March 23, 2023 • 46 mins
On the first episode of Season Three of ‘We’re Not Blowing Hot Air,’ Dr. Jordan Shilts, Founder of Statera Health – a clinic specializing in functional medicine in Edina, Minnesota – chats with Lauren Carlstrom and new co-host, Robert Burns, about how and why we can live longer than we think! Dr. Jordan explains the difference between lifespan and healthspan, chronological age versus biological age, and what we can do to win at the game of life. Plus, learn why goals are at the crux of helping us live a long, healthy, happy life – all on this episode of ‘We’re Not Blowing Hot Air.’
About Dr. Jordan Shilts:
Dr. Jordan Shilts is Founder of Statera Health – a clinic specializing in functional medicine in Edina, Minnesota. Dr. Jordan incorporates chiropractic care, brain-based therapies, nutrition, and movement into his holistic treatments to extend his patient’s healthspan and improve quality of life. His goal is to make longevity practices effective, simple and accessible. His unique approach promotes foundational pillars of health (sleep, autonomic functions and recovery) while simultaneously improving his patient’s mindset towards lifestyle change.
Dr. Jordan graduated with his Doctor of Chiropractic from Northwestern Health Sciences University in Bloomington, Minnesota. He received his B.S. in Kinesiology from Winona State University. Dr. Jordan is certified in nutrition and applied kinesiology and is dedicated to furthering his education. He is actively finalizing his M.S. in Exercise Science, performing thesis research in autonomic nervous system function, and currently pursuing a diplomate in Functional Neurology.
Learn more Statera Health: https://officialstatera.com/
Follow Statera Health on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/staterahealth_edina/
This podcast references, and suggests reading, the book, Lifespan: Why We Age―and Why We Don't Have To' by Dr. David Sinclair. "In this groundbreaking book, Dr. David Sinclair, leading world authority on genetics and longevity, reveals a bold new theory for why we age. As he writes: 'Aging is a disease, and that disease is treatable.'"
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the We're Not Blowing Hot Air podcast,
powered by Oxygen Plus.
This season, we're all about thenewest proven wellness hacks
that'll help you think, feel,and perform your best.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Absolutely.
Living longer and healthierisn't a far off dream with the
easy actionable ways that wewill learn today.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Let's start training for the Game of Life with this
episode.
Special guest on We're notblowing hot air.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Hello everyone.
Hi Lauren.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Hi, Robert.
How are
Speaker 2 (00:31):
You doing?
Very well, thank you.
Welcome to this episode of We'reNot Blowing Hot Air today.
I am here, we are here with Dr.
Jordan Schultz.
Um, or Schultz, sorry, Jordan.
Um, I am very excited to haveyou guys here from Jordan today.
I was actually introduced toJordan, uh, by Lauren.
Um, so I'm gonna go ahead andhave Lauren introduce Jordan.
(00:52):
Uh, but we're excited to talk tohim today.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah, well thanks Robert.
It's great to have you here too.
Thank you.
Welcome to the podcast as Mike,new co-host.
Um, I'm really excited becauseDr.
Jordan, you are, uh, you have adegree in chiropractic with an
emphasis in functional medicine.
You have a wellness clinic inEdina, Minnesota, not too far
from where the opl headquartersis located, and it offers a, an
(01:17):
incredible malu of services atSt.
Satara.
Did I say that right?
Satara?
Yep.
Dr.
Jordan.
Yep.
Okay.
I'm sorry, Satara.
Um, it's a little early thismorning.
I'm gonna have my coffee with ustoday, but it, you offer
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hyperbaric oxygen, l e d, lighttherapy, functional medicine,
biomarker lab test, andchiropractic wellness.
So a lot of things.
Um, I know that some of yourclients, so you can't obviously
reveal names.
You, you service professionalathletes that are local to
Minnesota of all kinds, as wellas people who are just
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interested in wellness or, andor also maybe struggling with
some major health issues.
And so, um, without further ado,I, I just would love for you to
really have this opportunity totalk about the topic of lifespan
versus healthspan and what thatmeans with those terms or maybe
(02:19):
kind of new or nuanced at bestin today's world.
And so can you share with usmore about who you are in the
context of like, how you knowand understand lifespan and
healthspan?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, yeah, of course.
Thanks for having me, guys.
I'm so glad that this came tofruition.
Like said, our offices are soclose.
So it's been really cool to havethe conversations that we've
had.
You know, I think if we could,we could have easily recorded
them and been on like episodethree by now,.
Um, they've been been just a, alot of joy with that.
But yeah.
(02:53):
Yeah.
Um, just a little bit ofbackground about myself.
Um, I'm just super passionate inthe field of, of, of
personalized health and wherehealthcare is going.
Um, I think it really gives, uh,individuals the accessibility to
just create health instead ofmanaged disease.
And that's something that I'vealways really been interested
again with, with where thetrajectory is heading.
(03:15):
So my background is inchiropractic.
Um, I graduated fromNorthwestern, um, chiropractic
with, uh, in 2019.
Um, early on in my journey, Iwas really exposed to functional
medicine and what that means asa definition.
We can kind of get into that alittle bit later.
But it's really about, um, thecreation of health again and,
(03:40):
and looking at things from thatperspective as opposed to kind
of the wait and see model ofmanaging disease and managing
symptoms.
Um, so thankfully, again, I wasable to be exposed to that
really on early on in mychiropractic journey and had a
bunch of really good mentors inthe space who, who kind of, uh,
really accelerated, um, the, theprocess and really shortened the
(04:04):
gap in, in what I wanted to dofollowing graduation.
Now, of course, we're probablyall familiar with biohacking
also.
Now there's all these differenttools and hacks and technologies
that you can do to, to reallysupport your body and, and its
innate intelligence.
And I thought, what a cool ideato bridge functional medicine
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with some of these biohackingtools so that we can really
accelerate healing and, and seefaster and more efficient
outcomes.
So that kind of really led tothe creation of Satara Health.
Um, myself and my co-founder, Dr.
Jarin Faber, we actually livedtogether throughout chiropractic
school, so we had all this timeto really come, um, together
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and, and create a really coolmodel, um, which is Terre Health
.
So that's how I, I came incontact with Lauren and it's
been just some really coolconversations ever since.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Awesome.
Thank you, Dr.
Jordan.
So I, I know one of the firsttopics that we talked about in
person and had a really longconversation about a really
interesting conversation, atopic I've never actually even
heard of, which was lifespanversus healthspan.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah.
I wanna, let's
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Get into that.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, people arestarting to live longer, right?
Um, just because of technology,science, the medical community,
people are starting to live alittle bit longer, but are
people really questioning thequality of that life as they get
older?
Yeah.
And I know that the medicalcommunity in the past has always
looked at, uh, the length ofsomebody's life as kind of the
(05:33):
measurement, right?
Versus the actual quality of thelife that they're having as
they're growing older.
So, Dr.
Jordan, can you describe to us,you know, what is lifespan
versus the actual definition ofhealthspan?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, absolutely.
And this is really the emergenceof Healthcare 2.0 as opposed to
this early age thinking or earlyday thinking of healthcare 1.0.
And this is, is largely theframework that I've taken from,
um, a mentor of mine who Ihaven't actually met, but I'm
sure your audience is reallyfamiliar with.
And that's Dr.
Peter Atia.
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He really talks about this in areally elegant matter.
But if we think about healthspanand lifespan, the easiest way to
think about this is on a graph.
So Healthspan being on the yaxis, a little bit more about
the quality of life and lifespanon the X axis, pretty easy to
understand is the amount ofyears that you have.
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So the goal on this is tomaximize the amount of
healthspan for the amount ofyears that, that we are alive.
Um, lifespan is a little bitmore about delaying the onset of
chronic disease too.
So like you're talking about asnew emerging technologies come
about, you know, a lot of people, um, don't necessarily want to
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live longer, but they certainlywanna live better.
So that's really what we try tooptimize in our clinic and
really what we we're hoping to,uh, kinda jump on this, this new
bandwagon for Healthcare 2.0.
So when we think about
Speaker 1 (07:06):
No, Dr.
Jar.
Yeah, I was just gonna say, inmy experience with like talking
with people, especially likeolder people, they are, I've
heard it said that they don'twanna necessarily live long, uh,
because they just really wannafeel good when they're alive.
And, and so I think like when,when I first heard and start
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started knowing more about whatyour f what functional medicine
offers or personalized medicineand just a wellness model on top
of, and healthy living on top ofall the other services that like
medical medicine, traditionalWestern medicine offers.
And like, I started to see like,oh, you, you know, the message I
started in like resonating in myheart was like, you don't have
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to have one or the other now.
Like, even if you're in yourolder age, there's still a lot
of things you can do to havethat life's that health span on
top of the remaining lifespan.
You know?
And like, I just think like it,I think that's just an important
thing to like kinda understandlike whether we're young or old,
like true we can do things tomake our healthspan how we feel
(08:13):
better, kind of regardless ofthe lifespan that we have left.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent.
And I think when we think aboutthe characteristics of what
makes a good quality of life,you have to think about things
of, you know, freedom of painand movements, cognition and
brain health, your sense ofpurpose, um, your connection to
family, friends, and yourcommunity.
And lastly, your emotionaltolerance to stress.
(08:40):
Um, and I guess the generalconsensus, when you're thinking
about living longer, thosethings aren't really taken into
account, you know, cuz at theage of around 70 or 80, those
things dramatically start tofall off hand.
So who would want to, you know,extend lifespan at the expense
of not having some of thosecharacteristics?
So our entire, um, model or, youknow, again, the emergence of
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healthcare 2.0 is how can weshift that graph so we can
maximize, uh, healthspan lateron into our later years.
So we are doing things likecreating memories and
experiences with, with futuregenerations and doing what we
love later on in life.
That's really the goal of, of,you know, what I believe to be
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true healthcare.
And, and I think what, what moreand more people are, are
starting to, um, be open to.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
And I think one of the important things that we
talked about yesterday, Jordan,that Lauren might not have heard
, um, when we were discussing,uh, kind of the calculation that
you were doing about as weprogress, you know, into the
future and technologies progressfor every year that technology
goes forward, um, us as humanbeings tend to live a certain
amount longer, right?
(09:54):
And that's just kind ofsomething saying, look guys, it,
it is true.
We're we are, just because we'repart of this modern, you know,
day, we're gonna live longer.
So we need to make sure that aswe live longer, we're able to,
you know, do activities with ourgrandkids, be able to pick up
these, you know, differentthings and be able to work out
and maybe ski and still do somethings as, as we're older.
(10:15):
Can you remind me of what thatkind of calculation was, Jordan?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Yeah.
So that's a quote or actually astat from David Sinclair.
They're just kind of likeforecasting based off of where
technology is heading in thefuture and all the things that
we're likely gonna have accessto in the context of more
preventative technologies,better, um, just better
understandings of our health andmore efficient treatments,
(10:41):
that's naturally just going toincrease the amount of lifespan
that we have.
And I think you and I did thecalculations, again, I'm not a
huge math guy, but if you areliving, or if you're expecting
to live about 50 years longer,every month that you stay alive,
you can add about an extra weekto your, the end of your life.
(11:02):
And I think we totaled that upover 50 years.
What was it?
Like 12 and a half years is whatthat comes to.
Yep, yep.
So significant, uh,.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Pretty significant.
And
Speaker 1 (11:13):
That's, but again, just to kinda reiterate, if you
do what, well, how can you, howcan I get those extra weeks for
every month or the extra weekfor
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Every month?
That's just, that's just stayingalive with, with where the
trajectory of medical technologyand, and future advancements are
heading.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Okay.
So not necess importantnecessarily the the health part.
Just the life part, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Mm-hmm.
.
Yeah.
But I think naturally, uh, uh,as a byproduct of increasing
your health span, you know,doing things for your movement,
doing things for your brainhealth, your sense of purpose,
really tapping into these thingsas a byproduct, you're naturally
going to be, uh, you know,extending lifespan on top of
that too.
Sure.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Okay.
Okay.
I know that like, there's, um,there's like an age we have that
is our biological age, and thenthere's an age we have that's
like this internal biomarker.
Can you tell, tell me how doesthat play in to what you're
talking about right now and howare, how are functional medicine
doctors or other people inwellness using that measurement?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah, so that's such a, a great point.
I believe you just had yoursran, right?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I'm about to, I can't wait.
I'm gonna be like about to 15.
I'm scared to
Speaker 3 (12:32):
.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
No, that's the kinda thing that's this podcast is for
you, Robert.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah.
You're, that you're that oldperson.
I was talking about, I'm
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Well, that's one of those cool advances in, in
medicine and healthcare thatwe're talking about, and the
accessibility to test in thesebiomarkers that we can use to
get a better metric or gauge ofhow efficient we are aging.
And, uh, the biological age isa, is a really unique tool.
(13:02):
Um, it's, it's, you know, we'reall familiar with the
chronological age and how old weare, but some people, you know,
I have the liberty of, in aclinical practice, I can have a,
a 60 year old walk in and theycan look 20 years younger, or
they can look 20 years older.
And so that's kind of where thisbiological age, this new marker
(13:24):
is really cool because it cansee the, the true biological age
of your cells versus the age youare.
So you can kind of use that as a, again, a a reference point to
understand, hey, are the thingsthat I'm doing in my life, um,
beneficial to that biologicalage, or am I actually set back?
And what can we do to, you know,shift that in the right
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direction.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
So what does the chronological age, how do, how
does it like compare?
Is it just the, how do theydetermine what would make that
the health of the chronologicalage so they're able to compare
it to the biological?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah.
So that's, it's kind of a wholeother conversation, but, uh,
there's this thing calledmethylation, and what it does is
it, uh, regulates thecommunication of the cells, or I
guess like the, the efficiencyof, of their communication and
when genes are turned on andwhen genes are turned off mm-hmm
.
.
Um, so they kind of use that asa, as a marker.
(14:28):
Currently it's, it's prettyexpensive to run, but I know
the, the guys behind the scenesare working to, uh, make this
super accessible.
So again, if there is one markerthat you can use to, you know,
say, Hey, what did this week offasting or what did this, you
know, protocol do for me?
You can really see a before andafter on, on how it shifts that
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biological age, which is gonnabe really, really cool.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Okay.
And like, but is there a goalset for like, okay, you need to
be like 25% younger than yourchronological age on your
biological marker?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Oh, that I am not familiar with.
I, I don't know.
I know there's a rate of agingand you want that to be below
one.
So for example, if you are, youknow, you want your biological
age to be less than the rates ofyour chronological age.
So every 365 days, which wouldbe a year, if you're, if you're
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biologically you're aging only300 days, you know you're gonna
have a positive, um, uh, kind oftrajectory on that.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Okay.
Yeah.
And I like the idea of the test,you know, even though it's scary
to me, I like the idea of itbecause I think a test like that
kind of gives you a kick in thepants that you need.
You know, if, if for me, forexample, you know, I just turned
40 this year.
So if I came into Dr.
Jordan and he told me that I'maging like a 65 year old, I
think that would give me a kickin the pants to really change
some, change some habits in mylife, which I think a lot of us
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need, right?
That a lot of us that aren'tgoing to, um, to, you know, we
may be going to a, a clinicaldoctor or just our normal
physician and you know, like Dr.
Jordan and I talked about, youmay be going in and, and saying,
I have a cold, and they'll giveyou some medicine and you get
past the cold.
Versus actually kind of findingsome things in advance that I
could go ahead and change thatwould really help my healthspan
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and most likely my lifespan.
Um, so I think it's, it's a cooltest and a good idea for, for
anybody who kind of needs thatextra push to go out and make
some, some lifestyle changes.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah.
You know, the fear of bad newsis something that'll always be
present and, you know, Hey,should I get this, uh, this
health test ran performed on me.
But that's really thedifferentiator too, between
functional medicine andtraditional medicine.
Traditional medicine, right.
Um, some of my favorite patients, uh, on their, on a yearly
basis, I guess, you know, we, wedon't say that we have favorite
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patients, but in the idealpatient what's happening is
they're going to Mayo, they'regetting the executive physical,
which is running all these testsand lab procedures to rule out
different pathologies, right?
But if, if some of those testscome back normal and you still
have symptoms, that's reallywhere functional medicine and,
and kind of this whole frameworkof health healthcare 2.0 comes
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into play.
Cause it's all about how can weoptimize, uh, your, your
wellbeing to, to be able to dothe things that you want to do
as later on as, or as late on asyou can in life.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yep.
For sure.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Well, that makes a lot of sense.
Thank you for explaining that.
Um, what are some of the thingswe can do to increase our health
span?
We've done the Mayo Clinicexecutive physical or wherever
we go, we've done all the testsin the traditional medical cuz
we're just, we're we're feelinga little off or majorly off.
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And then we get to an a cliniclike yours.
What happens next?
What do you offer?
Like what are the things you cando or refer out to so we can do?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Well, I think the first and most important thing
is understanding the why behind.
Why do you want to be doingthese things?
Whether that's understandingyour sense of purpose, um,
understanding what you want todo later on in life and, uh, and
really training for the game oflife.
A lot of us, you know, early onin our, uh, adolescent sports
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stays, it was all about, well,of course, like I'm in football
season, so I'm training for, youknow, exposition for, for this
season.
But in the game of life, whatyou're really training for is
how can I be the most badass andcapable, you know, 90 year old
or 100 year old?
And then what you do is justreverse engineer that by decade.
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So you're saying, Hey, what arethe things that, you know, a 60
year old or a 70 year old needsto be doing?
And how can I be achieving thosethings so that way I can do the
things that I love?
And for me, this is skiing,golf, travel, and adventure with
my love and of course playingwith future generations.
So what are the things that Ineed to be doing right now that
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set me up on the path to, um,being able to do that when I'm
90
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Now j Dr.
Jordan, what about, and I knowI've asked you this in the past,
but you know, what about just,you know, somebody that doesn't
necessarily even come into theclinic.
Like, what can somebody like meon a regular basis do to really
help, you know, increase myhealth span, just even if
they're little things, littlechanges that I might be able to
incorporate in my life that willreally help?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Sure.
And this is all about the, theframework of kind of how we take
our clinics through or just the,the general thinking.
And again, once you define thatgoal, then you can create a
better framework.
Um, I guess clinically speaking,I can go off that.
Um, we really like to see, youknow, a lot of objective labs.
Of course we have their goals ofwhere they want to do, and then
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we pair that with a reallydetailed health intake so we can
get a really good idea of wherethe individual is and where they
want to go.
And then we, just to answer yourquestion, kind of go through
categorically, all right, whatare some things that we can do
to increase our brain health,you know, our gut health, our
sleep, our exercise andnutrition, all these different,
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uh, categories and, and reallylike tactical approaches that,
that we can, um, help tooptimize.
And of course there's, there's amyriad of those things, right?
But it all comes down toindividually what suits you.
Um, and that is largely the artof what we do clinically.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
How about like a rapid fire question?
Like I'll say the condition andyou say one thing that I could
do either in the clinic or off.
All right?
Sure.
Like, um, okay, sleep better,
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Sleep better.
Uh, try to in or decrease thetemperature in your room.
There's a lot of differentstudies on temperature and how
that affects the onset of sleep.
So I always think about, allright, do you have tr do you
have trouble falling asleep orstaying asleep?
And if it does come down tofalling asleep, then typically
what you can do to, to, uh,really influence falling into
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sleep is, is plain withtemperature.
So whether that's a late nightsauna, a late warm bath, that
way you're elevating your bodytemperature.
And then maybe you can set the,the, uh, thermostat in your
bedroom to a little bit lower,and that way you're kinda
dipping into sleep, um, a littlebit faster.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Awesome.
I have a chili pad on my bed,which makes it cold.
There you go.
Like you go 60 degrees and thenit actually turns on heat.
You can program it to warm youas you wake.
Nice.
So it's like really smooth andsick.
Okay.
How about, um, what was the one,another ailment?
Um,
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Let's say, um, is there anything that you can do
for, uh, let's say like chronicheadaches, Jordan?
Nice.
Like maybe migraines, chronicheadaches, um, you know, maybe
even like stress, headaches,things of that nature.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Sure.
Um, little like multifactorialwith that one.
Let's go next one.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
You skipping that one?
Yeah, we'll see on theheadaches.
Okay.
?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah.
.
Fair enough.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Um, well, I mean, what I do, I think the stress
thing is what you said.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah.
Stress for sure.
So,
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Okay.
For me it's like exercise,walking, like something physical
like that.
Like really automatically likedrops my cortisol, like lowers
like my, my homocystine.
Am I using right words?
Dr.
Jordan, does that work?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, it just calms me.
Right.
And then, then I like, but I putsome physical exertion, like
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rowing and I kind of do to helplower my stress sometimes.
Yeah.
Um, or walk my dog.
How about you?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Uh, for me it's, it's really kind of, you know, it's
interesting.
It's, it's sitting down and, andplaying with my daughter and
kind of just, you know, havingthat, that kind of innocence
and, and way that she looks atthe world just kind of calms me
down a little bit.
That's awesome.
Um, so maybe even just somethinglike that
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Family community that goes back to what you were
saying earlier.
All right.
Um, how about, how about like,you know, I'm just like, um,
just I don't really love likeeating all the time.
Like I don't, like, I don't havelike enough enjoyment with my
food.
Is that a thing people come intoever with?
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Uh, yeah.
Yeah, A little bit.
That's, it's more on the, likethe emotionality side of things.
We actually work with apsychologist and, and pass'em
along to, you know, really workon their mindset or emotional
stress tolerance.
Cause that largely plays into,you know, the whole goal of
increasing, um, just a lot.
I mean, that ties intoeverything.
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You know, it allows theindividual to give, get hope,
um, kind of get out of their,their head, kind of change up
the stories that they're tellingtheirselves or some of the
strategies that they've beendoing that just haven't been
successful.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
So, Dr.
Jordan, I think, you know, a lotof this is leading and, and I'm
sure as, as guests, you guys arewondering too, you know, I've
asked you this in the past, um,and I'm sure it's objective as
well, but what is moreimportant, do you think, um, in
your opinion?
Is it longevity, longevity oflife or lifespan?
Or is it healthspan, which is,you know, of course what we
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talked about, quality of life.
I think, you know, for me, themore important part would be to
spend really good years with thepeople I love.
Mm-hmm.
versus kind ofjust being this, you know, old
person that has to get movedaround by people and, you know,
can't really communicate, can'treally do things.
Yeah.
I think for me it would bereally important to just have
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those really good years with thepeople I love and, and be able
to perform my best.
Um, but you know, some otherpeople, like we talked about
yesterday, Jordan, that, uh, youknow, a lot of the older
generations would say, my goalis to live to a hundred.
But there's nothing mentioned inthere about being a hundred and
being well, you know,
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Right.
Like, so first of all, I wonderlike etymology, where has that,
where's the bifurcation of thishappened?
Like in thinking about aging andlike how we have kind of
accepted that we, when we growold, we get sick, right?
Like, where is that, where didthat mindset first creep into
our world?
And then like, really where inthis more modern era of
(25:18):
healthcare 2.0 has like this newidea of like being able to live
longer and healthier kind oftook rote.
And then also like, whatseparates, like in the clients
that you work with, what, whatdo you see as like, kind of, is
there one or two like predominating factors that kind of
separate the crowd?
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah.
Well, to answer your questionfirst, Robert, it's really a
delicate balance and delicatedance between the two with
Healthspan and lifespan.
And that's really the art andthe science of it too, right?
Because, you know, of course youhear all of these different
wellness gurus talking about,you know, the 20 different
things that you need to be doingbefore 10:00 AM to live the most
(26:01):
optimal life.
Well, obviously, you know, notonly is that sustainable, but
it's probably more stressful.
So Yeah.
Goal of this is to kind of meet,you, meet the patient's interest
with also, you know, theirgoals.
So we can create a really, apersonalized strategy towards
what it does look like to liveto 90 and being the most capable
(26:24):
you can, um, with, with, uh, thecontext of mind and body.
Mm-hmm.
, I think it's kindof interesting to a quote off
this, A healthy person wants,you know, 10,000 things, but a
sick person just wants one.
So I think that really speaks tothe health span side of things.
And again, just being as capableas you can later in life to
(26:46):
create those rich memories andexperiences that really make
life what it's,
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah.
That's a, that's a hard hittingthing I've never heard before.
You know, that a healthy personwants a thousand things, but you
know, the, the sick person justwants to feel, well, you know,
I've never even actually thoughtabout it that way, but that's an
interesting take
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Or to stay sick.
Yeah.
, I don't know, like,what is that one thing?
Is it inferred that it's to behealthy, the sick person
Speaker 3 (27:10):
To get better?
Yeah, it is.
I'm, have you ever thoughtabout, you know, the last time,
the last time you were sick onthe couch, you're like, oh, I
just want, just wanna feelbetter.
I just wanna get back to mydaily routine,
Speaker 1 (27:20):
I guess.
But that's because I'm like, Itry to be more lean into the
healthy realm, you know, like, Ido think there are people who
are so sick and they don't knowthat they don't need to be, that
there's actually like optionsout there to like work through
that all Yeah.
And get better.
True.
And so, I don't know, but okay.
So then can you answer myquestions too?
I'll just remind you, it waskind of about the historical,
(27:40):
like where did this come from?
This like aging and the, theacceptance that when we grow old
we may not feel well.
And then contrary, like thisnewer healthcare 2.0 kind of
modality, what happened indiscovery and in science to kind
of bring us here?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Well, I think a critical part of thinking about
this is how do we prolong thediseases that were likely to die
from, and that beingcardiovascular disease,
neurodegenerative disease,cancer.
And then of course you got awhole list of other things like
accidental death and chronicdisease and so forth.
But if we think about those, um,that's where we can really get
(28:19):
into, um, clinically the, youknow, the personalized model and
the biochemistry and all thesedifferent, uh, chemical makeups
that, um, we can kind of assessand see where you are from, uh,
from a, from a lab perspectiveand from an objective
perspective.
You know, are you heading downthis way?
And that's really where, youknow, the early detection and,
(28:43):
and just getting comprehensivelabs has really been, um, a big,
I guess, uh, early, how do I saythis?
It's been, it's been a way to,uh, intervene more efficiently
kind of earlier on in life.
And again Sure.
So instead of this wait and seemodel, we're able to identify
these things earlier on and, uh,and address'em at the source.
(29:07):
Again, not waiting for symptomsto arrive, but just seeing that
we're maybe not hitting downthis, this right path and, and
how can we intervene
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Gives you a little bit of a chance to be proactive,
huh?
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Probably the best way tosummarize that.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, for, for me,uh, one of the questions that
I've had kind of outstanding iswhat to you, Dr.
Jordan is the best age to kindof start something like this.
Because for me now at 40, I'mjust kind of learning about
these things.
And it was just from speaking toyou that, you know, we had the
ability to do all of thesethings, um, before I thought of
(29:41):
it as something that just likesomebody like Bill Gates does,
right?
Or, or somebody like Jeff Bezoswho can, you know, go and do
hyperbaric oxygen mm-hmm.
and go do all ofthese things and sleep in a
hyperbaric chamber.
And
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah.
Tiger Woods has one in his home,right?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yeah.
.
So I mean, like, things likethat, you know, that are kind of
out of the realm for me, uh, tobe able to do what is like, kind
of the optimum age to startlooking at these types of
things.
Is it when you're in your teens?
Is it when you're in yourtwenties, um, is it, you know,
if you started when you were 10,is it too early to be able to
tell anything?
Like what's the ideal time tostart looking into these things?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yeah.
Well, I think it all comes downto just your kind of your
relationship with that, withthat goal and what that looks
like.
And it, it is always changing,right?
But I mean, as early aspossible, we all have these kind
of benchmarks and milestonesthat we look to achieve and, and
how do we get there in the mostoptimal and efficient way?
(30:37):
Um, but yeah, I guess as, asearly on as, as as you can,
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Sure.
So is the theoretical goal topick like how long you wanna
live and then kind of in ageneric way?
Or is it more like, I wanna bedoing something while I'm older?
Like, which, which is more oflike a successful goal in your
opinion?
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Probably the second one.
Cause again, once, once wefigure out what it is you wanna
be doing, um, then we can kindof, uh, use that.
I think right now, so theaverage life exp expectancy for
a female, um, outweighs males.
I think it's like 82 and a halfyears.
And Robert, you and I are around80 or 79, something like that.
(31:19):
We're catching up.
We are, we are, yep.
.
But, uh, so if we add on those12 extra years that, you know,
we might be able to get with alittle bit of assistance from
technology as, uh, you know,kinda around 90.
So what do we wanna be doingaround 90?
And then again, just kind ofreverse engineer from there.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Hmm.
Okay.
So it really is important thenthat we look at like the, what
we enjoy, our passions, what,like, it kind of starts with,
it's interesting that I didn'treally, I didn't expect that to
be where you would lead a clientto go first.
(32:01):
You know, like it's, it's verylike, it's deep, it's spiritual,
it's emotional, you know, like,it, it might even be like the
physical might have even been abarrier for a person to have
those things in their lives inthe past.
So like, how do they, how doyou, like, do you see most
people get to that place of, ofenvisioning that life for them
(32:22):
in the fu themselves in thefuture?
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah.
You really gotta take the, youknow, kind of the emotional set
points and, and really, um,really hammer down on those.
Cause you know, they always talkabout, we spend our early days
accumulating or accumulatingwealth at the expense of our
health.
And then we spend, I think thisis Warren Buffet who, who talks
(32:46):
us, I'm massively butcheringthis, but then he talks about in
our later years, then we spendall of our wealth, um, to make
up for our health, right?
So Oh yeah.
When we have, ideally in, inretirement, um, you know, we
want to be as again, able andcapable as we can to, to be able
to maybe create a, a new senseof purpose, create a new career
(33:09):
path, um, connect with with ourcommunity as, as most as we can.
And, you know, if, if, uh, wedon't have an able and capable
mind and body to do that, thenit's gonna be a, a difficult
path.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Well, I don't know about you, Lauren, but I can
tell you for sure Dr.
Jordan, if I was walking into adoctor's office and the doctor
actually said to me, um, youknow, what do you want to be
doing when you're 80?
And, and, and, you know,something like that versus, Hey,
what am I seeing you for today?
What are your symptoms?
What are your symptoms?
Um, you know, what, how, how doyou feel you're feeling bad.
(33:44):
How can I fix you?
Yeah.
Now, um, versus, you know,continue your health into the
future.
It would be so nice for somebodyto say, you know, what's your
goal?
Do you wanna live to be 90 andstill be going off ski jumps, or
do you want to, you know, itwould just be so refreshing to
hear it kind of placed in thatway versus, you know, somebody
just saying, we're just gonnaheal you, or even if we can heal
(34:06):
you today for this one issue,and then you're gonna move on
and, and we'll see you maybe inanother year when you're feeling
something else.
Right?
Yeah.
Like, it would be so refreshingto just know that kind of I
could control those goals alittle bit as much as I could,
right?
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And it go, comes back to, um,you know, when we were younger,
we always had something that wewere competing for, and that
made it a lot more motivated to,to see the goal and, you know,
kind of journey along to, uh, toachieve that.
So if we can use that in theframework of, of the game of
(34:40):
life, um, what is it that wewant to achieve later on, and
what are the things that we canbe doing to, to address that?
And again, it's just gonna be,I'm so optimistic for the future
with, with the accessibilitythat everyone is gonna be able
to have to, you know, runmarkers on their tests and a ver
or run biomarkers about theirhealth in a very accessible and
(35:05):
cost effective way.
Um, you know, there's, there'sso much low hanging fruit that
you can do now that you reallydidn't have a whole lot of
access to.
I know Lauren and I were theaura ring.
So every night we're trackingour sleep, such a big aspect.
And, um, yeah, just, uh, there'sso much free information out
there too that's, uh, that'sreally gonna impact things in a
(35:28):
positive way.
I mean, we have AI chat botsright now that can pass the bar
exam, you know,.
So there's, uh, there's a lot ofoptimism for what that's gonna
do with healthcare, and again,just creating more accessibility
through, through costeffectiveness and, and all of
that.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yeah.
And it is, it is a lot aboutresearch, you know, like, could
you refer, what was the bookthat, um, I recently read that
inspired you to start yourclinic?
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yeah, so that is called Lifespan.
It's all about why we age andwhy we don't have to, it's a
pretty bold title, but it bringsupon the fact that there's
really no genes or genetics thatare instructing ourselves that
we have to age.
It's really, again, a breakdownin a micro breakdown of these,
(36:18):
these cells that lose theircommunication over time and
become just less efficient, um,which leads to the development
of disease and dysfunction overtime.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, and so I would recommendthat book to our listeners.
Um, the, what was the name ofthe author?
Dr.
Jordan Do
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Davidson Sinclair.
He's, uh, he's the head genetic,uh, uh, the head of the genetics
lab at Harvard.
Really, really
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Good.
Yeah, it was a phenomenal book.
I even, I could read it,disclaimer, I did read it whilst
in a hyperbaric oxygen chamber.
So like, my brain was at likealert and I was like, it's the
best place to read legaldocuments or a, a medical book
is in, in a hyperbaric oxygenchamber.
But, um, I, what I liked in it,the book was like, you know,
even if you can't do like, um,cryogenics Yep, yep.
(37:09):
Um, you know, like you can walkoutside in a cold day in
Minnesota in your t-shirt andthe some of the same benefit,
the health benefits if you'reout there for like fif 10, even
five minutes, like the telomerescan be extended, right?
Which is, uh, one of those, um,ways to like that on the
cellular level that you canincrease your lifespan.
(37:30):
Can you just like, is that like,first of all, did I say that
correctly or could you kind ofmake, um, say that better and
expand on that, Jordan?
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Sure.
So he's identified the ninehallmarks of aging, and they're
all kind of thesecharacteristics of how the cell
is becoming dysfunctional.
Again, kind of from not only amicro level, but also a macro
level.
And, you know, what are someinterventions that we can do to
really target each individualframework in a really strategic
(38:00):
manner.
So that's not only what I'msuper interested in, in
clinically, but I'm also veryoptimistic for that to just
trickle down into the general,uh, public and just be common
knowledge about, you know, howwe go about our day, how we go
about our health.
And this kind of just summarizesthe whole conversation of what
(38:20):
are the kind of easy things thatI can do to maximize my quality
of life for as long as I can.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
I remember from the book that another one in
addition to like cold exposureis, and, and helping the
telomeres is having a, like atime where you, you do like a
fast of some type.
It could be like shortening thewindows during the day where you
eat.
So it's like you eat like sixhours a day and then you're off
(38:48):
the others, or, um, or like youtake one day a week, or maybe
it's like a few days out of a,or two days out of a month or
whatever it is for the person.
It's like really needs to bebased on like the nutritionist
and their doctors, like how theydo it.
But the benefits especiallyshown a lot of mice and maybe
rat studies, but like that it,it just shows that like, even,
(39:11):
like no matter, even if you eatjunk food, if you manage the
window of when you eat, that'sanother one of those markers,
those nine markers.
Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Yeah, it's certain to be kind of a new age
understanding of when we eatmight be more important than
what we eat.
Yeah.
But if you take a step back andjust think about, you know, the
innate intelligence of the body,kind of the entire, um, purpose
of fasting is that we give, um,we're, we're optimizing for
energy conservation becausewe're not receiving food and
(39:46):
receiving, you know, the energythat that food contains.
So your body has to go searchfor energy within it.
And what it's gonna do in a veryintelligent manner is recycle
those old and dysfunctionalcells that are starting to, uh,
to age inappropriately or justkind of behave inappropriately,
and it's gonna use those forenergy.
(40:06):
So of course, once you don'thave those anymore, once they're
recycled, then you're not gonnabe having the dysfunction that
they're, or the chaos thatthey're creating.
So, yeah.
Interesting.
Fasting is a, it's a great tool.
Of course, everybody wants totalk about the what, like, Hey,
just tell me what to do.
What's, what's this, what'sthat?
You know, cryotherapy,hyperbarics, all these really
(40:28):
cool things.
But really the art of that is,uh, again, matching it to the
interest level of the individualand kind of mapping out the
strategic plan that can not onlybe interesting, but also
sustainable, um, throughout that, uh, throughout their life.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Well, that's amazing.
I, I wanna ask you if there'sanything else you wanna share
with our listeners and or wouldyou share what your personal
goals are in your future, eitherfor your clinic at Statera
Health, or in your own world?
Like what do you want to offerand, and give this world with
(41:06):
your goals, Dr.
Jordan?
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Yeah.
Well, I'm super optimistic ifyou can't tell about where
personalized health is, isheading, um, and all the tools
and strategies that you can takeadvantage of out there to, to
really create health instead ofthis wait and see model of, you
know, and then hopping into themanagement, um, of disease.
So we're really big on, uh,measuring atara, getting really
(41:32):
a, a framework and a map ofwhere you currently are, and
again, pairing that to the goalsof where you want to go.
And, uh, we just have a lot offun in the process.
So that's kind of where I'm atin my own journey too, and just
learning more about myself and,um, and, and what I wanna
(41:52):
achieve.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Well, I think you're making a brighter, obviously,
healthier world, so thank youfor your time and for what
you're doing and for sharingwhat you're doing on the podcast
with us today.
I, um, do you wanna, yeah,
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Dr.
Jordan, uh, you know, Iappreciate for sure, you know,
you kind of breaking some ofthese, these things down for me.
I obviously don't have as muchof as of a medical background as
you and Lauren.
Oh, well, Lauren, you know theterms, and you can, you can
,
Speaker 1 (42:22):
But I don't even know how to say'em.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
, you know,
for, for me, it was just a, it
was a really interesting, youknow, engagement with you to be
able to discover these thingsthat I can do, um, even in my
regular day, you know, life and,and also learning about some of
these new concepts and thingsthat I should be looking for.
So I would recommend to anybodyout there that's listening, um,
(42:45):
and also for you to recommend togo go, you know, even if it's
not sta Satara Health, um, youknow, to go get these things
checked out and, and to reallylook into these types of things
and, you know, it's really gonnahelp us in the future, um, be
able to live a healthier, youknow, better life.
So, Dr.
Jordan, I appreciate the waythat you can break some of these
things down to people that arevery complicated subjects.
(43:07):
Um, but in speaking to you, Idon't feel like it's, it's
overwhelming, right?
You, you do a really good job ofbreaking it down and, and making
it achievable, um, andobtainable, which, which I
really do appreciate.
So thank you for that, doctor.
And, um, is there anything elseyou'd like to tell our guests
before we go?
And, um, like I said, weappreciate you being here and I
will always be looking to you inthe future for, uh, my future
(43:29):
health
Speaker 1 (43:30):
.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
Yeah, thanks so much, guys.
I guess the end touch point isthat, you know, the creation of
health and healthcare in generaldoes not need to be complicated.
You know, my goal is not to be awellness guru that needs to, you
know, that is trying to tell youto do all the things that you're
not.
It's, uh, really about to bringback the true meaning of doctor,
(43:52):
and that is teacher.
And, uh, our goal is really toremove these barriers and to
really educate yourself tobecome, you know, kind of your
own doctor in a sense and reallymaximize, uh, these, uh, these
characteristics that we talkedabout, that that lead to a, a
really, uh, fulfilling life.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Nice.
Well put.
I think, you know, it'simportant to be your own
advocate, you know, especiallyin a lot of these things, you
have to be the person that'skind of taking action, so I
appreciate that.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Well, Dr.
Jordan, tell our listeners wherethey can learn more about Satara
and anything else that you'reengaged with and want them to
learn about on online or onsocial media.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
So our social is Satara Health underscore Edina,
and then you can, so we post alot of updates there, um, a lot
of what we're doing, and thenour website, um, you can find
out a little bit moreinformation about the therapies
that we have and, uh, a littlebit more about some programs
that we do, um, at, ofsatara.com.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Awesome.
And we'll put all those links inthe episode notes.
Um, Dr.
Jordan, thank you so much forcoming on our first episode of
season three.
It's an absolute pre privilegeto have you, we would love to
have you back if you'd bewilling.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
Absolutely, absolutely.
Anytime.
Again, we, you need to recordsome of our regular combos and
just throw it into little clips.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
I know.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Well go check'em out.
Everybody, you won't, you know,I promise you, you will not
regret it.
And, uh, have a conversationwith Dr.
Jordan.
It'll help you.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
All right.
All right, peace.
Have a great day.
Thanks guys.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
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Hello everyone.
Hi Lauren.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Hi, Robert.
How are
Speaker 2 (00:31):
You doing?
Very well, thank you.
Welcome to this episode of We'reNot Blowing Hot Air today.
I am here, we are here with Dr.
Jordan Schultz.
Um, or Schultz, sorry, Jordan.
Um, I am very excited to haveyou guys here from Jordan today.
I was actually introduced toJordan, uh, by Lauren.
Um, so I'm gonna go ahead andhave Lauren introduce Jordan.
(00:52):
Uh, but we're excited to talk tohim today.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah, well thanks Robert.
It's great to have you here too.
Thank you.
Welcome to the podcast as Mike,new co-host.
Um, I'm really excited becauseDr.
Jordan, you are, uh, you have adegree in chiropractic with an
emphasis in functional medicine.
You have a wellness clinic inEdina, Minnesota, not too far
from where the opl headquartersis located, and it offers a, an
(01:17):
incredible malu of services atSt.
Satara.
Did I say that right?
Satara?
Yep.
Dr.
Jordan.
Yep.
Okay.
I'm sorry, Satara.
Um, it's a little early thismorning.
I'm gonna have my coffee with ustoday, but it, you offer
(01:37):
hyperbaric oxygen, l e d, lighttherapy, functional medicine,
biomarker lab test, andchiropractic wellness.
So a lot of things.
Um, I know that some of yourclients, so you can't obviously
reveal names.
You, you service professionalathletes that are local to
Minnesota of all kinds, as wellas people who are just
(01:58):
interested in wellness or, andor also maybe struggling with
some major health issues.
And so, um, without further ado,I, I just would love for you to
really have this opportunity totalk about the topic of lifespan
versus healthspan and what thatmeans with those terms or maybe
(02:19):
kind of new or nuanced at bestin today's world.
And so can you share with usmore about who you are in the
context of like, how you knowand understand lifespan and
healthspan?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, yeah, of course.
Thanks for having me, guys.
I'm so glad that this came tofruition.
Like said, our offices are soclose.
So it's been really cool to havethe conversations that we've
had.
You know, I think if we could,we could have easily recorded
them and been on like episodethree by now,
Um, they've been been just a, alot of joy with that.
But yeah.
(02:53):
Yeah.
Um, just a little bit ofbackground about myself.
Um, I'm just super passionate inthe field of, of, of
personalized health and wherehealthcare is going.
Um, I think it really gives, uh,individuals the accessibility to
just create health instead ofmanaged disease.
And that's something that I'vealways really been interested
again with, with where thetrajectory is heading.
(03:15):
So my background is inchiropractic.
Um, I graduated fromNorthwestern, um, chiropractic
with, uh, in 2019.
Um, early on in my journey, Iwas really exposed to functional
medicine and what that means asa definition.
We can kind of get into that alittle bit later.
But it's really about, um, thecreation of health again and,
(03:40):
and looking at things from thatperspective as opposed to kind
of the wait and see model ofmanaging disease and managing
symptoms.
Um, so thankfully, again, I wasable to be exposed to that
really on early on in mychiropractic journey and had a
bunch of really good mentors inthe space who, who kind of, uh,
really accelerated, um, the, theprocess and really shortened the
(04:04):
gap in, in what I wanted to dofollowing graduation.
Now, of course, we're probablyall familiar with biohacking
also.
Now there's all these differenttools and hacks and technologies
that you can do to, to reallysupport your body and, and its
innate intelligence.
And I thought, what a cool ideato bridge functional medicine
(04:24):
with some of these biohackingtools so that we can really
accelerate healing and, and seefaster and more efficient
outcomes.
So that kind of really led tothe creation of Satara Health.
Um, myself and my co-founder, Dr.
Jarin Faber, we actually livedtogether throughout chiropractic
school, so we had all this timeto really come, um, together
(04:45):
and, and create a really coolmodel, um, which is Terre Health
.
So that's how I, I came incontact with Lauren and it's
been just some really coolconversations ever since.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Awesome.
Thank you, Dr.
Jordan.
So I, I know one of the firsttopics that we talked about in
person and had a really longconversation about a really
interesting conversation, atopic I've never actually even
heard of, which was lifespanversus healthspan.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah.
I wanna, let's
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Get into that.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, people arestarting to live longer, right?
Um, just because of technology,science, the medical community,
people are starting to live alittle bit longer, but are
people really questioning thequality of that life as they get
older?
Yeah.
And I know that the medicalcommunity in the past has always
looked at, uh, the length ofsomebody's life as kind of the
(05:33):
measurement, right?
Versus the actual quality of thelife that they're having as
they're growing older.
So, Dr.
Jordan, can you describe to us,you know, what is lifespan
versus the actual definition ofhealthspan?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, absolutely.
And this is really the emergenceof Healthcare 2.0 as opposed to
this early age thinking or earlyday thinking of healthcare 1.0.
And this is, is largely theframework that I've taken from,
um, a mentor of mine who Ihaven't actually met, but I'm
sure your audience is reallyfamiliar with.
And that's Dr.
Peter Atia.
(06:06):
He really talks about this in areally elegant matter.
But if we think about healthspanand lifespan, the easiest way to
think about this is on a graph.
So Healthspan being on the yaxis, a little bit more about
the quality of life and lifespanon the X axis, pretty easy to
understand is the amount ofyears that you have.
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So the goal on this is tomaximize the amount of
healthspan for the amount ofyears that, that we are alive.
Um, lifespan is a little bitmore about delaying the onset of
chronic disease too.
So like you're talking about asnew emerging technologies come
about, you know, a lot of people, um, don't necessarily want to
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live longer, but they certainlywanna live better.
So that's really what we try tooptimize in our clinic and
really what we we're hoping to,uh, kinda jump on this, this new
bandwagon for Healthcare 2.0.
So when we think about
Speaker 1 (07:06):
No, Dr.
Jar.
Yeah, I was just gonna say, inmy experience with like talking
with people, especially likeolder people, they are, I've
heard it said that they don'twanna necessarily live long, uh,
because they just really wannafeel good when they're alive.
And, and so I think like when,when I first heard and start
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started knowing more about whatyour f what functional medicine
offers or personalized medicineand just a wellness model on top
of, and healthy living on top ofall the other services that like
medical medicine, traditionalWestern medicine offers.
And like, I started to see like,oh, you, you know, the message I
started in like resonating in myheart was like, you don't have
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to have one or the other now.
Like, even if you're in yourolder age, there's still a lot
of things you can do to havethat life's that health span on
top of the remaining lifespan.
You know?
And like, I just think like it,I think that's just an important
thing to like kinda understandlike whether we're young or old,
like true we can do things tomake our healthspan how we feel
(08:13):
better, kind of regardless ofthe lifespan that we have left.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent.
And I think when we think aboutthe characteristics of what
makes a good quality of life,you have to think about things
of, you know, freedom of painand movements, cognition and
brain health, your sense ofpurpose, um, your connection to
family, friends, and yourcommunity.
And lastly, your emotionaltolerance to stress.
(08:40):
Um, and I guess the generalconsensus, when you're thinking
about living longer, thosethings aren't really taken into
account, you know, cuz at theage of around 70 or 80, those
things dramatically start tofall off hand.
So who would want to, you know,extend lifespan at the expense
of not having some of thosecharacteristics?
So our entire, um, model or, youknow, again, the emergence of
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healthcare 2.0 is how can weshift that graph so we can
maximize, uh, healthspan lateron into our later years.
So we are doing things likecreating memories and
experiences with, with futuregenerations and doing what we
love later on in life.
That's really the goal of, of,you know, what I believe to be
(09:25):
true healthcare.
And, and I think what, what moreand more people are, are
starting to, um, be open to.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
And I think one of the important things that we
talked about yesterday, Jordan,that Lauren might not have heard
, um, when we were discussing,uh, kind of the calculation that
you were doing about as weprogress, you know, into the
future and technologies progressfor every year that technology
goes forward, um, us as humanbeings tend to live a certain
amount longer, right?
(09:54):
And that's just kind ofsomething saying, look guys, it,
it is true.
We're we are, just because we'repart of this modern, you know,
day, we're gonna live longer.
So we need to make sure that aswe live longer, we're able to,
you know, do activities with ourgrandkids, be able to pick up
these, you know, differentthings and be able to work out
and maybe ski and still do somethings as, as we're older.
(10:15):
Can you remind me of what thatkind of calculation was, Jordan?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Yeah.
So that's a quote or actually astat from David Sinclair.
They're just kind of likeforecasting based off of where
technology is heading in thefuture and all the things that
we're likely gonna have accessto in the context of more
preventative technologies,better, um, just better
understandings of our health andmore efficient treatments,
(10:41):
that's naturally just going toincrease the amount of lifespan
that we have.
And I think you and I did thecalculations, again, I'm not a
huge math guy, but if you areliving, or if you're expecting
to live about 50 years longer,every month that you stay alive,
you can add about an extra weekto your, the end of your life.
(11:02):
And I think we totaled that upover 50 years.
What was it?
Like 12 and a half years is whatthat comes to.
Yep, yep.
So significant, uh,
Yeah.
Yeah.
Pretty significant.
And
Speaker 1 (11:13):
That's, but again, just to kinda reiterate, if you
do what, well, how can you, howcan I get those extra weeks for
every month or the extra weekfor
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Every month?
That's just, that's just stayingalive with, with where the
trajectory of medical technologyand, and future advancements are
heading.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Okay.
So not necess importantnecessarily the the health part.
Just the life part, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
But I think naturally, uh, uh,as a byproduct of increasing
your health span, you know,doing things for your movement,
doing things for your brainhealth, your sense of purpose,
really tapping into these thingsas a byproduct, you're naturally
going to be, uh, you know,extending lifespan on top of
that too.
Sure.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Okay.
Okay.
I know that like, there's, um,there's like an age we have that
is our biological age, and thenthere's an age we have that's
like this internal biomarker.
Can you tell, tell me how doesthat play in to what you're
talking about right now and howare, how are functional medicine
doctors or other people inwellness using that measurement?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah, so that's such a, a great point.
I believe you just had yoursran, right?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I'm about to, I can't wait.
I'm gonna be like about to 15.
I'm scared to
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Speaker 1 (12:34):
No, that's the kinda thing that's this podcast is for
you, Robert.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah.
You're, that you're that oldperson.
I was talking about
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Well, that's one of those cool advances in, in
medicine and healthcare thatwe're talking about, and the
accessibility to test in thesebiomarkers that we can use to
get a better metric or gauge ofhow efficient we are aging.
And, uh, the biological age isa, is a really unique tool.
(13:02):
Um, it's, it's, you know, we'reall familiar with the
chronological age and how old weare, but some people, you know,
I have the liberty of, in aclinical practice, I can have a,
a 60 year old walk in and theycan look 20 years younger, or
they can look 20 years older
And so that's kind of where thisbiological age, this new marker
(13:24):
is really cool because it cansee the, the true biological age
of your cells versus the age youare.
So you can kind of use that as a, again, a a reference point to
understand, hey, are the thingsthat I'm doing in my life, um,
beneficial to that biologicalage, or am I actually set back?
And what can we do to, you know,shift that in the right
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direction.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
So what does the chronological age, how do, how
does it like compare?
Is it just the, how do theydetermine what would make that
the health of the chronologicalage so they're able to compare
it to the biological?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah.
So that's, it's kind of a wholeother conversation, but, uh,
there's this thing calledmethylation, and what it does is
it, uh, regulates thecommunication of the cells, or I
guess like the, the efficiencyof, of their communication and
when genes are turned on andwhen genes are turned off mm-hmm
.
Um, so they kind of use that asa, as a marker.
(14:28):
Currently it's, it's prettyexpensive to run, but I know
the, the guys behind the scenesare working to, uh, make this
super accessible.
So again, if there is one markerthat you can use to, you know,
say, Hey, what did this week offasting or what did this, you
know, protocol do for me?
You can really see a before andafter on, on how it shifts that
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biological age, which is gonnabe really, really cool.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Okay.
And like, but is there a goalset for like, okay, you need to
be like 25% younger than yourchronological age on your
biological marker?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Oh, that I am not familiar with.
I, I don't know.
I know there's a rate of agingand you want that to be below
one.
So for example, if you are, youknow, you want your biological
age to be less than the rates ofyour chronological age.
So every 365 days, which wouldbe a year, if you're, if you're
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biologically you're aging only300 days, you know you're gonna
have a positive, um, uh, kind oftrajectory on that.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Okay.
Yeah.
And I like the idea of the test,you know, even though it's scary
to me, I like the idea of itbecause I think a test like that
kind of gives you a kick in thepants that you need.
You know, if, if for me, forexample, you know, I just turned
40 this year.
So if I came into Dr.
Jordan and he told me that I'maging like a 65 year old, I
think that would give me a kickin the pants to really change
some, change some habits in mylife, which I think a lot of us
(15:57):
need, right?
That a lot of us that aren'tgoing to, um, to, you know, we
may be going to a, a clinicaldoctor or just our normal
physician and you know, like Dr.
Jordan and I talked about, youmay be going in and, and saying,
I have a cold, and they'll giveyou some medicine and you get
past the cold.
Versus actually kind of findingsome things in advance that I
could go ahead and change thatwould really help my healthspan
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and most likely my lifespan.
Um, so I think it's, it's a cooltest and a good idea for, for
anybody who kind of needs thatextra push to go out and make
some, some lifestyle changes.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah.
You know, the fear of bad newsis something that'll always be
present and, you know, Hey,should I get this, uh, this
health test ran performed on me.
But that's really thedifferentiator too, between
functional medicine andtraditional medicine.
Traditional medicine, right.
Um, some of my favorite patients, uh, on their, on a yearly
basis, I guess, you know, we, wedon't say that we have favorite
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patients, but in the idealpatient what's happening is
they're going to Mayo, they'regetting the executive physical,
which is running all these testsand lab procedures to rule out
different pathologies, right?
But if, if some of those testscome back normal and you still
have symptoms, that's reallywhere functional medicine and,
and kind of this whole frameworkof health healthcare 2.0 comes
(17:15):
into play.
Cause it's all about how can weoptimize, uh, your, your
wellbeing to, to be able to dothe things that you want to do
as later on as, or as late on asyou can in life.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yep.
For sure.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Well, that makes a lot of sense.
Thank you for explaining that.
Um, what are some of the thingswe can do to increase our health
span?
We've done the Mayo Clinicexecutive physical or wherever
we go, we've done all the testsin the traditional medical cuz
we're just, we're we're feelinga little off or majorly off.
(17:52):
And then we get to an a cliniclike yours.
What happens next?
What do you offer?
Like what are the things you cando or refer out to so we can do?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Well, I think the first and most important thing
is understanding the why behind.
Why do you want to be doingthese things?
Whether that's understandingyour sense of purpose, um,
understanding what you want todo later on in life and, uh, and
really training for the game oflife.
A lot of us, you know, early onin our, uh, adolescent sports
(18:23):
stays, it was all about, well,of course, like I'm in football
season, so I'm training for, youknow, exposition for, for this
season.
But in the game of life, whatyou're really training for is
how can I be the most badass andcapable, you know, 90 year old
or 100 year old?
And then what you do is justreverse engineer that by decade.
(18:44):
So you're saying, Hey, what arethe things that, you know, a 60
year old or a 70 year old needsto be doing?
And how can I be achieving thosethings so that way I can do the
things that I love?
And for me, this is skiing,golf, travel, and adventure with
my love and of course playingwith future generations.
So what are the things that Ineed to be doing right now that
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set me up on the path to, um,being able to do that when I'm
90
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Now j Dr.
Jordan, what about, and I knowI've asked you this in the past,
but you know, what about just,you know, somebody that doesn't
necessarily even come into theclinic.
Like, what can somebody like meon a regular basis do to really
help, you know, increase myhealth span, just even if
they're little things, littlechanges that I might be able to
incorporate in my life that willreally help?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Sure.
And this is all about the, theframework of kind of how we take
our clinics through or just the,the general thinking.
And again, once you define thatgoal, then you can create a
better framework.
Um, I guess clinically speaking,I can go off that.
Um, we really like to see, youknow, a lot of objective labs.
Of course we have their goals ofwhere they want to do, and then
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we pair that with a reallydetailed health intake so we can
get a really good idea of wherethe individual is and where they
want to go.
And then we, just to answer yourquestion, kind of go through
categorically, all right, whatare some things that we can do
to increase our brain health,you know, our gut health, our
sleep, our exercise andnutrition, all these different,
(20:16):
uh, categories and, and reallylike tactical approaches that,
that we can, um, help tooptimize.
And of course there's, there's amyriad of those things, right?
But it all comes down toindividually what suits you.
Um, and that is largely the artof what we do clinically.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
How about like a rapid fire question?
Like I'll say the condition andyou say one thing that I could
do either in the clinic or off.
All right?
Sure.
Like, um, okay, sleep better,
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Sleep better.
Uh, try to in or decrease thetemperature in your room.
There's a lot of differentstudies on temperature and how
that affects the onset of sleep.
So I always think about, allright, do you have tr do you
have trouble falling asleep orstaying asleep?
And if it does come down tofalling asleep, then typically
what you can do to, to, uh,really influence falling into
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sleep is, is plain withtemperature.
So whether that's a late nightsauna, a late warm bath, that
way you're elevating your bodytemperature.
And then maybe you can set the,the, uh, thermostat in your
bedroom to a little bit lower,and that way you're kinda
dipping into sleep, um, a littlebit faster.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Awesome.
I have a chili pad on my bed,which makes it cold.
There you go.
Like you go 60 degrees and thenit actually turns on heat.
You can program it to warm youas you wake.
Nice.
So it's like really smooth andsick.
Okay.
How about, um, what was the one,another ailment?
Um,
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Let's say, um, is there anything that you can do
for, uh, let's say like chronicheadaches, Jordan?
Nice.
Like maybe migraines, chronicheadaches, um, you know, maybe
even like stress, headaches,things of that nature.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Sure.
Um, little like multifactorialwith that one.
Let's go next one.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
You skipping that one?
Yeah, we'll see on theheadaches.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah.
Fair enough.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Um, well, I mean, what I do, I think the stress
thing is what you said.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah.
Stress for sure.
So,
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Okay.
For me it's like exercise,walking, like something physical
like that.
Like really automatically likedrops my cortisol, like lowers
like my, my homocystine.
Am I using right words?
Dr.
Jordan, does that work?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, it just calms me.
Right.
And then, then I like, but I putsome physical exertion, like
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rowing and I kind of do to helplower my stress sometimes.
Yeah.
Um, or walk my dog.
How about you?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Uh, for me it's, it's really kind of, you know, it's
interesting.
It's, it's sitting down and, andplaying with my daughter and
kind of just, you know, havingthat, that kind of innocence
and, and way that she looks atthe world just kind of calms me
down a little bit.
That's awesome.
Um, so maybe even just somethinglike that
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Family community that goes back to what you were
saying earlier.
All right.
Um, how about, how about like,you know, I'm just like, um,
just I don't really love likeeating all the time.
Like I don't, like, I don't havelike enough enjoyment with my
food.
Is that a thing people come intoever with?
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Uh, yeah.
Yeah, A little bit.
That's, it's more on the, likethe emotionality side of things.
We actually work with apsychologist and, and pass'em
along to, you know, really workon their mindset or emotional
stress tolerance.
Cause that largely plays into,you know, the whole goal of
increasing, um, just a lot.
I mean, that ties intoeverything.
(23:40):
You know, it allows theindividual to give, get hope,
um, kind of get out of their,their head, kind of change up
the stories that they're tellingtheirselves or some of the
strategies that they've beendoing that just haven't been
successful.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
So, Dr.
Jordan, I think, you know, a lotof this is leading and, and I'm
sure as, as guests, you guys arewondering too, you know, I've
asked you this in the past, um,and I'm sure it's objective as
well, but what is moreimportant, do you think, um, in
your opinion?
Is it longevity, longevity oflife or lifespan?
Or is it healthspan, which is,you know, of course what we
(24:16):
talked about, quality of life.
I think, you know, for me, themore important part would be to
spend really good years with thepeople I love.
Mm-hmm.
person that has to get movedaround by people and, you know,
can't really communicate, can'treally do things.
Yeah.
I think for me it would bereally important to just have
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those really good years with thepeople I love and, and be able
to perform my best.
Um, but you know, some otherpeople, like we talked about
yesterday, Jordan, that, uh, youknow, a lot of the older
generations would say, my goalis to live to a hundred.
But there's nothing mentioned inthere about being a hundred and
being well, you know,
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Right.
Like, so first of all, I wonderlike etymology, where has that,
where's the bifurcation of thishappened?
Like in thinking about aging andlike how we have kind of
accepted that we, when we growold, we get sick, right?
Like, where is that, where didthat mindset first creep into
our world?
And then like, really where inthis more modern era of
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healthcare 2.0 has like this newidea of like being able to live
longer and healthier kind oftook rote.
And then also like, whatseparates, like in the clients
that you work with, what, whatdo you see as like, kind of, is
there one or two like predominating factors that kind of
separate the crowd?
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah.
Well, to answer your questionfirst, Robert, it's really a
delicate balance and delicatedance between the two with
Healthspan and lifespan.
And that's really the art andthe science of it too, right?
Because, you know, of course youhear all of these different
wellness gurus talking about,you know, the 20 different
things that you need to be doingbefore 10:00 AM to live the most
(26:01):
optimal life.
Well, obviously, you know, notonly is that sustainable, but
it's probably more stressful.
So
Goal of this is to kind of meet,you, meet the patient's interest
with also, you know, theirgoals.
So we can create a really, apersonalized strategy towards
what it does look like to liveto 90 and being the most capable
(26:24):
you can, um, with, with, uh, thecontext of mind and body.
Mm-hmm.
this, A healthy person wants,you know, 10,000 things, but a
sick person just wants one.
So I think that really speaks tothe health span side of things.
And again, just being as capableas you can later in life to
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create those rich memories andexperiences that really make
life what it's,
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah.
That's a, that's a hard hittingthing I've never heard before.
You know, that a healthy personwants a thousand things, but you
know, the, the sick person justwants to feel, well, you know,
I've never even actually thoughtabout it that way, but that's an
interesting take
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Or to stay sick.
Yeah.
Is it inferred that it's to behealthy, the sick person
Speaker 3 (27:10):
To get better?
Yeah, it is.
I'm, have you ever thoughtabout, you know, the last time,
the last time you were sick onthe couch, you're like, oh, I
just want, just wanna feelbetter.
I just wanna get back to mydaily routine,
Speaker 1 (27:20):
I guess.
But that's because I'm like, Itry to be more lean into the
healthy realm, you know, like, Ido think there are people who
are so sick and they don't knowthat they don't need to be, that
there's actually like optionsout there to like work through
that all Yeah.
And get better.
True.
And so, I don't know, but okay.
So then can you answer myquestions too?
I'll just remind you, it waskind of about the historical,
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like where did this come from?
This like aging and the, theacceptance that when we grow old
we may not feel well.
And then contrary, like thisnewer healthcare 2.0 kind of
modality, what happened indiscovery and in science to kind
of bring us here?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Well, I think a critical part of thinking about
this is how do we prolong thediseases that were likely to die
from, and that beingcardiovascular disease,
neurodegenerative disease,cancer.
And then of course you got awhole list of other things like
accidental death and chronicdisease and so forth.
But if we think about those, um,that's where we can really get
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into, um, clinically the, youknow, the personalized model and
the biochemistry and all thesedifferent, uh, chemical makeups
that, um, we can kind of assessand see where you are from, uh,
from a, from a lab perspectiveand from an objective
perspective.
You know, are you heading downthis way?
And that's really where, youknow, the early detection and,
(28:43):
and just getting comprehensivelabs has really been, um, a big,
I guess, uh, early, how do I saythis?
It's been, it's been a way to,uh, intervene more efficiently
kind of earlier on in life.
And again Sure.
So instead of this wait and seemodel, we're able to identify
these things earlier on and, uh,and address'em at the source.
(29:07):
Again, not waiting for symptomsto arrive, but just seeing that
we're maybe not hitting downthis, this right path and, and
how can we intervene
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Gives you a little bit of a chance to be proactive,
huh?
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Probably the best way tosummarize that.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, for, for me,uh, one of the questions that
I've had kind of outstanding iswhat to you, Dr.
Jordan is the best age to kindof start something like this.
Because for me now at 40, I'mjust kind of learning about
these things.
And it was just from speaking toyou that, you know, we had the
ability to do all of thesethings, um, before I thought of
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it as something that just likesomebody like Bill Gates does,
right?
Or, or somebody like Jeff Bezoswho can, you know, go and do
hyperbaric oxygen mm-hmm.
hyperbaric chamber.
And
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah.
Tiger Woods has one in his home,right?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yeah.
So I mean, like, things likethat, you know, that are kind of
out of the realm for me, uh, tobe able to do what is like, kind
of the optimum age to startlooking at these types of
things.
Is it when you're in your teens?
Is it when you're in yourtwenties, um, is it, you know,
if you started when you were 10,is it too early to be able to
tell anything?
Like what's the ideal time tostart looking into these things?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yeah.
Well, I think it all comes downto just your kind of your
relationship with that, withthat goal and what that looks
like.
And it, it is always changing,right?
But I mean, as early aspossible, we all have these kind
of benchmarks and milestonesthat we look to achieve and, and
how do we get there in the mostoptimal and efficient way?
(30:37):
Um, but yeah, I guess as, asearly on as, as as you can,
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Sure.
So is the theoretical goal topick like how long you wanna
live and then kind of in ageneric way?
Or is it more like, I wanna bedoing something while I'm older?
Like, which, which is more oflike a successful goal in your
opinion?
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Probably the second one.
Cause again, once, once wefigure out what it is you wanna
be doing, um, then we can kindof, uh, use that.
I think right now, so theaverage life exp expectancy for
a female, um, outweighs males.
I think it's like 82 and a halfyears.
And Robert, you and I are around80 or 79, something like that.
(31:19):
We're catching up.
We are, we are, yep.
But, uh, so if we add on those12 extra years that, you know,
we might be able to get with alittle bit of assistance from
technology as, uh, you know,kinda around 90.
So what do we wanna be doingaround 90?
And then again, just kind ofreverse engineer from there.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Hmm.
Okay.
So it really is important thenthat we look at like the, what
we enjoy, our passions, what,like, it kind of starts with,
it's interesting that I didn'treally, I didn't expect that to
be where you would lead a clientto go first.
(32:01):
You know, like it's, it's verylike, it's deep, it's spiritual,
it's emotional, you know, like,it, it might even be like the
physical might have even been abarrier for a person to have
those things in their lives inthe past.
So like, how do they, how doyou, like, do you see most
people get to that place of, ofenvisioning that life for them
(32:22):
in the fu themselves in thefuture?
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah.
You really gotta take the, youknow, kind of the emotional set
points and, and really, um,really hammer down on those.
Cause you know, they always talkabout, we spend our early days
accumulating or accumulatingwealth at the expense of our
health.
And then we spend, I think thisis Warren Buffet who, who talks
(32:46):
us, I'm massively butcheringthis, but then he talks about in
our later years, then we spendall of our wealth, um, to make
up for our health, right?
So Oh yeah.
When we have, ideally in, inretirement, um, you know, we
want to be as again, able andcapable as we can to, to be able
to maybe create a, a new senseof purpose, create a new career
(33:09):
path, um, connect with with ourcommunity as, as most as we can.
And, you know, if, if, uh, wedon't have an able and capable
mind and body to do that, thenit's gonna be a, a difficult
path.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Well, I don't know about you, Lauren, but I can
tell you for sure Dr.
Jordan, if I was walking into adoctor's office and the doctor
actually said to me, um, youknow, what do you want to be
doing when you're 80
And, and, and, you know,something like that versus, Hey,
what am I seeing you for today?
What are your symptoms?
What are your symptoms?
Um, you know, what, how, how doyou feel you're feeling bad.
(33:44):
How can I fix you?
Yeah.
Now, um, versus, you know,continue your health into the
future.
It would be so nice for somebodyto say, you know, what's your
goal?
Do you wanna live to be 90 andstill be going off ski jumps, or
do you want to, you know, itwould just be so refreshing to
hear it kind of placed in thatway versus, you know, somebody
just saying, we're just gonnaheal you, or even if we can heal
(34:06):
you today for this one issue,and then you're gonna move on
and, and we'll see you maybe inanother year when you're feeling
something else.
Right?
Yeah.
Like, it would be so refreshingto just know that kind of I
could control those goals alittle bit as much as I could,
right?
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And it go, comes back to, um,you know, when we were younger,
we always had something that wewere competing for, and that
made it a lot more motivated to,to see the goal and, you know,
kind of journey along to, uh, toachieve that.
So if we can use that in theframework of, of the game of
(34:40):
life, um, what is it that wewant to achieve later on, and
what are the things that we canbe doing to, to address that?
And again, it's just gonna be,I'm so optimistic for the future
with, with the accessibilitythat everyone is gonna be able
to have to, you know, runmarkers on their tests and a ver
or run biomarkers about theirhealth in a very accessible and
(35:05):
cost effective way.
Um, you know, there's, there'sso much low hanging fruit that
you can do now that you reallydidn't have a whole lot of
access to.
I know Lauren and I were theaura ring.
So every night we're trackingour sleep, such a big aspect.
And, um, yeah, just, uh, there'sso much free information out
there too that's, uh, that'sreally gonna impact things in a
(35:28):
positive way.
I mean, we have AI chat botsright now that can pass the bar
exam, you know,
So there's, uh, there's a lot ofoptimism for what that's gonna
do with healthcare, and again,just creating more accessibility
through, through costeffectiveness and, and all of
that.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yeah.
And it is, it is a lot aboutresearch, you know, like, could
you refer, what was the bookthat, um, I recently read that
inspired you to start yourclinic?
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yeah, so that is called Lifespan.
It's all about why we age andwhy we don't have to, it's a
pretty bold title, but it bringsupon the fact that there's
really no genes or genetics thatare instructing ourselves that
we have to age.
It's really, again, a breakdownin a micro breakdown of these,
(36:18):
these cells that lose theircommunication over time and
become just less efficient, um,which leads to the development
of disease and dysfunction overtime.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, and so I would recommendthat book to our listeners.
Um, the, what was the name ofthe author?
Dr.
Jordan Do
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Davidson Sinclair.
He's, uh, he's the head genetic,uh, uh, the head of the genetics
lab at Harvard.
Really, really
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Good.
Yeah, it was a phenomenal book.
I even, I could read it,disclaimer, I did read it whilst
in a hyperbaric oxygen chamber
So like, my brain was at likealert and I was like, it's the
best place to read legaldocuments or a, a medical book
is in, in a hyperbaric oxygenchamber.
But, um, I, what I liked in it,the book was like, you know,
even if you can't do like, um,cryogenics Yep, yep.
(37:09):
Um, you know, like you can walkoutside in a cold day in
Minnesota in your t-shirt andthe some of the same benefit,
the health benefits if you'reout there for like fif 10, even
five minutes, like the telomerescan be extended, right?
Which is, uh, one of those, um,ways to like that on the
cellular level that you canincrease your lifespan.
(37:30):
Can you just like, is that like,first of all, did I say that
correctly or could you kind ofmake, um, say that better and
expand on that, Jordan?
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Sure.
So he's identified the ninehallmarks of aging, and they're
all kind of thesecharacteristics of how the cell
is becoming dysfunctional.
Again, kind of from not only amicro level, but also a macro
level.
And, you know, what are someinterventions that we can do to
really target each individualframework in a really strategic
(38:00):
manner.
So that's not only what I'msuper interested in, in
clinically, but I'm also veryoptimistic for that to just
trickle down into the general,uh, public and just be common
knowledge about, you know, howwe go about our day, how we go
about our health.
And this kind of just summarizesthe whole conversation of what
(38:20):
are the kind of easy things thatI can do to maximize my quality
of life for as long as I can.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
I remember from the book that another one in
addition to like cold exposureis, and, and helping the
telomeres is having a, like atime where you, you do like a
fast of some type.
It could be like shortening thewindows during the day where you
eat.
So it's like you eat like sixhours a day and then you're off
(38:48):
the others, or, um, or like youtake one day a week, or maybe
it's like a few days out of a,or two days out of a month or
whatever it is for the person.
It's like really needs to bebased on like the nutritionist
and their doctors, like how theydo it.
But the benefits especiallyshown a lot of mice and maybe
rat studies, but like that it,it just shows that like, even,
(39:11):
like no matter, even if you eatjunk food, if you manage the
window of when you eat, that'sanother one of those markers,
those nine markers.
Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Yeah, it's certain to be kind of a new age
understanding of when we eatmight be more important than
what we eat.
Yeah.
But if you take a step back andjust think about, you know, the
innate intelligence of the body,kind of the entire, um, purpose
of fasting is that we give, um,we're, we're optimizing for
energy conservation becausewe're not receiving food and
(39:46):
receiving, you know, the energythat that food contains.
So your body has to go searchfor energy within it.
And what it's gonna do in a veryintelligent manner is recycle
those old and dysfunctionalcells that are starting to, uh,
to age inappropriately or justkind of behave inappropriately,
and it's gonna use those forenergy.
(40:06):
So of course, once you don'thave those anymore, once they're
recycled, then you're not gonnabe having the dysfunction that
they're, or the chaos thatthey're creating.
So, yeah.
Interesting.
Fasting is a, it's a great tool.
Of course, everybody wants totalk about the what, like, Hey,
just tell me what to do.
What's, what's this, what'sthat?
You know, cryotherapy,hyperbarics, all these really
(40:28):
cool things.
But really the art of that is,uh, again, matching it to the
interest level of the individualand kind of mapping out the
strategic plan that can not onlybe interesting, but also
sustainable, um, throughout that, uh, throughout their life.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Well, that's amazing.
I, I wanna ask you if there'sanything else you wanna share
with our listeners and or wouldyou share what your personal
goals are in your future, eitherfor your clinic at Statera
Health, or in your own world?
Like what do you want to offerand, and give this world with
(41:06):
your goals, Dr.
Jordan?
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Yeah.
Well, I'm super optimistic ifyou can't tell about where
personalized health is, isheading, um, and all the tools
and strategies that you can takeadvantage of out there to, to
really create health instead ofthis wait and see model of, you
know, and then hopping into themanagement, um, of disease.
So we're really big on, uh,measuring atara, getting really
(41:32):
a, a framework and a map ofwhere you currently are, and
again, pairing that to the goalsof where you want to go.
And, uh, we just have a lot offun in the process.
So that's kind of where I'm atin my own journey too, and just
learning more about myself and,um, and, and what I wanna
(41:52):
achieve.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Well, I think you're making a brighter, obviously,
healthier world, so thank youfor your time and for what
you're doing and for sharingwhat you're doing on the podcast
with us today.
I, um, do you wanna, yeah,
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Dr.
Jordan, uh, you know, Iappreciate for sure, you know,
you kind of breaking some ofthese, these things down for me.
I obviously don't have as muchof as of a medical background as
you and Lauren.
Oh, well, Lauren, you know theterms, and you can, you can
Speaker 1 (42:22):
But I don't even know how to say'em.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
was a really interesting, youknow, engagement with you to be
able to discover these thingsthat I can do, um, even in my
regular day, you know, life and,and also learning about some of
these new concepts and thingsthat I should be looking for.
So I would recommend to anybodyout there that's listening, um,
(42:45):
and also for you to recommend togo go, you know, even if it's
not sta Satara Health, um, youknow, to go get these things
checked out and, and to reallylook into these types of things
and, you know, it's really gonnahelp us in the future, um, be
able to live a healthier, youknow, better life.
So, Dr.
Jordan, I appreciate the waythat you can break some of these
things down to people that arevery complicated subjects.
(43:07):
Um, but in speaking to you, Idon't feel like it's, it's
overwhelming, right?
You, you do a really good job ofbreaking it down and, and making
it achievable, um, andobtainable, which, which I
really do appreciate.
So thank you for that, doctor.
And, um, is there anything elseyou'd like to tell our guests
before we go?
And, um, like I said, weappreciate you being here and I
will always be looking to you inthe future for, uh, my future
(43:29):
health
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Speaker 3 (43:31):
Yeah, thanks so much, guys.
I guess the end touch point isthat, you know, the creation of
health and healthcare in generaldoes not need to be complicated.
You know, my goal is not to be awellness guru that needs to, you
know, that is trying to tell youto do all the things that you're
not.
It's, uh, really about to bringback the true meaning of doctor,
(43:52):
and that is teacher.
And, uh, our goal is really toremove these barriers and to
really educate yourself tobecome, you know, kind of your
own doctor in a sense and reallymaximize, uh, these, uh, these
characteristics that we talkedabout, that that lead to a, a
really, uh, fulfilling life.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Nice.
Well put.
I think, you know, it'simportant to be your own
advocate, you know, especiallyin a lot of these things, you
have to be the person that'skind of taking action, so I
appreciate that.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Well, Dr.
Jordan, tell our listeners wherethey can learn more about Satara
and anything else that you'reengaged with and want them to
learn about on online or onsocial media.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
So our social is Satara Health underscore Edina,
and then you can, so we post alot of updates there, um, a lot
of what we're doing, and thenour website, um, you can find
out a little bit moreinformation about the therapies
that we have and, uh, a littlebit more about some programs
that we do, um, at, ofsatara.com.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Awesome.
And we'll put all those links inthe episode notes.
Um, Dr.
Jordan, thank you so much forcoming on our first episode of
season three.
It's an absolute pre privilegeto have you, we would love to
have you back if you'd bewilling.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
Absolutely, absolutely.
Anytime.
Again, we, you need to recordsome of our regular combos and
just throw it into little clips.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
I know.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Well go check'em out.
Everybody, you won't, you know,I promise you, you will not
regret it.
And, uh, have a conversationwith Dr.
Jordan.
It'll help you.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
All right.
All right, peace.
Have a great day.
Thanks guys.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
Thank you guys.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
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