Somewhere in Time

In this episode, Anna and Derek debate the viability of thinking real hard to go back in time, just how romantic Richard's insistence is (or isn't), and much more during their discussion of period piece tearjerker Somewhere in Time (1980). 

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Anna Keizer and Derek Dehanke are the co-hosts of ‘80s Movie Montage. The idea for the podcast came when they realized just how much they talk – a lot – when watching films from their favorite cinematic era. Their wedding theme was “a light nod to the ‘80s,” so there’s that, too. Both hail from the Midwest but have called Los Angeles home for several years now. Anna is a writer who received her B.A. in Film/Video from Columbia College Chicago and M.A. in Film Studies from Chapman University. Her dark comedy short She Had It Coming was an Official Selection of 25 film festivals with several awards won for it among them. Derek is an attorney who also likes movies. It is a point of pride that most of their podcast episodes are longer than the movies they cover.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_00 (00:10):
You're like to walk with me, young man, I have
another class.
What's your name?
Collier, sir.
Richard Collier.
Student?
Uh yes, I was nine years ago.
Well, I tried to make my classesinteresting, but nine years.
What can I do for you?
I have a question for you, sir.
Is time travel possible?
That is a question.

SPEAKER_01 (00:30):
Hello, and welcome to 80s movie montage.
This is Derek.

SPEAKER_04 (00:33):
And this is Anna.

SPEAKER_01 (00:34):
And that was Pat Billingsley as Professor and
Christopher Reeve as RichardCollier in 1980s, somewhere in
time.
Did we get an answer to that?

SPEAKER_04 (00:47):
1912.

SPEAKER_01 (00:49):
We got an answer in terms of is time travel
possible?
But was it a satisfactoryanswer?

SPEAKER_04 (00:54):
I mean, I don't know if we did get an answer to okay,
so well, I'm getting ahead ofmyself.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00):
We're getting away ahead of things.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02):
I think that uh I don't I don't want to detract
from the film, and I don't oftentalk about source material and
how it differs from somethingthat's been adapted.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:13):
But I read that in the book, I think it is uh
mentioned that he has like abrain tumor.
Oh which may in the book givesome doubt on whether or not he
actually time traveled or if hewas hallucinating based on the
tumor.

SPEAKER_01 (01:32):
So that would have been that would have kind of
made sense because I already hadenough doubt, but if he had some
medical condition, that wouldhave at least made the the
storyline itself a little bitmore plausible, if not the whole
time travel device.

SPEAKER_04 (01:49):
Device?
You mean like thinking real hardabout being in 1912?

SPEAKER_01 (01:53):
So yes.
That's the device.
The answer to the question of istime travel possible is go to a
hotel room, just lay down, tripout, repeat the same thing over
and over again, and you too canvisit any time that you desire.

SPEAKER_04 (02:08):
I do like I do like the idea of surrounding yourself
with things that could only beof that era.
I think that's kind of a neatlittle part of it.

SPEAKER_01 (02:18):
Like that felt that felt it feels and felt.
It felt as though the onlyreason that rule existed was so
that we get the penny at theend.

SPEAKER_04 (02:29):
Right.
But I do, but I do kind of likethere's nothing that makes sense
about this methodology of timetravel.
But that made the most sense tome.

SPEAKER_01 (02:38):
Look, a fucking DeLorean going 88 miles an hour
made more sense than whathappened in this.

SPEAKER_04 (02:44):
All right.
So some more time, which also iskind of funny because we should
um, if we ever get to the pointin this podcast where we do like
compilation type podcasts.

SPEAKER_02 (02:53):
Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (02:54):
The 80s is uh there's a plethora of time
travel movies.

SPEAKER_01 (03:00):
They were obsessed with traveling back in time.

SPEAKER_04 (03:03):
Obsessed with traveling in time.
Anyway, okay, so somewhere intime.
Real quick, just because wedon't cover this category, it is
an Oscar nominated film.
Can you can you guess whichcategory it was nominated for?

SPEAKER_01 (03:15):
It has to be for the soundtrack, for the score.

SPEAKER_04 (03:18):
It is not.

SPEAKER_01 (03:19):
Oh my god, what was it for?

SPEAKER_04 (03:21):
Take a guess.
We're talking about a periodpiece.

SPEAKER_01 (03:24):
Costume?

SPEAKER_04 (03:24):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (03:25):
Okay.
So Which is funny since everyonehated is it because everyone
hated his suit?

SPEAKER_04 (03:29):
You know what's funny is that the suit itself, I
don't really care, and I and Iam not um educated enough in
terms of like fashions of the1910s to know that at that time
what he was wearing wasconsidered out of date.

SPEAKER_01 (03:47):
I mean, he was basically wearing late 1800
garbage.

SPEAKER_04 (03:51):
Yeah, which I mean that I mean that is kind of
funny that everybody wasremarking on his outfit.
But my whole thing was like, ohmy god, dude, you've been
wearing the same outfit fordays.
Like take a shower.
Anyway, I I showers, bath?
That's the other thing that'salways interesting.

SPEAKER_01 (04:08):
There was no Febreze back then.

SPEAKER_04 (04:10):
That's the other thing that's always interesting
to me about period pieces,especially something that is
like, I don't know, I guess Iwould say preceding maybe the
1950s.
I am always very hyper aware oflike what I'm seeing in the film
to be like, is that historicallyaccurate?
Like, did they have that at thattime?
Did they not have that at thattime?
Like I always am kind ofclocking that.

(04:31):
Not that I am again educatedenough to know.
I'm just curious.

SPEAKER_01 (04:35):
But well, like when we saw um oh my goodness, what
was oh return to Oz and theFlashlights.

SPEAKER_04 (04:41):
Yeah, yeah, that seemed egregious.
But anyway, so just wanted toget that out of the way.
That uh it is an Oscar-nominatedfilm.
You already mentioned 1980.
And so this is very much basedon a like a known book.
The novel is Bid Time Return.

SPEAKER_01 (05:03):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (05:04):
And the person who wrote that book also did write
the screenplay for this film.

SPEAKER_01 (05:09):
Interesting.
So they have no one to complainto but themselves.

SPEAKER_04 (05:13):
He reminds, not in terms of necessarily his work,
although I think he does he doeshave some um horror to his name.
But Richard Matheson, so thenovelist and the screenwriter
for this, he passed in 2013.
But if you look through hisfilmography, it kind of reminds
me a little bit of um StephenKing.
He's very popular.
He's had his stuff adapted alot.

(05:34):
Interestingly.
And will probably continue tocontinue to.

SPEAKER_01 (05:38):
So I had no idea some of these uh credits that
I'm seeing were his.
Right.
And there are some that likeI'll let you get through them,
but there are some that aresomewhat shocking to me.

SPEAKER_04 (05:49):
It's interesting because some of them, and I
tried to note the cred the IMDBcredits he had that were from
his own novel, and and whetheror not just somebody else
adapted his novel, he also was ascreenwriter on it.
And then there are other timeswhere he is adapting somebody
else's work.
So it's really interestingbecause he himself has had like
he's either adapted his ownwork, somebody else has adapted

(06:12):
his work, or he's adaptedsomebody else's work.
So I don't know.
I just thought that was kind ofinteresting.
Um, so one of his novels, TheShrinking Man, yeah, has been
adapted several times over.
So first we have the incredibleshrinking man is the name of the
movie.
Interesting.
He did the screenplay for it aswell.
And then he goes on this umEdgar Allan Poe kind of.

(06:36):
I I don't know if he was a fanof the writer, but I believe
these are all Poe propertiesHouse of Usher, The Pit in the
Pendulum, and The Raven.

SPEAKER_01 (06:45):
Yes, yeah, very much.

SPEAKER_04 (06:46):
He adapted all of those for different various film
versions of those properties.
So this is the one that Ithought you would find the most
interesting.
He is the writer of the book IAm Legend.

SPEAKER_01 (06:59):
That's the one.
That's the one that like stuckout, yeah, stood out to me when
I saw that.
I'm like, oh wow, because I knowthat there were like pretty
significant changes made in inthat screenplay.

SPEAKER_04 (07:11):
I am not uh familiar enough, but it's the one with
Will Smith is hardly the firsttime this was adapted.
So I didn't know that either.
Yeah, it's been adapted a coupletimes over.
So, first of all, he did he didhis own screenplay f based off
the novel for a film called LastMan on Earth.
So that was the I think thefirst time.

SPEAKER_03 (07:32):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (07:33):
Um I guess I could just go through a couple of them
right now.
So then the next time, sosomebody else I believe adapted
the novel I Am Legend into thebook, or I'm sorry, into the
movie, The Omega Man.
So that was one version of it.
And then later on, we get justthe film I Am Legend based off
the novel.
So there have been a coupletimes over that it's been

(07:54):
adapted.

SPEAKER_01 (07:55):
Yeah, that's one where like the changes they work
so well that when you watch themovie or you just kind of accept
that like, oh, this this likeworld, like what they've built,
totally makes sense.
Zombies things that were resultsof like human medical things
gone wrong.
But then when I if you like readthe wiki about the differences

(08:18):
and like, oh, that sounds like asuper big difference if you in
terms of like who's responsiblefor what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_04 (08:26):
I've heard that there are differences, but I
don't know enough about thatproperty.

SPEAKER_01 (08:29):
Yeah, the I am legend has like a different
significance based on like oneor the other.

SPEAKER_04 (08:34):
He worked on the film Die, die, my darling.
I think I've brought that upbefore.
This was another credit that Ithought was so interesting.
So, Steven Spielberg's firstclaim to fame was the TV movie
Duel.

SPEAKER_01 (08:47):
Yeah, that guy.
That look, everyone, don't messwith uh big regs on the road.

SPEAKER_04 (08:52):
Matheson wrote it.
Wow.
So that's kind of fun.
And like I said, he has uhdabbled in oh, I forgot one of
the shrinking men, or no, Idon't think I So not the
incredible shrinking woman.
No, he did.
That's actually what I was gonnabring up.

SPEAKER_01 (09:06):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (09:07):
Um, so they adapted that.
He did a TV series called Circleof Fear.
I don't okay, so I remember whenwe covered the film Twilight
Zone the Movie, there were somany credits to get through
because we had four differentsegments that were all helmed by
different directors and they hadtheir own crews for every
segment.
So I honestly don't remember ifwe brought him up as a

(09:29):
screenwriter for Twilight Zonethe movie, but he did work on
one of the segments.

SPEAKER_01 (09:34):
He worked on um segments three, four.
Both of them?

SPEAKER_04 (09:40):
Oh, I bet you we did bring it up because now that's
beginning to ring a bell thatone of the writers uh worked on
a couple segments.
So he did that.
Uh Jaws 3D.

SPEAKER_01 (09:50):
He wrote the 3D part.

SPEAKER_04 (09:53):
I don't know.
I wonder what I wonder as ascreenwriter what you hmm.
I never I never even thoughtabout writing a script that had
like a 3D component to it.
I wonder how that changes theway that you would if it does.
Would it?
I was totally just Well, I mean,like, look, you're not really
supposed to put like camera uhinstructions in a script, but I

(10:14):
wonder if just the way that youdescribed I don't know.
Anyway.

SPEAKER_01 (10:16):
Shark breaks through glass, kills audience.

SPEAKER_04 (10:20):
Uh he wrote the novel, What Dreams May Come.

SPEAKER_01 (10:24):
Which is really interesting when you consider
like that movie and this movie.

SPEAKER_04 (10:31):
Yes.
So he he has kind of this likehis own pendulum swing because
he has these fantastical filmslike Somewhere in Time and What
Dreams May Come.
And then he has a film like, orum, a book like I Am Legend, and
he also wrote the book Stir ofEchoes.

SPEAKER_01 (10:49):
Which is a great movie.
I love that.

SPEAKER_04 (10:51):
Yeah, it is a great underrated actually.

SPEAKER_01 (10:54):
It very much is, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (10:55):
It's been a while since I've watched it.
Um, but I will probably waittill next Halloween season.
And then uh I already mentionedThe Wolvesmith, I Am Legend, and
then there was another morerecent version of the novel The
Shrinking Man.
So I I presume people willcontinue to go to his works to
do new films, maybe television,but I have I think mostly films.

(11:20):
Okay, moving on to the director.
Oh my goodness.
This um Jeann Swark.
Thank you.
I don't even know what accentthat was.

SPEAKER_01 (11:34):
Well, I looked at the I looked at the name and I
heard the pause and I'm like,I'm just gonna go.

SPEAKER_04 (11:39):
He unfortunately, this is uh this is gonna be an
episode where quite a few peoplehave passed away.
So uh he he has passed.
He's probably the most recent ofthe individuals who were part of
this movie that passed.
He passed just a little bit overa year ago, January 14th, uh
2025.
So I have even though, okay,this is not first of all the

(12:01):
first time we brought him up.
I don't know if you rememberthat.
Um, but even though we havebrought him up before, he is far
more well known for TV.
He had a ton, ton, ton of TVwork.
So I'm just gonna go inchronological order.
So it kind of starts with TV,ends with TV.

SPEAKER_02 (12:21):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (12:22):
So very early in his career, he worked on Marcus
Welby MD, Night Gallery, Kojak.

SPEAKER_02 (12:29):
Kojak.

SPEAKER_04 (12:30):
Then he directs Jaws 2, and I think actually off the
I think I read that off thesuccess of Jaws 2, that's how he
got this gig.
Because I think he wanted to hewanted to do this movie.

SPEAKER_01 (12:41):
Jaws 2 wasn't terrible.

SPEAKER_04 (12:44):
I'm I'm kind of okay.
Jaws 3D for fun.

SPEAKER_01 (12:48):
Yeah.
And then there is one afterthat.
Michael Kane, right?
Yeah, um, like the revenge.

SPEAKER_04 (12:54):
Yeah, so those are fun.
Jaws 2.
It makes me sad to watch Jaws 2because I think that uh Roy
Scheider did not, he was justcontractually obligated, he did
not want to be part of themovie.

SPEAKER_01 (13:07):
Well, that's tough to be contractually like that.
Like reason for the wordblockbuster.

SPEAKER_04 (13:19):
That was like the pinnacle of your career.
Yeah.
Although I wonder if he thinksthat that was the pinnacle of
his career.
Maybe not.
I don't I look.
Although he's excellent in thatmovie.
I mean, that's that is ablockbuster film, action/slash
horror, that actually hasamazing acting in the film.
Yeah.
That doesn't come along a lot,especially nowadays.

SPEAKER_01 (13:37):
I would say that he had potentially more impressive
performance in Sorcerer.

SPEAKER_04 (13:43):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (13:44):
Yeah.
Which was around that similartime, only a couple years or so.

SPEAKER_04 (13:48):
Is he in the French connection?
I don't remember.
Anyway, so Jaws 2, Enigma,Supergirl.
So the time that we brought himup, this is another one of those
things where they changed thetitle of the film.
At the time that we covered thisfilm, it was called Santa Claus
Colon the movie.
Now it's just called SantaClaus, which is super lame.

SPEAKER_01 (14:11):
I'm not not okay with that.

SPEAKER_04 (14:13):
Not okay with that.

SPEAKER_01 (14:14):
Santa Claus.

SPEAKER_04 (14:15):
But he directed that.
And now we bounce back totelevision a lot.
A lot, a lot of television.
The practice, Jag, Without aTrace, Smallville.
So he comes back to the Supermanuh franchise.
You are watching this right now.
He's directed some or he diddirect some episodes of Fringe.

SPEAKER_01 (14:34):
Fringe is kind of like what if the X-Files in
Supernatural had a biggerbudget?

SPEAKER_04 (14:40):
I thought you were gonna say had a baby.

SPEAKER_01 (14:42):
No, that'd be weird.

SPEAKER_04 (14:43):
Well, he also directed some episodes of
Supernatural.

SPEAKER_01 (14:46):
I saw that, yeah.
There you go.
This guy, I mean, it's so wildthat so many people involved in
this movie that I did not likehave done so many things that I
have enjoyed.

SPEAKER_04 (14:58):
And uh to top it off, and and this is just a
fraction of what he's done.
It's just that these are theshows that he had a little bit
more like he had like multipleum episodes that he worked on
for them.
Bones and Grace Anatomy.
Okay.
Okay, cinematography.
Isidore Menkovsky.

(15:19):
He too has passed.
He passed in 2021.
Um it actually, okay, it's beena really long time, but this is
not the first time that we'vebrought him up.

SPEAKER_01 (15:31):
Really?

SPEAKER_04 (15:31):
Yeah.
And honestly, there are there'sat least one other time I think
he'll he'll come up again,although I don't know how
quickly we're gonna cover thismovie.
So he shot this film, and I havewell, he did do a ton of TV
movies, very much bread andbutter, but did he shoot this

(15:51):
film or edit this film?

SPEAKER_01 (15:53):
He should he shot it.
He shot it.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (15:54):
Did I say edit?

SPEAKER_01 (15:56):
No, you said you said shoot.
I said edit because I waslooking at the wrong name.

SPEAKER_04 (15:59):
Oh, okay, okay.
So some of his credits include Ijust like uh I like the way this
sounds aka Cassius Clay.

SPEAKER_01 (16:08):
Cassius Clay?

SPEAKER_04 (16:09):
Oh.

SPEAKER_01 (16:10):
Like Muhammad Ali?

SPEAKER_04 (16:11):
Yeah, I never I never really called him by that
name.
So I never said it out loud,probably No, no, how do you say
it?
Cassius.
Cassius, not Cassius.

SPEAKER_01 (16:19):
Cassius.

SPEAKER_04 (16:20):
Cassius.
My apologies.
He shot Judd.
I love this.
Werewolves on wheels.
Nice.
Scream, and now that I'm likegoing through, I'm like, oh
yeah, I kind of remember goingthrough some of these credits.
Scream black Black Cula Scream.

SPEAKER_01 (16:35):
Oh, so the full title is Scream Black Cause
Scream.
Correct.
Got it.
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (16:39):
So he has an uncredited credit for Carrie,
and I was like, what's thatabout?
I don't know if this came up thethe first time we spoke of him,
but basically he and uh DePalma, De Palma fired him off
the film.
Wow.
So but he must have I I'mguessing he had a couple a
couple scenes in the can, so butthat's what the uncredited

(17:01):
credit is for.
He did the Muppet movie.
Nice.
He did the 1980 The Jazz Singer.
We covered him for Better OffDead.
Okay.
We did that one with Megan.
Go check that one out.
The other film that I think atsome point we will cover is One
Crazy Summer.

SPEAKER_01 (17:17):
Probably.
That one is almost too silly forsilly sake.

SPEAKER_04 (17:23):
It's really silly.

SPEAKER_01 (17:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (17:26):
It's really silly.

SPEAKER_01 (17:27):
I don't know how else to describe it.

SPEAKER_04 (17:28):
It it will come up at some point, but anyway.
And then his final featurecredit was 2007's Too Loud a
Solitude.

SPEAKER_01 (17:37):
Are you really not gonna mention that he shot Ewoks
The Battle for Endor?

SPEAKER_04 (17:42):
Yeah, I remember seeing that.
Sorry, I didn't put that one in.

SPEAKER_01 (17:45):
TV movie.

SPEAKER_04 (17:46):
Okay, so we have definitely brought this
gentleman up before John Barry.
He was the composer on this.
He too has passed.
He passed in 2011.
So prolific composer.
And a lot of people talk aboutthe music in this film.

SPEAKER_01 (18:07):
They do.

SPEAKER_04 (18:08):
I'll be honest, it it doesn't quite grab me the way
that it has grabbed others, butthat doesn't mean anything.

SPEAKER_01 (18:15):
It's the problem is that it um much like their
relationship, it just goes alittle bit too heavy too fast,
and I'm not feeling it.

SPEAKER_04 (18:24):
I think that it's it's not that it bothered me.
I mean, we have um what was themovie we were watching?
We're like, oh my god, thescore.
Oh, color money.

unknown (18:33):
Right?

SPEAKER_04 (18:33):
But it wasn't the score of the soundtrack.

SPEAKER_01 (18:35):
Yeah, and then also that vampire one.

SPEAKER_04 (18:37):
Yes, near was it near dark?

SPEAKER_01 (18:39):
After before dark, sometime after around dark.
Near dark.
Near dark.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (18:44):
Um, yeah.
So there have been a handful oftimes where the music, whether
it's like score or soundtrack,has gotten, in my my humble
opinion, has gotten in the wayof the film.

SPEAKER_01 (18:53):
Do you think it got in the way of this?

SPEAKER_04 (18:55):
I don't, but it I feel like sometimes it has more
impact if you're not constantlyplaying it.

SPEAKER_01 (19:05):
That soundtrack, the the score was writing checks
that the rest of the movie couldnot cash.

SPEAKER_04 (19:09):
I mean, very romantic.

SPEAKER_01 (19:11):
Yeah.
That's exactly what I mean.

SPEAKER_04 (19:15):
So uh, and I I do remember talking about this
gentleman the last time webrought him up.
Unfortunately, I don't well, no,that's not true.
There are a couple.
So his whole his biggest claimto claim to fame is like working
on a ton of James Bond movies.

SPEAKER_01 (19:31):
That's awesome.

SPEAKER_04 (19:32):
Yeah, I think he worked on like 12 of them.

SPEAKER_01 (19:35):
I have I have like seen the list of all the James
Bond films.
So yeah, that's that's supercool.

SPEAKER_04 (19:40):
So And he is an Oscar-winning composer, not for
any of the James Bond films, butlet's go through his credits.
So I think the very first p Bondfilm he worked on was Dr.
No.

SPEAKER_01 (19:51):
That is the very first Bond film.

SPEAKER_04 (19:53):
Oh, is it?

SPEAKER_01 (19:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (19:54):
Oh, okay.
Well, there you go.
Um, from Russia with Love.

SPEAKER_01 (19:57):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (19:58):
I put this one in just because we have our little
nugget napping alongside us forthis episode, the Winston
Affair.
So he did that.
He did the orchestral music, uh,Goldfinger, Thunderball.
So he his first Oscarnominations were also his first
wins.
He got double nominations, bestoriginal score, and best

(20:20):
original song for Born Free.
Did you ever watch that?
For some reason, it was like oneof those movies that um when I
was in school, if it was like,oh, they're just gonna play a
movie today.

SPEAKER_01 (20:31):
Really?
That's what they would play?

SPEAKER_04 (20:32):
Not every single time, but they did.
Swiss Family Robinson was theone that they played all the
time.
But either that or Glory.
We watched Glory in school.
That was really hard to watch inschool.
Um, but Born Free.
Anyway, uh, he did Dutchman.
You only live twice.

SPEAKER_01 (20:53):
Yeah, that was another uh Sean Connery, one of
the Sean Connery Bond films.

SPEAKER_04 (20:58):
He gets his next next Oscar win for Best Original
Score for The Lion in Winter.
More Bond Work on Her Majesty'sSecret Service.
That's the one with the one-offguy, right?

SPEAKER_01 (21:08):
And I think Telly Savalas was in it as the as the
Bond villain.

SPEAKER_04 (21:13):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (21:13):
In some ways, I think that was almost meant to
be like a like a prequel.
Why did I say prequel like that?
Like a prequel.

SPEAKER_04 (21:20):
What's his name?
Is it George Larambie?

SPEAKER_01 (21:22):
Yeah, I think it is.
Okay.
It look, that one, I feel likepeople now talk about it like,
oh, I love that one.
Nobody loved that one.

SPEAKER_04 (21:31):
It's just trendy to.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (21:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (21:34):
So he worked on the film.
I feel like this has been comingup a lot lately.
They might be giants.
Yeah.
Diamonds are forever.
Some more bond work, right?

SPEAKER_01 (21:45):
Sean Connery in Vegas.
The whole thing.
Yeah, it's based out of Vegas.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (21:49):
Oh.
He gets an Oscar nomination bestoriginal score for Mary Queen of
Scots.
Is uh Man with the Golden Gun?
That's Bond.

SPEAKER_01 (21:57):
It sure is.
Okay.
I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04 (22:00):
I do not know that franchise really almost at all.

SPEAKER_01 (22:02):
I don't think it was the first Roger Moore.
I don't think so, but it was,yeah, it was one of the Roger
Moore movies with the uh guyfrom Fantasy Island.

SPEAKER_04 (22:10):
Oh, okay.
I'm about halfway through hiscredits.
He was prolific.

SPEAKER_01 (22:14):
I'll stop talking about the Bond movies.

SPEAKER_04 (22:18):
He worked on the 76 King Kong Moonraker.
Mm-hmm Body Heat.
He probably can come up forBody.
All these films in the 80s.
I'm maybe at some point we'llcover.
Body Heat, Octopusy, The CottonClub, A View to a Kill.
He gets his next Oscar win bestoriginal score for Out of
Africa.
Howard.

(22:38):
Then he does Howard the Duck.
He goes from Out of Africa toHoward the Duck.
That's like whiplash.
Yes.
We brought him up.
And actually, I do rememberliking the score.
Peggy Sue got married.

SPEAKER_01 (22:51):
I was so sure you were going to say the Golden
Child.

SPEAKER_04 (22:54):
Oh, I didn't even include that.
I missed that one.

SPEAKER_01 (22:57):
Well, he composed some unused music and was
uncredited.
Oh.
But he he's listed it in IMDB aswell.

SPEAKER_04 (23:03):
But the music was never used.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, then I don't feel so bad.

SPEAKER_01 (23:07):
Don't feel bad.

SPEAKER_04 (23:08):
The Living Daylights.
He gets his last Oscar win, bestoriginal score for Dances with
Wolves, but his last Oscarnomination was for Chaplin.
He does Indecent Proposal.
I don't know why he did acouple, um, I'm sure no, no
connection really, except forthe fact that Demi Moore stars
in both of them.
He did Indecent Proposal and TheScarlet Letter.

(23:30):
And then his final featurecredit was 2001's Enigma.

SPEAKER_01 (23:35):
Okay.
Whew.
Okay.
There's a lot of impressivetalent associated with this
film.

SPEAKER_04 (23:40):
There is.
And I it's fine to go throughthose longer lists because we're
gonna act in in stark contrastto the last episode that we did,
we're gonna have a pretty tightcast list.
So anyway, film editing.

SPEAKER_02 (23:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (23:56):
Jeff Gorson, when I saw his name, I was like, why
does that name sound sofamiliar?
And then I was like, oh, okay,that's why.
So uh I'll I'll get to that in asecond.
Um, that as subtles that so Ihave okay, so I have all films

(24:16):
for him, except he has this onereally interesting credit that
has nothing to do with his filmediting work.
So uh we can cover a lot ofthese films, and actually one I
would really love to cover thisseason because I do it's it's
not a perfect movie, but I dolove it.
Um he this is not the one I'mtalking about, but he did cut
Tron, the original Tron.

(24:38):
I'm sure at some point we'll dothat.

SPEAKER_01 (24:40):
Maybe like when I'm 70, they'll make another Tron
movie.

SPEAKER_04 (24:45):
He cut the film Perfect with uh, I believe Jamie
Lee Curtis and John Travolta.

SPEAKER_02 (24:50):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (24:50):
Flight So we can do Flight of the Navigator.
I mean, we could have done thetwo previous films too, but
probably sooner than those, wewould do Flight of the
Navigator.
The one that I would like to doeven sooner is Can't Buy Me
Love.
So he cut that, big top Pee-wee.
Now I'm like, oh, that's why Irecognize this this name because
here are some more of hiscredits.
Happy Gilmore, Big Daddy, LittleNikki, Mr.

(25:13):
Deeds, Anger Management, 51stAights, The Longest Yard, Click.
I now pronounce you Chuck andLarry.
So he became Adam Sandler'sgo-to.

SPEAKER_01 (25:21):
Yeah, if you get in good.

SPEAKER_04 (25:23):
If you get in good with Adam Sandler's crew, you're
good.
You're you're good.
So and then the one credit thatI was talking about that was
like, oh, how funny, is that hewas he has producing credits,
namely the original Quantum Leapshow.

SPEAKER_01 (25:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (25:40):
So he was a producer on like I think the entirety of
it.

SPEAKER_01 (25:43):
That show was good.
A lot of things have not agedwell.
I'm sure people have seen likeclips from episodes where he
says stuff where it's like, oh.

SPEAKER_04 (25:52):
Not I think he doesn't he use the R word.

SPEAKER_01 (25:55):
He he does, yeah.
Yeah.
Um for when he leapt intosomeone with uh some cognitive
issues.
Yeah.
Um I feel like the the rebootedversion of it.
You really liked it.
I thought it it like really hadsome like I was optimistic that
it had somewhere to go.

(26:15):
They could never get Bacula toto like come back and she's
like, come on, man.

unknown (26:20):
That's okay.

SPEAKER_01 (26:21):
But he was he's still in that universe.
Like they constantly would talkabout Dr.
Beckett.

SPEAKER_04 (26:27):
Well can give the fans what they want.
It just it's just why are yougonna be that way?

SPEAKER_01 (26:30):
You don't have five minutes.
Come on.

SPEAKER_04 (26:32):
Yeah.
I look, I I think I've said onthis show that like performers
aren't necessarily obligated tofans, but it's like, come on,
like you know that's whateverybody wanted.
They wanted you to come back tothat.
Like, what is the big deal?

SPEAKER_01 (26:48):
Wait on like another CSI, another Star Trek reboot.
Come on, Dr.
Beckett.

SPEAKER_04 (26:54):
Fuck.
Okay, so moving on to the starsof the film.
Starting with Christopher Reeve.
Mm-hmm.
So it's kind of interesting thatthis is the first time we've
brought him up for like maybehe's come up in passing, but

(27:14):
this is the first time we'reactually featuring him on an
episode.
Yeah.
I'm sure won't be the last.
We just um we haven't coveredany Superman movies yet.

SPEAKER_01 (27:22):
So we can cover two and three, I think.
Can we cover four if we if weare so inclined?

SPEAKER_04 (27:28):
If we are so inclined.

SPEAKER_01 (27:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (27:30):
Uh yeah, I mean, yeah.
Uh the original Superman.
Unfortunately, that's a 70smovie.

SPEAKER_01 (27:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (27:37):
Uh, if we did cover Superman 2, I would personally
like to do the Donner Cut.

SPEAKER_01 (27:41):
Well, I would propose we're gonna have to
watch them both the same night,but we could if we watch both,
we'd I think it would be liketalking about some of the sure,
no problem.

SPEAKER_04 (27:53):
We could do that.
But yeah, so this is the firsttime we've brought him up, and
he you mentioned it at the topof the episode because that was
the clip you pulled.
He plays Richard, how do you sayhis last name?

SPEAKER_01 (28:04):
Collier.

SPEAKER_04 (28:04):
Collier.

SPEAKER_01 (28:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (28:06):
Um he was a much beloved actor.
I mean, how do you he still tothis day is the best Superman
ever.

SPEAKER_01 (28:15):
He he is.
Like I he is Superman.
It's impossible for me to thinkof the Superman character, and I
know that he wasn't the firstSuperman, but for me, he is like
the best Superman.

SPEAKER_04 (28:25):
I think he is the most beloved Superman.

SPEAKER_01 (28:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (28:28):
And from I am I am hardly, hardly an expert.
I'm not even I can't evenscratch the surface of like DC
comics and what that character'ssupposed to be.
But from what I have heard, whatI have read, he best
encapsulated what that characterwas supposed to be.

SPEAKER_01 (28:48):
I think the the most current one, like the newest one
that came out, um is probablycloser to that than the uh Henry
Henry Caville one where he wasjust there there was more of
like a harder edge in in that, Ithink.
But then the most current onemaybe skewed a little bit, and

(29:08):
it's it was James Gunn, right?
So it got a little bit goofier,which just is on it was like,
what if Superman was a Guardiansof the Galaxy type movie?

SPEAKER_04 (29:16):
Yeah.
Uh I haven't watched that oneyet, but yeah, I was recently
listening to a podcast wherethey were talking about uh what
is it, Batman v Superman?

SPEAKER_01 (29:27):
Oh, the one with uh Affleck.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (29:30):
And I mean, man oh man, were they trashing that
film?
But part of what I do agreewith, okay, so I remember
watching the original in thetheater with you and our friend
Jacqueline, and I didn't Ididn't hate that film at all.
I didn't really think about itat the end, but like they kept
referring to it, and this islike not funny, but they kept

(29:51):
referring to the end of theoriginal Superman movie with
Cavill as 759-11s because ofjust all the damage that they
did to the city, and so that'sthe way that it looked at the
first, which isn't it is an offbase, but because they had like
that whole like machine that wasthat was like going to destroy

(30:15):
the entire planet.

SPEAKER_01 (30:16):
So even if you didn't have that, then you have
these two guys flying around inthe city destroying everything
like destroying the entire city,yeah.
Like a Dragon Ball anime justlike destroying everything.

SPEAKER_04 (30:26):
And I guess I do appreciate that like Batman does
bring that up in in Batman vSuperman of just how much damage
he did to the city.
But their biggest complaintabout that film and just in
general that version of the DCuniverse is just how dark and
bland and unfunny and like superserious it all is.

SPEAKER_01 (30:47):
Well that's why like they overcorrected a little bit
in this one that when they madea point of him saving a
squirrel.
It's like I get it, that's fine.
I it doesn't it doesn't botherme, but I like people really
seem to think a feel a certainway about this squirrel thing.

SPEAKER_04 (31:00):
All to say, Reeve brought in in not equal parts,
but in the correct parts.

SPEAKER_03 (31:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (31:09):
Like the the real superhero version of that
character, but like the comedyand the like the goofiness of
Clark Kent.
And actually in this film andsomewhere in time, when he
first, I guess I'll say arrivesin 1912 and he's trying to get
out of that hotel room, and hedoes so successfully, but then

(31:31):
the guy opens the door and he'slike, Did you just see somebody
trying to come in here?

SPEAKER_01 (31:35):
That was very Clark Kent.

SPEAKER_04 (31:36):
That was 1000% Clark Kent, especially when the guy
slams the door on him.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (31:41):
Oh, the thing that is Clark Kent.

SPEAKER_04 (31:43):
He the slump shoulder.
That is Clark Kent to a T.

SPEAKER_01 (31:46):
He was basically um he was Superman in that half of
Superman 2 where he let go ofall his powers.
Yeah.
That's what his character inSomewhere in Time reminded me
of.
Not in a bad way.

SPEAKER_04 (31:58):
Yeah, especially when he um yeah, he's kind of
going through it in Superman 2,like figuring out who he is.
And like that's kind of what alot of the like the angsty part
of him is very much on displayin this film.
Uh, I mean, Reeve himself, Ithink everybody knows the

(32:18):
supremely tragic turn of eventsfor him.
Yeah.
And his his injury, whichcertainly led to a premature
demise.
I think he so he passed away in2004.
So it's already been over 20years ago.

SPEAKER_01 (32:32):
I can't even watch the Superman documentary.

SPEAKER_04 (32:34):
Oh, no way.
I I'm sure it's an excellent,excellent doc, but I don't think
I have it in me to watch that.
Like, I'm getting emotionalright now.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (32:43):
Yeah, I'm not, I'm not gonna do it.

SPEAKER_04 (32:45):
And then, you know, his wife passed away only a
couple years after him.
Like, ugh.

SPEAKER_01 (32:50):
And then like his convinced me.
I'm gonna I'm gonna do it.

SPEAKER_04 (32:53):
I'll let you know what's his best friend Robin
Williams.
Like, oh my god, it's just likeso much sadness.
But he left us like an amazing,amazing legacy in terms of the
work that he did.
Even if I have feelings aboutthis film that aren't maybe
completely positive, I reallyappreciate who he was as a
performer.

SPEAKER_03 (33:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (33:14):
And um, of course, he will always be Superman, but
I don't want to limit him tojust being Superman.
Like he was he was a fantasticactor.
He, he and um, it's kind offunny when you think about it
because he and Robin Williams,two people who may not have
realized went to Juilliard, theywere like roommates, so that's
how they became friends.
But in any case, um possibly hewould have had a more extensive

(33:38):
filmography had it not been forhis accident.
Hard to say.
Uh, but yes, of course he ismost well known for the first
four Superman films of like the70s into the 80s.
So Superman, Superman 2, 3, and4, The Quest for Peace.
So then Bostonians, that's gottabe 80s.

(33:59):
I know I brought this up.
Uh I don't remember why.
It must have been somebody elsewe were covering, but he did a
film in the 80s called TheAviator that has nothing to do
with the Leonardo DiCaprio.
Yeah.
But he was in that.
So now I yeah, we're moving intothe 90s.
He actually is very funny andnoises off.

(34:20):
That's a really fun film.
Okay.
Very underrated.
Morning Glory, The Remains ofthe Day, speechless, and then
kind of fitting, I guess.
His final credit was on the TVshow Smallville.

SPEAKER_01 (34:34):
Yeah, he that that moment is kind of amazing where
he he meets with like, you know,the that show's version of Clark
and Superman.
Tom Welling.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (34:44):
So that was I watched that whole series, but I
I if I'm being really honest, Idon't remember that interaction.
Yeah.
Um but you know, it's hard, it'slike who he plays in this film.
Uh interesting character.
I mean, I think that um I don'tknow.

(35:08):
The movie hour.
Okay, so the movie's like anhour 40.
It's not a super long movie.
I think that if maybe they hadwhat super long.
What did I say?
Super.
Oh, because Superman?
Yeah.
Um I don't I don't know.
Maybe I maybe I'm gonnabacktrack on this.
Uh what I was gonna say is Ithink if they maybe would have
set him up, I know he justbreaks up with his girlfriend

(35:32):
before he and he's also dealingwith a writer's block.

SPEAKER_01 (35:35):
Because it starts with him having like at the end
of the successful play where umwhere oh my goodness, Jane
Seymour, yeah, yeah.
Like gives him the watch, andthen and then it like kind of
time skips eight years ahead,right?
Yeah.
So he's been hanging on to thisfor eight years.
At that point, she has passedaway.

SPEAKER_04 (35:57):
She passed away the night she gave him the watch.

SPEAKER_01 (35:58):
He doesn't know that yet, but he doesn't know that,
yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (36:00):
But yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (36:01):
But yeah, so it's like this this like eight-year
time skip uh that leads to hisexistential crisis that gets him
to just hit the road.

SPEAKER_04 (36:10):
Yeah.
Um I think what I was gonna sayis like if they had maybe
portrayed him as somebody Idon't I'm not saying this to be
mean, but maybe as somebody whohas like compulsive tendencies,
because it is it is wild how uhobsessed he immediately becomes

(36:30):
with those photographs.

SPEAKER_01 (36:32):
Well, I I I haven't read the book.
I might actually read some ofthis guy's books because it
sounds like from the uh fromwhat he's adopted, I'm I'm kind
of interested.
But for this, maybe if I see alittle bit of what may have
happened in this eight-yearperiod, that too.
You can build up to what we sothat if I'm just supposed to

(36:55):
believe that like some somestuff has happened that has like
kind of pushed him towards this,that would almost make more
sense because you're right, likehe just went from like like
turning on a dime to like thisis suddenly the most important
thing in my life ever.

SPEAKER_04 (37:09):
And I guess like at first I was like, oh, so he I
guess went to school inproximity to Grand Hotel, right?
Because at first I was like,okay, he lives in Chicago, why
the fuck would he drive all theway up to Michigan?
But is it because he was tryingto get inspired again by going
back to his own college and thenhe saw the hotel and was just
like, oh, I'm gonna stay here?

SPEAKER_01 (37:29):
That's a question.

SPEAKER_04 (37:30):
Yeah, like I that that's the way I interpreted it
because I at first I was like,why that that is one hell of a
drive to like look, it lookedreally nice out.

SPEAKER_01 (37:42):
He had a cool little car.
He did have a cool little cardriving along Lakeshore drive on
his way out.

SPEAKER_04 (37:47):
That was a funny, that was a really funny scene or
like um sequence because likeobviously they had somebody
filming him while he's actuallydriving.

SPEAKER_02 (37:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (37:57):
And it it's always funny to me when they do that.
And like, look, this is like1980, so you're working with
just like what you have, andlike just the way that they had
like he's he's being filmed innatural light.

SPEAKER_02 (38:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (38:09):
And so just I mean, look, he was a very good looking
guy, but like it is differentwhen you're seeing somebody in
natural light versus when youhave like sat lights and key
light.
And so it was just that was kindof funny to me that his driving
face on too.
But um, I was like, when theyhad that sequence of him going
Lakeshore drive, I was like, Ihave driven that so many times.
Like the light that he stoppedat, I was like, I've stopped at

(38:30):
that light a million times.
Like that was kind of fun.
Um, anyways, so yeah, I but whenhe is doing the drive, and I'm
like, oh my god, why the hellwould he go all like Chicago to
Michigan?
I I'm not sure where MackinacIsland is in Michigan, but I was
like, that's gotta be a prettyfucking decent drive.
And you didn't bring anythingwith you, I don't think.

SPEAKER_01 (38:52):
You're just driving along the the lake, and it's
it's a it's a great lake, if youwill.

SPEAKER_04 (38:59):
But then he so he seems to be like kind of on the
fly in spite because I rememberthinking, oh, that's so
dangerous, the way he puts hiscar in reverse.

SPEAKER_01 (39:08):
Yeah.
He just like he just like on awhim, just like, you know what?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (39:14):
Yes, thank you, on a whim.
And and I was thinking, that isso far to go.
But then when he is doing hisresearch and wants to find out
about time travel and he and hepresumably goes to his old
college, I was like, oh, okay,maybe that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 (39:29):
Is that I hope you're not commuting back and
forth to Chicago.

SPEAKER_04 (39:34):
Yeah, well, I was like, if he was trying to work
through his writer's block andalso the breakup of his
relationship, maybe he was likeconsciously or subconsciously
thinking, I'm gonna go back tothe last place where I was
really happy and successful,which was college.
Yeah.
Although that was hilarious tome when he was like, Oh my god,
they said my play is good enoughfor Broadway.

(39:55):
I'm like, no college kid has aplease somebody prove me wrong,
but I'm gonna say prettyconfidently that no kid with a
play in college is going fromcollege to Broadway.

SPEAKER_01 (40:06):
I don't know.
I I clock that and I'm like, Idon't know if that's how that
would all pan out.

SPEAKER_04 (40:15):
I don't think that's how that pans out, but whatever.
It's a movie.

SPEAKER_01 (40:18):
So we've been to auto plays out out in Las Vegas.
We have.
And it's not, you know, it's notNew York, there's no Broadway.
But that being said, I'm notaware of it being like a kind of
thing where like agents aregoing to to these randomly to
like pick and choose like maybethey are.

SPEAKER_04 (40:37):
That's a great point you're making.
Does that happen?
There it's to my mind, it wouldmake way more sense for there to
be an agent or somebody of thatnature somewhere in these
theaters that we've gone to inLos Angeles versus a college by
Mackinac Island in Michigan.

SPEAKER_01 (40:56):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (40:58):
So anyway, unless like he is some fucking prodigy
that had a name, but they didn'texactly go that far with it to
say that that was the case.
He just had a really successfulplay.
But then also is hilariousbecause um I don't know if I'm
saying it right, but we have afriend name Elise, so that's why
I'm saying it this way.

(41:18):
Uh, the way that she makes herway through the crowd and
everybody just fucking stopstalking and like just turns to
stare at her was like sodramatic.

SPEAKER_01 (41:29):
It was.

SPEAKER_04 (41:30):
Um anyway, and then the look on it, he looks like
his face is like ashen when shelike hands him the uh pocket
watch.

SPEAKER_01 (41:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (41:41):
And it just it's so it's so dramatic.

SPEAKER_01 (41:44):
The McGuffin, the watch that that was never made
or created, it simply existed.
It was passed on from her to himonly because he passed it to her
after he hypnotized himself intotime travel.

SPEAKER_04 (41:55):
Yeah, there's no explanation for the watch.

SPEAKER_01 (41:57):
There's there's no explanation for so much.
And I'm fine with that, but thisthis really stretched the
limits.

SPEAKER_04 (42:05):
So, yeah, but like I was saying, in terms of uh maybe
setting up his compulsivetendencies.
You know, I mentioned this lastnight when we were watching for
the show.
I know I am looking through allof this, or looking at all of
this through a 2026 lens, butthis does not strike me as

(42:26):
romantic at all.

SPEAKER_01 (42:29):
It it kind of like had a lot of parts of things I
expected to see in movies likeuh Say Anything.

SPEAKER_04 (42:38):
Mm-hmm.
You bring up that one a lot.

SPEAKER_01 (42:40):
Because it it wasn't what I expected.
Like, there's that dramaticmoment with the boom box, and
people feel a certain way aboutabout like that.
But I I thought that movie wasgonna be more about the like if
you just try hard enough, you'lllike kind of break down their
will and they'll they'll loveyou.
That was like That was thismovie.
That was very much this movie.

(43:01):
Yeah.
I mean, there's the like theintroductory moments that are
like really kind of like creepyand off.
There's the moment when he'sabout to kiss her and she's
like, no.

SPEAKER_04 (43:12):
She literally says no.
And what does he do?
He steps closer to her.
She says no.
He steps closer to her andliterally backs her against a
wall.
So she has nowhere to go.

SPEAKER_01 (43:26):
But look, does it help if it seemed like she
really did want to kiss him?

SPEAKER_04 (43:30):
It I oh oh, it is so troubling that that is the
message that they're sending.
And like, again, I get it, it's1988.

SPEAKER_01 (43:38):
Yeah, that's not a this is not a new video.

SPEAKER_04 (43:39):
We're we're talking about a film that it's like
insane to say this movie's 46years old, but it right?
Yeah, 46 years old.

SPEAKER_01 (43:47):
Yeah, if I had a dollar for every 80s movie that
had this kind of thing in it, Icould probably start ordering
stuff off Grubhub right now.

SPEAKER_04 (43:54):
I get it, I get it.
Um, I mean, the the most I cansay is like I'm glad that there
has been enough conversation.
Conversation around these typesof depictions of romance that I
think we've largely moved awayfrom it.

SPEAKER_01 (44:05):
But I can't have have there been like more
current movies that had thathappen?

SPEAKER_04 (44:09):
I feel like that's a whole conversation because like
a lot of films don't really showromance a lot anymore.
Like that's something that'sbeen like talked about in terms
of like modern cinema,especially like sex scenes.
Sex scenes aren't shown so muchanymore.
And I'll I'll be honest, like itdepends on the context.
Like I thought that that sexscene in Oppenheimer was wildly
out of like uh like out of tunewith the rest of the Make it a

(44:33):
nuclear bomb, make a nuclearbomb, let's fuck it was I was
like, what?
Like, so I don't I don't knowwhere I fall on that argument,
but like most of the time I'mlike, I don't I don't need to
see them getting an I don'tknow, but um, but anyway, to to
get back to this film, like heit's hard for me to really like

(44:57):
his character because it givesme the ick, the way that he is
so obsessed with her.

SPEAKER_01 (45:04):
It's way too much of a it's just meant to be.
Right.
Because you gave me this watch,so it and like if I'm really
like diving into the story thatthey've created, he's taking
that watch and then going backin time and she hasn't given it
to him, like he she doesn't haveit yet, she hasn't given that to

(45:25):
him yet.
So he's like acting as thoughthey're already a thing.
Right.
Because they will be, right?
So maybe that's only because ofhow he acted.
I don't know.
The whole thing's a fuckingparadox.

SPEAKER_04 (45:36):
Exactly.
And you know, when he approachesher, and she does say, and there
are little things that it'slike, okay, so now it's kind of
misleading.
I mean, this the whole like whenshe says, Is it you?
And then he just presses thepoint several times afterwards.
Like, why'd you say that?
Why'd you say that?

SPEAKER_00 (45:54):
Well, you said that.
What'd you mean?

SPEAKER_04 (45:56):
And she she admits to him that it was um, what's
his character's name?
Christopher Plummer, who toldher that she was gonna meet
somebody who was gonna derailher career.

SPEAKER_01 (46:06):
And there's I think But that's not what you it takes
of him asking like five timesbefore she says that because he
thinks, are you the one?
And we all think Right.
We all think like that somehowshe like pulled him through time
or something.

SPEAKER_04 (46:22):
Very misleading.
Yeah, no, it's just like anervous manager, even her, but
her answer is also to me notsatisfactory because it brings
up so many questions, and it'sfine, like I don't need a film
to answer everything for me, butlike what are you saying with
saying that Robinson told youthis?

(46:43):
Like, is it because it's justlike baseline, he's paranoid
that like since you're sobeautiful, yes, somebody's gonna
come along and want to take youout of this.
Or did he like to me, I waslike, does he have some kind of
intel about this time travelthing?

SPEAKER_01 (47:00):
And they made you think that.
Yeah.
They they made they led you tobelieve that there was something
going on with ChristopherPlummer's character where he
yeah, had like some clairvoyanceor some ability to understand
that this was possible andhappening when I think in
reality he was just a veryoverprotective manager.

SPEAKER_04 (47:19):
And that's the other thing that really bothered me
about this film.
And again, okay, so not only arewe talking about a film that was
made in 1980, but we're talkingabout a story that largely takes
place in 1912.
So I'm not saying it's it'sinaccurate, but this woman has
no fucking agency almost.
Like, I'm so glad that she madethe decision to not go with the
rest of the troupe to Denver,but that's literally like the
only choice she like makes onher own.

(47:41):
Like, it's either ChristopherReeve forcing her, and look, I'm
being I'm being I'm being likeover the top.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (47:48):
But like with like Well, I was just saying, I was I
was waffling because like, well,she had her whole improv moment
in the play.

SPEAKER_04 (47:54):
That's true.
Yeah, that's true.
But like between ChristopherReeve basically like forcing her
to submission of this romanticrelationship or her manager just
being completely oppressive andoverbearing with like her career
stuff, it's like this poorwoman, you know.
But again, okay, that's 1912.

SPEAKER_01 (48:13):
Miss McKenna had some things to work out.

SPEAKER_04 (48:15):
Yeah, so I and I feel look, I feel bad because I
I say this about a lot of filmsthat like if we ever are saying
anything negative about a movie,if whoever's listening to this
loves this movie, I think that'sgreat.
Like I get it.
It's a it's like a cult movie.

SPEAKER_01 (48:33):
Yeah, it's like a cult classic movie.
Yeah.
They have like conventions everyyear at that hotel.
What?
Okay, at that hotel, sure.

SPEAKER_04 (48:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (48:41):
So like and where everyone just fucking goes in
their room and starts talking tothemselves.

unknown (48:46):
That actually would be amazing.

SPEAKER_01 (48:49):
I completely accept this.
I'm in this room.
It is 6 p.m.

SPEAKER_04 (48:59):
You know, that's an idea.
They I don't know what happensat these conventions, but they
should one.

SPEAKER_01 (49:06):
I'd be shocked if they didn't have that as part of
it.

SPEAKER_04 (49:08):
They should 1,000% have everybody.
Okay, now everybody go into yourroom and you try you try real
hard to go back in time.

SPEAKER_01 (49:15):
Well, so if they all get dressed up and they all do
that, yeah, then they all comeout and they have like all the
decorations change and they justtell them.

SPEAKER_04 (49:23):
That would be really oh, that would be really cool.

SPEAKER_01 (49:26):
That better be what they do.

SPEAKER_04 (49:27):
That that would be so that actually would be really
neat.
If they tell them to all go inthe room, y'all change, y'all do
that stuff, and then the thestaff of the hotel just whiplash
get everything changed out inlike a matter of an hour, and
and then for the rest of thenight they just pretend it's
1912.
That would be fun.

SPEAKER_01 (49:43):
Yeah, we gotta look into this.

SPEAKER_04 (49:45):
Yeah, that that actually would be a really fun
idea.
But um yeah, I just I have ahard time because he's so
insistent.

SPEAKER_01 (49:55):
They spend they spend a lot of time just him
before he even like gets to thattimeline, and there's really
nothing building up any kind oflike real tension, like tension
or relationship between them.

SPEAKER_04 (50:08):
So for them to like it just all like happened
weirdly fast and weirdly fast,but the movie itself is a very
slow burn.

SPEAKER_01 (50:17):
Yeah.
I mean things things kind oflike pick up, like he gets the
shit beat out of him, and thentied up in a stable, he makes it
out.
They, you know.
Apparently apparently, like, shegets over the no, please don't
kiss me, let's just have sex.

SPEAKER_04 (50:35):
Yeah, I mean, that's a huge deal for 1912.

SPEAKER_01 (50:39):
Huge isn't it for somebody you met a day ago?
I don't know.
Maybe I don't know what it waslike 1912.
Maybe that's what people did.

SPEAKER_04 (50:46):
Yeah, maybe we're giving too much like Puritan,
whatever Puritan-ness to thattime.

SPEAKER_01 (50:52):
But look, so we all we all know, spoilers, we all
know that he starts rummagingthrough his pockets and pulls
out a penny from 1979.

SPEAKER_04 (51:00):
Yep.

SPEAKER_01 (51:01):
And that's what he fucking just like pulls him back
out of whatever however thisworks.

SPEAKER_04 (51:06):
I really want to know what is she seeing when
that happens.
Because we see it from his POV.

SPEAKER_03 (51:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (51:12):
And it's kind of like um what's the image?

SPEAKER_01 (51:16):
It's it's just like it's almost like if you get
tunnel vision and you're justlike it's getting deeper and
deeper and then black.

SPEAKER_04 (51:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (51:23):
Like that's kind of what it felt a little bit like.

SPEAKER_04 (51:25):
And I and I will say that's a clever way of taking
him out of that scene becausewhat are you gonna do?
Have him like kind ofdisappearing like Marty McFly.
Like, I don't know what whatelse they could have done, but I
am very, very curious for fromher character's POV, what is she
seeing when when that happens?

SPEAKER_01 (51:43):
Is he just like something because she's like is
is he is he like getting shrinklike is he like shrinking while
he's like moving away from likeI think it probably was
something more like Marty, likewhere he's just like fading from
fading away.
But so this was a 1979 penny.
He was in 1912, right?
Right.
What what was their end game?
How long so like what's what'sthe line?

(52:07):
Like, does he get something?
So let's say he's there for twoyears.
What what's the line gonna bewhere he sees something where
he's like, oh shit, and then helike suddenly comes back to the
regular time.

SPEAKER_04 (52:17):
The other thing too is that like he still has a
physical body in 1980.

SPEAKER_01 (52:23):
Sure.

SPEAKER_04 (52:24):
So there was going to come a point where like
somebody from the hotel, likewhat actually ends up happening,
yeah, but if he had stayed in1912, somebody's eventually
gonna knock on that door andcome into his room.

SPEAKER_01 (52:38):
But hypothetically, he could spend an entire
lifetime starting like at that1912 moment and come back, and
there's not they don't reallytell us like how much time has
elapsed when he comes back intohis body.

SPEAKER_04 (52:50):
I mean, but the but because they don't, to me, the
the assumption is it wouldn't bea one-to-one you don't think so?

SPEAKER_01 (52:55):
I don't think so.
I think he comes back into hisbody at the moment he left.

SPEAKER_04 (53:00):
Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 (53:02):
Only because that's how usually these time travel.

SPEAKER_04 (53:05):
But who's who set that trope up?
Like that's just arbitrary.

SPEAKER_01 (53:09):
So is just telling yourself that you're in 1912.
I completely accept this.
I'm going to walk downstairs.
There will be a pizza.
I totally accept this.
I totally accept this.

SPEAKER_04 (53:45):
Okay, so um okay.
But there was something else Iwanted to say.
Oh, but you're totally right.
I mean um because the thing thatI was thinking about is like if
they okay, so to your earlierpoint about telling us something
about what happened in thateight-year interlude between him
finishing college and when hegoes off.

SPEAKER_02 (54:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (54:08):
I know he breaks up with his girlfriend, but is
there literally not a singlething tethering him to his
actual life?
Because he is so ready.
He is so ready to justcompletely forget everything
about his life.

SPEAKER_01 (54:25):
This is the kind of behavior that would make a lot
more sense if I knew there was abrain tumor involved.

SPEAKER_04 (54:29):
Yeah, like so I that was the thing too.
Like, I mean, okay, fine.
Like, if you I mean, like, I wasthinking about it's like, would
I literally give everything upin my life for you?
Yeah.
Like I but it's like for thereto be no conflict whatsoever,
for for there to be not evenlike a pause of like, I have I

(54:50):
have parents, I have siblings, Ihave friends, I have a career, I
have all these things that Istill love in my life.

SPEAKER_01 (54:59):
He has on one hand all the knowledge of the future,
and yet if he thinks about anyof that stuff too much, boom, he
just goes, he gets zapped rightback.

SPEAKER_04 (55:07):
Yeah, and that's the other thing too.
It's that it's like, okay, 1912might be nice for a day or two,
but we haven't yet, there's nopolio vaccination right yet, or
like any of the things that likeare kind of nice for modern day
living.

SPEAKER_01 (55:22):
What about that song that that he made a reference to
that didn't actually it wasn'tout yet or hadn't been That's
interesting Why didn't that flipit back?

SPEAKER_04 (55:30):
That's an excellent point.

SPEAKER_01 (55:32):
God damn this move.

SPEAKER_04 (55:33):
That's an I was reading that like so yes, the
the the piece of music's real.
Her saying that she's heard thatcomposer before could have
plausibly happened because thatperson there are records of him
being on tour.

SPEAKER_02 (55:46):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (55:47):
And so presumably, like some of the people do
fucking deep dives into thisshit.
Presumably she would have seenhim in concert in 1909.
Okay, but the piece of musicthat Reeve's character is
specifically referencing, Ibelieve, was not composed until
1924.
Something like that.

SPEAKER_01 (56:06):
Yeah.
So now this now this is holdingup.

SPEAKER_04 (56:08):
Speaking of Elise, played by Jane Seymour, so Elise
McKenna.
We gotta keep moving.
Um, even though we don't have alot of people to go over.
She we one one quick thing.
It is very weird to me thatPlummer's character just calls
her McKenna for most of thetime.

SPEAKER_01 (56:28):
Which is a a viable first name, potentially.

SPEAKER_04 (56:30):
I knew somebody named McKenna as a first name.
But like for that era, verystrange that he would just refer
to her not as like Ms.
McKenna.

SPEAKER_01 (56:39):
Miss.

SPEAKER_04 (56:40):
Miss McKenna.

SPEAKER_01 (56:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (56:42):
Um yeah, but played by Jane Seymour.
It was nice to see her in some Iwhat do I know her most from?
Um is it Wedding Crashers?
It might be.
I uh Dr.
Quinn Messenwin was like alittle bit too too like not
adult, but like I was youngyoung enough at the time that I

(57:04):
was like, I'm not interested inthat show.
Um, but she's done, I mean,she's still very much working,
she's very busy, she's done aton of stuff over the course of
her career.
And uh let's go through some ofher credits.
I have a fair mix of TV andfilm.
So I ended this one as well forour little munchkin.
She was in a film called YoungWinston.

SPEAKER_01 (57:26):
Wow.
Everything's coming up Winston.

SPEAKER_04 (57:28):
Everything's coming up Winston.
She was in you you mentioned itthat she was she a Bond girl?

SPEAKER_01 (57:34):
She was in Live and Let Die.
There you go.
Yeah, she was solitaire, andthat character kind of reminded
me of McKenna.
Okay.
Miss McKenna, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (57:42):
Is she like Demir or something?

SPEAKER_01 (57:44):
Or she is like um like Live and Let Die.
There's a lot of like uh voodooand tarot reading and stuff, and
so she's like predicting shepredicts her own affair with
James Bond.
That's funny.
Anyone that's watching a JamesBond movie could have also
predicted that.

SPEAKER_04 (57:59):
Yeah, because he just sleeps with anything.

SPEAKER_01 (58:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (58:02):
Okay.
So she's in that.
Uh she was in a TV miniseriescalled Our Mutual Friend, some
fun films, Simbad and The Eye ofthe Tiger.
She was in the film BattlestarGalactica.
Uh oh.
Yeah.
There was a film version of it.
Oh Heavenly Dog, which I thinkcame out the same year as this

(58:23):
film.
But I would say that for like acertain segment of the
population, she is most wellknown because it it went on for
quite a while.
Dr.
Quinn Medicine Woman.

SPEAKER_02 (58:33):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (58:33):
So she was in that.
I thought this was nice.
She also, not she didn't havelike an extensive arc, but she
was also on Smallville.

SPEAKER_02 (58:41):
Hmm.
I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_04 (58:42):
She did that.
Uh, you already mentioned it.
I think the first thing Iprobably think of is Wedding
Crashers uh that she is in.
And the rest that I have TV, soshe she I think has um dipped
her toe in like the whole likeseasonal Christmas TV movie
world.
So she's done a couple of them.
Uh she did a TV movie called TheRoyal Christmas, uh, a couple TV

(59:06):
series, Let's Get Physical, TheKaminsky Method.
I watched her the first seasonof that and then I just kind of
dropped out.

SPEAKER_02 (59:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (59:14):
Be Positive, Harry Wilde, and then more recently, a
TV miniseries called The 12Dates Till Christmas.

SPEAKER_02 (59:21):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (59:21):
Okay.
So we're already halfway throughour cast that we are featuring.
Next up, another Christopher,Christopher Plummer, who we
actually have brought up not toolong ago.
He's come up.
Yeah.
He's come up.
So he plays, I don't know whatWF stands for, but WF Robinson.
And he has passed.
He pa he passed in 2021, so acouple years ago.

(59:43):
So this character is Elisa'smanager.

SPEAKER_01 (59:48):
He exists solely that there's some goddamn
conflict in this.
Otherwise, it would just belike, I love you.
I love you too.
Credits.

SPEAKER_04 (59:56):
He unfortunately he's, I think, a little one
note.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:01):
Um No, he's he's all one note.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:05):
I I think that the conversation between him and
Richard, where so Richard, Ibelieve, accuses him of having
like a sexual interest inMcKenna.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:14):
Yeah, because he does.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:16):
Does he?

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:17):
Wait.
Richard accuses him.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:19):
Yes.
I don't think he does.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:22):
Yeah, that's that's fair.
I don't think he does.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:24):
Because he is so indignant in a way that felt
authentic to me, of like, that'sdisgusting.
Yeah.
That you would think that that'slike what my where my intentions
lie.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:33):
I don't care about sex.
I'm more worried about money.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:36):
Yeah, he just he's very much on the like money
slash success train.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:40):
Like he and and he takes representing her very
seriously.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:44):
Yeah, I think in his own very warped way, he he does
see in her, like I'm trying tothink of a comparison.
He's like the mentor that justlike is so steadfastly like on a
single track of like successsuccess.
I can't say that word success.
Successfully like in uh multipletimes in a row.

(01:01:04):
But like he just wants her to Iguess, according to him, achieve
her potential.
No distractions.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:11):
Yeah.
So I say time travelingChristopher Reeve is a
distraction.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:15):
Yes, he is.
So that's who this character is,and he just, you know, he's just
kind of like the evil dude inthe movie.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:25):
Um the first time he sees him, he's like, Do you have
a room here?

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:29):
Yeah.
I mean, fair enough questionbecause he's being kind of
creepy with her.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:35):
I think he was, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:36):
So fair enough.
Um, I'm glad that Elise kind ofstands up to him a couple times.
He, I mean, I love ChristopherPlummer.
I wish that he was given a morerounded out role in this film.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:53):
I think it actually could have been, and who knows
what what his character is likein the book.
I think it could have beenreally interesting if he did
have some sort of awareness ofthe time travel element.
I don't know how he would, but Ithink that just kind of could
have been interesting.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:09):
Um, if he was aware of it somehow, and anyway.
But his career, I mean, amazingcareer in especially uh I
probably said this the last timewe talked about him.
At the tail end of his career,he got a ton of Oscar attention.
So I'm I'm happy for that.
But let's go through I almostall entirely films, of course,

(01:02:33):
the sound of music.
I think that regardless ofgeneration, probably most people
think of the sound of music whenthey think of Christopher
Plummer.
So he was in that.
Okay.
Exclamation point.
The Return of the Pink Panther,The Man Who Would Be King.
The one very notable TVminiseries that he was part of

(01:02:53):
was the Thornbirds.
Oh god.
Very much along the same trackas far as like romance and that
kind of thing.
Uh so the film that we broughthim up for not too long ago was
Dreamscape.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:06):
Yeah.
Was he the evil guy?

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:08):
One of them?

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:09):
I think so.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:11):
Was he the one that actually was like, I want to
kill the president?

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:14):
Yeah, I think he was, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:15):
There, because um, who was the other guy that was
like kind of the evil guy?
It was it, but he died early.
Was that Max Von Sendau?

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:22):
That's it, yeah.
Yeah.
I get them a little confusedsometimes.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:24):
There they're kind of there's some similarity
there.
But uh, so he did voice one ofthe characters in American Tale.
He was in Dragnet.
Um, so then he goes on the kindof this like spree of being so
more voice work of all theselike Madeline animated movies.
So he did a lot of that.
He was in Malcolm X, Wolf, 12Monkeys, The Insider.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:48):
He played uh like Mike Wallace from 60 Minutes on
that, right?

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:52):
I don't remember specifically, but I do remember
thinking, wow, what a greatmovie.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:57):
Dracula 2000.
Oh.
Uh he reteams with Russell Crowefor A Beautiful Mind, National
Treasure, Seriana.
He does more voice work.
He was uh he did some voice workin the movie Up.
Then he gets his first so all ofhis Oscar noms came in the best
supporting actor category.
First nomination was for TheLast Station.

(01:04:20):
He wins for the film Beginners,and then this definitely came up
when we talked about him.
So he gets another nominationfor all the money in the world,
and that's when he very much atthe last minute uh replaced
Kevin Spacey, I believe, in thatrole.
Um oh my gosh, what's the nameof the rich dude that he played?

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:45):
Don't I don't know.
Anyway, he played that richdude.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:49):
Uh Getty.
There you go.
Thank you.
Uh he did I rem I I mean, Iliked Knives Out.
I don't I I don't know if it wasjust hyped up way too much by
the time I got around to seeingit.
I think it was hyped up quite abit.
It it's a lot of telling notshowing, which it's a lot of
them talking about what theirversion of what happened in the

(01:05:12):
past, um, like past events.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:15):
It it feels like um maybe that's just not the style
of movie for me.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:22):
Same.
You know, but I think he's likethe patriarch in in that that
movie.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:27):
It's like what what if we took like an Agatha
Christie type of thing and justdialed it up to 11.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:34):
And we're gonna hide anything that could possibly get
you to.
So many twists you will not knowwhat the fuck is happening.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:43):
And then his final on-screen credit was for uh the
TV series Departure.
Okay, so the final gentlemanthat we are gonna bring up,
because look, it's a verycontained cast.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:53):
It is.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:54):
And there are some minor characters, but I was
like, uh, I don't know if theyreally Pushed along the story in
a meaningful way.
It really is mostly those topthree characters.
But I do want to bring up, well,with uh with uh a notable cameo
in addition, Bill Erwin.
So he plays Arthur.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:13):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:14):
So adult uh Arthur.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:16):
Adult Arthur, yes, because you get you get ball
bouncing kid Arthur.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:20):
Yeah.
Uh what would it be, 70 yearsearlier?

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:24):
And which that kid I was like, that kid looks really
familiar to me, but the onlyother credit he had was Blues
Brothers.
Wow.
But he looked very familiar.
Um, but yes, adult art uh seniorArthur, I should say.
Senior Arthur.
Yeah.
So Irwin, he passed in 2010.
He is very much one of those,oh, it's that guy.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:44):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:45):
Because he had 254 credits.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:48):
You would recognize this guy.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:49):
You would 1000% recognize this guy.
And so uh extensive career, somany so many TV appearances, but
like most mostly one-offs andtwo offs.
I do have though, of the creditsthat I've listed, mostly
television, because like he hehe was one of those actors where

(01:07:12):
um if you see him credited likesay four or five times on a
show, more than half the timehe's like played different
characters for for those shows.
But let's go over some of them.
So he was on the TV show RichardDiamond, private detective.
That's a cool name.
Zane Gray Theater, My ThreeSons, Perry Mason, the TV

(01:07:34):
series.
Um this is all still TV, TheFugitive, Gunsmoke, Forever
Fernwood.
So he um I guess is a I thinkhe's a plane passenger in
planes, trains, and automobiles.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:47):
Yeah, I saw that.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:48):
I don't recognize I'd have to I don't recognize
him from that, but I do verymuch recognize him from home
alone because he so when umCatherine O'Hara R.I.P.
um is trying to barter with thatolder woman for her ticket,
yeah, he's the husband.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:08):
Got it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:09):
So that's him in that film.
More TV work, just ten of us,growing pains, and then his
final TV credit was for finalcredit was for the TV show My
Name is Earl.
And then also I think maybe thenature of the industry, because
like I think his first creditwas like in 1941, and they were
not um, I mean, now especiallylike with like SAG, like people
are gonna get credited.

(01:08:30):
Uh, it's kind of funny to mebecause even George Wendt, who
had scenes in this film that gotcut, has a credit for the film.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:37):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:37):
But way back in the day, that wasn't necessarily the
case.
So it's only in retrospect thathe has like a ton of uncredited
credits for things earlier inhis career that they just like
by and large weren't givingcredits to everybody in a
project.
So which they should, but andyou know what, another thing
that I thought was reallyinteresting is um just randomly

(01:08:58):
while I was looking up hiscredits, I didn't really think
about it, but I I saw like underlike kind of notable things
about him, he was 6'4.
He doesn't yeah, because he wasnext to Christopher Reeve the
entire time.
Oh yeah, and Christopher Reeve,I think, is about the same
height.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:17):
So neither of them looked remarkably taller than
than the other because they wereboth just super tall guys.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:24):
Wow.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:24):
Yeah.
Um, which I thought was reallyfunny.
The one cameo that I wanted tobring up was the elderly Elise.

unknown (01:09:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:33):
She, so we haven't covered this film yet, but she
is Aunt Elizabeth from House.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:38):
Oh.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:38):
Yeah.
Which is okay.
Has her like her own ghost andand like presumably took her
life.
And but like that's that samebecause I was like, wait a
minute, I know her fromsomething.
That's what I know her from.
Alright.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:51):
So film synopsis.
Her credits are like Jaws 2, oldlady.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:57):
I know.
It's kind of tough when that'show they just refer to you, but
all right, film synopsis.
Alright, what do we got?
A Chicago playwright usesself-hypnosis to travel back in
time and meet the actress whosevintage portrait hangs in a

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grand hotel.
I think it's actually calledGrand Hotel, so it's not just a
grand hotel.
It is it is the Grand Hotel.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:23):
One of several grand hotels, probably, but yeah, as
soon as you hit theself-hypnosis, I almost lost it.
Um, because that's just superfunny.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:32):
Hypnosis does not equate to time travel.
Uh I shouldn't have to even saythat.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:39):
Obviously, it does.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:42):
But obviously, I guess in this film, but I mean
that that's always gonna be areal I'm really curious how it's
described in the book, becausethat's gonna always really be a
blocker for me with this filmthat he goes back in time.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:58):
Maybe I'll I might I might check it out just to see
because I'm always curious aboutthose types of change, possible
changes.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:06):
Uh because like what we were saying at the top of the
episode, if there was somethingelse that was part of his story
in terms of like the fact that Iguess in the book he has like
that brain tumor.
I think that that could havebeen a little bit more
compelling, but just just forhim to be a normal dude and then
without really any other train,like even if he I am confident

(01:11:28):
there's gonna be more substancegoing on in even if, even if
you're like, I'm gonna tryself-hypnosis, I feel pretty
confident you would want to goto like a psychotherapist or
somebody who has actualexpertise and this the skill set

(01:11:49):
to to like mentor you or guideyou.
Like, I feel like you wouldn'tjust like go ask a professor,
him say, Oh, well, it'sself-hypnosis, and then totally
on your own.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:58):
You can even practice.
Yeah.
You went and did it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:12:00):
Exactly.
Like, I know you had a couplefailed attempts, but I feel like
the same night though.
Yeah, like I feel like it would,it would take a ton of practice
if you were if I'm gonna evenentertain the idea of
self-hypnosis leading to timetravel.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:12:16):
I feel like you're not gonna do it totally on your
own if you don't have abackground in in in what that
is.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:24):
Have you considered that it was really just the love
that brought them together thewhole time?

SPEAKER_04 (01:12:28):
Yeah.
I mean, I and then and then Igotta say, like at the at the
end, you know, we have just likea 10-minute sequence of him like
being depressed and walking thegrounds of the hotel.
I guess he like I know that thenight that he comes back, he

(01:12:54):
kind of does these likedesperate couple of attempts to
to go back, which of course arenever gonna work.
But I'm kind of surprised thathe didn't say, Okay, I'm gonna
like uh regroup, I'm gonna restup a little bit.
Cause apparently, like, youknow, the professor says that it
like drains you physically toeven attempt it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:12):
Time as as often is the case with time travel.

SPEAKER_04 (01:13:15):
Sure.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:15):
It's tiring.

SPEAKER_04 (01:13:16):
Tiring.
So, you know, I I know you justgotta end the movie somehow, but
like it wouldn't make more senseif he was like, okay, this
totally sucks that I like cameback, but I'm gonna I'm gonna
hang for a couple and the thingis he doesn't necessarily have
to does he have to be at thehotel?

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:39):
Yes, because he already was.

SPEAKER_04 (01:13:42):
So if you're gonna travel back in time, you have to
be wherever it is that you wantto travel back to.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:47):
Well, I don't know if he had to be there to travel,
but he already knew from lookingfrom going to the hotel and
looking in the registry that hewas checked into that hotel.

SPEAKER_04 (01:13:56):
Right, but like if I wouldn't the same room, so
you're right.
If I wanted to go to VictorianEngland, I'd have to take a
plane to England so that I couldself-hip hypnotize myself into
being into Victorian England.
I would have to be there.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:12):
Are you asking me how to time travel?

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:14):
I'm I'm asking according to like the rules of
this film.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:18):
Oh.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:19):
So you have to be in the place.
You have to be where you want totravel time travel to.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:24):
I think you want to, but you don't have to.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:27):
So I could, under the the guise, the rules of this
film, yeah.
I could go into our bedroomright now and self-hypnotize
myself to go back to VictorianEngland.
So if I knew a place over thereand I could visualize it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:42):
I think what you'd have to consider is where are
you going to get up here?
Because he knew at the hotelthat he was gonna get up in that
hotel, that same room is gonnabe there in 1912.
You're just gonna like wake upon a pile of dirt here.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:56):
That's oh no.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:58):
How far back are you going?
Was this land developed?

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:00):
The other thing too is that like I feel like there's
some real limitations to theself-hypnosis because like Well,
the biggest limitation is thatit wouldn't work.
Anyway, I mean, so he comes hecomes back, and instead of like
trying to regroup and try toattempt to go back again, he
just like totally died.
Yeah, yeah.

(01:15:21):
He just he dies of heartbreak.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:23):
Which is kind of two things.
One, his agent, ChristopherRee's agent, laughed in the face
of whoever presented this, uh,tried to get him to sign up for
this movie because he had justlike like Superman was a huge
hit.
Sure.
And this movie was not gonnahave that same kind of budget.
So the the guy did that thing.

(01:15:44):
Uh, let's see, uh producer,producer Steven Deutsch did that
thing where he literally slidthe script under a door to get
Reeves to to read it.
He liked it so much that he likecalled back the next day and see
he wanted to be part of it, justlike that that agent must have
been pissed.

SPEAKER_04 (01:16:02):
Those things just don't happen anymore.
They don't happen anymore.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:04):
But then second, his biggest concern, Reeves' biggest
like fear or concern with themovie, was he wanted to know
whether it really was possibleto die from a broken heart.

SPEAKER_04 (01:16:15):
Well, I mean, you hear quite a quite often about
elderly couples where one ofthem passes and then the other
one passes in pretty quicksuccession.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:24):
I just appreciate that that was his concern and
not the um time travel element.

SPEAKER_04 (01:16:29):
I mean, they did do a great like I will say that at
one point he's the makeup and uhlike everything at the end was
like very like that's what I wasjust gonna say.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:38):
Like, holy shit.

SPEAKER_04 (01:16:39):
Especially the the bloodshot eyes.
Yeah.
I was like, how the fuck didthey do that?

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:44):
Because like his sports and lemon in his eye or
something.

SPEAKER_04 (01:16:47):
His eyes are really fucked up.
Like they're super, like itlooks like somebody threw
vinegar into his eyes.
Like it, they are so bloodshot.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:59):
So then he dies.
So then he dies.
And fortunately for them, whenthey when they reunite in
basically the same train stationthat you see in the Deathly
Hallows part two.

SPEAKER_04 (01:17:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:13):
It's like they're both they're they're both in
like the hottest versions ofthem of themselves,
respectively.
So that worked out.

SPEAKER_04 (01:17:21):
I mean, you know, I I know that that's like kind of
the cap on the whole romancepart of this film.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:29):
So they can be together forever.

SPEAKER_04 (01:17:30):
They reunite in the afterlife.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:32):
Yeah.
Um because it was always meantto be.

SPEAKER_04 (01:17:35):
He's still wearing the bad suit.
Why?

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:38):
Because he went he did like just momentarily go
back, right?
That's why he was in the suit,or was he just still wearing it?

SPEAKER_04 (01:17:46):
When he Say that again?

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:48):
When he at the very end, did he like go back in time
again, or was he just like dyingin the present and then meets
her in the afterlife?
Or did he like slip back intothe past one last time and then
I think they just It's like umat the end of Titanic.
Oh.

SPEAKER_04 (01:18:09):
Where she's like what fucking 90, whatever, but
then after she bites it, yeah,she goes back and she's like her
18-year-old self and andLeonardo DiCaprio's his young
self.
So uh would you watch this filmagain?

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:26):
I'm more inclined to possibly read.
Yeah, I'll read about the book.

SPEAKER_04 (01:18:30):
I'll read about the book.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:31):
And then I might read the book.

SPEAKER_04 (01:18:32):
Okay.
Yeah.
Fair enough.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:34):
But I'm more likely to do that than than watch the
movie again.

SPEAKER_04 (01:18:36):
I'm very glad that I finally got to watch the movie
because I've I kind of have seenparts of it, but like never saw
it in its entirety.
And yeah, I mean, I know I knowthat this film has like cult
status.
Like, there are people whoreally, really love this movie.
So I was curious about it.
And so I'm glad that I finallysaw it, but I don't need to see

(01:18:56):
it again.
Um, but if you oh well okay, soI mean, look, we've talked a lot
about this whole time travelelement.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:19:06):
So I'm just very curious, as far as like time
travel movies go, what peoplethink about this whole
self-hypnosis idea.
I don't mean the validity of it,but can you buy into it enough
for the purposes of a movie?

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:22):
I I mean my answer is no, but I'm I'm willing to
listen to some uh some otherthoughts on on the metaphysical
nature of this method of timetravel.

SPEAKER_04 (01:19:33):
So that's question one A.
Question one B is is he supercreepy to you or is he just
romantic to you?

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:41):
Those are good questions.

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SPEAKER_01 (01:19:50):
It's a good thing that he looked like Christopher
Reeves.

SPEAKER_04 (01:19:52):
Right?
That's exactly what I wasthinking.
Yep.
If he didn't look likeChristopher Reeve, uh-uh, you
could reach out.
Uh same handle, it is at80smontage pod, and 80s is 80S.
Okay, so we are swinging totallyin a different direction.
Although, well, period peace,maybe if you believe in it.

(01:20:13):
Um I'm trying to think of cluesfor you.

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:20:19):
Uh Burgess Meredith.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:24):
It's uh Clash of the Titans.

SPEAKER_04 (01:20:26):
Oh my god, you got wow.
That was like like um, what isthat?
What's that game show where yougive words as clues?

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:34):
Password?

SPEAKER_04 (01:20:34):
That was really good.
That was really good.
Yes, Clash of the Titans.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:38):
Well, I I'm like, we're not talking about Rocky
again.
And I know that he's been in abunch of other movies, but yeah,
so that was my guess.
Um God.

SPEAKER_04 (01:20:45):
Yeah, but we're kind of sticking to the earlier part
of this decade for uh a lot ofthe season so far.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:51):
I'm gonna say right off the bat, I already know that
the effects in this movie aregonna look pretty dated.

SPEAKER_04 (01:20:56):
But they're endearing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:58):
And and I still prefer this to like the remakes
that they that they uh put up.

SPEAKER_04 (01:21:03):
I haven't watched any any remake, but I do have
very distinct memories of seeingthis film very young.
And I even like morespecifically remember the Medusa
scenes.

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:21:17):
Medusa scenes are very, very much stuck in my
burned into my memory.
So but that is it coming upnext, Clash of the Titans.
In the meantime, just thank youto everyone for hanging with us
with all the very many, many,many podcast options you have.
So many.
So many.
We really appreciate you uhwanting to spend some time with

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us, and we'll talk to you againin two weeks' time.