January 9, 2025 • 37 mins
On this episode of The Karen Kenney Show, I discuss the importance of "slow learning" - especially in a culture that’s become so focused on “fast outcomes” and “quick results”.
I share about my own experiences of needing enough time to truly understand and integrate new information, rather than just quickly consuming it.
I make the case that true learning, comes from first-hand experience and the process of acquiring knowledge through implementation and not just passively ingesting other people’s content.
I also reflect on how some learning methods have changed over time - and I contrast this modern approach with traditional apprenticeship models.
I believe that true knowledge requires effort and patience - the willingness to spend time with material, think deeply about it, and allow it to percolate.
Which is one of the reasons why I’m not a fan of the “TLDR” culture that we seem to find ourselves in.
This is an invitation to forgo the instant gratification and superficial understanding that so often dominates today.
Ultimately, I encourage people to adopt a more "vertical" approach to learning and personal growth - going deeper rather than wider, and being willing to invest the time and attention required for true learning and understanding.
KEY POINTS:
• Embracing slow, deep learning
• Resisting cultural obsession with speed
• True knowledge requires patience + effort
• Regurgitation does not equal understanding
• Cultivating long-term learning relationships
• Prioritizing Depth over Breadth
• The Nest - Group Mentoring Program
BIO:
Karen Kenney is a certified Spiritual Mentor, Writer, Integrative Change Worker, Coach and Hypnotist. She’s known for her dynamic storytelling, her sense of humor, her Boston accent, and her no-BS, down-to-earth approach to Spirituality and transformational work.
KK is a wicked curious human being, a life-long learner, and has been an entrepreneur for over 20 years! She’s also a yoga teacher of 24+ years, a Certified Gateless Writing Instructor, and an author, speaker, retreat leader, and the host of The Karen Kenney Show podcast.
She coaches both the conscious + unconscious mind using practical Neuroscience, Subconscious Reprogramming, Integrative Hypnosis/Change Work, and Spiritual Mentorship. These tools help clients to regulate their nervous systems, remove blocks, rewrite stories, rewire beliefs, and reimagine what’s possible in their lives and business!
Karen encourages people to deepen their connection to Self, Source and Spirit in down-to-earth and actionable ways and wants them to have their own lived experience with spirituality and to not just “take her word for it”.
She helps people to shift their minds from fear to Love - using compassion, storytelling and humor. Her work is effective, efficient, memorable, and fun!
KK’s been a student of A Course in Miracles for close to 30 years, has been vegan for over 20 years, and believes that a little kindness can make a big difference.
KK WEBSITE: www.karenkenney.com
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Karen Kenney (00:02):
Hey you guys. Welcome to the Karen Kenney show. I'm super duva, excited to be here with you today, and I think I'm just gonna dive right into this Sucka Happy
New Year. This might be the first episode of2025, episode 296, I think I'm going to call this suck a slow learning, slow learning, and it's inspired by something that one of
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my one to one clients said to me, there'ssomebody that's also in the nest my group a spiritual mentoring program. But I had, I had written, I had written something in the
group, and then they responded with this,and their quote was like, really fantastic, and I'll read that to you in a moment, but it got me to thinking about this idea of
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slow learning, because we a culture that isobsessed, obsessed with fast outcomes, quick results, right? Let's like, big bang, boom. Like, let's get done. Like, people just want
things right now, immediate gratitude,gratification, right? And my, my whole experience as as a human being has learned that. Has taught me that, and I have learned
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that most things take a little bit of timeto get into this thick skull of mine, like, I don't know about you, but Hello, hello. My noggin could be a little dense sometimes.
And here's the thing, I'm smart, right? I'msmart. I'm not necessarily, maybe, like, astrophysicist smart or whatever, but I'm pretty intelligent, you know, I'm not an
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idiot, I'm not a total idiot, and Isometimes need some time to, kind of like, simmer, you know, I need the soup to simmer. Oh, my God. And we are in a, I don't know,
double Amen hands, if you can feel me. Isthere some lessons? Are there some things that it's taken you a little while to, like, learn and wrap your head around and go, Oh,
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that's what that was. Hello, okay. But we'rea culture that is obsessed with, like, getting things done fast and let's go, and I'm paying for results, and I want the
quickness. So rather than learning to fallin love with learning, rather than like falling in love with learning in the process, because, hello, learning is a
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process. But rather than falling in lovewith that, we just want things to like happen right now. And look, I don't think these fucking devices, like these phones,
the tablets, the internet, the interwebs,the socials, I don't think any of those things have really helped us or our nervous system. I just think that we have started to
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miss out on so much goodness, because we arein search of the fast everything. We want it super sized, we want it cheap, and we want it fast, and that is just not for me, where
I have learned that I need again. I needslow learning environments sometimes. And so many people, so many teachers, so many marketers, so many online whatever, the
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people who are like, quote unquote leadingothers, the quote unquote influences and the coaches and the teachers and all the things, right to me, so many people have just like
lost the plot. They have totally lost thepoint. And at this point, it seems like all they're teaching for is results and outcomes. And they're not really, they're
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not really going deep into the importance ofprocess, the process of learning things. And I made myself a few notes so I wouldn't forget, because this is important to me. So
I wrote down this. I said, rather thanteaching like in a style or in a way, or stressing the importance of first hand experience, right, instead of leading
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towards that, rather than first handexperience or the process of acquiring knowledge through implementation, we just want things fast, and we're like, here's a
little graphic and here's a little threesteps of this, and blah, blah, blah, blah. But I know to be true this for my own first hand experience. My evidence has been that I
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need first hand experience and that theprocess of me acquiring knowledge is through implementation. Is through action. Is through spending some time with something
and figuring shit out right, learning true,learning to make something your own. To take something from a source out there, like a book or a podcast or a course or mentoring
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or whatever, right? That stuff takes time tosink in. Learning takes time. And I said, you know, if all you want, if all you want is a particular outcome or a certain result,
then you are going to miss out on all thenuances and all the gifts that come from the actual process of learning, including what comes in. The process of learning is the
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challenges, is the confusion, is thesetbacks, is the discovery, is the two steps back, three steps forward. It's the Oh shit, it's the I don't get it right. All the stuff
that goes into learning. It takes time. Nowlook, there are certain things where we do have light bulb moments, right? There are certain times when we're listening to
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something and all of a sudden it's like,boom, something clicks and it falls into place. But what's usually clicking and falling into place is the time that you've
already spent trying to understandsomething, and then all of a sudden, that missing piece is delivered from maybe an outside source, whether, again, it's a book,
it's a podcast, it's something you read,it's something you heard, it's a quote, whatever. And you're like, oh, like, all of a sudden, as we jokingly say in
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Massachusetts, light dawns over my wholehead, right? Like the sun comes up and you are illumined to something. It's like, oh, like, no. Like, Oh my God. Like hitting
yourself in the forehead. Like, oh, I justrealized it. But so much learning, especially, I think so much learning, has changed, because the delivery system has
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changed. You know, when I think back in theday when they had, like, if you think about tradesmen and craft people, right, you had to apprentice, right? Like you had to go
like a modern day, like internship, right?So back in the day, you had to go and in order to become a welder, in order to become a blacksmith, in order to become a Mason, in
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order to become a carpenter, in order tobecome somebody who could gather knowledge and skills that then you could use in a smart way and not build dangerous shit that
that was gonna fall apart. You had to spendsome time over years upon years upon years. You see it even in like people who have a sensei or people who have you know, and I
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believe that we all have our own greatestguru within us, our own greatest inner teacher within us. And I also think that, you know, sometimes we do need an external
teacher. We do need an external source ofinformation, of inspiration that can guide us and support us. However, the greatest teacher and the greatest guru lives within
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our own hearts.
However, having said all that, if we aregonna spend time right with an external teacher, it often takes some time. Most people, like, they just want things super
duper fast, like I said, like, a lot oftimes by the time you hire a mentor like myself or a coach or whoever you know, you've been struggling for a while. You've
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been suffering for a while. You've beenlike, stuck for a while. You've been trying to figure shit out on your own, right? So a lot of times by the time you're like, I'm
desperate now, or I've banged my headagainst the, you know, the wall enough times, or I've been frustrated long enough, or I've been like, I said, been suffering or
in pain long enough, and then you you golooking for external help. That's all great, but even that, it requires, often, some time, like, to first of all, build rapport
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and build trust, and then start to get someinformation and some knowledge, and then actually starting to apply it so that you can learn it yourself, so that you're not
you don't just end up regurgitatinginformation and things which I'm going to talk about that at the end as well. Okay, so if we insist on being in a rush, you know, I
know people who try to, like, speed readthrough books, or, you know, they'll say to me, like, oh, yeah, I read that book. I read that book. I know. I know, I know those two
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words. That is the antithesis of alllearning. I know I'm like, if you just walk around thinking you know everything, if you insist on having I know brain instead of,
like, begin his mind right, then you youaren't even teachable. You are not learnable because you walk around thinking you know everything. But these days, so much learning
has been reduced to like Cliff Notes orscreenshots or quick takeaways. It's like the five tips to this, the six steps to that, the seven hacks to have a better
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whatever. Right. Right? We like everything,like, distilled down to these little, little, little sound bites and these little clips and these little digestible things,
which I'm not saying they don't have theirplace, but you're missing out on the full meal, right? It's the difference between having, like, a SIP or a bite of something.
And you're like, think you got it allfigured out from that one thing. I'm like, No, you can't just eat that thing and then know how to create the rest of the meal,
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right? Like, you gotta spend some time withthings. And here's the thing, we must be willing. We must be willing, you know, to slow down and be with things, to think about
things, to try on things, to be in a processand in a relationship with things, so that we can assimilate, so that we can integrate, so that we can spend time with implementing
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things. This takes time. This is what slowlearning is all about. Is not being in a rush to try to get to some specific or certain outcome, you know? I mean, it's so
that you can actually start to understandthe information and implement it and integrate it, so that you can start to own it for yourself. And what a lot of people
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are good at is ingesting information, likereading it or, you know, hearing it or whatever. And then maybe they could do, like, have aI write them some fucking Cliff
Notes or whatever, some like show notes, orsome, like quick things where they can, like, regurgitate it or whatever. But that's not actually learning. That's just the
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ability to try and look smarter than youare. And
we often actually don't need moreinformation. I talk to a lot of people, especially fellow entrepreneurs and stuff, and they they like, oh my god, I have like a
graveyard. I have, like a graveyard ofcourses that I bought but never actually did, or I listened to them, but I didn't actually take any action, like I bought them
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and then they sat on my desktop, or they satin a folder, but I never actually went back and did it or used it. We don't often need more information. We seem to be actually
overwhelmed and inundated. Our nervoussystems are completely overwhelmed by how much input is coming in. What we actually need is to kind of like, have better filt
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filtration systems. Maybe stop buying 8000things, try to go deep on, maybe like one thing, or find a teacher or a source that you trust build, take time to build rapport
or relationship with an actual human being,and not just their quote, unquote content, right? And then see if you can, then start to learn some of those things and apply it
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trial and error, right? Try it. Fall down.Screw up. Like, pick yourself up. Try it again. You know what I'm saying. But again, this takes time, like slow learning. And the
other thing I was saying is like trueknowledge, like truly understanding something, like truly having, quote, unquote, learned, something that you can
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then apply to your own life, and maybe ahelpful way, or a healing way. True Knowledge requires work. It requires some effort, you know, and a lot of times, you
know, I think about certain yoga teachers,like, like people who have been around for a wicked long time. I mean, I've been around for a really long time, but there are people
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who have been around, you know, even longerthan me. And they said, one of the ways that I learned how to be a great yoga teacher, or a great teacher, is I basically spent time
in my teacher's presence? Is that I like,literally, like, spent as much time as I could with them, and I watched them, and I listened to them, and I noticed what they
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did, right? I even know one, one teacher whohad a guru that he cared for, like he literally was put in his care, like he was, like, tasked with caring for him. So he
would, like, deliver his tea, and he woulddeliver his meals, and he would listen to his lectures, and he was learning, like, you know, the system, the system of yoga from
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him. And this is like back in the day, buthe said, when he shaved his head, I would shave my head. When he crossed his legs, I would so he started to embody, and it's not
about becoming like the other person, but itis about sometimes learning the attributes of that. And I think this is what is often, where a lot of times it gets lost in
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Christianity, where I'm, like, the wholepoint of like, you know, Jesus is, was an embodiment of love. He was, like, the living example of love. And you want to try, like,
if you're a Christian, if that's your thing,right? Then, then the point is, is to follow in those footsteps of that deep level of. Passion and love and not exclusivity, not
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hate, not shame, not exclusion, right? So Ithink sometimes things get lost in translation, but you gotta be willing to spend some time in the presence of love to
start to really understand it, because it'snot like most of us were brought up in Wicked like some people I know, some people I know, I think it's beautiful. They brought
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up and been brought up in home environmentswhere they felt really seen and encouraged and heard and loved. And it's not that their parents were perfect, but their parents had
good emotional regulation and good emotionalintelligence. And they could own their shit and apologize when they blew it and saw that they were perfect people, but they
understood they were imperfect, and so theyapologized, and they used their words, and they taught their kids, you know, how to have good self confidence and self esteem
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and self respect and self integrity and selflove. And not all of us grew up that way. So true knowledge, I think, requires slow learning. It requires us to spend time not
just with like external teachers, but alsowith ourselves, also with sources of like, great information, or great knowledge or great wisdom. And whether that's like, you
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know, I think about like A Course inMiracles, like I've had like, a 30 year relationship with with that material, right, with that teaching tool. And I've had a
wicked long relationship with yoga. I've hada really long relationship with veganism. Like, there are things that I've had really long standing, you know, come from a
lineage, like, come from a tradition, andhave spent time with, and those are the things that I most confidently can share with others, because I have my own point of
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view on those things. I've taken it in, andI've spent enough time with them to actually have an opinion or a thought or, you know, might be able to share a perspective that
other people find helpful, you know. And oneof the things that I often see these days as I'm thinking about this slow learning, which drives me kind of crazy, is that whole TLDR.
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I'll never forget the first time I saw TLDR.And I'm like, I'm not hip enough to know what that is, so I had to look up with the cool like, what is it? What do the kids say?
What is this? TLDR typed on a thing mean,and it stood for too long, didn't read, oh my god, the bullshit. I was just like, what is happening right now? No, I understand to
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be fair, to be fair. I understand theremight be times where somebody is just doing a post that just goes on and on and on and on and on. It's like, what's the point like?
Get to the point like, I didn't, you didn'tneed to tell me those 17 things, right? But a lot of times, things are more complicated than a quick little spiritual meme or a
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little quote card or a little like oneminute blip from your podcast, right? Some things need more space to be shared and to be felt and to be understood. And I think
we're becoming a little bit lazy. I thinkwe're becoming a little bit shallow, not all of us, not everybody all the time. I'm not saying and I'm not even finger wagging. I'm
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just so much of what this podcast is, is mejust looking around the world with my own and we all have our own unique perspective. This just happens to be mine. This is why
it's the Karen Kenney show. It's just mejust kind of looking around and noticing some things and reporting back what moves me, what's exciting me, what's lighting me
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up, what I learned, what I don't like, whatI like, what you know, blah, blah, blah, you know. This is, this is a podcast. This is a show that, for me, is one of the ways that I
get to spread more love in the world. Andone of the things that I think we're losing at, and I think these things are just as important, you know, we part of love, is
being able to look at things and say, Thisdoesn't seem right. Is it just me? Right? Is it just me? But the whole TLDR thing, it's a lack of patience. It's a lack of, sometimes
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nervous system regulation to be able to sitstill long enough to think on a thing, or to listen to a thing, or hear a thing or pay attention to a thing. You know, we don't
just have, like a loneliness epidemic. Wehave a patience epidemic. And again, I don't think the devices have really helped at all. I think that that instant gratification,
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that seeking a quick fix, or that dopaminehit, you know, it hasn't really served us. And I think that in 2025 instead of going so wide and so broad, like to me, I think
there's a calling right now to have morevertical living, to go deeper, to have more depth in our relationships and our experiences, and to not just try to get
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like, the like, like I said the, you know,what are the things that? I called it fast outcomes and quick results. You know, if we're only as teachers and as people who.
Have podcasts, or our coaches and mentorsand or share information. You know, if we kowtow to what the algorithm wants in in like, I'm just not really a person who
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really plays by the rules. And, trust me, Ithink sometimes to myself, Man, I bet I would. I would have like,
maybe I would have more financial success,or more whatever success, if I played by the pace and the rule that most of the world runs by. But I'm just not interested. And
I'm it's not that I'm not interested becauseI'm trying to be different or rebellious. It just goes against the grain of who I am. Like, I literally feel my body contract when
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I see most of the marketing and most of thethe way that the world is, like showing up online, like, it's just not that fucking interesting to me at all. And again, I'm not
I'm not trying to be special. I'm justtrying to be myself. Like, here's an alternative way, you guys, is we could actually slow down and we could spend some
time with some stuff, and we could go deep,and we could really, really learn, because one of the pitfalls of ingesting fast information, and I'll give you an example.
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Here's an example. Okay, yoga teaches new.Yoga teaches. So one of the things that a lot of people don't know is that the way that a lot of yoga studios survive, not all,
but many. The way that they survive,especially in this climate, is that they run ytts. They run yoga teacher trainings. That's where they get a good hit or a good
bulk of their money, because a bunch ofpeople pay up front, like 3000 4000 whatever it is, right? Doll is so the studio gets a big cash infusion, which they can then pass
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out over the rest of the year to keep theirstudio viable. Not saying all, just saying many, I don't need the yoga police coming for me. Okay, but one of the things that I
often see as a Teacher of teachers, I am ayoga teacher for yoga teachers, oftentimes, and when I have done workshops and stuff like that for other yoga teachers, what you
realize, and especially with newbieteachers. And this isn't, I'm not being mean. I totally know why this happens. This is what happens a lot of times. Is in the
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beginning, because they're basically firehose with a lot of information, right then they're expected to, like, go out and teach, because they're first of all trying to make
not and not everybody who takes a ytt goeson to teach. Sometimes they just do it for their own self knowledge. They want to understand more, right? They have no
intention of teaching. So just understandthat everything that I'm saying has exceptions and nuances, okay, but a lot of times, new yoga teachers are fire hose with
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a lot of information, and then they want toget back out there and start to make money. First of all, they want to use this skill set. They're excited. A lot of times it's
ego, right? They want to be seen as a yogateacher or an authority in their field, or whatever the whatever people think to be a yoga teacher means. And then they also are
trying to recoup the money that they justinvested in their in their training. But a lot of times, in the beginning, they're basically just parroting. Right? Think about
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what parrots do. They mimic. They hear whatthey hear, what their owner does, and then they just regurgitate it. They repeat it, right? So in the beginning, a lot of times,
what yoga teachers are doing is they're justmemorizing things. They're mimicking things, and then they're parroting. They're regurgitating them back often in the style
and the voice of their teachers eventually,over time, if you stick with it long enough and you practice long enough what you learned and you continue with your own
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practice, things will start to settle in.You'll start to have your own perspective, you'll start to have your own voice, you'll start to have your own wisdom. But in the
beginning they don't know how to do this,and a lot of times what people do. And I'm just using yoga teachers as an example, because that's a field that I have a lot of
experience in, right? So I've done thisworkshop called Reading the room, like reading the room with the teacher's eye. And I've done workshops on assists, like hands
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on assists, and putting your hands on peopleand knowing what to look for. So when you have a room full of people in front of you as a yoga teacher, and you're trying to keep
everybody safe and have a good experience,right? Teaching isn't just backing a bunch of information at people. It's not Simon Says. You have to be able to see how what
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you're saying is landing. You have to beable to see through what their bodies are doing, how their mind is interpreting what you're saying. There's so much more to the
whole process, and it is definitely a slowlearning process, because one of the things that I do, there's an exercise that I do. I'll often take a person, I put them in the
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middle of the room on a mat. I ask them toshow like, call out a pose, warrior two, Virabhadrasana, whatever right come into this pose. And then I just have all the yoga
teachers stand around, and I say, tell mewhat you see. Tell me what you see here. Because one. Of the things that I often hear from yoga students who have gone out into
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the world and taken classes in other studiosand with other people is they've often come back and they've said they didn't correct me once they I and they're like and I even saw
some people like dada, dada, and I said, youknow, and they've given me feedback about their experiences, and I've said, because a lot of teachers actually don't know how to
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teach because they haven't spent enough timefirst doing their own slow learning. They know how to regurgitate, they know how to memorize, they know how to create a
sequence, and then they just back it out,but they're not actually like able to serve the people in front of them. They don't know how to problem solve yet. They don't know
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what to do with that person who I put in themiddle of the room, because they might be able to tell, well, it looks like their knees too far forward, maybe or but
sometimes they can't even see what theproblem is. And I'll say, tell me what you see. And they freeze, and they all kind of go quiet, and they all kind of look at me
and they I'm like, This isn't like a testwhere I'm trying to be mean. I'm trying to help you to learn to see what the teacher's eye and look at this is not when we try to
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do fast outcomes, fast results, immediatelike whatever, and when, when you have a culture that is teaching for quit out quick outcomes, you're not actually helping people
to be able to help themselves. And I'm thekind of person that when I mentor somebody or coach somebody I like, I'm not interested. I always say this. I'm not
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interested in creating co dependentrelationships. I love working with people for long periods of time. That's why I love when my one to one clients will do, like
four months with me, maybe take a break,come back, or do eight months straight, or a year straight, or whatever it is, because we get to go deep, and we get to have this time
where those skill sets, those tools, thosethings that I share, you know, they start to become their own. They start to make sense, because they have enough time to absorb
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them. They have enough time to spend timewith themselves and with this information, to start to like alchemize it. I do think of this work that I do as alchemy. You know,
we're putting in some contents and we'regetting something else out of it. That's the whole your story to your glory process. It's an alchemization. It's, it's, it is a form.
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I say it's miracles and magic. There's a lotthat's happening there. But if you're not willing to spend some time investing in yourself, investing your energy, yeah, some
money, your finances, your attention, yourwillingness to learn, your willingness to unlearn and relearn. I'm gonna do a whole podcast about that. We gotta let shit
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percolate. You know what I'm saying? Andright now, I feel like we're all like, I feel like I've been in a microwave. I just feel like I'm in a microwave being zapped
with all these rays and all this energy andall this noise and all this bullshit, but when you take the meal out of the microwave, it tastes like crap. It doesn't even taste
like food. It tastes kind of dead. All thelife, all the wisdom, everything's out of it. There's no nutrients. There's no nourishment, like we need, like, some crock
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pot. We need, like, some crock pot learning.We need some nice, slow, low heat, little bit of a simmer. You lift the lid. There's an aroma. Some stuff is cooking. Some stuff
is brewing, right? Some shit is happening.You know what I'm saying? Oh, man, no more microwaving. Maybe I should call this episode microwave versus the crock pot.
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That's how it kind of feels. We want thatdepth and flavor that comes from that wisdom, that knowledge that comes from slowing down, taking our time. There is so
much wisdom as this. There is so much, somuch possibility in this and so now I'm going to finally tell you the quote that inspired this whole, this whole thing. So
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my, my, one of my, one of my former one toone clients. What she basically said is, we were talking about a particular book, and I was talking about how this book is, is a
great addition to a DSP, a daily spiritualpractice. And I was saying, how, oh, I send this book to all of my one to one clients. And this person said, Yeah, I was, I was
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very fortunate. I was a very fortunaterecipient of the book during my invaluable one to one work with you. That's so sweet. And they said, at one point, 1.01
point, I am understanding more and more isthat I may not receive clarification immediately while doing one to one work, but it seems to percolate into fabulous aha
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moments. I am so grateful now. This issomething I have heard again and again. Again, there are people who have worked with me, like I said, some people for four
months, six months a year, whatever, andeverybody learns a little bit differently. There are people that pick up stuff, certain things, like, right away. There are other
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people who they're like, three months outand they're like, oh my god, I just had this situation happen, and I just realized what you've been telling me, right? I had, I have
a friend and a client say to text me theother day they posted something. They posted something that Mel Robbins had posted, or whatever. If you don't know who Mel Robbins
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is, she's like a online personality coach.Has written a bunch of books, right? And Mel, Mel said something, and I just wrote underneath it to my my friend who shared it,
and I just wrote, Yep, exactly. And theywrote back, and they says, This is what you this is exactly what you've been teaching me all these years. And I'm like, Yep, exactly,
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right. I'm like, I may not be posted aboutit all the time on social own media, but there is sometimes clarifications in things that start to happen over time. I've had
people who do one to one work and they comeaway and they're like, they're kind of a little confused, and they're like, sometimes, you know, not everybody, like,
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thinks like, this is the best experience ofmy life. I've never had bad I've never had bad feedback or anything like that. But what often happens is, like I said, three months,
six months, a year afterwards, I'll get,sometimes years afterwards, I'll get a note from somebody that says, Oh, my God, all that work that we did together is starting
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to just show up in my life in the mostamazing ways. So what I'm trying to say is slow learning is a really important thing. And if we insist on microwaving things, if
we insist on fast tracking things, if we'reonly teaching as teachers for certain outcomes. And you know, like the cliff note version of this, because we like there are
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people who study the psychology of humanmarkets, meaning there are people who study how people respond to the algorithm, to time, to content. And people will say to me
all the time, nobody wants to read some longass. And I'm like, You're wrong, because I want to read it because I'm a reader and I'm a writer and I love long form things, I will
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sit down and watch a two hour, three hour,you know, Podcast. I'm a person who likes there to be space in room for things to be digested. Why do you think the Nest has been
going on for years? Why do you think peoplein the nest keep coming back, month after month, year after year? Because they have learned over all this time of being with me
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that it takes time for things to sink in, tomake sense, to become their own, to be applicable, and it's through the process of falling in love with the process and not
just the quick outcome. So if there issomething that you want to learn, go all in on it. Invest in it, spend some time with it. Get to decide if it's really for you or
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not, you know, like, I just spent time someof you, I think, know this. I think I've mentioned this, like, this was my first time in like 25 years. I've worked for myself for
25 years, and I went into a littleadventure, and I went out into the world, and I got, like, a part time gig for like six months working with somebody else and
for somebody else, and they're lovely, and Ihad a great time, and I met amazing people, and I realized, like, my my business me doing my own thing, that's where it's at.
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But I'm so glad like that I trust myself,and I'm adventurous enough and willing enough to go out and do the thing and find like, it's Fauci, right? You know me, I got
a Fauci. I gotta fuck around and find out,but I love going out and finding out things about myself and finding out what really works for me, and spending some time with
things, and spending enough time that I canmake an educated, you know, not an educated guess, but like an I can be an informed decision. That's what I'm trying to say. So
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I hope this has been helpful in some way.And those of you who have been listening to this podcast, we're going to be coming up on six years. I can't even believe it. We're
going to be coming up on six years in like300 episodes soon. So those of you who have been hanging in with me, maybe you understand better than anybody, how it is to
continually to hear these things. This apodcast, you know, yeah, it's usually done fairly quickly or whatever, but it's, it's kind of like over time, you might hear some
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repetition, some repeated things. I do thaton purpose because I know how learning actually works. And it often takes time for things to like, sink in. Karen, right? So
less microwave con more, more crock pot,more slow cooker, right? More slow learning in 2025 and if you're interested right, in learning from me, there's a bunch of fun
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ways you guys to spend time together. So ifyou just go to my website, Karen kenney.com, you'll see like all the different ways to work with me, right? You can work with me
one to one in the quest. That's just Karenkenney.com/quest if you want to join my group program, my group experience, spiritual mentoring, that's Karen
kenney.com/nest if you want to start doingsome online yoga, I'm teaching online yoga. So now, no matter where you are in the country or whatever you can tune in Tuesday
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nights at 6pm Eastern, and that's just Karenkenney.com/yoga of course, you can always just get on my email list, all those things, all that stuff you can find on my website,
and you could also just keep listening tothe show. But I do hope that I get to work with some of you at some point, either in the nest or one to one in the quest, or
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maybe I'll see you online in a workshop or ayoga class or whatever. That would be amazing. So I appreciate you guys. Thank you so much for spending some time with me, for
spending some slow time with me. If you madeit all the way to this episode, I really appreciate it and you. And then wherever you go, may you just take your time a little
bit. May you go out into the world and justlike ease on down the road, keep it a little slow and low right wherever you go. May you leave yourself and the animals and the
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environment and the people in the planetbetter than how you found them wherever you go. May you be a blessing. Bye. Bye.
Hey you guys. Welcome to the Karen Kenney show. I'm super duva, excited to be here with you today, and I think I'm just gonna dive right into this Sucka Happy
New Year. This might be the first episode of2025, episode 296, I think I'm going to call this suck a slow learning, slow learning, and it's inspired by something that one of
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my one to one clients said to me, there'ssomebody that's also in the nest my group a spiritual mentoring program. But I had, I had written, I had written something in the
group, and then they responded with this,and their quote was like, really fantastic, and I'll read that to you in a moment, but it got me to thinking about this idea of
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slow learning, because we a culture that isobsessed, obsessed with fast outcomes, quick results, right? Let's like, big bang, boom. Like, let's get done. Like, people just want
things right now, immediate gratitude,gratification, right? And my, my whole experience as as a human being has learned that. Has taught me that, and I have learned
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that most things take a little bit of timeto get into this thick skull of mine, like, I don't know about you, but Hello, hello. My noggin could be a little dense sometimes.
And here's the thing, I'm smart, right? I'msmart. I'm not necessarily, maybe, like, astrophysicist smart or whatever, but I'm pretty intelligent, you know, I'm not an
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idiot, I'm not a total idiot, and Isometimes need some time to, kind of like, simmer, you know, I need the soup to simmer. Oh, my God. And we are in a, I don't know,
double Amen hands, if you can feel me. Isthere some lessons? Are there some things that it's taken you a little while to, like, learn and wrap your head around and go, Oh,
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that's what that was. Hello, okay. But we'rea culture that is obsessed with, like, getting things done fast and let's go, and I'm paying for results, and I want the
quickness. So rather than learning to fallin love with learning, rather than like falling in love with learning in the process, because, hello, learning is a
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process. But rather than falling in lovewith that, we just want things to like happen right now. And look, I don't think these fucking devices, like these phones,
the tablets, the internet, the interwebs,the socials, I don't think any of those things have really helped us or our nervous system. I just think that we have started to
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miss out on so much goodness, because we arein search of the fast everything. We want it super sized, we want it cheap, and we want it fast, and that is just not for me, where
I have learned that I need again. I needslow learning environments sometimes. And so many people, so many teachers, so many marketers, so many online whatever, the
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people who are like, quote unquote leadingothers, the quote unquote influences and the coaches and the teachers and all the things, right to me, so many people have just like
lost the plot. They have totally lost thepoint. And at this point, it seems like all they're teaching for is results and outcomes. And they're not really, they're
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not really going deep into the importance ofprocess, the process of learning things. And I made myself a few notes so I wouldn't forget, because this is important to me. So
I wrote down this. I said, rather thanteaching like in a style or in a way, or stressing the importance of first hand experience, right, instead of leading
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towards that, rather than first handexperience or the process of acquiring knowledge through implementation, we just want things fast, and we're like, here's a
little graphic and here's a little threesteps of this, and blah, blah, blah, blah. But I know to be true this for my own first hand experience. My evidence has been that I
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need first hand experience and that theprocess of me acquiring knowledge is through implementation. Is through action. Is through spending some time with something
and figuring shit out right, learning true,learning to make something your own. To take something from a source out there, like a book or a podcast or a course or mentoring
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or whatever, right? That stuff takes time tosink in. Learning takes time. And I said, you know, if all you want, if all you want is a particular outcome or a certain result,
then you are going to miss out on all thenuances and all the gifts that come from the actual process of learning, including what comes in. The process of learning is the
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challenges, is the confusion, is thesetbacks, is the discovery, is the two steps back, three steps forward. It's the Oh shit, it's the I don't get it right. All the stuff
that goes into learning. It takes time. Nowlook, there are certain things where we do have light bulb moments, right? There are certain times when we're listening to
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something and all of a sudden it's like,boom, something clicks and it falls into place. But what's usually clicking and falling into place is the time that you've
already spent trying to understandsomething, and then all of a sudden, that missing piece is delivered from maybe an outside source, whether, again, it's a book,
it's a podcast, it's something you read,it's something you heard, it's a quote, whatever. And you're like, oh, like, all of a sudden, as we jokingly say in
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Massachusetts, light dawns over my wholehead, right? Like the sun comes up and you are illumined to something. It's like, oh, like, no. Like, Oh my God. Like hitting
yourself in the forehead. Like, oh, I justrealized it. But so much learning, especially, I think so much learning, has changed, because the delivery system has
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changed. You know, when I think back in theday when they had, like, if you think about tradesmen and craft people, right, you had to apprentice, right? Like you had to go
like a modern day, like internship, right?So back in the day, you had to go and in order to become a welder, in order to become a blacksmith, in order to become a Mason, in
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order to become a carpenter, in order tobecome somebody who could gather knowledge and skills that then you could use in a smart way and not build dangerous shit that
that was gonna fall apart. You had to spendsome time over years upon years upon years. You see it even in like people who have a sensei or people who have you know, and I
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believe that we all have our own greatestguru within us, our own greatest inner teacher within us. And I also think that, you know, sometimes we do need an external
teacher. We do need an external source ofinformation, of inspiration that can guide us and support us. However, the greatest teacher and the greatest guru lives within
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our own hearts.
However, having said all that, if we aregonna spend time right with an external teacher, it often takes some time. Most people, like, they just want things super
duper fast, like I said, like, a lot oftimes by the time you hire a mentor like myself or a coach or whoever you know, you've been struggling for a while. You've
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been suffering for a while. You've beenlike, stuck for a while. You've been trying to figure shit out on your own, right? So a lot of times by the time you're like, I'm
desperate now, or I've banged my headagainst the, you know, the wall enough times, or I've been frustrated long enough, or I've been like, I said, been suffering or
in pain long enough, and then you you golooking for external help. That's all great, but even that, it requires, often, some time, like, to first of all, build rapport
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and build trust, and then start to get someinformation and some knowledge, and then actually starting to apply it so that you can learn it yourself, so that you're not
you don't just end up regurgitatinginformation and things which I'm going to talk about that at the end as well. Okay, so if we insist on being in a rush, you know, I
know people who try to, like, speed readthrough books, or, you know, they'll say to me, like, oh, yeah, I read that book. I read that book. I know. I know, I know those two
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words. That is the antithesis of alllearning. I know I'm like, if you just walk around thinking you know everything, if you insist on having I know brain instead of,
like, begin his mind right, then you youaren't even teachable. You are not learnable because you walk around thinking you know everything. But these days, so much learning
has been reduced to like Cliff Notes orscreenshots or quick takeaways. It's like the five tips to this, the six steps to that, the seven hacks to have a better
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whatever. Right. Right? We like everything,like, distilled down to these little, little, little sound bites and these little clips and these little digestible things,
which I'm not saying they don't have theirplace, but you're missing out on the full meal, right? It's the difference between having, like, a SIP or a bite of something.
And you're like, think you got it allfigured out from that one thing. I'm like, No, you can't just eat that thing and then know how to create the rest of the meal,
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right? Like, you gotta spend some time withthings. And here's the thing, we must be willing. We must be willing, you know, to slow down and be with things, to think about
things, to try on things, to be in a processand in a relationship with things, so that we can assimilate, so that we can integrate, so that we can spend time with implementing
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things. This takes time. This is what slowlearning is all about. Is not being in a rush to try to get to some specific or certain outcome, you know? I mean, it's so
that you can actually start to understandthe information and implement it and integrate it, so that you can start to own it for yourself. And what a lot of people
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are good at is ingesting information, likereading it or, you know, hearing it or whatever. And then maybe they could do, like, have aI write them some fucking Cliff
Notes or whatever, some like show notes, orsome, like quick things where they can, like, regurgitate it or whatever. But that's not actually learning. That's just the
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ability to try and look smarter than youare. And
we often actually don't need moreinformation. I talk to a lot of people, especially fellow entrepreneurs and stuff, and they they like, oh my god, I have like a
graveyard. I have, like a graveyard ofcourses that I bought but never actually did, or I listened to them, but I didn't actually take any action, like I bought them
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and then they sat on my desktop, or they satin a folder, but I never actually went back and did it or used it. We don't often need more information. We seem to be actually
overwhelmed and inundated. Our nervoussystems are completely overwhelmed by how much input is coming in. What we actually need is to kind of like, have better filt
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filtration systems. Maybe stop buying 8000things, try to go deep on, maybe like one thing, or find a teacher or a source that you trust build, take time to build rapport
or relationship with an actual human being,and not just their quote, unquote content, right? And then see if you can, then start to learn some of those things and apply it
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trial and error, right? Try it. Fall down.Screw up. Like, pick yourself up. Try it again. You know what I'm saying. But again, this takes time, like slow learning. And the
other thing I was saying is like trueknowledge, like truly understanding something, like truly having, quote, unquote, learned, something that you can
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then apply to your own life, and maybe ahelpful way, or a healing way. True Knowledge requires work. It requires some effort, you know, and a lot of times, you
know, I think about certain yoga teachers,like, like people who have been around for a wicked long time. I mean, I've been around for a really long time, but there are people
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who have been around, you know, even longerthan me. And they said, one of the ways that I learned how to be a great yoga teacher, or a great teacher, is I basically spent time
in my teacher's presence? Is that I like,literally, like, spent as much time as I could with them, and I watched them, and I listened to them, and I noticed what they
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did, right? I even know one, one teacher whohad a guru that he cared for, like he literally was put in his care, like he was, like, tasked with caring for him. So he
would, like, deliver his tea, and he woulddeliver his meals, and he would listen to his lectures, and he was learning, like, you know, the system, the system of yoga from
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him. And this is like back in the day, buthe said, when he shaved his head, I would shave my head. When he crossed his legs, I would so he started to embody, and it's not
about becoming like the other person, but itis about sometimes learning the attributes of that. And I think this is what is often, where a lot of times it gets lost in
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Christianity, where I'm, like, the wholepoint of like, you know, Jesus is, was an embodiment of love. He was, like, the living example of love. And you want to try, like,
if you're a Christian, if that's your thing,right? Then, then the point is, is to follow in those footsteps of that deep level of. Passion and love and not exclusivity, not
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hate, not shame, not exclusion, right? So Ithink sometimes things get lost in translation, but you gotta be willing to spend some time in the presence of love to
start to really understand it, because it'snot like most of us were brought up in Wicked like some people I know, some people I know, I think it's beautiful. They brought
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up and been brought up in home environmentswhere they felt really seen and encouraged and heard and loved. And it's not that their parents were perfect, but their parents had
good emotional regulation and good emotionalintelligence. And they could own their shit and apologize when they blew it and saw that they were perfect people, but they
understood they were imperfect, and so theyapologized, and they used their words, and they taught their kids, you know, how to have good self confidence and self esteem
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and self respect and self integrity and selflove. And not all of us grew up that way. So true knowledge, I think, requires slow learning. It requires us to spend time not
just with like external teachers, but alsowith ourselves, also with sources of like, great information, or great knowledge or great wisdom. And whether that's like, you
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know, I think about like A Course inMiracles, like I've had like, a 30 year relationship with with that material, right, with that teaching tool. And I've had a
wicked long relationship with yoga. I've hada really long relationship with veganism. Like, there are things that I've had really long standing, you know, come from a
lineage, like, come from a tradition, andhave spent time with, and those are the things that I most confidently can share with others, because I have my own point of
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view on those things. I've taken it in, andI've spent enough time with them to actually have an opinion or a thought or, you know, might be able to share a perspective that
other people find helpful, you know. And oneof the things that I often see these days as I'm thinking about this slow learning, which drives me kind of crazy, is that whole TLDR.
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I'll never forget the first time I saw TLDR.And I'm like, I'm not hip enough to know what that is, so I had to look up with the cool like, what is it? What do the kids say?
What is this? TLDR typed on a thing mean,and it stood for too long, didn't read, oh my god, the bullshit. I was just like, what is happening right now? No, I understand to
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be fair, to be fair. I understand theremight be times where somebody is just doing a post that just goes on and on and on and on and on. It's like, what's the point like?
Get to the point like, I didn't, you didn'tneed to tell me those 17 things, right? But a lot of times, things are more complicated than a quick little spiritual meme or a
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little quote card or a little like oneminute blip from your podcast, right? Some things need more space to be shared and to be felt and to be understood. And I think
we're becoming a little bit lazy. I thinkwe're becoming a little bit shallow, not all of us, not everybody all the time. I'm not saying and I'm not even finger wagging. I'm
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just so much of what this podcast is, is mejust looking around the world with my own and we all have our own unique perspective. This just happens to be mine. This is why
it's the Karen Kenney show. It's just mejust kind of looking around and noticing some things and reporting back what moves me, what's exciting me, what's lighting me
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up, what I learned, what I don't like, whatI like, what you know, blah, blah, blah, you know. This is, this is a podcast. This is a show that, for me, is one of the ways that I
get to spread more love in the world. Andone of the things that I think we're losing at, and I think these things are just as important, you know, we part of love, is
being able to look at things and say, Thisdoesn't seem right. Is it just me? Right? Is it just me? But the whole TLDR thing, it's a lack of patience. It's a lack of, sometimes
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nervous system regulation to be able to sitstill long enough to think on a thing, or to listen to a thing, or hear a thing or pay attention to a thing. You know, we don't
just have, like a loneliness epidemic. Wehave a patience epidemic. And again, I don't think the devices have really helped at all. I think that that instant gratification,
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that seeking a quick fix, or that dopaminehit, you know, it hasn't really served us. And I think that in 2025 instead of going so wide and so broad, like to me, I think
there's a calling right now to have morevertical living, to go deeper, to have more depth in our relationships and our experiences, and to not just try to get
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like, the like, like I said the, you know,what are the things that? I called it fast outcomes and quick results. You know, if we're only as teachers and as people who.
Have podcasts, or our coaches and mentorsand or share information. You know, if we kowtow to what the algorithm wants in in like, I'm just not really a person who
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really plays by the rules. And, trust me, Ithink sometimes to myself, Man, I bet I would. I would have like,
maybe I would have more financial success,or more whatever success, if I played by the pace and the rule that most of the world runs by. But I'm just not interested. And
I'm it's not that I'm not interested becauseI'm trying to be different or rebellious. It just goes against the grain of who I am. Like, I literally feel my body contract when
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I see most of the marketing and most of thethe way that the world is, like showing up online, like, it's just not that fucking interesting to me at all. And again, I'm not
I'm not trying to be special. I'm justtrying to be myself. Like, here's an alternative way, you guys, is we could actually slow down and we could spend some
time with some stuff, and we could go deep,and we could really, really learn, because one of the pitfalls of ingesting fast information, and I'll give you an example.
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Here's an example. Okay, yoga teaches new.Yoga teaches. So one of the things that a lot of people don't know is that the way that a lot of yoga studios survive, not all,
but many. The way that they survive,especially in this climate, is that they run ytts. They run yoga teacher trainings. That's where they get a good hit or a good
bulk of their money, because a bunch ofpeople pay up front, like 3000 4000 whatever it is, right? Doll is so the studio gets a big cash infusion, which they can then pass
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out over the rest of the year to keep theirstudio viable. Not saying all, just saying many, I don't need the yoga police coming for me. Okay, but one of the things that I
often see as a Teacher of teachers, I am ayoga teacher for yoga teachers, oftentimes, and when I have done workshops and stuff like that for other yoga teachers, what you
realize, and especially with newbieteachers. And this isn't, I'm not being mean. I totally know why this happens. This is what happens a lot of times. Is in the
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beginning, because they're basically firehose with a lot of information, right then they're expected to, like, go out and teach, because they're first of all trying to make
not and not everybody who takes a ytt goeson to teach. Sometimes they just do it for their own self knowledge. They want to understand more, right? They have no
intention of teaching. So just understandthat everything that I'm saying has exceptions and nuances, okay, but a lot of times, new yoga teachers are fire hose with
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a lot of information, and then they want toget back out there and start to make money. First of all, they want to use this skill set. They're excited. A lot of times it's
ego, right? They want to be seen as a yogateacher or an authority in their field, or whatever the whatever people think to be a yoga teacher means. And then they also are
trying to recoup the money that they justinvested in their in their training. But a lot of times, in the beginning, they're basically just parroting. Right? Think about
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what parrots do. They mimic. They hear whatthey hear, what their owner does, and then they just regurgitate it. They repeat it, right? So in the beginning, a lot of times,
what yoga teachers are doing is they're justmemorizing things. They're mimicking things, and then they're parroting. They're regurgitating them back often in the style
and the voice of their teachers eventually,over time, if you stick with it long enough and you practice long enough what you learned and you continue with your own
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practice, things will start to settle in.You'll start to have your own perspective, you'll start to have your own voice, you'll start to have your own wisdom. But in the
beginning they don't know how to do this,and a lot of times what people do. And I'm just using yoga teachers as an example, because that's a field that I have a lot of
experience in, right? So I've done thisworkshop called Reading the room, like reading the room with the teacher's eye. And I've done workshops on assists, like hands
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on assists, and putting your hands on peopleand knowing what to look for. So when you have a room full of people in front of you as a yoga teacher, and you're trying to keep
everybody safe and have a good experience,right? Teaching isn't just backing a bunch of information at people. It's not Simon Says. You have to be able to see how what
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you're saying is landing. You have to beable to see through what their bodies are doing, how their mind is interpreting what you're saying. There's so much more to the
whole process, and it is definitely a slowlearning process, because one of the things that I do, there's an exercise that I do. I'll often take a person, I put them in the
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middle of the room on a mat. I ask them toshow like, call out a pose, warrior two, Virabhadrasana, whatever right come into this pose. And then I just have all the yoga
teachers stand around, and I say, tell mewhat you see. Tell me what you see here. Because one. Of the things that I often hear from yoga students who have gone out into
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the world and taken classes in other studiosand with other people is they've often come back and they've said they didn't correct me once they I and they're like and I even saw
some people like dada, dada, and I said, youknow, and they've given me feedback about their experiences, and I've said, because a lot of teachers actually don't know how to
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teach because they haven't spent enough timefirst doing their own slow learning. They know how to regurgitate, they know how to memorize, they know how to create a
sequence, and then they just back it out,but they're not actually like able to serve the people in front of them. They don't know how to problem solve yet. They don't know
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what to do with that person who I put in themiddle of the room, because they might be able to tell, well, it looks like their knees too far forward, maybe or but
sometimes they can't even see what theproblem is. And I'll say, tell me what you see. And they freeze, and they all kind of go quiet, and they all kind of look at me
and they I'm like, This isn't like a testwhere I'm trying to be mean. I'm trying to help you to learn to see what the teacher's eye and look at this is not when we try to
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do fast outcomes, fast results, immediatelike whatever, and when, when you have a culture that is teaching for quit out quick outcomes, you're not actually helping people
to be able to help themselves. And I'm thekind of person that when I mentor somebody or coach somebody I like, I'm not interested. I always say this. I'm not
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interested in creating co dependentrelationships. I love working with people for long periods of time. That's why I love when my one to one clients will do, like
four months with me, maybe take a break,come back, or do eight months straight, or a year straight, or whatever it is, because we get to go deep, and we get to have this time
where those skill sets, those tools, thosethings that I share, you know, they start to become their own. They start to make sense, because they have enough time to absorb
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them. They have enough time to spend timewith themselves and with this information, to start to like alchemize it. I do think of this work that I do as alchemy. You know,
we're putting in some contents and we'regetting something else out of it. That's the whole your story to your glory process. It's an alchemization. It's, it's, it is a form.
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I say it's miracles and magic. There's a lotthat's happening there. But if you're not willing to spend some time investing in yourself, investing your energy, yeah, some
money, your finances, your attention, yourwillingness to learn, your willingness to unlearn and relearn. I'm gonna do a whole podcast about that. We gotta let shit
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percolate. You know what I'm saying? Andright now, I feel like we're all like, I feel like I've been in a microwave. I just feel like I'm in a microwave being zapped
with all these rays and all this energy andall this noise and all this bullshit, but when you take the meal out of the microwave, it tastes like crap. It doesn't even taste
like food. It tastes kind of dead. All thelife, all the wisdom, everything's out of it. There's no nutrients. There's no nourishment, like we need, like, some crock
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pot. We need, like, some crock pot learning.We need some nice, slow, low heat, little bit of a simmer. You lift the lid. There's an aroma. Some stuff is cooking. Some stuff
is brewing, right? Some shit is happening.You know what I'm saying? Oh, man, no more microwaving. Maybe I should call this episode microwave versus the crock pot.
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That's how it kind of feels. We want thatdepth and flavor that comes from that wisdom, that knowledge that comes from slowing down, taking our time. There is so
much wisdom as this. There is so much, somuch possibility in this and so now I'm going to finally tell you the quote that inspired this whole, this whole thing. So
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my, my, one of my, one of my former one toone clients. What she basically said is, we were talking about a particular book, and I was talking about how this book is, is a
great addition to a DSP, a daily spiritualpractice. And I was saying, how, oh, I send this book to all of my one to one clients. And this person said, Yeah, I was, I was
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very fortunate. I was a very fortunaterecipient of the book during my invaluable one to one work with you. That's so sweet. And they said, at one point, 1.01
point, I am understanding more and more isthat I may not receive clarification immediately while doing one to one work, but it seems to percolate into fabulous aha
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moments. I am so grateful now. This issomething I have heard again and again. Again, there are people who have worked with me, like I said, some people for four
months, six months a year, whatever, andeverybody learns a little bit differently. There are people that pick up stuff, certain things, like, right away. There are other
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people who they're like, three months outand they're like, oh my god, I just had this situation happen, and I just realized what you've been telling me, right? I had, I have
a friend and a client say to text me theother day they posted something. They posted something that Mel Robbins had posted, or whatever. If you don't know who Mel Robbins
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is, she's like a online personality coach.Has written a bunch of books, right? And Mel, Mel said something, and I just wrote underneath it to my my friend who shared it,
and I just wrote, Yep, exactly. And theywrote back, and they says, This is what you this is exactly what you've been teaching me all these years. And I'm like, Yep, exactly,
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right. I'm like, I may not be posted aboutit all the time on social own media, but there is sometimes clarifications in things that start to happen over time. I've had
people who do one to one work and they comeaway and they're like, they're kind of a little confused, and they're like, sometimes, you know, not everybody, like,
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thinks like, this is the best experience ofmy life. I've never had bad I've never had bad feedback or anything like that. But what often happens is, like I said, three months,
six months, a year afterwards, I'll get,sometimes years afterwards, I'll get a note from somebody that says, Oh, my God, all that work that we did together is starting
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to just show up in my life in the mostamazing ways. So what I'm trying to say is slow learning is a really important thing. And if we insist on microwaving things, if
we insist on fast tracking things, if we'reonly teaching as teachers for certain outcomes. And you know, like the cliff note version of this, because we like there are
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people who study the psychology of humanmarkets, meaning there are people who study how people respond to the algorithm, to time, to content. And people will say to me
all the time, nobody wants to read some longass. And I'm like, You're wrong, because I want to read it because I'm a reader and I'm a writer and I love long form things, I will
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sit down and watch a two hour, three hour,you know, Podcast. I'm a person who likes there to be space in room for things to be digested. Why do you think the Nest has been
going on for years? Why do you think peoplein the nest keep coming back, month after month, year after year? Because they have learned over all this time of being with me
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that it takes time for things to sink in, tomake sense, to become their own, to be applicable, and it's through the process of falling in love with the process and not
just the quick outcome. So if there issomething that you want to learn, go all in on it. Invest in it, spend some time with it. Get to decide if it's really for you or
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not, you know, like, I just spent time someof you, I think, know this. I think I've mentioned this, like, this was my first time in like 25 years. I've worked for myself for
25 years, and I went into a littleadventure, and I went out into the world, and I got, like, a part time gig for like six months working with somebody else and
for somebody else, and they're lovely, and Ihad a great time, and I met amazing people, and I realized, like, my my business me doing my own thing, that's where it's at.
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But I'm so glad like that I trust myself,and I'm adventurous enough and willing enough to go out and do the thing and find like, it's Fauci, right? You know me, I got
a Fauci. I gotta fuck around and find out,but I love going out and finding out things about myself and finding out what really works for me, and spending some time with
things, and spending enough time that I canmake an educated, you know, not an educated guess, but like an I can be an informed decision. That's what I'm trying to say. So
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I hope this has been helpful in some way.And those of you who have been listening to this podcast, we're going to be coming up on six years. I can't even believe it. We're
going to be coming up on six years in like300 episodes soon. So those of you who have been hanging in with me, maybe you understand better than anybody, how it is to
continually to hear these things. This apodcast, you know, yeah, it's usually done fairly quickly or whatever, but it's, it's kind of like over time, you might hear some
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repetition, some repeated things. I do thaton purpose because I know how learning actually works. And it often takes time for things to like, sink in. Karen, right? So
less microwave con more, more crock pot,more slow cooker, right? More slow learning in 2025 and if you're interested right, in learning from me, there's a bunch of fun
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ways you guys to spend time together. So ifyou just go to my website, Karen kenney.com, you'll see like all the different ways to work with me, right? You can work with me
one to one in the quest. That's just Karenkenney.com/quest if you want to join my group program, my group experience, spiritual mentoring, that's Karen
kenney.com/nest if you want to start doingsome online yoga, I'm teaching online yoga. So now, no matter where you are in the country or whatever you can tune in Tuesday
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nights at 6pm Eastern, and that's just Karenkenney.com/yoga of course, you can always just get on my email list, all those things, all that stuff you can find on my website,
and you could also just keep listening tothe show. But I do hope that I get to work with some of you at some point, either in the nest or one to one in the quest, or
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maybe I'll see you online in a workshop or ayoga class or whatever. That would be amazing. So I appreciate you guys. Thank you so much for spending some time with me, for
spending some slow time with me. If you madeit all the way to this episode, I really appreciate it and you. And then wherever you go, may you just take your time a little
bit. May you go out into the world and justlike ease on down the road, keep it a little slow and low right wherever you go. May you leave yourself and the animals and the
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environment and the people in the planetbetter than how you found them wherever you go. May you be a blessing. Bye. Bye.
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