COS, 6 Revisit: Former Beetle, Current Button

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This is episode three hundred and seventytwo of a lohoma for April twenty second,
two thousand and twenty three. Helloeveryone, and welcome to another episode

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of a Lohomra, the fandom's originalHarry Potter book Club. I'm Cat Miller,
I'm Jeff Hutton, I'm Grace,Candido Beecher. Oh god him introwing,
Josh, I'm introwing the best personin the world. Please. We
have Josh Cook as our guest todayand he's fabulous individual recurring host with the

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most Basically, I turned into ahelpful puff where I'm introduced on the podcast.
Very cute. Don't come for mygig. Josh, We finally,
you know you have to do gryffindoorstuff today because if you look at our
pretty backgrounds, which people could seeif they were watching this video, they

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would know that we have one ofeach today. It's a full half.
They were dancing around and Josh,where you Okay, we'll have to pay
for that, so yeah, nottoo much, not too much, okay,
the first bit. That's it,um fine. Just in case someone's

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starting off just on this episode,Josh give your give your intro here,
like, what is your house.How'd you get into Potter? How'd you
start up with the podcast? Justbecause you kind of have a history with
a podcast. Now you're like beautifuloccurring host. Uh give us, give
us everything, give us all thedats. I am a Gryffindoor. I've
been through and through for you know, my entire life. I reckon.

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Came to the fandom late. Um, got into it because my wife forced
me to watch all of the movieswith her. I thought the movies were
terrible. I hated Dumbledore in themovies. Didn't understand why everyone talked so
highly of Dumbledore. I was like, you know, he was on a
pedestal for all this stuff. AndI just watched the movies and I went,
this guy kind of sucks. Um. I read the books and now

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Dumbledore is my favorite character. Fellinto a little mora, And no matter
how much life wants me to getout of the fandom, a little more
continues to pull me back in.And I can't thank you all enough for
that. That's the spirit, Likethe Mafia, we keep pulling you back
in. We love you. WhenI think now I'm out, Hey,

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Paul May back in? Yeah?Amen? On the message boards, I'm
Griffin Prefect because I'm an engineer andnot that creative. Um so primary houses
griffindor secondary house is Slytherin, whichpretty much checks out. Hell yeah.
And if you guys have never readGriffering Prefects comments, the stuff that Josh

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says is like eerily smart. Likethe fact that you have a background in
engineering comes across because you're much muchmore knowledgeable about physics than I am.
And I always appreciate when that knowledgecomes into the stuff that you share with
the listeners in your comments. Ilike to think that my claim to fame

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with a Little Mora is uh thelove that I have for all the hosts
and my background in sciences and Usport things. I think that that sporting
sporty people have been underrepresented on aLittle Mora, So I like to feel
that. I like to feel thatVoid is underrepresented in the wizard World because

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they just have the one and mostof the time when we talk about it,
I think we just kind of endup talking about how it does not
make sense. Well at the boydo not do not get him started,
does not there's no Quidditian episode.Also, Jeff, I sincerely appreciate how
you call Josh eerily smart. Yeah, I think that's like a very good

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description, like he is eerily smart, like and whenever he busts out the
physics, like I know he cando it, but it still breaks me
out, like how intelligent he is. My mental picture of Josh is like
the one professor at Hogwarts that doesn'tuse magic and like only has physics,
and he's like in a suit wheneveryone's still in their like magical roads,

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and he's like, I'm gonna teachyou math. You're gonna sit down and
you're gonna learn it because you needto know. Okay, I will teach
you how this works. If he'dbe wildly unpopular, is what you're saying.
No, if you think, okay, I could bring math in vectors,
not professor vectors, because that didn'tmake any sense. I don't want

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to. I mean professor vector teachesa rithmancy, which is a form of
math. Yeah, it does makesense. Yes, Um, it's just
not as good as Josh's mouth,is what I'm saying. That's what for
sure. Magic all comes back tovectors because and it points directly to Goblin
the fire at the end when Harryand Cedric's spells merge together and become more

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powerful like a vector. And nowwe're going to take a break, and
it's time for a science with John. Hey, if you need, if
you need more paid preon content,I will continue to pay for that.
I'll pay for my own content.He's like, I'll make content and I'll
pay for it. Go well.As always, we're very happy to have
you here. Thank you extremely findingus for this is gonna be what like

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your your tenth or twelfth episode.I don't I don't think. I don't
think I've broken tin yet. Ithink that the maybe my seventh, oh
most magical. That makes sense.So this is going to be your best,
most powerfully this is this is theleast prepared. This is the least
prepared I have been for one unfortunately. So we'll see, we'll find out

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the case. Sometimes breaths like wisdom, I will say, because actually what
you just said connects perfectly into whatI'm about to introduce. You said something
about Goblet of Fire, and Gobletof Fire connects over into the book that
we're talking about today. Guys,we're talking about Chamber of Secrets, chapter
six. Guilderi Lockhart. Yeah,a crap, human being. Tell us

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how you really feel, man,I have the last time to tell you
how I feel. We'll get towait. Last time we talked about Guilderi
Lockhart. The specific chapter was episodetwelve This book sucks Wow Wow, Rosie
Laura and guest blogger Dan Bergstein.That was on September twenty third, twenty

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twelve. Yikes. I mean,we love this chapter so much we had
to wait three hundred and sixty episodesto get back to it was hitting hard
today, you guys, We've savedit. We saved the greatness here,
beautiful, delicious greatness that we're aboutto get right now in the episode No
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out more. And now we moveon to our shout out. I picked
out two of them and they're fromepisode three hundred and seventy. The one

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that I started here with was fromI believe a new user. I've been
out of the game a little bit, guys. I apologize. I had
to take a step back. I'mextremely busy with working on some book stuff.
I'm working on a few other thingslike house hunting. But I went
back into the chat. This seemslike a new user to me. Tell

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me. Feel free to tell meif it's not. But super mega,
foxy, awesome, hot, gosh, leave some adjectives for the rest of
us. I know, Oh mygod, what was that art? It's
lock art. Yeah, but thisis on the chapter of was it Marge's

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Oh my goodness sake, thank youMarge's big mistake. They were talking about
like the evidence of Harry's abuse.At Dudley's fifth birthday partying, Aunt Marsh
whacked Harry around the shins with herwalking stick to stop him from beating Dudley
at Musical Statues Number two. Ripperhad chased Harry into the garden and upper
tree and Aunt March had refused tocall him off until past midnight, and

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basically they go on to explain that, like these sorts of things that were
going on with Aunt Marge in particular, you don't know if there's more abuse
of things going on behind the scenes, and like you can't really confirm on
that, but I can say thesetwo particular things are pretty awful, and
like they're meant to be very funny, Like they're meant to be something that
you just sort of read over andyou're like, oh, yeah, she's
just a horrible, horrible individual.But like have being forced, like a

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dog can do a lot of damageto a child, like that is terrifying.
The p on how big the dogis, because even a small one
can do a lot of damage,but oh my god, a big one
that can be like hospital kind ofdamage. I don't know that. Just
like rereading that and like reliving thatthrough the comment. I was kind of
amazed the fact that this was ahat joke joke moment. Well Dumbledore once

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said of the Gaunt family, Ithink it was when he said this,
he said that indifference and neglect canoften do more damage than outright cruelty and
dislike. But in this example,you get both. You get their constant
reminder that every time Aunt Marge comesto stay with them, something physically bad
is going to happen to Harry,which is also mentally damaging. But then

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you have, on top of thatthe knowledge that the Dursleys are just gonna
let it happen. They're not gonnaprotect him. He's a child like kind
of revolting and they're just gonna setback. And for all we know,
they're having a good laugh about it, because I guarantee that Petunia and Vernon
Dursley, if someone else had abulldog in their yard that neighborhood that was

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barking until past midnight, Vernon Dursleywould say something about it. But they
let it happen, which is theonly reason that dog kept barking past midnight,
because it was Harry that it wasbarking at. You know, there
are a lot of things that Ifeel like can still be debated and talked
about in these books and in theseyou know, and probably will continue to

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be talked about and debated. Iam so surprised whenever there's just a discussion
or a question about the fact thatHarry was abused, like very clearly,
Petunia swings yeah, Like I'm alwaysshocked when there's any question about the fact

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that Harry was physically abused, becausethe evidence is so clearly there, Like
it's not even up for debate.It's just a question of how many different
ways of abusing a kid can hepossibly endure and still come out as good
as he has, because Harry getsthis abuse from the Dursleys until he's eleven.
But when people analyze Harry's trauma inhis response to it and how it's

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affected him, they tend to focusI think more on the trauma of his
experiences in the Wizarding World, likehis lack of the parents that he constantly
wishes that he had, all ofthe rescuing that he has to go off
and doing the horrific things that he'sseen with his own eyes. And it
always seems like the dialogue kind ofsuggests that the damage he suffered as a

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kid for over a decade from theDursleys and other people they allowed into their
home somehow doesn't compare to that.But I think they're at least on the
same level. We talk a lotabout that and the companion that's Uh,
that's should be should be out bythe time this recording hits the time this
episode's out. So that's something thatwe really do touch on a lot,

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is the fact that like Harry's GotUs Good, a good solid decade of
abuse going into a lot of stuffso well, and it's not like the
traumatic events that we see in thebooks. It's like those are at least
survival traumatic events, Like the firstlike that decade, that's just him trying
to be a person and being abused, you know, like it it's a

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different type of traumatic. It isliterally an oppressive force on you constantly through
you're endoppers through you're trying to figureout grade school. At least in the
books, Like and I know whatI'm saying, at least in the books,
but like, at least when he'sat Hogwarts, it's about survival.

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It's not about all I'm being raisedby these people that hate everything about me.
Yeah, so I think can weconfirm that like Vernon, Petunia probably
deserve the dumpster, just like thewhole person in the dumpster, just like
through them a way, the mostunrealistic part of all these of this whole

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series isn't the fact that there's magicalpeople that there's hippogriffs and dragons and stuff.
The most outlandish part is that Harrywas pretty normal. Yeah, him
coming out as good as he is. Like, I think one defense I've
seen for that is, well,once he gets into the wizarding world and
he learns magic and they find outhe's got a supposedly dangerous godfather, is

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that Yeah, they're gonna take digsat him, but they can't physically touch
him anymore, and nothing that theycan say is going to bother him because
he has this trump card of youknow, I know freaky wizards, right,
and I can get them here prettyfast. Do you really want it
to come to that? That isthat is really good to hold over them.

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Honestly, it's a strong card tobe able to play. And I
also I took one more comment absentminded Raven and they said, a trope
is just a pattern or element peopleI've noticed crop up in a lot of
stories. They're better used for discussingand analyzing stories rather than writing them.
For example, the villain monologue isa trope. Can be played straight as

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in Voldemort in the Graveyard, orsubverted as in the Incredibles. You sly
dog, You've got me monologuing.And I just wanted to give this comment
a shout out because it was avery fun way of comparing villain monologues.
We don't have to discuss this.I just thought it was very fun.
I haven't heard someone reference the Incrediblesmonologue or that you have me monologuing in
so long. I was like,oh my god, this is so good.

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The Incredibles is like a top three. Oh it's solid. It so
Disney picks our movie. It's easily, just like the cast, how clever
it is. It just oh man, that's that's easily. If it's not
the best, like we're I'm gonnahave to actually have a debate with somebody
about whether it is objectively the bestcleverest movie that they made. It would

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have been Toy Story, but thenthey just kept making them and they just
won't stop. And it's like,guys, you've already traumatized us with toys
enough, Just like, can wenot? There's if I could just share
a really funny little story, I'lldo it quick. When I was I
was at like an animation convention wayback in the day, when I was

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still in college and one of theanimators from The Incredibles from Pixar was talking
about the process of animating that movie, and he remembers them discussing the storyboards
at certain issues that they may haveanimation wise, and they're like, explosions,
that's fine, fire, we gotthat, all these things going off,
we can totally handle that. Andthen one of the boards showed mister

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Incredible buttoning a shirt and all ofthem were like stumped. They're like,
this is going to take so longto animate. This is gonna be so
challenging because, like, is thatlike buttoning the shirt motion? They had
to There was so much work thathad to go into it. So every
time that I see that, Isee that that scene in the movie,
I'm like that that scene that wasthe one that checks out. M h

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well, really awesome comments per usualfrom our listeners, and welcome to the
show. Super Omega, foxy,awesome, hot. We're just gonna call
you unpack your adjectives. Cat Miller, I thought it's just so many.
I thought that was a spam account. It can't be. There are no
numbers in it. Spam accounts havelike numbers in place of letters. It's

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got to be like six twenty atthe end. There we go. If
I was a spam account, Iwould have eight six seven five three o
nine in there, just because everytime somebody read that that song would get
stuck in their heads. That's thespam, not the account, it's the
getting the song stuck in their head, because that's the thing I would do.

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I would do that. That's thetrue churse child, Joe. That's
that. That's me. And nowthat that is to into my head,
we're going to actually move on andtalk about our chapter for the day,
and yes that I would. Yes, Josh's miming it on the video here.
Yeah, we're definitely gonna break outinto song at some point in this

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episode. But let me get intothis and just remind everybody what happens in
this chapter. Three Tuns should doit. Chapter revisit Chapter six, Pixie

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Pesta, new Man, Gildoy Lockhart. Despite many of their fellow Griffin Doors
were galing in the extraordinary way Ronand Harry harrived arrived at Hogwarts. Glory
does not follow the two around ontheir first day of classes, although Lockhart
and Colin Creavy absolutely do through ascreaming envelope, whiny and crying Mandrake's obnoxious

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quote unquote, oh Ward winners andit's sneering malfoy. September second, nineteen
ninety two just might be a dayHarry won't ever forget, although he might
want to. M hell yeah,snaps like through the data in there.
I was like, I've never puta date in a summary before, I
don't think, and I felt likeI needed to do it. That was
I was thinking about that earlier too, because the term always begins on September

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first, but classes begin on Septembersecond, so I don't really It's like
checking into a hotel on Thursday fora convention, but the convention doesn't open
up until Friday. Like Thursday isthe first day of the convention for me,
but the first day of the conventionproper is Friday. Right to lay
of the lamp exactly. You gottaknow where the grocery stores are for sure,

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for sure. The thing that surprisedme about this chapter this time is
how it's like really short. Yeah, it's not a long chapter. They
pack a lot in. Yeah,it's only twenty nine minutes on the audiobook,
which are twenty seven minutes it's likevery short. You have so many
different scenes, like we're kind ofall over the place in here. Yeah,
we're never in one place for verylong. But I mean that that

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is very chamber. That's very earlyseries. Hey, we're gonna we're gonna
blow through this and know, yeah, they really pack it in. And
it's the sixth chapter. So ittook us until about this point to get
to school. Now we're starting school. Whereas in books after the one that

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not the one after this one,but the one after that, it's going
to take us like ten chapters toget to school, a lot of drama
to hit beforehand. But we hitthe drama today right at this breakfast scene,
talk about a red letter day.I know, I wanted to discuss
this with you guys, because Iactually this is one of the things where

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I actually kind of prefer the movieismto what I had experienced in the books,
like what I mentally had assigned tolike what a howler looks like how
they did it in the movie isjust like so creative and fun. How
it like forms a little mouth andscreams at you and then it tears itself
up at the end. Oh mygod, it's so great, I know,

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and it just reminds me of allmy favorite Like I do not go
for the official merchandise anymore. Ilove the fan made stuff because frankly,
the fans make better stuff. Ihave so many howler things, like especially
the enamel pins like I have.I have an enamel bin I got from
LeakyCon. It's a howler that saysseven coffees and no water. I am
absolutely disgusted. Shout out to KimchiCreative. She made that beIN very nice.

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Yeah, fan made stuff is istop tier, top tier stuff.
Um, but yeah, like Iwas, I was. There's very few
things that I actually like prefer Themovie is m Over, the book is
m but that is one of thosethings. But going back to it,
Neville mentions that he had gotten ahowler from his grant, and I was
like, what the hell would thissweet little for a forgetful child do.

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I can't, I can't, Icouldn't imagine, so I had to bring
it up. The only thing thatmakes sense to me is he did get
in. It's a movieism that Nevilleis not involved in the dragon incident,
the dragon detention incident. I thinkof it in the previous book. But
in the book, Neville is upout of bed because he's trying to warn

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them, so he also gets pointsdeducted because Ron's not there, and he
gets detentions, So losing fifty housepoints and getting a detention. And I'm
guessing there was probably a letter hometo his grandmother about that. That's the
only thing that makes sense. AndI suspect because of that that if howlers
had been thought of by the authorbefore this book, there may have been

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one, because Neville gets one inthe next book when he mislays the passwords
even though he doesn't and he getsin trouble for that. She sends him
out forgot about that. Oh yeah, are we shut? Do you think
that they're sending letters home whenever akid gets detention. I would think for
something severe, like not maybe notevery single detention, but for something severe

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enough to warrant fifty points being deductedbeing out of bed after hours, which
they're particularly fierce about. Like ifit's a serious infraction, then yeah,
I can see it. I mean, I guess we do know. The
Fiel just keeping track of like allthe things, like with the cards that
Harry has to go through. Yeah, I mean Doubledore does mention he's going
to be writing to their families,not that the durls are going to care

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or clearly Molly cares well. Imean, don't forget Augusta's pretty, she's
pretty strict. I mean she's reallyhard on Neville all the time, so
I'm not surprised in the least thatNevill's had a how a lot, despite
how gentle and you know, lawabiding or rule abiding. He Maybe I
just feel like Augusta Throat sends themone every chance she gets. Also,

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I really just want to hear thecharacter of Augusta yell, because knowing what
she looks like, I feel likethat would be so fun and really interesting.
Oh heck yeah, I would loveto hear that. And it's funny.
I mentioned that I love the Howlermerchandise that fans make. I even
have a Howler tattoo in mind thatI'm working with an artist on designing that

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I think will be fun. Butas a concept for school children, I'm
not sure. I think howlers arethe best way to go about doing things
because it's all about shaming children.You send them a screaming letter that gets
opened up. Usually I assume atbreakfast in front of as many people as
possible, and it just puts themon blast in front of you. I

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know, that's exactly that's the point, and it is a really uncool way
to discipline kids. Yeah, stealinga car not good. But I'm just
I'm not about shaming kids to teachhim a lesson, not in front of
other people. Like if they feelembarrassed when you discipline them in private,
fine, but shaming them in frontof hundreds of other kids, I'm not

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sure I'm on board with the idea. I can go back on at least
what it's for. You know,there's a there's a good point in here,
I think by you, Jeff,about the type of information that's in
that howler. But yeah, forNeville, I can what I can see,
you know, being out of badand all that kind of stuff.
Fine, what I can see ahowler coming to Neville. Four is the

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fifteenth time he's had to write toAugusta to say, hey, I forgot
this, Hey I need this,Hey ill lost this, and she's like
get it together. She just sendshim it, like yeah, she just
sends him a howler that says getout of market in box you twebe?
Oh my gosh, I hope shedoesn't call her grandson a dweeb. No,

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she's not something though, not ohgod, something old like nincom poop.
Probably, Oh yeah, nincom poop, that'd be. That'd be.
Would she call him a pratt?Do you think? Oh? No,
I don't really. I don't knowwhat pratt really means. I I think
it's just like, oh you dummy, or oh you moron, Oh you

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pratt. One of my one ofmy favorite Parks and Rex quotes that I
always think is very cute. It'svery It's way towards the end of the
series, and I promise this isspoil anything, but the character of Donna
says to the character of Jerry orLarry or Gary, I forget what his
name is at the time, uh, he says. She says something like,
oh you big, you big bee, and he goes, oh,
she goes buddy, like you know, because they always insult him, and

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she said buddy at that time,calls him the B word, which he
turns out is mosozo. He says, yeah, yeah, Josh, you
brought up the point that I madeabout the information being conveyed, I was
thinking on this read through. Maybe, um, if you want to put
your son on blast, that's yourdecision. But also, um, your

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husband works for the government and he'sfacing an inquiry, which is kind of
a serious thing. So maybe don'tshout in front of other children whose parents
probably work at the government that he'sfacing an inquiry because they're gonna hear about
it anyway. But you don't haveto humiliate your husband and your child.
That's Molly out here, just likespraying the hot tea all over the great

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Hall. Well, she's a spicyShe's a spicy griffinder, and I feel
like, is uh, I'm tryingto remember back to our to our astrology
episode. She a Leo, Ithink, so Gosley birthday no October,

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So what is that? So shemight be a libra scorpio, Oh scorpio.
Okay, there you go, whateverthat means. I do not think
she's a Libra. Yeah scorpio,but yeah, so, I mean,
you know, but still like hotheaded griffin door and you know, Molly
is described many times as looking likea lion, being prideful, being like

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loud and terrifying and all that stuff. So I mean, yeah, I
don't see that it. I don'tsee it being out of the realm of
possibility or her wheelhouse to shame herkids. She has so many of them.
It's probably the tool she reaches forand in her parenting toolbox the most
often. Especially with you know,the youngest boy in the group being Ron,

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and with Jinny being at the schooltoo, She's probably like, I'm
gonna put the I'm gonna put thefear of what's the equivalent of God in
the wizard. I'm gonna put thefear of I just say, wizard God.
I got it from puffs. Theysay, oh, my wizard God
in it. Great, it's afear of wizard God in Jinny, you
know whatever. So but I doagree that she probably could have used a
little bit more discretion. Well,she was coming in that. See,

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this is why you, This iswhy my father when I destroyed our car
with a trampoline once, I'll tellyou another time. It's a long story.
It's not a long story, butwe won't get into it now.
I destroyed a car with a trampoline. Ones my father would not speak to
me for three days, and itwas not because he hated me. It
was because that was the angriest Iever made him, and he knew if

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he came in hot like that,he was going to end up saying a
lot of very very regretful things toa child, which I believe. I'm
grateful he handled it that way,But honestly, I couldn't have blamed him
because, like I said, destroyeda car with a trampoline. I don't
I don't don't know. I don'tknow your dad. I can tell you
right now, great move the numberof tom I've walked into my house and

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my wife has said something that Iwent, you don't want to talk to
me right now? I'd rather justnot talk, do you right now?
I wish more people handled things thatway. But I mean, you get
really angry, like when your childsteals a car. Sometimes you just your
good sense is completely overridden by youryour cheer, just rage about the situation.

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I mean, did he really stealthe car? It belongs to family.
I'm just saying. But anyway,I understand what you're saying. When
did she send the letter? Iknow, I know it gets delivered in
the morning, but they showed theygot to Hogwarts late. But I mean
that was a long trip from Londonthere. They had to have known kind

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of what happened. They find outthat the car crashes, that they're safe
at Hogwarts, all this kind ofstuff. That's it not time because they
missed the sorting. Yeah, andhow do you where do you even get
a howler? Like? Do theyhave howlers at the post office? Do
you have to make a howler?Yeah? I think that it's like when
like it's in the certified mail sectionwith all the different types of envelopes.

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You gotta you gotta have them ready. Well, let's take a look at
the timeline here and the Harry PotterCompanion Volume two Love and well, yeah,
see exactly what time it is becausewe've got the timeline in here.
You know that beautiful book that likesuper gorgeous. She's looking that up,
Grace. You had you had apoint that just kind of made me laugh

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a lot when you asked about likeFred and George. It's like, we
don't really hear about a ton ofother howlers and happening at Hogwarts. And
you reminded me that there was onethat happened with Neville. I had completely
forgotten about that, But I figure, like who would have likely gotten them,
if anyone else, because maybe itwas just like a common occurrence every

(31:41):
once in a while, like everymonth or every half of a month,
someone's blowing up the Great Hall.So my guess, my personal guesses were
Fred, George, and Lee Jordan. Those are the three. Yeah,
if they sent if Molly Weasley senta howler to Fred and George every time
Fred and George did something howl,there would never be a quiet breakfast at

(32:05):
Hogwarts School. But that's what I'msaying. I don't think that they're send
the letters home every time somebody getsin trouble like that. I don't think
Molly knows every tim Friend and Georgy. It's just for the tastiest rendition.
Well so well, I have acomment about friend George. But I will
say first off that the timeline inour book, the Unofficial Harry Potter Companion

(32:25):
Volume two, Chamber of Secrets.Yeah, hands beautiful, beautiful book.
Even though all the research that wedid, there's no there's no actual times.
But I do remember that we havepontificated before that if the train leaves
platform ninety three quarters at eleven o'clock, they probably get up to the castle

(32:49):
sometime between six and eight o'clock.So let's assume that the boys got in
it somewhere between eight and nine o'clock. Okay, but they would have known
that the car was missing already.They would have known the car was missing.
The pape the what is it,the Nightly Profit, I think that's

(33:09):
what it's called, the evening newspaper, the Evening Profit, that's it.
Uh, that would have already beenprinted because that would have been hours ago
that the boys were spotted by Muggles. So Dumbledore would have known the whole
like the teachers at the school wouldhave known. I'm sure they would have
told Molly. Molly and Arthur knewthat the car was missing, but they
didn't know what happened, so theyconnected the two, and then I think

(33:30):
Molly would just probably it's better effectfor it to happen at breakfast rather than
when the boys are in their dormatwell. But see that that leaves me
another issue here though. Um wefound out in Gobblet of Fire that if
so Neville says right here, hey, you better open it, it just
gets worse. But we found outin Goblet of Fire from Percy, then

(33:51):
if you don't open a howler itexplodes. He don't spelt, even having
scorts marks over his desket. Whendoes the comer start on the when it's
sent or when it's delivered? Isay when it's delivered. It's something about
the magic of the howler once.I mean, it's sort of like how
owls always know exactly where to delivermail. There's something about theient. Yeah,

(34:17):
once it has been dropped off,like maybe it can even like once
it's been touched. I don't.I don't know. It's got the scent
like a hound just comes out toit. It's like a sinister version of
that charm that they put on snitchesso they can always tell who's the first
person to touch it. Like,okay, it is in the hand of
the person it's supposed to get to. Now Ti TI TI. Boys stank

(34:38):
like they're being a little button onit and they owl presses the button.
This letter will self destruct. Iwas going to suggest has something to do
with the magic of Hogwarts. However, obviously not every howler is sent to
Hogwarts, although I'm going to assumea large persent each of them are also

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the stuff about friend George. Ifeel like friend George are more and we've
talked at length about like the crueltyas a friend George. However, I
think that they are more pranksters thanthey are actually ninety ten they're pranksters ten

(35:21):
percent actually kind of mean and awful. But I would agree with Josh that
they probably Molly and Arthur probably donot know about everything because it's like improbable
to write home to parents of students, Like friend George. There's there's things
degrade, there's saying you know,there's just work to be done. I

(35:45):
feel like every time every time Minervagets like every time they do something wrong,
Mi Nerva is just here like Idon't know if Molly can handle this
one. I think I might.She could just send a monthly letter the
last weekend of the month he writesdown all the trap that they did here,
you get I mean with Fred andGeorge, they are one of the

(36:06):
few examples we get where there isproof that they are sending letters home.
Because it's in the very first timewe go to platform nine and three quarters,
Molly says, you behave yourselves.If I get one more owl telling
me that you've blown up a toilet, blown up a toilet. We've never
blown up a toilet. What agreat idea though, Thanks Mom. And

(36:29):
then they try to send Harry atoilet seat at the end of the book.
I always look forward to that partwhere they try to send him a
toilet seat. There was one otherthing I had about howlers, and I
won't actually, we won't go toomuch into this. I just thought it
was interesting that, like we Idon't think that we ever hear about a
Slytherin getting a howler. We onlyhear about Griffin doors apparently getting them.

(36:52):
But like the I don't know ifit was something that, like maybe they
have howlers sent to their common roomsinstead because they like to keep all of
their shaming more private. They don'twant the whole school to know about when
one of them has done wrong somethinglike that. Yeah, they're more of
that snuity. It's more effective shamingif it's just among them, you know
exactly. It's more inner circle shaming, like they'll gossip about it with their

(37:15):
friends events Like not everybody in Slytherinis like rich or like hoity toity,
high society people, but like thinkingin particular about like Blai Zabini's mother or
the Malfoy's like their parents, Like, I'm thinking they're not the kind of
people who want to shame their childrenin front of everybody, because they not
Slytherin's in real life, but Slytherin'sin the book who adhere to Slytherin stereotypes.

(37:37):
They have that stuck up kind ofpride where they aren't gonna want to
shame their kids in front of everybodybecause that puts their kids on the same
level as all the other kids andmakes them care about what their peers think
about them, and it's also areflection on them very exactly, like especially
with Draco Malfoy, if Lucius Malfoyeven thought what his son was doing was

(37:58):
that bad, which he doesn't.He probably he doesn't. The only thing
he cares about is that a muggleborn girl is beating him in every test.
Yeah, which we found out afew chapters before this. But no,
he wouldn't send a Howler. It'sit's not it's not the Slytherin thing
to do, simply not ton Josh, did you have anything to say about
that? I think I cut youoff. Yeah, I was just trying
to say it goes back to anotherclassic Slytherin kind of house quality of self

(38:23):
preservation. Why called them out infront of the entire school whenever? That
would just alienate that. Yeah,that's not that's not self preserving for the
family. I think that makes sense. We are all in agreement on this,
and we already discussed the movie designs, so so we can actually move
on to the next scene unless wehave anything else to say about the breakfast

(38:45):
one, because we have. Ithink I think we covered it. We've
got a herbology class to hit.Guys. We gotta get some dirt under
our fingernails. So um, butI just got a manicure as we were
blows. I thought they were gloves, all right. So we start off

(39:06):
with the robology. We get GildroyLockhart and um Professor Sprout heading in from
helping out with the wamping willow treeand putting like slings on its little broken
arms, and um, when Iread this scene, I can only hear
it in Tim Curry's voice. Myhusband Nick does the perfect like Gildroy Lockhart.

(39:28):
Tim Curry, Okay, we knowhe's just off screen, so now
you have to have him come overand do it into the mic. I
okay, we gotta pick out ando it. We gotta pick a line.
All right. It has to becelebrity, is that's all I mean?
Oh my god, you're right.Wait I'll get you on camera in
just a second because my voice.No, you're gonna have to be a

(39:50):
camera. If he doesn't want to, he can just list. Okay,
wait all right, just let melove just light guys, got live la
blow blave bla live. All right. Wait, I'm trying to find the
celebrity as a slope. Oh mygod, I got to the Lockhart's favorite
color bit. Okay, it's callingcreevy blah blah blah. Oh my god.

(40:16):
That line is later in the bookwhile she's searching for that. I
just want to say when she mentionedTim Curry in relation to Gilderoy Lockhart,
I started thinking, imagine if TimCurry had to roll for charisma every time
he talked, and he kept rollinga zero. That is what it sounds
like when Jim Dale does his GilderoyLockhart voice. It just sounds so uncharismatic.

(40:39):
And most of the time Jim Daleis a fantastic narrator and a lot
of his characterizations are spot on,but I don't get the Gilderoy Lockhart voice.
It doesn't make him sound charismatic atall. You don't get the Tim
Curry one. I thought he soundedgreat. I don't know. I think
it's just a difference in Jim Dale. No, and I like Jim Dale's

(40:59):
narrations. I just don't think henails Gildaworth Lockheart different. He's not into
dudes. More's the pity. I'mglad. I'm glad one out of the
other three of you got that.I honestly has been so long since I've
done anything. What's up regarding guyson the pod at all? These are

(41:24):
very We've never gotten to actually sayhi face to face before they plug in.
Weird. Oh, I'm like disappearing. I'm nearly armless Nick today too.
I feel that it's it's because it'sbecause of the poly juice that Grace
clearly just took. So it didn'tlast that long. Yeah, it doesn't
last. Grace has this one line. I don't know if that's Gray.

(41:47):
Someone has the one line where,oh, geez, I didn't warm up
for this at all? What isthat Tim Curry? He did? When?
When I, okay, it's TimCurry when I would do, because
what we did was, I was, I dressed up as Tim Curry.
I dressed up as Tim Curry.If only I dressed up as Guildri Lockhart
for a local convention thing, um, and we did. I did like,

(42:10):
I was like, I don't wantto try to do the Kenneth Brana,
so I'm just gonna I'm just goingto do Tim Curry voice and we're
going to make do with that.And I said, fame is a fickle
friend, Harry. Celebrity is ascelebrity does. Remember that perfect, thank

(42:31):
you? Perfect, six solid monthsat the top of the best seller's list,
broke all records. Ah, itjust getting back to trying to do
what what's his name? Matt MattBarry doing Tim Curry? If only I

(42:54):
had Matt Berry's velvety voice. That'sthe New York sh My god, that's
anyway. I don't need to keepsweet. Josh is added a really good
one. What what okay, Josh, I like a piano bar please?

(43:15):
Is that wait the one that's highlightedright now? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
tell me that's a real He actuallysays that it's real. Yeah,
it's real. He does say thatduring the dueling, Well, what's my
one was a little over excited.That's that's a good much. I think

(43:37):
I'll end on that note. Thatfeels like a good note to go out
on it. It was good toseeing you guys, though, Hey,
it was great to find this.Oh that was fun, Grace, I
love your husband more now I wasalready such a thing. Delight. I

(44:00):
love him too. Oh yeah,you married well as dude. Thank you.
Okay, but that's part of thereason as to why I can only
picture Lockhart with Tim Curry's voice.So all right, one of the things
that I was amazed of, movingon from my favorite Tim Curry voices I

(44:22):
love in this chapter, I thinkI forgot how good like the characterizations and
descriptions are, because like we talkabout the first two books as if they
are children's books, and like Iunderstand why they are written a lot more
simply, but also like there's somethingvery insightful about a lot of the ways
that people are described, like thevery well kept Lockhart versus like the very

(44:44):
dirty professor Sprout, and also likeLockhart's action of like shutting the door directly
in her face. And this isall meant to just like characterize his horrendous
personality more and more to you,and like because you know, you know,
Professor Sprout is good at her jobbecause like she's supposed to be a
like a she's a plant, whichlike, of course she's going to be

(45:07):
dirtier, she's working with dirt allthe time. But like this like clean,
pristine, smiling, glimmering man who'sjust like everything that he says,
you know, is just like facevalue and it's so well described. I
loved it. I love diving backinto this section. Yeah. The best
part of that is they're literally bothwalking away from the wamping willow and he

(45:29):
says, I don't want you allto think that I know more about this
than Professor Sprout. And she's theone that did everything. She did all
the work. But she did allof it. Yeah, yeah, imagine
that she does all the work andhe tries to claim the credit to her
face. It's almost like the personwho wrote this does a crapload of poor

(45:54):
shadowy. It's weird. Weird aboutthat, Yeah, because we get not
one but two encounters with Lockhart inthis chapter alone, where he tries to
take this moment with Harry and turnit into Oh Harry, I'm not saying
I'm better than you, but it'simportant to me that you know it and

(46:15):
feel it. And then he justtalks about himself during class. But this
is what he does all he everreally talks about. I love that.
Later in the series and Half Bloodpremps Harry while while him and Doubledore are
at the lake, Harry says banksand smoke were more often the marks of

(46:36):
an aptitude than expertise, because he'swatching Dumbledore do the work and he's not
doing anything flashy, he's not tryingto make him. Now, Doubledore has
some Lockhart in him, regardless ofhow people feel about Oh yeah, Harry
is the anti Lockhart. He doesn'twant the fame, he doesn't want the
attention. He wants to be leftalone. Dumbledore, well, we'll do

(47:00):
the work. But he also likesthe adi. Yeah. So it's it's
funny that you point that out,because Half Blood Prints and Chamber of Secrets
are what their circle, the reflectionsof each other's. That's fun. It's
a ring composition momentum. Also,I want to have a very serious discussion

(47:22):
about something. Okay, honestly,though, who is more famous lock Arter
Harry. Harry is more talked about. I feel like because Harry only had
to be connected to one incident becauseof the historical impact that it had on

(47:45):
their entire world. Also, himbeing the only exception to getting hit by
the killing curse and dying that onething alone, Like that's that's huge.
Whereas Lockhart keeps talking about his ownacts of heroism over and over and over

(48:06):
again, and for some people itnever gets old. But he's basically telling
the same story from many different angles. Even his book titles are the same
year with the YETI Voyages with Vampires, Wanderings with Werewolves. Wait a minute,
Wait a minute, I think he'sjust good at alliteration. Let's keep
him a little bit of credit here. Later I'll give him a lot of

(48:27):
credit. Well done. He cancome up with book titles that flow fanta.
He probably, you know what,he could have stolen those two.
We don't know that his editor didn'tcome up with those. But point being,
Harry only had to do be connectedto one thing that changed the entire
wizarding world. In order to becometalked about, Lockhart has to constantly remind

(48:47):
people of the same thing over andover again in order for him to be
taken seriously. So for that reason, I say Harry. So it's kind
of like comparing lock Car to aKardashian and and Harry too. I was
gonna say Hitler, but like,obviously Harry's not Hitler, Like what like

(49:10):
the guy who killed I don't knowwho the guy is who killed Hitler?
Do you it was Hitler? Hitlerkilled himself. Hitler killed himself? We
did, yeah, Hitler? OHIright now? Did he really did that
famous as Hitler because it was Hitler? Oh well, well, there you

(49:30):
go. It's a perfect example.Then example, I was gonna say,
like in America, the Founding Fathers, but like I don't know if even
that translates because like I'm trying tothink of like Harry's more of like like
a legend, right like especially intheir community. Meanwhile, Lockhart is kind
of like a celebrity. So soit's a Kardashian and Bigfoot. I mean,

(50:00):
here's the deal, Like, likeI mean, okay, like a
Lockhart probably is not Kardashian big Butmy point is we're having a hard time
coming up with a comparison for Harry, and we immediately got one for Lockhart,
and I'm not I'm not like fightingand I'm not arguing that Lockhart is
more famous than Harry, but he'sprobably got a lot more I feel like

(50:22):
he's got some points. He's gota lot more recognition than Harry. Sure,
like Harry is a historic figure forthe thing, but it's just like
the one. It's like the guywho shot Abraham Lincoln. Why am I
just thinking about dead people? Idon't know anyway? Um, but like,
do you know what I'm saying?Do you get what I'm saying?
No, I get it. Ithink that I think the Lockhart is more

(50:45):
famous than Harry, depending on hispublishing deal with his books. If they
if it's just in the UK,Harry's more famous. Um, if fits
worldwide, it's probably Lockhart because Ibet his books are being shipped all around
the world. It's an interesting onefor the listeners. I'm I'm anxious to

(51:07):
see that actually is a really goodquestion. But so I have a kind
of comparison in the series for Harry. What if like what if you viewed
Harry like one of the founders ofHogwarts, where they're famous for what they
did but people don't know a wholelot about them. So like Harry is
famous for what he did, butno one knows anything about him until he

(51:30):
shows up at Hogwarts. I mean, do you think that in three hundred
years people in Hogwarts would be talkingabout Harry the same way that they talked
about Godrick Gryffindor. I think it'spossible. Well, Harry is going to

(51:50):
be in the history books forever.Yeah, people talk about god or Griffin.
I mean, you hear Gryffindor's nameevery day at Hogwarts because it's the
name of one of the houses.His name is invoked many, several times
a day. But with Harry,I feel like he's gonna come up.
But he's probably gonna come up insay History of Magic, because that war

(52:13):
is definitely gonna get talked about byProfessor Bins. He's probably it will be,
and it would be funny because hegets his students' names wrong to their
faces. Yeah, every time Idon't think he knows the names of any
of his students, he calls HarryPotter Perkins. So he's probably it's gonna
finally be the day that he getsHarry's name right, because when he's citing

(52:36):
a historical sources. It's just bins. Is just another vote in the Lockhart
is More Famous album? Let's bereal anyway? God? Yeah, So
in the tell us in the comments, guys, tell us what you think
he's more famous? And we're gonnaput a pull up on social media because
I need I need numbers. That'sreally official numbers. Yeah, it's true,

(53:00):
Yeah, we need that. Yeah. So we've got a lot of
good characterization notes here. I'm notcertain who pink is in the dock?
Is this about? That's okay?Does I like this question here? Yeah?
I wanted to every time, andI partially blame as I've already stated,
um I enjoy Jim Dane is anarrator. I do not care for

(53:23):
his characterization of Lockhart because it haszero charisma. But I cannot decide which
just makes me go more. It'seither Lockhart saying Harry Harry Harry or Umbridge
going I can't down. Yeah.I feel like if there had been more

(53:50):
triple Harry's in the book, wewould be saying that instead, But Umbridge
is him. I think tops itfor me, But I know what you're
talking about. That scene does irkme for or the audiobook I think in
general Lockhart doesn't bother me, butfor some reason the triple Harry, I'm
like, oh, speed it up. I'm American, I need my time
back. Come on, everything needsto be immediate. I like it.

(54:14):
I think I think that line isa lot of fun I personally like it.
Yeah, And I mean the funnything is with the two actors that
play these two respective characters in thefilms, Kenneth Branoff and Emelda Staunton,
the way they even, the waythey play those particular characters. Those two
actors actually have a fantastic amount ofcharismas so if anything they make the character

(54:34):
is harder to hate. It's true. Lockhart is I think Gildroy Lockhart is
a bit older than I think KennethBranoff might. Has this been said before
that he's a bit older than Ithink Lockhart is intended to be. Yeah,
all of them are. Can wehave indications on how old? Yeah?
I think we know his birthday.Actually, let's see, um,

(54:55):
gilder Roy, I almost am almostpositive I remember him being an aquarius.
You're so good at Yeah. Hisbirthdays January twenty six, nineteen sixty four,
So this is nineteen ninety two,seventy four, eighty four, twenty
eight. No, you're right,Wait, you're right. He's twenty eight
years old. Wow, And KennethBranna does not handsome as he is,

(55:22):
does know, he was born innineteen sixty, so he is only two
years older than Lockhart is today.However, in nineteen sixty they filmed this
and what This movie came out intwo thousand and two, so they would
have filmed it in two thousand andone. So yeah, he was forty
one. Yeah, that's movie.Magic guy doesn't matter to me because Kenneth

(55:45):
Brannah's beautiful. Look at him atany age, absolute delight. I want
his outfit very badly. The styles, oh peak, yeah, his outfit.
Yet you know you bring up theirstyles like I love the description of
his clothes because they're close that Iwould probably wear myself, especially like the
lilac and the exactly like I wouldwear those colors, and I would wear

(56:10):
those like silky soft robes. Sure, but when it comes to like the
descriptions of these two teachers from thebeginning of this chapter, Lockhart and Sprout,
like, I prefer sprouts description becauseyou want a harbology professor who looks
like they spend a lot of timeworking in dirt, and they're not.
It's not that they're not concerned aboutbeing presentable when the time comes for it,

(56:31):
but you want them to look likethey take their job seriously. And
herbology is very, very practical.You're not just planting things, you're caring
for them, you're collecting them,and you're using them for very very important
things. So a herbology teacher coveredin dirt is preferable to me to a
defense against the dark arts teacher whospends too much time on their hair,

(56:51):
like it would be like a cleancoal miner. What did you do all
day? Yeah, but we domanaged to get into class at some point,
even though Harry's a little bit late, and so we get a lesson
on mandrakes. And I just wantedto give another shout out to this lovely
book that just came out as whenthe thing wait, I'm houlding it up.

(57:12):
Thank you, lovely book. PerfectCat is modeling it the unofficial Harry
Potter Companion Volume two, Chamber ofSecrets. It's an absolute delight. There
is a feature specifically on Mandrakes thaty'all have to dive into because it's wonderful.
There's a really long and extensive historyof mandrakes. I will only give
you two little tidbits, two littlequotes that I took from that section.

(57:34):
There's a whole lot more. There'sa whole lot more, So dive in,
go take a look. So thefirst quote that I've got is the
European variety of this plant goes bymany names, Mandragora, mandrake apple,
Satan's apple, herb of sarcy,which is mannequin, sorcerer's route, and
the hand of Glory among them.I did not know any of the other

(57:57):
names when we started up this book. That was a delight to learn about.
Um. Satan's Apple came as ahuge surprise to me. My favorite
is hand of Glory, since wesee the actual hand of glory in this
and in circle. It's like we'reharmonizing. I like it. Ever emphasode

(58:23):
okay, good. Now we're achoir. I mean you have to.
If you're not on a podcast andyou sing something you're not, don't tempt
me. I know how to puta choir together. I'll turn us into
one real quick. Hey man.We already have like songs that Patrick wrote
and produced and are out in theworld. We made Wizard Rock terrific.
So I put together a collective thatwe now call the House Elf Tavern Choir.

(58:47):
We've got like two songs out sofar, written by different people,
but we keep threatening to do more. So it's a thing you don't need
a threaten. You can just doit a good time. Can Now when
you talk about man Dreakes in thebook, do you do you happen to
know since it's in the book,is there any kind of ministry of magic

(59:08):
classification for plants similar to the onethat they have in Fantastic Beasts and where
to find them? Because I knowit says in the book that Greenhouse three
houses far more interesting plants. ButI'm wondering is interesting like what they can
do or be used for, oris interesting what they can do to you?

(59:30):
Because a man Drake when it growsup, can kill you just by
crying. There's no classification. Andwe talked about this recently on an episode.
Of course I forget which one itwas, but we had Tyler star
on previously from the Protago Foundation,and we talked a bit about plants and

(59:51):
yeah, plants are like one ofthose weird things in the Wizarding World where
they're not sentient but they act likethey are. They're not animals, but
some of them act like they are. They're not wizards, but some of
them act like they are. Yeah, well it was weird lawyers, but
there probably should be some sort ofclassification for some of the plan I'm sure
at the very least. Yeah,because I mean, these ones seem especially

(01:00:14):
sentient because Professor Sprout talks about howwhen they get older and they get mature,
they start trying to move into eachother's and they throw a big party
with each other. Oh my god. Yeah. I started working on a
song that I never finished called Partyin Greenhouse three. It's supposed to be

(01:00:35):
a parody of Miley Cyrus's Party inthe USA. I'm gone better. That
sounds amazing. That's very good.Now. I did finish a song called
Herbology one oh one, which isbasically just about how awesome plants are.
I cannot remember for the life ofme if I mentioned man breaks in it
or not, though, and ifI didn't, then shame on me.

(01:00:58):
I made a great long list ofevery magical plant I could think of,
and I tried to include all ofthem and not repeat them. They've got
to be in there somewhere. It'sI wrote it. You would think I
would know you'll write a lot ofwonderful music, so I could see why
you might forget like one or twodetails. But there actually is a real
mandrake. And the second quote thatI have from our book is about sort

(01:01:21):
of like the strange properties of thereal actual mandrake plant that exists in real
life. So the true mandrake plantsobtain a powerful alkaloid that make them useful
and ancient medicine, but also dangerous. The herb can cause hallucinations, delirium,
enlarge doses, and enlarge doses,coma, and death. And that

(01:01:42):
is a terrifying fact. I think, like the all the legends about the
feature goes on to list like literaryreferences, mythological references, and even some
legends on how to harvest them.And it's so interesting. I don't want
to give anything away for you guys, aside from the quotes that I've given
you, but oh my god,it's so good. Go read it.
It's ver good. There's also awhole timeline about where, like what points

(01:02:05):
in the year everything happens to theman Drake, which is a lot of
fun to see, just like exactlyhow long it takes Sprout to raise them
and then murder them. Would ifif the if these man drakes existed in
the real world, would they beone of the top um I guess subjects

(01:02:27):
for the Protago Foundation to stop beingused in uh. I mean probably probably
if they were, if they weretruly if they were sent you know,
semi sentiant like this in the realworld. Yeah, I feel like also,
I also think that the Greenhouse setup maybe the smartest thing that Hargwarts

(01:02:50):
does to protect your students um byactually having Hey, these are very dangerous
things, don't mess with them.They're only Greenhouse three. I don't know
if there's different security on, butcertainly there's only like only like your three's
and up are should be allowed inGreenhouse three at least. I like how

(01:03:12):
you're assuming that there's security at all. Well, at least, yeah,
because telling all the kids not togo to the third floor corrid or worked
out so well. They set theyset traps, they set up obstacles in
front of that dang mirror, andthey still didn't do the job. I

(01:03:35):
get where I get where you're going. Like, I do agree it's good
to keep it separate and like classifiedand try to restrict access. But I
mean Kat has a point the securitymeasures in general at Hogwarts, But then
at Hogwarts, I'm talking about thegreenhouses that are overseeing, specifically by Sprout.
That seems to be very very That'swhy right Sprouts are doing it,

(01:03:59):
not Dumbledore is Yeah, yeah,see, I mean that's fair. I'll
give you that. I can atleast see Professor Sprout being especially protective of
her plants, not just for thestudent's sake, but also for the sake
of her plants, because obviously,you know, people who are really into
plants are really into plants, likethey they care about them a lot,

(01:04:23):
and one's as important as these.I can any Sprout seems to have some
type of respect with the plants anyway, because it in this scene, the
venomous Tentacular is teething and she andthen like like Wilkes away from her,
you know, so it doesn't likebier Or because it's a baby venomous tentacular

(01:04:45):
that's why it's teething. She's themaster of the little baby dangerous plant or
maybe they keeth their entire life.Wouldn't that be just about it? They
just mean sharks do? Don't sharksgrow and like lose their teeth their whole
lives? Maybe? I don't know. Ask shark week, shark week.

(01:05:08):
How about teeth facts? Hang on, I'm googling shark teeth facts. Sharks
have five to fifteen rows of teeth, except for the bull shark, who
has fifty. Shark teeth aren't attachedto the gums like human teeth, nor
do they have roots. Shark teethand human teeth are the same density,

(01:05:30):
meaning they're equally as hard. Sharkstypically lose their teeth when they get stuck
inside their prey. That's just whatI pulled real quick off Google. I
mean, this isn't a shark podcast. It could be if we wanted it
to be, but you know,I'm gonna I'm just gonna leave it there.
Gross, we're not shark experts.There's probably a shark expert podcast for
yourself. I'm such a shark expert. I know everything. The only shark

(01:05:56):
I know is shark tank. LikeI can talk about that, but that's
that's it. Very different. Wait, want to talk about songs? Being
in people's heads. Baby, Ithink every night. It doesn't matter to
night. All right? Did shedo the little thing too? Oh?

(01:06:24):
My wife, my wife, bothgirls. I'll send you a video.
Wait, I'm gonna tie it backto Harry Potter here because Luke young Blood,
who played Lee Jordan in the films, voices one of the sharks in
the animated Baby Shark cartoon. Reallyyep, Oh, Luke does a lot

(01:06:44):
of animation and voice over. Yeah, he's great. Cool. Yeah,
I've probably seen him in something else. I just never knew. I watched
so many animated things. Probably didyou ever watch Gallivant HONEYBC? Oh my
god, I started up on thatone and I keep meaning to go back
to. I actually really enjoyed it. I enjoyed like the first episode or
two. Yeah, well, hehas said on that. I think that

(01:07:06):
I had seen that even before Ihad went to the nineteen years later,
the the thing that DEGI think,yes, yes, yes, anyway,
back to herbology class, Back toherbology. Yeah, I kind of wonder
like anytime I think about herbology,I end up thinking about Neville because it's

(01:07:28):
his passion, it's what he loves. Obviously, Sprout loves it. Her
name is Sprout t He very clever, and it makes me think with a
lot of these things that you studyat Hogwarts, you can apply them in
different ways. And we know whenwe find out in the Order of the
Phoenix that different professions have specific requirementsas far as grades and certain subjects,
and a lot of them do mentionherbology. But what if herbology is what

(01:07:53):
you're passionate about, Like, whatcan you do with if herbology is like
the one thing that you know,Like you're okay at charms, you didn't
really do that great in defense againstthe Dark Arts. Maybe potions is okay,
but it's not your favorite. Butherbology is something that you know very
very well. What can you dowith that? I wonder if there's like

(01:08:14):
a scientist option for wizards, youknow, yeah, like I was thinking
that there would be. I waseven I even ended up turning this into
a phony article for the Daily Prophetfor a project that my friend is doing
in connection with Misty Khan, andI said that they should announce that the
Ministry of Magic and Saint Mungo's arecooperating on setting up a new department like

(01:08:36):
the Department of Magical Botany and Plantsor something where you have people who are
specifically tasked with growing, cultivating,and even generating new new breeds of magical
plants that are used for specific things. Because auras have to know poisons and
antidotes, but maybe they're not sogreat at finding what they need to make

(01:08:57):
them, and Saint Mungo's sure reallyhas to have, you know, a
healthy supply of all the things theyneed to make up their remedies. So
maybe there's a way they could setsomething up for people who are particularly good
with magical plants, because you needa lot of them. Yeah, I
guess you could open up an intoprobably a private greenhouse or a farm of
some kind, and then you wouldprobably end up opening like a shop or

(01:09:19):
a roadside stand. We know,you can write books. People write books
about literally everything in the wizarding world. I mean, who in the wizarding
world doesn't have a book? Graceand I have a book. But anyway,
baby, sure, I'm sorry thatis so stuck in my head now.
Gosh. Also, I think prettymuch every job uses her biology somehow.

(01:09:41):
I think, Yeah, you mentionedyou mentioned the first thing that popped
in a mind for me, werethe healers, Yeah for sure. Something
else that I always think about withthis chapter is that we meet two very
interesting examples of muggle born students.The first one we meet here is Justin
Finch Fletchley in Herbology, and thething that always sticks out about him to

(01:10:03):
me is the fact that his namewas down for Eton. This is like
the private school of private schools inthe world. And Kat, you work
at a private school now, right, I do. This is the private
school where like the future leaders ofat least the UK, if not the
world, goo like Eddie Redman,Tom Hiteleston went to this school. Both

(01:10:26):
the Harry and William, the princesof the royal family, they went to
this school. The former prime ministersand other like advisors to the government,
they go. This is where yougo if you want to be an important
person. And he turned that downto do this at Hogwarts. So either
his family is important or his familyis at least connected enough to people who

(01:10:49):
intermingle, like how we were talkingearlier about how the Slytherin families probably do.
I can't. I gotta know heturns down a chance to go to
eat and to go to Hogwarts andpeople are probably asking about him. What
are his parents telling them? Howrich must he be? How much money
must this family have? Wildly?I wonder that though, because, like

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I didn't look up the statistics onit, but based on the list of
famous alumni from Eaton, there areclearly families who have a lot of money
who send their kids here. Thisis a difficult school to get into.
I don't know if they have scholarship, you know, cases, or not
particularly brilliant students who excel at theexam you have to take. But the
point is he can't just walk intothis school. It took something and for

(01:11:38):
him to be good enough to beaccepted. If his parents weren't connected to
somebody before this, then they wouldbe now. And people are going to
wonder why he didn't go up.I just looked it up and Eaton is
about the same size as Hogwarts,if you believe the author's poor math,
or just about about thirteen hundred students. And yeah, Eaton is absolutely the
premier private high school or whatever theycall it over there. Sorry I'm not

(01:12:02):
I'm not second. Is it second? I don't know. We don't have
a brit On the show anyway,I'm not sure what are his parents telling
people. I mean too, Here'sthe thing, Like, I think it's
safe to assume that they're connected andthey probably know other people that go to

(01:12:24):
that school. But Justin just mightbe really smart and very talented, and
maybe his family is just independently wealthyand he decided that he wanted to go
there because he wanted to someday beprime minister. I don't know. And
then he was like, whoa,I'm a wizard. That's way cooler than

(01:12:44):
being prime minister. PA's out eatand I'm going to Hogwarts. Yeah,
you know, And I mean you, if you're the kind of kid who's
going to go to Eaton, it'sprobably something that your parents decided for you
a long time ago. Like,I do not get the vibe that kids
aspire to go to eaton the way, you know, young adults aspire to

(01:13:06):
get into certain colleges for certain reasons. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know.
I just kind of get this sensethat going to eaton is very very
much your parents chose this for you, and it would take a lot to
convince them that you shouldn't have todo it. Justin specifically says his mom
was a bit disappointed, but afterreading Lockhart's books, she sees how useful

(01:13:29):
it will be to have a wizardin the family. So congratulations, Gildroy
Lockhart. Your phony baloney books haveconvinced an innocent mother not to give her
child an excellential So there's a there'sa I'm not sure theory is the right
word, but an assumption that peoplewith a lot of last names come from
rich families, because the more lastnames you have, the more wills you
could be in. So justin Finch, Fletchley, two last names. Probably

(01:13:55):
just a classic castle, you guys. It's true. She's an heiress and
struggling to find a house in ourhorrible housing market. I'm sitting in a
castle next to the sea. Peopleare fanning me off to the side,
and every time I drink someone refillsit off to this side. I'm just
saying it ain't Ain't nobody ever rolledup on a cook. I do believe

(01:14:17):
that last bit, but only becauseI know what a supportive partner do you
have. Oh, thank you.I'll be happy to hear that. Yeah,
but you know, maybe maybe hisfamily just I mean, it's probably
it's pretty easy to just be like, oh, he's in he decided to
go to boarding school in America.True. Yeah, it doesn't have to

(01:14:38):
be super elaborate. You know,they're probably just said it's an even more
boarding school and he's going to.But my question is how annoyed did these
kids that get into eat and getwhen you like, fake that you don't
know what eating is. So like, what if someone says that they go
to eating and you'll be like eating, like you'll you're eating something eating.

(01:15:00):
It's just fake that you don't knowthis school at all, because it's like
a it's like faking that you don'tknow what hard No Harvard or Yale or
something like any of those elite schools. It's so fun. Yeah, it
will be like when Andy Bernard onthe Office constantly talks about going to Cornell
and some people mess with them like, oh, where'd you go to school?

(01:15:24):
For you? I appreciate. Okay, So we've brought up parks and
rec now the office. We justneed Brooklyn nine nine in the good place
and we have all the mic sharecomedies covered. So okay, cool,
cool cool, Yeah, Okay,that one was forced, but I'll do
I'll give it to you. Itwas not forced. You forced open the
dumbled water. When we collect allof them, that's when we all start

(01:15:46):
glowing, and then we ascend intonirvana. That's what happens. We just
haven't told everyone yet. There wego. There's something else in this chapter
that bugs me every time I readit. It's the fact that they are
turning beetles into buttons and transfiguration class, and after the class, Hermione shows
her friends the handful of perfect buttonsthat she's wait wait wait wait, wait

(01:16:11):
wait wait, and I'm like,okay, first of all, what it
bugs you? Come on, comeon, it bugs you? You said
it. Okay, First of all, actually I appreciate you catching that because

(01:16:34):
I didn't. I didn't even thinkthat one through. That's a good,
that's a good, says Oh wait, thanks for that. Yeah, um,
okay, it bothers me. Sureof course it should bother you.
It should bother you. First ofall, again, with this of turning
living things into things that are notliving whatever, obviously we're not gonna we're

(01:16:58):
not gonna win that. We're notjust it's a weird thing they do.
Children right here, right now,we'll be here. We'll be here for
I'll never Okay, you know what, I will narrow it down. I
will narrow it down to one onething. Never mind setting aside for a
moment the ethics of turning living thingsinto objects. If Hermione does not turn

(01:17:24):
the buttons back into beatles, dothey remain buttons? Or does the magic
eventually wear off? Calling me callingme yes, Kat please? So magic
wears off with death. And thisis something that has been confirmed. I
can't think of that example in thebook, although I know it it's confirmed.
So I'm going to give you anexample from the film and leave it

(01:17:44):
to our listeners to confirm from amoment from the book. But francis the
fish one of the best additions tothe story via the films, because Slughorn
says again half bloodprint reference. Man, here it is. But slug Horn
says that the fish disappeared when Lilydied. I did. I did enjoy

(01:18:05):
that. That was one thing theyadded to the films that, like you,
I I quite enjoyed that they addedthat. I thought it was.
It was Also it was a goodJim Broadbent like dramatic scene. You gotta
give him plenty of those because youget Jim Broadbent in your movie, you
gotta give. But my or myquestion is, so the magic wears off,
they turned back to beetles. Arethey dead or are they alive?

(01:18:30):
Like Josh, if it's been fiftyyears, those are dead beats right,
it would be like you're suspended andpetrified as a button, so you don't
need sustenance. So that way,whenever you become your beetles self again,
you're just it's like you've just beenmoved forward. So could you it's like

(01:18:56):
be frozen beetle? H Now thatmight I mean, apart from the fact
that you're the one deciding things foranother living creature, it almost solves the
ethical dilemma of turning a living thinginto an object if you suspend it in
a cryogenic state and then it goesback to its usual self as if nothing

(01:19:17):
had happened when you under wouldn't itwhile wouldn't it There's no there's like,
there's no free radical deterioration of theself, there's no heartbeat, there's no
functions going on. Everything has ceased. You are immediately you just cease,

(01:19:39):
and then all of a sudden you'rea meato again and you're like, oh,
this looks different. They painted thewalls. You might have sold me
on this idea, if I'm beingreal, because I was about to say,
like, the more option is thatthey just die, that they're just
dead, and like I've yeah,I just don't see the reason why they
would die. Yeah, Like there'sno there's no life to deteriorate. I

(01:20:08):
think they'd be mummified. But Isee where you're coming from, But I
think they would just be mummified becauseyou're right, there's nothing sustaining them.
So I feel like they were turnedinto a button. Their their their soul
is gone. They know how,they no longer have a soul. They're
an inanimate object and ergo their body, which is now a button, just

(01:20:29):
mummifies it. Also, this wholeconversation made me think about the rumor I
heard when I was a kid thatWalt Disney was frozen. They're going to
bring him back to life someday.So was Walt Disney a wizard? Maybe
it's a beatle? Is he acryogenically frozen beetle? As a button?
Was Walso through the Dark Lord,he did put Mickey Mouse in a he

(01:20:51):
did put Mickey Mouse in a wizardrobe in a hat for a lot of
occasions. So maybe that was aclose don't trying to us, Sorry,
the I just keep coming back tothe mummy or like even during mummification,
there's still decay that happens, likeyou dry out as a button. No

(01:21:13):
liquid like yeah, no bodily liquidcould evaporate or anything. Man, I
just I think they just come back, man, But buttons do deteriorate over
time. Buttons do break and becomebrittle and fall apart, especially especially if
they're made of organic materials. Okay, there would still be signs of wear.

(01:21:40):
So part of the deterioration of buttonshas to do with with some sort
of erosion that's happening with that button, Like you're rubbing up when you're touching.
Yeah, like things aren't coming off. So if you do that enough,
Yeah, the actual sales that aremaking up the former beetle current button,
they're gone, Like they're being removedfrom the button. So that way,

(01:22:00):
whenever they would become a beetle again, those cells would still be gone.
I'm not laughing at you, it'sjust you said something that I think
would make a great title and Iwrote it down, so it's making I
got yeee. Normally I would sayI've opened a can of worms by asking
this question, but it's more likeI opened a box of beetle buttons.

(01:22:25):
Listeners, tell us what you think. Yeah, the listeners are going to
have I'm I'm calling it the listenersfor me mummies, Yes, our beetle
buttons mummies or are they Walt Disney. That's the question. That's the real
question on that exactly that we're bringingback podcast question of the week and that

(01:22:46):
is it this week? Nice?That's really good. Yeah. Um,
speaking of bugging people on purpose thattime. Yeah, because let's talk about
little little baby Colin Creevy. Maybeit's just me. I love I love

(01:23:12):
little Colin just because he's so he'ssuch a wholesome little guy. Yeah.
I get that he's annoying and ifit was happening to me, it would
probably bother me. But he justhe's so happy all the time. Every
time. All he has to dois like see Harry and he's so happy.
He's got a little friend crush,like my, my, I love
Colin so much and I've I've saidthis a billion times already, but like

(01:23:34):
Colin is the death that hit methe hardest, weirdly enough in the books,
and Colin is just like such alittle ray of sunshine. He's so
he's such a delight, even thoughlike he's he is tone deaf to the
to his own detriment, he istone deaf. So um, I love
that boy, but he he Ifeel like he needs to learn to read

(01:23:56):
the room a little bit. Yeah, but it's very charming. But he's
he's eleven and upside down, andI guess And so it all kicks back
to why is he's hyper focused onHarry? And it has to be because
we read the name in something andhit subclassmate. Yeah, let mean Hermione

(01:24:19):
gives Harry a bibliography on their firstmeeting of books that mention him, So
yeah, he probably there's definitely materialout there. Dobby and Colin Creavy are
the same person, Yes, absolutely, and and and I think that's why
the death hit you that hard,grace, because we Dobby is a death
that we always hear about hitting people'shardness, not me, because Dobby sucks.

(01:24:42):
Um, but this is what's okay, Joe, Josh and I.
We can be friends and disagree onthis, I like, maybe I kind
of like serious, I don't likedo Abby. And that's really where me
and Cat's differences begin an end.See, I I enjoy the the un

(01:25:10):
barre like, the incredibly like ludicrouslike tapestry that I would unravel if I
were to tug at that thread ofDobby and Colin Creevy are the same person.
But then I hit this giant blockof Dobby died in front of Harry's
face, and they buried him,and then they brought Colin Creevy's body in
from the grounds during the Battle ofHogwarts. So if you're telling me,

(01:25:33):
they buried Dobby and then he dughis way out to go back to the
battle and then died a second time. Okay, I don't actually mean the
same person. I think like,uh no, no, what the spiritually
no not, that's not the word. Um um what the nope? M

(01:25:58):
I'm tryingaphorically so like they're meant they'remeant to be mirrors of each other.
Actually, I was gonna say,I think what we're seeing here is more
of a mirror between Weirdly enough justinfluence Freshly and Colin Creevy, because these
two individuals that we see are wildlydifferent in personality as well as their background.

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You see Justin, he jumps indirectly into the conversation. He's very
forceful about his personality and like Colindoes the same thing, but he's actually
a lot more shy about it.But Justin actually makes it known that like
he's from a certain class, hehad the ability to go to a whole
other school. Like Colin, Creevystarts in with, I already just learned

(01:26:42):
about this. My dad was amilkman. I don't I didn't even know.
Imagine his surprised, Like he's sucha sweetie pie, he's like such
a wonderful boy. Yeah, Justingives off Draco vobs for me, where
it's this is who I am,this is what I can do, this
is yeah, this is me meme, me, me that, And
that's kind of healthy. Conversation isdriven to where it's with Justin, and

(01:27:09):
then even with Colin giving him ofhis backstory, he keeps pulling it back
to Harry. Though you're in thesebooks. You I heard about this,
you did this and this and thatand can I have a picture of you?
And blah blah blah. Yeah,Colin doesn't talk too much about himself.
I mean he mentions to he mentionshis dad's a milkman. I'm sending
in pictures. And then he getssuper psyched when his brother starts attending.

(01:27:29):
But even he and his brother,like his brother jumps on the Harry Potter
bandwagon, Yeah, pretty fast assoon as he's there. But it's Colin's
probably hyping up Harry, you know, while he's at home. It's probably
what he talks, just like Dracoanyway. Yeah, just like Draco over
there being super jealous, like that'swhy, that's not why, that's why

(01:27:50):
he busts up like the little autographpicture like meet and greet session that Harry's
having in the hallway. It's notbecause he thinks Harry's dumb and Colin cree
he's a little slime. It's becausehe's trying to walk up and say,
excuse me, get away from myman, and you little man, so
benevolent, little bit wholesome pers littlebeetle button. Yeah, now I have

(01:28:15):
I have a theory about why Dracobusts this out. Of course, he
thinks that he is shaming Ron inthis moment, right, like, oh,
why don't you get one of HarryPotter signed photos and sell it,
blah blah blah. I think thisis actually Draco like showing his hand a
bit here when it comes to Harry. So if you remember there when we
got some of the background information onthe Malfoys on Pottermore, there was this

(01:28:41):
part that talked about how Draco andLucius, of course is where it came
from, but that they thought Harrywas going to be the next dark Lord.
So Draco's goal when he went toschool and all he'd been hearing about
all this time was how great HarryPotter's going to be, is going to
be the next dark Lord? Likebe friends with him, all these things

(01:29:02):
whatever. And I think this isDraco like showing his hand here. If
Draco really hated Harry and still hadall those negative thoughts for Harry, he
would not think that that photo wasworth a sickle, never mind a lot
of money. That's interesting, Andit's the first time I've ever thought about

(01:29:25):
that. I read at this timeand I was like, wait a minute,
here, Draco is like giving Harrya lot of credit for how much
he supposedly hates him. We allknow that he loves him. It's fine,
but you know, um, whatdo you think. I think that
Draco at least understands the magical worldin which he has grown up in and
knows why Harry. I mean,we all know what, you know,
We all understand that Draco knows whyHarry is famous. But I think that

(01:29:49):
Lucius says multiple times and I believein yeah, earlier in this book,
Hey, it's not a it's nota good idea to get on Harry,
go against Harry Potter. Let peopleknow that you're against Harry Potter. So
he understands at least, hey,he's famous. There's not really anything I

(01:30:11):
can do about it. I thinka more interesting point is whenever he says
he brings up I don't think gettingthat getting your head cut open makes you
that special to me? And Imean, yeah, it does. It
just does. Draco, I don'tknow what to tell you. I think

(01:30:32):
that's an ironic line, given howhe's injured by buckbeat in the next time,
it's okay, just further reassurances thatwhen you want to tear down somebody,
you are willing to be a hypocritein order to do it. Ground
I will say, I do thinkthat Colin has a little bit of a
crush on who wouldn't, Oh,dep for definite sure he does. Harry.

(01:30:54):
Also, it's cool to have,Like, it's cool to have little
platonic friend crushes, Like that's that'spart of the spectrum of human emotion.
Like you can vibe that strongly withsomebody that like you, you enjoy being
around them compared to other people,and that they spark particular feelings in you
that aren't necessarily romantic or sexual oror amorous, whatever you want to call

(01:31:17):
it. Just you can you canhave friend crushes. It's cute. That's
a really sweet way of looking atit. I never looked at it that
way. I don't even think i'dheard of that. That's delightful. I
think, oh, that's really cool. No, definitely you can't. Okay.
I like that. I like that. I like the idea of also
him being just like just a normalcrush on Harry but also a platonic friend

(01:31:38):
crush is very sweet. I likeboth of these. Both are good.
Um. I also wanted to expandon the fact that he shows a little
bit of nerve when Draco Malfoy andhis buddy's crab and Goile come over and
we were already discussing Draco anyway.But like the fact that he stands up
to them, along with Um,along with the trio, is like very

(01:31:59):
good, very good for him.He's just showing his Griffindor's side. Yeah,
it's like when Ginny tells Draco toyou know, sought off and leave
him alone in the bookstore. It'slike people are there's something about Harry that
makes people want to stand up toother people, stand up to Jack Gasser.
Harry goes to a great amount oftrouble to rescue other people. So

(01:32:21):
amy it clearly it's it's reciprocal.Well, and and Harry leads by example.
That's that's what Neville says. Anddefinitely hallows, Hey, you won't
get to do this because you Yes, he stands up for himself first and
shows people the path. Yeah.Born will say I think Draco has a

(01:32:41):
point with the autographs, And Iwill only say that because I think I
think he does. Because because ifyou do sell those autographs, they're probably
worth a good amount of money.And if you're worried about like if the
Wheelers are worried about money in anyway, this is such a good way
of like Harry paying them back,but not having to do it from his

(01:33:02):
own account. Like let's just sayhe just conveniently signs a bunch of things,
then Fred and George take care ofselling it because they're crafty. They're
crafty af as we know. Um, that's extra money for these I know
it's Harry would literally never do thatthough. That's the point. He'd rather
give up his whole personal fortune,knew it if it would help the Weaselies.

(01:33:28):
But Harry, it's even stated inone of the books, he would
gladly split all the money in hisGreen Goots vaults with the Weaselies, but
he knows they'll never take it.He has to blackmail Fred and George into
taking his triwizard wedding. This isn'tThis just means he has to sign things.
It's not giving them any money atall. It isn't charity. He
just has to sign a bunch ofthings and then those gets sold. And

(01:33:51):
look, I know it's a farout idea. I could probably I think
there's a lot of fan fiction materialin what Gray is proposing. I just
would it would have to be likeif I'm writing it, I'm gonna have
to handle it myself on really,see, I've written fan fictions that just
go way off the reservation of umwhat the characters would actually do in the

(01:34:16):
canon series. But there are somesmall details that I personally, when I
write fan fiction, I feel likeI always have to retain. And one
of those things that I might havea little bit of trouble with with Fred
and George is it's not just thatthey are men of business or that they
are good at making money. It'sthat the product that they are specifically interested
in marketing is joke items. Soif they're going to hawk these autograph pictures

(01:34:40):
that Harry is signing like, there'sgot to be a very Fred and George
ish twist to it. Could youimagine the howler that would be sent?
Yeah, missus Wesley when she foundout, Oh yeah, that would be
that. That's that's a howler.Her adoptive son is exploiting himself to help

(01:35:03):
them have them. Oh man,all right, Well, on that note,
do you guys want to move intoclass? Now that that we have
we have gone through all the allof the Shenanigans, if you can call
it a class. We go froman exemplary herbology lesson what I assume is

(01:35:26):
a good transfiguration lesson, and weend with from what we hear Every defense
against the Dark Arts class with Lockhartis basically this, except this one also
has creatures that he has no ideahow to handle. He did not prepare
for this. It's interesting though,Lupin gets a lot of credit for his

(01:35:49):
first lesson being practical, and Lockharttried to make his first Dada class a
practical lesson that is not trying.That's not trying. What was the practical
Okay, was this a practical lessonor was this out of the book.
It's a practical lesson if you adoptthe viewpoint that it's if you assume that

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Hermione is the real teacher here,because she's the only one who does anything
about it. Well, I alwayswondered, is Lockhart afraid of the Pixies?
Like, why did he choose pixiesif he's afraid of them? Does
he not? Does he? Imean? Obviously the spell that he uses
is just if you break it down, which we do in the volume two

(01:36:34):
of the Unofficial Harry Potter Companion Chamber, now available for I'm So Bad at
promoting my own stuff. But anyway, like, why did Lockhart choose that
if he doesn't actually know how todeal with him? And I know I
know what the answer is, obviously, I know the answer is, but
we should discuss it anyway. Andis he afraid of them? Is he?
I don't understand why this is thelesson if he one can't deal with

(01:37:00):
them. I think he incorrectly assumesbecause of their size, that they're not
going to be much to worry about. I also think there's something inherently like
this is what I think pixies aresupposed to be like in mythology, Like
I think this is an accurate representationof what real pixies are. But I
think a lot of people like thename Pixie. It sounds cute. He

(01:37:26):
probably thought they were this cute smallthing that he probably bought for I'm guessing
probably not a lot of money,or maybe the school paid for it.
I don't know, but he probablyincorrectly assumed, because of their name and
their small stature, that they wouldn'tbe much to worry about. But I
don't think he's worried about them becauseof their chaotic energy or their sharp teeth
or the fact that they can fly. I think Gildoy Lockhart is truly threatened

(01:37:47):
by anything that can mess up hishair. Okay, anything that will ruin
his quaff. That is something he'sgoing to be afraid of. This little
bit character assessment I'd like to putin here because we god, I'm gonna
say this is the last time I'mgonna say we discuss this in the book.
I'm I'm not gonna quote it.We discuss Lockhart's character a little bit

(01:38:10):
more in depth, and there's abit of a deep dive on how narcissism
works in certain people. And I'vebeen doing some research on narcissism personally for
my own book that I'm working onright now, and narcissism is particularly like
insidious in many ways because you imaginea narcissist is in love with themselves.

(01:38:31):
That's why they're named a narcissist.But what really happens within the mind of
a narcissist is that they've invented aversion of themselves that they love, and
they try to make everyone else believearound them that this person exists. So
it's almost this ulterior version of themselvesthat they insist on reminding everyone exists and

(01:38:53):
that they should also be, thatthey should also admire. So I think
in Lockhart's mind he has a severeamount of self loathing because he himself will
never measure up to that internal selfthat's in his mind that he feels that
he should be, that he's tryingto fool everyone into thinking exists. So
I think that he imagines that imaginedself can handle these pixies no problem.

(01:39:18):
So when he sees them, hethinks, oh, of course, I'm
extremely I'm extremely good at everything thatI do. And in his mind,
in the back of his mind,he's like, yeah, I've done a
ton of things that are very challenging. I could definitely handle a basketful of
or like a cage full of pixies. It's no issue at all. So
when he's faced up with it,that's when it becomes very apparent, like

(01:39:41):
the limitations of his magic. Butthat's like one of those interesting things about
narcissism though, like you don't reallysee at face value, Isn't it kind
of true though, that narcissists willrelentlessly reinforce that vision of themselves and then
continue to make the same air.Because Lockhart brings pixies to class once it

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goes very bad, and from thatpoint forward. It even states specifically in
the text, Lockhart does not attemptto bring creatures to class again. He
just reads from his books and givesdramatic re enactments of his own books.
So clearly reality can get through tohim at least a little bit, in

(01:40:27):
spite of his narcissism. I mean, like narcissism, like any sort of
mental I'm not going to say disorderof a mental situation is like any anything
that happens. It's all upon aspectrum. So like you get and I
hate to drag Tom Riddle into this, you get yourself a covert or malignant
narcissist. That's a completely that's thesame spectrum, but like a completely different

(01:40:48):
way that it surfaces. So it'slike it's along the same understanding, but
it will always surface in different waysbecause minds are created differently and brains are
complicated. So I think you're you'reright. There are a lot of narcissists
that will keep banging on the samewall, looking looking for some kind of
different answer. But you get someonelike um Lockhart who actually sees the error

(01:41:11):
of like some certain thing learns fromit and then learns to step back from
it. So it's just different,different strokes for different folks, right,
I don't know, Listen, Idon't know anything about narcissism. I don't,
yeah, psychology. He just seemsMegan's delusional, and it's almost it's
almost as if when he opens thePixie Cage, he thinks the Pixies should

(01:41:33):
know who he is and respect himno matter what happens. I think the
same thing happens at the Dueling Club. Yeah, when he shows up with
Snape that's getting ready to like whoophim, and he's like, but that's
whatever. He and he gets embarrassed. But he thinks that Snape should be
so intimidated by who he is thathe should be able to win the duel

(01:41:57):
no matter why, even if heknows he doesn't have the skill, He's
going off of his own reputation tohave a respect build up on him.
And he's so stupidly delusional that hethinks Pixies are going to come out of
the cage and go yo fast.Guilt Roy Lockhart, Um, I feel
like the narcissism that like Lockhart shows, I think you could even put that

(01:42:18):
on the level of it being alittle delusional, because that is kind of
like it almost does seem like he'sexpecting the Pixies to jump out and be
like, Wow, can I haveyour autograph like something like that? Okay,
okay, what do you what doyou think on that? Do you
do you see narcissism? Do yousee delusion in that? Like I I

(01:42:42):
ask you because I really want toknow what you think. I mean all
of the above. If so,if Grace and I had recorded all the
conversations we had about narcissism and Lockhartand Tom Riddle, who are writing the
second book, we'd have like aseventeen hour podcast that we talked about it
so much. At some point Iwas like, Grace, you have to
shut up about narcissism because it waslike and I said, of course,

(01:43:05):
we said it with all the lovein the world. But like all the
I think Lockhart is all the things. I think he's all of those things,
and that's why he's you know,I have always said that I think
Lockhart's a really interesting character. I'vealso defended Lockhart and said that I think
he's a lot smarter than people givehim credit for. You know, he's

(01:43:25):
a raven claw for a reason,you know. So I think I think
there's lots of interesting dichotomies about Lockhart. And I mean I asked the question
about the Pixies because that I wasn'treally truly sure about. I feel like
probably some part of him is afraidof the Pixies. But I love,
love, love, and now Ineed somebody to draw it the Pixies coming

(01:43:48):
out of the cage and be like, whoa, that's Gilday Lockhart and they
just fly back into the cage becauseI think that's amazing and I need it
and I'm here. You know itwould be hilarious is if we've found out
that Gilroy Lockhart was actually really intobands from the Muggle world and the band
he listens to the most on hisiPod is the Pixies. Cool. He

(01:44:11):
has an iPod too, It's notlike Spotify. It's very specific. It's
like an iPod nano like you verymuch jizz along to that? Dude?
Did you see that they're now makingan AirPods case you can play music,
which is like literally just a nanocircle cat full circle. Oh you said
it this time, not me?Okay, since we're on the topic of

(01:44:34):
sort of silly Lockhart things. Iwanted to pose this question to all of
you, and I hope the listenerswill pose their questions in the comments as
well. If you were going tothrow a pop quiz for your pick somebody
like your friends, or your family, or maybe even the listeners for some
of us who have been host fora long time or haven't, what is

(01:44:55):
one question that you would put onyour pop quiz about oursel elves? Yeah,
like a Lockhart style quiz that youwere going to give to people.
Oh and I'm not asking this asif I have an answer to this.
I didn't. I put the questiondown there and I didn't prep an answer.
Uh, so you know, everybody'son the spot, including myself.
Just be careful, everyone. Don'tuse one of like your like password questions.

(01:45:19):
Don't do that, right, don't. This is not a fishing scheme,
right, exactly, not a phishingscheme. I do not want to
break into your email, I promise. Else, what what is the one
food autom that you would describe yourselfas. That's a good one. That
is a good one because I becauseI like to tell people that I'm country
as corn bread. Oh that's fun. Cornbread is also a solid molasses or

(01:45:45):
no, no, no molasses?Got it? So this is a question
about ourselves? Yes, yeah,yeah, yeah yeah, Okay, my
question like this would require me towrite about myself in order for people to
take this quiz. But I wouldprobably say what song did Jeff sing at

(01:46:08):
their wedding? I want to know, guesses, because I don't know if
I've told you guys, you haven'tsee this would this is a This is
a quiz for your most devout ofyou know, people like Lockhart equates the
class. No, I just seemcurious what song you guys think I would
pick for that occasion. Bear inmind, this is like six or seven

(01:46:29):
years ago, The Mighty Mighty BossTones. I don't know. I just
heard that song today and your blowtime made me think of him. Sorry,
I don't know what that is,Okay, Grace. I wanted to
say something from May, but likethat would it might require you to sing
in Japanese or as the translation ofit, And like, I don't know
if that's like something that like youlike to do. So it's either that

(01:46:54):
or something it's something I would loveto do if I could It's something I
would love to do if I could. And you know what, if that
was your answer on the quiz,I would give you a bonus point for
that. You like, maybe extracredit for that because, um, the
entrance theme for the bridesmaids and thegrooms people were it was the theme from

(01:47:15):
a house moving was my first dancewith my husband. That fits so well
done for that? You you youyou passed the vibe check. Josh,
do you have a guess? Whatdo you think I sang at my wedding?
Josh, listen, all of myguesses for these kinds of things are
my heart will go on. Ohgo for the record. The song I

(01:47:42):
sang at my wedding was lay MeDown by Sam Smith. Oh it's a
good song. That's a solid one. I would not have guessed it,
though I can't say I would haveguessed it. So Josh has given us
a question. Jeff has given usa question. Grace, You and I
are are lacking here. What wouldyour question be? I was having too
much fun to answer their questions.Like mentally, God, I'm so lost.

(01:48:03):
I don't know. I don't know. Um, a favorite character would
be too easy. But like Ihave so many different favorites. Oh you
know what, what was the firstuh JRPG that I played? Because that's
that's an important one for me.I love Japanese role playing games. One.
Yeah, okay, that type ofvideo. I'm Final Fantasy seven.

(01:48:26):
Oh good, guess that was thesecond one that I've played. Okay,
Final Fantasy five, No, Iwish. I haven't even gone through that
one yet. Fantasy that was reallyfreaking good. But two Kingdom Hearts.
This is another solid choice that oneI got into in high school though.

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Um first one that I ever playedwas the Legend of Dragoon. It's an
older PlayStation one title. Solid solid, Yeah, that's going about ninety seven.
I would highly recommend it. Butthe voice acting and the translation are
atrocious. Just go in with thatexpectation, Just go in with that.
No, it's bad, it's stillgood. One of my favorite games to

(01:49:12):
this day is still the classic HarryPotter and the Sorcerer Stone for PlayStation one,
and that one is so notoriously badnow it has memes about it.
Yeah, it's not even People likeprint out like the blocky versions of those
characters and cosplay them for conventions.I've seen them do good. That's solid.

(01:49:33):
We laugh about how bad it isnow, but like think at the
time, that was the closest togoing to Hogwarts. I was going to
get I played the crap over andover, the only thing I can never
do, though I still to thisday I go back and I play that
game. Sometimes I still can't beatthat gosh darn chess level without looking up

(01:49:54):
how to do it, I can't. Ye, I'm not not good at
chess. Kat, what is yourquestion? I really thought I was going
to get off the hook you no, no, no, no, no,
it's you know, it's funny.You'd think that i'd have one like
ready made since I put this questionin the um. What would be on

(01:50:18):
a pop quiz about me? Ah? Oh, this is a good one.
Which member of in Sync was myfavorite? Lance solid choice of question?
Um, I forget all of theirnames as Backstreet boys. AJ was

(01:50:39):
a Backstreet boy. Okay, hangon, I gotta see if I can
do this. Justin Chris, Joeyand the other guy that wasn't justin Timberlake
that I always sang lead j C. The other guy, you mean,
the superior guy. But you hadit right the first time. It was
Lance so you get a point,oh y, because I always like the

(01:51:02):
gay ones. It's just the wayit works. I always like the ones.
Lance, I relate. But that'sa very important question because like that
in Sync was my first fandom.It was my first fandom. I still
have friends that I met like onlinein in Sync chat room. That's so
cute. So um yeah, sothat's that would be a really important question

(01:51:25):
on a pop quiz about kat Thatis a deep cut for sure, that's
amazing. My favorite was Joey becausehe never looked like he should be in
a boy band. He always lookedlike he Yeah, it was like the
boy bands. Ironically, Joey wasn'tthe oldest in the group. But fun
story bringing it back to Harry Potter. The time that I have met two

(01:51:48):
in Sync members, Joey and Chriswas at the Diagon Alley opening in twenty
fourteen in Orlando. They were boththere and I met the both. Yeah
weird, right, very weird coincidencethey both live in Orlando. But yeah,
so that's so amazing. Also areally good pop quiz. Also can't

(01:52:15):
that's right, sadly not Lance,but yes, anyway, as I as
I tried to segue us bringing itback to Harry Potter. Yeah, I
actually had a thought about Gilder Lockhartthat I'll go through really quickly. I
think that he would be a fabulousfiction writer. And I know, Jeff,
I know that you pointed out hestole the stories from other people,

(01:52:36):
but like they really are super dramatized, like they've got to be like super
flashy in his rendition of it,I can't see him just telling a story
like a news story. So like, I feel like he went into the
wrong profession. He really should havejust thought of like some lame self insert
character that he manages to make everyonefall in love with and just keeps coming

(01:52:58):
out with these sequels. I mean, like you mean, like Twilight,
there's always a change of Actually,this is the thing, though, I
actually really like mystery novels that dothis. Though, like I'm saying,
like he would make a self insertthat kind of sucks, But like the

(01:53:20):
mystery novel characters where they have likeone character that goes through a bunch of
different stories, I actually really likethose. I feel like I might like
him as a writer. Actually,yeah, I think if he's gonna write,
he should um, he should beintroduced to Dick Wolf, and he
should write Law and Order episodes becauseit's it's it's the fact that he's a

(01:53:42):
great writer. He's a great storyteller. He can elevate the drama, even
to the point of exaggerating probably afew details, but it's the fact that
it's based on true events. That'sthe key. He can't come up with
ideas for Squat, but he cantell he's a great storyteller. I'll at
least give him that he's a liarand a swindler and a shyster and at

(01:54:04):
all like him. But he hastalents that are very, very marketable and
could be used for something less jerkythan what he does. So what I
know, I think honestly he should. He should like he should establish a
dramatical society, and he should puton like he's the guy who can bring

(01:54:28):
us a successful production of The Fountainof Fair Fortune, Like he's the guy.
He should write plays based on thingsor like you remember in Uh I
Forget, which I think it's likethe third Thor movie where a Thor shows
up and there's like that weird playabout what allegedly it's going on, Like
that's what he should do, heshould, he should tell, he should
tell weird plays about stuff that reallyhappened. But still he gets all the

(01:54:50):
credit because he's in it and hewrote the story. He wouldn't if he
could just acknowledge that somebody else didthese things. But he's the one telling
the story. He can take allthe credit that he wants. Your Edgine
real, your Edgine real close tothe like Kenneth Brana Gildroy, like who
directed Thor mame, you're like oneaway from that. Yeah, and yeah,

(01:55:15):
it's it's funny. Yeah he yes, Kenneth Brana directed the first Thor
movie. Yeah, we did hedirect the others? Yeah, just the
first one, just the first one. Yeah, okay, that's very good.
Would be hilarious if he did directthe third one since it has that
weird play scene in it that wasTACA right. Yeah, yeah, solid,
very nice. Okay, So,speaking of Lockhart being a bullshitter,

(01:55:40):
um Ron is one of the onlyones. Well, okay, a lot
of them catch onto the fact thathe's like not not being real about anything,
but like Ron is so set onit. It makes me think that
he has had to deal with thesekind of people in his life before.
But for the life of me,I cannot figure out where that might have
been. So that this is agenuine quotion that I posed to all of
you. It's like it has hebeen around any specific bullshitters that I just

(01:56:04):
haven't it's it's it's it's not evenit's not even about like the bullcrap that
dispus it's how hespus it. Andand as far as being around that,
I think I think Percy is agood spot to land there of being pompous
about uh, you know, thingsthat he's done or things that he can

(01:56:25):
do, Percy gets worse, LikeI don't think that Percy is there yet,
So I mean that may not bea great example, But I honestly
don't think that it's about him aboutthe stories that he tells. It's about
how he tells, Like, yeah, he can prove everything he says he

(01:56:45):
can do he can do because thestuff he's doing might actually speak for itself.
He just doesn't allow air in theconversation for his actions to speak for
themselves. He does shove it inyour face. I think it's about her
Maiany. It's the fact that Hermiahe saw in the beginning of the chapter.
We didn't talk about this, buthe doesn't that Hermione outlines all his
lessons in Little Hearts. She's theonly one who passes the quiz. She

(01:57:10):
gets flustered when she gets, youknow, shout outs from Gildroy Lockhart.
This is like the beginning of Ron'shackles getting raised every time Hermione is impressed
by some dude that isn't him.It's a little bit more unconscious under the
surface. At this point, it'sgonna come much much more to the forefront
the older that he gets. Butthat's the reason that Ron is so quick

(01:57:31):
to zero in on Lockheart, becausehe just sees this guy who keeps talking
about how great he is, andit frustrates him that the one female friend
that Ron can boast is eating itup. And so he says, yeah,
sure, he says, he doesall these great things. He talked
about himself for like two hours.He won't leave Harry alone. And then

(01:57:55):
he unleashes pixies in the class andhe can't even handle pixies. He handled
the Waggo Wago werewolf allegedly, buthe can't handle pixies. I call shade,
even a twelve year old can seethat. I think I think it's
a bit of all of these,um with also a dash of Ron's jealousy,
um and wish wishes of being admired, and also his like lack of

(01:58:20):
superiority complex sort of all thrown together. So I and also Ron, for
all of his um humble upbringings,right, Ron is pretty uppity. He
is really judgmental, He's kind ofmean a lot. And so I think

(01:58:44):
that and Ron has not encountered peoplelike Lockhart like ever right Um. The
closest example would be somebody like Draco's, who he's really only known a year,
and Draco doesn't show boat in thesame way that Lockhart does. We
don't really know Justin Finch Fletchley yetwe haven't really met him, or Zacharias

(01:59:05):
Smith, who we also really haven'tmet. So I think it's it's I
think it's all of those things.It's Ron's you know, like um,
like I said, his a littlebit of his jealousy not only for Hermione,
but the fact that, like Lockhartis getting a lot of attention.
I think that it's a bit offoreshadowing for what happens between his relationship with

(01:59:25):
both Hermione and Harry in the future. It's it's Ron not having money,
it's Ron being judgmental. It's likea little bit of everything sort of thrown
into a little soup and stirred aroundand then he drinks it. It's a
whoops, all crunch berries, preteenangst and hormones and problems and it was

(01:59:49):
all trauma. Yeah. Oh,my last thought on Lockhart is just I
can't help it. I and wetalked about Lockhart and Umbridge, you know,
as a little bit of a comparisonbefore. I always wonder with some

(02:00:10):
of these teachers that come through,if Umbridge had been doing her inspections at
the time with these teachers, there'sno way Lockhart would pass her inspections because
she's not gonna be by his resume. I disagree whole high Josh take it.
Why I why if Umbridge walked intoLockhart's classroom during one of these,

(02:00:34):
she would have already given him directinstructions of hey, you're doing the curriculum,
you're doing the books. And Lockhartwould throve in a situation where all
you can to do is read alba book. He wouldn't that, he
wouldn't be something wa wa wa wawa wait I have something to add he
would, yeah, but he wouldwas charmer, he is. She's okay,

(02:01:06):
she is only susceptible to a certainkind of flattery, like she would
be susceptible beautiful, he's internationally famous, he's like literally everything. You know,
So what, there's nothing, okay, There is nothing to suggest that
Umbridge can be flattered or taken inwith somebody just because they're handsome. There

(02:01:30):
is no evidence to support that,what we'll say, But I think that
if Umbridge finds like actual use forhim, that might be when when she
actually like lets him pass the hergrade basically. But yes, Josh,
what were you saying? Well?I I agree Jeff that he may not
be able to be flattered by flattery, I guess, but she can flattered

(02:01:58):
by someone doing exactly what she wants, and he would do exactly what she
wants. But she's not gonna lethim just read from his own books,
which is the only thing that he'sonly interested in just reading from the books.
And he's not just reading from thebooks, he's acting them out,
and it's because they're his books thathe wrote. If you hand him that

(02:02:19):
dry ass ministry approved textbook that Umbridgeuses, and you tell him he's got
to read word for word from that, he's gonna quit. He's not gonna
get fired. He might not getfired, but he's gonna quit. It's
not gonna work. He's only interestedin doing it because it's his own alleged

(02:02:44):
stories that he's reading from. He'snot gonna win her over. She's not
gonna approve of what he's doing.And when she tries to impose her way
of teaching on him, he's gonnacave and he's gonna walk because he's not
gonna be interested in wishing any kindof curriculum that doesn't make him look good.
He does. I don't even thinkthat he cares about pushing his own

(02:03:05):
books. I think that he onlycares about the fact. Why did he
make every student at Hogwarts by afull set? He made fundings of kids
by every book he ever pubbled.The money? Yeah for the money,
Okay, the money, Okay,yeah, okay, Okay, we gotta
we gotta, we gotta, wegotta rein this in because I'm losing it.

(02:03:27):
Okay, we can, we canhave a Musclow debate here, but
I'm all over. Okay, Soonce he has given the position of the
Ada and has set out the curriculumof hey, you have to buy all
these books because that that was partof his contract with Dumbledore. Hey I'll
come be your dad a teacher.But every one of them? Is it

(02:03:49):
part of a contract? Did you? Did you see the contract? Did
you read it? Did get youra little notary stamp out for this?
For this contract? All right?Got? Like I will say, I
will say I had an extra randomthought. And maybe this is just because,

(02:04:11):
um uh my my husband played Lockhartwhen we were doing them the Chestnut
Hill Harry Potter Weekend back when thatused to be a thing, and I
played Rita Skeeter. But it occurredto me the idea and this is like
totally off topic. So I hopethat you'll just go on this journey with
me. Those two characters are Xesfor sure, right, Like they've definitely

(02:04:36):
Rita Skeeter and Lockhart. Oh yeah, I could see that one thousand percent.
I could see them have been havebeen like XS not in a long
relationship, but yeah, like theywould they would they would do that was
either a whirlwind marriage that ended.She she would be an interesting person to

(02:04:59):
bring up in the narcissism discussion becauseshe's like a different kind of narcissis.
Yeah. Yeah, I think Ritaprobably has way too many kinks for Lockhart.
It's just true. Lockhart's too vanillafor her. She needs some spicier
Okay, okay, well we canwe can tell that it is now like

(02:05:19):
getting to be a little bit lateat night. I think this is a
really good place to leave the episode. Just let it lie, Just let
it lie. This was when westart getting punchy. That's when the good
stuff comes out. Okay, man, The common section of this episode is
gonna They have so many things togo off of. You get a lot

(02:05:42):
of prompts here, Ah Man,Josh, Josh, Haven't you on an
episode? Has been something I've beenwanting for a long time, like us
being on a on a podcast togetherand it's everything that I dreamed it would
be and more so. Thank youso so much, thank you being and
being a part of this with ustoday. I love being here as you

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know, you're fine. You're sucha joke. Did you have any like
any social media like website that youwanted to plug? No? I am
thankful that I have no social media. I have nothing to plug other than
I know you're going to do ithere in a minute. But if you're
a patron, please get on thediscord. It could be and and hat

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and is a lot of fun.Um. I'm trying to do like a
question every week in the in thenovels uh subchannel there um. Where as
I'm going through my reread, somethingseeks out to me. I'm trying to
get a question in there, getsome interaction, uh in our discord.
So that's the only thing I wantto pull. Are you reading the books

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again? Yeah? So is mysister. Oh what do you want?
Come on? Goblet nice? Ohmy god. We should start a Harry
Potter book club, a concept fromI mean, I think that it's kind
of it's kind of been a yeahif I'm not if I'm not a part

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of the original. It's not tooever done yet because our next episode will
be a chapter revisit of half FloodPrince. Hell yeah, half Flood Prince.
Um, that's chapter twenty four.Sectum sempro o. That one's that
one's super spicy. And I didnot do those. I did not put

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those up against each other. Ididn't do that on purpose. There is
some stuff in that chapter that's likealmost and not a direct opposite of this
chapter. But this chapter, Ifeel like there was chaotic energy, but
it was whimsical, fun chaotic energy. That chapter is heavy, heavy energy,
different chaotic energy. Actually the oppositeof this chapter in Chamber is chapter

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fourteen Cornelia as much interesting. Golisten to episode two oh five A Full
Circle for more details. Nice andyou get to hear Grace and I some
more from past and that from thepast as well. Yeah, if you
want to come on here and beon the show and talk to us about

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stuff, head over to our websitealohomore podcast dot com and click on you
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a loohomore podcast at gmail dot com. And before we go, we want
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