October 11, 2025 • 29 mins
Mike Stewart, owner of Wildrose Kennels, joins host Chris Jennings to share some of his best tips for traveling with your retriever. The two discuss safety concerns, health tips, and some of the most important things to avoid when taking your retriever on the road.
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Chris Jennings (02:16):
Joining me today is owner and operator of Wild
Rose Kennels, Mike Stewart.Mike, welcome back to the show.
Mike Stewart (02:22):
Great to be here, Chris. Thanks for having me.
Chris Jennings (02:24):
And I asked Mike to join me on the show today to
talk about one thing that Ireally enjoy doing. I know I
know Mike does as well istraveling. I enjoy traveling. I
also enjoy traveling with myretriever. And I know that Mike,
throughout decades of oftraining and and owning Wild
Rose, has traveled all over theworld pretty much and has some
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really great tips for people toget their dogs to and from
places safely in a variety ofdifferent ways and a variety of
tips.
And and and, Mike, I kindawanted you to provide a quick
little introduction. We hadtalked offline about you travel
around in your Earth Roamer, andsome people have, you know, RVs
and campers and trailers andstuff. And you guys, you know,
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can travel around in a smalllittle group, but everyone has
their dogs, and there'sdifferent things that that you
guys all do. And kind of explainthat process of how and why
you're traveling so much withyour retrievers.
Mike Stewart (03:20):
I'll be glad to do that. It's one of my favorite
things to do is travel my withmy dog, and we call them
destination dogs or overlandingwith gun dogs, whatever tag you
wanna put on them. And I thoughtit's so important. When I wrote
my book years ago, I did achapter on the destination gun
dog, on how to travel with yourdog. And it's it's become so
popular, especially in the lastfew years.
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I started in 02/2012. It wasactually the Ducks and Laminate
Convention in Nashville. I gotreally interested out going out
to an RV place, and I got boughta truck camper when I was at the
convention and loaded it on theback of the truck, and I started
traveling to all my gun dogtrips and my shows I was doing.
It was just so convenient tohave all my gear there and a
trailer with the dogs in theback and the guns properly
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stored, and you don't have tounload to go into a hotel. And,
you know, think about how thelittle sleep I would get worried
about the dogs and the guns andthe quick gear out on the trucks
sitting in a parking lot that Iwas very relieved to have my own
rig traveling across thecountry.
And then that migrated into abigger rig, which I have now.
It's a five fifty Ford selfcontained. There's 90 gallons of
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diesel, 90 gallons of water,solar powered, and basically
stay off off grid for as long asfifteen days. So it's basically
a a great hunting mobilehunting. People say, what is
that?
I said, it's a mobile huntinglodge. It's got a four wheel
drive. All the rigs I've hadhave had four wheel drive. It
just makes a great way to travelaround with the dogs. And by the
way, the dogs absolutely loveit.
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They got their own little spottoo.
Chris Jennings (04:51):
Yeah. And that's, you know, that's one
thing that that I've, you know,kind of struggled with my dog
now. She's she's much older. Imean, she doesn't really even do
much anymore, but she you know,we had to kinda introduce her to
my RV and, you know, introducingher to where she's going to lay
and where she's going to sit.And for it's an older dog, so
it's a little bit of a more of aprocess.
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But kind of kind of explain howyou transport your dogs. And
then also, you know, I know youhave trailers and things like
that. And and what are some ofthe best and safest ways to
transport retrievers?
Mike Stewart (05:21):
Okay. We'll talk about those in sort of different
dimensions. Let's start with theRV. My in my case, I was I was
so into it that when I had thethe Earthwormer's custom built,
they build it any way you want.It has no back seat.
I built a dog platform with agun slip underneath the dogs,
and then you can slide twocrates in or two dog beds in at
night. They can sleep sleepright behind you. They can ride
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right behind you with you're inthe coal power on the front
seats. It's it's a walk through,goes through the back. Some
people put their crates in theback.
We have one of our clients has abig class a. They took the kid
kid bumps and put crates inthem, and they anchor them down,
they glow the dogs in there.Some people use toy haulers,
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gooseneck, bumper hitch trailersis the toy that carries, like,
motorcycles and four wheelers inthe back. Well, they couldn't
work the whole back into doghills. They have an indoor space
full of air conditioning,heated.
I mean, that's that's the luxurytravel for any kind of. So you
can convert these things in somany ways to carry them. One of
our guys down here that does a aservice dog, he took a Mercedes
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Sprinter and put two crates inthe back and a little bulk above
it of them so he can sleep, andit's totally I got solar panels
on it to power all his resourceswhen he stops. Nice little
diesel engine. Think it's about18 miles a gallon.
Four wheel drive can goanywhere. So, you know, that's
one dimension. But what aboutthe other guy that has the
pickup? When I travel in mytruck, the enemy there is cold
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and heat. Not so much cold, butit drives me crazy for summer
travel when we have to pull outplaces in Colorado.
One that we're struggling withright now is the DU, expo event
coming up in in June. We'regonna have eight to 10 dogs out
there, and temperatures intravel time will be during the
day would be a 100 degrees. Howdo you travel with that heat?
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And do not, on anycircumstances, leave a dog
locked in a vehicle. Even if youthink I got the air conditioning
engine running, what if a cartruck goes dead?
They don't last very long. Itwill it was certainly the kill
your dog. Heat would build up sofast in auto, and I I just gotta
throw a warning out to that. Soyou have to think about really
the safety of the dog whenyou're traveling in a pickup or
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a van. It's best to put theminside a crate and be very
mindful of the heat.
Chris Jennings (07:41):
Even with that, you've kind of mentioned, kind
of alluded to, you know, justyour average retriever owner
with a pickup truck. You know,you've talked a lot about, you
know, dogs injuring themselvesgetting in and out of the back
of a truck. So if you've gotyour dog in a crate in the back,
what's your recommendation forgetting him in and out? Are you
picking that dog up every time?
Mike Stewart (08:01):
Most of the time, especially a younger dog and an
older dog, like, Deke doesn'tjump anymore. He used to jump in
and out of the truck. But someof our trucks are so far off the
ground now that when they bailout, there's a lot of impact in
the joints when they're landingon a asphalt. So you gotta be
very careful with that. They betmake commercial ramps where they
can go up and down.
But a young puppy less than 15of age, I do not like to see
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them jumping in and out ofvehicles and much older dogs,
they don't like to see thateither. So if you choose to do
it when the dogs are younger,you have to be very careful with
that because the impact on thosejoints can cause you some severe
problems.
Chris Jennings (08:37):
You know, one thing that that we've talked
about a lot in past shows isfeeding. When you're on the
road, you know, when you'retraveling, I mean, even for
humans, your feeding schedulegets jacked up. Next thing you
know, you're stocked atMcDonald's, and you don't wanna
eat at McDonald's. Yeah. Butfor, you know, a dog, it can get
that same way, you know, thetactics of travel.
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What are you how do you maintainthat consistency with feeding,
and and how do you do that whenyou're traveling with your dog?
Mike Stewart (09:05):
Well, that's a really good question because we
have an entire process. Abouttwo weeks before we begin our
trips, we're gonna start feedingon the exact schedule that I
would be likely stopping in theevening. Because dogs are all
about routine. I don't knowabout your dog, but Dee can tell
time. I've never seen a thing.
Hey. You hear me travelingalong, and at 02:30 when he
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normally eats, he likes to eatat 03:00. Boop. There's a head
pops up. He knows exactly whattime it is.
So if I'm gonna stop at five,I've got to get him on a pre
schedule. I want him popping upat 03:00, riding down the road,
and we got two more hours oftravel. Right? He's back to
staring at me in the rearviewmirror. So I'm gonna get them on
a schedule.
The second thing I'm gonna do isstart floating the food. Dogs
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don't take in enough water. Andwhen they're traveling,
sometimes they're stressed, andthey just don't drink enough
water. So float the food,meaning you put a small amount
of water in with the fluid.Don't overflood the whole pan.
Put enough water in it,especially when you're hunting.
They just we're gonna really getthe dog on the the feeding
schedule and the wateringschedule with a routine. Karina
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makes a great product calledFloraFlora. You can see it on
the website. It's a probiotic.
It feels it's a it juststabilizes the digestive system
really well. If you'll startthat about two weeks, sprinkling
it on the feet, it's a littlepacket. And through the whole
trip, use that, you reallystabilize that dog's gut. That
helps a lot of regularity. Sowe're gonna start with routine
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on a schedule.
And people wanna know, should Istop? About the time you need to
stop, three to four hours, isabout the time the average dog
needs to get out and relievethemselves. Be careful where you
stop. Roadside, the dog can dartout in an instant before you
actually know what's going on.So be careful that you've got
the dog.
A lot of places don't even wanta off lead. Have you ever
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accustomed to your dog got yourdog acclimated to relieving
themselves on a lead? A lot ofthem won't do it. You gotta
practice that before you go. Andanother little tip, a lot of
times when we travel acrosscountry, we'll put, like, an
orange collar on the dog withtheir telephone number in case
we're we're auto wrecked.
At least people will know who tocontact. If the dog got out
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accidentally, which is how thedoor came open, the dog got out,
you drove off from a, like, aservice station, would someone
know how to contact you? Andthere people would know that
that is a is not a stray dog. Itis somebody's dog. So that's a
great great precautionary tip toput in there.
Chris Jennings (11:35):
Now here's a question for you. You know, I
see a lot of people at truckstops or at, you know, rest
areas wherever they're stopping,and they've got that bumper out
and they're throwing things forthe you know, but, obviously,
it's in a safer area. There'snot traffic or anything. But do
you recommend, you know, doingsome training in between travel
if if you have the opportunity?
Mike Stewart (11:55):
Absolutely. I wouldn't use the truck stop.
There's lots of things that goon at truck stops, including
chicken bones that are thrownout, diesel fuel on the ground,
antifreeze, the dogs will lap upand just, you know, it's deadly
to a dog. There's too much stuffaround there. I don't even like
to use truck stops in placeslike that to air the dog.
But traveling down the road,there's all kinds of nice places
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you could pull over to the sideof the road and work your dog.
And that's a really good thingif you're traveling back from a
hunt. Say you're in the Deltaand see a nice rice field out
there. There's nothing noproblem pulling over the side
the road, walk down the littleside road, get them off the main
highway, pitch you out a coupleof bumpers out there. I have no
real problem with that.
Just have to be careful aboutlocal traffic, and you have to
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be careful about garbage, if youwill, left in the, surrounding
areas. People you know, dogsjump off into it and just make a
mess. It can be dang and evendangerous.
Chris Jennings (12:47):
Absolutely. Yeah. You wanna be careful.
Well, I said truck stops, butdefinitely avoid the truck
stops. That was a bad idea.
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Chris Jennings (14:57):
One of the other things that we talk about with a
lot of people is is thedifferent gear that, you know
and and you may keep it allconsistent with the same things,
but, know, there's tons ofdifferent products out there for
different traveling assistanceor whether it's different types
of crates or anything like this.Is there anything you recommend
for someone like, even if it'sjust a crate pad for a dog
that's riding in the back of thetruck in a crate, are those some
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of the things that you recommendto people who are taking some
longer trips?
Mike Stewart (15:23):
Yeah. I I work it through my list of mistakes.
Okay? So I didn't do. One is apad.
You know, that's the rough ridedown the road. We use we use
pads that insert even in ourtrailers to give some
cushioning. I don't really likeputting pads like foam or
anything in there like that thatcan get soiled and wet, but a
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rubber type pad works wellbecause, you know, they get mold
and mildew and everything else.And second thing is take the
dog's meds. Take plenty of medsand take too much dog food.
If you're gonna be gone fourdays, take six days. You never
know when you're break down on atruck. Dog's gonna have a
problem. You're gonna get stuckin traffic or whatever it may
be. You need to have enough foodto eat.
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Way more food than you actuallythink you need to take with you.
Because you don't really wannaswitch that dog food in the
middle of a trip. And that canreally destabilize the gut. Next
thing I wanna do is take localwater. I'll take a couple of
jugs of my own water just so Idon't switch the water.
So they're used to my water. Idon't wanna use some well water
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at a campsite or something offthe side of the road, at a truck
stop or an RV I mean, a roadsidepark. You never know where that
water's coming from. Alright?It's got any contaminants in it
or not, so I worry about that.
We also wanted to make sure wehave a fully stocked first aid
kit. Your vet can help you withthat. I have one for sale at
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uklabs.com, and you click on aRyder's Trading Company, have a
basic little kit there that youcan add some things with, with
things like aspirin, Rimadyl,things to solve diarrhea, such
as pep liquid Pepto Bismol. Thepeeled Pepto Bismol, it's a
little more convenient, but it'sslow acting. I use the liquid
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liquid Pepto Bismol if we have alittle diarrhea, and I get that
frequently when we starttraveling dogs to get a little
upset.
When we get into crates, have agood crash proof crate. Make
sure you've got a cover. Younever know when you get in bad
weather. You'd think it's prettyhot. I don't need it, but then
the next thing you know, you'rein a storm.
And always anchor that crate,especially if it's in the back
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of the truck. Anchor it very,very securely in case you hit
something. That crate does notbecome a flying object. And we
all like to have our dogs ridingbehind us in the the back seat.
If you have an impact, head onimpact or rear end impact, that
dog's become a become going tobecome a projectile.
So you need to make sure thatdog is anchored in something
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safe when you're travelingacross
Chris Jennings (17:51):
There's a million different ways to
travel, you know, on land,obviously, whether it's the RV
or the truck or just the back ofthe truck, back of the pickup.
But, you know, let's talk aboutair travel. You know, that's
something that, you know, not awhole lot of people do, but I do
know I do know some guys thatfly their dog around to hunt.
What are some recommendationsyou have for people who who may
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call you and say, hey. I'm gonnago on a hunt in, you know,
Texas.
I'm gonna fly there. You know, Iwanna take my dog. What do I
need to be aware of?
Mike Stewart (18:20):
Well, let's talk private and commercial.
Chris Jennings (18:23):
I would say more than likely commercial in this
instance.
Mike Stewart (18:26):
Number one is you're gonna have to have a
health certificate. Make mostairlines are gonna require a
health certificate that is nomore than five days old before
you show up with the airline.You need a flight certified
crate. A lot of the cratesyou're running around with that
are they're popular these days,they're not flight certified. So
you have to check with theairline and make sure you have a
flight flight certified crate.
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Most of the time, sell them, butthey're rather expensive when
you go to the airlines to do it.Prebook your flight, make sure
that I really have to watchabout now, there's so many
connecting flights. When you'rebooking your flight, we'll look
at the connections. How long arethey gonna be pulled off that
plane? How many connections youhave?
The more connections, the morechance you're losing your dog.
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And, generally, the major aircarriers that I've worked with
are very they're they're moreworried about losing a dog. They
get worse publicity of losing adog than they do losing you. So
they they're they're prettymeticulous about the dogs. I've
only had a couple and we importa lot of dogs from The UK.
I've only had a a couple ofproblems that the dogs got to
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the wrong location. Sometimesthey would come to Memphis and
end up in Philadelphia, butthat's very, very rare. So
generally, they they do the aircarriers do a good job. Some of
them even pick the dogs up fromyou at at cargo not cargo, at at
baggage, and they carry the dogall the way through for you. You
don't generally ship the dogcargo as you're flying with
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them.
You're gonna ship them baggage,and you gotta make sure your
airline does that. So some ofthe airplanes that fly now don't
have that much baggage to pull.So some of it, you well, you may
not be able to get to some ofthe destinations you wanna go
to, such as in Canada and someof the smaller airports out
West. They just don't have thecapacity to carry the the dogs
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in in cargo. So you have to youhave to prebook those things.
Chris Jennings (20:17):
Now And you wanna be careful flying in
somewhere that's really coldtoo. I mean, I know I've had
conversations about this withpeople, you know, flying into
Canada. You know, you you haveto be careful about, you know,
where that dog is gonna be at onthe plane when it's loaded on
the plane because it can getvery cold.
Mike Stewart (20:34):
Two ways to look at it. The heat will get you
that happened to me in the Southone time. I was out on the job
on a show, and it it was too hotto fly above 85 degrees. They
won't let you dog on the plane.It also had me on DUTV Way a
long time ago with flew toCanada with Drake, the the
former Ducks Unlimited, MilesScott.
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And it was a nice going up therecoming back. It was too cold,
and I had to call a clown tocome get him. And I they said,
you'll lose your ticket. Wewon't refund your ticket. You
gotta go, but the dog can't go.
So what do you do then? Luckily,I had a client look close by. I
said, come get the dog. Webooked him later and sent him
back. So you better have abackup plan if you're flying in
the wintertime or summertimewith the dog.
Chris Jennings (21:16):
I've heard of people trying to get, like, any
calming things that people wouldgive their dog, you know,
something to get the dog kindacalmed down as it's in transit
during the flight. Do you useany of that, or do you recommend
anything like that?
Mike Stewart (21:29):
No. And if you tell the airlines you did, they
won't fly.
Chris Jennings (21:32):
That's right. That's what I was gonna say. I
wanted you to say that, but I Iwasn't quite sure. But, you
know, I've heard of peopletalking about doing that, and I
know it's probably not a verygood idea.
Mike Stewart (21:42):
And Well, the idea that that I would do is I
wouldn't feed the dog thatmorning of the flight. You know,
having going in. I'll feed himthe night before. I would have a
bag of food taped at the top ofthe crate and a bottle of water
in case they get they do have alayover, get stranded, the
aircraft won't go. They havesome food for the dog.
They have some water for thedog. I would have taped on top
with feeding instructions. Iwould have, of course, my
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telephone number would be there,you know, call for this. And I
would even have my vet'stelephone number on the on the
outside of that crate in case ofemergency call this vet. I would
have things like that.
I would never fly a dog that wasnot microchipped. So you you
identify your dog. How do youknow it's your dog? You think
the dog's separated. So that'smy dog.
You see, we'll prove it. Well,your microchip will prove it.
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And sometimes the dogs that takethem out of the crates, handle
them overnight, like, especiallyif you're flying on the longer
flights, and then put them backin the crate. What if they
switch them? And you left withthe lab and you got a mile long
when you open the gate the nextmorning.
Chris Jennings (22:42):
That
Mike Stewart (22:43):
that has actually happened to me coming from
England. They switched the dogsin the crate. And when I got
them, I didn't know them. We hadthe wrong dog for a while, and
we actually figured it out. So Igot two black males.
They were not I bought the dogs.They were shipped in, but they
were taken out overnighted andput back in the crate, but they
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switched. Bimbo wasn't Bimbo.Yeah. That that can actually
happen.
So all that stuff, all theselittle things you need to think
about is what ifs. Telephonenumbers, extra food, extra
water, medicate instructions formedication to to be taped
outside of your crate. Flyingprivate, a lot of our clients do
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that. And we there's a lot ofdestinations you can book small
planes and fly to, which is veryhandy. And people worry about
the dogs being afraid.
I've I've never seen the onebird dog in my time that was
afraid to fly. Once you get themacclimated on the plane off and
on, getting off and on the planeto get them on there, The floors
are heated on small planes.They'll lay down and go to sleep
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on the planes. Or just put themin a crate in the back, just
like a small crate, slide themin, they're fine. Don't worry
about it.
Chris Jennings (23:51):
I I personally don't hang out with a lot of
people that fly around onprivate planes, but those sound
it sounds like I I can imaginemost dogs are probably not too
concerned just like most peoplewould probably be, you know, a a
pretty easy transition into, youknow, a small private plane like
that.
Mike Stewart (24:06):
The private planes that you run into now are some
of the destinations that you goto. Like, if you're in Alaska,
you gotta put them on a floatplane like a like an otter or
something like that to fly tothe to to the lodge. When we fly
our group to The Bahamas, we flythem on Ospreys and small or
very loud prop planes. You know,it's only a two hour flight out
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of The United States into TheBahamas for fly fishing, but we
take the dogs with us. So youyou may not own your own
airstream or Gulfstream, but butyou may get into a situation
where you go to our destinationand they have to fly you to the
next step step.
So plat we we try to get ourdogs acclimated to a flight for
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in our adventure dog workshops.We have somebody come in on an
airplane and take them up, flythem around, land again just
like touch and goats.
Chris Jennings (24:56):
Yeah. It's all just introductions. You know?
It's all just like introductionto a duck boat would probably be
very similar to introducing to,you know, a small plane like
that. So it's all about thatprocess.
Now can you think of anythingelse, you know, that that people
who are traveling, you know, andmay just be traveling from the
duck blind back home, thatpeople should remember when they
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are traveling with theirretriever?
Mike Stewart (25:20):
You need to think about if you're traveling, let's
say, a duck blind and you'retaking them back home, putting
them in a crate or in thesummertime, you're taking them
from the dove field. Again, I'mgonna go back back to the the
two extremes, the heat. Heatexhaustion early in the early
season teal, upland in NorthDakota. The fields is very, very
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dangerous, far more than cold,hypothermia, cold. You've gotta
really watch the heat.
So you got a dog that's sort ofoverheated and you throw him in
the truck, put him in the backof the truck, you he could well
die. You've gotta really keepthat temperature lower on those
dogs. And then in the cold, whenthey come back out of the duck
blind, snatch that water vestoff them, dry them off really
good, and put them in a reallygood insulated crate that you
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know, the crate covers allwhat's insulated, but to keep
them dry. I've seen people goingdown the road from the duck
blind and the crate wide open,and it just bothers me a lot of
how cold that dog is in theback.
Chris Jennings (26:16):
Oh, yeah. I mean, that can that can cause
some some pretty severe damageto joints and things like that
when you get that cold too, canit?
Mike Stewart (26:22):
Exactly. And, you know, the bottom line is
traveling with the dog, thedestination dog, overland
experience with the dog is allabout routine. Get the dog on a
schedule. Dogs are creatures ofhabit. You get them on a
schedule and just do the commonsense protections such as first
aid kits, insulation for yourcrates, keeping them, keeping
the weather in mind.
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You'll be fine.
Chris Jennings (26:44):
Awesome. Well, these have been some great tips,
Mike. I appreciate you joiningme. And, as always, we're gonna
we're gonna get you back on assoon as we can.
Mike Stewart (26:51):
Great. Enjoyed
Chris Jennings (26:52):
it. I'd like to thank my guest, Mike Stewart,
the owner and operator of WildRose Kennels, for joining me
today and talking abouttraveling with your retriever.
I'd like to thank Clay Baird,our producer, for doing a great
job of getting the podcast outto you, and I'd like to thank
you, the listener, for joiningus on the DU podcast and
supporting WetlandsConservation.
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Chris Jennings (02:16):
Joining me today is owner and operator of Wild
Rose Kennels, Mike Stewart.Mike, welcome back to the show.
Mike Stewart (02:22):
Great to be here, Chris. Thanks for having me.
Chris Jennings (02:24):
And I asked Mike to join me on the show today to
talk about one thing that Ireally enjoy doing. I know I
know Mike does as well istraveling. I enjoy traveling. I
also enjoy traveling with myretriever. And I know that Mike,
throughout decades of oftraining and and owning Wild
Rose, has traveled all over theworld pretty much and has some
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really great tips for people toget their dogs to and from
places safely in a variety ofdifferent ways and a variety of
tips.
And and and, Mike, I kindawanted you to provide a quick
little introduction. We hadtalked offline about you travel
around in your Earth Roamer, andsome people have, you know, RVs
and campers and trailers andstuff. And you guys, you know,
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can travel around in a smalllittle group, but everyone has
their dogs, and there'sdifferent things that that you
guys all do. And kind of explainthat process of how and why
you're traveling so much withyour retrievers.
Mike Stewart (03:20):
I'll be glad to do that. It's one of my favorite
things to do is travel my withmy dog, and we call them
destination dogs or overlandingwith gun dogs, whatever tag you
wanna put on them. And I thoughtit's so important. When I wrote
my book years ago, I did achapter on the destination gun
dog, on how to travel with yourdog. And it's it's become so
popular, especially in the lastfew years.
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I started in 02/2012. It wasactually the Ducks and Laminate
Convention in Nashville. I gotreally interested out going out
to an RV place, and I got boughta truck camper when I was at the
convention and loaded it on theback of the truck, and I started
traveling to all my gun dogtrips and my shows I was doing.
It was just so convenient tohave all my gear there and a
trailer with the dogs in theback and the guns properly
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stored, and you don't have tounload to go into a hotel. And,
you know, think about how thelittle sleep I would get worried
about the dogs and the guns andthe quick gear out on the trucks
sitting in a parking lot that Iwas very relieved to have my own
rig traveling across thecountry.
And then that migrated into abigger rig, which I have now.
It's a five fifty Ford selfcontained. There's 90 gallons of
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diesel, 90 gallons of water,solar powered, and basically
stay off off grid for as long asfifteen days. So it's basically
a a great hunting mobilehunting. People say, what is
that?
I said, it's a mobile huntinglodge. It's got a four wheel
drive. All the rigs I've hadhave had four wheel drive. It
just makes a great way to travelaround with the dogs. And by the
way, the dogs absolutely loveit.
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They got their own little spottoo.
Chris Jennings (04:51):
Yeah. And that's, you know, that's one
thing that that I've, you know,kind of struggled with my dog
now. She's she's much older. Imean, she doesn't really even do
much anymore, but she you know,we had to kinda introduce her to
my RV and, you know, introducingher to where she's going to lay
and where she's going to sit.And for it's an older dog, so
it's a little bit of a more of aprocess.
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But kind of kind of explain howyou transport your dogs. And
then also, you know, I know youhave trailers and things like
that. And and what are some ofthe best and safest ways to
transport retrievers?
Mike Stewart (05:21):
Okay. We'll talk about those in sort of different
dimensions. Let's start with theRV. My in my case, I was I was
so into it that when I had thethe Earthwormer's custom built,
they build it any way you want.It has no back seat.
I built a dog platform with agun slip underneath the dogs,
and then you can slide twocrates in or two dog beds in at
night. They can sleep sleepright behind you. They can ride
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right behind you with you're inthe coal power on the front
seats. It's it's a walk through,goes through the back. Some
people put their crates in theback.
We have one of our clients has abig class a. They took the kid
kid bumps and put crates inthem, and they anchor them down,
they glow the dogs in there.Some people use toy haulers,
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gooseneck, bumper hitch trailersis the toy that carries, like,
motorcycles and four wheelers inthe back. Well, they couldn't
work the whole back into doghills. They have an indoor space
full of air conditioning,heated.
I mean, that's that's the luxurytravel for any kind of. So you
can convert these things in somany ways to carry them. One of
our guys down here that does a aservice dog, he took a Mercedes
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Sprinter and put two crates inthe back and a little bulk above
it of them so he can sleep, andit's totally I got solar panels
on it to power all his resourceswhen he stops. Nice little
diesel engine. Think it's about18 miles a gallon.
Four wheel drive can goanywhere. So, you know, that's
one dimension. But what aboutthe other guy that has the
pickup? When I travel in mytruck, the enemy there is cold
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and heat. Not so much cold, butit drives me crazy for summer
travel when we have to pull outplaces in Colorado.
One that we're struggling withright now is the DU, expo event
coming up in in June. We'regonna have eight to 10 dogs out
there, and temperatures intravel time will be during the
day would be a 100 degrees. Howdo you travel with that heat?
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And do not, on anycircumstances, leave a dog
locked in a vehicle. Even if youthink I got the air conditioning
engine running, what if a cartruck goes dead?
They don't last very long. Itwill it was certainly the kill
your dog. Heat would build up sofast in auto, and I I just gotta
throw a warning out to that. Soyou have to think about really
the safety of the dog whenyou're traveling in a pickup or
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a van. It's best to put theminside a crate and be very
mindful of the heat.
Chris Jennings (07:41):
Even with that, you've kind of mentioned, kind
of alluded to, you know, justyour average retriever owner
with a pickup truck. You know,you've talked a lot about, you
know, dogs injuring themselvesgetting in and out of the back
of a truck. So if you've gotyour dog in a crate in the back,
what's your recommendation forgetting him in and out? Are you
picking that dog up every time?
Mike Stewart (08:01):
Most of the time, especially a younger dog and an
older dog, like, Deke doesn'tjump anymore. He used to jump in
and out of the truck. But someof our trucks are so far off the
ground now that when they bailout, there's a lot of impact in
the joints when they're landingon a asphalt. So you gotta be
very careful with that. They betmake commercial ramps where they
can go up and down.
But a young puppy less than 15of age, I do not like to see
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them jumping in and out ofvehicles and much older dogs,
they don't like to see thateither. So if you choose to do
it when the dogs are younger,you have to be very careful with
that because the impact on thosejoints can cause you some severe
problems.
Chris Jennings (08:37):
You know, one thing that that we've talked
about a lot in past shows isfeeding. When you're on the
road, you know, when you'retraveling, I mean, even for
humans, your feeding schedulegets jacked up. Next thing you
know, you're stocked atMcDonald's, and you don't wanna
eat at McDonald's. Yeah. Butfor, you know, a dog, it can get
that same way, you know, thetactics of travel.
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What are you how do you maintainthat consistency with feeding,
and and how do you do that whenyou're traveling with your dog?
Mike Stewart (09:05):
Well, that's a really good question because we
have an entire process. Abouttwo weeks before we begin our
trips, we're gonna start feedingon the exact schedule that I
would be likely stopping in theevening. Because dogs are all
about routine. I don't knowabout your dog, but Dee can tell
time. I've never seen a thing.
Hey. You hear me travelingalong, and at 02:30 when he
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normally eats, he likes to eatat 03:00. Boop. There's a head
pops up. He knows exactly whattime it is.
So if I'm gonna stop at five,I've got to get him on a pre
schedule. I want him popping upat 03:00, riding down the road,
and we got two more hours oftravel. Right? He's back to
staring at me in the rearviewmirror. So I'm gonna get them on
a schedule.
The second thing I'm gonna do isstart floating the food. Dogs
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don't take in enough water. Andwhen they're traveling,
sometimes they're stressed, andthey just don't drink enough
water. So float the food,meaning you put a small amount
of water in with the fluid.Don't overflood the whole pan.
Put enough water in it,especially when you're hunting.
They just we're gonna really getthe dog on the the feeding
schedule and the wateringschedule with a routine. Karina
(10:09):
makes a great product calledFloraFlora. You can see it on
the website. It's a probiotic.
It feels it's a it juststabilizes the digestive system
really well. If you'll startthat about two weeks, sprinkling
it on the feet, it's a littlepacket. And through the whole
trip, use that, you reallystabilize that dog's gut. That
helps a lot of regularity. Sowe're gonna start with routine
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on a schedule.
And people wanna know, should Istop? About the time you need to
stop, three to four hours, isabout the time the average dog
needs to get out and relievethemselves. Be careful where you
stop. Roadside, the dog can dartout in an instant before you
actually know what's going on.So be careful that you've got
the dog.
A lot of places don't even wanta off lead. Have you ever
(10:56):
accustomed to your dog got yourdog acclimated to relieving
themselves on a lead? A lot ofthem won't do it. You gotta
practice that before you go. Andanother little tip, a lot of
times when we travel acrosscountry, we'll put, like, an
orange collar on the dog withtheir telephone number in case
we're we're auto wrecked.
At least people will know who tocontact. If the dog got out
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accidentally, which is how thedoor came open, the dog got out,
you drove off from a, like, aservice station, would someone
know how to contact you? Andthere people would know that
that is a is not a stray dog. Itis somebody's dog. So that's a
great great precautionary tip toput in there.
Chris Jennings (11:35):
Now here's a question for you. You know, I
see a lot of people at truckstops or at, you know, rest
areas wherever they're stopping,and they've got that bumper out
and they're throwing things forthe you know, but, obviously,
it's in a safer area. There'snot traffic or anything. But do
you recommend, you know, doingsome training in between travel
if if you have the opportunity?
Mike Stewart (11:55):
Absolutely. I wouldn't use the truck stop.
There's lots of things that goon at truck stops, including
chicken bones that are thrownout, diesel fuel on the ground,
antifreeze, the dogs will lap upand just, you know, it's deadly
to a dog. There's too much stuffaround there. I don't even like
to use truck stops in placeslike that to air the dog.
But traveling down the road,there's all kinds of nice places
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you could pull over to the sideof the road and work your dog.
And that's a really good thingif you're traveling back from a
hunt. Say you're in the Deltaand see a nice rice field out
there. There's nothing noproblem pulling over the side
the road, walk down the littleside road, get them off the main
highway, pitch you out a coupleof bumpers out there. I have no
real problem with that.
Just have to be careful aboutlocal traffic, and you have to
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be careful about garbage, if youwill, left in the, surrounding
areas. People you know, dogsjump off into it and just make a
mess. It can be dang and evendangerous.
Chris Jennings (12:47):
Absolutely. Yeah. You wanna be careful.
Well, I said truck stops, butdefinitely avoid the truck
stops. That was a bad idea.
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Chris Jennings (14:57):
One of the other things that we talk about with a
lot of people is is thedifferent gear that, you know
and and you may keep it allconsistent with the same things,
but, know, there's tons ofdifferent products out there for
different traveling assistanceor whether it's different types
of crates or anything like this.Is there anything you recommend
for someone like, even if it'sjust a crate pad for a dog
that's riding in the back of thetruck in a crate, are those some
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of the things that you recommendto people who are taking some
longer trips?
Mike Stewart (15:23):
Yeah. I I work it through my list of mistakes.
Okay? So I didn't do. One is apad.
You know, that's the rough ridedown the road. We use we use
pads that insert even in ourtrailers to give some
cushioning. I don't really likeputting pads like foam or
anything in there like that thatcan get soiled and wet, but a
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rubber type pad works wellbecause, you know, they get mold
and mildew and everything else.And second thing is take the
dog's meds. Take plenty of medsand take too much dog food.
If you're gonna be gone fourdays, take six days. You never
know when you're break down on atruck. Dog's gonna have a
problem. You're gonna get stuckin traffic or whatever it may
be. You need to have enough foodto eat.
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Way more food than you actuallythink you need to take with you.
Because you don't really wannaswitch that dog food in the
middle of a trip. And that canreally destabilize the gut. Next
thing I wanna do is take localwater. I'll take a couple of
jugs of my own water just so Idon't switch the water.
So they're used to my water. Idon't wanna use some well water
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at a campsite or something offthe side of the road, at a truck
stop or an RV I mean, a roadsidepark. You never know where that
water's coming from. Alright?It's got any contaminants in it
or not, so I worry about that.
We also wanted to make sure wehave a fully stocked first aid
kit. Your vet can help you withthat. I have one for sale at
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uklabs.com, and you click on aRyder's Trading Company, have a
basic little kit there that youcan add some things with, with
things like aspirin, Rimadyl,things to solve diarrhea, such
as pep liquid Pepto Bismol. Thepeeled Pepto Bismol, it's a
little more convenient, but it'sslow acting. I use the liquid
(17:06):
liquid Pepto Bismol if we have alittle diarrhea, and I get that
frequently when we starttraveling dogs to get a little
upset.
When we get into crates, have agood crash proof crate. Make
sure you've got a cover. Younever know when you get in bad
weather. You'd think it's prettyhot. I don't need it, but then
the next thing you know, you'rein a storm.
And always anchor that crate,especially if it's in the back
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of the truck. Anchor it very,very securely in case you hit
something. That crate does notbecome a flying object. And we
all like to have our dogs ridingbehind us in the the back seat.
If you have an impact, head onimpact or rear end impact, that
dog's become a become going tobecome a projectile.
So you need to make sure thatdog is anchored in something
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safe when you're travelingacross
Chris Jennings (17:51):
There's a million different ways to
travel, you know, on land,obviously, whether it's the RV
or the truck or just the back ofthe truck, back of the pickup.
But, you know, let's talk aboutair travel. You know, that's
something that, you know, not awhole lot of people do, but I do
know I do know some guys thatfly their dog around to hunt.
What are some recommendationsyou have for people who who may
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call you and say, hey. I'm gonnago on a hunt in, you know,
Texas.
I'm gonna fly there. You know, Iwanna take my dog. What do I
need to be aware of?
Mike Stewart (18:20):
Well, let's talk private and commercial.
Chris Jennings (18:23):
I would say more than likely commercial in this
instance.
Mike Stewart (18:26):
Number one is you're gonna have to have a
health certificate. Make mostairlines are gonna require a
health certificate that is nomore than five days old before
you show up with the airline.You need a flight certified
crate. A lot of the cratesyou're running around with that
are they're popular these days,they're not flight certified. So
you have to check with theairline and make sure you have a
flight flight certified crate.
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Most of the time, sell them, butthey're rather expensive when
you go to the airlines to do it.Prebook your flight, make sure
that I really have to watchabout now, there's so many
connecting flights. When you'rebooking your flight, we'll look
at the connections. How long arethey gonna be pulled off that
plane? How many connections youhave?
The more connections, the morechance you're losing your dog.
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And, generally, the major aircarriers that I've worked with
are very they're they're moreworried about losing a dog. They
get worse publicity of losing adog than they do losing you. So
they they're they're prettymeticulous about the dogs. I've
only had a couple and we importa lot of dogs from The UK.
I've only had a a couple ofproblems that the dogs got to
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the wrong location. Sometimesthey would come to Memphis and
end up in Philadelphia, butthat's very, very rare. So
generally, they they do the aircarriers do a good job. Some of
them even pick the dogs up fromyou at at cargo not cargo, at at
baggage, and they carry the dogall the way through for you. You
don't generally ship the dogcargo as you're flying with
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them.
You're gonna ship them baggage,and you gotta make sure your
airline does that. So some ofthe airplanes that fly now don't
have that much baggage to pull.So some of it, you well, you may
not be able to get to some ofthe destinations you wanna go
to, such as in Canada and someof the smaller airports out
West. They just don't have thecapacity to carry the the dogs
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in in cargo. So you have to youhave to prebook those things.
Chris Jennings (20:17):
Now And you wanna be careful flying in
somewhere that's really coldtoo. I mean, I know I've had
conversations about this withpeople, you know, flying into
Canada. You know, you you haveto be careful about, you know,
where that dog is gonna be at onthe plane when it's loaded on
the plane because it can getvery cold.
Mike Stewart (20:34):
Two ways to look at it. The heat will get you
that happened to me in the Southone time. I was out on the job
on a show, and it it was too hotto fly above 85 degrees. They
won't let you dog on the plane.It also had me on DUTV Way a
long time ago with flew toCanada with Drake, the the
former Ducks Unlimited, MilesScott.
(20:55):
And it was a nice going up therecoming back. It was too cold,
and I had to call a clown tocome get him. And I they said,
you'll lose your ticket. Wewon't refund your ticket. You
gotta go, but the dog can't go.
So what do you do then? Luckily,I had a client look close by. I
said, come get the dog. Webooked him later and sent him
back. So you better have abackup plan if you're flying in
the wintertime or summertimewith the dog.
Chris Jennings (21:16):
I've heard of people trying to get, like, any
calming things that people wouldgive their dog, you know,
something to get the dog kindacalmed down as it's in transit
during the flight. Do you useany of that, or do you recommend
anything like that?
Mike Stewart (21:29):
No. And if you tell the airlines you did, they
won't fly.
Chris Jennings (21:32):
That's right. That's what I was gonna say. I
wanted you to say that, but I Iwasn't quite sure. But, you
know, I've heard of peopletalking about doing that, and I
know it's probably not a verygood idea.
Mike Stewart (21:42):
And Well, the idea that that I would do is I
wouldn't feed the dog thatmorning of the flight. You know,
having going in. I'll feed himthe night before. I would have a
bag of food taped at the top ofthe crate and a bottle of water
in case they get they do have alayover, get stranded, the
aircraft won't go. They havesome food for the dog.
They have some water for thedog. I would have taped on top
with feeding instructions. Iwould have, of course, my
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telephone number would be there,you know, call for this. And I
would even have my vet'stelephone number on the on the
outside of that crate in case ofemergency call this vet. I would
have things like that.
I would never fly a dog that wasnot microchipped. So you you
identify your dog. How do youknow it's your dog? You think
the dog's separated. So that'smy dog.
You see, we'll prove it. Well,your microchip will prove it.
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And sometimes the dogs that takethem out of the crates, handle
them overnight, like, especiallyif you're flying on the longer
flights, and then put them backin the crate. What if they
switch them? And you left withthe lab and you got a mile long
when you open the gate the nextmorning.
Chris Jennings (22:42):
That
Mike Stewart (22:43):
that has actually happened to me coming from
England. They switched the dogsin the crate. And when I got
them, I didn't know them. We hadthe wrong dog for a while, and
we actually figured it out. So Igot two black males.
They were not I bought the dogs.They were shipped in, but they
were taken out overnighted andput back in the crate, but they
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switched. Bimbo wasn't Bimbo.Yeah. That that can actually
happen.
So all that stuff, all theselittle things you need to think
about is what ifs. Telephonenumbers, extra food, extra
water, medicate instructions formedication to to be taped
outside of your crate. Flyingprivate, a lot of our clients do
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that. And we there's a lot ofdestinations you can book small
planes and fly to, which is veryhandy. And people worry about
the dogs being afraid.
I've I've never seen the onebird dog in my time that was
afraid to fly. Once you get themacclimated on the plane off and
on, getting off and on the planeto get them on there, The floors
are heated on small planes.They'll lay down and go to sleep
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on the planes. Or just put themin a crate in the back, just
like a small crate, slide themin, they're fine. Don't worry
about it.
Chris Jennings (23:51):
I I personally don't hang out with a lot of
people that fly around onprivate planes, but those sound
it sounds like I I can imaginemost dogs are probably not too
concerned just like most peoplewould probably be, you know, a a
pretty easy transition into, youknow, a small private plane like
that.
Mike Stewart (24:06):
The private planes that you run into now are some
of the destinations that you goto. Like, if you're in Alaska,
you gotta put them on a floatplane like a like an otter or
something like that to fly tothe to to the lodge. When we fly
our group to The Bahamas, we flythem on Ospreys and small or
very loud prop planes. You know,it's only a two hour flight out
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of The United States into TheBahamas for fly fishing, but we
take the dogs with us. So youyou may not own your own
airstream or Gulfstream, but butyou may get into a situation
where you go to our destinationand they have to fly you to the
next step step.
So plat we we try to get ourdogs acclimated to a flight for
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in our adventure dog workshops.We have somebody come in on an
airplane and take them up, flythem around, land again just
like touch and goats.
Chris Jennings (24:56):
Yeah. It's all just introductions. You know?
It's all just like introductionto a duck boat would probably be
very similar to introducing to,you know, a small plane like
that. So it's all about thatprocess.
Now can you think of anythingelse, you know, that that people
who are traveling, you know, andmay just be traveling from the
duck blind back home, thatpeople should remember when they
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are traveling with theirretriever?
Mike Stewart (25:20):
You need to think about if you're traveling, let's
say, a duck blind and you'retaking them back home, putting
them in a crate or in thesummertime, you're taking them
from the dove field. Again, I'mgonna go back back to the the
two extremes, the heat. Heatexhaustion early in the early
season teal, upland in NorthDakota. The fields is very, very
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dangerous, far more than cold,hypothermia, cold. You've gotta
really watch the heat.
So you got a dog that's sort ofoverheated and you throw him in
the truck, put him in the backof the truck, you he could well
die. You've gotta really keepthat temperature lower on those
dogs. And then in the cold, whenthey come back out of the duck
blind, snatch that water vestoff them, dry them off really
good, and put them in a reallygood insulated crate that you
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know, the crate covers allwhat's insulated, but to keep
them dry. I've seen people goingdown the road from the duck
blind and the crate wide open,and it just bothers me a lot of
how cold that dog is in theback.
Chris Jennings (26:16):
Oh, yeah. I mean, that can that can cause
some some pretty severe damageto joints and things like that
when you get that cold too, canit?
Mike Stewart (26:22):
Exactly. And, you know, the bottom line is
traveling with the dog, thedestination dog, overland
experience with the dog is allabout routine. Get the dog on a
schedule. Dogs are creatures ofhabit. You get them on a
schedule and just do the commonsense protections such as first
aid kits, insulation for yourcrates, keeping them, keeping
the weather in mind.
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You'll be fine.
Chris Jennings (26:44):
Awesome. Well, these have been some great tips,
Mike. I appreciate you joiningme. And, as always, we're gonna
we're gonna get you back on assoon as we can.
Mike Stewart (26:51):
Great. Enjoyed
Chris Jennings (26:52):
it. I'd like to thank my guest, Mike Stewart,
the owner and operator of WildRose Kennels, for joining me
today and talking abouttraveling with your retriever.
I'd like to thank Clay Baird,our producer, for doing a great
job of getting the podcast outto you, and I'd like to thank
you, the listener, for joiningus on the DU podcast and
supporting WetlandsConservation.
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In 1997, actress Kristin Davis’ life was forever changed when she took on the role of Charlotte York in Sex and the City. As we watched Carrie, Samantha, Miranda and Charlotte navigate relationships in NYC, the show helped push once unacceptable conversation topics out of the shadows and altered the narrative around women and sex. We all saw ourselves in them as they searched for fulfillment in life, sex and friendships. Now, Kristin Davis wants to connect with you, the fans, and share untold stories and all the behind the scenes. Together, with Kristin and special guests, what will begin with Sex and the City will evolve into talks about themes that are still so relevant today. "Are you a Charlotte?" is much more than just rewatching this beloved show, it brings the past and the present together as we talk with heart, humor and of course some optimism.
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