Isaac Teel on Drake's Fake Abs, NYC Pizza & Why Single Men Need to Smell Better

Nick Gerlach flies solo while Andy's in Nashville, bringing you conversations about AI music, unanswered phone calls, and drummer/fragrance entrepreneur Isaac Teel's guide to smelling good and staying spiritual.

Topics Discussed:

• Nick's thoughts on AI band Velvet Sundown and why it's "inevitable but won't replace real artists"
• The great band name theory - why all band names after 1992 are terrible
• Isaac's Forever Sinclair fragrance line and why cologne's alcohol content is ruining your game
• Drake's fake abs, BBL rumors, and general weirdness as a "theater kid trying to be tough"
• NYC vs Denver life - why the pizza will never be the same but the fruit here slaps
• Balancing spirituality with Denver's party scene - "love people enough to leave them alone"
• TAUK's evolution, writing new music, and their August 16th Levitt Pavilion show

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Do you miss New York?I miss aspects of it.
I miss my family. I miss the pizza.I miss the bagels. I miss the pasta.
If you could bring one thingfrom New York to Denver,
what would you bring? Pizza. Duh.Do you think the pizza here is
as bad as they say it is? Yes.Or do I just not mind?
Bad pizza? It doesn't.It doesn't rise like New York.
And the dough is completelydifferent.
Do we need more Italians here?I don't even know because there's

(00:20):
dope Mexicans making fire pizzain New York. Yeah, that's true.
But also, they might havelearned it from the Italians.
Maybe you need Italians there atsome point.
At some point, but I don't know.I think you can do it without them.
Do you think that's the firsttime anyone's ever said.
Do you think we need moreItalians here? Maybe. Maybe.
We love our Italians.I grew up Catholic. Absolutely.
All my friends are black Italian.Hey, everybody. Nick here. No, Andy.

(00:47):
This week he's in Nashvillemaking yet another album.
He makes an album every sixweeks now.
He's inevitable,much like AI is inevitable.
And that's why I'm going to getinto this Velvet Sundown thing.
And nobody will shut up about lately.I'm going to look right now,
actually. Let's see how many.They're up to 1.2 million
monthly listeners.And if you're not familiar with

(01:07):
Velvet Sundown, also,you can pre-save their album.
I think it's funny.They're completely I created.
We can't play the music on here,can we?
Do you think we'd probably gethit with, like,
a drone strike or whatever?Daniel Elk's gonna, you know,
Daniel Elk, the owner of Spotify,invest like, billions of dollars
into, like, defense corporations.And people are mad at him for making

(01:28):
letting elevator music made byrobots come onto his his thing.
Look. I don't know, man.I don't know about I it's like I
don't think it's going to affectlike for Andy, like Andy Frasco,
for example.Let's use him since you all know
who he is.I don't think I will affect Andy
Frasco.Do you know what I mean by that?

(01:48):
Like, I think truly creativepeople with their own personality
are not going to get hit by, uh,by this bullshit.
I wish I could play it for you,but we can't.
But it's like, basically soundslike 70s music, right?
Sounds like khruangbin mixedwith like. Right.
I think it's like a little bit crunk.Been mixed with, like,
70s vibes with like the worst vocals.They even have like fake pictures of

(02:10):
the guys and they kind of look like,I like they look like the human
version, like, there's thesepeople anyway that are I anyway,
those humans, those people in LA,they'll just like grow their hair
out and now they're a songwriter.They're basically I anyway,
they're doing the same thing this,this program is doing where it's just
copying all the music ever made andwhittling it down into something
digestible so it can be played inthe background at Jersey Mike's,

(02:31):
you know what I mean?While you get a Philly cheesesteak.
And that's why, I don't know,it's like you can get as mad as
you want at this stuff insteadof the defense contractor thing.
Uh, but the thing is, it's notgoing anywhere. I is inevitable.
It's like, how were you?How old were you when the
internet first came out?Were you old enough to remember
people resisting it, talking to Jack,our producer, because he's the only

(02:54):
other person here? I'm lonely.Only I'm all by myself and I'm
lonely.My girlfriend's out of town and
playing video games and making clips.Um, yeah. Like it's like that.
It's like when the internetfirst came out, no one, like,
everybody thought it was goingto go away in two years,
or cable TV or fucking avocadotoast or the self-checkout or
Andy Cohen or fucking the McRib.You know what I mean?

(03:16):
It's like, you cannot like thisthing all you want, but people are
using it. It's not going away.It's just going to be more. So.
I think, uh,what we should do with the AI
thing is just shut up about it.I think that's the best way we
can fight.This is everybody just shut up
about it.And if you don't like it,
don't engage with it.I do have a theory that and this is

(03:36):
probably verifiable, that most ofthese monthly listeners are digital
themselves. Right. And it's like.That's such a weird concept.
It's like that data internet thingwhere it's like, so it's fake
accounts listening to fake music.So it's just like this circle of
things that don't exist or arecreated by AI.

(03:57):
But how is that going to make money?Because like what?
Where's the money from the botscoming?
Like at some point they're not goingto make money off that because a bot
doesn't generate probably enoughSpotify streams to pay for itself,
right? So what's going to.So it's kind of like I'm a used
to be a freelance copywriter.I still do it sometimes too.
And there's been a big, uh,thing with AI and copywriting too,

(04:18):
where I sort of got rid of thefreelance copywriter because all
these websites are using fakethings to write their paragraph
blog for them, but they'restarting to realize that that
stuff doesn't get any engagement.And the only people reading that
stuff is other bots.So they're going back to using
humans again.And I think that's what's going
to happen with this music.And even if it doesn't,
this music kind of sucks anyway.It's like the worst kind of music,

(04:39):
which is like not bad music.You would think that bad music's the
worst kind of music, but it's not.It's like it's kind of why
everybody used to make fun ofNickelback for a long time.
Like they could basically be AI,you know what I'm saying?
Or like some band like that.Imagine like, oh,
we talk about Imagine Dragons.Isaac's gonna be on later.
Uh, one of my best friends here in,uh, Denver.
Great drummer, great musician,and a good guy.

(05:01):
Um, we got into talking about ImagineDragons and how basic and boring they
are and stuff like that, and it'skind of the same thing. It's like.
So like some Mormon gets to make$10 million instead of an IT guy.
That's basically the difference herewith I like I just think that like,
humans are already kind of doingthis anyway.
And the truly creative,great musicians.
Ozzy Osbourne, for example,he just had his farewell concert.

(05:24):
There's not going to like,you can't recreate Ozzy Osbourne,
you can't recreate Limp Bizkit,you can't recreate, uh, any,
like, any jazz.Well, maybe some shitty jazz,
maybe some smooth jazz.The Weather Channel, jazz, even some
of that, though you can't recreate.Like, I can only make stuff off
what it already knows about.It can't create new things.
So I think it's like somethingnot to be too worried about.

(05:46):
And I also don't think these bandsare going to make any money because
of what I talked about earlierwith the bots. So I don't know.
That's my take on I. Ah, shit.Um. Oh, yeah.
My other thing I want to talk about.Oh, yeah, we got into that
because the band names thing thatvideo I had with the band names,
and, uh, I was thinking aboutPhish and how their band,

(06:10):
they were in town last weekend,and I was thinking about how they
were in town and how they're sort oflike, we were texting about this,
about the how they're the JeffGoldblum of music.
So like, I was thinking about this,like how they were in town and how
they still have all these fans,even though they're kind of niche.
They've never really been on TV.They they have their, you know,
a very niche audience,but they're creative and like,

(06:32):
that's another band you couldn'trecreate with Phish.
That could never happen.You can't make a guy in a dress on I.
But like, there I was thinking aboutlike, what is the actor equivalent?
I already told you,but the actor equivalent of Phish.
And I was thinking,it's got to be a dude, right?
Because they're dude,it's a guy music.
It can't be a woman. The woman.The women know it's games are for or

(06:55):
for dudes, and this guy might be alittle too good looking to be fish as
an actor, but he is very talented.And I think it's Jeff Goldblum,
right?I think Jeff Goldblum is the I guess
who was first probably fish, right?They started in the early 80s,
I don't know,maybe around the same time.
So they are the like the equivalentof each other as an actor.
He's like, you know,he's got his own unique fan base.

(07:17):
He's had a really high peak,you know, like Jurassic.
He's in one of the biggestmovies ever, Jurassic Park.
He's got some famous lines.Everybody's kind of heard of
Jeff Goldblum, but like,he's not Brad Pitt or anything,
you know what I mean?Like, who's Brad Pitt?
Who Brad Pitt be?He'd be like the Eagles,
you know what I mean?Good looking, good at what he does.
Easy to pilot. Incredibly famous.Will probably still be watching his

(07:40):
movies in 200 years. Uh, Radiohead.Who do you think Radiohead is?
Adam Driver?That's a good one, right?
Kind of mysterious.Not sort of like dark,
but also can play anything.Some of this stuff sucks.
Some of it's really good.Which I kind of think about
Radiohead to, you know,like Radiohead's either, like they're
kind of like Pink Floyd for me,where it's like, hey, this is either

(08:01):
the best thing I've ever heardin my life or this is garbage,
which is actually a good thing.Tool. I have a girl for this one.
Toni Collette. Right.What do you think?
Uh, what about, uh, Limp Bizkit?I couldn't think of one for them.
You need someone who's, like, trashy.This would be a good voicemail call.

(08:23):
You guys call me in, and you tell me.Give me a call on the voicemail line.
It's in the description.Tell me who you think the actor
equivalent of Limp Bizkit is, or justreally any other any other band?
I haven't talked to Andy in likea while, so I was going to give
his manager a call,see what he's up to, because I
know he talks to him every day.Do you think he'll answer for you?

(08:46):
Probably not.I think either, probably not.
Or definitely because he might.I never call him.
So nothing's ever wrong.I gotta find him here. Hold on.
Matt. I doubt he answers.

(09:14):
I should just call a bunch of peopleand see if anyone answers your call.
Nope. All right, let me see.Who should I call next?
Oh, I know who I want to call.It'd be good to get, like,
a supercut of me just having no one.No one answering.
We can, like, cut this down a littlebit, too. I'm gonna call Barbara.

(09:45):
It's a supercut of me callingpeople and then not answering.
Who shot. Barber? It's Nick.You're on the podcast.
Oh my God, Gerlach.It's just me, though.
No, Andy,I was just talking to myself.
I'm just in this room talking tomyself right now, and I was.

(10:08):
I was talking about that.Have you heard of this new age band,
Velvet Sundown?How could you not hear about it?
They spent $1 billion advertising it.Well, I don't know.
You just had a baby.I don't know how online you are
lately. Literally, it was everywhere.They're like, oh my, everyone.
And it's all like.Like Rick Beato from YouTube and
stuff, like, all like justrandomly deciding to talk about

(10:30):
this band all at the same time.Ooh, conspiracy theory.
Barber, what do you think about it?And they're all getting paid to
hate on it, but talk about howinevitable it is. Mhm.
It's exactly what I was just doing.Fuck I need to get paid for this.
You should get paid for that.Well, it is inevitable, though,
don't you think?No, I don't actually think it's

(10:53):
inevitable.I think that, uh, that music serves,
like, a very social purpose.Like Won't Get Fooled Again.
It was, like,the biggest song of the 90s.
I can't get no satisfaction to sexbecause there's all these bands
that serve as pivotal roles in thehistory of the music business,
and they want to remove all that.So because they don't want to pay

(11:16):
those people, that's all it is.And do you think computers are
going to come up with that now?No, that's actually I kind of said
that to me. And Jack were talking.We were saying. Formed in 1961.
I was made in 1961.We still be listening to Elvis today.
Different forms of Elvis.Right, right, right. But, like.
Don't you think it'll just replace,like, background music and ads
and shit like that?It'll be like just the new

(11:37):
placeholder music.But, I mean, you can do that.
You can make that kind of music withwith using human ingredients. Right.
But it's cheaper to do it with AI.AI that will help you organize that.
It'll help you project manage thatand help you put your beats together.
But the samples and the playingand stuff is all human.

(11:58):
So maybe DJs will be replaced by AI,except for the really good ones.
Yeah, I don't know.I don't know, the DJ world is weird.
It's like, do they want likereally hot girls doing the stuff
or do they want. Yeah.Doing it or you know, do they,
do they want to like reallyexpressive people? It's weird.
It is kind of it's weird.It reminds me of like,

(12:19):
the early internet, you know.It's just it's just like there's
a certain punk, um, aspect of,I mean, I guess the I could, like,
go around Reddit and look forpeople complaining and make music
about that, you know, along thelines of people complaining. Yeah.
Like they can figure out how to make,like revolutionary music with I

(12:42):
probably I don't know why theywouldn't be able to do that,
but I don't think.I don't think the point of AI is
to get us, you know, better music.I don't think it is either. No.
It's just it's like the people who,you know, everybody's on Spotify and
they're just like, happy on Spotify.And Spotify is going to take all

(13:04):
that money that they get from peopleand say, how do we spend less?
And they've already like,cut everybody's streaming fees down
to really small small amounts. Right.And they're getting so much pushback
every time they lower streamingfees that they just probably think
that lowering streaming feesfurther isn't an option for them.
Right. And, you know.Speaking of DJs,

(13:25):
do you think that I can replace MarkBrownstein as a DJ? I don't think.
I could get his voice right on themicrophone when he hits the crowd.
Hey, everybody, I'm ChatGPT 4.5.All right. I love this song.
Let's see your hands in the air.Where are you right now?

(13:47):
Are you on the road?Uh, we're playing in the round
tonight in Cape Cod.And the round so people can see your
butt. Yeah. On a spinning stage.I don't think I like that.
I feel very exposed with peoplebehind me to. I don't like that.
It's a little weird.It definitely like.
It definitely hits your, like,balance.

(14:09):
You get used to it, but, like,you can't move around too much on
stage because you could, like, flyoff the edge of the stage by mistake.
That'd be hilarious, actually.The whole thing is moving.
Everything's moving.So you, like, walk towards something,
and then by the time you get there,it's moved. So you have to like.
Oh, weird.You you have to hope that your
body adjusts,makes a little micro adjustments.

(14:31):
But I was just out there,and sometimes it doesn't.
Sometimes you're like, in it,you do what you normally do and then
you end up walking off the stage.Oh my God. We'll see what happens.
That's crazy.But you can sell more tickets.
You guys aren't going to followwhat everybody else,
every other bands doing.And fire your drummer. Are you?
Or get get a new drummer. Right.You guys are good with Alan for
a while.It seems like a pretty hip thing

(14:54):
to do.I mean,
definitely everybody's doing it.Varying style to get a new
drummer right now.It's like bell bottoms. Yeah.
I mean, bell bottoms will come back,you know? Yeah, they have to.
I will probably see them in a,you know, rolling Stone ad about
latest fashions for 1978,coming back in 1998.
And then they'll make it comeback again. Yeah. Yeah.

(15:15):
I'm old drummers make a comebackthough.
Like I don't see any of these bandsgetting their original drummers
and putting them back in the band.No, they're not doing that,
are they? Who else just quit?The guy just quit Pearl jam.
Matt Cameron just quit Pearl jam.Umphrey's got a new drummer,
somebody else.Goose has a new one every six months.
Did, um, did the Metallica bassplayer quit and then they put
him back in? Probably.Who knows who can keep up with

(15:39):
those crazy guys?What town are you in? You said.
Cape Cod. Oh, I like Cape Cod.It's like rich white trash.
You know what I mean? It's actually.It's a good way to describe it.
Yeah. It's like.Yeah,
it's like they kind of party still.They have, like, a a bad sunburn,
like all the time. You and I.White trash though. I'm white trash.

(16:02):
I don't think you are.I don't think you're white trash.
I think you're something else.I'm definitely white trash.
You're probably more like I don'tknow. I don't know what you are.
Maybe an orb of light or spirit.I'm an orb of light, I like that,
yeah. You're not, I don't think.I don't think you're real.
I don't I'm not still not fullyconvinced you exist either.

(16:23):
Mine? Hell, yeah.Dude, even when you had a second kid.
What about when you had kids that youweren't like? Man, maybe I do exist.
No, no, no, it doesn't, because thekids are just part of your your,
like, like, mental arrangement,you know? Yeah.
So maybe you're like,they don't exist either.
One thing about having kids, you,after a couple of years when they've

(16:44):
been around for a couple of years andthey don't leave, they never leave,
right? They're always there.Yeah yeah. Yeah. Yeah yeah.
Like a like when you get Lymedisease.
I'll see you in a month, right.They're always there and always like,
hang out with me. Hang out with me.After a while. You do.
You can't imagine what life waslike without them. Interesting.
Even though it's only been a fewyears. Yeah, yeah.
Like if I think about when I was 20,I'm like, where was River when I

(17:05):
was 20? Oh, yeah. Yeah, dude.Yeah. It's weird.
I'm like that with tequila. Yeah.Anyway, you got a message for
these listeners before you go.Any motivation? Any.
If we're going to talk about tequila,I think, you know, 1 or 2 shots
of tequila is a good thing.That's good, I like that.

(17:26):
My message for your listeners.Couple shots.
If you go to six, you know,you might need a ride home.
Yeah, you might need a ride home.I gotta grab an Uber. All right.
All right, Barbara,I'll let you get back to your show.
Thanks for helping me killeight minutes later. Bye.
I love hanging with you guys.Let's do it again. Yeah.
Hit me up when you're in town inSeptember from Mishawaka.

(17:46):
All right. Peace. Yeah. Later.There you go, Barber.
He always has a.I like him because, uh,
he always has, like,an opinion where we kind of agree,
but then he'll, like, go to the left,like he's not afraid to disagree
with you, which I like. Okay.Matt told me to call him back.
I like, tell him they're on thepodcast right away.
They don't expect that from me.What's up?

(18:08):
Matt, you're on the podcast.It's Nick. Oh, God. What's up?
Andy's not here, though.It's just me and you. Buddy.
Let's talk.Yeah, I want to talk to you
without Andy around, and, uh,you know, somewhere private,
like a recorded podcast.I haven't talked to him this week.
How are things going in the Frascocamp? Everything's good. Yeah, I.
Got some shows, lots of music beingmade. Lots of lots of things.

(18:34):
It's good. Yeah.Do you think he's doing a good job?
Do you think he's behavinghimself in Nashville right now?
Uh, he's writing songs, I don't know.You think he's being a good boy?
Uh, I haven't asked that question,and I don't want to know.
Oh, yeah, it's kind of a don't ask,don't tell thing with Andy, huh?
Correct.Unless I get a call from the police.

(18:54):
It's, uh. Everything's okay.Are you going to come to our show?
Yes. He's coming. Everybody.Levitt. August 2nd. Andy. Frasco.
I heard the opener is killing.Killing the best thing you've
ever heard. The Colts.They're really good. They're.
No, they're not as not probablynot as good as Andy.
But we're pretty good.It's really good.
Is there anything I should be doingdifferent for this podcast that I

(19:16):
can improve without Andy aroundto filter it? No, I think, uh.
I'm a great co-host.Calling people and putting them
on the spot.It makes everyone feel super
welcome and inviting.It's great. Yeah, it's kind of.
It's kind of fun to know you'rebeing recorded, huh?
Uh, this will live in podcastland forever, so. I'm so stoked.

(19:36):
It's actually it's been recordedtwice because the FBI has my
phone tapped too.So this is going out everywhere.
All right, so do you have any, uh.I'm gonna I'm gonna make you do
the thing Andy does.Do you have any motivation for
everybody this week?Um, just work hard and keep a
positive attitude. Oh my. God.That's why you're a manager and not
an artist. I could have done that.Come on, try again. I'm not.

(19:58):
I'm not as creative as you guys are.That's true.
I've been sending emails all day,so my brain is fried. Yeah.
That's good, that's good.All right, well, I'll let you go.
I just wanted to see if if ifAndy's in trouble or anything.
I haven't talked to him this week.He's not in trouble. No hot.
Goss. He's making.He's making music, which is a good
thing. Yeah, he's good at it.Yes. Unfortunately.

(20:18):
All right, well, I'll let you go.Bye bye. All right.
Work hard and be good to people andbe. I don't know, man. That's stupid.
What's some better motivationthis week? Um. Don't follow.
I shit online unless you reallywant to care.
If you like it, who gives a shit?Fucking listen to it.
Everybody just shut up about it.I do like his theory about them

(20:41):
paying to advertise it,because it's like no press or bad
press can be good press, you know?But then at the same time, I wonder,
I just don't see how this is going tomake money long term, I don't know.
Like I said, this is whathappens when you have it.
Guys running the music industry.Anyway, we got Isaac up next for you.
Me and my friend Isaac.It's very funny.
We have a lot of good, good time.We talk about Drake and religion and

(21:03):
how single men need to smell better.Anything else we touched on?
I can entice them with.Oh, that's pretty good stuff.
Stick around. Bye, Andy.I'll be back next week. I love you.
World saving podcast listeners.I'm sorry. Yo, yo, Andy's not here.
He's even. Where is he right now?Probably Nashville.

(21:25):
He's saving the world.He's doing something cool on
Instagram with his cool friends,making songs that hopefully
someone will buy. Anyway.So I have a special sitting
guest here today drummer,musician, drummer and musician.
Because not all drummers aremusicians. This is very true.
And not all musicians are drummers,but they all think they are.
They all want to be.Singer fragrance guy. Hey what's up?

(21:49):
And our resident black correspondent,Isaac.
Tell everybody give it up for Isaac.Wait, which one's the. Nope.
Wrong. I'll take that.I don't need the applause.
Give me the horn.I don't know the buttons.
What's up man? How you doing?You getting ready to do a gig?
So we had to squeeze you in here.I appreciate the squeeze, man.
I'm feeling great. Feeling good?Yeah. You just.
You just got back from New York.I did.
I was writing some music with theTalk Boys and Kanika Moore and Lyle

(22:12):
Divinsky. That's a fun group, man.Yeah, it's a good time.
Lyle's always smiling.I wonder what he's hiding under
there.I don't think he's hiding anything.
I think he's a genuinely happy dude.Well, I wonder what that's like.
It's a little scary sometimes, but,I mean, I enjoy the positivity.
What do you think about the, uh,this whole Mike Brown hiring?
Are you into. It?I am into it because I feel.

(22:33):
Like I know you can't.You probably can't talk about it too
much here. We got to be careful.No no, no. But we he brings winning.
And so, you know, I'm I'm here forwinning. We need a winning culture.
We also need a coach who'soffensively minded because our
last he's.Basically the opposite of Tom
Thibodeau.Pretty much we're getting right
into sports. Yeah let's go.Do you miss. New York.
I miss aspects of it I miss myfamily. I miss the pizza.

(22:55):
I miss the bagels. I miss the pasta.What how long have you been in
Denver now? Six years. Yeah.You moved here before Covid, right?
Yeah, but I was in New York whenCovid hit and they shut everything
down. Oh, wow. It was intense.Ghost town, New York. Oh my God.
Scary. Really. Some I am legend type.If you could bring one thing
from New York to Denver,what would you bring? Pizza. Duh.

(23:16):
Do you think the pizza here isas bad as they say it is? Yes.
Or do I just not mind bad pizza?It doesn't.
It doesn't rise like New York andthe dough is completely different.
Do we need more Italians here?I don't even know because there's
dope Mexicans making fire pizzain New York. Yeah, that's true.
But also, they might havelearned it from the Italians.
Maybe you need Italians there atsome point.

(23:36):
At some point, but I don't know.I think you can do it without them.
Do you think that's the firsttime anyone's ever said.
Do you think we need more Italianshere? Maybe. Just kidding.
We love our Italians.I grew up Catholic. Absolutely.
All my friends.Are black Italian. I mean, yeah.

(23:57):
Did you bring your fragranceswith you? I want to talk about.
I sure did. Uh, what do you got?I tell Isaac is like, I got him
on here. I want him to promote.He's trying to make dollars out
of scents. Yeah.So I have a new fragrance line
called Forever Sinclair.That's the brand name.
Um, and it's literally just aperfect marriage of essential
oils and Egyptian oils.So I have a guy in New York who

(24:21):
gets Egyptian oils, literally juststraight from Egypt. What would.
Hope so? Imported into New York.What if they're not from Egypt?
I guess that people lie all the time.I mean, people lie all the time.
I mean, like, I'm from Zimbabweand it could be anything,
but I mean. MAGA. Hats.I've been making fragrances for
myself for at least the past 20years. Isaac does.
You can't tell right now, but youcan. He smells good all the time.

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I try to, you know, there's there'sjust people out here that don't even
recognize that they don't smell good.I feel like I smell pretty good.
Yeah, I used I'm not a big Cologne,dude. I do buy expensive soaps.
But the thing is about Cologne isthere's like. Or whatever it is.
Four different alcohols forevery Cologne.
So anytime you walk in a AmericanEagle or Sephora, it's the same
smell. It's all the same stuff.And that's why I never thought

(25:04):
about that. No alcohol, no alcohol.It's a perfect marriage. Exactly.
So you can drink it and drive Iforever. Sinclair's the name.
I have 13 signature scents,which is pretty crazy.
Well, how long does it take to.How did you get into this?
First of all?Well, I was living in Bed-Stuy,
Brooklyn, and I stumbled uponthis little shop, this little

(25:28):
mom and pop shop, and this guyhad a bunch of oils in his back,
but I wasn't going there for oils.I was going there for incense.
And he was like,you should smell this.
And I was like, oh, cool,it smells great.
And then I got two scents fromhim that I loved and wore for
like 15 years.And then I was like, all right,
finally you got to give me a crashcourse on all of these scents.
And I spent like an hour and changewith him, and he closed the store

(25:50):
for me, which is kind of crazy.He was just like, wow, my friend.
He's a he's a good dude.But I gave him my album and he
was just so ecstatic.He was like, man,
I love your music. It's so good.And then he closed the store and
gave me rundowns of like almostevery oil there.
And I was like, okay, well, so.He's like, is he like old?

(26:11):
He's older. He's like in his 70s.He's like a sensei of sense.
Sense. Oh, a sensei.You know, that's not the first
time I heard that. Oh, damn it.I thought I was clever.
I'm usually pretty clever.But I might have to roll with it.
It's.Damn it, it's good, it's good, but.
Yeah, I mean, I honestly love tyingin. I'm huge on on on like sense.
Are they. Unisex?I have a they are unisex. Um.

(26:33):
And you can wear I mean, I've,I have things that I've put on
that smell different on everyone.So, you know, I could roll the
same roll on you and on myself,and it'll smell different.
That's not a thing with Cologne.No, it's because of the alcohol.
The alcohol reacts to alcohol.Yeah, it's. It's weird.
So everybody's pheromones.Some people, it makes them smell bad.
Some people it makes them leavetheir family. Some.

(26:57):
Some things that makes people cheat.Yeah. It makes you drink. Yeah.
Sometimes you end up in prison.Sometimes you smell good,
though. Exactly, exactly.So, I mean, I love it,
I really enjoy it.And it's great because the best
part about it is like, not evennecessarily the signature scents.
It's the when I get the emails ortext messages or DMs that say,
hey, can you replicate this?Or I want to smell like the wood

(27:19):
from Toy Story. Yeah.The baseboards in Toy Story. Exactly.
So that's that's the most funpart for me because I get to now
have homework for my nose.Homework for your nose? Yeah.
That's, uh,there's people in Denver that be
doing homework for their nose.Yeah. I mean, it's extracurricular.
It means a little something.Yeah. They're not doing homework.
They're doing extracurricular.After school activities.

(27:41):
If you sometimes during schoolactivities, never once. Hello.
Bathrooms at lock. Sometimes.Oh, man. So what's your like?
What do you think?Uh, we have a lot of single male
listeners out there.Give them a pitch on why they
should use this to smell better.Well, we're trying to get people laid
on this podcast. I would say, for.Right, Jack. For both ladies and men.

(28:02):
I think that taking care ofyourself outside of fragrances.
They already know how to get.You know what I mean?
They're better with it.They don't, though,
because girls don't really?You're saying you're single?
I guess you know better than I.Um. I like this, girls.
What do you mean? Girls don't have.Girls don't have game. They.
They wait for guys to either.We're generalizing here.
Don't get mad.Yeah, we're generalizing here.

(28:23):
I would say the majority ofgirls don't have game.
If they really are interested in you,they will put themselves in a
position to be seen.And that's the game. That's the game.
So either you pay attention tothe signs.
Men are really bad at that, I think.Yeah, because we're not locked in.
But like then three years lateryou'll be sitting there like
reading or watching a TV showand you're like.
Damn it, remember that girl thatgave me the eyes at the airport?

(28:45):
Yeah. You're like. Oh. Shit. That's.She didn't want to watch a movie.
I gotta go to Craigslist forcasual encounters.
I should have told her I alreadyseen Creed two. Damn it. Oh my gosh.
But honestly, yeah, I don't know.So girls don't have game.
But you could argue that guysdon't have game anymore either.
Oh yeah, for.Our grandfathers they had game.
They would stalk a woman and stalkher and go to her workplace and

(29:07):
make himself the only man availableto her until they said yes.
And they also didn't have socialmedia to distract her. Exactly.
Yeah. That's true. So there's that.That's the the paradox of too many
options. Yeah. Overall hygiene.Take care of yourself, people.
People notice that shit.Please bathe. Please moisturize.
Especially here in Colorado.Please, please. Yeah. White people.

(29:29):
You can get ashy, too. All right.Listen, you totally can.
You totally can. You can crack.And, you know,
they say this term black don't crack,but there's a contingency.
You got to take care of it.Yeah. It could. It could easily.
Be Morgan Freeman. No, listen.He's looked 70 since he was 30.
I love. Morgan. But he. Has.He has he has been. He's been 70.

(29:49):
Since he's been 76.87 since lean on me. The first.
Bush. Yeah. The first Bush movie.Or. Presidency? He's been.
That's funny. All right. So? So.Yeah. So pitch man. Why?
They should smell good. So, guys.We don't have any female listeners.
I'm just kidding. That's a shame.No, we do, actually. We do.
Fellas, take care of yourself.Like, Andy, you know, it shows when

(30:09):
you take care of yourself. Honestly.And that's the most attractive thing.
It's not necessarily having agame and going and having a line
that you talk to a girl,they could see it on you.
So if you take care of yourself,you have the love for yourself.
They're going to want to love thelove that you have for yourself.
I gave you that one for free.I like that this is from a man
that has a lot of game.I used to play basketball in

(30:30):
high school, and I'm 40 now,and I. You're 40. I am.
When's your birthday? April 23rd.Oh, shit. 85. 40s are great.
I don't know about them yet,I mean. Oh, you'll be fine.
Fresh couple months in.You ain't got no kids. Nah, nah.
Nothing tying you. Down.I got sneakers and I got drums.
Those are my kids.Those are my kids. I feel like.

(30:53):
A sneaker thing's, like,kind of died off a little bit.
You know what I'm talking about.It's weird because there's such
hype culture when it comes.Hype culture in general actually is
dying off. Like the thought of God.Honestly, you're.
Not seeing, like,supreme hoodies like you used.
Do you think it's because people arepoor or because that's corny or both?
No, I don't know if they're poor.I feel like they're just wising up.

(31:14):
There are the younger generationthat are still on the hype,
but I feel like they will neverknow what it feels like to stand
on line at a footlocker for arelease that may not come back out.
So you're saying the internetruined everything? Oh, yeah.
But it's also great because nowI can get my favorite shoes from
when I was a kid. That's true.On Instagram,
through someone's story.It's like a double edged sword.

(31:34):
Shout out to eBay all kicks because Iliterally get all my shoes from him.
Yeah, no free ads. I'm just. Kidding.Hype culture is dying. I hope so.
Let's get back into, you know,actually going. No more Drake shit.
You know what I mean?Do you see, he bought abs.
I did see that. And I was. Like. Sir.But he really see that he, like,
paid to get, like, ab implants.Oh, yeah. Yeah.

(31:57):
What kind of a fucking psychoshit is that when you already
have $400 million?He's just doing the most.
I think he's just still trying to getRihanna, man. He's always at a ten.
Do you think it's just becauseRihanna will never.
Or is it Nicki Minaj?Which one is he in love with?
I mean, if you're if you're. Rihanna.Right? You could be Rihanna.
You could literally have anybodyyou want.
The thing is, he's so I feel likehe's just weird. He's just a weirdo.

(32:17):
There's something off about him, man.Yeah, like music is cool,
but then you get to, like, talkingwith him and he's just not there.
You can, like, see through his ears.In high school,
he would have been like that theaterkid that was trying to look like.
He was, like, tough, you know what Imean? Oh, yeah. I mean, he's mixed.
And, you know, I'm sure.Like, and Canadian,
they're just automatically.There is a thing with that, I guess.
Yeah, he's biracial Canadian.But don't harp down on the

(32:40):
theater kids because that was me.I know, but they are, like,
weird. He was a band kid.I can say whatever I want.
You know, I mean, like, they'renot tough. No, they're not tough.
They're not, like.Unless you play on the basketball
team and on the bowling team.Yeah. You're not.
I'm not like a theater kid.Like the people that make that, like,
their whole identity. Oh, yeah.For sure. They have the billions of.
People forget he started as an actor,but that future album he did

(33:01):
with was pretty sick.Yeah, I never even watched Degrassi,
funny enough.No, it's Canadian bullshit.
Who gives a. Fuck?How did that make it to the States,
though? It was on Nickelodeon.Yeah, but Nickelodeon's a very
Canadian company,if you look into it. Oh, really?
Yeah,they're sort of infiltrating us.
It's like a miss 13 programmingto make Canada seem cool.
I did not know that. Yeah.Nickelodeon. It's a tool.
I mean,I love the old school Nickelodeon.

(33:22):
I don't know about this new.Even back then.
Like, what was that show withthe slime? Uh oh. Um. Guts? No.
Like, uh, um, Alanis Morissettewas on it. Yes, that was Canadian.
Marc Summers is Canadian.Like a lot of those shows started
in Canadian. Oh, wow. Yeah.So I think it's a tool of the
Canadian deep state. Interesting.I love Canada though. I love.

(33:43):
Canada rules. Actually.Toronto is a great city.
Toronto is great.But it's like kind of an
international city,like London or New York.
Have you ever been to like Vancouver?Yeah, I haven't been there,
but I've been to New Brunswick.No, that's like French Canada a
little bit still. Okay.Very weird there.
I will say like, we have better likelike we bang a little harder, you

(34:03):
know what I mean? Like, it's sort of.I always say Canada is kind of
like when you get the cereal,like the American culture version
of this, it's like, you know,at the bottom there's like the
cereal that's in the bag,but it's like the fake Lucky.
Charms that's at the bottom of theThat's Drake. That's like Drake.
Is with the no frills. Yeah.He's just like the fake. Like.

(34:24):
Sort of like he's Hydrox.I could see that.
I mean, the thing is,I love early Drake.
Do you think he got a BBL to God?That's gotta be the question.
That's the song, right? BBL, Drizzy.It is. I mean, fake abs.
Or maybe he's just into fake asses.Yeah.
Do you guys think Drake's cooked?And if so, what.

(34:44):
No I don't think he's cooked.I don't think he's cooked.
I think that.I think he's too famous.
I think he benefited from all this.Kendrick 100%.
There's no like, you know,there's no such thing.
And people think like, oh,Drake's career is over because
he got a diss track.He's too famous for his career.
He didn't have to make any musicand stay relevant.
No, he's crossed the Mendoza line offame where he'll always be relevant,
for sure.And he's like, good looking.

(35:06):
And he's you know what I mean?He's Canadian. Money.
He can go anywhere.And people recognize.
Yeah, he's Canadian.There's what, three cool people
there like The Weeknd.Steve Nash, one of them.
Yeah, but is he cool or is hejust good at basketball?
I think he's just good at basketball.Yeah, I don't think he's cool.
Like, would you want to get a beerwith Steve Nash? I don't think so.
Maybe. Actually, yes.Because he's got good basketball fan.
Yes.Yeah, yeah, you're right,
but I don't want to talk to himabout movies. No, I will not talk.

(35:28):
Oh, actually,doesn't he make movies? That's news.
I think he made some documentaries.Whatever. That's news. I don't. Know.
How is this dude going to beokay after, like.
Because he's a sociopath? Yeah.Drake's going to be okay
psychologically because Drake isa sociopath.
That's how he got that famous.Why would you get fake abs?
You're six four. He's probably.He has to have hair implants at this

(35:50):
point, right? I mean, everything you.Don't get fake abs isn't the
first thing you get.You know what I'm saying? No.
You go to Turkey and you get thehair plugs.
Yeah, or he's probably rich enough.He just came to him, but, like.
Like, that's not the firstalteration to your body.
You don't start with fake abs.If you're a guy.
I would see how first fake abs.What else?

(36:11):
What else is going above abs?You take your shirt off. BBL.
PBL na. Lip injection. Na na.That's all. That's abs first.
If I were to get any work done.Yes. Do you think.
Women like abs,or do you think other men like. Abs?
No, I think I think both. Yeah, yeah.But I think women love abs.
Sometimes I feel like the bodysculptor guys on Instagram.

(36:34):
It's like mostly other dudes thatare. But honestly, that's fine.
Having abs like that right now, it'snot even technically in the dad bod,
is it? Yeah, abs are corny, right?As I say, as an overweight.
Guy, yeah, I would say no.That's an overweight.
I'm trying to get my.Abs are corny, abs are out.
What's in right now is being,like, pretty overweight and not
taking care of your body.Yeah, I. Think and pickleball.

(36:56):
And pickleball, pickleball, drinking,being overweight, it's all bad.
I mean, look at Leonardo DiCaprio.Oh, my gosh, that's such a shame.
He's got a new girl born after nine,11 every three weeks or whatever.
Sad but true. Sad but true.So what's up with talk?
Oh, man, we're doing good.We're writing so much music,
and I think that.I feel like you guys have been taking

(37:18):
a little time off of playing live.Yeah, I think the industry in itself,
you know, I mean,Jack was just talking about this.
It's in a weird place,like no one's trying to kill
themselves on tour anymore.I know. Like, we would love.
Andy. Frasco. Yeah. I mean.Andy Frasco last tour for his
upcoming tour dates.We are playing together
August 2nd at Levitt Pavilion.Anyway, shout out to Andy for,
you know. It helps that.He's killing himself on tour because

(37:40):
he's making the world a better place.One jump from the stage at a time.
One at a time. Exactly. Every day.You guys don't know this,
but he makes me do it before werecord the podcast. Wow.
That's dedication. I'm his boytoy.His beautiful goyim. That's so funny.
But, yeah, we're doing good.We're just writing a bunch of
music and not trying to killourselves on tour. That's cool.

(38:01):
Yeah. I mean, he's got kids.Yeah. I feel like.
Honestly, everybody's probablygonna have kids before me,
and I'm the oldest.I feel like Matt is coming for Matt.
Oh, it's coming for Matt.I know his wife.
It's coming for his wife.I'm loving her TikToks.
She's hilarious.She's like, she should be an actress.
Uh, well, I mean, these days,all you gotta do is be on TikTok.
They did a great video the otherday where, like, he was just saying
a random person's name, and thenshe would do an impression of him.

(38:23):
But it was just like an impressionof a guy named Phil. Not.
Oh, yeah, not a famous. Yeah, she's.She's snapped into it so fast.
I know she's good. She's good.She's a star.
There's a there's a game that Ilike to play with my girl.
And it's called you. Have a.Girl. Name that person I sure do.
Breaking news. Hard launch.Isaac Thiel is taken. Oh.
Sorry, ladies.She is the greatest person.

(38:44):
I ain't even gonna put her onblast like that. Just know that.
She's a Denver gal.No, she's a queen.
I'm not even gonna put her whereshe's at.
Okay, that's fair,but she doesn't live in Denver. No.
Smart long distance is great, man.Yeah, you know it is. And it isn't.
Me and my girlfriend were longdistance for, like, a year. One time.
It was maybe the best year of mylife.
Yo, honestly, absence does makethe heart grow fonder.

(39:05):
Yeah, it does, but I'm huge onsolitude, so. And she lived here.
I was on tour all the time, so it'slike, even if we lived together,
it's not like we saw each otherbasically the same amount.
That's fair, that's fair.Oh, but I was telling you about
the game. Game?The game is whenever you go to a
restaurant. Oh, yes.You try to guess people's names.
Oh, that's pretty fun. So.And if you do it right,

(39:26):
you can get your waiter orwaitress on it in on it. Oh, yeah.
And they can actually confirmbecause they have the credit card.
It's called the name game.She invented it.
You know what I would do?I would just guess Muhammad for
everybody cause that's it's themost common name in the world.
Read a book for once. Yeah.So you just guessed Muhammad for
everyone. One name. Yeah.What are your Irish.
When you got the ID? Yeah.Either Muhammad or John for men.

(39:48):
And I don't know what it would befor women. You know, it's funny.
She's really good at the game.I just started being really good
at it.But a lot of Mats and Ryan's
around here. Oh, yeah.You're in Denver. It's it's.
There's a good amount of nicks.It's Denver. So not that many jacks.
Not many jacks.It's like a boomer name.
Yeah, it's like a guy who. Yeah.Jack's like a I just got home
from World War Two name.Sports reporter that they hung

(40:14):
out with the bar. That's cool.That's a great story.
A drunken sports.I feel like all sports reporters
are alcoholics. Oh, yeah. For sure.You know, they're sipping.
All they do is go to games.SIP it up. Bobo's.
What's so you ever you ever findout if you're right or not? Right.
About what? Oh, about their names.Yeah. So you gotta ask.

(40:35):
I was I was with my lady at the time,and we were in Charleston, and, um,
I asked the waiter, I was like,so what do you think their names are
just a random couple across the way.And he was like, I don't know,
but I'm gonna find out.I was like, okay, don't tell them
that we want to know their names.Just. Yeah, you just got to find out.

(40:55):
Chill, bro. Keep it chill.What is your name?
I guessed Michelle was not her name.Um, and I can't remember what.
My Michelle's are blonde usually.Yeah, I could see that being a thing.
This kind of feels like it,probably does because like, I knew
one Michelle. We were totally off.And then we talked to the couple
and they were like,what do you think our names are?
And they said, Rico and Delilah.Well, you're never gonna guess.

(41:20):
Rico. Somebody said that I'm a Rico.Oh, for you, that's for me.
That's the dumbest thing.That sounds like a drug dealer
nickname.Like I'm a character on GTA.
That's kind of. Racist, actually.Them calling you Rico sounds racist.
It's just really funny.I was like, that makes no sense,
but I'll take it.So now we're both Rico and
Delilah to each other.That's a dangerous game for a white

(41:42):
person to play with a black man.Yeah, it's. I would still play.
His name is DeVante Jones. Jones.He put the last name on there.
God damn DeVante Tayshaun Williams.No it's actually Muhammad.
One name. Mohammed Moses.Oh my gosh. That's pretty funny.

(42:04):
Play the name game guys.It's so much fun. Yeah.
So talk's gonna be back, huh?So you guys are gonna be back in
the fall? What are you doing?Actually, we're going to be here in
Denver at Levitt Pavilion. Oh, yeah.The week after the Andy Show,
August 16th. You got my boy.What? Michael Wilbur opening.
Yeah, man,we've played a lot of music with him.
We recorded a song he's killing.He's like, the best sax player in the
world. I say. Ah, that's debatable.Well, from this perspective.

(42:24):
But that's my guy, though.No, no, I'm not saying like the most
like I'm not saying he's like thebest sax player in terms of like,
fun to listen to or like even like,but he can play like just like he's
he literally can play anything.That's what I'm getting at more than
like and like maybe he's not thebest musician on the saxophone ever,
but like, as far as hislimitations on saxophone,
I don't think he has any. No.And I think his music is killer.

(42:48):
It's dope.It's so it's like it's like EDM with
jazz. And he's cool. He's not a.Vanguard. Oh yeah, he's dope.
He works out. He like respects.He's not like one of those guys
that's like a badass.Yeah, he's humble, he's chill, and
he's really easy to get along with.Like writing music with him was Yeah.
Seamless. He's a creative guy.Loved it.
He has very basically no limits onthe horn, though. He's killing.

(43:10):
Did you see when he put that,uh, that cone in his.
That's their thing. It's so sick.They've been doing that forever.
Oh, man.To mess around with that in the
studio.Other people are copying that now.
Oh, yeah, I'm sure of it. Bitches.You should have just put a patent on
that. Then they're all mad at I.But it's like you're just
copying them anyway. Oh, yeah.I mean, AI is taking over.
AI with a parking cone.And not Allen Iverson.

(43:32):
No, that'd be sick.That'd be sick if they turned
into Allen. Yeah, he's a badass.So he's opening with you.
Probably playing with you, too.Yeah, he's going to open,
and then he'll probably play thetracks that we recorded with him,
which are 2 or 3. That's cool.Yeah. Should be fun.
I've been trying to get at Levittwith Talk Forever. Levitt rules.
I love. It. It's a free show.It's a great time.
So that's the eighth. August 16th.Oh, so it's two weeks after.

(43:53):
Yeah, that's my girlfriend'sbirthday. Hey, so you're not coming?
No. That means I am coming.Bring your gal. And she.
Like good. Times. She likes it.She's probably working.
On some jam music.She loves jam bands.
Her favorite bands.Umphrey's McGee. Oh, okay. Girl.
How does she feel about Chrisnot being in the band?
Well, she's not that into it.Oh, okay. She hasn't. Seen.
Him yet. She's not, like, a dork.She just likes to go to their shows.

(44:14):
You know what I mean? Fair enough.She's too attractive to be that
unknown for. You. Oh.That's amazing. Yeah.
No, she likes Umphrey's and talkand all that kind of stuff.
She's a rocker.Well, I appreciate her for
liking talk. She'll come out.Maybe I'll bring her out.
She's not working some EltonJohn or something, you know.
She's always working.She worked for Metallica a

(44:34):
couple weeks ago.I wanted to go to that show.
I kind of don't like Metallica.I don't care about them.
But I wanted to go. Just to see.Yeah, I bet it rips.
Yeah, I was talking to Jeremy.What's your favorite? Like?
Okay, so you're probably not like abig metal guy, right? I like racist.
Stuff, like. But. Okay.So who's your favorite metal band?
Dream theater. Oh, okay.You like the polished? Sort of.

(44:56):
I can't do his voice, though.It's Mike Portnoy for me, though.
Mike Portnoy is like the oppositeof Lars. It's him. For me.
He's the opposite of Lars as adrummer. Yeah, but I just love.
I love his playing.I think it's tasty.
And for, like, what they're doing,it's like it's perfect.
Did you ever, uh, check out LiquidTension Experiment? No. What's that?

(45:17):
It's like dream theater withouta singer. It's like.
I think it's. Yeah.So it's basically instrumental
dream theater.It's, like, mostly the same guys.
I can't remember the guitar players.Okay, I.
Will definitely check that out.Is it Patitucci?
I mean,he's playing jacks like I like girls.
I don't. Know. I get laid, dude.I. Don't care. Dream theater.

(45:38):
Okay, what about like,of those 80s ones that are, like,
more famous, like Metallica, mines,Megadeth? They're sneaky good.
You should check it out.I would go Primus.
Ooh,they're playing Red rocks tonight.
Tonight? They got that new drummer.Did you audition for that?
I definitely didn't.I didn't even get a call, which
I'm not. No, it wasn't like that.You just like, threw. It was like. A.
Oh, you gotta throw in a littleaudition tape. Yeah.

(46:00):
Some guy one in Arkansas.Uh frasco knows him, can't remember
what band he's in. But I didn't even.Isn't that crazy? I mean.
To go from that to getting that gig.It's crazy to get big gigs like
that in general.But he didn't like scale up.
He went from like local bandfrom Arkansas to. I. Mean.
He went from playing garages to.And he like, won it through like
a televised audition,which is kind of a lot. Good for him.

(46:22):
That's like the American Idolway of things. Yeah, I like it.
It is kind of. Yeah.I don't mind those singing shows
sometimes.Oh, no,
some of them are really ridiculous.I actually auditioned for
American Idol back in the day.You should do the voice.
The voice is killing.I like the voice because they
don't have, like, they don't makefun of people they don't like,
have bad people on.Just like, right. Just to rip folks.
I think they do that less inAmerican Idol now.

(46:43):
I think probably someoneprobably did it, did the thing,
you know what I mean?Last time I actually watched one
of those shows.Sometimes when I'm it's uplifting.
If you just put on YouTube and put onbest auditions, America's Got Talent.
Do you know about the, um,Sunday's Best?
It's the gospel version of that.Oh my God, yes, I do know about this.
I used to watch it, I told him.Yeah, it's probably way better.

(47:04):
It's killing. It's like so many runs.That's the one that I actually
did watch. More than anything.When gospel singers start competing,
it can go wrong.Oh, it can go really bad.
But some of the judges, some of the.I mean, it was Kirk Franklin.
I was gonna say I.Was the first person I was.
Gonna. Say.It's Kirk Franklin, too,
judging that shit.Donnie McClurkin, I think was.
And he's an OG.What about, like, um, Melvin?

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Yolanda Adams was like the.And she's a great singer.
Kim Burrell ever on it? Yeah.I don't know if she was a judge,
though.People got kind of mad at her
recently. I can't remember why.Who's the singer?
That was like asking people to donatemore. He's going to lock the doors.
Oh, Marvin Sapp, not Melvin. Marvin.Yeah, yeah, Melvin. Marvin Sapp.
And that was so weird becausethey took that out of.
I mean, listen,we don't we can go into the religion.

(47:46):
Let's go into it of it.I like talking religion.
It's just really funny how peopletake certain clips and then run with
like, that's Bible. Who knows what.Well, yeah, he's also not a pastor,
is he? I think he is probably.I think he is. Probably got both.
Yeah, I mean, he's a great musician.But. People don't know this.
But there was a group from the90s and 80s called commissioned

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that had Fred Hammond. Oh, shit.Marvin Sapp and like, two other
dudes that I can't remember.There's a pop version of that band.
It was.I can't remember what it's called,
but it was Babyface and L.A.Reid were in the. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Um. Cincinnati and Indy.Because Babyface is from
Indianapolis, right? Yeah.And it was like the groove or
something real simple.All those badass bands.
Before those guys get famous,they all have one word.

(48:31):
Yeah, it was killing.It was like it was boys to men,
but gospel. What do you think?I have a theory about band names
now that we're on band names.Oh ho ho ho. Yeah, let's do it.
Okay, so I remember that jamband thing I posted.
Did you see that video?I posted some video about?
Jam band names are all bad.Yes I did. Drug dealer, yada yada.
But I kind of have had arevelation that almost every band
name is bad after like 1992,because they're all taken.

(48:54):
Everything good's taken number one.And I think that people think
like one guy argued to me.He's like he said,
Grateful Dead's a good band name.That's they are. That is good.
But it's also 1965 when they came up.Yeah, I was gonna say that's.
Phish,I would argue is a bad band name,
but. I agree. No, no disrespect.I like the band, but but because
they're famous, it's been sonormalized. Oh yeah, for sure.

(49:15):
That it's people think it's agood band name now.
It's it's because of the hype.So like. Exactly.
So it's like our band name is onlygood if the band gets famous.
The tree. The tree is that.That'd be a good band name.
That's better than most of jamband band names out there.
That doesn't make no sense.I know, but. Nothing.
But like, what's a sample oflike a famous band?

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Like, actually, Radiohead's a goodband name. That's a great band.
Yeah, so maybe I'm wrong, butmaybe there's a couple. Left, but.
They might name their band before1992. Do you know that band anybody?
Yeah,that's kind of a good band name.
That's a great band name and that'sa great band. Jazz. Nasty jazz.
People have more leeway,I think, too, with that. Yeah.
They also are probably moreintelligent.
Imagine Dragons, do you think?I think I would hate that band

(49:58):
name if I.I don't know,
I think that's kind of cool.But are you being affected by
the fact that they're famous,though? Yes. Yeah. You are.
I imagine dragons. Yeah.If they were, if they were terrible,
I'd be like, that's a dumb name.No one imagines that band.
There's like two people thathave ever imagined.
There's two people that haveever imagined. Dragons.

(50:19):
J.R.R. Tolkien and, uh, who's theGame of Thrones guy? Oh. Yeah.
Right. Right, right. George R.R..Martin. Those are the guys.
So they you think they like,loved Imagine Dragons?
No, they probably, like,picked it out of a hat. No, no.
The write the authors. Do you think?Oh, 000. Sick band likes what I like.

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No,that's what I do I imagine dragons.
Imagine dragons all the time.That band weirds me out.
He's too jacked too.I don't like when musicians get too
jacked like that. Lead singers. Man.Honestly,
I would love to get jacked like that.But I feel like. You're a drummer.
It's different. Yeah. You're right.It looks cool when you guys are
in shape.It looks like you practice all the.
Time, but we don't.But like a guy like Jared Leto's
a singer.And like, I go on this all the time.

(51:00):
I'm always harping on Jared Leto,but. Is he jacked?
Yeah, he's got abs for sure,but he's got, like, skinny guy abs.
I was gonna say that's differentthan, like. Heroin. ABS, abs.
Why don't you get, like,over 44 off? It's difficult, man.
Especially if you like pizza andpasta and all that.
Can't eat that stuff and have a sixpack. That's, like, impossible. Yeah.
I want to enjoy my life and dieyounger. That's.
You know what I mean?That I, I, you know, it's funny.

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I go to New York and I save mybread intake for New York.
That makes a hell of sense.So when I come back to Denver,
it's fruit and juice.Since I got back,
it's been watermelon, cherries,blackberries, the fruits.
Really good here, by the way.Yeah, actually. A lot.
Of it I can't find, like, blackseeded watermelon to save my life.
Yeah, outside of the farmer's market.They're better in the South.
Oh, that's where they grow.I mean, everything's.

(51:43):
Better with Costa Rica.There's some peaches out here.
That slap though. Yeah.If you get them at, like, a little
stand somewhere on federal. Mhm.Sprouts. Sprouts has good produce.
They do, but not the one on Colfax.I can't shop at sprouts because
I can't cook.And sprouts is just like a store
of ingredients. It really is.That's why I hate about that store.
Like Trader Joe's is thephilosophical opposite of sprouts.

(52:04):
If you go to Trader Joe's,it's like, oh, it's delicious.
If I had to pick one and never goto the other one again, I think I
would probably pick Trader Joe's.Yeah, they have hidden snacks.
They have delicious things inevery corner.
They also have really good ginger.They sell produce. They what?
Ginger snap cookies. I'm a fiend.You are? Yes. Anything? Ginger.
Honestly, I didn't think you reallyate desserts. You kind of give me.
Like I don't eat dessert.I am a sweet.

(52:25):
I could see you being like.I don't eat white flour.
Oh, man, I wish I'd have a six pack.We have a eight.
Pack if I didn't eat white flour.But I'm from.
I'm born and raised in New York,so it's really difficult to not. Get.
A kaiser roll or a sesame. Bread.Or, you know,
pizza and pasta and croissants. Er.I mean, bagels aren't really

(52:47):
good anywhere but there, huh?Unless it's like somebody from.
It's very rare.I would put them in the whole
East Coast.It's kind of like I've had great
bagels from Pennsylvania.Fair enough. And Jersey.
Where there's more Jewish people.Right?
Wherever there's Jewish people.It's like kind of like.
But like, it's just much easier.You can get a good bagel here,
but it's much easier to get agood bagel on the East Coast.

(53:09):
And like, at,just like by a gas station.
I was gonna say, you can go tothe corner store. Yeah, exactly.
Most bodega spot and just get abagel and just be like, yo, just
put butter and jelly on a toasted.And it's like, the best thing here.
You have to go to, like, a store.The place that has, like,
an Instagram account.They're in Denver food scene.
Yeah. Best bagel in Denver.It's just as good as New York,

(53:32):
we promise. Get in here right now.An iced coffee is 750. No!
You fucking lying.The lines around the door and
it's 95 degrees outside.Everybody's hungover from
cocaine the night.Before, but come get your best bagel.
Yeah, but get us in every geteverything bagel.
Oh, that sounds so good. Right now.We're across the street from a
music venue.That does sound good right now.

(53:54):
Yeah, it's kind of like friedchicken in the South.
You can just get, like,the best meal you've ever had.
Literally at a gas station.It's the best. Out of gas.
I'd be getting gas three times a day.There was this gas station in Texas.
I can't remember because I was ontour, and I literally just woke up
and they were like, yo, this issupposed to be the best spot to get
barbecue. And I was like, what?We're the gas station.
Looks like something out of.And then it was.
And it was fire. It was so good.I got a pulled pork sandwich and

(54:17):
potato salad and baked beans,and it was like,
better than anything I've ever had.Barbecue is another one of those
things that's been like, uh,gentrified.
Oh, and you get it here and it'slike, comes on like a prison tray,
and it looks.And you get like one slab of beef.
There's a new place by my housethat's pretty good.
I'm not gonna give him a free plug,but.
Okay, I'll get that informationfrom you later.
No, it's like it's right by sprouts.It's like where that Steve snap

(54:39):
and the dog used to be.Okay, it's pretty good, man.
Uh, but it's like good servings.You get to pick your own amount
of sauce. Okay?Don't put the sauce on it for me,
motherfucker.Nah, you better put the sauce on it
and. Make. The sauce. Give me sides.I want sides of sauce. Yeah.
They've, like, made all barbecuea la carte. Now that's weak.
It's like you're going to MCLcafeteria.
Give it to me in a brown paperbag and it's greasy. Yeah.

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I'm not trying to, like.That's what I. Want.
I'm here for one reason only.Here for a good time.
Not for a long time. Mhm.Anyway, back to this religion thing.
Yes. You're a spiritual man right.I would say so. Yes.
Do you ever ever ever like haveissues with this hedonistic Denver
lifestyle, that lifestyle thatpeople have. Yeah. But I don't let.
Like how do you balance that.Because I mean you're not like a

(55:20):
saint, you know, you're not like a,you know, you're not celibate guy.
You're not like a I mean,you're on the you're.
On the taking moments to you're.On the holy end. Yeah.
I'm just saying you're not likea puritan where you're like,
telling other people what to do.I don't want to infringe
anything on anyone.But you don't want them to
infringe on your life either.So how do you what's like the main
thing you do to balance that?Pray honestly.

(55:43):
Because when you talk to God for me.Mhm. Um that's when you see.
That's what I like about you.You don't really push it on anybody.
It's not about anybody else.It's literally about my own
personal relationship with God.And that's why I think relationship
is better than religion,because religion is man made.
Religion is a personal relationshipthat is yours and you cultivate it.

(56:04):
You understand what it is likethat when you live that,
and you exemplify that, no one couldever take that from you, number one.
And then you don't have to beatpeople over the head with the Bible.
Number two,because you are embodying what you
want people to understand. Yeah.And also like religion as a credit
card sometimes. Oh, that's big facts.I don't want to fuck it.

(56:25):
Yeah, it has a bank account.I don't want to fuck.
I mean, it just goes to show,like churches don't have to pay
taxes and all that other stuff.Yeah, it's just a it's so crazy.
So how do you keep it from seepinginto your life? These, these.
There's a lot of demons here.There are a lot of demons.
It's it's difficult.Honestly, I think that, like I said,
prayer and being able to like,die to yourself.
Like, that's one of the biggestthings that I do. What now?

(56:47):
Die to yourself. What does that.Mean?
So when you look in the mirrorand you see some things that you
really don't like about yourself,you got to come to grips with that.
Oh, pray about it.Say, listen,
this is not something that Iwant to be continuing living in.
I don't want to be seen like this.These are my vices boom, boom,
boom and boom.And this is how I need to be able to
get a grip on them. And honestly.Yeah. It comes with discipline.

(57:09):
And that's the hardest thing.Discipline our minds first
because that's where it starts.And then, you know,
being in a place where you canlike communicate that to people.
So then they're seeing you living outthe things that you're talking about.
And then maybe they do less.Exactly, exactly. Maybe not.
No cocaine, but less cocaine,but less.
And then, you know, honestly,progression over perfection.

(57:31):
You know, you know, if you shootfor perfection, you will fail.
Uh, another thing with thesedemons in Denver.
Well, they're everywhere,but we live in Denver,
and some of them are very likablepeople that I get along with. Great.
Yeah. And it's like, damn it.But you hold them in a box.
That's true.Like you'll never really see me at,
like,after parties or anything like that.
Not because I don't want to beeither.

(57:52):
It's just because I'd rather be on mycouch. I try to be home by 2 a.m..
No, I'm talking about.I'm a late night guy, though.
Yeah, I'm an insomniac anyway.I mean.
Once it starts turning to, like,eight dudes in the kitchen,
I'm out. Bro.I'm not trying to talk about
whatever business idea.You only have too many sausages
in the kitchen. I'm gone on that.Never. What do they say?
Never go to a second location with ahippie. Or never go with a hippie.

(58:14):
See, I don't even know that phrase.Because I don't. Never go to a.
You never go with a hippie to asecond location. It just.
And then it's six in the morning,see? Regretting every.
I'm already in my second dream.You have a lot of dreams.
You sleep well.I think I sleep pretty good.
You know what?I stopped smoking weed.
And you slept better.You sleep better.
And I sleep a million times better.My health is a lot better.

(58:34):
I'm less inflamed. Oh, yeah?Yeah, because they say sometimes
that THC reduces inflammation.That's what they said.
But not everybody relaxeseverything differently.
My gut feels so much better.Maybe you're eating better
because you're not high.That's part. That's part.
Maybe it's the side effects.The non greasy chicken
sandwiches at like 12 midnight.It's more like oh I got some

(58:57):
grapes in the fridge.I have been really into grapes
lately yo.I bust down some grapes real quick.
Put them in the fridge. Oh, man.Put them in the freezer and then
put them in your freezer. Guy.Huh? They get a little too.
I like them out of the fridge,but they're good. Out of the freezer.
Put them in champagne.Yeah, and then thank me later.
There's this new dessert they have.Or it's like a frozen treat at

(59:18):
sprouts, where it's like grapes justdipped in sugar. They're frozen.
It's terrible. It's so bad for you.Like, it turns the roof of your
mouth into, like, a war zone.But turns turns the roof of your
mouth into Call of Duty.It's like, sort of a healthier snack,
but it's like, not, you know,but it is healthier than eating like,
a pint of ice cream. Is it though?Yeah, because they hurt so bad.

(59:39):
You only eat four of them. Oh.Fair enough. By the fourth one.
And you're like, oh my God,fair enough.
I sour because they're sour too.Yeah. No. All right.
You probably gotta get to this gig,huh?
I probably should go,but I appreciate you having me.
You got anything you want to plug?Shows coming up. Oh, yeah.
The Levitt? Yeah. Levitt.It's gonna be fun. Free tickets.
Get on an RSVP. Right. It's free.Right? It is free. I believe it is.
Um. Look out for forever, Sinclair.DM me if you want to smell good.

(01:00:01):
Yeah. All the good things.How much is a bottle?
Um, I have three different sizes.Haha. Thanks for asking.
I appreciate you.Soft, hard and soft.
Okay, so this is the everyday travelsize. Whoa. This is 45 bucks.
They won't stop you with that at TCA.They sure won't. This is 75.
It's just a little bit bigger.And how long would you say that
lasts?This size lasts about a couple

(01:00:23):
of months if you use it.Even if you use it every day,
I think it would last.It's not an everyday thing.
About three, three months.It could be, it could be.
But I would suggest getting twoand rubbing them together. Ooh.
Just like this is 120. Whoa.For, you know, the people who don't
want to hit me up every three months.I like the container.
It kind of looks like a the CBSmakeup department.

(01:00:44):
Yeah, I love this, um,this this little wrap here, I got it.
You can't probably see,but it's gold foil. It's expensive.
Oh, good. Girl. Girl.I know, you fucking lying child.
I know you lying.You got any, uh. What?
Do you have any motivation or, uh.That's what Andy always makes
people do at the end.You got any, like, a message to

(01:01:05):
the people for this week?Yeah, man. Love everyone.
Honestly, this world is going tohell on a scholarship, so please
don't be a part of that. Literally.Yeah, it is, it is. And it's. Sad.
Because people don't take lovingother people seriously.
Like you don't have to go be upunder them, but literally just love,
love people. It makes a difference.Or at least leave them alone.

(01:01:27):
Yeah, like love them enough toleave him alone.
Love him enough to leave him alone.Quote of the day. I like that.
Love people enough to leave himalone. All right. Thanks, Isaac.
Appreciate you. Andy.We'll be back next week. Love, Andy.
I wish I had your fro,but I don't. Bye, everybody. Bye.