November 8, 2025 • 5 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're done in six minutes because we have UK basketball.
So let's get to our guest. Our guy, Sean Saya
at the Stats and Schemes newsletter Summer Sports dot Com,
joins us every single Tuesday to ride the hamster wheel,
that is talking about the Bengals defense and schemes and
how they fix it.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
And Sean, it's good to have you as always. How
are you. No, it's great.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Every week, you know, it feels like the Bengals come
up with something new. It's not always positive, but yeah,
I do want to start off with saying I like
watching DJ Turner play football, so I don't want to
make sure I said something positive on the radio.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Bad this time, you know what, But put DJ Turner
on film for me. Tell me what you like about him.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I think he's a good corner. He's competitive at the
cash point. I think you can put him in multiple schemes,
whether you're playing that deeper cover three, while you're playing
that kind of in the cornerback space sort of cover
two type look and look, he's improved I think in
his years in the league so far. So it's nice
to see, you know, you can take something positive away.
I look at all the grades, and then when I
(01:01):
go at the film, it's like, all right, well, you
can remember early in the game against the Bears, you
have that nice uh pass deflection on a throw at
to Caleb Williams's left. So look at us, just just
feeling good and fine on this Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Right. Yeah, so there's a building block. There's a building block.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
The problem is it's it's building blocks singular and not plural.
They traded Logan Wilson, they didn't trade anybody else. We're
not surprised because this is sort of how the Bengals
do things. But put a GM head on reasonably, what
would you have given the Bengals for Trey Hendrickson?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Well, well, it's probably good. It's gonna be a shorter thing.
I think you you you start the call at a
three uh, and then the obviously the Bengals say absolutely
not that. Give me a one. No, I would I
would get say maybe a two. You could talk me
into throwing a second round pick you're away. But I
have to assume there were conversations about it. I think
just giving them the benefit of the doubt there, But yeah,
(01:55):
it did feel like, all right, well, you're at a
point in your season where I don't ever want to
be like, oh, you know you're tanking the season.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
It's all over.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
But you have a resource that you can get a
bunch of draft capital for. You know, what kind of
move can you make? So you look at the Jalen
Philip trade, for example, with the Eagles, where that pulls
a third round pick, and I think that's like the
absolute worst that you do in that situation. I think
you should look at Hendrickson as a full step of
from Philip. So you know, I had to feel like
at least the second round pick. I think a first
(02:23):
round pick would have been unreasonable, even though obviously that
would have loved for that to happen for the Bengals.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
You could be honest on this show, Sean, It's it's over.
You could you could say it here, We're not gonna
get it's it's they're three and six, they couldn't stop
you and ten of your buddies.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
It's over. It's like, it's.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Funny because we look at it, and when I watched
the defensive film, it's like, all right, well, I could
criticize and be like, well, this scheme is kind of
simple overall, Damn. Football is the game of blocking and tackling.
It really really is. That is what it is, and
it is a game where the Bengals have not been
great at tackling. I think they missed like fifteen tackles
and then there was like over one hundred yards that
the Bears were able to have after those mistackles. So, uh,
(03:03):
drop whatever you want on a whiteboard.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Now.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
If you're not able to tackle on the NFL, it's
unfortunately going to be a pretty long.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Day exactly Like I've talked about this this week. The
problem is there's no nuance to it, right, Like I
love to explore things that Al Golden can do with
his personnel that can amplify the pass rush or help
them in coverage right, or or bring out some area
of their defense make them better against the run. They're
they're bad at everything right, and they're bad at the basics.
(03:31):
They're bad at tackling. And so when there's only one
building block and every unit has deficiencies and they're not
good at anything and they can't master the basics like
bringing the ball carrier to the ground, I bring you
on to talk schemes. It's I don't know, I don't
know where you start. And that's that to me is
the frust I like talking about strategies and personnel and
(03:54):
the nuance of football.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
There is no nuance to this.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, But other than that, than all of this, I
looked forward to say, you know, like for the rest
of the season, like, well, what are your building blocks?
Like Turner? I feel good about where Turner is. Now,
let's look at the younger guys, like what are you
getting from Osai, from Stewart, from Hill just as you
go through the rest of the way, Like, you know,
you have to decide are your young linebackers, but these
(04:20):
are the guys you're gonna go forward with? Or is
it you know next year we're gonna kind of be
in the spot again because you know, the clock's ticking
a little bit on this whole entire organization. It feels
like I hate the idea that I got to sit
and watch that awesome Joe Burrows Super Bowl run and say.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
This is awesome.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
This is a wildcard. I think it was a wildcard
team right that made that Like are they going to
be able to get back? And if the answer is no,
that I mean it's gotta be heartbreaking. Like it really
is when you consider all the talent on this team. Obviously,
Now do I think this is a situation where hey,
go be the Jets and and literally sell every single
thing you have and just stop pile picks and really
run this kind of experiment to the end. No, it's
obviously not like that, right, Like there is light at
(04:58):
the end of the tunnel. But I'm sure you know
everyone is getting a little bit tired of saying, oh,
well next year, ah well next time. Oh if this
guy stays healthy, maybe things will be a little bit different.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah, music says the clock is ticking on us, Sean.
I'll send folks to the stats and scheme newsletters, subscribe
at suomer sports dot com s U M e R.
And maybe sumer Brain has a solution to what ails
this franchise.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I don't know. It's awesome to have you as always.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I'm sorry to cut our time short, but well, well
I'll have something to complain about next there's no game.
Maybe we'll talk about good teams since good teams played
this weekend.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
That would be fun. Appreciate it. My talk soon.
We're done in six minutes because we have UK basketball.
So let's get to our guest. Our guy, Sean Saya
at the Stats and Schemes newsletter Summer Sports dot Com,
joins us every single Tuesday to ride the hamster wheel,
that is talking about the Bengals defense and schemes and
how they fix it.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
And Sean, it's good to have you as always. How
are you. No, it's great.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Every week, you know, it feels like the Bengals come
up with something new. It's not always positive, but yeah,
I do want to start off with saying I like
watching DJ Turner play football, so I don't want to
make sure I said something positive on the radio.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Bad this time, you know what, But put DJ Turner
on film for me. Tell me what you like about him.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I think he's a good corner. He's competitive at the
cash point. I think you can put him in multiple schemes,
whether you're playing that deeper cover three, while you're playing
that kind of in the cornerback space sort of cover
two type look and look, he's improved I think in
his years in the league so far. So it's nice
to see, you know, you can take something positive away.
I look at all the grades, and then when I
(01:01):
go at the film, it's like, all right, well, you
can remember early in the game against the Bears, you
have that nice uh pass deflection on a throw at
to Caleb Williams's left. So look at us, just just
feeling good and fine on this Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Right. Yeah, so there's a building block. There's a building block.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
The problem is it's it's building blocks singular and not plural.
They traded Logan Wilson, they didn't trade anybody else. We're
not surprised because this is sort of how the Bengals
do things. But put a GM head on reasonably, what
would you have given the Bengals for Trey Hendrickson?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Well, well, it's probably good. It's gonna be a shorter thing.
I think you you you start the call at a
three uh, and then the obviously the Bengals say absolutely
not that. Give me a one. No, I would I
would get say maybe a two. You could talk me
into throwing a second round pick you're away. But I
have to assume there were conversations about it. I think
just giving them the benefit of the doubt there, But yeah,
(01:55):
it did feel like, all right, well, you're at a
point in your season where I don't ever want to
be like, oh, you know you're tanking the season.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
It's all over.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
But you have a resource that you can get a
bunch of draft capital for. You know, what kind of
move can you make? So you look at the Jalen
Philip trade, for example, with the Eagles, where that pulls
a third round pick, and I think that's like the
absolute worst that you do in that situation. I think
you should look at Hendrickson as a full step of
from Philip. So you know, I had to feel like
at least the second round pick. I think a first
(02:23):
round pick would have been unreasonable, even though obviously that
would have loved for that to happen for the Bengals.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
You could be honest on this show, Sean, It's it's over.
You could you could say it here, We're not gonna
get it's it's they're three and six, they couldn't stop
you and ten of your buddies.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
It's over. It's like, it's.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Funny because we look at it, and when I watched
the defensive film, it's like, all right, well, I could
criticize and be like, well, this scheme is kind of
simple overall, Damn. Football is the game of blocking and tackling.
It really really is. That is what it is, and
it is a game where the Bengals have not been
great at tackling. I think they missed like fifteen tackles
and then there was like over one hundred yards that
the Bears were able to have after those mistackles. So, uh,
(03:03):
drop whatever you want on a whiteboard.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Now.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
If you're not able to tackle on the NFL, it's
unfortunately going to be a pretty long.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Day exactly Like I've talked about this this week. The
problem is there's no nuance to it, right, Like I
love to explore things that Al Golden can do with
his personnel that can amplify the pass rush or help
them in coverage right, or or bring out some area
of their defense make them better against the run. They're
they're bad at everything right, and they're bad at the basics.
(03:31):
They're bad at tackling. And so when there's only one
building block and every unit has deficiencies and they're not
good at anything and they can't master the basics like
bringing the ball carrier to the ground, I bring you
on to talk schemes. It's I don't know, I don't
know where you start. And that's that to me is
the frust I like talking about strategies and personnel and
(03:54):
the nuance of football.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
There is no nuance to this.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, But other than that, than all of this, I
looked forward to say, you know, like for the rest
of the season, like, well, what are your building blocks?
Like Turner? I feel good about where Turner is. Now,
let's look at the younger guys, like what are you
getting from Osai, from Stewart, from Hill just as you
go through the rest of the way, Like, you know,
you have to decide are your young linebackers, but these
(04:20):
are the guys you're gonna go forward with? Or is
it you know next year we're gonna kind of be
in the spot again because you know, the clock's ticking
a little bit on this whole entire organization. It feels
like I hate the idea that I got to sit
and watch that awesome Joe Burrows Super Bowl run and say.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
This is awesome.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
This is a wildcard. I think it was a wildcard
team right that made that Like are they going to
be able to get back? And if the answer is no,
that I mean it's gotta be heartbreaking. Like it really
is when you consider all the talent on this team. Obviously,
Now do I think this is a situation where hey,
go be the Jets and and literally sell every single
thing you have and just stop pile picks and really
run this kind of experiment to the end. No, it's
obviously not like that, right, Like there is light at
(04:58):
the end of the tunnel. But I'm sure you know
everyone is getting a little bit tired of saying, oh,
well next year, ah well next time. Oh if this
guy stays healthy, maybe things will be a little bit different.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah, music says the clock is ticking on us, Sean.
I'll send folks to the stats and scheme newsletters, subscribe
at suomer sports dot com s U M e R.
And maybe sumer Brain has a solution to what ails
this franchise.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I don't know. It's awesome to have you as always.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I'm sorry to cut our time short, but well, well
I'll have something to complain about next there's no game.
Maybe we'll talk about good teams since good teams played
this weekend.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
That would be fun. Appreciate it. My talk soon.
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