August 27, 2026 • 23 mins
Ahead of the release of their new record, "Happier Now", Sam dials in with Patrick Miranda from U.S. Post-hardcore band Movements. They cover the eternal Sydney/Melbourne feud, how songs reveal themselves to you as a songwriter, and how the band has a second generation of song-writers already growing up.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:14):
Maxwell, another big episode for Teenage Me.
SPEAKER_00 (00:18):
Hello, Teenage Sam.
Wherever you're listening, andwhatever everyone listening.
And the rest of you.
And if you're another listenernamed Sam who was a teenager, I
guess hello.
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (00:27):
Um, we're talking to Pat from Movements this week,
all ahead of their new album,Happier Now, dropping.
I was a huge movements fan whenI was younger.
Um Feel Something, one of myfavorite albums of all time.
And they've shifted theirpop-punk sound, or like their
sort of emo punk sound, killyourself music, as Pat says in
(00:48):
our interview, into more of asort of like pop.
It sounds stupid sayingpop-punk, but it's more pop than
it is punk.
Pop, comma punk.
Into their sound.
And we chat about how you knowPat's found the journey and how
they've come to, I guess, thisnew sound on Happier Now, which
(01:09):
seems to be a perfect blend ofboth.
SPEAKER_00 (01:11):
Well, I mean, let's not waste any time here, Sam.
I might throw it a U.
Should I throw it a U.
To No, wait, that's that's toomany throwing.
Well, I'll throw to you.
SPEAKER_01 (01:19):
I've just realized midway through you're not in
this interview.
It's just me.
SPEAKER_00 (01:22):
I'm keen to check it out.
Here's Sam.
He hasn't listened.
Channel movements.
SPEAKER_01 (01:27):
We are joined on the line by Pat from Movements.
Mate, welcome to the show.
Dude, thank you so much forhaving me.
It's an absolute pleasure.
I want to shout out 108Warehouse before we go into this
because we were talking off air,you said no one's noticed it,
but shout out to the boys downin Sydney.
You're rocking their shirt.
How good.
SPEAKER_02 (01:47):
So yeah, dude, Sydney is like my I fucking love
Sydney.
Sydney's my favorite place uh inAustralia.
Like straight up.
It's one of my it's likeactually my favorite city.
SPEAKER_01 (01:55):
Well, I'm sure all our Sydney listeners are
absolutely frothing hearing yousay that.
SPEAKER_02 (02:00):
And all the and all the Melbourne listeners are
gonna be like, fuck you.
SPEAKER_01 (02:05):
Well, dude, it's fair thought for us in Brisbane.
We're the forgotten major city,but you know, shout out Sydney,
it's a great place to be.
Yeah, we get along.
I feel like Sydney and Melbourneis where the real beef is.
It's like we're more unique,we're more cultural, it just
doesn't stop.
(02:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (02:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:26):
But um look, we have a lot to talk about.
There's a new album on thehorizon, but before we dive into
Happier Now, we always start theshow by asking our guests what's
spinning in their playlists.
SPEAKER_02 (02:38):
Yeah, dude, um I have a very specific answer.
Uh I have two albums that havebeen on repeat for months now.
Um the first being Noah Kahan'snew album, um The Great Divide,
is what it's called.
Yeah.
And the second being my dearfriend Dave, he has a project
called Bike Roots.
(02:59):
Uh and he put out an albumcalled Prairie that is fucking
unbelievable.
Really great, like kind of likeuh, you know, Americana
Springsteen inspired, but stillwith like roots in in our world
of music, and yeah, he's justfucking amazing.
So yeah, bike rep bike roots andno con.
(03:21):
That's been my go-tos lately.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (03:24):
You're not sort of sick of the new Noah Khan stuff
going all over TikTok, it's notever played.
SPEAKER_02 (03:30):
Dude, the my thing is like I was never like a I was
never a No-Con fan before this.
Like, I I actually only knew theone song that like blew up on
TikTok, and my wife listened tohim a bit, but I never like
really did any sort of deep diveor anything.
And it wasn't until this recordcame out that I really like
started listening.
(03:51):
And something about it, man, itjust it hit me like a fucking
train.
Like, I just I really reallylove it, and I have not gotten
sick of it.
Um, and I'm just like so likeproud of him and his his
journey, his success.
We watched his documentary theother day, and I learned a lot
about him, and I was just like,man, like this is this is really
really good stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (04:10):
So, dude, he is bigger than Ben Hur at the
moment.
It's insane.
Like, it's fucking crazy.
Yeah, some of the shows he'splaying are unbelievable.
SPEAKER_02 (04:19):
Unbelievable.
Side note, um, let me know ifyou can hear my dog.
He's going a little crazy rightnow.
So if he starts getting like tooactive and loud, I'll go and
shut the door so that he's notdistracted.
SPEAKER_01 (04:31):
He is all good, but uh we'll definitely keep you
posted.
But um look, enough about NoahKhan.
Let's talk about movementsbecause congratulations are in
order.
Happier now, like I said, it'sabout to drop, and I'm sure
you've been sitting on thesesongs for years potentially, so
so close to them all beingreleased to the world.
How are you feeling?
SPEAKER_02 (04:53):
Really, really excited.
Yeah, really, really fuckingexcited.
I mean, it's it's been a longtime in the making.
We were, you know, uh obviouslylike a little nervous about like
what this album was gonna looklike when we were in the writing
process, what we wanted to do,like um how it was all gonna
come together and what whatnot.
(05:14):
And um we ended up withsomething that we're all really
proud of and really excited forthe world to hear and to kind of
like yeah, just like open upsome new doors for us as a band.
Like um it's it's a really,really interesting place to be
in and really exciting place tobe in.
Um I think that the goalultimately was to try and find a
(05:35):
way to like bridge the gapbetween new movements and old
movements, right?
Ruckus being our most sonicallydifferent album and Feel
Something being our most popularalbum, we wanted to find a way
to like combine the two and likereally make it, you know,
something that felt like a solidrepresentation of what we are as
a band as a whole.
(05:55):
Um, and I think we did a prettygood job of accomplishing that
with this record.
So I hope that the rest of theworld also feels that.
I hope that we uh, you know, ifwe if we lost some some interest
in, you know, if we lost someinterest from people who maybe
weren't a huge fan of Ruckus, uhI hope that we bring them back
with this album.
And for those fans of Ruckus whoreally, really like it, I hope
(06:16):
that they stick with us and uhstill feel the same feelings
that they got from it.
So yeah, I'm excited.
SPEAKER_01 (06:22):
It's um the reaction to the singles so far has been
incredible from what I've seen,you know.
When Dissolve Me dropped,people, like you said, felt like
old movements meant newmovements, and there's a lot of
buzz, particularly down here inAustralia.
Um like you said, it's got it'sgot so many thro cool throwbacks
to sounds we heard on FeelSomething that we haven't heard
(06:44):
for a little while from youguys.
What felt right about the timingof this album to make you guys
sort of want to revisit thatedgier sound?
SPEAKER_02 (06:54):
Dude, I mean, look at it it's all kind of I think
all been leading up to this,right?
Feel something was sort of this,you know, cultural phenomenon
that none of us expected.
No, you know, we didn't expectFeelsomething to be as impactful
as it was for so many people.
And then we followed that upwith no good left to give in the
(07:14):
height of COVID.
So all of our progress, all ofour like momentum just fucking
came to a like a gnarly halt.
And there's just nothing we cando about it, right?
And so we had plateaued at thatpoint, and we're like, fuck,
like what are we gonna do now?
You know, like we we have to dosomething kind of drastic to
like get back into people'sfaces, make sure that we're
(07:36):
like, you know, we're trying tolike make make some fucking
noise here and get peopleexcited about movements again.
And so we decided to make ruckusand and make an album that was
kind of out of left field forwhat I think most people expect
movements to sound like.
Um and I want to like reiteratethat I don't think that there is
any like mold that movementsneeds to sound like.
(07:58):
Uh, we always just writewhatever the fuck we want and do
whatever the fuck we want.
And if we're having fun makingit, then that's what's most
important to us, right?
Um, and I think that we did areally good job of that on
Ruckus.
Like, we got people talking,whether you fucking loved it or
you fucking hated it, like it,you know, like it got us to a
place where we are now like waybigger than we ever thought that
(08:18):
we could ever become as a band,and it's opened up so many
opportunities for what we can doin the future.
So going into LP4, we were like,all right, so far, mission
pretty well accomplished, right?
But what do we do?
How do we how do we bridge thatgap?
How do we make everybody fuckwith what this next thing is
(08:40):
going to be, right?
Because, you know, we've got allthese new fans who like this new
music, we've got all these oldfans who like the old music.
What can we do that's gonna makeboth of them like really, really
excited?
And so when we started thewriting process, we actually
weren't really sure what thatwas, like what the answer to
that question was.
Um, and through the process ofkind of just like narrowing shit
(09:02):
down and trying new things andjust going with the flow and and
again writing whatever feltnatural and fun, but with the
expectation in our minds beinglike, okay, we're trying to,
we're trying to connect, we'retrying to bridge that gap.
Um eventually we found it, Ithink.
And we found it in waysoftentimes that I think were
like a little that we didn'teven really expect, you know.
(09:26):
Um but yeah, the goal was like II think I think what what really
clicked was like the keeping theenergy of Ruckus and adding like
the sad emotional um kind oflike kill yourself music, you
know, of of feel something.
And that is what that is what weended up with, and I'm yeah, I'm
(09:49):
I'm stoked about it.
I'm I'm really stoked about it.
Um but it was hard, it was ahard thing to do.
It was the hardest record that Ithink I've we've ever written as
a band.
Like it was really challenging,but um the challenge was worth
it in the end.
SPEAKER_01 (10:01):
Yeah, I can imagine trying to put those pieces
together would be challenging.
I feel like I'd love to ask youabout your relationship with
Feel Something.
We've had bands like Balance onBalance and Composure on the
show before, and we've askedthem sort of their relationship
with albums like The Things WeThink Were Missing because as a
songwriter, I imagine whenyou're in the studio approaching
(10:22):
new music, it can be a challengeand it'll play mind games, you
know, balancing explorationversus fan expectation.
How does that album sit with younow as you're you know trying to
do new things with movements?
SPEAKER_02 (10:39):
Yeah, it you know, I have so much love and um like I
I look at that album with suchfondness because it's gotten us
to where we are.
You know what I mean?
Like that that album is biggerthan this band is, like it is
just that is that has becomesomething that it like will
(11:01):
outlive the you know, you knowwhat I mean?
Like our legacy, like that is,you know what I mean?
Um and for that reason, likeI'll always have respect and
appreciation for it becausewithout it we would be nothing.
Where I draw, I guess, like sortof a line is when people I guess
(11:22):
kind of generalize movements aslike only ever quote unquote
being good during that era, oryou know, any of the things that
people like to say and talk shitabout, whatever, like I just
fundamentally disagree in inevery possible way.
In every possible way.
(11:42):
Because we wrote that album whenwe were fucking kids.
I was 18, 19 years old when wewere writing that album.
I'm 31 now.
Not only have I gained more lifeexperience, have all of us in
the band gained more lifeexperience, fucking done this
for a living now for a decade,um, been actively like working
on like this as a group, butlike also as individuals, we've
(12:06):
all become such like fuckingbetter songwriters.
Like it's it's crazy lookingback at like the quality of
songs from the EP and uh andfrom Feel Something to where
they now are objectively fromlike a writing standpoint, it is
night and fucking day.
Even like just how they sound,like it like we're all just way
(12:27):
better at what we do now.
Um, and so I just you knowagain, I have so much love, I
have so much respect, and I haveso much like fondness for that
record, but it's also probablymy least favorite movements
record.
You know what I mean?
Like, yeah, and that's no teamshade, but it's my least
(12:47):
favorite movements record.
Because I because I just thinkthat we've in my opinion, we've
just done this the whole time.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01 (12:54):
So I mean um, yeah.
As you should when you're, youknow, your job is to make
albums.
Every album should be, you know,every new album should be the
the new best one.
But yeah, yeah, it's um I meanlyrically as well, movement
songs have always felt reallydeeply introspective, and and
that's again on show throughoutthis album.
(13:15):
Is that vulnerability andopenness on songs something that
comes easily to you and sitscomfortably with you, or is it
something that as the albumshave gone on, you know, you've
become more accustomed to?
SPEAKER_02 (13:29):
I think it is it is easy to a degree, and I put easy
in air quotes because I don't Idon't I don't know that like
writing songs that are so deeplypersonal like is ever like easy.
It's really hard to bevulnerable, but I mean easy in
the sense that it comesnaturally to me, and it's just
(13:51):
where my brain goes when I am inlike the writing process, right?
As soon as I start setting downand listening to a track, like a
demo or whatever, and start kindof like thinking about like
okay, what like does thisinvoke?
What sort of emotions am Ifeeling?
What does this song remind meof?
Like I saw something like prettyrecently that like was really
(14:16):
interesting to me, and it's sortof like woo-woo shit, but it's
like some songwriter was talkingabout the fact that like songs,
like you you don't write songs,like songs are given to you,
like the spirit of like themusic or whatever is like going
to give you whatever that songis about, and I do kind of
resonate with that in in acertain way, where like I don't
(14:39):
necessarily go into like a songthinking like this song's gonna
be about this or this song'sgonna be about that.
I like wait until I've heard theinstruments enough times to like
let something jump out at me,and when it does, I just follow
it and I just let that go andlet my kind of like brain like
wander and and just like feelout whatever it's gonna feel
(15:02):
out.
And so I think like that is myhas been my approach to writing.
Once I have like a generalskeleton or idea of like what
that is, then I can kind of sitthere and fine-tune, like, okay,
this word needs to be like more,you know, I need more syllables
here, I need a rhyme scheme thatmatches here, I need blah blah
blah, whatever, whatever.
But um, yeah, like the the theraw emotion of it all, it like
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all kind of just like comes fromthis place of like having dealt
with um mental health issues myentire life and and having that
be such a huge piece of myidentity.
And there was like a moment oftime where I was like, damn, do
I want to always fucking writeshit like this forever?
And I was like, no, I don't,like, and that's why we started
writing happier stuff on thelast album because I didn't want
(15:45):
to only do that.
But the reality, the reality ofhaving mental health struggles
is that it's always a constantup and down, right?
Like where I was two years agocompared to where I am now, I
was in a much, much darker placethan right now, even, right?
And a lot of our music like onthis album is reflective of that
time.
Where I was four years agocompared to right now, I was
(16:07):
probably at my happiest, youknow what I mean?
So so it's just like this cycle,right?
That is always kind of likegoing, and and I'm sure that
there will continue to be manymore sad songs that we write,
but there are also there's alsogonna be plenty of more happy
songs that we write.
And um, yeah, that's just kindof like my I guess like
overarching feelings about itall.
(16:28):
That was a little long-winded,I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (16:30):
No, no, it's good, and with like you say it's
woo-woo, but musicians alwaystalk about how you know songs
come together in you know, onesitting or one session, and it
just, you know, we startedwriting and then you know, we
wrote it in an hour.
Like it all it makes a lot ofsense.
SPEAKER_02 (16:46):
Yeah, and we've had we've had like plenty of those
experiences too, where likesometimes a song just fucking
goes.
And and I'll be in, you know,I'll basically what happens is
like you know, the guys willwrite the instruments.
Once I feel pretty good aboutthe instruments, like I'll take
it into another room and I'llyou know just kind of work on
the vocals for a while.
And sometimes that process,usually that process takes a
(17:07):
couple of days for one song.
Uh, but there have been timeswhere I've gone and sat down for
30 minutes and come back with afull fucking song and and
nothing changes about it at all,just is there.
Um, so yeah, it's it's reallyinteresting the fact that like
some just come immediately,others I wrestle with for days
or weeks on end until we get itright.
SPEAKER_01 (17:29):
It's the joy of the process, as they would they'd
probably say.
Look, yeah.
I'd love to ask before we letyou go as well.
I mean, movements as a band, Ifeel like love a ballad.
Their fans love a bit of aballad, and every album seems to
have that one song that fansjust absolutely cling to.
(17:49):
I mean, you look at Daylily,Seneca as well, and I feel like
even in ruckus, tightrope alittle bit had that same
quality.
Listening to Happier Now,Fragile Hands, I'm gonna pick as
the little the little dark horseto be the ones that fan the one
that fans cling to.
What can you tell us about thatsong?
It feels like quite a specialone in the album.
SPEAKER_02 (18:11):
Yeah, dude, Fragile Hands was crazy, actually.
There's a really interestingstory behind Fragile Hands.
And so Ira, our guitar player,he um and his wife, they have
two beautiful little girls.
They're so so adorable.
One who is, I think, just turnedtwo, and the other who's uh
(18:33):
maybe like six months old now.
Um but uh his his older hisolder daughter, her name is
Benny, and there was this daythat she was just randomly like
singing a song that she had madeup, like just had completely
made up.
They don't know where she gotit, how it came about, nothing.
(18:53):
It was just like this weirdthing that she kept singing.
And they're like, What are yousinging?
Like, what it what is that?
They took a video of it, and itwas her, and she was singing
something about like our handsare fragile or something, and
and and we had this recording,and I was like, dude, she's kind
of spitting bars right now.
Like, what is she saying, andhow did she come up with this?
(19:16):
He's like, I don't know, bro.
And I was like, fuck it, I'mgonna turn it into a song.
And I just like kind of tookthat.
I took like those the words thatshe was saying, I shaped them a
little bit, I I added my ownspin on stuff, I applied it to
my life, and I was like, wegotta track, dude.
Like, and and I wasn't reallyeven sure how people were gonna
like that song because that wasone that I had actually kind of
(19:38):
like demoed out.
Um I've been like learning howto produce over the last year.
I'm really, really bad at itstill, but I've been learning
because I wanted to be able tobe a little bit more
self-sufficient in like my mywriting process to not have to
rely on other people if I have asong idea.
Like this way I can just belike, I have this idea, let me
go fucking track it down reallyquick in my bedroom on my laptop
(20:01):
and like fucking singingwhatever, and we'll have a good
thing, something to listen to.
Um, that was like one of thefirst tracks that I had like
produced where I was like, okay,I have this idea.
It kind of reminds me in someways of like Deathcap for Cutie.
It's like a little weird, it's alittle different, has like the
Cynthia part in it, but I'mgonna show it to the guys and
(20:23):
see what they think.
And everybody was down for it.
They're like, Yeah, this isfucking cool.
Uh, and we ended up making itthe track, and it was crazy
because like all of thatcollaboration, me trying
something new, Ira having hisdaughter Benny like kind of like
bring her soul into that side ofit was just like it was really
interesting, it was really fun.
Um, and yeah, it became a songthat we all love a lot, and uh I
(20:45):
hope I hope that the audiencealso feels that too.
SPEAKER_01 (20:48):
I reckon they will, and that's that's unreal.
Benny's now immortalized inmovement folklore.
That's that's so sick.
Yeah, it's so sick, dude.
Youngest songwriter of all time.
Hell yeah.
And one last question we've gotfrom our listeners.
I mean, our South Americanlisteners will be able to catch
movements on Warp Tour inSeptember, just in time for the
(21:09):
album release.
But for our Australianlisteners, I mean, we saw you
open for Pierce Savale not toolong ago, but can we start
believing in a movementsheadliner anytime soon?
SPEAKER_02 (21:19):
Yeah, I think that is the the next logical step for
us in Australia is coming backand doing a big headliner,
especially coming off with theback of the PTV tour.
Like we played to more people inAustralia than we have ever
played to in our entire lives onthat tour.
Like it was it was so insane.
The amount of people that wereat those fucking shows was
(21:41):
unbelievable.
Um, and if we've learnedanything from touring with
Peercevale in the past, it'sthat their fan base is so
fucking dedicated, dude, andthey just like ride so hard for
every band that is within Peerceof Eil's like sphere, their fans
are gonna latch on to.
And so we expect to see a lot offans from a lot of new fans who
(22:04):
we we played to at those showsuh coming out the next time that
we come through, or at leastthat's the hope, you know, that
that they'll have have foundsome sort of love for us in
those moments and want to comesupport us as a band next time
that we're over thereheadlining.
And um, yeah, I mean it it ithappened in the United States
when we toured with them, whenwe toured with Pierce in 2016.
(22:25):
You know, we had tons of peoplefor the last decade who still
come up to us are like, youknow, hey, we we know about you
because we saw you with PierceAvail, like that sort of shit.
So I'm really, really hopefulthat that's also going to be our
experience in Australia and thatwe could just start playing some
bigger shows as headliners andbring out some bands that we
really want to bring out.
Shout out Bloom, those are thehomies.
(22:46):
I want, you know, I want to dosome shit with them.
And uh yeah, so we'll see, man.
Uh, but I I think that's the thelogical, the logical next step.
SPEAKER_01 (22:55):
Love it.
Well, give yourself some credit.
I know plenty of people thatwere going to the piss of our
shows just to see you guys.
So, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (23:01):
I appreciate that.
Yeah, that's nice to hear.
SPEAKER_01 (23:04):
Well, if you are tuning in to this episode, make
sure to keep your eyes peeledfor Happier Now Movements, brand
new album dropping September4th.
And make sure to go and streamall four singles wherever you
get your music.
Pat, thanks so much for takingthe time to chat.
Dude, thank you so much againfor having me.
I really appreciate it.
Maxwell, another big episode for Teenage Me.
SPEAKER_00 (00:18):
Hello, Teenage Sam.
Wherever you're listening, andwhatever everyone listening.
And the rest of you.
And if you're another listenernamed Sam who was a teenager, I
guess hello.
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (00:27):
Um, we're talking to Pat from Movements this week,
all ahead of their new album,Happier Now, dropping.
I was a huge movements fan whenI was younger.
Um Feel Something, one of myfavorite albums of all time.
And they've shifted theirpop-punk sound, or like their
sort of emo punk sound, killyourself music, as Pat says in
(00:48):
our interview, into more of asort of like pop.
It sounds stupid sayingpop-punk, but it's more pop than
it is punk.
Pop, comma punk.
Into their sound.
And we chat about how you knowPat's found the journey and how
they've come to, I guess, thisnew sound on Happier Now, which
(01:09):
seems to be a perfect blend ofboth.
SPEAKER_00 (01:11):
Well, I mean, let's not waste any time here, Sam.
I might throw it a U.
Should I throw it a U.
To No, wait, that's that's toomany throwing.
Well, I'll throw to you.
SPEAKER_01 (01:19):
I've just realized midway through you're not in
this interview.
It's just me.
SPEAKER_00 (01:22):
I'm keen to check it out.
Here's Sam.
He hasn't listened.
Channel movements.
SPEAKER_01 (01:27):
We are joined on the line by Pat from Movements.
Mate, welcome to the show.
Dude, thank you so much forhaving me.
It's an absolute pleasure.
I want to shout out 108Warehouse before we go into this
because we were talking off air,you said no one's noticed it,
but shout out to the boys downin Sydney.
You're rocking their shirt.
How good.
SPEAKER_02 (01:47):
So yeah, dude, Sydney is like my I fucking love
Sydney.
Sydney's my favorite place uh inAustralia.
Like straight up.
It's one of my it's likeactually my favorite city.
SPEAKER_01 (01:55):
Well, I'm sure all our Sydney listeners are
absolutely frothing hearing yousay that.
SPEAKER_02 (02:00):
And all the and all the Melbourne listeners are
gonna be like, fuck you.
SPEAKER_01 (02:05):
Well, dude, it's fair thought for us in Brisbane.
We're the forgotten major city,but you know, shout out Sydney,
it's a great place to be.
Yeah, we get along.
I feel like Sydney and Melbourneis where the real beef is.
It's like we're more unique,we're more cultural, it just
doesn't stop.
(02:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (02:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:26):
But um look, we have a lot to talk about.
There's a new album on thehorizon, but before we dive into
Happier Now, we always start theshow by asking our guests what's
spinning in their playlists.
SPEAKER_02 (02:38):
Yeah, dude, um I have a very specific answer.
Uh I have two albums that havebeen on repeat for months now.
Um the first being Noah Kahan'snew album, um The Great Divide,
is what it's called.
Yeah.
And the second being my dearfriend Dave, he has a project
called Bike Roots.
(02:59):
Uh and he put out an albumcalled Prairie that is fucking
unbelievable.
Really great, like kind of likeuh, you know, Americana
Springsteen inspired, but stillwith like roots in in our world
of music, and yeah, he's justfucking amazing.
So yeah, bike rep bike roots andno con.
(03:21):
That's been my go-tos lately.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (03:24):
You're not sort of sick of the new Noah Khan stuff
going all over TikTok, it's notever played.
SPEAKER_02 (03:30):
Dude, the my thing is like I was never like a I was
never a No-Con fan before this.
Like, I I actually only knew theone song that like blew up on
TikTok, and my wife listened tohim a bit, but I never like
really did any sort of deep diveor anything.
And it wasn't until this recordcame out that I really like
started listening.
(03:51):
And something about it, man, itjust it hit me like a fucking
train.
Like, I just I really reallylove it, and I have not gotten
sick of it.
Um, and I'm just like so likeproud of him and his his
journey, his success.
We watched his documentary theother day, and I learned a lot
about him, and I was just like,man, like this is this is really
really good stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (04:10):
So, dude, he is bigger than Ben Hur at the
moment.
It's insane.
Like, it's fucking crazy.
Yeah, some of the shows he'splaying are unbelievable.
SPEAKER_02 (04:19):
Unbelievable.
Side note, um, let me know ifyou can hear my dog.
He's going a little crazy rightnow.
So if he starts getting like tooactive and loud, I'll go and
shut the door so that he's notdistracted.
SPEAKER_01 (04:31):
He is all good, but uh we'll definitely keep you
posted.
But um look, enough about NoahKhan.
Let's talk about movementsbecause congratulations are in
order.
Happier now, like I said, it'sabout to drop, and I'm sure
you've been sitting on thesesongs for years potentially, so
so close to them all beingreleased to the world.
How are you feeling?
SPEAKER_02 (04:53):
Really, really excited.
Yeah, really, really fuckingexcited.
I mean, it's it's been a longtime in the making.
We were, you know, uh obviouslylike a little nervous about like
what this album was gonna looklike when we were in the writing
process, what we wanted to do,like um how it was all gonna
come together and what whatnot.
(05:14):
And um we ended up withsomething that we're all really
proud of and really excited forthe world to hear and to kind of
like yeah, just like open upsome new doors for us as a band.
Like um it's it's a really,really interesting place to be
in and really exciting place tobe in.
Um I think that the goalultimately was to try and find a
(05:35):
way to like bridge the gapbetween new movements and old
movements, right?
Ruckus being our most sonicallydifferent album and Feel
Something being our most popularalbum, we wanted to find a way
to like combine the two and likereally make it, you know,
something that felt like a solidrepresentation of what we are as
a band as a whole.
(05:55):
Um, and I think we did a prettygood job of accomplishing that
with this record.
So I hope that the rest of theworld also feels that.
I hope that we uh, you know, ifwe if we lost some some interest
in, you know, if we lost someinterest from people who maybe
weren't a huge fan of Ruckus, uhI hope that we bring them back
with this album.
And for those fans of Ruckus whoreally, really like it, I hope
(06:16):
that they stick with us and uhstill feel the same feelings
that they got from it.
So yeah, I'm excited.
SPEAKER_01 (06:22):
It's um the reaction to the singles so far has been
incredible from what I've seen,you know.
When Dissolve Me dropped,people, like you said, felt like
old movements meant newmovements, and there's a lot of
buzz, particularly down here inAustralia.
Um like you said, it's got it'sgot so many thro cool throwbacks
to sounds we heard on FeelSomething that we haven't heard
(06:44):
for a little while from youguys.
What felt right about the timingof this album to make you guys
sort of want to revisit thatedgier sound?
SPEAKER_02 (06:54):
Dude, I mean, look at it it's all kind of I think
all been leading up to this,right?
Feel something was sort of this,you know, cultural phenomenon
that none of us expected.
No, you know, we didn't expectFeelsomething to be as impactful
as it was for so many people.
And then we followed that upwith no good left to give in the
(07:14):
height of COVID.
So all of our progress, all ofour like momentum just fucking
came to a like a gnarly halt.
And there's just nothing we cando about it, right?
And so we had plateaued at thatpoint, and we're like, fuck,
like what are we gonna do now?
You know, like we we have to dosomething kind of drastic to
like get back into people'sfaces, make sure that we're
(07:36):
like, you know, we're trying tolike make make some fucking
noise here and get peopleexcited about movements again.
And so we decided to make ruckusand and make an album that was
kind of out of left field forwhat I think most people expect
movements to sound like.
Um and I want to like reiteratethat I don't think that there is
any like mold that movementsneeds to sound like.
(07:58):
Uh, we always just writewhatever the fuck we want and do
whatever the fuck we want.
And if we're having fun makingit, then that's what's most
important to us, right?
Um, and I think that we did areally good job of that on
Ruckus.
Like, we got people talking,whether you fucking loved it or
you fucking hated it, like it,you know, like it got us to a
place where we are now like waybigger than we ever thought that
(08:18):
we could ever become as a band,and it's opened up so many
opportunities for what we can doin the future.
So going into LP4, we were like,all right, so far, mission
pretty well accomplished, right?
But what do we do?
How do we how do we bridge thatgap?
How do we make everybody fuckwith what this next thing is
(08:40):
going to be, right?
Because, you know, we've got allthese new fans who like this new
music, we've got all these oldfans who like the old music.
What can we do that's gonna makeboth of them like really, really
excited?
And so when we started thewriting process, we actually
weren't really sure what thatwas, like what the answer to
that question was.
Um, and through the process ofkind of just like narrowing shit
(09:02):
down and trying new things andjust going with the flow and and
again writing whatever feltnatural and fun, but with the
expectation in our minds beinglike, okay, we're trying to,
we're trying to connect, we'retrying to bridge that gap.
Um eventually we found it, Ithink.
And we found it in waysoftentimes that I think were
like a little that we didn'teven really expect, you know.
(09:26):
Um but yeah, the goal was like II think I think what what really
clicked was like the keeping theenergy of Ruckus and adding like
the sad emotional um kind oflike kill yourself music, you
know, of of feel something.
And that is what that is what weended up with, and I'm yeah, I'm
(09:49):
I'm stoked about it.
I'm I'm really stoked about it.
Um but it was hard, it was ahard thing to do.
It was the hardest record that Ithink I've we've ever written as
a band.
Like it was really challenging,but um the challenge was worth
it in the end.
SPEAKER_01 (10:01):
Yeah, I can imagine trying to put those pieces
together would be challenging.
I feel like I'd love to ask youabout your relationship with
Feel Something.
We've had bands like Balance onBalance and Composure on the
show before, and we've askedthem sort of their relationship
with albums like The Things WeThink Were Missing because as a
songwriter, I imagine whenyou're in the studio approaching
(10:22):
new music, it can be a challengeand it'll play mind games, you
know, balancing explorationversus fan expectation.
How does that album sit with younow as you're you know trying to
do new things with movements?
SPEAKER_02 (10:39):
Yeah, it you know, I have so much love and um like I
I look at that album with suchfondness because it's gotten us
to where we are.
You know what I mean?
Like that that album is biggerthan this band is, like it is
just that is that has becomesomething that it like will
(11:01):
outlive the you know, you knowwhat I mean?
Like our legacy, like that is,you know what I mean?
Um and for that reason, likeI'll always have respect and
appreciation for it becausewithout it we would be nothing.
Where I draw, I guess, like sortof a line is when people I guess
(11:22):
kind of generalize movements aslike only ever quote unquote
being good during that era, oryou know, any of the things that
people like to say and talk shitabout, whatever, like I just
fundamentally disagree in inevery possible way.
In every possible way.
(11:42):
Because we wrote that album whenwe were fucking kids.
I was 18, 19 years old when wewere writing that album.
I'm 31 now.
Not only have I gained more lifeexperience, have all of us in
the band gained more lifeexperience, fucking done this
for a living now for a decade,um, been actively like working
on like this as a group, butlike also as individuals, we've
(12:06):
all become such like fuckingbetter songwriters.
Like it's it's crazy lookingback at like the quality of
songs from the EP and uh andfrom Feel Something to where
they now are objectively fromlike a writing standpoint, it is
night and fucking day.
Even like just how they sound,like it like we're all just way
(12:27):
better at what we do now.
Um, and so I just you knowagain, I have so much love, I
have so much respect, and I haveso much like fondness for that
record, but it's also probablymy least favorite movements
record.
You know what I mean?
Like, yeah, and that's no teamshade, but it's my least
(12:47):
favorite movements record.
Because I because I just thinkthat we've in my opinion, we've
just done this the whole time.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01 (12:54):
So I mean um, yeah.
As you should when you're, youknow, your job is to make
albums.
Every album should be, you know,every new album should be the
the new best one.
But yeah, yeah, it's um I meanlyrically as well, movement
songs have always felt reallydeeply introspective, and and
that's again on show throughoutthis album.
(13:15):
Is that vulnerability andopenness on songs something that
comes easily to you and sitscomfortably with you, or is it
something that as the albumshave gone on, you know, you've
become more accustomed to?
SPEAKER_02 (13:29):
I think it is it is easy to a degree, and I put easy
in air quotes because I don't Idon't I don't know that like
writing songs that are so deeplypersonal like is ever like easy.
It's really hard to bevulnerable, but I mean easy in
the sense that it comesnaturally to me, and it's just
(13:51):
where my brain goes when I am inlike the writing process, right?
As soon as I start setting downand listening to a track, like a
demo or whatever, and start kindof like thinking about like
okay, what like does thisinvoke?
What sort of emotions am Ifeeling?
What does this song remind meof?
Like I saw something like prettyrecently that like was really
(14:16):
interesting to me, and it's sortof like woo-woo shit, but it's
like some songwriter was talkingabout the fact that like songs,
like you you don't write songs,like songs are given to you,
like the spirit of like themusic or whatever is like going
to give you whatever that songis about, and I do kind of
resonate with that in in acertain way, where like I don't
(14:39):
necessarily go into like a songthinking like this song's gonna
be about this or this song'sgonna be about that.
I like wait until I've heard theinstruments enough times to like
let something jump out at me,and when it does, I just follow
it and I just let that go andlet my kind of like brain like
wander and and just like feelout whatever it's gonna feel
(15:02):
out.
And so I think like that is myhas been my approach to writing.
Once I have like a generalskeleton or idea of like what
that is, then I can kind of sitthere and fine-tune, like, okay,
this word needs to be like more,you know, I need more syllables
here, I need a rhyme scheme thatmatches here, I need blah blah
blah, whatever, whatever.
But um, yeah, like the the theraw emotion of it all, it like
(15:25):
all kind of just like comes fromthis place of like having dealt
with um mental health issues myentire life and and having that
be such a huge piece of myidentity.
And there was like a moment oftime where I was like, damn, do
I want to always fucking writeshit like this forever?
And I was like, no, I don't,like, and that's why we started
writing happier stuff on thelast album because I didn't want
(15:45):
to only do that.
But the reality, the reality ofhaving mental health struggles
is that it's always a constantup and down, right?
Like where I was two years agocompared to where I am now, I
was in a much, much darker placethan right now, even, right?
And a lot of our music like onthis album is reflective of that
time.
Where I was four years agocompared to right now, I was
(16:07):
probably at my happiest, youknow what I mean?
So so it's just like this cycle,right?
That is always kind of likegoing, and and I'm sure that
there will continue to be manymore sad songs that we write,
but there are also there's alsogonna be plenty of more happy
songs that we write.
And um, yeah, that's just kindof like my I guess like
overarching feelings about itall.
(16:28):
That was a little long-winded,I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (16:30):
No, no, it's good, and with like you say it's
woo-woo, but musicians alwaystalk about how you know songs
come together in you know, onesitting or one session, and it
just, you know, we startedwriting and then you know, we
wrote it in an hour.
Like it all it makes a lot ofsense.
SPEAKER_02 (16:46):
Yeah, and we've had we've had like plenty of those
experiences too, where likesometimes a song just fucking
goes.
And and I'll be in, you know,I'll basically what happens is
like you know, the guys willwrite the instruments.
Once I feel pretty good aboutthe instruments, like I'll take
it into another room and I'llyou know just kind of work on
the vocals for a while.
And sometimes that process,usually that process takes a
(17:07):
couple of days for one song.
Uh, but there have been timeswhere I've gone and sat down for
30 minutes and come back with afull fucking song and and
nothing changes about it at all,just is there.
Um, so yeah, it's it's reallyinteresting the fact that like
some just come immediately,others I wrestle with for days
or weeks on end until we get itright.
SPEAKER_01 (17:29):
It's the joy of the process, as they would they'd
probably say.
Look, yeah.
I'd love to ask before we letyou go as well.
I mean, movements as a band, Ifeel like love a ballad.
Their fans love a bit of aballad, and every album seems to
have that one song that fansjust absolutely cling to.
(17:49):
I mean, you look at Daylily,Seneca as well, and I feel like
even in ruckus, tightrope alittle bit had that same
quality.
Listening to Happier Now,Fragile Hands, I'm gonna pick as
the little the little dark horseto be the ones that fan the one
that fans cling to.
What can you tell us about thatsong?
It feels like quite a specialone in the album.
SPEAKER_02 (18:11):
Yeah, dude, Fragile Hands was crazy, actually.
There's a really interestingstory behind Fragile Hands.
And so Ira, our guitar player,he um and his wife, they have
two beautiful little girls.
They're so so adorable.
One who is, I think, just turnedtwo, and the other who's uh
(18:33):
maybe like six months old now.
Um but uh his his older hisolder daughter, her name is
Benny, and there was this daythat she was just randomly like
singing a song that she had madeup, like just had completely
made up.
They don't know where she gotit, how it came about, nothing.
(18:53):
It was just like this weirdthing that she kept singing.
And they're like, What are yousinging?
Like, what it what is that?
They took a video of it, and itwas her, and she was singing
something about like our handsare fragile or something, and
and and we had this recording,and I was like, dude, she's kind
of spitting bars right now.
Like, what is she saying, andhow did she come up with this?
(19:16):
He's like, I don't know, bro.
And I was like, fuck it, I'mgonna turn it into a song.
And I just like kind of tookthat.
I took like those the words thatshe was saying, I shaped them a
little bit, I I added my ownspin on stuff, I applied it to
my life, and I was like, wegotta track, dude.
Like, and and I wasn't reallyeven sure how people were gonna
like that song because that wasone that I had actually kind of
(19:38):
like demoed out.
Um I've been like learning howto produce over the last year.
I'm really, really bad at itstill, but I've been learning
because I wanted to be able tobe a little bit more
self-sufficient in like my mywriting process to not have to
rely on other people if I have asong idea.
Like this way I can just belike, I have this idea, let me
go fucking track it down reallyquick in my bedroom on my laptop
(20:01):
and like fucking singingwhatever, and we'll have a good
thing, something to listen to.
Um, that was like one of thefirst tracks that I had like
produced where I was like, okay,I have this idea.
It kind of reminds me in someways of like Deathcap for Cutie.
It's like a little weird, it's alittle different, has like the
Cynthia part in it, but I'mgonna show it to the guys and
(20:23):
see what they think.
And everybody was down for it.
They're like, Yeah, this isfucking cool.
Uh, and we ended up making itthe track, and it was crazy
because like all of thatcollaboration, me trying
something new, Ira having hisdaughter Benny like kind of like
bring her soul into that side ofit was just like it was really
interesting, it was really fun.
Um, and yeah, it became a songthat we all love a lot, and uh I
(20:45):
hope I hope that the audiencealso feels that too.
SPEAKER_01 (20:48):
I reckon they will, and that's that's unreal.
Benny's now immortalized inmovement folklore.
That's that's so sick.
Yeah, it's so sick, dude.
Youngest songwriter of all time.
Hell yeah.
And one last question we've gotfrom our listeners.
I mean, our South Americanlisteners will be able to catch
movements on Warp Tour inSeptember, just in time for the
(21:09):
album release.
But for our Australianlisteners, I mean, we saw you
open for Pierce Savale not toolong ago, but can we start
believing in a movementsheadliner anytime soon?
SPEAKER_02 (21:19):
Yeah, I think that is the the next logical step for
us in Australia is coming backand doing a big headliner,
especially coming off with theback of the PTV tour.
Like we played to more people inAustralia than we have ever
played to in our entire lives onthat tour.
Like it was it was so insane.
The amount of people that wereat those fucking shows was
(21:41):
unbelievable.
Um, and if we've learnedanything from touring with
Peercevale in the past, it'sthat their fan base is so
fucking dedicated, dude, andthey just like ride so hard for
every band that is within Peerceof Eil's like sphere, their fans
are gonna latch on to.
And so we expect to see a lot offans from a lot of new fans who
(22:04):
we we played to at those showsuh coming out the next time that
we come through, or at leastthat's the hope, you know, that
that they'll have have foundsome sort of love for us in
those moments and want to comesupport us as a band next time
that we're over thereheadlining.
And um, yeah, I mean it it ithappened in the United States
when we toured with them, whenwe toured with Pierce in 2016.
(22:25):
You know, we had tons of peoplefor the last decade who still
come up to us are like, youknow, hey, we we know about you
because we saw you with PierceAvail, like that sort of shit.
So I'm really, really hopefulthat that's also going to be our
experience in Australia and thatwe could just start playing some
bigger shows as headliners andbring out some bands that we
really want to bring out.
Shout out Bloom, those are thehomies.
(22:46):
I want, you know, I want to dosome shit with them.
And uh yeah, so we'll see, man.
Uh, but I I think that's the thelogical, the logical next step.
SPEAKER_01 (22:55):
Love it.
Well, give yourself some credit.
I know plenty of people thatwere going to the piss of our
shows just to see you guys.
So, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (23:01):
I appreciate that.
Yeah, that's nice to hear.
SPEAKER_01 (23:04):
Well, if you are tuning in to this episode, make
sure to keep your eyes peeledfor Happier Now Movements, brand
new album dropping September4th.
And make sure to go and streamall four singles wherever you
get your music.
Pat, thanks so much for takingthe time to chat.
Dude, thank you so much againfor having me.
I really appreciate it.
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