July 18, 2025 • 38 mins
Kelsey Conway of Cincinnati.com joined us to discuss the Cincinnati Bengals and a myriad of topics as training camp draws closer.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, that's us four minutes after four.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
This is ESPN fifteen thirty Moeger, thanks for listening. Hopefully
your weekend is off to an unbelievable start. Brennanman and
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versus Real Salt Lake tomorrow night. That conversation happens at
(00:26):
five twenty. Bengals training camp begins next week and she's
got to start working now after taking the next last
four months off. Kelsey Conway of the Cincinnati Inquirer, who
covers the Bengals Cincinnati dot Com as well, is with
us for an in studio visit for the hour. It
is awesome to have you. What's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Thank you so much for having me. I love being here.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
What an interesting offseason?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Huh So, there's lots of moving parts to the team
that are not related to Trey Hendrickson's specifically or Shamar Stewart,
and we're going to talk about them, but we have
to start by talking about those two guys. If I
would have said to you on Draft night, that you'll
and not be sitting here on July eighteenth, and the
(01:10):
Bengals first round pick will not have signed, not have practiced,
and by now will be showed showing no signs of
signing or practicing.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
You would have said, what.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
There's no way, But now I'm saying, of course, is
what happened in Cincinnati right with just kind of how
the last couple of years have gone leading up to
training camp. There's no one that could have predicted this
was going to happen, but here we are, and here
we are talking about it for the third month in
a row.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
So, yeah, it doesn't end, it doesn't go away.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Let's start with Trey.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Is there any chance that they get something done between
now and the start of camp.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
I checked in on it this week and there has
been no updates as of.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Just a couple of days ago.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
So the reason I bring that up first before I
answer the question the way you post it is knowing
the Bengals and how some of these things have gone.
I'm looking at Monday night, Tuesday and Wednesday for the movement,
but I don't think anything changes in the next week.
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I am fully anticipating Trey Hendrickson and Shamar Stewart not
to be in camp on Wednesday. Let's just say at
this point I will be surprised. I mean, that would
be great for the Bengals, But knowing enough about both
situations and how things have gone over the last couple
of months, I don't see how it changes simply because
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everybody keeps talking about TJ. Watt and how that deal
if it affects Trey. Of course it does. It's just
more validation of the market. And we've talked about this
a number of times. The Bengals don't view Trey Hendrickson
in the same category as Miles Garrett and TJ.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Watt.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
They don't even view him, I believe, in the same
category as Max Crosby because they haven't offered him those
types of contracts.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
That's how we know that that's not how they view him.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
So to think that the Bengals are going to move
up let's say seven to ten million dollars, I mean
we don't know the final offer as of right now,
but say it's seven or ten million dollars.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
To think that a team.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Is going to move that much in a week before
next Wednesday, I think is unrealistic and so That's why
I don't think that a deal is going to get
worked out by next Wednesday. I could be completely wrong,
but I checked in on it this week. There hadn't
been anything new to report, and I don't really anticipate
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the Bengals being like, ooh, well TJ. Watt signed, So
now we really got to open our checkbook up, right.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, So you talk about like not having a willingness
to move up seven mil right, So the reporting has
been that they've offered him twenty eight. So moving up
just say seven million dollars is to thirty five.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Well, that's kind of right in the middle.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
That's close to where Danielle Hunter is, right, that's like
right in the middle of twenty eight and forty forty one.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
So why can't they move up seven?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I mean to me that like saying they're not going
to move up to seven reflects an amount of inflexibility that,
while I understand their position as it relates to trade,
doesn't make a lot.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Of sense to me.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
So here's you brought up daniel Hunter, and that to
me has been the one that has always been the
most comparable. They don't view Trey Hendrickson as Max Crosby
because of their reasons, right, And I don't know their reasons,
but we know that they don't view him as Max
Crosby because they haven't offered him that type of money.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I believe that if this, if this.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
In March, would have been a conversation and a number
with a three was presented to Trey Hendrickson, and I'm
talking maybe even low threes, like thirty thirty one. Ye,
this would have been done.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Really, Yes, two million dollars more than what they've reportedly
offered him.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Yes, because again, and I've talked about this number of
times on your show, they start too low sometimes and
it just pisses people off because they view that as insulting.
It happened with t Higgins, it happened with Jesse Bates,
you know, it's happened. I think that had the number
been higher, I think Trey would have been willing to
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take a bit of a discount and it could have
gotten done at thirty million dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I think there's a lot of us who believe that
it's almost inevitable that this unfolds in the following way.
He doesn't show up for camp, he's not there for
the preseason and then suddenly that last week there is
movement and he signs the deal right before they go
to Cleveland, and then he's like on a pitch count
before the first game? Is that invalid? Is that unrealistic?
(06:03):
Is that inevitable? What's your thoughts on that?
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Well, of course that's valid to think, right. I mean,
this whole thing's been about money for Trey. So who
wants to sit out and lose a million dollars a
week on top of whatever he's going to lose in
total from training camp.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
It's fifty thousand dollars a day.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
It's a lot of money, and Trey obviously has made
this be about money. But my point to this has
been Trey Hendrickson is one of the most passionate athletes
I've ever covered. You've heard people use the term blackout Trey.
He's emotional and this is very important to him.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
And so what I'm.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Curious is, does does this get so nasty that he says,
you know what, I am willing to sit out a
game because everybody keeps saying he doesn't have leverage, he's
under contract. Sure they have a point there, but I
think the Shemar stuff is helping him even more in
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terms of leverage. And I think that you're going to
get to a point that final week and he's really
going to have a decision to make, And it would
not shock me.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I'm not reporting that he is.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
It would not shock me if he does decide, you
know what, I have the leverage you need me more,
I'm going to sit out a game.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
It's that important to him. Football is really important to him.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, the Shamar Stewart thing. So we're not expecting a
resolution to this in the coming days.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, I can.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
I'm going to check on it again in the final
hours of tonight, but I am ninety nine percent sure
at this time. I can confidently tell you that he
will not be reporting tomorrow with the rest of the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Rookie class and won't come. He's not even in Cincinnati.
He's in Texas.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
He will not be in Cincinnati until talks progress to
the point that he and his representation believe it's time
to leave Texas.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
We think we're close. They are not close at all.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
We hear the language they're they're haggling over language, and
the language is they could void guarantees of certain conditions
aren't met. That basic language to me strikes me as
something that shouldn't require that much negotiation to to resolve.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
But you just use the word and I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I did a video on X for those listening that
want some more understanding and resolution to what's going on
with Shamar, because I know it's kind of complicated to follow.
Negotiation is the issue here, that's why things are stuck.
Shamar Stewart's representation side of things is that, yes, you
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want to implement this new language. Sure other teams have it,
We got it. Everything's covered with that. I know that's
been a popular thing for fans to discuss. Well, you
know this isn't something crazy that the Bengals want.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
It is new to the team.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
So Chamar's side of things is, if you want us
to take this language and set a new precedent with us,
even though we were drafted a spot higher than Amarius
Mimms and Miles Murphy, what are you giving us in return?
And the contract is fully predetermined. We all know that
about first round picks. But they the Bengals could come
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to Shamar and his representation and say we're gonna implement
this new language and in return for you taking this,
We're going to give you your signing bonus in one payment,
and we're going to do that for you so you
feel more confident.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
It's a negotiation.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Take some, get some. Both sides have to meet in
the middle. I can tell you that having talked to
Shamar's side, they would be They're not willing to say
they would one hundred percent take it, but they'd be
more willing to have positive conversations if that was the
message that they were receiving from the Bengals. And right
now it has just been Bengals saying take this or nothing.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, So there is and I've talked about this week.
There is a part of me that wants to say
to Shamar, start your NFL career right, yeah. And if
you really had a burning desire to play in Cincinnati
and prove people wrong that the pick wasn't good to
begin with because of the lack of sex, you know what,
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You've played a game of chicken with the Bengals.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
You've lost. Okay, they've dragged it out this long.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
If you really have a burning desire to play and
play at the highest level this season, you would say, fine,
you beat me, you win the negotiation. I'm coming to camp,
put the contract in front of me. Is that an
unfair way of looking at things?
Speaker 4 (10:42):
No, I And that's why this is such a complex
situation because I can see that side, and I get
that point from Bengals fans, like do you want to
play football here or not?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
But when you've worked your entire life.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
For this one moment, this contract, you don't know if
you're going to get a second contract in the NFL. Sure,
I think that things have gotten so sour. He almost
is like, you know what you have to move before
I do. Again, I think that had things negotiations spend
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a little bit friendlier.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Yeah, It's like he doesn't feel that the team cares
if he's on the field. So his side is, well,
why should I care if you don't care enough to
move on this contract?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Well, why should I go out and sacrifice my body?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Well what's interesting about that to me?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
And we're going to talk about other players on the
team here in a second, but what's interesting about that
to me is he says, you know, the team cares
more about negotiations, winning negotiations than games. I can kind
of say the same thing about him totally like Schamar,
you care more about winning this negotiation than you do
getting on the field and helping the Bengals win.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Absolutely, that side is that side is fair, and that's
why they're stiff right now.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
So how long does this drag out? Are we talking
about just in a month?
Speaker 4 (12:10):
I think that the Bengals will blink on either Schamar
or Trey by the end of training camp.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
By the end of camp, yes so, right before the
season begins, yes.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
So, but another month and a half of this is
what we're saying.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
I think there's no have to have one well right exactly,
and that's why I think that they will get it
figured out with Shamar. I think that one is an
easier solution, and maybe after a week of them listening
to their fans complain and a week of seeing training
camp without him, they are finally like, you know what,
(12:49):
we are going to wait to put this language in
next year, or we're going to give you your signing
bonus fully upfront.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
I don't know what the what the answer here is,
but I think that one of them will get done
before training camp ends. But I think both getting done
before that final preseason game.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
And I will say this last preseason game is the
twenty third.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yes, I will say this.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
The people that are saying Trey Hendrickson doesn't need camp
like they can take their time. Didn't we see that
last year with Jamar Chase.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
These guys need as much.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Practice as they can to get their bodies to the
top shape that they can be in, and the only
way you do that is on field reps. So no,
it shouldn't be just the Bengals, you know, kick their
feet back and just wait until the final week of
the season. Because to win, which the team has struggled
to do in Week one against the team that they've
struggled to be at, the Cleveland Browns, it should be
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of high emphasis for both of these guys.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
To be in training camp as soon as possible.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
One more quickly here, all the second round picks now
want guaranteed money because of what the Texans and Browns
have done. So how is this going to impact Demetrius Knight,
who was also yet unsigned right.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
So checked in on that today and have yet to
hear back on that, So stay tuned on that. But
I believe that he will be more willing to take
whatever the Bengals are giving him to make sure that
he is there tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yeah, than rookies report tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Rookies report tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
So you think between now and tomorrow we could have
a Demetrio. Okay, good, I do, despite there being I'm
sure some Union pressure to be among the second rounders
who are like, dude, give me my full leventeen money.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Actually, let me respond to that a different way. I
think by next Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
By the first day of full squad might not.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Be tomorrow, but because they still needed to see how
some of these players, the ones before him and after,
but the one just after him just signed.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
So it might just take a day or two.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
So don't freak out if it's not done tomorrow, but
if by Monday or Tuesday he is not under contract.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
It's a big yikes.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
All right, I'm going to ask you about players that
are not Shamar Stewart. This is great for Trey Hendrickson
or Dimitrius Night when we come back. Kelsey Conway covering
the Bengals for The Inquirer and Cincinnati dot Com on
Twitter at Kelsey el Conway. She's with us for the hour.
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Speaker 1 (15:52):
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Speaker 3 (15:53):
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Speaker 1 (15:55):
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Speaker 4 (15:56):
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Speaker 2 (16:03):
There is a former I'm trying to figure out the
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and radio personality who years ago was on TV and
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was like flipping around and they stopped on this guy
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Speaker 1 (16:34):
All right. So training camp is going to start.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
We got to start to get answers to questions like,
have they done enough to fix the defense?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Now?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Obviously, try Hendrickson and Shamar Stewart, who I said I
wasn't gonna mention, and Dimitrius Knight. Those three players are
going to have a lot to do with whether or
not that gets answered. But do you think they have
done enough to make the defense league average?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
No?
Speaker 4 (16:57):
I was, and I know that they had an idea
in mind that you were only going to be able
to fix so much in free agency, and the draft
was going to be a big part of their overarching
plan to fix the defense. I just don't think that
they did enough on the defensive line at the edge
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position and even an extra interior defensive tackle spot and
safety and I'll even put corner in there. I think
that the fact that the only two free agent additions
were Orrin Burke and TJ. Slayton on the defensive side
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of the ball in free agency not enough. And and
you know, we knew that they weren't going to be
able when they decided to pay T. Higgins like they
weren't going to be able and to be into like
the Milton Williams sweepstakes, you know, paying twenty plus million.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
That was my dream come true.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Well, you would have had sacrifice t Higgins for that.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
The defense was so bad last year in like so
many critical areas that just thinking that these two people
plugged in are going to fix it.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
T J.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Slaton's going to be a big help in the run game.
But even with Trey Hendrickson, the pass rush wasn't good enough.
So then you draft Shamar Stewart hoping that he can
he can fix that, but he's still a little bit
of a project. Like I think I would have liked
but I think I would have liked to see them
add one one more edge rusher, maybe like a ziz
Ojulari from you know, the Giants, Like one more that
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you knew could maybe get you three or four sacks,
you know, just like get yourself a rotation of five
or six.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Good edge rushers.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
And then we're talking about the edge rusher group, is
we recognized that was an area of weakness. Same thing
with safety. Sure, I think Al Golden's going to make
a couple of these players better. Yeah, but Geno Stone
thinking he's going to be able to consistently dominate for
seventeen games, same as Jordan Battle without any competition. Those
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two positions edge rusher position and the safety ones are
the two for me where I just it's hard for
me to say that they have taken a step forward
on defense because of those two positions.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Here's what I want to know about Genostone. They asked
him to take a pay cut, he said yes. What
if he would have said no? That tells me if
he says no, they have a Plan B behind Genostone.
Why couldn't they keep Geno Stone and add Plan B.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
That's the question.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
And the weirdest thing about it is we haven't heard
Al Golden, Zach Taylor, Douke Toobin talk about Dejon, Anthony
Tyson Anderson. It'd be one thing if they had a
third that they were talking up and they believe it
can be the capable third. We have no idea right
(20:00):
now if Jordan Battle or Genostone got hurt, God forbid
in training camp what they would do there. So it's
just a weird deal that they didn't address it in
the draft or in free agency. Yet of course that
they still could, but I'm not really buying that the
free agent safety class was that bad that.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
You can't have one of them on the roster.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Again, like when we were talking about they made Genostone
take a pay cut. Look, man, I watched Genostone last year.
I'd be cool if that guy's not on the team
this season, like he was awful, but fine, they're showing
confidence in him. But then after they express confidence in
him by not cutting him, they say take a pay cut.
Now to me, if you're asking someone to take a
pay cut and they say no, there has to be
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fallout from that. There has to be a consequence. So
the consequence is, well, Gino, if you don't take the
pay cut, surely it's not. Well, we're bumping Dejon Anthony,
who's played I think seven NFL snaps in safety, we're
bumping him up on the depth Charter Tyson Anderson, who's
never played in the NFL at safety. He's there hadn't
been somebody they were going to sign. Why why couldn't
you still sign that guy?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
And that's that's why it's one of the biggest mysteries.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
And every time we kind of ask about.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
It, it's not really a dressed head on. So it's
something that I planned to ask Duke Tobin and Mike
Brown about next Monday at mock turtle soup because it's
such an important position and we're all still sitting here
wondering what's going to happen there, Like we don't even
have time to talk about the fact that they need
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a veteran corner, you know, in the mix there like
they did last year, but because we're so focused on safety,
because it wasn't fixed and the other areas that weren't fixed.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Well, the thing about corner is I had I think
there's upside with a lot of those guys totally. I
think if there was a position I think you and
I may have talked about this when the season, and
if there was a position where you said, you know what,
run it back with these guys, it was that. I
mean a lot of early round draft choices, players who
have shown glimpses. I think you could have done what
they have done and added I don't think it had
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to be either or right. I would have had no
issue at all if they said Camp Taylor, Britt Josh
Newton at all, these are our corners. We like what
we've done here, but you know what, we're going to
add a veteran to the mix for competition, for insurance policy,
for some reason, the fact that they have left that
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position group go unaddressed. I certainly hope it works out,
and I believe that unit's going to be better because
I'll drink the al golden kool aid.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
But how you don't.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Add one more who's been there before is something that
I've been scratching my head about for months.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Well, it's go back to the Super Bowl year and
the year after when they added Eli Apple.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Sure, when they added him, you were not thinking this
guy could end up being a really important piece. Eli
Apple was a really important piece to what they did
down the stretch. I know, you know, people like to
crack jokes about Eli.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Apple, but if he's your fourth best corner, that's.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Good, right Exactly, a veteran who who had known the system.
How is there not a fourth like the veteran. We're
not saying this person should come in and take Cam
Taylor Britt and DJ Turner and Dax Hills spot.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
But you can't tell me.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
And Dak Taylor says it like, you can never have
too many corners, So why would it not be in
the everybody's best interest? And also it's a really young
room just to have someone from a leadership standpoint, there's
no Mike Hilton there anymore.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
There's no cheeto right problem.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Yeah, it's one of those things where to me, it's
a no brainer and there's nothing that could go bad
if you added another legit veteran cornerback who might be
on his Like let's talk about Stefan Gilmour or someone
like that, you know, who brings a little bit.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Of a swag and just like a respect level.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
I think that that's something that if and they might
be waiting for to see roster cut down weekend.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
You know who gets cut.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
But there are some safeties and corners out there that
are waiting that it's not really adding up why they're
not being added to the team all.
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batting nine. Florence Yawls are home for the Mississippi mud
Monsters and FC Cincinnati en route to Salt Lake City,
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Utah to take on Real Salt Lake tomorrow night at
nine thirty. That match can be heard starting at nine
on ESPN. Fifteen thirty. Kelsey Conway, from the Cincinnati Inquirer
and Cincinnati dot Com is here on the eve of
Bengals rookies reporting to start training camp, which begins in
earnest next Wednesday. We have a lot to talk about. Still,
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you were the one media person who successfully predicted the
Bengals would take Dylan Fairchild. So he's going to be
one of the starting guards, right.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I should add that.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
To my Twitter I mean, good morning football host and
correct Bengals third round draft picker.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
You've got to own your wins man, no doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Yes, it is supposed to be started.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Help me the guy.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Is it a real competition or is no is the
other guard of a spot a real competition?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Right guard?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:51):
I think so. It shouldn't be, but it is.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
It is like a real competition or a competition in name.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
I think it's a real competition in that, I'm not sure.
I think they think Lucas Patrick is gonna be the guy,
but A he needs to get through the training camp
healthy and be like he needs to outright show that.
I think that they like Cody Ford as the swing.
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I think that's the ideal situation for him. But it's so,
it is a competition. Obviously Lucas Patrick is in you know,
in control of it, but I still think he's a
little bit too unproven for us to just go ahead
at this point. Dylan Fairchild, I'm ninety nine percent confident
will be the starting left guard at this point.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Pro Football Focus ranks the Bengals offensive line is second
from worst.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
In the NFL.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Really, Yeah, I found that a little shocking, not shocking.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I found a little surprising.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
That's a bit low for me.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
I could not agree with because.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
We don't need even talk because there's just so many
other things that grab headlines with this team. We don't
even spend enough time talking about how good a Marius
Mims was last year.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I think they have three good offensive linemen. I think
Ted Carris is a fine player who will benefit from
not having to clean up as many messes to his
left and to his right. And I think Orlando Brown
is fine. These might not be all pro caliber players.
When you have those three guys, I think it's almost
it's really hard for me to imagine the line would
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be the second worst than the league.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I agree with that.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
I would have liked to see them do more at
the guard position, no question, to make that so that
we don't have any questions about it. But second worst,
I mean, I think that if you and I were
having this conversation in at the end of January next year,
I think there's going to be a lot of teams
with worse offensive line. I agree than the Banks if
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those five play, you know, the whole season, Like if
we're having to talk about the replacing Orlando Brown, junior.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
You know that would be another.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Story, but I think that's too low. I think that
they we don't know if the guard position. I still
think that they should have added one. And I say
that now like they still should add one in the
next month.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
I think that they could have.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
I know that they said that the guard class wasn't
awesome in free agency, but I still think it goes
back to our thing about like safety and corner Like
the more you have to choose from that have at
least snaps in the NFL, the better. So two second
worst is too low for me.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I mean, you know you mentioned a Marius Mens.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I think we all walked away from his rookie season
going that's a dude, Like that's a building block and
is there still a little experienced gap? Sure, but who
watched him last year and thought they whiffed Nobody?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Nobody?
Speaker 3 (28:52):
He was terrific last season, outstanding.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Are they going to carry four running backs?
Speaker 4 (29:00):
I think so, knowing how this roster has been the
last couple of years.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
The Zach Moss.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Signing to me again this year was a little bit interesting,
just because where is his place with samaj and then Brooks,
Like where is he like where do you see him
taking away snaps? Because they'll tell you, Samaj, we need
him on the field for blocking. And you know he
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knows the system inside and out. So are they going
to be taking him off to put Zack Moss on?
Speaker 3 (29:35):
And then they?
Speaker 4 (29:36):
I think Brooks actually a really good player. I know
he's your favorite player. I think that you don't sign
someone like that in free agency and then cut him.
So I think that will lead us to believe that
all four of them. I mean, they signed Zach and
Smadre like, why would they then turn around and cut them?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
So I do think they will carry for.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
I know Mike Yasiki is technically a tight end, but
he's really the third wide receiver. Absolutely, but let's let's
put him under the tight end category. Okay, then who's
the third wide receiver?
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Andre is enough? It doesn't matter?
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Is it good enough?
Speaker 2 (30:13):
If something happens, including to a guy who has missed
a lot of games in recent.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Years, I think, well, because I want to go two
ways with his answer.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Okay, let's let's say T Higgins had to miss a game. Obviously,
Andrea Yoshabas is not T Higgins.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Do you have Mike Asiki That's how I would answer that.
Then yes, he's fine, all right, fine.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
There's nobody lower on the depth chart that could push
and we like Andrey yoshabas we do. I think there's
a sense among a lot of people he's maybe maximized
his NFL.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Well, I think that's a totally fair point.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
I think that they're missing that fourth and it should
be Burton, right, it should be.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah, you just hope he shows up on the first day.
Let's bay stuff.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
I do think that they're missing that up and coming dude,
like a third round pick. I mean, like we're still
talking about what does Charlie Jones bring to the table. Yeah,
like they're missing that fourth or fifth receiver who maybe
was taken in the lower rounds or maybe you took
him in the third or fourth round.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
That's like super.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Dynamic that they have something you know you're going to
get out of them, even if they need to build
the rest of their skill set.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
I think that is a conversation.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Do they have that young and up and coming guy
And I think to them, they're like, well, we don't
need it.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
But I see what.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
You're saying with if t Higgins or Jamar Chase is
out who's their third receiver?
Speaker 3 (31:43):
And is that good enough?
Speaker 4 (31:45):
And I just think if they have Mike is Sicky
and at least one of Jamar and Tea and you
can sprinkle in some Yoshi, I think that's okay. But
I would like to see them have a really solid four.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
I'm rooting for Jermaine Burton because I'm a human being
and I root for human beings. I asked the root
for cool stories, and I think it would be I've
said this to some of your peers, like, there would
be nothing neater than to have somebody have written the
Jermaine Burton story at the end of the year, where
you go, this guy was a total screw up on
the verge of, you know, maybe not being an NFL player,
and he figured it out and he got his life
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together and he came to work and they found a
way to use him special teams in the offense, and
he ended up being a productive member of this team.
I unfortunately, because I defer to your track record, I'm
not betting on that happening, but I'm rooting for it too.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Well, just quickly, I wanted to point out the story
because I think it's important to talk about good things
when they happened. Draft weekend, I was the Bengals allow
us to use their cafeteria and I got to the
facility early on a Saturday. The draft starts early on
a Saturday. And I was only one in there and
Jermaine was in there and we were both waiting at
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the grill line. And I looked at him and I'm like, Heydmaine,
how you doing And he's like, good, how are you?
And I was like, oh, you're here on a Saturday.
And he looked at me and he was like, got
to keep the schedule the same. And it was the
most he's ever talked to me, and he had been
there for a full season, looked so much more engaged, confident,
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and just like almost at peace. And I just think
it's important to bring that up because it seems like
he's made some strides and I know, just like Joe
Burrow says, sure, you know, he's got to keep doing it.
But I just I got to start. Someone wanted to
bring up that story because it seems like the things
that he's doing to try and help him be able
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to execute what the Bengals want from him and to
be able to get him in the best position to
be able to succeed. It seems like he's doing some
things that have helped change him and I just wanted
to tell that story.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
That's good because it does.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
It does have to start somewhere, and he has earned
all these skepticism that's going to come his way as
it relates to his place on this team, But it
does have to start somewhere. One more last year, Evan
McPherson was six of twelve forty plus.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Is that going to be rectified?
Speaker 4 (34:13):
We are not talking about that piece. Enough has to be,
has to be.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Because if not, he's just another kicker, right, He's not
a weapon.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Well, and we talked to Darren Simmons a lot about
it at the combine and his big point to us
was he really felt like the operation Yeah Long Snapper
Holder wasn't good enough and that Evan really needs consistency
and for the first time in three years, they're going
to have the same right, you know. And he seemed
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to think that, in addition to some things that Evan
needed to fix on his own, that is really going
to help Evan's production. But it is absolutely one of
the five biggest storylines for this team is what is
Evan McPherson going to be?
Speaker 3 (35:03):
And did we see the best of him? You hope not, But.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah, he's a lot to prove.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
He was drafted, when he was drafted and became what
he became. Look, he made clutch kicks. That goes without saying,
but it was, here's a weapon you could use, and
we can bring this guy in the field to bang
home a fifty four yarder instead of going forward on
fourth and six. It informs how you call plays, It
informs how you game plan. Like in the absence of
being able to do that, he's just a regular kicker.
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They didn't draft him and extend him to be a
regular kicker.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Can I ask you, if you were in charge of
the team, would you bring in competition for.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Of course, I don't think. I don't think Evan McPherson.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I don't think any player should be ever immune to
having somebody compete with them, particularly a kicker. Right now,
I would hope Evan would beat the kicker out right,
that's the idea they've invested in him. I mean, he's
meant a lot to this franchise, But I a player
who in their position performed similar to the way Evan
McPherson performed in his last year, would probably have competition brought.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
In from outside.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Well, and look what happened at the punter spot right, Yeah,
you you didn't know anything about Ryan Ricco and then
he beat out Chrishman and long, look they got a
decent punter out of it. A competition could help at
every position, and maybe it could year well, and maybe
it could just bring out an edge and Evan, like
Evan is so happy, go lucky, and I don't think
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i've ever seen Evan McPherson have a bad day.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
And yes, but you know, maybe.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
It could bring out the edge and him and get
him back to whatever he needs from a mental standpoint,
I think that it would benefit him to just bring
in another kicker. Like you said, you're expecting Evan to
beat him out, but I'd bring in competition, and I
think that Evan McPherson and you won't be able to
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gauge it during PRECS. Sure, Evan McPherson is on a
big storyline for this year.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
I was talking with a buddy of mine yesterday and
I said, I was going to bring this up to
you because it is the part of the off season.
You know, there's always the cliche like nobody's talking about this. Literally,
haven't heard anybody ask about Evan McPherson since he got hurt.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
At the end of last year. Yeah, so it's it's
got to get better. I can thank you enough for
doing this.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
We bother you periodically during the course of the season,
and we'll do that.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Do you like mock turtle soup?
Speaker 3 (37:29):
No, okay, I.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Don't know anybody who actually does. You're a picky eater,
so I guess the answer was going to be no.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Sherbert. Sure, it's a three course meal. Situations. Who we get.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Amazing Sherbert sounds good? Who doesn't like Sherbert? Well, enjoy
the Sherbert And UH can't thank you enough. I'm sure
we'll talk during training camp and we'll we'll be there.
We're broadcasting from training camp.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
It's going to be exciting. I don't really know. I
don't know how it's gonna work, but it's gonna be exciting.
It's gonna be fun. I've wanted to do this for years,
so we can't wait.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Awesome.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Kelsey Conway read her work in the Cincinnati Inquirer and
Cincinnati dot Com and follow her on Twitter at Kelsey
L Conway.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
And when are you gonna be on Good Morning Football again?
Speaker 3 (38:13):
I don't know. I hope so, I hope they asked
me back. Yeah, I would love it.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
It was a great experience, so grateful that I got
the opportunity to do it.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
So I think it would really help if the Bagels.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Went I run, Yeah, then maybe they'd be more willing.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
To have me on.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I like that NFL network.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
It's a shout out Jamie art All. She's an awesome host.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
She does very good job hosting that show, no question
about it. All right. Brendanman and Jones on Baseball is
next on ESPN fifteen thirty
All right, that's us four minutes after four.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
This is ESPN fifteen thirty Moeger, thanks for listening. Hopefully
your weekend is off to an unbelievable start. Brennanman and
Jones on baseball In just about forty five minutes. Max
Bredtoss from NLS Season Pass on Apple TV is going
to join us at five twenty. He has FC Cincinnati
versus Real Salt Lake tomorrow night. That conversation happens at
(00:26):
five twenty. Bengals training camp begins next week and she's
got to start working now after taking the next last
four months off. Kelsey Conway of the Cincinnati Inquirer, who
covers the Bengals Cincinnati dot Com as well, is with
us for an in studio visit for the hour. It
is awesome to have you. What's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Thank you so much for having me. I love being here.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
What an interesting offseason?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Huh So, there's lots of moving parts to the team
that are not related to Trey Hendrickson's specifically or Shamar Stewart,
and we're going to talk about them, but we have
to start by talking about those two guys. If I
would have said to you on Draft night, that you'll
and not be sitting here on July eighteenth, and the
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Bengals first round pick will not have signed, not have practiced,
and by now will be showed showing no signs of
signing or practicing.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
You would have said, what.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
There's no way, But now I'm saying, of course, is
what happened in Cincinnati right with just kind of how
the last couple of years have gone leading up to
training camp. There's no one that could have predicted this
was going to happen, but here we are, and here
we are talking about it for the third month in
a row.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
So, yeah, it doesn't end, it doesn't go away.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Let's start with Trey.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Is there any chance that they get something done between
now and the start of camp.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
I checked in on it this week and there has
been no updates as of.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Just a couple of days ago.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
So the reason I bring that up first before I
answer the question the way you post it is knowing
the Bengals and how some of these things have gone.
I'm looking at Monday night, Tuesday and Wednesday for the movement,
but I don't think anything changes in the next week.
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I am fully anticipating Trey Hendrickson and Shamar Stewart not
to be in camp on Wednesday. Let's just say at
this point I will be surprised. I mean, that would
be great for the Bengals, But knowing enough about both
situations and how things have gone over the last couple
of months, I don't see how it changes simply because
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everybody keeps talking about TJ. Watt and how that deal
if it affects Trey. Of course it does. It's just
more validation of the market. And we've talked about this
a number of times. The Bengals don't view Trey Hendrickson
in the same category as Miles Garrett and TJ.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Watt.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
They don't even view him, I believe, in the same
category as Max Crosby because they haven't offered him those
types of contracts.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
That's how we know that that's not how they view him.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
So to think that the Bengals are going to move
up let's say seven to ten million dollars, I mean
we don't know the final offer as of right now,
but say it's seven or ten million dollars.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
To think that a team.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Is going to move that much in a week before
next Wednesday, I think is unrealistic and so That's why
I don't think that a deal is going to get
worked out by next Wednesday. I could be completely wrong,
but I checked in on it this week. There hadn't
been anything new to report, and I don't really anticipate
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the Bengals being like, ooh, well TJ. Watt signed, So
now we really got to open our checkbook up, right.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, So you talk about like not having a willingness
to move up seven mil right, So the reporting has
been that they've offered him twenty eight. So moving up
just say seven million dollars is to thirty five.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Well, that's kind of right in the middle.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
That's close to where Danielle Hunter is, right, that's like
right in the middle of twenty eight and forty forty one.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
So why can't they move up seven?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I mean to me that like saying they're not going
to move up to seven reflects an amount of inflexibility that,
while I understand their position as it relates to trade,
doesn't make a lot.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Of sense to me.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
So here's you brought up daniel Hunter, and that to
me has been the one that has always been the
most comparable. They don't view Trey Hendrickson as Max Crosby
because of their reasons, right, And I don't know their reasons,
but we know that they don't view him as Max
Crosby because they haven't offered him that type of money.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I believe that if this, if this.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
In March, would have been a conversation and a number
with a three was presented to Trey Hendrickson, and I'm
talking maybe even low threes, like thirty thirty one. Ye,
this would have been done.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Really, Yes, two million dollars more than what they've reportedly
offered him.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Yes, because again, and I've talked about this number of
times on your show, they start too low sometimes and
it just pisses people off because they view that as insulting.
It happened with t Higgins, it happened with Jesse Bates,
you know, it's happened. I think that had the number
been higher, I think Trey would have been willing to
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take a bit of a discount and it could have
gotten done at thirty million dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I think there's a lot of us who believe that
it's almost inevitable that this unfolds in the following way.
He doesn't show up for camp, he's not there for
the preseason and then suddenly that last week there is
movement and he signs the deal right before they go
to Cleveland, and then he's like on a pitch count
before the first game? Is that invalid? Is that unrealistic?
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Is that inevitable? What's your thoughts on that?
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Well, of course that's valid to think, right. I mean,
this whole thing's been about money for Trey. So who
wants to sit out and lose a million dollars a
week on top of whatever he's going to lose in
total from training camp.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
It's fifty thousand dollars a day.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
It's a lot of money, and Trey obviously has made
this be about money. But my point to this has
been Trey Hendrickson is one of the most passionate athletes
I've ever covered. You've heard people use the term blackout Trey.
He's emotional and this is very important to him.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
And so what I'm.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Curious is, does does this get so nasty that he says,
you know what, I am willing to sit out a
game because everybody keeps saying he doesn't have leverage, he's
under contract. Sure they have a point there, but I
think the Shemar stuff is helping him even more in
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terms of leverage. And I think that you're going to
get to a point that final week and he's really
going to have a decision to make, And it would
not shock me.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I'm not reporting that he is.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
It would not shock me if he does decide, you
know what, I have the leverage you need me more,
I'm going to sit out a game.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
It's that important to him. Football is really important to him.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, the Shamar Stewart thing. So we're not expecting a
resolution to this in the coming days.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, I can.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
I'm going to check on it again in the final
hours of tonight, but I am ninety nine percent sure
at this time. I can confidently tell you that he
will not be reporting tomorrow with the rest of the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Rookie class and won't come. He's not even in Cincinnati.
He's in Texas.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
He will not be in Cincinnati until talks progress to
the point that he and his representation believe it's time
to leave Texas.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
We think we're close. They are not close at all.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
We hear the language they're they're haggling over language, and
the language is they could void guarantees of certain conditions
aren't met. That basic language to me strikes me as
something that shouldn't require that much negotiation to to resolve.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
But you just use the word and I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I did a video on X for those listening that
want some more understanding and resolution to what's going on
with Shamar, because I know it's kind of complicated to follow.
Negotiation is the issue here, that's why things are stuck.
Shamar Stewart's representation side of things is that, yes, you
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want to implement this new language. Sure other teams have it,
We got it. Everything's covered with that. I know that's
been a popular thing for fans to discuss. Well, you
know this isn't something crazy that the Bengals want.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
It is new to the team.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
So Chamar's side of things is, if you want us
to take this language and set a new precedent with us,
even though we were drafted a spot higher than Amarius
Mimms and Miles Murphy, what are you giving us in return?
And the contract is fully predetermined. We all know that
about first round picks. But they the Bengals could come
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to Shamar and his representation and say we're gonna implement
this new language and in return for you taking this,
We're going to give you your signing bonus in one payment,
and we're going to do that for you so you
feel more confident.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
It's a negotiation.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Take some, get some. Both sides have to meet in
the middle. I can tell you that having talked to
Shamar's side, they would be They're not willing to say
they would one hundred percent take it, but they'd be
more willing to have positive conversations if that was the
message that they were receiving from the Bengals. And right
now it has just been Bengals saying take this or nothing.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, So there is and I've talked about this week.
There is a part of me that wants to say
to Shamar, start your NFL career right, yeah. And if
you really had a burning desire to play in Cincinnati
and prove people wrong that the pick wasn't good to
begin with because of the lack of sex, you know what,
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You've played a game of chicken with the Bengals.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
You've lost. Okay, they've dragged it out this long.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
If you really have a burning desire to play and
play at the highest level this season, you would say, fine,
you beat me, you win the negotiation. I'm coming to camp,
put the contract in front of me. Is that an
unfair way of looking at things?
Speaker 4 (10:42):
No, I And that's why this is such a complex
situation because I can see that side, and I get
that point from Bengals fans, like do you want to
play football here or not?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
But when you've worked your entire life.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
For this one moment, this contract, you don't know if
you're going to get a second contract in the NFL. Sure,
I think that things have gotten so sour. He almost
is like, you know what you have to move before
I do. Again, I think that had things negotiations spend
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a little bit friendlier.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Yeah, It's like he doesn't feel that the team cares
if he's on the field. So his side is, well,
why should I care if you don't care enough to
move on this contract?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Well, why should I go out and sacrifice my body?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Well what's interesting about that to me?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
And we're going to talk about other players on the
team here in a second, but what's interesting about that
to me is he says, you know, the team cares
more about negotiations, winning negotiations than games. I can kind
of say the same thing about him totally like Schamar,
you care more about winning this negotiation than you do
getting on the field and helping the Bengals win.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Absolutely, that side is that side is fair, and that's
why they're stiff right now.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
So how long does this drag out? Are we talking
about just in a month?
Speaker 4 (12:10):
I think that the Bengals will blink on either Schamar
or Trey by the end of training camp.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
By the end of camp, yes so, right before the
season begins, yes.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
So, but another month and a half of this is
what we're saying.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
I think there's no have to have one well right exactly,
and that's why I think that they will get it
figured out with Shamar. I think that one is an
easier solution, and maybe after a week of them listening
to their fans complain and a week of seeing training
camp without him, they are finally like, you know what,
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we are going to wait to put this language in
next year, or we're going to give you your signing
bonus fully upfront.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
I don't know what the what the answer here is,
but I think that one of them will get done
before training camp ends. But I think both getting done
before that final preseason game.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
And I will say this last preseason game is the
twenty third.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yes, I will say this.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
The people that are saying Trey Hendrickson doesn't need camp
like they can take their time. Didn't we see that
last year with Jamar Chase.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
These guys need as much.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Practice as they can to get their bodies to the
top shape that they can be in, and the only
way you do that is on field reps. So no,
it shouldn't be just the Bengals, you know, kick their
feet back and just wait until the final week of
the season. Because to win, which the team has struggled
to do in Week one against the team that they've
struggled to be at, the Cleveland Browns, it should be
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of high emphasis for both of these guys.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
To be in training camp as soon as possible.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
One more quickly here, all the second round picks now
want guaranteed money because of what the Texans and Browns
have done. So how is this going to impact Demetrius Knight,
who was also yet unsigned right.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
So checked in on that today and have yet to
hear back on that, So stay tuned on that. But
I believe that he will be more willing to take
whatever the Bengals are giving him to make sure that
he is there tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yeah, than rookies report tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Rookies report tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
So you think between now and tomorrow we could have
a Demetrio. Okay, good, I do, despite there being I'm
sure some Union pressure to be among the second rounders
who are like, dude, give me my full leventeen money.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Actually, let me respond to that a different way. I
think by next Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
By the first day of full squad might not.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Be tomorrow, but because they still needed to see how
some of these players, the ones before him and after,
but the one just after him just signed.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
So it might just take a day or two.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
So don't freak out if it's not done tomorrow, but
if by Monday or Tuesday he is not under contract.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
It's a big yikes.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
All right, I'm going to ask you about players that
are not Shamar Stewart. This is great for Trey Hendrickson
or Dimitrius Night when we come back. Kelsey Conway covering
the Bengals for The Inquirer and Cincinnati dot Com on
Twitter at Kelsey el Conway. She's with us for the hour.
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Speaker 1 (15:52):
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Speaker 3 (15:53):
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Speaker 4 (15:56):
People do like Emmy Award winning TV host? You know
there is a one.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
There is a former I'm trying to figure out the
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David Letterman. So if he could do that, you could
do Good Morning Football. Yeah, yeah, no question about it.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
All right. So training camp is going to start.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
We got to start to get answers to questions like,
have they done enough to fix the defense?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Now?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Obviously, try Hendrickson and Shamar Stewart, who I said I
wasn't gonna mention, and Dimitrius Knight. Those three players are
going to have a lot to do with whether or
not that gets answered. But do you think they have
done enough to make the defense league average?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
No?
Speaker 4 (16:57):
I was, and I know that they had an idea
in mind that you were only going to be able
to fix so much in free agency, and the draft
was going to be a big part of their overarching
plan to fix the defense. I just don't think that
they did enough on the defensive line at the edge
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position and even an extra interior defensive tackle spot and
safety and I'll even put corner in there. I think
that the fact that the only two free agent additions
were Orrin Burke and TJ. Slayton on the defensive side
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of the ball in free agency not enough. And and
you know, we knew that they weren't going to be
able when they decided to pay T. Higgins like they
weren't going to be able and to be into like
the Milton Williams sweepstakes, you know, paying twenty plus million.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
That was my dream come true.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Well, you would have had sacrifice t Higgins for that.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
The defense was so bad last year in like so
many critical areas that just thinking that these two people
plugged in are going to fix it.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
T J.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Slaton's going to be a big help in the run game.
But even with Trey Hendrickson, the pass rush wasn't good enough.
So then you draft Shamar Stewart hoping that he can
he can fix that, but he's still a little bit
of a project. Like I think I would have liked
but I think I would have liked to see them
add one one more edge rusher, maybe like a ziz
Ojulari from you know, the Giants, Like one more that
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you knew could maybe get you three or four sacks,
you know, just like get yourself a rotation of five
or six.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Good edge rushers.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
And then we're talking about the edge rusher group, is
we recognized that was an area of weakness. Same thing
with safety. Sure, I think Al Golden's going to make
a couple of these players better. Yeah, but Geno Stone
thinking he's going to be able to consistently dominate for
seventeen games, same as Jordan Battle without any competition. Those
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two positions edge rusher position and the safety ones are
the two for me where I just it's hard for
me to say that they have taken a step forward
on defense because of those two positions.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Here's what I want to know about Genostone. They asked
him to take a pay cut, he said yes. What
if he would have said no? That tells me if
he says no, they have a Plan B behind Genostone.
Why couldn't they keep Geno Stone and add Plan B.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
That's the question.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
And the weirdest thing about it is we haven't heard
Al Golden, Zach Taylor, Douke Toobin talk about Dejon, Anthony
Tyson Anderson. It'd be one thing if they had a
third that they were talking up and they believe it
can be the capable third. We have no idea right
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now if Jordan Battle or Genostone got hurt, God forbid
in training camp what they would do there. So it's
just a weird deal that they didn't address it in
the draft or in free agency. Yet of course that
they still could, but I'm not really buying that the
free agent safety class was that bad that.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
You can't have one of them on the roster.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Again, like when we were talking about they made Genostone
take a pay cut. Look, man, I watched Genostone last year.
I'd be cool if that guy's not on the team
this season, like he was awful, but fine, they're showing
confidence in him. But then after they express confidence in
him by not cutting him, they say take a pay cut.
Now to me, if you're asking someone to take a
pay cut and they say no, there has to be
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fallout from that. There has to be a consequence. So
the consequence is, well, Gino, if you don't take the
pay cut, surely it's not. Well, we're bumping Dejon Anthony,
who's played I think seven NFL snaps in safety, we're
bumping him up on the depth Charter Tyson Anderson, who's
never played in the NFL at safety. He's there hadn't
been somebody they were going to sign. Why why couldn't
you still sign that guy?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
And that's that's why it's one of the biggest mysteries.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
And every time we kind of ask about.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
It, it's not really a dressed head on. So it's
something that I planned to ask Duke Tobin and Mike
Brown about next Monday at mock turtle soup because it's
such an important position and we're all still sitting here
wondering what's going to happen there, Like we don't even
have time to talk about the fact that they need
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a veteran corner, you know, in the mix there like
they did last year, but because we're so focused on safety,
because it wasn't fixed and the other areas that weren't fixed.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Well, the thing about corner is I had I think
there's upside with a lot of those guys totally. I
think if there was a position I think you and
I may have talked about this when the season, and
if there was a position where you said, you know what,
run it back with these guys, it was that. I
mean a lot of early round draft choices, players who
have shown glimpses. I think you could have done what
they have done and added I don't think it had
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to be either or right. I would have had no
issue at all if they said Camp Taylor, Britt Josh
Newton at all, these are our corners. We like what
we've done here, but you know what, we're going to
add a veteran to the mix for competition, for insurance policy,
for some reason, the fact that they have left that
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position group go unaddressed. I certainly hope it works out,
and I believe that unit's going to be better because
I'll drink the al golden kool aid.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
But how you don't.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Add one more who's been there before is something that
I've been scratching my head about for months.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Well, it's go back to the Super Bowl year and
the year after when they added Eli Apple.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Sure, when they added him, you were not thinking this
guy could end up being a really important piece. Eli
Apple was a really important piece to what they did
down the stretch. I know, you know, people like to
crack jokes about Eli.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Apple, but if he's your fourth best corner, that's.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Good, right Exactly, a veteran who who had known the system.
How is there not a fourth like the veteran. We're
not saying this person should come in and take Cam
Taylor Britt and DJ Turner and Dax Hills spot.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
But you can't tell me.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
And Dak Taylor says it like, you can never have
too many corners, So why would it not be in
the everybody's best interest? And also it's a really young
room just to have someone from a leadership standpoint, there's
no Mike Hilton there anymore.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
There's no cheeto right problem.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Yeah, it's one of those things where to me, it's
a no brainer and there's nothing that could go bad
if you added another legit veteran cornerback who might be
on his Like let's talk about Stefan Gilmour or someone
like that, you know, who brings a little bit.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Of a swag and just like a respect level.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
I think that that's something that if and they might
be waiting for to see roster cut down weekend.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
You know who gets cut.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
But there are some safeties and corners out there that
are waiting that it's not really adding up why they're
not being added to the team all.
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and Cincinnati dot Com is here on the eve of
Bengals rookies reporting to start training camp, which begins in
earnest next Wednesday. We have a lot to talk about. Still,
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you were the one media person who successfully predicted the
Bengals would take Dylan Fairchild. So he's going to be
one of the starting guards, right.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I should add that.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
To my Twitter I mean, good morning football host and
correct Bengals third round draft picker.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
You've got to own your wins man, no doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Yes, it is supposed to be started.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Help me the guy.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Is it a real competition or is no is the
other guard of a spot a real competition?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Right guard?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:51):
I think so. It shouldn't be, but it is.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
It is like a real competition or a competition in name.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
I think it's a real competition in that, I'm not sure.
I think they think Lucas Patrick is gonna be the guy,
but A he needs to get through the training camp
healthy and be like he needs to outright show that.
I think that they like Cody Ford as the swing.
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I think that's the ideal situation for him. But it's so,
it is a competition. Obviously Lucas Patrick is in you know,
in control of it, but I still think he's a
little bit too unproven for us to just go ahead
at this point. Dylan Fairchild, I'm ninety nine percent confident
will be the starting left guard at this point.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Pro Football Focus ranks the Bengals offensive line is second
from worst.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
In the NFL.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Really, Yeah, I found that a little shocking, not shocking.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I found a little surprising.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
That's a bit low for me.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
I could not agree with because.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
We don't need even talk because there's just so many
other things that grab headlines with this team. We don't
even spend enough time talking about how good a Marius
Mims was last year.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I think they have three good offensive linemen. I think
Ted Carris is a fine player who will benefit from
not having to clean up as many messes to his
left and to his right. And I think Orlando Brown
is fine. These might not be all pro caliber players.
When you have those three guys, I think it's almost
it's really hard for me to imagine the line would
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be the second worst than the league.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I agree with that.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
I would have liked to see them do more at
the guard position, no question, to make that so that
we don't have any questions about it. But second worst,
I mean, I think that if you and I were
having this conversation in at the end of January next year,
I think there's going to be a lot of teams
with worse offensive line. I agree than the Banks if
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those five play, you know, the whole season, Like if
we're having to talk about the replacing Orlando Brown, junior.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
You know that would be another.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Story, but I think that's too low. I think that
they we don't know if the guard position. I still
think that they should have added one. And I say
that now like they still should add one in the
next month.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
I think that they could have.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
I know that they said that the guard class wasn't
awesome in free agency, but I still think it goes
back to our thing about like safety and corner Like
the more you have to choose from that have at
least snaps in the NFL, the better. So two second
worst is too low for me.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I mean, you know you mentioned a Marius Mens.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I think we all walked away from his rookie season
going that's a dude, Like that's a building block and
is there still a little experienced gap? Sure, but who
watched him last year and thought they whiffed Nobody?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Nobody?
Speaker 3 (28:52):
He was terrific last season, outstanding.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Are they going to carry four running backs?
Speaker 4 (29:00):
I think so, knowing how this roster has been the
last couple of years.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
The Zach Moss.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Signing to me again this year was a little bit interesting,
just because where is his place with samaj and then Brooks,
Like where is he like where do you see him
taking away snaps? Because they'll tell you, Samaj, we need
him on the field for blocking. And you know he
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knows the system inside and out. So are they going
to be taking him off to put Zack Moss on?
Speaker 3 (29:35):
And then they?
Speaker 4 (29:36):
I think Brooks actually a really good player. I know
he's your favorite player. I think that you don't sign
someone like that in free agency and then cut him.
So I think that will lead us to believe that
all four of them. I mean, they signed Zach and
Smadre like, why would they then turn around and cut them?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
So I do think they will carry for.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
I know Mike Yasiki is technically a tight end, but
he's really the third wide receiver. Absolutely, but let's let's
put him under the tight end category. Okay, then who's
the third wide receiver?
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Andre is enough? It doesn't matter?
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Is it good enough?
Speaker 2 (30:13):
If something happens, including to a guy who has missed
a lot of games in recent.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Years, I think, well, because I want to go two
ways with his answer.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Okay, let's let's say T Higgins had to miss a game. Obviously,
Andrea Yoshabas is not T Higgins.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Do you have Mike Asiki That's how I would answer that.
Then yes, he's fine, all right, fine.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
There's nobody lower on the depth chart that could push
and we like Andrey yoshabas we do. I think there's
a sense among a lot of people he's maybe maximized
his NFL.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Well, I think that's a totally fair point.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
I think that they're missing that fourth and it should
be Burton, right, it should be.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah, you just hope he shows up on the first day.
Let's bay stuff.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
I do think that they're missing that up and coming dude,
like a third round pick. I mean, like we're still
talking about what does Charlie Jones bring to the table. Yeah,
like they're missing that fourth or fifth receiver who maybe
was taken in the lower rounds or maybe you took
him in the third or fourth round.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
That's like super.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Dynamic that they have something you know you're going to
get out of them, even if they need to build
the rest of their skill set.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
I think that is a conversation.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Do they have that young and up and coming guy
And I think to them, they're like, well, we don't
need it.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
But I see what.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
You're saying with if t Higgins or Jamar Chase is
out who's their third receiver?
Speaker 3 (31:43):
And is that good enough?
Speaker 4 (31:45):
And I just think if they have Mike is Sicky
and at least one of Jamar and Tea and you
can sprinkle in some Yoshi, I think that's okay. But
I would like to see them have a really solid four.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
I'm rooting for Jermaine Burton because I'm a human being
and I root for human beings. I asked the root
for cool stories, and I think it would be I've
said this to some of your peers, like, there would
be nothing neater than to have somebody have written the
Jermaine Burton story at the end of the year, where
you go, this guy was a total screw up on
the verge of, you know, maybe not being an NFL player,
and he figured it out and he got his life
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together and he came to work and they found a
way to use him special teams in the offense, and
he ended up being a productive member of this team.
I unfortunately, because I defer to your track record, I'm
not betting on that happening, but I'm rooting for it too.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Well, just quickly, I wanted to point out the story
because I think it's important to talk about good things
when they happened. Draft weekend, I was the Bengals allow
us to use their cafeteria and I got to the
facility early on a Saturday. The draft starts early on
a Saturday. And I was only one in there and
Jermaine was in there and we were both waiting at
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the grill line. And I looked at him and I'm like, Heydmaine,
how you doing And he's like, good, how are you?
And I was like, oh, you're here on a Saturday.
And he looked at me and he was like, got
to keep the schedule the same. And it was the
most he's ever talked to me, and he had been
there for a full season, looked so much more engaged, confident,
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and just like almost at peace. And I just think
it's important to bring that up because it seems like
he's made some strides and I know, just like Joe
Burrow says, sure, you know, he's got to keep doing it.
But I just I got to start. Someone wanted to
bring up that story because it seems like the things
that he's doing to try and help him be able
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to execute what the Bengals want from him and to
be able to get him in the best position to
be able to succeed. It seems like he's doing some
things that have helped change him and I just wanted
to tell that story.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
That's good because it does.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
It does have to start somewhere, and he has earned
all these skepticism that's going to come his way as
it relates to his place on this team, But it
does have to start somewhere. One more last year, Evan
McPherson was six of twelve forty plus.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Is that going to be rectified?
Speaker 4 (34:13):
We are not talking about that piece. Enough has to be,
has to be.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Because if not, he's just another kicker, right, He's not
a weapon.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Well, and we talked to Darren Simmons a lot about
it at the combine and his big point to us
was he really felt like the operation Yeah Long Snapper
Holder wasn't good enough and that Evan really needs consistency
and for the first time in three years, they're going
to have the same right, you know. And he seemed
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to think that, in addition to some things that Evan
needed to fix on his own, that is really going
to help Evan's production. But it is absolutely one of
the five biggest storylines for this team is what is
Evan McPherson going to be?
Speaker 3 (35:03):
And did we see the best of him? You hope not, But.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah, he's a lot to prove.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
He was drafted, when he was drafted and became what
he became. Look, he made clutch kicks. That goes without saying,
but it was, here's a weapon you could use, and
we can bring this guy in the field to bang
home a fifty four yarder instead of going forward on
fourth and six. It informs how you call plays, It
informs how you game plan. Like in the absence of
being able to do that, he's just a regular kicker.
(35:30):
They didn't draft him and extend him to be a
regular kicker.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Can I ask you, if you were in charge of
the team, would you bring in competition for.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Of course, I don't think. I don't think Evan McPherson.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I don't think any player should be ever immune to
having somebody compete with them, particularly a kicker. Right now,
I would hope Evan would beat the kicker out right,
that's the idea they've invested in him. I mean, he's
meant a lot to this franchise, But I a player
who in their position performed similar to the way Evan
McPherson performed in his last year, would probably have competition brought.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
In from outside.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Well, and look what happened at the punter spot right, Yeah,
you you didn't know anything about Ryan Ricco and then
he beat out Chrishman and long, look they got a
decent punter out of it. A competition could help at
every position, and maybe it could year well, and maybe
it could just bring out an edge and Evan, like
Evan is so happy, go lucky, and I don't think
(36:30):
i've ever seen Evan McPherson have a bad day.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
And yes, but you know, maybe.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
It could bring out the edge and him and get
him back to whatever he needs from a mental standpoint,
I think that it would benefit him to just bring
in another kicker. Like you said, you're expecting Evan to
beat him out, but I'd bring in competition, and I
think that Evan McPherson and you won't be able to
(36:58):
gauge it during PRECS. Sure, Evan McPherson is on a
big storyline for this year.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
I was talking with a buddy of mine yesterday and
I said, I was going to bring this up to
you because it is the part of the off season.
You know, there's always the cliche like nobody's talking about this. Literally,
haven't heard anybody ask about Evan McPherson since he got hurt.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
At the end of last year. Yeah, so it's it's
got to get better. I can thank you enough for
doing this.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
We bother you periodically during the course of the season,
and we'll do that.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Do you like mock turtle soup?
Speaker 3 (37:29):
No, okay, I.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Don't know anybody who actually does. You're a picky eater,
so I guess the answer was going to be no.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Sherbert. Sure, it's a three course meal. Situations. Who we get.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Amazing Sherbert sounds good? Who doesn't like Sherbert? Well, enjoy
the Sherbert And UH can't thank you enough. I'm sure
we'll talk during training camp and we'll we'll be there.
We're broadcasting from training camp.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
It's going to be exciting. I don't really know. I
don't know how it's gonna work, but it's gonna be exciting.
It's gonna be fun. I've wanted to do this for years,
so we can't wait.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Awesome.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Kelsey Conway read her work in the Cincinnati Inquirer and
Cincinnati dot Com and follow her on Twitter at Kelsey
L Conway.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
And when are you gonna be on Good Morning Football again?
Speaker 3 (38:13):
I don't know. I hope so, I hope they asked
me back. Yeah, I would love it.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
It was a great experience, so grateful that I got
the opportunity to do it.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
So I think it would really help if the Bagels.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Went I run, Yeah, then maybe they'd be more willing.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
To have me on.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I like that NFL network.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
It's a shout out Jamie art All. She's an awesome host.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
She does very good job hosting that show, no question
about it. All right. Brendanman and Jones on Baseball is
next on ESPN fifteen thirty
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