July 1, 2025 • 14 mins
Sam LeCure joined us to discuss Chase Burns, tipping pitches, and the retirement of one of his former catchers.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:09):
What's up? Four h four ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm Moegar.
Thank you for listening today.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hopefully you're having like the most awesome Tuesday of all time.
Red's played the Red Sox tonight, trying to pounce back
after getting drilled.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
By the way.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
You know, when the Red score like thirteen runs, you
know we do that I should have saved some runs
for the next day, because it feels like invariably, even
though this is actually not so much the case, but
it does feel like every time they have a big
offensive night where they score like double digit runs, day
score like zero the next day. Hopefully that happens with
the Red Sox tonight we will find out. Chase Burns
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made his second big league start last night. It did
not go well. Did not get out of the first inning,
Matt McClain with a big error that did not help
his cause. Nonetheless, Chase was very hittable last night. Sam
Lekia is with us FANDUELS Sports Network. You'll watch him
tonight on the pregame show was was Chase Burns last night?
Sam tipping his pitches?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I can't say with certainty, and because I mean think
at the TV angle that we get, you know, from
the back, I mean you're really only able to tell
that probably, I mean, certainly from the batter's box.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
The on deck circles probably the best place.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
And then the the dugouts in Boston, I'm trying to think.
I feel like they're up the line a little bit,
so I don't know if there would be something there,
but you kind of have to see from the front.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
You have to see the whole glove. Now it's easy.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I feel like it's a talking point because it's kind
of easy to go that way because he just got
hit so hard after being so you know, unhittable his
first time out.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
But I mean those pitches are over the middle of
the plate.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
You know, their pitches in the middle that I don't
want to say should be driven, but you're not.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Surprised that they were. They just hit them all.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
I felt like that's got just to good chances of
being mad at it as tipping pitches.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
So to me, I guess the dots eye connect are
his second start. He's young, and he was being beaten
all over the place. Is being guilty of tipping pitches
something that typically happens for guys who have such little
professional experience like Chase Burns.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Well, it's probably more typical, yes, because there's not as
much of a.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
You know, there's not as much of a history of him.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
You don't have as much video of them that kind
of thing as they do at the major league level now,
which is why I don't want to say that it's
tipping pitches, because it's the first time they've seen him,
you know, it's the second time anybody in the big
leagues has seen him. And the stuff was still good.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
I mean, there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
But I mean it was a lot of middle pitches,
and I thought that in his first start he located
a lot better than he did his second time out.
I mean, he was throwing strikes his first time, but
he was throwing good strikes.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
This time.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
He was throwing strikes that were crap. You know, they're
right there, whether it's ninety two or ninety eight. I mean,
those pitches get hit in the big leagues an awful lot.
And then I know the red Sox lineup had been
quiet for a while. But you know, Satac says it
a lot this guy's do. You know those guys do,
and there is a lot of truth to being do
when you just kind of break out.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
We saw it with the Reds earlier this season.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
They would go four or five games and score a
total of four runs and then they put up twelve.
You know, it's kind of an evening out of the
process of baseball. I'm not saying it wasn't the pitch
tipping thing. Olex scores been known to be very good
at it, even without video that he's using in Houston,
He's been known to be very good at that, and
so it.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I mean, it still surprised me because it was all
in the first inning.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
It was all the first at bat these guys had
had against him, right, I'd be more curious to see
what it would have been like had they been swinging
at sliders that were well short, you know, obviously balls,
because then a lot of times if you're if a
guy's tipping pitches and you know what's coming, you have
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a tendency to want to swing at it because you
got it.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
You know, hey, he's throwing a fastball.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
He throws one at their eyes and they swing at
it because they were looking for a fastball and they
got one. Not a lot of guys have the discipline
to be within the strike zone. So if they knew
it was coming and it was in the middle of
the plate, then yeah, there's obviously a good chance of
what happened happened. But I don't want to go that
far just yet. They'll they'll do their homework because they'll
have the better video angles. I was pretty good at
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doing this too, at picking up pitches when I was
a starter, So I feel like I would have some
credibility if I if I thought I saw something, I
just didn't really have much of an angle at it.
They didn't go and show what might have been the
pitch tipping. It was just that it might have been
pitch tipping, and Cowboy would I think, would have picked
it up. But he's got the same angle we do.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah, what are what are some of the things a
pitcher will do if he's tipping.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
For the most part, it's going to be a glove
fla you know, so like you you know, if you
have to start with your glove in front of you,
you know, you're squared up to the plate and your
gloves in front of you. If you start digging for
your change up or have to kind of manipulate that grip,
your glove has a tendency to flare open because your
hand needs more room to move right.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
So all right, I'm going from the fastball.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Which is kind of this normal easy grip, and this
is my stock how my glove looks and everything, And
then you got to open your hand up to you know,
think about kind of palming a basketball, like you got
to open your hand up and it'll flare your glove
a little bit. So that's gonna be probably more your
differentiator between fastball and off speed. Now it might be
a breaking ball, it might be a change up, but
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you know it's going to be off speed due to that.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Some guys, if they have their finger out.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Of their glove, they'll flare just that one visible finger,
like kind of pop that fight you're pointing straight up
to the like pointing straight up to the sky, and
they'll pop that finger out for a similar pitch.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
You know, maybe it's apposite.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Maybe it's he flares it out on a fastball and
keeps it closed on breaking stuff. You know, so there's
little things. A guy named John Nunneley. He picked it
up off my breaed, he picked it up off my breathing.
I would exhale deep, like, you know, a real exhale
on a certain pitch. I don't even This was in
two thousand and seven or eight. I remember him telling
(06:22):
me this, that I would exhale deep, you know, hard
on a fastball and softly on my changeup.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Is that a conversation that that can happen and does
happen often before the hitters notice stuff, or maybe the
catcher will come out and say, look, you're doing this,
and so they know this sort of thing is coming well, you.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Know, I mean again, like you know, Tyler has only
seen him a time or two, and it's hard to
pick that up because there's so much other stuff that
the picture or that the catcher's focusing on that he's
not probably focused on that. That's probably more like your
hitting coach. I feel like you're hitting coach should kind
of be good because he's looking for any edge for
his pitchers or for his hitters. So he's watching the
(07:08):
opposing picture pretty intently, probably as intently as anybody. Now
this is some of the problem that I have with
all the iPads in the dugout. Guys are sitting in
there more watching their swings from twenty twenty three than
they are watching the guy on the mound, and that's
the only way you're gonna pick it up. So I
doubt it was a play if somebody if there was
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tipping and somebody picked it up, I doubt it was
a player. So it's got to be you know, like
I said, Alex scor is very good at it. Hitting coaches.
You know, you're kind of look you're looking for that.
I mean, anytime I was in the dugout, look, I
still look for it now if I get the.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
You know, the right angle for it. I'm always looking
for that stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Uh. Your overall impressions of Chase Burns through two starts
we've seen both are really really good, and then last
night the exact opposite.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah, I mean, I'm I think probably more because of
the character that he seems to have. You know, I
love the way he's answered questions from the media.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
If you saw the broadcast where.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Jim interviewed his parents, his parents are very impressive people
and kind of how they're talking is the way that
I want to hear it spoken about. You know, we've
instilled the you know, the characteristics in him through learning
and this and that, and now we're just trusting to
go out there and execute what we feel like we've
taught him, which are important, you know, human traits. And
(08:29):
I feel like he's done that. I feel like he
didn't get too over excited about his first outing, and
I don't feel like he's going to get overwhelmed by
this one.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I mean, I'm I'm.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I'm high on him more for the person that he
seems to be than the stuff, which is obviously very good.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
If I would like him, I mean, I think he's
gonna be really good.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Yeah, No, I mean, look, he was.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
He was fooling guys in that first those first two
winnings against the Yankees, and I wanted to see how
they would adjust, and they did and now and Tito
talked about this after the game last night. I'm interested
in Chase Burns next start, like, how do you adjust
against a really good Philly team? How do you adjust
and how do you come back from what we saw
last night?
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Well?
Speaker 4 (09:13):
And I think you just you do your diligence.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
You go and make sure you weren't tipping pitches, because
now the league's out. Now the Phillies are going to
go right to his video and they're going to try
to find whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
They'll just watch fastball.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
They'll watch fastballs over and over and over and over
and over, and then they'll watch breaking balls over and
over and over and over from the where they thought
they were sealing it, which I'm guessing was out of
the stretch, because he was out of the stretch the
whole game. So it's got to be something out of
the stretch right where he sets his hands as he
comes set with his hands high for a fastball and
a change up low, you know, something like that. So
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they're going to be looking for something out of the stretch.
So if you're the Reds, you do your diligence.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
And then if you're.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Chase Burns, if you've checked that box and like, no,
I wasn't, I just Lea was leaving pitches over the plate,
then you go work on commanding the ball better and you're.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
And that's it.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Because she's obviously been very good all year, one inning excluded,
you know, I mean, he dominated the minors. He was
very good in this first time out. So if he
checks the box that it wasn't tippy, I think, just
go about your business, man, because it's gonna be good.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
You just know now you need to.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Execute pretty damn good at the major league level or
else you're gonna get You're gonna get worked.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
I don't care how good your stuff is.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
All Right, two more real quick, because I know you
have to go to work. If I would have said
to you back in March that Andrew Abbott would represent
the Red's best chance to have a starting pitcher in
the All Star Game, you would have said what.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
I would have I would have thought, this is certainly
more than it would be.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Hunter.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Am I surprised at how good Andrew's been? I'd say, yeah,
a little bit. I mean I think you have to.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I mean, it's just because you don't see it as
much in this game with the lack of power stuff.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
And it is a power fastball.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I know it's ninety three to ninety five, but it's
a power fastball because of how he throws it right.
It's got that up shoot kind of thing on it,
and because he's got three other pitches that he goes
for strike. So he's executing them all for a long
period of time.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Is this like Andrew at his best?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yes, but it's been an extended period of time, So no,
I wouldn't have thought he was the Reds chance. I
thought Hunter was continuing to grow from last year and
was looking pretty awesome so far in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
So yeah, I'm a little surprised. I mean, am I
shocked that he's yeah to make the All Star team.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, it's very impressive, very happy for him, but yeah,
a little surprised.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah, he's been he's been awesome this year. One more,
one of my favorite players of recent history announced his
retirement last night, Tucker Barnhart. So you threw twenty big
league games with Tucker Barnhart behind the plate. What did
you like most about throwing to him?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
I like the way he kind of snatched the ball
at the end there. I mean, there were different.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Guys that some just kind.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Of received it, uh, and they were very still, which
I like that too. Tucker was a little bit in
between like a quirky and a handigan to me. He
was still, but he still kind of really worked that ball,
but not that quirky didn't and not that Hannigan overdid it,
but he was a nice mixture of both.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
I liked kind of the distinctness of how he gave
me signs. I don't know, there's just that was they
were pushing buttons.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
But yeah, you know he had to put if he
wanted the slidery, I had to see three fingers, so, uh,
you know, there was just there's a.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Way that guys set up and the way they kind
of look in their gear.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I don't know, there's always kind of visual sidelines that
you're trying to use as a picture for you know,
where am I gonna aim this curb? Well, I'm gonna
aiming off the top of his mask. Damn, Tucker's mask
looks good today. But you know, like I mean, stupid stuff, right,
But uh no, I was certainly very fortunate to to
throw to a lot of high quality catchers, and Tucker
was certainly one of them.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Many've always always been a Tucker fan.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Yeah, it's funny. I was.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I was looking at like the guys you threw to
you were lucky man mes Aaco hand again, Hernandez, I
mean like Brian Payana, Uh Tucker, like you you lucked
out man. They've had some good back there.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I'm the first. I'm the first to admit it. I'm
the first to admit it. Uh, but yeah, there's no
question about it. I enjoyed throwing to all those guys
for different reasons. Like I said, there was a different
look about how Quirky set up obviously versus hand again,
hand against back there moving around and kind of you know,
doing Calistens behind the plate. But everybody's working his ass off, right,
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you know, So you appreciated that.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
And then Mez had his way and Hernandez all of them.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
So yeah, I definitely, I definitely looked out on that end,
and I'm aware that that probably helped my career out
a fair bit.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
No question.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Can't thank you enough. I know we called you last minute.
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hopefully you're having like the most awesome Tuesday of all time.
Red's played the Red Sox tonight, trying to pounce back
after getting drilled.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
By the way.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
You know, when the Red score like thirteen runs, you
know we do that I should have saved some runs
for the next day, because it feels like invariably, even
though this is actually not so much the case, but
it does feel like every time they have a big
offensive night where they score like double digit runs, day
score like zero the next day. Hopefully that happens with
the Red Sox tonight we will find out. Chase Burns
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made his second big league start last night. It did
not go well. Did not get out of the first inning,
Matt McClain with a big error that did not help
his cause. Nonetheless, Chase was very hittable last night. Sam
Lekia is with us FANDUELS Sports Network. You'll watch him
tonight on the pregame show was was Chase Burns last night?
Sam tipping his pitches?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I can't say with certainty, and because I mean think
at the TV angle that we get, you know, from
the back, I mean you're really only able to tell
that probably, I mean, certainly from the batter's box.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
The on deck circles probably the best place.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
And then the the dugouts in Boston, I'm trying to think.
I feel like they're up the line a little bit,
so I don't know if there would be something there,
but you kind of have to see from the front.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
You have to see the whole glove. Now it's easy.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I feel like it's a talking point because it's kind
of easy to go that way because he just got
hit so hard after being so you know, unhittable his
first time out.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
But I mean those pitches are over the middle of
the plate.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
You know, their pitches in the middle that I don't
want to say should be driven, but you're not.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Surprised that they were. They just hit them all.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
I felt like that's got just to good chances of
being mad at it as tipping pitches.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
So to me, I guess the dots eye connect are
his second start. He's young, and he was being beaten
all over the place. Is being guilty of tipping pitches
something that typically happens for guys who have such little
professional experience like Chase Burns.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Well, it's probably more typical, yes, because there's not as
much of a.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
You know, there's not as much of a history of him.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
You don't have as much video of them that kind
of thing as they do at the major league level now,
which is why I don't want to say that it's
tipping pitches, because it's the first time they've seen him,
you know, it's the second time anybody in the big
leagues has seen him. And the stuff was still good.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
I mean, there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
But I mean it was a lot of middle pitches,
and I thought that in his first start he located
a lot better than he did his second time out.
I mean, he was throwing strikes his first time, but
he was throwing good strikes.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
This time.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
He was throwing strikes that were crap. You know, they're
right there, whether it's ninety two or ninety eight. I mean,
those pitches get hit in the big leagues an awful lot.
And then I know the red Sox lineup had been
quiet for a while. But you know, Satac says it
a lot this guy's do. You know those guys do,
and there is a lot of truth to being do
when you just kind of break out.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
We saw it with the Reds earlier this season.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
They would go four or five games and score a
total of four runs and then they put up twelve.
You know, it's kind of an evening out of the
process of baseball. I'm not saying it wasn't the pitch
tipping thing. Olex scores been known to be very good
at it, even without video that he's using in Houston,
He's been known to be very good at that, and
so it.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I mean, it still surprised me because it was all
in the first inning.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
It was all the first at bat these guys had
had against him, right, I'd be more curious to see
what it would have been like had they been swinging
at sliders that were well short, you know, obviously balls,
because then a lot of times if you're if a
guy's tipping pitches and you know what's coming, you have
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a tendency to want to swing at it because you
got it.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
You know, hey, he's throwing a fastball.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
He throws one at their eyes and they swing at
it because they were looking for a fastball and they
got one. Not a lot of guys have the discipline
to be within the strike zone. So if they knew
it was coming and it was in the middle of
the plate, then yeah, there's obviously a good chance of
what happened happened. But I don't want to go that
far just yet. They'll they'll do their homework because they'll
have the better video angles. I was pretty good at
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doing this too, at picking up pitches when I was
a starter, So I feel like I would have some
credibility if I if I thought I saw something, I
just didn't really have much of an angle at it.
They didn't go and show what might have been the
pitch tipping. It was just that it might have been
pitch tipping, and Cowboy would I think, would have picked
it up. But he's got the same angle we do.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah, what are what are some of the things a
pitcher will do if he's tipping.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
For the most part, it's going to be a glove
fla you know, so like you you know, if you
have to start with your glove in front of you,
you know, you're squared up to the plate and your
gloves in front of you. If you start digging for
your change up or have to kind of manipulate that grip,
your glove has a tendency to flare open because your
hand needs more room to move right.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
So all right, I'm going from the fastball.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Which is kind of this normal easy grip, and this
is my stock how my glove looks and everything, And
then you got to open your hand up to you know,
think about kind of palming a basketball, like you got
to open your hand up and it'll flare your glove
a little bit. So that's gonna be probably more your
differentiator between fastball and off speed. Now it might be
a breaking ball, it might be a change up, but
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you know it's going to be off speed due to that.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Some guys, if they have their finger out.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Of their glove, they'll flare just that one visible finger,
like kind of pop that fight you're pointing straight up
to the like pointing straight up to the sky, and
they'll pop that finger out for a similar pitch.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
You know, maybe it's apposite.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Maybe it's he flares it out on a fastball and
keeps it closed on breaking stuff. You know, so there's
little things. A guy named John Nunneley. He picked it
up off my breaed, he picked it up off my breathing.
I would exhale deep, like, you know, a real exhale
on a certain pitch. I don't even This was in
two thousand and seven or eight. I remember him telling
(06:22):
me this, that I would exhale deep, you know, hard
on a fastball and softly on my changeup.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Is that a conversation that that can happen and does
happen often before the hitters notice stuff, or maybe the
catcher will come out and say, look, you're doing this,
and so they know this sort of thing is coming well, you.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Know, I mean again, like you know, Tyler has only
seen him a time or two, and it's hard to
pick that up because there's so much other stuff that
the picture or that the catcher's focusing on that he's
not probably focused on that. That's probably more like your
hitting coach. I feel like you're hitting coach should kind
of be good because he's looking for any edge for
his pitchers or for his hitters. So he's watching the
(07:08):
opposing picture pretty intently, probably as intently as anybody. Now
this is some of the problem that I have with
all the iPads in the dugout. Guys are sitting in
there more watching their swings from twenty twenty three than
they are watching the guy on the mound, and that's
the only way you're gonna pick it up. So I
doubt it was a play if somebody if there was
(07:28):
tipping and somebody picked it up, I doubt it was
a player. So it's got to be you know, like
I said, Alex scor is very good at it. Hitting coaches.
You know, you're kind of look you're looking for that.
I mean, anytime I was in the dugout, look, I
still look for it now if I get the.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
You know, the right angle for it. I'm always looking
for that stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Uh. Your overall impressions of Chase Burns through two starts
we've seen both are really really good, and then last
night the exact opposite.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah, I mean, I'm I think probably more because of
the character that he seems to have. You know, I
love the way he's answered questions from the media.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
If you saw the broadcast where.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Jim interviewed his parents, his parents are very impressive people
and kind of how they're talking is the way that
I want to hear it spoken about. You know, we've
instilled the you know, the characteristics in him through learning
and this and that, and now we're just trusting to
go out there and execute what we feel like we've
taught him, which are important, you know, human traits. And
(08:29):
I feel like he's done that. I feel like he
didn't get too over excited about his first outing, and
I don't feel like he's going to get overwhelmed by
this one.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I mean, I'm I'm.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I'm high on him more for the person that he
seems to be than the stuff, which is obviously very good.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
If I would like him, I mean, I think he's
gonna be really good.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Yeah, No, I mean, look, he was.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
He was fooling guys in that first those first two
winnings against the Yankees, and I wanted to see how
they would adjust, and they did and now and Tito
talked about this after the game last night. I'm interested
in Chase Burns next start, like, how do you adjust
against a really good Philly team? How do you adjust
and how do you come back from what we saw
last night?
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Well?
Speaker 4 (09:13):
And I think you just you do your diligence.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
You go and make sure you weren't tipping pitches, because
now the league's out. Now the Phillies are going to
go right to his video and they're going to try
to find whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
They'll just watch fastball.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
They'll watch fastballs over and over and over and over
and over, and then they'll watch breaking balls over and
over and over and over from the where they thought
they were sealing it, which I'm guessing was out of
the stretch, because he was out of the stretch the
whole game. So it's got to be something out of
the stretch right where he sets his hands as he
comes set with his hands high for a fastball and
a change up low, you know, something like that. So
(09:48):
they're going to be looking for something out of the stretch.
So if you're the Reds, you do your diligence.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
And then if you're.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Chase Burns, if you've checked that box and like, no,
I wasn't, I just Lea was leaving pitches over the plate,
then you go work on commanding the ball better and you're.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
And that's it.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Because she's obviously been very good all year, one inning excluded,
you know, I mean, he dominated the minors. He was
very good in this first time out. So if he
checks the box that it wasn't tippy, I think, just
go about your business, man, because it's gonna be good.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
You just know now you need to.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Execute pretty damn good at the major league level or
else you're gonna get You're gonna get worked.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
I don't care how good your stuff is.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
All Right, two more real quick, because I know you
have to go to work. If I would have said
to you back in March that Andrew Abbott would represent
the Red's best chance to have a starting pitcher in
the All Star Game, you would have said what.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
I would have I would have thought, this is certainly
more than it would be.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Hunter.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Am I surprised at how good Andrew's been? I'd say, yeah,
a little bit. I mean I think you have to.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I mean, it's just because you don't see it as
much in this game with the lack of power stuff.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
And it is a power fastball.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I know it's ninety three to ninety five, but it's
a power fastball because of how he throws it right.
It's got that up shoot kind of thing on it,
and because he's got three other pitches that he goes
for strike. So he's executing them all for a long
period of time.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Is this like Andrew at his best?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yes, but it's been an extended period of time, So no,
I wouldn't have thought he was the Reds chance. I
thought Hunter was continuing to grow from last year and
was looking pretty awesome so far in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
So yeah, I'm a little surprised. I mean, am I
shocked that he's yeah to make the All Star team.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, it's very impressive, very happy for him, but yeah,
a little surprised.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah, he's been he's been awesome this year. One more,
one of my favorite players of recent history announced his
retirement last night, Tucker Barnhart. So you threw twenty big
league games with Tucker Barnhart behind the plate. What did
you like most about throwing to him?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
I like the way he kind of snatched the ball
at the end there. I mean, there were different.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Guys that some just kind.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Of received it, uh, and they were very still, which
I like that too. Tucker was a little bit in
between like a quirky and a handigan to me. He
was still, but he still kind of really worked that ball,
but not that quirky didn't and not that Hannigan overdid it,
but he was a nice mixture of both.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
I liked kind of the distinctness of how he gave
me signs. I don't know, there's just that was they
were pushing buttons.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
But yeah, you know he had to put if he
wanted the slidery, I had to see three fingers, so, uh,
you know, there was just there's a.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Way that guys set up and the way they kind
of look in their gear.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I don't know, there's always kind of visual sidelines that
you're trying to use as a picture for you know,
where am I gonna aim this curb? Well, I'm gonna
aiming off the top of his mask. Damn, Tucker's mask
looks good today. But you know, like I mean, stupid stuff, right,
But uh no, I was certainly very fortunate to to
throw to a lot of high quality catchers, and Tucker
was certainly one of them.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Many've always always been a Tucker fan.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Yeah, it's funny. I was.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I was looking at like the guys you threw to
you were lucky man mes Aaco hand again, Hernandez, I
mean like Brian Payana, Uh Tucker, like you you lucked
out man. They've had some good back there.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I'm the first. I'm the first to admit it. I'm
the first to admit it. Uh, but yeah, there's no
question about it. I enjoyed throwing to all those guys
for different reasons. Like I said, there was a different
look about how Quirky set up obviously versus hand again,
hand against back there moving around and kind of you know,
doing Calistens behind the plate. But everybody's working his ass off, right,
(13:36):
you know, So you appreciated that.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
And then Mez had his way and Hernandez all of them.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
So yeah, I definitely, I definitely looked out on that end,
and I'm aware that that probably helped my career out
a fair bit.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
No question.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Can't thank you enough. I know we called you last minute.
Have fun tonight, Thanks so much, all right, but that's
our guy, Sam. Look here, nobody better to talk pitching
with Fandel. Sports Network. Tonight's pregame show starts at six
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