iNTO THE FRAY 529: Strange Vacations

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The infinite complaces people went to and pro fears about
their little affairs, serene in the assurance of their dominion
over this small binning fragment of solar driftwood, which, by
chance or design, man has inherited out of the dark
mystery of time and face.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
On this episode of Into the Fray, I welcome Berry
back on with me. I'm sure that a lot of
you guys are pretty familiar with Barry at this point,
because today we are recording for part six, that is
full on Part six episodes, and then we have at
least two, if not three lefts, right, Barry, So let

(01:22):
me let everybody know your previous episodes, and I won't
name them, but I will put them as numbers really quickly.
So Part one five ten, Part two five seventeen, Part
three five twenty one, Part four five twenty three, and
then it's not out yet, but it will be out
by the time people are hearing.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
My voice right now.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Is Part five is five two six, And I'm going
to go ahead and title that.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
The Unseen Kind.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
That was one of your own labels on one of
the stories, Barry, as you probably well know, so that
will be the title of that one, part six today,
maybe I will title it Strange Vacations as you have
so anyhow, welcome back Berry, Hello.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Thank you so much for having me back once again.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, you're certainly making a habit, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
Well, you know, to my surprise, looking back, I started
to realize how many strange things have happened through the years,
and they really added up, and then I started to
categorize them. I'm like, my goodness, you know, I do
have normal moments in life, believe it or not. But
thank goodness for that, because you know, I wouldn't want

(02:35):
to have to deal with this on a daily basis.
But you know, looking back at these saying, some when
they're happening, they're not out. Some are nice, but other things.
Most of the time it's disturbing and weird, or sometimes
it can even ruin a vacation. And so yeah, we're
going to talk about some of the strange vacations that
my family and I have been on. If everybody's interested

(02:58):
in hearing.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
That, well I should hope that they are. And I
will say because a lot of times people, even on YouTube,
they'll go, why don't you time mark your videos? And
to me, sure you can jump to the part where
the ghost jumps out and you you know, need brown
pants and all that, but it really takes away from

(03:19):
the whole story of why it might have happened, and
how the person felt after it happened, to all these
other important things. But I would hazard to say that,
don't feel like, if you're hopping in right now with Barry,
that you're like, oh well, maybe let me turn this
off and go back to what was the number?

Speaker 3 (03:37):
I said? Five ten to part one.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
I don't know that it is applicable in every one
of these episodes. Some there is some bleed overright of
some important things with your family and friends and things,
But for the most part, a lot of these are
more kind of standalone, So don't feel like you have
to consume every single one in order. I want to
say that really quickly. But yes, Barry, let's jump into

(04:01):
the very first bullet point, which says, a ghostly visit
at sea.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
Okay, yeah, so we you know, I've had many normal
vacations through the years, but there's those some of them
that's odd things have happened. And this particular incident, my
family and I took a sea cruise sea cruise that
sounds like an old fifties song. Well, anyways, we went

(04:30):
on a cruise, and you know, it was a wonderful vacation.
We went down into the Yucatan, stopped off in Mexico
and a few other places on the way, and you know,
went snorkeling and did the just did the nice little
vacation thing. And you know, I'm not, honestly not trying to.

(04:53):
I just not big on crazy, noisy vacations. I like
quieter vacations because I living vacation capital of the country
here and I avoid the theme parks and all that,
and some of the ships are like a theme park
on the ocean, you know. But you know, it was
we had a nice We had a nice trip, and
my son was younger and everything was great. We had

(05:15):
a really nice vacation. On the way back. When the
ship was returning that the evening that we were returning,
I the moon was full and beaming out there on
the ocean, which was awesome. You know, the weather was beautiful.
And I think this was this was around twenty ten

(05:39):
that this happened. You know, I had we had to
take the vacations around my son's school schedules, so you know,
in so this time, I believe it was during the
spring time when we went on this vacation. And so
we got back to our cabin after a really long

(05:59):
day of being out and adventuring out and around, and
my wife and my son. The cabins are small, as
you would know and probably, and so we had a
little cot set up for my son to sleep next
to us off to the side, and my wife and
I we all were went into bed. They fell asleep

(06:22):
right away, and I was laying there just thinking, and
the ship was kind of, you know, was you could
feel it rise up and down as it was sort
of going about cranking out some speed, trying to make
some time, and I sort of just swaying there and
I was sort of lulling away a little bit. And

(06:42):
then while that was going on, I felt what felt
like a pressure of something sitting down at the foot
of my bed, and I, you know, just felt like
somebody just sat at the end of my bed, and
I thought that, and then I heard what sounded like
a woman weeping, and I thought it was my wife.

(07:07):
And I opened my eyes and I looked down at
the foot of the bed and there was a figure
sitting there right and back turned to me on the bed,
and it kind of looked like it had like the
bed sheet over it, or the comfort or whatever something

(07:27):
draped over it. I thought it was part of my
bed covers, and I thought it was my wife, and
I was like, what in the world. And I turned
over to my right. There was my wife sound asleep
and my son over there sound asleep. And I turned
back and the figure was gone. So was This was

(07:49):
a brief thing that happened. But it's weird when when
the feeling of something sitting down I felt like an
energy shift in the in the room. Then when I,
you know, heard this sobbing woman, you know, it just
left a really bad feeling. It really felt really sad,

(08:14):
and I get a sense that I guess, and then
when all of a sudden she's gone. Well, of course
I was pretty shocked at what just happened, and I
thought about waking my family, but then I decided not to.
But you know, I laid there and I was just
I was just like, oh my gosh, what that really happened.

(08:36):
I'm awake and I've been awake. This is not not
a dream here, So and then it started getting me
to think how many people die on these ships? You know.
And one of the things about this particular ship is
we took a little tour around there, and they told
us it was one of their oldest ships that had

(08:57):
been out there and that they were going to decommission it.
I think we were going to be one of the
last cruises that the ship ran, and then they were
going to stop running that particular ship. It's a lot
smaller than the ones that they've got out there now,
which are huge. It was, you know, all nice and everything,

(09:17):
but you know, I so after this all happened, when
we got back from our vacation, of course, I told
my wife and my son the next morning, they're like, oh,
you know, jeez, you know again. But uh, you know,
I started just kind of looking up some facts about
how many people actually die on cruise ships, and it's

(09:41):
surprising how many they don't want people to know about
this stuff, you know, so they have a little more
on the ship. And I've realized that if you don't
have some kind of insurance or something, if if you
if somebody dies you're on vacation and somebody that's if
you passes away, they're going to drop your body off

(10:03):
wherever the next stop is, and it's going to be
on you to figure out how to get the body
back home. Uh, and there's going to be a lot
of expenses added to that. And they actually have a
code called Operate One of the ship companies that I
think a bunch of them use this as Operation Rising Star.

(10:25):
But they'll discreetly try to remove your body off the ship. So,
you know, you could be on a ship that's all
fun and games and everything, but hundreds of people could
actually have died on that ship. And when you think
about the sheer quantity of people that get on there
and a lot of them in the past, especially where
older people now they're the crowds are getting more mixed

(10:49):
and younger with a lot of these party boats. But
it was a short little experience. But on the other hand,
it was certainly kind of really amazing and and made
me start really thinking about things.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Okay, that's fascinating. So what were you saying about if
you have insurance they won't drop your body off at
the next stop, or does that happen no matter what.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
No, I'm not going to say that. I think that,
you know, just expense wise, you can imagine how expensive
that's good this is going to turn out to be
for you to try to have to arrange your own
flight back with a body. You know. I don't know
all the details, but I did look into uh I

(11:32):
did look up some of that stuff out of curiosity,
because once that happened, I just really started thinking about it. Wow,
you know, and you know, a lot of people die
from natural causes, but there have been cases of suicide
and you know, a murder on ships not that frequently,
but it happens or accidents probably more than anything. People

(11:55):
may consume too much alcohol, fall and hit their head
or something like that. You know. But yeah, it was weird,
you know. I mean you're talking about the foot of
your bed, so it's really close to you know. I
just looked and see the figures sitting right there, and
the moon was beaming and they you know, the window,
I could see the moon shining on the water from

(12:16):
you know, in the cab, and everything was lit up
in there, and there's this figure sitting there right in
front of me and sounded like quietly weeping and just
you know, and then I realized it wasn't my wife,
and it was a shock really, you know, I mean

(12:36):
it fascinated me later, but at the time I wasn't
terrified or anything. I was more just surprised and then
just really felt sad for whatever that energy could have
been residual, or it could have I don't know, if
it was intelligent or or residual. I don't know because
there was no interaction, so it could be something recorded,

(12:59):
you know, possible from some incident in the past.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
And it makes you wonder because you mentioned that that
ship was then going to be decommissioned.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
If they would.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Take parts of a ship that was to be decommissioned,
like furnishings, bedsheets, even building materials, who knows, maybe if
anything they keep and transfer to another ship, if then
some of that energy could then haunt that next ship.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
Yeah, that's an interesting question too, you know. Yeah, you
always think of a haunted ship in some old pirate
ship or something, you know, But yeah, but you don't
think of a party boat, you know, where they got
call them by music playing and things like that going on.
You know. But of course, I part of me, you know,
thought well that it certainly is a permanent vacation, and

(13:51):
you know, if you're going to haunt something. Maybe that
would be the thing, but you know, I don't know
if you like peace and quiet, that might not be
the place to be either. So but it's just it
really was fascinated me at the thought of it. You're like, wow,
you know, you just don't It's the last thing I
would have ever expected to happen, was to be half

(14:12):
something like that happened on a cruise ship, but it did.
It's pretty interesting.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, it's creepy to think about a morgue being on
board of such a light, airy, fun vacation time, but
as you said, ish happens even on vacation and people
do pass away.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
So yeah, yeah, I'm sure it's not a huge thing,
but it's kind of a refrigerated locker, big enough to
put a few different bodies in there if they have to.
You know, of course, we know that there's you know,
illnesses that happened on ships and stuff and that kind
of thing, and you know, but yeah, they try to

(14:53):
keep that whole end of things disturbing part of that
very quiet. I'm sure, you know, it happens, and it's unfortunate,
but something happened there. I don't know, you know what
exactly why that happened, but it was. It was definitely interesting,

(15:13):
havevy thinking Tom still think about it sometimes, you know.
But anyways, that was my first little shared story there
with a strange vacation. It didn't this didn't ruin my vacation.
It kind of just added an extra little element of
interest at the end of the vacation. Luckily, but have

(15:33):
had some things that weren't so it didn't turn out
quite so well for me, and that will be the
next little story I guess I can share with you.
We again, I mentioned that, you know, when you have kids,
you got to work your vacations around their school schedule,

(15:55):
and now I had a busy work schedule as well,
so that complicated things even more. Typically, you know, when
my son was young, we always try to find fun,
little family things to do. We were not fancy people.
We don't take I couldn't afford a fancy vacation even
if I wanted to, really, but you know, we didn't

(16:15):
seek out those type of things, so, you know, but
in this particular year, I believe it was around twenty
fourteen is what I've got written here, and we were
gonna have to take a staycation because of my work
and other things. We were able to get book some

(16:36):
time off, but we just did not have the ability
or maybe the funds or whatever to leave town. So
what we decided to do, since I live in Florida,
is go and spend several days at the beach. So
we booked a room at an old nineteen fifties motel,

(16:58):
hotel motel, I don't know what, you know exactly. It
was just an old nineteen fifties one story, a little
setup with an office and several different rooms in rows,
with some rooms on the right directly on the beach.
You had a nice little teaky tight bar and grill
out there and a swimming pool and everything we needed

(17:21):
just to go and relax and have some fun and
after you know, I've admittedly been a workaholic through the
years and have had some you know, high pressured jobs
as well, so getting a little vacation time with family
was something really important to have, you know, kind of
cherished like everybody else who wants a vacation. And so

(17:43):
we were excited about this and kind of even though
we weren't going very far, but you know, just because
we had been so busy and so we're looking forward
to getting getting over to this place when we I
always liked tro stuff, so I'm like, that's cool. It's
a fifty you know, built in the fifties kind of

(18:04):
a thing. It's like, you know these old images you
can imagine of hotels painted pink with pink flamingos in
the yard or whatever type of thing, or you know,
some kind of pastel colors, and you know, it was
a family place, nothing fancy whatsoever. But the place was jumping.

(18:25):
So yeah, it was spring break when this happened. So
in this being in Florida, I want to get the
heck out here during the summer months if I can,
and head north or something. But it was spring break,
and so we got over to the hotel and everything
was good and fine. But when we entered into our

(18:48):
we checked in, got our luggage, we entered into our
little room, it's like the energy shifted automatically almost as
soon as we kind of went into the room. And
at first I I felt something, but I you know,
I just I thought maybe my wife looked kind of

(19:09):
we were all kind of just had this strange deadpan
feeling or I don't even know what exactly to expressed
because no, we didn't say anything to each other, but
I'm seeing my wife looking around. I thought, oh, she
doesn't like the place or something, you know, But I
thought maybe her expectations were not the same, you know,

(19:30):
not exactly the same. But there was nothing fancy about
the room. But it was clean, and that's what I
mostly concerned about, you know. I looked around, and I'm like,
it's fine for what we are, what we're doing here,
you know, and h for all intensive purpose, but it
definitely we uh, I don't know. I left left an
odd feeling, and but we got changed and we went

(19:52):
out and enjoyed the day, I mean, went to the
beach and all that sort of thing. But later on
that evening, when we got back to our room, and
the more time we spent in there, it seemed like
something was affecting us, mostly my wife, and I think

(20:14):
I mentioned once before, I mean, when we were looking
at purchasing that one half. She I do believe has abilities,
and she's really more of an empathic person, and you know,
she and I have We've had a lot of esp
kind of telepathic things. But we've been together all for

(20:36):
a long time, so it's probably not an abnormal thing
for that to happen. There's times when she will be
thinking something and I'll pick it up and say that,
or you know whatever, or you know, I'll pick up
something on the way home and She'll be like, oh,
my gosh, I just thought of that, and I said, well,
the idea popped in my head. So we do have

(20:58):
that kind of communication, but she would never admit to
that really, but I know that she has abilities, and
it seems like EmPATH is her thing, and whether she
likes it or not, So whatever was going on in
this room, it affected her more than anything. You know,

(21:18):
she's a very level headed person, I mean, a very
strong you know. I rarely see her get down in
you know, deeply depressed or crying or anything. But while
we were staying in that room through the night, she
just became very sad and her whole demeanor changed. And

(21:41):
I couldn't figure out what in the world We're supposed
to be having a good time, why is this happening.
But I think even my son, you know, we all
kind of felt something strange about the place and we
just could not figure out what in the world it was.
But it seemed like she was getting overwhelmed by this

(22:03):
deep sadness and so it was odd and I did
feel like a little bit of a strange energy, you
know for sure, and I just couldn't figure out didn't
affect me the same way it did her, But you know,
it definitely felt like something strange was happening. And the

(22:24):
next day we got up and you know, it was
kind of like trying to get ourselves motivated get out
of that room, which didn't take much. We wanted to
get out of the room. And once we were out
of the room, we were okay again, and we didn't
really talk about it too much. I mean, she snapped
out of her funk. But again later on that evening

(22:47):
when we went back to the room, she ended up
having a really almost a breakdown of emotional breakdown where
she was just sobbing. And we kind of feel like
there was a female, something tragic happened to a young female,
and I that was an impression. I don't know. She

(23:10):
may have been the one who said it first, or
it was me or both of us picked up on
something tragic we believe happened in that room. I don't
have no proof of this as that we saw nothing.
It was just that this whatever was going on, in
this oppressiveness that was in there, it really literally ruined

(23:31):
our vacation because we ended up by the time the
second night, we ended up packing up our stuff and
we went and checked out, even though we had paid,
and we left there because my wife I needed to
get her out of there because she had gotten so
affected by what we just couldn't stay. Once we got

(23:54):
left there and got away from the place, she was
fine and that was that. But in all the years
I've known her, I've never had the first time I've
ever seen anything like that happened to her, which was
kind of quite a surprise, you know. I mean, we
all have our good days and bad days, but this
this was really odd and it just only happened when

(24:14):
you were in that room. When you're out of the room,
you're fine. You walk into the room and instantly you
kind of get hit by this, you know. I you know,
I wondered if other people not realizing that something weird
is there, But uh, you know, how does it does
the place affect others? We didn't talk to the office,

(24:35):
we didn't ask for another room. The place is packed
because it was spring break and at that point, we
just decided to go home. Although it's like our vacation
plan was ruined. So it's you know, it's not earth
shattering story, but it really affected my wife and us
as a family because you know, it's just sort of

(24:56):
a its a bummer. But I believe something something happened
in that particular room, and that is uh, you know,
I don't know, I don't know what exactly it was,
but it felt like there was a female some kind
of a sad, very very sad tragic thing that involved
a female that in that room for some reason.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Now I know you and your son had right out
of the gate, all of you, it seems like you
knew something was up.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Or wrong with the room.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Did you or your son have any similar feelings at
any points if you were in the room for several
hours or was it mostly just your wife that that
unfortunately whatever energy vampire or whatever it was, took hold
of her. Did you guys have anything like that?

Speaker 4 (25:45):
Well, I certainly, you know, I had no. I did
not feel like I wanted to cry or anything like that,
and a large to my son, but we definitely felt
of course seeing her sobbing can affect us too, you know,
you're like, oh, geez, what is happening here. But from
the moment that we got there, I think we all

(26:06):
picked up on the weird vibe. I definitely, you know,
of course I didn't wasn't saying anything to my wife,
but I was walking around looking at the room and
look checking to see if it was clean and stuff,
and I remember just kind of having a strange feeling that, Yeah,

(26:28):
I just felt heavy. And I believe my kid picked
up on that as well. I'm pretty sure I know
he has abilities as well, because even from childhood there
were incidents with him and he's been on well I've

(26:50):
talked about him before on the show. But yeah, so
we all picked up on something right away as soon
as we walked into the room. But it affected the
longer we were in the room, the more it affected
my wife in a really deeply profound way, and to
the point where I literally had to, you know, just

(27:14):
get her out of the place. So, you know, we date.
After two nights there, we ended up packing our stuff
and heading home and it was a real big bummer,
you know. But on the other hand, we were more
concerned about her and her mental state. But you know,
she's never had any mental, you know, problems or any

(27:39):
you know. I mean, there was no reason. We were
all excited and happy to be going there. And again
when we were out of the place at the beach
and around the little tiki bar or whatever, we were
all just fine. Yeah, it was only when we were
in that room, and especially for any length of time

(28:00):
I'm trying to get in there through the night. I
do remember laying there in the room and just having
this really just a I don't know, it's kind of
a dreadful feeling. It was a very oppressive and just unhappy,
a sad feeling. I do remember feeling that. Thinking, of course,

(28:25):
I was like, man was supposed to be having a good,
nice vacation here and she's over there crying. And I
don't understand, you know, but I knew something was wrong,
you know. And I don't believe it was the whole place,
but you know, that place was there since nineteen fifties.
Who knows now? The weird thing and this again, it

(28:48):
could just be all my imagination. I don't know why,
but some reason, I just feel like this. I feel
like a young woman overdosed in that room or something,
you know, and I don't even know why I think that,
but that was the thought that crossed my mind when
I was in that room. I felt like it was

(29:11):
a young female and she died unexpectedly in that room
or something. And I don't know, you know, it could
have been a suicide, you know, or something happened there.
I don't know, but whatever it was, it was very
just a very sad feeling and it really deeply affected
my wife. Can't understand it. Luckily she snapped out of

(29:34):
it and once we got out of the place. But
that was a vacation from hell. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
I mean, if hotel and motel rooms could talk, would
we really want to hear what they had to say?
Probably not in.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
A lot of cases.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
A lot of bad things happen in.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
Places like that.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
All right, So next up we are going to hit
the first of what is too separate cabin in the
w Woods experiences.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
Yeah, all right? So this one, yeah, this one happened
in North Carolina. So I could I have twenty nineteen,
So I was working like a crazy man, working full time,
and I got this opportunity to do a side project

(30:23):
that was just too good to turn down. And even
though I should have if I was in my right mind,
I would have turned it down. But it was like
a dream, little really cool opportunity for me to do
this little side project. And so I was working seven
days a week for a couple of months, I mean,
just to get this project done. And so I was definitely,

(30:47):
you know, in great need of a vacation. And my
family they suffer when I'm working like that too, you know.
So summer break was coming and the gentleman that I
was doing the work for was a successful businessman and
he was from up in the Carolina areas and he

(31:13):
in conversation, I said, oh, man, I love it up
that way, and he, you know, I said, oh, my
family and I taking some vacations up there. I said,
I really would like to try to get a cabin
up there and take a vacation this summer. And he said, well,
I actually owned some cabins. So he offered my family

(31:34):
and I a free cabin for a week, which was like,
oh heck yeah. So we were really excited about that,
and so I had to arrange with my work to
try to get the time off, and my son was
getting ready to get out of school, and we made

(31:55):
a plan that we were going to go up to
the mountains of North Carolina and uh up into the
add around CKX uh at around a yes, well, up
near the Smoky Mountains there. You know, this was this
was really exciting. So we had a few weeks to
really get our anticipation built up. And I we're we're

(32:17):
going to drive up there from Florida, and you know,
as we packed up our stuff, and I kept talking
about going off the grid because, uh, you know, my son,
he's a gamer, he's on computer all the time. And
you know, we all are attached to those darn devices
now and phones, and and I've been you know, we're

(32:39):
living in a busy area and I have you know, work, work, work,
and all that sort of stuff going on. So I
was so looking forward to getting out into nature and
getting up into those woods and uh and I kept saying, oh,
we're going unplugged, and uh, you know, getting off the
grid was the words I kept saying, kind of warning

(33:00):
my kid, like I don't want you to be trying
to play computer games or whatever, you know, while we're
up there. Well, we got on our way up there,
as we were getting closer, yeah, I started going, Wow,
this place is pretty out there, a lot further arow
out than I thought it would be. You know, it's
just hard to tell and you're looking at a map,
you know. But we as we got up to where

(33:23):
this cabin was, you know, I found myself driving through
fields and up into some woods on a little trail
and like, whoa, I didn't know we're gonna be off
roading it to get to the cabin here. But luckily
my little vehicle managed to do okay to get through
this stuff. We got up there, and you know, the
place was nice for all in times of purposes. Had

(33:46):
a nice little porch and a little creek in the front,
and fire pit, and it was not a fancy place,
but it was not roughing it in any way. I
mean really was. There was like drink and the bathroom
and a shower and a kitchen and everything we needed

(34:06):
to be comfortably staying in the place, you know. When
we got there again, kind of like the last story
I told, you know, we sort of it was kind
of a quiet, odd little moment. As we were going in,
I thought everybody should be excited and happy, and it
seemed a little somber, and I was like, oh what

(34:27):
in the world. Why what is everybody's problem? It was
kind of irritated, like, oh, now you guys are not
happy here or what this is? This is great, you know.
Underlying that, I seemed like there was just something a
little bit strange about the place and I couldn't figure

(34:48):
out what that was. But we just try to move
on with their you know, it was a long haul
to get up there, and you know, we we were
just going to take it easy the first night, and
we were going to just let my light a little
fire and let my kid make some s'mores and sit

(35:09):
out there by the fire. And alway as it was
getting dark, we were sitting out there, and you know,
I just had this most uncomfortable feeling, and I kept thinking,
is it because we're not used to being out in
the forest, you know, but I love going up you know,
We've been on other trips where we've gotten cabins, and

(35:30):
I've spent a lot of time up in the smoking
mountains working as well. So you know, I was just
like felt like somebody was watching us or something out there.
You know. It's just but I know there's bears and stuff,
you know, so I just I can't explain it, but
I just felt uncomfortable. It was very quiet out there,

(35:51):
and we ended up cutting our little outdoors time short.
It was we were as well. And that night I
was laying in bed. It's pitch black out there because
there's absolutely no light whatsoever, and so I'm laying in

(36:11):
this pitch dark cabin and I just kind of get
this overwhelming sense of fear came over me. And you know,
I don't know why that was, but I think it
was the fear of protecting my family. Perhaps I was
actually sicking and started thinking, I really should have a
gun with me, you know, why don't I have I

(36:34):
should have a gun probably here I'm out in the
woods with my family, you know, And I thought, oh,
I've just watched too many horror movies or something maybe.
But then the interesting thing is, you know, so we
woke up the next morning getting coffee, and I don't know,
I'm kind of lulling around a little bit, and I

(36:57):
walk outside and I sit down and I noticed there
was a dead silence that was I mean, it's so
weird when you're so used to noise and there literally
was dead silence, I mean, and we there was no birds,

(37:17):
there were There were no squirrels there, There were no
signs of any animal life whatsoever around there, and no sounds,
you know, of any animal life. It was very weird,
and I've whatn't it just dawned on me. It's almost

(37:40):
deaf andite. It's just I rarely ever experienced such silence
and stillness. And I ended up looking around wondering where
my wife was. And I look over and she was
sitting over on a bench. And I went over there
to see what the heck she was doing, and she
was over there, absolutely sold again. And there was only

(38:02):
two times in all that we've been together, the thirty
eight years, only two times. I mean, we have been
through a lot of stuff in our lives, and I've
never seen her like this ever, I mean before these times.
And she was over there, literally, and she's a tough woman.
I don't hardly ever see her crying. She's over the crying,

(38:25):
like what in the world, what's going on? You know,
And she's like, I don't know, I can't explain it.
You know, again here we go.

Speaker 5 (38:32):
You know.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
It's just something was really odd and off about this place,
and we now we try to sh I just was
trying to figure out what and what is going on here?
And why why are there no animals around here? We're
in the woods in the you know, up in the

(38:53):
mountain should be there should be birds, and there should
be animals all around us, and a seat. Nothing, not
a single thing, And of course I realized that we
were cut off from everything. My phones are not working,
so we needed some supplies. I couldn't even I was
gonna it's funny, all of a sudden, I realized that

(39:16):
I'm dependent on the silly phone. But I was going
to try to pull up the nearest little town so
we could go get some provisions. And I was unable
to do that. So you know, we had to get
ourselves out of there and start driving down to where
I really never was able to get reception out there.

(39:39):
We ended up coming across a little town down off
the mountain. Always picked up a few things, and once
we were down there, we were fine. We you know,
stopped off of a couple of places. It was like
a dry county there, but I found a little honey
farm that sold meat. They were somehow able to sell meat,

(40:02):
and I bought myself a little a bottle of that
to just sit up with the cabin with but we
were okay, you know, and it was you realized that
we were. As we were driving around, I saw a
historic sign and I love history, and I stopped off

(40:22):
the side of the road and got out and I
looked at it. I read that it was that marker
was where a a Cherokee village had once been and
it was now a big look like fielded area or valley.
I guess this had once been like the hubub of

(40:45):
for the Cherokee nation in the east there and you know,
it was just an empty space, you know, and yeah,
you know, I I can't remember all the details of that,
but it said the name of the place, I like

(41:06):
Otter Town or something, and you know, gave some dates.
They were there for a long time until unfortunately they
were forced off their land later. But we so we
went back up to the cabin and again while we
were up there, it just we were trying to enjoy

(41:27):
ourselves and we just just had this most uncomfortable feeling
of for again, for me, it was more of a
little bit of a fear factor about protecting my family.
For my wife, it was an overwhelming deep sadness thing

(41:48):
and for my son. He was uncomfortable. We normally would
be exploring all over the place, and we didn't hardly
go far from the cabin at all. There was a
pathway behind the cabin, and I was going to go
explore back there. And I started to walk up a
little incline on this pathway, and right as I just

(42:13):
started to get a little bit into it, I just
stopped myself in my tracks. Some little alarm in my
head just said, don't go any further than this, go back.
I don't know why, but interestingly, I asked my son
about this trip. I asked my wife and my son

(42:36):
about what their memories were. My son told me that
while they were there, he was in the kitchen. He
was looking out the back and he was looking at
that little trail there, and in his mind he imagined
some scary thing coming out of that trail. You know.

(43:00):
So I don't know, you know, it just maybe a
kid's imagination because he plays a lot of games and
here we are city suckers up in the mountains. But
I don't know, but I thought it was interesting that
he said that, you know, because I thought, I wonder
what is happening on this what's on this land? What's
going on? Why are we not seeing any animal life here?

(43:24):
I mean, you'd think that there'd be all kinds of
stuff going on there, and that dead silence is just
really creepy.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Yeah, it's a good thing that, I mean, it's not
good that it seems like, especially your wife, boy, she
can't go to a place that's dark in any way
and have a decent time. I feel horrible for her because,
as you say, it sounds like you guys, as you mentioned,
have been through a lot and you've seen her cry
very few times, so she was highly affected by all

(43:52):
these locations. But it's good that all of you were
willing to listen to that little inside voice and wonder,
and you probably do too. Had you ignored that and
just pushed on down the path, what might have occurred,
you know, or maybe the feelings would have amplified or so,
you know what, you would you have seen something, you know.

Speaker 4 (44:13):
Yeah, I mean, of course, my logical side of my
brain was going, is there an apex predator in the
area and that's why all the animals requiet? You know?
But you know, I've been up in the Smoky Mountains
and I've had inner. I've come across Bear many times
while I was there. There were times I spent months
up there working at one point in time on projects,

(44:34):
and and I would go out, and you know, I
loved nature, and I really enjoyed going around those places.
But there is a lot of history there as well,
and some of it is dark history, so you know,
I but my first thought is maybe there's a, yes,

(44:55):
some kind of predatorial animal, which is concerning. But then
I thought, well, why would my wife be so sad.
I wouldn't make my wife sad. This is something different,
you know. Again, she ended up just literally by this
after a couple of nights there, she was really declining

(45:18):
again in you know.

Speaker 6 (45:20):
She's just just absolutely depressed, in sad, weeping very heavily,
as if almost as if everyone she knew died, you know,
I mean, if not just one, but I mean the
the the emotion was so deep and so heavy.

Speaker 4 (45:42):
I mean, I've never seen anybody, I mean I don't
know that I've ever, certainly not her, ever weep like this.
I mean, this is a This was some serious emotion
going on, and it was very bizarre. We just didn't
even know how to think about it. But what we
ended up doing. By after day three, we ended up

(46:06):
packing our shit up and getting out of there. And
but it's weird. We felt like almost to where it
was an urgency that we need to get out of
the place. And you know, there was some guy who
was a caretaker of the place or something, and man,
I wanted to ask somebody, you know, hey, what's the

(46:26):
deal up? Here's what's going you know what's going on.
I never did ask the person who owned the place,
and I never said anything about leaving there early or anything.
But interestingly, as we were trying to get out of
their key, I was gonna had to lock the place
up and put the key in a lock box, and
I dropped it and it went right between some little

(46:49):
crack and some steps, and now we were stuck there.
We're trying to get out of there. It felt like
a like an urgency to get out of and we
were trying to fish this key out from this little Luckily,
my son, I don't know how he did it, but
he was able to get this key out of there,
so we could lock up and get out of the place.

(47:11):
But we couldn't feel like we couldn't get out of
there soon enough. And the crazy part is then after
we left, I ended up driving over to Gatlinburg, Tennessee,
and we paid for a hotel room to spend the
next few days so we could try to have some
kind of a vacation time. And once we got off

(47:34):
of that mountain and away from that property, my wife
was fine. We were all fine at that point. But
before that, being up in that area, there were a
few other cabins around, but they were at a distance
from us, and there was nobody around. It was very
very quiet. I mean, it's literally dead silence, and that

(47:57):
is probably the you know, you don't think about it,
but silence is a very very strange thing to happen
out in the forest, at least for me. I mean,
I've spent a lot of time as a kid playing
around in the woods and building forts and things. Rarely
did I ever experience dead silence, like, you know, anything

(48:19):
like that. And then when I came down off the mountain,
as we were heading down out, I came across another
historic marker and I caught my entry. Even though my
wife was ready to get the hell out of there,
I pulled over and I wanted to see what it
said and it it said that that area is where

(48:42):
the Trail of Tears ran through. Yeah, I know, and
I'm thinking my wife had trails and tears coming down
and pit the It's just horrific. A historic marker about
the Trail of Tears. Cherokee were driven off of their
life and eighteen thirty eight the military came and they

(49:06):
forced them off of their own land and marched them thousand,
I don't know, all the way across the country. And
you can imagine the fear and the terror that took
place in the agony of pain for all those people.

(49:28):
And I can't say that that's it, but I'm thinking
something stained that land, blood was spilled there. There was
maybe a curse or there is some kind of a
nature elemental on that property. I don't know, but that

(49:54):
driving out of there and seeing that, I thought, Wow, no, wonder,
this land feels weird. You know. So I don't know
that we'll never know the answer exactly, but you know,
it is interesting that in the cabin there was a
little book where people signed in stuff. And I wasn't
really paying too much attention, but I did see where

(50:15):
a couple of people mentioned that they heard things are
out there, but I thought, well, bears are up in
the mountains here, you know, I didn't think too much
about that. But yeah, I don't know. And of course
the other people could stay there and be pertly fine.

(50:36):
Maybe I don't know, but my wife picked up on
something big time. We all did, but she it affected
her the most. Again, and I've ever seen nothing like
this happen after that, only those two incidents, fortunately, but
it certainly did ruin another big planned vacation. And again
we've been We've rented many cabins in the past and

(50:59):
had great time, you know, and I love to take
my kid fishing and stuff, and you know, so it's
not like we haven't experienced these types of things before,
but just not like that.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
All right.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Next up, we have more cabin in the woods, but
this time it's in New York.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. This time it's in New York.
You know. It's funny. I'm from Western New York, so
this cabin is in western New York, right near the
Pennsylvania border. I wanted to, you know, get up there
and see my family. We have rented cabin on the
lake before, but you need to be early to get

(51:43):
a cabin booked for the summer months, and of course,
working around my kids' school schedule. It's like July, we
went up there, and you know, this time, I thought, hey,
why don't we stay over near this particular area and

(52:06):
that way we're close enough for me to drive into town,
but far enough away where it can be out and
doing our own little thing. You know, sometimes I love
my family, but when I would go up there, I
would get pulled in different directions, and you know it's
I wanted to have time just with my wife and
my son, to take him fishing and have quiet times.

(52:27):
Otherwise everybody will have me doing all kinds of things
that so I wanted to try please everybody. But we
decided to just go online and kind of randomly selected
a cab in a campsite area that rented cabins in

(52:48):
the area that I was kind of thinking of. So
near this area, there's a I mean, there's a place
called the Kinzu Dam that the whole area was Indian land.
Actually the at one point in time they sadly the

(53:09):
dam Kinzu Dam it had was taken over. The government
took over the land from the Seneca said they were
going to use this to build a dam, and it
forced them out of their you know, sacred land. So
now we're already starting off bad, right. So but the

(53:30):
cabin area we went to, it was you know, I
had to drive around some windy roads. We saw tons
of wildlife on our way there, which is what I
wanted to happen. You know, I was excited that. Wow,
look there's wild turkeys, there's deer. There's a little nerve
wracking driving around with all the deer running around, especially
if you're getting into the night time. And since the

(53:53):
road was kind of gnarly getting in and out of there,
I did not want to be driving at night trying
to get in there. But but you know, we got there.
There were other cabins on the site, but they were
not all butted up against each other. So our cabin.
Behind the cabin were a bunch of woods. It's some
real thick brush back in there. There was a little

(54:16):
trail that led to a pond in the far back,
and I when we first got there, we were going
to go out and explore around, and I took my
family started walking through this little pathway behind the cabin. Yeah,
I didn't realize till later that there's a there was
a mother bear and her three cubs back in there,
and we could have got Maulds back there, and nobody

(54:38):
warned us. You know. We start of like, well, a
lot of you know, going and I took my kid
down to the pond to throw his fishing pole in
there at one point. But then we started to see
the mother bear coming out towards the evening right through
our past our cabin with their babies, and I thought, wow,
that's a dangerous situation. We're not going back there again,

(55:00):
you know. So we were going back and forth to
into town to see my family and you know, this
is I think I get round twenty and sixteen and
right near where the cabin was was Allegheny State Forest.

(55:20):
State Park was near where we were, and there was
also a body of water. So we were in a
place called Cattaraugus County. The area, yeah, the Seneca in
the Seneca Land was all around in that area as
well in history was there. So we we went over

(55:44):
to a visit family the one day and my brother's
good friend was there and he said, Hey, where are
you guys staying And we were like, oh, we're staying
at this and he goes, oh, there's been bigfoot sightings
over there. You know. My wife's like, oh god, please,
now you know, oh well, you know, and I had

(56:06):
heard stories about hairy creatures, their bigfoot, I guess, growing
up up in western New York and in the around Pennsylvania,
western Pennsylvania. But honestly, I never really I always thought
that bigfoot was something that was in the north West.
But I thought it was an interesting thing. Of course,

(56:28):
anything that was weird got my attention, especially, you know,
it still does, so I never outgrew that at all.
But I always thought it was weird. But you know,
a lot of times it was blamed on the pot
smoking hippies saw something, claiming it was a hairy monster
type of thing, and you know, but it really did
ever put much thought into it. But anyways, my brother's

(56:52):
buddy said something, you know, I actually later on that
finding bigfoot. They had a an episode which was right
up in that area as well. So but we did
not go there looking for anything. We went there just
to simply get a cap and have some time with

(57:13):
nature and see family and stuff, have a vacation, and
everything was perfectly fine and normal. But one evening We
went to bed and it was like four o'clock in
the morning. Now it was cool in the evenings, so
the windows are open, nice little cool air coming in.

(57:34):
We were a sound asleep in our beds. Four o'clock
in the morning, I woke up to the loudest I
don't know what a roaring scream or how a scowling scream.
It was stockingly loud. I almost had like a subwoofer vibration.

(58:00):
It felt like a like a feel. It almost shot
me right up out of bed, and I was like,
what in the heck is that? You know, what's going on?
I always freaked out, And you know, again I've said
this before. My wife and my kids slept through this.

(58:21):
How could anybody sleep through something? I don't know, but
it freaked me out, and I you know, I only
heard it one time, but it was so shockingly loud.
And I've lived up there through my youth. I've never
heard anything ever that loud from anything. And I couldn't

(58:43):
figure out what was going on. I was really surprised
and frightened at that moment. Confused, very confused, and I
ran over and put my face up to the window,
was looking out and of course, it's it's dark out there.

(59:04):
The woods are pitch black. You could barely see the
horizon from the sky in the far distance where it's
a little lighter to divide the treetops from the but
from the dark sky. But it was while I was

(59:25):
sitting there, my heart was racing, you know, just kind
of like, I don't know, I couldn't figure out what
was happening. At that point, I started to hear what
sound like people in the woods. And I was sitting there,
sitting there, listening, and I'm like, oh my god, who
in the world is out here at four o'clock in

(59:46):
the morning in those thick woods. The more I listened,
it sounded like two or three people that were absolutely
drunk off their out of their minds, speaking in gibberish,
you know. And I I mean, I listened to this
for several minutes going on, and I thought about waking

(01:00:08):
up my family, you know. I was worried, like, oh
my gosh, it scared me. If it's people, that scarce
daylights out of me. I didn't know, if it's some
crazy animals. I I thought, for sure, my impression, I
thought for sure it was people. It's not like people
talking but not making any sense. It just sounded so weird.

(01:00:32):
I thought, who, what drunken maniacs are out here doing this?
There was no flashlights or anything that those what's the
brush was so thick you can't just go wandering off
in their easily. There's not any space open space to

(01:00:52):
be able to walk around in there. It's literally pricker
bushes and BlackBerry bushes and you know that type of thing.
You would not be able to get around easily going
through there. But I sat there listening and just very
confused and unnerved as to what in the heck was happening.

(01:01:16):
And eventually it stopped. I could hear some things cracking
and some noises of some brush, you know, so it
sounded like they were right out just not far from
our cabin, into the woods over out there, and you know,

(01:01:38):
it was everything else was quiet. Nobody was. I mean,
there was nothing going on other than hearing these wacky sounds,
like I say, of some kind of crazy gibberish of
whatever was going on there. And later I found of

(01:01:58):
because I started looking into this stuff after where all
this happened, and realized that there were people that had
made claims in that area. The actual whole area has
a reputation of a lot of weird stuff. Apparently. I
saw that it's considered a kind of a hot spot
for odd things in another episode. I'll tell you that

(01:02:22):
something I didn't realize when we booked that cabin anything
about any of this stuff, you know, But I realized
later that I had a childhood experience not far from
where that cabin was, and again not knowing anything about
the history of odd stuff that has been purported to

(01:02:46):
happen around there. But I saw nothing. I can't claim.
I can't I can't claim that it was bigfoot. I
just can't figure out what in the heck it could
have been. I mean, uh and uh. Later I heard
I don't know the term samurai chatter and heard some

(01:03:10):
of that recording stuff, and I thought, oh my god,
you know, could this really be happening? And how could
all this stuff happen to me? Why? Why? Me? You know,
what in the world is it possible? But I can't
think of anything else. I just can't figure out what
it could possibly be. There's no animal that I can

(01:03:33):
know of that could have the lung capacity to have
that kind of a volume, and a I don't know
what that tone is that it's like a low base
tone or something thrown into it to make it feel
like you almost could feel it. I don't know. You
know a lot more about the subject than I do,

(01:03:53):
but it was weird. Of course, the next morning I
told my family and they're like, oh lord, you know,
but yeah, that happened, and I was really nervous about that.
I didn't want to go out in this woods at
that point. I was like, I don't know what's out there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Well that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
I was not expecting you to bring up a samurai
chatter like bigfoot experience, but it is certainly very.

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
Feels I feel kind of embarrassed, well, because it just
seems like, okay, wait a minute, all these crazy things.
You know, people just go one person can't have this
many things.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
A lot of people do though you know that you've
heard the shows. A lot of people have a lot
of experiences.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
And so you know, then I go, all right, did
I this what seemed like my wife and I randomly
picking this location? Well you know, there was a reason
we picked that location, and I just wanted to but
I didn't realize till later that there and you know,

(01:05:03):
I of course, I once I go in something like
that happens, you can't forget about. So I went into
some deep dives, and you don't believe me. I actually
got into the big foot thing a lot more since then,
because I you know, I.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
Oh, you're so weird. No way you got into.

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
It after that, big time, big time.

Speaker 7 (01:05:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
Yeah, yeah, I've I've communicated with a lot of the people. Well. Uh,
but at the time, you know, I was always interested
in anything unusual, and I had heard that there were
people claiming to have had had settings. Well, since then,
I did some homework and I realized that, you know,

(01:05:43):
of course Pennsylvania is one of the top places that
there are a big foot sighting. Yeah, and we were
literally right on the border of Pennsylvania New York and
that particular area. It's got some really strange history and
some of these stories go back. I ended up buying

(01:06:07):
a book, you know, it was news reports going back
in Pennsylvania, I mean of hairy men being seen and
escaped gorillas and stuff going back to eighteen hundreds and
so forth. And then of course you have the native
people's I mean the Senec, you know they that area.

(01:06:28):
I realized and found out that there are all kinds
of stories of shape shifting animals and strange creatures, and
that they actually right near where we were staying. There
is a place they call it the Hill of Dead Witches. Yeah,
it's really crazy. It's right off of the Alleghany State Park.

(01:06:49):
So there's orbs light, orbs have been seen, their UFOs,
bigfoot reports in that area. But I didn't know any
of that stuff when we went there, of course, And
of course my brother's buddy was like, ah, there's been
a big you know. But I remember in high school

(01:07:12):
three guys told me one time they had an experience.
So this is going back in the nineteen seven late seventies,
and they were like, dude, something weird happened to us
last night, you know, kind of like what And they
were like, well, we were driving down the road. Of course,
typical for the way we were living back in those days,

(01:07:33):
a bunch of guys would be in a car, muscle
car of some kind and driving out in the country
roads hooting and hollering and probably stop somewhere and have
a bonfire or whatever, you know, just kind of not
doing anything terrible, just doing crazy country boys kind of stuff.
These guys told me they were driving down the road

(01:07:55):
at night. There's no street lights, there's nothing. You're out
there in farm country, owing hills and farm country out there,
dairy farms, laboratory farm. They saw a horizontal, white, horizontal
stripe on the side of the road up, you know,
six feet up in the air. So and they turned

(01:08:17):
to look at it, and they realized that there was
a large, dark creature holding a deer in its arms
on the side of the road. As they looked and
realized that there was some huge creature with the deer
in its arms. And when they told me that, I

(01:08:39):
was like, what are you guys smoking? You know, I
didn't know what the thing, but they were so serious
about it. I felt bad to tease them at the
that point. And I was like really, and they were like, man,
scared the heck out of us. We hit the gas
and got out of there. You know, this thing was huge.
You you know, they're like it'd be like sat eight

(01:08:59):
feet tall, you know, kind of a thing. And you know,
I thought about that many times. But then years later
I started reading many cases of people seeing them carrying
a deer and have thought, well, it's a huge food source.
Why wouldn't they you know, so, I don't know, makes
you wonder.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
So once you heard the Sierra sounds, you were going, Okay,
that's that is very similar to what I heard, right, so.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
Kind they freaked me out really because it really there
was a great similarities. Yeah, so I want to.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
Play a couple of things for you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
And honestly, when I was on with Brian for his
Sasquatch Odyssey, he wasn't able to hear these sounds live
very well, so I don't know if he will be
able to, but they'll definitely come through the recording. So Barry,
if you can't, the whole point is really love you
hear it, but hopefully you can a little bit. But
these are some of the recordings from Donna and Gregg's

(01:09:56):
property up in Washington State. And if anybody wants to
listen to Donna on with David who is essentially the
audio guru of the Olympic Project, that is his official title,
via me, they can listen to that on my episode
three hundred. But anyway, here are a little bit of
the recordings that this is right off. She would set

(01:10:18):
the recorder on the on the porch right on the railing.
So this is right off of the porch of her house.
So here's one of the sounds.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
So that was looped obviously. Were you able to hear
that a little bit?

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
Very yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Okay, good? Yeah? And here is.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
Okay, check this one out. This one is called family disagreement.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
Aka Jurassic Park.

Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
I dubbed that one Jurassic Park myself, I think. But
you can hear like this.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
This crazy, huge screaming yell with as you say something
with big old lungs, and then like one of those
what they call power knock. I mean, we don't really.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
Know what they mean usually, but to me, that was
a shut the hell up knock.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
I don't know, yeah, but it's that's why David or
and or Donna named that one family disagreement. But uh,
it definitely sounds like a disagreement of some sort, some
kind of a lover's quarrel or the kids are pissing
the parents off. But I bet when you are at
a cabin like you guys were, and you're also the
only one awake, and you're going, am I really hearing

(01:11:41):
this right now?

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
Like this is? It's got to be terrifying.

Speaker 4 (01:11:44):
I just you know, of course, I'm not expecting anything
like this. You know, if I wish that I could
have had a recorder, I should wish I would have
had my phone out in But yeah, I didn't think
of any of this till later. God, yeah, I wish
I had something, you know. But I'll tell you, Yeah,
it sounded like two three two to three creatures. I'm

(01:12:11):
going to say, because I'm pretty sure they were not
human beings, even though I was trying to convince myself
of that. But and they were. They were having a conversation,
and you know, it sounded like they were insanely drunk,
gibberish kind of you know. This was no words that

(01:12:32):
I could make out. And there were a few high
little crazy you know, like you're like, what in the
world these people doing out there? You know, I there
were there was definitely some grunting and some you know,
strange high notes that were going on and things as well.
But a lot of it sounded like there was a

(01:12:54):
communication of some kind. Perhaps I don't know, but it was. Yeah,
there's no words that I could ever understand at all,
And I don't know that there were words, but there
were verbalizations going on and there was more than one
out there, and it was close to the cabin. And
I sat and listened for several minutes, and I was really,

(01:13:20):
I don't know, shocked, and I was more frightened than
I was, just very confused, couldn't figure out who in
the world and what is happening. And then the next
day I thought to go to the office at the
cabin's but I started to walk over there because I
was like, I want to ask these people if I

(01:13:41):
stopped myself. I was too embarrassed to go in there
and go any weird noises, you know, but I was
so to the you know, it was just shocking. Only
heard the one loud roaring, I don't know, howl scream uh,
and then which woke me up out of a deep sleep.

(01:14:01):
And then started to hear this. I could hear something
moving around in the brush in there, and then I
started hearing this vocalization stuff going on. And I listened
to it for several minutes, and you know, I never
was I was not going to go out there.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
Looking no, I mean, yeah, who would.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
I mean, let's face it, even if it was people,
which you can tell if it's drunk people, and it
sounds like it was not even if. But if it was,
that's still not an ideal situation. When you're out at
a cabin in the woods where you're not familiar with
the area, you're not familiar with who's around, not an
ideal situation at all. Okay, last, but not least, we

(01:14:47):
are going to a Victorian hotel on a lake.

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
Yes, Oh my goodness, Oh, I can sure pick them.
I'll tell you that. Well. Yes, So we ended up
going to a place in Pennsylvania again, and this time
I got two thousand and nine written down here. So
I don't think things were in chronological order here, but
they're all combined into one subject matter at least. So

(01:15:16):
I was trying to think of someplace again. I during
the summer, I want to get the heck out of
Florida because it's brutal here. This is like hades down
here this summer months, you know. So I want to
get up north. I do like to try to go
and see family every few years or whatever if I can.
So I was going to try to get close enough

(01:15:37):
to go visit my family, but if possible, I had
a memory from my childhood about a theme park. Now
my son was young at this time. I think he
was like seven years old at this at that time,
so you know, we're always trying to cater to find

(01:15:58):
things for him that were fun to do and stuff,
and of course that makes all of us have a
good time. And I remembered a place called Connia Lake Park.
It was a it was an old amusement park and
when I was a kid, probably late sixties or early seventies,

(01:16:18):
I remember going there a few times and they had
family picnic and that, and there was old all these
old rides and stuff there, you know, the dodge and
bumper cars, and they had something that I really enjoyed,
which was called the Devil's Den, which is a little
dark ride. You get in this little cart and they
push you down the thing and it drops and you

(01:16:40):
see black light things popping out at you in That
was a thrill. And so there was a there was
a old wooden roller coaster called the Blue Streak that
my dad and I went on there once and that
was enough for us. But you know, I had some
fun memories from childhood there. And it's right on a lake,
and so you had people that were out there around

(01:17:03):
the lake, you know, all kinds of concession stands and
games and things to do, you know, so my memories
from way back when we're great. But and I thought, wow,
let me look this place up. And when I did,
I saw that it looked like it was still around.
And there's there was a big Victorian era hotel right

(01:17:26):
next door to the amusement park. And I thought, wow,
this would be great. This would be a perfect place
to go take our vacation. And I showed my wife
the image of the hotel and there's this big rounded
porch out there overlooking the lake, and you know, it

(01:17:47):
looked like a really neat place to go. And she thought, wow, okay, yeah,
this this this looks like gona be great but perfect.
Let's do it. So she called and made reservations to
for a week to stay at this hotel. We ended
up so the place is like an hour north of Pittsburgh.

(01:18:08):
So we flew up to Pittsburgh, got a rental car,
and we drove up to this place. And honestly, you know,
getting out there, it's almost in the middle and there's
really not a lot around this area, but it's it's nice.
There's a lot of Amish country, uh, and so there's
a lot of country living out there, and you know,

(01:18:31):
there's a but it was it's pleasant. It's nice to
get away, especially when you live in the congested area
like we do. And so we were excited. And when
we finally got up to the place and I saw
the amusement park, I was a little heartbroken to see
that it looked like it was on its last leg,
you know, like, oh, my childhood memories have just got

(01:18:55):
faded away a bit. But we got there on a
Friday night and there was there was a art little
arts artsy craft show. The event going on out in
a little park right in front of the hotel by
the lake. So there were people out and about there,
and uh, there was also a wedding taking place, I

(01:19:18):
think on that Friday night, and so there was a
hub of stuff going on at the hotel when we
first got there, and it was pretty exciting, you know,
to see things going on. We were, you know, we're
excited to check everything out. And we ended up entering
into the hotel. And this place was built in nineteen

(01:19:42):
oh It was built in nineteen oh two. Yeah, the
place was built in nineteen oh two, and it's three stories.
It has a. When we walked in, there was a
big staircase in the lobby. There was big curved staircase.

(01:20:02):
It takes you up to the second floor. There was
a little bar in there and a little area to
the left that was sort of a place to sit
and chill out and hang out around a fireplace and stuff.
It was neat and place was old as you know,
and you know, it needed some work. It had changed

(01:20:25):
hands through the years and number of times. I think
somebody had purchased it not long before we came there
to stay, and they were trying to, you know, fix
things up. But all in all, we our rooms are
very simplistic, you know that they're not big lavish rooms
like there nowadays these Back in those days, the room

(01:20:49):
was pretty small, nothing fancy at all about it. But
again it was it was okay. We had two beds
in their one smaller bed on the one side and
a bigger bed on the other. So there's a little
bed for my son and not It's a pretty small room.
But we got ourselves checked in and everything was fine.

(01:21:12):
You know. One thing that I should mention is when
I was looking up this place somewhere in reading in there,
I read that the place supposedly had a ghost bride,
which I didn't take very serious because every place seems
to have a ghost bride, you know. But it made

(01:21:32):
me think, oh, you know what, I'm going to buy
one of them little ghosty meter things. Me and my
kid can go and have a little scooby I was
calling it scooby Doo fun. And I thought I'll just
bring that with order that online and have that too,
so we could go around and have some fun. And

(01:21:55):
I really didn't take any of the little bit of
story that I saw online serious at all, and but
I bought a cheap little EMF meter, and I this
first time I had ever even touched one of those devices,
and so that was the first time and it was

(01:22:15):
I didn't spend a lot of money on it because
I really didn't take it too serious. But I thought
it'd be just fun and I was looking for things
to do with my kids, so and he thought it
was neat too, So we I revealed that to my wife,
of course, somewhere as our trip was underway, that you know,

(01:22:37):
bought that thing. She's like, oh my goodness, what are
you guys doing. But my kids like, yeah, let's go
do it. But we went around the hotel exploring the
first night that we were there, and I guess say
there was a wedding going on. You know, the place
is big, kind of old, creepy hotel, but it was

(01:22:57):
you know, kind of fun. You know, was with everything
that was going on there, it's kind of having a
good We were having a good time. You know. We
actually did see that the hotel openly was had some
little sheet printed out with the story of this ghost
bride thing now and again, you know like ok, yeah, whatever.

(01:23:24):
But there was a big fire that took place in
like early nineteen forties and half of the hotel burnt
down after being hit by lightning. There was Yeah, that
place was. It was big already, but it was huge
at one point in time on that and you know,
the the amusement park was there from the eighteen hundreds.

(01:23:48):
I mean, that place was ancient. You know, we've been
there for a long time. And prior to the hotel
being built there, there were other some other things that
were going on in that location. I don't know if
they call it a livery or livery. I think they

(01:24:09):
had paddle boats. They would come up and they were
loading things onto the boats, and I don't know what.
There was a lot of action going on there, but
they somewhere along the line, started to turn that into
some kind of an amusement park and entertainment kind of
a place to go for vacationers wealthy, probably Victorian vacationers

(01:24:33):
or something. So it had some history around there. But anyway,
we one of the things that they claimed was that
sometimes things would go missing, and I thought, Oh, that's
convenient for the maide service to go. Oh, you might
have stuff go missing in your room, like what you know,

(01:24:55):
But okay, I didn't know. It was like, oh the
bride my just take something out of here, and like, hmmm,
I don't know about that. Well, I don't even think
we had made service while we were there. We may
have asked for some extra towels maybe, but other than that,
this place, the service at that time was not great, uh,

(01:25:17):
and nor were we needy to need too much help anyway.
But while we were there, somewhere along the line, one
of the keys that was on the dresser did go missing,
and it ended up back by the time we left,
but we looked all over the place for it, and

(01:25:37):
I'm like, what are people working here messing with us
or something? It was. It was weird, you know. But
after so the Friday and Saturday, things were pretty busy,
uh and uh. But Sunday everybody left. Things got real
quiet around there, and my son and I decided to

(01:25:58):
go out. My wife stayed in the room, and we
decided to go out and walk around the place with
our little meter. We walked out and we went up
the grand staircase. As soon as we hit the top
of the staircase, we had a cold spot. Now there's
no air conditioning in this hotel, by the way, we

(01:26:18):
hit a cold spot right there and the meter was
going crazy and my son, who was seven, we have
it on it. We brought a little voice recorder with us,
a digital recorder, and I actually found listen to this
tape recently. I came across it and I didn't know
what was on there, and I heard his little voice
and he's talking to whatever was standing at the top

(01:26:41):
of the stairs, and oh my god, he was so
put me in tears. He's got this sweet little voice.
You get hello, we know that you're here. We don't
mean you any harm, but we just want you do
He was very intelligent kiddy, but just know that we
don't meet you in harm. We just trying to communicate

(01:27:02):
with you. And because he goes, I'm covered in goosebumps, Daddy,
and I said, so am I, you know, And it
was kind of a surprise that I'm like, wow, something
really is happening here. And then, unfortunately, to my surprise,
he did something else that made me very uncomfortable. He goes,
he put his hand out and he goes touch my

(01:27:23):
hand to let me know that you're here, something like that.
And then all of a sudden, oh great, I wish
he didn't say that. And then he said, Daddy, my
hand's getting cold. And I said, okay, well, let's let's
go now. And we started to walk down the hallway.
And as we continued to walk down the hall I

(01:27:46):
remember he said to me, Daddy, I still have goosebumps.
It's following us. And I went, yeah, I know it is.
You know. I could feel the hair standing up on
the back of my neck too. As we were walking
down the hallway, and eventually we made it back down
to our room. It really did feel like something that
was a presence was following us. And my son turned

(01:28:11):
around and goes, we don't. He goes, we need you
to leave now. We're going into our room, so just
thank you, but you need to go away now, and
I was you know, we went inside and my wife said, well,
how did everything goes? And we were like, well, it
was interesting for sure, and it didn't really I knew

(01:28:33):
at that point there was something something going on there.
It felt like there was definitely a presence happening, but
you know, it was it was fun. We we were
enjoying ourselves for the most part. I started getting a
little unnerved when he said to touch him and put
his hand out and then actually said he was feeling that,
and I could feel that there was a presence around

(01:28:55):
us and not knowing, but I think he did ask
are you the bro or whatever? And there was no response,
and they said something like are you at somebody else?
And the meter was kind of going off. So that
was kind of interesting. But we found out that there
were other rumors in this hotel as well, for other spirits. Now,

(01:29:22):
I'm pretty sure that most of these were legends that
they may have started with some kind of factual event possibly,
but they have been turned into these legends. I'm quite
sure that a lot of these are been made up
through the years, or a story that just keeps changing
and changing. So, you know, the story about the bride

(01:29:45):
is that she was killed in the fire in the
nineteen forties and that the groom got out safe and
she died in the fire. Honestly, I tried to look
that up and never found anything about that at all.
And as matter of fact, I believe I found that

(01:30:06):
the time of the fire was off season, so there
would have been nobody at the hotel when that fire happened.
So all this story about this bride was made up
for whatever reason or evolved into that, I guess. But
that doesn't mean the place isn't haunted. It just means

(01:30:27):
that they but they kept, you know, they were talking
about this bride, you know, and it just I don't
think it ever happened. I don't think that there was
anything like that that ever happened there. But they their name,
they were calling Elizabeth and so. And then they also
had a story of a chef that went berserk and

(01:30:49):
killed somebody, and they say that he was known to
throw knives around down in the kitchen. So that was
another strange thing. We also so read that there was
supposedly a child ghost that rides around on his tricycle
down the hallways, and that he rode accidentally rode his

(01:31:12):
tricycle down the set of steps which was right the
hallway that we were at, and he fell on down
the stairs and broke his neck and died again. I
could never find anything on any of those stories, and
I tried to look it up. So but again, something
weird was going on in the place. And one of

(01:31:34):
the things that after everybody left after the weekend, the
whole place seemed like it shut down to where I
I not to complain, the place is changing hands. It's
changed hands now, but I could not even get a
dang cup of coffee, and that just really gets me angry.
In the morning, I'll tell you, I'm like, oh my god,

(01:31:54):
what and the word is everybody like it can't even
get any coffee here. So we would have to get
dressed and leave the hotel and go into a little
I don't know, I wouldn't even call it a town,
a little village or something, and find a diner and
go to get some breakfast, and then if we wanted dinner,
we had to go back and do the same thing.

(01:32:15):
So this was not an ideal situation. But when I
would come back to the hotel, I try to get
into the place and the doors would be locked, and
I was getting really pissed off. I was like, what
in the heck? And I found myself in the parking
lot was behind the hotel, like it was at basement level,

(01:32:37):
so you got drove down into a little downward a
little bit into the back of the hotel, and we
were going into the from the back, but the door
would be locked when we would try to get up
to it. And then I would walk all the way
around the hotel and up a incline to get to

(01:32:57):
the front door, and I get there and the door
would be locked, and I'd be like pissed off and
I'd start banging on the door. Eventually somebody show up
and I'd be like, what the heck man, I'd pay
I'm paying guests, and you guys keep locking the doors.
What are you doing? And the poor people are looking
at me like they just didn't know, they had no

(01:33:17):
answer for me, and they didn't say anything to me.
But it was like a weird awkwardness about it. And
it happened that happened about three times while we were there.
I was really let them know that I'm a pretty
easy going person, but man, this is really irritating the
heck out of me. And they just never answered me

(01:33:38):
what the deal was. But one day when we were
coming back from having our breakfast, we were going towards
our room and we looked down the hallway and we
see something bouncing down the hall on the left side,
and it looked like it was popping down. We thought
it was a rabbit or something like. Thought it was

(01:34:00):
some kind of an animal hopping down the hallway. We
were like, oh, my gosh, what is that an animal
in here? There must be some kind of wild animals
in here, and you know, we're animal people. We were like, oh,
maybe it's trapped in here or something. You know, We're
trying to go see what in the world was going on.

(01:34:23):
And the thing crossed the hallway and it went into
a room that was on the other side of the
hall that had the door open, and we immediately kind
of went down there quickly and went into the room
where this thing had hopped down in there, or hopped
itself in there, bounced. I don't know if I'd say, bouncing,

(01:34:46):
maybe it would be better where uh, And we were
looking all around in there. The room looked like it
was just being used for some storage or actually looked
like they were using it for doing maintenance. In the
place that there was a they had a couple of
saw horses and looked like they had some cans of paint.

(01:35:06):
They were doing some stuff, probably fixing up place and
using that room just to do use as a little
workspace or something. I don't know. There wasn't too much
in there, but we looked everywhere and there was no
sign of any animal at all in there. And then
we started to just look at each other and I
started going, I don't remember this thing having a tail,

(01:35:28):
And no, I don't remember d having actually feet. Did
you see any then? Really? No, ears, I don't even
think it had a head. We realized like it was
just a weird fuzzy ball, but it was you know, actually,
my wife and I were talking about it not long ago,

(01:35:49):
and she goes, I go, uh, it's like a gray ball,
kind of a fuzzy thing bouncing down. She goes, no,
I don't know, it's more of a brownie color. It's well,
we all agreed we saw something strange kind of bouncing
down the hallway, assumed it was an animal, but then
reality was, I don't think this was an animal at all.

(01:36:14):
It was something weird and we just don't know what
it was. But it animals heavi ears heads, tails typically,
especially if it's bouncing. We thought it was a rabbit
because you know, it seemed like it was hopping or something.
But in hindsight, it was like it would have been
like the size of a rabbit. It wasn't like a

(01:36:34):
rat or something was bigger than that. Yeah, we watched
it go down the hallway for a bit and then
cut across into that room. We immediately went in there
no sign of it, and so I think that that
was something strange and paranormal.

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
That's a really cool sighting.

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
I like that that weird little where you like, I
think it's an animal, but then when you go to
you do the inventory from everybody, you go, well, didn't
have a head, no tail, no discernible pause or feed
or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:37:09):
Uh, that's a cool one.

Speaker 4 (01:37:12):
Yeah, it was weird, And you know, the strange thing
is this trip, everything was kind of fun and interesting
up to this point. Now the weird part is now
we're we are the only people staying in this huge hotel.
There's a very little staff. I barely could find anybody

(01:37:32):
in there. It's there's a creepy vibe going on, I mean,
you know, and I never thought about it too much.
But then there's this decrepit little theme park next door,
which there was only a few rides that were running
and a few people that actually were working there when
we were there. So I would take my kid over
there and put them on the bumper cars with me

(01:37:53):
and we'd have a little bit of fun or do
some of that I don't know, the ring trying to
some of the little arcade games and things like that there.
But you know, you could see this place it was
just literally dying as terrible death. You know. It was sad.
But you know, one of the other things that I

(01:38:15):
noticed when we were there was that there was a
remains of a building that was burnt down there, and
I found out that that was a There's actually a
history of fires on this property, which is really strange.
In nineteen oh eight, there was a huge fire that
took place that burned everything that was there down to

(01:38:37):
the ground. Well, actually, now that i'm looking at it.
The hotels I have written that was built in nineteen
oh two, so I guess whatever the hotel was spared,
but other things on the property were burnt down or something.
I'm not sure. I may have my dates, may I
think I wrote things down. And then in nineteen forty

(01:38:59):
three is when the hotel got hit by lightning in
half of the building was burnt down. And then in
two thousand and eight there was a fire, and we
were there in two thousand and nine. So in two
thousand and eight was a fire and it was a
dance hall that had been there for many, many years,
a lot, you know, it's been there forever. That dance

(01:39:21):
hall had caught on fire and burnt to the ground.
And then there was another fire in twenty and thirteen,
and it was after we were there. A building that
was on the lake that was a used for a
little restaurant, Hamburger John. Of course it was closed. When

(01:39:42):
we wanted to go in there after the weekend, we
couldn't get anything. But that place had burnt to the
ground and a building next to it. And then in
twenty twenty there was a guy who was arrested for arson.
We went into the hotel and he got into the

(01:40:03):
kitchen where supposedly the mad chef was that through nis,
and he put a bunch of stuff onto the gas
stoves and lit it on fire try. They arrested this
guy for and there were people in the hotel at
the time, for trying to burn the place down. So

(01:40:24):
it's really weird that this this, these repetitive fires have
happened down this property. It's a strange thing, you know.
But anyways, things started to take a turn for the
scary for us while we were there. One night, we
were in bed in our room and my son was

(01:40:46):
across from us in his little bed and it was
like three o'clock in the morning or something, and I
woke up and I was felt felt like there. I
don't know's I felt the presence or I felt a
chill in the air. I just knew something was wrong.

(01:41:07):
And I opened my eyes and I looked over and
my little boy's in bed and his arm is up
in the air and it's pointing towards the base of
his bed, up in the air, pointing up, And I said,
what are you doing? And he's he just goes ghost

(01:41:28):
and that's scared to live and crap out of me
and Papa Bear Mode jumped in and I just get
out of here and get away from my kid, you
know kind of thing. And then I picked him up
and it put him in bed with my wife and
I laid. I couldn't sleep, But after that I stayed awake,

(01:41:51):
kind of vigil stay vigil to make sure my family
was safe, and because things just felt like the getting
creepier as we were there. I think actually before well anyways,
I'll move on to the other thing. But that happened,
and it really bothered me because I thought, oh, my gosh,

(01:42:13):
here we are that our most vulnerable sleeping and now
my kid he's you know, he's probably quite If there
are beings there, they he would definitely get their attention.
And and of course when he's going, hey, touch my hand,
you know, and he's talking to them, Oh my gosh,
what did I do?

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
Well, what did he tell you what he saw or
did you ask him or did you not want to
really go down that road with him? Which is understandable.

Speaker 4 (01:42:41):
Yeah, Well, interestingly, the next morning I asked him about it,
and he said he didn't remember anything. He was confused.
He woke up in the other bed, but he didn't
know anything.

Speaker 3 (01:42:51):
That's good, that's probably for the best.

Speaker 4 (01:42:54):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. But you know what's the weird part
was for me? And when I woke up and then
I just kind of felt a presence, like you know,
I you know, I don't know, like psychically or whatever.
I picked up on something wrong and I looked over
and there's his little arm sticking up in the air
with his finger pointing. When I called his name, I said,

(01:43:19):
what do you what's what are you doing? And then
the word ghost came out of his mouth. I realized
that there was something standing at the end of his bed,
you know, and you know, I just pop a bear
mode told it to get the hell out and stay
out kind of thing, right and man, and that unnerved

(01:43:40):
me the big time. And I thought, oh gosh, what
did I do? And you know, I was kind of
re at that point. It was all fun and you
know at first, but then I thought, oh, man, why
did if I knew we were going to be the
only people in this creepy place, you know, and I
didn't expect it to be really haunted or thing. But

(01:44:01):
one I think prior to this happening, we took a
trip around. My wife, my son and I walked around
the place again, and we went up to the third
floor and my son and I I had the little
EMF meter and he had the little digital recorder. You know,
we were doing this was before things got a little scary.

(01:44:24):
I should have said this before the My wife was
ahead of us and she's all the doors. You could
just open up the doors and look in them, you know.
So she's checking out rooms in the hotel and my
son and I are in the back, and she went
into one of the rooms up there on the third floor,
and I hear her saying, why didn't they give us

(01:44:45):
this room? It's so much nicer than ours, you know,
kind of a thing. Meanwhile, my son is there talking
to the digital recorder. He going show us a sign
of your presence, kind of a thing. And she comes
out of the room. I wasn't looking actually at the time,
but I hear a door slam and then I look

(01:45:08):
up and my wife is standing in the hallway and like,
did you just slam the door? And she said no
when she the door slammed on it. So and after
she had gone into that room, and I, you know,
of course, I well, you know that that might be.
We caught it on our recorded the door slamming, but

(01:45:31):
I was like, well, there might be a reason they
didn't give you that room. You know, it's already occupied.
But that was kind of interesting, you know. So I
only got door slamming here and during the daytime, you know,
we were just wandering around, but there was no windows
open or anything, so there's no breeze, no no breeze

(01:45:53):
or anything like that to cause that. But it slammed
pretty hard and let her know that, hey, you're not
welcoming here. And so that did happen. Another thing that
happened one night we went to bed. I had this

(01:46:13):
really crazy dream and it was very I guess lucid.
It was very It felt like it was real. Everything
in it was almost a mirror image of reality of
the situation. And so what the dream was is that

(01:46:37):
my son and I were in our rental car in
the parking lot in the back of the hotel. I guess.
My wife was like, we were waiting for my wife
who was in the hotel, I guess, and I'm looking
at him in the rear view mirror, and we were
just goofing around, just talking and whatever be silly, And

(01:47:00):
all of a sudden, I see my son's expression change
in the mirror to one of fear, and I turned
to my left. I'm in the driver's seat of the car.
I turned to my left to see what scaring him.
And as I turned right up against the glass of

(01:47:23):
the window of the driver's seat, there's a very very
angry man. His hands are up on the window, his
face is right up near the almost on the glass,
and he's got this horrifically terrifying look on his face.

(01:47:43):
He's got a beard, very very specific person. I mean,
everything looked exactly as it would be the hotel. It
was like during the daytime. It looked just like as
if we were sitting there in the car at the hotel.
And yet there's this really frightening man there. And man,

(01:48:10):
I woke up in a cold sweat from that, and
my heart was pounding, and it was I went, oh,
my god, that was not just a dream. That thing
showed itself to me and it wanted me to know
that we weren't welcome there. And I at that point
I really became frightened for my family. And it was scary.

Speaker 3 (01:48:35):
I mean, did you start to think it was time
to go at.

Speaker 4 (01:48:38):
That point or yeah, yeah, yeah, but well I started
thinking that probably a couple of days before that. But
at this point time, thank goodness, we were at that
point where our time was just about up. So I
think we may have had one more night to deal

(01:48:58):
with before we had to leave. But I was ready
to get the heck out of there for a while
before that. And uh, you know, just that that was
absolutely scared to crap out. I mean, you know, the
weird part is the kitchen is right next to where
we were parked. In that kitchen where the supposedly the

(01:49:20):
mad chef was was right would be almost in front
of where we were sitting in the car. You know,
when you go through that little back door, the kitchen
would have been to the right there. And I don't
know that that was what. I have no idea, but
there was a it was an angry male figure and

(01:49:44):
it this was not your ordinary dream at all. And
uh man, that that just absolutely had me really frightened
at this point for my family, so we were really
ready to get the heck out of there. Now. I
will say that in twenty twenty four, the property changed hands.

(01:50:10):
Somebody bought it, and they're renovating it, and I don't know,
you know, what they're gonna their take will be, and
they're going to continue on with these stories that they
were the legends, or they're going to try to hide
put that under the rug, you know. But I, of course,

(01:50:30):
after that trip, I started to really do some research
because I prior to that, I you know, didn't think
too much about it. But after that, I was trying
to verify any of the stuff. And I could not
verify any of the stories that they were saying. But
I have no doubt in my mind that the place
is definitely very haunted. And right after apparently a couple

(01:50:55):
of months after we were so we were there in July,
so around October were that same year, the TV show
Paranormal what was it Nation or wait, Paranormal State showed
up there and it aired in December two thousand and nine,

(01:51:15):
and they were in there. I was surprised when I
saw that, you know, because I was like, oh, wow,
somebody actually came in there to investigate. And one of
the things that they were saying was regarding the bride thing,
that maybe there was a called an eggrigor or a
I don't know what. There's another word for where people

(01:51:37):
enough people think something and believe it or put that
energy into it that it creates something.

Speaker 3 (01:51:46):
Yes, yeah, Tulper thought for him.

Speaker 4 (01:51:49):
Yes, yes, so they were suggesting that that might be.
You know this what's happening with regarding with this bride.
I believe when I watched it, and again we had
no did I nothing that I could. I saw nothing

(01:52:10):
like that. I you know, I didn't see. But we
did have a key that disappeared and then ended up
back a few days later in the exact spot that
it was originally on the dresser, which was interesting. But
I don't know if it a ported and I don't know,

(01:52:31):
I don't know if or or just somebody was messing
with us. But we looked all over for the key.
We were always together, so we only needed the one key.
But I thought, I don't know what happened to it.
I didn't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:42):
And this is one of the card keys car keys
yet or is an actual key?

Speaker 4 (01:52:49):
No, no, this place, this place was old school, so
it was just a yeah, yeah, yeah, and uh so
my wife put hers on the dresser. It was just
there and then all of a sudden she you know,
starts asking me, and I'm mister d Man, did you
take the key? You know? And no, I only got

(01:53:10):
the one key, you know, And we looked, we searched
the entire room. We could not find that key anywhere.
And we looked around there a couple times for that key.
And then prior to us leaving, the key ended up.
It was gone for several days and then all of
a sudden, the key ended up back in the same spot.

Speaker 2 (01:53:29):
Well, you know, it was still there the whole time,
it was just in the fifth dimension, so you just
couldn't see it.

Speaker 4 (01:53:35):
Well there you go. Because you know, again, unless the
people at the hotel are messing with us, which I
don't know why they would do that, but I mean,
what would they gain from that?

Speaker 2 (01:53:47):
Well, honestly and instantly, my devil's advocate side comes out,
and what they would gain from it is you're getting
on there and perpetuate, like getting on a Yelp or
a Google or whatever interwebs and perpetuating the haunted side
of this property.

Speaker 3 (01:54:07):
Now I'm not saying it's not haunted.

Speaker 2 (01:54:08):
That is not at all what I'm saying, but it's
not impossible that I mean, maybe they say, Hey, if
there's an extra key laying around and they're not in there,
just grab it and.

Speaker 3 (01:54:19):
Put it back later. It'll be haha, funny. Who knows.

Speaker 2 (01:54:23):
It's not impossible, but it would be not very It
would take a few people to execute that and be
willing to do that, which is also not impossible but strange.

Speaker 3 (01:54:34):
Also.

Speaker 4 (01:54:35):
Yeah, and if none of the other things happen and
that was the only thing, I would still probably think
it was made or something.

Speaker 2 (01:54:41):
Right, of course, Yes, there's all the other things, all
the other anecdotal things, but it's still a cool experience.
I mean, the bride is a sad story, the kid
is a sad story, and the poor chef. Hell, I'd
be pissed off too if I was stuck at work
for eternity, right, if it's not a residual and somehow
an interactive and it's we don't know if they're aware

(01:55:02):
or what.

Speaker 3 (01:55:03):
Might be going on.

Speaker 2 (01:55:03):
But the mad chef, I like that, not for him
if he's stuck there, and if it is true, that
is horrific. But I mean, I've met a lot of
angry chefs in my day, and who could blame them? Really,
Restaurants staff can be a nightmare.

Speaker 4 (01:55:22):
I'm afraid to send a steak back or something. Seriously,
they'll come out with a butcher knife.

Speaker 3 (01:55:29):
If you all you have to do.

Speaker 2 (01:55:31):
If you've never seen the movie Waiting, yeah, I think
the line was you don't f with the people that
make your food, and it is true.

Speaker 3 (01:55:40):
You just don't.

Speaker 2 (01:55:40):
I mean, there are certain points when you have to
maybe send something back, but you can be nice about it,
you know.

Speaker 4 (01:55:47):
Yeah, they may be kicking that steak around that kitchen
the place.

Speaker 2 (01:55:54):
I think one of the scenes was somebody scraping their
head and they're like, oh, a little girlic salt for
this Ladies replacement stake and it was dandruff, you know,
so you.

Speaker 4 (01:56:03):
Know, let's not go down. That's that's scarier than any
of these stories I was talking about. Anyways. One other
thing is I found out that Ghost Nation ended up
going there to investigate the place as well. When they
were there, they had some stuff supposedly come you know.

(01:56:26):
For me, I go a lot of these shows you
know TV, you know TV. It's like they go there
for one day and say, Yep, something's going on or nope,
something you know, and I'm like a lot of times
you really need to spend a little time in somewhere
to really determine whether there's something going on. So, you know,
the television it is what it is. I've worked in

(01:56:49):
the industry. But they came and one of the things
that they did mention was something about a strange creature
that was seeing roaming around and on all fours around
on the in the grounds, some kind of you know,
they they I don't know where that came from. That

(01:57:10):
was new to me, or maybe they were thought they
saw some I now, we've got to watch the episode
and see if I can find it. But anyway, so
the place had not had that. It just started to
get some attention, you know, now that it's been it
was sold. The park closed for good in twenty twenty two.

(01:57:33):
It just ended up completely closed after all these years
it was. It was open, I mean for one hundred
and twenty years or something, and they tore the old
wooden roly coaster. People were trying to preserve it and
hoping for the best that somebody would come up with
some cash and save it, but it never happened. And
then somebody in twenty twenty four bought the property for

(01:57:56):
the hotel and it looked like they were really fixing
it up, which I wondered how much energy paranormal energy
they kicked up by starting to remodel the place. That
would be interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:58:09):
Well, and at the very least it seems like the
place is on some cursed land or has some bad
luck attached to it. I mean, that's a lot of
fires for one property.

Speaker 4 (01:58:22):
Yeah, it really is. And you know, I was shocked
actually when the after we were there that there was
another really big fire that took place, and I remember
seeing it. I don't know, I saw footage of it,
whether that was online or maybe because I'm still connected

(01:58:42):
paying attention to the news up in my home area
or something somewhere along the line, I did see that
there was an even footage of the fire that was
taking place, I think, or I read an article about
or something. Any case, Yeah, so I was like, oh
my gosh, what is happening here? And are people you know,

(01:59:03):
arsonists or are.

Speaker 2 (01:59:07):
Oh yeah, yeah, your side your side broke up And
then it looked like I was I was watching the
screen and it looked like I was talking like I am.
Now you probably noticed it too, But then I heard
something breakthrough on your end, So I wonder if that's
going to come through. It got shoppy, and but you

(01:59:29):
heard voices.

Speaker 4 (01:59:31):
Yeah, I heard something. I don't know if it was
me echoing or it could have.

Speaker 3 (01:59:35):
Been could have been yeah, could have been that.

Speaker 4 (01:59:37):
It all happened, all happened.

Speaker 2 (01:59:39):
Yeah, once I go through this for the put together process,
I will have to see about that.

Speaker 3 (01:59:45):
It might have been you though.

Speaker 2 (01:59:46):
Stream Yard does do that sometimes when the connection gets
kind of wonky, it will echo yourself back, which is
very distracting, by the way, So yeah, the connection is
getting a little weird.

Speaker 4 (01:59:57):
That's probably what it was. Well, anyways, that is those
are my vacations from hell.

Speaker 2 (02:00:03):
So yeah, I mean, you know, especially for your wife,
I would say that she would one hundred percent classify
a couple of those as a vacation from hell.

Speaker 3 (02:00:14):
And that's very unfortunate.

Speaker 4 (02:00:15):
What were you gonna say, Barry, Yeah, no, I know that.
That is the thing is, I'm gonna let her pick
where to go from now on. That's that's it. Actually.
I think they think the deal is that she's going
to go on vacation with her sister from now on
and leave me behind because I'm the problem. I think.

Speaker 3 (02:00:34):
Fingers pointed at you.

Speaker 2 (02:00:37):
All right, So I want to let everybody know that
our next chat will be Part seven for Barry and I,
and it will be Not From This World Part one,
and there might be two episodes, there might be three episodes.

Speaker 3 (02:00:53):
Hell, there might be four episodes.

Speaker 2 (02:00:54):
You just never know, because this next subject is about
UFOs and aliens, and everybody knows that subject is about
as vast as the ocean and then buy ten or
one hundred or one thousand. So I'm pretty sure that
we're going to be going down a lot of different
rabbit holes, and that's going to be episodes that we

(02:01:15):
really need to flesh out. So we're going to take
our time on those, berry and however long it takes
to get through those, Hell, it could be five, it
could be Not From This World Part five. I don't know,
but I'm looking forward to that. And I would hazard
to say though that and I'm not don't go into
it at all, but I hazard to say there's probably

(02:01:35):
not some very positive all the time experiences coming up
for you. So first of all, thank you for even
being willing to come on and share that stuff. I'm
going to say that ahead of time because I know
that a lot of folks that experience that it can
be tough to talk about, so let's not even go
into it at all. I just want to say that
right out of the gate. So I want everyone to

(02:01:56):
be looking forward to or biting their nails.

Speaker 3 (02:02:00):
With that one. I know that I am. But thank
you again for.

Speaker 2 (02:02:05):
Yet another wonderful episode in chat and being willing to share.

Speaker 4 (02:02:11):
Thank you so much. And anybody going out there to
look for a vacation, well just choose wisely depending on
what kind of a vacation you want.

Speaker 3 (02:02:22):
You know what, very that's a great idea.

Speaker 2 (02:02:24):
I think if I want a vacation, because I've been
pissing a moment lately that I'm just bored, I need
some experiences. So I've been buying some interesting objects, which
has caught the ire of a few folks.

Speaker 3 (02:02:35):
I think. They don't. They think I'm stupid and crazy,
and that's okay. I am.

Speaker 2 (02:02:41):
I'm gonna be me so but maybe if I need
a vacation, I'll have you pick the place and maybe
I'll actually have something happen.

Speaker 4 (02:02:50):
As long as you bring your haunted doll with you,
it should be fun.

Speaker 2 (02:02:53):
Good old Patty, Oh Patty, yeah. Some people go, well,
there's nothing on it now, but and some other folks
are like, nah, she's just hiding. Whatever was attached to
that is just hiding.

Speaker 3 (02:03:05):
So we'll see. I'm still waiting for.

Speaker 2 (02:03:07):
The shadows and the Knox, and I just don't want
at the foot of the bed, you know, like like
your like your cabin on the sea ship.

Speaker 3 (02:03:16):
That's not that's not nice.

Speaker 2 (02:03:17):
That's not nice to actually physically see and then hear sobbing, no,
thank you.

Speaker 4 (02:03:22):
When you feel it sitting down and then you uh yeah,
you look and there they are something sitting there. It's
no thing that's disturbing.

Speaker 2 (02:03:31):
Yeah, yeah, I'd be grabbing the gun right away. And
guess what. That's not gonna help you, Shannon, not in
this case. But good luck to you well, Barry, thank
you so much. I will have to go back and
listen and see if if that in fact was your
voice or if I could tell if that was someone
else's voice when it did that wonky little thing. But
you guys have a wonderful rest of the day there.

Speaker 7 (02:03:56):
So I was giving do these things as my professional
I produce a little bark, but it says, forget it,
that's not that's something for story, that's all gone, that's
all pass. I want to see them really you who
are now? But nobody knows who learning is.

Speaker 8 (02:04:17):
Because we don't know our sills except for listening to oaracters.

Speaker 7 (02:04:24):
And consulting our memmbers. But then that's a really And
then again leads uspect to this question, lord are you?

Speaker 4 (02:04:34):
That is the meaning.

Speaker 7 (02:04:36):
We shall see how they play with the success but
by the cots to get you to come out of
your show and find.

Speaker 9 (02:04:45):
Out when you're very old, it's.

Speaker 10 (02:05:04):
It's, it's it's, it's it's steps, it's boss.

Speaker 5 (02:05:54):
Aspects, for example, are.

Speaker 4 (02:06:38):
Quite divided on us.

Speaker 11 (02:06:40):
They will say, no, we don't believe literally in reincarnation
that after your funeral you will suddenly become somebody different
living somewhere else. They will say, reincarnation means this that
if you're sitting here now, are really convinced that your
same person bolder at.

Speaker 5 (02:07:01):
The door half an hour ago, there'll be wacoming.

Speaker 4 (02:07:06):
If you're liberating your mothers now that you're gone.

Speaker 7 (02:07:10):
The past doesn't existence, the future doesn't existence. There is
only the present. That's the only aweenim of the incidence.
The send master don't get away in this place in
the spring does not become sense, because there is some sense.

Speaker 5 (02:07:29):
And then there is spring.

Speaker 10 (02:08:03):
It's it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's puss Puss.

Speaker 8 (02:08:54):
Puss has the same ideas the Four Days, where he says,

(02:09:27):
when you settled down in the train, you can read
your newspaper, and.

Speaker 7 (02:09:31):
So you're not the same person.

Speaker 4 (02:09:34):
While I go to live in the plan.

Speaker 7 (02:09:37):
If you think you are, you are linking your moments
up in the check And this is what binds the wheel.

Speaker 11 (02:09:48):
When you know that every moment of which you are
is the only moment discount in desa.

Speaker 7 (02:09:54):
And the Master will.

Speaker 11 (02:09:54):
Say from somebody, I can't have a bog acrost the
rock and it can't be back, And he says, where
your they've gone?

Speaker 7 (02:10:05):
So where are you?

Speaker 4 (02:10:06):
Who are you?

Speaker 7 (02:10:07):
When we are asked who we are, we usually give
a kind of recitation of an instruminstenssence

Speaker 4 (02:10:18):
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