May 27, 2026 • 32 mins
City and County leaders convene a joint special meeting to introduce CVR Associates' independent assessment of the Sacramento Housing and Redevelopment Agency (SHRA). The review will gather stakeholder input, evaluate public housing, voucher and development programs, and examine governance to identify improvements.
Officials emphasized collaboration, transparency, and the need to modernize SHRA after decades of change. CVR outlined a listening phase, site visits, and a timeline for draft findings and final recommendations to inform future leadership and operations.
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Good afternoon, everyone. We will now call to order the special meeting with the County
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of Sacramento and the City of Sacramento. Would the clerk please call the roll?
For the County of Sacramento, Supervisor Kennedy? Here.
Supervisor Desmond? Absent at the moment. Vice Chair Hume? Here.
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Supervisor Cerna? Here. And Chair Rodriguez? Here.
County of Sacramento has a quorum. For the City of Sacramento, Councilmember
Kaplan? Here. Councilmember Dickinson? Here.
Vice Mayor Talamantes? Here. Against my will.
Councilmember Pluckybaum? Absent. Councilmember Maple? I am here.
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Mayor Pro Tem Guerra? Here. Councilmember Jennings? Absent.
Councilmember Vang? Here. Mayor McCarty? Absent.
We have a quorum for the City of Sacramento. And I will note for the record, Supervisor
Desmond has joined the meeting at 2.02. All right. Would the clerk please read the
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All right. If we can have everybody please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for
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which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Thank you.
All right. Would the clerk please call the first item?
The first item on our agenda is status update on the independent assessment of Sacramento
Housing and Redevelopment Agency by CVR Associates, Inc.
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Good afternoon, Chair and Board members, Vice Mayor and members of the Council. I'm here
to introduce the item that's before you today. As you recall, in August of 2025, the County
Board of Supervisors requested that staff pursue an independent assessment of Sacramento
Housing and Redevelopment Agency with the goal of strengthening governance, operations,
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and collaboration across our jurisdiction and community partners.
Following a competitive procurement process and in partnership with our colleagues from
the City of Sacramento, CVR Associates was selected. CVR rose to the top because of their
extensive experience nationwide in assessing public housing authorities and their strong
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track record conducting organizational assessments that lead to implementable outcomes.
Today, CVR is here to provide an overview of their assessment process. They have just
launched their first phase, which is stakeholder input, and the City Council and Board of Supervisors
are among those key stakeholders, amongst others that they'll talk about today.
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Their work will evaluate SHRA's key program areas, examine governance roles and responsibilities,
and identify opportunities to enhance coordination, transparency, and impact.
This is an informational item and we look forward to hearing from CVR as they walk us
through their approach. So with that, I will invite Melanie Campbell up to and Zach Elliott-Mercado.
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Good afternoon, Melanie. Good afternoon.
Good afternoon. Thank you, Siobhan. We do have a presentation, briefly describes what
our process is. We'd like to share that with you, a little bit of our expectations with
regard to our team and our timeline, and then we just want to continue our listening phase,
which is what we're in the midst of right now.
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So CVR, Siobhan had a chance to share a little bit about what our history and experiences,
but we've been doing this for over 30 years. In fact, we've just had our 31st anniversary
of the organization, and we do specialize in the work that housing authorities do across
the country. We do agency plans, we do agency assessments, we certainly are very, very informed
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on the Housing Choice Voucher Program, a public housing basic core programs that housing authorities
operate, but also the ancillary programs that a lot of housing providers and housing agencies
administer for communities. We additionally do a lot of consulting in the area of affordable
housing development, so we are very knowledgeable about that, and we also have proprietary technology
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solutions because we know streamlining and efficiencies is essential when we're providing
affordable housing services, so we have a line of business along the technology solutions
as well.
So I'm Melanie Campbell, I'm co-president of CVR Associates. I'm joined here by Zach
Elliott-Mercado, as Siobhan said, but also here present with us at the moment as well
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is Candace Horton, and Mike Andrews is also with us here today. We have additional team
members that will be helping out on these assessments, but they'll be joining as we
progress into the coming weeks and months of our scope of work.
So just again, we've done some of this work really across the country. We just put up
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a few examples of housing agencies that we have done this kind of work for, but we also
do work, frankly, for hundreds of communities across the country and even into the Caribbean,
and we again are also a HUD TA provider. HUD calls on us to provide technical assistance
to housing authorities and grantees across the country.
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So we have three strategies, and Siobhan touched on them a bit, but these are words
directly out of the RFP that we responded to and that our proposal spoke to. I won't
necessarily read all this to you, but basically we're going to look at their public housing
and voucher programs, their development programs, some of you call them the entitlement programs,
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and certainly governance. I'll turn it over to you.
With that, so we just wanted to give you a flavor for the team that we have for each
of the strategies. So we have this label, it's task one team, but really strategy one
team. That'll be led by Candice, who's in the audience. We have members that are here
with us today and the members that are not here with us, and so one of those members
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not here with us is David Vargas and Milan Asinic. They are with a company that they've
formed since being former HUD executives, so they were at the higher echelons of HUD
and now have formed their own company and specialize in public housing programs. Steve
Nolan is also a subcontractor to us. He specializes in PHA finance, and we have a CVR team member,
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Vincent Brewton and Jason Boer, who have expertise in public housing and the voucher program.
I will be leading the strategy two team, which is around development programs. We're joined
here by a subcontractor, Mike Andrews, who's with structure development. We have Rebecca
Rothenberg with Atria Planning. She specializes in entitlement programs. We have Steve Nolan
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again on that task team, and then Jason Boer as well. And then finally for the governance
team, we have Melanie Campbell. We again have Dave Vargas and Milan Asinic, Mike Andrews,
Steve Nolan, and Jason Boer. So our overall process, this is also taken from our response
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to the RFP. Right now we're in that step one, which is really our listening session,
and so we've started that this week. That'll continue over the coming weeks. And then phases
two and three are kind of going to be meshed together, and that's really when we dig into
the meat of the assessment. So doing due diligence, requesting documents, the things that are
rising out of these conversations we're having this week, we want to dig in further, ask
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questions, make requests, meet with the right people to answer questions that we have. And
then in phase four, we'll start drafting our observations, making recommendations to you
all, and that will lead to a final deliverable. And so some of the formatting here is a little
wonky on the screen, so sorry about that. But we got kicked off and we signed our contract
and everything in March. We're here with you all now in May. We're planning, we're in the
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midst of planning a site visit in July to dig into the assessment phase and meeting
with staff and really digging into questions that we have that are rising out of these
listening sessions. We're in talks to come back in September or do a September virtual
touchpoint with you all, so to be determined, but we're in the process of scheduling that.
That would just kind of give you a preview of kind of where we're heading. And then we
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would plan to come back and present our planned observations and deliverable in November and
then finalize that deliverable and submit it before the end of the calendar year. All
that said, this is our plan, and at this moment we don't quite know what we're going to get
into when we get into the assessment phase. And there might be some threats we need to
pull on a little bit longer, or we know we're in a dynamic environment and things change.
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And so there could be things that alter this timeline, but we will make sure that you are
kept informed throughout that process.
And I think the only other thing I would add in full transparency is Chris Warren, who
is the current executive director for SHRA, is a senior vice president with our firm CVRS
Associates. And that completes our presentation.
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So this was an opportunity for us to bring both the city and the county together. I think
we haven't done this for about almost 10 years, I think was the last time the two governing
bodies got together. I think one of the things was to really kick off the project and to
share where the project was going, and then also any feedback or anything that either
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of the governing bodies would like to share with CVR, now would be a good time to share
that information.
I do have a supervisor in the queue. Supervisor Hume?
Thank you, Chair. I just want to say what a momentous occasion this is, that it's the
first time we've sat as a JPA body on this dais or any other dais to talk about SHRA,
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so hooray for that. And then I would just like to reiterate, I can't speak today for
some reason, I don't know why. I would like to say again that what I mentioned in our
briefing the other day, that this is a grand opportunity to reimagine a housing authority
of how, you know, you might dream about one being. And so I hope you take that opportunity
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seriously and not just nibble around the edges or polish off the rough pieces, but really
like reimagine and know that we are all committed, I think, up here of trying to do something
a little differently.
Thank you.
Supervisor Kennedy?
Thank you, Chair. I had a lot to say this morning, so I won't reiterate everything I
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said then, but just for the public to know that, you know, this is a long time in coming.
This is an agency that's 40 years old, and I think it's healthy for introspection every
40 years. You know, the world of housing has changed. The world of homelessness has changed.
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The redevelopment hasn't really changed. It's gone away. There's a number of reasons
that we need to do what we're doing here today. I thank you. I've read over your materials.
I applaud your approach. I think it's a good one. Certainly your credentials are amazing.
And the right, seems to be the right people to do the job. I think having, you know, in
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the process we now have our, what's your title? Interim? Interim Executive Director.
Having an Interim Executive Director and then eventually a Permanent Executive Director,
this is the exact perfect time to do that. So I really appreciate my colleagues on both
the Board and the Council for recognizing that and for being here today. So, you know,
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my door is open to you throughout this process at any time you want to chat.
Supervisor Desmond?
Thank you, Madam Chair. And I just want to pile on. I'm sure everybody will be piling
on here. I appreciate the chance to visit with you yesterday. And I think for members
of the public watching this, I think this is really an inflection point in how we collectively
address homelessness in the county. And I think all of us up here are committed to continuing
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to have public forums like this where we all gather and give the public a chance to weigh
in on what we're doing and for us to hear their frustrations and for that level of transparency
to guide the policy decisions that we collectively make in addressing this crisis. So thank you.
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Vice Mayor Telemontes.
Thank you, Chair. I do want to note that this is the second time in the history of this
SHRA body where the city and the county meet together on the dais to be able to discuss
SHRA and the future of it. And so for me, I'm just super thankful for our county partners
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on agreeing to meet together collectively today. Having everyone in the same room to
provide direction, to ask hard questions, and to improve coordination is important for
us to be efficient, transparent, and just have better communication so we can better
serve all the Sacramentans with our housing crisis here. So thank you and look forward
to the reports.
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Thank you.
Council Member Garrett.
Thank you again. And, you know, one, I just wanted to thank for the briefing that you
guys were able to provide. One thing I forgot to mention in it, and I'm assuming it is in
the stakeholder identification, but not only in the conversations that you have as individual
rank and file members on the work that they do, but I want to make sure that we're also
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having a conversation with our bargaining units so that they also are communicating
with their employees about, you know, the concerns that they may have and the fears
of where this agency may be going. And so I want to make sure that that's a deliberate
part of the conversation. And excited to be here with my colleagues. Thanks.
Thank you for your input.
Council Member Kaplan.
Hi. Good to see you in person. Welcome to, I guess it'll be interesting, and I look forward
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to the final report with 14 bosses because we're totally going to agree on everything.
But most importantly, I really want to look forward as, you know, what does SHRA look
like as we look for an interim director? How do we have a cohesive approach to what
are their job duties? What are the goals that we as a body want them to accomplish so that
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there's a true transparent and open line of communication? And then I just want to encourage,
and I know you're doing this, but when we talk about listening to the stakeholders,
it's the people who are actually on the ground building the affordable housing, working in
this area. What is their experience? Because they may have experiences in other jurisdictions
and other states that have best practices that we could look at implementing here. But
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appreciate you and look forward to the final report.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Council Member Mabel.
Thank you, Chair. Well, we had a great meeting yesterday. Thank you for taking the time.
And I know we talked in depth, so I won't go into all of that. But I just want to say,
I want to agree with some of my colleagues here that it's time. You know, it's been many
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years. I heard 40 years, but I thought SHRA, was it founded in 1973?
Yes.
80, what? Yes or no?
Chat GBT system.
Chat GBT. No, I'm more inclined to trust Supervisor Kennedy than Chat GBT. Regardless of the timing,
I think it's been plenty of time. And as was mentioned, the R part of SHRA, the redevelopment
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piece is no longer here. And it's probably not something that will ever come back, at
least not in the same form that we once had it. And so it's high time for us to really
take a look at what does this agency look like and what does it do, what should it do
moving forward. And I think that's really important that we do it in partnership with
one another.
I will say publicly that one of the things that I hope comes out of this is, you know,
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I think one of the challenges that I've heard from not just staff at the agency, but even
from sometimes the public and others, is that it's really hard when you have two different
places where key decisions are being made. So for example, getting the same presentations
at both the city council chambers and the County Board of Supervisors chambers, and
then maybe two different performance evaluations for the executive director, maybe, you know,
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all of these things, policies that are coming forward. And not to say that it can't happen
that way, it has happened for many years, but perhaps it would be better if we did things
together that made sense. So I look forward to seeing your recommendations on the governance
piece, how we can work together better and be more efficient with the time and the space
that we have. And also, I think probably most importantly, for the employees to make sure
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that it's really clear for the staff, the executive director, the staff in the agency
that they know exactly what's expected of them. And we are giving one clear message
from all of us about what we'd like to see everything from, you know, how much should
it cost to build a housing project, you know, what that expectation looks like, because
I know there's different opinions on that on this dais, to, you know, what the staffing
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should look like. One of the things that we talked about yesterday was I'm really keen
on customer service. That's something that I take into account in my job all the time.
I view myself in that way for the constituents that I represent, and I think that all of
our agencies and departments should do that. And so finding ways that we can be more efficient
and effective using technology perhaps to be better in our communication with the constituents
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and the folks who use SHRA and are in our housing. And so those are some of the things
that I mentioned that we talked a lot more. I'm really looking forward to seeing what
you come up with. Also, as was mentioned by Lisa Kaplan, from other agencies, there's
a lot to learn. They're all structured in different ways. There's maybe some things
we can take and others that don't make sense, but I think that we have a lot to learn and
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I'm looking forward to the conversation. So thank you.
Council Member Dickinson.
Thank you, Chair. I'm sorry I wasn't able to meet with you this morning. So this is
my first introduction to you and you to me, and I appreciate the presentation. I do agree
with my colleagues with respect to the time for review. I think it is timely. Certainly
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what the agency does has changed most significantly with the demise of redevelopment. But contrary
to some who believe I was around at the time the agency was created, that is not quite
true, but I've been around this environment for a long time. And it seems to me there's
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often in these exercises, these undertakings, a presumption that something is broken. And
I don't think necessarily that's a presumption that applies in this case. Are there changes
that may be beneficial? Are there modifications that may be helpful? Absolutely. And that's
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to me the point of doing these kinds of reviews. But I do hope as one member of this combined
body that you don't go into this work with the assumption that the agency doesn't work.
There may be ways to improve it, certainly. There may be ways to help us be more efficient
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and more effective. But I would suggest to you that this agency and this rather odd structure
has actually worked quite well over the duration of time that the agency has existed. So my
expectation is not that the agency needs to be torn down and rebuilt necessarily, but
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that it is one that can hopefully work better for all of us with some sensible kinds of
improvements and with the recognition that the mission of the agency has changed some
because of what's happened externally in particular. Ultimately we want to focus, in my view, on
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the outcomes that we want to achieve through the agency. And identifying those outcomes
and then measuring how well the agency is meeting those outcomes now and whether there
are changes that can be made that will better help us reach those outcomes. I would tell
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you that's what I'm looking for out of this work. Thanks.
Thank you. Vice Mayor Chalamontes.
Thank you. I just want to touch on what Councilmember Dickinson just said. There's a lot of members
of the Sacramento Housing and Redevelopment Agency here in the audience. And I just want
to thank you for the work that you have done to produce all the reports that have come
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before us now under the direction of Chris Warren. Incredible work that you're doing.
And like Councilmember Dickinson said, there's always areas of improvement in every single
organization, every single department, because we here in local government are tasked with,
like Mayor McCarty says, doing more with less all the time. And so less federal dollars
are coming down for you and the programs that you currently operate, the vouchers that you
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operate, and the need and the demand continues to grow in the Sacramento community. So keep
up the good work, hang in there, and looking forward to working with you and the consultants
and Chris Warren to be able to move Sacramento forward. Thank you.
All right. I will save my comments to the end. Are there any requests to speak?
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Yes, we do have one member of the public signed up to speak.
Still a comment. Would Lambert please approach the lectern?
You have two minutes to address the body.
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Good afternoon, Lambert.
I was invited here by someone because I'm a native. And I think this is a good thing.
If you work in the direction that you should, I think Senator Ashby should get some sort
of kudos, too, because from what I've read, she was trying to do this type of thing and
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there was a lot of pushback, but here you are. This is the powers to be in Sacramento.
And being a native, you should be able to sit down and figure it out. Otherwise, you
should, to me, be replaced, because there's enough power in here to figure this out. It's
only one section of the city, which is SHRA. Now, it covers a lot. I was a big fan of,
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I can't think of her name, Rochelle Lachelle, and also a lady was here before her called
Cassandra Jennings. They were outstanding with SHRA, but like you said, the redevelopment
is gone. And so, you know, I wish you well, because people have been talking about you
should come together. So here you are. Now you're front and center. You're going to be
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under the microscope of scrutiny. And so hopefully you get it done.
Thank you, Lambert. There are no other speakers. Okay. Mayor McCarty.
Well, thank you. What time is it, by the way? 228. This was scheduled for an hour. I don't
know if we could make it happen in an hour. And I guess that's what I wanted to address,
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is that we're all here together, and we wanted to do this, and now what? And so I would venture
to say, like you started out, Supervisor Hume, that this is the beginning, and we're here
at the first meeting, and maybe we're not going to dig into as much today, but I would
very much like, as some of our council members have talked about, and I know our Vice Mayor
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has, and Supervisor, if we could have a structured opportunity for us to engage on SHRA matters.
I'm not sure if it's every item. Certainly some things are certainly specific to our
geographic area, but on big issues like the budget, what's happening with our housing
choice voucher program, reforms at the federal level, what's happening with our public housing
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stock throughout the city and county, because, one, the people who call these numbers, they
don't know the boundaries, and number two, you know, the questions that Supervisor Desmond
may ask, like, oh, we didn't realize that, and we're not always watching your Channel
14 hearings after that, thank God. And so this just allows us to, you know, whether
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it's the Golden One slogan, or the Golden State Warriors slogan, stronger together,
and I think that's what we are when we work on these issues. And I will say, too, that
I think it's time to modernize it. I don't know if we want to throw the baby out with
the bathwater, but a lot has changed. It was created in 73. It was modernized in 80. I
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know Councilmember, former Supervisor Dickinson and I both served on the SHRA Commission when
it was very different, when most of the stuff we talked about was redevelopment, and that's
been gone since 2012, and most of the issues now, 75% of the budget and our team is related
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to public housing and administering housing choice vouchers, so certainly that's the focus,
and having an opportunity to zero in on that and focus on effectiveness. I also think that
we need to focus on, can you bring up that chart again you had, Chris, or somebody? There's
one, two, three, the kind of elements. Are you talking about the strategies? No, there's
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the process. There we go. Area of focus. So governance, we're here, you know, clearly
we're all interested in that. As I said, roughly I think 75% of our people and our
resources we get from the federal government, which I know we're on the chopping block right
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now, hopefully it doesn't happen, are for strategy one, and so that's appropriate to
look at that and how those are working, what we can do to maximize, but two, I don't know
if 2026 going forward, if they're in the right place. I know some of the programs that SHRA
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does, the county does on their own, and does it make sense for the jurisdictions to zero
in on that, or with SHRA, and so as you look at the effectiveness of those programs and
how we're optimizing it, I think that's a key question as well, is what does that look
like going forward, but I guess the big picture is I'm appreciative that we're all here, and
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I know people were nervous, there would be a big food fight here, and obviously we're
very cordial, but I think we're all on the same page, and when people call SHRA to get
help for housing, I don't know, boundaries and so forth, they know that we are elected
to help and try to make things better, so again, this is hopefully the beginning, and
thank you, Chairwoman Rodriguez, and look forward to the next endeavor.
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You know, I agree, I think this is very exciting time for the city and the county because there
is so much that crosses over between our jurisdictions, and to have the opportunity to come together
and problem solve, because ultimately the end user, which are our constituents, are
the ones that are in need, and when we get the phone calls that, you know, I waited an
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hour and a half to get through, I didn't get through, can you try calling, and they call
to us, our ultimate goal is to be able to help an agency that could do some improvements
and also maybe reconsider whether now is the time to even change the name, Sacramento Housing
and Redevelopment Agency, we don't have the redevelopment part anymore, so to me it's
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very exciting to do the collaboration, I also want to thank you and your team for the effort
that you are going to take in this endeavor and working with us to make those improvements,
and that is it.
All right, any other comments?
All right, so there are no other comments, any other comments from the execs?
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All right, then we will call adjourn this meeting at 2.34.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Good job, chair.
Wow.
Good afternoon, everyone. We will now call to order the special meeting with the County
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of Sacramento and the City of Sacramento. Would the clerk please call the roll?
For the County of Sacramento, Supervisor Kennedy? Here.
Supervisor Desmond? Absent at the moment. Vice Chair Hume? Here.
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Supervisor Cerna? Here. And Chair Rodriguez? Here.
County of Sacramento has a quorum. For the City of Sacramento, Councilmember
Kaplan? Here. Councilmember Dickinson? Here.
Vice Mayor Talamantes? Here. Against my will.
Councilmember Pluckybaum? Absent. Councilmember Maple? I am here.
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Mayor Pro Tem Guerra? Here. Councilmember Jennings? Absent.
Councilmember Vang? Here. Mayor McCarty? Absent.
We have a quorum for the City of Sacramento. And I will note for the record, Supervisor
Desmond has joined the meeting at 2.02. All right. Would the clerk please read the
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All right. If we can have everybody please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for
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which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Thank you.
All right. Would the clerk please call the first item?
The first item on our agenda is status update on the independent assessment of Sacramento
Housing and Redevelopment Agency by CVR Associates, Inc.
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Good afternoon, Chair and Board members, Vice Mayor and members of the Council. I'm here
to introduce the item that's before you today. As you recall, in August of 2025, the County
Board of Supervisors requested that staff pursue an independent assessment of Sacramento
Housing and Redevelopment Agency with the goal of strengthening governance, operations,
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and collaboration across our jurisdiction and community partners.
Following a competitive procurement process and in partnership with our colleagues from
the City of Sacramento, CVR Associates was selected. CVR rose to the top because of their
extensive experience nationwide in assessing public housing authorities and their strong
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track record conducting organizational assessments that lead to implementable outcomes.
Today, CVR is here to provide an overview of their assessment process. They have just
launched their first phase, which is stakeholder input, and the City Council and Board of Supervisors
are among those key stakeholders, amongst others that they'll talk about today.
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Their work will evaluate SHRA's key program areas, examine governance roles and responsibilities,
and identify opportunities to enhance coordination, transparency, and impact.
This is an informational item and we look forward to hearing from CVR as they walk us
through their approach. So with that, I will invite Melanie Campbell up to and Zach Elliott-Mercado.
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Good afternoon, Melanie. Good afternoon.
Good afternoon. Thank you, Siobhan. We do have a presentation, briefly describes what
our process is. We'd like to share that with you, a little bit of our expectations with
regard to our team and our timeline, and then we just want to continue our listening phase,
which is what we're in the midst of right now.
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So CVR, Siobhan had a chance to share a little bit about what our history and experiences,
but we've been doing this for over 30 years. In fact, we've just had our 31st anniversary
of the organization, and we do specialize in the work that housing authorities do across
the country. We do agency plans, we do agency assessments, we certainly are very, very informed
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on the Housing Choice Voucher Program, a public housing basic core programs that housing authorities
operate, but also the ancillary programs that a lot of housing providers and housing agencies
administer for communities. We additionally do a lot of consulting in the area of affordable
housing development, so we are very knowledgeable about that, and we also have proprietary technology
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solutions because we know streamlining and efficiencies is essential when we're providing
affordable housing services, so we have a line of business along the technology solutions
as well.
So I'm Melanie Campbell, I'm co-president of CVR Associates. I'm joined here by Zach
Elliott-Mercado, as Siobhan said, but also here present with us at the moment as well
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is Candace Horton, and Mike Andrews is also with us here today. We have additional team
members that will be helping out on these assessments, but they'll be joining as we
progress into the coming weeks and months of our scope of work.
So just again, we've done some of this work really across the country. We just put up
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a few examples of housing agencies that we have done this kind of work for, but we also
do work, frankly, for hundreds of communities across the country and even into the Caribbean,
and we again are also a HUD TA provider. HUD calls on us to provide technical assistance
to housing authorities and grantees across the country.
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So we have three strategies, and Siobhan touched on them a bit, but these are words
directly out of the RFP that we responded to and that our proposal spoke to. I won't
necessarily read all this to you, but basically we're going to look at their public housing
and voucher programs, their development programs, some of you call them the entitlement programs,
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and certainly governance. I'll turn it over to you.
With that, so we just wanted to give you a flavor for the team that we have for each
of the strategies. So we have this label, it's task one team, but really strategy one
team. That'll be led by Candice, who's in the audience. We have members that are here
with us today and the members that are not here with us, and so one of those members
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not here with us is David Vargas and Milan Asinic. They are with a company that they've
formed since being former HUD executives, so they were at the higher echelons of HUD
and now have formed their own company and specialize in public housing programs. Steve
Nolan is also a subcontractor to us. He specializes in PHA finance, and we have a CVR team member,
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Vincent Brewton and Jason Boer, who have expertise in public housing and the voucher program.
I will be leading the strategy two team, which is around development programs. We're joined
here by a subcontractor, Mike Andrews, who's with structure development. We have Rebecca
Rothenberg with Atria Planning. She specializes in entitlement programs. We have Steve Nolan
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again on that task team, and then Jason Boer as well. And then finally for the governance
team, we have Melanie Campbell. We again have Dave Vargas and Milan Asinic, Mike Andrews,
Steve Nolan, and Jason Boer. So our overall process, this is also taken from our response
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to the RFP. Right now we're in that step one, which is really our listening session,
and so we've started that this week. That'll continue over the coming weeks. And then phases
two and three are kind of going to be meshed together, and that's really when we dig into
the meat of the assessment. So doing due diligence, requesting documents, the things that are
rising out of these conversations we're having this week, we want to dig in further, ask
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questions, make requests, meet with the right people to answer questions that we have. And
then in phase four, we'll start drafting our observations, making recommendations to you
all, and that will lead to a final deliverable. And so some of the formatting here is a little
wonky on the screen, so sorry about that. But we got kicked off and we signed our contract
and everything in March. We're here with you all now in May. We're planning, we're in the
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midst of planning a site visit in July to dig into the assessment phase and meeting
with staff and really digging into questions that we have that are rising out of these
listening sessions. We're in talks to come back in September or do a September virtual
touchpoint with you all, so to be determined, but we're in the process of scheduling that.
That would just kind of give you a preview of kind of where we're heading. And then we
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would plan to come back and present our planned observations and deliverable in November and
then finalize that deliverable and submit it before the end of the calendar year. All
that said, this is our plan, and at this moment we don't quite know what we're going to get
into when we get into the assessment phase. And there might be some threats we need to
pull on a little bit longer, or we know we're in a dynamic environment and things change.
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And so there could be things that alter this timeline, but we will make sure that you are
kept informed throughout that process.
And I think the only other thing I would add in full transparency is Chris Warren, who
is the current executive director for SHRA, is a senior vice president with our firm CVRS
Associates. And that completes our presentation.
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So this was an opportunity for us to bring both the city and the county together. I think
we haven't done this for about almost 10 years, I think was the last time the two governing
bodies got together. I think one of the things was to really kick off the project and to
share where the project was going, and then also any feedback or anything that either
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of the governing bodies would like to share with CVR, now would be a good time to share
that information.
I do have a supervisor in the queue. Supervisor Hume?
Thank you, Chair. I just want to say what a momentous occasion this is, that it's the
first time we've sat as a JPA body on this dais or any other dais to talk about SHRA,
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so hooray for that. And then I would just like to reiterate, I can't speak today for
some reason, I don't know why. I would like to say again that what I mentioned in our
briefing the other day, that this is a grand opportunity to reimagine a housing authority
of how, you know, you might dream about one being. And so I hope you take that opportunity
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seriously and not just nibble around the edges or polish off the rough pieces, but really
like reimagine and know that we are all committed, I think, up here of trying to do something
a little differently.
Thank you.
Supervisor Kennedy?
Thank you, Chair. I had a lot to say this morning, so I won't reiterate everything I
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said then, but just for the public to know that, you know, this is a long time in coming.
This is an agency that's 40 years old, and I think it's healthy for introspection every
40 years. You know, the world of housing has changed. The world of homelessness has changed.
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The redevelopment hasn't really changed. It's gone away. There's a number of reasons
that we need to do what we're doing here today. I thank you. I've read over your materials.
I applaud your approach. I think it's a good one. Certainly your credentials are amazing.
And the right, seems to be the right people to do the job. I think having, you know, in
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the process we now have our, what's your title? Interim? Interim Executive Director.
Having an Interim Executive Director and then eventually a Permanent Executive Director,
this is the exact perfect time to do that. So I really appreciate my colleagues on both
the Board and the Council for recognizing that and for being here today. So, you know,
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my door is open to you throughout this process at any time you want to chat.
Supervisor Desmond?
Thank you, Madam Chair. And I just want to pile on. I'm sure everybody will be piling
on here. I appreciate the chance to visit with you yesterday. And I think for members
of the public watching this, I think this is really an inflection point in how we collectively
address homelessness in the county. And I think all of us up here are committed to continuing
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to have public forums like this where we all gather and give the public a chance to weigh
in on what we're doing and for us to hear their frustrations and for that level of transparency
to guide the policy decisions that we collectively make in addressing this crisis. So thank you.
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Vice Mayor Telemontes.
Thank you, Chair. I do want to note that this is the second time in the history of this
SHRA body where the city and the county meet together on the dais to be able to discuss
SHRA and the future of it. And so for me, I'm just super thankful for our county partners
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on agreeing to meet together collectively today. Having everyone in the same room to
provide direction, to ask hard questions, and to improve coordination is important for
us to be efficient, transparent, and just have better communication so we can better
serve all the Sacramentans with our housing crisis here. So thank you and look forward
to the reports.
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Thank you.
Council Member Garrett.
Thank you again. And, you know, one, I just wanted to thank for the briefing that you
guys were able to provide. One thing I forgot to mention in it, and I'm assuming it is in
the stakeholder identification, but not only in the conversations that you have as individual
rank and file members on the work that they do, but I want to make sure that we're also
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having a conversation with our bargaining units so that they also are communicating
with their employees about, you know, the concerns that they may have and the fears
of where this agency may be going. And so I want to make sure that that's a deliberate
part of the conversation. And excited to be here with my colleagues. Thanks.
Thank you for your input.
Council Member Kaplan.
Hi. Good to see you in person. Welcome to, I guess it'll be interesting, and I look forward
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to the final report with 14 bosses because we're totally going to agree on everything.
But most importantly, I really want to look forward as, you know, what does SHRA look
like as we look for an interim director? How do we have a cohesive approach to what
are their job duties? What are the goals that we as a body want them to accomplish so that
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there's a true transparent and open line of communication? And then I just want to encourage,
and I know you're doing this, but when we talk about listening to the stakeholders,
it's the people who are actually on the ground building the affordable housing, working in
this area. What is their experience? Because they may have experiences in other jurisdictions
and other states that have best practices that we could look at implementing here. But
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appreciate you and look forward to the final report.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Council Member Mabel.
Thank you, Chair. Well, we had a great meeting yesterday. Thank you for taking the time.
And I know we talked in depth, so I won't go into all of that. But I just want to say,
I want to agree with some of my colleagues here that it's time. You know, it's been many
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years. I heard 40 years, but I thought SHRA, was it founded in 1973?
Yes.
80, what? Yes or no?
Chat GBT system.
Chat GBT. No, I'm more inclined to trust Supervisor Kennedy than Chat GBT. Regardless of the timing,
I think it's been plenty of time. And as was mentioned, the R part of SHRA, the redevelopment
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piece is no longer here. And it's probably not something that will ever come back, at
least not in the same form that we once had it. And so it's high time for us to really
take a look at what does this agency look like and what does it do, what should it do
moving forward. And I think that's really important that we do it in partnership with
one another.
I will say publicly that one of the things that I hope comes out of this is, you know,
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I think one of the challenges that I've heard from not just staff at the agency, but even
from sometimes the public and others, is that it's really hard when you have two different
places where key decisions are being made. So for example, getting the same presentations
at both the city council chambers and the County Board of Supervisors chambers, and
then maybe two different performance evaluations for the executive director, maybe, you know,
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all of these things, policies that are coming forward. And not to say that it can't happen
that way, it has happened for many years, but perhaps it would be better if we did things
together that made sense. So I look forward to seeing your recommendations on the governance
piece, how we can work together better and be more efficient with the time and the space
that we have. And also, I think probably most importantly, for the employees to make sure
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that it's really clear for the staff, the executive director, the staff in the agency
that they know exactly what's expected of them. And we are giving one clear message
from all of us about what we'd like to see everything from, you know, how much should
it cost to build a housing project, you know, what that expectation looks like, because
I know there's different opinions on that on this dais, to, you know, what the staffing
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should look like. One of the things that we talked about yesterday was I'm really keen
on customer service. That's something that I take into account in my job all the time.
I view myself in that way for the constituents that I represent, and I think that all of
our agencies and departments should do that. And so finding ways that we can be more efficient
and effective using technology perhaps to be better in our communication with the constituents
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and the folks who use SHRA and are in our housing. And so those are some of the things
that I mentioned that we talked a lot more. I'm really looking forward to seeing what
you come up with. Also, as was mentioned by Lisa Kaplan, from other agencies, there's
a lot to learn. They're all structured in different ways. There's maybe some things
we can take and others that don't make sense, but I think that we have a lot to learn and
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I'm looking forward to the conversation. So thank you.
Council Member Dickinson.
Thank you, Chair. I'm sorry I wasn't able to meet with you this morning. So this is
my first introduction to you and you to me, and I appreciate the presentation. I do agree
with my colleagues with respect to the time for review. I think it is timely. Certainly
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what the agency does has changed most significantly with the demise of redevelopment. But contrary
to some who believe I was around at the time the agency was created, that is not quite
true, but I've been around this environment for a long time. And it seems to me there's
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often in these exercises, these undertakings, a presumption that something is broken. And
I don't think necessarily that's a presumption that applies in this case. Are there changes
that may be beneficial? Are there modifications that may be helpful? Absolutely. And that's
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to me the point of doing these kinds of reviews. But I do hope as one member of this combined
body that you don't go into this work with the assumption that the agency doesn't work.
There may be ways to improve it, certainly. There may be ways to help us be more efficient
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and more effective. But I would suggest to you that this agency and this rather odd structure
has actually worked quite well over the duration of time that the agency has existed. So my
expectation is not that the agency needs to be torn down and rebuilt necessarily, but
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that it is one that can hopefully work better for all of us with some sensible kinds of
improvements and with the recognition that the mission of the agency has changed some
because of what's happened externally in particular. Ultimately we want to focus, in my view, on
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the outcomes that we want to achieve through the agency. And identifying those outcomes
and then measuring how well the agency is meeting those outcomes now and whether there
are changes that can be made that will better help us reach those outcomes. I would tell
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you that's what I'm looking for out of this work. Thanks.
Thank you. Vice Mayor Chalamontes.
Thank you. I just want to touch on what Councilmember Dickinson just said. There's a lot of members
of the Sacramento Housing and Redevelopment Agency here in the audience. And I just want
to thank you for the work that you have done to produce all the reports that have come
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before us now under the direction of Chris Warren. Incredible work that you're doing.
And like Councilmember Dickinson said, there's always areas of improvement in every single
organization, every single department, because we here in local government are tasked with,
like Mayor McCarty says, doing more with less all the time. And so less federal dollars
are coming down for you and the programs that you currently operate, the vouchers that you
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operate, and the need and the demand continues to grow in the Sacramento community. So keep
up the good work, hang in there, and looking forward to working with you and the consultants
and Chris Warren to be able to move Sacramento forward. Thank you.
All right. I will save my comments to the end. Are there any requests to speak?
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Yes, we do have one member of the public signed up to speak.
Still a comment. Would Lambert please approach the lectern?
You have two minutes to address the body.
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Good afternoon, Lambert.
I was invited here by someone because I'm a native. And I think this is a good thing.
If you work in the direction that you should, I think Senator Ashby should get some sort
of kudos, too, because from what I've read, she was trying to do this type of thing and
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there was a lot of pushback, but here you are. This is the powers to be in Sacramento.
And being a native, you should be able to sit down and figure it out. Otherwise, you
should, to me, be replaced, because there's enough power in here to figure this out. It's
only one section of the city, which is SHRA. Now, it covers a lot. I was a big fan of,
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I can't think of her name, Rochelle Lachelle, and also a lady was here before her called
Cassandra Jennings. They were outstanding with SHRA, but like you said, the redevelopment
is gone. And so, you know, I wish you well, because people have been talking about you
should come together. So here you are. Now you're front and center. You're going to be
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under the microscope of scrutiny. And so hopefully you get it done.
Thank you, Lambert. There are no other speakers. Okay. Mayor McCarty.
Well, thank you. What time is it, by the way? 228. This was scheduled for an hour. I don't
know if we could make it happen in an hour. And I guess that's what I wanted to address,
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is that we're all here together, and we wanted to do this, and now what? And so I would venture
to say, like you started out, Supervisor Hume, that this is the beginning, and we're here
at the first meeting, and maybe we're not going to dig into as much today, but I would
very much like, as some of our council members have talked about, and I know our Vice Mayor
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has, and Supervisor, if we could have a structured opportunity for us to engage on SHRA matters.
I'm not sure if it's every item. Certainly some things are certainly specific to our
geographic area, but on big issues like the budget, what's happening with our housing
choice voucher program, reforms at the federal level, what's happening with our public housing
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stock throughout the city and county, because, one, the people who call these numbers, they
don't know the boundaries, and number two, you know, the questions that Supervisor Desmond
may ask, like, oh, we didn't realize that, and we're not always watching your Channel
14 hearings after that, thank God. And so this just allows us to, you know, whether
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it's the Golden One slogan, or the Golden State Warriors slogan, stronger together,
and I think that's what we are when we work on these issues. And I will say, too, that
I think it's time to modernize it. I don't know if we want to throw the baby out with
the bathwater, but a lot has changed. It was created in 73. It was modernized in 80. I
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know Councilmember, former Supervisor Dickinson and I both served on the SHRA Commission when
it was very different, when most of the stuff we talked about was redevelopment, and that's
been gone since 2012, and most of the issues now, 75% of the budget and our team is related
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to public housing and administering housing choice vouchers, so certainly that's the focus,
and having an opportunity to zero in on that and focus on effectiveness. I also think that
we need to focus on, can you bring up that chart again you had, Chris, or somebody? There's
one, two, three, the kind of elements. Are you talking about the strategies? No, there's
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the process. There we go. Area of focus. So governance, we're here, you know, clearly
we're all interested in that. As I said, roughly I think 75% of our people and our
resources we get from the federal government, which I know we're on the chopping block right
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now, hopefully it doesn't happen, are for strategy one, and so that's appropriate to
look at that and how those are working, what we can do to maximize, but two, I don't know
if 2026 going forward, if they're in the right place. I know some of the programs that SHRA
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does, the county does on their own, and does it make sense for the jurisdictions to zero
in on that, or with SHRA, and so as you look at the effectiveness of those programs and
how we're optimizing it, I think that's a key question as well, is what does that look
like going forward, but I guess the big picture is I'm appreciative that we're all here, and
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I know people were nervous, there would be a big food fight here, and obviously we're
very cordial, but I think we're all on the same page, and when people call SHRA to get
help for housing, I don't know, boundaries and so forth, they know that we are elected
to help and try to make things better, so again, this is hopefully the beginning, and
thank you, Chairwoman Rodriguez, and look forward to the next endeavor.
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You know, I agree, I think this is very exciting time for the city and the county because there
is so much that crosses over between our jurisdictions, and to have the opportunity to come together
and problem solve, because ultimately the end user, which are our constituents, are
the ones that are in need, and when we get the phone calls that, you know, I waited an
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hour and a half to get through, I didn't get through, can you try calling, and they call
to us, our ultimate goal is to be able to help an agency that could do some improvements
and also maybe reconsider whether now is the time to even change the name, Sacramento Housing
and Redevelopment Agency, we don't have the redevelopment part anymore, so to me it's
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very exciting to do the collaboration, I also want to thank you and your team for the effort
that you are going to take in this endeavor and working with us to make those improvements,
and that is it.
All right, any other comments?
All right, so there are no other comments, any other comments from the execs?
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All right, then we will call adjourn this meeting at 2.34.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Good job, chair.
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