Episode 143 RONI YURONG (Owner of ERS)

This reunion conversation with Roni—who appeared on the second-ever episode of Above The Bridge nearly five years ago—dives deep into life's most fundamental questions while remaining refreshingly practical.

The longtime friends explore how decision-making shapes everything from athletic success to business ventures to parenting. Roni shares wisdom gained from watching his son pursue professional soccer through Houston Dynamo's academy program, while Thaddeus reflects on supporting his daughter's volleyball journey. Both agree that parents can't expect their children to become champions unless they demonstrate championship qualities themselves.

Their discussion challenges conventional thinking at every turn. Ronnie suggests that positivity isn't something to strive for but rather an authentic expression of one's true self. He proposes that goals aren't rewards but merely directions—the real value lies in the journey itself. Perhaps most mind-expanding is their exploration of time as merely a man-made construct, with Ronnie describing existence as "the eternal moment" where everything happens simultaneously.

The conversation also touches on personal transformation, with Thaddeus acknowledging Roni remarkable journey from his self-described "loser" phase to becoming a successful business owner and dedicated father. Throughout, their friendship shines through as they reflect on raising children, building businesses, and navigating life's complexities with authenticity and purpose.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 2 (00:08):
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Aloha, okay, this week my guestis somebody I had on my second

(02:20):
all-time episode ever when Ifirst started and I always said
I wanted to have him back on,and he's one of my closest
friends.
He owns Environmental RoofingSolutions.
He also was one of the foundingmembers of the boy band group
BBC Hobo House on the HillRecords and, of course, artist

(02:44):
Groove Network C Hobo House onthe Hill Records and, of course,
artist Groove Network, andeverybody knows him as Ronnie
and I know him as my brother.
What's up, ronnie?
What's up Ted Bruh?
Did you know that you were mysecond guest on my show?

Speaker 1 (03:02):
and I've been doing it for almost five years.
Yeah, I remember you telling meit was so quick.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Five years went by so fast.
Yep, this is gonna be the 141stor 42nd episode that that's how
fast we're getting older.
Oh yeah, bro, we are definitelynot spring chickens anymore.
Do you feel your age or no?

Speaker 1 (03:23):
it was kind of funny.
I was reading, you know, lanai,yeah, he posted.
He posted something and I waslaughing it.
It said I'm at the age whereI'm old.
I'm young to the old people,the older people, and I'm old to
the younger people okay, thatmakes sense.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
We look younger than what we really are and I think I
know for me, my, my age was asensitive topic, because I
always want to be young and I'm,I'm always trying to, I act
like little kids still.
Yeah, you know, I mean like, somy, my um appearance is, or was

(04:04):
it more important that I lookyoung?
But as I'm getting older, Ikind of don't care and I kind of
embrace it more and Idefinitely feel more healthier
and more alive than I did when Iwas younger, if that makes
sense yeah, you know, it's funny.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
I always, I always, all you always watch, you're
gonna remember this.
Now everybody uses this, thisum terminology, so loosely and
it's, it's, it's, it's hilarious, um, you know, for the first
time in history, or, or there'sa, there's the latest fight,

(04:46):
it's the baddest fight inhistory, and they've been saying
that when Sugar Ray Leonard onefight um Hearns or whatever,
yeah, and it's like, like, so we, you know, at this age, I, I
even say that like, oh, yeah, Ifeel healthier than ever.
But it's like, really, when Iwas 20, I'm sure I said the same

(05:08):
thing and I felt healthier thanever.
Yeah, was that recency bias, Iguess, I mean and it's, and the
reason why we do that is becausewe live in the now, yeah, now.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
So everything is happening right now or you know
like, or you're denying the factthat your best years is behind
us and you say I'm thehealthiest I've ever been,
because in reality, thehealthiest I've ever been was
when I was training andcompeting.
But yeah, like as of like,maybe like the last 15, 16 years

(05:42):
, I've been taking my health alot more serious.
I did the spartan race, whichwas a bucket list thing for me,
which almost killed me, but Imade it through.
But because of that itmotivated me to get in better
shape, do more for my body andhealth, and I was talking to you
and frank today about changingup my diet and I I want to look

(06:04):
a little better for when I getmarried.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Can you hear it?
Can you hear my littleFrenchies right there?

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Oh yeah, I didn't know you had two of them.
I got two now.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, but yeah, you know good, that's good that you
what made you want to changeyour diet good that, that's good
that you what?

Speaker 2 (06:27):
what made you want to change your diet?
I wanted to change my diet,honestly, because I felt like I
was getting in a point of mylife where I was using food and
bad habits like sugar and sweetsand that kind of stuff as a um,
like a crutch, like I'm tryingto not drink as much and stuff

(06:48):
like that.
But then I find myself eatingmore candies and because I have
a daughter, she brings home alot of snacks and brah I've been
just pounding, and then sugar.
Then, like the older I get,like the more sweets and junk
food I eat, the more it affectsme the next day, like my hands

(07:09):
are swollen or like my facelooks puffy and I'm like, well,
if the food that I'm eating ismaking my me feel and look that
way, then I gotta change it up.
You know, I mean like I know itworks for you, because seeing
you after you dieted a few times, like it, is you not like that

(07:30):
you were in bad shape oranything, but your, your
complexion and your, yourstature kind of changed a little
bit you know it was, it wasinteresting.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Um, I would, uh, I would.
I would always eat at Alohasalads, right, and you know you
thinking that fish was betterfor you, or vegetables Everybody
thinks vegetables, yeah, andnever changed.
I will always wait about.
You know, I'll stay in between.

(07:59):
I always go between 150 and 158.
Never got to 160.
But I was always in betweenthat and no matter what I did, I
would stay in that 150.
And I just changed to eatingwhat I eat.
Now I'm in high school weightlike 137, 138 pounds, oh, wow.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
But see, you don't look like you've lost weight,
you don't look all frail andstuff you look stronger.
You look stronger.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
It was funny because when I went to do an estimate
the other day, the lady came onand she was like oh, you must
really work out.
And I said not really.
And she said I do some push-ups, I do push-ups and stuff, but
that's about it.
I don't really work out, but Ido do push-ups and I have um

(08:55):
weird this is weird I havedumbbells in my bathroom and
whenever I go to the bathroom Ido like 20, 25, I do 20, and
then when I go back in again,even if I'm going to brush my
teeth, I do 20.
So whenever I go into thebathroom there's always 20.
Hold on, I got to turn off theoven, hold on, no worries.

(09:20):
But yeah, I have dumbbells in mybathroom.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
So if you take a long dump, that's like a good
workout for you then 20, 20,.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
I got 20.
20 reps it's always 20.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Okay, that's something, bro, and, like I said
, I wanted to change some stuffup.
And seeing you and talking tofrank and actually was praying
about it and I was explainingthis to frank today, I I was
asking god to help me, um, putinto perspective how, what

(09:56):
changes I need to do.
And for multiple spots in thelast couple months, that
carnivore diet kept popping upand I realized like, okay, maybe
this is god trying to steer mein that direction and I gotta
kind of listen to listen to thesigns that okay, maybe this is

(10:18):
something I should try.
And the last one, I was in thesauna and one of the guys he was
all shredded and he startedtalking to me about his
carnivore diet and I'm like,okay, well, I think maybe I
should try it and I talked toyou and Frankie about it.
I started it maybe like acouple of days.
I already dropped three pounds,but I feel different already

(10:41):
and it's only been like three,four days and I don't know.
Maybe you guys are on tosomething, but you definitely
got got in my head about um,trying it out well, I did it.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
I did it mainly for this reason.
Um, I was, I was a gymnast whenI was young and I did.
I used to like run on theconcrete, do like a front, flip,
step out out, round off backand spring back and spring back,
layout on the road like nothingall the time, and but it caught
up to me, oh yeah.

(11:14):
So I could feel as I got older,I felt the.
I felt like I was.
I got arthritis and arthritisis inflammation.
I felt like I got arthritis andarthritis is inflammation.
And I also have the worstallergies you could ever imagine
.
Like I never, ever knew what itwas to breathe through both of

(11:34):
my nose.
It just I always, I'm alwaysstuffy, I'm always puffy, I died
and it's all inflammation.
So I did it because myarthritis is getting really bad
and I was starting to getpsoriasis believe it or not, and
the skin stuff, yes.
And then when I went to see um,you know, doctors and stuff,

(11:54):
they prescribed me things and Idon't know.
I just didn't feel that trimfire.
I just knew something was wrongwith it and I I said, nope, I'm
not going to do it.
And then I heard about peoplehaving arthritis and psoriasis,
and they did the carnivore.
So I tried it for myself andgone, vanished.

(12:16):
Zero arthritis, zeroinflammation.
I can breathe through my nose.
I don't have any allergies.
Stuffy eyes, adult acneeverything just gone, gone, gone
.
I'm down to my high schoolweight.
Um, way more energy.
I.
I really do believe that the,the sauna, um, is also

(12:39):
phenomenal.
Yeah, like my veins, like myveins is like crazy.
Seriously, I'm like it's kindof scary sometimes, but I mean,
I think the sauna is phenomenalfor your cardiovascular.
I don't think I actuallythere's a study on it that said
it's up to 52% less chance ofgetting a heart attack and a

(13:01):
stroke.
Yeah, and so I decided to dothat.
But my skin got super good my,my, my art, my arteries.
So this is what's funny.
My doctor actually said oh, run, you look, you look good, but
you can probably die.
That's exactly what I said.
Why?
Why?

(13:22):
Because you're only eating meat.
So he sent me to a specialistto go.
You have to sit inside and scanyour heart and your veins, I
guess, for plaque.
Yeah, yeah, whatever.
And so I did it.
You got to go in that big x-raything and I went back to see
him and he said I just asked,asked him so what did you guys

(13:45):
find?
And he says it quietly, likeyour heart is better than most
people and I was like, and what?
and what and he's like, and Itold him I said no, all the
stuff he was prescribing menever worked.
I went no, I don't have nopsoriasis, no arthritis.

(14:05):
And he told me that's weird.
And I said why?
Because you can't prescribe medrugs he's right, bro.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
I mean, back in the day nobody had drugs, but then
nobody had all these stupid assailments that plague society now
, because all the preservativesand all the crap we eat, it's
all what we eat.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
period, that's it, um , but, but then, but then again
I have to be careful as I'mgetting older, um to say that
everybody's different.
Yeah, everybody is different.
And um, you gotta, you gotta,you gotta try it for yourself.
Um, different things and yousee what your body like, for

(14:52):
instance.
So I went I mean, people freakout like, really, ronnie, you,
you only eat meat.
I'm like, yep, what'd you eatfor breakfast?
I said I don't eat breakfast.
Um, but if I eat, I eat meat,and uh, and even when I go to
order food, it's so funnybecause people get so I mean,
it's so simple, and I just getso thrown off.
I go to the steak place and Isay I'll just get steak.

(15:15):
Oh, what about rice orvegetables?
Oh, no, just give me the steak.
Oh, we don't sell it that way.
Just like, uh, just charge methe price for the for the plate
then, but just give me the spoke.
You know, they don't even knowhow to adjust.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
I'm like, wow, I know I'm sorry, really we can give
you.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
we can give you more're going to give you more
steak.
Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
But yeah, just from your example motivated me to try
it out.
And, bro, I'm getting marriedin a few months and I want to
look my best and feel my bestwhen that happens.
I was just thinking about whenyou got married and that was one
of the the best weddings I'veever been to, bar none.

(16:13):
It was so cool it was.
It was just what you and yourwife, me, peter, your brother
lawrence and the pastor rightwas there, britney, I don't
think Lawrence was there.
Brittany.
No, lawrence was there too, Ithink.
Yes, he got.
He had to have been there,cause we need dinner with him
after oh was he yeah?

(16:34):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
You know it was.
It was um, probably because itwas absolutely not planned.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, not planned.
Yeah, it was a free uh, freeflowing, yeah it was.
It was pretty awesome.
But to me, what I loved aboutit the most, it wasn't about the
and because I'm planning, or mywife my wife to be is planning
this big freaking thing.
I appreciated the fact thatyour wedding was about you and
Shan.
It was about the love that youguys shared for each other.
It wasn't about putting that onfor display.

(17:14):
It was about the moment thatyou guys proclaim your love for
each other, for the rest of yourguys life in front of like us
and whoever, whoever our littlegroup was.
But it wasn't about that.
It was about you and her andthat moment, and for me, that's
what a wedding is about.

(17:36):
That's what marriage isn'tabout.
And it was so real, like itwasn't a show for me.
I wasn't watching a bigproduction, it was.
I was watching Love Addicts Raw.
It was genuine.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
You know it's really cool.
I asked Shannon, I literallysaid do you want like a big ring
and a big wedding or are youready to get on house?
And she said house.
I said, okay, simple, it's verysimple.
We even did that when ourchildren were one years old.

(18:09):
I, we, we talked about that.
We always make, we always um,here's a really, really cool
thing.
Um, I was actually speaking tofrank about this today and I
always talk to um my son, echo,at playing the highest level of
soccer.
It's always, and even lifeitself, it always comes down to

(18:32):
decision making.
That's it, decision making.
What is the difference betweena champion and everybody else?
The champions make greatdecisions and when it's when
something is wrong, they adjust,and they adjust quickly and

(18:54):
they're resilient.
So, when one thing I can saythat I know I don't think, oh,
you can hear my dog sorry, yeah,no worries.
I know that.
I know I don't think, oh, youcan hear my dog sorry, yeah, no
worries.
My, I know that the mostimportant thing, more than as

(19:15):
far as the marriage, yeah, it'sabout being genuinely partners,
like we all have this idea aboutmarriage, but it's a lot of
work Period, but the personyou're getting married to has to
be your partner, have to be.

(19:36):
They have to add value and youhave to add value to them.
They have to add value to youor it's not going to last Period
, because the first thing thatgoes is attraction, and physical
.
You know, you guys have to belike a team that constantly

(19:57):
growing together.
So me and Shannon we would dothese things Like I would
discuss with her like seriouslyand she would say house.
I said, okay, I'll make a plan.
We're going to own a house inone year and this is how we're
going to do it.
It was super cool and Iliterally would tell her, if you
don't mind me sharing with you,yeah, no, I want to hear it.

(20:20):
It was very simple.
I said okay, so you're going toput this much, I'm going to go
in, we're going to go make thismuch money and you're going to
deposit this much in the bankevery single week and let me get
the bowl for my dog.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead so I would.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
I, we had a plan.
You gotta have a plan.
You gotta have a plan.
If you don't have a plan, youplan to fail.
It's the truth.
So, and you gotta write it down.
Don't be telling me oh yeah, Igot one, where is it in my head,
in your head, if you close youreyes, close your eyes when you,
if you have something in yourhead and you see, see black,
right, that's space.

(21:09):
You know how big the universeis.
Your idea is in space.
It's everywhere and nowhere inparticular.
Okay, it's nowhere.
You have to put it down on asheet of paper, because now it's
in physical earth.
Okay, where we live.
It makes sense.
Okay, where we live.
And then you have to get up inthe morning.

(21:29):
You have to read that goal,that plan, in the morning as
soon as you get up.
So, guess what, when you get upand you read that plan, you're
gonna, your day is gonna be likeabout that plan.
Your decision is gonna be madebased upon your plan, like, oh,
let's go do this, ron, I'm sorryI can't.

(21:51):
I gotta do this because I knowmy plan, I know my goal.
So, by having a plan, you knowwhat you can and cannot do.
Okay, I don't know way.
Um steve jobs said he is just asuh as much as people praised

(22:16):
him for, like the ipod, theiphone.
It's the decisions that hedecided not to do.
That is the reason why he wasable to create what he did,
because there's a lot ofdistraction, you understand.
There's so much coming up withgood ideas, especially if you
get to a certain level.
Everybody has ideas, everybodywants your time, but it's being

(22:39):
able to say no, I cannot do that.
I'm sorry, I know you're hurt,but I cannot do that Because
you're so focused on what yougot to do.
You cannot get done what youneed to get done If you allow
all the distraction.
Yeah, so you got to have a planand I got to admit.
Shannon and I have been verygood at coming up with a plan

(23:05):
and sticking to it togethertogether.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Well, I feel I feel like uh with you guys too.
Personally, you guys are theperfect yin yang your, your
personalities balance each otherout, and um sean can keep you
in check too.
Also, I think those two thingsare like the the biggest thing,
and um she keeps me away yeah,exactly, but, um, you guys

(23:35):
balance each other out perfect.
She's more structured and stable.
You're more in the moment,doing things on the fly at any
given moment.
So, as the circle goes, youguys balance, it's not off tilt,
you know, I mean, and watchingyou guys parent is one of the
biggest, um, hugest impressionsthat been it for me as a parent,

(23:59):
because I see how you, you, youguys treat your kids and the
the avenues of success thatthey're experiencing is because
of the sacrifice you guys aredoing and also because of how
you guys are doing it andtalking to your kids.

(24:20):
And I got to see echo.
I see him every now and then,but I got to see him recently
and bro, they are, they are aperfect mixture of you and
shannon.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
It's crazy to see I, I actually, you know, I act.
I actually had thisconversation with shannon
because, um, as far as um, asfar as uh, echo and uriah,

(24:53):
they're both really, reallydriven.
Uriah is more like me, wherehe's more confident and just
self-motivated.
He doesn't even need me, hejust goes and makes plans, he's
just like on fire and I watchhim, I'm like wow, wow, like it

(25:16):
just blows my mind.
And then you get Echo, who ismore silent, very he's confident
, but very silent.
He'll never compare himself toother people, he doesn't have to
talk, whereas Uriah is veryconfident, he'll say things, you
know, and it's kind ofinteresting and both super

(25:38):
focused.
And I asked Shannon, you thinkit's because of us, you know?
I mean, 100% got to be, it hasto be them, it has to be them,
it has to be them.
But I'm sure, by being raisedby Shannon and I, it, it, it
plays a role you know big timeand the like.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Talking to Uriah, especially the last couple of
times, and I told him too,because he's all into volleyball
and he's explaining to me, likethe difference, how his life is
changing because of it, and Itook, I looked at him and said,
oh, you, you found your passion.
And he said, yeah, it took awhile, but I did, I found my

(26:21):
passion.
And once he had the bullseye,now he can laser focus and, like
you said, he's very confidentand he has a plan, like he he's
telling me like, oh, I'm lookingat these colleges, I'm doing
this with this website and I'mdoing this so that and I was
like brah, he just startedplaying volleyball like a couple

(26:43):
years ago and he realized howgood he was at it and now he
found his passion for it and nowhe's creating his own avenues
and paths to take his volleyballto the next level.
But it reminded me a lot of youand that way he was strong

(27:04):
about what his decisions weregoing to be.
And that's just like how youare with anything I've known you
to be about when you made adecision.
This is what's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
I mean it's very interesting, because the
difference between Uriah andEcho and, by the way, brittany,
you know Brittany, right, yeah,yeah, she in her own right is
very like they all amaze mepersonally.
But as far as what I was sayingwith Echo, echo would be like,

(27:41):
from five years old it was onlysoccer.
He never grew up as a normalchild soccer.
He never grew up as a normalchild.
Um, I, he, he would missbirthdays or he would skip going
to the beach and he would justwant to practice and he would
just want to do that.
So, very, very, very rare uriah, um he, you know, he, whatever

(28:03):
he gets in, he kind of remindsme of me.
Whatever he gets into, like ifit's collecting sports cards, or
when he was young he was intocollecting dinosaurs, right, or
fidgets, yeah, here's when hejumps around, he jumps around,
which is totally perfect, whichis just life.
You know, you should encourageyour kids to just do what they

(28:27):
feel like doing.
They don't have to be stuck toone thing.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, it's perfect, just the wayit is.
Just support them in whateverit is.
Don't even have to be sports,could be spelling.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yep, trust me, bro, my daughter is all into anime.
She's got a sword hanging upabove her freaking room, she has
all these books and then nowshe's like could care less about
it and fortunately she or shewas dancing.
We used to take her and do allthat stuff, but she never found
her passion until just likeUriah was volleyball.

(29:02):
And once she found that passion, everything changed.
Bro, I've never seen mydaughter like this.
I knew she, she, she wantedsomething to be passionate about
.
She just never found it andonce, like with uriah, found the
target.
Now she's just aiming at thattarget and doing whatever she

(29:25):
can and it's cool to see and forme as a dad, I love to watch it
.
Like people ask me like oh,what do you like to do for fun?
I watch my daughter playvolleyball because I'm watching
her do something that she loves,and that's what I love is to
watch my, my kid, do somethingshe loves.
That's my, that's what I loveto do.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
But back to that now that you brought that up back to
that, like what you just said.
But even they don't have to belike.
For instance, I read I stillremember when Brittany actually
had a conversation with me andshe said, dad, I'm not like you
like and and I asked her.

(30:06):
I asked her are you happy?
She said yes.
I said then, that's it.
You don't have to be a goalgetter.
You want to be, you want tocreate whatever you think is
ultra success.
Success is you living a lifethat you happy, happy, you know.

(30:26):
That's true.
That's another thing thatpeople emphasize so much on.
You think you have to dosomething.
You know Living.
What do you do for living?
I live.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yep, I live.
But you got to admit both youand myself don't have normal
lives.
Like we don't do the nine tofive our whole life and we never
punch one time clock.
Like we've not.
Well, I guess in other people'seyes it's not normal.

(31:02):
To us.
It's normal you know what Imean?
Like we're a different kind ofsuccess or a different kind of
life living.
We're not the cookie cutter.
I'm going to go college, I'mgoing to go get a job, I'm going
to raise a family and I'm goingto go to work every day.
We're not like that.
And I think if you look at allour friends that we're close

(31:24):
with, none of us are like that.
It's kind of weird.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Normal is different for everybody, everybody, yeah,
yeah, what you think normal isyeah, yeah but.
I feel.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
I feel like that's what connects us all.
We're we're.
We're just different, but thesame.
Where we're not, we're we're um, energy, yeah, and, and that
energy attracted us to eachother, like how the hell I
started cruising with you, orfrankie and peter, and like all

(31:59):
of our friends, and we all arenot normal in the eyes of other
people, you know, I mean, we'renot normal.
We don't go nine to five, wedon't do this Like we're always
trying to do something.
You know what I mean Like orleveling up or not, just a
normal.
Not saying it's bad or anything.

(32:22):
I just feel like that energyattracted us to each other and
that's why we're always aroundit, if that makes sense.
Like like you and peter right,your guys energy attracted to
each other at an early age andit's because you guys had that
same kind of energy.

(32:42):
Plus, you guys are dancing orwhatever.
But I feel like all of us arenot the same and we're all
attracted to our friends becausewe're all not the same and
we're not like normal.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Everybody is unique and, again, like I said, every
normal is different foreverybody.
Yeah, it's a different.
Everybody has a differentreality.
There's not one reality.
People say, oh, come back toreality.
But there's so many differentrealities.
Everybody has a differentreality and that's the one thing

(33:21):
.
As I'm getting older, I come tounderstand.
When you watch this politicalclimate that's happening right
now, it's so hilarious thateverybody is, that we all are

(33:43):
different, and you know youmight see something somewhere
and somebody else sees somethingsome somewhere else and accept
it.
You know we we different.
We're not all the same and norshould we expect people to think

(34:04):
exactly the way that we think.
I mean, believe me, I did forthe longest time and, uh, that's
a, that's a appetite fordestruction, because everybody
can make in their own way.
Yeah, and they can feel the wayyou want to feel and it's not
our duty to try to convince them.
You know, if you, if you,believe in a certain type of

(34:26):
religion, good for you, you know.
But if somebody else believesin a different type of religion,
good for them.
Who are we to try to convincethem to believe our way?
But we try to do that.
Yeah, you know, as you getolder, you realize that that's
what makes the the universe.
Amazing is that there's so manydifferent flavors.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
You know I agree and I always think, like, okay,
think about this.
I don't know if you ever do,but if you were to rewind your
life and look back and all thoselife experiences that you had,
that's kind of like a less thana 1%.
Like you were in a boy bandgroup, that was huge.

(35:11):
You started your own nightclub,you were part of a biggest
nightclub promotion company.
You had your own record label,you running a um, your roofing
company.
You're like the things you'vedone and accomplished isn't like

(35:31):
what a lot of people like notmany people had your life
experiences.
And I think about that with myown life, like I love the things
that I've done and I'm proud ofthe things that I've done.
And I realize like not manypeople can say they did what I
did, not that I'm comparingmyself to them, but it just
makes me appreciate that my lifeisn't kind of like what the

(35:57):
normal society's life is like,if that makes sense.
You ever think about all thethings you've done and be like
Holy shit.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
I did a lot of crazy shit, but I'll say it then again
you know, you know there'sthere's nothing wrong with that
too.
Yeah, there's nothing wrong withit yeah, um, you know, like
some people, if you think aboutit, okay you go to work and you
know, if you enjoy what you doand you can leave your, you can

(36:26):
leave your uh job at work andthen you can go home, you can
maybe watch Netflix, you canmaybe go do something Less
stress.
I will say that, yes, I did awhole bunch of stuff and I'm
still doing.
There's a lot of stress to it.
Yeah definitely lot of stress toit, yeah, definitely.

(36:58):
Yeah.
Well, you know people.
Other people may see um successin stature or whatever you want
to say, but there's also a lotof stress to it and uh, so maybe
that's successful to them.
Just living a Stress free, yeah, and happy life.
What's wrong with that?
I always fight myself.
I fight with myself about thatall the time, like what if?
I yeah, do this.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah, I don't know, like say you're gonna retire,
like then what?
You're gonna start somethingelse bro?

Speaker 1 (37:28):
I think.
I think the word retire is is,um, man-made like everything
else.
Everything's man-made like time.
I'll throw you off.
I'll tell you, I'll throw offit.
There's no such thing as time.
There's no such thing as time.
Time is an instrument like atape measure.
You know like, you use a tapemeasure so you can measure that
this frame is going to be 10inches or 24 inches by 24 inches

(37:54):
, and time is the same thing.
There is no, that's just aman-made thing.
So I can say, hey, thaddeus,meet me at five o'clock.
But really, what is that?
It's just the sun.
The sun is always shining yeahokay.

(38:14):
So the only reason why we don'tsee it is because the earth
spins right, but that sun isstill shining.
It's the same day.
That's why.
That's why it's called theeternal moment.
There is no time, it's just now.
You just got now.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yeah, you're right, and I definitely known you to
live for now and that'ssomething you definitely taught
me and I learned a lot from you,like working with you back in
the day with Artist Groove andjust talking to you and watching
you build your business and howyou are with your family.

(38:51):
I learned a lot from you andthe positive energy you always
have is is something I need tokind of keep more in my life.
Like I've never seen you.
Well, I seen you mad before,but I never seen you mad that
long and you always find a wayto put a positive spin on things
and can.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
I can I share something about positive?
Yeah, my friend, she's overthere going crazy, but this
might sound weird, but I thinkalways thinking positive is fake
.
I do.
Why is that?
It's not real?
Because you don't try to bepositive, you know.

(39:35):
I got to focus on this.
It's fake.
Positivity is an impulse, itcomes from within.
Like you don't try to thinkpositive, you just are positive
or you're not.
Yeah, yeah, that's just what itis Like you don't try to think
positive, you just are positiveor you're not.
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's, that'sjust what it is.
That's and the way and you, butyou got to understand that you

(39:57):
going to be negative, andnothing wrong with that, because
how do you even know whatpositive is unless you know what
negative is?
How are you going to know whatdaytime is if you don't know
what nighttime is?
So trying you're going to knowwhat daytime is if you don't
know what nighttime is.
So trying to think positive isnot going to last, it's faith.
Yeah, not gonna make sense.
You wouldn't.
You have to.
You just couldn't be positivein your, in your action, and

(40:21):
you're going to get times thatyou're gonna be negative and
then you can it's.
If you want to sit, do you wantto sit in your shit and be
negative?
Up to you, go for it.
And then, when it's time andyou're done pouting and sitting
in your shit, you just get upand you stop moving forward.
That's how I always feel,because I do hear people all say

(40:45):
, oh yeah, I think positive,this place is fake.
That makes sense.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
You, just you are.
You're it or you're not See.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
that's the thing, bro .
I don't know if you rememberwhich kind of stuck with me
forever.
And when you first invited meto be part of Artist Group
Network one day I asked youbecause I knew and I've seen it
and I never asked you to be partof of your company.
I seen a lot of people want toand I seen a lot of people like
was trying to be part of it, butI never asked.

(41:17):
And I I asked you one day and Isaid, brah, out of everybody
that's been around these stupidclubs and trying to be part of
your stuff, why did you pick me?
And that's exactly what you saidit's like because it just is,
and that was that always stuckwith me.
It was like nothing I I couldhave said or told you to like

(41:39):
hey, ronnie, I like be part ofartist group network or whatever
.
Like.
You picked me and I didn'tunderstand why at first, because
because I was just like fuck,I'm just whatever.
And then you like, oh, becauseyou're the right guy, it just is
.
And I was like well, that'sthat.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
But you just was the right guy.
You know we, you know I got us,let's just have some fun.
Then the problem with humanityis we think too much.
We think too much.
So I was listening to this bookand it was so cool and it's

(42:16):
right, and it was talking abouthow thoughts is so unlimited.
And then when you startthinking about it, it starts
limiting everything.
And it's true Like let's justuse this an example simple,
because everybody thinks aboutit, right, if a kid plays a

(42:38):
sport, you ask the kids whowants to be a professional?
Everybody says me right.
Yeah, who wants to be rich?
Everybody says me.
Until you figure out that yougot to do all this work to be
rich.
Or you got to do all this workto be a professional, right,
okay, so, but if you immediatelythink like, yeah, I want to be

(43:02):
rich, it's so exciting that ifyou start thinking, oh, but I
got to get up early, I got tomeet plenty of people, I gotta
do this, and then you startshying away from it.
Yeah, it's the truth.
Your thoughts, cause you knowwhy.
Your thoughts is exactly what Ijust told you.
The thoughts is just whatimpulse?

(43:23):
Just like, just being positive.
You're not thinking about beingpositive, you just are, yeah,
just being positive.
You're not thinking about beingpositive, you just are, yeah.
You're not thinking about.
Um, when you have a thought,it's just energy and that
thought is miraculous.
You can have whatever thought,and then when you start to think
about it, you ruin it yeah,it's so true.

(43:45):
So you know, I think we thinktoo much we do, that's true.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
That's what.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
I'm thinking.
So I know everybody heard this,but hearing it and doing it.
Okay, not trying to, butactually doing it.
Yep, just imagine when you getyou're sitting in a car, right,
and you get, uh, uh, you sittingin a car, right, and you, you
get the steering wheel and thesteering wheel is turning the

(44:15):
car right, right, right, but thesteering wheel is.
So the steering wheel is thebrain.
It's just a tool.
Okay, it's just the tool.
The brain is just the tool,just like the steering wheel.
If I don't't turn the wheel,the wheel doesn't turn right,
yeah, yeah.
So the brain, you, the brain isnot you.

(44:37):
Everybody thinks that the brainis who we are, what we think.
That's who I am.
It's not the brain, is justeverything you hear on social
media and your parents since youwas young, your teachers,
everybody.
That's all it is.
It's just mimicking all thosevoices.

(44:58):
And that's why they say youmight not get it that the brain
is actually the worst, worstleader, because it's not a
leader, it's a servant.
Yeah, it's like a tool, likethe steering wheel.
So who's in charge of the brain?
Who's in charge of the steeringwheel?

(45:20):
Me, I'm turning right yeah, soit has to be that soul.
So when you think again, let'sgo back to this.
So if you think you got tothink positive, it's fake
because it's the brain, it'sjust the tool.
It has to be the soul, thespontaneous you just are and you

(45:43):
are by just being.
You know my favorite word, myfavorite word, what is that?
Being B-E-I-N-G.
It know my favorite word, myfavorite word, what is that?
Being B-E-I-N-G.
It's my favorite word.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
That makes sense, bro .
And okay, what could you do tochange your soul?
Like say, if you want to be,you're going to change your soul
.
So you're fucked if you're anegative soul.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
There's no such thing as a negative soul.
There's no such thing as anegative soul, see.
That's why people always thinklike oh, you know, god is not
separate from you ever, becauseif God was separate from you,
you wouldn't be alive.
That makes sense.
The only reason why people arenegative is because you know

(46:28):
what their brain Another wordfor sin is.
What is that?
Lack of love, okay, just lackof love.
So it's just because you havelack of love or you're not born
evil.
Babies is not evil.
Yeah, we get that through ourenvironment, we get that taught

(46:54):
by watching.
But inherently, your soul isgood.
That's why you have to think tobe positive.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
You just are okay, that makes sense.
I feel you I did like, likewhat you brought up is like if
you want to be successful, yougot to put in the work.
If you want to be rich, likeyou said, it's exciting to say,
but when you realize you got todo the work, then that

(47:23):
excitement kind of fades.
And I used to tell that to mystudents and I tell this to my
daughter every single week, bro.
I said everybody like beingchampion until it's time to do
champion, shit.
Everybody wants to be the best,wants to do this, this and this
until it's time to do the work,to get there.

(47:43):
And that's where people fall off, that's where where the divide
is and I guess so People have it.
And I can sense that fromcertain kids watching my
daughter then play volleyball orwatching students I had compete
Some kids for certain things,they're just it, they just have

(48:03):
that it and some don't for thatparticular thing.
You know what I mean.
But I guess that is their soul,it's not, they're not choosing
to not have it, you know I meanwell, that's just that's just
some people have a certaintalent now, if but the the
person can work hard at it andbecome very that's what I meant.

(48:26):
that's what that's what I meantthat work ethic and just use it
all because it's lazy.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
So that's what's so awesome.
That's why it's so awesome.
There's nothing that is justset like just because you're
talented, you know so manytalented people fall out.
So much talented people couldhave been so successful, like my
oldest brother, anthony.
Okay, to me he's the mosttalented person.
For what?

(48:54):
Talent for what?

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Yep, I agree.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
It's, it's.
You gotta put in, you gotta putin the effort, yep, and you
gotta be and you gotta be.
You know, being successful isnot sexy, it's consistent.
And being consistent is notwhat people want to hear.
Who the heck wants to beconsistent Like, for instance,

(49:21):
this is the best one, this isthe best one.
Everybody can have a good body.
Okay, everybody can.
It's what we eat, but're lazy,we're lazy.
I literally had a doctor askedme oh, but what do you get me

(49:47):
when you go to mcdonald's?
Because she's asking me aboutmy diet and I said I don't eat
at mcdonald's.
Yeah, you can never, eat.
Yeah, so it's just about beingdisciplined.
But who wants to be disciplined?
They literally asked me oh, butwhat about when you go to eat

(50:07):
this place?
What about good?
I said what about it?
I just tell them this is what Iwant to eat.
You just have to be disciplined.
Yep, if you got the disciplineto eat good, then what do you
get the discipline for?
Because junk food is cheap,okay, but junk food is
everywhere, okay.
You're just lazy.

(50:30):
You just don't choose to eatgood food.
You're just lazy, that's it.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
I agree, and I think that's one of the reasons why I
did the Spartan race and to alsostart this diet, because I feel
like I haven't tested mydiscipline as much as I like to.
I want to try and test it againbecause it's something I always
had.
I always had discipline,especially when I was competing,

(50:57):
and I always had.
I always had discipline,especially when I was competing,
and always had that work ethic,but I never had something to
choose to be, to choose to makemyself disciplined for, and
doing this is kind of excitingfor me.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
But on the defense for people who choose not to be
disciplined and eat, right.
Who cares If they don't want to?
And they right?
Who cares if they're the, ifthey don't want to and they want
to eat whatever they want toeat, because they always say
that too.
Oh yeah, but I want to be happy, then do it.
Do whatever you feel like youwant to do.
There is no certain way.
If I choose to be disciplinedand I choose to eat a certain

(51:33):
way, that's, that's me.
If you don't, hey, awesome,because you can do whatever you
like?

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yep, that's true.
I know.
What I wanted to tell you andit was something we recently
shared together was I wanted tothank you for, when we were
watching Alika's team and hisson play soccer, for you to
explain half of the stuff thatwas going on, because we

(52:00):
recently got to watch soccer.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
You guys were the funnest to watch a game with you
guys.
I want to watch more games withyou guys.
You guys made it more fun.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
I had a blast.
I just was so confused with alot of this.
I cannot believe they went andstop the game and then the ref
would put the ball like 10 feetin front of the goal and say,
okay, go kick them.
I was like how the hell canthat be part of the game?
Like who?
Like that's not even skill bro.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
No, it's exactly like playing basketball If you're
going up for the shot and theyfollow you, then you go to the
free throw line and you shoottwo free shots.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Yeah, but that was when they're playing, when
they're scoring points.
Every other second Soccer, youcan go to the whole half time
and they may score one goal.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
No, a very this agent from Germany.
He explained it to me and it'sso cool and America just doesn't
get it.
He says it it's very cool, it'strue.
He said what people in Americaneed to understand is that
football, which America calls itsoccer, it's a very low scoring

(53:16):
game.
Why do you think when theyscore, they all go nuts?
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
We would yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
So it's a low-scoring game.
You can dominate possessionpretty much.
The game is 90 minutes, rightFor like 89 minutes, and in the
90th minute they can take theball and score and you lose the
game.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
It can happen.
That's what they don'tunderstand, and it's a player's
game.
It's a player's game.
It's not like American football, where you get the coaches up
watching the defense and makingcalling plays and they're
dictating how everything goes.
Yeah, in soccer, the coachescan only give you the formation

(54:07):
and the players is making splitsecond decisions.
Back to decisions.
We talked about it.
Yeah, decision making is in, in, in the highest levels, and
even in I'm not talking aboutjust sports in life, it's all
decision making.
You know what person you decideto get married to?

(54:30):
Okay, yeah, that's a big one.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
So yeah, it's the second time I'm doing it.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
It's huge.
It's huge and decision-makingin everything you know
Decision-making is.
I think they should stress thatin school more than anything,
Our life is compromised of alldecision making.

(55:01):
Your decision that you makegoing to bring you the type of
experience that you're going tohave.
You're going to have a badexperience because you had a bad
, you made a bad decision, oryou're going to have a great
experience because you made ahard decision that turned out

(55:22):
great.
Yeah, simple decisions mightturn out horrible, so it's
decision making, everything isdecision making well with soccer
.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
I can see that a lot more too because life, yeah,
it's, decision it's this you'remaking in life.
Oh yeah, I get that, but likeI'm talking about soccer Because
I haven't I mean, I playedsoccer when I was a little kid.
It wasn't like that at thatlevel.
And because your son plays atsuch a higher level, it was cool

(55:54):
for you to be with us to breakdown the game.
Of course, our little littlecrew was over there like doing
our thing and making it weirdand it's just, we didn't know
the game as well as you did.
So I was thankful that youwatched it with us so that you
could break it down and you weretruthful about it.

(56:14):
It's like, oh, if this happens,I gained power.
If that guy does this, theygain power.
I'm like, oh, you're not good,like you're just being real.
And it was uh cool to to knowthat you were so knowledgeable
of the game and why you're soknowledgeable the game because
of your son.
And like, what is?
He's not even where, what is heeven doing?

(56:37):
Like he's on like some kind ofprofessional development for
soccer.
Like what, what is he?
He's, in the main, living in amainland to be groomed to get to
the next level in soccer whenhe.
I don't know how to explain it.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
That's cute that you ask it's because it's true, like
if I mean, if I wasn't living?
How to explain it?
That's cute that you askBecause it's true, like if I
mean, if I wasn't living it,what the heck right?

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Yeah, you would in a bit, yeah Me.
And you never watched soccerbefore our kids was born.
I tell you that.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
American football doesn't have it.
So it's all.
Basically, soccer is football,it's really football, okay,
because it's the largest sportin the entire world by far, by
far, yep.
So we are now in America, kindof following the European way.
So you know, you get Chelsea,you get Liverpool, that's like

(57:32):
New England Patriots, and youknow the biggest team, right.
But in European football youhave your professional teams,
have what is called an academy,where they recruit kids, like
top level kids, into the academyand they groom them to be

(57:57):
professionals.
So you know they're, they'rethat's like a whole nother level
.
Um, so that's what, what he'sdoing, he's basically at.
You know, you heard of mls, themajor league soccer, yeah yeah
so there's, like la Galaxy, youknow, los Angeles Football Club,

(58:18):
inter Miami, with Lionel Messi.
So he's signed to HoustonDynamo and he's in their academy
.
So he's signed to HoustonDynamo, in Houston, texas, and
he's basically training to be apro.
That's crazy, crazy.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
So when he gets of age then that team can sign him
to the major league team.
They get first rights.
They don't have a draft oranything like that.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
No, no.
So actually you can be given apro contract at 14, 15, 16, 17,
18, 19, 20.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
As young as 14 yeah, wow, and you can play on like
the major league team yes, theycall it a homegrown.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
So basically you're in the academy and it's kind of
like um man, I can't explain it.
It's so crazy.
You basically you go to you,you play on this team, um, you
don't pay.
You know how people pay forbeing yeah yeah so you don't pay

(59:35):
anything.
Um, okay, they, they getprovided the uniforms, the
cleats, they travel with theteam.
So mom and dad don't eventravel with them.
Um, they stay in the hotel withthe team, they fly on the
airplane with the team andthey're basically living like,

(59:55):
like as little pros and they're.
But they gotta also.
They also gotta develop and ifnot, they can get cut.
So there's a lot of pressuretoo.
There's a lot of pressure, youknow, and yeah, it's just like
anything how is your son handled?

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
a pressure like he does it get to him, or it's just
he's like, he's just not even.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
He's just on that level where this is what I'm
what I'm doing I think that it'sabout this is what I'm doing
like he's very um, he doesn'treally talk a lot.
Yeah, yeah, he doesn't reallytalk a lot.
And as far as pressure, um, he,he just puts it into his

(01:00:41):
practice, he just practices alot.
Yeah, that's pretty interesting, it's.
It's definitely, it'sdefinitely interesting, you know
, coming from hawaii, being allthe way in houston, texas, and
he doesn't miss um.
I ask him all the time if hewants to come home and he always
tells me no.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
He's living his dream already.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
He is living his dream, yeah, 100%.
And you know, I tell him too,yeah, I think it's important for
us as parents and for ourselves.
Is you set a goal?
Okay, this is.
You set a goal?
Okay, here's a, here's a,here's a.
This is a gem, radio, this,whoever wants to take this, this
is a big gem, this is worth alot.

(01:01:27):
You set a goal, okay, to be aprofessional athlete or to be
very successful, whatever thecase may be.
Whatever you decide you want todo, and that's just the goal.
What we do is we feel that wehave to accomplish this goal in

(01:01:48):
order to be happy.
Wrong, wrong, the goal is justthe direction.
Like saying, let's go toKaneohe, yeah, the true gem, the
true value of life is usjumping in the car together and

(01:02:09):
having fun driving to Kaneohe.
The journey, driving together,the journey, yeah, yeah, joking,
stopping to get something toeat, stop to go to the beach,
laugh, play a fight, whateverthe case, right, that's the
reward.
The reward is life, the livingthat makes sense.

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The goal is just the direction.
That makes sense is just thedirection.
But we think, because thesociety, that the goal is the
reward and if we don't get thatgoal, we like, we, we don't want
to live, we, we go into drugsor we become depressed, right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Oh, it's important for us.
I always going to say this youcannot expect your kid to be a
champion unless you're achampion, period.
Yeah, I see people, no offense,people might get mad, but let
themselves go beyond overweightand yelling at their kids to be

(01:03:18):
like all that right, like you.
Let your kid be a champion.
You should be a champion.
Yeah, that's how I feel.
That's how I feel nobody has toagree with it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
That makes sense, I get a question by example.
Yep, I always believe in that.
Leave by example.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
So if you can teach your kids from an early age, I'm
telling you, you can save themfrom depression.
So I always share with Echo andUriah that the goal is just the
direction.
Okay, that's all it is.
The reward is the opportunityto move in that direction.

(01:03:59):
You know the fact that he'sfrom Hawaii.
He moved to Arizona when he was11.
And now he's 14.
He's playing at Houston Dynamo.
You know who Brian Ching is,from Kamehameha High School.
Yeah, yeah, he's a HoustonDynamo legend.
He's from Hawaii.

(01:04:19):
That's Aliga's teammate, yeahyes, yes, and he's still in in
houston.
But the goal is just thedirection.
It's important for us and forus to teach our kids that the
reward is the daily grind.
The daily grind is our reward,that's us living, that's pretty

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cool.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
It's the I I wanted to ask.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
And that's how you come, and that's how you be
happy because, look, we're gonnabe living in our mind again.
You, you, you, you want to be apro, but you're not there yet,
so you're not happy.
You see, you're thinking,you're thinking.
But if you just in the doing,like I'm gonna get up, I'm gonna
practice, and we're not notpracticing, I'm gonna eat good

(01:05:05):
and then I'm gonna practiceagain and you, you, in that
doing, you're gonna be goodbecause you're not thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
And you'll be happy.
I want to ask you when you'rewatching your son play soccer as
a dad, how are you on thesidelines?
You lose it.
You freaking, screaming, or youjust quietly cheering him on?
How are you?

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
That is a great question for you.
I don't know if you're thinkingthe same thing.
It's a learning process.
Okay, yeah, it's a learningprocess and of course, we like
to, we expect them, but at thesame point, I never played the
game, yeah, and I don't evenknow how to.

(01:05:56):
So I think it's important thatit's more we can now.
We just watch, we don't needanything, and we can always,
like ask questions or, you know,the only thing that I can, I
truly can share with my son,because he's so much beyond me I

(01:06:18):
mean as an athlete, as a asintelligent too, yeah is is
giving your 100, right, like,yeah, that's all, as far as
everything else, like that'sbeyond me.
So all we can share is about,you know, giving you 100.

(01:06:39):
But that's awesome, but another,the same point you got to
remember.
Now, the game that he played isnot like baseball football,
where they did the offense, comein the defense, sit down.
Yeah, yeah, soccer, soccer.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
They run miles in one day, oh yeah, all day they're
constantly moving.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
So you get us parents out there yelling at our kids
like come on, go there, go thereyourself and run.
Okay, Tell me you're gonna run100% all the time.
And like running 100% is dumball the time too.
You know, like you got to besmart so you start to learn.

(01:07:23):
I think the best thing that wecan do as parents is learn and
watch and support our kids,Because parents yelling at the
kids make the kids not enjoy thegame.
Yeah, Especially because wedon't even know, unless you play
it at a very high levelyourself, what we yelling yep

(01:07:44):
might be completely oppositefrom what the coach told you to
do yeah, right, so funny, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
I always tell that to my daughter.
I say you lucky, I don't knowhow to play volleyball.
You, you, lucky.
This wasn't my sport, becausethen I would try to be more
involved and more I'd probablybe coaching.
You know what I mean.
I said it's lucky you picked asport that I have no clue about
it.
The ball don't hit the ground,that's all I know.
Keep the ball from hitting theground on your side.
Put the ball on the ground onthat side.

(01:08:12):
Other than that, but like yousaid, I can direct her in the
work ethic because that doesn'tchange right.
But I, I, you know me, I getriled up, bro, especially like
if the ref doesn't bad call orsomething I cannot.
But I've learned to positivelysupport versus, like what you

(01:08:34):
doing, do that like, oh, don'tGet it back.
Next one you know what I mean.
Like it becomes different and Isee the competitiveness that my
daughter has is the samemindset that I have.
And we both noticed Alika's son.
When Alika's son lost in thechampionship game, he sat down

(01:08:56):
in the middle of the field.
He knew nobody around him, hewas upset and he wanted for dig
out.
You know like, get his lays.
You never like talk to anybodyand I was thinking to myself
like bro, that's the same shit Iwould have done.
And you said it.
You're like bro, that's good.
That means it mattered to him.
If you say I'll be the same way, like he cared, yeah, yeah, and

(01:09:17):
he's feeling it, bro, I likethat, that fact that you feel
that you feel the hurt, you feelthe happiness, but you also
feel the hurt because that'swhat's going to teach you, but
to be so like it mattered, likeit matters so much to that kid
at the same point.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
They won uh, speaking of that kid but at the same
point they won.
Speaking of Alika-san, they wonthe OIA tournament.
They won that.
They may have lost the state,but it's important again for our
kids to understand winning andlosing yes.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
That's what I keep telling some of the parents you
got to win and you got to lose,yes, and it's cool to not be
okay with losing Fuck that.
I don't like that theory.
Oh, it's how you play the game,fuck all that.
It matters to you that muchthat losing hurts.
That means you're passionateabout that and it's supposed to

(01:10:16):
hurt.
I don't like losing.
I never did, did.
I don't like even losing to mydaughter playing freaking
friends trivia.
I ain't gonna like it's just toto have that in today's society
where it's okay which which Idon't agree with.
I mean you can take the loss,learn from it, feel it and get

(01:10:36):
better from it, but don't belike, okay, we lost, it's all
right.
No, you got to feel that hurtbecause that's what changes you,
that's what makes you a betterperson, stronger player.
Everything that hurt is whenyou feel it.
You have to feel that Grow.
Yep, that's how you grow.

(01:10:56):
Exactly that's how you grow.
That's how you grow.
And it was so funny.
I was thinking watching the kidwalk out there and not want his
lays and the model being like Igotta get him.
I was thinking like bro, Iwould be the same way.
I fuck all these lays, I don'tcare about anybody who's here to
see, like you know.
I mean like we just lost thechampionship game.
And then you're like, yeah,I'll be the same way, I don't,

(01:11:18):
like I wouldn't want to get laid.
And you said exactly what I wasthinking and I was like, wow,
that's I'm glad you said.
And I told Alika.
I was like, bro, that is themindset you showed your kid,
like that.
It matters that much.
You're not doing this for justto be on the field and playing

(01:11:39):
soccer.
You're doing this for win onchampionship and when you didn't
, it gotta hurt and you gottagrow from it.
But you don't have to be coolwith losing bro.
I've never agreed with that.
You don't need to be a soreloser and be a little fucking
asshole, but, like you, youdon't have to be cool with
losing bro.
I never agree with that.
I'm the source loser, I knowthat.

(01:12:00):
Yeah, that's why I don't do itoften.
You know what I mean.
I don't lose often.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Yeah, uriah gets so mad, Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
The same thing, bro.
When he wins, bro wins.
It is glorious too.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
I see him win.
I want him to win, just so thatthe car ride home is much
better.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
It's that same.
I hate trying to Give him thelife lesson Speech after let's
go get ice cream.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
That's so funny.
It's very interesting when youstand next to your kids and
they're much bigger than you are.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Oh yeah, I ain't gonna be bigger than me it's an
interesting feeling, yeah, butwatching, watching uriah play
volleyball, I was like everychance I get I'm going to watch
him.
It's the same tournament,because I love his energy and
he's passionate about it and hiswill to win is like that's all

(01:13:09):
he's trying to do.
He fires up his whole team.
That's what I was going to say.
He's a leader, bro.
He fires up his team.
And same like Aria, they try toget every single person to that
level and when they're not atthat level, they're pushing them
to get there.
And it's, it's cool to see bro,and it was like that one
tournament when we seen you guysand I got to watch him play,

(01:13:32):
and you got to watch aria play,and you got we got to take
pictures, and for me it was a um, full circle moment, like aria
was born a few months beforewe're getting old and our kids
are getting big.
Oh, yeah, because, bro, yeah,watch, like that picture with
uriah and aria was was justweird, because we have pictures

(01:13:54):
of them when they were like noteven one you know it is and
they're like athletes and doingshit and in high school and it's
like circle of life and itfeels like a blink of an eye.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Didn't seem that long ago because what did I just
tell you?
There's no such thing as timepeople get to wrap their head
around it.
It's no such thing as timePeople can't wrap their head
around it.
It's the same day that you wereborn.
It's the same day.
It's one big eternal moment,because you know why.
I was listening to this another.

(01:14:31):
You guys ever, you ever, heardof a guy named Alan Watts?
I never.
I would encourage you to goonto YouTube, look up Alan Watts
, put in your headset, and justlisten to him speak as you fall
asleep.
Amazing, amazing.
But time is not a straight line.

(01:14:53):
That's why it's all layers ontop of each other.
It's all happening at the sametime.
Okay, we, we, we, but we werethinking in a straight line.
That's why it's all layers ontop of each other.
It's all happening at the sametime.
Okay, we, we, but we'rethinking in a straight line.
It's all happening at the sametime.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
There's no, because there's moments somewhere else
on this planet that's in thesame moment as us, but it's
totally different.
Yeah, it's phenomenal.
Well, man, we've been going forover an hour and this episode
could probably be a five hourlong conversation that I'll have
with you and um, I just wantedto talk story with you, brah.

(01:15:26):
I didn't have no agenda, likefucking.
I didn't have no um set formatof what I wanted to talk to you
about.
I just wanted to talk to youand I feel like I draw a lot of
inspiration from my friends andpeople that are close to me and
I feel like you influence mylife in so many different ways

(01:15:49):
just from our conversations andby the person you are and the
actions you show in life.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
No, you just just because you show in life, no,
just because you know I was abad drunk and I was able to
bounce back from that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Bruh, you're one of the few people that I know that
could do that, though, but evenprior to that, I told you this
Dad, and this is the truth.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
I want to say this to you.
So my whole life I've been likealways wanting to do more and
do more and do more.
And at that time I said I don'twant to do anything, I just
like party and have a great timeand be a loser and not worry
about any responsibilities,don't even pay any bills, and

(01:16:38):
just be a loser.
That has fun.
I chose it, I chose it and Idid it.
And at a and then and at acertain point, I said being a
loser is kind of boring.
Yeah, it's time.
It's time.
You know, I did it, it was whatit was, but it's kind of boring

(01:17:01):
and it's time for me to getbusy and I just Snap out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
You did.
It was a light switch.
It was cool to see.
It wasn't like it was hard todescribe Because you always was
that same energy, and then youjust had like a dark cloud
around it and you just got ridof the cloud.
And a lot of people can't.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
And you was pretty wild, right, you was pretty wild
yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
You was pretty wild and a lot had to do with your
relationship with Shan startingto grow and you just wanted to
be better.
And I was front row seats, bro.
I seen boat and I seen theswitch and I seen yeah, I seen
you at your worst and I've seenyou at your best.

(01:17:56):
I remember Frankie had to hidethe alcohol from his closet.
Bro, we just gave him some ofthe drink.
It was after the BJ Penn fight,I remember.
And, bro, to where you are now,a lot of people don't have that
mental strength to, like yousaid, snap out of it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
It took me a while to understand that and be
empathetic to that.
It really did, and that's whatmakes me be more aware that not
everybody, I don't know if theydon't have it but I can't say,

(01:18:42):
see, I can't say it's a decisionthat you have to make.
The one thing that I tell mykids is don't tell me, I'm
trying.
I hate that word.
That's bullshit.
You're either going to do oryou're not going.
That word, that's bullshit.
Yeah, you either gonna do oryou're not gonna do.
Yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
Yoda Trying to find an excuse.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
Yeah, you either gonna do something or you're not
gonna do them.
Yeah, and it's gonna be easierif you just say you know what
I'm lazy, I don't like doing,okay, cool, instead of
pretending and being all sad andbeing the victim Because it
takes a lot of energy to dosomething.
It does, and again, you can.

(01:19:24):
It doesn't make you're notbetter than anybody if you rise
to the occasion and if you don'trise to the occasion, you're
not, you're not.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
There's no.
You're better.
You be better for your own self, your own self.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
It's better for us to not judge other people, and
just you know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
I never did judge you .
I was shocked by you many timesI was like oh fuck, but like I
said you had that you gotta be aloser.
I was like oh fuck, but Like Isaid you had that you gotta be a
loser.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
You gotta be a loser so you can understand what it is
to be a champion.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
Oh, great Cause I was a loser a couple times.
I fucking what is it to be Oldand wise?
You gotta be young and crazy.
So we, you got to be young andcrazy, so we handled the young
and crazy.
Now we can bask in the old andwise portion of our life.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
You know the saying young, dumb and full of cum.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Yup, and we was that and we had the, we had the, we
had the opportunity to have somefun.
But I think, watching youthrough all of that and through
everything, bro, you're somebodyI always look up to and

(01:20:54):
somebody that um conversationsmatter and like today, just what
you were talking today, likewhen I edit this there I'm gonna
write, be writing stuff down,because I already know how I can
implement a lot of those thingsinto my life and that's why I
wanted to have this conversationwith you.

(01:21:15):
We don't to worry about yourphone ringing or like people
calling or like I get textmessages or all that.
It was a one-on-one,uninterrupted conversation with
you.
That, for me, couldn't matter.
And, honestly, like what if ourkids watch this video when
we're gone and can hear youtalking about what we just

(01:21:38):
talked about, like it could helpchange them and they can hear
their parents talking and theycan hear their parents mindset
and that's one of the reasonswhy I even do this podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
Because of that and brah yeah, you know what's your
idea.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
You're gonna have a lot of stuff for your daughter
to watch Yep and she'll get toknow her dad, not as a dad, but
as someone having conversationswith other people.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
Yep, well, I wanted to do, I wanted to, but I didn't
.
I didn't act on it and I'm notshowing.
But I always thought aboutdoing a segment called the Right
Advice from Mr Yaron.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Do it bro.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
Nah, you know, we'll see.
Right now I'm kind of in thatphase, like you know.
You got to admit you're totallyenjoying watching Aria.
Yeah, oh, big time.
Yeah, yeah, me too.
I just it's like I'm out ofthat stage.
You know when we, you, we'regrowing into that next phase of

(01:22:41):
our lives.
Um, frank says it best, we'reon the back nine.
You know when you go.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Oh yeah, we're definitely on the back.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Nine it's not a bad thing, like you said.
No, you said you want to beyoung.
I've embraced that, that I'molder now and I get to watch my
kids and I, I, I'm enjoying that.
I'm enjoying that I am Itotally agree.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
I just had someone ask me a couple days ago and he
does jujitsu and he said hey,dad, you should come do jujitsu.
And I told him you know what I?
I know how I am and I know howselfish I get when I get into
something like that and getpassionate about it.
And right now in my life, it'snot about that.
It's about me helping mydaughter get her passion and

(01:23:30):
supporting her and giving heropportunities.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
Not anything.
For me Sounds like you'remaking some good decisions.
Yeah, just talked about that,about how he would have never
been able to make the iphone ifhe took the wrong projects.
Yeah, smart, because if you getso into something, you might be
missing that of aria and we andwe only have a couple more

(01:23:55):
years left.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
Yes, I was just thinking about that too.
I was like, oh, a couple moreyears Aria going to be in
college and she already told mefrom at an early age that she
like go mainland for college.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
So in three years she's not going to be home every
day, but you see how importantthat is, I think if there's
anything from this segment that,like for me, that I would love
to pass to aria or my or my, mysons, um is that decision making
is so important, like it is the.

(01:24:30):
It's so important and, and, andalso about not trying to be
positive.
Not trying to, I mean, thinkpositive, but you just are, and
when you're down you're notpositive, you're down, it's all
good.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Yeah, just be.
You got to have the balance.
Yeah, just be.
I love you, man, and Iappreciate you, bro.
I appreciate you for takingtime out and I appreciate you
for seeing something in me allthe way back then and also for
being my friend, bro, becauseyou're amazing.

(01:25:08):
So are you man?
Love you, brother.
Love you, thad Shaka's for thecameras.
Love you, brother, love you,thad Shaka's for the cameras.
We're out and shout out to theArtist Group Network Aloha,
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