November 12, 2025 • 26 mins
Fitness influencer Joey Swoll is under fire from woke social media critics for defending women from trans activist insanity. Plus, alt-right superstar Nick Fuentes is rejecting pleas to moderate and act semi-normal from media allies like Dave Smith. I break it down in this episode of the Brad vs Everyone podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I don't know if Joey is just dumb and doesn't
realize the impact of his actions in a society that
keeps looking for an excuse to vilify trans folks and
make it harder for them to live, or if he
genuinely harbors these transphobic ideals.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
A fitness influencer is under fire for simply rejecting insane transactivism.
We're going to break this down, plus so much more
on today's episode of The Brad Versus Everyone Podcasts, my
(00:32):
daily show where we take on the craziest ideas from
across social media and the Internet, all from an independent
political perspective. Guys, it's my birthday today. We're twenty eight
years old. Feeling a little elderly. Chatted about it in
a video I put up earlier on the YouTube channel.
But anyway, still going to do a show. Might be
(00:54):
a little lighter than usual because I have some fun
plans for this evening, so I actually don't know what
they are, but my boyfriend prepared some surprises for me,
so we'll have to go see. But anyway, I did
want to talk about this Joey Swoll story. This is
the fitness influencer Joey Swoll who does Jim and fitness
related content, so he'll do a lot of policing people
(01:17):
like calling out that Jim etiquette, shaming people who record
others in Jim locker rooms, and that kind of thing.
And he is generally not super political and generally pretty
positive guy. I think he's a positive voice on the
Internet and I like him a lot. But he did
weigh in on a controversy we've already discussed, which involved
(01:41):
a woman who got very disturbed at a Gold's gym
in California when a very obviously biological male person was
observing her in the locker room. They had an altercation.
This person freaked out, it went viral and then disturbing
details about the transom, who I think is in my
(02:01):
opinion likely a fetishist and actually has convicted charges for
domestic abuse and other crimes, was allowed to be though
under California law in the women's locker room at Gold's gym. Anyway,
this woman, Tish, is very bothered by this, very upset
by it for understandable reasons. It sparked this whole discourse,
(02:23):
and just in case you forgot what happened, I will
roll a TMZ video breaking it all.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Down, Oh man with big and a woman's locker role,
and that's why I'm getting kicked out.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
I'm just wondering if you see her perspective, she's saying
that she's looking at you, say, in a towel, and
you still have and you know you may be transitioning,
But could you understand her being uncomfortable?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Well, I certainly do not understand it, but I do
get the notion of the fear mongering that she's perpetuating. Now, guys,
let's get into the backlash. Because Joey swol he does
typically discuss this kind of thing, like whenever there's a
viral incident with a Jim locker room or anything like that,
(03:17):
a dispute inside a fitness center. That type of stuff
is his bread and butter content wise, So it wasn't
surprising to me that he weighed in here, but he
did so in a way that ruffled the feathers of
the wok side of the Internet, putting out statements to
the effect of women have a right to feel safe
without men in their locker rooms. Of course, invalidating the
(03:39):
identity of this literal domestic abuse horrific person who just
claims they're a woman and has been on hormones for
a few months, which I, of course think is completely valid.
I think that person's identity is not in fact valid,
and they should not be allowed in women's rooms. But unsurprisingly,
(04:01):
the woke side of the internet was not pleased with him.
I'm going to show you a really, really unhinged hate
video that one Instagram influencer made about Joey over this
whole thing. Brace yourself for that hate video. Let's take
a look.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Joey Swall is currently coming at me on Twitter. Overtrans writes, yes,
this Joey Swall. See the person that he's calling an
incredible woman and human being? Here is this person and
this is.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Oh my gosh the person. Uh tag JK Rolling? Okay
the horror? Yeah, so what. Tish Hyman, the woman who
complained about the Golds gym situation, posted tweets, including some
calling for JK Rolling, and some of the tweets might
are I mean, are we supposed to believe Joey Swall
co signs this woman everything? This woman's tweeting just because
(04:50):
he supports her side of a dispute That doesn't follow
Babe cancel culture. Logic is not actually logic at all.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
And this is the behavior he's defending as not transphobic.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Men, Well, man, we're big and a woman's.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Not blow And he says he is finding that woman
a new gym and paying for her membership, because.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Okay, yeah, is that transphobic to be upset that a
biological male is displaying I think through a towel, but
still their male anatomy in the women's locker room and
making women uncomfortable, especially when you later find out that
person has a criminal history. Yeah, don't. I don't think
that's hateful in any sense of the word.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Because the internet is where new onance goes to die.
I want to be clear about something. A lot of
the worst people on the internet dug into the transwoman
who kind of kicked all this off because she was
in a change room.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Oh my god, how are you? How are you using?
She her pronouns for this person who was convicted of
domestic violence against his wife and then adopted her name. Yeah,
it's Alexis Black. Is this dude's name? And he literally
abused his wife, was pled guilty to charge us about it,
(06:03):
and then took on her name. Like some sort of
sick identity theft and you're still respecting his pronouns.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
No, ma'am what.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
And they are claiming that she has a horrific history
of domestic violence that Joey isn't.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
It's not claiming when they pled guilty to it.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Pulling for stronger domestic violence laws. He's saying things like
women have the right to feel safe in jim locker
rooms without men period some and.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
Yes, what.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Someone wants to hurt women, They're not going to bother
identifying as a transperson and going through the whole experience
of transition just to do that.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
They Okay, I mean that may be true, but the
law in California doesn't require any experience as a transperson.
It's not as if you have to have a diagnosis
and you have to take hormones for two years and
then you can go into the women's locker and no,
it just literally says anyone who feels like a woman
or even feels non binary can walk in at any
time to any women's only space in places bound by
(07:09):
anti discrimination law in California. That's insane. And you're not
going to gaslight us into thinking that because we're against that,
we're hateful bigots. No, nobody's buying that. Do that.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
They are also saying that this transperson in question may
have said some really inappropriate stuff in the locker room.
But even if we take this woman's characterization at face
value and the person really did say some awful stuff,
the solution Joey's friend is calling for isn't to have
stronger domestic violence laws, isn't to have stronger anti harassment laws.
They're calling for stricter rules about trans folks in change rooms,
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and that.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yes, because in California, stricter rules are very clearly needed
because right now they have just an open door self
id policy and women are being harmed by it. You
would think, as like a woke progressive feminist whatever, you
would agree with that not attack creators who are actually
taking a stand for that and rooms.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
And that is the rhetoric that Joey School keeps supporting.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Oh no, I like, I just think we exist in
different realities with some of these people. We can't be
on the same planet.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
And now his followers are sending me messages like this,
see all.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Right, well those are hateful messages and I don't support it.
It says like f the t slur and other things.
But you can't. I'm sorry you cannot have a viral
exchange on Twitter. A couple people send you nasty messages.
In this case, I think it's literally two, and then
you use that to draw a conclusion about that person
(08:45):
or their character. When they have millions of followers, there
are always going to be some crazy people. When you
put Joey on blast, I'm sure some of your followers
send him unhinged dms. It's not an argument, and it's
just the nature of the beasts and social media. You
can't do this by association when somebody has millions of
followers is not going to actually make any sense.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
CEO Positivity, Huh. Just because someone tells you they're the
CEO of positivity doesn't mean that the stuff they're pushing
for isn't going to hurt the most vulnerable members of
our society.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
You mean like women, and funny enough, in this case
black lesbian women. But you don't actually who were harmed here,
and you pretend that that's what you're concerned about. I
don't know. This feels it really does feel gaslightly to me.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Our society. I don't know if Joey is just dumb
and doesn't realize the impact of his actions in a
society that keeps looking for an excuse to vilify trans
folks and make it harder for them to live, or.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
You know what would help, Actually, if supporters of trans
rights in the trans community would condemn the bad actors
instead of defending them, that would help. But instead you're
defending the indefensible and claiming it's all trans rap and
smearing people who have genuine concerns and criticisms as bigots
(10:05):
when they're not. Yeah, you're hurting the cause.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Wow, Or if he genuinely harbors these transphobic ideals. But
I do know that once he saw stuff like this,
he probably should have failed, unless, of course, he agrees
with it, which I think I'm pretty accurately locked.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Anyway, Huh, let's read this tweet that she put up
that's so bad that Joey posted. Not wanting a man
in the women's locker room so that women feel safe
is not transphobic. My defending a woman that was verbally
assaulted by a man convicted of domestic violence breaking his
ex wife jaw is not transphobic. If it was you
or your daughter, you would feel the same. Enough is
(10:43):
enough that, and she's claiming that's why he's a bigot.
What is the big tree in the room with us?
I see nothing but facts and common sense.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Anyway, I need to go shower from my workout at
my wonderful inclusive jin ooh boy.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
She seems absolutely lovely and totally stable and normal. Now
it's not just this one person. There's been a little
bit of an internet pylon against Joey Swoll for taking
this stand, and we're going to hear his side of
this story and how people are even targeting his business.
First though, do make sure you subscribe to hit the
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let's hear from Joey talking about the backlash he's getting
for what, in my book at least, is an extremely
(11:42):
common sense take. Let's listen to him tell his side
of the story.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I know if Joey is just dumb and doesn't realize
the impact of his actions in a society that keeps
looking for an excuse to vilify trans folks and make
it harder for them to live, or if he genuinely
harbors these transphobic ideals.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
Over the last few days, I'm sure many of you
have seen people like this woman attacking me, calling me
horrible things like transphobic. Why because I defended a woman
that was being verbally assaulted by a man in the
women's locker room, a man that is a convicted felon
for domestic violence. Then they went after my small business taste,
(12:21):
leaving comments and bad reviews, calling it transphobic, trash, and
even attacking my customers, calling them white supremacists, which makes
no sense considering I was defending a black woman. Then
they demanded that I do better and apologize.
Speaker 8 (12:37):
So I put this post up yesterday saying I absolutely
will not apologize. As a matter of fact, I will
never apologize again for doing what's right.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
The amount of love and support that you all showed
me and my business taste from that post was incredible,
So I personally just want to say thank you and
continue to stand up for what's that's right, and that
is that women have the right to feel safe and
protect themselves in locker rooms periods.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
So this was really interesting to me because it's nice
to see him doubling down rather than caving to the backlash.
And I think it does show to some extent that
the cancel culture forces, like the power of the Twitter
moms and all that, have really waned, because I think
even just you know, three or four years ago, still
they would have been more powerful and more overwhelming, but
(13:27):
he might have succumbed to it. But it is interesting
how people have to like go after his business. I
believe he sells like low calorie or low sugar sauces
of different kinds for bodybuilders or people who watch their
macros or all that, And I just I can't understand this,
this idea that oh, well, he said something in his
(13:47):
commentary that bothered me, so I'm going to go review
bomb his product with unrelated complaints. That just seems like
a very noxious and dishonest and almost fraudulent way to
go after somebody, even somebody who has like somehow personally
done me dirty, not just like said something wrong or
that I disagree with. I still wouldn't go after their
(14:09):
unrelated business, if like, and start leaving reviews for products
I've never tried, or organizing boycotts. It's just it's the
tell tale of like a closed mind and of a
person who's motivated by vengeance rather than actually engaging with
the arguments or dissecting them or wanting to earnestly defeat
(14:29):
them in any kind of open conversation. I just think
that Joey here, if anything, people should support his products
and support him because it would be easier probably for
him to just say nothing and just not talk about
this controversy and wait for the next one. But he
chose to stick his neck out there on the side
of common sense and basic safety and dignity for women,
(14:53):
and that is something he should be celebrated for, not
condemned or targeted or boycotted. That's just my take. You
guys will have to let me know what you think
in the comments below. Make sure subscribe to the like button.
Comment with your thoughts, your questions for me and all that.
And up next, we've got to catch up on the
(15:13):
latest drama involving Nick Fuentes. The alt right extremist and
self avowed Hitler lover who is having a moment right now.
It's kind of undeniable. His numbers are huge, people are
tuning into him, and he is getting brought on some
of the biggest conservative podcasts like Tucker Carlson's Show and others.
(15:36):
Candace Owens had him on recently, so he's definitely on
the come up. His influence is on the rise in
right wing media. That much is undeniable. But as I've
highlighted on this channel and this show in the past,
he is a genuinely hateful extremist who has said the
most vile things imaginable about women, about black people, about gays,
(15:57):
about of course Jews. He's deeply anti sm He talks
about how he loves Hitler over and over and over again.
And now somebody who is adjacent to him in media
circles and in some of their political views, the libertarian
podcaster Dave Smith, who I have chatted with a little
bit over the years and do have nothing against him,
(16:20):
but he he has I think an appreciation for Nick
Quentez because they agree and are united in, for example,
their opposition to Israel. So he recently spoke Dave did
on a podcast and kind of implored Nick Fuentez to
disavow some of the edgier statements like I love Hitler,
(16:41):
that's a quote. And Nick has now responded in a
way that Dave probably won't be thrilled about. But first,
let's look at this clip of Dave trying to offer
some suggestions to Nick about possibly rebranding or moderating or
walking back some of his most saying statements, like when
(17:01):
he said black people should be in jail for the
most part, which I thought was just like really nice
of him to add that qualifier at the end. Let's listen.
Speaker 9 (17:14):
I'm on Nick's side, but it's kind of the same
thing as going, oh, you could afford this, we could
afford this, Like okay, yes, yes he was wrong then,
but what about all the fucking kind of like Nazi
shit that you now added to all of this, Because
it's not like I just don't you know when I
hear people going like oh whatever. I first was a
(17:37):
little suspicious of this, but then I was like, oh,
this is a better way to say it.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I do go.
Speaker 9 (17:41):
Look, this kid has blown up and brought He's pushed
the Overton window further than anyone I've ever seen push it,
and I've been around some really influential people. But the
fact is that even now I think it's better if
he's going on Tucker Carlson Show and going like, well, look,
(18:02):
I don't really mean the craziest shit I was ever saying.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I think, okay, just to pause here, Dave has more
to say. The problem is he does mean it. He Yeah,
that's the thing. We've had the boy who cried wolf
so many times, like progressives and people being like Nazi, Nazi, racist, homophobaic, sexist, misogynists,
he does mean it. Sometimes he speaks tongue in cheek
(18:27):
or he's intentionally hyperbolic, but like the underlying positions of
hatred and wanting to discriminate against all these different groups
of people, he genuinely does believe. So I think part
of what has happened is that people who are sympathetic
to him for unrelated reasons or I guess only tangentially
(18:50):
related reasons, like him leading the base against Israel or
something like that, have made peace with the fact that
he's so vile by telling themselves he's just joking, he's
just edge floorting. But that's not actually true. That's just
a cope, And I think Dave is finding that out,
or at least will have found that out after he
(19:12):
hears Nick's reply to his request to please like disavow
some of the Nazi stuff. Yeah, let's see if he
does that.
Speaker 9 (19:20):
That was kind of like we were being hilarious and
I was saying the craziest shit you could say. Now,
I know that's not the easiest thing, especially when you're
Nick Fuendes. That's a difficult thing to do because your
whole brand is that I'm not a bitch. These other
guys are bitches. I'm the most real mother ever. And
so if you ever walk off that ledge a little bit,
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it's like you're afraid you're gonna lose your whole thing.
But to some degree, you got to admit, dude, he's
painted himself into a Nazi corner. That's like, Dude, this
is gonna turn off a lot of people if you
can't find a way.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
To go okay. I don't mean that because that is crazy.
I mean I basically do agree with Dave here. I
think he's way too soft on Nick and has like
this soft spot for him just because he agrees with
some of his foreign policy views or other things, and
so he's not like adequately in my view at least
horrified by just Nick's extremist, regressive positions and statements. But
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he's obviously correct that, like, if Nick is really trying
to go mainstream, you got to walk back some of
the statements. The I love Hitler direct quote his whole
thing about his constant doubting of the Holocaust and the
just horrible things he says about women and violent things
he says about women. It's it's all extremely, extremely toxic,
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and I think radioactive outside of the online online sphere.
So if this is obviously good advice, but I think
it was always going to fall on deaf ears and
Nick did not take it well. So now let's look
at his response to Dave advice. Let's listen.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
I like Dave and I like talking to him, and
I think he's a good man. But this is an
area where we genuinely have disagreement, and I don't like
the little self righteous thing that goes on. Where he's
going to kind of take this track and say, oh, okay, okay,
well we're going to moderate on the Hitler stuff, right,
and it's like, no, no, I'm not. You know.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Well, there you have it, folks. Nick Quentez, the new
darling on the online right, will not in fact be
moderating or walking back on his repeated years long praise
of saying he loves Hitler, saying he's team Hitler and
the people on his side on many issues. We're trying
to get him to just be a little bit normal.
He's like, now, I refuse. He literally is like, yes,
(21:48):
hal Hitler, let's go. Yeah, that's psychotic actually and should
be in a sane world, in a normal, remotely coherent,
and ethical political media and discourse. A permanently disqualifying statement. Honestly,
having said it all in the first place is disqualifying enough.
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But then to be like no by double down, and
then of course he had to double down in a
way that was anti semitic, essentially saying Dave Smith only
even asked me to this about this because he's a
Jew and no jew f off is basically what he says. Listen,
oh like, and you don't.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
You don't really have moral high ground over me. You're agnostic.
I'm a Christian, You're you're Jewish. I'm not like I'm
maybe it's a little awkward, it's a little uncomfortable, but yeah,
you're always gonna be a little bit more. It's like
a sensitivity. It's like black people with the N word, Like, yeah,
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there's some black people that are going to let you say,
they're not going to beat you up, but you're all
there's always going to be like a little you gonna
kind of give him a little side eye.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Same with Jews in the Holocaust, and.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
He really just suggest that, like, oh, well, Dave is
just sensitive about me saying I love Hitler and I'm
team Hitler because Dave is Jewish and I believe has
family members or relatives who died in the Holocaust. No,
I think he's just somewhat in touch with basic reality
and morality, Like I'm not Jewish, but I'm just normal.
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So I also think Nick quintas that it is bad
that he is team Hitler, and it's not the same
as saying the N word in a rap song, because
that even then is harmless and doesn't have bad intent.
Saying you love Hitler is absolutely has a bad intent
and is endorsing and promoting evil. And his response when
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people ask him to walk that back and act like
a semi normal person is to dismiss them because they're Jewish,
not helping you beat the Hitler allegations Nick among the
other allegations you know about the cat boy and the
other things. We'll get it too that another time.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Well a cost.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
And that's all I meant a year ago when I
said at the end of the day, I said this
with cannas Owan's I said, at the end of the day,
he goes around telling people his grandparents died in the Holocaust.
It's always going to mean something to him. It's going
to mean something more to him than to us. It
is what it is. I don't think that's offensive. Everybody's
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real and sensitive. You know, no one wants to fight
or whatever. But it's like, that's just true. So I'm
not saying this as like an attack. I'm not attacking him.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Oh no, you're not attacking him. You're just refusing to
apologize for or walk back any of your openly pro
Hitler views and then dismissing somebody who is on your
side on many issues and viewing you favorably because he's Jewish.
You genuinely can't make this stuff up. It's absolutely abysmal
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and pathetic on Nick's part. And I just want anyone
to be aware of this. Who thinks like, oh, he's
just joking, he's just edge lording, or oh those clips
are from years ago. He's moderating, he's normal now. He
is not. He is charismatic, he is funny, he is
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clearly resonating with people. But he is also a charlatan
and an extremist who is in egging on people to
go along with some of the most violent and unhinged
and just evil ideas and beliefs about entire groups of people,
and then hides under this veneer of oh, I'm just joking.
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But then when people get serious with him and be
all like, come on, say you were just joking when
you say you love Hitler, he says nope, And he says,
and shut up, Jude, don't ask me to do that.
That's who Nick Flint has is. And to the people
who are trying to delude themselves otherwise, don't forget that.
That's my take on it and why I wanted to
highlight it for all of you. But you guys will
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have to let me know what you think in the
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we'll talk again real soon.
I don't know if Joey is just dumb and doesn't
realize the impact of his actions in a society that
keeps looking for an excuse to vilify trans folks and
make it harder for them to live, or if he
genuinely harbors these transphobic ideals.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
A fitness influencer is under fire for simply rejecting insane transactivism.
We're going to break this down, plus so much more
on today's episode of The Brad Versus Everyone Podcasts, my
(00:32):
daily show where we take on the craziest ideas from
across social media and the Internet, all from an independent
political perspective. Guys, it's my birthday today. We're twenty eight
years old. Feeling a little elderly. Chatted about it in
a video I put up earlier on the YouTube channel.
But anyway, still going to do a show. Might be
(00:54):
a little lighter than usual because I have some fun
plans for this evening, so I actually don't know what
they are, but my boyfriend prepared some surprises for me,
so we'll have to go see. But anyway, I did
want to talk about this Joey Swoll story. This is
the fitness influencer Joey Swoll who does Jim and fitness
related content, so he'll do a lot of policing people
(01:17):
like calling out that Jim etiquette, shaming people who record
others in Jim locker rooms, and that kind of thing.
And he is generally not super political and generally pretty
positive guy. I think he's a positive voice on the
Internet and I like him a lot. But he did
weigh in on a controversy we've already discussed, which involved
(01:41):
a woman who got very disturbed at a Gold's gym
in California when a very obviously biological male person was
observing her in the locker room. They had an altercation.
This person freaked out, it went viral and then disturbing
details about the transom, who I think is in my
(02:01):
opinion likely a fetishist and actually has convicted charges for
domestic abuse and other crimes, was allowed to be though
under California law in the women's locker room at Gold's gym. Anyway,
this woman, Tish, is very bothered by this, very upset
by it for understandable reasons. It sparked this whole discourse,
(02:23):
and just in case you forgot what happened, I will
roll a TMZ video breaking it all.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Down, Oh man with big and a woman's locker role,
and that's why I'm getting kicked out.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
I'm just wondering if you see her perspective, she's saying
that she's looking at you, say, in a towel, and
you still have and you know you may be transitioning,
But could you understand her being uncomfortable?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Well, I certainly do not understand it, but I do
get the notion of the fear mongering that she's perpetuating. Now, guys,
let's get into the backlash. Because Joey swol he does
typically discuss this kind of thing, like whenever there's a
viral incident with a Jim locker room or anything like that,
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a dispute inside a fitness center. That type of stuff
is his bread and butter content wise, So it wasn't
surprising to me that he weighed in here, but he
did so in a way that ruffled the feathers of
the wok side of the Internet, putting out statements to
the effect of women have a right to feel safe
without men in their locker rooms. Of course, invalidating the
(03:39):
identity of this literal domestic abuse horrific person who just
claims they're a woman and has been on hormones for
a few months, which I, of course think is completely valid.
I think that person's identity is not in fact valid,
and they should not be allowed in women's rooms. But unsurprisingly,
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the woke side of the internet was not pleased with him.
I'm going to show you a really, really unhinged hate
video that one Instagram influencer made about Joey over this
whole thing. Brace yourself for that hate video. Let's take
a look.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Joey Swall is currently coming at me on Twitter. Overtrans writes, yes,
this Joey Swall. See the person that he's calling an
incredible woman and human being? Here is this person and
this is.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Oh my gosh the person. Uh tag JK Rolling? Okay
the horror? Yeah, so what. Tish Hyman, the woman who
complained about the Golds gym situation, posted tweets, including some
calling for JK Rolling, and some of the tweets might
are I mean, are we supposed to believe Joey Swall
co signs this woman everything? This woman's tweeting just because
(04:50):
he supports her side of a dispute That doesn't follow
Babe cancel culture. Logic is not actually logic at all.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
And this is the behavior he's defending as not transphobic.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Men, Well, man, we're big and a woman's.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Not blow And he says he is finding that woman
a new gym and paying for her membership, because.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Okay, yeah, is that transphobic to be upset that a
biological male is displaying I think through a towel, but
still their male anatomy in the women's locker room and
making women uncomfortable, especially when you later find out that
person has a criminal history. Yeah, don't. I don't think
that's hateful in any sense of the word.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Because the internet is where new onance goes to die.
I want to be clear about something. A lot of
the worst people on the internet dug into the transwoman
who kind of kicked all this off because she was
in a change room.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Oh my god, how are you? How are you using?
She her pronouns for this person who was convicted of
domestic violence against his wife and then adopted her name. Yeah,
it's Alexis Black. Is this dude's name? And he literally
abused his wife, was pled guilty to charge us about it,
(06:03):
and then took on her name. Like some sort of
sick identity theft and you're still respecting his pronouns.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
No, ma'am what.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
And they are claiming that she has a horrific history
of domestic violence that Joey isn't.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
It's not claiming when they pled guilty to it.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Pulling for stronger domestic violence laws. He's saying things like
women have the right to feel safe in jim locker
rooms without men period some and.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
Yes, what.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Someone wants to hurt women, They're not going to bother
identifying as a transperson and going through the whole experience
of transition just to do that.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
They Okay, I mean that may be true, but the
law in California doesn't require any experience as a transperson.
It's not as if you have to have a diagnosis
and you have to take hormones for two years and
then you can go into the women's locker and no,
it just literally says anyone who feels like a woman
or even feels non binary can walk in at any
time to any women's only space in places bound by
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anti discrimination law in California. That's insane. And you're not
going to gaslight us into thinking that because we're against that,
we're hateful bigots. No, nobody's buying that. Do that.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
They are also saying that this transperson in question may
have said some really inappropriate stuff in the locker room.
But even if we take this woman's characterization at face
value and the person really did say some awful stuff,
the solution Joey's friend is calling for isn't to have
stronger domestic violence laws, isn't to have stronger anti harassment laws.
They're calling for stricter rules about trans folks in change rooms,
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and that.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yes, because in California, stricter rules are very clearly needed
because right now they have just an open door self
id policy and women are being harmed by it. You
would think, as like a woke progressive feminist whatever, you
would agree with that not attack creators who are actually
taking a stand for that and rooms.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
And that is the rhetoric that Joey School keeps supporting.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Oh no, I like, I just think we exist in
different realities with some of these people. We can't be
on the same planet.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
And now his followers are sending me messages like this,
see all.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Right, well those are hateful messages and I don't support it.
It says like f the t slur and other things.
But you can't. I'm sorry you cannot have a viral
exchange on Twitter. A couple people send you nasty messages.
In this case, I think it's literally two, and then
you use that to draw a conclusion about that person
(08:45):
or their character. When they have millions of followers, there
are always going to be some crazy people. When you
put Joey on blast, I'm sure some of your followers
send him unhinged dms. It's not an argument, and it's
just the nature of the beasts and social media. You
can't do this by association when somebody has millions of
followers is not going to actually make any sense.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
CEO Positivity, Huh. Just because someone tells you they're the
CEO of positivity doesn't mean that the stuff they're pushing
for isn't going to hurt the most vulnerable members of
our society.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
You mean like women, and funny enough, in this case
black lesbian women. But you don't actually who were harmed here,
and you pretend that that's what you're concerned about. I
don't know. This feels it really does feel gaslightly to me.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Our society. I don't know if Joey is just dumb
and doesn't realize the impact of his actions in a
society that keeps looking for an excuse to vilify trans
folks and make it harder for them to live, or.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
You know what would help, Actually, if supporters of trans
rights in the trans community would condemn the bad actors
instead of defending them, that would help. But instead you're
defending the indefensible and claiming it's all trans rap and
smearing people who have genuine concerns and criticisms as bigots
(10:05):
when they're not. Yeah, you're hurting the cause.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Wow, Or if he genuinely harbors these transphobic ideals. But
I do know that once he saw stuff like this,
he probably should have failed, unless, of course, he agrees
with it, which I think I'm pretty accurately locked.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Anyway, Huh, let's read this tweet that she put up
that's so bad that Joey posted. Not wanting a man
in the women's locker room so that women feel safe
is not transphobic. My defending a woman that was verbally
assaulted by a man convicted of domestic violence breaking his
ex wife jaw is not transphobic. If it was you
or your daughter, you would feel the same. Enough is
(10:43):
enough that, and she's claiming that's why he's a bigot.
What is the big tree in the room with us?
I see nothing but facts and common sense.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Anyway, I need to go shower from my workout at
my wonderful inclusive jin ooh boy.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
She seems absolutely lovely and totally stable and normal. Now
it's not just this one person. There's been a little
bit of an internet pylon against Joey Swoll for taking
this stand, and we're going to hear his side of
this story and how people are even targeting his business.
First though, do make sure you subscribe to hit the
like button, do comment with your thoughts and all of that.
(11:21):
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let's hear from Joey talking about the backlash he's getting
for what, in my book at least, is an extremely
(11:42):
common sense take. Let's listen to him tell his side
of the story.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I know if Joey is just dumb and doesn't realize
the impact of his actions in a society that keeps
looking for an excuse to vilify trans folks and make
it harder for them to live, or if he genuinely
harbors these transphobic ideals.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
Over the last few days, I'm sure many of you
have seen people like this woman attacking me, calling me
horrible things like transphobic. Why because I defended a woman
that was being verbally assaulted by a man in the
women's locker room, a man that is a convicted felon
for domestic violence. Then they went after my small business taste,
(12:21):
leaving comments and bad reviews, calling it transphobic, trash, and
even attacking my customers, calling them white supremacists, which makes
no sense considering I was defending a black woman. Then
they demanded that I do better and apologize.
Speaker 8 (12:37):
So I put this post up yesterday saying I absolutely
will not apologize. As a matter of fact, I will
never apologize again for doing what's right.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
The amount of love and support that you all showed
me and my business taste from that post was incredible,
So I personally just want to say thank you and
continue to stand up for what's that's right, and that
is that women have the right to feel safe and
protect themselves in locker rooms periods.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
So this was really interesting to me because it's nice
to see him doubling down rather than caving to the backlash.
And I think it does show to some extent that
the cancel culture forces, like the power of the Twitter
moms and all that, have really waned, because I think
even just you know, three or four years ago, still
they would have been more powerful and more overwhelming, but
(13:27):
he might have succumbed to it. But it is interesting
how people have to like go after his business. I
believe he sells like low calorie or low sugar sauces
of different kinds for bodybuilders or people who watch their
macros or all that, And I just I can't understand this,
this idea that oh, well, he said something in his
(13:47):
commentary that bothered me, so I'm going to go review
bomb his product with unrelated complaints. That just seems like
a very noxious and dishonest and almost fraudulent way to
go after somebody, even somebody who has like somehow personally
done me dirty, not just like said something wrong or
that I disagree with. I still wouldn't go after their
(14:09):
unrelated business, if like, and start leaving reviews for products
I've never tried, or organizing boycotts. It's just it's the
tell tale of like a closed mind and of a
person who's motivated by vengeance rather than actually engaging with
the arguments or dissecting them or wanting to earnestly defeat
(14:29):
them in any kind of open conversation. I just think
that Joey here, if anything, people should support his products
and support him because it would be easier probably for
him to just say nothing and just not talk about
this controversy and wait for the next one. But he
chose to stick his neck out there on the side
of common sense and basic safety and dignity for women,
(14:53):
and that is something he should be celebrated for, not
condemned or targeted or boycotted. That's just my take. You
guys will have to let me know what you think
in the comments below. Make sure subscribe to the like button.
Comment with your thoughts, your questions for me and all that.
And up next, we've got to catch up on the
(15:13):
latest drama involving Nick Fuentes. The alt right extremist and
self avowed Hitler lover who is having a moment right now.
It's kind of undeniable. His numbers are huge, people are
tuning into him, and he is getting brought on some
of the biggest conservative podcasts like Tucker Carlson's Show and others.
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Candace Owens had him on recently, so he's definitely on
the come up. His influence is on the rise in
right wing media. That much is undeniable. But as I've
highlighted on this channel and this show in the past,
he is a genuinely hateful extremist who has said the
most vile things imaginable about women, about black people, about gays,
(15:57):
about of course Jews. He's deeply anti sm He talks
about how he loves Hitler over and over and over again.
And now somebody who is adjacent to him in media
circles and in some of their political views, the libertarian
podcaster Dave Smith, who I have chatted with a little
bit over the years and do have nothing against him,
(16:20):
but he he has I think an appreciation for Nick
Quentez because they agree and are united in, for example,
their opposition to Israel. So he recently spoke Dave did
on a podcast and kind of implored Nick Fuentez to
disavow some of the edgier statements like I love Hitler,
(16:41):
that's a quote. And Nick has now responded in a
way that Dave probably won't be thrilled about. But first,
let's look at this clip of Dave trying to offer
some suggestions to Nick about possibly rebranding or moderating or
walking back some of his most saying statements, like when
(17:01):
he said black people should be in jail for the
most part, which I thought was just like really nice
of him to add that qualifier at the end. Let's listen.
Speaker 9 (17:14):
I'm on Nick's side, but it's kind of the same
thing as going, oh, you could afford this, we could
afford this, Like okay, yes, yes he was wrong then,
but what about all the fucking kind of like Nazi
shit that you now added to all of this, Because
it's not like I just don't you know when I
hear people going like oh whatever. I first was a
(17:37):
little suspicious of this, but then I was like, oh,
this is a better way to say it.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I do go.
Speaker 9 (17:41):
Look, this kid has blown up and brought He's pushed
the Overton window further than anyone I've ever seen push it,
and I've been around some really influential people. But the
fact is that even now I think it's better if
he's going on Tucker Carlson Show and going like, well, look,
(18:02):
I don't really mean the craziest shit I was ever saying.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I think, okay, just to pause here, Dave has more
to say. The problem is he does mean it. He Yeah,
that's the thing. We've had the boy who cried wolf
so many times, like progressives and people being like Nazi, Nazi, racist, homophobaic, sexist, misogynists,
he does mean it. Sometimes he speaks tongue in cheek
(18:27):
or he's intentionally hyperbolic, but like the underlying positions of
hatred and wanting to discriminate against all these different groups
of people, he genuinely does believe. So I think part
of what has happened is that people who are sympathetic
to him for unrelated reasons or I guess only tangentially
(18:50):
related reasons, like him leading the base against Israel or
something like that, have made peace with the fact that
he's so vile by telling themselves he's just joking, he's
just edge floorting. But that's not actually true. That's just
a cope, And I think Dave is finding that out,
or at least will have found that out after he
(19:12):
hears Nick's reply to his request to please like disavow
some of the Nazi stuff. Yeah, let's see if he
does that.
Speaker 9 (19:20):
That was kind of like we were being hilarious and
I was saying the craziest shit you could say. Now,
I know that's not the easiest thing, especially when you're
Nick Fuendes. That's a difficult thing to do because your
whole brand is that I'm not a bitch. These other
guys are bitches. I'm the most real mother ever. And
so if you ever walk off that ledge a little bit,
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it's like you're afraid you're gonna lose your whole thing.
But to some degree, you got to admit, dude, he's
painted himself into a Nazi corner. That's like, Dude, this
is gonna turn off a lot of people if you
can't find a way.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
To go okay. I don't mean that because that is crazy.
I mean I basically do agree with Dave here. I
think he's way too soft on Nick and has like
this soft spot for him just because he agrees with
some of his foreign policy views or other things, and
so he's not like adequately in my view at least
horrified by just Nick's extremist, regressive positions and statements. But
(20:20):
he's obviously correct that, like, if Nick is really trying
to go mainstream, you got to walk back some of
the statements. The I love Hitler direct quote his whole
thing about his constant doubting of the Holocaust and the
just horrible things he says about women and violent things
he says about women. It's it's all extremely, extremely toxic,
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and I think radioactive outside of the online online sphere.
So if this is obviously good advice, but I think
it was always going to fall on deaf ears and
Nick did not take it well. So now let's look
at his response to Dave advice. Let's listen.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
I like Dave and I like talking to him, and
I think he's a good man. But this is an
area where we genuinely have disagreement, and I don't like
the little self righteous thing that goes on. Where he's
going to kind of take this track and say, oh, okay, okay,
well we're going to moderate on the Hitler stuff, right,
and it's like, no, no, I'm not. You know.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Well, there you have it, folks. Nick Quentez, the new
darling on the online right, will not in fact be
moderating or walking back on his repeated years long praise
of saying he loves Hitler, saying he's team Hitler and
the people on his side on many issues. We're trying
to get him to just be a little bit normal.
He's like, now, I refuse. He literally is like, yes,
(21:48):
hal Hitler, let's go. Yeah, that's psychotic actually and should
be in a sane world, in a normal, remotely coherent,
and ethical political media and discourse. A permanently disqualifying statement. Honestly,
having said it all in the first place is disqualifying enough.
(22:09):
But then to be like no by double down, and
then of course he had to double down in a
way that was anti semitic, essentially saying Dave Smith only
even asked me to this about this because he's a
Jew and no jew f off is basically what he says. Listen,
oh like, and you don't.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
You don't really have moral high ground over me. You're agnostic.
I'm a Christian, You're you're Jewish. I'm not like I'm
maybe it's a little awkward, it's a little uncomfortable, but yeah,
you're always gonna be a little bit more. It's like
a sensitivity. It's like black people with the N word, Like, yeah,
(22:45):
there's some black people that are going to let you say,
they're not going to beat you up, but you're all
there's always going to be like a little you gonna
kind of give him a little side eye.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Same with Jews in the Holocaust, and.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
He really just suggest that, like, oh, well, Dave is
just sensitive about me saying I love Hitler and I'm
team Hitler because Dave is Jewish and I believe has
family members or relatives who died in the Holocaust. No,
I think he's just somewhat in touch with basic reality
and morality, Like I'm not Jewish, but I'm just normal.
(23:20):
So I also think Nick quintas that it is bad
that he is team Hitler, and it's not the same
as saying the N word in a rap song, because
that even then is harmless and doesn't have bad intent.
Saying you love Hitler is absolutely has a bad intent
and is endorsing and promoting evil. And his response when
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people ask him to walk that back and act like
a semi normal person is to dismiss them because they're Jewish,
not helping you beat the Hitler allegations Nick among the
other allegations you know about the cat boy and the
other things. We'll get it too that another time.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Well a cost.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
And that's all I meant a year ago when I
said at the end of the day, I said this
with cannas Owan's I said, at the end of the day,
he goes around telling people his grandparents died in the Holocaust.
It's always going to mean something to him. It's going
to mean something more to him than to us. It
is what it is. I don't think that's offensive. Everybody's
(24:23):
real and sensitive. You know, no one wants to fight
or whatever. But it's like, that's just true. So I'm
not saying this as like an attack. I'm not attacking him.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Oh no, you're not attacking him. You're just refusing to
apologize for or walk back any of your openly pro
Hitler views and then dismissing somebody who is on your
side on many issues and viewing you favorably because he's Jewish.
You genuinely can't make this stuff up. It's absolutely abysmal
(24:57):
and pathetic on Nick's part. And I just want anyone
to be aware of this. Who thinks like, oh, he's
just joking, he's just edge lording, or oh those clips
are from years ago. He's moderating, he's normal now. He
is not. He is charismatic, he is funny, he is
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clearly resonating with people. But he is also a charlatan
and an extremist who is in egging on people to
go along with some of the most violent and unhinged
and just evil ideas and beliefs about entire groups of people,
and then hides under this veneer of oh, I'm just joking.
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But then when people get serious with him and be
all like, come on, say you were just joking when
you say you love Hitler, he says nope, And he says,
and shut up, Jude, don't ask me to do that.
That's who Nick Flint has is. And to the people
who are trying to delude themselves otherwise, don't forget that.
That's my take on it and why I wanted to
highlight it for all of you. But you guys will
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have to let me know what you think in the
comments below. Do make sure you subscribe, hit the like
button anyways, and that'll be it for today's episode of
the Bread Versus Everyone podcast. Thanks so much for listening.
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