August 25, 2026 • 24 mins
How do Olympic athletes control their nerves when everything is on the line? In this episode recorded live at the 2026 SHOT Show, hosts Erica Chin and Maggie Reese interview Team USA Olympic pistol shooter Alexis Lagan. Alexis walks listeners through her journey from being a 2016 Olympic alternate to competing on the world stage in Tokyo and Paris. She breaks down her unique mental framing techniques, including a simple "doctor's office" visualization that teaches athletes to acknowledge anxiety without letting it ruin their focus.
Alexis emphasizes that true mental control comes from consistency, self-coaching, and viewing learning as a continuous spiral rather than a linear path. She also highlights how the focus and responsibility developed through shooting sports help young athletes succeed in school and life. Viewers and aspiring shooters interested in mental management or one-on-one coaching can connect directly with Alexis through her Instagram profile @lagan1515.
Links
- 03:45 - Paris 2024 Olympic Shooting Venue (Châteauroux Shooting Centre)
- 04:02 - IPSC (International Practical Shooting Confederation)
- 06:07 - Almasa Hotel / New Cairo Olympic City (International training and competition complex in Egypt)
- 15:09 - Sport Pistol Rapid Fire (Olympic shooting event rules and execution process)
- 22:20 - Periodization in Marathon Running (Training structure methodology recommended for mental and physical conditioning)
- 23:40 - @lagan1515 (Alexis Lagan's official Instagram profile for coaching and inquiries)
Key Takeaways
- Nerves are a natural sign that you care about the outcome; the goal is to manage them rather than eliminate them completely.
- The "doctor's office" visualization helps process high-stress emotions by letting them "wait in the lobby" until you are ready to address them.
- Shooting sports require total presence in the moment, offering a rare opportunity to disconnect from outside distractions.
- Learning and performance follow a spiral rather than a straight line, requiring a balance between physical mechanics and mental conditioning.
- Self-coaching, facial expressions, and internal self-talk directly influence how the subconscious mind responds under pressure.
Keywords Used Amateurs and Experts Podcast, SHOT Show 2026, Alexis Lagan, Team USA, Olympic Pistol Shooter, Air Pistol, Sport Pistol, Tokyo Olympics, Paris Olympics, Chateauroux, Visualization, Mental Mindset, Doctor's Office Visualization, Periodization, Coaching.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:14):
Welcome to Amateurs and Experts Podcast.
I'm Erica Chin and I'm here withMaggie Reese.
We're in um the Otis TechnologyBooth 2026 Shot Show, and we
have such a special guest.
I uh I fangirl sometimes, andI'm a little fangirlish right
now, uh Alexis Lagan, uh US uhTeam USA.
(00:37):
Olympian, huh?
SPEAKER_00 (00:39):
Go USA.
I know, right?
SPEAKER_01 (00:41):
Welcome.
SPEAKER_00 (00:42):
Thank you.
It's so great to be here.
I love being at SHAT Show.
SPEAKER_02 (00:46):
I know we were just talking about though the fact
that they keep expanding andexpanding.
So to get from one end to theother, it is like a country
mile.
Like it is a hike.
SPEAKER_00 (00:55):
Some of these areas, like they're so new still that I
get totally lost in them.
I mean, the downstairs area hasbeen open for years, and I still
will be like, Where am I?
My phone doesn't work and I'mjust lost and scared.
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (01:09):
And sometimes like people will move their boots,
you know, but then I recognizelandmarks, and so then I go to
the wrong spot because I I'mlike, no, I am programmed to
always come here.
SPEAKER_00 (01:19):
Or you expect them to be shaped a different way,
and all of a sudden you getthere and you're like, Why is
there a wall right here?
It's supposed to be open.
I don't know where I am.
SPEAKER_02 (01:26):
Right.
No, but it's fun, just like theenergy that's here.
It starts to become contagious,and you're just like, oh my
gosh, we're in the heart of it.
SPEAKER_00 (01:32):
So it really does.
I love being able to see all ofour friends here too and catch
up with them, especially sincein sport I don't get to see a
whole lot of like the shotgunpeople, and sometimes I see them
here, and uh I get to see allthe fun, like steel challenge
people and ISBCA and everything,and it's just cool to be able to
catch up with everybody.
SPEAKER_02 (01:50):
Yes, I I know that is the one thing about Chacho is
that you get to see the samefaces, sometimes the only time
for the year though.
Right.
But it's super cool.
SPEAKER_01 (01:58):
So uh tell us about the Olympics, how many like how
many years, because I knowyou've been there for several
Olympics, um, how does uh hashas how how has it evolved over
the years?
SPEAKER_00 (02:12):
And you know, I'm sure the first time you went to
the Olympics it was likeamazing, but does it ever nerve
wracking ever stop being amazingor no, and so the amazing part
about this is with um my firstrun at the Olympics was in 2016,
and really I had only beentraining since 2015 at that
point for the Olympics.
(02:32):
So I didn't have a whole lot ofexpectations.
However, I was the uh alternatefor women's air pistols, so it
turned into kind of this reallycool thing.
I'm like, I'm right there on theprecipice of it, and so I ended
up going up to the trainingcenter during the Olympics and
being a social media intern,which was cool.
I got to see a little peekbehind the the wall and the
curtain of the Olympics of whatgoes on for the athletes there,
(02:55):
which kind of gave me a greatpreface of what was the Olympics
going to be like when I go.
Then for uh Tokyo, I made theteam right before COVID, started
up and the world shut down, andso that Olympics was so
different because of COVID.
Um there were so many moreparameters and so many different
things where my veteran friendsthat had been to a couple
(03:15):
Olympics are like, oh, this isso different than the Olympics,
like this isn't as good as thethe real Olympics without COVID
and everything else, which in mymind I'm like, what are you
talking about?
This is amazing, like this is socool.
I got to be in the Olympicvillage, and we wandered around
with all of these differentsports, and um it was just
incredible to be there.
(03:37):
Uh and the people were so sweetand kind and so excited to have
the Olympics in their theirhometown.
It was very cool to witness andbe a part of.
Then we had Paris, and forParis, uh the shooting sports
were actually three hours southof Paris.
So we stayed in a satellitevillage in Chaterou, and that
was a cool experience too,because Chateau is this small
(03:58):
village down south of Paris.
SPEAKER_02 (04:02):
I've actually competed there.
So random.
I was like, wait a second, threehours south of France.
I was there.
I know, but I did it for IPSC,so and I was uh shooting a
pistol world championship there.
And so it it's so interesting,like the places that you get to
go, like that you would normallylike never pick to go on a
(04:23):
vacation.
Of course, that's the that's theyou know complex part of it, but
it's still you get to see thesedifferent areas of the world and
such an appreciation, you know,to go from like Japan and Tokyo
and then go to France and go toEurope.
So you've gotten to go so manycool places.
SPEAKER_00 (04:41):
I've gotten to go places where you know you would
hope to get to go to onvacations, and then I've
definitely been to places whereyou would never expect to go.
Um, so for example, uh we'vedone a lot of world
championships out in uh Cairo,and it's not in Cairo proper.
Like we fly into Cairo, but thenwe drive to what they call new
Cairo, and it's this whole cityoutside of the original Cairo
(05:06):
that they are building.
It's kind of like Dubai, whereit's a paid city, like they're
building the city and thenthey're moving the people in.
And so they have this big likeuh Olympic setup.
They're hoping to, they'retrying to make a run for the
summer 2020 or 2036 Olympics or38 Olympics, that's the one.
And uh no six, you're right,sorry.
(05:28):
So they're making the run forthe 2036 Olympics, and uh
they've got this whole Olympicvillage set up.
However, because nobody actuallylives there, it's constantly
like new things are being addedto it, new things are being
changed to it.
So, like one time we showed upand they had a fountain, and
then the next time we showed up,they tore out that fountain,
they put in something different,and they're trying this now and
(05:50):
they're looking at it.
It's just really interesting.
Um, and it really and truly isin the middle of Egypt, like way
out there, like you just drivefor miles and it's just dirt,
and then all of a sudden it'slike this huge city.
SPEAKER_02 (06:06):
Nobody lives there, not exactly some place that you
would have picked on the map andsaid, I'm gonna go on vacation.
SPEAKER_00 (06:11):
Very odd.
And we stay in um a resortcalled Almasa.
We're really privileged, we getto go there.
Um, not all of the teams get togo there, some of them stay back
in Cairo.
Um, but we get to stay at thisparticular village because
security and requirements forthe United States for our
athletes, and uh I mean, eventhis village area or this
(06:32):
Almasa, it's where like thepresident of Cairo or President
of Egypt has like a resort homein this resort village.
Wow.
But like one time I was walkingthrough and uh it was a group of
us, we were coming from theirgym and going back to the hotel,
and as we're walking, a snakecrosses our path, and it's this
(06:53):
little tiny black snake, it'sonly this big.
And um Sajin Magdalena, she's uhincredible shooter, like silver
medalist, just like most coolperson.
I have major girl crush on her.
Um she and I were both like,what is it?
So she starts poking it with herwater bottle and starts striking
at her and oh my god, um, it's apoisonous.
(07:17):
Our teammate Lucas is like, stopit, another silver medalist and
rifle, and he's like, stopplaying with the snake in the
desert, like we don't know whatwe're playing with.
I lift it up later, it's one ofthe most poisonous snakes in
like what a story that wouldhave been.
SPEAKER_02 (07:34):
US team doesn't make it to the Olympics because they
were playing with a poisonoussnake.
SPEAKER_00 (07:40):
But yeah, just some very interesting places, the
same thing.
Like we've uh gone to New Delhia few times.
Um, but when you like for a lotof the shooting villages,
they're kind of on the outskirtsof these cities.
So it's called the World Cup NewDelhi, but it's actually kind of
like an hour and a half outsideof New Delhi in more of a rural
village area, which that wasreally an interesting thing to
(08:04):
see there too.
Um a lot of poverty in thatarea, and so it's one of those
things where you get a differentperspective on just the whole
world and how how lucky we areto be here.
SPEAKER_02 (08:16):
Yeah, I I love that because you really do come home
and think, okay, I I've got itpretty good.
No matter how hard I think Ihave it, I've got it pretty
good.
And even you get to count yourblessings.
SPEAKER_00 (08:26):
Yeah, even going to some of these really amazing
places, I come home and I'm justlike, oh, I'm so glad to be
home.
I love America.
SPEAKER_02 (08:33):
Yeah, yeah.
I want to talk to you about likeyour mindset because people
always ask me, like, you know,oh my gosh, I'm so nervous,
like, how do you get rid of thenerves?
And I'm like, well, you don't.
Like if they're still there.
And then we always say, at leastcoming from like my shooting
sports background, like, if wedidn't have the nerves, then we
wouldn't have the fun.
Like, that's the excitement,that's what propels you forward.
But what's your mindset whenyou're when you're competing?
SPEAKER_00 (08:55):
Yeah, I would agree with that entirely.
If you don't have nervousness,then do you really care?
Like you have to have some sortof emotion there.
Yeah.
However, uh, something that Ilove to talk about with my
athletes, because I do docoaching with my junior
athletes.
Um, something that I talk abouta lot when I'm thinking about
mindset is uh creating a lot ofvisualizations and opportunities
(09:18):
to uh work with your mindinstead of trying to work
against it.
The biggest visualization I liketo use is talking about um being
in a doctor's office, and whenyou go into a doctor's office,
there's always the lobby.
There's a check-in counter,there's the door to go to see
the doctor, there's typicallylike a janitor's closet over in
the corner, there's a coffeetable with magazines and a bunch
of chairs and a bunch of peoplewaiting.
(09:40):
And I discuss and create thisvisualization where your
emotions and the things thatare, you know, affecting you
during a competition are theones that are coming into that
lobby and checking in.
However, they're not allowed toflip the coffee table, they're
not allowed to rip up yourmagazines.
They check in, they let you knowthat you're there, and then they
hang out and wait until you'reready to see them.
(10:00):
You're going to be in the back,you're working with a particular
emotion or working on aparticular focal point at that
time.
You're asking everybody to bepatient.
You're not allowed to shove yourpatients out the door.
You're not allowed to put themin the closet and tell them we
have to be quiet.
Just ask them to politely waittill they do their thing in that
lobby, and when you're ready,you have to check in with them,
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have to sign up, because they dohave important information.
Like you said, nervousness tendsto be this negative connotation,
but it can be used as a positivething in the right mindset.
And so you still have to go andaddress them and ask, hey, where
are you coming from?
What do you want me to focus onwhen you're nervous like this?
What can I do better next timeto make it a little bit of an
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easier transition for both ofus?
Or maybe to even pull you intothe back and work with you while
I'm in my competition.
Uh being able to have thesevisualizations makes it a lot
easier for people that are newto visualization.
Uh a lot of times meditationvisualization takes years to
really master.
But the concept of a doctor'soffice is so easy for all of us
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to pick up.
SPEAKER_02 (11:01):
I was just sitting here like staring at you, going,
oh my gosh, I've never heard itexplained like that well, like
and and conceptualized thatwell, and so that somebody can
actually have a takeaway todayfrom just hearing the way that
you explain it.
SPEAKER_01 (11:13):
So you so you still work through those emotions,
those feelings, but just notright now if you're not prepared
to.
Yeah, I think that's great.
SPEAKER_00 (11:24):
You have to check in with those patients.
They have important pieces ofinformation for you.
Even if it's fear or sadness ordisappointment, that shows that
there's some sort of care givento what you're doing and that
there's reason for us tocontinue on with it.
Not to say that if we don't havedisappointment that we're not
caring about this, we can alsohave you know excitement,
(11:46):
thrill, uh, motivation to dobetter.
Like, there's all sorts of otherthings that we can describe
those patients as.
Um, but it does help a lot to beable to characterize them and
recognize, like, okay, this isthis is what this looks like,
this is what this feels like,this is how I interact with it.
That way it's so much easier thenext time that it shows up to be
like, oh yeah, I recognize you,hang out in the lobby.
(12:08):
Instead of sitting there andtrying to, why is this emotion
like bugging me right now?
Hang out in the lobby.
We'll we'll talk to you later.
Wow, that's amazing.
I love that so much.
You too, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (12:18):
What a good life skill.
Like, I mean, you said you'reteaching youth, but this this
applies to all aspects of yourlife.
This just isn't just aboutcompetition or sports or
shooting, but this is just thebroad aspect of how do you face
every single day challenges.
SPEAKER_00 (12:32):
Yeah, it's a really wonderful concept, and that's
why I love working with thesejuniors because it is something
where I tell them, hey, this isnot just applicable in sport,
this is applicable in school.
When we're taking a test andwe're sitting there nervous, why
are we nervous?
Did we not put enough effortinto our studying?
Are we nervous because we didn'treally understand the concept
enough and need to ask morequestions?
(12:52):
What do those questions looklike so I can follow up with my
coaches or my teachers?
Um, same thing with you know, inyour first group project,
there's going to be a lot ofemotions there too.
Uh there's so many differentplaces that you can apply this.
And it really helps not just insport, but it's it's one of
those things where I lovebringing juniors into this sport
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because it is so applicable inso many other ways.
SPEAKER_01 (13:16):
I wish I yeah, I wish I learned that as a kid.
I I I know my whole life wouldhave changed.
SPEAKER_00 (13:22):
So much responsibility in shooting
sports, time management, havingyou know your own confidence
with that boundary of not beingoverly confident because we
don't need that either.
Uh I love being able tointroduce shooting sports to
young athletes.
It's so important for that nextgeneration to utilize some of
these really cool concepts thatwe can learn from these sports.
SPEAKER_02 (13:43):
You know what I really love about the shooting
sports too is that they forceyou to be immensely present in
the moment.
Yes.
Like you cannot be distracted,you cannot be thinking about
something else.
I mean, you can't just let otherthings pull your attention away.
You have to be present in themoment, and so often in life we
don't get that opportunityanymore because our cell phone
is going off and people arewalking by and somebody needs
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something.
But when you go up to the linewith the firearm, you are that
moment is for you.
100% for you.
SPEAKER_00 (14:12):
Yep, for us we hear that start command.
For some, it may be the buzzer,the beep sound.
I can still think of like someof those noises that I've heard
where attention, like I'msitting there already, I'm
focused, and just being able todrop everything for eight
seconds, drop everything for oneminute, and allow your brain to
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kind of for just a second andthink about that, is really
free.
It allows for you to come backfrom that moment in other spaces
and say, okay, I have theability to control this.
It's not just something thathappens all the time.
I am under control of myemotions, my behavior, and my
choices, and that alone is soimportant to have, not just on
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the line, but also out in theworld.
SPEAKER_01 (14:57):
Lexi, when you when you make ready, or that's what
we're doing.
That's it, yeah, support.
Um when you make ready, what areyou is there a process that you
go through before the buzzergoes off?
SPEAKER_00 (15:08):
A mental checklist?
Yeah, and so our load commandwill be up on the line.
They call load, you load yourmagazine as I'm loading my
magazine.
I'm feeling my I'm feeling myfingers as I go through.
I'm thinking about, okay,today's focal point is trigger.
Today's focal point isfollow-through.
We're just focused on that.
Load.
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I turn, I put my gun down on thebench, I put the magazine in, I
drop the slide, I'm looking downat that front sight, I take
another deep breath, I'm ready.
I look at my target, that'swhere I'm going for.
I set up my process, and thenthey'll call attention for us.
This is all in sport pistolrapid fire.
This is probably one of the morelike in-tune moments for me.
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Attention.
I bring the gun down, I'mlooking at my target.
One more breath, it's go time,and we go for it.
And that's really like that'sthat's kind of the mantra that
I'm going through, that's thediscussion that I'm going
through.
I'm not trying to coach my wayinto this match.
I'm not trying to all of asudden add new rules.
We're doing the same thing everysingle time because at the end
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of the day, um, I come from aphysics background, so a lot of
things are science-based for me.
It's a scientific experiment.
We're trying to remove as manyvariables as possible so that
way we can conduct thisexperiment with our hypothesis
that if I do the same thing thatI did the last time, I will have
the same conclusion, and thatwill be a 10.
SPEAKER_02 (16:33):
Can you be my motivational speaker every day?
Like, I I I'm gonna come backand listen to this podcast and
just remind myself.
But I'm like, oh my gosh, like Ilove how you're explaining all
of this because it really isabout putting your you've
already done the training,you've already done the work,
you've already prepped.
You're there in the moment, sonow you have consistency.
SPEAKER_00 (16:52):
Yeah, there's nothing that you're going to do
right now between here and therethat's going to make this any
better.
Other than I do say the onetraining opportunity that we
have at competitions isrecognizing that it's just
training.
Your um for my juniors, juniorOlympics is kind of the big
thing, the National JuniorOlympics is the big thing.
However, your state JOs, yourlocal PTOs are just training for
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your state JOs, your state JOsare training for your junior
Olympics, your junior Olympicsare training for your junior
selections, junior selectionstrain for World Cups, World Cups
train for the Olympics.
We're just building that ladder.
You're never actually at likethe end all be all.
You're not gonna die from acompetition, you know.
Very, very odd cases if that wasto happen, which we haven't had
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happen, but you're not gonna dieat the end of the day.
Your parents still love you,your friends are still your
friends, and your dog is yourdog forever and ever and ever
and will love you no matterwhat.
Um that's a quote my coachalways used to tell me before I
would head off to competitionsback in college.
At the time I had a ferret, andhe would tell me, your ferret
won't give a shit.
(18:00):
Which was true.
Ferret doesn't care.
Ferret just wants to be fed andloved, and that's it.
But um, yeah, your dog willalways love you, your family
will always love you, yourfriends will still be your
friends.
It's not going to be, you know,the end-all be-all of your
entire life.
This one shot.
Literally, it comes down to oneshot that makes the difference.
SPEAKER_02 (18:18):
Yeah, that's amazing.
SPEAKER_01 (18:20):
That is, and you're so calm about it.
Like if I if I was in evenmatches, sometimes I think of
them and I get hyped up.
Yeah.
And you're just so like kind ofcalm and collected.
SPEAKER_00 (18:33):
There's a lot of training that goes into that
too.
Um, your face has a lot of nervereception or nerve receptors
that tell your brain how youfeel.
So if you're sitting there atthe line and like every shot you
make, you go, oh, ah, oh, thatwas bad, you're not going to
respond well to the next shot.
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You're going to continue downthat your subconscious is
already going, oh, this is bad,turn off.
Like you need to be, and I Iwouldn't go the opposite
direction either.
Like, not every shot's gonna be,wow, look at that.
Like, try and keep it a littlebit more mellow and upper face.
SPEAKER_02 (19:08):
But I cuss when I shoot.
Are you saying that's not good?
Some of those voices they canwait in the line.
SPEAKER_00 (19:21):
And I'm going, I'm oh crap, you're right.
Yes, don't do that.
No, there's definitely a lot ofcoaching, like, and that's the
other thing I was going to sayis trust me, there's a lot of um
choice of behavior that I havelike implemented over years.
There is definitely a lot goingon back here, a lot of
self-coaching going on that maynot be present on the face, but
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it's through a lot of trainingthat that has come about because
I recognize you know, it's thesame thing.
Um, they talk about likebehavior, choice of behavior
when you do chores.
And so this was something talkabout choosing behaviors when I
was a kid.
I hated doing dishes.
I loathed it.
You can ask my parents, I hatedtouching like other people's
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food, it grossed me out, likeand um for about a year I was in
charge of doing the dishes atthe house, and every time that I
did the dishes, I would show up,and I remember thinking like
dishes are a good thing, I needdishes, I'm gonna be happy about
this.
And this is when talk about likeI was a kind of a ridiculous
(20:24):
kid.
This is when I'm like 10.
I'm like having thismotivational talk with myself at
the at the safe like I wouldtell myself like I need to learn
to enjoy this, this is going tobe okay, and I would smile and
I'd be like, I'd probably looklike a psychopath doing the
dishes with a knife, like butyeah, um, I would teach myself,
like, hey, this isn't bad.
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And now I actually really enjoydoing the dishes, it's part of
my end-of-the-day like routinebefore I go to bed.
It's kind of meditative for me.
I love seeing that clean sink.
Don't get me wrong, I still getgrossed out if I have to touch
gross food.
But now the whole concept oflike doing the dishes is not a
big deal.
Same thing with ourcompetitions, that competition
anxiety that comes up.
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We talk to ourselves and youknow, have to go through a
little self-coaching of why am Inervous about this?
What's going on?
Was it a lead up of not havingenough training?
Is it a lead up of just I'mreally excited for this match?
It may not be it's nervousness,but it's not a negative
connotation to it, it's apositive, like I want this to go
well.
And work through those differentlike concepts and you know, just
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kind of ride it out.
There's going to be times wherewe're nervous.
Like, there's definitely been acouple of competitions where if
I do well at this, I'm going toget funding.
And if I don't, my funding isgone.
SPEAKER_02 (21:39):
There's a lot riding on it behind the scenes where
it's not just win or lose, butit's you know, it's a paycheck
and it it it's your hugedifference, you know, and it's
expectations placed on you, andhow are you gonna provide for
yourself afterwards?
SPEAKER_00 (21:51):
Thinking about coming to SHOP Show the next
year and asking for sponsorshipsand being like yeah, it didn't
really work out.
Uh those are the things that Ithink about before matches, and
it's you know, I I really do mybest at working through those,
but they do show up.
It's never going to be perfect.
We're always in shootingfundamentals, shooting 101.
(22:11):
If you ever think that you're inshooting 102, you need to go
back to the beginning and tryagain.
Um I think I like to talk aboutuh the concept of learning
shooting sports as a spiral.
You're always getting closer andcloser towards that center, but
you're never really quitegetting there.
And the reason why I say it's aspiral is when you're working on
mental gain, um, yourfundamentals and like physical
(22:32):
work probably is suffering alittle bit, but then you start
visiting that side, and nowwe're going to have you know a
little bit more work on thephysical side, maybe a little
less work on the mental.
And you kind of keep going backand forth, back and forth.
There's going to be those sweetspots where everything's nice
and balanced, but you can'texpect those to always line up
with your competitions.
There's a lot of work that weput into that, it's called
periodization.
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Really, really good for uhathletes, shooting athletes to
look up is periodization for uhmarathon running actually is
kind of the best like pair-up tothat.
But you'll always try and findthose soft spots for your
periodization, but it's neveralways perfect.
And you have to be you knowgracious and merciful of
yourself in those moments torecognize hey, today might not
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be my best day, but I'm gonna domy best.
It may not be my bestperformance, but I've given
myself the best opportunity todo well here.
SPEAKER_02 (23:22):
I love that you just gave people something to look
up, but but I I know I wantmore.
Like, how do people you know getmore like in depth to like you
know the mental aspects oftraining and and the focus
behind it?
SPEAKER_01 (23:34):
If somebody wants to reach out to you and learn more
about it, you you do umcoaching.
SPEAKER_00 (23:40):
I do one-off sessions uh if we want to just
talk about some of these QAitems, um, and they can reach
out to me on my Instagram, uhLAGAN L-A-G-A-N 1515 at G or
Lagan L A L A G A N 1515, andthat's my Instagram handle.
Um but yeah, reach out to methere, just DM me.
I get back to those prettyquick, unless I'm outside of the
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country, then it might take acouple days.
Um but I love to be able to talkto them more.
I do those one-off sessions, Ialso do a long-term coaching
program that's more on theinternational side rather than
you know general shootingsports, but I'd be more than
happy to discuss ideas.
SPEAKER_01 (24:16):
Wow, this has been such a great podcast and so many
life lessons and takeaways.
I I mean I'm so glad that youcame.
SPEAKER_00 (24:24):
Thank you so much.
I'm so glad I got to be here.
Thank you so much for having me,and I'm just excited to be able
to see you guys at some of thesefun events.
I look forward to it.
Thank you.
Welcome to Amateurs and Experts Podcast.
I'm Erica Chin and I'm here withMaggie Reese.
We're in um the Otis TechnologyBooth 2026 Shot Show, and we
have such a special guest.
I uh I fangirl sometimes, andI'm a little fangirlish right
now, uh Alexis Lagan, uh US uhTeam USA.
(00:37):
Olympian, huh?
SPEAKER_00 (00:39):
Go USA.
I know, right?
SPEAKER_01 (00:41):
Welcome.
SPEAKER_00 (00:42):
Thank you.
It's so great to be here.
I love being at SHAT Show.
SPEAKER_02 (00:46):
I know we were just talking about though the fact
that they keep expanding andexpanding.
So to get from one end to theother, it is like a country
mile.
Like it is a hike.
SPEAKER_00 (00:55):
Some of these areas, like they're so new still that I
get totally lost in them.
I mean, the downstairs area hasbeen open for years, and I still
will be like, Where am I?
My phone doesn't work and I'mjust lost and scared.
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (01:09):
And sometimes like people will move their boots,
you know, but then I recognizelandmarks, and so then I go to
the wrong spot because I I'mlike, no, I am programmed to
always come here.
SPEAKER_00 (01:19):
Or you expect them to be shaped a different way,
and all of a sudden you getthere and you're like, Why is
there a wall right here?
It's supposed to be open.
I don't know where I am.
SPEAKER_02 (01:26):
Right.
No, but it's fun, just like theenergy that's here.
It starts to become contagious,and you're just like, oh my
gosh, we're in the heart of it.
SPEAKER_00 (01:32):
So it really does.
I love being able to see all ofour friends here too and catch
up with them, especially sincein sport I don't get to see a
whole lot of like the shotgunpeople, and sometimes I see them
here, and uh I get to see allthe fun, like steel challenge
people and ISBCA and everything,and it's just cool to be able to
catch up with everybody.
SPEAKER_02 (01:50):
Yes, I I know that is the one thing about Chacho is
that you get to see the samefaces, sometimes the only time
for the year though.
Right.
But it's super cool.
SPEAKER_01 (01:58):
So uh tell us about the Olympics, how many like how
many years, because I knowyou've been there for several
Olympics, um, how does uh hashas how how has it evolved over
the years?
SPEAKER_00 (02:12):
And you know, I'm sure the first time you went to
the Olympics it was likeamazing, but does it ever nerve
wracking ever stop being amazingor no, and so the amazing part
about this is with um my firstrun at the Olympics was in 2016,
and really I had only beentraining since 2015 at that
point for the Olympics.
(02:32):
So I didn't have a whole lot ofexpectations.
However, I was the uh alternatefor women's air pistols, so it
turned into kind of this reallycool thing.
I'm like, I'm right there on theprecipice of it, and so I ended
up going up to the trainingcenter during the Olympics and
being a social media intern,which was cool.
I got to see a little peekbehind the the wall and the
curtain of the Olympics of whatgoes on for the athletes there,
(02:55):
which kind of gave me a greatpreface of what was the Olympics
going to be like when I go.
Then for uh Tokyo, I made theteam right before COVID, started
up and the world shut down, andso that Olympics was so
different because of COVID.
Um there were so many moreparameters and so many different
things where my veteran friendsthat had been to a couple
(03:15):
Olympics are like, oh, this isso different than the Olympics,
like this isn't as good as thethe real Olympics without COVID
and everything else, which in mymind I'm like, what are you
talking about?
This is amazing, like this is socool.
I got to be in the Olympicvillage, and we wandered around
with all of these differentsports, and um it was just
incredible to be there.
(03:37):
Uh and the people were so sweetand kind and so excited to have
the Olympics in their theirhometown.
It was very cool to witness andbe a part of.
Then we had Paris, and forParis, uh the shooting sports
were actually three hours southof Paris.
So we stayed in a satellitevillage in Chaterou, and that
was a cool experience too,because Chateau is this small
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village down south of Paris.
SPEAKER_02 (04:02):
I've actually competed there.
So random.
I was like, wait a second, threehours south of France.
I was there.
I know, but I did it for IPSC,so and I was uh shooting a
pistol world championship there.
And so it it's so interesting,like the places that you get to
go, like that you would normallylike never pick to go on a
(04:23):
vacation.
Of course, that's the that's theyou know complex part of it, but
it's still you get to see thesedifferent areas of the world and
such an appreciation, you know,to go from like Japan and Tokyo
and then go to France and go toEurope.
So you've gotten to go so manycool places.
SPEAKER_00 (04:41):
I've gotten to go places where you know you would
hope to get to go to onvacations, and then I've
definitely been to places whereyou would never expect to go.
Um, so for example, uh we'vedone a lot of world
championships out in uh Cairo,and it's not in Cairo proper.
Like we fly into Cairo, but thenwe drive to what they call new
Cairo, and it's this whole cityoutside of the original Cairo
(05:06):
that they are building.
It's kind of like Dubai, whereit's a paid city, like they're
building the city and thenthey're moving the people in.
And so they have this big likeuh Olympic setup.
They're hoping to, they'retrying to make a run for the
summer 2020 or 2036 Olympics or38 Olympics, that's the one.
And uh no six, you're right,sorry.
(05:28):
So they're making the run forthe 2036 Olympics, and uh
they've got this whole Olympicvillage set up.
However, because nobody actuallylives there, it's constantly
like new things are being addedto it, new things are being
changed to it.
So, like one time we showed upand they had a fountain, and
then the next time we showed up,they tore out that fountain,
they put in something different,and they're trying this now and
(05:50):
they're looking at it.
It's just really interesting.
Um, and it really and truly isin the middle of Egypt, like way
out there, like you just drivefor miles and it's just dirt,
and then all of a sudden it'slike this huge city.
SPEAKER_02 (06:06):
Nobody lives there, not exactly some place that you
would have picked on the map andsaid, I'm gonna go on vacation.
SPEAKER_00 (06:11):
Very odd.
And we stay in um a resortcalled Almasa.
We're really privileged, we getto go there.
Um, not all of the teams get togo there, some of them stay back
in Cairo.
Um, but we get to stay at thisparticular village because
security and requirements forthe United States for our
athletes, and uh I mean, eventhis village area or this
(06:32):
Almasa, it's where like thepresident of Cairo or President
of Egypt has like a resort homein this resort village.
Wow.
But like one time I was walkingthrough and uh it was a group of
us, we were coming from theirgym and going back to the hotel,
and as we're walking, a snakecrosses our path, and it's this
(06:53):
little tiny black snake, it'sonly this big.
And um Sajin Magdalena, she's uhincredible shooter, like silver
medalist, just like most coolperson.
I have major girl crush on her.
Um she and I were both like,what is it?
So she starts poking it with herwater bottle and starts striking
at her and oh my god, um, it's apoisonous.
(07:17):
Our teammate Lucas is like, stopit, another silver medalist and
rifle, and he's like, stopplaying with the snake in the
desert, like we don't know whatwe're playing with.
I lift it up later, it's one ofthe most poisonous snakes in
like what a story that wouldhave been.
SPEAKER_02 (07:34):
US team doesn't make it to the Olympics because they
were playing with a poisonoussnake.
SPEAKER_00 (07:40):
But yeah, just some very interesting places, the
same thing.
Like we've uh gone to New Delhia few times.
Um, but when you like for a lotof the shooting villages,
they're kind of on the outskirtsof these cities.
So it's called the World Cup NewDelhi, but it's actually kind of
like an hour and a half outsideof New Delhi in more of a rural
village area, which that wasreally an interesting thing to
(08:04):
see there too.
Um a lot of poverty in thatarea, and so it's one of those
things where you get a differentperspective on just the whole
world and how how lucky we areto be here.
SPEAKER_02 (08:16):
Yeah, I I love that because you really do come home
and think, okay, I I've got itpretty good.
No matter how hard I think Ihave it, I've got it pretty
good.
And even you get to count yourblessings.
SPEAKER_00 (08:26):
Yeah, even going to some of these really amazing
places, I come home and I'm justlike, oh, I'm so glad to be
home.
I love America.
SPEAKER_02 (08:33):
Yeah, yeah.
I want to talk to you about likeyour mindset because people
always ask me, like, you know,oh my gosh, I'm so nervous,
like, how do you get rid of thenerves?
And I'm like, well, you don't.
Like if they're still there.
And then we always say, at leastcoming from like my shooting
sports background, like, if wedidn't have the nerves, then we
wouldn't have the fun.
Like, that's the excitement,that's what propels you forward.
But what's your mindset whenyou're when you're competing?
SPEAKER_00 (08:55):
Yeah, I would agree with that entirely.
If you don't have nervousness,then do you really care?
Like you have to have some sortof emotion there.
Yeah.
However, uh, something that Ilove to talk about with my
athletes, because I do docoaching with my junior
athletes.
Um, something that I talk abouta lot when I'm thinking about
mindset is uh creating a lot ofvisualizations and opportunities
(09:18):
to uh work with your mindinstead of trying to work
against it.
The biggest visualization I liketo use is talking about um being
in a doctor's office, and whenyou go into a doctor's office,
there's always the lobby.
There's a check-in counter,there's the door to go to see
the doctor, there's typicallylike a janitor's closet over in
the corner, there's a coffeetable with magazines and a bunch
of chairs and a bunch of peoplewaiting.
(09:40):
And I discuss and create thisvisualization where your
emotions and the things thatare, you know, affecting you
during a competition are theones that are coming into that
lobby and checking in.
However, they're not allowed toflip the coffee table, they're
not allowed to rip up yourmagazines.
They check in, they let you knowthat you're there, and then they
hang out and wait until you'reready to see them.
(10:00):
You're going to be in the back,you're working with a particular
emotion or working on aparticular focal point at that
time.
You're asking everybody to bepatient.
You're not allowed to shove yourpatients out the door.
You're not allowed to put themin the closet and tell them we
have to be quiet.
Just ask them to politely waittill they do their thing in that
lobby, and when you're ready,you have to check in with them,
(10:20):
have to sign up, because they dohave important information.
Like you said, nervousness tendsto be this negative connotation,
but it can be used as a positivething in the right mindset.
And so you still have to go andaddress them and ask, hey, where
are you coming from?
What do you want me to focus onwhen you're nervous like this?
What can I do better next timeto make it a little bit of an
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easier transition for both ofus?
Or maybe to even pull you intothe back and work with you while
I'm in my competition.
Uh being able to have thesevisualizations makes it a lot
easier for people that are newto visualization.
Uh a lot of times meditationvisualization takes years to
really master.
But the concept of a doctor'soffice is so easy for all of us
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to pick up.
SPEAKER_02 (11:01):
I was just sitting here like staring at you, going,
oh my gosh, I've never heard itexplained like that well, like
and and conceptualized thatwell, and so that somebody can
actually have a takeaway todayfrom just hearing the way that
you explain it.
SPEAKER_01 (11:13):
So you so you still work through those emotions,
those feelings, but just notright now if you're not prepared
to.
Yeah, I think that's great.
SPEAKER_00 (11:24):
You have to check in with those patients.
They have important pieces ofinformation for you.
Even if it's fear or sadness ordisappointment, that shows that
there's some sort of care givento what you're doing and that
there's reason for us tocontinue on with it.
Not to say that if we don't havedisappointment that we're not
caring about this, we can alsohave you know excitement,
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thrill, uh, motivation to dobetter.
Like, there's all sorts of otherthings that we can describe
those patients as.
Um, but it does help a lot to beable to characterize them and
recognize, like, okay, this isthis is what this looks like,
this is what this feels like,this is how I interact with it.
That way it's so much easier thenext time that it shows up to be
like, oh yeah, I recognize you,hang out in the lobby.
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Instead of sitting there andtrying to, why is this emotion
like bugging me right now?
Hang out in the lobby.
We'll we'll talk to you later.
Wow, that's amazing.
I love that so much.
You too, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (12:18):
What a good life skill.
Like, I mean, you said you'reteaching youth, but this this
applies to all aspects of yourlife.
This just isn't just aboutcompetition or sports or
shooting, but this is just thebroad aspect of how do you face
every single day challenges.
SPEAKER_00 (12:32):
Yeah, it's a really wonderful concept, and that's
why I love working with thesejuniors because it is something
where I tell them, hey, this isnot just applicable in sport,
this is applicable in school.
When we're taking a test andwe're sitting there nervous, why
are we nervous?
Did we not put enough effortinto our studying?
Are we nervous because we didn'treally understand the concept
enough and need to ask morequestions?
(12:52):
What do those questions looklike so I can follow up with my
coaches or my teachers?
Um, same thing with you know, inyour first group project,
there's going to be a lot ofemotions there too.
Uh there's so many differentplaces that you can apply this.
And it really helps not just insport, but it's it's one of
those things where I lovebringing juniors into this sport
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because it is so applicable inso many other ways.
SPEAKER_01 (13:16):
I wish I yeah, I wish I learned that as a kid.
I I I know my whole life wouldhave changed.
SPEAKER_00 (13:22):
So much responsibility in shooting
sports, time management, havingyou know your own confidence
with that boundary of not beingoverly confident because we
don't need that either.
Uh I love being able tointroduce shooting sports to
young athletes.
It's so important for that nextgeneration to utilize some of
these really cool concepts thatwe can learn from these sports.
SPEAKER_02 (13:43):
You know what I really love about the shooting
sports too is that they forceyou to be immensely present in
the moment.
Yes.
Like you cannot be distracted,you cannot be thinking about
something else.
I mean, you can't just let otherthings pull your attention away.
You have to be present in themoment, and so often in life we
don't get that opportunityanymore because our cell phone
is going off and people arewalking by and somebody needs
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something.
But when you go up to the linewith the firearm, you are that
moment is for you.
100% for you.
SPEAKER_00 (14:12):
Yep, for us we hear that start command.
For some, it may be the buzzer,the beep sound.
I can still think of like someof those noises that I've heard
where attention, like I'msitting there already, I'm
focused, and just being able todrop everything for eight
seconds, drop everything for oneminute, and allow your brain to
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kind of for just a second andthink about that, is really
free.
It allows for you to come backfrom that moment in other spaces
and say, okay, I have theability to control this.
It's not just something thathappens all the time.
I am under control of myemotions, my behavior, and my
choices, and that alone is soimportant to have, not just on
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the line, but also out in theworld.
SPEAKER_01 (14:57):
Lexi, when you when you make ready, or that's what
we're doing.
That's it, yeah, support.
Um when you make ready, what areyou is there a process that you
go through before the buzzergoes off?
SPEAKER_00 (15:08):
A mental checklist?
Yeah, and so our load commandwill be up on the line.
They call load, you load yourmagazine as I'm loading my
magazine.
I'm feeling my I'm feeling myfingers as I go through.
I'm thinking about, okay,today's focal point is trigger.
Today's focal point isfollow-through.
We're just focused on that.
Load.
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I turn, I put my gun down on thebench, I put the magazine in, I
drop the slide, I'm looking downat that front sight, I take
another deep breath, I'm ready.
I look at my target, that'swhere I'm going for.
I set up my process, and thenthey'll call attention for us.
This is all in sport pistolrapid fire.
This is probably one of the morelike in-tune moments for me.
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Attention.
I bring the gun down, I'mlooking at my target.
One more breath, it's go time,and we go for it.
And that's really like that'sthat's kind of the mantra that
I'm going through, that's thediscussion that I'm going
through.
I'm not trying to coach my wayinto this match.
I'm not trying to all of asudden add new rules.
We're doing the same thing everysingle time because at the end
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of the day, um, I come from aphysics background, so a lot of
things are science-based for me.
It's a scientific experiment.
We're trying to remove as manyvariables as possible so that
way we can conduct thisexperiment with our hypothesis
that if I do the same thing thatI did the last time, I will have
the same conclusion, and thatwill be a 10.
SPEAKER_02 (16:33):
Can you be my motivational speaker every day?
Like, I I I'm gonna come backand listen to this podcast and
just remind myself.
But I'm like, oh my gosh, like Ilove how you're explaining all
of this because it really isabout putting your you've
already done the training,you've already done the work,
you've already prepped.
You're there in the moment, sonow you have consistency.
SPEAKER_00 (16:52):
Yeah, there's nothing that you're going to do
right now between here and therethat's going to make this any
better.
Other than I do say the onetraining opportunity that we
have at competitions isrecognizing that it's just
training.
Your um for my juniors, juniorOlympics is kind of the big
thing, the National JuniorOlympics is the big thing.
However, your state JOs, yourlocal PTOs are just training for
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your state JOs, your state JOsare training for your junior
Olympics, your junior Olympicsare training for your junior
selections, junior selectionstrain for World Cups, World Cups
train for the Olympics.
We're just building that ladder.
You're never actually at likethe end all be all.
You're not gonna die from acompetition, you know.
Very, very odd cases if that wasto happen, which we haven't had
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happen, but you're not gonna dieat the end of the day.
Your parents still love you,your friends are still your
friends, and your dog is yourdog forever and ever and ever
and will love you no matterwhat.
Um that's a quote my coachalways used to tell me before I
would head off to competitionsback in college.
At the time I had a ferret, andhe would tell me, your ferret
won't give a shit.
(18:00):
Which was true.
Ferret doesn't care.
Ferret just wants to be fed andloved, and that's it.
But um, yeah, your dog willalways love you, your family
will always love you, yourfriends will still be your
friends.
It's not going to be, you know,the end-all be-all of your
entire life.
This one shot.
Literally, it comes down to oneshot that makes the difference.
SPEAKER_02 (18:18):
Yeah, that's amazing.
SPEAKER_01 (18:20):
That is, and you're so calm about it.
Like if I if I was in evenmatches, sometimes I think of
them and I get hyped up.
Yeah.
And you're just so like kind ofcalm and collected.
SPEAKER_00 (18:33):
There's a lot of training that goes into that
too.
Um, your face has a lot of nervereception or nerve receptors
that tell your brain how youfeel.
So if you're sitting there atthe line and like every shot you
make, you go, oh, ah, oh, thatwas bad, you're not going to
respond well to the next shot.
(18:53):
You're going to continue downthat your subconscious is
already going, oh, this is bad,turn off.
Like you need to be, and I Iwouldn't go the opposite
direction either.
Like, not every shot's gonna be,wow, look at that.
Like, try and keep it a littlebit more mellow and upper face.
SPEAKER_02 (19:08):
But I cuss when I shoot.
Are you saying that's not good?
Some of those voices they canwait in the line.
SPEAKER_00 (19:21):
And I'm going, I'm oh crap, you're right.
Yes, don't do that.
No, there's definitely a lot ofcoaching, like, and that's the
other thing I was going to sayis trust me, there's a lot of um
choice of behavior that I havelike implemented over years.
There is definitely a lot goingon back here, a lot of
self-coaching going on that maynot be present on the face, but
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it's through a lot of trainingthat that has come about because
I recognize you know, it's thesame thing.
Um, they talk about likebehavior, choice of behavior
when you do chores.
And so this was something talkabout choosing behaviors when I
was a kid.
I hated doing dishes.
I loathed it.
You can ask my parents, I hatedtouching like other people's
(20:04):
food, it grossed me out, likeand um for about a year I was in
charge of doing the dishes atthe house, and every time that I
did the dishes, I would show up,and I remember thinking like
dishes are a good thing, I needdishes, I'm gonna be happy about
this.
And this is when talk about likeI was a kind of a ridiculous
(20:24):
kid.
This is when I'm like 10.
I'm like having thismotivational talk with myself at
the at the safe like I wouldtell myself like I need to learn
to enjoy this, this is going tobe okay, and I would smile and
I'd be like, I'd probably looklike a psychopath doing the
dishes with a knife, like butyeah, um, I would teach myself,
like, hey, this isn't bad.
(20:46):
And now I actually really enjoydoing the dishes, it's part of
my end-of-the-day like routinebefore I go to bed.
It's kind of meditative for me.
I love seeing that clean sink.
Don't get me wrong, I still getgrossed out if I have to touch
gross food.
But now the whole concept oflike doing the dishes is not a
big deal.
Same thing with ourcompetitions, that competition
anxiety that comes up.
(21:07):
We talk to ourselves and youknow, have to go through a
little self-coaching of why am Inervous about this?
What's going on?
Was it a lead up of not havingenough training?
Is it a lead up of just I'mreally excited for this match?
It may not be it's nervousness,but it's not a negative
connotation to it, it's apositive, like I want this to go
well.
And work through those differentlike concepts and you know, just
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kind of ride it out.
There's going to be times wherewe're nervous.
Like, there's definitely been acouple of competitions where if
I do well at this, I'm going toget funding.
And if I don't, my funding isgone.
SPEAKER_02 (21:39):
There's a lot riding on it behind the scenes where
it's not just win or lose, butit's you know, it's a paycheck
and it it it's your hugedifference, you know, and it's
expectations placed on you, andhow are you gonna provide for
yourself afterwards?
SPEAKER_00 (21:51):
Thinking about coming to SHOP Show the next
year and asking for sponsorshipsand being like yeah, it didn't
really work out.
Uh those are the things that Ithink about before matches, and
it's you know, I I really do mybest at working through those,
but they do show up.
It's never going to be perfect.
We're always in shootingfundamentals, shooting 101.
(22:11):
If you ever think that you're inshooting 102, you need to go
back to the beginning and tryagain.
Um I think I like to talk aboutuh the concept of learning
shooting sports as a spiral.
You're always getting closer andcloser towards that center, but
you're never really quitegetting there.
And the reason why I say it's aspiral is when you're working on
mental gain, um, yourfundamentals and like physical
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work probably is suffering alittle bit, but then you start
visiting that side, and nowwe're going to have you know a
little bit more work on thephysical side, maybe a little
less work on the mental.
And you kind of keep going backand forth, back and forth.
There's going to be those sweetspots where everything's nice
and balanced, but you can'texpect those to always line up
with your competitions.
There's a lot of work that weput into that, it's called
periodization.
(22:53):
Really, really good for uhathletes, shooting athletes to
look up is periodization for uhmarathon running actually is
kind of the best like pair-up tothat.
But you'll always try and findthose soft spots for your
periodization, but it's neveralways perfect.
And you have to be you knowgracious and merciful of
yourself in those moments torecognize hey, today might not
(23:14):
be my best day, but I'm gonna domy best.
It may not be my bestperformance, but I've given
myself the best opportunity todo well here.
SPEAKER_02 (23:22):
I love that you just gave people something to look
up, but but I I know I wantmore.
Like, how do people you know getmore like in depth to like you
know the mental aspects oftraining and and the focus
behind it?
SPEAKER_01 (23:34):
If somebody wants to reach out to you and learn more
about it, you you do umcoaching.
SPEAKER_00 (23:40):
I do one-off sessions uh if we want to just
talk about some of these QAitems, um, and they can reach
out to me on my Instagram, uhLAGAN L-A-G-A-N 1515 at G or
Lagan L A L A G A N 1515, andthat's my Instagram handle.
Um but yeah, reach out to methere, just DM me.
I get back to those prettyquick, unless I'm outside of the
(24:02):
country, then it might take acouple days.
Um but I love to be able to talkto them more.
I do those one-off sessions, Ialso do a long-term coaching
program that's more on theinternational side rather than
you know general shootingsports, but I'd be more than
happy to discuss ideas.
SPEAKER_01 (24:16):
Wow, this has been such a great podcast and so many
life lessons and takeaways.
I I mean I'm so glad that youcame.
SPEAKER_00 (24:24):
Thank you so much.
I'm so glad I got to be here.
Thank you so much for having me,and I'm just excited to be able
to see you guys at some of thesefun events.
I look forward to it.
Thank you.
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