September 5, 2025 • 23 mins
Have you ever wondered why women might learn to shoot differently than men? The "Amateurs and Experts" podcast hosts, Jessica Adanich and Erica Chin chat with firearms instructor Sheila Hoekstra about her career and the unique world of women in shooting. She explains that because men and women are built differently, having a female instructor can make a big difference. Sheila talks about her time with "Babes of Bullets" and how grateful she is for the strong, supportive, and kind community of ladies she's met.
The hosts and Sheila also talk about the new "Staccato Vegas" range, which is more than just a place to practice. It's an adventure spot with activities like "Rolling Thunder," where you shoot from a moving vehicle. This fun and humbling experience shows that anyone can be a great shooter if they have the right attitude. Sheila and the hosts end by saying that their passion for shooting has given them a "living bucket list" of amazing experiences and friendships.
A special thank you to Otis Technology for providing an amazing space to make podcast magic at SHOT Show 2025. Links:
https://www.otistec.com/ (00:32) - Otis Technology booth, where they were recording.
https://hillsdale.edu/ (03:36) - Hillsdale College, where Sheila taught a women's program.
- https://www.thewoma.org/ (12:57) - WOMA, the Women's Outdoor Media Association.
- https://sheneverquit.org/ (13:58) - She Never Quit event, mentioned in the podcast.
Take aways
- The Value of Female-Specific Training
- Living Bucket List
- The Humbling Power of Unique Experiences
- Community Over Competition
- The Evolution of Firearms Training
Key words
- SHOT Show 2025
- Otis Technology
- Amateurs and Experts
- Babes of Bullets
- Sheila Hoekstra
- Women in shooting
- 3- Gun match
- Hillsdale College
- Prairie Fire
- Staccato Vegas
- Law enforcement
- Military
- Civilians
- Limp noodle
- WOMA
- She Never Quit
- Bucket list
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SPEAKER_00 (00:04):
Welcome to Base with Bullets.
Oh my bullets.
What?
Where are we?
Amateurs and experts.
I'm so nervous.
You guys, I guess I'll do it.
SPEAKER_01 (00:14):
I guess we got the amateur part down, don't we?
SPEAKER_00 (00:17):
We are amateurs.
We're just two chicks withmicrophones.
Yes.
And then Otis and then Deb Debkind of talked Otis into giving
us this booth.
No, I don't know.
They graciously.
I mean, this is freakingamazing.
SPEAKER_02 (00:32):
Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (00:33):
Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_02 (00:33):
Serious.
Okay.
All right.
Welcome to Amateurs and Experts.
We are coming to you from SHOTShow 2025 from the Otis
Technology booth.
It is their 40th anniversary.
SPEAKER_00 (00:45):
Yes.
And this booth is amazing.
Um I mean, it makes us seem likewe're experts.
And a lot cooler than what wereally are, I feel like.
Yes, it makes us cool.
SPEAKER_02 (01:02):
It might give me a complex by the end of the week.
Like I'm more special and famousthan I really am.
SPEAKER_00 (01:07):
Yes.
Yeah.
But I'll take it.
I'll take it.
I'll take the complex.
It looks good on us.
SPEAKER_02 (01:12):
It does.
It does.
I want to take it home with me.
SPEAKER_00 (01:15):
We're here with Sheila Hoekstra.
And she is a true rock star.
Oh my gosh.
Amazing trainer.
Great personality.
If you don't know her, you needto get to know her.
Yes.
Welcome, Sheila.
SPEAKER_01 (01:31):
Well, hello.
Thanks for having me here.
SPEAKER_00 (01:34):
We uh we met, I remember the first time we met
was a babes with bullets threegun match.
And after I it was the first oneI had ever Louisiana, right?
Yeah.
Yep.
And um afterwards you're like,hey, let me give you some
pointers.
And I was like, I took them.
I was like, this is this is mylast stage, and I am so tired.
(01:57):
And you really, I mean, it waseverything I needed to hear.
Wow, that's awesome.
SPEAKER_02 (02:01):
I I think of the first time I met you too, and
you gave me the best shootingtip probably anyone's ever given
me, aside from the second onethat Lanny gave me.
But shooting as a female.
Yeah, yeah, all I had to do isjust motion.
That when you were so used tooften women are taught by men,
(02:22):
and you raise your arms up andyou squish the front of you, and
it's uncomfortable.
And Sheila looks at me, she'slike, girl, just lift up and
over.
And I was like, Oh my god, itwas like the biggest light bulb
went off in my head.
Yeah, and it's the simplestthing.
But had you not, had it not beenfemale, the female, men don't
think about that.
SPEAKER_01 (02:39):
No, men will not tell you that.
No, no, but it's funny, I've hadto use that on a few men too.
I have.
Then they laugh and giggle too.
SPEAKER_02 (02:49):
People do come in all shapes and sizes.
They do.
SPEAKER_00 (02:51):
Yeah, they do.
So, Sheila, you were um a biginstructor with babes and with
bullets.
SPEAKER_01 (02:58):
Yeah, so I was I was fortunate enough to be able to
be one of the instructors withthe babes with bullets.
That was an amazing experienceteaching with those ladies.
Um, I got to do that from 2008to 2019 when they retired.
Um, but I still get to use thecredentials that I'm a babes
instructor, right?
SPEAKER_02 (03:13):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (03:13):
Um that was an amazing, amazing experience.
Um, well, you know the ladies.
I mean, being able to teach withKay and Lisa and Deb and Annette
and Sheila Bray.
I mean, I can go on and on.
SPEAKER_00 (03:23):
And I know, I can't even believe that uh I know
those people.
SPEAKER_01 (03:26):
And I know you and Maggie.
Maggie's here today, too.
I just got done seeing MaggieReese.
She was awesome, right?
You know, and um, but yes, it'sbeen life-changing.
It's been amazing.
Um, and then my next adventure,I ended up uh got to teach at
Hillsdale College.
Um, did a women's program, uh,Liberty programs there for about
10 years.
That's it.
That was amazing.
Yeah, and then I was it wasfortunate enough that I got to
(03:48):
bring in a few of theinstructors that I taught with
from babes into there.
So where I was where they weremy mentor, I got to bring them
in as my where I was the boss.
It's like okay, this is weird.
Yeah, it was very strange.
But uh yeah, now uh and nowLanny uh reached out to me and
uh I'm gonna start teaching withher at uh Prairie Fire.
(04:08):
So cool.
Hence, now Prairie Fire just hada name change, so it's gonna be
Staccato Vegas.
SPEAKER_00 (04:14):
So cool.
Very exciting.
SPEAKER_01 (04:16):
Yep, yep, looking forward to it.
So we're gonna start doing uhladies' adventure weekends.
So cool.
Tell us about it.
Yeah, so it's basically it'sgonna be all inclusive.
Uh, you're gonna show up onFriday.
Um, meals start Friday night toMonday morning, um, but
everything's inclusive.
We'll even pick you up from theairport, um, and you'll be able
to do um uh different sorts ofadventures out there.
(04:42):
So what's cool about the uh thestaccato range is it's not just
a teaching range, they're gonnado experiences.
SPEAKER_00 (04:48):
And and we were out there, um, we've been I've gone
a couple times, and it's notlike your typical range.
I mean it there's um uh whetherit's a ropes course, whether
it's uh I mean, they have aropes course, which is amazing
in itself at a gun range.
Yeah, um, but they also havenatural terrain.
SPEAKER_01 (05:07):
Um they have so we did uh rolling thunder, which is
shooting out of a side by sidewith a PCC, which is a lot of
fun.
They do some of the nightshoots, so you can either shoot
pistol or shotgun at nighttime,which is awesome how often you
get to do that.
SPEAKER_00 (05:20):
Tell us about rolling thunder a little bit
more than just shooting out witha PCC.
SPEAKER_01 (05:24):
Like yeah, so that is like you say it like
everybody does it every day.
Like, yeah, you can do that.
Yeah, you have to shoot out.
I don't know.
So I I just came off of rangedays yesterday, right?
And that was the event I got towork.
So I we probably put over ahundred people through that
event yesterday.
Wow.
Right.
So yeah, so in my mind,everybody should know about it
by now.
Yes, right, yes.
Um, so basically, um you're in aside by side and they've got it
(05:46):
set up to where there's like aum, I don't want to say uh
there's some bars on there soyou can't break the 180, right?
So it's very safe.
Uh-huh.
Um they got a really nice seatthat you're sitting in and
you're facing out the side ofthe, it's not just a regular
side by side.
They've they've done it up alittle bit.
You've got to have a seatbelt onso you're strapped in so that
you, you know, you can't umbounce around all over the
place, right?
Right.
(06:07):
And then um basically you'rejust gonna, you're gonna go.
Yesterday we went anywherebetween eight to sixteen miles
an hour, depending on the skilllevel.
And you're shooting at steeltargets that are down in the
canyon.
So they're kind of in thenatural terrain.
So it's really kind of cool.
You're as you're moving, yougotta kind of keep looking for
them.
And and uh it was very uh Mymouth is hanging open right now.
unknown (06:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:27):
So so That sounds awful for me for me being able
to have everybody go throughyesterday, what I found was um
it was very humbling to a lot ofshooters, right?
I think there was a lot ofpeople that are like, oh, I got
this, I can do this.
The next thing you know, theyget to the end and they're like,
holy crap, that was harder thanI thought.
(06:47):
And it's like, yeah, becauseyou're bouncing around, the dots
moving around.
I'm just like, yeah, there is noum bullseye shooting with this.
I said it's uh what is youracceptable sight picture and
pull the trigger?
Yeah, because there is movement.
SPEAKER_02 (06:58):
So and fast movement.
Yeah.
So it wasn't.
Humbling, that's a very goodword to use.
I would imagine that it alsoputs in perspective those that
work in the field, lawenforcement, military.
I mean, we I was talking to afriend the other day about, you
know, you sit on your teeth,your your couch, and you watch
like training for like specialops and things like that, and
(07:20):
you're like, oh, I can't dothat.
But like when you try somethingthat you're like, oh, I really
could not do that.
SPEAKER_01 (07:24):
Right, right.
But you want to know what'sfunny.
We had those military guys, andwe had some of the law
enforcement there yesterday.
You want to know who did thebest?
Civilians.
The ladies that have not beenshooting very long.
Yes, they did.
SPEAKER_02 (07:37):
Yeah, because they probably didn't overthink it,
and they didn't take in theiroverdrive of training.
SPEAKER_01 (07:42):
Well, and it's like we've said for years.
I mean, you know, we've knowneach other for years and taught
together.
It is a matter of women willsuck up the information, they
will take it in and they willabsorb it, and they will not
have the attitude of, I alreadyknow what I'm doing.
I don't need to listen to you.
Right.
Yeah, right.
I mean, and you asked any anymale instructor that I've talked
to nationwide, that's all theywant to do is teach women
(08:02):
because they're just so open toit.
SPEAKER_02 (08:04):
We're like little kids in that way.
SPEAKER_01 (08:05):
We are, right?
unknown (08:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (08:08):
Or sponges.
Yes.
I think also it's important.
Uh when I first got into threegun, um, Arnold, my husband, he
was like, You go learn fromsomebody else, and learning from
women is it's totally different.
SPEAKER_01 (08:21):
Yes, totally different.
And I use that line all thetime.
Um back home, which is inKalamazoo, Michigan, um, I work
at a local gun store.
Right.
So I get to see that averageperson all the time, right?
And it's it's I look at thehusband so many times and go, I
can tell her things that youcan't.
Right.
Right?
Like I can tell her to hang onto the gun a little bit tighter
with a little bit of force, andshe's gonna be like, Oh, that's
(08:44):
what I gotta do.
And if you tell her to hang onto it, she's gonna be like,
Well, I am.
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (08:50):
And it's not a negative thing, totally
different and it's not anegative thing.
No, it's just literally it'sscience.
Yeah, men and women arephysically built differently,
the way we see thingsdifferently, even like trap,
ski, the way that women perceivethe target is different than men
do.
So it makes sense to have afemale teach you because just
(09:10):
men don't think about thoselittle things.
SPEAKER_00 (09:12):
The other thing is when you hear something from
your husband, it's like you'reyou're you're kind of tuned out.
Yeah, I would go to trainingsand I would come back and say,
Oh my gosh, this is what Ilearned today.
And he's like, That's what I'vebeen telling you to do for three
months.
And I would be like, Oh, yeah,but it just clicked today.
SPEAKER_02 (09:30):
Because yeah, yeah, I heard wah wah wah wah.
And today I heard you should dothis.
It was English acting.
SPEAKER_01 (09:37):
Yes, yes, yes.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (09:41):
Well, we're excited.
SPEAKER_01 (09:42):
Yeah, you know, I think the biggest part of it is
doing um even talking to theladies about the guns.
We want education.
We want, give me details, right?
And if the guys just they kindof like to talk over your head
sometimes.
SPEAKER_00 (09:54):
I've been to gun stores and either been totally
ignored or listening to a guytalk louder and slower to a
female and give her a 45 and saythis is the gun for you.
Yes, yes.
It's like, what?
SPEAKER_01 (10:07):
Yes.
My my favorite thing to do isI'll hear that, the 45, or I'll
hear the uh the little 380revolver.
Yes.
Oh, honey, this is what youneed, and I'll pink one.
And yes, and I'll walk up behindthem and I'll go, you know what?
That gun's gonna kick your butt.
You ain't gonna like it.
And they look at me, and and theguy the guys look at me and I'm
like, Have you actually shot thegun?
(10:28):
Well, yeah, it's not bad.
I said, Yeah, but you're notfemale.
It does have some kick.
I said, now the fact that I'mtelling you that it has it,
you're gonna be prepared now,and you will be able to shoot it
just fine.
Right.
But if I told you it didn't haveanything, you're gonna hang on
to it like a limp noodle andnever shoot again.
And that's where the problemcomes in.
Right.
Yes, yeah.
Just talk to them.
Yeah, yeah.
So absolutely.
(10:49):
So, yeah, so um just to finishup on those uh ladies' adventure
camps, um, if you go to thewebsite um for geez, this is
bad.
They just had a name changeyesterday, so it was Prairie
Fire.
But it's gonna be Prairie Fire.
Google's Chicago Vegas, yes,Chicago Vegas.
And um, we by we should have awhole bunch of dates up on the
(11:10):
website.
Um if you need to come umcontact Lanny Barnes, she's the
one in charge of the programthere.
Do you know how many ladies?
Like, is this gonna be a bigweekend?
My understanding, the thehousing there um is gonna be for
10 ladies.
SPEAKER_00 (11:23):
So this is like smaller and it's gonna be more
inclusive.
So that's amazing becauseeverybody has nine nine friends
that they can say, hey, let'sgo.
Absolutely.
This isn't like a huge weekendwhere you're meeting people.
I mean, you could meet.
It's not like a cruise ship typesituation.
It's uh that is amazing becauseum if you guys all all go
(11:44):
together, how much fun is that?
Oh, you know, or if you wantsomething that is different,
that you want to meet differentladies, then maybe you could put
something out there or um andyou know in my understanding
too, it's not gonna be limitedto 10.
SPEAKER_01 (11:58):
It's just the housing we have at the range is
10.
And let's say there's a biggergroup of ladies that want to
come in, then we just gottafigure out some other housing.
Yeah, or we don't want to put alimit on that, right?
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (12:07):
And I I like that as well because it is that
one-to-one training experience.
Yeah because I think, and wetalk a lot about that this on
this podcast, that many peoplewho have never shot before,
especially females, getintimidated by getting into this
sport.
Yep.
And so by maybe going with agroup of friends that half have
(12:28):
shot, maybe half haven't, theyfeel comfortable, they're with
people that they trust.
It's an intimate setting.
Okay, I can now maybe lower myguard a little bit and do this
and have that confidence that Ican do it and have fun.
SPEAKER_00 (12:39):
And the fact that, I mean, staccato, prairie fire,
they're known to have um likereally great trainers, right?
Right great products.
And so um the fact that you'reout there, I mean, that just
lends credibility to um the thecaliber of training you will get
during the weekend.
SPEAKER_02 (12:57):
Fun intended, yeah, caliber of training.
SPEAKER_01 (13:01):
Yeah, and and you know, the the other thing too
that I I've learned over theyears, don't let the uh um our
knowledge and how long we'vebeen teaching be intimidating at
all because our favorite peopleare the people that have never
touched a gun before and justwant to learn and have fun,
right?
SPEAKER_02 (13:18):
And I into that I was very, very intimidated when
I first came to the WOMA andstarted being around these
competition shooters because itis intimidating, but then you're
like, oh wait, they're alsopeople.
Exactly, and they like me for meand they want to help me.
SPEAKER_01 (13:33):
And you know, that's I think the the most awesome
thing about the group of ladiesthat we with the WOMA with uh
the babies to bullets, all of itis is we're just so down to
earth.
We are just average peopleenjoying what we love to do.
SPEAKER_00 (13:46):
And I'm grateful for that.
And everybody leaves doesn'thave an ego.
No, I mean the women that comeand and the instructors are for
she never quit, are umchampions, you know, and nobody
has an ego.
Everybody uh we had thisconversation at She Never Quit
(14:06):
where I said, I can't evenbelieve that I'm in a in a room
with all these people that areum you know world champions,
international, nationalchampions, Olympians, yeah, and
that you guys actually know myname, you know, and you said I'm
still doing the same thingtoday.
SPEAKER_01 (14:23):
I'm here at Shot Show 2025.
I've been here, I was here in2010, and I'm walking around
going, oh my gosh, what am Idoing here again?
This is freaking amazing, right?
I you know yes, it's very it'svery surreal.
SPEAKER_00 (14:36):
It is, yes, yes, and I mean to be in a room with with
all these ladies and everybodyfeels the same way.
We're just here to for themission, and um, nobody has an
ego.
Everybody is so compassionate,so encouraging, and and when you
say who's who's the biggestbadass, everybody points to
(14:57):
everybody else.
Exactly, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (15:00):
Yes, yes, yeah.
Well, I gotta tell you what,ladies, this has been amazing.
I said this is the way for me tostart out SHAT Show with you two
ladies.
This has been awesome.
SPEAKER_00 (15:09):
Um, us too.
It's our honor.
Yes, we we pinch ourselves allthe time because we can't
believe, first of all, that umwe bought these microphones off
of Amazon and now we're here atSHOT Show in this booth.
SPEAKER_01 (15:22):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (15:22):
Yeah, it's it's bizarre.
I don't know who I am.
But it's pretty cool to seeeverybody walking by and get to
interview.
Like, I think our our um guestsare like the best of the best.
And um to be able to just sitdown for for a couple minutes
and and have them uh like youtake 20 minutes, 30 minutes out
(15:44):
of their shot show, which isonce again.
Very hard to do.
Sometimes you don't have time todrink water or go to the
bathroom.
Right.
Right.
And I mean, I just I feel so umhonored, yeah, you know, to have
have some of these people,especially you, come on.
Um, it's always great to see youand it's and it's always fun.
I mean, you're just hilarious.
And uh I know I walked out ofthe booth and I was like, oh my
(16:06):
god!
SPEAKER_02 (16:07):
And we hugged for like five minutes.
I'm gonna get another one ofthose before I leave.
Obviously, you weren't getting achoice on that yet.
SPEAKER_00 (16:15):
But it has been great.
Um, so uh kind of tell us alittle bit more about what what
is gonna go on at um stagatostaccato Vegas as far as not
just the women stuff, but um youknow, how how is that gonna go?
SPEAKER_01 (16:31):
Do you see more range days, more I know that
yesterday was I guess I'm notreally the one to ask that one,
right?
Because I'm kind of more with uhthe ladies' programs and Laney's
having me come in one one week amonth to come in and help teach
out because I don't live outhere.
Um but I do know that it's notgonna be just focused on
teaching, it's not gonna be justa training place, they're gonna
focus on the experiences aswell, which is awesome.
(16:54):
I mean, because they do umanything.
They do again, we already talkedabout the night shoots, the
rolling thunder.
Um, I have never seen so manysteel targets in my entire life.
Right.
You painted them.
I painted them for the rangeday.
SPEAKER_02 (17:09):
I went through Did you have gloves on?
Because your nails lookimpeccable.
SPEAKER_01 (17:12):
Are they amazing?
SPEAKER_02 (17:12):
They are amazing.
I did my nails for a shot show.
Yes, yes, so they look awesome.
No, but I if I spray paintedthat many steel targets, my
nails would be jacked.
I know, but trust me, I wascautious about it.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (17:23):
When I saw her the other day, she's like, I my
hands don't work.
I'm spray spray painting.
SPEAKER_01 (17:29):
I had to have gone through 25 cans of spray paint.
That is a lot.
And I didn't even paint, I wasnot the only one painting
targets.
That tells you how many targetswere out there.
Wow.
Yeah, it's unbelievable.
Well, there wasn't even close tome.
I maybe did half, not even half.
SPEAKER_00 (17:45):
There's long range out there.
SPEAKER_01 (17:46):
Yeah, so they got the long range rifles, so you
can even shoot up to a mile.
Isn't that amazing?
SPEAKER_02 (17:51):
There's only a few of those ranges in the country
exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (17:54):
Yep.
Yep.
So they but they've got not justa mile, they I believe it goes
up to 1400 on a regular range,and then they've got the range
that you could do a mile.
Yep.
SPEAKER_00 (18:02):
They've got um helicopter, yes, shooting out on
a helicopter.
SPEAKER_01 (18:07):
I'm not sure how often that's gonna be there, if
it's just gonna be like specialoccasions, but I'm sure it'll be
on the website.
But yeah, they had thehelicopter sitting up there.
SPEAKER_02 (18:14):
We were talking about that last night.
I was like, excuse me, what youcan you can do what?
That's now added to my bucketlist along with hugging a baby
kangaroo.
So, you know, that's a good one.
Added to the list.
And petting a shark.
Yeah, yeah, that's up.
SPEAKER_01 (18:28):
You know, that's funny.
My husband asked me the otherday, what do you want to do?
You know, when like when weretire and stuff, and I'm like,
honestly, I have no idea.
I don't have a bucket list.
Oh, you gotta get one.
I have been living my bucketlist.
I was gonna say, right?
I have been living it, beingable to teach with everybody and
travel and do what I love to do.
I've been living my bucket life.
(18:49):
So I'm not sure.
So when I hear other people talkabout that, I'm like, you know,
we are getting close toretirement.
I do need to start thinkingabout certain things that I want
to do, but what compares tothis?
Right.
True.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't think it gets muchbetter than the friends that
I've made and and you know,things I've gotten to do.
But then again, it keeps gettingbetter.
SPEAKER_00 (19:09):
I know there's always a new adventure though.
Hang out with Deb, she'll takeyou somewhere.
SPEAKER_01 (19:15):
That's why I always hang out with her.
I think a little bit of herchaos rubbed off on me when I
seen her the other day.
SPEAKER_02 (19:20):
So it just being in the orb of it, it is.
SPEAKER_00 (19:23):
Yes, yes.
I know um Kay Micheleck told meone time, she said, you know,
you can say no to Deb.
And I said, Why would I?
I I would miss out on so manyadventures if I did, but my life
would be so boring.
SPEAKER_02 (19:37):
But I also feel that it's one of those like
out-of-body experiences.
Your body goes to say no, butyour mouth goes, yes, in like
the no, in the no form, but itsays yes to.
And in your mind, you're going,Oh god, what did I just do?
SPEAKER_00 (19:51):
What did I just do?
It always seems better, likewhen you're thinking about it,
like, yeah, I got this.
And then you go to do it, andyou're like, wait, and other
people are telling you thatyou're crazy.
Yep.
And you're like, wait, wait, I'mc I'm crazy?
Wait, what did I agree to?
And it always works out.
SPEAKER_01 (20:10):
Yeah.
I I hope she realizes how manylives that she's changed
throughout the years.
SPEAKER_02 (20:14):
We remind her of that often.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (20:17):
Quite often.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (20:18):
Yeah.
unknown (20:18):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (20:19):
There's just so much more positive in this world
because of her.
SPEAKER_00 (20:21):
Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (20:23):
Yeah.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (20:24):
Yeah.
And we're we're gonna keep on umjust you know, grabbing her by
the arm and dragging her along.
SPEAKER_01 (20:32):
Oh, I see in the next thing, maybe, well, 15
years, maybe 20 with her.
Oh, absolutely.
We might be pushing her aroundin a wheelchair in 20 years.
That's fine.
But she'll still be out there.
She's gonna have a motorizedthing that goes up to 50 miles
an hour.
SPEAKER_00 (20:45):
You're right.
And she will tell she will runpeople over.
It's gonna be a golf cart.
She said that she went throughshot show one time in a cart
because she broke some with herfoot.
Yeah, she broke her ankle orsomething.
Yeah.
And um, people were running, Imean, like jumping out of the
way because she would not slowit down.
SPEAKER_02 (21:04):
We're gonna okay, so ladies, we're gonna have to
start training now, like runningto keep up with said cart.
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (21:10):
We we may be the younger ones in the bunch, but I
think we're gonna have to payfor it once they get older.
SPEAKER_00 (21:15):
Yes, yes.
She has energy.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah.
Anyway, it's been great havingyou on, Sheila.
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_01 (21:22):
So that it's awesome being here at Chat Show, but I'm
looking forward to the next uhShe Never Quits event.
SPEAKER_00 (21:26):
Yes, I'm so I mean, we love having you there.
The ladies absolutely love you.
You have great energy, and um,and you know, you're just one of
those people that really um cancan get people focused on, you
know, how do I do this?
SPEAKER_01 (21:42):
You're so encouraging, authentic,
passionate, patient.
SPEAKER_00 (21:47):
I mean, I I you're the great package.
SPEAKER_01 (21:50):
Well, thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah, I think I try to keep itsimple and keep it to the
basics, right?
Absolutely.
I mean, when you talk to guysabout stuff, they just confuse
the hell out of me with.
SPEAKER_02 (22:00):
And I'm just like, wait, this is a PCC with 57
grams of 87 over over top undertop.
SPEAKER_00 (22:07):
So far, good, buddy.
SPEAKER_01 (22:08):
Exactly.
Keep it simple.
Keep it English.
Something I understand.
SPEAKER_02 (22:15):
The bullet comes out this end.
Don't point it at anybody.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (22:23):
Oh.
So in order to get a hold ofyou, just contact Prairie Fire
or uh Staccato Las Vegas.
Yep.
I'm sure there's gonna, it'll beon Staccato's website, I'm sure.
Um or have their own.
SPEAKER_01 (22:37):
Yep, Laney, it'll be under the ladies' programs at um
yeah, staccato, vegas.
I'm assuming that's what they'regonna change it.
Everything is so you can look upstaccato vegas or prairie fire
and be able to find it eitherway.
SPEAKER_00 (22:48):
Yep, yep.
SPEAKER_01 (22:49):
All right, exciting, fantastic.
SPEAKER_00 (22:51):
Well, this has been great.
Thank you for being here.
We love you.
Uh love you ladies too.
Thank you.
Awesome.
Thanks for having me.
SPEAKER_01 (22:57):
Yeah, and have a great show.
Yep, thanks.
Welcome to Base with Bullets.
Oh my bullets.
What?
Where are we?
Amateurs and experts.
I'm so nervous.
You guys, I guess I'll do it.
SPEAKER_01 (00:14):
I guess we got the amateur part down, don't we?
SPEAKER_00 (00:17):
We are amateurs.
We're just two chicks withmicrophones.
Yes.
And then Otis and then Deb Debkind of talked Otis into giving
us this booth.
No, I don't know.
They graciously.
I mean, this is freakingamazing.
SPEAKER_02 (00:32):
Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (00:33):
Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_02 (00:33):
Serious.
Okay.
All right.
Welcome to Amateurs and Experts.
We are coming to you from SHOTShow 2025 from the Otis
Technology booth.
It is their 40th anniversary.
SPEAKER_00 (00:45):
Yes.
And this booth is amazing.
Um I mean, it makes us seem likewe're experts.
And a lot cooler than what wereally are, I feel like.
Yes, it makes us cool.
SPEAKER_02 (01:02):
It might give me a complex by the end of the week.
Like I'm more special and famousthan I really am.
SPEAKER_00 (01:07):
Yes.
Yeah.
But I'll take it.
I'll take it.
I'll take the complex.
It looks good on us.
SPEAKER_02 (01:12):
It does.
It does.
I want to take it home with me.
SPEAKER_00 (01:15):
We're here with Sheila Hoekstra.
And she is a true rock star.
Oh my gosh.
Amazing trainer.
Great personality.
If you don't know her, you needto get to know her.
Yes.
Welcome, Sheila.
SPEAKER_01 (01:31):
Well, hello.
Thanks for having me here.
SPEAKER_00 (01:34):
We uh we met, I remember the first time we met
was a babes with bullets threegun match.
And after I it was the first oneI had ever Louisiana, right?
Yeah.
Yep.
And um afterwards you're like,hey, let me give you some
pointers.
And I was like, I took them.
I was like, this is this is mylast stage, and I am so tired.
(01:57):
And you really, I mean, it waseverything I needed to hear.
Wow, that's awesome.
SPEAKER_02 (02:01):
I I think of the first time I met you too, and
you gave me the best shootingtip probably anyone's ever given
me, aside from the second onethat Lanny gave me.
But shooting as a female.
Yeah, yeah, all I had to do isjust motion.
That when you were so used tooften women are taught by men,
(02:22):
and you raise your arms up andyou squish the front of you, and
it's uncomfortable.
And Sheila looks at me, she'slike, girl, just lift up and
over.
And I was like, Oh my god, itwas like the biggest light bulb
went off in my head.
Yeah, and it's the simplestthing.
But had you not, had it not beenfemale, the female, men don't
think about that.
SPEAKER_01 (02:39):
No, men will not tell you that.
No, no, but it's funny, I've hadto use that on a few men too.
I have.
Then they laugh and giggle too.
SPEAKER_02 (02:49):
People do come in all shapes and sizes.
They do.
SPEAKER_00 (02:51):
Yeah, they do.
So, Sheila, you were um a biginstructor with babes and with
bullets.
SPEAKER_01 (02:58):
Yeah, so I was I was fortunate enough to be able to
be one of the instructors withthe babes with bullets.
That was an amazing experienceteaching with those ladies.
Um, I got to do that from 2008to 2019 when they retired.
Um, but I still get to use thecredentials that I'm a babes
instructor, right?
SPEAKER_02 (03:13):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (03:13):
Um that was an amazing, amazing experience.
Um, well, you know the ladies.
I mean, being able to teach withKay and Lisa and Deb and Annette
and Sheila Bray.
I mean, I can go on and on.
SPEAKER_00 (03:23):
And I know, I can't even believe that uh I know
those people.
SPEAKER_01 (03:26):
And I know you and Maggie.
Maggie's here today, too.
I just got done seeing MaggieReese.
She was awesome, right?
You know, and um, but yes, it'sbeen life-changing.
It's been amazing.
Um, and then my next adventure,I ended up uh got to teach at
Hillsdale College.
Um, did a women's program, uh,Liberty programs there for about
10 years.
That's it.
That was amazing.
Yeah, and then I was it wasfortunate enough that I got to
(03:48):
bring in a few of theinstructors that I taught with
from babes into there.
So where I was where they weremy mentor, I got to bring them
in as my where I was the boss.
It's like okay, this is weird.
Yeah, it was very strange.
But uh yeah, now uh and nowLanny uh reached out to me and
uh I'm gonna start teaching withher at uh Prairie Fire.
(04:08):
So cool.
Hence, now Prairie Fire just hada name change, so it's gonna be
Staccato Vegas.
SPEAKER_00 (04:14):
So cool.
Very exciting.
SPEAKER_01 (04:16):
Yep, yep, looking forward to it.
So we're gonna start doing uhladies' adventure weekends.
So cool.
Tell us about it.
Yeah, so it's basically it'sgonna be all inclusive.
Uh, you're gonna show up onFriday.
Um, meals start Friday night toMonday morning, um, but
everything's inclusive.
We'll even pick you up from theairport, um, and you'll be able
to do um uh different sorts ofadventures out there.
(04:42):
So what's cool about the uh thestaccato range is it's not just
a teaching range, they're gonnado experiences.
SPEAKER_00 (04:48):
And and we were out there, um, we've been I've gone
a couple times, and it's notlike your typical range.
I mean it there's um uh whetherit's a ropes course, whether
it's uh I mean, they have aropes course, which is amazing
in itself at a gun range.
Yeah, um, but they also havenatural terrain.
SPEAKER_01 (05:07):
Um they have so we did uh rolling thunder, which is
shooting out of a side by sidewith a PCC, which is a lot of
fun.
They do some of the nightshoots, so you can either shoot
pistol or shotgun at nighttime,which is awesome how often you
get to do that.
SPEAKER_00 (05:20):
Tell us about rolling thunder a little bit
more than just shooting out witha PCC.
SPEAKER_01 (05:24):
Like yeah, so that is like you say it like
everybody does it every day.
Like, yeah, you can do that.
Yeah, you have to shoot out.
I don't know.
So I I just came off of rangedays yesterday, right?
And that was the event I got towork.
So I we probably put over ahundred people through that
event yesterday.
Wow.
Right.
So yeah, so in my mind,everybody should know about it
by now.
Yes, right, yes.
Um, so basically, um you're in aside by side and they've got it
(05:46):
set up to where there's like aum, I don't want to say uh
there's some bars on there soyou can't break the 180, right?
So it's very safe.
Uh-huh.
Um they got a really nice seatthat you're sitting in and
you're facing out the side ofthe, it's not just a regular
side by side.
They've they've done it up alittle bit.
You've got to have a seatbelt onso you're strapped in so that
you, you know, you can't umbounce around all over the
place, right?
Right.
(06:07):
And then um basically you'rejust gonna, you're gonna go.
Yesterday we went anywherebetween eight to sixteen miles
an hour, depending on the skilllevel.
And you're shooting at steeltargets that are down in the
canyon.
So they're kind of in thenatural terrain.
So it's really kind of cool.
You're as you're moving, yougotta kind of keep looking for
them.
And and uh it was very uh Mymouth is hanging open right now.
unknown (06:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:27):
So so That sounds awful for me for me being able
to have everybody go throughyesterday, what I found was um
it was very humbling to a lot ofshooters, right?
I think there was a lot ofpeople that are like, oh, I got
this, I can do this.
The next thing you know, theyget to the end and they're like,
holy crap, that was harder thanI thought.
(06:47):
And it's like, yeah, becauseyou're bouncing around, the dots
moving around.
I'm just like, yeah, there is noum bullseye shooting with this.
I said it's uh what is youracceptable sight picture and
pull the trigger?
Yeah, because there is movement.
SPEAKER_02 (06:58):
So and fast movement.
Yeah.
So it wasn't.
Humbling, that's a very goodword to use.
I would imagine that it alsoputs in perspective those that
work in the field, lawenforcement, military.
I mean, we I was talking to afriend the other day about, you
know, you sit on your teeth,your your couch, and you watch
like training for like specialops and things like that, and
(07:20):
you're like, oh, I can't dothat.
But like when you try somethingthat you're like, oh, I really
could not do that.
SPEAKER_01 (07:24):
Right, right.
But you want to know what'sfunny.
We had those military guys, andwe had some of the law
enforcement there yesterday.
You want to know who did thebest?
Civilians.
The ladies that have not beenshooting very long.
Yes, they did.
SPEAKER_02 (07:37):
Yeah, because they probably didn't overthink it,
and they didn't take in theiroverdrive of training.
SPEAKER_01 (07:42):
Well, and it's like we've said for years.
I mean, you know, we've knowneach other for years and taught
together.
It is a matter of women willsuck up the information, they
will take it in and they willabsorb it, and they will not
have the attitude of, I alreadyknow what I'm doing.
I don't need to listen to you.
Right.
Yeah, right.
I mean, and you asked any anymale instructor that I've talked
to nationwide, that's all theywant to do is teach women
(08:02):
because they're just so open toit.
SPEAKER_02 (08:04):
We're like little kids in that way.
SPEAKER_01 (08:05):
We are, right?
unknown (08:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (08:08):
Or sponges.
Yes.
I think also it's important.
Uh when I first got into threegun, um, Arnold, my husband, he
was like, You go learn fromsomebody else, and learning from
women is it's totally different.
SPEAKER_01 (08:21):
Yes, totally different.
And I use that line all thetime.
Um back home, which is inKalamazoo, Michigan, um, I work
at a local gun store.
Right.
So I get to see that averageperson all the time, right?
And it's it's I look at thehusband so many times and go, I
can tell her things that youcan't.
Right.
Right?
Like I can tell her to hang onto the gun a little bit tighter
with a little bit of force, andshe's gonna be like, Oh, that's
(08:44):
what I gotta do.
And if you tell her to hang onto it, she's gonna be like,
Well, I am.
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (08:50):
And it's not a negative thing, totally
different and it's not anegative thing.
No, it's just literally it'sscience.
Yeah, men and women arephysically built differently,
the way we see thingsdifferently, even like trap,
ski, the way that women perceivethe target is different than men
do.
So it makes sense to have afemale teach you because just
(09:10):
men don't think about thoselittle things.
SPEAKER_00 (09:12):
The other thing is when you hear something from
your husband, it's like you'reyou're you're kind of tuned out.
Yeah, I would go to trainingsand I would come back and say,
Oh my gosh, this is what Ilearned today.
And he's like, That's what I'vebeen telling you to do for three
months.
And I would be like, Oh, yeah,but it just clicked today.
SPEAKER_02 (09:30):
Because yeah, yeah, I heard wah wah wah wah.
And today I heard you should dothis.
It was English acting.
SPEAKER_01 (09:37):
Yes, yes, yes.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (09:41):
Well, we're excited.
SPEAKER_01 (09:42):
Yeah, you know, I think the biggest part of it is
doing um even talking to theladies about the guns.
We want education.
We want, give me details, right?
And if the guys just they kindof like to talk over your head
sometimes.
SPEAKER_00 (09:54):
I've been to gun stores and either been totally
ignored or listening to a guytalk louder and slower to a
female and give her a 45 and saythis is the gun for you.
Yes, yes.
It's like, what?
SPEAKER_01 (10:07):
Yes.
My my favorite thing to do isI'll hear that, the 45, or I'll
hear the uh the little 380revolver.
Yes.
Oh, honey, this is what youneed, and I'll pink one.
And yes, and I'll walk up behindthem and I'll go, you know what?
That gun's gonna kick your butt.
You ain't gonna like it.
And they look at me, and and theguy the guys look at me and I'm
like, Have you actually shot thegun?
(10:28):
Well, yeah, it's not bad.
I said, Yeah, but you're notfemale.
It does have some kick.
I said, now the fact that I'mtelling you that it has it,
you're gonna be prepared now,and you will be able to shoot it
just fine.
Right.
But if I told you it didn't haveanything, you're gonna hang on
to it like a limp noodle andnever shoot again.
And that's where the problemcomes in.
Right.
Yes, yeah.
Just talk to them.
Yeah, yeah.
So absolutely.
(10:49):
So, yeah, so um just to finishup on those uh ladies' adventure
camps, um, if you go to thewebsite um for geez, this is
bad.
They just had a name changeyesterday, so it was Prairie
Fire.
But it's gonna be Prairie Fire.
Google's Chicago Vegas, yes,Chicago Vegas.
And um, we by we should have awhole bunch of dates up on the
(11:10):
website.
Um if you need to come umcontact Lanny Barnes, she's the
one in charge of the programthere.
Do you know how many ladies?
Like, is this gonna be a bigweekend?
My understanding, the thehousing there um is gonna be for
10 ladies.
SPEAKER_00 (11:23):
So this is like smaller and it's gonna be more
inclusive.
So that's amazing becauseeverybody has nine nine friends
that they can say, hey, let'sgo.
Absolutely.
This isn't like a huge weekendwhere you're meeting people.
I mean, you could meet.
It's not like a cruise ship typesituation.
It's uh that is amazing becauseum if you guys all all go
(11:44):
together, how much fun is that?
Oh, you know, or if you wantsomething that is different,
that you want to meet differentladies, then maybe you could put
something out there or um andyou know in my understanding
too, it's not gonna be limitedto 10.
SPEAKER_01 (11:58):
It's just the housing we have at the range is
10.
And let's say there's a biggergroup of ladies that want to
come in, then we just gottafigure out some other housing.
Yeah, or we don't want to put alimit on that, right?
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (12:07):
And I I like that as well because it is that
one-to-one training experience.
Yeah because I think, and wetalk a lot about that this on
this podcast, that many peoplewho have never shot before,
especially females, getintimidated by getting into this
sport.
Yep.
And so by maybe going with agroup of friends that half have
(12:28):
shot, maybe half haven't, theyfeel comfortable, they're with
people that they trust.
It's an intimate setting.
Okay, I can now maybe lower myguard a little bit and do this
and have that confidence that Ican do it and have fun.
SPEAKER_00 (12:39):
And the fact that, I mean, staccato, prairie fire,
they're known to have um likereally great trainers, right?
Right great products.
And so um the fact that you'reout there, I mean, that just
lends credibility to um the thecaliber of training you will get
during the weekend.
SPEAKER_02 (12:57):
Fun intended, yeah, caliber of training.
SPEAKER_01 (13:01):
Yeah, and and you know, the the other thing too
that I I've learned over theyears, don't let the uh um our
knowledge and how long we'vebeen teaching be intimidating at
all because our favorite peopleare the people that have never
touched a gun before and justwant to learn and have fun,
right?
SPEAKER_02 (13:18):
And I into that I was very, very intimidated when
I first came to the WOMA andstarted being around these
competition shooters because itis intimidating, but then you're
like, oh wait, they're alsopeople.
Exactly, and they like me for meand they want to help me.
SPEAKER_01 (13:33):
And you know, that's I think the the most awesome
thing about the group of ladiesthat we with the WOMA with uh
the babies to bullets, all of itis is we're just so down to
earth.
We are just average peopleenjoying what we love to do.
SPEAKER_00 (13:46):
And I'm grateful for that.
And everybody leaves doesn'thave an ego.
No, I mean the women that comeand and the instructors are for
she never quit, are umchampions, you know, and nobody
has an ego.
Everybody uh we had thisconversation at She Never Quit
(14:06):
where I said, I can't evenbelieve that I'm in a in a room
with all these people that areum you know world champions,
international, nationalchampions, Olympians, yeah, and
that you guys actually know myname, you know, and you said I'm
still doing the same thingtoday.
SPEAKER_01 (14:23):
I'm here at Shot Show 2025.
I've been here, I was here in2010, and I'm walking around
going, oh my gosh, what am Idoing here again?
This is freaking amazing, right?
I you know yes, it's very it'svery surreal.
SPEAKER_00 (14:36):
It is, yes, yes, and I mean to be in a room with with
all these ladies and everybodyfeels the same way.
We're just here to for themission, and um, nobody has an
ego.
Everybody is so compassionate,so encouraging, and and when you
say who's who's the biggestbadass, everybody points to
(14:57):
everybody else.
Exactly, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (15:00):
Yes, yes, yeah.
Well, I gotta tell you what,ladies, this has been amazing.
I said this is the way for me tostart out SHAT Show with you two
ladies.
This has been awesome.
SPEAKER_00 (15:09):
Um, us too.
It's our honor.
Yes, we we pinch ourselves allthe time because we can't
believe, first of all, that umwe bought these microphones off
of Amazon and now we're here atSHOT Show in this booth.
SPEAKER_01 (15:22):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (15:22):
Yeah, it's it's bizarre.
I don't know who I am.
But it's pretty cool to seeeverybody walking by and get to
interview.
Like, I think our our um guestsare like the best of the best.
And um to be able to just sitdown for for a couple minutes
and and have them uh like youtake 20 minutes, 30 minutes out
(15:44):
of their shot show, which isonce again.
Very hard to do.
Sometimes you don't have time todrink water or go to the
bathroom.
Right.
Right.
And I mean, I just I feel so umhonored, yeah, you know, to have
have some of these people,especially you, come on.
Um, it's always great to see youand it's and it's always fun.
I mean, you're just hilarious.
And uh I know I walked out ofthe booth and I was like, oh my
(16:06):
god!
SPEAKER_02 (16:07):
And we hugged for like five minutes.
I'm gonna get another one ofthose before I leave.
Obviously, you weren't getting achoice on that yet.
SPEAKER_00 (16:15):
But it has been great.
Um, so uh kind of tell us alittle bit more about what what
is gonna go on at um stagatostaccato Vegas as far as not
just the women stuff, but um youknow, how how is that gonna go?
SPEAKER_01 (16:31):
Do you see more range days, more I know that
yesterday was I guess I'm notreally the one to ask that one,
right?
Because I'm kind of more with uhthe ladies' programs and Laney's
having me come in one one week amonth to come in and help teach
out because I don't live outhere.
Um but I do know that it's notgonna be just focused on
teaching, it's not gonna be justa training place, they're gonna
focus on the experiences aswell, which is awesome.
(16:54):
I mean, because they do umanything.
They do again, we already talkedabout the night shoots, the
rolling thunder.
Um, I have never seen so manysteel targets in my entire life.
Right.
You painted them.
I painted them for the rangeday.
SPEAKER_02 (17:09):
I went through Did you have gloves on?
Because your nails lookimpeccable.
SPEAKER_01 (17:12):
Are they amazing?
SPEAKER_02 (17:12):
They are amazing.
I did my nails for a shot show.
Yes, yes, so they look awesome.
No, but I if I spray paintedthat many steel targets, my
nails would be jacked.
I know, but trust me, I wascautious about it.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (17:23):
When I saw her the other day, she's like, I my
hands don't work.
I'm spray spray painting.
SPEAKER_01 (17:29):
I had to have gone through 25 cans of spray paint.
That is a lot.
And I didn't even paint, I wasnot the only one painting
targets.
That tells you how many targetswere out there.
Wow.
Yeah, it's unbelievable.
Well, there wasn't even close tome.
I maybe did half, not even half.
SPEAKER_00 (17:45):
There's long range out there.
SPEAKER_01 (17:46):
Yeah, so they got the long range rifles, so you
can even shoot up to a mile.
Isn't that amazing?
SPEAKER_02 (17:51):
There's only a few of those ranges in the country
exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (17:54):
Yep.
Yep.
So they but they've got not justa mile, they I believe it goes
up to 1400 on a regular range,and then they've got the range
that you could do a mile.
Yep.
SPEAKER_00 (18:02):
They've got um helicopter, yes, shooting out on
a helicopter.
SPEAKER_01 (18:07):
I'm not sure how often that's gonna be there, if
it's just gonna be like specialoccasions, but I'm sure it'll be
on the website.
But yeah, they had thehelicopter sitting up there.
SPEAKER_02 (18:14):
We were talking about that last night.
I was like, excuse me, what youcan you can do what?
That's now added to my bucketlist along with hugging a baby
kangaroo.
So, you know, that's a good one.
Added to the list.
And petting a shark.
Yeah, yeah, that's up.
SPEAKER_01 (18:28):
You know, that's funny.
My husband asked me the otherday, what do you want to do?
You know, when like when weretire and stuff, and I'm like,
honestly, I have no idea.
I don't have a bucket list.
Oh, you gotta get one.
I have been living my bucketlist.
I was gonna say, right?
I have been living it, beingable to teach with everybody and
travel and do what I love to do.
I've been living my bucket life.
(18:49):
So I'm not sure.
So when I hear other people talkabout that, I'm like, you know,
we are getting close toretirement.
I do need to start thinkingabout certain things that I want
to do, but what compares tothis?
Right.
True.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't think it gets muchbetter than the friends that
I've made and and you know,things I've gotten to do.
But then again, it keeps gettingbetter.
SPEAKER_00 (19:09):
I know there's always a new adventure though.
Hang out with Deb, she'll takeyou somewhere.
SPEAKER_01 (19:15):
That's why I always hang out with her.
I think a little bit of herchaos rubbed off on me when I
seen her the other day.
SPEAKER_02 (19:20):
So it just being in the orb of it, it is.
SPEAKER_00 (19:23):
Yes, yes.
I know um Kay Micheleck told meone time, she said, you know,
you can say no to Deb.
And I said, Why would I?
I I would miss out on so manyadventures if I did, but my life
would be so boring.
SPEAKER_02 (19:37):
But I also feel that it's one of those like
out-of-body experiences.
Your body goes to say no, butyour mouth goes, yes, in like
the no, in the no form, but itsays yes to.
And in your mind, you're going,Oh god, what did I just do?
SPEAKER_00 (19:51):
What did I just do?
It always seems better, likewhen you're thinking about it,
like, yeah, I got this.
And then you go to do it, andyou're like, wait, and other
people are telling you thatyou're crazy.
Yep.
And you're like, wait, wait, I'mc I'm crazy?
Wait, what did I agree to?
And it always works out.
SPEAKER_01 (20:10):
Yeah.
I I hope she realizes how manylives that she's changed
throughout the years.
SPEAKER_02 (20:14):
We remind her of that often.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (20:17):
Quite often.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (20:18):
Yeah.
unknown (20:18):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (20:19):
There's just so much more positive in this world
because of her.
SPEAKER_00 (20:21):
Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (20:23):
Yeah.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (20:24):
Yeah.
And we're we're gonna keep on umjust you know, grabbing her by
the arm and dragging her along.
SPEAKER_01 (20:32):
Oh, I see in the next thing, maybe, well, 15
years, maybe 20 with her.
Oh, absolutely.
We might be pushing her aroundin a wheelchair in 20 years.
That's fine.
But she'll still be out there.
She's gonna have a motorizedthing that goes up to 50 miles
an hour.
SPEAKER_00 (20:45):
You're right.
And she will tell she will runpeople over.
It's gonna be a golf cart.
She said that she went throughshot show one time in a cart
because she broke some with herfoot.
Yeah, she broke her ankle orsomething.
Yeah.
And um, people were running, Imean, like jumping out of the
way because she would not slowit down.
SPEAKER_02 (21:04):
We're gonna okay, so ladies, we're gonna have to
start training now, like runningto keep up with said cart.
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (21:10):
We we may be the younger ones in the bunch, but I
think we're gonna have to payfor it once they get older.
SPEAKER_00 (21:15):
Yes, yes.
She has energy.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah.
Anyway, it's been great havingyou on, Sheila.
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_01 (21:22):
So that it's awesome being here at Chat Show, but I'm
looking forward to the next uhShe Never Quits event.
SPEAKER_00 (21:26):
Yes, I'm so I mean, we love having you there.
The ladies absolutely love you.
You have great energy, and um,and you know, you're just one of
those people that really um cancan get people focused on, you
know, how do I do this?
SPEAKER_01 (21:42):
You're so encouraging, authentic,
passionate, patient.
SPEAKER_00 (21:47):
I mean, I I you're the great package.
SPEAKER_01 (21:50):
Well, thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah, I think I try to keep itsimple and keep it to the
basics, right?
Absolutely.
I mean, when you talk to guysabout stuff, they just confuse
the hell out of me with.
SPEAKER_02 (22:00):
And I'm just like, wait, this is a PCC with 57
grams of 87 over over top undertop.
SPEAKER_00 (22:07):
So far, good, buddy.
SPEAKER_01 (22:08):
Exactly.
Keep it simple.
Keep it English.
Something I understand.
SPEAKER_02 (22:15):
The bullet comes out this end.
Don't point it at anybody.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (22:23):
Oh.
So in order to get a hold ofyou, just contact Prairie Fire
or uh Staccato Las Vegas.
Yep.
I'm sure there's gonna, it'll beon Staccato's website, I'm sure.
Um or have their own.
SPEAKER_01 (22:37):
Yep, Laney, it'll be under the ladies' programs at um
yeah, staccato, vegas.
I'm assuming that's what they'regonna change it.
Everything is so you can look upstaccato vegas or prairie fire
and be able to find it eitherway.
SPEAKER_00 (22:48):
Yep, yep.
SPEAKER_01 (22:49):
All right, exciting, fantastic.
SPEAKER_00 (22:51):
Well, this has been great.
Thank you for being here.
We love you.
Uh love you ladies too.
Thank you.
Awesome.
Thanks for having me.
SPEAKER_01 (22:57):
Yeah, and have a great show.
Yep, thanks.
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