County and City Propose Unified Homeless Governance — COC Debates Future - Board Chambers Meetings

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Good morning, everyone. Meeting is called to order. I'd like to welcome you to the May

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2026 COC board meeting. My name is Joseph Smith. I'm the COC board chair. I'd like to
thank you for joining us today. We're excited to have you here and look forward to today's
discussion. Have we reached quorum? Quorum has been reached. Please remember that this

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meeting is being recorded and live streamed for public access. A reminder for COC board
members when using the microphones on the table, be sure to place the microphone near
your mouth to ensure your voice is heard. Public comment will be taken after each agenda
item prior to board discussion or action. Speakers may use the microphone at the center

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of the room. Before coming to the podium, please complete a public comment card in the
back of the room. Public comment will be two minutes. Please complete the COC board survey
via the QR code following the meeting. If you have any questions about the items I just

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shared, please don't hesitate to ask the Sacramento Steps Forward staff. Next agenda
item is agenda modifications. This is a standing agenda item. Are there any modifications to
today's agenda? I have a quick question. I'm not sure if this is where it goes exactly,

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but I had a question on the consent calendar. Potentially moving item three to discussion
just because it's a conversation around sharing vulnerable information. I just wanted to make
sure we give that more of a mindful look before SSF finalizes that contract outside of this
room. When we reach the consent calendar, you can ask to have the item pulled for a

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separate discussion. Thank you. All right. Next we're going to have the SSF staff report,
Lisa. Thank you, Joe. Just a few updates for everyone. One, we've had some staff updates

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that I want to make you aware of. Jesse Archer in the back there who has been your point
of contact for the board meetings is going to be transitioning to a program administrator.
So he's still supporting the COC, but it will be more in terms of the NOFO, the PIT, the
grant awards. So all of the things that we're responsible to do as a COC, Jesse's going

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to be overseeing that in a program administrator role. And so I'd like to introduce then Tifani
Wedding-O'Conn, who's sitting, was sitting here, now sitting over there. She will be
your new administrator, making sure that all of the processes and procedures and everything
related to this board activities are happening. Plus she oversees the team that includes Jesse

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and Jeff. So welcome to that new role. I'd also like to say that for the purposes of
this meeting, given that there may be some procedural challenges or issues relative to
the Robert's Rules of Order, we've asked our chief administrative officer, Carol Noreen,
to sit here to help support the board in managing if any of those things should arise for today's

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meeting. A couple other things, you should have all received an announcement for the
point-in-time count release, which is going to have shortly after this meeting at 1030.
We'll have a press conference out in the outside area here. So if you would like to attend,
please do so. The media will be present. And materials and information around the point-in-time

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count will be released at 1030 this morning. And that includes an interactive dashboard
on our website, some infographics and materials around key findings for the point-in-time
count, and a press release that informs the press of the results of the PIP.

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One other thing, and one of the reasons why we've had the point-in-time count earlier
than released than normal, normally it's in June, is that on June 1st, we are expected
to see HUD drop the new notice of funding opportunity for our community. We expect it
to be very similar to the one that they had released last year. And so that is going to

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require quite a bit of our collective work to analyze and review that new normal and
also bring back to you at your next June board meeting our analysis and next steps relative
to being able to oversee the process of applications for the new NOFO.

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Lastly, I would just like to say we know we have a pretty significant item coming up after
the consent calendar around shared partnership. And I want to recognize that I know that this
proposal is raising real concerns for some board members, particularly around whether
community-based organizations and people that work in the field every day, persons with

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expertise, may lose their voice on this. And these concerns, I think, need to be heard
directly and respectfully. So I'm hoping that there's a real opportunity today for some
dialogue at this board meeting. At the same time, I think as SSF staff looks across many

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different communities, we do see that those communities that do well with responding to
homelessness and have meaningful reductions in people who are unhoused really have strong
coordination across their entire system. That includes government agencies, non-profit
providers, health systems, philanthropic, housing partners, and certainly people with

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lived expertise. And they're also coming together with one shared set of goals, shared
data, shared accountability, and shared decision making. So I am hopeful or I hope that if
there is a task force that is established, that there's real meaningful engagement around

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getting to some of these shared structures with everybody's voice being able to be heard
in the process. I think the question before us is not just whether elected officials have
majority seats or whether current board members should have less voice. The deeper question
here is, you know, what kind of shared governance structure will allow us as a community to

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align our authorities, our resources, our respective roles, and yes, accountability
and community expertise in a way that improves outcomes. And so I'm hoping that the presenters
today will share a bit about how they envision that might work. This is the difficult conversation
that we need to have. And I think if we want to build a stronger homeless response system,

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we need to assess where we are in our current structure, where it creates barriers, and what
challenges need to be reduced so that we can address homelessness more effectively. Thank you.
Thank you, Lisa.

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June 1st.
June 1st.
That concludes our reports. Agenda item for today. Next, we have approval of the consent
calendar, the consent calendar. Within the consent agenda, we have approval of the 2026

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meeting minutes. We have approval of the conflict of interest procedure. And third, we have approval
of the data sharing agreement with Sacramento County for the purpose of contributing identifiable
HMIS data to Sacramento HealthConnect. Are there any board members who wish to pull an item for
discussion? I would like to move item three to discussion. Thank you. Are there any other

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members who wish to move an item for separate discussion? All right. Caleb?
Yeah, I wouldn't say I have like any major comments or concerns. I just think I wanted
to make sure everyone like walks through it together because I think we're, it's a,

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you know, want to be mindful of us sharing data, especially with vulnerable populations
of vulnerable times to different providers. Especially considering it sounds like that
contract is going to continue to get formalized outside the room and potentially have like a phase
two to it. So just wanting to make sure that we actually have a mindful decision out on that and
not just approving it with other agenda items. Very good. Does anyone else have any comments

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on this item? Caleb, would you like the item pulled for a separate vote?
Yeah, I think I'd like that. Okay.
I'll turn it over to Daisy at this time. For vote on the consent calendar, please pull

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item two for a separate vote.
Okay.

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Thank you, Joe. Good morning, everybody. My name is Daisy Madrigal and I'm the CLC
board secretary. For the consent agenda, we will use a hand vote system. Are there any questions
regarding the consent agenda item?

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Item three. Yes, for separate discussion.
Any other questions? No? Great. All right. Thank you. Do we have a motion for the approval of the
consent calendar?
Second. Thank you. All right. Again, we're going to be using the hand system. So all those that

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All right. Again, we're going to be using the hand system. So all those that vote yes,
please raise your hand.
Great. Any no's? Abstentions? Okay, item passes.

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Thank you.
All right. Back to you. Back to you, Joe. Shepherd vote on item three, please.

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First and a second for that, correct? No, I need a first and a second for the item.
Perfect. All right. Next item would be to pull item three for a separate discussion.
Do I have a motion on that?

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All right. All those that vote yes, please raise your hand.
That's everybody. Okay, perfect. Any no's? Please raise your hand.
Any abstentions?
Item three has been pulled for a separate discussion. Item passes. Thank you.

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Thank you. Thanks, everyone. Our next agenda item is a presentation on a new proposed
homeless partnership model framework. To present this framework, we are joined by Emily Halkon,
Director of the Department of Homeless Services and Housing for Sacramento County,

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and Yian Aile, Housing Manager for the City of Sacramento. They're here to discuss a proposed
transition that would bring the functions of the COC and our elected jurisdictions together
under a single unified body. Specifically, the city and county are requesting that this board
participate in developing this new structure. I'll now hand it over to Emily and Yian

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to provide further context. Mr. Chair, through the chair, make a comment. Yes, please. So,
first of all, I appreciate you putting this on the agenda today for discussion and
potential action. It was Supervisor Kennedy and I had asked for this, as did, I think,
the mayor from the City of Sacramento. And I just want to, the Board of Supervisors approved

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a restructured COC model back in, I think it was December of last year. And, you know, Lisa,
the comments, I absolutely hear you, what you said. And that was a big part of the discussion
when this came to the Board of Supervisors that even though our, what we propose, what we'd like
to see is the elected official involvement with the majority control ultimately of the COC.

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Everybody who has discussed this has said the, obviously, all of the stakeholders at the table
here and others, their voices is so crucial to inform the system's work, the work that we all
do collectively to address our homelessness crisis. And if this moves forward, whatever we do,
that would remain, that voice would remain in a committee structure, in an advisory capacity,

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in a very robust way. I mean, that's what I would want and expect. And I just, I think this is,
the drive from us, the way I see it, is really born of two things. Number one, I think a growing
realization among the elected, especially across jurisdictional boundaries, that we need to have
more direct engagement involvement in the COC, especially because of the amount of money and the

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amount of systems work that you do that supports the systems work that we all do in the county.
There have been efforts to have that, the Homeless Policy Coordinating Council, which I was a part of,
but that was an advisory capacity, that was more or less an educational forum.
There are significant resources that flow through here, and I think that leads me to the,

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I think the second thing that was an impetus for this, I think there's a growing demand
by the public and by the taxpayers, that public money that's being used for any social
challenge that we're facing, the public demands that there's accountability and clarity with how

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that money is being spent. And I think there's certainly clarity, but in terms of the
accountability, it's not the same level of accountability, I think, with the current
composition of the board than it would be with more elected officials in the board. And believe
me, it's sometimes it's difficult to have that accountability, but the electeds are the ones
that the taxpayers know, the members of the public know, that they can directly hold accountable if

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we're not seeing more positive results. So those were, I think, the two biggest factors that drove
us anyway at the County Board of Supervisors and are driving, I think, additional discussions
around more shared governance models that involve all of the jurisdictions. So thank you for
indulging me. I just wanted to make some of those introductory remarks.

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Thank you, Supervisor Desmond. Zach?
Thank you, Supervisor Desmond. Before...
Oh, sorry.
We will.

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Great, thank you. Before... I'm sorry, really quickly,
Jocelyn had her hand up and I think you missed it, so I just wanted to point that out.
Jocelyn and then Supervisor Kennedy.

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Hello, can everyone hear me? All right. Okay, so I wanted to speak on the accountability part.
I can't see, I don't know your name, sorry, in the blue. Rich?
Rich, you know, you're saying, you know, the people want to see more positive accountability

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or more positive results and I think that it is extremely important to voice in this room when
we're talking about homelessness that the major issue when it comes to the unhoused issue is that
there aren't enough houses and the ones that we do have are extremely unaffordable.

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So there's not a lot we can do about that. And then you also have to take into account that
there are people from all over the world, all over the country coming to California every day.
Sorry. And that contributes to the homeless issue. There are people that I know personally

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who are not from California who come here and they get trapped here, or not trapped,
but you know, they get stuck here because they can't afford to go back home.
Jocelyn, Jocelyn, thank you so much.
I wasn't finished. I'm wrapping up. I know we have an agenda, but I wasn't finished. Thank you.
I just want to I just wanted to voice that when we are talking about accountability,

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that we also talk about the growing issues that are out of our control. And I don't think that
it's fair to Sacramento or to the care providers and to the people that are working diligently
every day to maintain the homelessness issue when there are so many factors out of our control.

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I just I just want to voice that and keep that keep that in everyone's mind. Because I don't
think that the critiques are fair and I don't think that they are keeping that in mind. Thank you.
Thank you, Jocelyn. One last comment before we get to the presentation.
Thank you, Chair. I know it's unusual to have comments before a presentation,

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but since it was brought up as far as the conflict of interest, I just wanted to point
out that County Council has looked into this. Obviously, SSF Council cannot advise all of us,
but County Council has looked at this extensively and has found that there is
their advice is that there is no conflict of interest involved here.

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Thank you, Supervisor.
To the presentation, please. Well, thank you, Joe and everybody. I'm Emily Halkin,
Director of the Department of Homeless Services and Housing with Sacramento County.
And good morning, everybody. I'm the City Housing Manager with the City of Sacramento.
And we're going to share presenting here, but hopefully leaving a lot of time for discussion.

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We do know there's a lot of questions and interest in this topic.
So maybe could you forward this, Jeff? Thank you. So just a little bit of background. I know that
Lisa, as well as Supervisor Desmond, gave a little bit of context for how we got here. And
many of you have been following this, so you're very familiar with this. But just wanted to level

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set sort of the level of discourse and conversation that's been around how we organize ourselves to
best meet the needs of folks experiencing homelessness here in our community. It really
goes back to the formation of SSF. For those of you who remember when 2010, 2011, when the county
was moving the lead agency role out of the county into Sacramento Steps Forward, there was a pretty

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robust conversation. And I think expectation locally that that movement would also come with
an intention to create a really robust public-private partnership, which would have very
strong leadership from our elected officials. For various reasons, that didn't happen in the way
that I think many of us intended back then. We do have now elected participation, but for many,

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many years, we didn't have any elected participation here. Fast forward to the early 2020s. I think
Lisa mentioned this, too. There was a creation of the Sacramento Homeless Policy Council,
which was an advisory board, and I think very well-intentioned, but really didn't meet the needs
that we were talking about, about coordinating outcomes and setting strategic goals and really

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pulling together for action orientation. Following that, there was a series of conversations about
sort of rehashing where we should be. The County of Sacramento and Sacramento Steps Forward jointly
hired a consultant. The City of Sacramento participated as well, and that report was
released in late 2023, which really spurred some of the conversations that we're now at today over

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the past couple of years. And the bulk of the public conversation, at least, has happened in
the past eight or nine months, starting in August of 2025 and leading up to just last month, with a
variety of conversations at the County Board, at the City Council, at five of the other
cities in the county, here at the COC, and certainly lots of conversation with SSF leadership.

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And I do want to acknowledge that these iterations at the various boards and city councils,
certainly there have been differences, but today, I think we have very strong alignment
for a framework that at least the County of Sacramento and the City of Sacramento
have coalesced around. And based on the input I've heard from the other cities at the multiple

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times we've touched points with them, I believe also align with their goals and expectations.
So we're really excited to be at this point where we can have all of the voices weighing on this.
And with that, I'm going to turn it over to Yian, who's going to share the framework with you.
Oh, sorry. Thank you, Yian. I forgot. I can't move my slides. I forgot. Before I move it over, I just

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want to summarize what the ask is today for you. We are asking for a vote on two things,
one of which you may want to consider moving off until the next agenda. The first is we are
asking the COC to participate in this new framework that would indeed braid together
the functions of the COC currently plays in this community with local jurisdictions under one

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governing body. We are also asking for the COC to appoint representatives to participate alongside
elected officials on what we're calling a planning task force. This is an ad hoc body
that will over the course of six, seven months, design what that ultimate governing body will
look like, create that structure and more explicitly integrate the COC functions.

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We also want to note that just as the jurisdictions will have staff such as myself and Yian
participating, we would recommend that this board also task SSF staff to support the COC members
who will be participating on that task force. I do want to acknowledge that this is a big ask and
so if the board chooses to vote in favor of participation and wants to do the appointment

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of representatives at a later meeting, we'd be very supportive of that. With that, I'm going
to turn it over to Yian to go over this. Thank you.
So the proposed model, sorry, the proposed model is looking to bring together the functions and
the leadership of the local jurisdictions and the COC board under one structural body.

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As the COC board, when this body is sitting as the COC board, they would be focusing on
COC mandated functions and funding and this would be the final decision-making body for
COC programs as well as decisions that this group currently considers.

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Both the council and the board have both at public meetings represented that they would like
a majority representation of elected officials of the county and the local cities to be sitting
as this governing body. As the governing body that will be looking at homelessness and housing

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across the entire system but also as the COC board. When they are sitting as the COC board,
they would be joined by community members and as we've heard today, the community voice is still
a critical component and we continue to look at having a subcommittee structure as well as

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COC membership to more meaningfully capture the work that all of the providers are doing on the
ground. Not part of this action today but also wanted to give you the context of the overall
structure that we're looking at. There would also be a new governing body of just elected officials.
They would be meeting monthly open meetings Brown Act compliant and in addition to homeless response

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items, they would also be coordinating on housing activities managed by the local jurisdictions as
well as SHRA. We are looking to bring on a dedicated consultant staff report to help us
get through this first planning phase but also to help support this governing board going forward.
Oops. Okay, there we go. I know one of the things that was requested was to have a conversation

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around the specific composition of what this new governing body as well as what this new COC board
would look at. We believe that that is going to be a function of this task force that is created
to look at the roles and responsibilities as well as the numbers of representation
from all of the various jurisdictions and community but we have heard at both our councils

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and board that the elected officials have expressed that they'd like to see a limited
number of members for efficiency and focus so a succinct group of leadership. Again there
has been expressed a desire for the majority of the members to be elected officials

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ensuring the public accountability that we talked about as well as reflecting the proportion of the
funding that is coming from both the local jurisdictions as well as the COC of the county
and the city both put significant amount of HAP funding as well as general fund funds into housing
and homelessness issues. The other thing that we have been talking about and considering is that

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this would be a restructure of the COC board and we are not talking about just adding a couple of
elected officials to the way that we are working today and it's a modernization of what we are
doing today to really bring alongside the community voice with elected officials. Right now this board
meets and if you want to hear what's going on at the city county you have to go to a separate

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meeting to hear what's happening and we've heard from not only our elected officials but from
people across our community that they really need one place where all of these decisions and
conversations are happening and then again as I mentioned we will look to have a strong
committee structure to really again more meaningfully bring in your expertise and

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the areas that you work in. All right I'm going to turn it back to Emily to talk about the process.
Very touchy. Okay so just really quickly to go through should the COC vote to affirm to

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participate in this process today we envision this loosely as a three-phase process with some
overlapping and certainly some iteration as we go along. The first phase and I do want to say one of
the reasons we've phased out this way we really have heard I've heard from the board of supervisors
I'm sure Yian has from the city and frankly we've heard from from other members in the community
but a sense of urgency we've been talking about this for a long time we really want to see some

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action but we also want to be deliberate we don't want to leave voices behind as Lisa said.
So our recommendation is that phase one would be establishing what we're calling this ad hoc
planning task force that would be seating members from each of the county board of supervisors and
each of the city councils who are choosing to participate as well as members from the COC board
and that task force would of course have to develop a scope and some sort of formal agreement

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amongst those partners about what this planning process entails what it looks like what what
we're memorializing and one of their first tasks would be to do to continue the work alongside the
COC of modifying those COC bylaws which would include how we in the future select community
members to participate on the COC and of course that would come back to the COC board for approval

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we imagine that could happen relatively quickly probably in three to six months. Phase two is
operationalizing the new COC that would include seating new COC members as appropriate and then
that new COC which would of course now include elected members not just in the city of Sacramento
and the county sorry Sacramento City and Sacramento County but also hopefully from some of

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the jurisdictions outside of the the city of Sacramento they would take over the COC board
functions that currently are managed here in this group and then again not part of today's discussion
but sort of showing what the broader vision is is there would be a phase three to establish that new
governing body the the broader body that's that does the work beyond just what the COC does

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that is going to be a much more robust effort because it's establishing an entirely new body
that doesn't exist today and would require developing bylaws charters and roles and
responsibilities of course that will have to be memorialized in some sort of formal agreement
that each of the cities and the county will have to formally vote on. That concludes Yann and I's

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comment but before we turn it over for public discussion I wanted to invite the mayor to make
some closing comments. Thank you for the opportunity to share a few words before you all
deliberate on this. This is a priority of of the city of Sacramento after many months we came
together and embraced what the county of Sacramento had asked that we consider as Yann said

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modernizing this process and I was around when this was created I was then a city council member
so I've seen the iterations of this homelessness has changed dramatically since 2010.
Certainly is the top issue and thank you for you serving as volunteers on this board for all the
work that you're doing including the point in time count which we're going to discuss later today

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but there is a more of a sense of urgency among our constituents to have more accountability and
oversight of public tax dollars the new state money through the hat process federal money
and have more engagement with local elected officials for the city the county and the
outlying jurisdictions and coordination in all of these efforts so we put a lot in thoughts we put

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a lot of thought and time into this we don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water there
still is a real a real need by law federal law and by our values to have people who have lived
experiences and who work in these fields to be part of our process so thank you for considering
this and we ask you to to adopt it and this is a top priority of our representatives from the city

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our our staff and our partners and so thank you for your opportunity to engage in this today.
Thank you do we have folks signed up for public comment one
two three four five six seven eight we just have mike jaski

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welcome mike you have two minutes thank you thank you joe other board members i'm mike jaski
representing sac tax housing and homeless policy committee we have extensively written comments
that are go far beyond what i can say in a few minutes here high rates of homelessness despite
increasing investment have been cited as a justification for a new county-wide governance

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system composed predominantly of elected officials all been expressed again this morning this asserted
to be necessary to improve coordination and impose adequate accountability but critical information
and analysis have not been presented that can tell that change nor have high levels of homelessness
been caused by our local governance structure the newer revised governance system for housing

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and homelessness should identify and analyze specific shortcomings and failings of the current
system options for remedying each specific failing how the proposed governance system
will improve outcomes and cost of a new system and trade-offs from the current one
the first phase of the proposal is to form a task force there's no reference to the inclusion of

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sacramento steps forward staff or of the service provider community that actually has boots on the
ground that's a major flaw the second phase proposes that the coc board membership be defined
and becomes seated further debates about this are simply not useful there are so much going on

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in terms of state and federal funding and program designs that are being ignored by this body
that need the attention and they need the attention over the period that you're supposed
to be doing this governance restructuring there's a long list of things back of our comments

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that if they come to pass would have catastrophic impacts on the public housing and
uh homelessness situation in our county we need to be designing mitigation programs to
deal with those should they come thank you for your comments for two minutes or
thank you thank you mike

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hi excuse me i'm kate hutchinson i'm the deputy director at lutheran social services
um lss is a part of four continuums throughout our state shasta county uh solano sacramento
and san joaquin every continuum has a different structure but none of the continuums would be

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effective unless uh the providers with their deep understanding of the problems of the services and
of the HUD requirements and people with lived experience weren't involved and deeply involved
and significantly involved in this oc board so i'm asking that you really consider not throwing

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the baby out with the bath water um and including the people who are deeply involved in this process
and understand the complexities in the board thank you thank you
thank you
we're going to open up for board member comments and questions now

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i'm going to get a list going we have zach
supervisor desmond
bill caleb
james daryl
thank you for recognizing me chairperson my name is zachary basler i've been on this

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board for three years now and i'm one of the point in time co-chairs i have several questions that i
need some clarification on um so in the 12 but 13 to 15 years that sacramento steps forward
has had the coc board have been in charge of it have we done anything that's ethically morally
or illegally wrong that's like spurning this information i'm kind of lost on the why other

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than government representation or elected representation to my knowledge there has been
no legal or ethical uh things that ssf or the coc board has done no so it sounds like we've
been doing our job for the guidelines that have been recommended and set up by hud thank you for
that um can i add to that just sorry i know i'm sitting here just because i'm also votes i'm

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trying to i also just want to add that this um the recommendation would not change ssf's role
just the cse thank you um so for clarification today you're asking us to
to approve a joint task force is that correct we're asking the coc board to
vote to participate in this new framework that brings together the functions of the

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coc board together with the local jurisdictions under a new model so that's the first ask and
the second ask is to appoint representatives to be a part of a task force that would also include
elected officials this task force would be staffed by ssf as well as the local jurisdictional staff

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as well as shra to help support and bring this to fruition so while the city staff and the county
staff and ssf might not be sitting on the task force we would be supporting it as staff would
as we support our governing bodies thank you for that so i understand you plan on doing some
dedicated staff members for this what um funding streams does that dedicated staff for this task

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force coming from city county or coc so we have current staff at both the city and county who
work in homelessness and housing and we would be the staff that would continue to help support this
so i'm primarily funded with measure u okay so we wouldn't be using any coc current monies
um and taking any monies out of the pots that we're using to help the current unhoused crisis

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correct not for the staffing um we have talked about bringing on an independent consultant to
help support this work um the city and county we would have to look at what funding sources
might be available to help support that thank you for that so um i was reading through the
proposal and it looks like you're having shra would be management of the housing activities

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would there be any other management or is it just shra so currently shra is the housing
authority and oversees the housing functions of both the city of sacramento and the county of
sacramento they would continue in those roles as they are separately there is work on an assessment
that is happening right now with shra to look at their policies and programs and structure

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and that should be completed by the end of the year so at that point there the consultant might
have recommendations on how they might change how they operate today they could be more minor that
could be more major we're not sure how that would work they would certainly at this point continue
to be a partner as we look to bring together homelessness and housing functions together

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and emily i just wanted to add there's nothing that's supposed to change what shra does today
thank you for that um on page five you indicate that you don't know the specifics of the composition
of this new governing body this seems more like an idea than a concrete plan do you have anything
with more details on it that you could share with us so at this time we recommend pulling together

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the task force because we want to involve all of you in the process as we determine this um certainly
if the coc board chooses not to participate with us we would continue to move forward down a path
and develop these details without you um and so that's why we don't have something that's fully
baked at this point because we wanted to bring everybody together to help work through that

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we're talking about seven local jurisdictions and a coc board and so it's going to take some time
and effort to bring everybody together to reach agreement on roles and responsibilities the
numbers the number of participants etc so that's why we would like to invite you
to appoint representatives to be a part of this task force so i just add this is very similar to

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the level of detail that the city council and board of supervisors and the other cities we
didn't have a number of representatives on any of those because because we understand that's very
you know there's a lot of a lot of considerations and we wanted all the voices to be able to lift
those up on behalf of the body that they represent so the board when they approved moving forward
there was no count of bodies either i definitely agree that we should have elected persons on the

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board but i do have some concern about i think you had mentioned that it would be an all elected
body that would be the ones who would have voting power on that but at the same time you mentioned
that you would like to hear our community voices would they be a committee level or would they also
have voting power so when when this governing body sits as the coc board and are joined by the
community members those community members would be a voting member as along with the elected

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officials on the coc specific items and but with the elected board still being in the majority
correct correct and then on page six proposed processes phases one through three i don't see
timelines on that i've heard six to seven months um do you think that this work will do like if

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we're looking at six to seven months i heard a year will that interrupt the work that we're
already doing i know that we've gone through a lot of these proposals already through various
things over the past nine months and it has stalled some of the other work that we can do
do you see that affecting the current work we're doing when that happens yeah i i appreciate that
we um we didn't want to put definitive timelines because we do recognize that uh we want to be

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ambitious and we want to deliver um but no the the task force is specifically so that there's
no disruption so this board as it's seated today would continue to run in parallel until that point
in time where the new coc bylaws have been created and adopted and new members seated so
there would be no disruption in the coc work thank you for that uh my concern my biggest concern is

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hud compliance and findings and a funding risk if we were to adopt this um the biggest you know the
worst case scenarios that it would read um in extreme cases it could reduce the funding that
we already have which we already know is not enough so with that said have you had legal
review your proposal and have you reached out and gotten hud technical guidance on this proposal

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our city attorneys and i'm sure the county council have been involved as we've taken
these framework proposals to our councils and boards and they have been looking at this overall
we've also had consultation with ssf staff around some of the things that we're proposing
that is one of the reasons why we'd like to bring on an independent consultant to help us
through this task force process is to ensure that we are not violating any hud compliance or

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getting ourselves into a situation where there would be less funding so all of that would be
worked out and included as part of the process as we go forward but our intention to include the
coc members um you know from what we've looked at so far look to be in compliance with the hud
regulations but to date you haven't specifically sought out technical hud we have not talked to

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hud ta uh assistance but that would be something that we could do as part of this process you do
understand that we have a project manager or a person of that title who would have to be made
aware that we were dissolving a body and creating a new body correct sure okay that's all the
questions i have for now thank you supervisor jessica thank you mr chair and i think some of

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the uh yayin and emily answered some of the questions i had i just wanted to be specific
also in terms of the the charge of the task force if we do vote to move forward today with the
formation of that i want to be clear that the coc members of the task force would obviously not be
from one of the jurisdictions or one of the electives obviously and and i want to confirm

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that with you and then the other thing is as part of the charge of the task force recommendations to
come back to this board at some points with the actual numbers will it also include recommendations
for the the committee structure uh as well and who would participate in that and their level okay i
think what i think yes so the um before we can actually form the governing body and the new

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governing body and seat um coc members alongside electives we have to have updated coc bylaws
and the bylaws do contain that level of detail about committees and membership on the coc and
those kinds of things so yeah bill i guess just for starters um had a procedural question and

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i guess i'm trying to figure out if we vote yes morning and we're voting to participate in a new
framework are we conceding the point yeah we're moving to a new framework and if the answer is
yeah that's what we're doing well then i would urge a no vote um if this were to be amended to
participate in considering a new framework i'd probably vote yes yeah let's take a look

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but i'm not prepared today to say you know what i'm going to abandon this system
and commit to developing a new system i'm not prepared to do that today
in full disclosure i'm a fan of the current structure i think this coc board is fantastic i
think value has been added with the recent arrival of of electives and i know in the past and i think

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the history neglected it that there there was a board of supervisor on an earlier coc board
and i'm curious about what happened when that supervisor came off i i also understand that
electeds legitimately represent their constituents and have a a status by virtue of that that's really

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important in in our society in our culture and in our governing scheme but in in the coc structure
that was set up at the federal level there seemed to be a real importance placed on look there's a
community of care locally and let's identify that community of care and then let's have that
community of care form of board it's going to help these federal resources get into this community

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and that board should should include must include um people with lived experience people with
first line hands-on experience delivering services local staff who can who can provide technical
and informational support to that that decision making and as a result including elected officials

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i think the constitution here but 30 volunteers showing up every month and working hard on this
outside of committee work that you're also doing i just think is such a valuable resource and i i
know this report says we're trying to get more efficient holy cow you got 30 volunteers here
that seems pretty efficient to me you've got a lot of expertise being shared i heard to a

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criticism that there's no one place where kind of all the all the information is is present and
and can be shared and to me this is that forum and and emily and and and brian and other city
officials from other cities and at the county of course have been very informative and and i at
least have benefited from the exchanges that have taken place around this state and so i find this

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current structure really beneficial uh i i do acknowledge the arrival of electeds recently
has added value and and i i i treasure their input and and insights um but i'm not prepared
today to say you know what let's go ahead and abandon this move to something different so
unless this is amended to participate uh in considering a new framework i'm probably gonna vote no

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thank you bill caleb
yeah i have similar points actually so yeah my first one is with the conversation around
elected officials being held accountable to their constituents 100 agree i see that um

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but i also just want to bring up you know service providers people lived experience
are there to help represent the people who may not be showing up to your city and council meetings
um they have a closer line to those people um they're the people that go to when uh they are
having fears they are seeing what's working in the community what's not working and they can
they bring that expertise to the table and just have a closer line of communication so definitely

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don't want to lose that because i think again accountability is very important but the day-to-day
impacts um is very important as well and the same sort of thing i think i'm a little weary of like
some sort of like nebulous handshake i'm not against a task force but that does mean we're
sealed in something down the road especially if we don't know even what committee structures look

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like i'm i'd be very wary of jumping into that uh so again i think clarifying what this ask is
i know at the end of the day the coc would need to vote on something so i would assume that if this
task force gets created we're not entering into some sort of loose contract because it would have
to come back to the coc to vote but i would like clarity on that being actually what's happening

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down the road uh so one of the actions of the first phase if we could go back a slide
is uh to seat this task force and to develop a kind of an agreement amongst the parties who
are participating that would spell out what this body is working towards i will say

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that we're we're not looking we are looking for a vote on whether or not this board wants to
participate in the framework it is a high level framework at this point we're not looking to
create a task force to continue to debate what the framework should be so we are presenting a
framework that we are asking you to join and we hope that you will participate as we work together

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towards something that we hope that everybody will be in alignment on at the end of the day
but it's not a task force to you know clean slate let's talk about what it should be so
i do want to make that distinction clear yeah and i think i concur and i i certainly understand
it's sort of a balance wanting to have details but wanting to participate in creating those

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details right sort of a push and pull um and i think that um as yayin said i think one of her
comments that should the coc board not choose to participate or um i i believe the cities and the
county will move forward i don't think that means that there's not a closed door later for the coc
to join but it does mean that you won't be at the table to just to help design what that ultimately

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looks like and so we we see value i think and and the voices of the coc in that in in creating the
details but yayin is correct the framework is is sort of the starting point not a a potential ending
point before we move to james i have james daryl council member maple would anyone else like to be

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on the list

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not everybody james
yeah i think that one of the big things that really is a point of conversation outside of
you know this room and when we're having conversations about what this body does
with folks that aren't on this body you know a question that i consistently get from folks is

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okay but what happens if they vote a certain way that i don't agree with or that the voters
don't agree with and i think that you know we're having this conversation and saying it's important
that this body is primarily represented by folks that are elected by the voters within this
community i think candidly that's really the the gist of where i think my concern comes from but

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i would also say the the real nexus of of why we want to see more elected involvement and things
like this and and and this board specifically you know if if i vote a certain way i mean just to put
it very clearly if i vote a certain way on a you know decision to move four million dollars of
funding from x bucket to y bucket the only people that i am accountable to truly are the 17 board

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members of the power and alliance board of directors that that's it that is the only people
that i have to worry about explaining that vote to and candidly they probably are going to agree
with me in one way or another on what it is for example if council member maple votes a certain
way she is accountable to every single voter within district five of the city of sacramento

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that is an entirely different sort of i guess fiduciary responsibility to the public funds
that are being spent i have no such responsibility other than my participation on this board
that i think is the critical part of the big ask that we're coming from today and and candidly
something that that i agree with i think that this doesn't say that we're not going to have

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service providers on that board it doesn't say that we're not going to have folks with lived
experience on that board it simply says that the majority of that voting body are going to be folks
that are elected by our community i think that you know i'll be extreme with it if the voters
in the county of sacramento decided tomorrow that they wanted to upheave every single seat in the

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board of supervisors and city council they could get it done over two elections but we would still
be looking at a lot of the same faces on this board and that doesn't look like the power of
the voter to me and that's just a candid feeling that i have about that the second portion of it
is that i think when we talk about what the place of you know service providers community members

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are within this sort of voting nebulous to me it sounds like advisory committees are a really
appropriate place for this to be held i'm going to be honest i have committee members in my board
of directors and we have committees that advise the board and almost every time the board goes
with the advice of the committee you know the committees are in place to provide that expertise

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and level of insight and level of guidance and then ultimately the folks that make that decision
are the folks that are truly accountable to the entirety of the community and not just one segment
of that and so i think that you know candidly i have that optimism that you know i would feel
comfortable sort of sitting on any sort of committee and knowing that my input or insights

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were going to be considered by ultimately the voters on that ultimate decision-making body
and i think the the last portion that i'll sort of close it out with is is that
you know participating in this task force doesn't necessarily mean that a seat goes away tomorrow
it simply means that we're going to have a opportunity to really be integrated with an

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effort that is happening more largely from the city and county of sacramento that i've seen in
a long time i've been involved through several different administrations in the city of sacramento
in the county of sacramento and i have seen folks in the community calling for greater partnership
and greater you know ability to work together between the city and county and candidly i'm

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seeing something that is of a higher level of of real optimism than i've seen in a long time
and i think to squander that opportunity would be a bit of a uh a missed chance to to really get
something that that really unifies all of the decision-making bodies that are here in the city
and county of sacramento that are served by this coc that are ultimately you know part of the same

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homelessness framework that works together to solve the same exact problem that doesn't know
any jurisdictional boundaries so i think that's sort of really the the the space that i'm coming
to this conversation from i mean i would be comfortable even making a motion right now
to say you know we should participate in a new framework that that is part of the
conversation that's going on right now um i think this is a really great opportunity candidly

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okay motion's been made
second's been declared thank you darryl
um i'm only a
experience um dealing with this system um when i walked into a provider and she asked me what

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i wanted i told her that i wanted somewhere to live where i was going back to prison
because that's the only place that i ever had that was my own um dealing with these
providers that were human-centered and trauma-informed has allowed me to become a father
uh a neighbor and things of that nature um i never knew what it looked like to pay a bill

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right um and it's kind of the feelings that i'm that are going through my body while i'm sharing
this uh they're a bit extreme because i don't feel bad uh feel good rather about the lifestyle
that i was living but what i have learned is that it's not who i was that is the experience that i

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lived right and so my concern with the new framework or
a majority board of elected officials is that first touch would they have the human-centered
trauma-informed care approach to deal with the people that are accessing this system

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that's my concern um i believe that there's an opportunity for things to go forward um
and we can be a leader in solving this problem um but that's scary too uh because i also believe
that in the time that we have spent having this discussion that we could have successfully housed

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at least seven families
i i get at a loss for words and i have wrote some things down man um

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i i find it hard to believe that this couldn't have been it couldn't been solved
um not at this level right this board has been in place like several people have said
and it's been successful um and i just don't understand why it takes people who have

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constituents and i understand uh politics to a certain degree i understand that politicians
are accountable or they have people to rely on but there are there are other people that
are accessing this system that's in place right now today with successes i don't hear anything

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i've heard other people from the community talk about uh the providers um if if there was going
to be a majority of anything until something is solidified it would be those people that have a
first touch in working with these people out here that are experiencing homelessness and in
captains uh it perplexes me uh i've talked to people that are in my life and i told them you

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know what i don't really like being here but i've benefited so much from everyone around this table
troy i've been in the room with troy for over a couple years i never
i never understood what shra or emily or yian my god these are not the kind of people that um

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they go in and out of prison for you know 20 some odd years but because i've been successfully
housed and on the street for 19 years consecutively tells me that the system that's in place
is working
right it tells me that it's working so to uproot it and change it all of a sudden

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my concern is where does that come from all of a sudden
what is the deciding factor that something has to we have to make a
change and we have to do it right now that's concerning for me thank you
um first i want to say uh just thank you to everyone for their participation in this discussion

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i'm really appreciative of the staff particularly yian and emily for all their work on this because
this has not been an easy discussion as you can see today there's a lot of emotions there's a
lot of um i think great viewpoints on all sides of this issue and i also think that that's why
i'm here i'm here to talk to you about this because i think it's a great opportunity to

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on all sides of this issue and i also think that that's why we should do a task force
because we need to be in space to have these conversations we need to be in a space
and i've heard a few comments um mr jaski and mr rogers about you know why are we having this
conversation we could be doing other things um i don't really believe in that either or

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conversation i think we are this work is happening while we're sitting here right now right we have
providers that are out there doing work right now um and people are being housed because the
work of this um this board and more and so i i don't think it's an either or conversation i think
it's a yes and um we continue to do the work and we have this conversation because i do think it's
necessary um in particular this was mentioned in emily's comments at the beginning um this

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has been a conversation that has been ongoing in sacramento county for at least 20 years
long before i was in this position um and actually preceded the the formation of this board and of
sacramento steps forward in the role that they have today um and it was always acknowledged
that there would be a joint powers authority um in addition to sacramento steps forward in the work

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and that never happened um but i have to ask myself if that was a mistake not because the
work of this board isn't important but because the work is so much bigger um and i say this with
respect 40 million dollars ish is a lot of money but if you look at the context of the entirety of
the money that is spent in sacramento county and the city and the other cities on homelessness

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the wide range of it it is hundreds of millions of dollars and yet the conversations that happen
here are not about that money right and yet when we have um those of us in this room who have
elected or who have our constituents that call us 50 100 a day show up to city council meetings
and board of supervisors meetings very upset with us and they want to know what are you doing where

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is the money going why don't i understand why don't i know i want to say this with respect
most of them don't know who you are they don't know this board exists they don't know how to
come here i don't know i've only been here a few meetings i can tell you maybe max we get a handful
of speakers i can tell you during a city council meeting like we had last night we can get sometimes
hundreds who show up and they ask questions of us about homelessness and that's also people

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who are experiencing homelessness so it's not just angry neighbors and business owners
um it which is some some of the insinuation i hear at times it's also people with lived
experience people who are going through it who want to know how to get help and it's very
challenging for them because where do they go it depends on where you are right if you're in the
city of rancho cordova if you're in fulsome elk grove citrus heights sacramento unincorporated

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county that answer may be different for you and the and who you go and talk to to get the help
that you need is different for you and that is one of the key questions and challenges i think
that we're all collectively trying to solve for here it's not just about how do you spend 40
million dollars a year it's how do you create a system where people can more collectively find
the help their need where there's no closed door there's no wrong door there's no wrong answer

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just come here we're going to find the help and then we can create the right resources for
everyone i recognize that this is a really challenging system because we don't have enough
there's not enough resources to go around to do all the things that we need we need to build a
lot more housing we need a whole lot more shelter and everything in between and some that creates
this scarcity mindset and this you know fighting over pennies at times and i this happens all across

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our nation but i i believe strongly that if we can better coordinate ourselves and all the
resources that we have that includes the great resources at the county of sacramento the resource
of the city of sacramento the other jurisdictions and our policies right because there's all this
you know while we're talking about money and service providing guess what there's other
really important questions like enforcement right every jurisdiction in the county of sacramento

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has different enforcement mechanisms and policies every jurisdiction has different funding sources
they have different priorities in terms of how they spend the money right all of that matters
in context to the problems that you are here trying to solve every single day so i think
that's really important and we want my goal at least and i know the goal of others in this room
is to create a space where we can have those conversations where the public knows where to go

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that are open that are done at their brown act which is the the law that we are bound by as
elected officials um and that allows us to have a more global conversation but we really do not
want to make sure that anyone is excluded so i appreciate also in the presentation that it
includes the voice the same voices today is it the same exact structure no um i really want to

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agree with mr allison's points there is there is a difference right because that i am accountable to
about 70 000 people in my district and and the mayor's here from the entirety of the city of
sacramento we've got our county supervisors here who who will often say that they each represent
something like 200 000 um people or more i'm sure got that number wrong um so that's important

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because those people call us they show up and guess what we are accountable to them so i make
a decision they don't like they can vote me out that's my accountability and that's really
important because they need to know when we're talking about again 40 million dollars here a
year that's a lot of money that's taxpayer dollars they need to know that the people that are making
those decisions ultimately have accountability to them and i think that's a really important point

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another note that i wanted to make is just being elected is one of the hats that i wear i also
have many others one is that i left home at the age of 16 from an abusive household and i was
homeless when i was younger it's a bit it's part of my story i'm the first in my family to go to
college i have a lot of life experience that brought me to this point and oftentimes when
people see me they see the person in the suit isn't elected official but that's not my whole

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story and so i want to acknowledge that there's a lot of people in these positions that also carry
other experiences that are important here and i think my goal is to make sure that we're bringing
all the right voices in the room but we're having a much greater global conversation about
everything that needs to be done in context of homelessness because that's what the public
demands people are frustrated they're sad they see the state of the humanitarian crisis on our

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streets and they wonder what are we doing about it um and and i i worry about that it keeps me
up at night every day i know it keeps you up too and i think that we can do an even better job than
we're already doing this the great work that's happening here if we can coordinate better on
all the resources that we have um and so with that said i'm very supportive of starting that
towards a task force i think that we can't um i heard some of the questions about well we don't

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have all the answers yet i think that's a good thing i think it would be a bad thing if we came
here as government and said you know what this is exactly the model that we think you should use
sign on or else we want you to be a part of the decision making we want you to be a part we want
you to ideate with you um and we want to learn from you i'm sure there are things that will be
brought up that we're like oh we didn't think about that that is required we need to make sure

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we meet all of our hud requirements we need to make sure that the right voices are connected and
so i will be supporting the motion today and i hope that you'll join me thank you
thank you i have uh joe pacheco daisy ken deborah supervisor kennedy is there anyone i'm missing

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you have the floor thank you um i don't think there's much i can say that's
going to be different from what everyone else here is saying um but i am the operator of
four major shelters here in sacramento i do and i work for the city i work for the county and

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previously i've worked for shra and everyone here has a wonderful voice and everyone here
in their opinion i believe is absolutely important and i just speak from my experience
working in this field on the ground mr rogers your story i know is not unique

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i hear your story damn near every day sir there are people in pain there are people that
have a past that they are desperately trying to get away from and i'm just happy that i'm
in a place where i can at least provide some support and guidance for people when they're
going through that and our system is having successes i don't think anyone is arguing that

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we're not what i see on the ground as an operator of some of our shelters here in our community
is that we do not have a unified voice or a unified policy and procedure of how our shelters
and how our system of providing shelter is structured and it's it's i guess it can be seen

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as a criticism it's not a criticism the city the county everyone has their their priorities that
they have to make decisions about based on the you know what's happening in their jurisdictions
what our community needs in my opinion is a centralized authority that sets that policy

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and that and that authority actually has some teeth to actually enforce that model that's
been decided and i don't believe we have that right now this body here can make decisions
quite honestly that the city of sacramento and that the county of sacramento really do not have
to follow this body i'm a shelter operator i do not believe this body has much impact

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on what my policies and procedures at my shelters are i answer to the county and the
contract that i have with them and i answer to the city and the contract i have with them
not to the coc and i see an enormous duplication of effort and money in our system

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we have almost every single shelter is ultra low barrier and there's where's the place to go for
people who are making progress the people who've gotten clean and they're trying to escape addiction
and they're doing the absolute best that they can i don't have a place for them to go they have to

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sit there with people still using and then they have to leave my shelters through a gauntlet
of drug dealers and i wish that wasn't the case for four years at first step communities i watch
drug dealers doing their business right outside the window of my office

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and my clients had to walk through that every day to get to work to get to appointments to go to the
doctor our community we're doing a good job we see successes every day everybody we do but we can do
better and i and i really do believe strongly that a centralized authority with real authority

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to make decisions in our community is what we need um and it's why i'll be supporting this
thank you
daisy
thank you joe um i think that the one thing that i do want clarification on is uh why must it be

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the majority elected officials right um if you say that you value the voices here uh why not
show the community that you would allow the the voices that are like boots on the ground
that are also seeing these people show up to their doors that we're going to them
meeting with them on the sidewalks have equal footing in this new structure because all all

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that i've heard is like you know how you're accountable to your constituents
the experts are in the room we're going out there we're seeing what people need we know the need
but why not allow us equal footing why must it be majority elected officials because what that's
telling me is that you're going to hear us but you're still going to have the final say to

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disregard anything that we say and so to me having equal footing would mean um you would still have
the teeth that that um to make you know the change but you would still allow the community
to have an equal opportunity to to you know present the changes and feel like these changes

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are actually going to be considered because what that's telling me is you're going to hear it and
you're going to still you know you have the majority so you're going to decide whatever
you want to decide anyways and that to me is not um inclusive of community voice that to me is a
tokenization

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okay
thank you very much um this is an interesting conversation to sit in and listen to and just
think about through my own life lens i of course have served on this board since 23
and 23 is a big number for me in this conversation but it's not 2023 it's 23 years ago

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23 years ago next month uh associate supreme court justice anthony kennedy
dropped a letter in the mail to my home because i was going to take an oath of office
an oath of office in a month to found the city of rancho cordova and in this letter

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an associate supreme court justice of the united states a little personal stationary
who taught con law at my law school that's how i did
letter said self-government must not be an abstract ideal but must be a reality

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and we must be unceasing in our efforts to make it more effective and respected by our people
i see this as a conversation about self-government i see the appeal made efficiency and focus that
we kick the can to the elected officials but actually this is a duly constituted body under

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hud law and we have people who are focused because of in many cases the searing reality
of these issues in their lives they're not casual observers they're not accidental bystanders
they're they've lived it fought it and are traumatized by it there is an aspect of being

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focused and serious about solutions which is a form of efficiency that arises out of this group
because of what puts them all here um i admit that there's i actually think notwithstanding
the views of staff that there's we ought to be looking at how do we get more shoulders against

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this wheel and that includes working with our elected officials but i don't think the structure
the solution is dumping this structure and toss it over there this to me is much more
in american democracy there is a very strong thread of we govern ourselves by sort of setting
up systems with creative tension senate and assembly have to agree to make progress

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and then take that to the governor there's an aspect of this is a very different body than
ranch cordova where i was a founder and i sat on all kinds of regional boards
as a part-time elected official in the various suburban cities do um but i just don't think that
i i actually don't favor the motion at this point because i keep hearing

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this vote sort of sets the thing in motion and if i'm a lawyer and i'm not active as a lawyer
right now i need to say i have a jd there's a lawyer for 40 plus years currently on an active
status that vote would be a very powerful vote for their lawyers to take back to the hud to say
yeah they were constantly under federal law but they've moved they're moving in a different
direction it was from that body ergo we're good sort of ends the discussion and i and i hear

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william talking about the role of individuals their life experience not just william everyone
many of you voiced that and on behalf of the folks you deal with that you would see uh in the
power in so i look at through the lens and i i understand it is not seen as efficient but the

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way i measure efficiency it's hard to beat and i think um i go back to that kennedy quote that
we're just working on making self-government a reality and i think uh it's what america needs
a bunch of people grappling with an issue and trying to find a a way in a concerted

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basis to make progress and the elected officials are not wrong for saying the public needs progress
um we need to improve the way we have maintained accountability um i wrote the book on oversight
on the assembly's website that's still on the website i believe in oversight i serve on

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wayne state law school advisory board focus on oversight which is all about
how do you maintain accountability it's a huge interest of mine but again the way i see it i
think there's a reason federal law wants this broad-based board with lived experience i think
that's their view of how you're going to get focus and efficiency appropriate to the need and uh

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i i think that's where we should center our solutions and so i'm i'm not favor in favor
of a boat today to sort of give a green light that we are going down this path i think that
fundamentally compromises the approach that i think is a sound one you know somebody

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churchill will rogers somebody said you know democracy worst form of government except for
all the others and i think we're sort of struggling with the aspect of it it's messy and and as you
know my successful local government doesn't look efficient but in terms of standing up for people

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trying to maintain a sharp people focus uh touch people's lives by exercising good policy
you know my model governs people in government make decisions those decisions affect people's
lives you improve the quality of those decisions you touch people that's what i think this
conversation is about and so it's really how to improve the quality of those decisions i think

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it's creative tension so i think maintaining that creative tension is where i come out thank you
thank you deborah
as i listened to this this morning um to me it's sort of um it's a bit double binding

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um in the sense of the presentation as i see it really is this board can choose to participate
or not but this is moving forward and with or without you and um that's not a position i'm very
comfortable with um i would prefer a more collaborative approach and i appreciate that

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apparently there's been a tremendous amount of work that's gone into um arriving at this point
but i've had little awareness of it i don't know about the other board members until
the last few months a couple three months or so um having uh the voice of elected

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officials present at these meetings uh participating has been very valuable and
has changed the tenor of of the meetings to me i think we could work within that framework
of having those voices in an existing board and if at some point we decide to move forward with

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the planning and participating having a more clear understanding about where the voices of
the community are going to be i don't know with this task force i assume that there probably
is at least an informal plan for composition but i don't know what it is um it says that

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there will be a representation uh from this board is that one person who will that representative be
what will that voice be like those are questions that i don't have answers to at this point
thank you supervisor kennedy

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thank you chair um i wasn't going to say anything um i think i annoyed enough people last time i
said something at this meeting um but sometimes i get passionate about this subject like like all of
us uh a lot's been said and i want to bring a different perspective first of all on deborah's

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comment about moving forward with or without you simply absolutely not the intention here and
and not going to be the case not just because of as the mayor said our values wouldn't permit it
but it's not legal um this body will continue and everybody around this table will continue
to have a voice whether or not this vote goes forward today as far as one of the things that

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always kind of i find interesting and and coming to these meetings makes me better as an elected
official is hearing people's perception of elected officials uh and um council member
maple was very eloquent in talking about her life experience i'll share a little bit of mine

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uh and that's that as an 11 year old boy whose mother single mother died of a drug overdose
uh i couch surfed for about a year and a half as an 11 year old um so you know people think that
elected officials live in an ivory tower and don't have life experience that quite often they do

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and i just want to make that point and also as i said at a previous meeting you know it's it's us
the elect is sitting around this table who get the phone calls from you know a mother in my wife's
special education class who is looking at becoming homeless and it's my office whether it's my wife's

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class or any other class uh who walk them through hold their hand quite literally and figuratively
uh to get them the services that they need as well as we possibly can and what's available
um it's it's often us who get the phone call on a friday evening about a family

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who is living in their car and uh about to be towed um and make sure that they get a voucher
at least for that night to to make sure that that doesn't happen we live this on a daily basis we
don't sit in an ivory tower and just show up at council meetings and board of supervisor meetings

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and all the other jpas we sit on um we live this on a daily basis but to say that the system is
working you know there's 7 000 people out there who would vehemently disagree and
there's also a great member number of the public who disagree that the system is working and we

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hear it all the time that they want us to take more responsibility that they want us
to be more accountable when i was chair of the board several years ago
i was approached by the chair of the coc at the time and the chair of second of steps forward
uh at the time and they came to me and said we need more participation from our local governments

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we need more policy direction we are lacking that that was the coc and steps forward board
chairs that came to me and said that um we've tried different iterations and what we've done
is we have rearranged the chairs on the deck instead of doing something that's significant

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that can change lives again in in no way does this diminish the role that you all play
we need you to continue to play that role or we will not be successful this just leads to a
different form of accountability and accessibility and and as councilmember mabel said um you know

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all due respect assembly member um you know self-governance isn't self-governance when
nobody outside knows what's going on in this room uh nobody knows we're meeting um you know
it's it's a it's a cozy little group of 27 people who are really well intent

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intentioned and and very smart and very good at what you do and and i know you you you're doing
you know the right thing but the public is completely unaware and of what's going on here
and has no say no voice so um that's why i seconded the motion i apologize if i got too personal

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but i i just think that there's a fear that we're that this proposal is trying to take away
the power of people and i think it's exactly contrary to that that what we're doing is
trying to give more power to thank you

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i think i mispronounced your name the first time and i want to apologize jazzle
yeah um i just wanted to speak to the comments about accountability um from people's constituents
you know when people are calling you because they're about to get towed or they need a voucher

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they're not calling you to build more shelters or you know construct more housing programs
they they want you to lower the cost of living they want you to figure out a way to
lower rent prices so that people can afford to live in a house their their ultimate goal is not

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to survive in a shelter it is to be housed it is to be able to afford to take care of themselves
not not to have to rely on programs and service providers but to be able to be self-sufficient
with the money that they have that is what they are asking y'all to do that is what they're

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that's what the accountability is and we cannot house people when there are no houses we cannot
house people when they're working two three whatever jobs and they still can't afford rent
i think all everything that everyone has had to say here has been valid and emotional and

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insightful
but this isn't going anywhere because we are at a standstill and i don't think that
people have the right perspective on things about this particular conversation

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and i i just wonder you know if we go through this task force or if we go through with
any of these other structures that are being proposed what's going to change
how are you going to how are you going to tackle the cost of living
how are you going to lower people's rent by not just giving them a voucher or by you know giving

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them uh you know subsidies that can get taken away from them at any time if something in the
government changes and you know you guys keep saying that the constituents are calling you and
you have to be accountable to them how many times have we seen elected officials do the opposite of

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everything they've said they were going to do how many times have we seen elected officials
be crooked grifters how many times have we heard people say they don't trust elected officials
based off of their actions right now we we have elected officials doing photo ops

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destroying homeless encampments destroying what little people have it's not much
it it might be an affront to some people but that was their home and
and

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it was taken away from them and it's being used to push some
some narrative about homeless people to villainize them
for political motives
and you guys are failing to realize that yeah you might have hundreds of people coming to

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city council meetings you have people blowing up your phone but you have hundreds of thousands
of constituents and only hundreds of them are going to city council meetings
um i'm gonna wrap this up but

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i
i i'm a little disappointed and i i don't think that
sorry um

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i don't think
that you know today was really
not it didn't go how i wanted it to go it did this conversation and go how i wanted it to go um

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and i think we need to do more to actually listen to the people that we are here to serve and to
keep that in mind um and i don't know that having a majority of elected officials on this board
is going to do that um because personally i've i've gone to city council meetings there was
one the first one i went to was last year around this time actually and about 45 maybe more people

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signed up to speak and we had to do this whole thing where like we have to keep in mind
that we didn't have enough time for everyone to have the two minutes that um
is guaranteed to them so we had to you know kind of wrap things up quicker than normal
and uh to ensure that everyone um got to say uh everyone that signed up to speak got something

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got a chance to say something um and we did that only for everything that everyone got up to say
to be ignored and thrown out the window the following week by elected officials so
there is a great deal of distrust and it shouldn't be that way we should be able to

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trust each other on this board we should be able to trust elected officials and i would i think we
need to do more to to build up that trust so that we can make decisions and move forward but
when there's so much distrust it's difficult to

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to collaborate and it's difficult to make decisions so
thank you
the chair's discretion will be extending the meeting as we're already over time
this time the chair wants to recognize lisa bates

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thank you i think i have a couple of questions for staff um and i have heard it alluded here to
the motion that you're seeking then that's on the table right now is to engage in a task force
that is going to consider uh the details of a coc structure with majority elected officials

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um i don't believe your slides indicated that there would be a coming back to the coc similar
to going back to the city council and the board of supervisors so i think we need to be really clear
about what the action is today to me it is participating in a task force that would recognize

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a majority elected official body but the actual vote for this body to to change itself is is to
come back after the task force i mean the task force is non-binding i think i need is that my
what is the clarification there again i was trying to get the slide up but um there is a

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indicate oh i think there is a recognition that phase one would include coming back to the coc
with those revised bylaws um for coc approval um it it's not in the slide that says the motion
you're so the body today is not making a motion to change its constitution you're making you're
asking for a motion to engage in a task force that is considering the majority elected as the

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format says to participate in a new framework yeah so the it's a participation in a task force
that will ferret out the details of that framework and then come back with the coc revised coc bylaws
that reflect that framework so it's we it's on you are asking this body to vote on a new framework

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correct okay i just i want everybody to know that going into the vote the second part just to be
quick i think that the slide that had it we do put on the slide that we would also ask today
you appoint a member or members but that is fine if that wants to be continued for a later yeah
um two other questions i know emily you had mentioned earlier that ssf remains the same so

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that had not been articulated in the slides or that our role or function continues um so i just
want to clarify is that the understanding for ssf talking about yes yes so it is still the case that
only the coc board can change the lead agency role and so um at a future date that could but

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today's action would not change any role of ssf we would recommend that this board designate ssf
staffing to support those coc members just like yayan and i will support whoever our designees are
and so the last question i have and you may have to think about it is given um um how the task

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force may choose to reconstitute or recommend the recon the changes to the coc it could have
implications for sacramento steps forward as a non-profit and as the lead um applicant at the
moment so i would ask that you consider that perhaps an ssf board member also be participating

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on the task force for the purposes of thinking about the role of ssf and any things that might
change um from its status not only as the collaborative applicant but as a fiduciary
um responsibility of board members to look at the non-profit so i would ask that you consider that

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need an answer right at the second or okay if somebody's trying to make the motion
okay um my turn is this
point okay brian go ahead i'm sorry i couldn't see it

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so taking every we should have just gone around the table and had everybody put their comments in
at this point um taking all this in there's nobody there is there is nobody at in this room
at this table that that doesn't have uh compassion in their soul to be able to do this job

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you cannot there is no amount of money that reflects the
damage that is taken upon all of us to be putting the responsibility of trying to help
our homeless community um

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that said i get the unique opportunity and i'm honored to take that opportunity
of sitting between electeds in our community and this board um and it's fantastic because
i get to hear from everybody um i get to hear from our community loud and clear um

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it the i i think that the new structure will actually give more voice
voice
having electeds on a on a single body because last night and is an example so

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everybody is homeless focused in this room last night we're working with a city-wide budget
there's people screaming from every council district and and it's not just the people
that come to council because there's plenty of people that electronically send in their desires

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and requests i'm battling to try and keep my budget along with the police department
parks department the public works uh the department utilities every department that
we have in the city and their most important thing is whatever it is that they are doing

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there is not enough money to go around and that said if we have electeds on a board
that get to hear from this committee they get to take that back as their voice when they're

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on the board of supervisors or at city council it's an it's an extra voice in their ear that
we get to provide with this structure where everybody is together right now
we sit on this committee i go back to my city council emily goes back to her board of supervisors

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that translation gets the the game of telephone of what we bring from here to the board and council
they take their interpretation of it and you know there is a decision that is made by elected
officials on this i can bring something from this board and say hey um i just got back from the coc

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and they want to give everybody a gold bar and that's a recommendation that i recommend we give
everybody a gold bar and city council is going to tell me thank you for your consideration
um and thank you for your consideration so there is a balance on this of yes i we all want to get

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people housed we all want to provide services i get phone calls every day as well as all of us in
the room that there is somebody unhoused that needs something whatever that may be and every
individual has their own needs they're on their own journey we are trying to help there is not
one model that is going to help everybody um we we do need to be more coordinated we are fractured

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the way this system is right now and as much as the city and the county are working together
and and um i mean working as closely as as we ever have since i've been around
the the system is still fractured um because we're not all together making that single decision and

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it's not a single decision it's everybody putting in their input and then we have to decide what we
have the money for and what will it's not all about just what will provide the the most effective
solution and that's what i struggle with i'm going to the board right now uh going to city

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council our most effective program is our most expensive program but when you're looking at
budget you have to look at the funding and how we can help the most people with the amount of
money that we have and with some cities having hap our budget is all over the place with the

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cities that don't have hap funding we need to use that to help the cities that that don't have
that funding we there's just not enough funding out there and we all understand that we all want
to help we all understand that but there is it ultimately falls on our electeds that are writing

(01:48:42):
the checks for all of this and their community that's screaming at them to do something about
this and we are all trying to do something about this um and i mean i think i'll i'll
end it there but there there is no perfect structure i can tell you um but just trying

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to coordinate together and uh try and be as efficient as we can our service providers are
doing fantastic work um but there's no doubt but it's but it's not that it's it's service
and then it's service and budget it's trying to help as many as we can within the constraints

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of the budget we only have so much control over this we didn't create homelessness
we don't have the budget to unwind this so
we're we're trying to coordinate the best we can to make the
the dwindling funding that we have work for the most amount of people and i'll end it at that

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council member plucky bomb
can you hear me now okay uh some of you may have heard uh i am dcr's biggest critic that is not

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because uh i don't appreciate the work that the department of community response is doing at the
city it's because i like all of us think that there's more that we need to do and we're trying
to figure out how to be more effective with the resources that we have i also agree there's a
tremendous problem with trust in in government uh full stop um don't have an answer for that

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as i sit here uh but i agree i also don't trust many of our elected leaders um none of the ones
in there today but uh we have that problem uh ken i agree and the hegelian tension of opposites that
is a important part of this process getting multiple points of view or we can uh uh debate

(01:50:53):
and feel each other's uh heart and position and understand each other's reasoning is is a
really beautiful part of what's happening here today and uh in the best environments uh we create
a process to embrace that i had this fight with kevin johnson before he won his first race about

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his process and at the end of it we understood that we agreed on at least 90 of our goals but
about 100 of our process we disagreed he was always trying to find a shortcut and sometimes
taking some time and and having uh building consensus and and working through the issue if
it's not an emergency uh you have that opportunity well we're we're in a state of crisis this is an

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emergency and i bring up kevin johnson because it was almost two decades ago now that uh you know
this city recognized that we were facing an existential threat with respect to how we are
treating people experiencing homelessness and it has only gotten worse we've had successes we've
had uh you know new strategies and and things that have made a difference i'm not trying to

(01:52:02):
discount the good work that everyone here and everywhere else has done but there is more work
to do we have folks here both elected and volunteer with lived experience that experience
is important and powerful daryl i heard you that is i am so glad that this is working but there are
more folks out there that we need to help and reach and if there is an opportunity for for this

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process to reach more people for us to uh advocate for more resources we all know we need more
resources i i i think i'm um it is universally understood i like a short meeting i am not looking
for more governance but if we try this i think we can end this debate and give it a chance that's

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why in the city council discussion about our response data to and a jpa i asked for a sunset
clause i think that the the best strategy for this body is to move forward with this this vote today
support this this resolution is presented and come back and review and if it's working great
if it's not let's make an adjustment but today if we can just agree to move forward together with

(01:53:12):
this consensus uh package i think we can we can uh end this debate for now and come back and
review at a future time i yield quickly respond to lisa before you go just a little cut off got
by lisa's ask is that okay so lisa just at your request about um this ssf board of directors member

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the intention of the task force was to be inclusive of the members who ultimately would
be the governing body of the so ssf wouldn't be one of those so my recommendation on that
would be that uh twofold is that we formulate the task force as as was contemplated um with
members who would ultimately be a member of the governing body and ask that task force

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that they wanted to add members and but then secondly there's absolutely no problem um if
ssf wanted to include one of their board directors as one of the staff um alongside yourself or
trent or whomever that would be my recommendation because the intention is that task force be the
people who ultimately um would be members of the board question is this a jpa the jpa was

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not mentioned anywhere in your slide deck at this point we're looking at a high level framework
what the ultimate agreement and what we work towards ends up being could be a jpa um it could
also end up being a partnership agreement or an mou that is part of this year-long process that we

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look to embark upon um and something that this new governing body would like to do
the city council moved forward with the proposal that was a jpa
the county board of supervisors did not we're bringing forward the commonalities that we have
between our two proposals at this point as a high-level framework that we will

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continue to find as we go through this process thank you
um

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if it doesn't
and coming back to those

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right um but i like that approach saying hey let's try to do and if it doesn't work
put it in a call or something that did not work

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thank you
okay with the uh
with respect to the request today
um i cannot support the motion to approve the options that have been brought forward
when i came to this board in 2020 i will be perfectly honest with everyone here

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i didn't trust hardly any of you i didn't trust city officials county officials
hardly trusted a service provider honestly
i trusted mike jaski

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mike jaski told me that the power of the coc board
lies in the decision making and the experience of people with experiences such as mine
as mine chronic homelessness
and mike is a guy you can trust and i'm glad i did

(01:57:31):
since i joined the ward thousands of people in sacramento have been touched by
supported by or housed through work connected to this board's work that work has happened because
this board brings together service providers government staff elected officials people with

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lived experience managed care plans our youth action board and other community partners
that mix is the strength of the coc it helps keep hud funding focused on the people it's intended to
serve people experiencing homelessness who need housing shelter and supportive services

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i understand the argument that elected officials should have more responsibility because they are
accountable to the voters and that matters but elected officials also face strong neighborhood
pressure when housing shelter and services are proposed in specific communities my concern is

(01:58:38):
shifting primary control of coc resources to elected bodies makes those funds more vulnerable
to political pressure programs that are doing good work could do great work it may be delayed
weakened or blocked i support real regional coordination i supported jpa with teeth

(01:59:05):
but i will not support a vague plan that shifts control over coc resources
reduces community voice and does not require equal city and county investment into a jpa
senator ashby was right we need a structure where city county and community are in the

(01:59:25):
room together working as equals but that is not what has been brought forward today
the proposal does not clearly define the legal structure it does not commit meaningful city
and county funding into a jpa it does not provide enough clarity on how community voice will be
protected if the city and county want coc controlled or coc directed resources including

(01:59:55):
hud and hap related funding to be governed through a new regional body then the city and
counties should contribute at least an equal amount annually to that jpa
at minimum their combined annual annual investment into the jpa should match what
the coc brings to the table through hud and hap related funding that would show real

(02:00:22):
shared financial responsibility right now this does not look like equal partnership
it looks like shifting control over coc resources without making an equal local commitment
to something like a jpa if this is truly a shared regional structure then the city and

(02:00:43):
county need to fund it like equal partners not rely on coc resources to carry it i'm not saying
there's nothing useful here i think this may be a starting point but this is not yet a complete plan
key details are missing including the compensation of the governing body its authority the role of

(02:01:04):
the community and how people with lived experience and service providers will continue to shape
coc decision making by reducing community seats and weakening community involvement
we risk weakening the very thing that makes the coc effective we also make we also risk making

(02:01:27):
sacramento less competitive for hud funding for those reasons i cannot support approving this plan
today i believe we need to come back with a real shared governance proposal that clearly defines
the structure requires actual city and county funding commitments into a jpa protects community

(02:01:49):
based decision making protects people with lived experience and service providers and does not
weaken our ability to compete for hud funding
that is the standard i believe this board should expect before we move forward
if there's nothing else

(02:02:13):
i want to ask does anyone want to declare
conflict of interest
seeing none
you make it quick jaslin

(02:02:38):
i just had a quick question for the elected officials in the room
it's not a rhetorical question but i also don't expect an answer today if you were granted
the power that you all want which is uh to be majority in the room what would you do different

(02:02:58):
i keep hearing this vague mentioning of doing more and being better and making more progress
what would you do differently than what we are doing now you're already on the board
you're already in the committees you you're already an elected official
what what truly different what what magnificent idea do you all have

(02:03:21):
that would create more progress in sacramento and the the neighboring counties
thank you no one has declared a conflict of interest if there's nothing else
um i'd like to uh put a substitute motion on the floor for consideration what is your motion

(02:03:56):
my motion is that the coc board must approve any final governance structure
before implementation negotiated structures between the city county and coc must be formalized
with the via jpa and that at least 50 community representation
including service providers those with lived expertise youth action board managed care plans

(02:04:20):
non-profits and other stakeholders be part of that 50 community representation
we have a substitute motion on the floor does it have a second
we have a motion and a second

(02:04:41):
we will take a vote on the substitute motion
call the roll please
thank you so all those that vote yes on the substitute motion on the floor please raise your
hand all those that vote no

(02:05:19):
any abstentions
and uh the motion did not pass
now we'll take a motion we will take a vote on the main motion

(02:05:41):
like a roll call vote on this please call them one at a time
could we have the motion restated clearly for the body
yeah again
sure it is to participate in a new framework that would bring together the functions of the
coc and the local jurisdictions under one governing body there's two asks so we can

(02:06:05):
take them one at a time or if you want to take them both we'll take them together the second
one is to appoint coc representatives to participate alongside elected officials on a task force
to develop a new governing body structure including integration of coc functions
you take a friendly amendment on item two that we uh declare uh who will be appointed to represent

(02:06:31):
the coc by the next meeting sure yes or whoever makes the motion should include that will you take
the uh yes i will thank you

(02:06:56):
sure uh the the friendly amendment if you will was to come back by the next uh
coc meeting to decide who will be representing the coc on the task force
that was uh uh accepted and seconded please call the roll

(02:07:22):
perfect okay we will start on um this side of the room um all those that vote yes please state your
vote now sorry my name so i'm going to call them okay sorry they're not in order so i apologize
for this okay um this is on the main we're voting on the main main motion main motion the

(02:07:46):
amendment to come back uh before the next meeting or to come back by the next meeting
to decide who will represent the coc just a second i'm sorry we're voting on both i'm sorry
there's one vote yes okay great so i'm gonna do a roll call please state your vote um james allison

(02:08:18):
and i am so sorry if i mispronounced your name uh and i'm not sure if they're here because i
don't have the current attendance sorry i'm on no i should not be yes thank you
uh zachary uh bassler no

(02:08:42):
pan cooley no
david uh gerion
rich desmond
emily halcone
deborah hicks
noelle uh camerman absent

(02:09:07):
brent kenyuki
perfect patrick kennedy
troy lynch
yes
and then daisy madrigal i vote no

(02:09:29):
katie maple
caleb merrill
jaslin mosley
joseph pacheco
william paveo
no brian pedro

(02:10:01):
sorry give me one second make sure that i i'm putting them correctly
no then brian pedro is yes perfect uh
oh perfect okay nicole piva

(02:10:24):
uh phil
thank you for saving me uh monica rocha wyatt absent perfect uh daryl rogers
no joseph smith no
janine spotnitz

(02:10:45):
tara turrentine
ka vang
angelina williams and garrick wong
okay motion passes
yes
thank you everyone we are well over time and there'll be a press conference for the

(02:11:08):
point in time uh stick around for that it looks like i'll be out there in the open area
this meeting is adjourned

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