Adventure Travel with Becki Rupp - Trailblazer Wellness - Adventure Travel Podcast - Big World Made Small

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SPEAKER_00 (01:05):
Welcome back, everybody, to another episode of
the Big World Made Small podcastfor the Adventure Traveler.
So happy to have each and everyone of you back today, but I'm
also very excited to have ourguest today.
We've got Becky Rupp.
Becky is a personal trainer andadventure travel coach, and she
has Trailblazer Wellness.
Becky, welcome to the show.
So happy to have you here.

SPEAKER_03 (01:24):
Thanks, Jason.
I'm so excited to be here.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27):
It's going to be a lot of Yeah, it's going to be so
much fun.
We spoke a few weeks ago, and Iwas just, yep, absolutely.
We need to come back.
Um, there's some things you'redoing that I don't know very
much about.
And honestly, if I don't knowmuch about it, probably some of
our guests don't as well.
So we're gonna dig into that andthen we're really gonna go deep
and dig into your you know,childhood traumas, uh, all those
things that caught that causedyou to end up doing this type of

(01:49):
work, which I've I've noticedmost of our guests have some
something that happened in theirchildhood that impacted them.
But we won't go that deep.
Becky, before we get into yourstory, how you got from where
you were to where you are now,let's um let's tell, you know,
let's just share with ourlisteners what is Trailblazer
Wellness and mixed in.
I think we'll just start withthat.
And then we're gonna talk aboutadventure travel coaching as

(02:11):
well, because that's a littledifferent, but we'll mix that
in.
So go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 (02:15):
Yeah, Trailblazer Wellness is a company I started
um seven years ago, which is sohard to believe to support
travelers who want to take bigadventures, but they aren't
really sure how to get ready forthem to do their training, to
prepare physically and mentallyfor this dream trip that they've

(02:38):
like wanted to do for a reallylong time, and um is just, you
know, a bit of a stretch or justsomething that is out just on
the edge of their or outside oftheir comfort zone.
And I brought together mypersonal training experience, my
adventure travel experience, andmy coaching background to
support people in achievingthose things.

SPEAKER_00 (02:59):
Very cool.
It sounds like you've practicedthat a little bit.
That's very, very concise.
I'm sure you have.
And I think the first questionthat maybe comes to someone's
mind might even have came to mymind, is it always a physical
endeavor?
Because the way you describedalmost made it sound like that
person that wants to go to EverSpace Camp or climb Kilimanjaro
or do something very physicallydemanding.

(03:21):
But I recognize there's morethan just physical hurdles to
overcome when you're thinkingabout going to a new place.
Sure.
Can you help me understand thata little bit?

SPEAKER_03 (03:31):
Yeah, I mean, adventure is such a you know,
like wide open term, right?
And it's what you define it.
And so that could be physical,it could be you know mental.
Again, just stepping outside ofyour comfort zone zone doesn't
necessarily mean like climbing abig mountain or doing a big
track.
Um, it could be just visiting anew place, a different

(03:52):
continent.
Um, going to a place where youdon't know the language.
Though most of my clients dofall in more of the like
physical adventure kind ofthing.
I mean, I'm up for all of it.
So if if you're just, you know,feeling like, hey, I could use
some help with getting preparedfor, you know, your dream trip

(04:12):
of hanging out in cafes inSpain, sure, let's talk.

SPEAKER_00 (04:17):
It's and I get that because, you know, as the name
of this podcast or, you know,the adventure travel podcast, I
learned very quickly thatthere's a lot of different
definitions to adventure.
Um, and it sounds like you kindof maybe define it the same way
too.
It's kind of like those thingsthat push you outside your
comfort zone and open you up tonew experiences, whether those
are physical, like, you know,jumping out of things or

(04:40):
climbing things or whatever, orjust like you said, you know,
just going to a new place andexperience a new culture, maybe
that that language barrier thingthat that comes up, you know,
quite often.
Do you I also have the story inmy head that most of your
clients are single travelers?
And honestly, the idea rollingaround in my head is that most

(05:04):
of your clients are probablysingle female travelers.
Is that am I way off base or amI pretty close?

SPEAKER_03 (05:10):
No, that's that's pretty absolutely uh the
majority, vast majority of myclients are they're they may be
doing their adventure.
They come to me as a soloindividual.
I have had some couples, whichhas been really interesting and
fun as well.
But most of them are, you know,maybe married but they're or

(05:30):
have a partner, but they'regoing on this trip on their own.
Or a lot of them are actuallygoing with a small group with a
travel, like a tour operator.
Cool.
They may be going on their ownor with a friend or with a um,
yeah, someone that they know.
But I work with peopleone-on-one primarily.
So from that perspective, solo.

(05:50):
Some of them are doing solotrips to a particular
destination, but uh again, a lotof them are going with uh an
organized tour operator or anorganized trip of some sort.
Though again, they they may begoing just on their own as well.
So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (06:09):
I've worked with enough groups, uh mixed men,
women, just a variety ofdifferent types of people.
And I recognize, and I thinkprobably a lot of our listeners
do, is even if you're going witha group, there's sometimes when
you're going with a group, it'sall it's even more stressful.
I I think.
I don't know.
I'm curious to hear yourthoughts.
But somebody that maybe maybeyou're going with a group

(06:30):
trekking in northern Italy orsomething, and or walking the El
Camino or something.
What are the things that you seecome up?
Like, why would someone hire youwhen they're going with a group?

SPEAKER_03 (06:40):
Lots of reasons.
Probably the number one thing Ihear is I don't want to hold up
the group.
I knew you were gonna say that.
How did I know that?
Yeah.
I mean, it's it's kind ofbecomes funny to me.
It's like everybody's worriedabout that.

SPEAKER_00 (06:53):
Everybody.

SPEAKER_03 (06:55):
And you know, like 90% of the people are worried
about that.
And so not everybody can be thelast one, right?
They're worried about being thelast one, holding up the group,
you know.
But I think that's, you know,just again, that's maybe like an
innate fear for people andwanting to be part of the
community, wanting to becapable, wanting to be able to

(07:18):
really enjoy themselves.
So, you know, really that's whatI try to refocus the attention
on is like, yeah, I know you'reworried about being last.
Like everybody's worried aboutbeing last.
Let's focus on your other goalsin terms of your level of
enjoyment, your ability to bepresent, your ability to enjoy

(07:39):
the nature around you, to enjoythe culture, to, you know, enjoy
the interaction that you'rehaving with the other travelers
in your group and not have allof the focus be on I just don't
want to be last and hold up thegroups.
You know, I But yes, that is alot of the reason.
No, and and some people alsojust recognize they um that they

(08:00):
may or may not.
I I mean I've worked with peopleof all fitness levels, I would
say.
Like literally like coming offthe couch for various reasons
too, people who who are veryactive and and very fit and
things like that.
Uh, but some people really wantthe accountability, they really
want uh support in something inplanning for something that they

(08:20):
don't have the expertise in,they want to tap into that
expertise and and set themselvesup for success.

SPEAKER_00 (08:28):
I kind of jokingly we talked about childhood
traumas.
And then when I heard when thislittle bit of conversation we
just had just now, it's like,yeah, it's that, you know,
you're in gym class and they'repicking sides.
They're picking sides.
Who wants to be the last onepicked because they, you know,
right?

SPEAKER_03 (08:46):
I was one of those kids.
I was one of those kids.
I was not like super athlete,you know?
Yeah, I can't.
I was among the last to bepicked.
And maybe this is a result ofthat trauma.
I don't know.
So there, I'm not last.

SPEAKER_00 (09:01):
We got to the trauma really quick, didn't we?
Well, I I get it.
It's yeah, it's uh like, youknow, you don't want to be the
one, like you said, the one inthe group holding everybody has
to get picked, and I don't wantto be the last one to get
picked.
So you can say, Don't worry, thegroup's not gonna leave you.
That doesn't matter.
That's not that doesn't reallyhelp alleviate anything, does
it?
Because the gym teacher's gonnasay the same thing.
Don't worry, everybody's gonnaget picked.

(09:23):
Okay, well, yeah, I don't feelany better about that.
I'm also curious because I canimagine a scenario where people
think they're coming to youbecause they need to get in
shape physically for a trip.
And I guess I guess what I'mcurious about.
Like, I just imagine, hey, Ineed to get in shape for this
trip.
And then two or three calls in,you guys are talking about

(09:44):
childhood drama, or you'retalking about um just releasing
fears and anxieties and andpreparing yourself to, like you
said, be present, enjoy it,connect with other people.
And it by the end of the of thecoaching program, they're kind
of like spend a lot more timeand energy discussing those
things as opposed to, you know,did they go to the gym like they
said they were going to?
I I'm guessing, right?

SPEAKER_03 (10:06):
Yeah, absolutely.
And that's why that is one ofthe reasons that I have the
coaching certification, thecoaching aspect of this, which I
love just as much as thephysical, you know, personal,
any personal trainer, chat GPT,whatever can give you a training
plan, right?
Yeah, right.
Right, right.
That's that's you know, there'sthere's absolutely some thought

(10:26):
and magic to it, but it's thecoaching piece of it is what
really amplifies the experienceto address, like he said, like
things you may not have evenrealized were rolling around
inside your head.
And like as the trick getscloser and things and sometimes
I'll be honest, things go wrongduring training.

(10:47):
You twist an ankle, you getCOVID, you fall down and hit
your head.
I mean, not to be like a doom,like you're doomed, but these
things happen.
And or just you get really sick,whatever, like things, or a
member of your family gets sick,or something comes up where
things are not going asexpected.
And that is sometimes where itlike switches from just like,

(11:10):
oh, am I checking the boxes onthe training plan to holy crap,
like what are we gonna do?
How am I gonna manage this?
Am I gonna still be able to go?
I mean, I literally just had aclient come back from the Inca
Trail who, you know, reallyinflamed her Achilles, you know,
about seven or eight weeks outfrom the trip.
And it was a long recovery.
And, you know, three, four weeksbefore the trip, she's like, all

(11:32):
right, is, you know, let's talkabout the go-no-go decision.
And this is someone who was,again, like really fit,
experienced, and didn'tnecessarily anticipate that she
would have a, you know, like amedical thing go on, but it
yeah, just ended up being alittle more, you know, had this
twist that we worked throughtogether and ultimately she went

(11:53):
and everything was great.
But yeah, it things come upalong the way.
And so that can take him todifferent directions sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 (12:02):
And I also I've been around some of the coaching
world and kind of familiar withthings like saying, like, you
know, the thing is not thething.
So maybe, you know, an exampleis the the client that's worried
about being the last one on thetrack, or you know, the one
that's walking the slowest.
But then as you dig a littledeeper, maybe there's something

(12:24):
else that is even biggerconcern.
But it's easy to it's it's alittle easier to focus on.
Well, honestly, it might beeasier to easier to focus on my
perceived physical limitationsas opposed to my ability to make
friends or my fear of maybe justactually leaving the country.

(12:45):
So maybe your friend talked youinto going on this direct thing,
and and you tell yourself, well,I'm worried I'll be the last one
on the hike or whatever, butmaybe you've never been on an
airplane, maybe you've neverbeen outside the country, maybe
you're afraid that your friendis gonna connect better with the
rest of the group than you do.
Does I suspect some of thatstuff comes up sometimes, right?

SPEAKER_03 (13:06):
For sure.
I mean, for actually for a lotof people, it is their first
group trip, and that has its owndynamics, which you you've kind
of alluded to.
And you know, it can be tricky,right?
To to navigate that and to knowwhat to expect and know how
you're gonna react.
And like you said, how am Igonna connect with people?

(13:26):
Am I just gonna be like sittingby myself at dinner?
Or, you know, which you you'renot because it's it's a group
trip, but people don't know whatthose dynamics are often before
they go.
And even people who have been onother group trips, maybe they've
done trips that are moreculturally based or whatever.
And this is again maybe a moreadvanced or just challenging

(13:50):
thing.
And so yeah, we we we get intoI'm here for all of it.
I, you know, if you want tojust, you know, talk about what
you're what you've done thisweek in terms of your training
plan and that sort of thing,that's fine.
If you want to dig deep and andgo into like all those
underlying things, absolutelyI'm I'm here for it.

SPEAKER_00 (14:09):
Yeah, it's very cool.
Um, yeah, because I imagine someof your your clients maybe
haven't even been with a groupof women in 15, 20 years because
they're coming out of a marriageand they don't have any friends.
And and that could be, I thinkthat could be very intimidating,
you know.
So yeah, I could see coachingsessions going into
conversations around that andalmost don't have anything to do
with the trip, but obviously areimportant to make that to make

(14:33):
that happen.
You mentioned couples.
You mentioned, you know, there'sthere's couples out there that
maybe come to you.
What is that does that typicallylook like one person's really
excited and gung-ho and theother one's not so much?
So the um the one that's excitedsays, Well, okay, what do you
need to make this happen?
And she says, Well, I need somesupport.
Or or the other way around.

(14:54):
It could absolutely be the otherway around.
Um, I'm just what is what doesit usually look like when a
couple comes to?

SPEAKER_03 (14:59):
Yeah, I've I've just had a few.
So usually it's like both peoplerecognize that they really need
some support with getting readyand they're in it together.
So they're they're really thereto mutually support each other,
and it's not necessarily onedragging another one to it.
Okay.
Fortunately.

SPEAKER_00 (15:18):
Well, so the reason I asked that.
Why do you ask that?
Yeah, why do I ask that?
Well, you know, when I was I wasrunning a travel business for a
fairly large company, we had abunch of retail employees and
different types of people aroundthe world.
And they and this guy came up tome and he said, Geez, Jason, you
know, I love to travel.
I want to get my wife to go withme, but she doesn't, you know,

(15:41):
she's nervous about everything.
And we should set up trips forpeople that are afraid to
travel.
Which uh I don't know if that'sa good business model, but I
could see the desire on his fromhis perspective, like I really
want to go.
And she, you know, she thinksEurope is dangerous, so she's
not, you know, she doesn't wantto go anywhere.

SPEAKER_03 (15:59):
Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 (16:00):
Yeah, and I was thinking about it.

SPEAKER_03 (16:02):
I actually did on the opposite, Jason.
It's interesting.
Probably I well, like the rolereversal.
So when I started the businessor when I was conceptualizing
the business, I was kinda I Ialmost hate to admit this
sometimes because it's not veryprogressive, I guess.
That I thought that a portion ofmy clients could be women who

(16:24):
were going with their husbandsand they were wanting to make
sure that they could keep up.
What I found is actually kind ofthe opposite, not really the
opposite per se, but I work withso many women whose husbands are
not interested in traveling.
I bet yeah, it's so interestingto me.

(16:44):
Like their or their spouses,whatever I I work with a lot of
women who have, you know, femalespouses as well.
But um it's it's often the thewomen who or women who are
traveling either with a group ofwomen or with a n or on their
own whose partner is staying athome and they want the extra

(17:05):
support because they just don'treally necessarily have somebody
in their life who can relate andwho can their spouse can be very
or partner can be verysupportive, but they may not be
know, you know, how to get readyfor a big hike, a big multi-day
hike.
They may not just have anydesire.
They might have health issuesthat are that's keeping them

(17:25):
from doing the things with theirpartner.
So it was kind of a surprise tome that I, you know, I do have a
few that are like, my husband isjust, you know, gonna race up
the mountain and I want to makesure that I'm feeling good.
That is a small minority of myclients.

SPEAKER_00 (17:42):
It makes sense that you would you would attract
those folks, I say women,whatever, or just people that
really want to travel, but theirpartner doesn't.
Or other other people in theirworld just don't get it.
Because honestly, even if it wasjust a it would just, I'm
excited about my trip.
And every time I mention it tohim or her, they're just like,
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm sure you'llhave fun.

(18:04):
There's like no enthusiasm.

SPEAKER_03 (18:05):
There's no like or there might be a ton of
enthusiasm, but that like theyjust don't know what to do to
support them, even yeah, youknow, because there's that's
just not their jam.

SPEAKER_00 (18:17):
Which is well, yeah, because I could imagine a
scenario where someone wouldsay, Oh, I'm really excited
about my trip, but I'm worriedabout the language barrier or
whatever.
Or I'm worried about keeping upwith the rest of the group.
And your partner may be tryingto be supportive and may just
say, ah, don't worry about it.

SPEAKER_02 (18:33):
Or they might be fine.
Yeah, you'll be fine.

SPEAKER_00 (18:36):
Or they might say, Well, if you don't want to go,
you don't have to go.
Okay, that's helpful.

SPEAKER_03 (18:41):
Or, you know, uh, you know, some people are
problem solvers who, you know,especially some men that I know.
Okay, well, all you have to dois blah, blah, blah.
All you have to do is do this,all you have to do is do that.

SPEAKER_00 (18:55):
So wouldn't it be so nice to have someone to talk to
that was supportive in a like ina a really supportive way?
Is it like a coach?

SPEAKER_03 (19:03):
That gets excited with that.
That's what I hear a lot.
It's like you've done thesethings, you've hiked the
Incontrol to you know, to MachuPicchu, you've climbed
Kilmanjaro, you've done theCamino, you know, you've done
these hikes in Europe, you'veyou've done things in South
America, whatever.
I I do hear that a lot frompeople is just, you know, you
can relate and having someone inyour corner who can relate and

(19:27):
who I try not to offer a lot ofadvice necessarily, but I but I
will if if pressed.
Um you know, and I have I havecertainly not done everything,
far from it.
Sometimes people ask me, Do yougo on your trips on client trips
with them?
And I'm like, I haven't seencloning work yet.
So no.

(19:49):
We'll often have, you know,obviously multiple clients in
different parts of the world atthe same time.

SPEAKER_00 (19:54):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (19:55):
But um, I I have had some experiences that I have
gone on with clients.
But but yeah, but I have donesimilar kinds of things to most
of what my clients are doing.
So that can be useful in thecontext of the conversations.

SPEAKER_00 (20:11):
Absolutely.
And a bit, I guess, from from myperspective is there's a lot of
value in a coach, and I'd liketo, I mean, I think we're kind
of touching on that, but alsolike I you you tell me your
perspective, or you can telljust tell me I'm crazy, but for
a while I was thinking that youknow the value in the coach was

(20:33):
just helping you get reallyclear on what it is you want to
do, but also why.
Like what's the big why behindit?

SPEAKER_02 (20:39):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (20:39):
And and maybe some visualizations, some stuff, you
know, because you're not goingto the gym to get in better
shape, you're going to the gymbecause you want to enjoy the
experience.
And why do you want to enjoy theexperience?
Because you want to connect withother people that maybe have
some interests or whatever.
So it's like, why are you doingit?
Not just what do you need to do,but why are you doing it?
And then figure out, you know,what's getting in the way, what

(21:01):
are the stories in your head orwhatever.
And then and then just theaccountability part of it.
Yeah.
It's just like, okay.
So when they show up and say,Well, I've been eating mac and
cheese and haven't been to thegym all week, you know, you can
have that conversation.
Okay, well, what was behindthat?
You know, and then you mightfind out, well, I've been eating
mac and cheese and didn't go tothe gym because I'm worried

(21:23):
about my safety and whereverwe're going hiking.
You know, it has nothing to dowith you know, all these these
things, these things that thatcome up.
What's your typical program looklike?
Or is there a typical program?
I'm sure it's customized, but doyou typically meet with people
once a week or something likethat for a certain period of
time?
Or is it more what does thatlook like?

SPEAKER_03 (21:44):
Yeah.
So just to like kind of circleback on what you were saying
about the the why and thevision, that is something that I
absolutely we dig into.
We talked a little bit about iton a consultation call.
I do a free 30-minuteconsultation call with people to
just, you know, see if it's afit, to, you know, find out a
little bit more about whatthey're planning to do.
Again, like what's their vision?

(22:04):
What are their, what are theyconcerned about, that sort of
thing.
But then in the kickoff call, inour first call, our session,
it's mostly video.
Some occasionally I do likecalls, but but actually it's
video.
We definitely talk about yourvision for the trip and why it's
important to you and why, like,why now?
That can be very grounding, likeyou said, for when things maybe

(22:27):
go a little off the rails orwhen you're struggling with
motivation.
I was just having a conversationwith one of my clients earlier
this week about, you know,staying on track and motivation.
And one of the things like wetalked about was maybe putting,
you know, a picture of MontBlanc as a screensaver, you
know, to help her remember toget up at lunch and go do her

(22:49):
workout, break away from herdesk.
Because I work with people whoare busy executives, who are
nurses, who doctors, you know,people who all walks of life,
right?
Retirees, definitely, butpeople.
Who are full on in career mode?
I'm a corporate refugee.
You know, I quit the corporateworld to start this business.

(23:11):
So I get the 50-hour weeks, theoh my gosh, now I have to travel
next week for business.
I get it.
I get all that, I get it.
So having that vision, havingyour why, and also knowing your
strengths and digging into yourstrengths and other successes in
your life, that's like thecoachy part and drawing on that
to support how do you get backon track or how do you break

(23:33):
away from your desk?
How do you fit in?
Um, how do you prioritize thistraining in your life with your
kids and your spouse and yourjob and your this and your that?
You know, because most peopledon't come to me like twiddling
their thumbs, right?
They're like, oh, I don't, I'mnot sure what to do.
So I, you know, some again, somepeople do have the luxury of

(23:54):
time, but a lot of people don't.
Even people, you know, who areretired, they have volunteer
responsibilities orresponsibilities or whatever.
We're busy, right?
We're busy people.
And so having that why, thatvision, that grounding can help
with, you know, theprioritization or the
negotiation with yourself andmaybe with others around, okay,

(24:17):
this is this is really what Ineed to do to set myself up so
that I can enjoy this trip thatI've invested in.
You know, it's investing inyourself.
I call it the I I call it thejourney before the journey.
The pre-trip journey is allabout what do you do beforehand
so that so that you can reallymake the most of what you're
doing.

SPEAKER_00 (24:37):
Right.
And I imagine, I mean I don'tunderstand it, but I've been
around long enough to under tosee that there are some people
that actually do just like toget up and go to the gym or go
for runs.

SPEAKER_03 (24:48):
I do.
I'm one of those people.
Yes, I know.

SPEAKER_00 (24:52):
It's somebody that's you know, but somebody that
wants to climb Mount Kilimanjaroisn't necessarily the same
person that likes to wake up andgo to the gym.
No, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 (25:03):
There are a lot of people who climb Kilimanjaro, as
I'm sure you know.
And yeah, no, not all of themare like runners or people who
want to get up in the morningand go, you know, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 (25:12):
Yeah, so for the rest of us that don't wake up
motivated to go to the gym,that's why you're talking about
like a screensaver of Mont Blancor something, or that that
really clear vision.
You know, I remember doing somework with some folks in the past
where it's like, okay, we'regonna imagine, you know, if we
figure out that just being atthe top is the thing, if that's
what your thing is, it's like,okay, how are you gonna feel it,

(25:33):
taste it, smell it, hear it, andyeah, implement all those
sensations so that you can feelit in your body, so that you
know, so it helps you believethat it's real because the brain
doesn't know the differencebetween reality and what it
feels, and you know, and socreate that feeling.
And then when you're waking upthinking, should I go to the
gym?
You gotta take that moment andthink about how it was, you

(25:55):
know, I don't know, drinkingcoffee on the top of a kilomet
jar, whatever.
But anyway, any anyway, so it'svery, very cool.
Let's uh I want to figure outbecause you kind of mentioned a
couple things, your corporateescapee or whatever word you
use.
Yeah, rep refugee.
So let's go back and figure outhow the heck you got into this.
Cause I think I think there's afew steps along the way.
And let's go let's try and getto the first step because I

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really I think the stuff we'reexposed to in childhood tends to
always kind of come throughsomehow.
So I guess I'm just gonna askyou, how far back do we need to
go to get a feel for what waswhat's going on?

SPEAKER_03 (26:32):
Yeah, let's let's go in the way back machine.

SPEAKER_00 (26:34):
You're a coach, you've done this before, you've
done these exercises.
This should be easy for you.

SPEAKER_03 (26:41):
Like, I'm also not a psychotherapist.
I that's very clear in mycontract.

SPEAKER_00 (26:46):
That's uh I'm happy you mentioned that because yeah,
because I I make that joke, butit's not so much about that, but
sometimes it's helpful to like,you know, how do you feel now?
And when's the for when's thefirst time you remember feeling
that way?
It's not psychotherapy, but it'sjust creating connections.
You mentioned, you know, likewhen have you had successes in
the past?
Exactly.
And how do you yeah, like, hey,you can do this type of thing.

(27:08):
So what's what's your firstmemory?

SPEAKER_03 (27:10):
No, I do.
I that's that's yeah, that'sdefinitely part of the process,
is is understanding whatpeople's successes have been in
life and how that relates towhat they're about to do.
But yeah, in terms of me, howdid I get here?

SPEAKER_00 (27:24):
I I know like, oh man, Jason, this sounded like
such a good idea, but no, no,how did you get here?
Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_03 (27:30):
Yeah.
So yeah, actually, let's yeah,let's go back to childhood.
And I share this story uh on mywebsite and stuff too.
My grandparents were worldtravelers, and I have vivid
memories of sitting in theirbasement watching slideshows.
Yes, slideshows of theirtourists.

SPEAKER_00 (27:48):
Wait, you you might need to you might uh explain
that to a the slideshow a littleyounger.

SPEAKER_03 (27:55):
Is that like Instagram?
Yeah, my yeah, right.
My my grandfather was uh, youknow, really loved photography
and took some amazing pictures.
And I actually recently we'rekind of going through some
things in my family right now,and we came across a folder that
had a list of my grandparents'trips from 1977 through 2000.

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And I what I remembered fortheir trips was definitely
Mexico.
They went to Mexico a lot in thelate 70s, early 80s, that they
went to Vietnam, that they wentto China, that they went to
South America.
I actually have a picture my uhgrandfather took of Machu Picchu
here in my office.
So I knew that, but this listwas like you know, oh, and I
that one of their last trips was1999, I think was to Uzbekistan.

SPEAKER_00 (28:42):
Oh wow, that's out.
Yeah, that's a lot off the beat.

SPEAKER_03 (28:45):
80-year-olds going to Uzbekistan in the 1990s.
So they were pretty adventurous,but they had gone to Nepal,
which I didn't I had forgottenor didn't realize.
They had been to South Americamultiple times.
Yeah, just like it was insane.
Uh, I was like, well, no wonderI have the travel bug, right?

SPEAKER_00 (29:03):
That explains a lot, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (29:05):
Yeah, and they just you know, they lived very
modestly.
In fact, my uncle still lives intheir old house.
So when I go to visit, I I likeliterally go to my grandparents'
house.
Yeah and it is a thousand squarefeet, maybe.
And the basement seems so muchsmaller than it did when I was
watching the slideshow, right?

(29:25):
And um, they just you wouldnever guess.
Like if you just drove down thestreet and looked at their house
and looked at their cars, youwould never guess they were
world travelers.
So I it just made open it up andmade it all very accessible to
me.

SPEAKER_00 (29:38):
So it sounds like you have vivid memories of
sitting in the basement watchingslideshows.
Some people would think, oh,this is really cool spending
time with grandma and grandpawatching slideshows.
Other people, probably that arenot listening to this podcast,
would hear that and think, oh,that reminds me, my grandparents
used to go on and on and onabout their trip to Yellowstone

(29:59):
or their whatever they did.
Do you remember at the time,were you as enthusiastic, or are
you looking back at it now kindof through the lens of somebody
that's traveled a lot?
And uh, do you remember how youfelt at the time?

SPEAKER_03 (30:11):
I think I must have been excited.
I mean, I must have beeninterested and curious because
yeah, it was just amazing to me.
Like all these differentcultures and people that didn't
look like us, and mountains andoceans, and just yeah, just
amazing things.
And I was like, Yeah, I want togo see all that stuff.

SPEAKER_00 (30:33):
I love it.
Were these your mom's parents oryour dad's?

SPEAKER_03 (30:36):
My dad's parents, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (30:38):
Your dad's parents.
So now tell me a little bitabout your dad.
Did that rub off on him?
Was he enthusi I mean, you guysweren't traveling when you were
young, it doesn't sound like butyeah.

SPEAKER_03 (30:46):
I mean we didn't we were we didn't have any we
didn't have any money, to behonest.
So, you know, we didn't I didn'ttravel internationally.
I didn't, you know, cross theocean uh until I was in after
college when my sister did studyabroad, my younger sister did
study abroad.
So my first trip overseas,other, you know, outside of the

(31:10):
country besides Canada andMexico was when I was like 22.

SPEAKER_02 (31:15):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (31:15):
So I didn't grow up traveling outside like very
exotically, I guess.
I had these experiences with my,you know, through my
grandparents of hearing themtalk about it, seeing the things
that they brought back and thepictures they took.
But yeah, I didn't start my owninternational travel career or
overseas travel career until,you know, into my twenties.

(31:36):
And then even then, I just, youknow, I felt there were people
who, you know, and I knew peoplewho, you know, after college, is
like, hey, I'm just gonna goback back across Europe.
I was way too financiallyconservative for that.
I was like, nope, I gotta stayhere and get a job and pay off
my student loan.
And then I'll go and do all thebig things.
I always knew I was gonna dothem.
It was always part of the plan,but I was like, nope, I gotta

(31:59):
feel secure.
I need to, you know, get get myducks in a row before I before I
undertake that.

SPEAKER_00 (32:05):
Sounds like a reasonable way to do it.
There's there's a few differentschools of thought.
I'm not sure it's schools ofthought.

SPEAKER_03 (32:11):
There's schools of thought.
And there are definitely, yeah,different approaches.
And you know, am I incrediblyenvious of the people who did
that right out of school?
Yeah, I was.

SPEAKER_00 (32:20):
Well, some of them just could do that.
Some of it's they weren'tintentionally being careless.
They had a backup plan, they hadother people in their lives that
made sure they were financiallysecure.
I do want to ask you this beforewe move too far forward, though,
is if I do the math in my headand try and make a few
assumptions here, it sounds likeyour grandparents didn't start

(32:42):
traveling until your father wasan adult on his own doing his
thing.

SPEAKER_03 (32:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
For sure.
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 (32:48):
So he didn't benefit from traveling with them at all.
He just moved out and they wentand started traveling.

SPEAKER_03 (32:55):
Yeah, they had four kids and they were all grown and
on their own before they startedtraveling.

SPEAKER_00 (33:01):
So they took the same approach that you did
earlier, right?
So I guess maybe that was maybethat was an influence as well.

SPEAKER_03 (33:06):
Like, you know, I saw again, I saw them travel
into their east, like very, youknow, roll it fairly easily.
And that was obviously waybefore, you know, the internet
and so many internationalflights.
They figured it out.

SPEAKER_00 (33:20):
So I guess I was like, okay, that's what I'm
gonna do when I when I did haveyou had conversations with your
dad or your or mom about likehow they felt about like how did
your dad feel about his parents,retired parents traveling around
the world?
Did he think that was cool anddifferent?
Do you do you or do you have anyidea how he felt about it?

SPEAKER_03 (33:41):
Yeah, I think he he thought it was cool.
He and my grandfather, his dad,took a couple of trips together.
They went to Israel together.
Cool.
And they went to Greecetogether, I think it was.
And so yeah, they had sometravel experiences together.
My sister and my nieces to SouthAfrica.
They did not travel asextensively as my grandparents
did.
They're a little bit morehomebodies, but they try they

(34:03):
traveled, you know, they werethey're totally on board with
it, and they're very supportiveof of me doing all this.
Absolutely.
Nothing that they they've nevertried to stop me or said they
were worried or, you know,anything like that.
They've always fully supportedthis and said, yeah, go go see
the world and enjoy.
And yeah, very supportive.

SPEAKER_00 (34:25):
It sounds like your grandparents, just through their
influence in the slideshows andstuff like that, kind of opened
you up to it.
Was there a point in your do youremember a specific point in
your life where you're like, I'mgonna work in the travel
business at some point?
Do you remember that?

SPEAKER_03 (34:39):
Well, and I was um I was a journalism major.

SPEAKER_00 (34:42):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (34:43):
I I was a writer as a as a kid and uh decided to be
a journalism major.
And at one point I thought, I'lldo international reporting.
You know, that sounded great.
I'll travel, get paid to travel,and and be this international
reporter.
That didn't really work out fora number of reasons, but yeah,
tell us more.
Tell us more.

(35:03):
Like, yeah, like again, I wastoo I decided for one thing that
after my internship with doinglike real news reporting, that
that was not my jam.
It was too negative.
I I didn't I didn't like all thenegativity.
So I was like, I won't be areporter, so what am I gonna do?
So I actually moved to DC aftercollege, and um, so I was in

(35:27):
kind of an international scene,but um I ended up doing um
communications and marketing andthings like that with my with my
degree.
You know, again, alwaysmaintained interest in various
cultures and countries, went toseveral events at embassies in
DC, which were a lot of fun, sogot some exposure that way.

(35:47):
Uh but yeah, the the theinternational travel reporter
thing didn't really pan out forme.

SPEAKER_00 (35:57):
You know what?
I get that though when you whenyou mention that, because I can
imagine it seems very glamorous,sexy, whatever word you want to
use.
But then when you think about,well, what do I see about
international news on thetelevision?

unknown (36:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (36:11):
It's like not gonna go to war-tier countries.
That was not me.

SPEAKER_00 (36:15):
You know, you don't see a lot of in the mainstream
media, you don't see a lot ofreporting on cool places to go
and visit and and cool, youknow, cultural communities and
all that stuff that you imagine.

SPEAKER_03 (36:28):
We do not because then it was a you know, there
were there were obviously somemagazines, you know, Cody Nass,
Traveler existed, you know, whenI graduated from college and um
some other things.

SPEAKER_00 (36:40):
But it's there's a lot of journalism majors
fighting for those jobs.

SPEAKER_03 (36:44):
Well, exactly.
Exactly.
I just yeah, I just wasn't upfor that kind of rat race.
And I also had this dualinterest in in fitness and
sport.
You know, I was alwaysinterested in sports as a kid as
well.
And so I kind of like started togo down that path a little bit
with my um with my degree.

(37:05):
I worked at a sports um relatedmagazine for a local
sports-related magazine in DCarea for a bit.
Uh, did some freelance writingfor some sports-related
publications.
So they were yeah, so there werekind of those two things going
on.
And so, yeah, and then magicallyover the next 30 years, then I
brought them together.

(37:25):
The fitness and health and andstuff I I put together with the
travel.

SPEAKER_00 (37:29):
It's very cool.
So you went to Washington, DCfor a specific job.
You already had the job linedup, or was there something?

SPEAKER_03 (37:36):
No, I just moved there.

SPEAKER_00 (37:37):
Why did you choose you choose Washington, D.C.?
Well, if you're willing to shareit.

SPEAKER_03 (37:42):
Yeah, yeah.
No, it was, you know, it's justit's a city of a lot of
opportunity.
And I was also a poly sci likeconcentration under my
journalism degree.
My sister was there, one of mysisters was there going to
American University.
I had a friend who was movingthere to actually go to George
Washington for grad school.
I was like, well, why not?
I I wanted to get out of Chicagobecause I went to Northwestern.

(38:06):
So I was like, I don't know, Idon't want to spend another
winter in the Midwest.
That's for sure.
And DC seemed like it could berelatively warm and nice and
exciting.
And it was, it was all of thosethings.
And it was it was fascinating.
It was a great year, a greatplace to live.
I believe every at least everyAmerican should live in DC for
one year.
It's just an education in and ofitself.

(38:26):
You just learn so much, so muchabout the world.

SPEAKER_00 (38:30):
But I know you live in Colorado now, but where did
you grow up around Chicago or inthe Midwest?
It sounds like where did youactually grow up?

SPEAKER_03 (38:36):
Yeah, Michigan.

SPEAKER_00 (38:37):
Michigan.
Michigan.
Okay.
Yeah.
So um Yeah.
Do you I guess I'm sure when youwent to Washington, you
mentioned you kind of a lot ofinternational exposure to
different people from differentplaces.
Did you have that in Michigangrowing up?
Do you remember in high school?
Like did you guys have exchangestudents?
Do you remember uh No, not ohreally?

SPEAKER_03 (38:57):
Not really.
No.

SPEAKER_00 (39:00):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (39:00):
I grew up in a I don't know, you know, I grew up
in Michigan in the eighties inin a semi-industrial area and it
was very blue-collar.

SPEAKER_00 (39:10):
So then my question makes sense.
Do you remember the first personyou met from another country
that that inspired you or hadany influence on your decisions?

SPEAKER_03 (39:19):
Really?
I I think in college was when Iwas first really exposed to
Yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 (39:26):
Oh, journalism.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (39:28):
From all over the world.
I mean, the the school I wentto, you know, Northwestern has a
big international draw.

SPEAKER_02 (39:34):
Yeah, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_03 (39:35):
It's a smaller school, so smaller than the big
state university.
So it had the opportunity to mixand mingle, I think, a little
bit more.
You were less likely to justkind of fall into your pod and
not be exposed.
But I yeah, I got to meet peoplefrom yeah, from all over the
world at Northwestern, and noone really stands out

(39:58):
specifically offhand, but justmore the experience of the
broadening of the aperture ofpossibility.
And you know, college also was aplace where people went on study
abroad.
Unfortunately, the journalismprogram at that time, because of
our requirements, I was not ableto do study abroad.

(40:18):
I really wanted to.
Yeah, I bet.
But my sister did, yeah, myyounger sister did.
And uh friends, you know, I hada lot of friends who did it.
And now, you know, I have twonieces who both did study
abroad, and it's just such anamazing experience.
So I guess I decided to make myown little study abroad later in
life.

SPEAKER_00 (40:36):
That's well, if based on what you told me, you
said you were 22 when you thefirst time you left the country,
other than or North America?

SPEAKER_03 (40:43):
Yeah, yeah.
First time I left for NorthAmerica.

SPEAKER_00 (40:46):
Okay, so and that would have been, I'm guessing,
somewhere around the time youfinished school and moved to
Washington.
So was it before you went toWashington or were uh where did
I want to learn more about thattrip.
Okay, so tell us about thattrip.

SPEAKER_03 (41:00):
Yeah, I went to England.
My sister was uh studying abroadthere, so I went over to visit
with her and spend time withher.
Uh so that was in the early 90s.
And yeah, got my passport, goton the plane.
Now I had flown by myself asyoung as 10.
So I, you know, certainly I wasnot afraid of flying.

(41:23):
I wasn't uh I wasn't worriedabout traveling by myself.
Like I didn't have any of thosefears.
Um yeah, it was it was awesome.
We I landed in London and met upwith her.
She was her program was outsideof the city.
I learned some very importantthings like Leeds Castle is not

(41:43):
in Leeds.
I assumed that Leeds Castle mustbe in Leeds, right?

SPEAKER_00 (41:48):
Yeah, I would that seem reasonable.

SPEAKER_03 (41:50):
Seems reasonable, but not so much.
You know, just learned aboutnavigating.
Well, I was uh living in DC, soand and in Chicago I'd already
used public transportation, sothat was no idea either.
But you know, I was justfascinated by the age of
everything, you know, finding mygrandmother's
great-grandmother's church andyou know, this little hamlet

(42:12):
outside of London.
We did some family historythings, and you know, I have
ancestors from from England andScotland and Ireland, imagine
that with the red hair.
So we, you know, we did someexploring.
My sister and I did someexploring with that, and just it
just was mind-blowing to see allthese things that were built far
before anything I'd everencountered in the US.

(42:35):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was it was cool.

SPEAKER_00 (42:37):
It's interesting as I think back from some previous
conversations I've had here onthe show.
London seems like a I wouldn'tsay, I don't know if I'd say a
common theme, but it yeah, it'sa common theme.
It's surprising how many peoplethat have ended up in tourism
tell me about their kind oftheir first overseas experience
in London.

SPEAKER_02 (42:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (42:54):
Some of it involves a lot of drinking and partying.
Because I don't know, I've neverspent any time in London, but
it's I've noticed that is partof the trend.
I'm not gonna ask you aboutthat.
Don't worry.

SPEAKER_03 (43:03):
You might have gone to a few pubs, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 (43:05):
But it just uh, yeah, I feel like, geez, I
missed the London stage of mylife.
I don't know what I wasthinking, but okay, very cool.
And you were there, you said afew weeks, a couple weeks,
something like that?

SPEAKER_03 (43:15):
Like 10 days.
I think that's as much time as Icould get off of work.
You know, it was the oldest.

SPEAKER_00 (43:20):
Now you had your passport and you had a stamp in
your passport.
So that can kind of open up,open up things.
Yeah, ready to go.
All right.
So uh where did where did wheredo we go from here in this
conversation?
You went to London, that wasyour first trip off you know,
out of North America.
Um, you're still working, yousaid you were working PR
marketing type of stuff orcommunications, I think you

(43:40):
said.
Was that international typestuff?
I can imagine that scenario inWashington.
Or what kind of work are youdoing?
Tell us.

SPEAKER_03 (43:47):
I worked with associations, trade
associations, nonprofits workingin that field.
So actually, that does tie intomy I can't tie that into my
current experience and mycurrent like how I approached my
business because I did work forthis organization.
My first job was with anorganization called the American
Society of AssociationExecutives.

(44:08):
So there's an association foreverything.

SPEAKER_00 (44:10):
It sounds like an association for associations.

SPEAKER_03 (44:14):
Yeah, pretty much.
So I was exposed to the world ofyou know, trade associations,
professional associations,organizations where you bring
together people who have commoninterests, right?
Whether it's business orpersonal or whatever.
And I, you know, was like, wow,there really is an association
for everything.
So when I started my business,when I decided I was gonna put

(44:36):
together this travel thing andadventure travel, I thought,
well, there must be anassociation for adventure
travel, right?
And sure enough, there is.
There is.
So I joined it.

SPEAKER_00 (44:48):
And it was there may be a few that call themselves
that.
So I don't want to make anyassumptions.
Which one are we talking about?

SPEAKER_03 (44:54):
Adventure travel trade association.

SPEAKER_00 (44:56):
I was ninety-nine percent sure that's the one you
were gonna mention.

SPEAKER_03 (44:59):
I just didn't want to know.

SPEAKER_00 (45:01):
Yeah, okay, cool.

SPEAKER_03 (45:03):
Yeah, so I was like Okay.
And I also had a had over theyears gone into business to
business marketing.
And so I thought to myself,well, where is my target
audience going to be?
So if my target audience isadventure, well, people who want
to do adventure travel, aspiringadventurers, well, where are

(45:23):
they gonna hang out?
Where are they gonna go?
Well, they're gonna go tocompanies that take them on
adventure trips.
And where do the where does thewhere do the people who do these
adventure trips hang out?
Well, they hang out at ATTA.
And so I joined and startednetworking.
And my plan was and and is andstill works that I get referrals

(45:47):
from adventure travel companies.
Now that makes sense.
But I thought that's gonna giveme the mass as opposed to just
hoping that Google finds me,which people do find me through
Google and AI and and thingsnow.
But back in the day, it was alittle less, you know, I didn't,
I I needed to get my foot in thedoor.

(46:07):
And understand the industrybecause I was not in the
industry.
I I worked before I quit my job,I was working for a health
insurance company.
So I was new industry, new role,new, you know, everything was
brand new.
I started from ground zero.

SPEAKER_00 (46:24):
Like it was how so because I want to get smooth.
That doesn't have to besmoothly.
We can take the the scenicroute.
But from Washington fromWashington working for the
Association of Associations, orthat's what I heard.

SPEAKER_03 (46:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (46:37):
To do to, I'm working at a health insurance
company and there must be anassociation for it in Colorado.
Uh yeah.
So we took, so let's not missanything big here.

SPEAKER_03 (46:47):
Yeah.
So I I met my husband doingwilderness search and rescue in
DC area.
So I had discovered themountains and that I love to
hike and ride my bike and and doall those things after I moved
to Washington.
And there are lovely mountainsoutside of Washington, or
outside of Washington, DC,Virginia, Maryland, you know,

(47:08):
the Blue Ridge, all that,Shenandoah.
And I just fell in love with allthat.
So when I was not doing my dayjob, I wanted to be outside and
doing all that stuff.
And I decided to join awilderness search and rescue
group in the area, go find lostpeople.
And my husband joined at thesame time.
And so we met doing that.
Then he got transferred for workout to Colorado.

(47:32):
We were both really done withDC.
DC's great for a few years.

SPEAKER_00 (47:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (47:36):
And then if you're not a hardcore political junkie,
it gets really old.

SPEAKER_00 (47:40):
Well, and if you like, I mean, I I heard you say
there's mountains aroundWashington, DC.

SPEAKER_03 (47:44):
Yeah, there's that ton of great recreation, outdoor
recreation.
Colorado.

SPEAKER_00 (47:48):
But Colorado's still a little different.

SPEAKER_03 (47:50):
Yeah, definitely different.
So we he got transferred forwork.
I followed along and we made ourhome here in Colorado in 2000.
And we've been here ever since.
And then, yeah, I just kind ofmy career track trajectory took
me to the health insurance spacebecause I wanted to do something
related to health and wellness.
Okay.
I had gotten my person, I got mypersonal training certification

(48:15):
because I wanted to help peopleactually get healthier.
I really wanted people to helppeople, you know, find the way
to make exercise work in theirlife.
I could see and feel from my ownexperience how how much of a
difference it could make in mylife and my confidence and my
enjoyment and all the things.
So, but I was working this bigcorporate job and I didn't

(48:37):
really have time to do personaltraining clients because you
can't just like say, I gotcalled off to do a photo, you
know, video shoot in Tucson andI gotta go tomorrow and fly down
there.
Sorry, we're not gonna be ableto have your session this week.

SPEAKER_02 (48:49):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (48:50):
I eventually got to the point where the golden
handcuffs were, you know, just alittle too tight, and I was able
to to leave that and and go tothe personal training and
coaching.

SPEAKER_00 (49:01):
So that's kind of a did the did the coaching come
into play before you startedthinking about adventure travel?

SPEAKER_03 (49:12):
Yeah.
So I was doing the yeah, I hadthe personal training.
I decided to add the coachingbecause I was like, yeah, you
know, you can give someone aplan.
Like I said earlier, you cangive someone a plan, but the
coaching is really about how doyou get people to actually make
changes and do thingsdifferently in their life and
sustain and you know, it's thewhole teach people how to fish,
not, you know, not just givethem fish.
And so yeah, I got the thecoaching certification.

(49:34):
I worked with a career coach tofigure out what do I want to do
with all this.
And then she's like, Well, youcould, you know, you could train
people to hike.
And I'm like, Yeah, I don'tknow.
That seems kind of goofy.
But the more I thought about it,the more it became kind of
intriguing.
And so I'm not necessarilyteaching people how to hike, but
I'm teaching people how to orhelping people with progressing
their hiking or their biking orwhatever so that they can do the

(49:56):
things they want to do.
I had a client, a coachingclient who was retiring, and she
that this really actually likecrystallized it for me.
She's like, well, when I retire,I really want to go do these
volunteer experiences down inGuatemala and over in the
Philippines and this sort ofthing.
I want to travel and do thesevolunteer experiences, but I'm
afraid I'm not, you know, it'sgonna be pretty taxing, and I

(50:19):
want to get to the point where Ifeel comfortable doing that.
And I was like, huh, well, maybethat's really light bulb.
And then I thought back to ourexperience.
My husband and I had hiked uhthe Inca Trail to Machu Picchu
years before, but I was like,yeah, people were really
struggling.
It didn't have to be that way.
You know, you didn't you don'thave to struggle.
I mean, it's hard, don't get mewrong.
It could, you know, it'sdefinitely a hard trip.

(50:41):
You know, if you if you prepare,and my experience had been with
doing half marathons andtriathlons and other things,
like if you prepare, then youyou are likely to be able to do
it.
I mean, there can be extenuatingcircumstances, obviously.
But for a lot of these things,they're eminently doable with
with a property.

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So that's how I was born.

SPEAKER_00 (51:05):
I appreciate the the path you just described makes
perfect sense.
And you know, I see more andmore of kind of the outdoor
coaching, um, some travelcoaching stuff.
Was that on your radar?
Did you find that very quick?
Like, did you think you werelike the first one?
Were you the first one?
I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (51:25):
Well, I made it up for myself.
I did do market research becauseI was in marketing.
And after I kind ofconceptualized it, I did go and
say, Is anybody else doing this?
And I found a few people.
Yes, there was somebody else whowas doing a pretty similar thing
to me that I was doing and hadstarted like six or seven years
before I had, but I didn't findthat person until after I had

(51:48):
already like put it alltogether.
So I wasn't copying him.

SPEAKER_00 (51:51):
No, I wasn't, I was not suggesting you copied
anybody.

SPEAKER_03 (51:55):
But you know, there are like more and more of these
kinds of things nowadays.
I feel like in the last kind ofpost-COVID almost, or maybe I
just discovered it.
I discovered this world of nichecoaching as I was doing, you
know, figuring out my ownbusiness and building my own
business.
I've I found more and more ofthese people.
But it is still pretty unusual.

(52:17):
It is a it is definitely anunusual niche.
Most of the people that I talkto say, oh, I've never heard of
such a thing.

SPEAKER_00 (52:23):
So well, that I that's that's interesting
because that was going to bekind of my follow-up question.
Was sometimes when you're theonly one, like I'm just giving
example.
Let's just say you're the onlyone and nobody has a like it
doesn't, there's no awareness ofit as even a product or service.
And sometimes you're like, somepeople might think, oh, well,

(52:45):
being the only one means youhave captured the market.
Yeah, but being the only one iskind of sucks because right.
So you need some other peopleout there to get the word out,
so and then you just have to bethe best one.

SPEAKER_03 (52:57):
Or, you know, it's different coaches and different
different things for differentpeople.

SPEAKER_02 (53:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (53:03):
You know, most many of the the people that I've seen
in this space, there are anumber of males, okay, some
different th than that, and oryounger.
There are some females who aremuch younger.
I'm in my mid-50s and my clientstend to be most 45 up to 70s.

(53:25):
And sometimes they're surprisedwhen they find out how old I am.
But but I can relate to thatthat swath of people who are
later in their careers orretired, and and I have more
experience in that realm thanperhaps some of the others who
are doing this kind of coaching.

SPEAKER_00 (53:43):
Yeah, and I I wouldn't want to say anything
that would knock anybody that'sdoing anything, but yeah, just
that maturity, that you know,the the be the ability to
relate.
And I don't I'm gonna ask youthis because I haven't really
had an opportunity to askanybody with personal training
experience uh this question, butthere's gotta be a lot of

(54:04):
different reasons people dichoose different trainers or
coaches.
But I suspect that intimidationor is a big one, especially
maybe for women.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (54:16):
It can be.
I mean, and it's again, like I'mvery relatable.
I'm not a super athlete.
Sometimes I'm like, oh, but I'mnot as much of an athlete as XYZ
person.
But that could be, like yousaid, intimidating.
But I have I do have experience,relevant experience.
And I think I'm prettyapproachable.
Like again, I was not I thinkso.

SPEAKER_00 (54:36):
I would agree.

SPEAKER_03 (54:37):
I'm pretty I'm I'm certainly the person who likes
to run and go work out, and I'myou know, pretty active.
So from that perspective, Imight be more active.
I am more active than some of myclients, though not all of them.
Like I said, like there aredefinitely people who are as
active, if not more active thanI am, that I work with.
Uh so but I'm in the realm.
Like I'm kind of in thatballpark, if you will.

(54:59):
That's true.

SPEAKER_00 (55:00):
Well, you definitely don't uh come across as the gym
rat.
I don't know, and I don't knowif that I don't know what that
word means.
So please anybody that doesn'tlike me saying that.
Muscle head or whatever, youknow.
The the what's there's one ofthe gyms that no uh whatever the
no something zone, no uh you'rejust nice, you're friendly,
right?
You're outgoing, you you youdon't come across as as

(55:22):
intimidating.
A couple other things that cameup as you were saying that was I
mean, okay, so you've maybeyou've got clients that are
muscle heads.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (55:29):
No, not generally muscle heads, but definitely
people who are like veryaccomplished athletes.

SPEAKER_00 (55:34):
Yeah, yeah.
But the thing about it is like,well, I don't know if Tiger
Woods is a good example, but I'mgonna use it.
Maybe it's not okay.
Maybe he's out of the popularityright now.
But Tiger Woods as a coach, youknow?

SPEAKER_03 (55:47):
That'd be intimidating.

SPEAKER_00 (55:48):
All the big basketball players have coaches,
they're better athletes thantheir coaches are, I guarantee
it.
Right.
And I'm not sure making anyindications about that.

SPEAKER_03 (55:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 (55:59):
Or there's a lot of CEOs of billion-dollar
corporations out there that havebusiness coaches.

unknown (56:04):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (56:05):
I'm sure those business coaches are making
pretty good money as well, butprobably not as much as the CEO,
right?

SPEAKER_02 (56:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (56:10):
So there's there's a lot of value in that.
And I remember a coach I wasworking with about coaching
other people.
He was like, hey, if you're onchapter two, you can help
someone that's on chapter one,right?

SPEAKER_03 (56:22):
That's very common in the in the coaching industry.
They're like, you just have tobe two steps ahead of the
person.
So yeah, from that perspective,yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (56:31):
But also, but also just that just understanding how
to help people get clear ontheir visions and figure out
what's getting in the way.
I mean, uh, I used to joke, I'mnot gonna run a marathon.
I was in the army.
At one point in my life, I wasin pretty good shape and I'm
still in decent shape.
But but I felt like I could, youknow, with some coaching or a
good coach, not me, but a goodcoach that has never ran a minor

(56:53):
ran a marathon, could probablystill be a fairly effective
coach, maybe not the best, butcould still like you know, have
those calls.
Okay, what did you commit tolast week?
What did you actually do?
What got in the way, and whatare you gonna do next week?
You know, that type of thing.
But uh but you add a lot morethan just coaching.
This is you're you know, I Iknow you titled Adventure Travel
Coach, but obviously you add thejust the actual experience of

(57:16):
traveling, and there's so muchmore to it than than that.

SPEAKER_01 (57:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (57:20):
Very, very cool.
Okay, so you got to ATTA.
You were I think that wasbrilliant.
Do you know how I started thispodcast?
I went to ATTA.

SPEAKER_03 (57:30):
There you go.

SPEAKER_00 (57:31):
And I went on their website and I started going down
through the list of people thatI knew would be interesting
because I had been, you know, Ihad been to an ATTA summit in
Africa many years ago.
And I was like, when I thought,who do I want to have
conversations with?
It's the same thing.
It's like people that are doingthis stuff, where do those
people hang out?
You know, so here's a plug forATTA.

SPEAKER_01 (57:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (57:51):
And yeah, I just I went there and did the same
thing, and it sounds brilliant.
As I'm thinking, depending onsomebody to sit down and have
the awareness that they need ayou know, a travel coach and
type that into Google when mostpeople don't have a clue what
travel coach is.

SPEAKER_03 (58:09):
Don't even know it exists.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (58:10):
But here's the thing here's the thing.
You go to a trekking company andsay, Hey, this is what I do.
Can you think of anybody thatmight want that?
They're gonna be like, oh mygosh, that would be great.
Because we've had a lot ofclients or potential clients
that said, I would love to go onyour trip, but I need help.
And what what do you say tosomebody like that?

(58:30):
You say, Well, you could go joina gym, you could, you know, let
us know when you feel likeyou're ready and call back and
we'll set you up on a trip.
It makes perfect sense that theywould say, Or, hey, we know
somebody.

SPEAKER_03 (58:42):
Or I won't necessarily say worse, but they
they go on a trip unprepared andthen they have a terrible time.
And the group maybe has not sucha great time because there's
someone who really is like justnot ready.
And then the company has aproblem too.

SPEAKER_00 (59:01):
Yeah, reviews.

SPEAKER_03 (59:03):
You know, you don't want, yeah, exactly.
You don't want unhappycustomers.
So, you know, my valueproposition is I know here I am
in marketing speak is it's awin-win-win.
Everybody wins.
Like if someone comes and workswith me, they're gonna have a
better time, the group is gonnahave a better time, the guide's
gonna have a better time becauseit's gonna be easier.

(59:25):
Better reviews, better reviews,referral.
Everybody wins.
It's a no-win propos, it's ano-lose proposition.
Nobody loses.

SPEAKER_00 (59:32):
I this is a great conversation because so many of
our listeners are touroperators, and maybe they've
already connected with you, orthey maybe they're way ahead of
me.
This is when I was more activeas a tour operator.
Honestly, I'd never heard of it.
Like, you know, that was 20years ago.
But I'm imagining now.
Yeah, I mean, I work with someclients that are tour operators
doing their marketing stuff.

(59:54):
Sometimes I help put togethertrip planners.
I'm like, what a great thing.
You got a section in there.
Hey, you know, before your trip,you might want to consider at
least having a conversation withsomebody like Becky.
Absolutely you know, to youknow, to just have a
conversation with her about anyconcerns you might have.
And uh it's just part of theprocess.
That's brilliant.
That's exactly what you'redoing, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:14):
That's exactly how it works is with it with the the
folks that I'm uh you knowactively partner with, they put
my information on their website,in their materials, you know,
that you know, 90 day out email,right?
You've probably worked on a fewof those.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:31):
And by the way, it's three months out.
If you haven't already startedyour your training for
Kilimanjaro, yeah, now's a goodtime to think about it.
Actually, for Killy, it might bea little late to think about it
if you haven't really started.
Um, but certainly at threemonths, like that's a kind of a
wake-up call.
And uh, oh yeah, this is comingup.
I booked it, you know, six, ninemonths a year ago.

(01:00:54):
And all of a sudden you're like,oh, yeah, it looks like that
you've never had that experiencebefore, Jason.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:59):
It just you can see the look on my face.
It's like, oh yeah, I was yeah,I was involved in a in a program
where you set these kind of biggoals and you had like four
months to do it.
And yeah, I remember reachingout to a coach about two weeks
before.
Hey, I still have 20 pounds tolose in the next two weeks.
Can you help me?

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:21):
Yeah, 20 pounds.
Good luck.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:22):
No, no, no, I did it, but it was really, really,
really miserable and probablynot the safest way.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:28):
Probably not the healthiest thing.
Yeah, but so that's how it workswith the tour operators is yeah,
they they send people my way andyou know, then I I pick up the
ball and take it from there.
If someone wants to work withme, great.
And if they just want to talkand they just want some advice,
that's fine too.
I just love to do this stuff.
I love to help people.
If you do wanna, if they do wantto work with me, you know, I

(01:01:48):
have several levels of packagesand I customize things based on
how much support people want.
And, you know, my goal is reallyto make it easy for all of us.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:57):
I'm afraid to ask you this, but what's the most
frustrating part of your job?
We can edit this out later ifyou're like, Jason, this was
going so well.
And then I started talking aboutpeople that don't listen to my
coaching or whatever.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:09):
I love it.
No, seriously, it's hard for meto think of what's the most
frustrating.
I think the most frustrating isactually honestly, is not having
more clients.
Like I just it has taken a lotof time, like you said, to to
make people the to build theawareness.
And I feel like you know, I'mbiased, but again, I feel like

(01:02:30):
it's a no-brainer.
But sometimes it's like pullingteeth to get people to
understand, you know, that thisreally is just like something
easy that you can offer orgetting enough, getting people
to to really get it.
So that's the most frustratingthing is that people will just
be like, oh, that sounds great.
That sounds really cool.

(01:02:50):
I'm like, okay, so why do I nothave a million clients?
I've not thought I would want amillion clients, but but that is
like it's interesting because itis such an unusual thing that
it's it's just taken a lot oftime and effort to to build that
awareness.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:07):
Where's the I don't know, I'm not sure how to ask
this, but where's the the point?
Not where it breaks down,because obviously, you know,
it's working.
You'd like to help more peopleget that.
But where does it break down?
Because I'm imagining youapproach the tour operator, and
the tour operator's like, great,this is awesome.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:23):
You know, they are busy people.
You know, there's a lot ofmoving parts.
Tour operators have a ton goingon.
I completely appreciate thatthey have so many things that
they're trying to manage.
And the feedback I've gottenfrom some.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:36):
But what you do helps them, right?
So help me understand whatyou're saying.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:44):
Yeah.
Some some tour operators arejust like, you know what?
It's it's it's just one morething that I have to Yeah, and
it's just one more thing I haveto manage or think about or
handle when you know what Ireally need is for my, you know,
travel insurance vendor to be ondeck.
And I really, really need tohave, you know, there's just the

(01:04:07):
list is long.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:09):
So your struggle is figuring out how to make it eas
easier for them to incorporateit, but at the same time
coaching them.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:18):
What's getting in the way?
Well, it I again, I get it.
And and some people are like,you know what?
All our people are great.
All our people come on trips,they're they're good to go.
We don't have any problems withthat.
Whether that is a thing wherethey think there's no problem,
and maybe there is, or maybethere's not.
Maybe they do really get alltheir clients are really
qualified.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:39):
Here's the thing.
Okay, and maybe they're justhappy only working with people
that are ready to go.

unknown (01:04:45):
Yeah, that's fine.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:46):
It's pretty, it's pretty easy to I I'm just
thinking out loud here.
If I could be like, no, all ofour clients made it to the top
of Kilimanjaro last year, wedon't have a problem.
Okay, but what about the 10% ofclients that didn't book because
you weren't able to give themthe confidence that we can help
you make this work?

(01:05:07):
It's just uh black or white.
Like, if we think you can do it,we'll tell you you can do it and
we'll book you.
And if you come with to us withany doubt at all, we say, you
know what, maybe this isn'tright for you.
We can't help you.
Yeah.
Well, it might be fine, but theymight also subconsciously be
doing that.
That's where I'm going with it.
Yeah, it's you know, when theperson has these concerns and

(01:05:29):
says, Can you connect me withsomebody that can help me get
ready?
Can you, is there somebody onyour team that I can talk to
once a week as I'm gettingready?
And they're like, Yeah, I'msorry, we just we really don't
know anybody.
That would be the opportunity toget more clients and work with
somebody like you to help themget prepared.
So now that instead of having100 clients that meet at the top

(01:05:50):
of Colombandaro, maybe they'vegot 120.
And you know what?
Those 20 that worked withsomebody like you that had all
those doubts and concerns goingin, and the company referred
them to you.
Those 20 people are gonna be theones that write the best
reviews.
I guarantee it.
Right?
Yeah, yeah.
I'm preaching to the choir,aren't I?

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:08):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:09):
You've thought this out.
Let's do this.
Yeah, you should do that.
That's a good idea, Becky.
You should do that.
Anyway, I just I think it'sfascinating.
I'm just I'm just interested init.
So thanks for indulging with me.
Um all right, very cool.
We've we've discussed a bunch ofthings.
Did we miss any big gaps in inhow you got there or maybe
starting the business that youwant to touch on?

(01:06:30):
Or basically, what I'm trying toask you is Becky, what did I
forget to ask you?
What do you wish I would haveasked you so we don't miss out
any on anything before we wrapup?

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:39):
Well, I'll go back to I kind of redirected you
earlier when you said, How doyou how do you work with
clients?
Like what what's the process?
I'm easily distract distracted.
So maybe let's circle back onthat because people might be
wondering, you know, this hasbeen a super fun conversation,
but people might be stillwondering, like, well, how does
this actually work?

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:59):
Thank you.
Thank you.
Hey, you should you should starta podcast.
You're good at this.
Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:05):
How does it work?

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:05):
How does it work?

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:06):
How does it work?
Yeah.
So I imagine, you know,consultation call and people
come to me.
So I develop a customizedtraining plan for them.
And then we have coachingsessions based on basically how
much support that they want orneed.
Usually at least three sessions.
So I have a kickoff session withthem and then two other sessions

(01:07:26):
between the time we start andthe time of their trip.
But it could be as often asweekly.
I do have some clients who wantto do like weekly 30-minute
sessions.
These are often the people whowant more accountability, who
just, you know, want that extrasupport.
Some people are every other weekfor an hour or every three weeks
for an hour.
I really customize it basedagain what people want.

(01:07:49):
And during those sessions, so Ideveloped the plan.
It's always changeable.
We can always modify it based onlife, right?
You know, again, back to the,you know, you've twisted your
ankle, you have an Achillesflare-up, you, you know, have
kids are sick, you're sick,whenever parents are sick, life
happens.
We can recalibrate it wheneveryou need.

(01:08:10):
And then the coaching sessionsare to work through things like
challenges you're running into,celebrating, but also
celebrating wins, celebratingthose victories, digging into,
yeah, any like things that arecoming up, like my gosh, I just,
you know, I'm not really sure Ican do this.
You know, overcoming fears,things like that.

(01:08:31):
And gear consultation, which hasbeen, which is always fun.
Uh, but I, you know, I surprisedat the number of people who were
like, Will you just go through?
Like, can we just like gothrough my bed full of stuff and
we can look at everything andyou can tell me what to take
with me and what not to takewith me?
Or, you know, or like, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:53):
Everything, every outdoor piece of equipment they
have ever accumulated on theother.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:57):
Well, they usually windowed it down.
Like, do I take this jacket orthis jacket, or you know, but or
just, you know, I I need whatbrand of trekking poles do you
like?
You know, you should things likethat.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:08):
Man, if I'm a tour operator and you come to me and
say, Not, you know, I want towork with your clients that need
support, and that includes thechecklist part.
Here's because that's where yousave the tour operator time is
you say, look, anybody that youknow books me, does coaching
with me, I will handle all thosecheck those uh packing list
questions.
And then they're like, ooh,maybe this is a good idea, maybe

(01:09:30):
she's gonna save us some time.
I don't know, it's just athought that popped into it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:33):
I'll refer them back to their tour operator for some
things, but I'm sure.
I'm sure I don't want to takethe liability on that one.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:40):
Well, yeah, because we don't want them showing up
with the wrong thing and thenwell, Becky told me.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:44):
Yeah.
Becky told me I didn't needhiking boots.
Yeah, right.
No, the bottom line is like thatthe the coaching time is their
time.
Whatever's on your mind, likewhat's keeping you up at night,
what's you know, what's comingup in your everyday life that's
that's challenging, whatbenchmarks do you want to set?
How do you want to measure yourprogress?

(01:10:04):
How do you want to build yourconfidence?
It's a lot about buildingconfidence in your ability to do
this.
So a lot of the coaching is justyeah, kind of around all those
things, especially the stuff youtalked about, we talked about in
the beginning.
What's your vision?
What do you what do you want toget out of this?
And how do we how do you bringthat to fruition?

unknown (01:10:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:25):
For some reason, as I as I listen to you discuss
this, I'm I'm thinking, like,actually just had this
conversation with someonerecently about how I've heard
the body doesn't really know thedifference between anxious, like
or nervous or excited?
So I guess the question I wantto ask you is like, do you feel
like most of the women or or menor just clients, just people, do

(01:10:48):
you think they start out mostlyscared or excited, or do they
are they able to put theirfinger on it?
What what comes across when theyhave that first call with you?
Is it, oh, I booked this tripand now I'm scared?
Or I booked this trip yesterday,I'm so excited to start
planning.
What is it?
What does it usually sound like?

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:05):
Excited.
Yeah.
But with a I mean, uh, one of myconsultation call questions is
always like, what are you mostconcerned about?
Because if you're not concerned,you wouldn't be talking to me,
right?

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:18):
So, you know, people have concerns, but they're
mostly excited.
I would say, you know, 70, 80%excited and and wanting to do
like do the things that arenecessary so that they can
realize that dream.
And there's a, you know,depending on the person, 10, 20,
30, 40% of it that is holy crap,what did I decide for?

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:42):
I just put down my deposit, it's non-refundable.
And yeah, I I I told my sisterand she told me I was crazy, and
oh my gosh, now I'm scaredbecause I don't wanna I don't
wanna tell her she was right, soI gotta make this work type of
thing, I can imagine.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:57):
Or there's like, yeah, people are like, I told
all my friends I was doing this,so now I really gotta do it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:03):
Which actually is like a probably a coaching
technique sometimes.
I don't know what your yourapproach is, but it's like,
yeah, you know, the more it'sthat accountability.
Now you've got your whole familyholding you accountable, but
that also can create somescaredness and some problems if
something happens, right?

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:18):
Well, and that's what I talk to people about too,
and that's part of some of thecoaching too, is like, okay, so
what if you don't make it to thetop of Kilimanjaro?
Because there are a lot ofreasons you might not.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:28):
Weather, illness, you know, there's a lot of
things just out there.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:32):
People fall down going up the stairs.
There's reasons that you mightnot make it to the second story
of your house.
So yeah, and you're talkingabout Kilimanjaro, you know,
something might happen.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:41):
Yeah.
So it's it's it's all it's superfun, though.
I really love it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:46):
It's do you have the opportunity I'm sure you get
feedback and I'm sure youconnect, but I I I just want to
ask directly like is there likea after action review, like when
they get home?
Do you have another call withthem?

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:59):
We have a debrief.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:01):
Yeah.
Yeah, that's cool.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:02):
Yeah.
We do a debrief call.
I mean, if people want it, Imean, most people do.
I would say probably 80, 90% ofmy clients, we have a debrief.
And, you know, I ask them whatwhat they are glad they did,
what they wish they, you know,what advice do they have for me
of things that I could have donebetter that they they wish they
would have done more of orknown?

(01:13:25):
Yeah, we definitely have adebrief, and that's really
valuable for all of us.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:29):
I'm curious, have you had the situation where
you've you've had a um uh whatdo you call it, your first call?
Is it a discovery call type ofthing?
What do you what yeah,consultation.
Consultation.
Have you have you had situationswhere you do the consultation
and then they either disappearor just flat out say, nah, I
don't think so.
And then this is a two-partquestion.

(01:13:51):
One is, and then they call youback a week before the trip.
Or two, or two, okay, good.
Or two, do they come back likedo they hey I'm doing
Kilimanjaro?
I'm thinking about this.
Oh, okay, no, I'm not gonna, I'mnot gonna hire you.
They go do Kilomanjaro, and thena year later they say, Okay, now
I'm doing Ever Space Camp and Ishould have booked you.

(01:14:13):
I I learned my lesson, I shouldhave booked you the first time.
I'm just curious if thathappens.
No, okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:20):
I've had people say that they realized from a
previous trip that they reallywould benefit from this kind of
service.
But nobody who had been in touchwith me before and decided not
to has come back.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:32):
I just wanted to ask you like, I told you so.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:35):
No, no, no.
Of course I would never saythat.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:37):
You would do that.
You're you're you're too nicefor that.
But all right, this is uh verycool.
So we got we got through theprocess that you reminded me
that we definitely wanted to getthrough.
What else?
Is there anything else that youwant to leave with our listeners
before we go?

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:49):
I just you know like to encourage people to go ahead
and pursue what they want to do.
And you know, some people Ithink say, Oh, now I'm too old,
or you know, I'm too this or I'mtoo that.
But just just let's let's giveit a try.
Let's see how see what we can dobecause it's not gonna get any
easier.

(01:15:10):
Nobody's getting any younger.
Nobody's getting any younger.
So I have with people again withpeople in their 70s.
And it's it's really inspiringto me.
It's really inspiring to me towork with my clients and who go
do all this stuff when they're Ilike I still got, you know, I
still got 20 years.
That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:31):
Yeah.
Not cool.
And I can going back to the, youknow, maybe they've got a
partner that's just notenthusiastic, has no desire to
go do these things.
They don't have friends orfamily that are gonna talk them
up.
So if you're surrounded by that,it's easy to just yeah, I guess
I'm too, I'm too old.
My my partner's telling me, whatare you crazy?
You're too old.
You, you know, you wake up inthe morning complaining about

(01:15:53):
how your legs hurt and now youwant to go climb Kilimanjaro or
whatever.
So they're not getting a lot ofpositive reinforcement and
support.
Yeah.
And so for somebody that'sliving, you know, with you know,
their loved ones around them arekind of like that, it's easy for
us to say, well, just go do it.
But nobody else in their life istelling them to just go do it.
Right.

(01:16:13):
So I love that you're able to doa tour operator might on a sales
call.
So yeah, you should just go doit.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:19):
Absolutely.
But to have somebody that couldbe clear, I'm not saying that
anybody and everybody shouldnecessarily do it.
Let's just have a conversation,you know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:28):
Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, exactly.
That's the point is, you know,if you've got something in your
head that's like, I really wouldlike to do this, but no, but
everybody around me thinks, youknow, I'm crazy for whatever
reason, and maybe it's becausetheir partner didn't want you
spending the money.
Maybe it has nothing to do with,you know, whatever it is.
So at least have a conversationwith somebody that that is, you

(01:16:49):
know, that can tap into thatpart of your brain or your heart
that's saying, I want to go doit before you make any
decisions, right?
So yeah, that's very cool.
I'm really happy we had thisconversation.
I knew it was gonna befascinating.
Honestly, it it was I don't wantto say it was a lot better than
I thought because that makes itsound like I didn't think it
would be a great conversation.
But I'm just really, reallyhappy we we did it.
And uh thank you so much forsharing your your insights,

(01:17:12):
experiences, and uh just yourenergy.
It's great.
Thank you so much, Becky.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:15):
Thanks, Jason.
Yeah, thank you too.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:19):
Yep, we'll do it again soon.
We've still have more stuff totalk about, I'm sure.
So all right, thanks, Becky.
All right, bye.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:25):
Take care, bye bye.

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