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April 11, 2025 16 mins
Brian is joined by the Director of Veteran Programs at Trust and Valor Troy Day to discuss how they use horses to aid American veterans.
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Seven oh six, a fifty five KRCD talk station. But
everyone's having a happy Friday. I think this will put
a smile on your face. If you're not having a
happy Friday. Welcome to the fifty five krc Morning Show
from an organization called Mustang Journey. Troy Day, Troy, Welcome
to the show. It's great to have you on today.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
I appreciate what you're doing because I am a huge
supporter of, of course, the American veteran and first responders. My
sister was a twenty five year police officer of the
CINCINNTI Police Department, and I'll tell you I do get
the idea of stress from a job, and I learned
from her over the years what they face under pressure
and the crap that they go through each and every day.
And of course the American veteran, most notably combat veterans,

(00:58):
deal with post traumatic stress and day to day hardships.
Are just being in the military obviously a very stressful reality.
You obviously recognize that we're going to talk about your
Trust and Valor program, but first let my listeners know
about Mustang Journey. The organization how you got started what
you do. It's online at Mustang Journey dot org. It's fascinating.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah, no, I appreciate that, and thank you to your
family members for their service. Mustang Journey is a five
on one C three nonprofit organization. We operate solely on
donations and volunteers.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
And what we do is.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
We adopt, tame, gentle and rehome wild mustangs. And you know,
in this as you even mentioned what a great way
to help and support two iconic American symbols of freedom,
the wild mustang and the American soldier.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
So I understand you work with the Bureau of Land Management.
Now these are as you mentioned, wild mustangs, and so
they're they're they're they're rounded up and collected. Is is
there are they? Do they represent a problem out in
the wild? Is that the reason that they're collected and
rounded up by the Bureau of Land Management?

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
What has happened is the free ranging ranchers has gone
to the government and ask them to remove the mustangs.
They actually the ranchers actually round them up with helicopters.
They claim that the wild mustangs are taking all the
resources in the foliage and water.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yes, huh, Well, I suppose you probably questioned that reality
or that that assertion, but nonetheless, because of those claims,
they are rounded up, and I imagine that's got to
be quite stressful for the wild mustangs just in and
of itself.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yes, it is very stressful. And that's you know, we've noticed,
you know, a parallel you know, examining the parallels between
the life of a wild mustang from the round ups
separated from their families and then also to the to
the first responders and also veterans. You know, there's uh,

(03:07):
there's that that time to decompress that they need the
stress from around up, the stress from as you mentioned,
even the combat, the traumatic experiences possibly even loss uh
you know in combat. Yeah, so the highlights you know,
shared a characteristic extent or you know, I guess you

(03:27):
could say themes of camaraderie, you know, forging that trust
between the veterans, the first responders and that wild mustang
trust is going to be one.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Of the biggest ones understood.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
So you mentioned gentling the mustang and and and getting
into uh an animal that's that's rideable. So you're you're
you're looking to it, I guess the old word for
it is breaking a horse. I mean, I think about
the old Western days and I'm a gonna break a horse.
You got a wild horse, and you learn how to
calm it down, put a saddle on it, and make
it into something that's actually rideable.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Right exactly. And that's where we use the term gentle.
There is no heartbreaking of these horses. They've already been
through enough stress trauma. So we use these We use
the type of training where you gentle them and it's
it's there's no there's no heartbreaking of.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
The horses, understood, and I appreciate your having a concern
for the horse and and appropriate treatment. That's what it's
all about. And so and that's where the veterans and
first responders come in. You train them how to gentle
the horses, and then you ultimately place them. It's it's
like a forever home for the for the mustang after
you go through this process.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
So we actually we have different programs for the veterans
and first responders have to say one of those individuals,
they just want to learn to how to take care
of the horse. That's we have something what we call
a care team. That's where you just we teach them
how to feed, water and muck and just spend some
time with the horse. And that's really when some of
the trust is built. Just take taking care of them.

(05:05):
We also have a handling program where you can learn.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
To halt or lead load a horse if.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
You want to just kind of take it knowledge and
experience A little step further. You mentioned the trust and
valor that's learned how to tame a wild mustang from
what we call untouchable to someone where you can halt
or lead and load in a trailer. And then we
are moving on to hopefully in a very near future,

(05:35):
a riding program in these individuals, veterans and first responders
help us get them to their forever homes.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
So the concept is this is this is very therapeutic
for perhaps maybe a veteran who's struggling with post traumatic stress.
You're giving them something that's really beneficial. It's distracting for
them in the sense their mind isn't on other more
traumatic things. They're helping this horse get, you know, you know,
become I guess is I hate to use the word usable,

(06:05):
but you know it's it's a wild animal, but you're
turning it into something that someone might want to adopt.
And I guess all this is really beneficial to the
psychology of the veteran or first responder in that regard.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yes, sir, you know there's a lot of there's a
lot of life skills that you can learn just by
just by spending time and and and here's the thing.
It's it's not us, It's it's it's the horses. I
I kind of, you know, just kind of missed myself
as a as one beggar showing another beggar where to
get the information from. And you know, those life skills,

(06:41):
you know, there's it's not a a canned answer. You
don't know what that individual is going to receive from
spending time with the Mustangs, but some of those, you know,
transitioning life skills could be you know, confidence, confidence back
into the civilian world, if you will. Sure, patience is

(07:02):
another one. Your presence being in the moment is a
big one that one has. That one has been a
big one for me spending time with the Mustangs. And
then you kind of mentioned it there too, is just
a peace of mind, right, even if it's for just
a little while, it's just a peace of mind so
you can forget about your your daily challenges just for

(07:24):
a little while.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, I mean everybody has something along those lines. You know,
people who can't go to sleep at night, they think
about all the crap they did during the day, all
the things they need to do tomorrow. And it's the
worst possible time to think about those things because you're
supposed to get a good night's sleep so you can
then cope and deal with it the next day. So
in this regard, when you're working with the Mustang, you
have a task at hand, you have to have presence,

(07:48):
you have to pay attention to what's going on in
front of you. You have this beautiful, beautiful horse Mustang
in front of you that's obviously, you know, enjoyable to
be with. It's a distraction from the day to day
cares of life. I can see the brilliance of this
just in thinking about along those lines, Yes, sir, wow.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Yeah, And I think that's you know again, you know,
you're not sure what the individual is going to get
out of it, but that's you know again, just being
able to focus, you know, focus and then use those
to move on. You know, you hold on to that
for a little while to get you through your next
day until until you can come back and spend more
time with them.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
So this is does the program, this Trust Environur program?
Is it for a specific period of time? Is it?
Is it sort of like a show up when you
need a kind of thing. How does it work? How
does it operate?

Speaker 3 (08:41):
We can Yeah, anyone could reach out to us and
we can fit it into their schedule. We do have
some type of a schedule right now. However, we do
have folks coming that you know can't make it, you know,
for instance, on a Sunday. Maybe they can't make it
on a Sunday, so we will open up other times
for them to come in and spend time with them,

(09:03):
all right, and then just go and then go through
the programs or you know, even at their even at
their level where they're at.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
The horses.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
We've had several folks come through that have had, you know,
grew up of horses. They possibly even maybe trained horses
before going into the military, and or they have little
little to know knowledge at all about horses, and we
just start them with the horses where their knowledge is at.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Now, how long does it take from when you get
one of these wild mustangs from the Bureau of land management.
How long does it mean, I guess normally take I
suppose different mustangs very like personalities. There one can take
a longer time to train, others may adopt and accept

(09:53):
the training earlier. But generally speaking, start to finish from
when you get the mustang initially till it's properly gentle
and manageable. What's the like of time?

Speaker 2 (10:03):
You know what?

Speaker 3 (10:03):
You you made a great point. They're just like humans.
We all have our we all have our personal bubble
to begin with. That's when it starts. We can start
building that trust and we like to. Uh, twelve months
is what we like to shoot for. Can some get
uh you know, rehome prior to that, yes, do some

(10:24):
take a little bit longer, yes, but that's we We
figure that twelve month period is a good time, uh
to get them, to get them decompressed, to get them
through the training, and then uh typically put them. We
have X amount of hours we want to put them
under saddle before before.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
We do rehome them. That's our goal.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
However, there have been some folks that have adopted the
horses at the time and they wanted to finish the
horses off themselves. Oh, and that they can they can
do that as well, And that's an agreement between the
individual who's adopting us on the board at Mustang Journey
determine the best if that's going to be the best
scenario for the horse, all.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Right, case by case basis, This makes perfect sense. I
know some people who are truly horse people, and I
can see them perhaps wanting to pursue that path, but
they've owned horses for decades and they know everything there
is to know about them. Now is there is it
difficult to rehome these horses? Is there a waiting list
or do you have to reach out and sort of
market them? How does that work for Troy?

Speaker 2 (11:29):
You know, that's a great question.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
The Mustang network, if I could say, it's it's across
the United States and there's several thousands horses out there,
several thousands of people that are involved with Mustangs. But
it's a very intimate community. And there's a story about
a horse spirit that we had a very photogenic horse

(11:55):
in the herd management area in Honaky and Utah. She's
a well done documented horrors by professional photographers. She's been
on some PBS shows and uh once we put her
up for adoption, there was a a Mustang owner actually
owns a Mustang. She owns her herd mate in sunny

(12:17):
San Diego. So it just goes to show you it's
it's intimate, but yet it's a tight knit.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Uh network.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
And once when you know, once you put it out there,
you know folks, folks will find them, Folks will find
a Mustang.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
I get it. Well, you know, my wife and I
have just that way of example. It seems to be
somewhat of a parallel. We're Doberman lovers and there are
there's a network of Doberman rescues, just like there are
there's a network of pitbull rescues or any other breed,
but they are interconnected. So if you know there's somebody
in Cincinnati that's looking for to rescue a Doberman, and
it doesn't have to be any it doesn't there's not

(12:57):
one necessarily in the area, you could reach out to
the one and can tell they reach out with one
in Indiana. You know, That's that's how that works.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Wet.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
I understand how that connection works. So there is a
Mustang community out there. So I'm glad to know that
because I, yeah, my wife would love to own a horse,
and I just you know, like, honey, there's no way.
So it's just that it seems to me it would
be an uphill challenge to place these Mustangs, but apparently
it's not now moving aside from the uh the Valor program, uh,

(13:27):
the Trust and Valor program. Do you take volunteers? But
I know you're located in Goshen, So my listeners know that,
and uh do you do you? Are you looking for volunteers?
I know you want donations, and so I'm encourage my
listeners if you want to donate to this wonderful cause,
it's Mustang Journey dot org. There's a little donate button.
But how about just folks who would like to spend
some time there mucking or leading or doing whatever does

(13:49):
you need them to do?

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Absolutely, absolutely, we're always looking for volunteers, you know, to
support Mustang Journey and h typically the draw to Mustange
Journey is the care team that I mentioned, Folks that
just want to kind of come out and just you know,
take care of them, you know, feed water, mock, pick
up a miller and you know, and just spend time

(14:12):
with them. But they can certainly reach out to us
and there's obviously some some paperwork that they would need
to fill out, and yeah, just and and get started.
You have two or three orientations, depending on the level
of horse knowledge.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
You know, when you feel comfortable being the in the
pen and taking care of them, then we'll just kind
of not turn you loose, but go through the orientation
and then you can start taking care of them.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
We have a we have a community. We have a
we have a community.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Calendar that you can you can put your name on
a certain time.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
It's called time.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Tree and uh, you can put your name on the
on the calendar when you want to. If you once
a week, once a month, twice a week, it's up
to you.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
That's wonderful that I have a feeling you may get
some calls on this or some some outreach. And I
see on your your website you got how much a
bail of hay is, how much the grain is, and
you know veterinary visit and all that. There's donation levels.
You can be a sponsor of a horse for a
full year at a certain level, so there's a multitude
of ways to help out. Or you can just show

(15:17):
up and uh and and help them clean the stalls
out and work with some some beautiful mustangs and they
are absolutely beautiful beasts. Troy Day, thanks for the time
you spend with my listeners today and explaining Mustang Journey
to my listening audience. I think it's a wonderful thing
you're doing. And keep up the great work and uh
hopefully we'll have you back on the show down the
road again sometime.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Absolutely what I appreciate. Thank you for having me certainly
appreciate it, and like.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
To invite you and your wife out anybody come on
out and meet the mustang.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Well, get the horse part out of her system for
a little bit. She grew up on a farm and
had a horse when she was young, so that's where
that comes from. And thanks again for the work.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
It's the way you can, you know, have somebody else
take care of the horses. You can just come out
of time with him.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
I like that idea, man, I like that idea. And
thanks again for helping the American veteran and first responder
Troy Day. It's been a real pleasure. Mustang Journey dot
Org is where you find the organization and help them
out in some way. Troy, take care of yourself and
keep up the great work. It's seven twenty two at
fifty five KR see the talk station bottom of the ar.
We're gonna hear from Daniel Davis with a deep dive
to stick around for that, But first a word for

(16:23):
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