Parenthood

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SPEAKER_00 (00:09):
When you're slamming in the first and you're feeling
something first, diarrhea.
Diarrhea.
When you're slamming in thethird and you do the third
diarrhea.
Diarrhea.
When you're slamming in the homeand your shirt full of home,
diarrhea.
Diarrhea.
When you're sitting in yourChevy and your shirt feeling

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heavy, diarrhea.
Diarrhea.
Kevin, honey, where'd you learnthat song?
Last summer at camp, huh?

SPEAKER_02 (00:37):
Ah, that was money well spent.
Hello and welcome to 80s moviemontage.
This is Derek.

SPEAKER_01 (00:43):
And this is Anna.

SPEAKER_02 (00:44):
And that was Mary Steenbergen, Steve Martin, and
of course, the kid singing AllAbout Diarrhea, Jason Fisher, in
1989's Parenthood.

SPEAKER_01 (00:55):
Nothing but class on this podcast with pulling that
clip.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01):
I mean, the movie started and I knew what I had to
do.

unknown (01:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04):
Because that is literally the opening credits.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07):
That was the one thing that I mentioned on the
tail end of the last episodethat I like remembered about
this movie.
If I had ever seen it in full, Idon't remember if I did or not.
But that's all you're not.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19):
Did you did you just like see the very opening and
then they're like, nah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22):
No, I think just as a kid, that's the thing that
stuck is that song.

SPEAKER_02 (01:27):
So like I think the diarrhea song is a classic.

SPEAKER_01 (01:30):
I definitely remember being at a friend's
house and then singing it.
And I yeah.
So anyway, Parenthood, 1989.
And wow.
Uh we had a lot of people to getthrough on this.

SPEAKER_02 (01:45):
If this movie didn't have this cast, it would be a
lifetime movie that you wouldhave never watched.

SPEAKER_01 (01:51):
And we talked about that after watching it.
It's an interesting film becausewell, it spawned two television
series.
So that to me shows that I thinkit it plays better as I'm not
saying I don't like this movie,but like I think it plays better
as a TV show.

SPEAKER_02 (02:11):
You can like do more with these like individual
stories.
Exactly.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (02:16):
Because there's so many people in this movie that
they're they're all interesting,but and we'll we'll get into
some of the like details, butsome of them get a little bit
short shrift because there'sjust not enough time to like get
into everybody's stories in ameaningful way.
Yeah.
So anyway, uh so let's startwith the writers, the people who

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who uh did or didn't give shortshrift to to the characters.
Um so it is a very well-knownwriting duo, and we have talked
about them before.
Will we talk about them again?
Maybe.
Yeah, actually, we probablywill.
Um, so the first Lowell Gans.
So both of these uh gentlemenhave story and screenplay

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credits.
Also, I will give a quick shoutout to the director because he
has a story credit, but in anycase.

SPEAKER_02 (03:06):
Um he had the uh story of like, okay, so here's
my pitch.
There are these people withkids.

SPEAKER_01 (03:13):
Yeah, that's it.
My guess is that, like, becauseHoward, so not to like bury the
lead or anything, Ron Howard'sthe director of this film.
We've talked about him a lot.

SPEAKER_03 (03:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (03:23):
And he works with these two guys a ton.
So my guess is that there wassome kind of like, hey, we
should do a movie about blah,blah, blah.
And then Howard's like, go writethe script.
So that makes sense.
That's that's my interpretationof what happened to make this
show business happen.
That's show business.
So as far as um, wow, yeah, Imean, crazy credit list, just

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hit after hit.
Um, he started in television.
I'm trying to see, because Iremember that there's like okay,
so he has a couple more creditsthan his partner.
So um Mandel, I'll kind of goover more quickly.
Sorry, Mandel.
But as far as credits go, a fairmix of TV and film, although a
lot more TV earlier in hiscareer.

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He started on The Odd Couple,probably met Ron Howard on Happy
Days.

SPEAKER_02 (04:15):
Probably, because I don't see a credit for the Andy
Griffith show.

SPEAKER_01 (04:19):
Yeah, exactly.
Nice call out.
Uh so now I don't think this wasthe first time, because like,
let's see, how many movies havewe covered that they've written?
Maybe it was the first timeNight Shift might have been the
first one that we did.

SPEAKER_02 (04:34):
I can't remember the order of that in Splash.

SPEAKER_01 (04:37):
Splash uh now I'm thinking about Splash is
probably first.
Okay, so Night Shift, um, moretelevision.
We have the new odd couple.
Uh so like a couple spin-offsfrom these original shows.
Laverne and Shirley, Joni LosChachi.

SPEAKER_02 (04:51):
17 episodes total.
Was that is that what he wrote,or is that like as long as I
don't know how long that showlasted.

SPEAKER_01 (04:57):
I don't think it went more.
It could have been its entirefirst season.
I don't know if it even went twoseasons.

SPEAKER_02 (05:02):
It's a spin-off of a series that is known for the
phrase jumping the shark.

SPEAKER_01 (05:07):
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
So you mentioned it a minuteago.
He is one of the creditedwriters for Splash, which
actually got an Oscar nominationfor best original screenplay.

SPEAKER_02 (05:19):
That's crazy because that movie, it feels like it.
I mean, we talked about this inthe episode, that it it feels
kind of forgotten.

SPEAKER_01 (05:26):
Yeah, and I mean, one thing that like probably if
anybody is a consistent listenerof this podcast, probably
they're getting sick of mebringing up the fact that like
that kind of film, I love thefact that it was nominated for
best original screenplay.
A film like that would never getnominated for best original
screenplay nowadays.

SPEAKER_02 (05:45):
No, no.

SPEAKER_01 (05:46):
Yeah, and it and that irks me.
It irks me that like that typeof fair does not get the same
kind of attention that it did 40years ago.
But here we are.
Uh Spies Like Us, which maybewe'll do this year, maybe later.
I gotta spread that out.

SPEAKER_02 (06:00):
Otherwise, we're definitely going to, but maybe
this year.

SPEAKER_01 (06:03):
Yeah, yeah.
I think I I have it in thequeue, but I think I had it
sooner than later, but maybe wegotta spread it out a little
bit.

SPEAKER_02 (06:08):
Did we do that before or after Modern Problems,
that weird fever dream ChevyChase movie?
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (06:15):
That one will come even later, I guess.
Gung Ho, which spawned a TVseries.
Yeah.
Uh City Slicker.
So now we're, I think we'regetting into the 90s, City
Slickers, as well as the sequel,The Legend of Curly's Gold.
So the first TV series,Parenthood.
So he's credited right on that.
A League of Their Own.

SPEAKER_02 (06:35):
Did he so he wrote on that or it was based on uh
you know what?

SPEAKER_01 (06:39):
I didn't do a deep dive.
It could just say likecharacters.

SPEAKER_02 (06:42):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (06:42):
So um, but yeah, I feel like at this juncture in
his career, probably wasn'twriting on a TV show.
Possibly.
Um, but we have A League ofTheir Own, Mr.
Saturday Night.
A League of Their Own spawned.
So many of these films spawnedtelevision series.

SPEAKER_02 (07:00):
I forgot that there was a series for that, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (07:02):
There was not only one, there was two.
So this might be a record forcovering writers who have
spawned television series oftheir films that not only
spawned one television series,two television series.

SPEAKER_02 (07:16):
That is impressive.

SPEAKER_01 (07:17):
Uh so yes, A League of Their Own, the films
Multiplicity, Ed TV, Where theHeart Is.
And then more recently, therewere re uh reboots.
I don't know, but I guess so.
Reboots, uh, the new well, it'snot new, it's already off the
air and it's been off the air,but there was another parenthood
TV show, and there was another,this is more recently.

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This is like what, maybe acouple years ago?
Uh, the TV series The League ofTheir Own.

SPEAKER_02 (07:42):
There's literally no shortage of potential parenthood
shows.

SPEAKER_01 (07:47):
Yeah, it's a pretty universal experience for a lot
of people, not us, but I can'tbelieve he didn't bring up his
uh classic.

SPEAKER_02 (07:55):
I think I don't know if he wrote or if it was a story
by.
You watched about the first fiveminutes of this film, and then
you just had to tap out CindyLauper and Jeff Goldblum in
Vibes.
Sure.

SPEAKER_01 (08:08):
Yeah, I didn't write that down.

SPEAKER_02 (08:09):
I I forgot, like I saw that in the theater, and
then we were I just like put iton.
I'm like, oh, I forgot.
This is really almostunwatchably bad.

SPEAKER_01 (08:19):
It's pretty bad.
Maybe one day I'll go back toit.
Um vibes.
Vibes.
Okay, so moving on to hiswriting partner, Babaloo Mandel.

SPEAKER_02 (08:28):
Who?

SPEAKER_01 (08:28):
Babaloo.
Isn't that just the best name?

SPEAKER_02 (08:31):
It is a pretty fucking cool name.

SPEAKER_01 (08:33):
Such a great name, Babaloo.
Uh now, let me look at this listhere just to make sure.
So I can't say that everythingthat I listed for Mandel is the
same, or I'm sorry, that Ilisted for Gans is the same for
Mandel, but I'm gonna reallyquickly because he's short a
couple credits.

SPEAKER_02 (08:48):
Well, I can tell you that Vibes is still on there.

SPEAKER_01 (08:50):
Vibes is still on there.
Okay, so let's go over the onesthat he also shares.
Laverne and Shirley, Happy Days,Night Shift, Splash.
So he is an Oscar nominatedwriter.
Spies Like Us, Gung Ho.
Oh, I see where the the um dipis.
Uh yeah, so Gung Ho, Gung Ho theTV series, City Slickers, The
Legend of Curly's Gold,Parenthood, the TV series, A

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League of Their Own, Mr.
Saturday Night, um, the TVseries, A League of Their Own,
Multiplicity.
Oh, wait, there is a lot of thesame ones.
What are the things?
There sure is.
What did he miss?
Ed TV, where the heart is.
I'm trying to figure out whichones he didn't have.
Parenthood, a league of theirown.
So which ones are missing here?
Oh, it's uh a couple of thespin-offs.

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So Joni Love Chachi um isn'tthere, the new odd couple and
the odd couple.
That's that's what's the that'sthe shortage of the three
between the two of them.
Okay.
And then as mentioned, RonHoward.
So he's a story by credit.
He is far more known, I wouldsay, as a director, and maybe by
some people actor, um, thanscreenwriter.

SPEAKER_02 (09:57):
I think if you if you identify Ron Howard as an
actor, that for sure yes, itdoes.
Um isn't it great what thatlittle Ronnie did?

SPEAKER_01 (10:09):
But a couple of his strictly speaking writing
credits include the film GrandTheft Auto.
Um, he does probably because ofthis film have two writing
credits for each of theparenthood shows, Far and Away.
And then actually, very recentlythe film Eden.
Oh, interesting.
Okay.
Okay, now moving on to RonHoward as the director.

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Um we've talked about him a lot.
And let's see here.
Yeah.
There's probably one other filmthat we might cover with him.
Really?
Okay.
Um at some point, I would say.
So he had an amazing 80s.
That's why we've brought him upso much.

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And in a lot of ways, um thegreat success that he had in the
80s kind of reminds me.
Um what were you you know I'mgonna say, Rob Reiner?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They both had a really great80s.
And I think at some point umwe'll have to do a tribute

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episode to Reiner.
We've covered so many though ofReiner's 80s.

SPEAKER_02 (11:18):
We've covered Spinal Tap, Princess Bride, uh, Stand
By Me.

SPEAKER_01 (11:22):
Yeah, we've cov we covered the the huge hits.
I think we can do a fun one withthe sure thing.
Yeah.
So I I think I have that in mycue as well.
But uh moving back to Howard, sohe directed Grand Theft Auto.
So the films that we've alreadycovered with him, it's like
boom, boom, boom, Night Shift.
Oh, yeah.
We've done that one.

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Uh Splash, probably the mostrecent one that we've done is
Cocoon.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (11:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (11:51):
So, and actually last season we covered a couple
because we also did Willow.

SPEAKER_02 (11:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (11:56):
The one that I'm thinking of that's still very
much a possibility is Gung Ho.
Yeah.
So we could do that one at somepoint.
Now we're moving into the 90s.
And also, so this isinteresting.
Maybe this has come up in allthe many times we've talked
about him.
There's definitely a shift tosome degree in what he the
projects he was choosing to takeon, because obviously the ones

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that we've covered, they'realmost entirely uh Cocoon is
more serious, but um, a lot ofcomedies.
Willow is a little bit, maybeWillow's a tiny bit of an
indicator of where he was goingbecause now we're getting into
as far as the 90s go, a lot ofaction and a lot of adventure
films.
So we have backdraft, Far andAway, Apollo 13, Ed TV.

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So that is bringing him back tokind of his comedy roots.
Um, how the this is definitely alittle bit outside of his normal
fair, How the Grinch StoleChristmas.

SPEAKER_02 (12:50):
Which was that the Jim Carrey one?

SPEAKER_01 (12:52):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (12:52):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (12:52):
Yeah.
And now we're getting into hislike Oscar phase.
So he wins, he gets doubleOscars.
He wins best director and hewins best pitcher for A
Beautiful Mind.

SPEAKER_02 (13:03):
That was a good movie.

SPEAKER_01 (13:05):
He routines with uh Oh, with Russell Crowe.
Russell Crowe for CinderellaMan.

SPEAKER_02 (13:10):
Yep.

SPEAKER_01 (13:11):
And now he gets into his um weird hair phase.
Yeah, I well, you're thinking ofTom Hanks, right?

SPEAKER_02 (13:18):
The hair and Da Vinci code.
I just assume he made thatdecision for him.

SPEAKER_01 (13:23):
He made the decision for him.

SPEAKER_02 (13:24):
Isn't that what directors do?

SPEAKER_01 (13:26):
They're like But yeah, possibly.
Possibly.
Um I'm just laughing because Ithink well, I shouldn't say I
think I know.
We've talked about the fact thatfor whatever reason It's such a
soothing movie.
It's such a and it's not, butit's like become a weird what a
cozy movie.
A weird, cozy movie for us.

SPEAKER_02 (13:45):
When the albino just starts like whipping himself
until he bleeds.

SPEAKER_01 (13:49):
It's just, you know, it's so weird.
It's so weird that we just likelike if it's and it I think part
is it's on TV all the time.
It's on TV a ton.

SPEAKER_02 (14:00):
It is, and like anything that Ian McKellen is in
also has like a certain likefeel to it, even though he's
kind of an asshole in thatmovie.

SPEAKER_01 (14:07):
No, definitely he is.
Um anyway, he directs it in thatentire trilogy.

SPEAKER_02 (14:13):
So I've never seen either of the other two movies.

SPEAKER_01 (14:17):
I don't need to.

SPEAKER_02 (14:18):
They got like the they changed the order of like
the books in the movies.
Yeah, so I just saw the firstand that was good.

SPEAKER_01 (14:25):
Yeah, I mean, look, there's a whole different
conversation around that movieas far as like historically like
uh what uh Dan Brown, I think,is the writer of the books.
Um, and just you know, thebacklash he got for I I don't
actually I have not done a deepenough dive to say with any
authority if this is all justtotal fiction on his part or if

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he actually thinks there's somebelief to the story that he put
forth.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (14:52):
I think he said that he feels they're as accurate as
the book it was based off of.

SPEAKER_01 (14:56):
Interesting.
Oh I just made that up.

SPEAKER_02 (15:00):
Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 (15:00):
Um anyway.
The Da Vinci Code, Angels andDemons and Inferno.
So he returns to Oscar Fair.
He gets the same nominations.
Unfortunately, he doesn't win,but he does get nominated for
best director as well as bestpitcher.
So he's producing on these filmsfor Frost Nixon.

SPEAKER_02 (15:19):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (15:19):
He does Rush.

SPEAKER_02 (15:21):
Uh and that might be the one of the only like car
racing movies that I have notseen.

SPEAKER_01 (15:26):
Getting into the car racing movies lately.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (15:29):
Saw F1, saw Grant Turismo.

SPEAKER_01 (15:31):
Many of them, I don't care about them at all.

SPEAKER_02 (15:33):
Because the fun you want to talk about, Cozy.
If you see one of those movies,you've seen every one.

SPEAKER_01 (15:39):
Yeah.
I will say that I can't for somereason I keep seeing because I
think it's also on TV a lot.
Um, what's the one with MattDamon and Christian Bale?

SPEAKER_02 (15:48):
Ford versus Ferrari.

SPEAKER_01 (15:49):
Okay.
Yeah.
I keep somehow catching thatfilm when it's at the scene.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (15:55):
Where Ford starts crying.

SPEAKER_01 (15:57):
Exactly.
For some reason, it's the onlypart of the movie I've ever
seen.
Um, but yeah, so he directedRush and then he reteams with
Hemsworth for In the Heart ofthe Sea.
He we talked about this, so hewas not the original director of
solo a Star Wars story.
There was a falling out betweenthe two.
I don't remember their names,but it was a duo.

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They were taken off the project.
I think it was very big of himto step in because he's he's a
like a list director, and hecomes in and I I did not mind
the movie.
Were those did that come outwhile the trilogy like the
sequel trilogy was still in so Ithink I might be wrong, and I'm

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gonna I don't want fuckingpitchforks coming after me, but
um I think it came out between AForce Awakens and The Last Jedi.

SPEAKER_02 (16:48):
Oh, okay, so possibly because I feel like
people felt a certain way aboutsolo and then they got the rest
of the sequel trilogy, and thenthey realized how good they had
it with solo.

SPEAKER_01 (16:58):
Yeah, it's not a bad film.
So he did Hillbilly Elogy, JimHenson Idea Man, and then I
mentioned it a minute ago.
I think it's 2000 or um 2024, hedid Eden.
Okay.
Okay.
Moving on to have we covered himbefore?
We have, but it's been a minute.
Donald McElpine.

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He is the DP on this film.
He's still with us, he's aboutto turn 92 as of this recording.
I think he well, wait, wait aminute.
You know what?
He was working up until 2023, sohe may not be retired, uh which
is extremely impressive.

SPEAKER_02 (17:39):
Well done.

SPEAKER_01 (17:40):
So I have all films for him.
Uh he's had a really interestingcareer.
I think he's Australian becausea couple of his older films, um
I think The Angry or The OddAngry Shot, My Brilliant Career,
Don't Cry, It's Only Thunder,which I thought was an
interesting title.
Moscow on the Hudson.

SPEAKER_02 (18:00):
Oh, with uh Robin Williams.

SPEAKER_01 (18:01):
Correct.

SPEAKER_02 (18:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (18:03):
Down and Out in Beverly Hills.
We could definitely cover thatone at some point.
So the one that we've coveredwith him, which is already a
couple seasons ago, is Predator.

SPEAKER_02 (18:10):
Wow.
Okay.
Right?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (18:12):
So go check that one out.
Uh he did the I always find thisreally interesting when they
bring back the same DP for umfranchise film.
So he did Patriot Games and thenhe comes back for Clear and
Present Danger.
So he shot both those.

SPEAKER_02 (18:26):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (18:27):
They do have, I mean, you can Oh, they're very
they look the same.

SPEAKER_02 (18:31):
Yes.
Right?
Not not in a bad way, but theyjust have like the same look and
feel to them.

SPEAKER_01 (18:35):
100%.
Uh he did Mrs.
Doubtfire, and then he does alot of um, he did a couple Boz
Lerman films.
So he did Romeo plus Juliet, um,going by the the stylization of
the title.

SPEAKER_02 (18:48):
The mathematics of it.

SPEAKER_01 (18:49):
Exactly.
He did Stepmom, and then heactually is an Oscar-nominated
cinematographer.
He got so another Luhrman film,he got that nomination for
Moulin Rouge.
Mm.
Okay.
So he did that.
Anger Management, I mean, he'sall over the place with like
genre and uh he did X-Men'sorigin, Colin Wolverine.

SPEAKER_02 (19:09):
Yeah, that was that was a movie.
That was a movie.
I think was that the one thatinspired Ryan Reynolds to like
take over the Deadpool stuff?

SPEAKER_03 (19:20):
Oh.

SPEAKER_02 (19:20):
Or was he in that?
He was in one of those.
I can't remember which which umit was it was one of like the
Wolverine spin-offs, I thought,where he was like Wolverine with
his mouth shown sewn shut, whichis like a really interesting
thing to do to a character mostknown for his snarky comments.
Anyways.

SPEAKER_01 (19:37):
Okay, interesting.
I didn't I didn't know thatstory.
Um he reteems with Harrison Fordfor Ender's Game.
I remember somebody write so notyou would be shocked, I think,
to know that I read that book,because I am not sci- like you
are the sci-fi person.

SPEAKER_02 (19:55):
I've not read it, but I've seen the movie, and so
like I thought about, but yeah,no.

SPEAKER_01 (20:00):
It it was an interesting book.
I could guess the ending.

SPEAKER_02 (20:04):
Yeah, you I could see that.

SPEAKER_01 (20:06):
It it was pretty obvious once it became like.
Yeah, I could see the twistcoming.
Um, but so he shot that, andthen the one from 2023 is I do
not know this one, but it'scalled The Portable Door.
Okay, uh moving on to we coulddefinitely cover him again.
It's kind of shocking in a waythat we haven't covered him yet.

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Randy Newman! Yeah.
So he did the music, and forthis film, so this film is an
Oscar nominated film in twocategories.
One is Best Original Song, whichwas his nomination for I Love to
See You Smile.

SPEAKER_02 (20:43):
Really?
Yeah.
Okay, yeah.
That yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (20:46):
Yeah, you got an Oscar nom for that.
Um I don't think it's playedmaybe the instrumental.
I don't think that song, Ididn't clock it being played
during the movie, but it playsover the closing credits.

SPEAKER_02 (21:00):
I think it's maybe the I think it is in there at
least one of their somewhere.
Yeah.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (21:06):
Um, so oh my goodness, Randy Newman.
This whole Newman family, man,they are crazy talented.
Um, I think he's the cousin ofDavid Newman, right?
Who we've seen a concert.
I think I think so.
It's it's the whole family.
This whole family is crazytalented.
All right.
So since we haven't brought himup before, buckle in um because

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this guy is a prolific uhcomposer.
And I am going to, because look,the the one other film, and I
don't think we're gonna do itthis year, The Natural.
He he worked on the natural, sohe will come up again at some
point.
But I want to take thisopportunity to just go over what
an amazing career this guy hashad.

(21:50):
Okay.
So here we go.
And I try to, because his careeris so prolific, to some degree,
I try to whittle down.
Anything that didn't have Oscarnominations or wins, but here we
go.
So he gets his firstnominations, double nominations
for best original score and bestoriginal song for ragtime.

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He then works on the natural forwhich he also gets a best
original score nomination.

SPEAKER_02 (22:16):
It is a good yeah, it's a good score.

SPEAKER_01 (22:18):
He, I mean, he was like boom, boom, boom, because I
think these films areconsecutive by year.
He also gets a best originalscore for Avalon.
He works on Awakenings.
He gets so now we're moving intothe 90s.
He gets a best original songOscar Nom for the paper.
He works on Maverick.

SPEAKER_02 (22:36):
Great movie.

SPEAKER_01 (22:37):
So here is probably he's part of a couple
franchises.
And actually it's reallyinteresting because he largely
moved into more family fair.
Uh and and even more strictlyspeaking, like animation.
That's where he's gotten a lotof success.
Namely with the Toy Storyfranchise.

(22:57):
Big time.
So this is what is fascinatingto me.
I'm gonna go through all of hisnominations and wins for this
franchise all in one group.
So he gets nominated for bestoriginal score and song for the
first Toy Story.
He gets another best originalsong nomination for Toy Story 2.

(23:18):
He gets his first win, though,for Toy Story 3, Best Original
Song for the song We BelongTogether.
And then he gets anothernomination for Best Original
Song for Toy Story Four.
Wow.
So every single one of them thatand there's a five on the way,
right?
I don't I don't know.
I think there's a five on theway.

SPEAKER_02 (23:38):
Like I literally did not know that Randy Newman had
this filmography that he hadbeen involved in a lot of these
movies that I have like seen aton of times and really loved
the music because I've onlyassociated him with that song
from parenthood, the Toy Storymovies, and I Love LA.

SPEAKER_01 (23:56):
I think that's what a lot of people know him from.
And that's not nothing.

SPEAKER_02 (24:02):
But I didn't realize that he's part of so many other
things.

SPEAKER_01 (24:07):
I think it's because what's interesting about his
work is that he is like he'skind of like uh antithetical to
like a guy like Han Zimmer.

SPEAKER_02 (24:19):
Yes, like even John Williams, you kind of recognize
a John Williams score.
You recognize a Han Zimmerscore.

SPEAKER_01 (24:26):
I think though, and here's what I maybe still
appreciate about his work, um,or the fact that he's getting
recognized, is that like youhave people like Zimmer who
Zimmer is like what?
He's um what's his name?
Go-to guy nowadays.
Oh, Chris Nolan.

SPEAKER_03 (24:39):
Yes.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (24:40):
So there is a very elevated, high cinema type of
sound.

SPEAKER_02 (24:48):
It's meant to evoke a certain like sense or feeling.
Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (24:53):
And that's totally fine because I love so many of
his scores.
My favorite Han Zimmer score isThin Red Line.
Um, but there he does a certaintype of music that's very
elevated, very cinematic.

SPEAKER_02 (25:05):
Interstellar's good.
Interstellar's great.
Inception.

SPEAKER_01 (25:08):
Inception's another one of my favorites.
Newman is kind of like the everyperson's composer and is a
little bit more grounded in justkind of what I feel is like a
more kind of everyday type ofmusic for different films.
And I love that he keeps gettingrecognized for that.

SPEAKER_02 (25:25):
No, I'm I'm I'm impressed when I'm looking at
all the titles here because heit seems like he's like really
adept at fitting a score to amovie.

SPEAKER_01 (25:34):
1000%.
And we're only halfway througheverything.

SPEAKER_02 (25:36):
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 (25:37):
So, okay, to keep it going, uh he gets his best, or
he gets his next, I should say,best original score nomination
for James and the Giant Peach.
He gets a b another bestoriginal score nom for
Pleasantville.

SPEAKER_03 (25:50):
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (25:51):
Again, he just goes on this run of nominations.
He gets another best originalscore nomination for A Bug's
Life.
So he wasn't the composer onBabe Pick in the City, but he
did get a best original songOscar nomination for that film.
So just to differentiate.
All right.
He gets another best originalsong Oscar nom for Meet the

(26:12):
Parents.
He also composes on Meet theFalkers.
Now we're getting into anotherfranchise, Monsters Inc.
So uh he gets his next win.
So he got double nominationsthat year.
He got best original score andbest original song.
He won for best original songfor If I didn't have you.
He also composed on MonstersUniversity.

(26:34):
He uh gosh, there's anotherfranchise coming up.
He composes on Seabiscuit.

SPEAKER_02 (26:39):
Oh yeah, I bet I know what one's coming up.

SPEAKER_01 (26:41):
Name it.

SPEAKER_02 (26:42):
Cars.

SPEAKER_01 (26:43):
Yeah.
Good job.
So he gets another best originalsong Oscar nom for the first
film.
He also works on Cars 3.
I double-checked, I did not seehim listed for Cars 2.

SPEAKER_02 (26:52):
So Well, everyone needs a vacation.

SPEAKER_01 (26:55):
Yeah.
He gets another best originalsong nomination for The Princess
and the Frog.
And then talk about a pivot.
His most recent best originalscore Oscar nomination is for
Marriage Story.
So he goes from all these kittyfilms to this like highly
dramatic adult marriage storymovie.

SPEAKER_02 (27:14):
Was that the one with uh Kylo Wren and Black
Widow?

SPEAKER_01 (27:18):
That's it.
Okay.
Way to go.
Way to go.
And just to confirm, yes, RandyNewman and David Newman are
cousins, and they, as it says onGoogle, belonging to the
renowned Newman Hollywoodmusical dynasty.

SPEAKER_02 (27:32):
Yeah, no, they're it legitimately is that.

SPEAKER_01 (27:34):
Isn't that crazy?
Yeah.
It's crazy.
Okay.
Uh moving on to film editing.
We have brought so Howard didnot pull in all the same people
that he's worked on with onother films, but a lot of them
he did.
One of them is Daniel P.
Hanley.
Um, actually, there's twoeditors.

(27:57):
And they were very similar toscreenwriters.
They worked on a lot together.
Uh so Hanley, let's see.
Okay.
So Hanley has a couple extracredits um in comparison to his
partner, but he worked onLaverne and Shirley, so that's
probably where he met RonHoward.

SPEAKER_02 (28:17):
Remember when they moved to LA?
Were they like in Milwaukee orsomething?

SPEAKER_01 (28:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (28:21):
They worked at a beer factory.
Yeah.
And they moved to Los Angeles.

SPEAKER_01 (28:24):
Was it both of them?

SPEAKER_02 (28:27):
Yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_01 (28:28):
Both of them moved to LA?

SPEAKER_02 (28:30):
That's like a feels like a you don't see that in
shows much anymore where they'rejust like, guess what?
We're in a new city.

SPEAKER_01 (28:36):
I mean, the closest I can think of is like in Sex in
the City, they had a mini arc ofCarrie and the girls coming out
to LA for something.
Sure.
So, but could you imagine iflike in Sex in the City they all
just moved to LA?
It would, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (28:53):
I could not imagine that.

SPEAKER_01 (28:57):
All right.
So Hanley, like I said, Laverneand Shirley.
So here are again some of thefilms we've already talked about
with him.
Night Shift, Splash, Cocoon.
He also worked on Gung Ho.
He did, so he's not exclusive toHoward.
He worked on Pet Cemetery, buthe did uh collaborate with him
again on Willow.
He did Problem Child.
They collaborate again for aseries of films, Backdraft, Far

(29:19):
and Away.
He is an Oscar-winning editor.
He gets his win for Apollo 13.
That'll do it.
Much deserved.
He worked on In N Out at TV.
Um, so a pretty consistentcollaboration with Howard.
How the Grinch Stole Christmas.
He gets a couple morenominations.
He gets a nomination for ABeautiful Mind as well as
Cinderella Man.

(29:40):
Uh, he works on the Da VinciCode trilogy with Howard.
He gets another Oscar nominationfor Frost Nixon.
And his last two credits, Ithink I don't think I missed
anything more recent.
Rush and in the heart of thesea.

SPEAKER_02 (29:54):
I don't know what was going on in 1984, but in
those in that year, he worked ona couple interesting flicks:
Summer Fantasy and ObsessiveLove.

SPEAKER_01 (30:03):
Oh, nice.

SPEAKER_02 (30:04):
Those two just like kind of they stand out in
contrast.
Obsessive Love and Apollo 13.

SPEAKER_01 (30:11):
So his partner for pretty much all these films,
Mike Hill.
Unfortunately, he's passed away.
He passed away in 2023.
And I do have anything thatHanley worked on with a couple
exceptions I have for Hill.
So I don't have Lil BrennanShirley for him, but he did
Night Shift, Splash, Cocoon,Gung Ho, Pet Cemetery, Willow,

(30:32):
Problem Child, Backdraft, Farand Away.
He also shared in that Oscar winfor Apollo 13.
Okay.
Ed TV, How the Grinch StoleChristmas.
And he also shared in the sameOscar nominations.
So he too got nominated for ABeautiful Mind, Cinderella Man,
Frost Nixon.
Uh oh, okay.
So he only worked on um Da VinciCode and Angels and Demons.

(30:52):
I didn't have Inferno for him.
I don't think I skipped that.
Okay.
Um Rush and In the Heart of theSea.

SPEAKER_02 (30:58):
So And I know just because you were curious, he did
work on Obsessive Love, but notSummer Fantasy.

SPEAKER_01 (31:05):
Okay, so it feels like we've gone through a lot
already.
So is there a cast in thismovie?
We are finally at this cast, andwe have a dozen different
people.
It it is the craziest cast.
It is stacked.

SPEAKER_02 (31:23):
It is.

SPEAKER_01 (31:23):
Uh there's not a single person I think that
people well, maybe the grandma,but um it's fair.

SPEAKER_02 (31:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (31:30):
It is wild, all the names in this film.
Starting with Steve Martin.
And it's been a minute sincewe've talked about Martin.
Um he's still very much working.
I mean, I still am a big fan ofOnly Murders in the Building.
I'm not sure how much life thatshow still has, but um I I'll

(31:53):
still watch it, but I'll stillwatch it.

SPEAKER_02 (31:57):
I I mean, oh, it's it feels like it was a great
idea that's just getting likespread as thin as it could
possibly could at this point.

SPEAKER_01 (32:04):
Because they're trying to do this thing now
where it's like, okay, how manymurders could we actually have
in the same complex?

SPEAKER_03 (32:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (32:11):
But how do we still keep the murder connected to the
complex?
Yeah.
So they're getting a little I'mnot gonna say loosey-goosey.
I get it.
I get what they're trying to do.
But in any case, what a careerthis guy has had, um, largely in
the comedy space.
Um, but he also, I mean, verytalented in other ways.
I know he's a writer.

(32:31):
In fact, one of the films onhere, I think he originated
first the novella, I want tosay.
Uh also, I think a lot of peopleknow he's uh, what, a banjo
player?
Yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_02 (32:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (32:42):
Pretty adept banjo player.
Yeah.
So started out in television.
Uh he, you know what's funny isthat I did not put this down.
I think he does have a creditfor Standing Night Live.
I guess he wasn't as much of awhat do they call them primetime
players as I thought he was.
But he was part of that two wildand crazy guys.

SPEAKER_02 (33:01):
He was one of the wild and crazy guys, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (33:04):
So I thought he was on that show a lot longer than
he was, but he did the wholeKing Tut musical thing.
Yeah, that too.

SPEAKER_02 (33:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (33:10):
That too.
Um, but was that strictlyspeaking SNL?
Or was that just part of hisbit?

SPEAKER_02 (33:15):
I think it was on SNL, but I could be wrong.

SPEAKER_01 (33:18):
Okay.
So uh as far as early TV work, Ihave the Sunny and Chair comedy
hour.
I love that one of his veryearly credits is in the Muppet
movie as insolent waiter.
I think that's very funny.
It kind of reminds me of uhEugene Levy in Spinal Tap.
Isn't he um or is it uh BillyCrystal?

(33:38):
Are they both in it?
Billy Crystal for sure is one ofthe waiters at the party.
Yeah, I misspoke.
I don't think Eugene Levy's init.

SPEAKER_02 (33:45):
He could be.

SPEAKER_01 (33:46):
He, of course, so now all of a sudden he's
headlining all his films.
So the jerk.
We covered Dead Man, Don't WearPlaid.
We did, yeah.
Go that was pretty early.
Um, maybe season two.
Go check that one out.
The Man with Two Brains, All ofMe, Three Amigos.

SPEAKER_02 (34:05):
All of me.
That one cracks me up.
You probably can find the posterfor it if you look online, but
it has like the entire story ison the poster just to tell you
what the fuck this movie'sabout.

SPEAKER_01 (34:16):
Yes, with uh Lily Tomlin, right?

SPEAKER_02 (34:18):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (34:19):
We covered him.
Uh he played, I mean, I actuallyreally like the fact that he
took this role in Little Shop ofHorrors.
He's this really creepy dentist.

SPEAKER_02 (34:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (34:33):
Um, so it's kind of I kind of like that.
And then it's funny because thenhe follows that up with Roxanne.
Big nose.
Which is, yes.
I mean, so it has that like veryobvious comedic element to it,
but he plays it pretty straight.
He does.
Like he's kind of the straightguy in it.
And then probably most recentlywe covered him in planes,
trains, and automobiles.
Yes, for sure.

(34:54):
So he still can have kind of themore altered reality or
heightened reality role, likedirt dirty rotten scoundrels,
but for the most part, he startslike settling in into kind of
more grounded roles, even ifthey're comedic still.
Like this movie.
Yeah.
Uh he does LA Story, Father ofthe Bride, he comes back for

(35:15):
part two, mixed nuts.
This brings him back to kind ofmore slapsticky comedy,
Bowfinger.
Shop girl was the movie that Iwas talking about.
That I think he wrote a novellaof that.

SPEAKER_02 (35:25):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (35:27):
He takes on the role of Inspector Clouseau for The
Pink Panther and its sequel.
And then, as mentioned, hereturns to television for only
murders in the building.

SPEAKER_02 (35:38):
Which I think is like the best thing that I've
seen him in a long time.
Agreed.
You know, like but that's justthose are just like my my
personal taste is not really getthe Pink Panther remakes that he
was in.
Because just because I like I Ikind of like the originals, but
even those like haven't agedsuper well.

(36:00):
If if you like watch those,you're like, holy shit.

SPEAKER_01 (36:02):
I feel like what I'm about to say might get a lot of
people upset.
Pink Panther and its brand ofcomedy reminds me a lot of like
Monty Python.
Yeah.
And just that kind of likealmost absurdist comedy that
isn't really my comedy.

SPEAKER_02 (36:16):
Well, that's the the one of my favorite parts of it
is like, does your dog bite?
No, the dog bites him.
That is not my dog.

SPEAKER_01 (36:24):
Oh, and good job.
Look at that little accent youhad going on.
But yeah, I agree with you.
I really look, even if the plotor stories that they start
presenting in Only Murders beginto like fall off from year to
year, I'll still watch it justbecause of his interactions with
Martin Short.

SPEAKER_03 (36:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (36:43):
Um, what's her name is Gray Two.
But sorry.
Gomez.
Yes, thank you.
Selena Gomez.
She's great too.
But I have to admit that it'sMart it's Martin Steve, but it's
kind of funny that they share aname.
Martin Short and Steve Martin.
Steve Martin Short.
Yeah, Steve Martin Short.
That the way they play off eachother is just I could watch them

(37:07):
all day.
And from what I've heard,they're best friends in real
life.

SPEAKER_02 (37:10):
Yeah, they're like doing fucking credit card
commercials.

SPEAKER_01 (37:14):
So it's really fun to watch them.
And they just seem like they'rehaving a blast.
So, okay.
Moving on to Mary Steinbergen,so she plays his wife, Karen
Buckman.
I mean, their marriage isprobably pretty realistic, my
guess.
When you have three kids and oneon the way, they just seem

(37:35):
harried and exhausted and pulledthin almost the entire time.

SPEAKER_02 (37:41):
They are, but they also like, doesn't it look like
they live like across from likea lake or something?

SPEAKER_01 (37:47):
Yeah, they're supposed to be in um St.
Louis, right?

SPEAKER_02 (37:50):
Is that oh okay.
Well, they go to a Cardinalsgame at the Yeah.
So they're boo.

SPEAKER_01 (37:55):
Um but I was thinking about that because I
was like, I lived in St.
Louis for a couple years, so Iwas like trying to think of
where they could possibly beliving where there's like this
really nice lake.

SPEAKER_02 (38:06):
But it they were driving for a while, so I don't
know how far away from it theycould possibly live to go there.
But like people in the Midwestwill do that.
They'll like drive, they'lldrive a couple hours to go to a
football game or a baseballgame.

SPEAKER_01 (38:19):
It's true.

SPEAKER_02 (38:20):
Yeah, it's true because there's nothing else
around them.
I mean, we'll do that here.
It's just those two hours coverabout five miles.

SPEAKER_01 (38:26):
Exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was trying to think of wherethey possibly could live out
there.
Um, because they, yeah, they hada very nice house.
But I mean, it was look, thatwhole part where is it, I think
it's later on.
I don't think it's in the sameconversation where she tells him
he's she's pregnant, but where,you know, the grandma introjects

(38:48):
herself and tells the storyabout going on a roller coaster.

SPEAKER_02 (38:51):
I almost put that at the uh, you know the beginning.
So it was either that ordiarrhea.
And I I went with the diarrhea.

SPEAKER_01 (39:00):
Like, I get it, you know.
Uh Steve Burgeon's character islike, I like the roller coaster.
I'm like, sure, but if yourhusband doesn't want a totally
chaotic life, I don't think thatthat's an entirely bad thing.

SPEAKER_02 (39:17):
You got three kids.

SPEAKER_01 (39:18):
I mean Yeah, you already have three kids.
Although, you know what I'llsay.

SPEAKER_02 (39:22):
So is the grandma saying, you just have three
kids, you're on amerry-go-round.

SPEAKER_01 (39:26):
I mean, yeah, exactly.
Like, I I get it, I get it.
Like, and and I don't know.
There are things I loved aboutthis film, like, for instance,
when she does tell him thatshe's expecting, you know, she
immediately is like, Oh, youwant me to have an abortion.
And even though he's not in agreat frame of mind when he's
having this conversation, he'snot exactly thrilled to hear the

(39:49):
news.
He says to her, that is a choicethat you have to make.
And does not like I actuallythought for 1989 that was pretty
progressive for the husband.
Like he said it with a kind of atone, but he did say, Yeah,
that's your choice to make.
Like, I'm not gonna, I'm notgonna influence you.

SPEAKER_02 (40:09):
Which is uh yes.

SPEAKER_01 (40:11):
And then the fact that that was said in a movie is
maybe the way I should put it.

SPEAKER_02 (40:14):
Yeah.
And then she said, What are yourunning for Congress?

SPEAKER_01 (40:17):
Yeah, which I thought was hilarious because it
was like, no fucking way wasanybody for Congress saying that
kind of shit in 1989.
No fucking way.
So I thought that was a littledisingenuous.
But um, so you but you hadsomething like that which struck
me as fairly progressive, butthen the end of the movie is
just everybody's popping outbabies.
Oh, yeah.
Baby, baby, baby, baby.

(40:37):
And I was just like, okay.
Like, I get it.
It's called parenthood.
But um This movie is for peoplewith babies by people with
babies.
Yeah, I just felt like there'sother ways to show family other
than just like every fuckingperson with a uterus having a
baby.
Anyway.
Um, so Mary Stephen Bergen,she's had an incredible career.

(41:02):
I did not realize she was anOscar-winning actress.
I didn't either.
Really early in her career.
She got best supporting actress.
Uh, she got the win for Melvinand Howard.
And she's not the only personwho's in that film.
I'll get back to it in a minute.

SPEAKER_02 (41:16):
It'd be wild if she was the only person in that
film.

SPEAKER_01 (41:19):
I actually have, because like I don't know when
we're gonna cover her again.
So I just wanted to give alittle bit of time to her.
And so I have uh close to 30credits.
She's been a prolific uhactress.

SPEAKER_02 (41:33):
We missed her by one year in 1979's Time After Time.

SPEAKER_01 (41:38):
Oh, I didn't even have that one.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, no, I mean it's I thinkRagd Ragtime might be 1980, but
I don't I don't know if we'regonna Oh, Dead of Winter
actually might be one we coulddo at some point.
So those are a couple of herearly credits.
Uh she does play Doc Brown'sLove Interest in Back to the
Future part three.
Yep.
So she's in that.

(41:58):
The Butcher's Wife.
She does do the TV series Backto the Future.
I don't know anything aboutthat.
Is that animated?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (42:07):
So she just did voice work.
I'm only aware of the animated.
I don't think they had alive-action series for that.

SPEAKER_01 (42:12):
Um, great film.
She's in What's Eating GilbertGrape.
Okay.
Philadelphia, Powder.
I have I think it leans moreinto film, but some TV.

SPEAKER_03 (42:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (42:23):
Uh Nixon, she does a TV series called Inc.
Did you ever see the movie Lifeas a House?

SPEAKER_02 (42:28):
With Kevin Klein and uh Anakin Skywalker.
It's a really good movie.

SPEAKER_01 (42:33):
It's such a good movie, but I I don't know if I
can watch it again because I wasjust bawling at the end.
It is, it is a it is such anunderrated film.
It is so fucking good.

SPEAKER_02 (42:45):
But I never hear anyone talk about that movie.

SPEAKER_01 (42:48):
Get right.
Yeah.
Exactly.
It is so, so, so good.
But get a fucking box of tissuesif you're gonna watch that
movie.

SPEAKER_02 (42:55):
What we're gonna have to do is when we finally
wrap up the 80s, uh-huh, we'regonna have to keep a list of all
the movies that we've brought upwhile talking about 80s movies
that we couldn't feature becausethey weren't from the 80s, and
that'll be the next uh series.

SPEAKER_01 (43:09):
But it'll just be like any movie from any other
decade.

SPEAKER_02 (43:12):
Well, the name of the podcast will be movies that
weren't in the 80s, but wethought of them while talking
about other related projectsfrom the 80s.

SPEAKER_01 (43:19):
That's the that really rules off the tongue.

SPEAKER_02 (43:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (43:22):
She's in I Am Sam.

unknown (43:24):
Eh.

SPEAKER_01 (43:24):
I don't know if that's aged that great.
But I think a lot of people loveher from ELF.

SPEAKER_02 (43:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (43:30):
She's James Conn's wife in Elf.

SPEAKER_02 (43:32):
I I don't know if that's like really like her
singing at the end.

SPEAKER_01 (43:36):
I think that is her, but I think she's probably a
better singer than I think.
I think so, right?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (43:40):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (43:41):
Uh she was on the TV show Joan of Arcadia, a
different Christmas movie forChristmases.

SPEAKER_02 (43:48):
Is that the one with like uh with Vince Vaughan and
yeah, it's too much.

SPEAKER_01 (43:52):
I'm nodding my head, yes.

SPEAKER_02 (43:53):
It's too much.

SPEAKER_01 (43:54):
She but probably another generation of people
really love her from StepBrothers.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
She's in the proposal.
It's an okay movie.
Uh, The Help.
She so now she does a a coupledifferent series.
She was on the show Justified.
So she has a credit for Orangeis a New Black.
I don't remember her at all fromthat.

(44:14):
I watched that entire series, soI don't remember she had a huge
role or not, but The Last Man onEarth.
Um, more recently, she was inthe film book club, and I mean,
such a, I gotta say, a very uhappropriate sequel title, the
next chapter.

unknown (44:30):
Damn.

SPEAKER_01 (44:31):
For book club, isn't it?
Yeah.
Pretty perfect.

SPEAKER_02 (44:32):
It's pretty well done.

SPEAKER_01 (44:33):
The happiest or I'm sorry, happiest season.
She also, so she this is alittle bit of a flip, at least
the way it was listedchronologically.
She was on the TV show Zoe'sExtraordinary Playlist, and then
there was a film, Zoe'sExtraordinary Christmas, which I
thought was interesting.
All right.
Uh Nightmare Alley, and then wejust watched her on Man on the

(44:56):
Inside with her husband, TedDancing.
It's a fun show.
It is a fun show.
Yeah.
It's a cozy show.
It's cozy kind of like.

SPEAKER_02 (45:04):
Is it cozy like uh like the Da Vinci code?

SPEAKER_01 (45:08):
Different kind of cozy, but it's cozy.
Okay, moving on to we are barelya fourth of the way through.
Diane Weist.
I'm sorry, I don't know what todo.
There's so many amazing actorsin this film.
I don't know what to tell you.
Can't skip over them.
Uh so she plays wait, what's uhSteve Martin's name?
Gil.
She's Gil's sister, the older ofthe two sisters in the in the

(45:31):
Buckman family.
She's Helen Buckman.
She is the other Oscarnomination in this film.
So she got best supportingactress.
Or she the nomination, shedidn't win.
And what a career she has had.
Um, and actually, it's reallyfun because I did not really
think about the fact that theyjust reteamed recently.

(45:51):
But she is an Oscar-winningactress a couple times over.
Um, I have mostly films for her.
I always love when I get thechance to bring up I'm dancing
as fast as I can.
That film.

SPEAKER_02 (46:06):
We're never gonna watch that.

SPEAKER_01 (46:07):
No.
She, I just brought this up, Ithink, in the last episode.
She's in the 1983 IndependenceDay.
No relation.

SPEAKER_02 (46:14):
Not even close.

SPEAKER_01 (46:16):
Yeah, to the Alien Invasion Independence Day.
I adore her in Footloose.
Yeah.
She's so for a role that couldlargely be forgotten, she brings
to it so much dignity and justnuance.
She's fantastic.
And we did cover that film.
Go check it out with Fossan.

SPEAKER_02 (46:37):
It's our most listened to episode.
I think so.

SPEAKER_01 (46:42):
Stand by me is beginning to give it a run for
its money.

SPEAKER_02 (46:44):
Okay, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 (46:45):
But it is a very popular episode.

SPEAKER_02 (46:47):
Footloose has legs.
Oh man.
Moving on.

SPEAKER_01 (46:51):
Moving on.
So she has done a number offilms with uh Woody Allen.
It's actually where she got bothof her Oscar wins.
She does Purple Rosa Cairo.
She gets her first Oscar win.
Um, both of her wins are in thebest supporting actress category
for Hannah and her sisters.
She does radio days.
We also covered her for The LostBoys.

(47:13):
She plays a mom a lot, but shesure does.
She, this I think shows what anamazing actress she is because
it could, again, be a totalthrowaway role, but she always
brings so much to what she does.
She is a fully fleshed-outcharacter in Lost Boys.
It's true.
And that's Lost Boys.
Like she's fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 (47:33):
She is kind of Helen Buckman in The Lost Boys.

SPEAKER_01 (47:36):
She is in a vampire town.
Yes.
She's of Hel Helen Buckman's.
Like, we're leaving St.
Louis and we're going to uh whatis Santa?
Santa Yeah, Santa something.

SPEAKER_02 (47:50):
That's for yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (47:50):
Santa Clara?
Santa Clara?
I mean it's not Santa Clarita.
It's like a made-up town.

SPEAKER_02 (47:55):
Yeah, it's it's like a made up.

SPEAKER_01 (47:57):
I think it's Santa Clara, maybe.

SPEAKER_02 (47:58):
I don't think it is.
I can't remember what it is.
But it's not that.

SPEAKER_01 (48:04):
You know, okay.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Just because Santa, okay, theLost Boys.
Um let's see.
Let's see where it's supposed tobe set.
Let's take a look.
We're gonna give do sorry analready long episode.

SPEAKER_02 (48:19):
Hey Siri, what fictional city does The Lost
Boys take place in?

SPEAKER_01 (48:23):
Um Santa Carla.
That's what I said, right?

SPEAKER_02 (48:27):
You said Santa Clara.

SPEAKER_01 (48:30):
Okay, so I I switched up the L.

SPEAKER_02 (48:33):
You're super.

SPEAKER_01 (48:34):
I switched up the L.
I'm gonna I'm gonna give it tomyself.
Okay.
So she does radio days.
Uh oh wait, I'm backtracking toomuch.
Lost Boys, Bright Lights, BigCity.
She's also, again, a mother, butshe plays the most amazing
character in EdwardScissorhands.
She's fantastic in that film.
She gets her, as of right now,her uh last Oscar nomination and

(49:00):
win for Bullets Over Broadway.
She's in The Bird Cage,Practical Magic, which I heard
that they're doing a sequel forthat, but I haven't heard
anything about when it's gonnaget released.
With uh Sandra Bullock and Ithink all four of the women came
back.
Wow.
I think.
All right.
So I I wanna say it's her,Stocker Channing, Nicole Kidman,

(49:23):
and Sandra Bullock.
I think they all agreed to comeback.
I think she's also an I am Sam.
She, so here's where she does apretty long turn of television.
She was on Law and Order for awhile.
Oh, okay.
Dan in real life.
Uh, I'm okay.
I gotta focus on saying thisright.
Senecty, New York.

(49:43):
That's as close as I'm gonnaget.
Um, and then most recently, alltelevision in treatment, life in
pieces, Mare Kingston, and shewas on this last season of Only
Murders in the Building.
Yep.
I think of anything I've seenher in, she had the least amount
to do in the in that season ofthe show.
I think that's right.

(50:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (50:05):
But a little bit more towards the end.

SPEAKER_01 (50:07):
A little bit more towards the end.
Okay, moving on to the otherBuckman sister, um, because she
married out of the family, SusanHuffner, even though she's a
Buckman originally, played byHarley Jane Kozak.
Um shorter uh filmography thanthe people we've covered thus
far, but still very muchworking.

(50:28):
The reason why I did um isbecause I was like thinking
about her character.
I mean, I would say Gil andHelen are the two Buckman adult
children who get the most to doand have the most fully fleshed
out characters.

SPEAKER_02 (50:47):
Absolutely.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (50:50):
And I don't mind this character, but I don't know
how much her storyline gave me.

SPEAKER_02 (50:59):
I mean, even her storyline was more about Rick
Moranis.

SPEAKER_01 (51:03):
Correct.
Exactly.
So, yeah, she's married to Rick,and I'll get to him in a second,
but like her story, you know.
So Gil's story is just that he'sin this like crazy household
with three kids, one on the way,he's like not super happy at his
job, thinking he's gonna get apromotion.
He doesn't.

SPEAKER_02 (51:20):
Um But then he gets like a raise in a better office,
anyways.

SPEAKER_01 (51:23):
Yeah.
I was just like thrown in there,like what he implausible, like
Deus ex machina at the end ofthat.

SPEAKER_02 (51:30):
Big time.

SPEAKER_01 (51:31):
Um Helen's story is the most compelling, to be
honest.

SPEAKER_03 (51:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (51:35):
Her husband leaves her for another woman, gets
married, has other.
I think I think the other womanalready had kids.
I don't think they had kidstogether.
I don't know for sure.
But it leaves her being a singlemother to Martha Plumpton and
Joaquin Phoenix.
In this film, he's um creditedas Lee Phoenix before he changed

(51:57):
his name, but we'll just callhim Joaquin Phoenix.
So she has a really compellingstory, and also she's
heartbroken because, like,honestly, you could see, and I'm
sorry, I'm getting a littleahead of myself, but you could
you could very much see the kindof actor that Joaquin Phoenix
was going to be in that phonecall he has.
Yeah.
He is I don't know if theyplayed anyone off of him, maybe

(52:20):
not, but even as a child actor,the emotion he brought to
calling his dad, asking if hecould live with him, being told
no, and seeing how that brokehim was pretty incredible,
actually, to watch.
Yeah.
And so she's the mother in thatstory.
So I'll just say, in comparison,Susan, you know, she's married

(52:42):
to this like really stuffedshirt Rick Moranis, who kind of
an interesting character for himto take on.
And I don't know.
I don't know how much I was likethat invested in in their their
spot line.

SPEAKER_02 (52:58):
She just it's all about the roller coaster because
like Rick her and Rick Moranisat first were on the
merry-go-round, but then shewanted to get a fucking ticket
for the roller coaster.
She did.
And he's like, No, I'm I'm likemore of a merry-go-round person,
and I want our kid to be like anonly kid so that she could be a
little genius.

(53:18):
You know, and she was like,Well, then I'm I'm out.
And then he like went into themiddle of one of her classes and
sang to her, so that fixed it, Ithink.

SPEAKER_01 (53:27):
Yeah, and then kind of the little bow on that story
did not totally ring authenticto me, but then they did have
like another kid at the end ofthe day.

SPEAKER_02 (53:36):
Then they had another kid, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (53:37):
Okay, so her filmography, we have a mix of
tele it's probably like mostlyeverybody here, a mix of
television and film, The Houseon Sororti Row.
Um, so she okay, I don't knowthe TV show Texas, but she's
done a couple like primetime anddaytime.
Are these both daytime?
Actually, these are both daytimesoap operas.
Guiding Guiding Light in SantaBarbara.

(53:58):
Oh, okay.
Um, both off the air as of thisrecording for quite a while at
this point.
I don't think there's too manysoap operas anymore.
They still make them.
I know Days of Our Lives isstill around.
I think All My Children is stillaround.
I don't know what else isaround.
Uh I did recognize her from WhenHarry Met Sally.

SPEAKER_02 (54:17):
I recognize her from Arachnophobia.

SPEAKER_01 (54:20):
I think arachnophobia.
Is that 89 or 90?

SPEAKER_02 (54:22):
I think it's 90.
Oh.
I don't think it's in the 80s,yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (54:25):
Um, we did cover when Harry Met Sally.
We probably didn't talk abouther uh in that film, but go
check out that episode.
That was with um Sonal, I think.
That was ages ago.

SPEAKER_02 (54:35):
Make a mental note.
We're adding uh arachnophobia tothat other podcast I mentioned.

SPEAKER_01 (54:39):
Necessary Roughness.
She was on the TV show Hearts ofthe West, the film Dark Planet,
the TV show You Wish.
I love the title of this film.
I spit on your grave, colonvengeance is mine.
Amazing.
An addiction of hope.
So that's her filmography.

SPEAKER_02 (54:59):
She was in uh two episodes of The Righteous
Gemstones.
She was?
She was BJ's mom.

SPEAKER_01 (55:05):
Who is BJ?

unknown (55:07):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (55:08):
Isn't it wasn't it the um the sister's husband?

SPEAKER_01 (55:12):
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 (55:14):
Wasn't that him?

SPEAKER_01 (55:16):
Yes, I think so, but I don't remember him his mom
being on the show.
Oh, wow! Yeah, that's awesome.
Thank you for calling that out.
Yeah, no worries.
Okay, so moving on to RickMoranis.
Moranis?
Moranis?
Rick Moranis.
Moranis.
Yeah.
Said it wrong both ways.
Uh it's like I've said his namea million times, but then in the
moment I've always just heardRick Moranis.

(55:38):
No, you're you're 1000% correct.
Uh so he plays Nathan Huffner.
So Susan is I'm forgetting alltheir names.
Susan's husband.
There's a lot of a lot of namesin this.
And you're right, for this beinglike a Buckman family film, the
focus is, I think, much more onhim than her.

SPEAKER_02 (55:58):
Because it's like he has to change.
Not change, he doesn't have tochange, but he has to be more
willing to accept that shedoesn't want to have the exact
same type of life that he does.

SPEAKER_03 (56:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (56:12):
And it just so happens that the type of life
that she would rather have isthe fucking roller coaster.

SPEAKER_01 (56:18):
She did say at some point, right, to Karen.
She does have Susan has aconversation with Karen.
All these women with N endinglast or names, Karen, Helen,
Susan.
Anyway.
So she talks to Gil's wife abouthow he used to be more wild,
right?
Yes.

(56:38):
So he has changed since having akid.
Yeah.
So I guess she has a point inthat, like, you're not the
person I married.

SPEAKER_02 (56:47):
And like when uh they want to plan a trip and Oh,
and he wants to bring the kid.
He wants to bring the kid.

SPEAKER_01 (56:54):
But you know what?
That's me and like we'rebringing Winston.
Bringing Winston with useverywhere.

SPEAKER_02 (57:00):
But that just like that was the moment in the film
that like broke her.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (57:05):
Interesting.
That's interesting that that'sthe moment that broke her.

SPEAKER_02 (57:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (57:09):
Where she was like, I don't want my kid with me.

SPEAKER_02 (57:12):
I want a second kid so bad that I definitely want to
trip without any kids.

SPEAKER_01 (57:17):
That's a really good point.
That's such a good point.
Okay.
So oh, and you know what?
Now that I'm fucking thinkingabout it.
Yeah, at the end of that movie,so she's pregnant.
So Karen's had a baby.
Yeah.
Martha Plimpton's had a baby.
Yeah.
She's pregnant.
And then fucking Helen, who I'msorry, that's a stretch that
she's still having kids.

(57:38):
Martha Plimpton is like 20 yearsold at the end of that film.

SPEAKER_02 (57:42):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (57:44):
I mean, I'm not saying it can't happen.

SPEAKER_02 (57:46):
I'm pretty sure that grandma was pregnant in this
movie.

SPEAKER_01 (57:48):
But that's what I'm saying is like, did we need to
have Helen having a baby?
Come on.
Like, couldn't we have just hada moment with Helen and her new
husband and the kids allenjoying themselves together?

SPEAKER_02 (57:58):
Look, this is not negotiable.
They're all having kids.

SPEAKER_01 (58:02):
They're literally across the board.
Every single fucking part ofthat family.
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (58:06):
Because the name of this movie is Parenthood.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (58:09):
Okay.
So Marinus.
Am I still saying it wrong?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (58:12):
Why are you saying a Marinas?

SPEAKER_01 (58:14):
I don't know.

unknown (58:15):
Moranus.

SPEAKER_02 (58:17):
Like I ran.
I I'm Iranus.

SPEAKER_01 (58:20):
Once it gets stuck in my head, you know, it's like
the brain, the brain won't letit go.
Okay.
So he we have talked about himactually, well, it feels like
not that long ago.
Um, definitely a lot ofopportunities to bring him up
again, I think.
Yes.
Um, he took a little bit of timeaway from entertainment.

(58:42):
He still was working, but heLike doing some voice stuff,
maybe.

SPEAKER_02 (58:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (58:47):
He was doing more because he had, you know, he
lost his wife.
He wanted to be there for hiskids.
Um but he has largely very muchstayed in the comedy space, just
like Steve Martin.
So early in his career, SCTV,the TV series, as well as SC TV
Network.
So he is um Canadian.
That's kind of like the Canadianversion of SNL.

(59:09):
We covered him most recently forStrange Brew.
So that was last season.
Go check that out.
We also covered him when we didthe first Ghostbusters.
Maybe at some point we'll doGhostbusters too.
Maybe.
Maybe.
Yeah.
It is so interesting though thathe does a role like Louis Tully

(59:30):
and Ghostbusters.
And then again, he's this verybuttoned-down.
It's I think it's interestingcasting.
I'm not sure if it worked forme.
Because it's just hard to seehim in such a straight role.
Like when you see him in thingslike Strange Brew and
Ghostbusters, it's just he's sogood at just being absurd.

SPEAKER_02 (59:48):
He's closer to the Ghostbusters character than uh
true.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (59:53):
Louis Tully is very buttoned up in a lot of ways.
Yeah.
He's in Brewster's Millions.
Uh, we also covered him becausehe also was in Little Shop of
Horrors.
Yes.
We can definitely cover him.
Right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
We can definitely cover him forSpace Balls.
I don't know if that will bethis season, but we can also
cover him.
This is again Under the Gun,1989, for Honey I Shrunk the

(01:00:15):
Kids.
He comes back for the sequel,Honey I Blew Up the Kid.
That's it.
Which could be verymisconstrued.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:20):
Sounds incredibly violent.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:22):
He does My Blue Heaven, uh also with uh Steve
Martin, right?
Right, yeah.
Yeah.
The Flintstones, Little Giants,and then a couple years ago, I
think, he did the TV movie Boband Doug Mackenzie's 2-4
anniversary.
Nice.
Nice.
Okay, you really, really hatedthis character.

(01:00:43):
He's such a piece of shit.
Larry Buckman.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:46):
God damn it, Larry.
Larry was awful.
Larry was the worst.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:50):
He was okay, so played by Tom Holse.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:53):
So we're like cartoonishly bad to just like
Thank you for using that word.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:58):
Thank you for saying cartoonishly.
Because my biggest gripe withthis movie is that he is a
completely one-note character.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:08):
It would have been a much more interesting film if
they had given him some nuance.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:13):
There is no depth to this character.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:14):
There is zero depth to this character.
And I think what would have madeit a far more interesting movie
is have it's the save the cat,have something redeeming about
him.
Have him be a terrible gamblerand a total flake on his family,
but have him be an amazing dad.
Or have him, even if he's not anamazing dad, show a scene where

(01:01:35):
he is being a kid with his kidand he's making his kid laugh
and he's just having a greattime with his kids.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:42):
They give him no redeeming moments.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:44):
They give him nothing.
Yeah.
I'm actually kind of shocked.
Like I feel bad for Holtzbecause I was like, you know,
like to take this role, you gotnothing.
Nothing.
He does a great job.
I mean, that's I think that'swhy you hated him so much,
because he's good.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:59):
Yeah.
No, he's very convincing in thatrole.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:02):
Yeah, and I but I was just really bothered by the
fact that he is, and that's whatI was saying at the top of the
episode, where it's like there'sso many fucking characters in
this film, you can't give themall enough.
And they don't even try.
And they don't even try withthis character, which is strange
to me because he is one of thefour Buckman kids.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:22):
The only character that you get less less from
would be his kid.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:28):
Correct.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:29):
Cool.
Like, not only did the dadforget about him, the people who
made this movie forgot about it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:34):
Yeah, and so you know, it's over and done with.
This sounds like 40 years in thecan.
But um it's too late to fit.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:42):
We cannot fix this.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:44):
Can't fix it.
But I was just like, I I mean,the movie's already over two
hours.
I think there are other waysthey could have trimmed it down,
but I wish they could just showme one scene.
One scene of him being a greatdad.
Yeah.
You know, like just something.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:01):
Here, I'll I'll throw, I'll throw something out.
Just have him show up to one ofthe Little League games.
Which stuff just show himparticipating in something.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:08):
Show him, yeah, because like look, his whole
thing is that he takes noresponsibility, he's a flake.
That leans perfectly into himhaving childish behavior.
So show him being a kid withkids.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:20):
It seems unrealistic that that someone like this
character would have been theone left with the kid.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:28):
Yes, that's the other thing, too.
I'm like, who's giving you akid?

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:31):
Yeah.
You know, you tell me there'ssomeone worse than him?

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:34):
Like not buying it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:37):
So that's my biggest, biggest gripe with this
movie.
But as far as his career, Imean, hmm.
We did bring him up actually notthat long ago.
Uh, he got his, as of right now,one and only Oscar nomination
for Best Actor in Amadeus.
He lost out to his uh co-star,F.
Marie Abraham.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:56):
Sweet irony.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:57):
Right?
That's amazing.
And I'm sure that's been saidquite a few times.
But it's a shame because I dothink he's a really great actor,
but not a huge filmography.
So some of the more notableones.
So a lot of people might knowhim very early in his career
from National Lampoon's AnimalHouse.
He's one of the uh what he's afreshman, so he's trying to get

(01:04:19):
into whatever the name of theirfraternity is.
Okay.
He does Amadeus.
Uh, I have, yeah, all films forhim.
Fearless, Frankenstein, the um Ineed to revisit that movie.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:33):
The 1994 version.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:35):
Yeah, the Kenneth Branow.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:37):
Oh, really?
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:38):
I wanted to do this last fall, never got around to
it.
I desperately want to do adouble feature of Bram Stoker's
Dracula and Frankenstein.
Okay.
Yeah.
He voices uh oh my gosh, what'sthe character's name?
In what?
Hunchback from Notre Dame.
Quasimodo.
Thank you.
He's that.
Uh Stranger Than Fiction andJumper.

(01:04:59):
Okay.
Okay, sorry.
We gotta keep this moving.
So moving on to the patriarch ofthe Buckman family, Frank
Buckman, played by JasonRobarts.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:09):
Who is just like he's Larry, or Larry is him.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:13):
Yeah, that's probably why.
I mean, that's the other thing.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:15):
That's why the movie the movie starts with like we're
at a baseball game, but it's notthe game that that Gil and his
family, it's Gil daydreaming asa kid with his dad, who's just
like doing side bets and stuffand leaves him with one of the
ushers at the stadium, and thenthen you realize, like, well,
that's what Larry just turnedinto.
Correct.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:35):
Which is really interesting.
Like, he's the baby of thefamily, so maybe he got off
easy.
They often say that about theyounger children.
So yeah, he just becomes Frank.
Uh, Robards, for his part, hehas been passed for a while,
already over 25 years ago.
He passed in 2000.
He had an amazing career.
Also, uh Oscar winning actor.

(01:05:56):
So a lot of early TV work, uh, Ithought this was an Interesting.
He did a couple really highprofile TV movies.
One of them was The IcemanCometh.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:05):
Oh.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:06):
He did that pretty early on.
He so a bunch of films I'm aboutto bring up.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:10):
We are probably going to cover him at least once
more.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:13):
Ooh, I'm interested in what you Oh, I think I know.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:16):
You probably know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:17):
I think I know.
Yeah.
Okay.
Because there's another filmwhere like we are definitely not
doing that movie.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:21):
Oh.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:21):
Uh he does Tenderest of the Night, Long Day's Journey
into Night.
Okay.
Divorce American style.
Once Upon a Time in the West.
All these movies.
Once Upon a Time in Blah blahblah.
Tora Torah Tora.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:35):
Oh yeah.
That's a that's a big movie.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:37):
It is.
A lot of these are.
Judd, Murders in the Rue Morgue.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:42):
So he gets his Waiters in that's the Edgar
Allan Poe, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:47):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:48):
He gets his Oscar win, Best Supporting Actor for
All the President's Men.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:53):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:53):
He oh, actually, he might also be one where he just,
I think three years in a row, hewas nominated and won off the
first one.
He gets all his noms were in thebest supporting actor category.
He gets another win.
So he gets back-to-back wins forall the president's men and
Julia.
Wow.
He also was in the film forwhich Steam Burgeon won her

(01:07:16):
Oscar.
He gets a nomination, so it'sthe one that he didn't win for
Melvin and Howard.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:21):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:22):
I think the film you're thinking of is Max Dugan
Returns.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:27):
That's the movie that you think we're gonna.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:30):
Am I wrong?
Is that even an 80s film?
I feel like you've brought thatup.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:33):
It is, but it's not.
Oh, are you thinking?
It is an 80s movie, but it's notthe one that I was thinking of.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:37):
You're thinking something wicked this way comes.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:39):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:40):
Okay, yeah, I'd like to do that.
The film where I was like, no,we're not doing that is Square
Dance.
I've brought that film off upbefore.
I what is what is that?
I do not like it.
I I saw it very young, so maybeI would have a different opinion
of it, but I don't think so.
So it's him.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:57):
A 13-year-old girl exchanges a pleasant life in the
countryside for a troubled lifein the city.
That sounds like a bad exchange.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:04):
It's the one with Pinot Ryder, right?
And uh Rob Low.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:07):
Uh I don't know if Rob was in it, but Winona Ryder
is, so it's gotta be that one.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:12):
Yeah.
So Square Dance, right?
It's the one.
Go find Rob Low in it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:17):
No time, no time.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:18):
No, there's time.
Now I because if it's the filmI'm thinking of.
Uh Winona Rider.
Yeah.
It is the film I'm thinking of.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:32):
So just wanted to be sure that this is the movie you
hate.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:35):
It's I just want to be sure.
It's super bizarre.
Winona Ryder, like you said, shemoves.
And the thing that I my takeawayfrom my memories of this film is
that so Roblo plays someone withcognitive challenges.
Kind of akin to uh LeonardoDiCaprio in Gilbert Grape.

(01:08:58):
Kind of along those lines.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:00):
Was he just like, I literally have No, he was not at
all.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:05):
But so first of all, there's that going on.
I get it that that was very muchthe norm for that time.
I mean, and Gilbert Grape evencomes afterwards.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:14):
But every time a movie like that comes up, it's
impossible for me not think ofTropic Thunder.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:22):
Okay.
Well, the thing that okay, Idon't think I'm misremembering
this, but there's like weirdvibes between Winona Ryder and
Roblo, and it was just likereally uncomfortable to watch.
I don't I don't want to watchthat film.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:40):
Are you sure?

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:41):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:42):
Okay, because uh you're talking about your brain.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:45):
So uh he's in that.
So he does another high-profileTV movie, Inherit the Wind.
I thought it was funny that he'sin Dream a Little Dream with the
two quarries.
He's also in Philadelphia, he'salso in the paper, uh, and that
was a Howard film, right?
Uh Beloved, and then his finalfeature credit was the film

(01:10:06):
Magnolia.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:07):
The movie that he is in that I will never watch again
because I think it gave me and alot of kids that grew up in the
80s like just nightmares, likePTSD, The Day After, which was
that TV movie about like nuclearwar in like the nuclear the like

(01:10:27):
the fallout of a nuclear warbetween the US and and Soviet.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:32):
Great.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:32):
Soviet Russia.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:34):
And I I don't know why I even thought that Howard,
since we just covered him, hedid not do the paper.
I wonder, is there a connectionbetween him and the paper?
I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:41):
Anyway, I think for the listeners, they should know
that we just have like a board,a board, and we're just like
connecting like threats to allthe different names.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:54):
Okay.
Just because I didn't want tooverlook her, I felt like that'd
be rude.
But his wife in this film, shedoesn't have a lot to do.
Character named Marilyn Buckman,played by Eileen Ryan.
She too has passed, she passedmore recently in 2022.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:09):
Her whole direction was like, just look as haggard
as you possibly can.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:13):
Yeah, she doesn't she gets barely anything to do
in this film.
Like it's really that again.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:18):
She gets to ask Larry, this isn't another get
rich quick scheme, is it?

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:22):
Just cut down on one fucking kid.
If you just got rid of likeSusan, sorry, but if you got rid
of Susan in that wholestoryline, you could have way
more to do with the rest of thecharacters.
Or have Frank be a widower.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:35):
It's funny that you say that they just needed one
fewer kid for this movie to likework a little bit better because
that was Jason Robart.
That was Frank's whole thing atthe end, like I should never had
the fourth kid.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:45):
Yeah, exactly.
So as far as her work, again, uhsame as Robart's, a lot of early
TV work.
And everything else I have isfilm.
At Close Range, Winter People.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:58):
Winter People.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:59):
Benny and June, Anywhere But Here.
She also was in Magnolia.
The Pledge.
She also was in I Am Sam.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:07):
She was in a lot of people in I Am Sam.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:10):
A lot of people in I am Sam.
I remember seeing that, and Iwas one and done with that film,
so I don't remember.
Uh, she was in the 2006 versionof All the King's Men.
Her final credit was rules don'tapply.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:23):
I mean, she was also uh an eight-legged freaks from
2002.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:27):
No, I remember seeing that.
I didn't put it down.
Real quick, before we get to thekids in this film, let's talk
about grandma.
First of all, okay, so played byHelen Shaw.
I just assumed because we hadrecently done Christmas Vacation
and the the matriar, notmatriarch, because I don't think
she had kids, but the eldestmember of that family had this

(01:12:50):
like crazy storied career mostlyas Betty Boop.
Yeah.
And olive oil.
So I thought, oh, probably thesame for this woman.
No.
No.
She just got like, I mean, atlike what the age of like 90 got
pulled into movies.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:04):
She was great in this.
She was great.
Yeah.
She she nailed exactly what theywanted that character to be.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:09):
And I think I don't know.
I must have seen this film atsome point because I was like,
yeah, she looks super familiarto me.
And I just thought she lookedsuper familiar because of other
things.
I was like, there's not thatmany other things.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:18):
We've seen her.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:19):
Yeah, we have seen her.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:20):
In Twilight Zone, the movie.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:21):
So she had eight total credits.
She first of all, Helen Shaw,born in 1897.
What now?
1897.
Shit.
She lived to be a hundred yearsold.
She passed away in 1997.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:37):
That's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:38):
Amazing.
I think she might have therecord for the oldest person we
have covered on this podcast.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:44):
Do you know how she did it?
She avoided microplastics.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:47):
Yeah, because there weren't any.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:49):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:50):
Exactly.
So some of her her first credit,like I said, her first credit
was in 1980.
Yeah.
She was already 83 years old.
And it was for, I mean, thetitle is what it is.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:05):
It's a rough title.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:06):
Rough title, Rape and Marriage, Colonel The Write
Out Case.
It was a TV movie.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:10):
Classic.
You know what, everyone, TVmovies, that's just how they
were.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:13):
The what we have seen her in and we have covered.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:18):
You want to say it?

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:18):
Twilight's on the movie in the kick the can.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:22):
Which was the Spielberg one.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:24):
Exactly.
Yeah.
It's all the kids that get achance to go back to being kids
and the elderly people.
All the kids that go back tobeing kids.
That didn't make any sense.
Yes.
All the old people and the old Ithink we're getting a little
loopy because we've covered somany people.
It is.
We have not had the ACM in thisroom.
It is sweltering.
So yes, all the old people inthe old people home turned into

(01:14:47):
kids, and then they had to turnback.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:49):
So she's in that.
Yes.
And then another credit to havefor her is just a film called
Wicked Stepmother.
Okay, let's move on to the kids.
And that's all I have, right?
Yes.
I just have the children left.
Okay.
Starting with Martha Plumpton.
She plays Julie.
So Helen Buckman's married namewas Lampkin, because that's
Julie's last name.
Oh wait, did she Yeah, becauseshe doesn't take Todd's name.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:10):
Plumpton Lampkin.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:11):
So what a career.
I I love Martha Plumpton.
You really do.
I really do.
And she's had such a fun career.
She's really leaned into TVlately.
Uh, but the one time we'vecovered her, possibly we could
cover her again, but I doubt wewould do this movie anytime
soon.

(01:15:31):
Um we did cover her for theGoonies.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:34):
Yep.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:34):
That was all the way back in season one when we were
just babies ourselves.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:39):
That may have been the first episode where I
figured out how where I tried tofigure out a way to record a
little bit to intro the episode.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:46):
Oh, you might be right.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:48):
Might be the first one.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:49):
So of course she's in that as Steph.
She's amazing.
Love that movie.
The one I was talking about isMosquito Coast.
But I don't I don't know ifwe're gonna get that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:00):
I mean, if we're hankering for another Harrison
Ford movie.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:03):
So I mentioned to you, like, look, I don't want to
do too much of a deep dive intopeople's personal lives, but
Mosquito Coast, of course, alsostars River Phoenix, Joachim
Phoenix's brother, who passed.
I believe they started datingoff that film.
So it's really interesting to mebecause the connections between
these three kid actors that arein this film because she was

(01:16:24):
dating River Phoenix and KanaReeves starred with River.
They I mean, I think they morethan one.
They were in my own privateIdaho.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:33):
It's a small world.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:34):
They were very good friends, and then obviously
Joachim Phoenix's brother, andso they all have this like
shared grief, you know, over hisloss.
So, and I know that when JoaquinPhoenix won the Oscar, I think
they cut to Kanner Reeves, whowas like clapping and was very
happy for him.
So, anyway, getting back toPlumpton.

(01:16:55):
So she was in Running on Empty.
I shot Andy Warhol.
I actually love her andBeautiful Girls.
Okay.
Another huge ensemble cast.
Thank God it's on an 80s movie.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:07):
Um, huge, like on the same level, too, of just
name after name after name oflike high-profile actors.
But she's in that.
And what's hilarious about thatis that her love interest in
Beautiful Girls is MichaelRappaport.
And then the next film she's inis I'm not Rappaport.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:23):
That guy is literally a psychopath on the
traitors.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:27):
Yeah.
He just, I I said when we weretalking about he just took up
too much air in this in thatroom with everybody.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:33):
Like he, I don't know if he If it was all an act,
okay.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:39):
All right.
I don't know.
I've heard, I mean, you know,I'm sure a lot of people have.
He's he's a lot.
It was a lot.
So she was in Pecker.
I also love her and 200cigarettes.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:52):
Good luck finding that movie.
Like we we own it.
We own it.
We own a copy, but like but likeunless you want to borrow it
from us, good luck.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:01):
There should be I've said this, there should be no
reason why you can't find anyfucking movie you want to find
today.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:08):
Well, if you can't, if you can't find a way to
purchase it or rent it, thereare ways.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:14):
You could sail the hot seven seas.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:17):
Yes, as they say.
Okay.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:20):
So now she pivots.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:22):
Pivot.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:23):
Pivot and does a ton of TV work.
So she's on The Good Wi.
I remember I watched the showRaising Hope.
The Real O'Neills.
I that got canceled reallyearly.
I don't remember why.
Generation Sprung, a town calledMalice, and more recently, a TV
show called Task.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:41):
One episode of Fringe, which was a really cool
X-Files-like kind of show.
I might rewatch that show.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:48):
She's very busy, I'll to say.
Yeah.
Very much working.
I mean, everybody who I've leftare.
Thank goodness.
Kenna Reeves.
So she or she.
He plays the boyfriend ToddHiggins, who marries and has a
baby with Julie.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:05):
Yep.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:05):
I mean, Kenna Reeves, man.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:07):
Um, it has We spent how long that tells you a little
something about the cast of thismovie.
We're an hour and 20 minutes in.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:15):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:16):
And we get to Keanu.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:17):
Finally get to Keanu, and this guy's career has
just been incredible.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:23):
Uh we have talked about him before.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:25):
He has one TV series.
Yes, we have.
But he is he is very solidlyknown as a movie star.
Very solidly known.
Yeah.
And his early career, so I thinkhe was um he never got even, I
think, to the minors, but he didplay hockey, so he was in the
film Youngblood, because I thinkhe could just skate.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:46):
Oh yeah.
So was Rob low in that?
Yep.
We yeah, I had to yeah.
Well one time when I was workingfor home entertainment stuff,
there was like a um like maybean anniversary release of that.
Yeah, and I didn't review abunch of stuff for that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:02):
Deep cut.

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:03):
Yeah, I was reviewing uh director's
commentary for like some newversion of that release.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:09):
Interesting.
Yeah, I was.
I wonder who directed it.
Um I don't know if I'm gonnawe're we're gonna do this movie
anytime soon.
It is a downer of a film,River's Edge.
Oh yeah.
Dangerous liaisons.
I mean, it is hilarious to mewhen he's in period pieces
because Whoa.
He just yeah.
I don't know if he's really aperiod piece kind of guy, and
we'll get to the more famous onein a second.

(01:20:29):
Uh, you know, his hugebreakthrough, I would say, is
Bill and Ted's ExcellentAdventure.
There's been a couple more filmsoff that.
On its heels was Bill and Ted'sBogus Journey.
And then what, like two yearsago, they did Bill and Ted Face
the Music.

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:45):
Uh, I think that was the last one that came out.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:48):
So he does that.
He solidifies himself uh inearly 90s as like a full-on star
and like kind of action star inpoint break.
Yeah.
Does that?

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:59):
He's had like, it seems like he's had like three
or four or more breakout typesof you know, everybody's but
he's just in a lot ofblockbuster type movies.

SPEAKER_01 (01:21:08):
Everybody fucking bags on him for like his acting
abilities.
He's a movie star, okay?
There's there's kind of adifference there, and I love him
as a movie star.
I'm not gonna go down the pathof like the quality of his
acting.
He is fun to watch, he'sentertaining, he's a performer.
Yeah.
I like watching him.
Uh, as mentioned, he does my ownprivate Idaho.

(01:21:29):
I will always call up RamStoker's Dracula, even though
officially, as of right now,it's just called Dracula.
Bullshit.
Bullshit on IMDB.
He is hilarious in that film.
Terribly miscast.
It is.
It's but I love him.
Fantastic miscasting.
It's fine.
It's all good.
He's actually really good inMuch Ado About Nothing.

(01:21:51):
I love that film, and he's a funvillain in that.
Of course, everybody knows himfrom Speed.

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:57):
Yep.

SPEAKER_01 (01:21:57):
As far as like what else we could do of his.

SPEAKER_02 (01:22:00):
It was in the uh Matrix prequel Johnny Mnemonic.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:03):
I don't even have that one down.
He's been in a ton, he's beenextremely busy.

SPEAKER_02 (01:22:07):
Like Johnny Mnemonic, he literally gets like
memories plugged into his head.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:13):
Crazy.
Like, yeah, that is the prequel.
Yeah.
He does a walk in the clouds,Feeling Minnesota, so a couple
like kind of romantic movies.
The Devil's Advocate.

SPEAKER_02 (01:22:22):
He's good in that.
Like, I'm a lawyer.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:25):
Is that the one?
Okay, so you're always like, Idon't love that movie.
Because I'm always like, youlove that movie.
And you're like, no, I don't.

SPEAKER_02 (01:22:30):
Yeah, I don't.
And yes, you do say that and no.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:34):
But you do love Constantine.
Yes.
Okay, that's the one I'm andthey're like the same.

SPEAKER_02 (01:22:40):
No.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:41):
Aren't they both about the devil?

SPEAKER_02 (01:22:43):
The devil's advocate is just like Al Pacino is like
the devil working for like a lawfirm and and like.
But Constantine is also aboutConstantine is about like this
uh guy who has like some kind oflike power.
It's it's like a comic that wasturned into a movie.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:05):
Okay, what is the one with uh I don't know their
his name.
There's like the guy what's theone with Rachel Weiss?

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:14):
That's Constantine.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:15):
Yes! That's it's a devil movie!

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:18):
That's Constantine, yeah.
Yes, it's not the devil'sadvocate, though.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:21):
So it's not totally crazy that I'm mixing them up.
They're both about the devil.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:25):
Fair enough.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:26):
Thank you.
I just needed to hear thatbecause you're making me sound
like I'm crazy for mixing themup.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:32):
They're very different movies, but they both
have the devil.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:35):
So they're not that different in movies?

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:38):
Uh they're still pretty different.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:39):
Okay, moving on.
So he does uh you mentioned asecond ago, he does the entire
Matrix franchise.
The first one's you know, watchthe first one.
If you it'd be crazy if youhaven't seen the Matrix yet.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:50):
The second one, you can get through it.
By the time you get to the thirdone, you're like, what the fuck
is happening?

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:55):
Not every film needs to be a trilogy, is all I'm
gonna say.

SPEAKER_02 (01:24:00):
Even fewer need that fourth movie.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:02):
Exactly.
But he does all of them.
The replacements, something'sgotta give, Constantine.
He reteens with Sandra Bullockfor The Lake House.
His even bigger franchise, Ithink, at this point.
John Wick.

SPEAKER_02 (01:24:16):
Yeah, big time.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:17):
So he does John Wick, chapter two, chapter
three.

SPEAKER_02 (01:24:20):
Love that movie.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:21):
You should love that franchise because I'm not
fucking watching that franchise.
A dog dies.

SPEAKER_02 (01:24:25):
But this like, what if that that happens, but then
you get four movies of him justlike wasting people like
annihilating people because ofit.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:39):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:24:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:40):
So chapter three is called it's funny, chapter three
is the only one that has like asubtitle, Parabellum, and then
chapter four.
So he has done TV.
I don't know this show.
I don't even know if it's anAmerican show.
It's called Swedish Dicks, buthe's on it.
Uh he rete so he's done a couplere-teemings with some of his
leading ladies.
He, like I mentioned, hadreteamed with Sandra Bullock for
the Lake House.

(01:25:00):
He also reteams with LenonaRyder for Destination Wedding,
and according to lore, they aremarried according to religious
law, because in Dracula they hada real, I think Greek Orthodox.
I I don't think they'reofficially married because
everything that I've heard aboutthe Orthodox Church, of which I
have some some familiarity with,is that you have to be Orthodox

(01:25:24):
to be officially married withinthe Orthodox Church.
Yeah.
I don't think either of themare.

SPEAKER_02 (01:25:28):
I don't think so, but I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:30):
But they claim that they were married by like a real
priest, so they call each otherlike hubby and wife, which is
kind of cute.
He's in Always Be My Maybe.
He's actually hilarious in that.
He plays himself, a heightenedversion of himself, and
Ballerina, which is a John Wickspin-off.

SPEAKER_02 (01:25:47):
I didn't realize this, but he does the um there's
like an animated lumenadministrative building voice in
the series Severance.
So he's in one episode ofSeverance to voice that, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:26:00):
So interesting when they do that.
Lastly, finally, the 12th personon our list today, Joaquin
Phoenix.
Crazy that he is the last personthat we are bringing up.

SPEAKER_02 (01:26:12):
That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 (01:26:13):
So he's the youngest of the kids as far as um like
look, I'm sorry, we're notcovering Gil's kids.
Um, you mentioned one of them atthe top of the episode.

SPEAKER_02 (01:26:21):
That's why I gave him the credit for the diarrhea
song.
Because it's like we're notgonna talk about the diarrhea
kid anymore.

SPEAKER_01 (01:26:26):
We're not gonna talk about diarrhea kid, but we are
gonna talk about Gary Lampkin.
Uh, and as mentioned, so Joaquinearlier in his younger life for
a period of time referred tohimself as Leaf.
So he's credited as LeafPhoenix.
What a career this guy has had.
Um, he has had an incrediblecareer.

(01:26:46):
So very much started as a childactor.
Uh, besides this film, he doesspace camp.
I am kind of speeding up alittle bit to young adulthood.
He's really good into Die For.
I think that's probably whenpeople started taking him
seriously.

SPEAKER_02 (01:27:00):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:01):
He's in that inventing the Abbots, U-turn.
He gets his first Oscarnomination, best supporting.
I think he could have gottenlead, honestly, for Gladiator.
He's in a ton of that movie, soit's like interesting that it
was supporting.

SPEAKER_02 (01:27:17):
He is, but I guess I could, yeah.
It's it's really Crows movie.

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:22):
It is, it is, but he's he does not hold back on
being just a terrible, terribleperson in that movie.
Fucking suffocates his dad,wants to sleep with his sister,
wants to murder his nephew.
It's pretty messed up.
It's it's like so messed up.

SPEAKER_02 (01:27:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:41):
Um and he's greating it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:27:43):
Speaking of messed up movies, I see that you
skipped over eight millimeter.

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:47):
I did.
But he's also in quills.
That's kind of a messed upmovie.
Yes.
I've watched that.
Yeah.
And he actually plays thestraight guy in that.
He is not, he is not uh JeffreyRush.
Okay.
But he He does that.
He is phenomenal in signs.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:28:04):
Swing away.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:05):
He's so and I was listening, I was listening to a
podcast that was talking aboutthat movie.
Apparently, he guess who wassupposed to play that role?
Uh Burt Reynolds.
Somebody realistic.
I I don't know.
Um according to what thispodcast said, it was supposed to
be Mark Ruffalo.

SPEAKER_02 (01:28:25):
Oh, I could see that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:27):
And then I don't remember he got pulled out or he
he pulled out for some reason.
And so Phoenix uh took his spotand he's pitch perfect in that
film.
So he's in that.
The village, Hotel Rwanda.
He gets his na I I totallymisremembered.
I thought he won for this, but Ishould have realized that he
didn't win until Joker.

(01:28:48):
He gets his next Oscarnomination for Walk the Line.
Yeah.
Then he goes into Oh no, hethat's a little bit later.
He does I'm Still Here.
He gets his next Oscarnomination for the Master.

SPEAKER_02 (01:29:03):
That's right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:04):
He does her.
Then he gets into his weirdphase where he does You Were
Never Really Here, where it'slike himself, I think.
But okay.
Then he finally wins.
He gets best actor for Joker.
It's a really interesting uh Idon't usually say go listen to
the acceptance speech.

SPEAKER_02 (01:29:24):
He is you just find it, find it on YouTube.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:27):
Yeah, you can easily find it.
It's clear that like he is notcomfortable.
Like he is an actor, but he'snot necessarily comfortable
being in front of a liveaudience.

SPEAKER_02 (01:29:37):
He's yeah, on a on a set doing his thing is different
than being in front of like acrowd of everyone.
Very.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:43):
And so you could tell that there's like some
social anxiety going on whenhe's accepting.
Um and he but he is passionateabout several different causes.
So he talks a lot about thingsthat he is passionate about, but
then the part that's likeheartbreaking is it's very clear
that like his brother is justalways on his mind.
And he brings up, I think, likea part of poetry or something

(01:30:07):
that that um River Phoenix wrotewhen he was like 17.
Because he wasn't even that oldwhen he passed away.
He was like what early, veryearly 20s.
Yeah, I think so.
So he he like gives that line,and you could tell he's like, I
need to walk off the stage rightnow because he's like so
emotional.
And it's just it's I I thinkeverybody's kind of wondering if

(01:30:28):
he was gonna bring up hisbrother, and I think he did it
in a very eloquent, meaningfulway.

SPEAKER_02 (01:30:33):
I can't imagine a scenario where him winning
wouldn't involve him talkingabout his brother.

SPEAKER_01 (01:30:39):
Because the thing is is that like he's had an
incredible career and he islegitimately an amazing actor.
I think to this day, everybodywho has any knowledge of Ruber
Phoenix at some point has saidwhat what could have happened
with his career if he had lived.

SPEAKER_03 (01:30:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:30:57):
Because if you look like we like you said, we've
covered Standby Me.
If you look at that fuckingperformance, it's incredible.
It's incredible.
Yeah.
Incredible what that actor didas a child.
So yeah.
He follows it up with a filmthat did not fare too well,
Joker Falia Doo.

SPEAKER_02 (01:31:16):
I I can't pronounce it.
I haven't seen it, but I'veheard that the ending suggests
that he was never, in fact, thereal Joker.

SPEAKER_01 (01:31:24):
Oh.

SPEAKER_02 (01:31:25):
I I'm not yeah, I I can't connect all the dots
there.

SPEAKER_01 (01:31:29):
I I feel like that's gonna be a film.
Like, I think it got universallypanned, but you know, these
things happen in cycles.
In ten years, people are gonnasay, Oh, it's this like
masterpiece that nobodyunderstood.

SPEAKER_02 (01:31:40):
I'll I'll watch it and I'll be like, I don't really
understand why people were asupset as they were.

SPEAKER_01 (01:31:45):
Like it's a musical, so it's you know Well, they got
Lady Gaga.

SPEAKER_02 (01:31:49):
Yeah.
So as Harley Quinn, right?
Yeah.
So that'll work.

SPEAKER_01 (01:31:53):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She actually is very goodcasting for Harley Quinn.
He does um it's what's his name,right?
Uh Bo is Afraid.
I believe that that is horror.
And it's um hereditary guy.

SPEAKER_02 (01:32:07):
Oh, okay.
Well believe so.
Yeah.
Thank you for giving me thatwarning of who it's from.

SPEAKER_01 (01:32:12):
Yeah.
Uh he does.
This was really Scott, right?
Napoleon.
That was his film.

SPEAKER_02 (01:32:16):
I think so.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:32:17):
And then more recently, Eddington.

SPEAKER_02 (01:32:20):
All right.
All right.
Join us after this quick breakwhen we get to the rest of the
cast.

SPEAKER_01 (01:32:29):
Film synopsis.
Four Buckman siblings.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:34):
Some people have kids.

SPEAKER_01 (01:32:35):
Some people have children.
Four Buckman siblings attempt toraise their children, each in
their own different style, anddeal with the joys and sorrows
that the process brings.
Sure.
Sure.

SPEAKER_02 (01:32:49):
Works for me.

SPEAKER_01 (01:32:50):
I don't have anything to say because we've
already.

SPEAKER_02 (01:32:54):
I mean, in many ways, it's like, what if we just
took a sitcom and made it intolike a two-hour feature film?

SPEAKER_01 (01:32:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:33:00):
That's that's what this kind of like felt like.

SPEAKER_01 (01:33:02):
Because the truth is fine.
Is that like, you know, I don'tknow if any of the arcs are
particularly strong.
We're just watching a littlesection of their life.

SPEAKER_02 (01:33:12):
It's a slice of life movie.

SPEAKER_01 (01:33:14):
It's a slice of life movie.
Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 (01:33:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:33:16):
And it's fine.
I appreciate that at the timethey were willing to make movies
like that.
Now again, everything gets sosegmented into what it can or
can't be.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:33:26):
So yeah, it's fine.
I mean, as far as like watchingit again.

SPEAKER_02 (01:33:31):
I mean, I I probably wouldn't go out of my way to
watch it again, but not becauselike I I've seen it a couple
times.
I remember seeing it in thetheater, I think, when it first
came out, probably because SteveMartin.

SPEAKER_01 (01:33:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:33:42):
Um, it's a it's a fun movie.
It's like dated in some ways.
I think you mentioned it's likeone of the whitest movies that
we've that we've covered.

SPEAKER_01 (01:33:51):
Oh god, is it white?
Holy shit, white and straight.

SPEAKER_02 (01:33:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Uh that's that's also very 80s.

SPEAKER_01 (01:34:01):
Yeah, no, you're absolutely right.
That would have beeninteresting.
Let's make Susan gay.
Like, let's like, can we justhave something that's just not
entirely white and straight andpumping out babies?

SPEAKER_02 (01:34:13):
But that those are the stories that we're getting
made into like crap.
It's it's the whitest movie, notjust because everyone's white,
but because it's like everyone'swhite and financially pretty
well off, and they all just havelike a bunch of kids, and this
is this is their life.

SPEAKER_01 (01:34:29):
Even Helen as a single mom, like I know, okay,
so once upon a time, kids, beinga banker actually was like a
very highly sought after andrespected career where you can
do really well.
So I'm pretty sure that Helenwas a banker, which maybe
explains the way why she wasable to support two kids totally

(01:34:50):
on her own.
Yeah.
But like normally, maybe whenyou think about single mom, you
would think of somebody who hasmore financial struggle
struggles.
That wasn't her problem at all.
They had a really fucking nicehouse.

SPEAKER_02 (01:35:02):
Yeah, no one, no one in this movie really had
financial struggles except forthat piece of shit, Larry.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:35:08):
Yeah.
So yeah, that also makes itharder when they're all just
like And the deal.

SPEAKER_02 (01:35:13):
I'm so sorry.
I forgot to bring up the dealthat Jason Robards gives Larry.

SPEAKER_01 (01:35:18):
A very generous deal.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (01:35:20):
Here, you're gonna work with me at this store.
We'll transition to where you'regonna like take it over when I
retire.
Yep.
We'll just keep paying them.
And his his like response was tojust like peace out and abandon
his kid.

SPEAKER_01 (01:35:33):
No, he is a piece of shit.

SPEAKER_02 (01:35:35):
I'm sorry, I just came.
I wanted to I wanted to get thatlast dig in.

SPEAKER_01 (01:35:37):
I think that would have been actually because like
the thing is is that once itgets to that point, nobody's
surprised that he's like, I'mgonna peace out.

SPEAKER_02 (01:35:45):
Like the kid asked the grandpa, like, my dad's not
coming back, is he?
Nope.

SPEAKER_01 (01:35:51):
And the thing is, so two things about that.
That was pretty cold.

SPEAKER_02 (01:35:54):
Nope.

SPEAKER_01 (01:35:55):
Two things about that.
One, again, I'm gonna likedouble down on what I said
earlier.
If you had shown a scene wherehis kid loved being with him,
yeah, and he actually was reallygood at being with his kid, that
would have made that momentwhere he's like, I'm gonna piece
out.

SPEAKER_02 (01:36:10):
Yeah, more heartbreaking.
More heartbreaking.

SPEAKER_01 (01:36:12):
So, first of all, there's that, but then also I
don't actually believe thatthey're never gonna see him
again because you know what?
He's gonna come back the nexttime he needs money.

SPEAKER_02 (01:36:19):
Yeah, you're probably right.
So it's like is the TV show umfollowing the same characters or
totally different characters?

SPEAKER_01 (01:36:28):
That's a really good question.

SPEAKER_02 (01:36:29):
Does Larry come back in a TV show?

SPEAKER_01 (01:36:31):
I don't know.
I don't know about the first uhversion of the TV show.
I a tiny bit watched the secondone.
It had um Craig T.
Nelson.

SPEAKER_03 (01:36:41):
Oh.

SPEAKER_01 (01:36:42):
He was the patriarch.
Uh I don't even remember who thekids were.
I see one of them in my head,but I can't remember her name.
Okay.
Um anyway, so I don't know howstrictly they followed the
characters that were set up inthis film.
Got it.
But okay.

(01:37:02):
Uh call the action.
I mean, as far as like, okay,well, sorry, I'm backtracking.
I enjoy the film.
I don't need to see it againsuper soon.
Yeah.
And that's so call the action.
I mean, I am curious.
First of all, I never saw thefirst TV show.
So I'd like to know what that'sabout, how closely they stuck to

(01:37:27):
the film.
And also, what are your thoughtsabout even just a film like this
getting made?
The fact that, like, again, I Ithink we're in agreement that
they would not be making a filmlike this today, they would
immediately say this goes totelevision.

SPEAKER_02 (01:37:39):
Yeah, I just want to know if you can make a balloon
animal, uh, reach out to us andjust say yes.
And if if you can't, if youcan't, just respond with no.
And we'll we'll compile allthose results.

SPEAKER_01 (01:37:52):
His his churn is um, I don't remember what his cowboy
name was, but that was fun.
That was, yeah.
It's fun.
If you want to reach out, we'dlove to hear from you.
You can do so through Facebook,Instagram, or Blue Sky.
It's the same handle at allthree.
It is at 80smontagepod, and 80sis 80 S.

(01:38:12):
Sneak peek.

SPEAKER_02 (01:38:14):
What do we got?

SPEAKER_01 (01:38:15):
Well, first of all, in between this episode and the
next episode, we are actuallyhitting our six-year
anniversary.
Wow.
Fun, huh?
Happy anniversary.
So this next film, okay, so it'sgonna be dropping a few days
after Valentine's Day, but Iwanted to do something romantic.

SPEAKER_02 (01:38:35):
Is it Valentine's Day, the horror movie?

SPEAKER_01 (01:38:37):
No, we already did that.
My bloody Valentine's Day.
That's right, yeah.
We did that one.

SPEAKER_02 (01:38:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:38:41):
So this is like legit, this is like pure
romance.

unknown (01:38:45):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:38:46):
We haven't done a film like this, I don't know if
ever.
Pure romance.

SPEAKER_02 (01:38:50):
Is that the name?
No.
Oh, okay.
Um, I'm trying to.

SPEAKER_01 (01:38:54):
What's a clue?
What's a clue?
Uh what I think it's set on likeMackinac Island.

SPEAKER_02 (01:39:02):
Whoa.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:39:04):
A hotel.

SPEAKER_02 (01:39:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:39:06):
Picture of an actress.

SPEAKER_02 (01:39:09):
Picture of an actress at a hotel on Mackinac
Island.

SPEAKER_01 (01:39:18):
Time travel.

SPEAKER_02 (01:39:20):
Oh my god.
If you if you had said likeSuperman, I would have gotten
it.
But somewhere in time.

SPEAKER_01 (01:39:25):
Yes.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:39:27):
I've never seen it.
Yeah, neither have I.
It sounds like I've read whatit's about.
It sounds interesting.

SPEAKER_01 (01:39:32):
Yeah.
I'm I'm very curious to watchhim in a non-Superman role.

SPEAKER_03 (01:39:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:39:36):
It will be, I think, the first time we're covering
Christopher.
Well, and and every almosteverybody involved.

SPEAKER_03 (01:39:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:39:42):
Um, but yeah, somewhere in time.
So doing a little bit ofromantic fare for Valentine's
Day.
And in the meantime, just thankyou to everyone out there for
following along with us.
We really appreciate it.
We know you have lots of podcastoptions.
So thank you for following alongand listening, and we will talk
to you again in two weeks' time.

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