November 18, 2025 • 24 mins
The TikToker now infamously known as "DoorDash girl" has been ARRESTED after making false accusations. I break down the viral controversy in this episode of the Brad vs Everyone podcast. Plus, the MAGA YouTube star Tim Pool spreads false information on national TV.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is a man's world. I'm the victim. Remember I'm
the victim.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
A DoorDash driver who filmed and posted a naked customer
and claimed sexual assault has been arrested on felony charges.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
The latest villain of TikTok played stupid games and ultimately
one stupid prizes. We're gonna break down the wild wild
update in the now infamous saga of DoorDash girl on
(00:33):
TikTok and so much more in today's episode of The
Brad Versus Everyone podcast, my daily show where we take
on the craziest ideas from across social media and the Internet,
all from an independent political perspective. Guys, you may remember this.
We did talk about it way back when it happened,
I believe last month, But there was this huge saga
(00:56):
on TikTok where a girl became the villain of the
internet essentially, especially it was big on TikTok. She essentially
was a DoorDash driver. She went to deliver a DoorDash
delivery to a man's home, approached the door. She was
just supposed to drop it off and leave, but she
poked her head in saw that he was passed out
nude on the couch intoxicated, and then decided to film him,
(01:22):
post his nude body on the internet, name him, and
I believe also post his address, though I forget if
she did that or not. And then actually she claimed
she was sexually assaulted by the whole ordeal that she
had been say'd and then thus started a multi day
meltdown as she was then terminated from door dash, and
(01:46):
then claimed that she had been punished for reporting her SSA,
which is an interesting interpretation of events. And then of
course she complained that the police were not doing anything.
They were not arresting this man for being naked in
his home and having someone illegally film him. Well, there's
been an update because now DoorDash girl just got arrested
(02:07):
and charged with two felonies. Here is some rewarding from TMZ,
and then we'll discuss because uh I have thought. Let's listen.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
On October twelve, twenty twenty five, the DoorDash customer requested
that their order be left at their front door. When
I arrived at their front door, their front door was
wide open, their lights were on, and they were sleeping
on the couch within the eyesight of the front door
with their pants and underwear pulled down to their ankles
and they were indecently exposed to me.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
A DoorDash driver who filmed and posted a naked customer
and claimed sexual assault has been arrested on felony charges.
Livy Rose Henderson posted the TikTok claiming that she was
sexually assaulted while delivering food. She claims she went to
this customer's house to drop off his order, and upon arriving,
he was nude on the couch, exposing himself in asleep.
(02:54):
She posted the blurred footage on TikTok, but it's since
been taken down. Her story has been challenged by ring
camera footage that shows that the customer did not invite
her into the home, determining that he was not intentionally
exposing himself. Police believe she illegally entered the home and
recorded him. She was arrested on November tenth on two
class E felonies, unlawful surveillance in the second degree and
(03:17):
dissemination of an unlawful surveillance image in the first degree.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
So I will discuss these charges in more depth in
just a second, but first I want to remind you
guys that she is the victim, as she repeatedly insisted.
Take a listen to one of the videos she posted
when this was all going down.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
So not only did I get assaulted three days ago
on October twelfth, on Sunday, I then lost my job.
The police are doing nothing. And if I get one
more account strike on TikTok, my account's done.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
This is a man's world. I'm the victim. Remember, I'm
the victim.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
And they took down my video.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
They were gonna have to pay me for my second
story time because that was over a minute long. We
have to pay me for all those views I got.
So Nope, they took that right down. They took that
right down. Absolutely not, They're not paying me for that.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Nope Ooo. Anyway, guys, some big picture of thoughts here.
It was always ludicrous that she claimed to have been
sexually assaulted simply by seeing something after peeking her head
inside the dude's home. Obviously, you know, nobody should have
to see somebody naked without explicitly consenting to that. But
(04:30):
that's really not comparable to being sexually assaulted and having
your body violated, And that was always kind of a
slap in the face to actual victims. Of essay at most,
and you could say it would potentially be harassment, not essay,
and even then not really because he didn't intentionally do it.
It wasn't done for sexual ratification. He was unconscious. You
(04:53):
poked your head in his house, you could have just
left it on the steps and gone. And then I mean,
the question has also been asked, well, why isn't he
getting charged with a crime. And a TikTok lawyer who
will reference more later, but her name is Stephanie and
she's a public defense attorney in actually the state of
(05:13):
New York, which is where this happened in upstate New York. Well,
she explained that in order to be charged with public
lewdness this case, it wouldn't meant the either the public
aspect or the lewdness aspect, because he was unconscious from
alcohol consumption, there was no intent to expose himself to
anyone for like gratification of any kind, so there's no crime.
(05:37):
And police even said when they investigated, they found that
no sexual assault had taken place and that he couldn't
be charged with any crime because he hadn't committed a crime.
But she obviously had. I mean, she is just dead
to rights. In these charges, you cannot record inside someone's
home without their permission and then claim that you were assaulted.
(06:00):
It doesn't matter. You still can't basically violate someone's privacy,
surveil them inside their home, and then disseminate that to
the masses. She posted unblurred footage of this man naked
to millions of people on the Internet, and she's like
shocked and outraged that she got fired from DoorDash for
(06:21):
doing that, for also for doxing him and posting his
name and maybe his address publicly. Yeah, of course they
were going to fire you. And ultimately it makes sense
to me that they are hitting her with a charge
because when you look up or listen to the description
of unlawful surveillance, it clearly meets that you can't record
inside someone's home when they haven't invited you in, and
(06:43):
if you're entering, your trespassing and then to disseminate footage
that you unlawfully surveiled is a crime, and it's just
pretty obvious that that meets the definition of what happened here. Now,
the one other thing that people are citing in her defense,
we're going to go through. But first, guys, do make
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of those is in the description. So the main defense
that people have offered about this stordash girl and what
(07:26):
she did and how she's a victim or how she's
justified comes down to a dispute over was the door open,
like wide open and she walked up and he was there,
or was it cracked and she pushed it open, or
was it closed and she opened it and stuck her
head inside. The truth is, we don't really know. It's
(07:47):
kind of complicated. But actually, as far as these two
particular charges that she's been hit with, it doesn't matter.
She still committed those crimes in my opinion, And I
guess we'll see she'll probably just puley out and I
don't know that she'll actually end up going to jail.
But still, let's roll this clip from that TikTok lawyer Stephanie,
(08:09):
who is a public defender, a criminal law attorney in
the state of New York, and hear her explain why
it doesn't really make that big difference if the door
was cracked open, pushed open, what have you. But that
is the thing people keep citing in this woman's defense.
Let's listen to Stephanie's analysis.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
It doesn't matter whether the door was open or the
door was not, whether she pushed the door open, or
whether she did not. Okay. What matters is is that
she saw a sleeping, unconscious person on a couch and
her first instinct was, Hey, I hope he's okay. Her
first instinct was not, Oh, my god, I hope he's okay.
(08:49):
Instead it was let me take my phone out record
an unconscious person naked on a couch, record that save it. Think, oh,
this is a really great idea. Let's upload it to
the internet and share it with millions of people across
the world. The door being open or closed or a
jar is irrelevant to this case. What matters is her
(09:13):
actions and what she did to the unsleep, to the
sleeping unconscious person who was naked on the couch, half
naked on the couch. Those actions determine criminal liability. Okay,
was that harassing to the person? Did that annoy or
alarm the person? Yes? Did he consent to have his
(09:33):
bits plastered across the internet? Now he was unconscious? Okay.
Did he agree to allow her to post his bits
on the internet?
Speaker 4 (09:42):
No?
Speaker 7 (09:42):
He did not.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
No, he did not. Okay, he absolutely did not.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
Did he agree to be surveilled while unconscious?
Speaker 7 (09:51):
No he did not.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
That's unlawful surveillance. Okay. Was he in the privacy of
his own home? Yes he was, Yes, he was. Could
you see him directly from the front door based on
the angle that she posted that video? The answer that
is now? The answer that is now. She had to
look in and look this way. Okay. You can even
see her camera going this way to make to see him,
(10:13):
to have to see his little bits bits and box. Okay. So,
in a criminal analysis of the crimes that were committed,
does it matter if the door was open or a jar? No,
it does not.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Yeah. So the TLDR here is that it doesn't really
matter if the door was open or not, because she
still entered it to surveil him, or surveiled it in
a private area. And then disseminated that that's what she's
been charged with. And I do believe that she is
guilty and she is not in fact a victim in
this situation. So to me, there's a couple of big
(10:50):
picture takeaways here. One is that you cannot in fact
believe all women blindly, because women are people, and people
are flawed, and people are sometimes in the wrong, and
so you should always take people's claims or accusations seriously,
but especially in the age of performative victimhood and social
(11:10):
media and clout chasing. I mean, this woman admitted that
she was trying to get her bag from TikTok creator fund,
getting paid for your views or millions of views you
got from all this, You have to be skeptical of people.
You cannot just completely take it face value anybody who
claims they were a victim of some kind of assault.
The world is not that simple, and that was always
(11:32):
a foolish philosophy. And then two, this idea of any
time you have any sort of issue in your life,
the first thing you should do is record it and
post it on the internet is an epidemic, like it's
really actually getting out of control at this point, and
people need to retire that if she had gone about
(11:55):
this totally differently, because I do leave space for the
fact that if you were a young woman to de
livering door dash and you walked up to someone's door
and they were nude, that would be an unpleasant and
jarring experience, and I don't think you should have to experience.
That doesn't mean you were essayed. You were not, and
that is very disrespectful to actual victims of sexual assault.
(12:15):
To compare that, just momentarily seeing non sexual nudity without
wanting to is not the end of the world in
that kind of a way. However, I mean to go
and then immediately film it and post it on TikTok.
If she hadn't done that, she wouldn't have had these charges.
She could have done the same thing, but not the
(12:36):
performative social media aspect of it, and she wouldn't be
facing serious criminal charges in a court in December. She
has her next court date in December. So at some
point people need to realize that you cannot play stupid
games without eventually winning stupid prizes, and that if you
choose to make everything a matter of public controversy and
(12:58):
post it on the Internet. Well, people are going to
have their opinions and perspectives on it, and you're opening
yourself up for serious accountability, criticism and scrutiny. And that
is what DoorDash Girl is getting. She has been publicly humiliated.
I am not happy about that, but I do believe
she wronged this man and she is not the victim
(13:21):
in this situation. I think it's a giant cluster that
really should have never happened at all, but she made
it into a social media spectacle, and as soon as
that happened, it was really never going to end well
for anybody that was involved in the situation. At least
that's my take on it. But I definitely want to
hear from you guys, hear your perspectives. So let me
(13:42):
know in the comments below what you think. Make sure
you subscribe to the like button and all that the
DoorDash Girl. Hopefully this is the final chapter in this saga,
because this is all over TikTok. But I think that
we've discussed it enough after this, at least I have
now up. Next, we are going to check in with
(14:05):
the mega YouTube star or independent content creator, Tim Poole,
who is also now doing political commentary on television, appearing
on Fox News, and unfortunately lying or at least getting
the facts very very wrong about what's happening with our
economy and with our prices, because there's this ongoing dispute
(14:28):
right now because President Trump keeps claiming that grocery prices
have gone down, like decreased since he came back in office,
and that he's saving America from Biden's inflation. And to
be clear, in the rate of prices going up has
fallen off a lot since that peak hunder Joe Biden.
But prices are still going up, just not as fast.
(14:50):
They are not, in fact decreasing based on every objective
data measure. Yet Tim Poole, the fierce independent journalist, is
apparently just parroting whatever Trump says with no regard to
facts or reality, on national television to millions of viewers,
which is just wonderful. We're going to take a look
at this clip and then I will let you what
(15:12):
the facts, let you know what the facts actually say
versus what was broadcast to millions of people. Let's listen.
Speaker 7 (15:18):
But I do think it's a big distraction and Democrats
are getting caught up in something some of suggested Trump
is doing this on purpose. Ropodope tell him to come in.
Oh no, the Epstein things hoax. They tackle this issue,
and then Trump focuses on tariffs, he focuses on immigration.
The American people at the kitchen table aren't talking about Epstein.
(15:38):
They're talking about grocery prices, and as you already pointed out,
they're down. I mean they're still high, but they're coming down.
And I think this is going to win a midterm election.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yeah, and he's.
Speaker 7 (15:48):
Now real focused on it, especially after the last selections
in these blue states. Kind of a wake up call,
and that's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
So I'm the first point that Tim makes. I don't
really agree with this idea that, oh, the American people
don't care about the Absteine situation. I agree, they probably
care more about the basic facts of life, like inflation
and the economy and crime and these issues. But people
actually do have a lot of interest in the Abstein scandal,
and they do care a lot, particularly about kids or
(16:16):
minors being harmed. So I don't buy this idea that
no one cares about this, this is just a distraction,
just a hoax. I actually think it is important and
significant now, but on the main point, when Tempoole here
says that grocery prices have fallen under Trump, he's objectively wrong.
He's either lying or totally misinformed. And yet he broadcasts
(16:36):
that to millions of people on Fox News on the
number one cable news during one of their primetime shows,
without the host correcting him or pushing back, which is
of course what a responsible host would have done in
that situation. You don't have to take my word for
any of this. Just look at the data that comes
out from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, which is currently
(16:57):
being run by Trump's people as part of his his
actual administration. And this fact check. This is from CNN,
but they directly linked to all the BLS data. I
went through and verified it. This is not a biased
hit job. They're just stating the facts about what the
government's own data say about grocery prices. Fact check. Grocery
prices are up, not down. Grocery prices have increased during
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Trump's second term. Average US grocery prices in September were
one point four percent higher than they were in January,
the month he returned to office, and two point seven
percent higher than they were in September twenty twenty four
under former President Joe Biden. So it's just an objective fact.
Grocery prices have gone up. And I think that whether
it's Trump himself or it's kind of his apologists and
(17:43):
supporters like Tim Poole, they actually even do themselves and
their own cause of disservice when they falsely claim when
they just aren't honest about the fact that things are
still getting more expensive, not as bad as it was
right when it was spiraling out of control a few
years ago, are still going up and up and up.
When you tell people, no, it's fine, prices are coming down,
(18:04):
and they don't see that at the grocery store. That's
actually very similar to what the Biden administration did, where
they denied that. They said the economy was amazing, Biden's
booming economy, and people were around them were like, no,
it isn't well. I think that kind of denial as
a strategy or just gas lighting. And you see this
with some of the White House social media posts where
they're just making statements that are objectively not true. It is.
(18:27):
It's not gonna work, it's not going to resonate with people.
You cannot convince people that what they see at the
store and what the data all show isn't real, because no,
we promise they're coming down and it's getting better. And
one thing is it's sometimes they say, oh, well, it's
just beef for just a couple of things that are
more expensive and overall, and that's actually not true. So
(18:48):
this fact check continues. It's not just beef, not even close.
The prices of dozens of grocery products increased from January
to September. A smattering of products got cheaper, notably including eggs,
but a far great number of products got more expensive.
Prices increased from January to September. In five of these
six overarching groups of grocery prices tracked by the federal
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government's Consumer Price Index meets Poultry, fish, and eggs are
up four point five percent. Non Alcoholic beverages and beverage
materials are up two point eight percent. Cereal and bakery
products are up one point four percent. Fruits and vegetables
up one point three percent. Another food at home is
up zero point eight percent. Only the dairy and and
(19:29):
related products group was down, declining zero point two percent.
So again you could look at this data and say, well,
prices are still going up a little bit, but we're
working on it and it's not going up as much
as it once was. And that would be true, and
that would be honest. But when, whether it's Trump or
it's Timpool, just saying no prices are down when that's
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literally untrue, is both the betrayal of your audience and
your responsibility to be honest with the public. And it's
also just not going to work. People can see around
them that things are not suddenly way more affordable than
they were before January or just a year or two ago.
People are still struggling and denying. That isn't cool and
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isn't going to work. At least that's what I think.
And I don't know, man, these independent, nonpartisan commentators who
rose to prominence kind of billing themselves like that, a
lot of them have started to, it seems, just do
pr for Trump, and that is not what I think
the role is of an independent commentator or pundit. I
(20:36):
also want to talk about something else that Tempoole said
on Fox where he talked about Trump's tariffs restoring manufacturing,
and I don't quite agree with his analysis. So let's
take a look at what he said.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
This is.
Speaker 7 (20:49):
It's sad for me because in twenty twenty I actually
was a very big supporter of the Democratic Party. I
donated the maximum to Tulci Gabbard. She's now a Republican
alongside Trump. I hear Trump talking about tariffs. I understand this.
I am a business owner. I'm a skateboard company. We
make all of our products in America, and I know
what it means for an industry to outsource those jobs.
(21:10):
And I agree with these tariffs because it's been a
godsend for the manufacturing in this country, real Americans to
get work to benefit our culture.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
So Tempole apparently thinks that Trump's tariffs have been a
godsend for US manufacturers, and I don't think that's true.
I don't think that's accurate. Obviously, some people benefit from tariffs,
certain goods or industries are protected, but manufacturers also rely
a lot on imports and many of them have been harmed.
(21:39):
And I keep hearing about this renaissance in American manufacturing,
but I keep waiting on it to actually materialize. Here's
reporting from Reuters. In September, US manufacturing contracts for six
straight month amid tariff drag. So yeah, guys, Actually, when
you look at the job numbers of people employed in
(22:01):
manufacturing today is lower than it was when Trump took office.
So this renaissance, this boom, is it in the room
with us. And ironically enough, even when you survey American manufacturers, many,
actually some of the trade groups have put out statements
saying like these tariffs are hurting us, the trade groups
that represent the manufacturers. But then when they were surveyed
(22:21):
and the Reuter's article here reports on this, they actually
cite the tariffs as hurting them in many ways more
so than helping them. Reading again from Reuters here, manufacturers
of computer and electronic products said, quote, tariffs continue to
wreak havoc on planning and scheduling activities, adding that quote
plans to bring production back into the US are impacted
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by higher material costs, making it difficult to justify the return. Food, beverage,
and tobacco products manufacturers warned that everything made of organic
sugar was about to get significantly more expensive because of
a fifty percent tariff on imports from Brazil and the
US Department of Agriculture elimination of the specialty sugar quota. Nonetheless,
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and this is where you get to their survey that
they did ism Manufacturing Business Survey Committee Chair. Survey Committee
chair Susan Spence said that for every positive comment about
new orders, there were two and a half comments expressing
concern about near term demand, primarily driven by tariff costs
and uncertainty. So actually, when you actually ask American manufacturers
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if these tariffs are helping more than they're hurting, more
of them say they're causing disruption and pain to their
business than actually helping. And that's similar to how we
saw Trump's tariffs play out in his first term when
they were more limited, they still while they helped some
certain industries, overall did more harm than good to American manufacturing.
(23:49):
And I think the same phenomenon is going to play
out here this time, although once again I do hope
I'm wrong, but I just think that Timpoole, his analysis
on this subjects is shoddy, and that especially when you're
talking about the prime media's positions and slots to bring
(24:09):
insight to millions of people who tune into this prime
time cable news, the standard of information and fact checking
and analysis should probably be a little bit higher, call
me crazy. That's my take and I'm sticking to it.
But you guys will have to let me know what
you think in the comments below. Make sure subscribed if
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(24:31):
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This is a man's world. I'm the victim. Remember I'm
the victim.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
A DoorDash driver who filmed and posted a naked customer
and claimed sexual assault has been arrested on felony charges.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
The latest villain of TikTok played stupid games and ultimately
one stupid prizes. We're gonna break down the wild wild
update in the now infamous saga of DoorDash girl on
(00:33):
TikTok and so much more in today's episode of The
Brad Versus Everyone podcast, my daily show where we take
on the craziest ideas from across social media and the Internet,
all from an independent political perspective. Guys, you may remember this.
We did talk about it way back when it happened,
I believe last month, But there was this huge saga
(00:56):
on TikTok where a girl became the villain of the
internet essentially, especially it was big on TikTok. She essentially
was a DoorDash driver. She went to deliver a DoorDash
delivery to a man's home, approached the door. She was
just supposed to drop it off and leave, but she
poked her head in saw that he was passed out
nude on the couch intoxicated, and then decided to film him,
(01:22):
post his nude body on the internet, name him, and
I believe also post his address, though I forget if
she did that or not. And then actually she claimed
she was sexually assaulted by the whole ordeal that she
had been say'd and then thus started a multi day
meltdown as she was then terminated from door dash, and
(01:46):
then claimed that she had been punished for reporting her SSA,
which is an interesting interpretation of events. And then of
course she complained that the police were not doing anything.
They were not arresting this man for being naked in
his home and having someone illegally film him. Well, there's
been an update because now DoorDash girl just got arrested
(02:07):
and charged with two felonies. Here is some rewarding from TMZ,
and then we'll discuss because uh I have thought. Let's listen.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
On October twelve, twenty twenty five, the DoorDash customer requested
that their order be left at their front door. When
I arrived at their front door, their front door was
wide open, their lights were on, and they were sleeping
on the couch within the eyesight of the front door
with their pants and underwear pulled down to their ankles
and they were indecently exposed to me.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
A DoorDash driver who filmed and posted a naked customer
and claimed sexual assault has been arrested on felony charges.
Livy Rose Henderson posted the TikTok claiming that she was
sexually assaulted while delivering food. She claims she went to
this customer's house to drop off his order, and upon arriving,
he was nude on the couch, exposing himself in asleep.
(02:54):
She posted the blurred footage on TikTok, but it's since
been taken down. Her story has been challenged by ring
camera footage that shows that the customer did not invite
her into the home, determining that he was not intentionally
exposing himself. Police believe she illegally entered the home and
recorded him. She was arrested on November tenth on two
class E felonies, unlawful surveillance in the second degree and
(03:17):
dissemination of an unlawful surveillance image in the first degree.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
So I will discuss these charges in more depth in
just a second, but first I want to remind you
guys that she is the victim, as she repeatedly insisted.
Take a listen to one of the videos she posted
when this was all going down.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
So not only did I get assaulted three days ago
on October twelfth, on Sunday, I then lost my job.
The police are doing nothing. And if I get one
more account strike on TikTok, my account's done.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
This is a man's world. I'm the victim. Remember, I'm
the victim.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
And they took down my video.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
They were gonna have to pay me for my second
story time because that was over a minute long. We
have to pay me for all those views I got.
So Nope, they took that right down. They took that
right down. Absolutely not, They're not paying me for that.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Nope Ooo. Anyway, guys, some big picture of thoughts here.
It was always ludicrous that she claimed to have been
sexually assaulted simply by seeing something after peeking her head
inside the dude's home. Obviously, you know, nobody should have
to see somebody naked without explicitly consenting to that. But
(04:30):
that's really not comparable to being sexually assaulted and having
your body violated, And that was always kind of a
slap in the face to actual victims. Of essay at most,
and you could say it would potentially be harassment, not essay,
and even then not really because he didn't intentionally do it.
It wasn't done for sexual ratification. He was unconscious. You
(04:53):
poked your head in his house, you could have just
left it on the steps and gone. And then I mean,
the question has also been asked, well, why isn't he
getting charged with a crime. And a TikTok lawyer who
will reference more later, but her name is Stephanie and
she's a public defense attorney in actually the state of
(05:13):
New York, which is where this happened in upstate New York. Well,
she explained that in order to be charged with public
lewdness this case, it wouldn't meant the either the public
aspect or the lewdness aspect, because he was unconscious from
alcohol consumption, there was no intent to expose himself to
anyone for like gratification of any kind, so there's no crime.
(05:37):
And police even said when they investigated, they found that
no sexual assault had taken place and that he couldn't
be charged with any crime because he hadn't committed a crime.
But she obviously had. I mean, she is just dead
to rights. In these charges, you cannot record inside someone's
home without their permission and then claim that you were assaulted.
(06:00):
It doesn't matter. You still can't basically violate someone's privacy,
surveil them inside their home, and then disseminate that to
the masses. She posted unblurred footage of this man naked
to millions of people on the Internet, and she's like
shocked and outraged that she got fired from DoorDash for
(06:21):
doing that, for also for doxing him and posting his
name and maybe his address publicly. Yeah, of course they
were going to fire you. And ultimately it makes sense
to me that they are hitting her with a charge
because when you look up or listen to the description
of unlawful surveillance, it clearly meets that you can't record
inside someone's home when they haven't invited you in, and
(06:43):
if you're entering, your trespassing and then to disseminate footage
that you unlawfully surveiled is a crime, and it's just
pretty obvious that that meets the definition of what happened here. Now,
the one other thing that people are citing in her defense,
we're going to go through. But first, guys, do make
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of those is in the description. So the main defense
that people have offered about this stordash girl and what
(07:26):
she did and how she's a victim or how she's
justified comes down to a dispute over was the door open,
like wide open and she walked up and he was there,
or was it cracked and she pushed it open, or
was it closed and she opened it and stuck her
head inside. The truth is, we don't really know. It's
(07:47):
kind of complicated. But actually, as far as these two
particular charges that she's been hit with, it doesn't matter.
She still committed those crimes in my opinion, And I
guess we'll see she'll probably just puley out and I
don't know that she'll actually end up going to jail.
But still, let's roll this clip from that TikTok lawyer Stephanie,
(08:09):
who is a public defender, a criminal law attorney in
the state of New York, and hear her explain why
it doesn't really make that big difference if the door
was cracked open, pushed open, what have you. But that
is the thing people keep citing in this woman's defense.
Let's listen to Stephanie's analysis.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
It doesn't matter whether the door was open or the
door was not, whether she pushed the door open, or
whether she did not. Okay. What matters is is that
she saw a sleeping, unconscious person on a couch and
her first instinct was, Hey, I hope he's okay. Her
first instinct was not, Oh, my god, I hope he's okay.
(08:49):
Instead it was let me take my phone out record
an unconscious person naked on a couch, record that save it. Think, oh,
this is a really great idea. Let's upload it to
the internet and share it with millions of people across
the world. The door being open or closed or a
jar is irrelevant to this case. What matters is her
(09:13):
actions and what she did to the unsleep, to the
sleeping unconscious person who was naked on the couch, half
naked on the couch. Those actions determine criminal liability. Okay,
was that harassing to the person? Did that annoy or
alarm the person? Yes? Did he consent to have his
(09:33):
bits plastered across the internet? Now he was unconscious? Okay.
Did he agree to allow her to post his bits
on the internet?
Speaker 4 (09:42):
No?
Speaker 7 (09:42):
He did not.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
No, he did not. Okay, he absolutely did not.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
Did he agree to be surveilled while unconscious?
Speaker 7 (09:51):
No he did not.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
That's unlawful surveillance. Okay. Was he in the privacy of
his own home? Yes he was, Yes, he was. Could
you see him directly from the front door based on
the angle that she posted that video? The answer that
is now? The answer that is now. She had to
look in and look this way. Okay. You can even
see her camera going this way to make to see him,
(10:13):
to have to see his little bits bits and box. Okay. So,
in a criminal analysis of the crimes that were committed,
does it matter if the door was open or a jar? No,
it does not.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Yeah. So the TLDR here is that it doesn't really
matter if the door was open or not, because she
still entered it to surveil him, or surveiled it in
a private area. And then disseminated that that's what she's
been charged with. And I do believe that she is
guilty and she is not in fact a victim in
this situation. So to me, there's a couple of big
(10:50):
picture takeaways here. One is that you cannot in fact
believe all women blindly, because women are people, and people
are flawed, and people are sometimes in the wrong, and
so you should always take people's claims or accusations seriously,
but especially in the age of performative victimhood and social
(11:10):
media and clout chasing. I mean, this woman admitted that
she was trying to get her bag from TikTok creator fund,
getting paid for your views or millions of views you
got from all this, You have to be skeptical of people.
You cannot just completely take it face value anybody who
claims they were a victim of some kind of assault.
The world is not that simple, and that was always
(11:32):
a foolish philosophy. And then two, this idea of any
time you have any sort of issue in your life,
the first thing you should do is record it and
post it on the internet is an epidemic, like it's
really actually getting out of control at this point, and
people need to retire that if she had gone about
(11:55):
this totally differently, because I do leave space for the
fact that if you were a young woman to de
livering door dash and you walked up to someone's door
and they were nude, that would be an unpleasant and
jarring experience, and I don't think you should have to experience.
That doesn't mean you were essayed. You were not, and
that is very disrespectful to actual victims of sexual assault.
(12:15):
To compare that, just momentarily seeing non sexual nudity without
wanting to is not the end of the world in
that kind of a way. However, I mean to go
and then immediately film it and post it on TikTok.
If she hadn't done that, she wouldn't have had these charges.
She could have done the same thing, but not the
(12:36):
performative social media aspect of it, and she wouldn't be
facing serious criminal charges in a court in December. She
has her next court date in December. So at some
point people need to realize that you cannot play stupid
games without eventually winning stupid prizes, and that if you
choose to make everything a matter of public controversy and
(12:58):
post it on the Internet. Well, people are going to
have their opinions and perspectives on it, and you're opening
yourself up for serious accountability, criticism and scrutiny. And that
is what DoorDash Girl is getting. She has been publicly humiliated.
I am not happy about that, but I do believe
she wronged this man and she is not the victim
(13:21):
in this situation. I think it's a giant cluster that
really should have never happened at all, but she made
it into a social media spectacle, and as soon as
that happened, it was really never going to end well
for anybody that was involved in the situation. At least
that's my take on it. But I definitely want to
hear from you guys, hear your perspectives. So let me
(13:42):
know in the comments below what you think. Make sure
you subscribe to the like button and all that the
DoorDash Girl. Hopefully this is the final chapter in this saga,
because this is all over TikTok. But I think that
we've discussed it enough after this, at least I have
now up. Next, we are going to check in with
(14:05):
the mega YouTube star or independent content creator, Tim Poole,
who is also now doing political commentary on television, appearing
on Fox News, and unfortunately lying or at least getting
the facts very very wrong about what's happening with our
economy and with our prices, because there's this ongoing dispute
(14:28):
right now because President Trump keeps claiming that grocery prices
have gone down, like decreased since he came back in office,
and that he's saving America from Biden's inflation. And to
be clear, in the rate of prices going up has
fallen off a lot since that peak hunder Joe Biden.
But prices are still going up, just not as fast.
(14:50):
They are not, in fact decreasing based on every objective
data measure. Yet Tim Poole, the fierce independent journalist, is
apparently just parroting whatever Trump says with no regard to
facts or reality, on national television to millions of viewers,
which is just wonderful. We're going to take a look
at this clip and then I will let you what
(15:12):
the facts, let you know what the facts actually say
versus what was broadcast to millions of people. Let's listen.
Speaker 7 (15:18):
But I do think it's a big distraction and Democrats
are getting caught up in something some of suggested Trump
is doing this on purpose. Ropodope tell him to come in.
Oh no, the Epstein things hoax. They tackle this issue,
and then Trump focuses on tariffs, he focuses on immigration.
The American people at the kitchen table aren't talking about Epstein.
(15:38):
They're talking about grocery prices, and as you already pointed out,
they're down. I mean they're still high, but they're coming down.
And I think this is going to win a midterm election.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yeah, and he's.
Speaker 7 (15:48):
Now real focused on it, especially after the last selections
in these blue states. Kind of a wake up call,
and that's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
So I'm the first point that Tim makes. I don't
really agree with this idea that, oh, the American people
don't care about the Absteine situation. I agree, they probably
care more about the basic facts of life, like inflation
and the economy and crime and these issues. But people
actually do have a lot of interest in the Abstein scandal,
and they do care a lot, particularly about kids or
(16:16):
minors being harmed. So I don't buy this idea that
no one cares about this, this is just a distraction,
just a hoax. I actually think it is important and
significant now, but on the main point, when Tempoole here
says that grocery prices have fallen under Trump, he's objectively wrong.
He's either lying or totally misinformed. And yet he broadcasts
(16:36):
that to millions of people on Fox News on the
number one cable news during one of their primetime shows,
without the host correcting him or pushing back, which is
of course what a responsible host would have done in
that situation. You don't have to take my word for
any of this. Just look at the data that comes
out from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, which is currently
(16:57):
being run by Trump's people as part of his his
actual administration. And this fact check. This is from CNN,
but they directly linked to all the BLS data. I
went through and verified it. This is not a biased
hit job. They're just stating the facts about what the
government's own data say about grocery prices. Fact check. Grocery
prices are up, not down. Grocery prices have increased during
(17:20):
Trump's second term. Average US grocery prices in September were
one point four percent higher than they were in January,
the month he returned to office, and two point seven
percent higher than they were in September twenty twenty four
under former President Joe Biden. So it's just an objective fact.
Grocery prices have gone up. And I think that whether
it's Trump himself or it's kind of his apologists and
(17:43):
supporters like Tim Poole, they actually even do themselves and
their own cause of disservice when they falsely claim when
they just aren't honest about the fact that things are
still getting more expensive, not as bad as it was
right when it was spiraling out of control a few
years ago, are still going up and up and up.
When you tell people, no, it's fine, prices are coming down,
(18:04):
and they don't see that at the grocery store. That's
actually very similar to what the Biden administration did, where
they denied that. They said the economy was amazing, Biden's
booming economy, and people were around them were like, no,
it isn't well. I think that kind of denial as
a strategy or just gas lighting. And you see this
with some of the White House social media posts where
they're just making statements that are objectively not true. It is.
(18:27):
It's not gonna work, it's not going to resonate with people.
You cannot convince people that what they see at the
store and what the data all show isn't real, because no,
we promise they're coming down and it's getting better. And
one thing is it's sometimes they say, oh, well, it's
just beef for just a couple of things that are
more expensive and overall, and that's actually not true. So
(18:48):
this fact check continues. It's not just beef, not even close.
The prices of dozens of grocery products increased from January
to September. A smattering of products got cheaper, notably including eggs,
but a far great number of products got more expensive.
Prices increased from January to September. In five of these
six overarching groups of grocery prices tracked by the federal
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government's Consumer Price Index meets Poultry, fish, and eggs are
up four point five percent. Non Alcoholic beverages and beverage
materials are up two point eight percent. Cereal and bakery
products are up one point four percent. Fruits and vegetables
up one point three percent. Another food at home is
up zero point eight percent. Only the dairy and and
(19:29):
related products group was down, declining zero point two percent.
So again you could look at this data and say, well,
prices are still going up a little bit, but we're
working on it and it's not going up as much
as it once was. And that would be true, and
that would be honest. But when, whether it's Trump or
it's Timpool, just saying no prices are down when that's
(19:51):
literally untrue, is both the betrayal of your audience and
your responsibility to be honest with the public. And it's
also just not going to work. People can see around
them that things are not suddenly way more affordable than
they were before January or just a year or two ago.
People are still struggling and denying. That isn't cool and
(20:14):
isn't going to work. At least that's what I think.
And I don't know, man, these independent, nonpartisan commentators who
rose to prominence kind of billing themselves like that, a
lot of them have started to, it seems, just do
pr for Trump, and that is not what I think
the role is of an independent commentator or pundit. I
(20:36):
also want to talk about something else that Tempoole said
on Fox where he talked about Trump's tariffs restoring manufacturing,
and I don't quite agree with his analysis. So let's
take a look at what he said.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
This is.
Speaker 7 (20:49):
It's sad for me because in twenty twenty I actually
was a very big supporter of the Democratic Party. I
donated the maximum to Tulci Gabbard. She's now a Republican
alongside Trump. I hear Trump talking about tariffs. I understand this.
I am a business owner. I'm a skateboard company. We
make all of our products in America, and I know
what it means for an industry to outsource those jobs.
(21:10):
And I agree with these tariffs because it's been a
godsend for the manufacturing in this country, real Americans to
get work to benefit our culture.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
So Tempole apparently thinks that Trump's tariffs have been a
godsend for US manufacturers, and I don't think that's true.
I don't think that's accurate. Obviously, some people benefit from tariffs,
certain goods or industries are protected, but manufacturers also rely
a lot on imports and many of them have been harmed.
(21:39):
And I keep hearing about this renaissance in American manufacturing,
but I keep waiting on it to actually materialize. Here's
reporting from Reuters. In September, US manufacturing contracts for six
straight month amid tariff drag. So yeah, guys, Actually, when
you look at the job numbers of people employed in
(22:01):
manufacturing today is lower than it was when Trump took office.
So this renaissance, this boom, is it in the room
with us. And ironically enough, even when you survey American manufacturers, many,
actually some of the trade groups have put out statements
saying like these tariffs are hurting us, the trade groups
that represent the manufacturers. But then when they were surveyed
(22:21):
and the Reuter's article here reports on this, they actually
cite the tariffs as hurting them in many ways more
so than helping them. Reading again from Reuters here, manufacturers
of computer and electronic products said, quote, tariffs continue to
wreak havoc on planning and scheduling activities, adding that quote
plans to bring production back into the US are impacted
(22:43):
by higher material costs, making it difficult to justify the return. Food, beverage,
and tobacco products manufacturers warned that everything made of organic
sugar was about to get significantly more expensive because of
a fifty percent tariff on imports from Brazil and the
US Department of Agriculture elimination of the specialty sugar quota. Nonetheless,
(23:03):
and this is where you get to their survey that
they did ism Manufacturing Business Survey Committee Chair. Survey Committee
chair Susan Spence said that for every positive comment about
new orders, there were two and a half comments expressing
concern about near term demand, primarily driven by tariff costs
and uncertainty. So actually, when you actually ask American manufacturers
(23:29):
if these tariffs are helping more than they're hurting, more
of them say they're causing disruption and pain to their
business than actually helping. And that's similar to how we
saw Trump's tariffs play out in his first term when
they were more limited, they still while they helped some
certain industries, overall did more harm than good to American manufacturing.
(23:49):
And I think the same phenomenon is going to play
out here this time, although once again I do hope
I'm wrong, but I just think that Timpoole, his analysis
on this subjects is shoddy, and that especially when you're
talking about the prime media's positions and slots to bring
(24:09):
insight to millions of people who tune into this prime
time cable news, the standard of information and fact checking
and analysis should probably be a little bit higher, call
me crazy. That's my take and I'm sticking to it.
But you guys will have to let me know what
you think in the comments below. Make sure subscribed if
you aren't yet, hit the like button and all of that.
(24:31):
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