July 14, 2026 • 19 mins
In an industry constantly promoting the newest device or technology, why has microneedling remained a cornerstone of skin rejuvenation?
In this episode of Plastic Surgery Uncensored, board-certified plastic surgeon Dr. Rady Rahban is joined by aesthetic nurse Charlene for part four of their five-part series examining today's most popular nonsurgical aesthetic treatments.
Together, they explore the science behind microneedling, how controlled collagen stimulation can improve skin texture, tone, fine lines, acne scars, and overall skin quality, and why this relatively simple treatment continues to earn the confidence of experienced providers despite the constant introduction of newer technologies.
Dr. Rahban and Charlene also discuss the differences between microneedling devices, why the quality of the equipment and technique matter, the role of PRP, PRF, hyaluronic acid, and other skin boosters, what to expect during recovery, and the importance of proper post-treatment care to maximize both safety and results.
This episode isn't about chasing the latest trend or claiming that one treatment can solve every skin concern. It's about understanding why microneedling has remained a foundational treatment in aesthetic medicine—and why, for many patients, it represents one of the safest, most effective long-term investments in healthier, more resilient skin.
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In this episode of Plastic Surgery Uncensored, board-certified plastic surgeon Dr. Rady Rahban is joined by aesthetic nurse Charlene for part four of their five-part series examining today's most popular nonsurgical aesthetic treatments.
Together, they explore the science behind microneedling, how controlled collagen stimulation can improve skin texture, tone, fine lines, acne scars, and overall skin quality, and why this relatively simple treatment continues to earn the confidence of experienced providers despite the constant introduction of newer technologies.
Dr. Rahban and Charlene also discuss the differences between microneedling devices, why the quality of the equipment and technique matter, the role of PRP, PRF, hyaluronic acid, and other skin boosters, what to expect during recovery, and the importance of proper post-treatment care to maximize both safety and results.
This episode isn't about chasing the latest trend or claiming that one treatment can solve every skin concern. It's about understanding why microneedling has remained a foundational treatment in aesthetic medicine—and why, for many patients, it represents one of the safest, most effective long-term investments in healthier, more resilient skin.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome to another episode of Plastic Surgery and Centered. I'm
your host, doctor Roddy Rabon, and boy do we have
a series for you. Hopefully by now you've listened to
series one, Episode one, two and three.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
This is four of a five part series. We spoke
about neuve modulators.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Fillers, lasers, and now arguably my wife and Charlene's favorite.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Procedure, micro needling.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
So I first became aware of micro needling, I want
to say a few years back, and as always, a
lot of my education when it comes to the non
surgical world, came through my wife, because Laura is going
to explore and she'll do anything for her skin. Yeah,
she loves her skin. She takes great care of her
(00:53):
skin and as a result.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
She's has beautiful skins on.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
As a result, she has beautiful skin, and she's on
the know of what's on the horizon. And as I'm
a believer that you know on the horizon is a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Of good things and a boatload of shitty things.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah, and so I am not one to want to
be providing my patients with things where within six months
we find out that wasn't so good. So micro needling
several years ago. My wife was going to do this,
and you know, she'd come back. She'd be all read
and I'd be like, what are you doing? And She's like,
none of your business. I'm like, what do you mean,
It's not my business. I'm a plastic surgeon.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
You're my wife. I need to know. She's like, I'm
getting micro needling.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
And I was so skeptical because frankly, she's getting it,
God knows where. I don't know anything as she's doing,
and you know, I have PTSD. I'm traumatized all day long.
I see complications in the cosmetic world. That's all I do.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Is like fifty percent of everyone I see has.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Had something go wrong. So my wife, being Russian, doesn't care.
And she said, Okay, you know, screw you. Until you
have it, I'm going to go do it anyway. Fast forward,
fast forward, and now we've built this incredible spa and
wellness center restore by Ramon, MD, which we're just opened
and we're excited about. And one of the first things
(02:06):
we brought into our practice. Before we brought lasers, we
had botox and filler. It's been a tried and true.
Within a week of you arriving the first thing we
did was brought micro needling, and interestingly enough, it was
your favorite procedure as well. And so first thing we
need to do is describe what micro needling is and
(02:27):
what exactly is micro needling.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
So micro needling it's a device that has about twenty
four little tiny needles attached to the end of it,
and then we can adjust the depths of how deep
these needles are going to penetrate through the skin tissue,
so we can go from point five millimeters all the
way up to two point five millimeters, and the needles
puncture in and out of the skin tissue, which create
controlled injuries on the dermis, which stimulate new collagen production.
(02:53):
So it's great at just helping stimulate tons of collagen,
creating new healthy skin tissue and skin cells, really just
rejuvenating the skin overall.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah, so basically the gist of it, and it's it's
so basic yet so brilliant. It's a handheld device, battery
operated or plugged in. It's mechanical, it's essentially a sewing machine.
It's got needles. We'll get to the quality of the
needles in a second. And these needles go back and
(03:23):
forth at very high velocity, and your faces numb. For
those of you freaking out already, your numb is a doorknob.
I had it done. It's on our Instagram. Laws had
it done. You can see it for yourself. And you
basically roll this we call it a pen, and you
roll this pen over the face and then this need
(03:43):
These needles are going in and out at high velocity, puncturing,
making these microscopic punctures and putting holes into your skin
and basically, as she said, creating controlled trauma or damage.
And the one thing we know about our body is
that it heals when it's damaged. So if you get
(04:05):
a dog bite and you just have a big puncture
wound in your arm and it doesn't get infected, it
will heal.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
It will heal.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
How does it heal with scar tissue? How tough is
that star tissue? Very tough? So it tells you that
our body can heal, and it can heal actually quite strong.
So now imagine we take the technology of our bodies
healing and we create a device that does it in
a tiny microscopic way and controls it.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
It's brilliant.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
You're basically mechanically making millions of little holes from which
your skin then heals and generates new skin. And that's
the key generates new skin. Lasers buy and large don't
necessarily generate new skin. In many instances they're resurfacing and
taking off skin. But this is allowing you to create
(04:57):
new skin. So as you can imagine as you do
this technology over time, every time, let's just make up
a number.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I don't know this to be statistically true.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Let's say one percent of your skin is damaged and
is recuperates and is new. So one percent of your
skin every time you do micro needling is becoming a
new skin. You can imagine that over time, like Laura
has been doing this for several years, you basically have
a whole new face of new skin because you've at
some point or another punctured that area and it's healed.
(05:31):
So it's remarkable that requires nothing other than your own biology.
And the reason why it's so remarkable is that it
addresses pretty much everything because it addresses tone, texture, quality,
all kinds of things very commonly with the micro needling.
So you have this mechanical device, there is some liquid
(05:53):
or stimulator or.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Some skin booster skin.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Booster that you use in conjunction.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Now, I believe, and I think you believe, and Laura
believes that the bulk of the benefit is just the
micro kneeling itself. But since you have to use a lubricrint,
like there's some lubricant that you roll over the skin,
you can then pick what that lubricint is and the
key to it. And the belief is, now I've generated
(06:22):
all these holes. Imagine you go and your gardening and
you use that that device that pokes holes in your grass,
and then you have all these thousands of holes and
then you pour seeds and those seeds fall into those holes.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
So the idea now is you created all these pores
or channels.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
And depending on what you put on top, what you
put on top, I'll absorbed whatever you put on it
at those deeper levels of like the tissue, right, So
you're basically introducing some type of stimulant within too, the dermis.
And so those things vary from as basic and probably
the most effective, but nonetheless as basic as pr.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
P or PRF. What is that.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
So PRP is plasma rich platelets. It is pretty much
your body zone natural growth factors. It's derived from your
red blood cells. We're able to extract it from the
red blood cells by spinning it at different rates.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Right, So basically, we take your blood one file, we
spin it, we get rid of all the junk, and
then the concentrated plasma yours which in it, in it
has all kinds of goodies, right, we call them. You know,
progenitor cells and growth factors are in there. We don't
really still know how to utilize them, but in this
(07:35):
instance it doesn't matter because we're just applying it topically.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
And then it works its way down, works.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Its way down, and presumably it enhances the already amazing
result from the micro needle. In addition to that, there's
a whole group of this whole area of stimulators. Is
the is the new It really is the new world
order of of dermatology. It's exploded because the idea is,
(08:03):
now I can deliver into your skin, not on top
of your skin, into your skin.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Now I can deliver chemicals, and those chemicals.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Are going then going to alter your skin, whereas historically
derm was about topical. So what are there other skin
boosters that people use?
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I mean, hyrolonic acid is usually just going to be
the general one, but we offer different skin boosters that
can really accelerate the you said.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Some of them are more lean towards making the skin
feel shiny, some of.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Which every skin booster you have has hyerlonic acid in it.
But if you want to upgrade your treatment, there's different
skin boosters that can deliver different results.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
So there's also one, like a really popular one. Because
everything becomes popular because of social media, because of.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Influencers.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
So salmon spur was one that was really up on,
you know, like a big deal, a big topic.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
You said you tried it. Tried it.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, I tried it. I'm not going to say that
I saw results directly, but I did notice that just
people were commenting on my skin more. But I mean,
I think it's just like it's hard to say.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I think that the booster part is still to be determined.
I think that the reality again I think it's ninety
six percent is the micro needling itself. There's going to
be the future is of exosomes. Exosomes as a whole
nother discussion and my got an episode of its own.
There's still a lot of controversy around what you can
and can't use. But I want you to leave this
(09:31):
episode going micro needling, amazing, got to do it. So
the next thing is you don't just walk into a
place and say I want micro needling. Why because all
micro needling pens are not created equally.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
And this is super important.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Because if you look at my wife, who we just
use as an example, she'll micro needle. She's white as snow,
she turns super red, and by evening and morning she
looks amazing. She has no bruises, no scarring, no not thing.
And that's not just because laura skin is good. It's
because the needles.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
We have a very high quality.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Expensive pen in which the needles are super sharp and
the device retracts.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
The needles all the way.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
So you were saying something about the other needles or
the other pens or what.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Other pens, they either don't go as fast, they don't
go in and out of the skin as nicely. And
you said you've seen like I've seen, you can see
like track marks where it drags onto the skin tissue,
where people have scabs on top of their skin from
micro needling with you know, not an FDA approved device, right, So.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I think that what I'm going to get you to
understand is you can actually go on Amazon right now
micro needling pen pow. There's like fifty of them from
Taiwan and China. Then, so that means that you can
go to a I don't know, a day spa. You
can go to literally your facialist and they're like, yeah,
we have a pen and we can do micro needling. Right,
I'm already here, I'm getting my nails done. I would
(10:56):
discourage you from doing that because while this is a
super big, sick, super basic procedure, just like everything, it
can go terribly wrong.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Like you go in and just get highlights.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I mean how hard they can burn your hair, Like
your hair can get singed by chemicals and fall off.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
So it's just a chem it's just coloring your hair.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Same thing with micro kneeling done correctly, awesome, easy by
see you later done incorrectly catastrophic error.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
So basically the gist of it.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
So micro kneeling amazing technology. You basically come in, you
just numb for about thirty forty minutes.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Right, that's the key. So for people who are like,
oh I don't want pain, zero pain, I hate pain.
I did it, no pain, then again I use a
whole jar.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
But nonetheless, then the procedure takes how long?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Fifteen minutes?
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Fifteen minutes?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yea. If you want to treat yourself, you put a
little cool mask on, you look like Freddy Krueger.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I put that on.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
You go home, You let that thing dry up, you
get in, you just get it wet, it falls off,
and now you have skin that's been had a procedure
on it. It's not terribly bad, but it still needs
to be cared for. So how do you care for it?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
So afterwards you just have to be careful. I mean,
your skin is regenerating new tissue, so it's almost like
new skin. So you really want to make sure that
you're just taking care of.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
It well afterwards, which includes.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Which includes making sure that you're keeping your skin clean clean.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
So keeping your skin clean is critical.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
With all skin procedures, you can get a skin infection
you have open wounds. That's the same way with lasers,
that's the same way with micro kneeling. Anytime we damage
your skin to make it heal, if you go take
your disgusting hands, let your cat lick your face, you
go and use dirty makeup brushes, you will get a
(12:43):
staff or strap or some other infection.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
So duh. Keep your skin clean.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Keep your skin clean, you know, change your pillow cases out,
don't put your phone on your face. Things as simple
as that. You're going to want to keep your skin moisturized,
so we'll provide you with after care post treatment after
kara with hyrolonic acid in it and growth factors where
you're just gonna infuse into your skin tissue to keep
it moisturized and then essentially just keep it away from
(13:09):
the sun.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
So three basic things that you need to do, no
matter where you go, no matter what. This is just standard.
This is just the basics of basics. One clean your face.
Keep it clean so that means keep it away from
dirty shit, phones, licking fingers, makeup brushes. Two keep it hydrated.
(13:32):
Do not let your skin desiccate and become some dry brittle.
It needs moisture. Three stay the hell away from the sun.
That's a big hat and SPF.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Those are the three. There is no other magic. That's it.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
If you do those things and you continue to do
the micro and eating. How often do you do how
often can you do micro needling?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
You can do micro needling as frequent as every month
if you like. That's what Laura does.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
So my wife's crazy. She is such a skin I
don't know what to tell you, but fair to her.
Fair to her, her skin is perfection. The more you
do it, the better it is. It's not crazy expensive,
It's got very little. I mean literally the next day,
for the most part, you're back to normal. And I
(14:18):
think that it's of all the things that we have
to offer you, if you had to choose between that
and a laser, if like you just had to, I
would tell you to do regular micro needling. And as
a result, you can do it anytime, but I would.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Do it at least quarterly. I think after quarterly you.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Kind of lose the benefits because by the time half
once there twice a year I think is a little
on the lower side.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Okay, so.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Is there anything else that you think is critical with
the micro needling in the microneedling world?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Is there any complications? What have you seen with micro needling?
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Like we mentioned you know, have you ever seen have
you ever aside from infections, have you ever seen permanent
scarring that someone's come in from because they use some
shitty device.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
No, not personally, but it has happened, got it.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I think it's a pretty bulletproof procedure, assuming you just
go to a reputable place. And I think that you
will really grow to like micro needling. And I think
that your best bet, like anything else that you do
that you think is of worthwhile, I would just go
to a place, buy a package, set your calendar, set
it in space. You know people do that with botox.
They don't think twice about it. It's like I'm going
(15:32):
to get my next appointment. I think the micro needling
is the same way. You'll see that after you've done
a few rounds of it, you will really appreciably know
your skin looks better. You are actually going to get
people going like, oh wow, that looks much better. And
so I mean, I think ultimately our goal is for
our skin to be the very best version of it
that it can be.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yeah, when your skin looks better, everything just looks better.
On top of it, the botox will look better, makeup
will look better, you.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Know, not even yeah my home, sir, that like. And
I taught my wife, but she likes makeup because she
just likes makeup. I think you should hopefully have such
a nice complexion over time that you don't require as
much makeup and tell me what it does with it
does have a there is one thing to keep in mind,
you will have a process of purging with you.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
So we didn't mention that.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
So I'd take that back for a second. Depending on
your skin, the idea is that this is going to
it could make your skin initially a little bit worse right,
because it brings out whatever's in.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
There that oils the acne, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Because actually, now that I thought about it, I had
a friend or to who came to us and they
called me to said is it normal? I said, yes,
you're in that purging process. So do you find this
purging or breakout component to be the first few days
or do you think it's for weeks or how does.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
It really just the first few days? To be honest,
it's kind of just getting everything out from underneath.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
And do you find that people who actively purge purge
every time they do it, or after they get into
a rhythm, it goes away.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
After they do a couple of treatments, it tends to
go away because now the skin, you know, especially if
it's the first time treatment, you've never done anything, it's
really bringing everything out. It's almost like getting a facial.
Sometimes people can get a facial and we'll purge right
after and you're not even doing anything underneath the right And.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Then what skin types can you do this? And I'm black?
Can I do it? I'm Mexican, I'm Asian.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Heat associated with the treatment, there's not really, so there's
no risk.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
So that's the reason why this is remarkable, because even
the lasers that we had an episode about before, and
we were commenting on how amazing the new technology is,
it's still not without its risk. It's still when we
say you can do darker skin people, we have to
be cautious. You have to pretreat, you have to post treat,
and it can be done and can be highly effective,
but nothing is like micro needling in terms of its
(17:46):
effectiveness for low risk down time. So I think it's
you know, yesterday Arnest thesiology doctor Houston, who's done a
few episodes with us.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
She's African American.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
She came in, she did and I did the micro needling,
and I think she really really liked it.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Yeah, looks really good.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yeah all right, guys, Well that's easy.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
That was I think this is our sort of a
TOZ micro kneeling, I think is a really good treatment.
I think if you're out there and you are entering
the space right you're listening, you're like, I'm a no
frills person, like, I don't know, I just want to get.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
My feet wet.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
This is the best way to get your feet wet,
even above boat talks, even if you've done nothing, no boattox,
no filler, no lasers, no nothing, and you're like, I'm
gonna only do one thing, one thing only.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I would do micro needling over anything else.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
For sure, it is going to have the greatest effect
for the least amount of money, with the least amount
of risk and downside. All right, guys, well that's a wrap.
We have one more episode after this and that's gonna
be talking about medical great skincare, which you're gonna want
to listen in.
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and sensored
Welcome to another episode of Plastic Surgery and Centered. I'm
your host, doctor Roddy Rabon, and boy do we have
a series for you. Hopefully by now you've listened to
series one, Episode one, two and three.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
This is four of a five part series. We spoke
about neuve modulators.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Fillers, lasers, and now arguably my wife and Charlene's favorite.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Procedure, micro needling.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
So I first became aware of micro needling, I want
to say a few years back, and as always, a
lot of my education when it comes to the non
surgical world, came through my wife, because Laura is going
to explore and she'll do anything for her skin. Yeah,
she loves her skin. She takes great care of her
(00:53):
skin and as a result.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
She's has beautiful skins on.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
As a result, she has beautiful skin, and she's on
the know of what's on the horizon. And as I'm
a believer that you know on the horizon is a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Of good things and a boatload of shitty things.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah, and so I am not one to want to
be providing my patients with things where within six months
we find out that wasn't so good. So micro needling
several years ago. My wife was going to do this,
and you know, she'd come back. She'd be all read
and I'd be like, what are you doing? And She's like,
none of your business. I'm like, what do you mean,
It's not my business. I'm a plastic surgeon.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
You're my wife. I need to know. She's like, I'm
getting micro needling.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
And I was so skeptical because frankly, she's getting it,
God knows where. I don't know anything as she's doing,
and you know, I have PTSD. I'm traumatized all day long.
I see complications in the cosmetic world. That's all I do.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Is like fifty percent of everyone I see has.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Had something go wrong. So my wife, being Russian, doesn't care.
And she said, Okay, you know, screw you. Until you
have it, I'm going to go do it anyway. Fast forward,
fast forward, and now we've built this incredible spa and
wellness center restore by Ramon, MD, which we're just opened
and we're excited about. And one of the first things
(02:06):
we brought into our practice. Before we brought lasers, we
had botox and filler. It's been a tried and true.
Within a week of you arriving the first thing we
did was brought micro needling, and interestingly enough, it was
your favorite procedure as well. And so first thing we
need to do is describe what micro needling is and
(02:27):
what exactly is micro needling.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
So micro needling it's a device that has about twenty
four little tiny needles attached to the end of it,
and then we can adjust the depths of how deep
these needles are going to penetrate through the skin tissue,
so we can go from point five millimeters all the
way up to two point five millimeters, and the needles
puncture in and out of the skin tissue, which create
controlled injuries on the dermis, which stimulate new collagen production.
(02:53):
So it's great at just helping stimulate tons of collagen,
creating new healthy skin tissue and skin cells, really just
rejuvenating the skin overall.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah, so basically the gist of it, and it's it's
so basic yet so brilliant. It's a handheld device, battery
operated or plugged in. It's mechanical, it's essentially a sewing machine.
It's got needles. We'll get to the quality of the
needles in a second. And these needles go back and
(03:23):
forth at very high velocity, and your faces numb. For
those of you freaking out already, your numb is a doorknob.
I had it done. It's on our Instagram. Laws had
it done. You can see it for yourself. And you
basically roll this we call it a pen, and you
roll this pen over the face and then this need
(03:43):
These needles are going in and out at high velocity, puncturing,
making these microscopic punctures and putting holes into your skin
and basically, as she said, creating controlled trauma or damage.
And the one thing we know about our body is
that it heals when it's damaged. So if you get
(04:05):
a dog bite and you just have a big puncture
wound in your arm and it doesn't get infected, it
will heal.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
It will heal.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
How does it heal with scar tissue? How tough is
that star tissue? Very tough? So it tells you that
our body can heal, and it can heal actually quite strong.
So now imagine we take the technology of our bodies
healing and we create a device that does it in
a tiny microscopic way and controls it.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
It's brilliant.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
You're basically mechanically making millions of little holes from which
your skin then heals and generates new skin. And that's
the key generates new skin. Lasers buy and large don't
necessarily generate new skin. In many instances they're resurfacing and
taking off skin. But this is allowing you to create
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new skin. So as you can imagine as you do
this technology over time, every time, let's just make up
a number.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I don't know this to be statistically true.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Let's say one percent of your skin is damaged and
is recuperates and is new. So one percent of your
skin every time you do micro needling is becoming a
new skin. You can imagine that over time, like Laura
has been doing this for several years, you basically have
a whole new face of new skin because you've at
some point or another punctured that area and it's healed.
(05:31):
So it's remarkable that requires nothing other than your own biology.
And the reason why it's so remarkable is that it
addresses pretty much everything because it addresses tone, texture, quality,
all kinds of things very commonly with the micro needling.
So you have this mechanical device, there is some liquid
(05:53):
or stimulator or.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Some skin booster skin.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Booster that you use in conjunction.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Now, I believe, and I think you believe, and Laura
believes that the bulk of the benefit is just the
micro kneeling itself. But since you have to use a lubricrint,
like there's some lubricant that you roll over the skin,
you can then pick what that lubricint is and the
key to it. And the belief is, now I've generated
(06:22):
all these holes. Imagine you go and your gardening and
you use that that device that pokes holes in your grass,
and then you have all these thousands of holes and
then you pour seeds and those seeds fall into those holes.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
So the idea now is you created all these pores
or channels.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
And depending on what you put on top, what you
put on top, I'll absorbed whatever you put on it
at those deeper levels of like the tissue, right, So
you're basically introducing some type of stimulant within too, the dermis.
And so those things vary from as basic and probably
the most effective, but nonetheless as basic as pr.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
P or PRF. What is that.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
So PRP is plasma rich platelets. It is pretty much
your body zone natural growth factors. It's derived from your
red blood cells. We're able to extract it from the
red blood cells by spinning it at different rates.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Right, So basically, we take your blood one file, we
spin it, we get rid of all the junk, and
then the concentrated plasma yours which in it, in it
has all kinds of goodies, right, we call them. You know,
progenitor cells and growth factors are in there. We don't
really still know how to utilize them, but in this
(07:35):
instance it doesn't matter because we're just applying it topically.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
And then it works its way down, works.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Its way down, and presumably it enhances the already amazing
result from the micro needle. In addition to that, there's
a whole group of this whole area of stimulators. Is
the is the new It really is the new world
order of of dermatology. It's exploded because the idea is,
(08:03):
now I can deliver into your skin, not on top
of your skin, into your skin.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Now I can deliver chemicals, and those chemicals.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Are going then going to alter your skin, whereas historically
derm was about topical. So what are there other skin
boosters that people use?
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I mean, hyrolonic acid is usually just going to be
the general one, but we offer different skin boosters that
can really accelerate the you said.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Some of them are more lean towards making the skin
feel shiny, some of.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Which every skin booster you have has hyerlonic acid in it.
But if you want to upgrade your treatment, there's different
skin boosters that can deliver different results.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
So there's also one, like a really popular one. Because
everything becomes popular because of social media, because of.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Influencers.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
So salmon spur was one that was really up on,
you know, like a big deal, a big topic.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
You said you tried it. Tried it.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, I tried it. I'm not going to say that
I saw results directly, but I did notice that just
people were commenting on my skin more. But I mean,
I think it's just like it's hard to say.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I think that the booster part is still to be determined.
I think that the reality again I think it's ninety
six percent is the micro needling itself. There's going to
be the future is of exosomes. Exosomes as a whole
nother discussion and my got an episode of its own.
There's still a lot of controversy around what you can
and can't use. But I want you to leave this
(09:31):
episode going micro needling, amazing, got to do it. So
the next thing is you don't just walk into a
place and say I want micro needling. Why because all
micro needling pens are not created equally.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
And this is super important.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Because if you look at my wife, who we just
use as an example, she'll micro needle. She's white as snow,
she turns super red, and by evening and morning she
looks amazing. She has no bruises, no scarring, no not thing.
And that's not just because laura skin is good. It's
because the needles.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
We have a very high quality.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Expensive pen in which the needles are super sharp and
the device retracts.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
The needles all the way.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
So you were saying something about the other needles or
the other pens or what.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Other pens, they either don't go as fast, they don't
go in and out of the skin as nicely. And
you said you've seen like I've seen, you can see
like track marks where it drags onto the skin tissue,
where people have scabs on top of their skin from
micro needling with you know, not an FDA approved device, right, So.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I think that what I'm going to get you to
understand is you can actually go on Amazon right now
micro needling pen pow. There's like fifty of them from
Taiwan and China. Then, so that means that you can
go to a I don't know, a day spa. You
can go to literally your facialist and they're like, yeah,
we have a pen and we can do micro needling. Right,
I'm already here, I'm getting my nails done. I would
(10:56):
discourage you from doing that because while this is a
super big, sick, super basic procedure, just like everything, it
can go terribly wrong.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Like you go in and just get highlights.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I mean how hard they can burn your hair, Like
your hair can get singed by chemicals and fall off.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
So it's just a chem it's just coloring your hair.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Same thing with micro kneeling done correctly, awesome, easy by
see you later done incorrectly catastrophic error.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
So basically the gist of it.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
So micro kneeling amazing technology. You basically come in, you
just numb for about thirty forty minutes.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Right, that's the key. So for people who are like,
oh I don't want pain, zero pain, I hate pain.
I did it, no pain, then again I use a
whole jar.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
But nonetheless, then the procedure takes how long?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Fifteen minutes?
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Fifteen minutes?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yea. If you want to treat yourself, you put a
little cool mask on, you look like Freddy Krueger.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I put that on.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
You go home, You let that thing dry up, you
get in, you just get it wet, it falls off,
and now you have skin that's been had a procedure
on it. It's not terribly bad, but it still needs
to be cared for. So how do you care for it?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
So afterwards you just have to be careful. I mean,
your skin is regenerating new tissue, so it's almost like
new skin. So you really want to make sure that
you're just taking care of.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
It well afterwards, which includes.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Which includes making sure that you're keeping your skin clean clean.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
So keeping your skin clean is critical.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
With all skin procedures, you can get a skin infection
you have open wounds. That's the same way with lasers,
that's the same way with micro kneeling. Anytime we damage
your skin to make it heal, if you go take
your disgusting hands, let your cat lick your face, you
go and use dirty makeup brushes, you will get a
(12:43):
staff or strap or some other infection.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
So duh. Keep your skin clean.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Keep your skin clean, you know, change your pillow cases out,
don't put your phone on your face. Things as simple
as that. You're going to want to keep your skin moisturized,
so we'll provide you with after care post treatment after
kara with hyrolonic acid in it and growth factors where
you're just gonna infuse into your skin tissue to keep
it moisturized and then essentially just keep it away from
(13:09):
the sun.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
So three basic things that you need to do, no
matter where you go, no matter what. This is just standard.
This is just the basics of basics. One clean your face.
Keep it clean so that means keep it away from
dirty shit, phones, licking fingers, makeup brushes. Two keep it hydrated.
(13:32):
Do not let your skin desiccate and become some dry brittle.
It needs moisture. Three stay the hell away from the sun.
That's a big hat and SPF.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Those are the three. There is no other magic. That's it.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
If you do those things and you continue to do
the micro and eating. How often do you do how
often can you do micro needling?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
You can do micro needling as frequent as every month
if you like. That's what Laura does.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
So my wife's crazy. She is such a skin I
don't know what to tell you, but fair to her.
Fair to her, her skin is perfection. The more you
do it, the better it is. It's not crazy expensive,
It's got very little. I mean literally the next day,
for the most part, you're back to normal. And I
(14:18):
think that it's of all the things that we have
to offer you, if you had to choose between that
and a laser, if like you just had to, I
would tell you to do regular micro needling. And as
a result, you can do it anytime, but I would.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Do it at least quarterly. I think after quarterly you.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Kind of lose the benefits because by the time half
once there twice a year I think is a little
on the lower side.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Okay, so.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Is there anything else that you think is critical with
the micro needling in the microneedling world?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Is there any complications? What have you seen with micro needling?
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Like we mentioned you know, have you ever seen have
you ever aside from infections, have you ever seen permanent
scarring that someone's come in from because they use some
shitty device.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
No, not personally, but it has happened, got it.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I think it's a pretty bulletproof procedure, assuming you just
go to a reputable place. And I think that you
will really grow to like micro needling. And I think
that your best bet, like anything else that you do
that you think is of worthwhile, I would just go
to a place, buy a package, set your calendar, set
it in space. You know people do that with botox.
They don't think twice about it. It's like I'm going
(15:32):
to get my next appointment. I think the micro needling
is the same way. You'll see that after you've done
a few rounds of it, you will really appreciably know
your skin looks better. You are actually going to get
people going like, oh wow, that looks much better. And
so I mean, I think ultimately our goal is for
our skin to be the very best version of it
that it can be.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yeah, when your skin looks better, everything just looks better.
On top of it, the botox will look better, makeup
will look better, you.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Know, not even yeah my home, sir, that like. And
I taught my wife, but she likes makeup because she
just likes makeup. I think you should hopefully have such
a nice complexion over time that you don't require as
much makeup and tell me what it does with it
does have a there is one thing to keep in mind,
you will have a process of purging with you.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
So we didn't mention that.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
So I'd take that back for a second. Depending on
your skin, the idea is that this is going to
it could make your skin initially a little bit worse right,
because it brings out whatever's in.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
There that oils the acne, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Because actually, now that I thought about it, I had
a friend or to who came to us and they
called me to said is it normal? I said, yes,
you're in that purging process. So do you find this
purging or breakout component to be the first few days
or do you think it's for weeks or how does.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
It really just the first few days? To be honest,
it's kind of just getting everything out from underneath.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
And do you find that people who actively purge purge
every time they do it, or after they get into
a rhythm, it goes away.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
After they do a couple of treatments, it tends to
go away because now the skin, you know, especially if
it's the first time treatment, you've never done anything, it's
really bringing everything out. It's almost like getting a facial.
Sometimes people can get a facial and we'll purge right
after and you're not even doing anything underneath the right And.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Then what skin types can you do this? And I'm black?
Can I do it? I'm Mexican, I'm Asian.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Heat associated with the treatment, there's not really, so there's
no risk.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
So that's the reason why this is remarkable, because even
the lasers that we had an episode about before, and
we were commenting on how amazing the new technology is,
it's still not without its risk. It's still when we
say you can do darker skin people, we have to
be cautious. You have to pretreat, you have to post treat,
and it can be done and can be highly effective,
but nothing is like micro needling in terms of its
(17:46):
effectiveness for low risk down time. So I think it's
you know, yesterday Arnest thesiology doctor Houston, who's done a
few episodes with us.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
She's African American.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
She came in, she did and I did the micro needling,
and I think she really really liked it.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Yeah, looks really good.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yeah all right, guys, Well that's easy.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
That was I think this is our sort of a
TOZ micro kneeling, I think is a really good treatment.
I think if you're out there and you are entering
the space right you're listening, you're like, I'm a no
frills person, like, I don't know, I just want to get.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
My feet wet.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
This is the best way to get your feet wet,
even above boat talks, even if you've done nothing, no boattox,
no filler, no lasers, no nothing, and you're like, I'm
gonna only do one thing, one thing only.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I would do micro needling over anything else.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
For sure, it is going to have the greatest effect
for the least amount of money, with the least amount
of risk and downside. All right, guys, well that's a wrap.
We have one more episode after this and that's gonna
be talking about medical great skincare, which you're gonna want
to listen in.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
You don't want to miss that. Otherwise, I hope you
enjoyed this episode. As always, two things we have at
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