April 1, 2024 • 53 mins
Brace yourselves for a spectral analysis as we team up with the Stiletto Banshees' very own Tab and Micah to dissect the atmospheric 2008 Australian film "Lake Mungo." Our latest episode transcends a mere movie review, venturing into the murky waters of the film's haunting narrative, its understated theatrical debut, and subsequent rise to cult status through intimate home viewings. We're peeling back the layers of Joel Anderson's direction and the standout performances that give this story its chilling depth – all the while, exploring the film's global appeal that belies its initial limited release.
In an unexpected turn of appreciation for a genre we're often wary of, we find ourselves thoroughly entranced by "Lake Mungo's" fusion of true crime and ghostly encounters. Micah brings fresh eyes to the discussion, sharing her initial reactions to the film's subtle yet profound storytelling techniques. Alongside the eerie family dynamics, we're reflecting on the movie's ability to sustain tension and admiration for the crafted ambiguity that invites multiple viewings. Dive with us into the thought-provoking themes of grief and the unnerving ease of vanishing in the digital age, all set to a score that is as minimalistic as it is evocative.
Concluding with an insightful dialogue on the portrayal of grief and the convoluted path to resolution, this episode promises a compelling examination of how the film's characters navigate their harrowing loss. We delve into the chilling implications of a neighbour's secret and the shocking twists that ensue, painting a poignant portrait of a family in the throes of sorrow. With a nod to the sociocultural commentary woven through the film and our upcoming reviews, this is an episode not to be missed by cinephiles and supernatural aficionados alike. Join the conversation as Tab and Micah lend their expertise to this profound exploration of "Lake Mungo.
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
You're listening to a Monster Kid Podcast.
Hi and welcome to A Dingo Atemy Movie, a podcast that
features classic exploitationand other weird, wonderful,
overlooked and underappreciatedAustralian films from the 70s,
80s and beyond.
My name is Pete and I'm yourhost the Night Rider, that is
(00:53):
his name.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
The Night Rider.
Remember him when you look atthe night sky.
Welcome to A Dingo Ate my Movie, a podcast about the weird and
wonderful Australian films fromthe 70s, 80s and beyond.
I'm your host, pete, and todayI'm joined by Tab and Micah from
(01:17):
the Stiletto Banshees to talkabout Lake Mungo from 2008.
Good morning Tab and Micah.
How are you guys?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
We're good.
Good morning, we're doing great.
Thank you for having us.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
No problem at all.
It's good to have two people oninstead of one.
I usually have one.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
It's good having two.
I always like doing this showwith Tab.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, you kind of lean on her for support.
That's why I like doing anyshow with Tab Same, no pressure.
Today we're going to have achat about lake mungo from 2008.
The movie is.
I'll just do a quick synopsishere.
16 year old alice palmer drownswhile swimming in a local dam.
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When her body is recovered anda verdict of accidental death
returned, her grieving familyburies her.
The family then experiencesstrange and inexplicable events
centered in and around theirhome.
Profoundly unsettled, thePalmers seek the help of a
psychic and parapsychologist.
It's too early in the morningto read all this stuff.
Ray Kemeny, Is it Kemeny Kemeny?
(02:21):
Ray discovers that Alice led asecret double life.
Clues lead the family to LakeMungo, where Alice's secret past
emerges.
Lake Mungo is a mystery, athriller and a ghost story.
That was written by one of theproducers.
I got that off IMDb Pro.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Oh okay cool, it's pretty accurate.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah, it's pretty close.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I think the only thing it's I'd argue she lived a
triple life, let alone a doublelife.
There was a lot going on.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
A lot going on in her life.
Yeah, it was directed by JoelAnderson and written by Joel
Anderson, produced by GeorgeNeville and Dave Rapsy.
The cast is Talia Zaka playsAlice Palmer, david Pledger,
russell Palmer, rosie Trainorplays June Palmer, martin Sharp,
her brother, matthew Palmer,and Steve Jodrell plays Ray
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Kemney.
It had a budget of $1.4 million.
It looks like it was only intheatres for like a week.
I had a look at Box Office Pro,or whatever it's called, box
Office Mojo, and I only saw thedates of 30th of July to 2nd of
August 2009.
It took $8,128.
So it's really one of thosemovies that's quite like hasn't
(03:35):
been seen all that much.
I think it's picked up a secondlife recently.
We'll go into that a bit laterbut it was only in the theatres
for a short time.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
It's much better watched on a TV anyway, I think
it makes more sense watching ona tv for sure, and it warrants
re-watches because it there'scertain twists and turns that
when you watch it the secondtime it it just plays
differently it does absolutelyyeah well, and I wonder if that
theatrical release was like theafter dark film festival,
because I was gonna ask like howdid is?
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Did they have a system for howthey did they pick up movies
after the fact or did theydistribute them and and control
all of that?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
maybe they only did like a month, maybe they only
did well yeah, typically, um I Ithink with the other after dark
films, they would pick themovies after they had been
finished and then they wouldscreen them over a weekend,
which it looks like.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
that's kind of what happened here, Um but they
didn't do a theatrical run, oryeah.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Yeah, usually they would go right to DVD.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
And, like I said, this is a much better watched on
a TV than right.
I couldn't imagine watchingthis.
When I was watching it, I waslike I couldn't imagine watching
this on a cinema screen.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
There's too much nuance and you've got to like
know where to put your eye.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yeah, yeah, Plus just the whole way it's made is made
for TV really.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Well, it feels like a Dateline episode kind of, or
like a crime documentary.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I was saying, yeah, well, you put in that parlance
for you guys, For us.
I said to May when we werefirst watching it.
I was like, oh, this is justlike watching an ABC documentary
or something like that.
Yeah, exactly.
Ratings quite good for themovie IMDb 6.3 out of 10.
Rotten Tomatoes for thereviewer score was 96%, the
audience score 62% andLetterboxd it's a.
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3.4 out of 5 is the average, soit's a pretty well-rated movie.
I'll go into it later, but Iactually enjoyed it more the
second time when I watched it.
So where did I watch this one?
I watched.
This is really tough if you'rein Australia, if you don't have
Broly, then it seems to be theonly place that has it on
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streaming at the moment.
There's a second site standardedition Blu-ray still available
you can buy.
There was a deluxe edition or atwo-disc edition, but that's
like out of print, sold out,same.
There was a DVD available andthat's apparently out of print
as well.
So it's one of those.
How did you guys watch it?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
uh, I bought mine on itunes okay so it's a different
regionally probably.
So in the us it's on itunes forlike eight bucks.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Um, I watched it there okay, yeah, I think it's
probably about this.
It's probably available on ithere too.
To be honest, you have to buyit, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
It's also available on Prime with ads, which is a
terrible way to watch it.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
You have to watch it.
It's a terrible way to watchanything.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Well, true, but definitely something like this I
really hate the way all thesestreaming services are suddenly.
It reminds me of like pay TV.
When we first got pay TV yearsand years ago I'm sure the
experience is the same for youthe big selling point of pay tv
was no ads.
You pay money and you get noads, and then eventually they
started sinking ads in and nowit's just like watching normal
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tv.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
So yeah it's going to become like cable, like
streaming is going to be justit's going to be like come full
circle, yeah it's just yeah,it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
that's why I buy media, that's my personal.
I think we're all on the sameboat, right?
Yeah, yeah, I try to buyphysical when I can, but anyway,
I wasn't able to find a lot oftrivia for this film, a lot of
you know bits and bobs.
The main thing I found out wasthere's no actual script written
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for this movie.
They had like a you know whereeverything wanted to go and the
story, but there was no dialoguefor the actors.
They were basically given plotpoints to hit and then they were
interviewed, though by thedirector.
I think, um, yeah that makessense.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
That seems to be common for like the faux
documentary Like I think of,like Spinal Tap or I think the
Last Broadcast is done that waytoo.
It just feels very naturalbecause it's improv.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Yeah, yeah, I think it works really well for this.
So the other bits I picked up.
Jordan Peele stated in apodcast that he thought Lake
Mungo was one of the mostfrightening movies he'd seen.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
That's high praise, it is high praise, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
It's interesting because, like I said, I'll go
into it, but I didn't find itthat scary.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
But there's a difference between scary and
unsettling, Right, you might betalking about the ending,
because it's kind of a slow burnthat hinges on this one stinger
, maybe two stingers at the end,and those are so effective that
I can see someone coming out ofit being like that thing was
terrifying.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah, absolutely.
Lake Mungo itself is about1,000 kilometres west of Sydney
and about 700 kilometres northof Melbourne, so it's a dry lake
, but I's I think we weretalking about this before we
started Tab.
It's home to the earliest humanremains found in Australia and
possibly the world, so theyfound remains at this site that
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are estimated to be more than40,000 years old.
It's also one of the most oneof the richest fossil footprint
sites ever found, which isinteresting.
That's not like a find.
I couldn't find much else aboutthis film.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Yeah, there wasn't a whole lot.
I mean, I kind of looked forjust production information and
that was about what I could findas well.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Yeah, it's interesting and, like the
director, Joel Anderson, he'smade nothing since.
Yeah, Micah and I were talkingabout that earlier.
That's made nothing since.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Yeah, micah and I were talking about that earlier.
That's crazy to me, yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
That's what I think makes it one of those sort of
weird movies, in a way, likeyou've got it made by somebody
Almost like it's real, yeah,yeah.
But I don't think he's doneanything else, and even some of
the actors I don't think havedone a lot.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Most of them when I looked at them in imdb, most of
them have done, you know, usualtv stuff and things like that.
I think usually for like genrestuff there's always like a
handful of those every decade, Ifeel like where, like a
director makes one, maybe twomovies and then they just go on
with their life, they dosomething else, or whatever.
The 2000s had quite a few ofthose of like had a big hit and
then they just go on with theirlife, they do something else, or
whatever.
The 2000s had quite a few ofthose of like had a big hit and
then just kind of went away,isn't that?
Speaker 3 (10:11):
funny.
It's interesting how thesethings happen.
It's like they have one greatidea and they just sort of get
that out there into the worldand then they're, I don't know,
satisfied with that.
Maybe Interested to hear yourfirst thoughts on the movie.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
So I watched this several years ago after a couple
of people had recommended it asa found footage film.
I I might like um I.
I was pretty well known on uhtest pattern for for not really
enjoying found footage films, soa lot of people would try to
recommend things and this onesounded interesting and I really
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enjoyed it, probably because itfeels more like a true crime
style documentary than somethinglike paranormal activity and I
think for me it's just much moreeffective than Blair Witch or
paranormal activity,particularly when we get to the
jump scare kind of towards theend of the film.
And I felt like, even thoughthe film has some ambiguous
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aspects, the ending felt moresatisfying than something like
blair witch or paranormalactivity for me.
I know there's plenty of fansof both of those movies and and
um.
That makes sense, but yeah, Iwould agree.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
As a fan of like blair witch, I'd say that the
ending is both ambiguous andlands.
Enough that you're like I Ikind of know what happened and
the parts that I don't don'treally matter.
It's fun to speculate rightright, whereas blair witch is
like I'm not even sure.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I think I know what happened, but that's that's it
maybe yeah maybe I know whathappened but yeah, I thought I
thought joel Joel Andersonstruck a really good balance
between leaving some thingsambiguous and then sort of
hitting you with that.
Oh, she really was there as aghost the whole time, and I
think they did a really greatjob with the pictures and the
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whole movie footage as far asmaking the Palmers feel like a
real family.
It's kind of a tricky thing inthese kind of movies and
everything felt really genuinethey play it very believably too
.
Yes, very much fantastic yeah,and obviously they had, uh,
younger pictures of the actressthat plays um, that plays alice,
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so that lended towards makingit feel real as well.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, I had the grandparents involved and stuff
like that so you really got thatextended family sort of feel
right, right, like you would inlike a true crime documentary
yeah, you see how it affectedeverybody and even like
neighbors and co-workers and andher boyfriend and friend the
world building is really goodyeah yeah it really is.
It really is.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
It's great.
And then something that struckme both times that I watched the
movie was the nighttimetime-lapse photography.
The clarity of the stars andthe way they moved across the
sky during the time-lapse feltreally eerie and surreal.
So I think that sort of in aweird way, lends to the creepy
feeling overall in the movie.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
What did you think micah?
Speaker 1 (13:06):
uh, well, I hadn't seen this one.
Um, I had kind of heard of it,probably back when it came out,
as like another one of the afterdark movies.
For some reason my memory ofthose was like I I kind of wrote
them off almost I didn'tunderstand really what it was.
I thought it was kind of like amasters of horror tales from
the crypt, like they were goingto be one hour episodic kind of
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things.
I didn't realize they were realmovies until much later, and
then I started watching some ofthem and they're all actually
pretty good.
But Tab had mentioned it acouple of times here and there
that like oh, this is one of thefound footage movies that I
really like.
So when you brought it up I wasexcited to see it and I was
blown away.
I'm surprised I hadn't gottenaround to it sooner.
It's fair to put it in the foundfootage category.
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I'd argue that there's kind oftwo kinds of found footage
movies.
There's faux documentaries,which this is more like, and
then there's like paranormalactivity, found footage movies
and Blair Witch kind ofstraddles that line and is sort
of both, but it's I foundfootage tends to work the best
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info documentary, I think it'sthe most believable and this
movie is just such a rollercoaster man Like it.
It's both a slow burn and aroller coaster.
It's kind of interesting inthat way.
There's a bunch of twists andturns that you don't see coming
and then it it all kind ofcrescendos with that that
stinger at the end and it itgets me every damn time.
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It got me the second time, bothlittle stingers.
There's kind of technically two.
They both got me each time Iwas like son of a bitch.
I knew it was coming and itstill got me.
So that's effective.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Just by the way, we can spoil it here.
I always do spoil like, if youwant to spoil stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I figured we would a little bit later, maybe when we
got to it.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Yeah, but feel free to spoil.
If people are listening to this, they really should watch it
first.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Totally, totally.
But yeah, the mood, mood of it,like it, it sets a tone and so
the the unsettling aspect of itreally makes that stinger hit,
because you're just waiting forsomething to happen and then
when it does it's, it's verysatisfying, yeah yeah, it's like
the one jump scare in the wholemovie and it's a good one, and
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I myself.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
This is kind of what ruined it for me a little bit
the first time through, becauseI went into this one completely
cold.
I had no idea.
I knew of the movie, I knew ithad a reputation, et cetera.
And because of the reputation Iwas like, oh, is this going to
be?
Like you know how movies likeParanormal Activity they always
have jump scares and things likethat all the time and activity,
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they always have jump scaresand things like that all the
time.
And I was thinking you knowthis was going to happen.
And I think I was always kindof waiting for something.
And uh, and when you know, thesecond time, because I kind of
knew what was going to happen, Iwas like, okay, I could just
sit back and kind of enjoy it alittle bit more.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
So yeah the second time around too, like you get to
like.
So they set up the picturesright that the brother is taking
and how she's allegedly showingup in them, um, but if you look
at them the first time aroundagain, you can see all the
moments that are revealed laterof where she's actually in the
pictures, like she is.
Some of those are more obviousthan others, like the backyard
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one.
It's so obvious that she issitting on that bench, but the
masterful filmmaking directsyour eye so well to that other
spot that you never even noticeit.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Uh, it's, it's so effective be interested to know
if anyone actually ever noticedit the first time around yeah,
yeah, maybe some be some veryastute viewers yeah maybe, maybe
but it's well hidden, I thinkyeah, the only thing I noticed
was that I could see a guysitting in her room and I
thought it was going to end upbeing the dad right um and and,
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like he was just hanging out inthere because he missed her or
something.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
But for me.
I think this movie is a moviethat's probably going to divide
a lot of people because youwould have some viewers will
find the documentary styleprobably boring and won't find
anything exciting and they'll beexpecting something really
scary because it does have a bitof a reputation.
Yeah Right, others, I guess,will be really taken in and
absorbed by the story that'sthere.
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While I didn't find itparticularly scary inverted
commas I found it sometimesreally profoundly sad and creepy
as well.
So there's some very disturbingkind of you know, little bits
of this movie, things that areuncovered that are kind of very
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surprising and sort of.
They're not necessarily scaryor frightening things, but they
just really sort of knock youfor six sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
It feels a lot like and it's probably an influence
on this movie.
It feels like Twin Peaks a lotand there's little homages that
I feel like are direct homages.
I mean Alice Palmer, yeah, liketwin peaks a lot, and there's
little homages that I feel likeare direct homages.
I mean alice palmer, yeah, um,you have the stuff with the like
psychic that is sort of likethe stuff with the therapist in
twin peaks, and then just the,the backstory, the secret
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backstory about her affair withthe neighbor and everything like
she appeared to be this goodgirl that was innocent and
actually had like a bit ofdarkness to her.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
It was very nobody expected yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
And there's also like Laura Palmer in twin peaks has
a premonition that she'll die,so there's that element as well.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
When we talk about the movie.
I don't really I don't thinkthis movie would benefit from
just like running it down A to Z.
But a few things I wanted totalk about was the style of the
movie, the way they do themockumentary, you know, and like
how it kind of changes the wayyou look at the movie I think
we've touched on it a couple oftimes Like it kind of brings you
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in.
I think it brings you into themovie a lot more than if it was
just shot like a normal movie.
I was wondering actually, afterI watched it the second time,
how would this movie have been?
What would it have been like ifthey'd made it as a movie movie
but not a documentary stylemovie?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
yeah, I think the the talking head element of it kind
of makes it more engagingbecause it feels like they're
talking directly to you they'relike like they're telling you a
story.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
They're pulling you into this and it feels intimate
yeah, it does actually yeah,yeah, and and I think it kind of
makes the, the supernaturalparts of the movie a little bit
more plausible as well, um, inthe in that way, because it's a
bit it's very implausible.
Well, it depends, right, if youbelieve in ghosts or not.
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I think if you, I consideredhaving a guest on I had a while
ago when we did the Babadook todo this movie and she's, you
know, into all this psychicstuff and ghosts and stuff like
that.
But I didn't want to get superbogged down in the conversation
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about ghosts and things.
But yeah, it was interesting theway I thought that you know,
just talking about the movie ingeneral, again when it all
wrapped up I really thought whenit wrapped up that it wrapped
up well for the family, but Iwasn't sure it wrapped up very
well for alice if she's a indeeda ghost, like they effectively
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left her behind right rightright they do sort of imply that
they felt like she had moved ona little bit, like that she got
closure, that they kind ofimply that.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
But it does like she's still in the picture, yeah
, in the background in the housewhen they're all standing at
the front before they leave well, maybe she was saying goodbye
maybe there's that um, that partwhere, like, her mom kind of
goes back to the psychic to haveone last consultation.
Yeah, yeah and when you line itup with her consultation with
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him, it's almost like time hassort of fluid and she's
experiencing what her mom did,but before and she says my mom
can't see me, you know the moviedoes that kind of repeatedly
throughout where like just
Speaker 1 (21:18):
time is this like it bleeds, like layers of time kind
of bleed over into each other.
And I not to get too woo-woo orwhatever, but like I like that
idea of spirituality.
I like that, like what weperceive as ghosts is just a
separate plane that if you go tothe right area where it's maybe
sensitive or there's a historyof of spiritual activity or
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spiritual significance, that'skind of those layers can get
blended every once in a whileand that's.
It feels like that happensrepeatedly, like she gets the
premonitions of her deaththrough dreams and then other
experiences of just her being aghost she experiences through
dreams before she's even dead.
Um, it's.
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It's such a clever thing thatwhen you go back and watch it
again, like you, you see allthose little like moments that
sync up yeah well, she sees herown dead body.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Basically, yeah, and that's, that's the big jumper
that's the stinger at the end.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, it's like running, moving at her, and then
there's that pause.
But the second stinger is whenshe runs away from it, that's
whenever, like, the pause stopsand then she runs from the
figure.
I love the detail that, likethey I think it's the brother or
maybe the dad is saying thatthey don't think that she saw
herself or that she recognizedherself, that she just saw a
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ghost and it freaked her out.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
What do you think?
The significance of her buryingall her belongings, though,
were?
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Tab had more of an idea about this than I did.
I was a little unsure.
The phone is more just like Igot to get rid of this footage.
Yeah, that's obvious.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
I knew that there was some cultural significance for
Aboriginal people there so Iwanted to look it up.
I think it is just tied to thefact that they've found possibly
the earliest remains and theyspecifically the thing that I
read specifically said ritualburial.
It's like the first evidence ofritual burial probably in the
world, and so Aboriginal peoplekind of see it, as you know, the
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cradle of life for them, almostLike that's where life
originated, because that's wherethe earliest people were, and
so that has a lot of really,really strong significance for
them.
I thought maybe the her bearingher things was more related to
that, that there was, there hadbeen people buried there, maybe
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she was symbolically buryingherself maybe, maybe she was
trying to put herself to restand maybe she didn't even know,
like she didn't know, that thatwas her.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
She may have just been compelled to bury this
stuff as like subconsciously,subconsciously understanding
that that's what happened andthat, like she needs to put this
to rest, however she can.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
It's an interesting scene, however she can.
It's interesting scene and it'svery interesting that I don't
know how.
What was the?
I'm trying to look at the timeperiod between when she died and
when the family went to lakemungo and uncovered the her
belonging it was at least a year.
It was at least a year, right, Iwas like, yeah, I didn't know,
why, find that in the meantimeshe must have dug like that,
quite deeply into the green yeah, and I'm not sure how that it
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looks, like it's kind of a park,basically, like a public park
yeah, it is, yeah, it's anational park how far out were
they?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
you know like where, where it just seems like
wasteland to me.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Like I, I can't tell really where you park and how
far out they walked, so it mayhave been like a little ways out
from I had a look at the Iguess official website of the
area, like the national parkswebsite, and there's like, if
they say that it's like whereveryou're staying, whether you're
camping or whether you'restaying they've got some like
accommodations there.
(24:57):
It's too basically too far towalk to, but they're saying cars
and buses go there all the time, sort of things.
So yeah, I don't know, they wereobviously on a school excursion
, whether they're saying carsand buses go there all the time,
sort of thing.
So yeah, I don't know, theywere obviously on a school
excursion, whether they werecamping or whether they were
staying somewhere else, I'm notsure.
It was a very creepy part ofthe movie, but it's interesting
because it's really the onlypart of the movie that, and when
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the parents go out there, thatthey're in Lake Mungo, which is
the name of the movie.
But you know, like you saidearlier, Tab, it's a significant
event, which is why they namedthe movie that.
The thing that really got meabout this movie, especially
when I read a bit about itafterwards, is like there's so
many theories on what happenedand how she died, Like there's
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theories online that the brotherkilled her, murdered her.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
On my first go-through, I I was like sus of
him.
I was a little bit suspiciousof him.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
I'm sure he was directed to play it like that,
Because some people you know,some of the theories I saw were
like, if you look at the filmand look at times that he was
filming her, that there wasn't agreat relationship.
She was always seen to be angrywith him.
But then there's other videosof him where he's videoed her
and she seems quite happy alsothe bruises on him.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
The bruises on him don't don't really fit.
That's the one on my secondgo-round.
I was like that doesn't thatdoesn't come back that doesn't
make sense, necessarily, unlessshe is beating him up like she
is mad at him for something.
So that leads me to think thatmaybe he had some involvement.
Also, like the faking, thefootage and everything felt a
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little fishy to me, like hisreason for it of like I just
wanted them to believe that shewas coming back or whatever.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
I don't know if I can really really go with that.
I'm assuming she just drowned.
I don't know if I can reallyreally go with that.
I'm assuming she just drowned.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
I don't know yeah, I I wondered if maybe there was
some sort of supernatural thingthat like caused her to drown,
like her own ghost pulled herdown or something came back, oh,
maybe yeah, this is our fate.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Yeah, yeah I guess this is why the film is like I
was saying before has kind ofpicked up a bit of a second life
.
If you look at a lot of theI'll watch some youtube videos
around, you know, I watched acouple of reviews, I watched a
couple of people just talkingabout it and a lot of them are
just like how did she die?
Was it the brother, was it youknow, whatever?
But I don't know.
(27:22):
For me, when I watch it I waslike, just so, she just drowned,
something happened.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, she got caught up in something or something
like that, so didn't look like avery deep lake, though they
sort of set up like well there's, he has a line about something,
about like her jacket or towelwas on the beach, so that shows
that she never got out of thewater, does it?
Does it show that she never gotout of the water?
She just didn't grab her towel?
Like?
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There's also the neighbor thatcould be involved because he was
a little nervous about theaffair and the tape.
Maybe he did something.
Maybe he followed them outthere.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
They bounced pretty quickly after she died, like
they moved um, I found that likeone of the most shocking parts
of the film, actually, as oh,yeah, I.
I was like what the fuck is this?
And yeah, I think that's whereyou really start.
I guess that's where, for me,the movie really started turning
and twisting Up.
Till then it was kind of a bitlike just a ghost story.
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And then, once you get to thatpoint, you start having all
these other ideas and you startseeing that all is not what it
seemed.
Yeah, it unravels like an onion.
You start having all theseother ideas and you start seeing
that all is not what it seemed.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, it unravels like an onion.
It does.
It's got layers, yeah, but it'ssort of the Twin Peaks thing, a
little bit of just like.
It appears to be this one thingand then the more you like,
Laura Palmer in the Twin Peaksappears to be this one type of
person.
And then the more you go on,the more you realize.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Oh no.
And then, the more you go on,the more you realize oh no, she
had this whole other life, well,like the brother faking the
footage.
And then you find out the?
Speaker 3 (28:50):
um, the psychic had met with her before yeah before
she died yeah, I kind of withthe psychic, I kind of was.
I guess he kind of did theright thing by not saying
anything, because I guess hewanted to understand what they
were trying to do and help them.
And I think if he brought inthe fact that he'd already
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spoken to her, it would havechanged the dynamic quite a bit
he saved it until it wasrelevant yeah, I think so, yeah,
yeah, what did you think?
Do you think he did the rightthing by telling them, by not
telling them?
Speaker 4 (29:24):
that's really complex because I think she he did say
she asked that he not share itwith anyone, but then you know
she was dead and so I don't knowhow that?
Speaker 1 (29:36):
How far does respecting her wishes go?
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (29:40):
I guess there's always professional privilege as
well, right yeah, if he'sethical, he's probably not going
to share it really yeah, I, Iwould assume like he could kind
of hedge, hedge in the middleand say you know, she came to me
, but I can't share what shesaid.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, I'll bring it up if it's relevant.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Yeah, maybe, yeah, yeah yeah, those scenes were
very interesting.
Like you said, tab the thescene at the end when it's
almost like to me that sceneplayed out almost like her and
her mother were having like thesame conversation with the guy,
almost yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
They were describing the same scene.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yeah, it was kind of heartbreaking yeah.
Yeah, the movie is super sad.
I actually found it more sadthan anything else, just that
you know there was that loss oflife, the family trying to deal
with it like it right.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
The treatment of and the way they view grief in this
movie is very real I think onfirst viewing I was, like the
mom's, a little unhinged, but ona second viewing, the part
about her like just walking theneighborhood and walking into
people's houses and being like Ijust wanted to see what someone
else's life was like, that isheartbreaking yeah, I thought
that too yeah, you know it's.
(30:50):
It's so sad and I I think withthe, with the psychic not
bringing up the tapes that hehad with her.
I think she needed.
They needed to have somesupernatural experiences first,
because the supernaturalexperiences are the dreams that
she describes right shedescribes these experiences that
end up being what theyexperience with her ghost.
(31:12):
Um, so maybe he needed to beconfronted with that of, just
like, wait, you said what shewas doing, what now?
Or you felt like this was whathere's.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
These tapes that you know align with that yeah, I did
like the piece about theneighbor creeping into the house
as well and and trying to toget hold of the tape.
And obviously the mother knewthat she had like that hiding
spot for stuff.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
But yeah, I guess she had a safe, yeah, yeah yeah so,
but obviously, yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
It's interesting because at first you're like, oh
, what's that movement?
Speaker 1 (31:45):
then you go oh, it's the neighbor and then on the
first viewing, I thought that II thought there was something
off about that and I think Ifelt like I was seeing her over
there.
And then the movement in thehallway happened.
I was like, oh, that wasn'twhat I thought it was.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
And then clearly you can see that dude like crouched
down there yeah I don't know howthe police couldn't find them,
though I mean very, it's veryhard these days to disappear,
even even even back then, likethat's, and it's only what 15
years ago or something it'sbased, or 20 years ago yeah very
hard to actually disappear likethat and especially the whole
(32:20):
family you know yeah, yeah, theygot to enroll in school
somewhere exactly.
I think I would have been morethan, like the father said uh,
alice's father said, oh, I'dthrottle him if I saw him.
I think I'd do more thanthrottle him, but but, um, yeah,
interesting, that whole pieceis interesting.
I'm like she obviously babysatfor them and I don't know how
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she got involved.
Or was she involved because shewanted to be, or was she
involved because she was coercedfor some reason, or he maybe,
yeah, had groomed her probably,yeah she was still in high
school, I think, when she diedright I don't know, that's.
To me it's probably probably themost shocking part of the film.
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
You expect a ghost.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Like when the ghost happens like you expect that you
don't expect this kind of turn.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
No, when she started watching, the mother started
watching the video and you startseeing the video.
I'm like, oh okay, what ghostlything is going to happen here?
It's like that's not a ghostand it was.
Yeah, it was really.
That's a creep, yeah, reallycreepy and like the mother's
involved as well, like both ofthem.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yeah, it was like this three-way.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
And yeah, so she definitely did have that other
life.
I was going to say somethingabout the music in the film, but
the music I think is reallykind of sparse but really well
done for this film I think it'squite.
It is kind of like thatdocumentary style in some places
that you would hear in some ofthese documentaries sort of
shows.
So they've done a good jobthere.
(33:51):
There's nothing you know majorto stand out.
I'm always disappointed when Idon't have anything really
majorly on the music, because Ilove talking about the music.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yeah, it doesn't really guide your emotions or
anything Like.
It sort of sets a tone ofunease or sadness or like kind
of melancholy.
But it's not too much, it'svery subtle.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
It's very much used, as it would be used in one of
those documentaries really,because there's lots of the
movie where there's nobackground music at all.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
There's times that feel to me like Wernerzog's
documentaries.
They kind of feel like parts ofgrizzly man or into the abyss a
little bit, where it's likejust somber and like intimate
and honest kind of it's hard,maybe, to kind of enjoy, if you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
It's like you can enjoy it, like you can look at
it and go.
That was a really good movie,but it's hard to kind of.
I always felt like when I waswatching it there was always,
especially the second time, itkind of felt just like a heavy
weight around you becausethere's no, it doesn't really
there's no real happy ending.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
No, there's no levity .
No, there's no levity.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
There's nothing really.
No, there's no liberty.
There's nothing really.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
But that's how true crime documentaries feel yeah.
Yeah, they don't really have alot of.
The ending is never satisfyingand there's not a lot of humor
throughout.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Right, and I do think they did a good job of making
the family really feeldisconnected from each other.
Yeah, like even in that lastpicture they took, none of them
are really smiling and they'reall kind of standing separate.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
It destroyed their life.
Yeah, yeah, it did.
It's interesting how they don'tmanage the grief too, like the
father just got stuck into workand distraction, distraction,
distraction.
The mom sort of just went off alittle bit and kind of dealt
with it her own way and the sonfaked evidence did I get a
feeling in this movie when sothere was a scene where they're
talking to the mother and hermother, and to me there was a
(35:56):
sense there's some sort ofpersonality disorder that's been
passed down through thegenerations yeah, the
grandmother is like.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
I never gave all of myself to june and I assume that
she never gave all of herselfto alice like they.
They withheld love maybe yeah,like empathy affection, yeah,
affection, something waswithheld, yeah, there's.
There's a some sort ofpersonality disorder going on
and that could be why alice kindof sought comfort and affection
(36:27):
elsewhere.
Maybe she did kind of, uh, notorganize the the affair with the
neighbor, but leaned into it,seek it out.
Yeah, because I mean, if youcompare it to laura in twin
peaks, she 100 did like she%sought this exciting, dangerous
(36:47):
life.
Maybe Alice was kind of doingthat because of she wasn't happy
at home, she didn't feel seenat home.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
There is footage at that party where she's talking
to the neighbor and is sort ofstanding in a more flirtatious
way talking to him.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
So yeah, I don't know and that we don't know where
that falls in.
Has the affair happened yet?
Is it about to?
We're not really told that part, but whether it's before or
after.
Yeah, yeah but her casualnesswith him doesn't feel like it's
one of the other young girlstalking to, like an elder.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
It seems like two adults talking to each other,
yeah, yeah yeah, I thought theinclusion of all her school
friends from time to time inthis was really good, really
well done, obviously in the samestyle of the documentary, but
having some of her good friendssort of speaking up and then
later on saying how surprisedthey were that they didn't
(37:44):
realize she had this other lifeand was doing all this other
stuff.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Not only did, what is it they say?
They basically say, like notonly did she have secrets, but
she didn't even let on that shehad secrets.
Like there's not even likeanything to think, oh, maybe
she's keeping something from us.
Like that wasn't even the case,like they never even assumed
that she would do something likethat.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
I think she said something like she even kept her
secret secret, or somethinglike that.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
I did want to ask is it really common for kids going
to school to have schooluniforms?
Do you like?
Speaker 3 (38:21):
all the schools have school uniforms.
They all have school uniforms,yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Is that what those kind of bluish, the checkered
sort of?
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:28):
That's a classic school uniform.
Yeah, okay, summer schooluniform, you can tell, but yeah,
it's.
There's.
All schools in Australia haveschool uniform.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Oh, wow, okay, that's interesting I don't know.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
It makes it more equal, yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Oh, wow, okay.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
That's interesting, I don't know it makes it more
equal.
You don't have kids that arereally well off sort of
flaunting their great clothesover kids that aren't so well
off, sort of thing.
It's always a big thing.
Every time you get to near theend of school holidays in
December, about to go into thenew school year, you start
seeing all the ads on TV.
Oh, I bet Things like that.
And then your school year youstart seeing all the ads on TV.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Oh, I bet.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Things like that.
And then you're always outbuying school uniform and
there's always like a I rememberdoing it with my daughter you
go up to the school beforeschool, like you know, a few
weeks before school goes backand they've got like a shop sort
of set up and you go in and youbuy the summer uniform and you
buy the sports uniform and allthe other stuff, yeah, yeah, and
(39:29):
you buy the sports uniform andall the other stuff, yeah, yeah,
there's obviously schools herethat have school uniforms but
it's I think it's a lot lesscommon right um, it's usually
like catholic school yeah, orcharter school or some sort of
private school, but publicschool tends not to have them.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Um.
I think my, my friend's sonwent to a public school where
they had like a dress code, um,but it wasn't necessarily a like
the same uniform for everybodysome are more rigid than others
yeah, as far as the dress codesgo, we had one.
I think every school has like aversion of one yeah, this one
was pretty strict because theyhad to wear like khaki pants and
(40:05):
and a blue polo shirt orsomething yeah, so you guys
obviously didn't wear schooluniforms no no, no we could kind
of wear well they.
They had a dress code,obviously, but we were allowed
to wear pretty much what wewanted, as long as it wasn't
offensive and it didn't croptops yeah, yeah shoulders.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Yeah, short shorts had to be a certain length yeah,
I think we touched on before,but but how do you think this
film sort of compares withmovies like you know, paranormal
activity, maybe even thebabadook talking about not so
not really found footage, butkind of like those ghostly sort
of films?
Speaker 1 (40:47):
I mean I mentioned before like I think the faux
documentary format is moreeffective than the, the
traditional found footage likeshaky cam uh version.
So I'd say it's.
It's more effective than um,than paranormal activity.
In that way it's tricky becauselike Blair Witch kind of
straddles that line of the ofthe two types and does it pretty
(41:08):
well.
I think it definitely exceedsparanormal activity.
I think it it makes thecharacters so much more likable
and the tension, the tensionthey try for in paranormal
activity, this succeeds on withmuch less effort yeah.
I agree same with the stinger atthe end, because the stinger on
paranormal activity is soelaborate and so like and it
(41:29):
feels really forced.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Yes, this felt very organic and, uh, because of that
build-up like it really puncheshard yeah, I think paranormal
activity and films like that arepretty much just there to get
crowds in and make them jump.
Yeah, I've gone off jump scaresquite a bit over the years.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Yeah, Especially the musical stinger that always
feels like cheating almost.
Yeah, yeah yeah, but I thinkwhen you talked about comparing
it to the Babadook, I think thisfeels so much more about the
family's grieving process andless about the scares.
And I love the babadook, but,um, that feels much more like a
(42:12):
traditional scary movie thanthis.
This.
This has creepy, unsettlingmoments, but it's more about,
like, unraveling the mysteryyeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
They are both dealing with grief to a degree, though
that's true, yeah which isinteresting and in that way they
are similar because they areunflattering, unflinching yeah
it comes to grief, um, and itshows the different ways that it
, that it manifests and I'd saybaba duke, is like a heightened
version of of how grief can cantake over, but yeah, very
(42:42):
similar any uh.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Final thoughts on the film I mean I would definitely
recommend this movie.
I think it's I don't know.
I think it feels really uniqueas far as being a mockumentary
or found footage film, but italso feels unique being a
supernatural film, it's.
It's not really like anything.
You would think it's not youknow, six cents and and that
(43:05):
kind of thing is what comes tomind when you talk about a ghost
movie, and it's nothing likethat.
Um, it is a slow burn, so youhave to be patient with it, but
I think it excels at creating acreepy, unsettling feeling in
the way that the best likewritten ghost stories do yeah, I
would agree.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
I'd recommend it to anybody that can handle a slow
burn, because I know that forsome they don't really want to
sit there without a lot and letthe tension build like that.
But if you are into slow burnsand you can be patient, it's
really worth it.
And it does warrant rewatchesbecause it's just rich with all
(43:42):
of this other detail and thenthe speculation, and if that is
your kind of movie, I wouldrecommend it.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
I agree and I think, like you were just saying, it
took me really two watches ofthis movie to get the most out
of it, and I reckon that'sprobably the best way to watch
this movie.
Most people would see a movieonce and be done.
I'd actually probably recommendyou watch this movie twice.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
At least twice.
I wouldn't say like it's a goodone to put on on a Sunday to
kind of unwind.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Like it's not that kind of movie.
It's not that kind of movie atall.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
But if you watch it once, watch it again within like
fairly quick succession, andthen you can take a break.
It's fine.
But the second watch is sosatisfying.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
You miss quite a bit of the subtext.
In the first viewing, um, andsince I had no idea what the
movie was about, I was kind oflike I said before, I was
waiting for jump scares andscary stuff.
And then, watching it a secondtime, I was able to just relax
and let the movie sort of washover me and and sort of get more
into it.
I wasn't on guard, so to speak,and I definitely recommend it.
If you're expecting a bla BlairWitch or a paranormal activity,
(44:46):
you're not going to get it.
No, but you're going to get areally good film and an
unsettling.
Like I said, I can't get overthe sadness in the movie.
Yeah, it's a really sad movie,but really good.
Really enjoyed it.
So do the usual thing and askyou guys what's going on in your
podcasting lives and what'shappening.
(45:09):
I know you both do the Banshees, so interested to hear about
that.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
I will turn it over to Tab Plug us.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
So we just released our prom episode.
I was going to school, so wegot a little bit of a backlog of
episodes to come out.
We did just release our promepisode, but we've got some
really good ones coming out soon.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Should we tease the topics a little bit?
Speaker 4 (45:34):
Yeah, Midsommar, we talk about that.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Full horror in general, but Midsommar in
general.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
We've got a whole episode on lesbian vampires.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
That's my episode.
That is my birthday episode andI'm particularly excited for
that, but there's quite a fewbangers in the vault right now.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
Yeah definitely Excellent.
Speaker 4 (45:53):
Just to give people a flavor of what the podcast is
about feminist podcast withpeople of kind of all walks of
life, all different genderidentities and, you know, sexual
orientations, and we arelooking at these movies and the
(46:16):
different media from how femmepresenting people are
represented in them.
Or experience them honestlybecause some of the topics are a
little bit more like just howdid we feel about this as femme
presenting people right and youknow we we try to do some movies
(46:37):
that are written and directedby women, but it's also
interesting to talk about moviesthat aren't, because you know,
that tends to be the themajority and it also those
movies tend to shape how womenare viewed through movies in our
culture.
So and how we view ourselvesright, exactly we talk about in
(46:58):
the promise for ourselves inthose movies yeah, in the prom
episode we talk about pretty inPink and how that sort of shaped
the way a lot of young womenand young femme presenting
people viewed romanticrelationships.
And at the time Ducky is acharacter that I love but is
also really problematic.
He's kind of like a nice guycharacter and the one that has
(47:22):
sort of been held up is like, oh, this is what you want.
You want a guy to be thisinterested in you and no yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
He has his fair share of problems too.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
It is an interesting viewpoint.
I enjoy listening to it, so Iwould suggest, if you're just
into a good podcast, it'sdefinitely worth listening to.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
Yeah, we have a lot of fun.
We balance out the seriousconversations with a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
You've got some interesting personalities on
there.
Yes, definitely, it's alwaysgood listening to everyone's
point of view.
It's really good, yeah, great.
And socials where can peoplefind you guys?
Speaker 4 (48:03):
I'm at HorrorFlickTab on Instagram.
You can find the StilettoBanshees at the Stiletto
Banshees on Instagram.
That's where we post the most,but we're also on Threads and
Blue Sky, I think.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
I'm on Instagram at MissValentine138.
That's M-S.
Missvalentine138.
And I'm pretty active on there.
I'm not really on anything else, but that's my main one.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
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You can join up now.
It's open to everybody.
Speaker 4 (48:26):
It's very similar to Twitter, old Twitter.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
I have never even heard of this.
What is this?
Speaker 3 (48:31):
It's like Twitter without Elon Musk.
So it's great.
Oh, so perfect.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
Yeah, and I think it was created by the same guy that
created Twitter right, it wasit was.
So it's basically like oldTwitter.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah, interesting.
Okay, catch me on that, maybeat the same title.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
All right, it's awesome having you guys on.
Thank you so much.
It's great having you Thank you.
Speaker 4 (48:53):
Thank you for having us.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
It's always fun.
I always find movies that I hadnever like.
All of the three episodes I'vedone of this.
I've been blown away by eachmovie.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
So I love doing this show.
All right, thank you so much,guys, and when we come back
we'll talk about what's comingup next.
And now preview time.
When it comes to entertainment,you can't beat a good film, so
let's take a look at what'scoming your way.
Listen, man, I need to splashthe boots, you know?
Strain the potatoes.
Barry McKenzie G'day ladies andgentlemen, barry McKenzie's the
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name.
He's got a great big grin and agreat big chin.
Give him half a chance.
He'll be in like Flynn.
His great big fist will flattenany palm.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
He's got a great big thirst.
You can do your worst when theytap the cake.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
He'll be in there first.
It's a love you'll never win.
And then you hop and go down.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
Raymond, this is Barry McKenzie.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Go and stick your head up a dead bear's bum.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Look, barry, seriously.
I've been promising myself atrip to the old country ever
since Norm's little operation.
My family came from Britainmany moons ago, you know.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
Um, hello, sir.
I'm terribly sorry, butSomebody must have let that
Australian lunatic on the set.
Excuse me, sir, have you thetime?
Speaker 2 (50:28):
Sorry sport, but at point of established fact, at
the present period of time wewatch Richard shaking hands with
my wife's best friend.
If we can't make bread out ofan authentic Australian folk
singer, I'll quit this racket.
Idiom, like you chose well, sir, you chose well here.
Eh, like it, that'll be 43guineas for this sweep Capital
(50:48):
idea.
I'll take the boy into my denand put it up to him.
Speaker 4 (50:52):
Oh no, you won't, you filthy old perv?
Speaker 2 (50:55):
I'll ask him I want you to think of me as someone
that you can turn towards.
Yeah, from what I've heard ofyour mob, you won't catch me
turning any other way From thetimber park in South Robert,
kansas.
The adventures of the wild andthe wilds.
(51:31):
What unbutton the mutton, youknow, point Percy at the
porcelain.
Speaker 3 (51:38):
I think he wants to go to the loo.
Next up on A Dingo Ate my Movie, I'll be joined again by Matt
Fulton as we dive headfirst intothe adventures of Barry
McKenzie, and Barry McKenzieholds his own.
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my Movie.
You're listening to a Monster Kid Podcast.
Hi and welcome to A Dingo Atemy Movie, a podcast that
features classic exploitationand other weird, wonderful,
overlooked and underappreciatedAustralian films from the 70s,
80s and beyond.
My name is Pete and I'm yourhost the Night Rider, that is
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his name.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
The Night Rider.
Remember him when you look atthe night sky.
Welcome to A Dingo Ate my Movie, a podcast about the weird and
wonderful Australian films fromthe 70s, 80s and beyond.
I'm your host, pete, and todayI'm joined by Tab and Micah from
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the Stiletto Banshees to talkabout Lake Mungo from 2008.
Good morning Tab and Micah.
How are you guys?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
We're good.
Good morning, we're doing great.
Thank you for having us.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
No problem at all.
It's good to have two people oninstead of one.
I usually have one.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
It's good having two.
I always like doing this showwith Tab.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, you kind of lean on her for support.
That's why I like doing anyshow with Tab Same, no pressure.
Today we're going to have achat about lake mungo from 2008.
The movie is.
I'll just do a quick synopsishere.
16 year old alice palmer drownswhile swimming in a local dam.
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When her body is recovered anda verdict of accidental death
returned, her grieving familyburies her.
The family then experiencesstrange and inexplicable events
centered in and around theirhome.
Profoundly unsettled, thePalmers seek the help of a
psychic and parapsychologist.
It's too early in the morningto read all this stuff.
Ray Kemeny, Is it Kemeny Kemeny?
(02:21):
Ray discovers that Alice led asecret double life.
Clues lead the family to LakeMungo, where Alice's secret past
emerges.
Lake Mungo is a mystery, athriller and a ghost story.
That was written by one of theproducers.
I got that off IMDb Pro.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Oh okay cool, it's pretty accurate.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah, it's pretty close.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I think the only thing it's I'd argue she lived a
triple life, let alone a doublelife.
There was a lot going on.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
A lot going on in her life.
Yeah, it was directed by JoelAnderson and written by Joel
Anderson, produced by GeorgeNeville and Dave Rapsy.
The cast is Talia Zaka playsAlice Palmer, david Pledger,
russell Palmer, rosie Trainorplays June Palmer, martin Sharp,
her brother, matthew Palmer,and Steve Jodrell plays Ray
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Kemney.
It had a budget of $1.4 million.
It looks like it was only intheatres for like a week.
I had a look at Box Office Pro,or whatever it's called, box
Office Mojo, and I only saw thedates of 30th of July to 2nd of
August 2009.
It took $8,128.
So it's really one of thosemovies that's quite like hasn't
(03:35):
been seen all that much.
I think it's picked up a secondlife recently.
We'll go into that a bit laterbut it was only in the theatres
for a short time.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
It's much better watched on a TV anyway, I think
it makes more sense watching ona tv for sure, and it warrants
re-watches because it there'scertain twists and turns that
when you watch it the secondtime it it just plays
differently it does absolutelyyeah well, and I wonder if that
theatrical release was like theafter dark film festival,
because I was gonna ask like howdid is?
(04:06):
Did they have a system for howthey did they pick up movies
after the fact or did theydistribute them and and control
all of that?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
maybe they only did like a month, maybe they only
did well yeah, typically, um I Ithink with the other after dark
films, they would pick themovies after they had been
finished and then they wouldscreen them over a weekend,
which it looks like.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
that's kind of what happened here, Um but they
didn't do a theatrical run, oryeah.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Yeah, usually they would go right to DVD.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
And, like I said, this is a much better watched on
a TV than right.
I couldn't imagine watchingthis.
When I was watching it, I waslike I couldn't imagine watching
this on a cinema screen.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
There's too much nuance and you've got to like
know where to put your eye.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yeah, yeah, Plus just the whole way it's made is made
for TV really.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Well, it feels like a Dateline episode kind of, or
like a crime documentary.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I was saying, yeah, well, you put in that parlance
for you guys, For us.
I said to May when we werefirst watching it.
I was like, oh, this is justlike watching an ABC documentary
or something like that.
Yeah, exactly.
Ratings quite good for themovie IMDb 6.3 out of 10.
Rotten Tomatoes for thereviewer score was 96%, the
audience score 62% andLetterboxd it's a.
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3.4 out of 5 is the average, soit's a pretty well-rated movie.
I'll go into it later, but Iactually enjoyed it more the
second time when I watched it.
So where did I watch this one?
I watched.
This is really tough if you'rein Australia, if you don't have
Broly, then it seems to be theonly place that has it on
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streaming at the moment.
There's a second site standardedition Blu-ray still available
you can buy.
There was a deluxe edition or atwo-disc edition, but that's
like out of print, sold out,same.
There was a DVD available andthat's apparently out of print
as well.
So it's one of those.
How did you guys watch it?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
uh, I bought mine on itunes okay so it's a different
regionally probably.
So in the us it's on itunes forlike eight bucks.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Um, I watched it there okay, yeah, I think it's
probably about this.
It's probably available on ithere too.
To be honest, you have to buyit, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
It's also available on Prime with ads, which is a
terrible way to watch it.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
You have to watch it.
It's a terrible way to watchanything.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Well, true, but definitely something like this I
really hate the way all thesestreaming services are suddenly.
It reminds me of like pay TV.
When we first got pay TV yearsand years ago I'm sure the
experience is the same for youthe big selling point of pay tv
was no ads.
You pay money and you get noads, and then eventually they
started sinking ads in and nowit's just like watching normal
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tv.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
So yeah it's going to become like cable, like
streaming is going to be justit's going to be like come full
circle, yeah it's just yeah,it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
that's why I buy media, that's my personal.
I think we're all on the sameboat, right?
Yeah, yeah, I try to buyphysical when I can, but anyway,
I wasn't able to find a lot oftrivia for this film, a lot of
you know bits and bobs.
The main thing I found out wasthere's no actual script written
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for this movie.
They had like a you know whereeverything wanted to go and the
story, but there was no dialoguefor the actors.
They were basically given plotpoints to hit and then they were
interviewed, though by thedirector.
I think, um, yeah that makessense.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
That seems to be common for like the faux
documentary Like I think of,like Spinal Tap or I think the
Last Broadcast is done that waytoo.
It just feels very naturalbecause it's improv.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Yeah, yeah, I think it works really well for this.
So the other bits I picked up.
Jordan Peele stated in apodcast that he thought Lake
Mungo was one of the mostfrightening movies he'd seen.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
That's high praise, it is high praise, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
It's interesting because, like I said, I'll go
into it, but I didn't find itthat scary.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
But there's a difference between scary and
unsettling, Right, you might betalking about the ending,
because it's kind of a slow burnthat hinges on this one stinger
, maybe two stingers at the end,and those are so effective that
I can see someone coming out ofit being like that thing was
terrifying.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah, absolutely.
Lake Mungo itself is about1,000 kilometres west of Sydney
and about 700 kilometres northof Melbourne, so it's a dry lake
, but I's I think we weretalking about this before we
started Tab.
It's home to the earliest humanremains found in Australia and
possibly the world, so theyfound remains at this site that
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are estimated to be more than40,000 years old.
It's also one of the most oneof the richest fossil footprint
sites ever found, which isinteresting.
That's not like a find.
I couldn't find much else aboutthis film.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Yeah, there wasn't a whole lot.
I mean, I kind of looked forjust production information and
that was about what I could findas well.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Yeah, it's interesting and, like the
director, Joel Anderson, he'smade nothing since.
Yeah, Micah and I were talkingabout that earlier.
That's made nothing since.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Yeah, micah and I were talking about that earlier.
That's crazy to me, yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
That's what I think makes it one of those sort of
weird movies, in a way, likeyou've got it made by somebody
Almost like it's real, yeah,yeah.
But I don't think he's doneanything else, and even some of
the actors I don't think havedone a lot.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Most of them when I looked at them in imdb, most of
them have done, you know, usualtv stuff and things like that.
I think usually for like genrestuff there's always like a
handful of those every decade, Ifeel like where, like a
director makes one, maybe twomovies and then they just go on
with their life, they dosomething else, or whatever.
The 2000s had quite a few ofthose of like had a big hit and
then they just go on with theirlife, they do something else, or
whatever.
The 2000s had quite a few ofthose of like had a big hit and
then just kind of went away,isn't that?
Speaker 3 (10:11):
funny.
It's interesting how thesethings happen.
It's like they have one greatidea and they just sort of get
that out there into the worldand then they're, I don't know,
satisfied with that.
Maybe Interested to hear yourfirst thoughts on the movie.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
So I watched this several years ago after a couple
of people had recommended it asa found footage film.
I I might like um I.
I was pretty well known on uhtest pattern for for not really
enjoying found footage films, soa lot of people would try to
recommend things and this onesounded interesting and I really
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enjoyed it, probably because itfeels more like a true crime
style documentary than somethinglike paranormal activity and I
think for me it's just much moreeffective than Blair Witch or
paranormal activity,particularly when we get to the
jump scare kind of towards theend of the film.
And I felt like, even thoughthe film has some ambiguous
(11:09):
aspects, the ending felt moresatisfying than something like
blair witch or paranormalactivity for me.
I know there's plenty of fansof both of those movies and and
um.
That makes sense, but yeah, Iwould agree.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
As a fan of like blair witch, I'd say that the
ending is both ambiguous andlands.
Enough that you're like I Ikind of know what happened and
the parts that I don't don'treally matter.
It's fun to speculate rightright, whereas blair witch is
like I'm not even sure.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I think I know what happened, but that's that's it
maybe yeah maybe I know whathappened but yeah, I thought I
thought joel Joel Andersonstruck a really good balance
between leaving some thingsambiguous and then sort of
hitting you with that.
Oh, she really was there as aghost the whole time, and I
think they did a really greatjob with the pictures and the
(12:00):
whole movie footage as far asmaking the Palmers feel like a
real family.
It's kind of a tricky thing inthese kind of movies and
everything felt really genuinethey play it very believably too
.
Yes, very much fantastic yeah,and obviously they had, uh,
younger pictures of the actressthat plays um, that plays alice,
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so that lended towards makingit feel real as well.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, I had the grandparents involved and stuff
like that so you really got thatextended family sort of feel
right, right, like you would inlike a true crime documentary
yeah, you see how it affectedeverybody and even like
neighbors and co-workers and andher boyfriend and friend the
world building is really goodyeah yeah it really is.
It really is.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
It's great.
And then something that struckme both times that I watched the
movie was the nighttimetime-lapse photography.
The clarity of the stars andthe way they moved across the
sky during the time-lapse feltreally eerie and surreal.
So I think that sort of in aweird way, lends to the creepy
feeling overall in the movie.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
What did you think micah?
Speaker 1 (13:06):
uh, well, I hadn't seen this one.
Um, I had kind of heard of it,probably back when it came out,
as like another one of the afterdark movies.
For some reason my memory ofthose was like I I kind of wrote
them off almost I didn'tunderstand really what it was.
I thought it was kind of like amasters of horror tales from
the crypt, like they were goingto be one hour episodic kind of
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things.
I didn't realize they were realmovies until much later, and
then I started watching some ofthem and they're all actually
pretty good.
But Tab had mentioned it acouple of times here and there
that like oh, this is one of thefound footage movies that I
really like.
So when you brought it up I wasexcited to see it and I was
blown away.
I'm surprised I hadn't gottenaround to it sooner.
It's fair to put it in the foundfootage category.
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I'd argue that there's kind oftwo kinds of found footage
movies.
There's faux documentaries,which this is more like, and
then there's like paranormalactivity, found footage movies
and Blair Witch kind ofstraddles that line and is sort
of both, but it's I foundfootage tends to work the best
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info documentary, I think it'sthe most believable and this
movie is just such a rollercoaster man Like it.
It's both a slow burn and aroller coaster.
It's kind of interesting inthat way.
There's a bunch of twists andturns that you don't see coming
and then it it all kind ofcrescendos with that that
stinger at the end and it itgets me every damn time.
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It got me the second time, bothlittle stingers.
There's kind of technically two.
They both got me each time Iwas like son of a bitch.
I knew it was coming and itstill got me.
So that's effective.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Just by the way, we can spoil it here.
I always do spoil like, if youwant to spoil stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I figured we would a little bit later, maybe when we
got to it.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Yeah, but feel free to spoil.
If people are listening to this, they really should watch it
first.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Totally, totally.
But yeah, the mood, mood of it,like it, it sets a tone and so
the the unsettling aspect of itreally makes that stinger hit,
because you're just waiting forsomething to happen and then
when it does it's, it's verysatisfying, yeah yeah, it's like
the one jump scare in the wholemovie and it's a good one, and
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I myself.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
This is kind of what ruined it for me a little bit
the first time through, becauseI went into this one completely
cold.
I had no idea.
I knew of the movie, I knew ithad a reputation, et cetera.
And because of the reputation Iwas like, oh, is this going to
be?
Like you know how movies likeParanormal Activity they always
have jump scares and things likethat all the time and activity,
(15:45):
they always have jump scaresand things like that all the
time.
And I was thinking you knowthis was going to happen.
And I think I was always kindof waiting for something.
And uh, and when you know, thesecond time, because I kind of
knew what was going to happen, Iwas like, okay, I could just
sit back and kind of enjoy it alittle bit more.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
So yeah the second time around too, like you get to
like.
So they set up the picturesright that the brother is taking
and how she's allegedly showingup in them, um, but if you look
at them the first time aroundagain, you can see all the
moments that are revealed laterof where she's actually in the
pictures, like she is.
Some of those are more obviousthan others, like the backyard
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one.
It's so obvious that she issitting on that bench, but the
masterful filmmaking directsyour eye so well to that other
spot that you never even noticeit.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Uh, it's, it's so effective be interested to know
if anyone actually ever noticedit the first time around yeah,
yeah, maybe some be some veryastute viewers yeah maybe, maybe
but it's well hidden, I thinkyeah, the only thing I noticed
was that I could see a guysitting in her room and I
thought it was going to end upbeing the dad right um and and,
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like he was just hanging out inthere because he missed her or
something.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
But for me.
I think this movie is a moviethat's probably going to divide
a lot of people because youwould have some viewers will
find the documentary styleprobably boring and won't find
anything exciting and they'll beexpecting something really
scary because it does have a bitof a reputation.
Yeah Right, others, I guess,will be really taken in and
absorbed by the story that'sthere.
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While I didn't find itparticularly scary inverted
commas I found it sometimesreally profoundly sad and creepy
as well.
So there's some very disturbingkind of you know, little bits
of this movie, things that areuncovered that are kind of very
(17:45):
surprising and sort of.
They're not necessarily scaryor frightening things, but they
just really sort of knock youfor six sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
It feels a lot like and it's probably an influence
on this movie.
It feels like Twin Peaks a lotand there's little homages that
I feel like are direct homages.
I mean Alice Palmer, yeah, liketwin peaks a lot, and there's
little homages that I feel likeare direct homages.
I mean alice palmer, yeah, um,you have the stuff with the like
psychic that is sort of likethe stuff with the therapist in
twin peaks, and then just the,the backstory, the secret
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backstory about her affair withthe neighbor and everything like
she appeared to be this goodgirl that was innocent and
actually had like a bit ofdarkness to her.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
It was very nobody expected yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
And there's also like Laura Palmer in twin peaks has
a premonition that she'll die,so there's that element as well.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
When we talk about the movie.
I don't really I don't thinkthis movie would benefit from
just like running it down A to Z.
But a few things I wanted totalk about was the style of the
movie, the way they do themockumentary, you know, and like
how it kind of changes the wayyou look at the movie I think
we've touched on it a couple oftimes Like it kind of brings you
(19:02):
in.
I think it brings you into themovie a lot more than if it was
just shot like a normal movie.
I was wondering actually, afterI watched it the second time,
how would this movie have been?
What would it have been like ifthey'd made it as a movie movie
but not a documentary stylemovie?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
yeah, I think the the talking head element of it kind
of makes it more engagingbecause it feels like they're
talking directly to you they'relike like they're telling you a
story.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
They're pulling you into this and it feels intimate
yeah, it does actually yeah,yeah, and and I think it kind of
makes the, the supernaturalparts of the movie a little bit
more plausible as well, um, inthe in that way, because it's a
bit it's very implausible.
Well, it depends, right, if youbelieve in ghosts or not.
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I think if you, I consideredhaving a guest on I had a while
ago when we did the Babadook todo this movie and she's, you
know, into all this psychicstuff and ghosts and stuff like
that.
But I didn't want to get superbogged down in the conversation
(20:12):
about ghosts and things.
But yeah, it was interesting theway I thought that you know,
just talking about the movie ingeneral, again when it all
wrapped up I really thought whenit wrapped up that it wrapped
up well for the family, but Iwasn't sure it wrapped up very
well for alice if she's a indeeda ghost, like they effectively
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left her behind right rightright they do sort of imply that
they felt like she had moved ona little bit, like that she got
closure, that they kind ofimply that.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
But it does like she's still in the picture, yeah
, in the background in the housewhen they're all standing at
the front before they leave well, maybe she was saying goodbye
maybe there's that um, that partwhere, like, her mom kind of
goes back to the psychic to haveone last consultation.
Yeah, yeah and when you line itup with her consultation with
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him, it's almost like time hassort of fluid and she's
experiencing what her mom did,but before and she says my mom
can't see me, you know the moviedoes that kind of repeatedly
throughout where like just
Speaker 1 (21:18):
time is this like it bleeds, like layers of time kind
of bleed over into each other.
And I not to get too woo-woo orwhatever, but like I like that
idea of spirituality.
I like that, like what weperceive as ghosts is just a
separate plane that if you go tothe right area where it's maybe
sensitive or there's a historyof of spiritual activity or
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spiritual significance, that'skind of those layers can get
blended every once in a whileand that's.
It feels like that happensrepeatedly, like she gets the
premonitions of her deaththrough dreams and then other
experiences of just her being aghost she experiences through
dreams before she's even dead.
Um, it's.
(22:01):
It's such a clever thing thatwhen you go back and watch it
again, like you, you see allthose little like moments that
sync up yeah well, she sees herown dead body.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Basically, yeah, and that's, that's the big jumper
that's the stinger at the end.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, it's like running, moving at her, and then
there's that pause.
But the second stinger is whenshe runs away from it, that's
whenever, like, the pause stopsand then she runs from the
figure.
I love the detail that, likethey I think it's the brother or
maybe the dad is saying thatthey don't think that she saw
herself or that she recognizedherself, that she just saw a
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ghost and it freaked her out.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
What do you think?
The significance of her buryingall her belongings, though,
were?
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Tab had more of an idea about this than I did.
I was a little unsure.
The phone is more just like Igot to get rid of this footage.
Yeah, that's obvious.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
I knew that there was some cultural significance for
Aboriginal people there so Iwanted to look it up.
I think it is just tied to thefact that they've found possibly
the earliest remains and theyspecifically the thing that I
read specifically said ritualburial.
It's like the first evidence ofritual burial probably in the
world, and so Aboriginal peoplekind of see it, as you know, the
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cradle of life for them, almostLike that's where life
originated, because that's wherethe earliest people were, and
so that has a lot of really,really strong significance for
them.
I thought maybe the her bearingher things was more related to
that, that there was, there hadbeen people buried there, maybe
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she was symbolically buryingherself maybe, maybe she was
trying to put herself to restand maybe she didn't even know,
like she didn't know, that thatwas her.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
She may have just been compelled to bury this
stuff as like subconsciously,subconsciously understanding
that that's what happened andthat, like she needs to put this
to rest, however she can.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
It's an interesting scene, however she can.
It's interesting scene and it'svery interesting that I don't
know how.
What was the?
I'm trying to look at the timeperiod between when she died and
when the family went to lakemungo and uncovered the her
belonging it was at least a year.
It was at least a year, right, Iwas like, yeah, I didn't know,
why, find that in the meantimeshe must have dug like that,
quite deeply into the green yeah, and I'm not sure how that it
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looks, like it's kind of a park,basically, like a public park
yeah, it is, yeah, it's anational park how far out were
they?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
you know like where, where it just seems like
wasteland to me.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Like I, I can't tell really where you park and how
far out they walked, so it mayhave been like a little ways out
from I had a look at the Iguess official website of the
area, like the national parkswebsite, and there's like, if
they say that it's like whereveryou're staying, whether you're
camping or whether you'restaying they've got some like
accommodations there.
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It's too basically too far towalk to, but they're saying cars
and buses go there all the time, sort of things.
So yeah, I don't know, they wereobviously on a school excursion
, whether they're saying carsand buses go there all the time,
sort of thing.
So yeah, I don't know, theywere obviously on a school
excursion, whether they werecamping or whether they were
staying somewhere else, I'm notsure.
It was a very creepy part ofthe movie, but it's interesting
because it's really the onlypart of the movie that, and when
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the parents go out there, thatthey're in Lake Mungo, which is
the name of the movie.
But you know, like you saidearlier, Tab, it's a significant
event, which is why they namedthe movie that.
The thing that really got meabout this movie, especially
when I read a bit about itafterwards, is like there's so
many theories on what happenedand how she died, Like there's
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theories online that the brotherkilled her, murdered her.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
On my first go-through, I I was like sus of
him.
I was a little bit suspiciousof him.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
I'm sure he was directed to play it like that,
Because some people you know,some of the theories I saw were
like, if you look at the filmand look at times that he was
filming her, that there wasn't agreat relationship.
She was always seen to be angrywith him.
But then there's other videosof him where he's videoed her
and she seems quite happy alsothe bruises on him.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
The bruises on him don't don't really fit.
That's the one on my secondgo-round.
I was like that doesn't thatdoesn't come back that doesn't
make sense, necessarily, unlessshe is beating him up like she
is mad at him for something.
So that leads me to think thatmaybe he had some involvement.
Also, like the faking, thefootage and everything felt a
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little fishy to me, like hisreason for it of like I just
wanted them to believe that shewas coming back or whatever.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
I don't know if I can really really go with that.
I'm assuming she just drowned.
I don't know if I can reallyreally go with that.
I'm assuming she just drowned.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
I don't know yeah, I I wondered if maybe there was
some sort of supernatural thingthat like caused her to drown,
like her own ghost pulled herdown or something came back, oh,
maybe yeah, this is our fate.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Yeah, yeah I guess this is why the film is like I
was saying before has kind ofpicked up a bit of a second life
.
If you look at a lot of theI'll watch some youtube videos
around, you know, I watched acouple of reviews, I watched a
couple of people just talkingabout it and a lot of them are
just like how did she die?
Was it the brother, was it youknow, whatever?
But I don't know.
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For me, when I watch it I waslike, just so, she just drowned,
something happened.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, she got caught up in something or something
like that, so didn't look like avery deep lake, though they
sort of set up like well there's, he has a line about something,
about like her jacket or towelwas on the beach, so that shows
that she never got out of thewater, does it?
Does it show that she never gotout of the water?
She just didn't grab her towel?
Like?
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There's also the neighbor thatcould be involved because he was
a little nervous about theaffair and the tape.
Maybe he did something.
Maybe he followed them outthere.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
They bounced pretty quickly after she died, like
they moved um, I found that likeone of the most shocking parts
of the film, actually, as oh,yeah, I.
I was like what the fuck is this?
And yeah, I think that's whereyou really start.
I guess that's where, for me,the movie really started turning
and twisting Up.
Till then it was kind of a bitlike just a ghost story.
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And then, once you get to thatpoint, you start having all
these other ideas and you startseeing that all is not what it
seemed.
Yeah, it unravels like an onion.
You start having all theseother ideas and you start seeing
that all is not what it seemed.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, it unravels like an onion.
It does.
It's got layers, yeah, but it'ssort of the Twin Peaks thing, a
little bit of just like.
It appears to be this one thingand then the more you like,
Laura Palmer in the Twin Peaksappears to be this one type of
person.
And then the more you go on,the more you realize.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Oh no.
And then, the more you go on,the more you realize oh no, she
had this whole other life, well,like the brother faking the
footage.
And then you find out the?
Speaker 3 (28:50):
um, the psychic had met with her before yeah before
she died yeah, I kind of withthe psychic, I kind of was.
I guess he kind of did theright thing by not saying
anything, because I guess hewanted to understand what they
were trying to do and help them.
And I think if he brought inthe fact that he'd already
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spoken to her, it would havechanged the dynamic quite a bit
he saved it until it wasrelevant yeah, I think so, yeah,
yeah, what did you think?
Do you think he did the rightthing by telling them, by not
telling them?
Speaker 4 (29:24):
that's really complex because I think she he did say
she asked that he not share itwith anyone, but then you know
she was dead and so I don't knowhow that?
Speaker 1 (29:36):
How far does respecting her wishes go?
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (29:40):
I guess there's always professional privilege as
well, right yeah, if he'sethical, he's probably not going
to share it really yeah, I, Iwould assume like he could kind
of hedge, hedge in the middleand say you know, she came to me
, but I can't share what shesaid.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, I'll bring it up if it's relevant.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Yeah, maybe, yeah, yeah yeah, those scenes were
very interesting.
Like you said, tab the thescene at the end when it's
almost like to me that sceneplayed out almost like her and
her mother were having like thesame conversation with the guy,
almost yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
They were describing the same scene.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yeah, it was kind of heartbreaking yeah.
Yeah, the movie is super sad.
I actually found it more sadthan anything else, just that
you know there was that loss oflife, the family trying to deal
with it like it right.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
The treatment of and the way they view grief in this
movie is very real I think onfirst viewing I was, like the
mom's, a little unhinged, but ona second viewing, the part
about her like just walking theneighborhood and walking into
people's houses and being like Ijust wanted to see what someone
else's life was like, that isheartbreaking yeah, I thought
that too yeah, you know it's.
(30:50):
It's so sad and I I think withthe, with the psychic not
bringing up the tapes that hehad with her.
I think she needed.
They needed to have somesupernatural experiences first,
because the supernaturalexperiences are the dreams that
she describes right shedescribes these experiences that
end up being what theyexperience with her ghost.
(31:12):
Um, so maybe he needed to beconfronted with that of, just
like, wait, you said what shewas doing, what now?
Or you felt like this was whathere's.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
These tapes that you know align with that yeah, I did
like the piece about theneighbor creeping into the house
as well and and trying to toget hold of the tape.
And obviously the mother knewthat she had like that hiding
spot for stuff.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
But yeah, I guess she had a safe, yeah, yeah yeah so,
but obviously, yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
It's interesting because at first you're like, oh
, what's that movement?
Speaker 1 (31:45):
then you go oh, it's the neighbor and then on the
first viewing, I thought that II thought there was something
off about that and I think Ifelt like I was seeing her over
there.
And then the movement in thehallway happened.
I was like, oh, that wasn'twhat I thought it was.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
And then clearly you can see that dude like crouched
down there yeah I don't know howthe police couldn't find them,
though I mean very, it's veryhard these days to disappear,
even even even back then, likethat's, and it's only what 15
years ago or something it'sbased, or 20 years ago yeah very
hard to actually disappear likethat and especially the whole
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family you know yeah, yeah, theygot to enroll in school
somewhere exactly.
I think I would have been morethan, like the father said uh,
alice's father said, oh, I'dthrottle him if I saw him.
I think I'd do more thanthrottle him, but but, um, yeah,
interesting, that whole pieceis interesting.
I'm like she obviously babysatfor them and I don't know how
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she got involved.
Or was she involved because shewanted to be, or was she
involved because she was coercedfor some reason, or he maybe,
yeah, had groomed her probably,yeah she was still in high
school, I think, when she diedright I don't know, that's.
To me it's probably probably themost shocking part of the film.
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
You expect a ghost.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Like when the ghost happens like you expect that you
don't expect this kind of turn.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
No, when she started watching, the mother started
watching the video and you startseeing the video.
I'm like, oh okay, what ghostlything is going to happen here?
It's like that's not a ghostand it was.
Yeah, it was really.
That's a creep, yeah, reallycreepy and like the mother's
involved as well, like both ofthem.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yeah, it was like this three-way.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
And yeah, so she definitely did have that other
life.
I was going to say somethingabout the music in the film, but
the music I think is reallykind of sparse but really well
done for this film I think it'squite.
It is kind of like thatdocumentary style in some places
that you would hear in some ofthese documentaries sort of
shows.
So they've done a good jobthere.
(33:51):
There's nothing you know majorto stand out.
I'm always disappointed when Idon't have anything really
majorly on the music, because Ilove talking about the music.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yeah, it doesn't really guide your emotions or
anything Like.
It sort of sets a tone ofunease or sadness or like kind
of melancholy.
But it's not too much, it'svery subtle.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
It's very much used, as it would be used in one of
those documentaries really,because there's lots of the
movie where there's nobackground music at all.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
There's times that feel to me like Wernerzog's
documentaries.
They kind of feel like parts ofgrizzly man or into the abyss a
little bit, where it's likejust somber and like intimate
and honest kind of it's hard,maybe, to kind of enjoy, if you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
It's like you can enjoy it, like you can look at
it and go.
That was a really good movie,but it's hard to kind of.
I always felt like when I waswatching it there was always,
especially the second time, itkind of felt just like a heavy
weight around you becausethere's no, it doesn't really
there's no real happy ending.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
No, there's no levity .
No, there's no levity.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
There's nothing really.
No, there's no liberty.
There's nothing really.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
But that's how true crime documentaries feel yeah.
Yeah, they don't really have alot of.
The ending is never satisfyingand there's not a lot of humor
throughout.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Right, and I do think they did a good job of making
the family really feeldisconnected from each other.
Yeah, like even in that lastpicture they took, none of them
are really smiling and they'reall kind of standing separate.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
It destroyed their life.
Yeah, yeah, it did.
It's interesting how they don'tmanage the grief too, like the
father just got stuck into workand distraction, distraction,
distraction.
The mom sort of just went off alittle bit and kind of dealt
with it her own way and the sonfaked evidence did I get a
feeling in this movie when sothere was a scene where they're
talking to the mother and hermother, and to me there was a
(35:56):
sense there's some sort ofpersonality disorder that's been
passed down through thegenerations yeah, the
grandmother is like.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
I never gave all of myself to june and I assume that
she never gave all of herselfto alice like they.
They withheld love maybe yeah,like empathy affection, yeah,
affection, something waswithheld, yeah, there's.
There's a some sort ofpersonality disorder going on
and that could be why alice kindof sought comfort and affection
(36:27):
elsewhere.
Maybe she did kind of, uh, notorganize the the affair with the
neighbor, but leaned into it,seek it out.
Yeah, because I mean, if youcompare it to laura in twin
peaks, she 100 did like she%sought this exciting, dangerous
(36:47):
life.
Maybe Alice was kind of doingthat because of she wasn't happy
at home, she didn't feel seenat home.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
There is footage at that party where she's talking
to the neighbor and is sort ofstanding in a more flirtatious
way talking to him.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
So yeah, I don't know and that we don't know where
that falls in.
Has the affair happened yet?
Is it about to?
We're not really told that part, but whether it's before or
after.
Yeah, yeah but her casualnesswith him doesn't feel like it's
one of the other young girlstalking to, like an elder.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
It seems like two adults talking to each other,
yeah, yeah yeah, I thought theinclusion of all her school
friends from time to time inthis was really good, really
well done, obviously in the samestyle of the documentary, but
having some of her good friendssort of speaking up and then
later on saying how surprisedthey were that they didn't
(37:44):
realize she had this other lifeand was doing all this other
stuff.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Not only did, what is it they say?
They basically say, like notonly did she have secrets, but
she didn't even let on that shehad secrets.
Like there's not even likeanything to think, oh, maybe
she's keeping something from us.
Like that wasn't even the case,like they never even assumed
that she would do something likethat.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
I think she said something like she even kept her
secret secret, or somethinglike that.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
I did want to ask is it really common for kids going
to school to have schooluniforms?
Do you like?
Speaker 3 (38:21):
all the schools have school uniforms.
They all have school uniforms,yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Is that what those kind of bluish, the checkered
sort of?
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:28):
That's a classic school uniform.
Yeah, okay, summer schooluniform, you can tell, but yeah,
it's.
There's.
All schools in Australia haveschool uniform.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Oh, wow, okay, that's interesting I don't know.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
It makes it more equal, yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Oh, wow, okay.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
That's interesting, I don't know it makes it more
equal.
You don't have kids that arereally well off sort of
flaunting their great clothesover kids that aren't so well
off, sort of thing.
It's always a big thing.
Every time you get to near theend of school holidays in
December, about to go into thenew school year, you start
seeing all the ads on TV.
Oh, I bet Things like that.
And then your school year youstart seeing all the ads on TV.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Oh, I bet.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Things like that.
And then you're always outbuying school uniform and
there's always like a I rememberdoing it with my daughter you
go up to the school beforeschool, like you know, a few
weeks before school goes backand they've got like a shop sort
of set up and you go in and youbuy the summer uniform and you
buy the sports uniform and allthe other stuff, yeah, yeah, and
(39:29):
you buy the sports uniform andall the other stuff, yeah, yeah,
there's obviously schools herethat have school uniforms but
it's I think it's a lot lesscommon right um, it's usually
like catholic school yeah, orcharter school or some sort of
private school, but publicschool tends not to have them.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Um.
I think my, my friend's sonwent to a public school where
they had like a dress code, um,but it wasn't necessarily a like
the same uniform for everybodysome are more rigid than others
yeah, as far as the dress codesgo, we had one.
I think every school has like aversion of one yeah, this one
was pretty strict because theyhad to wear like khaki pants and
(40:05):
and a blue polo shirt orsomething yeah, so you guys
obviously didn't wear schooluniforms no no, no we could kind
of wear well they.
They had a dress code,obviously, but we were allowed
to wear pretty much what wewanted, as long as it wasn't
offensive and it didn't croptops yeah, yeah shoulders.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Yeah, short shorts had to be a certain length yeah,
I think we touched on before,but but how do you think this
film sort of compares withmovies like you know, paranormal
activity, maybe even thebabadook talking about not so
not really found footage, butkind of like those ghostly sort
of films?
Speaker 1 (40:47):
I mean I mentioned before like I think the faux
documentary format is moreeffective than the, the
traditional found footage likeshaky cam uh version.
So I'd say it's.
It's more effective than um,than paranormal activity.
In that way it's tricky becauselike Blair Witch kind of
straddles that line of the ofthe two types and does it pretty
(41:08):
well.
I think it definitely exceedsparanormal activity.
I think it it makes thecharacters so much more likable
and the tension, the tensionthey try for in paranormal
activity, this succeeds on withmuch less effort yeah.
I agree same with the stinger atthe end, because the stinger on
paranormal activity is soelaborate and so like and it
(41:29):
feels really forced.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Yes, this felt very organic and, uh, because of that
build-up like it really puncheshard yeah, I think paranormal
activity and films like that arepretty much just there to get
crowds in and make them jump.
Yeah, I've gone off jump scaresquite a bit over the years.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Yeah, Especially the musical stinger that always
feels like cheating almost.
Yeah, yeah yeah, but I thinkwhen you talked about comparing
it to the Babadook, I think thisfeels so much more about the
family's grieving process andless about the scares.
And I love the babadook, but,um, that feels much more like a
(42:12):
traditional scary movie thanthis.
This.
This has creepy, unsettlingmoments, but it's more about,
like, unraveling the mysteryyeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
They are both dealing with grief to a degree, though
that's true, yeah which isinteresting and in that way they
are similar because they areunflattering, unflinching yeah
it comes to grief, um, and itshows the different ways that it
, that it manifests and I'd saybaba duke, is like a heightened
version of of how grief can cantake over, but yeah, very
(42:42):
similar any uh.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Final thoughts on the film I mean I would definitely
recommend this movie.
I think it's I don't know.
I think it feels really uniqueas far as being a mockumentary
or found footage film, but italso feels unique being a
supernatural film, it's.
It's not really like anything.
You would think it's not youknow, six cents and and that
(43:05):
kind of thing is what comes tomind when you talk about a ghost
movie, and it's nothing likethat.
Um, it is a slow burn, so youhave to be patient with it, but
I think it excels at creating acreepy, unsettling feeling in
the way that the best likewritten ghost stories do yeah, I
would agree.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
I'd recommend it to anybody that can handle a slow
burn, because I know that forsome they don't really want to
sit there without a lot and letthe tension build like that.
But if you are into slow burnsand you can be patient, it's
really worth it.
And it does warrant rewatchesbecause it's just rich with all
(43:42):
of this other detail and thenthe speculation, and if that is
your kind of movie, I wouldrecommend it.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
I agree and I think, like you were just saying, it
took me really two watches ofthis movie to get the most out
of it, and I reckon that'sprobably the best way to watch
this movie.
Most people would see a movieonce and be done.
I'd actually probably recommendyou watch this movie twice.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
At least twice.
I wouldn't say like it's a goodone to put on on a Sunday to
kind of unwind.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Like it's not that kind of movie.
It's not that kind of movie atall.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
But if you watch it once, watch it again within like
fairly quick succession, andthen you can take a break.
It's fine.
But the second watch is sosatisfying.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
You miss quite a bit of the subtext.
In the first viewing, um, andsince I had no idea what the
movie was about, I was kind oflike I said before, I was
waiting for jump scares andscary stuff.
And then, watching it a secondtime, I was able to just relax
and let the movie sort of washover me and and sort of get more
into it.
I wasn't on guard, so to speak,and I definitely recommend it.
If you're expecting a bla BlairWitch or a paranormal activity,
(44:46):
you're not going to get it.
No, but you're going to get areally good film and an
unsettling.
Like I said, I can't get overthe sadness in the movie.
Yeah, it's a really sad movie,but really good.
Really enjoyed it.
So do the usual thing and askyou guys what's going on in your
podcasting lives and what'shappening.
(45:09):
I know you both do the Banshees, so interested to hear about
that.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
I will turn it over to Tab Plug us.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
So we just released our prom episode.
I was going to school, so wegot a little bit of a backlog of
episodes to come out.
We did just release our promepisode, but we've got some
really good ones coming out soon.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Should we tease the topics a little bit?
Speaker 4 (45:34):
Yeah, Midsommar, we talk about that.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Full horror in general, but Midsommar in
general.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
We've got a whole episode on lesbian vampires.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
That's my episode.
That is my birthday episode andI'm particularly excited for
that, but there's quite a fewbangers in the vault right now.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
Yeah definitely Excellent.
Speaker 4 (45:53):
Just to give people a flavor of what the podcast is
about feminist podcast withpeople of kind of all walks of
life, all different genderidentities and, you know, sexual
orientations, and we arelooking at these movies and the
(46:16):
different media from how femmepresenting people are
represented in them.
Or experience them honestlybecause some of the topics are a
little bit more like just howdid we feel about this as femme
presenting people right and youknow we we try to do some movies
(46:37):
that are written and directedby women, but it's also
interesting to talk about moviesthat aren't, because you know,
that tends to be the themajority and it also those
movies tend to shape how womenare viewed through movies in our
culture.
So and how we view ourselvesright, exactly we talk about in
(46:58):
the promise for ourselves inthose movies yeah, in the prom
episode we talk about pretty inPink and how that sort of shaped
the way a lot of young womenand young femme presenting
people viewed romanticrelationships.
And at the time Ducky is acharacter that I love but is
also really problematic.
He's kind of like a nice guycharacter and the one that has
(47:22):
sort of been held up is like, oh, this is what you want.
You want a guy to be thisinterested in you and no yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
He has his fair share of problems too.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
It is an interesting viewpoint.
I enjoy listening to it, so Iwould suggest, if you're just
into a good podcast, it'sdefinitely worth listening to.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
Yeah, we have a lot of fun.
We balance out the seriousconversations with a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
You've got some interesting personalities on
there.
Yes, definitely, it's alwaysgood listening to everyone's
point of view.
It's really good, yeah, great.
And socials where can peoplefind you guys?
Speaker 4 (48:03):
I'm at HorrorFlickTab on Instagram.
You can find the StilettoBanshees at the Stiletto
Banshees on Instagram.
That's where we post the most,but we're also on Threads and
Blue Sky, I think.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
I'm on Instagram at MissValentine138.
That's M-S.
Missvalentine138.
And I'm pretty active on there.
I'm not really on anything else, but that's my main one.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
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You can join up now.
It's open to everybody.
Speaker 4 (48:26):
It's very similar to Twitter, old Twitter.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
I have never even heard of this.
What is this?
Speaker 3 (48:31):
It's like Twitter without Elon Musk.
So it's great.
Oh, so perfect.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
Yeah, and I think it was created by the same guy that
created Twitter right, it wasit was.
So it's basically like oldTwitter.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah, interesting.
Okay, catch me on that, maybeat the same title.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
All right, it's awesome having you guys on.
Thank you so much.
It's great having you Thank you.
Speaker 4 (48:53):
Thank you for having us.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
It's always fun.
I always find movies that I hadnever like.
All of the three episodes I'vedone of this.
I've been blown away by eachmovie.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
So I love doing this show.
All right, thank you so much,guys, and when we come back
we'll talk about what's comingup next.
And now preview time.
When it comes to entertainment,you can't beat a good film, so
let's take a look at what'scoming your way.
Listen, man, I need to splashthe boots, you know?
Strain the potatoes.
Barry McKenzie G'day ladies andgentlemen, barry McKenzie's the
(49:37):
name.
He's got a great big grin and agreat big chin.
Give him half a chance.
He'll be in like Flynn.
His great big fist will flattenany palm.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
He's got a great big thirst.
You can do your worst when theytap the cake.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
He'll be in there first.
It's a love you'll never win.
And then you hop and go down.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
Raymond, this is Barry McKenzie.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Go and stick your head up a dead bear's bum.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Look, barry, seriously.
I've been promising myself atrip to the old country ever
since Norm's little operation.
My family came from Britainmany moons ago, you know.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
Um, hello, sir.
I'm terribly sorry, butSomebody must have let that
Australian lunatic on the set.
Excuse me, sir, have you thetime?
Speaker 2 (50:28):
Sorry sport, but at point of established fact, at
the present period of time wewatch Richard shaking hands with
my wife's best friend.
If we can't make bread out ofan authentic Australian folk
singer, I'll quit this racket.
Idiom, like you chose well, sir, you chose well here.
Eh, like it, that'll be 43guineas for this sweep Capital
(50:48):
idea.
I'll take the boy into my denand put it up to him.
Speaker 4 (50:52):
Oh no, you won't, you filthy old perv?
Speaker 2 (50:55):
I'll ask him I want you to think of me as someone
that you can turn towards.
Yeah, from what I've heard ofyour mob, you won't catch me
turning any other way From thetimber park in South Robert,
kansas.
The adventures of the wild andthe wilds.
(51:31):
What unbutton the mutton, youknow, point Percy at the
porcelain.
Speaker 3 (51:38):
I think he wants to go to the loo.
Next up on A Dingo Ate my Movie, I'll be joined again by Matt
Fulton as we dive headfirst intothe adventures of Barry
McKenzie, and Barry McKenzieholds his own.
Thank you for taking the timeto listen to this episode.
(52:00):
Thank you to all my guests whogive their time to make this
podcast possible, and a specialthanks to you for listening.
Don't forget you can followaingo Ate my Movie on social
media.
We're A Dingo Movie on Twitter,Dingo Movie Pod on Facebook and
Instagram and we're on the webat dingomoviepodcom.
(52:20):
If you'd like to support theshow, leave us a rating or
review on Apple Podcasts orshare the show with your friends
.
Of course, you can always buyme a coffee over at
buymeacoffeecom slash dingomovie pod.
Once again, thanks forlistening.
Stay safe and I'll see you onthe next episode of A Dingo Ate
(52:43):
my Movie.
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