Ep. 716 - Hunters Beware: DU x Expanded Perspectives Return for More Creepy Tales - Ducks Unlimited Podcast

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Cam (01:43):
What is going on, Ducks Unlimited, y'all? Thanks so much
for joining us back here againwith me, Cam, and Kyle of
Expanded Perspectives with morecreepy stories.

Kyle (01:53):
That's right. Y'all been sending them in just like we
asked, and we got a bunch ofbangers we can't wait to get to
this day, so stick around.

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Matt Harrison (03:18):
Hey, everyone, and welcome back to the Ducks
Unlimited podcast. I'm yourhost, Matt Harrison, and today,
we have with us some people thatneed no introduction, mister
Kyle and Cam from ExpandedPerspectives. And also holding
down the inn down here, misterClay Baird. Fellas, it is so

(03:38):
good to have y'all back. Lasttime we were together, the
episode went insanely viral, gottens of millions of views.
So we are back today to tellsome more stories, but fellas,
how we doing?

Cam (03:49):
It that last episode, really, that was something else.

It was crazy.

Cam (03:52):
Yeah. That went crazy. Yeah. We come up for the expo.
It was amazing.
Yep. Yep. That expo wassomething else. Do you expo? It
was so great.
Yeah. And we gathered storiesfrom there. And then after
putting this out and all y'alllistening and everybody sending
them in, we have some, I guessyou could say, extremely
unsettling outdoor adventurestories to discuss with y'all

(04:15):
today. Oh, boy. Yeah.
Yeah. It if you like the weird,the strange, unusual boy, look.
Y'all aren't alone. We came inwith all the stories, and then
everybody else is like, hey.Guess what?
I had something like that happento me too. And then so we're off
to the races with that wholething. So, yeah, thanks for
having us back up. This isgreat, and thanks for all y'all
for participating, sending allthis stuff in. So, yeah, just so
you know, you're not alone withall the weirdness that you got

(04:37):
going on.

Kyle (04:38):
Yeah. And if they got more stories, what do they need to
send them?

Clay Baird (04:40):
You can send them to ducks or dupodcast@ducks.org.
And if you want to record them,you can record them online at
ducks.org/podcast.

So what's been awesome to see too is, you know,
the first time we did this, wedidn't have a ton of stories.
And each time we do it, it'sbeen crazy to see the amount of
people that have said, hey. I'vegot a similar story or another
story that maybe, you know, Ican share with y'all. So we've
had a bunch of submissions.We've got a bunch of stories to
tell today.
Super excited about this, sobetter tighten your boots

(05:13):
because it's about to be a goodgood run.

Kyle (05:15):
Yeah. It's crazy. I mean, we didn't even know the first
time we sat down in here thatthis would that this would work,
and it turns out that it's notonly working, it's snowballing.
Yeah. We're getting more like,last time we asked for stories,
and we got a few, and we askedfor more this time, and we got
even more, and it's just gonnakeep growing.
So let's get into them. Alright.

Let's do it.

Kyle (05:31):
This first one comes from somebody named nine zero three
Customs, and it says, I'm nearTyler, Texas in the woods, and
in the late nineteen eighties,my pop and I were hunting in the
woods. We were varmint callinglate at night, and suddenly over
the fence came this guy wholooked like the person you were
describing in your video. He waslike a werewolf looking thing,
like the native Americans call askin walker. My dad shot at it

(05:54):
numerous times and it went downinto the creek and just stayed
there. We heard it rumbling andwe kept watching, but it never
came out.
So I ran to the barn and calledsheriff Schaefer, who lived not
far from us, and he came downthere. And we all went into the
woods for an hour and we kepthearing something down in that
creek bottom. My dad figuredthat he had shot it and hit it

(06:14):
and it was probably laying downthere just dying. So the next
day, we go down there andthere's all sorts of these
little structures built withrocks, like small tiny towers.
Something had stacked them andbuilt them up.
Each was about a foot tall. Nowwe'd heard stories from other
old timers around this area of acreature that nobody would
describe accurately becausenobody had really seen it much.

(06:37):
They said that it smells likedeath, and it looks like a naked
man. It runs on all fours, andhe lives with wolves. I think
that we overcame that thing thatnight in the woods.
I don't know if it still exists,but people would make YouTube of
the YouTube videos about it ifit was actually caught on
footage. That's why that's mystory. So him and his father

(07:00):
were out hunting, varmintcalling. They saw this strange
looking man, werewolf lookingthing, half beast, half man
crawling around. They shot at itnumerous times.
It ran off in the creek. Theywent and got the sheriff. They
looked around. I don't know whatthat was. That sounds scary.

Cam (07:16):
What's up with the structures?

That's what I was about to say. That's what's
gotten my attention.

Cam (07:20):
They're not there, but the structures are there. The first
thing I thought of is I have abuddy of mine who's a fishing
guide. Used to guide I've talkedabout him before.

Kyle (07:26):
He used

Cam (07:26):
to guide in Alaska. Mhmm. And they talk about seeing those
in remote parts along the banksof rivers, small little
structures like that.

You've talked about that before on the show.

Kyle (07:35):
What is that? Fae? Yeah.

Cam (07:37):
Well Yeah. You're telling me the Wendigo died in a Fae
City? That's bad luck.

Clay Baird (07:42):
This is like in that, category of wild man slash
werewolf. You don't know whereyou have where you to place it
quite, but it's in thatcategory.

Kyle (07:49):
Yeah. Well, what's what's odd too is, like, we have a
place that we hunt in NorthCentral Texas that is private
land, and they found towers ofstacked stacked rocks up there.

Cam (08:00):
Yeah. When they first bought it, found them in the
middle of the road. Like, they

Kyle (08:03):
bought like, nobody's been on this place. Dirt road.
Somebody built it up there. It'sprivate land. So what what did
that?

Clay Baird (08:09):
It ain't an animal. And and

Cam (08:11):
what is it? Oh, you need thumbs for that. Yeah.

Kyle (08:13):
And is that like a meal raccoon? Yeah.

Cam (08:15):
Yeah. It's really hard to do.

Kyle (08:18):
Is that a warning to stay away? Like, what is it? Yeah. Is
it just marking its territorysaying, like, look. I'm here.
Yeah. Is it asking forsomething? Hey. Could you drop
off some snacks here? Or is itwhat

Cam (08:28):
is Is it bored?

Kyle (08:29):
Or or is it just right?

Cam (08:30):
Is that just what it does? Yeah. It's very hard. It's just
how it's at and what it does. Imean, come on, man.
A skinwalker's gotta have ahobby too, not just scaring
people. Yeah. I mean, it'sthere's got to be more to it
than that. But, I mean, alljokes aside, as a if you're in
the woods, you gotta putyourself in imagine being a
young person. You're in thewoods with your your father.
Right? You're there, the wholething, and then this goes down.

(08:53):
You gotta think back to ifyou've never seen it happen
before, when you're a youngperson and you finally see your
father or your mother or yourparent panic Mhmm. When you've
never seen that, and that's beenthat's your rock solid person,
and then that person cracks,that facade breaks, instantly,
that panic sets in on you. Youcan't help it.
That's the over and then you goget the sheriff. Sheriff. Shake

(09:14):
it. And then the sheriff comesback. Right?

Kyle (09:16):
Right. Nothing. Like,

Cam (09:17):
they look and look and look, and the sheriff's rattled,
and everybody's like, I don'tknow what's going on. Only to
come back and find no blood,nothing, and then you get left
with more questions when youfind those things. That's kind
of the key to all of thesestories that we've get sent
covered. It's like, you'll havethese experiences. You'll have
all this stuff, but there'sstill no answers.

There's so many questions. More questions.

Cam (09:38):
Yeah. It leaves way more questions. I've got one that
I've gotta share. This this one,man, this goes along the lines
of one of those that I alwaysthink about. We talked about the
thermal stories.
Mhmm. Right? Mhmm. And we'vetalked about people seeing these
crazy thermal things calling outto them, whatever it is, be it
skinwalkers, whatever you wannacall these things, crawlers. It

(10:00):
doesn't matter.
Yeah. These like, they're palecrawlers.

Clay Baird (10:03):
Crawlers, rakes.

Kyle (10:04):
Rakes. That's what they they call me different names.

Cam (10:07):
Crazy names. Giandre Becker. I'm gonna read this. It
says, I remember one day about ayear and a half, two years ago
after graduating tank gunnerschool in South Africa. Mhmm.
I was the gunner of a TTD mediumMBT. I have no idea what that

(10:27):
was, y'all.

Sounds sounds sounds sounds

Cam (10:31):
like that.

Clay Baird (10:31):
What he's doing.

Cam (10:32):
It sounds like this dude knows what's up. Not me. All I
know is you point that bigbarrel towards something you
wanna tear up. That's all Iknow. Goes on to say it was
about 02:00 in the morning onemorning in pitch black, and the
only thing that we could use tosee was night vision systems and
the thermal systems.
So we were out on about a threehour drive away from Pretoria,

(10:55):
and the driver of the tankdecides to climb out and use a
little bathroom break. Right?We're in the middle of nowhere.
Yeah. Nothing's going on.
Pull over the truck. I gotta go.Pull over, climb out. Of course,
that's but now that would be achore. Right?
You climb out. It's like, no. Igotta go. Don't be in any hurry.
Get out of the tank.
So he climbs out of the tank. Hegoes about 50 or 75 yards off

(11:15):
into a tree line, steps awayjust so he can use the bathroom.
Right? They're all just hangingout, the other guys in the tank.
All of a sudden, they said theystart hearing screaming.
The driver himself startsscreaming. They can't see. Oh,
boy. Here, Jondre stands up,throws his thermals on, starts
looking. All he can say he cansee is him running.
He's screaming and running backtowards him. So he says, I fire

(11:38):
a warning burst of twelve sevenfrom the roof mounted m two
fifty into the tree line. That'sa good warning. Yeah. Into the
tree line.
He said the the driver runs,runs, runs, gets to the tank.
When he gets to the tank, heturns to the tree line, and he
said, I give a little burst intothe tree line at this point. He
said, I start looking after theburst, and a tall skinny figure

(12:00):
comes out. He's bent over and itstarts crying for help. But he
says, I'm looking at this thingand it's not a person as I'm
watching this.
Right? So he said, well, so Idecide I'm gonna fire a short
burst next to it. So he letsloose one. The thing doesn't
react, turns its head towardshim, and then here it comes,

(12:21):
full speed running right at him.What does that say?
Now look, I'm not really keen onwhat an m two fifty is, but I
would dare say if you fired itbeside me, I'm not gonna run
towards that. I don't know. Callme crazy. Maybe I'm not a
cryptid. Right?
So this thing starts booking ittowards there. So at this
moment, after he's fired it alloff, the commander's like, I

(12:42):
want you to fire another one,but this time I want you to fire
the 120 millimeter gun at it. Sohe touches off the big round at
it, sizzles past there, he saysit lands next to it at this
point and blows the creature inhalf. Boom. Separates the top
from the bottom.
He says, all that settles andhere it comes again crawling. At

(13:03):
this point, it is crawlingtowards them and shrieking. He
said, this thing is making asound that I've never heard
before and never wanna hearagain. It is an unnerving
shrieking sound. He said, it isburned into me for the rest of
my life.
He fires a second shot and hitsit direct and he said, I just
turned it to mist at this point.He said, we stay in the area

(13:27):
until it becomes daylight. Wedon't even move. Everybody locks
down. They're watching allaround them.
They're like, what's going on?At daylight, Jandre said, he
gets out, they go get somethingout of the tank and go and
collect samples of what's leftof that thing, bring it back,
turn it in to get tested. Theyfound out later, according to
him, that they sent it off thatthey can't find it to match any

(13:50):
known blood sample of anythingthat they know of. And how they
figured, I don't know, but theysaid the blood appears to be
over 200 years old. So what?
So what is that? I don't knowhow you do it. I'm I don't know.
I'm not a what what what's a ablood guy? I'm not a
phlebotomist.
That's who draws it.Hematologist. What is that? I I
don't know what but I don't knowhow you would age blood, but 200

(14:13):
year old blood. So it'sapparently a physical creature,
whatever this was, or at leastat the point this thing was
physical, and it has some age onit.
Well, the first thing that comesto mind when I start thinking of
that is genies and gin

Kyle (14:27):
Mhmm.

Cam (14:27):
And just complete evilness in that whole deal. And this was
over in, of course, South Africasomewhere.

Kyle (14:33):
Yeah. And I never really heard anything from South Africa
before. No.

Cam (14:36):
Not like that.

Clay Baird (14:36):
Not like a

Cam (14:37):
nothing like a crawler like that.

Clay Baird (14:39):
Yeah. If you would have said, you know, maybe
Middle East or something Yeah.You know, you think of the
giants giant Akandahar Yep. Yep.Like that.
But, I mean, the good news is ifit bleeds, can kill it.

Cam (14:48):
Yeah. Well, apparently, the big round does the one twenty
takes And

Kyle (14:51):
said it

Clay Baird (14:52):
was screaming at first?

Cam (14:53):
So as he hit it this first the course, he fires at it. It
comes running, takes it, turnsthe big gun on it, hits it,
blows it in half.

Kyle (14:59):
But it was screaming for help before that.

Cam (15:01):
It was well, yeah. But it was the way he tells it is it's
making the sounds like the otherthermal stories. Yeah. Yeah. Is
it's calling to It's trying tobring them in.

Kyle (15:11):
So I guess the guy went to use the bathroom, and then it

Cam (15:13):
It was there. He walked up on it. Now, man, I don't know
that you talk about you would goto the bathroom if you walked up
on a crawler whether you neededto go or not. You're going.

Kyle (15:22):
It's part

of the game. What better thing to have with you
though than a tank?

Cam (15:25):
That's what I'm screaming. A whole group of My

luck be I'd be like a little three wheeler or
something. I'd be on my ebike.Yeah.

Cam (15:31):
On my ebike. Yeah. And it

Kyle (15:33):
why is it not wrong? Here we go. To charge it.

They need to do it during a tank.

Cam (15:39):
Yeah. Right. Here, I got a recurve and a pocket knife and
an ebike. Here comes thecrawler. I'm like, well, I'm
dead.
I won't be back next episode.The crawler got me.

Clay Baird (15:47):
Yeah. That sent a chill down my spine, that

Cam (15:49):
one. Man. That's The idea that it doesn't quit. Yeah.
That's the part of the storythat got me.
Yeah. But When he fired at it,it ran to him.

I get it, maybe

Kyle (15:57):
it was scared. Right?

Cam (15:57):
And it's in the dark. You could see an animal freaking out
like that.

But when you at you after that.

Cam (16:03):
Crawling and shrieking and screaming. I'm out. Yeah. I bet
the second shot was a lot easierto take with the big cannon.
Right?
You're like, not today, partner.I'm just gonna go ahead and let
you have that one. Take thatwith you.

Kyle (16:13):
At least you could bat in the hatches and just hide in
there. You think? Else. You knowwhat I'm saying?

Cam (16:17):
You think? What if it can get in?

Kyle (16:18):
I'd be I don't know.

Cam (16:20):
That Reaches in with that long arm and

those I'd be popping a wheelie on that tank

Cam (16:24):
getting out

of there, son.

Cam (16:25):
Try to drive like a skid steer, just pull forward as fast
as I can go.

Kyle (16:30):
You know, we talk about it all the time on the show, not
just about the sightings, butwho's having the sightings.

Cam (16:35):
Oh, yeah.

Kyle (16:36):
We lend credibility to certain people over others.
Sorry to say that, but you guysgot trained observers like
police officers, fighter pilots.It makes a difference. You know?
This one took place from a adeputy in Central Louisiana, and
he said that he was going down avery dark rural road on the far
edge of a parish one night, andhe saw something coming off a

(16:57):
timber cut into the ditch, andhe said it was crawling on all
fours.
He said the closest thing he canrelate it to is the werewolf
from American Werewolf inLondon. He said it had long
arms, long legs. It was close tothe ground. He could tell that
it had big teeth. He said it wascovered in hair.
And he said but I could see theskin underneath. He said it

(17:18):
looked up at me, and I saw thiseye shine as it passed the curve
of the road. He said, man, Inever told anybody about it. He
said, but then a couple weekslater, a fellow deputy was over
visiting, and he told me and mywife that he saw the same thing
while out patrolling that weekat night in the exact same spot

(17:38):
on the same darn road travelingin the same direction.

Cam (17:42):
Direction. He says, we both don't know what it was, but this
whole road in this whole area isa community of Choctaw Indians.
So was it

Kyle (17:50):
a skinwalker? Was it a dogman? Is that the same thing?
I don't know. But that's twodeputies in the same county on
the the same county road

Cam (17:59):
It's all

Kyle (17:59):
the same experience. So lots of times when we get these
stories and the and the thestories are so similar, but
they're doing the same things inthe same region. Is it even a
physical thing or is it somehowlike a like a replay, like a
loop, like every night at two inthe morning, that little thing
happens. And if you're standingthere at the time, you'll
witness it, you know, just likethey have these phantom trains,

(18:21):
phantom stagecoaches. There'sall these things where people it
becomes famous there and theysee this and it's like something
that happened previous and it'son a loop.
Yeah. Or is it somethingphysical? Yeah. Nobody really
knows because when everybodysees something like that, they
get out of there as you would.So this is a cop.
He's armed, and we got more thanone. These are these sheriff
deputies, they see stuff. Yeah.Rake sightings, sails a 120

Cam (18:44):
millimeter. He didn't have an m two fifty with it. Yep. He
needs the

Kyle (18:47):
He was in an F250.

He didn't have that B26497

Cam (18:51):
The TMD. TMDZ. Whatever that is. But, yeah, that's what
he needs. Apparently, that's howyou deal with them.
Yeah. I mean, I guess you

Clay Baird (18:58):
could find out whether it's physical or not.
You're looking for tracks ordescents or scat or whatever,
But, I'm I'm of the same mind asmindset as you. Like, it's a
paranormal echo or something.You know? And and at some point,
maybe these things will beexplained and, you know, you see
these things that are just thatthat are repeats and that you
everybody sees the same exactthing.
It just goes through the samemotions. And, you know, oh,

(19:20):
alright. This is some kind ofcode in the system.

Kyle (19:23):
Right. Like, we're in the matrix. We know that pretty much
already. But and, like, when wehave ghosts or spirit sightings
of people, well, why can'tanimals? Maybe that was the
ghost of, a dire wolf that wentextinct ten thousand years ago,
and it's replaying.
Yeah. I don't know. Nobodyknows, but it's terrifying to
think about.

Cam (19:41):
Well, it's wild that we get some like the first story where
they get shot and then you don'tfind anything. No blood, no
tracks, no anything. Then youhave others where you shoot
something like it, and there'sactual physical leftovers. So
you're like, well, which one isit? Are they because they're
obviously not the same.
No. You're like, so what's goingon? Right? It it because you
would think, oh, well, if onecan die, they can all die. Well,

(20:02):
turns out no.
Maybe not. Maybe not.SoccerDeditsFC sends this, and
this one's a good one too. Itsays, I live in Valentine,
Nebraska. I don't know where itis, but it sounds awesome
already.
Right? When I was about 11.Right. Yeah. When I was about 11
years old, my brother and I, hewas eight at the time, were out
just doing a little tree work,cutting down trees, said it was

(20:24):
probably this is about 07:00 atnight, just cutting down trees,
and so we were probably three tofive miles in to our 4,000
acres.
Good night. Yeah. So it soundslike these kids was raised
right.

Like Yeah.

Cam (20:36):
Dad's you got work to do. Yeah. Go there and clean

Go three miles of You

Cam (20:40):
need to clean the fence lines. Get out there and go at
it. Man, that sounds like If

Kyle (20:44):
it's 4,000 acres, that's a lot

Cam (20:45):
of fence. That's a lot of fence, man. A lot of fence. Says
we got tired of cutting trees,so we grabbed our chainsaws, put
them on our four wheeler, andthen tried to leave. God bless
your parents too.
I like this. I like raising kidlook. Yeah. There you go. You're
gonna learn how to do it.
It's time to grow up. This isit. Here we go. Right? So these
kids are out there doing work.
Said they tried to leave. Here'swhere it gets bad, y'all. The

(21:07):
four wheeler wouldn't start.

Kyle (21:08):
This is this is where it classic land movie.

Cam (21:11):
This is where it goes. We tried for at least thirty
minutes to get that thing tostart, and it wouldn't start.
Now, to keep in mind, this is abunch of sand and hills and
trees and we didn't have phonesor anything, so we just started
walking. An hour into our walk,we saw something moving around
in the underbrush. Now at thispoint, it's about 90 yards from

(21:32):
us.
This thing comes out of thebrush and this is what we saw.
It had an elk's body as itcrawls out of the underbrush,
but I could only describe it asa pale human head with black
eyeballs. It had antlers aswell. It looked right at us,

(21:52):
made a sound like something of acoyote howl mixed with a scream
then transformed into a whitething that looked just like they
describe as a rake. It setagainst a tree and started
saying, help me, help me, I'vecut myself in my mother's voice.

(22:14):
Said, at this time, it's gettingdark. We turn around and go to
the old school building that'son the property and went down
into the basement and we satthere. The next day, we tell our
dad and he said that he's neverseen it. So I'm assuming they
got picked up. They skipped overthat, waited.
I'm sure somebody come and foundhim. The next day, he says, tell
our father and he said that he'snever seen anything like that,

(22:37):
but and he wouldn't believe us.Our grandfather said, oh, yeah.
I've seen that thing many timesand we call it a skin walker.
After that, my dad sold theranch.
Now that's there you go. Thewhole place I think a rancher
that bought it runs cattle on itand I'm pretty sure he keeps
finding dead cows in that areawith no blood and no bite marks.

(23:00):
So a possible rake went after acouple little youngins.

Did you say it looked like an elk at first?

Cam (23:05):
Body. Body.

Kyle (23:07):
It's huge. Huge. With a human face. Pounders? To me, it
sounds more like a wendigo.

Cam (23:12):
Yeah. That's what it sounds like.

Kyle (23:13):
Doing a skin whirlpool. But maybe those are the same
thing. But because oftentimes,wendigos are closely related to
not deer. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. For whatever reason, theytake on that deer shape. Yeah.
It's great. Antlers.

Cam (23:25):
It's a not elk. But it sounds like it transformed, that
it was looking like one thingYeah. And then turned into
something else.

Clay Baird (23:32):
Yeah. It's like he caught it right in the middle as
it was transforming, and then itwent to something else beyond
that.

Cam (23:37):
So, yeah, make sure you enjoy your time in the woods,
y'all.

Clay Baird (23:40):
I mean, and your four wheeler won't cry. And your
four wheeler won't cry. Milesout there.

Kyle (23:44):
Yeah.

And your young how you said

Cam (23:46):
eight Eleven and eight. I don't

Kyle (23:48):
know that I'd trust my eight year old with a chainsaw.

Cam (23:50):
Yeah. I'm gonna buy a cannon.

Clay Baird (23:52):
They're they're in Nebraska. Alright.

Cam (23:54):
You had a cannon.

Kyle (23:56):
I don't know if I was operating it at eight, though.
By eleven, I definitely

My eight year old was just on the He he was
standing by. He was pulling thelimbs.

Cam (24:05):
We were just watching. Here we go.

Clay Baird (24:06):
You know, one thing I I've I've never understood.
So, you know, you have EMPs andthings like that that can knock
out your electronics.

Cam (24:12):
Yeah.

Clay Baird (24:13):
Right? And you hear about that with, like, UFOs and
things like that. But how arethings knocking out your your
engine, like, these mechanicalfunctions? Like, what stops it?

Yeah. Or was that just a coincidence?

Cam (24:24):
I guess it could have been because he said they walked
about a mile.

What if they were

Clay Baird (24:27):
out saw it.

Cam (24:28):
Before they saw Yeah. So, I mean, it could be, but then
there is, I don't know.

Because being three or four miles in the
woods, that's a that's a ways inthere.

Cam (24:36):
And that that's usually when it breaks down in Oh, a

100%. Are you running out of gas?

Kyle (24:39):
You gotta put

gas in it.

Kyle (24:40):
Right. You're letting your own office.

Cam (24:42):
You're gonna hurt gas.

Kyle (24:42):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're all the way always when you're
the furthest away from thetruck, that's when you run out
of gas.

Cam (24:46):
But, again, it's still young people involved. Yeah. It
doesn't come

after young people. Do you think too, them
being young, it seemed a lotbigger to them?

Kyle (24:56):
Oh, I'm sure. 100%.

So when they described it like an elk.

Kyle (24:59):
And when you're scared

that have really been big. Know, when you start
thinking stinking stinkstinking. Thinking on things.

Cam (25:06):
That's what a stroke sounds like, y'all.

When you're thinking about things when
you're younger like that,everything just seems a lot

Kyle (25:12):
Yeah.

Lot bigger.

Kyle (25:13):
Especially if you're scared.

Cam (25:14):
Correct. Because I

Kyle (25:15):
mean, that happens all the time.

Everything's bigger.

Kyle (25:18):
There's, like, bank robberies and stuff like that.
Eyewitnesses, they try todescribe the the suspects, and
they they're totally wrong.Mhmm. It's like in the moment,
you're so freaked out. It'slike, man, that thing was seven
foot tall.
Exactly.

Cam (25:28):
No. And then we get some stories where the dude was like,
you know, people, men, women,everybody will send them in and
they're like, I was completelyclear of thought. Everything I
saw was great until it left. Andthen it was like something
washed over them when it's goneand then they just fall apart.
Right?
Where you're just like, I can'tit's it just it shakes their
life to its core.

Clay Baird (25:46):
Yeah. We're not meant to see these things.

Cam (25:48):
No. Don't think we are. Do with it. Yeah. I don't yeah.
I don't we're not ever meant tointeract with that

at all. At this time, we're gonna go into a
break. We've had some crazystories, but we got some more
crazy stories coming your way,so tune back in in just a
minute.

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Alright. Welcome back. We have some more stories
on deck, and you do not want tomiss these. I'm super excited.

Kyle (28:16):
Yeah.

Kyle, I know you got one teed up for us.

Kyle (28:19):
Man, well, lucky for us, people rode in to Ducks
Unlimited from all over, notjust here in America. So this
one comes from Ireland, and thisperson said that for us Irish
and us older people, ferry fortsare very real. If you saw a ring
of stones where we grew up, likea circle of mushrooms, you left
them alone or else. Now Ipromise you that this story is a

(28:39):
100% true. He said driving homeabout 11PM from my then
girlfriend's family in a ruralpart of Kilkenny, Ireland in
02/2005, we were driving down along stretch of rural road with
farmers' fields and hedges allalong.
The driver had the full highbeams on, so I suppose it lit up
the road for about a 100 yardsahead. Literally out of nowhere,

(29:01):
there was what I can onlydescribe as a monster on the
other side of the road with itsfront paws on the bank about to
go through a hedge. He said thisthing was huge. Its back paws
were nearly in the middle of theside of the road. It looked
frozen in place like we hadlamped it.
I don't know what that means. Itmust be an Irish term for
something. He says, I stared atus and it saw us both. It stared

(29:25):
at us, I'm sorry, and it saw usboth. I can only describe it as
it had a huge head and it hadlike a gargoyle's head and face.
It looked like it had scales onits body and only was about four
foot tall. Like I said, to me,this thing was huge. We saw it
clearly for about five seconds,and when we passed it, I turned
to the driver and said, did yousee that? She did. And we both

(29:49):
honestly were terrified.
Now she was a very religiouswoman and started whispering the
rosary to herself. She told methat we had to have just seen a
demon. I kept back looking backinto the darkness just expecting
it to come through the rearwindow or jump on the car, but
it never did. I stumbled acrossa YouTube video in 2009 called
the Wessex Way Monster, and thisis exactly what we saw. If you

(30:13):
wanna go check it out, it'sstill up on YouTube.
Mhmm. He said there's a paperout here called the Farmers
Journal here in Ireland. Thesame woman and I were seeing we
were seeing her parents, andthey said there were some dairy
farmers. In about 02/2006, theyhad a copy of this journal in
their home and ahead a headlinethat read something like
unexplained sheep kills inKilkenny. We never told her

(30:36):
parents or anyone else what wesaw for fear of being laughed
at, but we both knew instantlywhen we saw that paper what was
killing them.
So they saw this gargoylelooking thing on the road. Now
The Wessex Way Monster. TheWessex Way Monster. I'm gonna
have to look into that becauseI've never heard of that, so
maybe we'll be covering that ona future episode. But I know
there was a flap of gargoylesightings that took place in

(30:58):
Florida.
Lon Strickler has, I would say,eight or nine different
sightings from a a specificregion of Florida where people
were seeing what they saidlooked like a gargoyle.

Cam (31:09):
Looks just like you would think a carved gargoyle if it
just came to life.

Clay Baird (31:12):
Yeah. And what is it? Like. I mean How?

Kyle (31:15):
Well, like, it's Florida. Right?

Clay Baird (31:16):
So Well

Cam (31:17):
That seems like But that's Ireland too. Place. So what are
you trying to say? So you Irishin Florida that's you make sure
you go to Ducks Unlimited andfind Clay Baird. That's where

Kyle (31:27):
you're go.

Clay Baird (31:29):
So one of the things that as you're reading that was,
like, I thought of the Irishchupacabra. Yeah. It's it's
killing sheep instead of goatsbecause sheep are what's there.
And Mexico, it's the chupacabra,the goat sucker.

Kyle (31:40):
Yeah. And what's so crazy, the chupacabra is different
based on region. Yeah. I guessBigfoot would be the same, but
chupacabras are way different.Like, in Puerto Rico, they're
like lizards.
Yeah. You go to Texas, it justlooks like a mangy coyote. Yeah.
Which is what I think it is.Yeah.
I'm listen. I don't really likewater cryptids, and I'm not a
big fan of gourds orchupacopras.

Clay Baird (32:01):
Just a we go. In case people don't know

Kyle (32:04):
Yeah. It's an inside joke.

Clay Baird (32:05):
Kyle does not like gourds really of any kind.

Kyle (32:09):
No. Not really. Not really. So my wife loves This
time of year, my wife buys themeverywhere. I'm sick of the darn
things.

Clay Baird (32:14):
Me too.

Kyle (32:15):
I don't get the allure. Like, what's the deal with
gourds?

Cam (32:18):
Yeah. Who knows?

Clay Baird (32:20):
It's like a Seinfeld episode.

Cam (32:21):
I mean, what's the deal with gourds? Gourds. He hates
them. He hates gourds.

Kyle (32:26):
I got a crazy one here that somebody wrote in named
seven series max. They said thatthey live in Western North
Carolina, and they said it'sright on the border of the state
forest that goes over intoTennessee. He said that he's
seen lots of weird stuff overhis life, but the scariest thing
he saw was last summer. He saidhe was burning some down trees,
and he heard something acrossthe creek on the neighbor's
property. He said it soundedlike a bear walking around the

(32:47):
woods.
He said when he looked overthere, there were four, get
this, tall skinny trees thatwere not there before standing
in between me and the light onthe neighbor's property. He said
he went up to the house, hegrabbed his AR, and he came
back. He said when I came back,those four trees were gone. They
had moved 20 feet to the left ofwhere they were previously. He

(33:11):
said, pretty much at that point,I packed it in because I could
see the fire from the house.
I would not go out in the woodsout here anymore at night, and I
talked to a friend of minethat's part Cherokee. She said
what you saw was a wendigo orwhat the Cherokee call a forest
witch. She told me that when yousee one, you don't wanna be in
that part of the woods again.I'm out. Now considering we live

(33:32):
in a valley called Skenau, whichis the Cherokee word for unknown
evil Oh.
Entity or spirit just wanted toshare. Yep. So these spirit
witches, that's I don't wanna

Cam (33:44):
I'm out.

Kyle (33:45):
That stuff.

Cam (33:45):
I'm Come

Kyle (33:46):
out, man.

Cam (33:46):
Get me their place.

Give me a pile of rocks somewhere else I can do
yep.

Cam (33:51):
I don't wanna go down

Kyle (33:52):
about it. Like in Cam's last story, the grandfather had
seen that thing many times.Remember his dad disbelieved it.

Hey, babe. Go get a for sale sign and stick it
right

Cam (33:59):
in front yard. We're selling everything.

Kyle (34:01):
And then the story with the with the stacked rocks, the
old timers around there had

I've seen it before.

Kyle (34:06):
Stories of something in that creek bottom that smelled
like death. Same thing. ThisCherokee woman's like, oh, that
was a forest witch as if it'sjust a common thing. That's what
I always like.

Cam (34:15):
Oh, you don't know?

Kyle (34:16):
Yeah. You don't know?

And there's like she sees it a lot or something
like that.

Clay Baird (34:20):
Yeah. I I hear the word witch and I'm like
automatically, man.

Cam (34:24):
I'm out with you.

Anytime I don't I don't deal with witch. You know?
Anything like that, I'm out.

Kyle (34:28):
And I don't know what it is with that with humans. It's
like we dismiss the stories ofthe of the locals. Like, if you
go to The Philippines and theytalk about the ass whang, it's
like this vampire thing. Tothem, it's it's like you talking
about an armadillo. Yeah.
They're like, oh, yeah. We knowwhat that is. We know what
forest witches are.

Cam (34:44):
Goats in Alaska talk about Bigfoot.

Kyle (34:46):
Like, it's not a

Cam (34:47):
big deal.

Kyle (34:48):
It's that. But we're like, oh, they don't know what they're
talking about. Those are Inuit.They don't know. They're
legends.
Man, they're not real. It'slike, why do we always dismiss
it? Yeah. Maybe it is real. Ifyou go to the central heart of
the Congo, they talk aboutMokileo Bembe like, yeah, dude.
My grandfather saw it. I saw adinosaur. Mhmm. And we're

Cam (35:04):
like, Yeah.

Kyle (35:06):
It's not true.

Clay Baird (35:07):
Yeah.

Cam (35:07):
Turns out, it can. Yeah. You go

Kyle (35:10):
to the native American tradition, they all know exactly
what wendigos are. They knowexactly what skinwalkers are.
Well, we don't wanna believethat

Cam (35:16):
it's real.

Clay Baird (35:17):
That's the thing.

Kyle (35:18):
You wanna convince yourself that it's not real.

Clay Baird (35:20):
You'll you'll see this in our

Cam (35:21):
That's my thing.

Clay Baird (35:22):
In our YouTube comments for these stories,
these same stories you're gonnatell. There's gonna be at least
one person per story who's like,yeah. That never happened. And
just because they do not

Cam (35:30):
wanna believe it. Hey, I'm

Kyle (35:32):
with you. Right? Yeah. That's exactly what it is.

Cam (35:33):
I'm with you. But there's something going on. Yeah.
There's way too much happening.I got one here from Jeffrey
King.
Says my father and I, last year,during duck season, hunted a
spot about a mile and a half offthe main road of a dirt road.
Now, we're here in East Texas inpublic land and here it is real
swampy, but we had some highpine trees in the high places.

(35:57):
So we were in the truck watchingthe entrance sitting ready to
walk in fast if someone tried tobeat us to the spot. All the
lights are off, our eyes wereadjusted just sitting in the
truck in the dark. At thismoment, I saw a dark human
shaped figure glide or moveacross the front of the truck
and it was this this figure wasdarker than dark.

(36:21):
I screamed, my dad responded andflipped the headlights on. It
was still in front when thelights cut on, but there was no
trace of anything. What we sawwas six to seven foot tall,
moving in the darkness until thelights cut on and it vanished.
Said dad told me that he saw itten minutes earlier than I did,

(36:42):
which was scary because it'srealistic. He's very realistic
while I'm slightly dramatic, itsays, but I trust in God's
protection when hunting aloneand I always carry my gun loaded
and now I have a pistol.
So what they saw what was it?Because what they described at
first sounds like Bigfoot. Whenyou get into East Texas, you're
like, okay, it's Bigfoot. Thedad watched this thing move

(37:02):
around the truck for tenminutes, the kid sees it, goes
in front, kid screams, he popsthe lights on and there's
nothing there.

Kyle (37:09):
What is it? Could have been a ghost.

Cam (37:10):
Yeah. First of all, for those that don't know and we've
talked about it at the end, ifyou've not been to East Texas,
it's a very strange place. Verydifferent. I may have told y'all
this before, it's second. TheEast Texas, the the Green
Curtain is second only toAlaska.
It's the second largest forestin The United States. Wow. So
you get in there, it issomething to behold. If you've

(37:33):
never been there and you'vealways wanted to go, I can urge
you take a trip, take yourfamily, do whatever, go down
there, check it all out, but itis an unnerving area where
numerous extremely unsettlingthings happen. I may have told
the story of it.
I had worked with a fellowfriend of mine that grew up out
there. Tell him. And when he washis name was Darryl, grew up way

(37:54):
out in the country. They werepoor, they didn't have much.
Everything they did, they justdid in the woods, they camped,
all that stuff.
He said every year, him and hisbrothers, and he was the
youngest of several, extremely.He was he he told me straight
up, he was like, I was the theaccident. All my brothers were
way older than I was, so I comealong, but they would always
play with him. When I say well,like his next brother, he was
nine years old, his brother was18. That was his closest one,

(38:17):
they were all older.
So he's playing with his friendsand all this and he said every
year would come around, hisfather would be like, y'all
can't go out and play this atthis point, you need to wait a
little bit. He'd And say, whynot dad? He was like, well, the
mountain lion is breeding, youcan hear it. And he said, you'd
hear these mountain lionscalling the whole time. He said,
this went on throughout hislife, grew up, you know, and he
had some other weird things, hehad several other weird things,

(38:38):
but this one goes forward.
Fast forward, he said hisdaughter's in school, she's
gonna do a book report onmountain lions. So he's pumped
because he's like, girl, I grewup with like, were all around,
like, we heard them all thetime. She does her PowerPoint,
everything she's gonna take toschool and she's like, dad,
look. He's she's playing thesounds of them screaming and
calling, and he's like, oh,that's a great report. She gets

(39:01):
her stuff and goes off, and heturns to his wife, and he says,
that's not what I heard.
That is nothing even remotelyclose to the sound I heard. And
she's like, what do you think itwas? He goes, I don't know, but
it wasn't a mountain lion andthat's what my dad told me for
years. That's every He said, ithappened several times and
that's what it was that hisfather would always tell him. He
said, so I got interested in it,but didn't think much of it.
You get busy with life, you'rejust like, I don't know. He

(39:22):
said, you fast forward a fewweeks, maybe in a month or so.
Said his son's on the computerwatching Finding Bigfoot. He
starts playing the screams thatthey allegedly have and all this
these guys are making. And Darylsaid he walked in the room and
he was like, what do you gotgoing on?
His son's telling him and he'swatching, they've always been
interested because where theylived and it was great. Son goes
off and he turns to his wife andhe said, that's what I heard. He

(39:45):
goes, that sound used to betwice a year around us for
weeks, would go on in the middleof the night, you would hear it
going. He said, my father neverspoke of Bigfoot, never spoke of
anything like that. He goes,what did he know wouldn't that
But he convinced us and myfriends, you can't go out there.

(40:06):
What did he know?

Kyle (40:07):
There was very insistent on it. Yeah. I'm telling you,
you're gonna That's what he'sgonna

Cam (40:11):
can't go. Yeah. He's like, you cannot go out there. They're
gonna get you and that's what hehad him believing that it was
mountain lions and it was that.And he's the same guy who that
18 year old brother came homeafter basic training and he
said, when I was like nine, Iwanted to be just like him,
know, he's the big army guy,that's what I want to be.
He said that something had beengetting their chickens and his

(40:33):
brother was home, they were allup late one evening talking, he
said something's getting afterthe chickens, his brother grabs
his pistol and goes out thefront door. He said, you know,
I'm a kid, I wanna be like mybrother. He said, I go out the
back door. He said, I'm gonnarun around and see what my
brother's gonna do. He said, youknow, I'm a big military guy.
He said, I go running around theback door, turn the corner of
the house. I'm sprinting. Hesaid, mom had hung a rug, an old

(40:55):
dirty rug on the on theclothesline. He said, I run into
that, knocks me flat. Down I go,boom.
He said, I'm covered in mud andleaves and all this crap. He
said, my brother's over theredealing with that. Nothing, no
gunfire, he never did anything.He said, I came back in the
house, my brother came theparents are talking and they're
laughing at me, how'd you get sodirty? And I said, because I run

(41:15):
into the rug mom's got hangingup.
Mom said, I don't have a rughanging up. He was like, we
don't have a clothesline upright now. He said, whatever I
ran into was wet, smelt like adog and was covered in dirt and
sticks and leaves. He said, Ihit it and it knocked me flat on
my back. He said, I got up waslike, uh-uh and walked back in
the house and that was it.

(41:35):
He said, we go outside, there'snothing there. So what did I run
into? He goes, I think you knowwhat I ran into. I'm like, yeah,
I think you know what you raninto. He's like, yep.
So he's had a couple of thingslike that and then it wasn't of
course, this is off topic, buthere we go. It wasn't until he
and I got to talking and wediscussed some of these stories

(41:56):
that he went to tell him some ofhis friends in East Texas about
the show and the stories. Andone of them contacted us and
told us a story that he and hisdad had happened on a lake in
East Texas just probably notseven years ago, eight years
ago, maybe a little longer, butthey were on a boat cruising
about 30 foot off the shoreline,maybe a little closer flipping

(42:18):
and pitching right at early asdusk was or daylight was just
breaking. He said he was in theback of the boat, not my buddy
Daryl, it's my buddy Daryl'sbuddy. And this guy and his dad,
his dad was in the front runningthe boat, you know, and working
the shoreline.
He said, I'm in the back gettingsome stuff and I hear my father
go, what is that? And he said, Iturn and 30 foot from us, it

(42:40):
looked at first, said, you know,thought it was a cow or a pig or
something watery. You can see itin the water Mhmm. Right at the
edge, crouched down. He said,when when my dad says that this
thing stands up, he said, itjust continues to stand up.
It takes two big steps behind atree and then starts peeking out
behind the side of it. He saidit had to be well over six and a

(43:01):
half to seven foot tall,whatever it was. Huge. Huge
black thing. He said it lookedbig and broad like a gorilla,
maybe even bigger and close tosix to seven foot tall, stood up
and stepped back in there.
He said, my dad didn't sayanything, I didn't say anything.
He said, we just trollingmotored right past, watched it.
The whole time he goes, my dadgoes back to fishing, I went

(43:22):
back to fishing, half hour wentby before dad finally goes, what
do you think that was? And hewas like, I think you know what
that was. He's like, yep.
And he goes, we fished and butthat was it. They never spoke of
it after that. He goes, who aregonna tell? Because people are
gonna think you're out of

Kyle (43:36):
your mouth. Exactly right. And you feel safe on the boat.
Yeah. But the truth

Cam (43:39):
like, I'm 30 foot from it. He said, I looked right at it. I
know exactly what that was. Andhe was like

Kyle (43:45):
And the tree peeking is very common. Like, they see, oh,
there's humans, that's whatthey'll do. They'll try to Yeah.
Put them something between themand you. But his friend Daryl
didn't tell Cam any of thosestories until he found out about
the podcast, so he had beencarrying that.

Cam (43:58):
He'd been carrying the whole then it's like,

Kyle (44:00):
oh, so you're into this kind of stuff. Let me tell you
some stories.

Cam (44:03):
Yeah. And the only reason I brought it up to him is because
he's from East Texas. Right? AndI'm like, oh, let me ask you
some questions, and he was like,oh, and then he found out. He's
like, dude, we've had somereally, really weird things
happen.
So all of y'all that have sentall these stories in from East
Texas, dude, I'm in becausethat's a strange, strange place.
Same like Pennsylvania. Strangeplace. You get some strange

(44:23):
stories out of certain parts ofthe country, but that area of
East Texas is unsettling.

Kyle (44:28):
I got one, and this was Here we go. Sent in on to Ducks
Unlimited Stories. And when Iwas on here and I told the
thermal story about the rake orwhatever that was, a lot of
people commented and sent usemails too about how they didn't
have quite the same experience,but something very similar. This
one, their name is Will Barnes1726. It says, when I was around

(44:51):
10 years old, me and my buddywere at his house near
Huntsville, Texas, which is inEast Texas, in a place called
Richards.
Now being a kid, we wanted to gocamping out on their land, so we
went pretty far out on theirproperty, which is about 30 or
so acres, and we made up amakeshift tent. After a couple
of hours or so, we startedhearing this blood curdling
scream. He said, we didn't knowwhat it was, but we could

(45:14):
clearly tell that it was saying,help me, which is just like the
thermal story. Remember? He saidit generally sounded like a
woman that was being attacked.
Now being stupid kids that wewere trying to be brave, we
yelled back at it. Like, we'recoming. We're coming to help or
something like that. Be rightthere. Right.
Well, he said Yeah. Once we didthat, it like, the screaming

(45:36):
started getting closer, like itstarted coming their direction,
but it was and they would yellat it again. Hold tight. You
know, we're coming to get you.And he said, it kept coming
closer to them.
He says, eventually, we startedgetting freaked out. So we kept
after it kept getting closer, wehightailed it back to his house.
We left everything back there,the everything we had at camp.
So screw it. We'll get ittomorrow.

(45:58):
He said, we went back the nextmorning and elder stuff was
screwed about, like strewnapart. Something got in there,
and they don't know they don'tknow what it is, but they said
when they heard the story of thethermal story that I told on
this show

And they don't.

Kyle (46:12):
She said they got goosebumps as soon as I said
that it said help. Help me in awoman's voice because he said,
that's exactly what weexperienced.

That's crazy. So many of these stories, the words
that are said is help me. Andit's a woman's voice.

Kyle (46:27):
For whatever reason, it Playing it probably thinks that
you're more likely to help ababy or a woman. Well, yeah. Of
course.

Cam (46:34):
Mhmm.

Clay Baird (46:34):
That that

Cam (46:35):
So I've read through all the YouTube comments

Clay Baird (46:37):
for those videos, and there are hundreds and
hundreds of them. And there area lot of stories where they
don't tell the full story, butthat they had similar
experiences where somethingyelled help in a woman's voice.

Kyle (46:48):
Yeah. And, like, in the Northeast, they they have a
thing called the, which is likea nature spirit, and that's
exactly what it is. It's a tricktrickster. It tries to lure you
in. And up there, in the nativeAmerican folklore, they're like,
do not follow the voice becauseit's gonna lead you to
somewhere.

Clay Baird (47:02):
I mean, we do the same thing. You know, hunters,
they they're calling they'recalling deer. They're calling
ducks. They're calling whatever.Right?
They're calling turkeys in. So

Cam (47:10):
When you call in predators Yeah. You gotta use what baits
them in. Yeah. What I the thething that's the most unsettling
to me as we've collected allthese stories is we've seen an
uptick of people having thesekind of encounters more than
anything else now in the woods.Like, they're getting to be a
lot more of hunters, especiallyout there because they're in

(47:33):
remote areas.
They've got the thermals orthey've got the night vision
where they can find it, whateverit is. There's more and more
people having these. And I'mlike, I didn't realize that
there was that many of that outthere. Like, it's Bigfoot has
never bothered me. The idea ofseeing it or if it was that's
one of those things I'm like,dude, if I was to see one, I
probably would never tellanybody.
Yeah. But it would be amazing tobe like, alright. Now I know.

(47:55):
Like, that's awesome. Now Iknow.
Yeah. But this isn't like that.Bigfoot, Kyle and I've always
joked about, feels like a foresthippie. Like, it's there to be
like a regulator of mothernature. Like, that's what it
feels like.
It's for something. These,whatever this is, just feels
like pure evil. Like, that'sjust it just feels like

Clay Baird (48:18):
It's trying to hurt you.

Cam (48:19):
It it is. It's try it's feeding off something, whether
it's emotion or whether it's aphysical piece of you it's
trying to feed off of. I don'tknow. But it doesn't it's not
like anything else that we'vecovered. No.
None of these things because ofthat crying out, that help me,
that calling, that drawing youin.

Kyle (48:37):
And there are cases in other countries like in Japan, I
can't think of the name of itright now, but they have a
similar thing where and theylike for whatever reason, it
likes to lure women into thesea. They'll they'll make it
look like a drowning baby Yeah.Or a child, and so a woman will
hear that and see it, andthey'll run out into the ocean
to try to save the drowningchild, and they end up getting
drowned themselves. And it'slike, what is tricking people

(48:59):
into doing that? But it'splaying off your emotions.

Cam (49:01):
Yeah. Well, I got one still from East Texas from
Nacogdoches. Yep. Vabido sendsthat says that I live in
Nacogdoches to be exact and thatthere's a spring fed creek
behind my house called theAlazon Bayou. I was walking it
one day looking for arrowheads,and I hear what I can only
describe as a grown manscreaming, wow, and then taking

(49:27):
a huge rock and smashing it upagainst the tree three times,
tree knock.
Boom. Boom. Boom. He says, I'min a creek bed and whatever is
doing this is up and out of thefloodplain about 200 yards from
me. So so I make a decision justto just to keep walking.
I make it another couple bendsaround the creek, I'm not
finding any artifacts at thispoint and the thing that made

(49:49):
its noise did it again exceptthis time in the exact same
spot. So he's getting more andcloser to it and it is still
standing there making all thisracket. So turned around, booked
it. Says to this day, it's oneof the weirdest things that I've
ever heard in the woods besidessomebody one time whistling at
me at night. Well, you get intothe whistling stories.

(50:11):
Your son. It happened to my son.It happened to my son in like
2017, 2016, 2017 on a mule deerhunt in New Mexico and he told
me he got back right after whenit happened and he called me and
he was like, so I'm standing inthe middle of nowhere. He said,
I know it's in the middle ofnowhere because it's him and his
cousin and my two brother inlaws. And he's like, we've been

(50:34):
hiking this whole time outthere, not seeing anything, you
know, a few deer of course, butnot people.
Yeah. He said he was in a littledraw and at first he said, I
thought it was a bird. Somethingstarted whistling and he said he
looks around and he was like,well, it's not a bird. He said
then the he realizes the whistlehas I don't even know how you
would put it, context. Intent.
Exactly. Like there's a reasonfor it. So then he thinks, well,

(50:57):
it's my it's his uncle. So hestarts looking around like,
well, maybe he's He startwhistling back. Yeah.
So right. He said, I'm notseeing him. There's nothing. He
goes, as it continues towhistle, I look and he said,
it's in a bush. He says, like acluster of brush and it's like
this scrub brush and it's in thescrub.
He said, so I walk to the scrublike, where's this bird? There's

(51:17):
not a bird. He said, he walksaround looking and he goes,
there's nothing in there makingthis sound or this whistle. So
he said, I'll just play it realcool. I'm nonchalant, start
walking off.
Another one, he said, ithappened a few times while he
was out there in different spotsbut that was like the main one
and there was never anythingthere. It was just a random
whistle and we have receivednumerous tales of whistling. We

(51:44):
got one not long ago where therewas a couple, I believe it was a
man and his fiance was hikingand he reported hearing
whistling to her. Turns aroundand says like, did you hear that
whistling? She said, I've beenhearing it for like ten minutes.
And he was like, why did you sayanything? She goes, I thought
you were ignoring it. He goes, Ijust heard it. She goes, well,

(52:05):
how am I hearing it for tenminutes and you've just now
heard it? And he goes, I don'tknow but where do you think it
come from?
And she pointed to the tops ofthe trees and he goes, that's
exactly what I thought. It'scoming from the tops of the
trees. He goes, like birds. Hegoes, but there's no birds. He
goes, we watch and walk.
He goes, the whistling's coming.Nothing. Insanely thing I

(52:26):
thought glimmer man. Somethinginvisible in those trees messing
with you. Well, now after whatwe heard about these crawlers
and these rakes, maybe it'sthem.
Imagine if those things in thedaytime could blend themselves
like a squid or a chameleon. Ifthey could just wrap up into a
treetop and turn into that aninsect and maybe that's what

(52:48):
they're closely related to, somesort of insect. I don't know.

Clay Baird (52:52):
So for our audience, can you guys explain what
glimmer man is?

Cam (52:56):
So glimmer man, for for everybody besides Matt that's
seen the movie Predator, theywere gonna have to he's gonna
watch it after this. So theywere tales that we received we
found years ago, and then westarted talking about it, and
then it kinda grew, is we wouldreceive tales of people seeing

(53:16):
invisible beings. So it wouldlook like something you could
remotely say or roughly say justlike the predator when he was
cloaked in that film. You cansee the outline of a humanoid,
and it is somewhat magnifiedaround the edges as it bends the
light. Imagine if you'relooking, I guess, like a little
cellophane guy almost, butthat's what it was.

(53:37):
And then Kyle and I just therewere several names. We just
decided to stick with we justalways called it glimmer man
because we like the name, and sowe just kept it at that. And
then we And we

Kyle (53:46):
like the Steven Seagal movie.

Cam (53:47):
Oh, yeah. It's Kyle's fate. And it was a a few stories at
first. And when I see a few, Imean, like, probably six. Yeah.

Kyle (53:55):
They would just trickle in. Find.

Cam (53:57):
And then as it started getting where people would find
out, oh, there's more, westarted getting more and more
stories of, like, I saw that in1986. I saw that in 1975. I saw
and then it goes back to whereyou would have accounts back
from, like, the fifties andsixties of people reporting
Before

Kyle (54:14):
the

Cam (54:14):
movie. Thing. Way before the movie. And now tell them the
strange part about the movie.

Kyle (54:18):
About the connection with the producer? Yeah. So I didn't
find this out till years lateron researching for the book that
we now have that it's gonna becoming out. It's not out yet,
but it's gonna be out shortly.The guy that created the special
effect for the predator and itscloaking was a guy named Joel
Heineck.
Well, Joel Heineck, dad his dadis J. Allen Heineck, who's the

(54:40):
famous researcher of UFOs. Hewas one of those scientists that
was employed by the governmentto start looking into some of
these UFO cases, and he wasagainst it. He didn't believe
it. But the more and more peoplehe interviewed, the more and
more over time, he became a 100%believing in the UFO phenomenon.
So I always wondered, did hisdad ever tell his son something

(55:01):
about a cloaked being and thenhis son was like, I know. That's
what we'll do in this movie.Because the movie's about an
alien that comes to planet Earthto hunt. And he's like, I know
what we'll do. We'll make itlook like that.
But, yeah, we've got all kindsof stories.

That's crazy.

Clay Baird (55:15):
And so, like, me and him We'll get more too. After
people hear

Cam (55:18):
this, we're

Clay Baird (55:18):
gonna get

Kyle (55:19):
more. Yeah. We're we're definitely gonna

Cam (55:21):
Now I will say this. The majority of the stories of the
glimmer man, I don't recall anyof them being evil. Any of them
like, being there is there'ssome where people have reported
actually seeing it in theirhome. Now we don't know, but the
ones outside. The ones where youget in the outdoors, it's not
like the rake.

(55:41):
It truly is. It's watching. It'slike an observer. He's curious.
Yeah.
Or is Kinda Or is it some sortof yeah. Like, is it is it a
guardian angel type effect ofthis thing watching you where
you're at? Like, I don't know.They also report them in
different sizes. We have heardreports of them small, where
they're, like, childlike sizesall the way up to large.
The other really weird thing isis lots of times they say you

(56:03):
will see these things movingthrough the trees, but the trees
don't react to the weight of thesize of that thing that it
should be.

Kyle (56:09):
Right. Like, it's standing on too thin of a limb. It should
be bending if something wasstanding on it.

Cam (56:14):
But it's not

Kyle (56:14):
And we've had cases of people that heard about the
glimmer man. They didn't call itthe glimmer man. They called it
the watcher because they said mywhole life Yeah. I would see
this thing sporadically, and I'dbe like, oh, that's the watcher.
So like just like he was saying,is it a guardian angel?

Cam (56:27):
Right.

Kyle (56:27):
Is it a ghost? Is it a demon? Is it as wacky as I've
heard it is it's us, a timetraveler, who's coming back and
wanting to see what it lookslike now, and they've got the
ability to cloak themselves.Like, if I had the ability to go
back to ancient Egypt and walkaround invisible to everybody
around you, who wouldn't dothat?

Cam (56:44):
I'd do it in fifteen minutes.

Kyle (56:45):
Or is it like something bleeding through from a like,
the matrix like we talk about?So nobody really knows, but we
got these stories. If you want,I got one.

Clay Baird (56:53):
Let's hear it.

Kyle (56:54):
Okay. So this took place many years ago in Georgia. He
said it took place over fortyseven years ago in the 1978. It
was deer season in particular.Now he talked about how he
walked around this area.
He said it was Southeast end ofthe Chattahoochee National
Forest. He said that it's athere's a national forest up
there, and the road is in anarea called Cooper's Creek.

(57:16):
That's where this hunting spotwas. He said he'd been scouting
it and hunting it for years. Sohe went out in early July,
August, walked around, waslooking for a good spot or at
least a spot he thought would begood, and he's like, I'm gonna
hang my ladder stand here.
I'm gonna hunt with my shotgun,and this is where I'm gonna do
it. So he did it, he said, firstcouple of hunts happened,
nothing really happened. He saidon his sixth hunt, it was late

(57:38):
afternoon. It was about 04:15PM.He said he wanted to get there
earlier, but at work, they hiredthis new guy named Ryan, and
Ryan was just making stuff slow.
So he finished work at 05:00.This was his typical thing. On
Fridays

Cam (57:51):
Go, Ryan.

Kyle (57:52):
His wife knows that he's going hunting, and so every
Friday when he gets off work, hegoes doesn't go home. He has all
his stuff ready to go. He goesstraight to the hunting spot.
His wife his wife knows thatshe'll have dinner ready about
9PM because she knows what helikes to do because if, you
know, if he gets something, he'sprobably gonna be later.
Anyways, so he went out thereand he said he was walking to
his stand, and the first thinghe noticed that seemed off was

(58:15):
how quiet it was.
And we talk about this in a lotof different sightings. It's
called like the Oz effect iswhat they call it, where all the
normal sounds, all the normalcritters in the woods, it's like
completely quiet. We alwaysthink not even paranormally, but
like, is there a mountain lionin the area? There's a predator
around. That's why everything'sshutting up.
He says, man, it was reallyquiet. He said, I didn't hear

(58:36):
the usual chirping or thesinging of songbirds, no
insects, nothing, just a slightbreeze. He said he thought it
was strange, but he continued tohis deer stand. He said he
finally arrived, he climbed up,and he settled in. He said once
he was comfortable, he jackedaround into the chamber, he put
the safety on his shotgun, andhe just began sitting there
surveying his surroundings andlooking for anything that looked

(58:58):
out of place.
He said, like, you know,sometimes deer bed down all day
and then you can spot theirantlers above the tall grass
before they get up. You know,he's just bored. Right? All of
us have been there. He said ashe was doing this, all of sudden
started to get this ominousfeeling that somebody was
watching him.
He's like, I don't know how toexplain it other than I just had
this deep feeling deep within inmy core, in my gut that

(59:23):
someone's out here, someone'sout here with me, and they're,
like, staring at me. He's like,I don't know. He said the whole
time, he stopped he he tried toconvince himself that he's being
a coward, and he kept on in hismind, he kept on having to get
in himself like, there's nothingout here, idiot. There's just
deer, some squirrels, skunks,you know. But he said, as time
passed, the odd feeling, it onlyintensified.

(59:46):
He said, I kept looking at mywatch, wondering how much more
time I had left until dusk. He'slike, should I leave early? And
then he's like, man, I'm notgonna move because something big
will come in. As soon as I starttrying to get down, this when
the big bucks gonna come in.Right?
He said all of a sudden on hisright side, he noticed
something. He noticed somethingup in the tree canopy, and he's
like, that's when I saw it. Hesaid, this part gives me chills

(01:00:09):
even writing you guys. This nowfreaks me out because I don't
know what I saw. He said, as Iwas staring into the trees, I
saw what looked like a largebodybuilder moving through them,
but it was completely blurry.
He said, I could clearly see thefigure's outline, but the rest
is like is like I couldn't focuson it. He said it looked like it

(01:00:30):
was transparent, like agelatinous blob, but in the
shape of a human being. Andwhenever it would stop, it would
be completely camouflaged. Hesaid, I'd lost sight of it. I
could only see it when it moved.
He said this thing blended intoits background perfectly. He
said, I watched it, what seemedlike an eternity, but probably
was only fifteen minutes. Hesaid it moved through the trees

(01:00:52):
effortlessly like a monkey or asquirrel would. He said, it
never looked at me, but I gotthe feeling that someone was
watching me. I said, I don'tknow.
It slowly moved off. He said,was scared, and when I finally
lost sight of it, I climbeddown. It was getting dark, and I
slowly got out of there. Hesaid, once I hit the ground and
got about 50 yards away from myhunting spot, then I started

(01:01:13):
picking up pace, and I moved allthe way to my pickup truck. He
said, my lungs were on fire.
He said, that's the farthest andthe fastest I've run since basic
training, and that was in 1967.He said, I sat there in my truck
and tried to regain my breath. Idrove home and I didn't say
anything to my wife, well, atleast not for weeks. He says, as
time passed, I tried to convincemyself that, man, I imagined

(01:01:35):
that all, that I I dozed offwhile I was in the tree stand,
and I had some kind of crazydream. He said, but I couldn't
get the idea of this thing outof my head.
So finally, one night overdinner, I broke down, and I told
my wife about it. She justlistened. At the end, she said,
man, it was probably just yourimagination. I later told my
brother who said something verysimilar to her. He said, I never

(01:01:57):
told anyone else.
Never. He said, I never wenthunting in those same woods
again. I never went back to thatget that tree stand. Like, I
just left it there. He's like,it was only a $300 stand.
I don't care.

Cam (01:02:06):
Like, I'm leaving it.

Kyle (01:02:07):
He's like, no. I didn't quit hunting. He said, I took a
break for about ten years, butthen I started up again, but
never in that area. He saidlater, in 1988, he saw the
Arnold Schwarzenegger movie, thepredator. He said, I couldn't
believe it when I saw it.
Soon as I saw it, I jumped upand yelled at my wife, that's
it. That's what I saw. He said,it looks just like it. He's

(01:02:29):
like, I don't know if the writerhad a similar experience as mine
and that's what inspired him tomake the predator cloak the way
he did, but it looked exactlylike that. Now this happened in
the 1978 in Georgia.
He said, I thought I was aloneuntil you guys did the episode
on the glimmer man, and now Irealize that others have seen it
too. He said, I don't know ifthat makes me feel better or

(01:02:50):
worse, but that's my story,James. So this happened before
the movie.

Cam (01:02:55):
Yeah. He didn't know what

Kyle (01:02:57):
he saw, and that's what happens with a lot of these
people. And when they write usas if we're experts, we're like,
we don't know what you saweither.

Cam (01:03:04):
Mm-mm.

Kyle (01:03:05):
It could be a list of things.

Clay Baird (01:03:06):
Yeah. It makes you wonder, like, have we seen these
things too?

Cam (01:03:11):
Mean, he just walked by. We just walked right by.

Kyle (01:03:13):
Well and that's what happens. Some of these stories,
he's like, if it's not moving,you can't see it. It, like,
blends in perfectly. It's onlylike when you catch movement.
Our eyes are, as predators, aremeant to pick up movement.
I mean, I don't know how manytimes I'm hunting. It's really
dark. I won't notice the pigsthere till I see them move. I'm
like, oh,

Cam (01:03:27):
see the tail twitch or an ear move, and you're like,

Kyle (01:03:30):
oh, there's one in there.

Matt Harrison (01:03:33):
So is the blurriness and is the when when
they're not able to really fixon it, do you think that's the
persons that's having troublevisualizing it?

Cam (01:03:44):
Or doing it something to them? To them?

Or do you think it's actually what it is they're
seeing that's

Cam (01:03:50):
I think it's actually what they're seeing because we don't
have any accounts of them seeingit shift out of that. We don't
have anybody saying, I saw it gofrom invisible to what it is
when it's not invisible. It'sjust always like that.

Okay.

Cam (01:04:04):
No and so I don't know. But I do. There may be some other
things that do that. I like theidea of that. Like, it might be
affecting your ass up becauseBigfoot, they've always
speculated that it usesinfrasound Mhmm.
Right, to affect people and givethem these crazy feelings.
Speaking of crazy

Kyle (01:04:17):
Well, some people even say that the is Bigfoot, that that's
Bigfoot cloaking itself. Butthen it doesn't make sense that
it's walking around up in thetrees.

Yeah. And not bending

Cam (01:04:25):
Yeah. Some people is what makes it light as a feather.
Right?

Kyle (01:04:28):
Well and people say that it's our military. Like, it's
high-tech camouflage. And couldyou

pick it up on thermal?

Cam (01:04:34):
That's a good point. That's a

Kyle (01:04:35):
good point. I wonder if you could. People don't ever
look for them because at night,you'd never see it.

Cam (01:04:39):
Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. See it. Look.
I got one I have to share. Thismight be the best one Oh, boy.
Of the whole thing. Kay Fiskalwrites this, and this took place
on a canoeing trip in theRappadan River. This is where
the Rappadan meets theRappahancock, I guess, where
this place is.
It was his it was him. Well, hehas the canoe rental there. So

(01:05:02):
it was him and three buddies. Hesaid before they got there, one
of his buddies says, I need totell you a story that takes
place on this river about anaked yeti that walks these
rocks at dusk.

I'm over here.

Cam (01:05:15):
Right? That's and I'm like, you've got my full attention. He
said, we started making fun ofhim, calling him a liar, just
basically being buddies, baggingon him. He said, so we get down
where we're going. We get ourcamp set up.
Sun's going down, it's thegolden hour, it's beautiful,
we're cooking hot dogs, and wehear something. He said, as we
turn to look, there he is thebiggest, most naked man

(01:05:40):
laughing, walking across theboulders, waving, just living
his best life. Apparently, theguy lives down near the river
and just likes to go out nudejust every now and

Kyle (01:05:50):
again in

Cam (01:05:50):
the evenings. Just an old hippie. Goodness. And there's
the naked yeti. So let's goahead and lighten it up a little
bit with a naked guy on theriver, yeti waving.

Well, Kyle and Cam, thank y'all both so much
for coming.

Cam (01:06:02):
Having us, man.

Also, thanks to everyone that submitted these
stories. Continue to submitbecause without you guys, we
don't we don't have

these.

Cam (01:06:09):
And they just keep getting crazier and creepier. Like, man,
I feel bad for everybody thathas these kind of things.

Kyle (01:06:15):
And don't feel bad if we didn't get to your story, which
we got so many. So we're herefor four hours.

So Yeah. Yeah. We're do extra episodes.

Cam (01:06:21):
And if

it didn't get to to us, tell them where they can
send

Kyle (01:06:24):
them to y'all. You could send them to
expandedperspectives@Yahoo.com,or you could call our hotline
(888) 393-2783. And, like, we'regonna we're gonna catalog all
these stories, so maybe the nexttime if yours didn't get written
or read on this show, then itmight in the future. Feel free
to send them to you, DucksUnlimited or us because we will
be cataloging them. That's howthe Glimmer Man book came to be.

Cam (01:06:45):
Yep. That's how works.

Kyle (01:06:45):
Just kept saving all the stories. And then one day we
looked up, man, we got a 100 ofthese things.

Cam (01:06:50):
Look at that.

What what if they want the glimmer man book? I
know I'm gonna get a copy of it.

Kyle (01:06:53):
I don't know the details of where they can buy it yet.
It's the editors. It's been sentto the editors, so I don't know
how long that process is gonnatake. They told us it should be
done by Christmas, but it mightbe done earlier. Once I find out
I know we've already had lots ofpeople wanting to preorder them,
and I'm like, look.
We don't I don't even know wherethey're I mean, this is gonna be
on Amazon and everything. Yeah.It's just not out yet.

Cam (01:07:13):
I'm sure we're actually gonna do the audiobook.

Oh, really? Yeah.

Cam (01:07:16):
We're gonna do an audiobook. That'll be

audiobook too.

Kyle (01:07:18):
Yeah. They want us to voice it.

Cam (01:07:19):
Yeah. Yeah. That'll be awesome, man. I love that. I
don't know

Kyle (01:07:23):
how long that will take, but I imagine we just take turns
reading them.

Cam (01:07:25):
Yeah. Yeah. That'd be nice. Yeah.

Wow. Well, thank you all again for coming. I also
wanna thank our podcastproducer, mister Chris Isaac.
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