Episode - 24 - American cycling is better than European cycling let's fight! - 500 Cats

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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
amazingly enough episode 24 recorded right here
on our houseboat at lake powellas promised as promised it's
going to take us a bit torelease it you know due to

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internet restraints but So wedid tote podcasting equipment
all the way to Lake Powell andback and did not use it.
And now we are back in thestudio in Boulder.
But let's start with that.
The whole company, not the wholecompany, two staff members chose
not to go, who we won't mentiontheir names on air, Lane and

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Ryan High.
And Tom.
And Tom.
Tom lives in Poland and he'sunder house arrest.
But he could have come.
He could have come.
If it was important, he wouldhave made it.
He just couldn't go back tohome.
He couldn't go back.
Very different.
We had a great time.
It was great.
And no major laws were broken,but there isn't a whole lot that

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we can talk about.
Other than we just had a greattime.
We did.
And I said this on...
So traveling with yourco-workers...
I think has a lot of potentialfor failure.
Yeah.
But our team travels together asit is.
Yeah, we're professionals attraveling together.

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And it worked out great.
Everybody did their share.
I probably did less because Ihurt myself.
Day one.
Day one, I bruised my heel orlost a leg or something.
And it went great.
And I said this as a joke, butit was so true.
On the last day, I said, man, itwas really great to have all you

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guys here.
And you guys kind of just lookedat me for the punchline.
And it was because I was like,because I didn't get any email
from you guys.
And that was, honestly, it wasthe slowest work week we've ever
had.
Yeah.
I think people actually listento the podcast.
They must.
They must.

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Yeah.
And we even got some emailsof...
people saying, can you do this?
And somebody else would be like,yeah, they're out of town.
They're not going to do thatthis week.
Yeah.
Like from their team.
Yeah.
Like, yeah, you can't botherthem.
So thank you to our customers.
I do not feel.
Even slightly refreshed.
No, I feel run down.

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Because the way we vacation isthe way we put on events and
it's full steam ahead.
And it was 103 degrees.
Yeah, the low at night was like85.
And so after like one or twonights, nobody slept inside the
houseboat.
Yeah.
Are you sure the low was even inthe 80s?
Yeah, I don't know.
Maybe 90s.
The houseboat was a hunk ofjunk.

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It was.
It was so awful.
Which worked out well.
It was perfect for us, honestly.
Because it would be like, hey,there's a fire, and somebody
would be like, I'll put it outwhen I'm done with this.
Yeah.
So we had a good time.
Back to work.
I mean, whiplash wasunderstatement when we came back

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on Thursday night.
back in the office on fridaygetting ready for a busy event
weekend and you guys went to sandiego yep we on saturday for the
business of running how was thatit was awesome honestly have
gone to like either attended orworked a bunch of conferences at

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this point and for me i'mcurious if dylan feels the same
way it's the best it's the bestconference there is It's
something special because itdoesn't feel like a bunch of
people talking at you.
It feels like the community ofrun race organizers getting
together and collectivelygetting better.

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Yeah, truly collaborating andsharing experiences to bring up,
you know, the new small guysand, you know, it's just like
you said, a community.
There were town hallconversations where truly
everyone in the room Wanted toput up their hand to talk talk
on the mic and share theirexperiences, which is incredible

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and a lot of stuff that likeHelped each other like you could
tell somebody had someone in theroom had the answer to any
Question that was asked becauseeveryone has had so much
experience and so much uniqueexperience that The one that
stands out is I can't rememberexactly what was said, but
someone asked a question aboutlike how to logistically do

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something.
And the flying pig marathon waslike, Hey, we've done that exact
thing.
Here's what we did.
And it's, it's just really coolto see that level of
collaboration from what are onpaper competitors coming
together collectively to makethe entire industry better.

UNKNOWN (04:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (04:55):
Yeah, I learned that from my business mentor a long
time ago.
He said, get to know all yourcompetitors here in Boulder.
This is back when we were an ITcompany.
Get to know all yourcompetitors.
Go out to lunch with them.
Be friends with them.
There's plenty of work to goaround.
And sure enough, one year we hada tough year, and our biggest
competitor gave us a ton ofwork.
And then when we closed the ITbusiness, we essentially gave

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him our business.
Yeah.
Yeah, no regrets.
So that's awesome.
I kind of wished I was therebecause you guys sounded like
you were having more fun than wewere here back at home.
And what a privilege to get togo.
I mean, people pay to go tothese things and we get paid to

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go to these things to do the AVand to coordinate and stuff like
that.
And it was super relevant andvaluable to us because we work
in that space.
We're not just the sound guy,which I am curious how many
people, like other than the onesthat we talked to, like the guy
from the flying pig that like,no, that we're not just like
some sound guys in black shirtsin the black corner, but like,

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no, no, we're like running spacepeople.
Yeah, well, I saw a photo of youguys with Ted Metellus, who's a
longtime friend.
And who are the two othergentlemen?
I can't remember.
Mike Nishi from the ChicagoMarathon and Jack Fleming from
Boston.
Yeah, so the three big, biggest.
They were on a panel, me andDylan.

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After it, everybody was kind ofclearing out, and we were like,
We need to get a photo withthem.
That's some of the mostimportant people in the running
space, and this is what we do.
Mike mentioned between the threeof them, they have 100 years of
experience.
Yeah.
I have known Ted since Istarted, and I was telling
Marcus this story.
I met Ted.
I don't really remember, but wewere in Lake Stevens,

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Washington.
We used to have an Ironman 70.3Lake Stevens there, and he was–
leaving another job and he wasdoing some IT work.
And I said, why would you wasteyour time with this if you're
already out?
And he said something that stuckwith me ever since then.
He said, I want to leave alegacy, not a scar.

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And I was like, wow.
And this was a job– I don'tthink he left on bad terms, but
I don't think it was his choice.
And to have that attitude that–and I've had that attitude when
we've had customers that itdidn't work out.
Like, here's all your footage.
Here's your projects.
Like, I'm not going to– there'snothing to be gained by holding
that over your head.
Although I would do it today.
My attitude's changed.

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I'd burn the bridge this time.
And you guys said the vibe wasamazing.
It was awesome.
Like, everything– you know, andthey do cool stuff like– They
rented out a bar and invitedeveryone, paid for everybody's
Ubers so that they could be safedrinking.
And it was like a game bar.

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So there was pinball machinesand arcades and all kinds of
stuff.
So it's like the vibe is notyou're at a conference.
The vibe is like these are yourcoworkers.
Let's go hang out.
The vibe is you're on ahouseboat in Lake Powell.
Yeah.
It's cool.
I think it's a good vibe becauseit's just like we've said, it's
a good community of people andthe running industry, I think,

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is in a good space right now.
Yeah, true.
It's evolving into somethingnewer, bigger, better was a big
talking point by a lot ofpeople.
Yeah.
New demographics coming into thescene or just evolving and a lot
of technology changing the spacein good ways.
Yeah, I mean, I think therunning industry is in a good

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space.
I think one of the mostinteresting things that was
talked about, and it's notsomething I had ever framed this
way in my head, but it was sucha good way of framing it, is AI
is coming.
There's nothing we can do aboutit.
It's going to help and hinderthings throughout.
We don't know how important it'sgoing to be.
We don't know what all it'sgoing to do.

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But because AI is getting to thepoint where it's hard to discern
reality from fiction with AIimages, AI songs, it's going to
be even more important to theseupcoming generations to find
real world spaces to hang outand to do activities.
Because if you're there, youknow it's real and it's tangible

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and it's actual humanconnection.
And that's going to be so muchmore important going forward
with the prevalence of AI.
And they talked a lot aboutthat.
And it is cool.
And you can kind of see that inthe trends.
In 2014 is whenever runningstarted to drop off.
It had kind of been in a surge.

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2014 was its highest year.
Kind of started to drop off.
Obviously, 2020, 2021 dropped.
tanked it, but not for anyreason other than you couldn't
go outside.
You can tell it's an outlier.
Exactly.
And now it's almost back to 2014levels and on the rise.
So they're projecting that if itcontinues to grow at this rate,

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next year, 2026 will be morepeople than 2014.
And I think we kind of knew thatjust from our little bit of
interaction with running racesthe boulder boulder was off the
charts this year and some of therock and roll marathons that
were a part of were were biggerthan usual totally so that's
good to know and go ahead it wasuh there was a like kind of the

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other little thing about thatwas someone made this uh like
out connection that we're inthis like uh new space of like
you said you know experiencesthat we've come a long way from
at the beginning we wereproducing races and then for a
while, like in the 2014 era, itwas, we're producing events, you

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know, but now today it's allabout that experience, that
human connection.
Yeah.
And so that's where those aregoing.
Like, and they talked about thislike Diplo run.
It was like a music festivalwith a 5k on the side and it's
exploding, uh, and totallychanging the game for like Gen
Z.
Yeah.
And yeah, it's called Diplo'sRun Club.
Run Club.

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Which I think is, it'sintentional framing of what it
is.
It's not, this is not a race.
This is, let's go have a 5K anda party.
Yeah.
Let's hang out.
And I could be wrong, but I'mpretty sure he runs.
Like I get, he puts on a run,but I think I remember seeing he
did the New York City Marathonor Half Marathon or something
like that.
Yeah, I believe that is correct.

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Yeah.
Cool.
Big thanks to Christine Bowen.
Yeah.
Because she was a client of ourswith another customer and took
her, took us with her to thisendeavor.
And I think we've talked aboutthis on the podcast.
We've really struggled to comeup with a mission or something
like that for our company.

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But what we do have is we wantto work for people that we
consider friends and we enjoy tobe around and we enjoy their
events.
And she fills that bill and thebusiness of running fills that
bill.
Well, and And I told them thisin person, too.
So Christine, Alex, Dave, allthe people from the ASICs apps,

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they're so awesome.
They brought us in and includeus as part of the team.
The way we work, the way we workeverywhere we go is we're part
of your team.
We're not the sound guys.
We're part of the team.
We're going to help however wecan.
And they feel the same way aboutus.
that we're part of their team.

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And that's huge.
That makes you want to go to batfor somebody and work even
harder.
Yeah.
And then I think you guys toldme that they were like, see you
next year.
Yes.
And man, does that go a longways when a customer tells you,
see you next year for an event,you put them on the schedule
with or without a contract andyou plan on being there.

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And sometimes it doesn't happen,but more times than not, It does
or it's outside their control.
Yeah.
And so looking forward to nextyear.
I said today we should intercepther and say, how about Boulder?
Yeah.
It's a great place to run.
Alex said they need to find aplace.
Yeah.
boulder boulder colorado thejulian hotel four blocks from

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the 500 cat studio so and thenwe have a whole list of things
to go through todaychronologically let's go back
while we were at lake powell waschallenge roth yeah and there
was at least two people that wehad a bunch of skin in the game
and one of them was bob getssome He's been a longtime fan.

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He was on episode one.
And his big goal was to get tochallenge and finish under 15
hours.
And unfortunately, it didn'thappen.
And he got yanked from the runcourse.
um mile seven or yeah somethinglike that so uh bob we love you
dude who cares like we i knowyou care bob but right um you're

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still like our hero and to gothrough what he's been through
he's been through an awfulhead-on car wreck that he
probably shouldn't have livedfrom and then came back to iron
man and triathlon and has donekona and then was like i'm gonna
do challenge so I assume thatstory's not over.
Oh, 100%.
With him, it never is.

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Well, and it's interestingbecause I read his post-race
report and it was like he swaman extra 0.7 miles.
That's a bad idea.
He was like, I don't know how Idid it.
It's a canal.
How did I do this?
And his whole recording is justzigzags all the way down the
canal.
And he was like, that justburned me.

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I had a bad day on the bike andthen got pulled mile seven on
the run.
So it's unfortunate.
Yeah, he's not the only otherone that had, according to her,
not me, had not a great race,was Laura Sadal.
And Laura's a co-worker and afriend, Springer Spaniel owner,
so that goes a long ways.

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And she's retiring, and it wasgoing to be her last race.
And we were lucky enough tocatch up with Laura and have a
chat with her.
All right, I'd like to welcomeour friend, first of all, and
pro athlete, Laura Sedalda, 500Cats.

SPEAKER_00 (15:21):
Thank you.
Thanks for having me here.

SPEAKER_01 (15:23):
Yeah, cool to have you here.
So if you don't know who Laurais, she's a pro triathlete, but
she's also a commentator forIronman.
And she was in the studiorecording the Athletic Brewing
Post Race Show, which she doesevery A day or two after each of
our shows, she comes in andrecords like a recap show.
So one of the things we learneda couple weeks ago is we have

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pros in our office every week tosnake them over for our podcast.
But she was nice enough.
You just came home fromChallenge Roth.

SPEAKER_00 (15:52):
I did, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (15:53):
And you didn't have the race you wanted, but you
said it was incredible.

SPEAKER_00 (15:56):
Yeah, it's...
For me, that race is like justthe best.
The whole...
event, the atmosphere, theVoltoffer family who run it.
And it's just got bigger andbigger.
And I hadn't been there for,well, it was my sixth time
racing and my ninth time inRoth.
But I missed, I wasn't therelast year.
So I go back this year and itjust boomed again, like the expo

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looked like it was on steroids.
So yeah, I didn't have the raceI wanted.
But you know, that's kind ofsport, but the whole week and
atmosphere and, you know, eventhe finish line, I had a great
Great finish line and the partygoes on into the evening and the
flames and fireworks and lasershow.
And yeah, it's a pretty uniquespecial race.

SPEAKER_01 (16:39):
And you chose that race intentionally because
you...
And that's one of the things Iwant to talk about.
You're retiring.

SPEAKER_03 (16:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (16:46):
From pro sports.
And you chose that.
And I think you said to me, andI don't want to put words in
your mouth, but you would haveliked it to be Kona.

SPEAKER_03 (16:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (16:55):
But...
Roth wasn't, not necessarilylike a second choice, but it was
one of those two.
And so you chose Roth.

SPEAKER_00 (17:02):
Yeah, like Roth is the first race that goes in my
calendar every year.
And it has been since the firsttime I did it in 2016.
And I've had a rough couple ofyears, so I've not raced that
much with various sort ofinjuries and health problems.
But I wanted to go out on myterms.
So this year was about trying toget back to racing.
And...

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Yeah, the fairy tale year was todo Roth in the middle of the
year, but to have alreadyqualified for Kona for one last
time.
It's all women's day in Konathis year, and it would have
been great to kind of finish outalso sort of the calendar year
and have that in Kona.
But I realized pretty early onin the year that it was going to

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be a big ask to get an Ironmandone and to get that
qualification.
I am...
older than most of the womenracing these days I've certainly
found it a struggle to get backto the level I used to be and
part of that is the last fewyears part of that is just age
catching up and the way thesport is going it's just getting
faster and faster um so I justdecided that I think Roth is

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actually that's the race thatprobably means the most to me
and it just then made sense togo okay let's just make that the
that the last one and have thefinal fling

SPEAKER_01 (18:17):
Tell us about the end that, you know, there had to
be, there's the carpet, there'sthe finish, there's after the
race.
Like tell us like the emotionsand stuff.

SPEAKER_00 (18:28):
So because it wasn't a great day, it was then kind of
like a real struggle to getround.
It wasn't, you know, you'retrying to enjoy it and take it
all in.
But when you're reallystruggling to put one foot in
front of the other on themarathon, it's hard work.
And I kind of knew it was goingto be a long day.
But yeah, I was determined toget to the finish line.
There was no plan B.

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There wasn't an option for menot to finish.
And, you know, Roth, as I said,I've been there for nine years.
I have such good relationshipswith the whole team there.
And they all came out to see mefinish.
And whilst I was way behind thewinner and, yeah, a fair bit

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down, they'd all...
Waited around and Roth has atradition as well.
The champions get kids withballoons following down.
Well, they got kids withballoons for me.
They gave me a big welcome, gotthe stadium all standing
ovation.
All the team were down at thefinish line.
Alice gave me the medal, whichis the mum of Felix and

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Catherine, who it is theirevent.
And just so many friends andfamiliar faces.
And then when the evening sortof entertainment starts, the
finish line party and it'sgetting dark, but there's lasers
and flames and DJs and it's justthis big pumping stadium.

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And you've obviously got themajority of athletes finishing
at that time.
Yeah, they called me up intothis.
They've got a stage in themiddle of the stadium.
They called me up there,presented me with a gift and
they'd put a, compilation ofimages and stuff up on the big
screen so yeah it was it waspretty special

SPEAKER_01 (20:14):
nice wow it sounds amazing what makes Roth so
special I know why it's specialfor you and you kind of nailed
it but in long distance or fulldistance triathlon it really is
two races it's Iron Man andKona, the Iron Man World
Championships and Kyle Okona andRoth.

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What makes Roth...
How does Roth measure up?
We know it does.
Yeah.
But what makes it sooutrageously popular?
I

SPEAKER_00 (20:42):
think it's just...
It's a family atmosphere, whichis crazy because it's this
family that have created andbuilt this.
But it is a huge race.
And I think the people as wellare a huge part of that.
You have...
7,000 volunteers.
There's a wait list forvolunteers.
There's local regions in thearea that are emailing Felix

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saying, can you change the bikecourse and the run course so it
comes through our town?
Because we want to be out theresupporting.
And you've got generations, likethere's adults now that first
watched the race as kids andhave grown up, like their
parents volunteered or wereinvolved in the organization.
And now, and they have been askids and now they're adults and
their kids are all involved.
It's just this all-encompassing,incredible relationships with

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the whole region.
You genuinely feel so welcome tobe there.
And there are some, you know,Kona has some, and I understand
why Kona is special, and I thinkthey're just different.
Roth, you know, it's iconic, theswim star in the canal, the mist
is coming off, the cannon fires,there's hot air balloons rising

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up in this little, you know,German church.
Solara Berg hill on the bikecourse is the closest a
triathlete will get to ridingthe Tour de France up a hill.
It's packed with crowds.
You can't see the road.
You sort of come around thissweeping bend and you look ahead
and it's just a sea of people.
And you're like, where the helldo I go?

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But as you get closer, they justpart and you have this narrow
single track up.
Like the tour.
Like the tour, exactly.
Like you see all the famousclimbs.
And then I think like the finishline stadium, there's no other
race that has a finish in astadium, which is just pumping
as a party goes on and on andon.
And I just think, obviouslyRoth, you know, Kona has the

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world championship title and itmeans so much to people.
And I totally understand that.
And it's the history of thesports.
And there's, you know, the magicof being down at Digby Beach and
then the just barrenness of thelava fields.
And Roth is just this totallydifferent atmosphere.
And it's a region that just,loves the sport and people come
out in their thousands and thenyou get people camping overnight

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to get a slot the next year it'syeah it's just crazy

SPEAKER_01 (22:58):
wow it you it looks awesome but you make it sound
awesome you describe it well soretirement is it scary

SPEAKER_00 (23:07):
yes yeah it's a little I mean obviously I've
been I've been thinking about itit's not a complete out the blue
but it's And I've been thinkingabout it for quite a few years,
like what is the plan after?
But it's also then hard in thislast few months, I found it hard
to do too much afterwardsbecause it was taking so much

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energy just to get to the race.
But yeah, I mean, obviously,I've been having lots of
conversations with people, whichhas been really good, just to
try and get a gauge on whatcould be good, what could be out
there.
I would love to stay in thesport in some way.
That would be my passion.
And, you know, I have workedcorporate before.

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I spent seven, eight years,probably 10 years in the
corporate world before I thendid full-time athlete.
So I know what it's like.
I'm not sure I want to go backto the nine to five, having for
the last 10 years lived my lifeof, yeah, my own plan.
But yeah, it's scary, but it'sexciting, I think, because
there's opportunity as well.

SPEAKER_01 (24:13):
Yeah, and...
you know this, you just said it,but being able to look at
something and saying there'sopportunity here, as much as it
sounds scary, because theprofession I'm in doesn't have
anything to do with my physicalskills.

SPEAKER_03 (24:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (24:28):
You know, it's, so I probably have years left, and
like you said, we are gettingolder, but the sport's getting
crazy fast.
Yeah.
And so there's this pressurethat maybe wasn't there 10 years
ago.
Maybe it was, and I didn'tnotice it or something.

UNKNOWN (24:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (24:44):
What's next?

SPEAKER_00 (24:46):
I mean, I've been back a week, so it's just a bit
of decompressing.
I seem to be busy looking aftereveryone's dogs, but that's
fine.
And you've

SPEAKER_01 (24:56):
got a Springer

SPEAKER_00 (24:56):
Spaniel.
And I've got a Springer Spaniel.
So they've, to be fair, theylooked after him for the last
two weeks.
So the people on the podcast

SPEAKER_01 (25:02):
know that we have a...
Cocker Spaniel because they comein the studio and bark.
And if you noticed when werecorded your segment, the door
was closed.
But now we're doing 500 cats.
The dogs can come in the studio.
So Springer Spaniel owner, sothat gives you some

SPEAKER_00 (25:15):
extra credit.
So that, I mean, I hope, he's 11months now.
So I hope like when he getsolder, we can do adventures and
stuff like that together.
Coru.

SPEAKER_01 (25:23):
Kauru.

SPEAKER_00 (25:24):
Kauru.
K-O-R-U.
It's a Maori New Zealand name.
Nice.
I did spend some time there.

SPEAKER_01 (25:30):
And obviously, New Zealand and Australia are
special.
Yeah.
Because you've had quite acareer.
You won Ironman Australia fouror five times?

SPEAKER_00 (25:38):
Three times.
Three times.
But New Zealand once as well.
Yeah.
And you've had a

SPEAKER_01 (25:42):
very storied career.

SPEAKER_00 (25:44):
Yeah.
Like, I think this next fewweeks, months, it's trying to
take that all in and appreciatethat.
Because I think at the time whenyou're in it and with athletes,
as soon as you've raced, you'resort of almost on to the next
race and how can you be betterand you've torn that one to
bits.

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So it's kind of trying to lookback on what I've done and what
I've achieved and think of allthe good memories.
I would never have dreamt as akid I would be a professional
athlete and living in Australia,New Zealand, out here in Collet,
Boulder and stuff like that.
So...
Just trying to take that momentto appreciate it before sort of,

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yeah.
Because I probably didn't givemyself credit.
I don't think we ever do whilstyou're in it.

SPEAKER_01 (26:32):
I don't see how you guys could give yourself credit
or after winning Australia, youqualify for Kona and then now
your life is focused on Kona.

SPEAKER_03 (26:42):
Yeah,

SPEAKER_01 (26:43):
exactly.
And so it never stops for youguys.
And just doing a single Ironmanand it burning six months of my
life to think of doing that Forhow many years?
I saw the results on the web goback to like 2012.

SPEAKER_00 (26:57):
Yeah, yeah.
I started triathlon as acomplete beginner 2009.
So age 29 as well.
So a little bit older than mostathletes.
And then did four or five yearsas an age grouper.
I should say amateur.
And then in 2014, I think,turned professional.

SPEAKER_01 (27:16):
Nice.

SPEAKER_00 (27:16):
Which, again, at the age of like 33, 34, went most...
athletes are retiring fromprofessional sport and I'm just
starting my journey.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_01 (27:25):
and then had a great career after that.

SPEAKER_00 (27:27):
Yeah, it's been amazing.
And then I think when I movedto, well, when I joined Julie
Dibbons out here in Colorado,she gave me almost like a second
lease of life in triathlon.
I think before, with my previouscoach, and we split on very good
terms, he was what I needed atthe start.

(27:48):
But I almost was thinking aboutretirement back then because I
was approaching 40 and that waslike, oh, we all retire at 40.
And then moved to Julie and shejust gave me this new belief in
what I could achieve.
And we had some, we had a 2020,we obviously went through COVID,
but then 2022, I came two toptens in the Ironman World

(28:08):
Championships.
And I never would have dreamt Iwould have got one top 10, let
alone two in the same year.
And then, you know, going into2020, The next year, in 2023, I
was probably in the fittest ofmy life.
And then unfortunately, I'm inBrazil, got hit by a car.
And I think just since then,everything else has sort of

(28:30):
caught up and it's been harderto get back.
I think if I'd have, you know,got through Brazil, I think
momentum and I still felt I wasgetting better and I still felt
we had things we could improve.
But I think that kind of wasa...
okay, and then everything's justbeen harder to get back and
everything catches up on you.
It was almost like I was holdingoff age until then and then it

(28:51):
all sort of went back.
Oh, you were.

SPEAKER_01 (28:52):
I mean, you had great results later than a lot
of people do.
So what, if you look at yourcareer, what was the worst race?
What was the worst experience orworst race?
It could have been the positionyou finished in or it could have
just been emotionally the worstrace.

SPEAKER_00 (29:10):
I think there were some races when I was very new
into triathlon as a professionalin a career and I was still sort
of learning how to race theIronman but they're so long ago
I've probably like dismissedthem unfortunately the worst
race performance wise wasactually the last one here in
Roth just now which is it's kindof being bittersweet because

(29:31):
like you just the race means alot to me and I trained as hard
as I could and yeah I wasn'tgoing to win we knew that but I
still felt I could have a decentrace and you kind of you always
want to have a good race therejust to give back to everybody
and also being the last race.
But I just think it was kind ofprobably mind and body just

(29:52):
saying, yep, you've had a goodrun, but this is one race too
far and we'll get round it andwe'll get to the finish.
But kind of that's it.
But I've never been, I've beenreally lucky in my career.
I've never been completelyhumbled by the marathon.
I've always kind of got through,but This time in Roth, it was

(30:13):
really like down to walkingthose aid stations and giving
myself a talking to at times andbeing in some pretty bleak
places.

SPEAKER_01 (30:22):
But you finished.

SPEAKER_00 (30:23):
But I finished.
That was the goal.
The goal was to get to thefinish line, so yeah.
And they gave me a greatsend-off, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (30:28):
What was the best race in your career?

SPEAKER_00 (30:31):
Ooh, the best race.
I would say, well, I came secondat Roth twice, so...
to the then current worldchampion.
So I think probably the Rothrace that means the most was in
2021.
So we'd missed the COVID year.
And then in 2021, it had movedfrom July where it normally is

(30:53):
to September.
And I was a reserve guide forBritish Paralympic triathlon
team.
So I was actually out in Tokyothe week leading into Roth and
then flew straight to Roth inAnd so I was fairly sort of
unsure where I was at in formand came away with second, which
was probably a huge highlight.

(31:14):
But I mean, I can't probablysplit up, you know, every win
you're just grateful for becausethey don't, well, for me, they
don't come around that often.
So like the first time I wonIronman Australia was definitely
special.
I started triathlon inAustralia.
So sort of having the first winthere and a lot of friends had
come to watch.

(31:35):
You know, that second year whereI went back and I was given the
number one bib, which is notvery common for the women.
You know, that's really special.
And then I won in the third yearin a row.
I'd come into the race with somereal difficult months of
training.
So it was an incredible feelingto get that win.
And then, you know, that sameyear or 2018, I then won Ironman

(31:59):
New Zealand as well.
And that was incredibly specialand such a high because I spent
six months of the year in NewZealand every summer sort of
thing.
So, yeah, it's hard to pull outone race.
Those wins have got, yeah,special memories.

SPEAKER_01 (32:14):
Are you going to stay in Boulder?

SPEAKER_00 (32:16):
Yes, as long as my visas and things work out.
Yeah, things have

SPEAKER_01 (32:21):
changed in the States,

SPEAKER_00 (32:22):
which is what we hope you do.
Yeah, that's the short,long-term plan, I should say.
I love being here and being ableto, like, I'm looking forward to
exploring the mountains and...
Still running and riding andprobably some swimming just to
keep fitness and exercising andmovement because it's such a
part of our lives that we wantto keep doing it.

(32:43):
But yeah, maybe not as muchstructure.

SPEAKER_01 (32:46):
Last question since we just sidetracked you into the
500 Cats podcast.
Is there somebody you want tothank or, and maybe it's two
things, somebody you want tothank and something you want to
point out that helped make yousuccessful or is it all one
thing?

SPEAKER_00 (33:02):
Gosh.
I

SPEAKER_01 (33:04):
mean, you mentioned Julie Dibbins.

SPEAKER_00 (33:05):
Yeah, I mean, and I just posted actually today, like
a massive thank you to her.
Like I said, she kind of gave mea second lease of life to my
career.
And also since that accident inBrazil, she's been an absolute
rock to me.
And I know it's been hard forher at times.
So I think like she's got methrough everything.

(33:28):
a lot the last few years and gotthe results we have.

SPEAKER_01 (33:31):
She's everything she's cracked up to

SPEAKER_00 (33:33):
be.
She is.
She's one of the most underratedcoaches.

SPEAKER_01 (33:37):
And it's funny when you say underrated, but they
coach world champions.

SPEAKER_00 (33:40):
Yeah.
But

SPEAKER_01 (33:42):
that's, you're right.
There's certain bands that youcan say, you know, they're
underrated, but they're like,hey, they're one of the best
bands in the world.
They're better than that.

SPEAKER_00 (33:50):
She doesn't like the limelight.
She doesn't.
She hates, you know, she'll hateanybody talking about her or
anybody you know, try and gether on a podcast and good luck
sort of thing.

SPEAKER_01 (34:00):
She's only been in the studio once or twice in all
our years.
Yeah.
Which is amazing to

SPEAKER_00 (34:05):
me.
That's, yeah.
But she's, when she does speak,she's got so much knowledge and
experience.
Incredible.
And I think she's the best coachI've had contact with in
triathlon.
And I just think, yeah, notenough people realize how good
she is.
Yeah.
So it would be a massiveprobably thank you to her and

(34:27):
her dog Dakota because Dakotagot me through a lot of dark
times and the reason why I gotmy dog.
But, you know, yeah, thank you.
And she

SPEAKER_01 (34:35):
has like a Springer thing

SPEAKER_00 (34:36):
too.
He's a small Munsterlander.
Which is some kind of Spaniel.
Which is very, very similar to aSpringer Spaniel.
I saw her out at the res.
I was

SPEAKER_01 (34:43):
riding my bike.
We just passed each other, butshe had her dog.
Interesting.
Well, yeah.
And just on everybody thatlistens to the podcast knows we
do video and we interviewpeople.
She's turned me down.
Not that many times because Istopped asking.

SPEAKER_04 (34:57):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (34:58):
Like she's standing there in Boulder at the race
doing absolutely nothing.
Can I get a soundbite?
And she's very polite.
I'd rather not.

SPEAKER_00 (35:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (35:05):
And then now I just say hi.

SPEAKER_00 (35:06):
Yeah, yeah.
And you know, she's great whenshe says stuff.
She's great either way.
She just does not like that kindof attention and focus.
But yeah, she's...

SPEAKER_01 (35:15):
She's modest.

SPEAKER_00 (35:16):
Yeah, yeah.
But she's been amazing.
And I mean, gosh, I could list awhole host of people and family.
So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (35:23):
Awesome.
We've loved working with you.
I remember when we first metyou, you came into the studio.
I think it was maybe 2019 forIronman New Zealand.

SPEAKER_00 (35:31):
Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 (35:32):
And we were like, my attitude's changed a little bit
on pros.
The last thing we need is a proin the studio watching us do our
thing.
And we struck up a conversation.
And without me asking, you saidhow important the volunteers
are.
And I said, yeah.

UNKNOWN (35:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (35:48):
She's

SPEAKER_01 (35:48):
all right.

SPEAKER_03 (35:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (35:50):
It's been great working with you.
You're not retired to me becausewe have a athletic brewing
post-race show next week torecord after Ironman Lake
Placid.
So thanks for giving us yourtime.
I know you didn't plan on ittoday.

SPEAKER_00 (36:02):
No, thank you.
It's been great to catch up.

SPEAKER_01 (36:04):
Good luck.

SPEAKER_00 (36:05):
Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 (36:05):
See ya.
I like her.
Yeah, Laura's amazing.
I work with her like mepersonally work with her once a
week.
As we mentioned, we do theathletic brewing post-race show.
So she's here once a week and weget to catch up.
And I've mentioned it before.
She values my opinion.
Do I need my opinion valued?

(36:30):
Probably.
But it goes a long ways.
Yeah.
And especially when you'retalking to a professional
triathlete and you're like, Ithink this.
And they say, oh, you know,that's interesting and consider
this and that.
And so I like that.
And so kudos to her.
And as we mentioned, she's partof our team and stuff.

(36:50):
100%.
Moving on.
So we started with Lake Powell.
Then we went to Business ofRunning.
Then we went back to while wewere at Lake Powell, Roth.
And then back to this pastweekend, we broadcast Ironman
70.3 Swansea.
It was rough.

(37:12):
Yeah.
Yeah.
We had technical issues on ourend.
Oh, right.
And they aren't typically on ourend.
And here's how you know whenyou're having technical issues.
is when ESPN calls you on thephone.
You know, that is a prettyindicative sign.
And when we're...

(37:32):
It's at the very beginning ofthe broadcast, so nobody missed
any racing, but we're having anaudio problem.
And these guys are real pros.
But it comes up on my phone asESPN, Bristol, Connecticut.
And they don't call to say, goodjob.
And I don't mean that in a badway.
But that's just not what they'rethere to do.
We did get it fixed, but we hadto reboot a piece of equipment

(37:54):
during the show.
It was during the pre-show, butnevertheless, it's during the
show.
And it's just rough.
Like that gets you started offrattled, throwing an
interception in the firstquarter.
Starts off on the back foot.
And all in all, from the viewerstandpoint, I think the show
went well, but internally it wasjust a nonstop battle on little

(38:16):
technical gremlins.
And we did something different.
We had two of our hosts were inthe field and So we had Matt
Lieto here in the studio.
Matt does a great job as always.
And then we had Joe Skipper andFraser Cartmel in Swansea on a
live view pack.
And they did great.
Everybody did great.

(38:37):
But it took a while to get thatinteraction between our hosts
here in Boulder, communicatingwith our hosts in the field and
have it be smooth and have themnot talk on top of each other.
And one thing is, We were like,let's not set up this remote
broadcasting area near thespeakers.

(38:57):
And in the very opening scene,there's like a scaffold with
like towered speakers, likeawesome, right there.
Like they're tent covering partof it.
And so to get a little techie,there's a feature on the
TriCaster that's called voiceisolation where it knocks out
background noise and itliterally doesn't work.

(39:18):
But it was so bad, I had to giveit a try and it worked great.
It was a silver bullet.
So it works whenever it's theworst conditions possible.
Whenever it's really, reallybad, it works.
But if you're just doing like acorporate AV and you want to cut
out that room noise, it doesn'twork.
But if you have a hundredthousand dollar PA pointing at

(39:41):
your, it knocked that stuffright out.
And then we got to the end.
where they weren't near a PA.
And I was like, oh, I'm going toturn this off just to see how
much different.
And I was like, nope.
And so that was a rough one.
I'm glad to move on fromSwansea.
But again, if you go watch thebroadcaster stuff, you won't
notice a lot of that stuffunless you're in South America.

(40:03):
How did the event actually look?
Amazing.
Whales and...
Bluebird Day.
Nice.
Great race.
Great racing.
Our partner on the ground...
ASO, Let's See TV killed it.
They did a great job.
We were told we were going tohave sell issues, and they
didn't really have sell issues.

(40:23):
And from an athlete standpoint,nobody talked about last year's
winner, Harry Palmer, until hewas in the lead and won.
And credit to the hosts, theyadmitted it.
They were like, man, none of uscalled this guy, and we should
have.
And then Cat Matthews just didwhat Cat Matthews does.
she didn't have a great swimcame out a couple minutes down

(40:47):
and i don't think anybody wasworried even though there was a
decent field and she movedthrough the field on the bike
into the lead and then neverlooked back yeah so um she's
incredible i saw like one of thebig story points was the the
third place female it was likedaniella kleiser kleiser crazy
yeah and like the in the propress conference, she's like,

(41:09):
I'm going to do a three 15kilometer run pace.
And everyone's like, okay.
And she basically did.
It was like three 30.
I checked it out.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
And Kat was like, bring it.
If she could get her swim andher bike tightened up, uh, she's
going to be dangerous.
Yeah.
I mean, as soon as that comestogether, she's going to be a

(41:30):
world 70.3 world champcontender.
Yeah.
Because of that run.
And yeah, they look good.
And then, uh, One last thing,going all the way back to Lake
Powell, we did get very fewemails, but one of them was
like, hey, we want to do a fourbox.
Yeah.
And we're on the lake, ofcourse, just minding our own
business, nothing else.

(41:50):
And while we're at the lake, wecreated a four box, sent it off
to our partner in Europe.
And then the four box came upduring the broadcast and looked
great.
Yeah.
I was impressed.
And then some other people inthe industry said like our
petition is what made thishappen.
And And so now it's gone.
It wasn't the petition.
It was the, it was the guys atLake Powell and Tom and Tom.

(42:13):
So yeah, just sitting, sittingon a lake and nothing but a
swimsuit.
And what a bad coincidence thatI heard that challenge had done
it.
Roth had done it a few daysearlier, but we were in, we
didn't get to see it.
Yeah.
But then everybody's like, youguys just copied these guys.
Apparently we did.
Yeah.
So, so kudos.
We're second.

(42:33):
Great minds think alike.
Yeah.
So anyway, we had a couple otherraces last weekend.
Muscleman, I heard everythingwent well there.
And then Muncie, Ironman 70.3Muncie, and our good friend
Corey was our representative.
Corey and Eric from our teamwere there, and Corey called me
and he said, you know, thismight be our best event.
And I agree.
Muncie loves Ironman, and it'sjust the coolest laid back.

(42:59):
If you're looking for a good...
A good event from any level, butespecially if you're a
first-timer.
Yeah.
Amazing event.
And then the last thing aboutlast weekend is every single
team's flights were messed up.
Every single one.
Dude, it was insane.
Even you guys coming home fromthe business of running got
home.
Our two-hour flight was sixhours?

(43:20):
Yeah.
On the plane.
We were on the plane the wholesix hours.
And then we had to leave a guyin muscle man because he needed
to be at Lake Placid and hewasn't going to get home in
time.
He wasn't going to get home inenough time to go home and sleep
and get up and go back to theairport, which we probably
should have just left him therein the first place.
Right.
But Michael LaFiles stayed inMuscleman.

(43:41):
And then big thanks to Miguel,who works for Ironman.
I think Sight.
I'll be honest.
I don't know if I've met him.
Gave him a ride to Placid.
Nice.
And then those guys go intoPlacid, which is this coming
weekend.
Their flight was messed up.
So luckily...
Michael LaFiles got thereearlier in the day to start

(44:04):
getting things set up becausethe rest of the team came in in
the middle of the night.
That's crazy.
Every flight.
My bag got broken.
Yeah.
And fortunately, it's an Ospreybag, so they're probably going
to fix it for you.
Yeah.
The airline isn't.
No.
What did they offer you?
They offered me a Samsonite.

(44:27):
that they stole from someone.
I hear that's good stuff.
Is that on par with Osprey?
Not even close.
You can get this stuff at likeWalmart.
Yeah, Samsonite's a good Walmartbrand for sure.
I have an Osprey bag and there'slots of good, I like the kind
and North Face and stuff, but Ihave an Osprey backpack that's
now like five years old andstill looks new.

(44:48):
Yeah.
And my mom just recently had onefor 20, I didn't even know they
were around 25 years ago.
And she sent it back to see ifthey could fix a pocket.
And they just said, we can't,here's a new one.
Awesome.
I'd be interested to see ifthere's a way to find out how
many miles this bag has gonethrough.
It's gone around the world.
I mean, almost 10 timesprobably.
And, you know, with my wholecareer at this job, so like

(45:11):
seven years of, that's just,it's like other than just they
rip the zipper open.
Like it's like it dragged onlike a corner and it like cut
the bag at the zipper.
Yeah.
Other than that, it still worksgreat.
Like you could probably look atyour mileage for United and then
add like 25% because we have,and then we drive sometimes too.
So true.

(45:32):
Well, and it was, it was my wifeKate's before we even met each
other and she took it to Kenya acouple of times and Hawaii a few
times.
And yeah, it's a, it'd also beinteresting to see how many
places it's been.

SPEAKER_04 (45:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (45:44):
Even, even outside of mileage.
Yeah.
Yeah, Osprey, man.
I'll be a customer for life.
That's for sure.
I think we joke about beingprofessional travelers, but it
does matter.
It does.
And I think it really showedwhen we went to Lake Powell that
everybody was professionaltravelers.
And from an operationalstandpoint, besides breaking the

(46:04):
boat, everything went reallysmooth.
But getting a good backpack andgood luggage, something that...
I don't really care if it haswheels, although I did migrate
to wheels a couple years ago,because those usually break, but
I got a DeKine suitcase and thewheels haven't broken yet, but
getting the right travel gear itdoesn't have to be expensive

(46:26):
right but it has to be somethingmade to last yeah that's what's
so hard which is expensive yeahnot the samsonite hard shells
you gotta the issue is to getsomething that lasts you do have
to it does have a price tag onit and yeah you can go to
walmart and buy the duffelthat's 50 bucks but you might
have to buy another one in acouple days or you can spend 200

(46:47):
right now and not buy anotherone for five years I will just
disagree a skosh on the Walmartside of things that in Kona, I
bought that green militarylooking backpack like 10 years
ago.
And it's like my third stringbackpack.
I take it to like Red Rocks whenI will be okay if it doesn't

(47:08):
make it home.
And that thing just keeps onticking.
And it's hard to tell at Walmartwhere did they suck the life out
of the company and where didthey– Because they sell like
these great Realtree fishingshirts for 20 bucks that are
usually like 85 bucks.
Yeah.
So who knows?
I bought a duffel.

(47:28):
That was a real worldexperience.
I bought a big duffel going toFlorida last year because I was
bringing your skateboard.
And so I was like, I needanother bag.
Anyway, I need a big one.
And so I got one that would fitthe skateboard.
And it had like a pocketunderneath that was zippered.
I was like, this is perfect.
And I did it.
And it came off of the plane.

(47:50):
And the zipper was open.
And my stuff was spilling out.
And I shoved it back in.
Everything made it.
But it's just on the ride up.
The zipper just opened.
All right.
So, buy the right stuff.
Buy the right stuff.
Next subject, the tour.
We...
We took a Starlink to LakePowell so we could keep up on

(48:12):
work, but so we could watch thetour.
So we watched the tour everyday.
Every morning.
Even down in like slot canyons.
Yeah.
The Starlink worked.
The one time we were in a slotcanyon, it would buffer every
few minutes.
So it wasn't like perfect, butit was in a place where there
was absolutely no cell service,absolutely no nothing, and the

(48:33):
Starlink worked.
Yeah, it was awesome.
We were basically parked underan overhang like– The direct
view of the sky was, like, youknow, perfectly straight up from
us was not direct view of thesky.
Right.
No, 100%.
We were in a cave almost.
And there was that cool, like,iron oxide mark on the wall.

(48:53):
Yeah, where the water spillsdown.
And, yeah, it was spectaculargetting to watch the tour.
But, you know, one of the thingsI've taken away– so I've loved
watching the tour.
Kudos to– All the athletes.
It's just wildly exciting.
And this is going to be a hottake.
If we had a YouTube commentssection, this would light it up.
They would blow up over this.

(49:15):
I like American unsupportedcycling better than I like you
have nine bikes today, and ifyou don't break all nine of
them, you'll finish the race.
Yeah.
Because it seems like– and I getit.
This is just the nature of thebeast– But it seems like money,

(49:36):
I get it.
The NFL, all major sports arethis way, but money has a big
direction in how successful youare.
And not take it away from TadejPogacar, who looks like he might
win the tour again, although helost the jersey yesterday and
didn't get it back again todayand had a wreck, but got back up

(49:59):
on his bike and kept going anddidn't give up really any time.
But I just, you know, we startedcovering American cycling and
there's no support cars.
You're out there on your own.
If you break down, you kind ofgot to fix yourself and get back
going.
And essentially American cyclingis gravel.

(50:20):
Like the road stuff isn't takingoff as much as we all wish it
would.
Except, I mean, I don't want toleave anybody out, but Levi's
race was wildly successful.
Levi's Gran Fondo.
But gravel is kind of Americancycling.
And Levi's Gran Fondo was, eventhough it was on paved roads
most of the way, it was kind oflike a gravel race.
With all the gravel athletes.

(50:41):
With all the gravel athletes.
And some sections that were justgravel.
Those are just California roads.
So I personally love watchingthe tour, but I think...
trying to compare Americancycling to the rest of the world
is probably never going tohappen.

(51:02):
I don't know that we're evergoing to see that kind of
cycling come back to the Statesbecause it's so much more
popular everywhere else than itis in the States.
But I kind of liked the way wedo it.
Do you think Keegan would standa chance in the tour?
I don't know.
I'd like to ask him that.
I mean, he's like one of thebest on what we're calling
American cycling.

(51:22):
And unfortunately we, I don'tknow where you could compare his
results to, you know, MatteoJorgensen, who's in fifth right
now in the tour overall, whichis amazing.
You do not usually see a U.S.
flag in the top ten very often.
Right, yeah.
And you do now.
So kudos to him and all of them.

(51:44):
They're all having a great race,and I can't wait to see what
Sepp Kuss is going to do in themountains because he was out
injured.
Oh, yeah.
And so anyway, I love cycling,period, but I love— I do love
the way we do it, and a lot ofpeople don't.
I think it's so interestingbecause looking at it with
support versus not support,strategy is so interesting how

(52:08):
different it is.
Like Pogacar, sorry, Pogacar.
You can call him Pogacar.
Pogacar.
Pogacar.
He's such an amazing cyclist.
And his strategy has to focus onbeing the best cyclist.
And then there's a support carright there if something else

(52:29):
goes wrong.
They can fix it.
They can put him back on a newbike.
They can hand him a waterbottle, et cetera, et cetera.
Keegan has to do all of that onhis own, more or less.
Yes, there's an aid stationsomewhere in the 200 miles.
But if he goes down, like hewent down in Unbound, you got to
get back on and keep going.

(52:49):
Yeah, and there's no team carand stuff.
No team car.
No one's going to help you.
No one's going to stop if youfell and had a boo-boo, you
know.
It's interesting to watch theway the strategy has to play out
differently when you're notsupported.
That's kind of why I askbecause, you know, they're
arguably different enough sportsthat, like, can you really

(53:10):
compare Pagaccia and Keegan?
I don't think you can.
It's hard.
You'd have to see them at thesame time.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Yeah, it'd be interesting justfrom a mechanical perspective.
Again, there's no YouTubecomments, so just save it.
But I'm guessing a lot of theseU.S.
cyclists are better at fixingtheir bikes because they have

(53:32):
to.
Yeah, I would agree with that.
They don't have mechanics.
They practice it and do itthemselves.
Even like, yeah, they have teamsand sponsors, but I would wager
a guess that when Keegan is outon a training ride– on the
weekend and like he carriesstuff with him and fixes his own
flats and training and I thinkhe's probably like a cyclist

(53:55):
like we are and goes out andrides by himself and it's just
probably just different.
Yeah.
And one last thing where I'mgoing to give U.S.
cycling props is in the U.S.
women cycling and men's cyclingare closer to popularity than
they are on the global scale.

(54:16):
Yeah.
That when you go to Europe, yes,they have the tour de France
femmes and stuff like that.
And which is amazing.
And I watched that also, but inthe U S like in Levi's or sea
otter unbound, They're on equalplatform, equal pay.
Yeah.
And I don't know about for theirsponsorship, but prize money.

(54:38):
Yes.
And that's not the caseeverywhere else in the world.
So I think one thing U.S.
cycling has done a great job atis leveling the field.
Totally.
Between men and women cyclingbecause we just talked about
Keegan and all these men, butthere's all these amazing women
cyclists.
One of them we're going to be–Following this weekend, Lauren

(55:00):
Stevens is doing the Foco Fondo.
And we're going to be part of arace in Fort Collins this
weekend called Foco Fondo.
And we're going to be doingsomething that, for lack of a
better term, would be calledlike broadcast light.
That, you know, it's four orfive cameras rather than ten.
and a single commentator, andwe're doing it from a van on

(55:22):
site, and we're doing a cloudproduction, which is scary.
Dude, I'm so nervous.
I know I can do it.
It's just, I'm just nervous.
It'll be our first time doing afull cloud not coming through
Boulder.
Yeah, and I think it'll all workout.
And I think expectations aren'tthe same of having a zillion

(55:46):
person crew that it's different.
Yeah, totally.
So a huge weekend coming up,moving on from American Cycling.
You guys will be part ofAmerican Cycling at the Foco
Fondo, and that's in FortCollins, Colorado.
And we've got a great team,professional moto drivers,
professional cameramen.
And then also we have IronmanLake Placid, which is kind of,

(56:09):
you could say it's the big showin North America.
I mean, I think Texas is alsothe big show in North America,
but incredibly deep field.
Yeah.
extremely difficult venuebecause of the ruralness of the
Adirondack Mountains.
And we did a camera test lastweek with Starlink and it was a
million times better.
A million times better.
This might be the first time wesee Placid live, like

(56:32):
legitimately.
Yeah, true.
Maybe.
Maybe.
I mean, no promises, but maybe.
Yeah, you never know.
It's like when you start puttingfive Starlinks out on course and
motos and batteries and blah,blah, blah.
It's a lot of work.
So I'm looking forward to that.
And that's coming through thestudio here in Boulder.
And that's always fun.

(56:53):
Yeah.
Scary.
Yeah.
Like I, like I've slept well thelast few weeks and I woke up in
the middle of the night thinkingabout just hardware and software
and things that didn't go rightlast weekend and got no sleep.
So, and then we have Ironman70.3 Ohio and we have Ironman
70.3 Oregon and Yeah.

(57:14):
Which I think is a super coolrace.
I haven't been to Ohio orOregon, but I've seen photos and
video and they both lookawesome.
Yeah.
And then kudos to Ironmanannounced a new race this week
in Dallas for lack of a betterterm, but Little Elm.
Yeah.
So, and that'll be, I don't knowif I love this idea or not, but

(57:36):
that'll be the first race of theseason for us doing 70.3s
because- Yes, it's two weeks orthree weeks before.
I didn't pay attention to thedate.
I didn't either.
Mid-March.
Oh, right.
Yikes.
Yikes.
I don't know.
They're just creeping earlierand earlier into our ski season.
And I don't know if that's good.

(57:57):
Yeah, that is during the skiseason.
So that could be an issue too.
Yeah, I'm sick that week.
Sorry.
And so if we live through thisweekend, then we'll get to fight
another day and just to touch ona few things coming up.
first year race, Ironman Canadain Ottawa is a monster.
Monster.

(58:17):
And some of it happens like onthe Capitol grounds and, you
know, like I'm going to justpredict right now you're not
flying a drone.
You know, I know they say Iwould agree with that.
It just seemed we're prepped notto fly a drone.
They did say that the, they wantdrone shots of the Capitol.
Yeah.
Which we're happy to do, but weweren't able to get the,

(58:40):
permission to fly over theCapitol in Wisconsin, which is a
state Capitol.
Yeah.
And this is their parliamentbuilding.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So obviously in the U S theexultant ruler is the FAA.
People like to say there'spermits and blah, blah, blah.
It's just between the pilot andthe FAA.
What does it look like inCanada?

(59:01):
Is the one Oh seven, is it justmeaningless there?
Is that like, I used to have ahobbyist permit that in
Penticton, uh, the policedepartment showed me how to get
so I could fly underneath theairport.
Basically, the airplanes come inright over the venue.
And he walked me througheverything I needed to do to
make that happen.

(59:22):
But that was six years ago.
It just came up on my memories.
Nice.
So six years ago.
And then we have the LittletonTwilight Criterium, American
Cycling.
First time we'll have covered acriterium.
A little scary again because wehave to do the whole production

(59:44):
on the ground because there's abunch of LED walls on the ground
that have to be in real time.
And that's usually not ourproblem when we're here in
Boulder and they're in Swansea.
Yeah.
You know, we're like, sorry, ithad to come to Boulder and back
to you guys.
It's five seconds behind.
But here where we're going to doit on the ground and we're going
to lean on DJI wireless and DJIdrones.
Yeah.

(01:00:05):
A bunch.
And the city of Littleton hasbeen solid, tight.
Yeah.
I mean, it's a big initiativefor them.
They know what they're doing.
You can kind of tell, I think,that there must be someone
behind the city of Littletonthat is pushing cycling.
And not only because of thisevent, which has grown in
popularity over the years, butwhen we went down and did a site

(01:00:26):
visit, you can just feel likethe city is kind of like it's
cycling friendly.
There's A ton of cycling shopsand signs that say bike path
this way and two miles to thebike shop that way and protected
bike lanes everywhere.
You can tell someone cares aboutcycling.
Nice.
Which is cool.
I'm really bummed I won't be atthat one because that's the same

(01:00:47):
weekend as Ottawa.
So I'll be in Ottawa.
I really wish I was helping withthe crit.
Yeah, I wish you were too, inall honesty.
because you talked me intobuying that lens, and then it's
just sitting on the table.
And then after that, thefollowing weekend, Leadville
100, live broadcast, never beendone before.

(01:01:10):
Guaranteed failure.
Guaranteed failure.
That's where we shine.
Guaranteed failure.
We might go down, but we'regoing to go down swinging.
I think we're going to do great.
I agree.
I look forward to it.
But it's going to be challengingbecause it's not just the
mountains.
It's the high mountains ofColorado, 10,000 feet and above,

(01:01:31):
Leadville, Colorado, lack ofcell signal.
But we have a chopper, whichwon't have cell signal probably.
We're closer to the Starlinks.
Maybe.
That's how that works, right?
Yeah, that's exactly.
And the summer just keeps going.
And we'll talk more on the nextepisode about after that is
Gravel Worlds, which is kind ofthe people responsible for

(01:01:53):
getting us into cycling becausethey said nobody can cover our
race.
But do you guys want to give ita try?
Because we're friends.
Not only that, nobody can covergravel racing.
And now everybody's doing it.
Yeah, we started that.
We did.
In North America, for sure.
And then the last thing I justwant to touch on, our leader,
our friend, yeah, the guy whoruns the broadcast at Ironman,

(01:02:20):
Mark Mosbach, is leaving.
He's moving on to golf, movingback to golf.
Yeah.
Which seems...
Yeah.
For cyclists, it's hard to.
But I just want to, for one, sayhow important he's been to me
personally, but also just as acompany, BCC Live.

(01:02:42):
He is one of the most chill,positive leadership roles.
He just is.
If I could do anything, I'd liketo be more like Mark.
Yeah.
And he listens.
Yeah.
And he doesn't get run over.
He says, no, this is how we'redoing it.
Just do it.
But he's a great, great person,and he's going to be missed.

(01:03:04):
And hopefully, like ChristineBowen, he'll take us with him.
I love golf.
I love golf.
I love golf.
For real, though.
the data in golf is awesome.
Oh man.
Yeah.
Like in broadcast golf, like Iwould love to have an insider

(01:03:28):
look at how they track the balland take us.
I'm sure it's related to likeindoor golf, but it's cool.
We've designed a golf ball thathas a GPS device in it.
You heard it here first, justlike we did for Ironman.
That probably just got us axedfrom golf.
Yeah.
Right.
So Mark, uh, I can't imagine youstill listen to our podcast, but

(01:03:51):
if you do, we're going to missyou and you are one of the best
and you're partiallyinstrumental in our success
because long before gravelworlds, you gave us a shot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You said, why don't you guys trythis and we'll take a shot at
you guys.
And then we got lucky.

(01:04:11):
Yeah.
And it all went well.
And then everybody was like,hey, these guys can do it.
And it was pure luck the firsttime.
It's not anymore.
I'd rather be lucky than good.
Yeah.
What is that called?
Dunning-Kruger?
Yes.
Like after our first broadcast,we're like, wow, we're pros.
And then they never went thatgood again.
That's exactly.
So thanks, Mark.

(01:04:32):
Yeah, thanks 100%.
And then on to a busy weekend.
Have fun in Fort Collins.
You guys all have fun here inthe studio.
Oh, we're going to have tofigure out how to divide up all
the Unity and all the live viewpacks.
It's going to be challenging.
It is.
Only tune in to one broadcast.
Please do not try to watch both.

(01:04:55):
I support that, yeah.
And just pick one.
Damn it.
I keep forgetting to write an AIsong.
We made one.
We did make one.
So the host for the Business ofRunning Conference was Chris
Heisler, who we work with atRock and Roll.
Great dude.
Great dude.

(01:05:16):
I gained a lot of newfoundrespect and joy in knowing that
guy.
Yeah.
We got to sit down with him atdinner and talk.
And I...
He was so good at making youfeel seen he started going
through all these likeicebreaker questions and we were
having these deep conversationsJust amazing stuff.

(01:05:37):
Like it was it was so cool.
So like He and his he and hisbrothers have a thing or he and
his siblings have a thing whereYou have to pick five
celebrities music movies whatfive famous people that you're
allowed to ask for a photoyou're like buddies like first

(01:05:58):
name basis like hey man let'sget a photo together you can't
ask anyone else and they alwaysapprove and you know so so
you're not allowed to ask anyoneoutside of those five so you
have to pick the five peoplethat you would would want more
than anyone else in the world toget a photo with a celebrity or
you know anytime you wantanytime Dylan's making his own

(01:06:22):
version of this.
That's what it was.
It's not like you just get onephoto.
It's like, no, no, that guy's mydog.
Let me go take a picture withhim.
No, no, because you approach himand you say, hey, I got...
Anyway.
We can debate this later.
Regardless, it was likeicebreaker questions like that
that you start thinking aboutthese really deep stuff, and
you're like, oh, man, if I couldonly have five people that you

(01:06:45):
just run into and could ask fora photo, like, oh, well, if...
um, let's Tom Swenson.
Yeah.
If, if Keegan Swenson is on yourlist, but, um, Sophia, uh, the,
uh, the, uh, fine yet.
Thank you.
Uh, if she's not, you couldn'task her for a photo, but you

(01:07:08):
could talk to, you could stillbe like, Oh, Hey, it's good to
meet you.
But if Keegan's on it, you couldask Keegan for a photo.
It's, it's a really interesting,like, Oh man, who are these
people that you, uh, It would beMick Jagger anyway, but...
Ooh, that's a good one.
Sorry, Keegs.
Anyway, so it was stuff likethat.

(01:07:28):
And we talked for like 30minutes, an hour, going through
all this stuff.
And it was a lot of fun.
He was on Family Feud.
He and his siblings, they did itfor his sister's 40th birthday.
And they were on three nights.
So they won two nights and lostthe third.
And...
The third night, they lost tothe other family only answered

(01:07:52):
two answers correctly, but theystole the last one, and that let
them win.
And the last one was, if I wereto say to you, if you looked at
your loved one and said, youreyes sparkle like blank, what's
your first answer?
Stars.
Yep, that was number two.

(01:08:14):
Got another?
I said like a diamond.
Diamond was number one.
And that was 90 of the answersout of 100 of the survey.
So all the other ones they hadto guess.
So they guessed several andmissed them.
And the other one, the otherfamily guessed glitter.
That was correct.
So the other family won.
And who says that?
Your eyes shine like glitter.

(01:08:38):
Yeah.
And so Chris was so mad.
He was so upset.
And he was like, I just hateglitter now.
I hate everything about glitter.
And I was like...
Oh, you messed up, man.
So we wrote Chris an AI songabout Family Feud and Glitter.
The Glitter Confetti Blues.
Let's hear it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:55):
Chris walked in, sharp as a tack.
Family feud, no turning back.
Steve Harvey's stare, oh, itcould kill.
Glitter rained, he lost thethrill.
Glitter! Shame in every roundChris said no, but fate said yes

(01:09:35):
Glitter, chaos, what a mess Theboard lit up, but not his name
That glitter cloud, it sealedhis shame steve's eyebrow raised

(01:09:56):
judgment fell chris's moment aspark

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