August 25, 2026 • 23 mins
Are your iron sights starting to look a little blurry? In this episode recorded live at the 2026 SHOT Show, hosts Erica Chin and Maggie Reese sit down with Tes from HIVIZ Shooting Systems. Tes talks about returning to horseback riding after two decades away and how younger athletes keep her humble. Maggie shares a similar story about competing in world championships alongside talented teenager Morgan.
The group discusses how visual changes impact shooting as people get older. Tes explains how HIVIZ designs innovative products to solve these challenges for all types of shooters. She highlights the FastDot H3, a unique sight system that combines features of iron sights and red dots for faster target acquisition. This site works well in low light and helps shooters with astigmatism or cross-eye dominance. Anyone looking to upgrade their firearm sights can visit HIVIZ online to explore their full line of products.
Mentioned Links
- 07:08 - HIVIZ Shooting Systems (Firearm sight manufacturer)
- 10:07 - FastDot H3 (Specific HIVIZ sight model)
- 19:01 - LightWave Co-Witness Sights (Specific HIVIZ product line)
- 20:53 - Magni-Optics Line (Specific HIVIZ shotgun sight product line)
- 22:49 - hivizsights.com (Official online store for HIVIZ)
Key Takeaways
- Passion and skill are not limited by age; younger competitors can inspire experienced adults.
- Firearm sights are frequently overlooked, yet they are crucial for speed and accuracy.
- The FastDot H3 offers a low-profile, single-dot alternative that bridges iron sights and red dots.
- 24-hour tritium and fiber-optic illumination helps shooters maintain target focus without blinding dot intensity in low light.
- Custom sight setups, such as magnetic or co-witness options, assist shooters dealing with astigmatism, eye dominance, or age-related vision changes.
Keywords Used Amateurs and Experts Podcast, SHOT Show, Otis Technology, HIVIZ, Horseback Riding, FastDot H3, Iron Sights, Red Dot, Fiber Optics, Tritium, Co-Witness, Sight Acquisition, Target Focus, Astigmatism, Cross-Eye Dominance.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:14):
Welcome to Amateurs and Experts Podcast.
I'm Erica Chin, and I'm withMaggie Reese here, and we are at
2026 Shot Show in the OtisTechnology booth, and I am so
excited to have Tess here withus from Hivez.
Um, I mean, we've been friendsfor years, and we've had so much
(00:35):
fun together, and we had her onour podcast the other like last
year or the year before, and itwas so much fun.
I had no clue how cool you were.
I mean, I know you were cool,but the things that we talked
about, I was mind-blown.
I mean, your personal life andeverything, and I mean, it's
amazing.
So I'm excited to have you here,Tess.
SPEAKER_02 (00:56):
Well, thank you for having me.
I'm excited to be here.
We definitely had a really goodtime last week.
SPEAKER_01 (01:02):
I mean, we talked about trap B's, we talked about
horses, we talked about, youknow, the Olympics.
I mean, wow.
What else are you into?
I know I well, I know you'reback to horses, right?
SPEAKER_02 (01:13):
Uh yeah, I started horseback riding again uh this
past year um at DallasEquestrian Center in Dallas,
Texas, and I just ride once aweek.
Um just trying to get my my feetback in the stirrups,
essentially.
Um I took a 23-year break fromcompetitive horseback riding and
yeah, I found this barn, theyaccepted me, and now I get to
ride once a week and differentlesson horses, and I'm being
(01:37):
humbled every second.
Oh fun.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (01:40):
Do you want to get back into competition or are you
just doing it just to to kind offeel it again?
SPEAKER_02 (01:45):
I would like to get back into competition
eventually.
Uh well, horseback riding is soexpensive, and you know, and so
more than guns.
SPEAKER_00 (01:53):
I mean, we always sit here and we're like, oh my
gosh, you know, once you getinto guns, it is so expensive.
Really?
And then a horse person comesalong and says, Oh, that ain't
nothing.
SPEAKER_02 (02:02):
Well, just think of it this way.
The whenever unless you'reshooting your gun, it's not
eating.
Well, that's a horse, a horseeats whether or not you're
riding it.
Okay, I get that.
SPEAKER_01 (02:10):
All right.
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (02:12):
So yeah, no, um, I would like to eventually show a
little bit.
Uh, I've told my barn um I needanother year of lessons
underneath me.
Right now, I'm I was only ridingonce a week just to kind of get,
you know, more so for my souland my heart than anything.
Yeah.
Um, and now I this year I'mlike, okay, now my competitive
spirit's coming back.
So I'm like, okay, maybe twice aweek.
(02:34):
I'm gonna try for twice a week,several times a month, you know,
but we have been doing nostirrup work and I'm questioning
my life choices again.
SPEAKER_00 (02:42):
So I tell Erica all the time, every day, I am
questioning my life choices.
SPEAKER_02 (02:48):
Yes, well, it's so funny because I ride, um, I ride
with young young women and fromthe ages of like 12 to you know
19, they're still in highschool, and every now and then I
get to ride with the adults, butI'm more in the intermediate.
I've asked to be brought backbecause I'm like, yeah, I could
do the more advanced stuff, butit's I'm not here to jump three
feet.
I want to like get back into itbecause whenever I first
(03:08):
started, I was like, put me inthe walk-trot classes.
And they're like, No, you'reabove that.
Like, but am I really?
Like, I don't know.
So um, I'm riding with theseyoung women, and every now and
then I I try to cheat, I willadmit.
Um, and so the last lesson Ihad, we had to trot around the
arena three times, and we weredoing some dressage work, so
it's a lot of like using yourlegs and hands independently and
(03:31):
your pelvis as well.
So, you know, you've goteverything going different
directions, and so um it is alittle bit harder, but we were
doing it no stirrups, and we hadto do three times three or four
times around trotting each waywith no stirrups, sitting trot,
posting trot, doing differentleg yields and and those types
of things, and then uh we had tocanter four times around the
arena without our stirrups aswell, and so I would do one time
(03:54):
around and I would stop.
And then I did one time aroundand I would stop.
So I did one direction and thenext direction.
My I was burning from my bellybutton and my toes.
And so I did one loop around andI realized nobody was paying
attention, and so I just wentand stood in the middle of the
arena, and one of the littlegirls goes, Is that all?
SPEAKER_01 (04:14):
It's very humbling sometimes, and you're just like
I'm going again.
Don't judge me.
SPEAKER_02 (04:25):
Exactly.
And then she was maybe 14, 15,you know, and I was like, Thank
you for keeping me humble andthank you for keeping me honest,
but I am dying.
SPEAKER_00 (04:34):
But isn't that so much about life, though?
You have to find your passion inlife, you have to find something
that really excites you and itand and that drives you enough
to want to push through and tokeep on going and become better
and and not let some little14-year-old tell you.
SPEAKER_02 (04:52):
Hey, you know what though?
That's also I think that it's agood life lesson.
It's a good reminder to me thatit doesn't I you you don't just
learn lessons by people yourage, you don't just learn
lessons by people older thanyou.
Like you can if you truly openyour mind and open your heart,
everybody around you of all agesis teaching you something at all
times, and I think that thatthat to me is the bigger the
(05:14):
bigger lesson of it.
Um I'm one of the little girlsthat I ride with, I thought she
might be 12 years old, and sherides this little pony, and
she's just running around thearena, no strops all the time,
and I am so inspired by her.
And you know, I just every timeI'm so proud of her.
Like, I'm just like, you like gogirl, go, you know.
I shot I shot I want to be likeher.
(05:36):
She's 12, and I'm like, I wantto be like you, you know, and so
it's yeah, it's inspiring.
SPEAKER_00 (05:41):
I I just shot a world championship.
I was on the US team and we werein Thailand, and um, I won't say
my age, but I've been doing thisfor a long time.
And the the two other ladies onthe team with me, one of them
was in their 20s and one of themwas in their teens, and who
ended up being the worldchampion was the sweetest,
sweetest lady Morgan, 15 yearsold.
(06:03):
And I had to go home, and all myfriends were like, wait a
second, a 15-year-old beat you?
And I'm like, Yes, she did.
Yes, yes, you know, yes, shedid.
So, but skill sets come, youknow, to people of all ages if
you put your heart into it.
SPEAKER_02 (06:18):
Absolutely, absolutely.
So it's all and it's you know,it it's also, I think, for us as
we get older, it's always a goodreminder that we're all still a
kid at heart and that we allstill have it, and also a
reminder that we were there oncetoo, and yes, it's fun to look
back and kind of reminisce onwhat you were doing at that age.
I don't like when did you startshooting?
SPEAKER_00 (06:35):
I didn't start shooting until I was 18.
Okay, so you know, she had anadvantage on me.
SPEAKER_02 (06:41):
She did, but I'm pretty sure watching her brought
back some memories.
SPEAKER_00 (06:45):
It really did.
Um, you know, she was out there,her dad was competing as well,
and so and and they were justawesome, and and you know, and
she's got this incredibletalent, and he's pushing her
forward, and um, and it's reallyfun, and it's really fun just to
see people find their passion inlife.
Right, yeah, for sure.
Yeah, that's so cool.
Yeah.
So I imagine you're prettypassionate about high-viz.
SPEAKER_02 (07:08):
I am, yes.
I have been with the company nowfor seven years, and they are um
an absolutely amazing company towork for.
Um, they're veryfamily-oriented.
Um, we have a great team, um,and they're passionate about the
shooting sports and hunting andgetting their people out in the
fields to not just work in thework in the industry, but to
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actually like use the product.
And I'm very fortunate to beable to have them encourage me
to get out and shoot matches anddo the things.
But also, you know, we get to tobe out and listen to the
customer and be with a customerso that we can bring that bring
that feedback back to thecompany um and hear about our
products and how they're workingfor people or not working for
people, or what what problemspeople are having so that we can
(07:52):
work to innovate our products toimprove the art of shooting.
SPEAKER_00 (07:55):
So I love that.
Yeah, what a great line.
What a great line.
And everybody says that aboutthis industry, and they're like,
no, it's a family company.
But this industry really doesbelieve in like investing in
people and and retaining themand and making sure that they're
happy, and like you said,connecting to the end user and
and making it something that'sreally, really accessible that
(08:18):
they're they're getting thatfeedback on.
SPEAKER_02 (08:20):
Yeah, I agree.
I agree.
I feel like that's where we arevery lucky as well.
Um, because like you said, youget to go out and compete with
the people and also inspireother people and and also teach
them um what we're about.
But I mean, we were founded onmore like, you know, I guess
coming up through families andcoming up through generations,
and bringing that back into theindustry as well is still
(08:41):
important because with all thesenew companies popping up, and as
the in this industry uh changesand and grows, I think that
sometimes that can be lost.
But whenever we stay connectedto our roots, it really keeps us
grounded and helps us stayconnected to what's important.
SPEAKER_00 (08:57):
Well, I'm excited because my vision is not so hot.
We are here to help you out.
The older we get.
It is, it really is fuzzier thesight gets.
Yes, I I have always shot ironsights.
Like I'm a 1911 shooter, like Ialways shot 9 iron sights, and
(09:18):
I'm like, they're a little hardto see these days.
I don't know why.
SPEAKER_02 (09:22):
You know, I always say that sights are probably the
most undervalued part of a partof a firearm.
Everyone, whenever somebodypicks up a new gun, they always
talk about, oh, it looks nice,it feels nice, the trigger, the
grip.
They very rarely talk about thesights until either they can't
see them anymore or you removethem.
And then all of a sudden they'relike, wait a second.
(09:43):
That's a key component.
SPEAKER_01 (09:46):
Yes, you take it for granted.
SPEAKER_02 (09:48):
Exactly, exactly.
But we're here for you.
And I'd be happy to walk youthrough our line of products
when we're done.
We can keep you on target.
SPEAKER_00 (09:58):
I'm gonna take you up on that because you know, my
arms are only so long and I canonly hold the things out so far
in front of me.
Exactly.
But you have a really coolproduct.
SPEAKER_02 (10:07):
We do.
Um, so we um pride ourselves oninnovation.
I mean, we from the verybeginning of iviz, they have uh
taken fiber optic sites and wecreated the interlocking light
pipe system where we havereusable light pipes and
interchangeable light pipes sothat you can change them color
um to whatever environment orlighting conditions that you're
(10:28):
in within seconds.
Um we make them for rifles,pistols, and shotguns.
Um we integrated some tech uhtritium uh past several years as
well.
So now we also have tritium andfiber optic lights light pipes.
Um and then now we have gottensome more innovative products.
Um, one of our first innovativeproducts was the TriViz for
shotguns, and our owner loves tostay on the edge of innovation.
(10:51):
Um in this inner industry it isvery difficult to come up with
innovation.
I I always joke about the factthat oh, our you know, the the
people who did it the first timedid it right.
So we haven't had to do a lot ofchanges over the years.
So sites are one of those thingsthat is very difficult to come
up with something innovative.
But we launched the fast dot h3a couple of years ago, and we
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were trying to bridge the gapand give it give people a third
option for sighting systems.
We're trying to bridge the gapbetween iron sights and a red
dot.
Um so this is the fast dot h3,and it is a it um it um sorry,
no, I just want to make surethat it's on camera because it's
really cool.
Yeah, it is.
(11:32):
So this is a it's a a it's atwo-site system.
It um mounts just like your ironsights, but it's a single dot
system.
So it has a low profile designso that you can use your regular
holster with it.
Um and then it's also becauseit's like iron sights, it's
faster site acquisition.
So when people struggle with ared dot, struggle to find the
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red dot, this is gonna come upnaturally.
Um the other thing is that wehave uh it's you get more target
visibility because you don'thave a frame around the site.
And then also it gives youpositive sight feedback.
So I don't know if you want tolook at it.
I'll let you look at it.
SPEAKER_01 (12:08):
I might I'm sorry, I just jumped in front of Erica.
No, I just needed.
I think yeah, I actually uh shotit.
SPEAKER_02 (12:15):
What you see is the rear sight has tritium and fiber
optic in it, and we have amagnified lens in there.
So when the sights are aligned,the rear sight is magnified, the
tritium is magnified, so therear sight appears to quote turn
on.
Um so when you see green, youwere aligned and you know that
you can you can pull thetrigger.
SPEAKER_00 (12:33):
It it looks like it lights up.
I'm I'm just like the wholetime, like you know, we used to
like try and explain to people,brand new shooters, like how do
you know when your sights arelined up and we're all doing the
fingers and everything?
And now you have like a anactual Go system of like you
know, green is go.
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_02 (12:57):
Where your muzzle is, right, left, up, down, yeah.
Um, so yeah, so it's I it'sreally fun.
It's 24-hour illuminationbecause of the tritium in the
rear sight, uh-huh.
Um, and you get the positivesight feedback, and also you
because of the positive sightfeedback, you can be both
targeted focused.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
Um yeah, so in it's for personaldefense, like we said, it's it's
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not to take over either sightingsystem, it's just a third
option, and it's been one of ourmost popular sites since we
launched launched it.
SPEAKER_00 (13:24):
So and I bet, and and just for brand new shooters,
but I uh of course, not just forbrand new shooters, but I think
it's such a great concept justto get you invested and
understanding what it is thatyou're supposed to see visually.
Yes.
And then it has applicationslater on that you're just gonna
want to keep going with.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_02 (13:41):
And we we think it's I mean, you know, whenever we
launched it, we went to rangeday, and I we actually learned a
lot about um the site frompeople who were trying it out
because they we hadn't thoughtabout new shooters, and you
know, a bunch of instructorswere saying, Oh, we would love
to start on this, or the shooterwho doesn't want to go to the
range and practice with the reddot so that whatever they draw,
they know where that red dot is.
(14:02):
This is the perfect thingbecause it's it's it's faster
sight acquisition because itmounts like your iron sights.
It's a low profile design, youriron sights are always going to
be more aligned, and so youdon't have the offset to try to
find that dot.
So it's a perfect for somebodywho wants a single dot system
but doesn't want to go to therange and put all the work into
things.
SPEAKER_00 (14:22):
Um, and I think it's really important.
I you know, dry firing is notfun, like like it's it's just
not, but it is such an importantaspect of learning your firearm
because you get so much moreinformation when you're not
being distracted by it goingbang.
Absolutely.
You know, so you need that timeat home, but sometimes you can
get a little bit sloppy withyour dry fire because you're you
(14:45):
don't have to prove it.
You don't have to prove it bypulling the trigger.
Exactly.
So this gives you an opportunityto learn the mechanics of the
gun and make sure that you areacquiring the sights properly.
SPEAKER_02 (14:55):
Absolutely, yeah.
The positive sight feedback whenthe when the when the sights go
green, you are on target.
SPEAKER_00 (15:01):
Yeah, and you can build that consistency and you
can build that muscle memory.
So wow, that's reallyimpressive.
Yeah, so I haven't even handedit to Erica yet because I'm just
keeping it on my side.
SPEAKER_01 (15:11):
And I'm just like, oh, I'm sorry, I'm supposed to
share.
SPEAKER_02 (15:15):
So you ladies got to shoot it at range day, right?
A few years ago, yeah.
And so the other thing too isthe range day that we went to is
a little bit overcast.
And you know, the the differencetoo that we have is this is a
24-hour site, and what a lot ofpeople don't do with shooting in
general, and I I was guilty atone time until I proved myself
wrong in this, but um we don'talways take our equipment out
(15:39):
and test it in all scenarios.
Yeah.
So for people who have personaldefense firearms or home
defense, when was the last timeyou turned off your lights and
went through a scenario of can Isee my sights in the dark?
What does my light work?
When was the last time I changedthe batteries?
The biggest thing though, a lotof people think, oh well, I have
a red dot.
Okay, well, is your dot gonna beon all the time on your bedside?
(16:01):
Is it a shakeawake?
Is it does it require solarpower?
Um, also a dot the s the size ofthe dot that you want in the
daytime is not necessarily thesize of the dot that you want in
the at night.
A hundred percent in the in thedark.
And a lot of people have nevertested that.
And so you can completely beblinded by your dot essentially
and have your target washed out,which in a personal defense
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situation is not ideal.
SPEAKER_00 (16:23):
Well, you're high stress, so you don't want to
have to give yourself extrathings to think about.
You you want to just be able togo with what you know.
SPEAKER_02 (16:31):
Right, and you're gonna have to turn your dot
down, you're gonna want adifferent dot like size and or
like brightness in daytime thanyou do it in the dark.
And so this takes care of thatfor you because it is not too
not too bright at night.
It's just enough to see it.
Um, but it's also not gonnablind you, you know, when you go
from a deep sleep or from acomplete darkness into a
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situation where you're lookingat something nice and bright.
So that's kind of anotherbenefit to it.
SPEAKER_01 (16:56):
I love that it's green, so it's not like this red
bright in your face.
Right.
It's just like a nice, you know,it's a it's a nice shine where
you're just like, okay, I gotit.
Right.
And so for me, I was looking,because I actually close one eye
when I shoot.
Yeah.
And to see like what thedifference was when I open, you
know, like open both eyes andstuff.
(17:17):
You can still see that greendot.
SPEAKER_02 (17:18):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (17:19):
So it's almost, yeah.
So I mean, if you want topractice with two eyes open, um,
that would be a great, great wayto do it.
SPEAKER_02 (17:26):
Absolutely, yeah.
That's that's great.
And also a lot of people withastigmatism who have a hard time
with a flare with a dot.
This you don't have that withthis product.
SPEAKER_00 (17:34):
So I have astigmatism in both eyes.
So and and I'm a little bit lefteye dominant, even though I'm
right-handed.
So there's a lot going on, youknow, when I'm trying to get
visual free feedback and and youknow, and to have positive
reinforcement to say you'redoing this right is great in a
system.
And then also, you know,something that highvis is really
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great about is that over theyears, like in competition,
we've had different colortargets, you know, and so uh we
I shot a three-gun nation for along time, and they had this
huge red center to theirtargets.
SPEAKER_02 (18:07):
Yeah, I forgot about those.
SPEAKER_00 (18:08):
Yes, and it was like, I don't want a red fiber
optic, you know, I don't becausenow I just lose it, you know,
and I can't get the accurateshot that I want anymore when
I'm on a red target.
But you have color options thatthat really work with people in
whatever scenario that they wantto apply it to.
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (18:26):
For our light, yeah, for our light wave products, we
definitely do for fiber optic.
This one only comes in thiscolor because unfortunately with
the Well, this is green, yeah,green is perfect for this
concept.
The government likes to regulatethe tritium, which okay, that's
fine.
But they don't want to make theythat stops us from making the
tritium sites interchangeable.
Um, but we definitely do haveoptions, and like you said, we
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are working on future models forthis line.
We don't anticipate this being aone-and-done product.
So um, you know, who knows?
There might be different colorsin the future for you to choose
from, and that would be cool.
SPEAKER_00 (18:58):
Yeah, yeah, but your other product lines.
SPEAKER_02 (19:01):
Yes, yeah, that's one thing that we do, we do,
we're very proud of, um, and itdoes make a lot of difference
for our shooters and hunters outthere, specifically uh the
hunters as well, or shotgunshooters, you know, because they
can they can change um lightpipes depending on the
background.
Yeah, uh you don't necessarilywant green on green, you know,
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or maybe you don't want red onorange.
You know, you want to be able tosee your clays a little bit
brighter, that colordifferentiation.
And last year we also launchedum our light wave co-witness
sites.
Uh so they're for use with reddot optics, and they do have the
interchangeable fiber optics.
So you can choose how muchfeedback you receive from your
co-witness sites.
(19:42):
Yeah.
So that you're always preparedwith a backup set of sites.
Um but if you want the backblacked out and you want a white
fiber optic in the front, it'snot going to interfere or you're
not gonna get it confused in astressful situation with a red
dot or green dot.
Um, so and or you can change itto green if you want your front
sight to be green, you know, soyou can better reference it to
help find your red dot.
(20:03):
Um, we do have those options,and so those were also launched.
SPEAKER_00 (20:06):
I love that so much because I, you know, I was never
really big on co-witnessing, youknow.
I just for me in competition,I'm like, that's too
distracting.
Right.
But if I can limit thedistraction and then still have
the positive benefits of becauseI have broken glass before it
happens, yeah, you know, yeah,but uh but still have that
option retained is great.
SPEAKER_02 (20:26):
Yeah.
So that's what we've been up to.
Yeah, we just a few things.
SPEAKER_01 (20:30):
I I love your because I have high vis on my
shotgun.
Uh-huh.
And it it actually is a gamechanger.
It is.
And there's not many things likemy husband says, it's not, you
know, it's not the gun, it's theshooter.
Right.
But you know, that actually wasa game changer for me.
It is.
And it's usually the shooterwhen it's when it comes to me.
Right.
But I was just like, oh my gosh,this is it picks up so fast.
SPEAKER_02 (20:53):
It does.
And especially whenever you'renot, you know, you're in
shotgun, you're not looking atyour sight.
You're looking at the at thetarget.
Right.
You know, and so that it's justin your peripheral and it's easy
to pick up.
Um and for a shotgun, for wehave those, but also we have the
mag.
Have you ever heard of the magnaoptics line?
SPEAKER_01 (21:10):
I don't think so.
SPEAKER_02 (21:11):
Okay, so those are our shotgun targets.
Um, we have one or shotgunsights.
We have one that's a uh magneticsight and a screw attached.
And they are for cross-eyedominant shooters.
Um so essentially this the fastdot h3 was taken from that
technology.
Um, it's in a tube, and so thefor the shotgun sights, you have
to be on your stock and you haveto be behind the sight in order
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for it to be aligned.
So while you're not looking atit, if you can't see that green,
you know that you're not in theright position.
Either your face is off thestock or you're tilted a little
bit, and so it's great forcross-eye dominant shooters or
new shooters, or somebody whohas a hard time.
If you have somebody who likesto lift their head off the stock
and actually look at the target,as opposed to staying looking at
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the target behind the shotgun.
SPEAKER_00 (21:58):
So I'm gonna jump in and say, okay, so I'm primarily
a pistol shooter, rifle shooter,and I shot a ton, you know, of
three gun.
And I could never get behind theconcept of like you're not
supposed to look at the sights.
Right.
You know, I just couldn't do it.
So I actually made my husbandput sights on my shotgun.
Yeah.
You know, because it just reallyhelped me, like you said, not do
something weird, not lift, youknow, my head off, you know,
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make sure that I was actually,you know, confident in what I
was doing, and then with thesights, I could build my
confidence up that that I was,you know.
SPEAKER_01 (22:29):
I feel like I need a new high-vis sights.
I mean, we've been shooting forI don't know, over a decade or
so.
So um we have the oldtechnology, but I feel like we
need some.
Okay, the new one.
Tess, where if anybody wantshigh-vis uh sites, wants to
check them out, where do theywhere do they go?
SPEAKER_02 (22:50):
Uh you can find us online or at several dealers,
but also at hivizsites.com.
SPEAKER_01 (22:55):
Awesome.
And they can they could getsites straight from the site.
SPEAKER_02 (22:59):
Yes, yep, straight from our website.
So we're not a regulatedproduct, so you could just and
we ship worldwide.
SPEAKER_01 (23:05):
Awesome.
Yeah, thank you.
Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_02 (23:07):
Thank you so much.
Welcome to Amateurs and Experts Podcast.
I'm Erica Chin, and I'm withMaggie Reese here, and we are at
2026 Shot Show in the OtisTechnology booth, and I am so
excited to have Tess here withus from Hivez.
Um, I mean, we've been friendsfor years, and we've had so much
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fun together, and we had her onour podcast the other like last
year or the year before, and itwas so much fun.
I had no clue how cool you were.
I mean, I know you were cool,but the things that we talked
about, I was mind-blown.
I mean, your personal life andeverything, and I mean, it's
amazing.
So I'm excited to have you here,Tess.
SPEAKER_02 (00:56):
Well, thank you for having me.
I'm excited to be here.
We definitely had a really goodtime last week.
SPEAKER_01 (01:02):
I mean, we talked about trap B's, we talked about
horses, we talked about, youknow, the Olympics.
I mean, wow.
What else are you into?
I know I well, I know you'reback to horses, right?
SPEAKER_02 (01:13):
Uh yeah, I started horseback riding again uh this
past year um at DallasEquestrian Center in Dallas,
Texas, and I just ride once aweek.
Um just trying to get my my feetback in the stirrups,
essentially.
Um I took a 23-year break fromcompetitive horseback riding and
yeah, I found this barn, theyaccepted me, and now I get to
ride once a week and differentlesson horses, and I'm being
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humbled every second.
Oh fun.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (01:40):
Do you want to get back into competition or are you
just doing it just to to kind offeel it again?
SPEAKER_02 (01:45):
I would like to get back into competition
eventually.
Uh well, horseback riding is soexpensive, and you know, and so
more than guns.
SPEAKER_00 (01:53):
I mean, we always sit here and we're like, oh my
gosh, you know, once you getinto guns, it is so expensive.
Really?
And then a horse person comesalong and says, Oh, that ain't
nothing.
SPEAKER_02 (02:02):
Well, just think of it this way.
The whenever unless you'reshooting your gun, it's not
eating.
Well, that's a horse, a horseeats whether or not you're
riding it.
Okay, I get that.
SPEAKER_01 (02:10):
All right.
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (02:12):
So yeah, no, um, I would like to eventually show a
little bit.
Uh, I've told my barn um I needanother year of lessons
underneath me.
Right now, I'm I was only ridingonce a week just to kind of get,
you know, more so for my souland my heart than anything.
Yeah.
Um, and now I this year I'mlike, okay, now my competitive
spirit's coming back.
So I'm like, okay, maybe twice aweek.
(02:34):
I'm gonna try for twice a week,several times a month, you know,
but we have been doing nostirrup work and I'm questioning
my life choices again.
SPEAKER_00 (02:42):
So I tell Erica all the time, every day, I am
questioning my life choices.
SPEAKER_02 (02:48):
Yes, well, it's so funny because I ride, um, I ride
with young young women and fromthe ages of like 12 to you know
19, they're still in highschool, and every now and then I
get to ride with the adults, butI'm more in the intermediate.
I've asked to be brought backbecause I'm like, yeah, I could
do the more advanced stuff, butit's I'm not here to jump three
feet.
I want to like get back into itbecause whenever I first
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started, I was like, put me inthe walk-trot classes.
And they're like, No, you'reabove that.
Like, but am I really?
Like, I don't know.
So um, I'm riding with theseyoung women, and every now and
then I I try to cheat, I willadmit.
Um, and so the last lesson Ihad, we had to trot around the
arena three times, and we weredoing some dressage work, so
it's a lot of like using yourlegs and hands independently and
(03:31):
your pelvis as well.
So, you know, you've goteverything going different
directions, and so um it is alittle bit harder, but we were
doing it no stirrups, and we hadto do three times three or four
times around trotting each waywith no stirrups, sitting trot,
posting trot, doing differentleg yields and and those types
of things, and then uh we had tocanter four times around the
arena without our stirrups aswell, and so I would do one time
(03:54):
around and I would stop.
And then I did one time aroundand I would stop.
So I did one direction and thenext direction.
My I was burning from my bellybutton and my toes.
And so I did one loop around andI realized nobody was paying
attention, and so I just wentand stood in the middle of the
arena, and one of the littlegirls goes, Is that all?
SPEAKER_01 (04:14):
It's very humbling sometimes, and you're just like
I'm going again.
Don't judge me.
SPEAKER_02 (04:25):
Exactly.
And then she was maybe 14, 15,you know, and I was like, Thank
you for keeping me humble andthank you for keeping me honest,
but I am dying.
SPEAKER_00 (04:34):
But isn't that so much about life, though?
You have to find your passion inlife, you have to find something
that really excites you and itand and that drives you enough
to want to push through and tokeep on going and become better
and and not let some little14-year-old tell you.
SPEAKER_02 (04:52):
Hey, you know what though?
That's also I think that it's agood life lesson.
It's a good reminder to me thatit doesn't I you you don't just
learn lessons by people yourage, you don't just learn
lessons by people older thanyou.
Like you can if you truly openyour mind and open your heart,
everybody around you of all agesis teaching you something at all
times, and I think that thatthat to me is the bigger the
(05:14):
bigger lesson of it.
Um I'm one of the little girlsthat I ride with, I thought she
might be 12 years old, and sherides this little pony, and
she's just running around thearena, no strops all the time,
and I am so inspired by her.
And you know, I just every timeI'm so proud of her.
Like, I'm just like, you like gogirl, go, you know.
I shot I shot I want to be likeher.
(05:36):
She's 12, and I'm like, I wantto be like you, you know, and so
it's yeah, it's inspiring.
SPEAKER_00 (05:41):
I I just shot a world championship.
I was on the US team and we werein Thailand, and um, I won't say
my age, but I've been doing thisfor a long time.
And the the two other ladies onthe team with me, one of them
was in their 20s and one of themwas in their teens, and who
ended up being the worldchampion was the sweetest,
sweetest lady Morgan, 15 yearsold.
(06:03):
And I had to go home, and all myfriends were like, wait a
second, a 15-year-old beat you?
And I'm like, Yes, she did.
Yes, yes, you know, yes, shedid.
So, but skill sets come, youknow, to people of all ages if
you put your heart into it.
SPEAKER_02 (06:18):
Absolutely, absolutely.
So it's all and it's you know,it it's also, I think, for us as
we get older, it's always a goodreminder that we're all still a
kid at heart and that we allstill have it, and also a
reminder that we were there oncetoo, and yes, it's fun to look
back and kind of reminisce onwhat you were doing at that age.
I don't like when did you startshooting?
SPEAKER_00 (06:35):
I didn't start shooting until I was 18.
Okay, so you know, she had anadvantage on me.
SPEAKER_02 (06:41):
She did, but I'm pretty sure watching her brought
back some memories.
SPEAKER_00 (06:45):
It really did.
Um, you know, she was out there,her dad was competing as well,
and so and and they were justawesome, and and you know, and
she's got this incredibletalent, and he's pushing her
forward, and um, and it's reallyfun, and it's really fun just to
see people find their passion inlife.
Right, yeah, for sure.
Yeah, that's so cool.
Yeah.
So I imagine you're prettypassionate about high-viz.
SPEAKER_02 (07:08):
I am, yes.
I have been with the company nowfor seven years, and they are um
an absolutely amazing company towork for.
Um, they're veryfamily-oriented.
Um, we have a great team, um,and they're passionate about the
shooting sports and hunting andgetting their people out in the
fields to not just work in thework in the industry, but to
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actually like use the product.
And I'm very fortunate to beable to have them encourage me
to get out and shoot matches anddo the things.
But also, you know, we get to tobe out and listen to the
customer and be with a customerso that we can bring that bring
that feedback back to thecompany um and hear about our
products and how they're workingfor people or not working for
people, or what what problemspeople are having so that we can
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work to innovate our products toimprove the art of shooting.
SPEAKER_00 (07:55):
So I love that.
Yeah, what a great line.
What a great line.
And everybody says that aboutthis industry, and they're like,
no, it's a family company.
But this industry really doesbelieve in like investing in
people and and retaining themand and making sure that they're
happy, and like you said,connecting to the end user and
and making it something that'sreally, really accessible that
(08:18):
they're they're getting thatfeedback on.
SPEAKER_02 (08:20):
Yeah, I agree.
I agree.
I feel like that's where we arevery lucky as well.
Um, because like you said, youget to go out and compete with
the people and also inspireother people and and also teach
them um what we're about.
But I mean, we were founded onmore like, you know, I guess
coming up through families andcoming up through generations,
and bringing that back into theindustry as well is still
(08:41):
important because with all thesenew companies popping up, and as
the in this industry uh changesand and grows, I think that
sometimes that can be lost.
But whenever we stay connectedto our roots, it really keeps us
grounded and helps us stayconnected to what's important.
SPEAKER_00 (08:57):
Well, I'm excited because my vision is not so hot.
We are here to help you out.
The older we get.
It is, it really is fuzzier thesight gets.
Yes, I I have always shot ironsights.
Like I'm a 1911 shooter, like Ialways shot 9 iron sights, and
(09:18):
I'm like, they're a little hardto see these days.
I don't know why.
SPEAKER_02 (09:22):
You know, I always say that sights are probably the
most undervalued part of a partof a firearm.
Everyone, whenever somebodypicks up a new gun, they always
talk about, oh, it looks nice,it feels nice, the trigger, the
grip.
They very rarely talk about thesights until either they can't
see them anymore or you removethem.
And then all of a sudden they'relike, wait a second.
(09:43):
That's a key component.
SPEAKER_01 (09:46):
Yes, you take it for granted.
SPEAKER_02 (09:48):
Exactly, exactly.
But we're here for you.
And I'd be happy to walk youthrough our line of products
when we're done.
We can keep you on target.
SPEAKER_00 (09:58):
I'm gonna take you up on that because you know, my
arms are only so long and I canonly hold the things out so far
in front of me.
Exactly.
But you have a really coolproduct.
SPEAKER_02 (10:07):
We do.
Um, so we um pride ourselves oninnovation.
I mean, we from the verybeginning of iviz, they have uh
taken fiber optic sites and wecreated the interlocking light
pipe system where we havereusable light pipes and
interchangeable light pipes sothat you can change them color
um to whatever environment orlighting conditions that you're
(10:28):
in within seconds.
Um we make them for rifles,pistols, and shotguns.
Um we integrated some tech uhtritium uh past several years as
well.
So now we also have tritium andfiber optic lights light pipes.
Um and then now we have gottensome more innovative products.
Um, one of our first innovativeproducts was the TriViz for
shotguns, and our owner loves tostay on the edge of innovation.
(10:51):
Um in this inner industry it isvery difficult to come up with
innovation.
I I always joke about the factthat oh, our you know, the the
people who did it the first timedid it right.
So we haven't had to do a lot ofchanges over the years.
So sites are one of those thingsthat is very difficult to come
up with something innovative.
But we launched the fast dot h3a couple of years ago, and we
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were trying to bridge the gapand give it give people a third
option for sighting systems.
We're trying to bridge the gapbetween iron sights and a red
dot.
Um so this is the fast dot h3,and it is a it um it um sorry,
no, I just want to make surethat it's on camera because it's
really cool.
Yeah, it is.
(11:32):
So this is a it's a a it's atwo-site system.
It um mounts just like your ironsights, but it's a single dot
system.
So it has a low profile designso that you can use your regular
holster with it.
Um and then it's also becauseit's like iron sights, it's
faster site acquisition.
So when people struggle with ared dot, struggle to find the
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red dot, this is gonna come upnaturally.
Um the other thing is that wehave uh it's you get more target
visibility because you don'thave a frame around the site.
And then also it gives youpositive sight feedback.
So I don't know if you want tolook at it.
I'll let you look at it.
SPEAKER_01 (12:08):
I might I'm sorry, I just jumped in front of Erica.
No, I just needed.
I think yeah, I actually uh shotit.
SPEAKER_02 (12:15):
What you see is the rear sight has tritium and fiber
optic in it, and we have amagnified lens in there.
So when the sights are aligned,the rear sight is magnified, the
tritium is magnified, so therear sight appears to quote turn
on.
Um so when you see green, youwere aligned and you know that
you can you can pull thetrigger.
SPEAKER_00 (12:33):
It it looks like it lights up.
I'm I'm just like the wholetime, like you know, we used to
like try and explain to people,brand new shooters, like how do
you know when your sights arelined up and we're all doing the
fingers and everything?
And now you have like a anactual Go system of like you
know, green is go.
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_02 (12:57):
Where your muzzle is, right, left, up, down, yeah.
Um, so yeah, so it's I it'sreally fun.
It's 24-hour illuminationbecause of the tritium in the
rear sight, uh-huh.
Um, and you get the positivesight feedback, and also you
because of the positive sightfeedback, you can be both
targeted focused.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
Um yeah, so in it's for personaldefense, like we said, it's it's
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not to take over either sightingsystem, it's just a third
option, and it's been one of ourmost popular sites since we
launched launched it.
SPEAKER_00 (13:24):
So and I bet, and and just for brand new shooters,
but I uh of course, not just forbrand new shooters, but I think
it's such a great concept justto get you invested and
understanding what it is thatyou're supposed to see visually.
Yes.
And then it has applicationslater on that you're just gonna
want to keep going with.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_02 (13:41):
And we we think it's I mean, you know, whenever we
launched it, we went to rangeday, and I we actually learned a
lot about um the site frompeople who were trying it out
because they we hadn't thoughtabout new shooters, and you
know, a bunch of instructorswere saying, Oh, we would love
to start on this, or the shooterwho doesn't want to go to the
range and practice with the reddot so that whatever they draw,
they know where that red dot is.
(14:02):
This is the perfect thingbecause it's it's it's faster
sight acquisition because itmounts like your iron sights.
It's a low profile design, youriron sights are always going to
be more aligned, and so youdon't have the offset to try to
find that dot.
So it's a perfect for somebodywho wants a single dot system
but doesn't want to go to therange and put all the work into
things.
SPEAKER_00 (14:22):
Um, and I think it's really important.
I you know, dry firing is notfun, like like it's it's just
not, but it is such an importantaspect of learning your firearm
because you get so much moreinformation when you're not
being distracted by it goingbang.
Absolutely.
You know, so you need that timeat home, but sometimes you can
get a little bit sloppy withyour dry fire because you're you
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don't have to prove it.
You don't have to prove it bypulling the trigger.
Exactly.
So this gives you an opportunityto learn the mechanics of the
gun and make sure that you areacquiring the sights properly.
SPEAKER_02 (14:55):
Absolutely, yeah.
The positive sight feedback whenthe when the when the sights go
green, you are on target.
SPEAKER_00 (15:01):
Yeah, and you can build that consistency and you
can build that muscle memory.
So wow, that's reallyimpressive.
Yeah, so I haven't even handedit to Erica yet because I'm just
keeping it on my side.
SPEAKER_01 (15:11):
And I'm just like, oh, I'm sorry, I'm supposed to
share.
SPEAKER_02 (15:15):
So you ladies got to shoot it at range day, right?
A few years ago, yeah.
And so the other thing too isthe range day that we went to is
a little bit overcast.
And you know, the the differencetoo that we have is this is a
24-hour site, and what a lot ofpeople don't do with shooting in
general, and I I was guilty atone time until I proved myself
wrong in this, but um we don'talways take our equipment out
(15:39):
and test it in all scenarios.
Yeah.
So for people who have personaldefense firearms or home
defense, when was the last timeyou turned off your lights and
went through a scenario of can Isee my sights in the dark?
What does my light work?
When was the last time I changedthe batteries?
The biggest thing though, a lotof people think, oh well, I have
a red dot.
Okay, well, is your dot gonna beon all the time on your bedside?
(16:01):
Is it a shakeawake?
Is it does it require solarpower?
Um, also a dot the s the size ofthe dot that you want in the
daytime is not necessarily thesize of the dot that you want in
the at night.
A hundred percent in the in thedark.
And a lot of people have nevertested that.
And so you can completely beblinded by your dot essentially
and have your target washed out,which in a personal defense
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situation is not ideal.
SPEAKER_00 (16:23):
Well, you're high stress, so you don't want to
have to give yourself extrathings to think about.
You you want to just be able togo with what you know.
SPEAKER_02 (16:31):
Right, and you're gonna have to turn your dot
down, you're gonna want adifferent dot like size and or
like brightness in daytime thanyou do it in the dark.
And so this takes care of thatfor you because it is not too
not too bright at night.
It's just enough to see it.
Um, but it's also not gonnablind you, you know, when you go
from a deep sleep or from acomplete darkness into a
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situation where you're lookingat something nice and bright.
So that's kind of anotherbenefit to it.
SPEAKER_01 (16:56):
I love that it's green, so it's not like this red
bright in your face.
Right.
It's just like a nice, you know,it's a it's a nice shine where
you're just like, okay, I gotit.
Right.
And so for me, I was looking,because I actually close one eye
when I shoot.
Yeah.
And to see like what thedifference was when I open, you
know, like open both eyes andstuff.
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You can still see that greendot.
SPEAKER_02 (17:18):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (17:19):
So it's almost, yeah.
So I mean, if you want topractice with two eyes open, um,
that would be a great, great wayto do it.
SPEAKER_02 (17:26):
Absolutely, yeah.
That's that's great.
And also a lot of people withastigmatism who have a hard time
with a flare with a dot.
This you don't have that withthis product.
SPEAKER_00 (17:34):
So I have astigmatism in both eyes.
So and and I'm a little bit lefteye dominant, even though I'm
right-handed.
So there's a lot going on, youknow, when I'm trying to get
visual free feedback and and youknow, and to have positive
reinforcement to say you'redoing this right is great in a
system.
And then also, you know,something that highvis is really
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great about is that over theyears, like in competition,
we've had different colortargets, you know, and so uh we
I shot a three-gun nation for along time, and they had this
huge red center to theirtargets.
SPEAKER_02 (18:07):
Yeah, I forgot about those.
SPEAKER_00 (18:08):
Yes, and it was like, I don't want a red fiber
optic, you know, I don't becausenow I just lose it, you know,
and I can't get the accurateshot that I want anymore when
I'm on a red target.
But you have color options thatthat really work with people in
whatever scenario that they wantto apply it to.
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (18:26):
For our light, yeah, for our light wave products, we
definitely do for fiber optic.
This one only comes in thiscolor because unfortunately with
the Well, this is green, yeah,green is perfect for this
concept.
The government likes to regulatethe tritium, which okay, that's
fine.
But they don't want to make theythat stops us from making the
tritium sites interchangeable.
Um, but we definitely do haveoptions, and like you said, we
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are working on future models forthis line.
We don't anticipate this being aone-and-done product.
So um, you know, who knows?
There might be different colorsin the future for you to choose
from, and that would be cool.
SPEAKER_00 (18:58):
Yeah, yeah, but your other product lines.
SPEAKER_02 (19:01):
Yes, yeah, that's one thing that we do, we do,
we're very proud of, um, and itdoes make a lot of difference
for our shooters and hunters outthere, specifically uh the
hunters as well, or shotgunshooters, you know, because they
can they can change um lightpipes depending on the
background.
Yeah, uh you don't necessarilywant green on green, you know,
(19:21):
or maybe you don't want red onorange.
You know, you want to be able tosee your clays a little bit
brighter, that colordifferentiation.
And last year we also launchedum our light wave co-witness
sites.
Uh so they're for use with reddot optics, and they do have the
interchangeable fiber optics.
So you can choose how muchfeedback you receive from your
co-witness sites.
(19:42):
Yeah.
So that you're always preparedwith a backup set of sites.
Um but if you want the backblacked out and you want a white
fiber optic in the front, it'snot going to interfere or you're
not gonna get it confused in astressful situation with a red
dot or green dot.
Um, so and or you can change itto green if you want your front
sight to be green, you know, soyou can better reference it to
help find your red dot.
(20:03):
Um, we do have those options,and so those were also launched.
SPEAKER_00 (20:06):
I love that so much because I, you know, I was never
really big on co-witnessing, youknow.
I just for me in competition,I'm like, that's too
distracting.
Right.
But if I can limit thedistraction and then still have
the positive benefits of becauseI have broken glass before it
happens, yeah, you know, yeah,but uh but still have that
option retained is great.
SPEAKER_02 (20:26):
Yeah.
So that's what we've been up to.
Yeah, we just a few things.
SPEAKER_01 (20:30):
I I love your because I have high vis on my
shotgun.
Uh-huh.
And it it actually is a gamechanger.
It is.
And there's not many things likemy husband says, it's not, you
know, it's not the gun, it's theshooter.
Right.
But you know, that actually wasa game changer for me.
It is.
And it's usually the shooterwhen it's when it comes to me.
Right.
But I was just like, oh my gosh,this is it picks up so fast.
SPEAKER_02 (20:53):
It does.
And especially whenever you'renot, you know, you're in
shotgun, you're not looking atyour sight.
You're looking at the at thetarget.
Right.
You know, and so that it's justin your peripheral and it's easy
to pick up.
Um and for a shotgun, for wehave those, but also we have the
mag.
Have you ever heard of the magnaoptics line?
SPEAKER_01 (21:10):
I don't think so.
SPEAKER_02 (21:11):
Okay, so those are our shotgun targets.
Um, we have one or shotgunsights.
We have one that's a uh magneticsight and a screw attached.
And they are for cross-eyedominant shooters.
Um so essentially this the fastdot h3 was taken from that
technology.
Um, it's in a tube, and so thefor the shotgun sights, you have
to be on your stock and you haveto be behind the sight in order
(21:35):
for it to be aligned.
So while you're not looking atit, if you can't see that green,
you know that you're not in theright position.
Either your face is off thestock or you're tilted a little
bit, and so it's great forcross-eye dominant shooters or
new shooters, or somebody whohas a hard time.
If you have somebody who likesto lift their head off the stock
and actually look at the target,as opposed to staying looking at
(21:56):
the target behind the shotgun.
SPEAKER_00 (21:58):
So I'm gonna jump in and say, okay, so I'm primarily
a pistol shooter, rifle shooter,and I shot a ton, you know, of
three gun.
And I could never get behind theconcept of like you're not
supposed to look at the sights.
Right.
You know, I just couldn't do it.
So I actually made my husbandput sights on my shotgun.
Yeah.
You know, because it just reallyhelped me, like you said, not do
something weird, not lift, youknow, my head off, you know,
(22:21):
make sure that I was actually,you know, confident in what I
was doing, and then with thesights, I could build my
confidence up that that I was,you know.
SPEAKER_01 (22:29):
I feel like I need a new high-vis sights.
I mean, we've been shooting forI don't know, over a decade or
so.
So um we have the oldtechnology, but I feel like we
need some.
Okay, the new one.
Tess, where if anybody wantshigh-vis uh sites, wants to
check them out, where do theywhere do they go?
SPEAKER_02 (22:50):
Uh you can find us online or at several dealers,
but also at hivizsites.com.
SPEAKER_01 (22:55):
Awesome.
And they can they could getsites straight from the site.
SPEAKER_02 (22:59):
Yes, yep, straight from our website.
So we're not a regulatedproduct, so you could just and
we ship worldwide.
SPEAKER_01 (23:05):
Awesome.
Yeah, thank you.
Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_02 (23:07):
Thank you so much.
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