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In just about thirty minutes. Sam Lekure is going to
join us at four h five to talk about Chase
Burns outing last night and discuss the issue of pitch tipping,
which has been discussed both during and in the aftermath
of last night's performance. Reds were clubbed by the Red
Sox last night thirteen to six. Boston scored seven times

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in the first inning. Chase Burns second Big League outing, Well,
it was disastrous. Tony just asked me, what do we
make of Chase Burns? What do we make of the
performance last night. We'll get to that first. The issue
of pitch tipping. I think this is the first place
that it came up. It was on the Red Sox
TV broadcast. And here as the Red Sox are just

(03:07):
circling the bases against Chase Burns putting up a touchdown
in the first inning en route to a thirteen to
six win, is when the topic of the Reds rookie
tipping his pitches was first broached here. It is last night.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
I guarantee you Frank Colin is going to have a
look in some video and trying to figure out what's
going on.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
Here in this end it because.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
It's hard to get hit as hard as this kid is.

Speaker 6 (03:31):
With some of the stuff that he has in this
first inning.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Could be he was tipping.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
Yeah, he had first pitch sliders off the wall, sliders
hitting four thirteen and change ups off the wall, top
of the wall. First pitch, Yeah, I'd say so tear
six nothing. This was Pride or William Brad who's at
bat Durant talking to Williard. Of course they're covering the mouths.

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Could be what it looks like. That could also be
this is what he's doing when he's throwing this and that,
because that line right there, there's a lot of heart contact.

Speaker 7 (04:10):
Yikes.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
All right, that's NYSN last night on the Red Sox
TV broadcast speculating about Chase Burns tipping his pitches. I'm
not at all qualified to talk about whether or not
he was. Let's get this part out of the way.
The inning may have unfolded differently. If Matt McClain didn't
make that throwing air, I don't believe, and I could
be dead wrong about this. We'll never know. I don't

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believe that if that throw is made, that the Reds
get two out of it. But the complexion of the
inning certainly stood a very good chance to change if
they get an out instead of putting run around the corners.
Before the parade of hard hit balls began from Chase Burns.
Tito Francona after the game last night, I talked about

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want to see his next start. I want to see
what happens against the Phillies. And by the way, you
talk about the the hardest landing of all time for
a guy making his big league debut, packed house against
the New York Yankees and Aaron Judge, and while the
you know, the Yankees called up to him the second
time around the batting order. I think most of us
would view Chase Burns' big league debut as a successful one.

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So you get that. Then he pitches at Fenway Park
now this weekend, He's gonna pitch against a terrific Philadelphia
Philly Philadelphia Phillies lineup. Sometimes the answer to a question
isn't known until well after the question is asked. It's
we do this in sports all the time. Like the
twenty twenty three red season. We were asked often, maybe

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you asked it of yourself or to other people, was
this season of success? And my answer two years ago was, well,
ask me in a couple of years, because if if
that proves to be a jumping off point to something
bigger and better, then we're gonna look at twenty twenty
three with a lot of fondness. If that proves to
be the high point of the next couple of seasons,
we're going to look back at twenty twenty three is

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just another year. Same thing for Chase Burns last night.
Was it just a bump in the road and inevitable
pounding at the hands of a good lineup and a
tough place to pitch, the sort of thing that comes
as you're making your first few big league starts. I
don't know. Let's see how he does moving forward, and
Chase Burns is not going to be judged ultimately. Chase

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Burns and whether or not he was the guy to
take with the second overall pick, which, by the way,
if you recall a lot of folks said the Reds
kind of reached last year because he was a guy
that was mocked to go eight or nine, not as often.
Number two Chase Burns and his time is a Red
is going to be more judged on next year and

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the year after that and the year after that than
it is this season. This is his first professional baseball season.
This guy was still in college a year ago at
this time, and so I'm curious more than anything else.
Let's see how he throws against Philly, and let's see
how he throws in his next start after that, and
let's see how he performs in whatever role he's asked

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to perform in as the second half unfolds. If what
we saw last night is mirrored in the next start
against the Philadelphia Phillies, well could be a little bit
of a problem, not so much for Chase Burns' big
league career, but for this team. Because I think here,

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to me is the bigger question. Like we could discuss
Chase Burns tipping his pitches last night, I'm gonna I'm
gonna believe that he wasn't because I'm just not I'm
not convinced there has been enough of a sample size
to determine what he does when he throws, which pitch
could be dead wrong about that. We'll see again. Sam

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la Caire is gonna talk with us about that coming
up at four h five. But let's say last night
gets repeated and his next start is maybe not quite
as bad, but not good. And let's say, just for
the sake of argument, that over the next two or
three starts, it's kind of clear he's not ready, and

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it's worth mentioning when the Reds called up Chase Burns
as excited as we all were, and god knows I
was excited. I think we all were right. That wasn't
That wasn't a part of the organization's best laid plans.
Like the best laid plans were, Hunter Green was never

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going to get hurt, and Ret Louder would be available
by now, and Wade Miley would be healthy and the
Reds would have some options. Well, unfortunately, none of those
things happened, and the Reds had to default to the
emergency option, and the emergency option was Chase Burns. What

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happens if the emergency option doesn't work? Now, the good
news is Hunter Green seems to be making progress, throwing
off a mound inching toward making a rehab starter or two,
and it looks like there's a very good chance that
he could come back and join this team after the
All Star break, and this team could desperately use him,

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because we all know how good Hunter Green can be
when he's healthy, but he struggles with staying healthy. He
has not yet gotten through a full big league season
completely healthy. And so you know, let's be honest, as
much as we all love Hunter Green, every time the
guy goes into his motion for a while, we're gonna

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be wondering, Okay, what's next? Is he okay? Is the
armor right? The groin all right? Is he okay? Like,
we're gonna be. You can't help but do this. We're
gonna be. We're gonna be waiting for the next injury issue.
Hopefully that weight doesn't doesn't yield worst case news, but
there's there's been a lack of pitching depth, right, So

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Hunter Green's injury, he comes back, and then ideally it's
Hunter Green, and it's should be All Star Andrew Abbott,
and it's reliable middle of the rotation guy Niic Lodolo,
and it's Brady Singer and it's Nick Martinez, and then
you could figure out where Chase Burns works in the
mix and how well he does Between now and Hunter

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coming back is going to go a long way, I guess,
toward determining what his role is going to be. But
if Chase Burns isn't ready and the Reds have another
issue in their starting rotation, then what Maybe that issue
is another Hunter Green injury. Maybe that issue is another
injury to another pitcher. Maybe that issue is one pitcher's

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performance falls off a cliff starting pitching depth and lack
thereof because of injury and because of a few other factors.
That's why Chase Burns was given a chance to begin with.
And so you know, maybe he was not tipping his
pitches last night and it was a rough night and
he learned from it. Maybe he was tipping his pitches

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and he learns from it and he doesn't tip his
pitches anymore. Maybe the guy is simply not yet ready.
I don't know. I'm gonna be willing to bet the
Reds don't know. But we all acknowledged that Chase Burns
was the better of all the possible options when they
called him up. What if Chase Burns was called up
a little bit too early. What if he's not quite

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yet ready to meet the moment? And by the way,
there's a long list of players, a long list of
pitchers who when they have first been called up, they're
not ready, and they still go on to have excellent careers,
they still go on to help teams win. But we're
talking about twenty twenty five, the Reds getting to the
postseason this year, playing relevant, meaningful baseball in September, having

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a chance to break through and play in October and
play in the postseason and win in the postseason for
the first time in thirty years. Can they do that?
With Chase Burns getting the ball at least for now
every fifth day, can they do that if he's not
yet ready? And the Reds deal with another test of
their starting pitching depth five point three, seven, four, nine,

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fifteen thirty. And I guess along this along with these lines,
would be this question. You know, we we've been talking
about the trade deadline since before the season started. What
can they do? What are they gonna need, who are
they gonna be willing to trade, who's untouchable, what's the
market gonna look like? And by the way, we still
may not know the answers to some of those questions.
Right now. The Reds appear to be buyers, but it's

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July first, not July thirty first, So how they play
over the coming month is gonna uh greatly determine what
the answers to those questions are. But we've talked about
what the Reds need in the field. Look, man, they
could use a guy who could hit playing first base.
Cees may do that one day, he ain't doing it now.

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Based on how good Noelve Marte does when he comes back,
and he, by the way, has just been transferred to
Louisville on his rear have assignment, you could argue they
may need a third baseman. And god knows, we've been
talking about the need for outfield help all season long.
This plan to have Jake Fraley play through a labram
tear strikes me as a tenuous one. Austin Hayes still

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carries the reputation of always being hurt because he's always hurt.
So we've talked a lot about what the Reds need
positionally and how they could boost their offense, and every
team in contention could use bullpen help, and we've sort
of set aside, like the Reds starting pitching is fine,
which for the most part, it's been an asset this year,

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and they've got enough internal options and they're gonna be okay.
And maybe Chase Burns pitches well enough moving forward that
he's the sixth starter, or he's the fifth starter if
a guy gets hurt, or he's moved to the bullpen.
But if we decide he's not ready yet, and if
there's another issue in the bullpen or I'm sorry, another

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issue with the starting staff, are we really ready to
dismiss the idea of the Reds acquiring starting pitching help
at the deadline. Our numbers, as always are five point
three seven four nine fifteen thirty and eight sixty six
seven h two three seven seven six. Chase Burns was

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brought to the big leagues, promoted because the Reds had
a need. He was promoted because he had obviously checked
every box at Dayton, at Chattanooga, and at Louisville. He wasn't,
you know, given a chance in spite of a bunch
of shaky performances at the minor league level. But if
what we saw last night ends up being something that

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gets repeated and ends up giving us a glimpse into
a guy who may have a very bright future but
isn't quite ready. Then what then what when? I'll say
when and not if the starting pitching depth gets tested
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Rob Dibble, Nasty boy former Red is now a sports
talk radio host in Hartford, and I guess he was
at the ballpark last night at Fenway watching Reds and
Red Sox was on since he three p sixty today
where he was asked about Chase Burns tipping pitches.

Speaker 9 (17:51):
I mean, this is what I teach with my guys.
It's how you go into your glove to hold a
breaking ball. You could come into the side to grab
a curveball behind it to grab your fastball. I couldn't.
I wasn't close enough to see that. I'd have to
look at the video. You know. He could have had
his leg coming up higher on a fastball and lower
on a breaking ball. You know, those are things I

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really wasn't paying attention to because it happened so quick,
and trust was like and the fans in front of
me were going crazy, and it was.

Speaker 7 (18:19):
It was it was insane.

Speaker 9 (18:20):
But you know, those are things you got to look at.
I mean, those are things you got to think about
every day you take the mound. I'll give you an example,
Randy Randy Johnson when he was getting hit and I
played against him when he was with the Expos and
in the minor leagues, and he could throw a strike
and it was all about where he was landing and
confidence and et cetera. But then he got to a
point where he was holding his fastball up by his

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face and his breaking ball was down by his waist.
So just little things like that. And you see the hitters.
There's video of the hitters today going back and talking
to each other's. That's what baseball is. I called them
like little ants, and their antennae go up and it's like,
hey he's doing this, Hey he's doing that, And they're
going to relay that information quickly to where if you're

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not in real time making adjustments and Listen, you know
it happened so quickly. He's probably so amped he wants
to throw it by. And even I think it was
Phillips that gave up the Grand Slam at the end.

Speaker 5 (19:14):
I can't throw in ninety nine.

Speaker 9 (19:16):
Yeah, and listen to people are like, well, you know
he was. Listen, is everybody tipping the pitches? No, they're
that good. The Red Sox had a great day. I
wouldn't overanalyze it, but I would check in on where
am I going into my glove? Where's my glove in
the stretch, because he was in the stretch a couple
of times when he gave up big hits. But listen,
the Red Sox pounded on pretty much everybody that came

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out of the bullpen. That was one of those nights. Honestly,
you'd hide at the end of the dugout or in
the bullpen and say, please don't call my number. You know,
I don't want to come in here tonight. And I've
been on the other end with the reds We destroyed
the Astros one time. I think we put fourteen up
on him in the first inning, and so it's very
plausible the Red Sox had great prep on this kid.

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They all watched their video and they were ready for
one hundred mile an hour fastball, and they just got
the better of them.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
That's a Rob Dibble good conversation. Here the rest of
it on the iHeartRadio app Tony Pike, Austin Elmore with Dibbs.
Earlier today, Sam lequerr is going to join us as
well to talk about the pitch tipping issue, which I
those are the small parts of the game that I
think are fascinating that sometimes often don't get played out
in public view. For me, and I'm less qualified to

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talk about pitch tipping than Rob Dibble. Those pitches that
Sam Burns Sam Burns was throwing last night, those pitches
that he was throwing last night looked fat and hitable,
regardless of who was throwing them. I said that incorrectly.

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Those pitches that he was throwing last night looked fat
and hittable, regardless of whether or not the hitters knew
what Chase Burns was throwing. Those pitches were out over
the plate and they were high. I mean, this is
not the best comparison hitters used to know. Mariano Rivera

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is throwing a cutter that didn't mean they could hit it.
So it's one thing to know what's coming, it's something
else to be able to hit it. What Chase Burns
was throwing last night looked very hittable, even before you
even tapped into the idea of them possibly being tipped
off to the pitches. So I think it was as

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much about pitch execution uh as as it was, you know,
subtly letting the Red Sox know what was coming. I
called him Sam Burns. I know a guy named Sam Burns.
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Mister five from four. This is ESPN fifteen thirty on Moweger.
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So I saw this last week and I wanted to
get him on, and he was kind enough to join us.
He has launched a new substack and new newsletter, Trapshet,

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which appropriately named because his name is Chris Trepasso, CBS Sports,
NFL young player and draft analyst, and so this kind
of went viral here last week. It's the NFL Long
Game Index, ranking every team's future outlook. It's a good
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the Bengals number one. Now we're not going to give
away all of his content, but he's got the Bengals.
The Bengals ranked number one, and so you know, we're
always looking for people who have a somewhat optimistic view
of the team, so Chris does and kind enough to
join this this afternoon. It's good to have you, sir.

Speaker 5 (23:51):
How are you, Hey, Mo, thanks for having me. I'm
doing great.

Speaker 11 (23:55):
Thank you for the plug on my new substack, Trapshet.

Speaker 5 (23:58):
And yeah, let's talk.

Speaker 11 (23:59):
About the banks because in taking like a little bit
over a week to formulate these rankings, and I did
them with multiple layers, and we can get into that,
the Bengals did come out at number one, and I
don't think that was outlandish.

Speaker 5 (24:13):
I didn't get any.

Speaker 11 (24:14):
Pushback from Ravens or Steelers fans out there, so uh, yeah,
it was pretty much widely believed to be. Yeah, that
makes a lot of sense to if we're looking at
future power rankings over the next two or three years,
that the Bengals actually come out on top.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
So you apply your own little formula here, and part
of the formula is cap affordability, salaries, and headroom. And
where I was imagining you would get some pushback would
be in that particular regard, because I think there's a
lot of people who look at the Bengals the money
tied up into basically three players and go, well, they
can't have that much flexibility, And yet you don't view

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it that way.

Speaker 11 (24:52):
Yeah, So what I did for that component of the
long game index is that I just added up the
cap space some twenty twenty five and twenty twenty six.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
Now, if I'm looking ahead two or three years, you could.

Speaker 11 (25:04):
Say, why didn't you do twenty twenty seven, But so
many contracts change over a two year period in the NFL,
So I only looked at those two years, and that
is exactly what that component is. So the Bengals actually
have the fifth most cap space in the entire NFL
twenty twenty five and twenty twenty six. And I wrote
in the last paragraph, like or in the second to

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last paragraph, we don't know, like does Mike Brown have
this team operating like under its own lower cap? I mean,
that's kind of been the rumor. You guys might have
more inside or insight to that than I do. However,
I think even though the Trey Hendrickson situation is still
looming over this organization right now, you know, less than

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a month away from training camp, we went into the
offseason thinking, oh man, are they going to be able
to keep both receivers?

Speaker 5 (25:52):
What's gonna have on with see Higgins? And they've done that.
They paid Joe Burrow.

Speaker 11 (25:56):
So there was a thought from some maybe doomsday Bengals
fans and angles media members that I know, like, hey,
they might not let you know either of these wide
receivers come back. Are they going to pay Joe Burrow?
They've done all that, so I think at this point, yes,
they do have, like you mentioned, so much money tied
up in that Big three, but it is and I
also wrote this, and we.

Speaker 5 (26:16):
Can get to that in a minute.

Speaker 11 (26:18):
I wrote that it is the best triplet in the
entire NFL, and we don't have to have it. The quarterback,
running back, wide receiver, quarterback, receiver, receiver in the passing
renaissance that we're in, I think matters more than anything else.
And the Bengals obviously rank very high in that too.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Well and throw into it because I know you're a
fan Chase Brown, and like, we're going to get closer
and closer to like fantasy drafts, and I know this
is not really a relevant part of the conversation. Chase
Brown is going to be a fantasy darling and he
should be because of what he did last year.

Speaker 5 (26:48):
Yeah. Absolutely. So.

Speaker 11 (26:49):
My second component is called flex and it stands for
a future lineup and expectations. So I tried to rank
all thirty two teams by what I'm calling blue chip
players that's part of that flex component, and that I
have for the Bengals that they have five blue chip
players Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase T.

Speaker 5 (27:09):
Higgins.

Speaker 11 (27:09):
Obviously I put Logan Wilson in there. I think he's
still one of the top ten linebackers at his position,
and Chase Brown.

Speaker 5 (27:15):
And I did this because it's future.

Speaker 11 (27:17):
Power rankings, the long Game Index. I didn't include any
quarterbacks who were over thirty three years old, any skill
position players who were over thirty years old, and any
running backs who are over twenty seven years old. So
that does kind of change things a little bit because
there are some still, you know, quality players that are
now into their thirties, but if we're looking way into

(27:37):
the future, you know it might not be there. And
I'm segueing that because Chase Brown still on that rookie contract,
still very young, you are to me spot on with
how good and how efficient he was in terms of
forcing this tackles, the yards after contact, and probably his
specialty was that juice, that ability to hit those long runs.

(27:58):
I already put him in that blue chip player category
and came out to the Bengals finishing ninth in Flex.
So their fifth in CAP, ninth in flex, gives them
a pretty well rounded start to this long game index.
By having a fair amount of money and then just
having a good lineup. I think those are two, you know,

(28:18):
core elements to any team being really good in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
So I let's go this route too. They've got to
fix their defense. That goes without saying, and we can
discuss to what degree they have obviously a new defensive coordinator,
maybe Schamar Stewart will finally play for him this year,
Trey Hendrickson, We'll see what happens with him. But they
there's still a lot of uncertainty, and so what would
you say to someone who says, look, they they may
be poised to contend, but number one's a bit ambitious

(28:44):
because of all the uncertainty they have on the defensive
side of the ball.

Speaker 11 (28:48):
Well, yeah, I mean, we saw it last year that
Joe Burrow truly had an MVP caliber season, but it
like got overlooked or he couldn't win MVP because the
Bengals didn't make the playoffs because the defense left them
down so often.

Speaker 5 (29:01):
Now, I will say there were a lot of those.

Speaker 11 (29:03):
Tight games that they lost, and in general, teams don't
just have a poor record in one court in one
score games back to back seasons. There were like some
field goals, miss things like that that I'm not going
to bank on them ultimately doing. And for as much
as I think in the playoffs and in the Super Bowl,
defense can I don't know if it wins championships, but

(29:25):
it is probably more integral than we like to think.

Speaker 5 (29:28):
In the regular season.

Speaker 11 (29:29):
We've seen it, and you guys have certainly seen it firsthand.
You've had a front row seat. You can win games
thirty four to thirty one and thirty five to twenty eight.
And I wrote in this article that the Bengals offense,
regardless of how good or how bad the defense is,
can battle with any team in football offensively and against

(29:50):
any defense. They can face any elite level defense, a
top ten defense, and put up thirty points. So I
think I'm expecting a little bit of a regression.

Speaker 5 (29:59):
Po positively for the Bengals defense.

Speaker 11 (30:02):
Miles Murphy should be able to play a little bit better,
Joseph Osai a year older, some of those young pieces
in the secondary, DJ Turner, Jordan Battle, guys like that,
Dexton Hill.

Speaker 5 (30:12):
I'm not expecting.

Speaker 11 (30:14):
This group to be as porous as it was last season.
And this is a team in the Bengals. I don't
think they need to have, you know, that super Bowl
caliber defense that they had in twenty twenty one. They
just need to be not almost historically bad like they
were last season to just get in the playoffs. And
if that's the case, they win nine, ten eleven games

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they get in. No team will want to see Cincinnati
because again not because of the defense, but because of
Burrow Higgins and Chase.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Sign Up Trapsheet a terrific newly launched newsletter. Chris Trapasso,
Here's why I was surprised, because I saw this sent
out there.

Speaker 5 (30:50):
I was surprised too. I was surprised too when I
formulated this.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
I'll say that it's been so from you specifically. Here's
why I was surprised because we read this on the
air and it's a fair grade. But you gave the
Bengals draft class to see, and so I think for
a lot of folks just thinking long term, like that
kind of draft grade doesn't mesh with long term success.

Speaker 11 (31:10):
No, I mean, and that's totally true. Like they I
didn't factor in. I mean, I the Travis Hunter is
the Ashton Gent, the Abdual Carters.

Speaker 5 (31:19):
I kind of factor those in a little.

Speaker 11 (31:21):
But I wanted this because it's in the present looking forward.
I didn't want to like make put too much of
an emphasis on rookies that we haven't seen yet. That yes,
I do a lot of work with the draft. I
know evaluate three hundred plus guys didn't love what they
did in the draft.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
But I still think the last couple of draft.

Speaker 11 (31:42):
Classes, although the Bengals have not gotten those huge contributions
yet from a lot of those players really outside of
Chase Brown, I still like the young core. Maybe not
the rookie class, but the guys in year two and
year three that are still cheap, that are still under
twenty five or twenty six years old. And again, Joe
Burrow is not thirty five. Ke Higgins is not old.

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Jamar Chase is entering the prime of his career. The
last component is a quarterback component, and I have the
Bengals ranked force in terms of just how good Joe
Burrow is relative.

Speaker 5 (32:13):
To his money.

Speaker 11 (32:14):
That he's under a fifty million dollar cappet this year
and next.

Speaker 5 (32:18):
Year, which I think we tend to believe.

Speaker 11 (32:21):
Oh hey, once you're on that second contract at quarterback,
you're exorbitantly expensive. Your team's totally you know, strapped financially.
To get Joe Burrow with a cappet under fifty million
in today's NFL is one of the better bargains in
the entire league.

Speaker 5 (32:36):
So even if the rookie class doesn't come to fruition.

Speaker 11 (32:40):
In year one, I think there's with Burrow and enough
younger pieces, along with the star receivers and Chase Brown,
enough for this team to go far into the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
You ranked the Browns thirty first. Have you gotten a
lot of pushback from Cleveland fans?

Speaker 11 (32:54):
I have not, And I think in general, I mean
talk about a strange draft, like I did not understand
what Cleveland did whatsoever.

Speaker 5 (33:04):
As someone that likes to lean into the numbers.

Speaker 11 (33:06):
Obviously, and Andrew Berry their GM, you know, Ivy League
guy that apparently is big on the analytics of the game.
They trade out from number two. They pass on Travis Hunter.
I understood that because the team's roster so far away,
but then to draft a running back early in round two,
and then Dylan Gabriel, who has a very weak arm,

(33:29):
does not have mobility in round three, and then Sanders
in round five. It was one of the weirdest draft
philosophies that I've seen a team make in general. And
if we're looking at long term, I think Miles Garrett
can still be a really good player, and he just
missed the cut for this article to be considered a
blue chip player, which he obviously still is. But beyond him,

(33:53):
there's not a lot of needle movers on that roster.
Jerry Judy, maybe Mason Graham, the rookie plays really well.

Speaker 5 (33:59):
The offensive line isn't quite as good.

Speaker 11 (34:01):
So I thought that I could get some pushback because
I know Browns fans are passionate and everything that's been
sold to them over the last few years of Hey,
they're pushing for the future, but then they extend Miles Garrett.
I really didn't hear much on Twitter from Browns fans
with that ranking.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
I enjoyed this because, as you know, Chris, it's list
season for people who covered the NFL, and many of
them are mind numbing, some are really good. Very few
apply a formula you did. And it's even more fun
here when the Bengals rank high. I appreciate you doing this.
Best of luck with the newsletter. Hopefully we can do
it again.

Speaker 5 (34:36):
Well, thanks LTD. I appreciate that anytime.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Anytime you got it. Thank you. Chris Trapasso read and
subscribe to Trapsheet, which is Chris does a very good
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Speaker 6 (34:53):
That was good.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
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(35:17):
for Cincinnati Fridols and center. McLean's at second, Ellie's at short,
Hayes's dhing, Gavin Lux in left field, Spencer Steer at
first base, Jose Travino is catching Will Benson in right field,
Cees playing third base tonight and batting ninth. Reds have
made a couple of transactions. They have picked up from

(35:39):
Louisville the contract of right handed pitcher sam Ben Scooter
Sam Ben Scooter. They have called up Sam Mall from
tripa A Louisville, and they have optioned Joe Lesursa and
Connor Phillips. And Noel Marte has been transferred to Louisville
to continue his rehab assignment. Also tonight, Florence on the

(36:02):
road again. Schomberg, Sam Lucier on tipping pitches. Six words
I don't often say. Next on ESPN fifteen.

Speaker 10 (36:12):
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Speaker 2 (36:50):
Mistery bordbek So. Lee Malan is filling in Jennifer catch
Mark on her Facebook page. Her and her husband are
touring bourbon distilleries, which like to be doing right now.
I'm jealous of Jennifer Ketchmark or the bourbon distilleries.

Speaker 6 (37:06):
I hear tour.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
I've heard touring the bourbon her and her husband touring
bourbon distilleries. That sounds like something would be be a
lot of fun to do, whether it's with Jennifer or her
husband or just me by myself. I'd like to be
doing that right now. Not that I'm not enjoying this broadcast.
I could broadcast from a bourbon distillery. That'd be fun.
I do that on whiskey row. We'll do the Bourbon Trail.

(37:27):
We'll broadcast from one to day, see if we can
get that done. So Lee Mawen is doing our weather,
Lee Taron. How old is Lee Mawen. I'm not sure
Lee's like forty thirty. He's not older than me. Correct? Correct? Right?
Lee is the first person under the age of seventy
five who I've ever heard, I've ever heard referred to

(37:49):
the third meal of the day as supper. Nobody under
the age of seventy five except for Lee mao. And
he just said, like the weather is going to change
by supper time or something. Nobody under the age of
seventy five refers to it as supper. I've never heard that.
I mean, I've heard the word God Rest her soul.

(38:09):
My grandmother would refer to it as supper, or my
late grandfather would refer to it. Lee mallin dropping a supper. Honest,
I'm gonna guess Lee is between like thirty and forty
with fair estimate, very fair, very fair, between thirty and forty.
And I'm not criticizing. I like it. It was refreshing, It
brought back memories. I've not heard anybody refer to the

(38:30):
third meal as supper since I was a kid. I mean, like, okay,
that's a bit of an exaggeration, but my guy Lee
supper not getting that from Jennifer Catchmark. You ever gone
on a bourbon tour? Tarren give you samples at the end? Baby?
Oh yeah, all right, so is Lee and for Jennifer
all week as Jennifer just tour in the bluegrass drinking bourbon. Yes,

(38:54):
you know, she could do weather forecasts from the bourbon distillery.
That'd be fun.

Speaker 5 (39:00):
After a few.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
So the Cleveland Browns, I guess, are getting their suburban stadium.
They're going to be moving. I guess the land has
been cleared for them to move to brook Park, which
is a suburb of Cleveland, like fifteen minutes or so
outside the city. Mike DeWine, who's the governor, has signed
a new budget into law that gives the Browns six

(39:25):
hundred million dollars in state money for a new stadium.
I could not care less about this because I'm not
a Browns fan and I don't live in Cleveland, nor
do I live in brook Park. But they're getting a
stadium that has it's not so much a dome as
much as it's an indoor stadium. And my understanding, and

(39:45):
I don't think I'm wrong about this, is the roof
will not retract. It'll not be a retractable roof. Here
are six words I rarely say. I wish we were
like Cleveland now, not entirely because I would never want
the best to move from downtown the Browns. I guess
you're going to be moving from downtown Cleveland. I don't
like that. I love the idea of downtown as the

(40:08):
central hub for everybody to go to and the sports
stadium's being there, and I don't want a roof that
doesn't open, but a roof on the stadium that could
be used when it's really really, really really cold out.
Sign me up. A roof that allows for more events.
Sign me up. Sign me up to talk with Sam Lequier.
He joins us. Next on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2 (40:41):
What's up? Four h for ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm olegar,
Thank you for listening today. Hopefully you're having like the
most awesome Tuesday of all time. Red's played via Red
Sox tonight, trying to pounce back after getting drilled.

Speaker 5 (40:56):
By the way.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
You know, when the Red score like thirteen runs, you know,
we do that to save some runs for the next
day because it feels like invariably, even though this is
actually not so much the case, but it does feel
like every time they have a big offensive night withe
they score like double digit runs, they score like zero
the next day. Hopefully that happens with the Red Sox
tonight we will find out. Chase Burns made his second

(41:19):
big league start last night. It did not go well,
did not get out of the first hitting Matt McClain
with a big error that did not help his cause. Nonetheless,
Chase was very hittable last night. Sam Lequiraz with this
FanDuel Sports Network, you'll watch them tonight on the pregame show.
Was was Chase Burns last night? Sam? Tipping his pitcheons?

Speaker 13 (41:39):
I can't say with certainty, and because I mean think
at the TV angle that we get, you know, from
the back, I mean you're really only able to tell
that probably, I mean, certainly from the batter's box, the
on deck circles probably the best place, and then the
the dugouts in Boston.

Speaker 6 (41:58):
I'm trying to think.

Speaker 13 (41:59):
I feel like that up the line a little bit,
so I don't know if there would be something there,
but you kind of have to see from the front.

Speaker 6 (42:04):
You have to see the whole glove. Now it's easy.

Speaker 13 (42:09):
I feel like it's a talking point because it's kind
of easy to go that way because he just got
hit so hard after being so you know, unhittable his
first time out.

Speaker 6 (42:18):
But I mean, those pitches are over the middle of
the plate.

Speaker 13 (42:21):
You know, their pitches in the middle that I don't
want to say should be driven, but you're not surprised
that they were.

Speaker 6 (42:29):
They just hit them all. I felt like it.

Speaker 13 (42:32):
It's got just to good chances of being mad at
it as tipping pitches.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
So to me, I guess the dots eye connect are
his second start. He's young, and he was being beaten
all over the place. Is is being guilty of tipping
pitches something that typically happens for guys who have such
little professional experience like Chase Burns.

Speaker 13 (42:53):
Well, it's probably more typical, yes, because there's not as
much of a you know, there's not as much of
a history of them. You don't have as much video
of them that kind of thing as they do at
the major league level now, which is why I don't
want to say that it's tipping pitches because it's the
first time they've seen him, you know, it's the second

(43:13):
time anybody in the big leagues has seen him.

Speaker 6 (43:16):
And this stuff was still good. I mean, there's no
doubt about it.

Speaker 13 (43:20):
But I mean it was a lot of middle pitches,
and I thought that in his first start he located
a lot better.

Speaker 6 (43:25):
Than he did his second time out.

Speaker 13 (43:27):
I mean, he was throwing strikes his first time, but
he was throwing good strikes this time. He was throwing
strikes that were crap. You know, they're right there, whether
it's ninety two or ninety eight. I mean, those pitches
get hit in the big leagues an awful lot. And
then I know the Red Sox lineup had been quiet
for a while, but you know, Sadak says.

Speaker 6 (43:43):
It a lot, this guy's do.

Speaker 13 (43:45):
You know, these guys do, and there is a lot
of truth to being do when you just kind of
break out.

Speaker 6 (43:49):
We saw it with the reds earlier this season.

Speaker 13 (43:51):
They'd go four or five games and score a total
of four runs, and then they put up twelve.

Speaker 6 (43:56):
You know, it's kind of an evening out of the
process in baseball. I'm not saying it wasn't. The pitch
tipping thing.

Speaker 13 (44:02):
Alex Scor has been known to be very good at it,
even without video that he's using in Houston, He's been
known to be very good at that, and so it.

Speaker 6 (44:13):
I mean, it still surprised me because it was all
in the first inning.

Speaker 13 (44:16):
It was all the first at bat these guys had
had against him, right, I'd be more curious to see
what it would have been like had they been swinging
at sliders that were well short, you know, obviously balls,
because then a lot of times if you're if a
guy's tipping pitches and you know what's coming, you have

(44:36):
a tendency to want to swing at it because you
got it.

Speaker 6 (44:38):
You know, Hey, he's throwing a fastball.

Speaker 13 (44:40):
He throws one at their eyes and they swing at
it because they were looking for a fastball and they
got one. Not a lot of guys had the discipline
to be within the strike zone. So if they knew
it was coming and it was in the middle of
the plate. Then yeah, there's obviously a good chance of
what happened happened, But I don't want to go that
far just yet. They'll they'll do their homework, they'll have
the better video angles. I was pretty good at doing

(45:04):
this too, at picking up pitches when I was a starter,
So I feel like I would have some credibility if
I if I thought I saw something, I just didn't
really have much of an angle at it. They didn't
go and show what might have been the pitch tipping.
It was just that it might have been pitch tipping,
and Cowboy would I think, would have picked it up.
But he's got the same angle we do.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
What are what are some of the things a pitcher
will do if he's tipping.

Speaker 13 (45:27):
For the most part, it's going to be a glove flare,
you know, So like you, you know, if you have
to start with your glove in front of you, you
know you're squared up to the plate and your gloves
in front of you. If you start digging for your
change up or have to kind of manipulate that grip,
your glove has a tendency to flare open because your
hand needs more room to move right. So all right,

(45:49):
I'm going from the fastball, which is kind of this
normal easy grip and this is my stock.

Speaker 6 (45:53):
How my glove looks and everything.

Speaker 13 (45:55):
And then you got to open your hand up to
you know, think about kind of palming a basketball, like
you got to open your hand up and it'll flare
your glove a little bit. So that's gonna be probably
more your differentiator between fastball and off speed. Now it
might be a breaking ball, it might be a change up,
but you know it's gonna be off speed due to that.

Speaker 6 (46:14):
Some guys, if they have their finger out.

Speaker 13 (46:16):
Of their glove, they'll flare just that one visible finger,
like kind of pop that flight you're pointing straight up
to the like pointing straight up to the sky. Uh,
and they'll pop that finger out for a similar pitch.

Speaker 14 (46:30):
You know.

Speaker 6 (46:30):
Maybe it's opposite.

Speaker 13 (46:31):
Maybe it's he flares it out on a fastball and
keeps it closed on breaking stuff.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
You know.

Speaker 13 (46:37):
So there's little things. A guy named John Nunneley, he
picked it up off my breath. He picked it up
off my breathing. I would exhale deep, like, you know,
a real exhale on a certain pitch. I don't even
this was in two thousand and seven or eight. I
remember him tell me this.

Speaker 6 (46:56):
That I would.

Speaker 13 (46:56):
Exhale deep, you know, hard on a fastball and softly
on my changeup.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Is that a conversation that that can happen and does
happen often before the hitters notice stuff, or maybe the
catcher will come out and say, look, you're doing this,
and so they know this sort of thing is coming.

Speaker 5 (47:15):
Well you're not.

Speaker 13 (47:15):
I mean again, like you know, Tyler has only seen
him a time or two, and it's hard to pick
that up because there's so much other stuff that the
picture or that the catcher's focusing on that he's not
probably focused on that. That's probably more like your hitting coach.
I feel like your hitting coach should kind of be
good because he's looking for any edge for his pictures

(47:36):
or for his hitters, So he's watching the opposing picture
pretty intently, probably as intently as anybody. Now, this is
some of the problem that I have with all the
iPads in the dugout. Guys are sitting in there more
watching their swings from twenty twenty three than they are
watching the guy on the mound. And that's the only
way you're gonna pick it up. So I doubt it

(47:58):
was a play if somebody if there was tip and
somebody picked it up, I doubt it was a player.
So it's got to be you know, like I said,
Alex Core is very good at it. Hitting coaches. You know,
you're kind of look you're looking for that. I mean,
anytime I was in the dugout, I still look for
it now if I get the.

Speaker 6 (48:15):
You know, the right angle for it. I'm always looking
for that stuff.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Your overall impressions of Chase Burns through two starts we've
seen both are really really good, and then last night
the exact opposite.

Speaker 13 (48:26):
Yeah, I mean, I'm I think probably more because of.

Speaker 6 (48:32):
The character that he seems to have. You know, I
love the way he's answered questions from the media. If
you saw the broadcast where.

Speaker 13 (48:39):
Jim interviewed his parents, his parents are very impressive people,
and kind of how they're talking is the way that
I want to hear it spoken about.

Speaker 6 (48:47):
You know, we've.

Speaker 13 (48:47):
Instilled the you know, the characteristics in him through learning
and this and that, and now we're just trusting to
go out there and execute what we feel like we've
taught him, which are important you know, human trade.

Speaker 6 (49:00):
And I feel like he's done that. I feel like
he didn't get.

Speaker 13 (49:03):
Too over excited about his first outing, and I don't
feel like he's going to get overwhelmed by this one.
I mean, I'm I'm high on him more for the
person that he seems to be than the stuff, which
is obviously very good.

Speaker 6 (49:18):
If I would like him, I mean, I think he's
gonna be really good.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Yeah. No, I mean, look, he was fooling guys in
that first those first two winnings against the Yankees, and
I wanted to see how they would adjust, and they did.
And now and Tito talked about this after the game
last night. I'm interested in Chase Burns's next start, Like,
how do you adjust against a really good Philly team?
How do you adjust? And how do you come back

(49:41):
from what we saw last night?

Speaker 13 (49:43):
Well, and I think you just you do your diligence.
You go and make sure you weren't tipping pitches because
now the league's out. Now the Phillies are going to
go right to his video and they're going to try
to find whatever it is.

Speaker 6 (49:56):
They'll just watch fastball.

Speaker 13 (49:58):
They'll watch fastballs over and over and over, over and over,
and then the watch breaking balls over and over and
over and over from the where they thought they were
sealing it, which I'm guessing was out of the stretch,
because he was out of the stretch the whole game.
So it's got to be something out of the stretch
right where he sets his hands as he comes set
with his hands high for a fastball and a change
up low, you know, something like that.

Speaker 6 (50:19):
So they're gonna be looking for something out of the stretch.

Speaker 13 (50:21):
So if you're the Reds, you do your diligence, and
then if your chase burns, if you've checked that box
and like, no, I wasn't I just leave was leaving
pitches over the plate, then you go work on commanding
the ball better in.

Speaker 6 (50:31):
Your bullpen sent and that's it.

Speaker 13 (50:32):
Because she's obviously been very good all year, one inning excluded,
you know, I mean, he dominated the minors. He was
very good in his first time out. So if he
checks the box that it wasn't tippy, I think, just
go about your business, man, because it's gonna be good.
You just know now you need to execute pretty damn
good at the major league level or else you're gonna

(50:55):
get You're gonna get worked.

Speaker 6 (50:56):
I don't care how good your stuff is all right?

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Two more real quick, because I know you have to
go to work. If I would have said to you
back in March that Andrew Abbott would represent the Red's
best chance to have a starting pitcher in the All
Star Game, you would have said what.

Speaker 13 (51:10):
I would have thought, certainly more than it would be Hunter.
Am I surprised at how good Andrew's been?

Speaker 6 (51:17):
I'd say, yeah, a little bit. I mean I think
you have to.

Speaker 13 (51:19):
I mean, it's just because you don't see it as
much in this game with the lack of power stuff.

Speaker 6 (51:25):
And it is a power fastball.

Speaker 13 (51:27):
I know it's ninety three to ninety five, but it's
a power fastball because of how he throws it right,
it's got that upshoot kind of thing on it, and
because he's got three other pitches that he goes for strike,
so he's executing them all for a long period of time.

Speaker 6 (51:39):
Is this like Andrew at his best?

Speaker 13 (51:41):
Yes, but it's been an extended period of time, So no,
I wouldn't have thought he was the Reds chance. I
thought Hunter was continuing to grow from last year and
was looking pretty awesome so far in twenty twenty five.
So yeah, I'm a little surprised. I mean, am I
shocked that he's yeah to make the All Star team. Yeah,

(52:01):
it's very impressive, very happy for him, but yeah, a
little surprised.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Yeah, he's been He's been awesome this year. One more
what one of my one of my favorite players of
recent history, announced his retirement last night, Tucker Barnhart. So
you threw twenty big league games with Tucker Barnhart behind
the plate. What did you like most about throwing to him?

Speaker 7 (52:23):
Uh?

Speaker 13 (52:24):
I like the way he kind of snatched the ball
at the end there. I mean there were different.

Speaker 6 (52:27):
Guys that some just.

Speaker 13 (52:31):
Kind of received it. Uh, and they were very still,
which I like that too. Tucker was a little bit
in between like a Quirky and a Hanigan. To me,
he was still, but he still kind of really worked
that ball. But not that Quirky didn't and not that
Hannigan overdid it. But he was a nice mixture of both.
I liked kind of the distinctness of how he gave

(52:53):
me signs. I don't know, there's just that was both
they were pushing buttons but right, yeah, you know, he
had to putt if he wanted the slidery. I had
to see three fingers. So, uh, you know, there was
there's a way that guys set up and the way
they kind of look.

Speaker 6 (53:07):
In their gear.

Speaker 13 (53:08):
I don't know, there's always kind of visual sidelines that
you're trying to use as a picture for you know,
where am I going to aim this curb? Well, I'm
gonna aiming off the top of his mask. Damn, Tucker's
mask looks good today, you know, Like I mean, stupid stuff, right,
But uh no, I was certainly very fortunate to to
throw to a lot of high quality catchers, and Tucker
was certainly one of them.

Speaker 8 (53:27):
Man.

Speaker 6 (53:27):
Yea, I've always always been a Tucker fan.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Yeah, it's funny. I was. I was looking at like
the guys you threw to. You were lucky man, Meseraco again, Hernandez,
I mean, like Brian Payana, Uh, Tucker, like you, you
lucked out, man. They've had some good there.

Speaker 6 (53:44):
I'm the first. I'm the first to admit it. I'm
the first to admit it. But yeah, there's there's no
question about it.

Speaker 13 (53:50):
I enjoyed throwing to all those guys for different reasons.
Like I said, there was a different look about how
Quirky set up obviously versus handing, get hand against back there,
moving around and kind of you know, doing calistenics behind
the plate. But everybody's working his ass off, right, you know.
So uh, you appreciated that, and then Mes had his

(54:10):
way and.

Speaker 6 (54:11):
Hernandez all of them.

Speaker 13 (54:12):
So yeah, I definitely, I definitely looked out on that end,
and I'm aware that that probably helped my career out
a fair bit.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
No question. Can't thank you enough. I know we called
you last minute. Have fun tonight, Thanks so much, all right, Bud,
that's our guys, Sam. Look here, nobody better to talk
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Speaker 1 (54:51):
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Speaker 2 (54:55):
Thirty minutes away. And it has overwhelmingly this season been
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I think I might have three. We'll send him out
during the next break if I show some initiative, really

(55:16):
good stuff from Sam le Cure, who was terrific as
expected on Chase Burns and tipping pitches. And look, the
reality is the Reds are trying to get to the postseason.
They're trying to catch teams, They're trying to overcome some
of their own team deficiencies. This is only really going

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to work this year if the starting pitching remains an asset.
Hunter Green has to come back. Hunter Green has to
come back and pitch at a really high level. Andrew
Abbott is it's hard for him. It's going to be
really hard for him to pitch at a similar level
to what he's pitched already this year. But you've got

(55:56):
some really reliable guys. What they do with the Chase
Burns spot right now, you know you could say, well,
Hunter's gonna fill it. It is fair to be concerned
about the starting pitching depth moving forward. I inarticulately, in
art in articulately talked about that last hour I'm not

(56:18):
sure I said that word correct either. Some days you
have a hard time opening your mouth, which is not
not good when you talk for a living. I think
one of the more interesting players on this team is
Christian and Karnassi on Strand, who you know, we saw
two years ago a glimpse into what we hoped he
could be uber productive, really good competitive at bats, could

(56:43):
hit for some power, and that was you know, he
among many guys who got caught up during the twenty
twenty three season. Last year a wasted year for Cees.
This year, Cees had a really fun three game stretch
when he came off the injured list against the Diamondbacks,
where he hit the home run on Friday night in

(57:05):
the game that got carried over to Saturday because of rain,
had the walk off hit and a home run in
the first inning of the second game that day. Since then,
while he did have the big three run double against
the New York Yankees, the production has just not been there.
John Sadak on the TV broadcast last night, was he

(57:26):
was trying to come up with something nice to say
about Cees, where like he comes to the plate and
he's like, well, you know, ces is five for his
last forty but you know, yesterday he hit a ball
of the warning track and I don't know. You know,
he's a guy. And we talked about this a little
bit when he came off the injured list that this
season in many respects, if the idea is this dude's

(57:47):
going to be a cornerstone, this guy's going to be
a key piece. Kind of felt like this was a
bit of a put up or shut up season for
Cees and so far, so far, and the sample size
is not huge huge, it's been more shut up than
put up. And look, he has yet to play a
full big league season. He has yet to play one
hundred and sixty two big league games. He has yet

(58:08):
to get to five hundred played appearances. But you know,
you're kind of heat. To me, illustrates one of the
difficult things the Reds are trying to do. Here. You
could look no further than the corners because Noel Vea
Marte is getting closer to coming back and he's at Louisville.
We saw a glimpse from Noel ja Marte before he
got hurt, where he was hitting the ball really hard,

(58:29):
really good abs. But man, your guess is as good
as mine. As to what that guy can give this
team over the final three months of the season, I
don't know. I certainly do know that there have been
times where I've thought, like, this guy could be somebody
you move forward with. This is a guy that's a
big part of what you're doing for the rest of

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the decade. Still just twenty three years old, still a
very small sample size worth of Big League played appearances
fewer than five hundred hasn't yet played at one hundred
and sixty two games. Those if Noelve comes back without
any hiccup, those are your corner guys. Now, Cees is

(59:11):
playing third base tonight, but it feels to me like
that the plan is going to be moving forward. For
the most part, your corner guys are going to be
Cees and Noelve Marte. Those are two players who have
combined to play roughly two one hundred and forty Major
League baseball games. Both have shown glimpses, and Marte's numbers

(59:35):
at the time that he got hurt were very good.
Ops above eight to fifty, batting close to three hundred,
hitting the ball hard like looking the exact opposite of
how he looked last season when he kind finally rejoined
the team after being suspended for half the year, but
it was a tiny sample size. Noelve Marte this year
seventy three played appearances. And so you know, we've talked

(59:58):
a lot about the corner outfields and production from the outfield,
and did the Reds air in not finding one more
outfield er this offseason? And can they go and get
a guy in the outfield at the trade deadline this year?
If your corner infield production continues to be what it

(01:00:19):
is from Cees and Noel A Martes still needs time
or what we saw in those seventy three played appearances
this season before he got hurt is a mirage. Then
what do you do now? Ces is just twenty five
years old, Noel A Marte is just twenty three. Both

(01:00:41):
maybe guys that the Reds want to give an insane
amount of apbats to before making a final determination on them.
And you can understand why these are players we acquired
from outside organizations. We gave up good assets to get them.
We want to exhaust every possibility with them. We want
to make sure, like but before we decide this guy
is not a part of our foundation, we want to

(01:01:02):
know everything there is to know about him, and you
only do that by playing the guy. Now, Marte is
a little bit of a different story because before he
got hurt, he was hitting CS has barely hit. The
numbers are ghastly, and the at bats over the course
of the last few weeks have been equally ghastly. He

(01:01:23):
strikes out a ton, he's you know, not exactly working
walks on base percentage at two twenty four. The power
threat is obviously there, but there's very little else about
his overall offensive profile that you like. That may be

(01:01:43):
different in a year, that may be different in two years,
but you're trying to get to the postseason right now?
Can you do that with the Reds corner infield production?
And again, like Marte was hitting fine before he came back,
but we're still talking talking about a largely unproven quantity here.

(01:02:03):
So I think it's going to be fascinating as we
talk about upgrades the Reds can make from outside, if
they make any. And I cannot imagine what it's going
to sound like if on July thirty first, right around
this time of day, the Reds are in it, completely
in it, and they haven't made the team better from
outside but we talk a lot about infield man. First

(01:02:26):
base production hasn't been great at all, and the backup
at third base right now is Santiago Espinhal or Cees
playing third with somebody else playing first. So they're kind
of in a tough spot here where you want to
give those guys chances to show what they can do.
But given those guys unlimited chances to show what they

(01:02:47):
can do could come at a very significant short term expense.
What will be really fascinating to me is to see
if the Reds are willing to take on that short
term expense, or if they pull the plug earlier than
they may because they're in contention. We will see, We
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(01:05:28):
I saw like a two minute and forty five second
clip of his segment where he talked about the National
League Player of the Year or Player of the Week award,
his second time, the three home run game he had
on Friday apparently, and this was not on the social
media clip. He said that the Reds have a new slogan,
it's mow your own grass, which sounds like what would

(01:05:53):
have been Marvin Lewis's slogan for the twenty nineteen season
like had he not, had he not been let go?
And you know, the Bengals have had a fair amount
of success with Zach Taylor as the head coach. That
doesn't diminish what Marvin Lewis did as Bengals head coach.
But I think we all agreed, you know, sixteen years

(01:06:16):
kind of good, kind of time for someone else, and
for the most part things have worked out pretty well
for the Bengals. Zach Taylor has his distract detractors. Zach
Taylor does things that we have certainly, you know, lobbed
criticism at him for. But it's for the most part
been pretty good. That said, there is a part of

(01:06:37):
me that does really really miss even seven years after
he directed his last Bengals training camp. The annual Marvin
Lewis slogan T shirt which the one year it was
run on your own gas. I even did back when
I used to write blogs, which remember that everyone I

(01:06:59):
tried to right stuff we did once the definitive list
of from worst to best, worst to best Marvin Lewis
training camp slogans mow your own grass, which I'm told
Austin told me this off air. Spencer Steer says, is
the Reds like team slogan mow your own own grass

(01:07:21):
sounds like a Marvin Lewis training camp slogan. Anyway, Spencer
is batting six playing first base tonight, Trevino is catching
Will Benson in right field. Cees is playing third base
and batting ninth. Reds did make today a slew of
roster announcements. So Sam ben Scooter is up from Louisville.

(01:07:44):
I'll tell you everything you've ever wanted to know about
Sam ben Scooter here in just a few minutes. Sam
Mall has been recalled from Louisville, Joel Soursa and Connor
Phillips who got destroyed last night sent to TRIPAA Louisville,
and Noel Marte's rehab assignment has been transferred to Louisville.
So there you go. He gets closer and closer to

(01:08:06):
coming back. Now I know you're going Wait a minute, mo,
I want you to tell us everything we need to
know about Sam Benz Scooter. So at the time of
his call up, and he will make his major league
debut when he pitches for the Reds at Louisville. He
had appeared in twenty one games, four of them starts
with an ERA of four point six. Sam Ben Scooter

(01:08:28):
up from Louisville. Congratulations to him. He is twenty seven
years old and good luck. He's a righty Sam Ben
Scooter and he has a cool name, Ben Scooter. What
else do we have? Florence on the road tonight against Schomberg.
I think I think that is it for local sports headlines.

(01:08:49):
Not a ton going on on this Bobby Bonia day. Rats.
I think last year the Mets, the New York Mets
have to pay Bobby Benia like one point two million dollars,
like deep into the twenty thirties for a contract that
he signed in the nineteen nineties. The Reds were doing
this with King Griffy Junior. If I'm not mistaken, and
I often am, King Griffy Junior got his last check

(01:09:11):
from the Reds a year ago, so he is off
the books. And I believe Bronson. I don't think the
Reds are right now paying any deferred money to any
old retired players. If I was a team owner, that
would be all I did. Like what do i I'd like,
I'd set up you know, all sorts of deferrals, well
past the time that I actually owned the baseball team,

(01:09:34):
Sam Ben Scooter. Mike, go ahead, you're on ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 15 (01:09:40):
Has a going.

Speaker 16 (01:09:43):
I've always thought me off guard.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
And sorry, I'm well, do you mind taking me off
your speakerphone?

Speaker 16 (01:09:52):
No, I was trying to reposition Mike new leg. Man,
this thing is awesome, dude. I'm so grateful for this move. Okay,
here it is.

Speaker 17 (01:10:03):
It's talk.

Speaker 7 (01:10:04):
Is that better?

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
You sound? You sound much better? Thank you for doing so.
Your new leg is good.

Speaker 17 (01:10:10):
Yeah, it's just amazing.

Speaker 7 (01:10:12):
Man.

Speaker 17 (01:10:12):
That's the technology that goes into these discoveries and developments
and manufacturing. It's it's truly remarkable. You know, there's a
lot of funky things going on in this world, but
there's a lot of damn good things going on too.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
So that is a good way to look at life, Mike,
because I know you've been through some challenging times.

Speaker 17 (01:10:33):
Yeah, so that's what you have to do. What's the
other what's the alternative?

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Well, you and I both know people and many people
who have it really well, who are miserable every single day.
So to talk with someone like yourself and you've gone
through a number of physical and health challenges to have
the optimism and enthusiasm for life that you possess. I
think is refreshing because we are surrounded at times, Mike,

(01:10:57):
by people who have a lot more going for than
you and I, who are seemingly never happy.

Speaker 17 (01:11:05):
It almost disappoints you. It's kind of disappointing. It doesn't
make me mad. It's kind of disappointing, isn't it more
than anything?

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Well, I have. I made a handful of New Year's resolutions,
and one of them I have stuck to Mike, which
is I am removing miserable people from my life. And
I have chosen to distance myself from people who just
always bring the mood down. Now, not that you're not
allowed to have a bad day, God knows, I have

(01:11:32):
my fair share. I had one on the air last week.
But you know, we both know people, Mike. They're chronically unhappy.
They're constantly whining. They can't help but tell you how
miserable they are. Just there's no joy in their lives.
They look at the sad side of everything and every time,
how's it going?

Speaker 11 (01:11:52):
Eh?

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
You know, I hate my John and I have decided,
and I've made a conscious effort, and I have done
this relatively successfully.

Speaker 13 (01:11:59):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
I have removed those people from my life and it's
made life a lot better.

Speaker 17 (01:12:05):
Oh, I'm proud of you, and the proofs in the
putting you feel better about yourself. Your wife probably likes
you better, your daughter probably likes you. Everybody around you
likes you better.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
None of those things are true. Most people can't stand me.
My family barely tolerates me, and I despise myself, but
by and large, I have gotten rid of those miserable
people from my life.

Speaker 17 (01:12:25):
Well, I'm the leader of your fan club and you
know that. So that's the way it's gonna stay.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
That line's not very long, but go ahead. What else
is on your mind today, Mike?

Speaker 17 (01:12:33):
I just I had a thought, and it's kind of weird,
but I'm just intrigued with you. And I know it's
boring for Cincinnati sports, but I'm just intrigued with this
Tampa Bay team. And I was thinking last night I
would love to see the Reds and the Tampa Bay
Rays play a best of seven. I bet it would
be unbelievably awesome seven game series in whatever con Tech

(01:13:00):
softball or what you know what I mean, I just
those two teams intrigued me a lot.

Speaker 14 (01:13:05):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
I think I think the preferred sport would be would
bat baseball. And if the Reds and Rays played in
a best of seven series, that would mean the Reds
are in the World Series, and I would just be
elated about the fact that the Reds had advanced that far,
and it wouldn't matter to me who they were playing,
but the Tampa Bay Rays. You know, it's interesting in

(01:13:25):
that division, Mike, where you've got the Yankees and you've
got the Red Sox, and it's it's really hard to
compete when you know, I asked this all the time.
I would say this about the Saint Louis Cardinals. How
good is your good and how bad is your bad? So, like,
the Cardinals have stumbled into contention this year, and they

(01:13:46):
really didn't mean to. They meant to rebuild, and some
of that rebuild is working out in the short term.
But they were gonna trade Nolan Aernato and they were
gonna essentially hit the reset button. Aeronado said no to
any trade, and so the Cardinals they are in contention
even in years where they're not expected to be all
that good. They're still relevant. They never bought them out.

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They don't drag their fans through these seasons where they
lose ninety games every single year. The Tampa bay Rays. Obviously,
the first decade that the Tampa Bay Rays were a franchise,
they weren't very good, and they cycled through managers and
they tried to sign free agents, and they Greg Vaughan.
At one point they had Fred McGriff and Lou Panela
was the manager, and they spent the first I don't know,

(01:14:29):
eight or nine years of their existence just kind of existing.
But since the latter part of the two thousands, the
Tampa Bay Rays have had a ninety loss season I
believe one time one time. So they're at times really
really good. They went through a stretch that got broken
in twenty twenty three where they made the postseason five

(01:14:51):
consecutive years. They had a stretch from two thousand and
eight to twenty thirteen where they made the postseason four
years out of six, so two stretch of excellence, and
then in the middle a stretch where they weren't very good.
But when that stretch where they weren't very good, they
lost ninety games or more exactly once. They're always competitive,

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they're usually in the postseason hunt, they're regularly in the playoffs.
And now I don't love how they do it sometimes
because they don't invest in anybody. But there's something really
enviable about that franchise's ability to consistently crank out big
league ready players. So I envy that, and I want

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the Reds to steal that, to borrow that, to emulate that,
which is the same thing I've said about them in
the Saint Louis Cardinals.

Speaker 17 (01:15:41):
Okay, I'm going to switch topics.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
I bought you with my Tampa Bay Rays take.

Speaker 17 (01:15:48):
No, no, no, that was It's pretty much what I
had been thinking. I just marvel at the teams that
spend very little money, but like you say, there's no
longevity to it typically, but at least their fans got
something that get excited about, whether it has a long
distance ram vocations or not.

Speaker 7 (01:16:07):
But do you.

Speaker 17 (01:16:10):
NBA free agency. I think the big winner in this
past day or so, I think it's the Nuggets. I
think the Nuggets have thrown themselves into I think now
the top seed in the West based on their couple
acquisitions that they made, plus they got a backup center now,

(01:16:32):
a legit backup center.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
Yeah. I think the big winners the Milwaukee Bucks bill
free and clear of Damian Lillard. And I love Miles Turner.

Speaker 17 (01:16:42):
Yeah yeah, Damian Leonard or for God loving but the
poor guy.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:16:48):
Another another quick question. I'm really up on this Denver team.
I really like to see the Chargers when the division.
Of course, I'd like to see the Rams in their division,
of course, because that's where my roots are, even though
I'm from Cincinnati, but you look somewhere for forty years.
It's hard to not.

Speaker 7 (01:17:07):
Hit some allegiance. But I really think this Denver team
is dangerous. No, I think they are real. I know
it's all about Knicks, but god mother, they're a solid team.
And I can't tell you a half a dozen guys
on the team.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Yeah, you know, I think people last year, the Broncos,
when they made the postseason, we were obviously rooting hard
against them. The Bengals beat them head to head. That
was a top three defense in the NFL last season.
You're you're exactly right, Like it's it's year two of
a quarterback in bow Knicks last year who showed flashes?

(01:17:43):
Have they surrounded him with enough people. It's year two
of continuity with him and Sean Payton, and how that
plays out is going to be really interesting. The AFC
West is fascinating because I think it's a really interesting bet.
Paul Dayner Junior and I talked about this with Jason
on their podcast. One of the more interesting bets in
the NFL, I think is the Chiefs to miss the postseason.

(01:18:07):
And that might be a little bit of an overreaction
to the Super Bowl, but they were a really uneven
team last year who was in a division that I
think this year is better. The Chargers have a chance
to be really good. Now I roll my eyes when
I hear about how this is going to be the
year where Herbert joins that upper tier of quarterbacks. But
he certainly has the talent. They have a great coach,
They're really good upfront on the line. I think Denver

(01:18:28):
has a chance to take a major step forward, and
the Raiders have a Hall of Fame head coach and
Pete Carroll. The AFC West is fascinating, and I don't
know that I'm making the bet myself, but I don't
think it's that far fetched. If you combine that with
how they played last year to suggest that the Chiefs
might not make the postseason, which, if you know anything

(01:18:51):
about how good that franchise has been for a while,
seems almost inconceivable. Mike, I have to run. It's good
to hear from you, man, Thanks so much.

Speaker 17 (01:19:00):
Thanks for the time, pal.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
All right, let's dive into Chase Burns start last night. Uh,
let's ask some what ifs after Brenneman and Jones on
baseball on ESPN fifteen.

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Red's trying to bounce back after getting beaten badly last night.
They made it competitive and they put the game at
least in somewhat in doubt. But the story of the
game last night, after a very encouraging first major league

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start for Chase Burns, he got the ball last night
for his second and it was a disaster. Now, if
Matt McClain doesn't commit a throwing error on a potential
double playball, and I don't think even if he makes
the throw, they turned two. But still if he doesn't
make that error, who knows how the rest of the
inning unfolds. But he got hit, he got hit hard,

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and it looked like at first glance like the Red
Sox hitters knew what was coming. Now, that doesn't mean
the Chase Burns made very good pitches. In fact, he
did not. It was speculated during the team broadcast, the
Boston Red Sox TV broadcast that maybe Chase Burns was
tipping his pitches. We heard from earlier today, Rob Dibble,

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who was on Sincy three to sixty with Tony and
Austin That interview is available on the podcast page of
ESPN fifteen thirty dot com and the iHeartRadio app. In
an hour ago, we had on Sam look here. Sam
doesn't really seem to think that it's likely that Chase
Burns was tipping pitches, although he admitted that he didn't

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really have the best possible angle. We've heard from a
lot of people about Chase Burns maybe tipping pitches. We
haven't heard from Chase Burns. Here is the Reds rookie
starting pitcher after last night's game.

Speaker 13 (01:22:42):
A little time to dice I think you put into
words maybe what went wrong there in the first.

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
I can't really tell you that, just trying to flush
it and then you know, back to the drawing boards,
see what works, see what it didn't work. I didn't
go from there.

Speaker 14 (01:22:57):
Did feel like they knew what was coming to and
is possible they I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
They put a lot of good swings on a lot
of good pitches. Yeah, a lot of mistakes out there,
So I couldn't really tell.

Speaker 17 (01:23:09):
You you ever got a game like.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
That at any level?

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
A couple of times? You know, it's baseball, so it happens.
It just definitely sucks when it's on the big stage.

Speaker 5 (01:23:19):
So the results aside, how was that atmosphere?

Speaker 7 (01:23:23):
It was cool.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
Yeah, I got to see Fenway for the first time,
so you know, that's always a cool opportunity.

Speaker 17 (01:23:29):
So yeah, all.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
Right, So Chase Burns after the game last night.

Speaker 8 (01:23:34):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
Terry Francona after the game said, really can't and I'm paraphrasing,
you really can't wait to see how he throws against
the Philadelphia Phillies. You talk about a guy being thrown
to the Wolves. Your first started home against the New
York Yankees. Were in your first big league inning, You're
steering down Aaron Judge and by the way, striking them
out last night. Pitching in an iconic venue. I'm not
sure how good that Boston team is, in particular without

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Raphael Devers.

Speaker 15 (01:23:58):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
And then his next it is going to be on
the road against the Phillies, like a really, really good lineup,
let's see. You know, sometimes a question is best asked
kind of after the fact. We do this with sports
seasons sometimes, right like the twenty twenty three Reds and
the its immediate aftermath, Hey, was this a successful season?

Speaker 15 (01:24:19):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
Ask me in a couple of years, ask me if
that proves to be a jumping off point to something
bigger and better, and if it is, I'll tell you
the twenty twenty three season was a success. And if
that turns out to be like the high point of
this decade, then no, it really wasn't a success. So
ask me about Jase Burns after his next start or
his next couple of starts. Look, every pitcher, even really

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good established pitchers, have total clunkers where you just as
they say in football, burn the tape afterward, where you
just didn't have it, didn't have your good stuff. The
hitters had you timed. They may knew what was coming.
Your breaking pitches were breaking, your fastball didn't move, and
they hitch you around the park. And that might have
been it last night for Chase Burns, if I were

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to guess, And you know, his answers were interesting. He
didn't want to be very revealing. I'm not sure how
much of a sample size of Chase Burns there is
to determine whether or not he's tipping pitches. What I
do know is this, just watching on TV, those pitches
he was throwing last night looked very hittable by big
league hitters, even if they didn't know what was coming.

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Those look like pitches that were very easy to hit.
So how does he learn from it? If he wasn't
tipping pitches, how does he learn from it? If he
was tipping pitches, how does he learn from it? So
we'll see. Maybe last night proves to be just an
inevitable part of the growing pains that you go through
when you're in your first professional season, not just first

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big league season, first professional season. Maybe it's just one
of those starts that every pitcher has. Maybe it's that's
the sort of thing that provides some important lessons that
he can apply to his next start, and then the
start after that, and the start after that and the
start after that, and by the time he has made
those starts, we are completely and totally forgetting what he

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did and didn't do last night against the Boston Red Sox.
Or maybe he's just not ready. I don't know, you
don't know. I'm guessing the Reds right now or wrestling
with that. Here's what we do know. The plan when
the season started involved the possibility that Chase Burns might

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pitch in Cincinnati by the end of the year, might
pitch in Cincinnati by the end of the year. Since
best laid plans often don't work out, the plan had
to be adjusted and instead of maybe Chase Burns is

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going to pitch in Cincinnati in some capacity by the
end of the year. He's made two starts in June
with the Reds hoping to make the postseason. He has
been thrust into essentially the role vacated by a guy
who was an All Star last year, by a guy

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who went healthy is one of the better pitchers in
all of baseball. I think it was our buddy Charlie
Goldsmith who wrote when the Reds called up Chase Burns
that the Reds were breaking the glass, the emergency glass,
because of Hunter's injury, Wade Miley's injury, maybe Rhet Louder's injury,
the lack of availability by a handful of other guys,

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Chase Petty not really being ready to start quite yet,
and so they had to do something that was not
a part of their plan. And Chase had earned the opportunity,
and we were all excited to see him get it.
He had earned the opportunity because in Dayton, and in
Chattanooga and in Louisville he showed big league stuff. Stuff
that'll fly, and so there are worse options, and who

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among us wasn't all about Chase Burns getting that opportunity.
We didn't want to watch some four A pitcher, We
didn't want to see him sign some guy who had
been cut by another team. We wanted to see the
best available option. Maybe wanted to see a glimpse of
the future, and so we got Chase Burns. And by
the way, that early glimpse against the Yankees was really
really encouraging. But what if he's not ready? What if

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the failsafe? What if the emergency plan ends up being
a little bit of a flawed plan because he needs
a little bit more experience, a little bit more seasoning,
a little bit more work than what the obvious answer is.
Hunter Green is, by all accounts, progressing pretty nicely, throwing
off around, ramping up his activity. Looks like he's going

(01:28:50):
to be ready to go for a rehab assignment, maybe
make a couple of starts, come back after the All
Star break, and be ready to go. And hopefully when
he is man more than any the guy could just
stay healthy because he's not been able to do that.
And I'm Hunter Green's my favorite guy. On the team.
But dude, my guy can't stay healthy. And so over
the next two and a half months, by the time

(01:29:11):
he comes back, tell me you're not gonna be holding
your breath. Tell me you're not gonna be wincing pretty
much every time the guy goes into his wind up. So,
Chase Burns, if he's not the guy, Okay, fine, Hunter
Green's gonna come back. But then what then what if
there's an injury? Then what if there's just somebody whose

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performance falls off the cliff? Then what if the schedule
gets weird and there's double headers and well, you could
say here and there, we're gonna use a bullpen game,
But then what This team's starting pitching depth has been
tested this year. This team's starting pitching depth, or I
guess lack thereof, has kind of been exposed so much

(01:29:54):
so that the Reds had to do something that they
didn't plan on doing. And good for them for doing it,
because again, we all wanted to see Chase Burns, And
this conversation is moot. If over his next couple of
starts he's effective, and then we'll talk about usage and
innings limitations and maybe what they do with him when
Hunter comes back, but the possibility does exist that last

(01:30:20):
night revealed to us that Chase Burns has an immense
amount of upside and has a chance one day to
be really, really good and deserved the opportunity that he
got in one day will be a part of a
starting staff where he is one of the very best pitchers.

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But you have to at least acknowledge the possibility that
that start against the Red Sox told us that while
the stuff is really good and the potential is through
the roof for a team that's trying to get to
the postseason, he's just not there yet. Then what's the
backup plan the next time the depth gets tested? Is

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it within the organization? Is it currently on the big
league roster? This is not a conversation worth happening if
this is your garden variety Red season of the last
twelve or so years, where who cares it's July. They're
not playing for anything, but they are and they're not

(01:31:25):
postseason favorites. The odds do work against them, but the
idea is still to get to the postseason. We've talked
about corner infield. Reds need more production, specifically from first
base Cees hadn't been it. We've discussed since before the

(01:31:45):
season began, corner outfield production. Are they gonna get enough?
Do they have enough outfield depth? Every team in baseball
wants more bullpen help, Many teams need starting help. That
for most of us has been lower on the wrung,
lower on the list of trade deadline possibilities, and understandably so.

(01:32:09):
The Reds have good starting pitching, but is it good enough?
Is it deep enough? If the answers are no, well,
then that becomes a need and then you're dealing with
this like world where they got a lot of needs. Now,
like we talk about, like make a deadline move, the

(01:32:34):
priority is probably not going to be starting pitching, but
you have to at least acknowledge that it might make
sense in a month to go get somebody who can
help them address their depth. We'll see a lot of
this is on jays burns now and man, I sincerely

(01:32:54):
hope as we all do, there's nobody listening to the
sound of my voice right now who would disagree with this.
We're all hoping that in two or three starts he's
put last night behind him and we go, you know what,
learning experience kind of a necessary step when you're making
your first or your second big league start in your
first professional season. But for all the things we talk

(01:33:15):
about and all the things we wonder about when it
comes to this roster and to this team's makeup and
its composition, and what they may need and what their
weaknesses are and what they're willing to part with starting
pitching depth was not so much a topic back in March.
Hasn't so much been a topic in April, May and June,

(01:33:37):
and maybe isn't in July. If Hunter comes back, and
if Chase Burns continues to pitch okay, and then there's
like an odd man out. But you always wonder what happens.
If we've seen the Reds had their season torpedoed in
the past because depth in a certain area got tested
and the Reds failed, are they going to be equipped

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the next time their rotation depth gets tested? In Chase
burns first outing, the answer was yes. Last night, the
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Rob in Northern Kentucky. You're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Good afternoon, Rob,

(01:36:43):
how are you.

Speaker 14 (01:36:45):
I'm fine, sir. I'm gonna tell you why Trey Hendricks,
the Trey Handrichim deal is gonna get done. I think
he's even going to be in training camp, okay. And
it's because of spous as male or female decisions come
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(01:37:09):
if not a more equal role. When he signed that extension,
he talked about security for his family. And the bottom
line is, I don't care what the other guy signed
for or this or that. I guarantee you his spouse
is barking into his ear about where else are we

(01:37:33):
gonna make? Are you gonna make fifteen million dollars this year?
And whatever else he could make next year?

Speaker 7 (01:37:42):
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
Well, I don't know Trey's wife. I've certainly listened to
him make reference to his wife. They strike me as
a very close together couple. How involved she is in
his professional decision making. I'm not at liberty to say
I guess. I guess. If I were with the two
and I were to say to both of them, like,

(01:38:04):
all right, here are the things you guys have to
think about, I would talk about the Bengals offered to him,
which is twenty eight mil. And I would say that
I think there's enough room between what the Bengals have
offered and the top of the market for you to
come to an agreement and find some middle ground with
the Bengals that'll keep you in Cincinnati, that'll give you

(01:38:27):
a higher degree of financial security than you have already enjoyed,
that eliminates the training camp distraction, that gets rid of
the possibility of you being fined for not showing up
for training camp, and could ultimately make you one of
the most beloved players in this franchise history, while paying
you significantly more than you have been getting over the
last couple of years. And what I would hope is

(01:38:49):
that Trey and his wife would take my advice, call
up Trey's agent, call the Bengals, and spend the next
three weeks hammering out a contract that avoids this being
a side show once training camp begins. I don't know
if I'm qualified or you're qualified to say that Trey's
wife is going to tell him what to do or
what not to do. I do not know, but what

(01:39:11):
I have gathered from listening to Trey's public comments is
whatever decision he makes is going to be made in
at least consultation with his other half, and we'll see
what happens.

Speaker 7 (01:39:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:39:25):
Well again, like I said, you know, he's not gonna
make the kind of money anywhere else in life that
he's about to make, and so, and I agree with
keep finding middle ground in this and that, but at
the end of the day, he's not gonna make anywhere
near that the rest of his life. And so I

(01:39:46):
think he's gonna be I think that's why he's gonna
sign on the Bengals terms.

Speaker 15 (01:39:51):
Maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
I mean, look, at the end of the day, he's
under contract to play this season and he don't get
paid if he doesn't play. So you know, every year
when we talk about a holdout involving a player who's
under contract, most of us assume the guy is still
going to show up because he's not going to want
to four go the money. And maybe Trey's wife or
maybe someone in his life says, dude, Okay, fine, you

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didn't get the deal you were looking for, but are
you really going to give back money or not? Only
are you not signing for more money, now you're giving
money back by not playing. Maybe the Bengals play it
out and make Trey play a game of chicken, and
he bluffs and he plays, and he hits free agency
at the end of this year. Again, I can't help

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but think between the top of the market and what
the Bengals have offered, that there's a lot of room
there for the two sides to come to a common
sense agreement. Now, as you and I both know, Rob,
sometimes common sense has not applied to things like this.
I hold out hope that common sense will prevail. But
we have seen a lot of contract situations that have

(01:40:55):
dominated training camp to the degree that it leaks into
the preseason, and as was the case with Jamar Chase
last year, goes until the very last minute before the
first game starts, before we find out if the guy
is going to play or not.

Speaker 14 (01:41:09):
Well, you know, you make a lot of valid points,
but again I'm I'll guarantee you his wife is part
of this decision, and she, you know, it's making sure
that he knows that they're never going to make anywhere
near this kind of money, you know, at this at
this stage in his life, or at any time in

(01:41:30):
his life going forward.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
Yeah, Look, if I was, if I was Trey Hendrickson's wife,
which would be interesting. If I was Trey Hendrickson's wife,
I would be encouraging him to come to the Bengals
with alternatives to what they have offered. And if I
was Trey's wife, what I would say is, if push
comes to shove, we're not giving money back. You're going
to be on the field and in uniform for game

(01:41:52):
number one because it's it's stupid in a crusade to
get more money to give back, you know, close to
a million dollars per game. We're not going to do that.
But you know, again, I'm not I appreciate the phone call, Rob,
I'm not. It's unfair for me to, you know, pretend
that I know that much about the dynamic between Trey
and his wife Mike. My basic take all along for

(01:42:15):
six months has been that I think neither side is
necessarily wrong. I could understand why the Bengals view Tray
as a somewhat depreciating asset. I can understand why a
player who's going to turn thirty one at the end
of this season is not somebody that they want to,
you know, give top of the market money to. I
could understand them looking at Trey and going, are we

(01:42:36):
going to want to pay you in twenty twenty six
and twenty twenty seven for the production you were giving
us in twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four. At
the same time, I don't think Tray is necessarily wrong
for looking at the market, seeing how it has changed,
and wanting to be paid more, and wanting to be
paid more a salary more commensurate with his market value.

(01:42:57):
I think it was Joe Goodberry who pointed out that
right now would be like the twentieth highest paid edge
rusher in the NFL. I don't blame Trey at all
for wanting to capitalize on the seasons that he has
had in a Bengals uniform and for wanting to capitalize
on the market exploding, which, by the way, could still
evolve even more depending on what happens with a guy

(01:43:17):
like TJ. Watt. So I don't think either side is wrong.
If you're looking at the top of the market, or
even just beneath the top of the market where Danielle
Jones is, and then what the Bengals have offered, this
is maybe a very basic, sort of rudimentary way of
looking at things. I see middle ground there. I see

(01:43:37):
room for negotiation there. So you cannot convince me it
makes any sense for the Bengals to go. Damn it,
there's our final offer. Trey's got to be happy, and
you can't tell me it makes any sense for Trey
to go. You know what, I want to be the
highest paid guy, which I'm not even sure is a
part of his motivation. What you can convince me is
that there's a lot of room there between what the

(01:43:57):
Bengals have offered him, what Trey is looking for, or
for the two sides to be level headed, to be reasonable,
to have some common sense and come to an agreement.
Like let's just say that is thirty two million dollars.
Let's say it's thirty two mil. Trey would be getting
a one hundred percent pay increase. One hundred percent pay

(01:44:19):
increase that wouldn't put him really close to the top
of the market. So you know, we'll see how reasonable
it requires both sides to be reasonable. You know, I
think the Bengals stance from Katie at the owner's meetings,
which was Trey is just gonna have to be happy.
I don't think that was reasonable. That's telling me in April.
You're negotiating, why would you be negotiating? And the way

(01:44:42):
Trey has handled it, I don't think really accomplishes anything.
I think it kind of makes them look silly. But
I think if both sides are being reasonable between now
in July twenty third, there's time to talk and there's
room to work within to come to an agreement on

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the framework of a deal which gives Trey more and
doesn't have the Bengals giving him the kind of money
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July tenth, the Reds are gonna play a baseball game,
since you know that's what they do. The Miami Marlins
will be the opponent. It's a five to ten first pitch,
early first pitch for a Thursday because there's a postgame
concert featuring the band you just heard that. I just
walked all over Old Dominions part of the Ohio Lottery
postgame concert series. I'll take some money from Ohio Lottery

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for mentioning them. So you got the game, then you
got the concert. By the way, you could still upgrade
for a pitfield pass so you could be right there,
up close to the stage. Just go to Reds dot
com slash concerts. We are testing your knowledge of the
shared history of the Reds and Marlins. Our contestant right
now is Mike Mike, Mike, how you doing. Are you

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ready to go? Are you excited?

Speaker 7 (01:49:13):
Yes?

Speaker 16 (01:49:13):
I am jury for supper?

Speaker 12 (01:49:16):
What did you say being ready for supper?

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
Getting ready for supper? Well done? Very good? All right, Mike,
Mike with what is already a deep cut into the show.
All right, mark you, Mike, you a big Reds fan.
I am a knowledgeable Reds.

Speaker 5 (01:49:31):
Fan for the most part.

Speaker 2 (01:49:34):
Yes, okay, very good. Well, I'm gonna ask you five questions.
Each one of them has to do with the shared
history of the Reds and Marlins, which is somewhat limited
since Miami's franchise started in nineteen ninety three. Five questions
each multiple choice. If you get three of them correct,
you're gonna go to the game. If not, we're gonna
give them to somebody else. Are you excited? And are

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you ready?

Speaker 5 (01:49:58):
I can't be more excited?

Speaker 2 (01:49:59):
I am right now, I can tell all right, Here
we go. Question number one. Kiss Infielder helped the Marlins
win the World Series in nineteen ninety seven, and he
would wind up his career playing in his final big
league season with the Reds in twenty eleven. So he
helped the Marlins the year they won the World Series

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in ninety seven and finished his career as a red
in twenty eleven. Was it a Luis Castillo, B. Jeff
Conine or C. Edgarentaria B Jeff Conine. Gotta get a
B Jeff Conine, Terrance. Jeff Conine did play for the Reds,
and he did play for the Marlins in that World Series,

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But no Edgarentaria The correct answer two time World Series Champion,
World Series MVP Edgarentaria. That's okay, Mike, you just got
to get three of the next four correct? Remain call
him here we go Question number two. This member of
the nineteen ninety Reds World Series team made thirty three
starts on the map for the first ever Marlins team

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in nineteen ninety three. So he was a member of
the Reds in ninety when they won the World Series
and then started thirty three games. He was a pitcher,
starting pitcher thirty three games for the first ever Marlins
team in nineteen ninety three. Was it a Jack Armstrong, B.
Scott Scudder or C. Danny Jackson? Hey A Jack Armstrong. Yes,

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Jack Armstrong All Star for the Reds in nineteen ninety
pitched in the World Series and then lost seventeen games
for the Marlins in nineteen ninety three. All right, here
we go. You've got one out of two. You've got
to get two more. Here's question number three. Two men
Mike have managed both the Reds and the Marlins. One
is Jack mckeham. Who is the other A Loupanela, B,

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Davey Johnson or C. Tony Perez? Is it C Tony Perez?
Very good? Tony Perez? Yes, manage the Reds for a
very short amount of time in nineteen ninety three, and
then manage the Marlins for a very short time amount
of time in two thousand and one. Very good? Two

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out of three? Correct? I get one more? Feeling good?
All right, here we go question number three. Uh, this
two thousand and three National League Rookie of the Year
with the Marlins, spent his final season with the Reds
in twenty eleven, won the NL Rookie of the Year
in three. Finished his career with the Reds in twenty eleven.
Was it a Dontrell willis B? Jeff Conine or C?

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Juan and Carnacion?

Speaker 11 (01:52:37):
What was?

Speaker 2 (01:52:37):
What was B? B? Was Jeff Conine?

Speaker 5 (01:52:41):
Let's go with Jeff?

Speaker 2 (01:52:42):
Is it Jeff Conine, Mike, it's a big Jeff Conin fan.
But no, the answer is Dontrell Willis. The goofy left
hander won the NL Rookie of the Year for the
World Series champion Marlins and three and pitched in Cincinnati
his last year twenty eleven. All right, it all comes
down to this. Are you ready. I'm ready. Let's get
all I like your chances. I think this is easy ish.

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In January of twenty seventeen, the Reds traded their twenty
sixteen pitcher of the Year to the Marlins for this
future staff ace A Anthony D. Sclafani, B Matt Latos
or C Luis Castillo Louis Castio. Can I get a
Louis Castillo? Yes, Mike, and we took all five. We

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had to go the distance, but you got there. You're
going to go to the game a week from Thursday. Congratulations, fantastic,
Thank you, You're very welcome. Hang tight, Tarn will get
your information. If you are not Mike and you still
want to go to the game, We're out of tickets
to give away here, but you could buy them and
you go see the Reds. You go see the Marlins.
By the way, I saw the Reds in Marlins for

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the first time ever in nineteen ninety five. The Reds
lost the game sixteen to four, and the date that
I went with got up to get a hot in
the fifth inning. It never came back. Reds dot Com
slash Concerts. Reds dot Com slash Concerts. I assume she
was okay. I'm gonna guess like nothing bad happened to her.

(01:54:12):
I'm gonna guess she had had her fill of me,
and God knows, you can't blame her for that. Tara
and I briefly heard music there. Does that mean show's over? No,
we got time. We got time. H Well, we'll get
a break in, as we say in the business, and
we'll use that time wisely. Next on ESPN fifteen.

Speaker 10 (01:54:29):
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Speaker 2 (01:55:07):
Reds played the Red Sox tonight. All right, how much
how much time do we have? Darin? About three minutes? Bob,
You're on esp in fifteen thirty. Bob, good afternoon. How
are you?

Speaker 7 (01:55:25):
Hey?

Speaker 5 (01:55:25):
Well, I'm doing great. How about you?

Speaker 2 (01:55:28):
I'm doing well. I'm doing well. Thank you for asking?
What's on your mind?

Speaker 15 (01:55:31):
Yes, sir, well you know what I was just thinking
today about retirement?

Speaker 5 (01:55:34):
Well, how much I like it?

Speaker 2 (01:55:36):
You enjoy it?

Speaker 15 (01:55:37):
And oh I love it. It's the best job I
ever had. And there was a guy who some number
of years ago named Bum Phillips who I think.

Speaker 17 (01:55:47):
Described it best.

Speaker 15 (01:55:50):
There was a guy in Nashville named George Plaster at
a talk radio show that was very popular here, and
he asked Lo after I'm sorry, we ask Bum about
ten years after he retired. He said, Bo, He said, Bum,
what are you doing nowadays? And Bum said, you know what?

Speaker 16 (01:56:10):
He said, I.

Speaker 15 (01:56:11):
Don't do much of nothing nowadays and I don't start.

Speaker 2 (01:56:13):
That till noon.

Speaker 7 (01:56:18):
I like it.

Speaker 15 (01:56:20):
Yes, Hey, if the rents are really in need of
starting pitching. I have two guys that I would love
to send their way, Eric Stetti, Well yeah, you got
the second one. Yeah, Eric Setti and Miles Michael has said.
You know what, I'm not even worried about that inter

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division thing and all that kind of stuff. I just
think it would be great benefits to the to the
team and would would really would really help them, And
I wish they would somehow make that move.

Speaker 5 (01:56:56):
Eric happened for basically nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:56:58):
Yeah, Eric Setti wouldn't coust Eric. He was okay last year.
This year he's not been very good.

Speaker 15 (01:57:04):
Yeah, yeah, he struggled a bit. He he went to
Korea for a year, and I almost wish you would
go back for another year. But there was bo As
you may know, I sell a lot of stuff on eBay,
and I got a an email today from a guy

(01:57:27):
who bought a Baltimore Orioles long sleeve T shirt and yes,
and what was interesting about it was he said that
he's on the flights that fly the Orioles all over
the country.

Speaker 2 (01:57:43):
Really, so he's selling some some gear he got from
the team.

Speaker 15 (01:57:47):
No, no, no, no, no, I'm I'm selling the gear
that he bought, but he he's going to Dallas today
to pick him up. And apparently I guess they're playing
the Braves this week and they're allowing the people on
the flights to wear you know, Baltimore gear or whatever.

(01:58:08):
Pretty cool and yeah, so anyway, I thought about that moment.
I thought about, you know what this guy responded back
to me. And then I talked about the dude last
week this working Eric Church's concert, and I thought, how
lucky I am, and of course with yourself to meet

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all these incredible people, and just how truly lucky I am.

Speaker 2 (01:58:39):
Though, well, it's it's great to feel gratitude, and I
could hear it in your voice. Unfortunately we have to go.

Speaker 5 (01:58:47):
Oh no, I get it, I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:49):
All right, We'll talk to you any time, but we
have to go. Have a great night. Thanks to Tearan
for producing, and God love you for listening. This is
ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Five thousand dollars. That's

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