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Nine thousand four
hundred people voted on a single
Reddit post last week.
The questions was is AI about toeliminate middle management
entirely?
Some said yes, some said goodriddance.
Most said nothing.
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You know why?
Because they were terrified.
I want to talk about what isunderneath that terror because
it has nothing to do with yourLinkedIn profile and everything
to do with your brain.
My name is Saharan Andradi.
I am your AI whisperer.
I am a neuroscience-basedleadership consultant or a
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neuroleadership consultant.
I work with executives and thepeople who report to them.
And what I see right now inorganizations is not a talent
crisis, it's a nervous systemcrisis.
Let's get into it.
As I always say, leadershipdoesn't fail, nervous systems
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do.
Here is what is actuallyhappening.
Middle managers are being toldthey are the bridge between
strategy and execution.
At the same time, they are beingtold AI is going to handle the
coordination, the scheduling,the data sentences, the progress
tracking.
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So what exactly is the bridgefor?
If the river is being automated,that question doesn't have a
clean answer yet.
And your brain does not likeunanswered questions.
Here is the neuroscience.
The brain runs a continuousthreat assessment 24 hours a
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day.
It's asking one question on aloop.
Am I safe?
And safety for the human brainis not just physical, it
includes status, certainty,belonging, autonomy.
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When any of those arethreatened, the amygdala fires.
Our threat center for survivalfires.
Cortisol, the stress hormone,spikes.
The prefrontal cortex, whichhandles strategy, creativity,
and complex decisions, goesoffline.
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That is not a metaphor, it's ameasurable neurological event.
So when a middle manager readsheadlines about AI replacing the
raw, their brain is not readinga business article, it's
processing a survival threat.
And you cannot think your wayout of a survival response.
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You can only regulate your waythrough it.
So what does this cost?
It costs the organization theone thing AI cannot replicate.
Middle managers are notcoordination machines, they are
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trust infrastructure.
They hold the relational tissuebetween a C-suite that cannot
see the floor and the frontworkers who feel unseen.
What that tissue does when it'sdysregulated, it frays.
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I had a director reach outrecently.
She said she had stoppedadvocating for her team in
senior meetings.
Not because she didn't care, butbecause she was exhausted from
fighting battles that feltalready decided.
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She went quiet.
Her team noticed, and guess whathappened?
Her team started going quiettoo.
That silence cost theorganization ideas they never
got to hear, innovations theynever got to apply, creativity
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they never got to practice.
Here is what the data says.
When status threat is chronic,chronic means it keeps going on
and on and on, somethingspecific happens in the brain's
reward system.
The ventral seratum, whichactivates when we feel valued
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and purposeful, goes completelydark.
Dark offline.
When the structure goes dark,it's like putting a brakes on a
car.
Motivation drops, initiativedrops, risk taking drops.
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Creativity and innovation cometo a halt.
You get a manager who isphysically present and
strategically absent.
This is not laziness.
That is neurobiology.
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And here is the number thatshould wake every executive up.
Global manager counts havedropped more than six percent in
three years.
Global manager counts havedropped more than six percent in
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three years.
Not because companies do notneed leadership, because they
cut the layer that holdseverything together while
assuming AI would fill the gap.
It has not.
So what do you do?
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First, you stop treating this asa skills problem.
If you go on the internet,LinkedIn, Quora, Reddit,
Subreddit, you're gonna see thisitem all over the place.
People are just scared that AIwill replace them.
Leaders are scared that AI willreplace them.
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Even executives, they aresuffering from something that we
call FOBO.
Not FOMO, not fear of missingout, but FOBO, fear of becoming
obsolete.
But no one talks about it, theykeep it inside, their brain is
running on empty because theprefrontal cortex is just
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offline.
The survival is taking over.
And again, you cannot walk yourway out of a survival mechanism
of your brain.
You can just regulate the brain,but no one is talking about
that.
And I see it every single day onthe LinkedIn posts.
Everybody is talking aboutbetter strategy, better
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implementation, betterintegration, how we can let AI
become better, how we can trainour employees better, how we can
have a better strategy for thenext 90 days.
And and the the one that reallygets to me every time is when
executives that know inside ofthemselves that they don't
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really understand what AI is orwhat's the plan or what's gonna
happen in three months, right?
They're having whiplash becauseevery single day AI is changing
and they cannot keep up, butthey expect the implementation
and integration to be done in 90days without even offering
coaching for their teams.
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They just bark the orders, theygive it to their teams, and
their teams should do it.
And that's why we have quitequitting from people.
They say, hey, you know what?
If my boss doesn't want to doit, I'm not gonna do it either.
I'm just gonna be here, I'mgonna listen, I'm gonna go to
training, I'm gonna nod my head,I'm gonna write a couple of
scribbles on my paper, and thenthat's it.
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I'll be done.
They want me to do the training,I'll do the training.
And that's what is going on.
Total disconnection.
No one is talking about the realreason, the root of the problem.
Like I always say, we keeptreating the symptoms that will
keep coming back with avengeance.
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Maybe it's my medicalbackground.
We always go to the root of theissue, take care of it so it
doesn't come back.
Dealing with symptoms is likebasically sweeping a problem
under the rug that will keepgrowing like a cancer cell in
the darkness.
No one is talking about AI inchange management terms, in
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human-centered leadership way,or in human-centered AI way.
That's not how it works.
It's change management, andchange management is 80% humans.
20% processes.
But even before AI, mostorganizations dealt with change
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management at 80% processes, 20%humans.
That's why you have theresistance, that's why the
change management doesn't work.
That's why most of the changemanagements were failing.
And now we see that in AI.
There are survey after surveyand a study after study and a
research after research thatmore than 85% of the AI projects
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are failing.
Why they're failing?
Because they're not taking careof the human element in it.
We have to go back to thebasics.
We have to go back to the rootof the issue: the human brain.
We are pushing our teams to theedge.
We are pushing our teams tooverwhelm.
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We are pushing our teams tomisalignment, and we are pushing
our teams to dysregulations.
But the solution is actuallyreally, really easy.
Human-centered leadership.
Human-first policy.
Human-centered AI.
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So, what do we do?
First, you stop treating this asa skills problem.
You cannot upskill your way outof a dysregulated nervous
system.
You can't.
It just doesn't work that way.
The human brain, the humananatomy was not created that
way.
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You cannot go against the flowin this one.
You cannot.
So, and again, the solution isextremely easy.
So, what do we do?
Because every AI trainingprogram that lands on a
threat-activated brain bouncesoff.
Like I said, people will nodtheir head, will look at the
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trainer, will scribblesomething, maybe will do an
exercise or two, will feel goodfor a second, and the minute
they get out of the door, it'slike it's never happened.
Because the person sits throughthe training, they remember
almost nothing because there isa threat-activated brain.
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They go back to their desks moreanxious actually than before.
Regulation has to come first.
What does that look likepractically?
Before you redesign the middlemanager role, you answer three
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questions for the person in thatrole.
So, what are the threequestions?
One, what is staying?
It's like when you do changemanagement.
The first thing, the right thingto do in change management, to
quiet the minds, to provide lessstress, is to tell them what is
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not changing.
That's how the real way to startchange management properly, to
reduce resistance.
You get their agreement, you gettheir buy-in by quieting their
mind from the threat and fromthe worry, from shutting down
the prefrontal cortex that helpsthem think.
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So, question number one that youask or that you answer is what
is staying?
Two, what is mind to own that AIcannot touch?
And what does that mean?
It gives the human something toown, to know that they are good
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at this, that no one else canduplicate their effort.
And guess what?
There is a lot of things thathumans can do that AI cannot do,
like reading room, like knowingwhen someone has anxiety, like
proper decision making, likestrategic thinking.
Okay.
And number three, where do I fitin the future you are building?
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And this way we are lesseningthe threat, and they can see and
visualize themselves where theycan be in the future.
When someone knows exactly wherethey are going, like if they
have a GPS going to a newdirection, their brain is calm.
Why?
Because they know they have thetool and the ability to get
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where they want to go.
So you're actually giving themthe calmness from their
dysregulated nervous system.
So I'm gonna repeat the threequestions again.
One, what is staying?
Two, what is mine to own that AIcannot touch?
Three, where do I fit in thefuture you're building?
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Certaintity is not a softbenefit.
Certainty activates theprefrontal cortex, like I said.
It literally allows the brain tothink again.
It brings the prefrontal cortex,our problem solving and
decision-making center of thebrain online after being
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offline.
The managers who are thrivingright now are not the ones with
the most AI skills.
They are the ones who knowexactly where they stand.
They have clarity on theirirreplaceable contributions.
They have a regulated nervoussystem that can actually process
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what AI is asking of them.
That is what my brain frameworkaddresses.
Not the technology, human first,the human nervous system
navigating the technology.
You cannot separate these twothings.
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If you are a middle manager andyou recognize yourself in what I
just described, I want you tohear this.
You are not obsolete.
Your brain is just scared, and ascared brain needs safety before
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it can be strategic, before itcan go back online.
If you are a CHRO or anexecutive watching your middle
layer go quiet, that silence iscosting you more than any AI
tool is saving you.
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I have free assessment that Ican put the link for you in the
description here.
That assessment takes 10minutes.
It tells you exactly where yourorganization stands in the AI
integration process and wherethe human gaps are.
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And if you want to talkdirectly, you can book a clarity
leadership call.
30 minutes, no pitch, justclarity.
Links are in the show notes.
I will see you Friday.
And as usual, before I leave, Iask you to show me some love.
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I really appreciate you.
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This is Sahar Andradi.
Until we meet on Friday, peaceout.