Another Side of Midnight with Lionel: Morality, Personal Advertisements, And Life Experiences

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The title of a show that I really don't understand.
But then again, why should I? I numbers eight hundred
and eight four eight nine to two. My friend, I
love the topics of morality. I love the idea of conscience.
I love the idea of it. In fact, I use

(00:20):
I hear this all the time, the notion, the idea,
the subject matter of all things morality.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Oh, I love it.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
And because it normally means my morality what I think
is important. I see things going on in the world today,
and I think to myself, how in the name of
God does anybody even not see through this, does not
see the absolute horror. That's the way I normally feel.
I have to watch what I say because people get

(00:53):
very upset. But if you knew what I thought, if
you knew the way I saw the world, you would
think to yourself, you know what, this is not a
good place. We are so strange as a people. We
love to figure out how is it that we work
and operate? You know, when you ask yourself whether MS

(01:14):
one day will ever be able to latch onto and
gether to and with an act and on consciouseness to
be conscious, And then there's conscience, and then there's morality.
It fascinates me what does that even mean? Are we

(01:35):
as a society, Are we as a species figure of
society moral people?

Speaker 3 (01:41):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Are we great? No?

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Are we.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
What's the word? Are we a good group? No? I
think humans, for the most part are benign anodyne. I
don't think we're necessarily good. I think our idea of
good it's just not doing bad. We don't go out
of our way to involve ourselves with philanthropy, and oftentimes

(02:08):
philanthropy normally means money donation. That's really not it. Don't
get me wrong. Most of us would I think, call
the police if somebody was hurt or involve themselves, and
I think we would. We would, you know, interrupt criminal activity,
especially if we could help somebody or a child. I
mean if call to action. Yeah yeah, yeah, But I

(02:30):
don't know if that's that's a conscience. But I love
to always start with the notion of the definitions morality,
which animals don't have, dogs don't have that, kangaroos don't
have that. We have that morality is this, Well, it's

(02:52):
a broader system of principles that defines right and wrong.
Now we'll get to that in the moment, who's right,
who's wrong? Anyway, let don't don't jump into too quickly.
And it may come from religion or philosophy or tradition
or family or law or society. But it's this idea,

(03:13):
this definition, this system of right and wrong, morality kind
of the operating system. Conscience, this is the individual level.
This is your internal sense of whether in fact your
your own conduct is right or wrong. It's the inner

(03:36):
voice that produces guilt or unease, or approval or peace
or so put for you simply, morality is the standard,
but conscience is the internal judge, that internal compass or
or or regulator. A person's conscience can be mistaken or

(03:57):
poorly formed. Someone may feel no goad old about in
a moral act, or it may feel guilty about something
that is not exactly wrong, or that is benign, orr anodyne,
or harmless. That's why conscience should be guided by moral
principles rather than emotion. You can't necessarily work on what
you feel is correct. You have to look elsewhere. And

(04:20):
some would argue that religion helps, and culture and the like,
and where you are raised and where you are born,
and if you listen to people recently, we were discussing
something very very interesting I thought, I thought indeed very
very interesting on my YouTube channel at line on Nation people.

(04:44):
We were discussing this week about about different cultures cultures,
and we love the idea of the Saudi Arabian, you know,
executions and cutting off hands and and I don't know
the last time they had one of those things. I
don't know if what the what the particular procedure is

(05:07):
for that process, if it's if it's if there's an
appellate procedure, but it's something that they were raised on
and there were then and they were completely completely fine
with it. We, however, have a little bit of a
problem with the idea of having somebody having their hand

(05:28):
either crushed or or severed or what have you. But
if you were born in that time, if you were
born during that particular period at that time, in this country,
in this culture, that would be completely moral within that system.
Because it's all relative to where you are. We talk

(05:51):
about capital punishment. Is that moral? What does your conscience say? Again,
it depends upon where you were from. I had somebody
the other day explain to me that this was somehow moral.
And by the way, This was an evangelical preacher who
wants Tyler Robinson found guilty and executed, even though we

(06:14):
can't link the gun do anything. But and he said,
because that's God's law. And I could listen to people
all day long. Have you ever dealt with a thief?
Have you ever had a thief? I worked with somebody
one time who I'm not going to mention the name

(06:37):
out of respect for his reputation, but he would steal
food from refrigerators. People employees would bring food into this
communal refrigerator. They would write their name on a bag
or on a ice cream or whatever it was, and
he would go in and think nothing of it and

(06:58):
just swipe it. And I used to argue that that
form of pilfering, that form is worse than anything you
can imagine. In fact, it is so bad because it's
so trivial. It shows a complete and total disrespect. It
is immoral, it is and this person had no conscience, nothing.

(07:26):
And again people always say, well, it doesn't really matter. No,
it doesn't matter. Theft has nothing to do with the price.
It does in criminal law, whether it's grand after petty theft.
But and then we have war. Oh, don't get me
started with it. There's one thing that we would that
I see all the time, we never learn. I have
a thought experiment that I enjoy, and that is if

(07:49):
I were to be if I were enlisted. The first
time a critter, an extraterrestrial critter, were to venture forth
and want to get to know us for reasons I
don't know why, but let's assume they did. I'd love
to be the guide, the tour guide. I'd love to
do that. And I'd give this person some this thing,

(08:12):
you know, this entity, some ideas of what I think
about ourselves. And one thing I would say is that history,
as Tolstoy said, would be a wonderful thing if only
it were true. And even though Santiana said those who
refuse to learn from history are cursed to repeat it,
we learn nothing, especially when it comes to war and

(08:36):
death and destruction. We are a most bellicos people. We
love it. And America, absolutely, we are in love. Not
Americans American government. Let me make sure we always distinguish
them American governments, the people in charge, this corrupt cadre,

(08:57):
this shadow government loves war. Oh, if you've got something
they want, it's done it's finished, and we will tell you, well,
the reason why we did it was because of such
and such, whether it's Venezuela or Vietnam, we'll give you
a good reason. I mean, we will explain they're evil people.

(09:19):
We had to do that because, well, by God, would
you want these people ever to develop nuclear weapons or
chemical weapons or weapons of mass destruction. We had to
act now, we can't let that happen. Yes, I had
to amputate that leg Did you want it to grow
into a tumor? There was no evidence of it, but
would you Now I've completely eliminated the chance of this,

(09:43):
and people will believe it. Most people are. Politically it's
so juvenescent, it's so base, But when it comes to morality,
not even close. I talked to somebody the other day
again online in my YouTube channel. We were coming a

(10:04):
discussion live scream and somebody who ran in only fans site,
only you know, only fans. It's kind of like, do
it yourself. I guess you'd call it a porn. And
there's a part of me that says, in fact, I
believe that says, Look, if that's what you want to do,
that's fine. As long as there's not children of vombed.
As long as you're not being coerced, as long as

(10:24):
you have of your free will, I it might be better
to take the power from that from organized crime. Remember,
don't forget the mob was heavily involved in Times Square
porn in the old days. In fact, the movie Deep
Throat was financed by a mob money in the line,

(10:46):
So this way it's it. It did pornography what I
guess what pro tools and various recording programs did to
the recording industry. I said that being said, which is
always a good indicator that I'm going to change subjects
of that being said, I find it, frankly not immoral,

(11:07):
but I find it, for me disgusting that somebody would
think nothing of defiling their body. I guess I seriously,
I'm not familiar with how only fans works, but from
what I understand, you could do, perhaps for lack of
a better word, A and the family show a solo

(11:29):
venture versus group activity. In any event, you're basically saying,
for money for money, I will show intimate aspects of
my body. Modesty is what's modesty that's gone gone? And

(11:51):
I thought, and I got into an interesting conversation. Again,
I think it should be legal. If that's what you
want to do. I'm not going to stop you, but me,
would you want your daughter to do that? Would you
want your wife?

Speaker 4 (12:05):
No?

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Because there's something that we find distasteful, sad, loathsome people
who exploit themselves and don't give me this business.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
Lie.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Well, you know I make money, I'm I'm in charge.
I'm out smarting them.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
No, you're not.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
That's a cop out. People who expose themselves even up
to an including people who walk around the beach is
half naked. I you may call this old fashioned, but
some things are old fashioned. I prefer established, fundamental, not

(12:45):
necessarily old fashioned. So I'd like to discuss with you
the notion of morality versus conscience. And then we always
open the phones up for people to call about subjects
that have absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about,
regarding things on your mind, the things that you're thinking of,

(13:05):
because in addition to the formulaic layout of the of
the show, I love caller input. I love the caller.
They are great. The only thing is, let's be cordial.
You know when people right now, many people are rolling
over and they're turning on their their crystal set, you

(13:28):
know they're radio. They don't want to hear people screaming
at each other. So let's discuss. And I'll be more
than happy to be to be spirited to disagree, but
not eh. And I'll never do something just to get attention.
I'll never say something just to get a rise, just

(13:50):
to offend, just to make a lot of noise. That's
the oldest trick in the book. Plus that doesn't that
doesn't end. But they say there's things that don't last long.
Dogs to chase cars and old drunks or something along
those lines, anyway. Eight hundred and eighty four eight nine
two two two. Morality Conscience, Your thoughts and comments on

(14:12):
another side of Midnight with lionel.

Speaker 6 (15:00):
U h.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Already my friends line up with you eight hundred eight
four eight nine two two two. Eight hundred eighty four
eight nine two two two. My friend's this subject of
morality and conscience? And how do you know what is
right and wrong locally, spiritually, individually? What does they say
morality is something that you would do by yourself. I

(17:15):
always ask people the question, Let's assume you are at
an atm or some people say an ATM machine which
is redundant, and you put in you want to take
twenty dollars out, but instead you get two hundred dollars.
It was obviously a mistake. Do you go into the

(17:36):
bank and say, excuse me, I received this extra money
because it's wrong, or do you say, hell, no, I'm
keeping it now, provided of course you can't be charged
criminally or civilly. Most people would say, and admittedly I
would too, I would say, screw the bank, you made
a mistake. I'm taking this. You're the one who nicol
and dying me. Now. That is called that is called intellectualizing. See.

(18:02):
One of the defense mechanisms that we have is rationalization
and intellectualization. When we rationalize, we look at what we
are going to do. For example, hmmm, I'm planning on
doing something. I'm going to take this money. I have
taken this money, and have we come up with a
recent Intellectualizing is when we try after the fact, kind

(18:25):
of like a post hawk thing where we break up
with somebody and we say, you know what, maybe that's better,
Maybe that's that's better, you know better in the long run,
this was, you know, better to make the mistake now
than find out later. So that's intellectualizing. See how that works,
See how marvelous that works. It's an incredible and incredible

(18:47):
ability that we use to always manipulate and massage and
tweak our sense of what is moral eight hundred eighty
four eight nine to two too. Let's go to a loop.
By the way, Lucas in New Jersey. You're on another
side of midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 7 (19:06):
Hey, Lionel.

Speaker 8 (19:07):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
Firstly, I think this show could be called the Lionel
Show another side of midnight. It's kind of like saying
afternoon show, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Well, it depends the other side? Which side? Another side?

Speaker 6 (19:21):
Rather?

Speaker 1 (19:21):
And how we're two hours into post midnight? When do
we see? You know, I don't want to be priggish
about it, but in any event, I thank you for
your call, Lucas. What's on your mind?

Speaker 6 (19:33):
Sir?

Speaker 4 (19:34):
Yeah, well you're talking about morality. You reminds me I
act a good friend of mine. Foul Thal just does
and I'm sorry. Yeah, he was moral, but he was
also extremely specific calibrated, and it reminds me of a story.
Permission to tell you a story.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Lionel, please do, sir, please.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
This this actually happened. I want to be clear. Thal
was not a troublemaker. He was a man of principle.
And I want to tell you that that distinction is
important because I thought it's something interesting. Was it was
years ago? This is a long time ago. Who was
a summer. Sal's driving back from I forget weird exactly,
but he's coming back over the gotheles Okay. He pulls
up to the poll booth and the collector's nice lady.

(20:15):
He had seen her before, regular booth, and he hands
her the money and she gives him his change, and
he looks at the change and something's wrong. And I
want to be precise here because this is important. It
wasn't the amount, then Mount was right. It was the
specific coins.

Speaker 6 (20:28):
And as I.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
Said, I told you Sal was specific. He looked at
the coins, the specific denominations, the order she has them back,
and there was something off in them. He said, it
was like a pattern he had seen before. And he
could not drive away, so he didn't take up the
car and park and the lady says, you have to story,
you have to move, and Sale says, I'm sorry, I
just need a minute and to make to make a

(20:49):
long story short, he gets out of the car and
the cars behind him are starting to hung a summer.
It's the Gothels, you know, it's not a population known
for its patients. So Sal walks to the booth window
and he says, ma'am. She says what he says, he'd
give me the quarters, she says no. And to make
a long story short, the guy from the manager he comes,

(21:12):
and by that point everyone's honking, and he comes and
he pushesself back in the car, and Sell grabs the
coin trae and eventually Sal gets back into his car.
He never spoke about it again.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
What do you think about that?

Speaker 4 (21:27):
Yeah, well, I've been thinking about it ever since then.
And Sal always said, you know, this is a very
specific man. Sal never he didn't trust to hold music,
you know, he was he never allowed himself to be
in the phone book. He said the phone book was
like it was like a government database of all the all.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Do you think I'm at the tell booth about the incident?

Speaker 4 (21:50):
Yeah, well I think that it's classic Sale, common daring, No.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Forget Sal forgets Sal. What do you think and you
review the positive, the negative, the morality of it from
your point of view, what do you think.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
Yeah, well, morality, it's about it to that same truth.
And Sal's talents told me. If they don't thank you.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
So much, I appreciate that, please call me again. I
don't want to keep talking about Sal. There was three times.
Let's go beyond Sal. What do you think that's the
story which I find fascinating. Let me see here, let
me see, Oh, my good friend, ladies and gentlemen, the malifluous,

(22:33):
this sonorous, the master of sonority, sweet focused, absolutely a
kind of a living testament as to what humanity can
be when it puts his mind to it. The lovely
and talented, the inimitable, the ineffable. Vincent in Brooklyn, Vincent,
you're on another side of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 9 (22:52):
Good even on Lionel. Great to hear your voice again,
and speaking about morality, and especially all these women who
go on fans only they're mainly young women.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Well, there's a good reason for that.

Speaker 9 (23:09):
These are the people who, unfortunately later in life, they
keep the psychiatrists and the therapists in clover because society
has led a lot of especially young women, to think,
oh this is cool, if it feels good.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Doing Yeah, I'm being paid for it, and it's consensual,
and I'm in charge of it. It's my body. I'm
in charge. You see that.

Speaker 9 (23:35):
Well, so they think now when they grow older and
they start thinking, if they have a mind, they start
thinking back and they say, gee, what did I do?
I did this? I did that? And then either a
lot of them become drug addicts, alcoholics, sex saddicts.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Or maybe not.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Benja, let me ask you a question. So let me
let me just again, there are there are factions of life,
factions of our society strata if you will, who might
be called, for lack of better world word, member of
the underworld. And there are people who own and a
variety of businesses that cater to the adult work. Could

(24:21):
be a you know, nightclubs, nightclubs, and then maybe maybe
we have discos. We don't have those anymore. And then
sometimes there's a you know, the strip clubs and there
was Times Square as you know was it was a
proliferation and you know who pretty much ran that show. Now,
what's the difference between you being individually involved, let's say,

(24:45):
as a young girl, uh saying or selling or negotiating
your your body as it were, and you being owning
this you saying, well, it's a product, people are going
to do it. I I want to own only fans,
I want to have peep shows and I want I'm

(25:05):
not endorsing it. But if he can't beat him, join them.
What do you think about that?

Speaker 9 (25:11):
Well, I think they're also contributing to the downfall of
a lot of people. I personally, you know me, personally,
I don't approve of that. I don't approve of owning
anything or being involved in anything where people are going

(25:31):
to destroy their lives. And I say that for example,
people always say, oh, you know the bookie, he'll take
your bet if you run out of money. If you
can't pay the bookie, the bookie's not going to take
your bet. That thing about the bookie being in business
to crackheads, that's a bunch of boloney.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
That's a loan shark, right, The bookie's a different story exactly.

Speaker 9 (25:53):
But you're right, You're correct the loan shop. But even
the loan shock, the loan shock doesn't want to lend
you money if they know that they can't, that you
can't pay it. You know, what are you gonna what
are you gonna get blood from? Morocc I mean the
proverbial saying goes and uh, I've known plenty of people

(26:18):
that were that made their living that way, and UH
me personally, it's not something that I would ever be
attracted to because you make a money of people's missions.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Let me ask you this question on a different level.
Let's say you you of course moose, people know this,
you being the real estate baron that you are. Let's
assume in one of your properties, for reasons you do
not understand, there was an error in the part of
the city or or or kant or what have you,
and they never You've been receiving free electricity for forever.

(26:52):
You didn't even realize this. You didn't do anything wrong,
but you you become aware of it. Nobody's collecting it,
nobody's pounding your door. They don't know. It's a glitch.

Speaker 9 (27:02):
Well, let me tell you something.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
What would you woman? But what would you do?

Speaker 9 (27:08):
I'm going to do you a real good Okay. That
actually happened to an aunt of mine, and she thought
she thought, you know, unbeknownst to her, she didn't even
know it was a glitch, and she thought she was
getting over And twenty years after the fact, con Edison said, hello, well,
she had to make a payment plan out with con

(27:30):
Edison because for all those years.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah, right, I understand that. Let's assume though, let me
just ideally, in this hypothetical, if the person that you
were quote not swindling, but the person or entity that
you were perhaps getting a pulling a fast one over,
isn't corporation not a person for example, give you an idea,
Give you an example. If I'm at a at a

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cashier or something, and there's a young lady and she's,
you know, working the till, and she gives me too
much money, I'm going to say no, right, because she's
didn't have to make up for it.

Speaker 9 (28:06):
Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna give it back there because
she's gonna be on the hook.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
And if I'm in an ATM. But if I'm in
an ATM, me personally, I'm sorry it is. I said,
you know, what, the hell with it? That's your problem.

Speaker 9 (28:18):
You got that right, And I'm going to give you
a real I'm gonna check this story out. Lionel years ago,
about forty years ago, I went to my safe deposit
box in my bank, which I had for a million years,
and the person who was in the room before I
was left a diamond and crusted chevron, gold and chevron

(28:43):
and dead in the jewelry case. I walked in. I said,
at first it looked like a portfolio on the table.
Because the room's are private, you know, you hand the
guy that the person the key. They have two keys,
yours and theirs. No body could open you need the
boat keys to open.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
The box exactly.

Speaker 9 (29:04):
So the clerk comes down from out from out of
the safe and hands me my box. I go in
the private room and I look on the thing. I said, gee,
what if somebody leave. It looked like a clipboard. It
looked like a leather and clipboard. I open it up
and I said.

Speaker 6 (29:21):
Holy.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Moly, yes, holy lion out.

Speaker 9 (29:26):
And I didn't even need no rational I said to myself,
if I hand this in, the clerk is not going
to look up. Who are you in this room? Bry
it to me?

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Exactly.

Speaker 9 (29:41):
The clerk is going to get the key of it
in his or her pocket, and that's going to be it.
So you kept it, You got you damn right. I
kept it.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
See now let me tell you what you did. Let
me tell you what you did.

Speaker 8 (29:54):
This is I intellectualized it.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yes, yes, but that's okay as opposed to I'm going
to go to the manager and you're going to say,
I'm going to put you on notice, and I'm going
to send you an email and I'm going to take
a picture of this and I will create a paper
trail and I'm going to you could almost ensure it.
But I understand exactly. Let me tell you what happened

(30:17):
to me one year. I swear, I don't know if
it was a month, I don't know, but I was
in a cab and I put my and I, you
know what, anytime you could take a cab, please my
friend uber lift whatever a cab. It used to be fun.
In any event, I put my hand down and I
feel something. It looks like it feels like a purse.

(30:39):
It's like, oh no. So I went and I looked
at this purse and I see, uh okay. I opened
it up and I'm trying to find the people or
whatever involved. And I looked at one of the credit
cards and I said, I want to call them and say, listen,
they didn't have any kind of a the license. So anyway,

(31:01):
to make a long story short, I found the person
I got I forgot how that I did it mailed
them or they picked it up or whatever. But I
really said, you know what, I'm going to do this.
And I said, and by the way, the money that
is in your wallet. There was another one by the
way anyway, So the first one was just just a
credit cards. The second one was a wallet. I did
it got to hold of person, thank you. The third

(31:21):
the third one, this is the third time I found
a woman. She was from Israel and there was a passport.

Speaker 9 (31:28):
Oh yes, she must have kissed the ground that.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Let me tell you what she did. I found this.
I called the credit card companies and I said, listen,
you call me. You tell this woman, I said, I
so she I met her. It was a remember the
Mayflower Hotel Central Park sounds okay, that's where she was staying.
I said, I will meet you. I will bring this
to you because you've got together. This is your passport.
So anyway, so I got there vincent she had. If ever,

(31:59):
there was a an Israeli looking Middle Eastern bodyguard. Dude,
I don't know who this woman. I remember her name.
So anyway, I said, here it is. I said, please,
this is all the money that was in the vice.
He no, no, no, that's all there was was a
police thank you. She was almost crying. She sent me
a beautiful book on Israel and her country and I

(32:24):
and I felt, now that felt so good, though I
felt and I don't. And that's the That's why I
believe people do good things without anybody pushing it, because
you liked it, right anyway, procedure.

Speaker 9 (32:43):
What happened now, Lionel, The same thing happened about forty
years ago. And I was welcomed by my local synagogue.
And I find a woman's person on the wallet right,
and you're Jewish. It was loaded with money, it was stuff,
and in there there wasn't a driver's license. What it

(33:06):
turned out it was her son was a lawyer. There
was a card in there, and I assumed that this
was the woman's husband. I called up the law office.
I says, is this so and so? And the second
receptionist hands me off to the person who questioned and

(33:26):
I said, by the way, I found the woman's purse
with all this money in it. He says, oh, he says,
that's my mother's purse you found. I says, well, tell
her she could come to this every Nikola and every
dime that was in there. Yes, I gave it. I
gave it.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
And you know, Vincent, you know it's funny. I never
knew you were Jewish. Mast just said.

Speaker 9 (33:54):
My father worked in the rag trade lie up after
World War Two, and a lot of the people he
worked with were Jews who were from Europe, and during
the holidays, my family and their families would exchange foods

(34:18):
and I practically grew up eating Jewish food because my
father was in the reg business.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
It was so funny. I got to tell you something,
and I just want to say something, not to be gratuitous,
but with all of this talk about anti Semitism, this
and that, more people, more people want to remind people
have absolute a love affair between Italians, especially Italians and Jews,
especially in New York because of this cultural melting pot.

(34:48):
I just want to remind people that there is still
a kindred spirit that is alive and well, and that
most people could not care less what is happening in
any other part of the world when it comes to
us individually, Mono and Mono, we don't care. I appreciate that.

Speaker 6 (35:06):
Vincent.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
By the way, how's your health? Last time it was
your tooth or something you were.

Speaker 9 (35:12):
Yeah, well, sir, well, my tooth continues to be uh
to be a problem. In fact, tonight I went out,
I went out to eat, and I told my girlfriend,
I said, instead of me spitting out my tooth and
the plate, I said, I better take it out of
my mouth in the car. So I gotta go some

(35:33):
I gotta find up because it's my front lateral in size.
I gotta go.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah, now, Vincent, I gotta ask a question that a
lot of people are asking, and I don't don't. Don't
think me of being impertinent or whatever you keep saying.
Your girlfriend, she sounds like a wonderful personally. When are
you gonna make her an honest woman? Come on, man,
life's too sure. What's the matter with you living.

Speaker 9 (35:59):
Sim That's a good that's a good question, especially given
the fact that when I croak, I don't want the
government to take everything I have. I want her to
get everything I have. So uh no, I have every intention.
I have every intention of making a missus. So aside for.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
We broadcasted live? Can we broadcast it live? Would you
do me the honor? I know?

Speaker 9 (36:29):
Lionel speaking about the cultural affidity between the New York
Jews and the Italians. The first wedding I ever went
to in my life in the fifties, my cousin Richard
married a woman named Barbara. She was Jewish, her family
was Jewish. We went to two affairs in one day.

(36:50):
First affair that was the marriage was officiator in the
Catholic church and in the second in a shool, and
then we had a multi an interfaith the reception that
was that was my cousin Richard. And this was so
that connection, that affinity between the Italian Jews. It's been

(37:13):
there for a long time. I'd say probably since the
nineteen twenties.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
You know what's funny, I was thinking, I one of
my favorite, if not I think, I think the gem
of gems of New York City is Arthur Avenue in
the Bronx. I absolutely love it. And what's so interesting
is when you walk on Arthur Revenue amidst all of
the great Italian restaurants and bakeries, there's Title Brothers right

(37:44):
there in the middle of the Title Family. I think
for like one hundred years this Jewish shops. It's incredible,
absolutely again a testament to I don't want to keep
saying melting pot. That sounds so trite, but it is true.
That's the part, and that's what I want. People don't understand.

(38:04):
It's the it's the heterogeneity. When you have multiple cultures,
multiple people together. You benefit Listen to my friend, Vincent,
Please do not change. I thank you. Don't be a stranger.
Call me anytime, good friend, all the very best. By
the way, true story. I gotta tell you this. When
I was in regular grade school, elementary school, right before

(38:30):
I right before I was confirmed in the Catholic Church,
I switched schools, like in the seventh grade or whatever
it was. For whatever reason, I missed the confirmation. Okay,
so my first I was a freshman, well, I guess
a freshman in high school or actually before they excuse me,

(38:53):
prior to that, pardon me, and yeah, yeah, eighth grade.
So anyway, make a long story short. My parents said,
what would you like for your confirmation? I did it.
I did it for my mother. I got confirmed the
name Thomas Thomas Aquinas that's my confirmation name is not
even so they said what would you like? So I
got a Shwin Varsity beautiful ten speed. It was beautiful, gorgeous.

(39:18):
That was my gift. Okay. One morning, I go out
in the back porch or whatever you want to call it,
and the gate is open. I said, oh my god,
that we had this stupid dog, and I thought, make
sure the dog didn't leave anyway. My bike is gone.
My bike is gone. What are you gonna do? Okay,
cut to the future. So help me God, As a

(39:42):
great father Jim Lloyd would say, help me God, I
should go blind if I'm lying. I was in college
at the time, at my parents' house. Nobody was there. Afternoon,
there's a knock at the door and there's a fellow
who's standing there, kind of young, looking very nervous, and

(40:03):
I felt immediately like, I don't know, I didn't know
what I perceived, but I was. I was trying to
look very large and very because we were all working out,
and you know, was younger, and I don't know what
the hell I'm preparing myself, but I'm trying to give
him a cue that I'm ready to fight if you
if you have robbery in mind or whatever it was. Anyway,

(40:25):
so this young guy says, excuse me, have you lived
here for I don't know, ten years? I said, well, yes,
did you used to have a Shwin Varsity pike. I said, yes,
he says, I stole it. Now me, mister glib, mister

(40:46):
you know funny with the repost and the retort, I said,
huh that was my reaction, huhm, because yes, I was
whacked out of my mind on drugs. I'm paraphrasing, of course,
And I am at this this is my name. I
don't know, I didn't write it down. I didn't care.
But I'm at this church and I believe that in

(41:09):
order for Christ to forgive me, I must try to
I must try to pay people back. I'm trying to
remember what I stole, but I remember you, and I
saw you. It was creepy and I saw you riding
your bike and I followed you and I said, wow,
it was a weird feeling. But anyway, I realized that

(41:31):
the only way that I will be forgiven is if
you forgive me. But I must make recompense. So would
you like the money or would you like a new bike?
I said, well, I'm not riding a bike anymore because
a bike riding was purely for it was a utility.
There was no there was no exercise. A well, they said, well,

(41:53):
then I went to this place I remember, a thrifty
bike shop. I priced it one hundred and forty dollars.
Then he gave me the money. He says, now, do
you forgive me? And you know what I said, mister
glib you know where. My response was, I'm sorry, but

(42:15):
one of the stupidest things. I'm sorry about what. I
was so so not flummoxed. I was so broadsided was
I was gobsmacked. That was I couldn't believe it. So anyway,
he says, thank you. He looks so relieved. I went
back in the house. We had no cell phones in

(42:36):
I'm calling everybody. I called my father, he's not there.
I called my mother was out somewhere. And I was
sitting there with this money, thinking, I can't believe what
just happened. And I never forgot that in this man's mind,
he believed that reconnecting was his connection to his morality,

(42:57):
to his conscience and it. And then later on we
had a class in the university, as people say, and
it was called advanced Expository Writing, and uh, I of
course got an a because I was like to write.
But when I put but when I presented this story,
the teacher. Professor said, you know this, this normally has

(43:20):
to be This is not fiction. I said, madam, you
don't know me, but I swear on whatever you want.
This happened. There was a myth, by the way, have
you ever heard this that men used to that used
used to place their hand on their forgive me, on

(43:41):
their testicles when they swore, hence the word testify. That's
a tad apocryphal. It's a great story. I'd like to
do that in court when they forget the Bible. By
the way, I've never seen a Bible yet, But would
you raise your right hand and grab yourself? Asked, do
you solemnly swear? But I told her, I said, I swear.
This happened. And it just goes to show you this

(44:04):
story of this idea of morality. Animals don't have that,
fish don't have that, giraffes don't have that. They have
a sense of order. It's survival of the fittest. But
morality and compunction and conscience and all of that, these
are purely human and the question is do they serve
a purpose? Absolutely not necessarily for salvation, But society benefits

(44:29):
tremendously economically from that. Eight hundred and eighty four eight
nine two two morality, conscience, sin will even go that
for that for all? Coming up on another side of
Midnight with a linel.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Us, Lady Linet you.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
I think the didn't the keyboard player for Toto right
this particular song, I believe eight hundred and four eight
nine to two. We're talking morality, We're talking congent. What
a phenomenal subject. Let's go back to the phone. Is
back to what I have all found. Go to Pamela
in New Jersey. Pamela, you're on another side of Midnight

(47:18):
with lionel Good morning.

Speaker 10 (47:21):
Morality is what you do right when nobody else is looking.
I really believe in that phrase. And I was having
a conversation with a young person on my block just
about a week ago, and we were talking about all,
you know, life in general, and I said, you know,

(47:43):
I judge people a lot of times by not you know,
there's forgiveness in there, but I judge people by you know,
I caught a neighbor stuffing recyclables in the garbage and
just I mean, it would have been so easy to
put these plastic bottles to, you know, just recycle. And
you might think it's a little thing. But if they're
doing that, what else are they doing?

Speaker 1 (48:04):
And we're going to stop for a second. It stop
for a second. It may to this person be trifling, unimportant,
unnecessary if you don't know the specifics of this, the importance,
the criticality. Uh, that's it's almost I don't want to

(48:25):
say it excuses it. But that's a different story.

Speaker 11 (48:27):
Now.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
If the person has a contempt for recycling, if the
person because I've met these these recycling nazis, that just
drive me nuts.

Speaker 10 (48:37):
Well, no, no, I'm just talking in general about you know,
certain things like my father used to tell us, you know,
us kids, you know, if you're a thief and a liar,
you will do something worse. And you know being a
thief and a liar is pretty bad. I mean, you
steal something cheap, you will move on to others things.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Let me ask you this.

Speaker 10 (49:01):
Question, and you generally it's true.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
In let me ask you because I'm curious. Let me
ask you this question. Let's assume you are enlisted to
work for your government. Let's say in an intelligence services CIA, FBI,
and one of the things you're asked to do is
to steal secret steal communications wiretap eavesdrop on the enemy.

(49:27):
You're stealing, you're taking their information? Is that exempted?

Speaker 10 (49:33):
I would not so rigid as to if I signed
on as an espionage personnel.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
But before you, is there something your moral with that
does that? Does that violate the moral? And should that
also violate?

Speaker 10 (49:47):
Well, then you'd have to sit down and intellectualize it
and see if you were you would not be able
to do it.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
I'm asking you.

Speaker 10 (49:56):
Well, it depends on the cause, and if I signed
up for it, I would I would do it.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah, let me let me think of a bigger of
a bigger issue. Though again I don't want to rush this,
but if you're doing something.

Speaker 10 (50:07):
The safety of people in my country.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Yeah, Now, what you just did was you just basically
said I will steal because it benefits me. And if
it's my people, my family, my country, I'm stealing this
and I'm going to come up with a construct in
my mind, rationalizing, intellectualizing in which I will feel good
about that. And yet, but when it comes to recycling,

(50:32):
that's another story. No, there's no excuse for that. What
I'm saying is morality oftentimes, and thank you for your call,
is relative. It is not what you think it is.
That's my favorite part. There are people that I know
who went during Vietnam. They were following orders, and I

(50:54):
remember one in particular, gentlemen told me how they would
just just just destroy you know, individual villagers lighting hooch lighters,
you know, the zippos, and they would go in and
they would take their rice and empty it. And these
women will be crying because they figured, you're gonna be
using that to feed the enemy. There's no reason why

(51:14):
you should have this much rice. There's no reason why
you should have this much these many provisions, and they
and to these people, they looked at us and said,
what are you doing you sick?

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Oh no, no, ma'am.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
We're doing this for a better reason. You see, I'm
not the bad guy. I'm here fighting communism. You see.
It gets more complicated the more we try to explain
away how our theft, our deception, our duplicity is for
a different reason, a better reason, a more noble reason.

(51:50):
That's my favorite, how we explain away the way we
do things eight hundred four eight nine two two too.
Also coming up the notion of communality, What does that mean?
What does that mean? I'll explain this to you. Oh,
We've got a lot of great stuff to talk about,
all on another side of midnight with me.

Speaker 6 (52:13):
I know more coming up.

Speaker 12 (52:36):
H I know, I know, I know, I know, I know,
I know, I know, I know, I know, I know,

(52:56):
I know.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Nobody line up with you. What number it's eight hundred
and eight or eight nine two two two. This is
another side of midnight. We're here for two more hours,
so get in. Our lines are full. We have no
lines available. Pay attention to the next call that is
terminated or ends the call or ends the conversation opens

(53:28):
up a line for you. I love the story of
Forgive Me, but it's the Socratic method in me. I'd
love to say, yeah, but what about this. Ethics are situational.
I forgot to mention this. Ethics, morality, conscience, it is
all situational. There is no such thing as a black

(53:49):
and white rule of lying and deceit and what's right
and what's wrong. Nothing absolutely, and what you consider to
be moral and moral depends up on your culture. There
are people who feel it absolutely immoral, insane, unethical to

(54:10):
eat animal flesh, or wear animal products, or to wear fur,
or to and we can say nah, that's crazy to you,
it's crazy not to them. Yeah, but there exagger How
do you know this?

Speaker 3 (54:25):
What do you know?

Speaker 1 (54:26):
There are people who believe that gambling, drinking are immoral.
And then you throw into to the effect religion. Sometimes
religion will make it even easier for you. These are
the rules. That's it. Don't drink. Remember the old joke
why don't people Why don't Southern Baptists ever make love
standing up? It looks too much like dancing. And there

(54:49):
was this thing about that. I love the fact and
when you talk about religions, Oh, we get even better.
And how people can be basically look at each other
and say we will destroy you and do it without
batting an eye. I'm right, I'm right, and and we

(55:11):
will justify it. I will never understand the Vietnam War.
Don't give me the I understand the explanations. The explanations
are ridiculous. I will never understand that, never under any
circumstances whatsoever. I love the way we come up with
different ways of explaining things. How about using drugs? Is

(55:32):
that a problem?

Speaker 6 (55:33):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Yes? What about using wine during ceremonies, religious ceremonies, Well
why not? Well it's wine yeah, but well, why is
that different? Well, I don't think how about the government
forcing you to take a vaccine? Is that immoral? How
about people stealing votes? Shall I go on? And when

(55:58):
we get into the notion of AI, you know, like
it gets even more fantastic. Let's just jump right back
into it. By the way, when I opened the show
right off the bat, Neil and Brooklyn called right away
before I even said anything, And he's been on the
phone and he wants to talk about something which has
nothing to do with anything important. But I wanted, nonetheless

(56:21):
to address him. Neil, you're on another side of Midnight
with Lionel. What's on your mind?

Speaker 5 (56:25):
I forced myself to stay up. I had to call
you right away. A couple of months ago you said
something that brought back a memory to me, and.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Then you had months ago.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't Yeah, you know, two
in the morning, you.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Know, Okay, that is corright, that is correct.

Speaker 6 (56:45):
I three, But I.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
Think he wanted it to elaborate for you had to
go to a hard break and you were talking about Okay,
the memory I have is right. There was a time
when when lawyers could not could not advertise on TV
but or advertise at all, right, advertise at all. So
it was in the news for quite a while before

(57:08):
they actually got the permission to do it. And at
that time, I was wondering what these commercials would be like.
And I think you are alluding to that. It's like,
you know, like would the commercials have been like Crazy Eddy,
Like they'd be like a guy like Nasty Nats. You know,
like if you're if you're an arsonist, if you're a
serial killer, if you're a wife theater, come and see

(57:30):
Nasty Nat. Because his his his his clients are insane.
You know, I thought you were going that way.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Well, what do you think about it?

Speaker 5 (57:41):
What do I think is too much? I mean, I'm
until they started to debate it, I never had a
I never even realized they didn't advertise, you know, I mean,
you know, I mean, but what.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Do you think about lawyer advertising in general?

Speaker 5 (57:59):
I think it did go over the top. I actually,
I'll tell you the truth. I once got excuse from
jewelry duty.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Okay, no, wait, change you change. What do you think
about you brought up the subject of lawyer advertising. What
do you think about lawyer advertising? This is your topic?
What do you think about it.

Speaker 5 (58:23):
A little bit. I think it's.

Speaker 11 (58:30):
I don't. I don't, I don't.

Speaker 5 (58:32):
I don't object to it. I think it's a little
over the top. A lot of the advertising. You know,
it actually turned out the way I predicted it. You
know it got a little uh you know, like you.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Know, no, no, no, there is no nasty dead Do you
think the advertising is over the top on what you've heard?

Speaker 5 (58:54):
Oh, yeah, I mean they got ambulance chases advertising.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Now, no, no, no, stop for a second, no, no, no,
it's not there are no ambulance chasers advertising. That's an
old expression. What do you think about the advertising now?
In by the way, thank you for your call. I
appreciate this. This poor men had no idea what he
was talking about. The Supreme but we thank you nonetheless.

(59:17):
The Supreme Court case it was in nineteen seventy seven.
It was Bates against the State bar of Arizona, and
the Supreme Court ruled that truthful, truthful lawyer advertising, particularly
information about routine services and prices, is commercial speech protected
by the First Amendment, and Arizona in this case could

(59:39):
not impose a blanket prohibition on attorney advertising, and the
protection is not unlimited states may still regulate, you know,
advertisements that are false or deceptive or misleading. I'll tell
you what. I always found it a little bit. I
intellectually don't like it, but I can't you know, what's

(59:59):
the difference between that and remember doctor Zizmoor. I don't
even know if he's around, but he was always in
the subway, doctor Zizmore. And you saw these panels. He
always had this very kind of a weird kind of
not weird, I should say, strike that uh, kind of
a sedate look very like that horrible picture of Berry Manulin.

(01:00:22):
If you've seen Barry Manil. Why we're having these geriatric
people on stage? Have you seen him? His face can't
it's paralyzed by virtue of the plastic surgery or whatever
he has. He's not even singing, he's not even moving
his mouth. But anyway, but doctor Zizmore, they had, you know,
focused on acne and whatever it was. And I thought, well,

(01:00:45):
you know, it must be effective because they're there all
the time. But my favorite lawyer advertising was people would
take investigators. You would go down to the police station
in the old days, take all the accidents that occurred
over the weekend, all the fender benders, and this is

(01:01:06):
before computers have to sift through this, and you would
send letters out, you know, grieving with them and our
condolence is over your loss. And it was like a
thunder bender if we could be of any service. And
at the top of the letter you had to have
in big letters advertising and I thought this looks so cheesy.

(01:01:30):
So I personally I can't stand that. Will fight. I'm
gonna fight for you now. I know it's effective. It's
very effective personally speaking personally, what are you fighting for?
What's all this fighting? And just you know, but listen,

(01:01:51):
it's here to stay. What are you gonna do? I
don't know. I have no idea anyway, but thank you
for that. This poor man was on for over an
hour for that call. Let's go back to the phones,
Charlie and Cherry Hill. Charlie is going to add a
new layer of complexity to this issue. Charlie, you're on
another side of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 6 (01:02:10):
Yes, Lionel, can I change my topic? Can talk about
lawyer or advertising? And I wanted to talk about that
now because he made some really good points and I
just want you want.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
To talk about it if you want to talk about it,
you be my guesser.

Speaker 6 (01:02:23):
Go ahead, Thank you. And I just want to say
you and Vincent that Vincent's a great caller. He's terrific, phenomenal,
and he is he phenomenal, And you were good with him.
You were good.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
You're both bat by by the way, by the way,
sometimes other there are other people in the business, and
I say these very carefully who also availed themselves of
Vincent's genius. But I think I do a much better
job in plumbing the depths of this man's sagacity and sapiens.
In any event, Charlie, what's on your mind?

Speaker 6 (01:02:56):
What do you think so about lawyer advertising as someone
who's not a member of the bar as part of
the general civilian population. I would say so, I would say,
it provides me with a layer of information and cost

(01:03:16):
that I didn't know was there. But what I absolutely
that one guy said and what you had said, and
this is what I want, what I want to change topics.
There's this really horrible it's not on this station. But
but I don't know if you necessarily what may going too,
But there's.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
No rather not rather not okay, but tell me, tell
me in general rather than that, what do you find
objectionable in general? In general?

Speaker 6 (01:03:46):
Okay, well, most lawyer advertising is good. It's specific to
the point it hands out the information. That's a disturbuts
to seventy simpers, that's what I want. There are occasionally
there are commercials which go over the top like that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
You give me the example. Not no, no, there is
no crazy yeeddy, there is no There is no commercial
like that. It doesn't exist. You do have to pass.
There are strict rules as far as what you can
and can't say, and claims and that sort of thing. Anyway,
the bottom line is simply this. It makes sense. It
provides you with information, It lets you know as to

(01:04:24):
what's going on, and I appreciate it. Listen, Charlie, I
thank you so much, my friend. Please call me again.
It's like if you had something for brain cancer. You
know what I mean. It's it's a different it's a
different kind of it would be. It's a very important thing.
I remember years ago, driving on the Jersey Term Pike
they had open MRIs open. I'm thinking, who is this

(01:04:47):
ad for?

Speaker 6 (01:04:48):
What am I going to do?

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
I'm a civilian. Do I call up my doctor and say, listen,
I saw this this open MRI. I guess on the
Jersey Turnpike. Can I get one of those? Why do
you want one? Well, I know there's an ad or
sometimes I have a problem with speaking of advertising medications pharmaceuticals.

(01:05:10):
Ask your doctor about leavroscipran.

Speaker 6 (01:05:14):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
I don't know. Just call your doctor, alow doc. Yeah,
how about levrocipran. It's a woman's hormone replacement. Oh okay,
I never understood that one either. I always err on
the side of First Amendment. I always always, dare I
say er not air, err on the side of free speech. Now,

(01:05:38):
here's what you need to do. If one of the stories,
if you ask a judge, or you ask somebody who
was involved in it, If your kid, let's say, something
very very serious and you needed help and you needed
a lawyer in your jurisdiction in this particular case, this

(01:06:00):
particular whether it's slip and fall, whether it's medmole, assuming
it's civil, whether it's divorce, whatever it is, where would
you go? And those people have a different perspective. And
there's something always about if you ever want to find
something the doctor or the lawyers that court, clerks go

(01:06:20):
to court, reporters, bailiffs, court, I mean judges, the people
that say I've seen this guy. Also people if you're
dealing with something that's in the insurance business, most of
the time it's settled one hundred percent. There's really nothing really,
you know, you want to get the most. Most cases
are not a million dollars. You know you want to
be treated fairly. But the best point is is it's

(01:06:45):
like you ask a chef, where do you go when
you're a wife, where does Daniel blu gooh when he
wants to eat, you know, a grilled cheese? Or you
ask people kind of in the biz. But if you
don't know anybody in the biz, and if you were
introduced to something and you say, what do I do?
Then they may complete and total sense. Listen, I won

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free speech, period. I cannot even think offhand of any
any either advertising or thought or idea that is so heinous,
so awful, so opprobrious, so deleterious to the orderly functioning
of society that I would have it banned. I can't
think of anything eight hundred eighty four eight ninety two

(01:07:31):
two two. Let's go back to morality, to ethics to
conscience all on another side of Midnight with Lionel m Wiggle,

(01:08:15):
What happened? What had they? You know, Barry Manilo was
a tremendous talent, you know he was. I think he
was like one of the piano players I believed am
I is connectually with Beer. I don't want to speak.
I think I he's a great entertainer. But recently I

(01:08:37):
saw him and it is, as you zoom in, his
face looks it looks like one of those c I
A masks or it's it's it's frightening. Have you ever
seen sometimes when somebody has a face transplant, especially these
poor people who have their face ripped off by a
chimp in some attack, and they have this plastic kind

(01:08:58):
of rubber. It's like a bad disguise. That's what he
looks like. It's horrible. And he's doing these a hobby
horse kind of a You have to realize enough, the
worst was I I mean, I don't know if it's

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even I don't want to go on in too too
much detail about this, but Frankie Valley was just I mean,
that was child a child abuse, elder abuse. Same thing
with Bill McDill, but Glenn Campbell towards the end of
his life. He was out there, couldn't remember his song.
I mean, it's just you have to ask yourself. Is
whatever happened to human decency? Okay, let's go back at

(01:09:41):
the phone was back to what I call fun. Let's
go to George in Westchester. You're on another side of midnightwood, Lionel. Yes, George, George,
are you asleep? Are you a mid slumber? Are you there?

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Are we so horrific? I think he's not there?

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
And any man.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
Then let's go to Alexi in Queen's Alexi. You're on
another side of Midnightwoo, Lionel.

Speaker 6 (01:10:11):
Good evening, my friend. I have, Sir, I have an
idea in my mind. I want to share with you
about the morality if you go back to the base
basical beginning's most ruralmentary things of civilization, even just before
the form of civilizations arose, say ten twelve thousand years ago,

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you had every living thing in this world, not from
the beetle all the way up to the elephant, all
and operating on pure instinct. There is no intellectual development,
we agree correct any any reactions to stimuli from the
outside world, was quickly experienced and quickly discounted, so it

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had no place in their mind. What happens in my
theory is that about maybe that time ten twelve thousand
years ago, because of the ongoing rapidity of evolution, every
change in the human human species, the apes as well,
that a profound event happened where they started to occur,

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a dissolution of instinct. And now you have a new
player in the game where it was necessary to learn.
Instinct became how would you say it, intellect? You intellect
started to form, You gathered knowledge. You had to gather

(01:11:42):
knowledge and with the crew and build into something bigger
and bigger and bigger. So you learned. You were learning.
Now you had to learn. There was no longer the
center of the hunt where you could track an animal
by scent or exactly. Yeah. So what happens is you
look at the basic beginnings of civilization, say six thousand

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and five thousand years ago. You have these document the Bibles.
In Book of Genesis, it says God created alban A
via Yaa, and what happened. He gave them the whole world.
He said, this is all yours except for one thing.
Do not eat of this tree of the knowledge of people,
right right, this schism that the codes in the mind

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from the jump from instinct to intellect created morality and
the free will. And what did they do? Simple fact,
we disobey. We have three will, so we disobey and
they got punished. And then Kane kills the table. You
have murder And what a way to start a species. Huh.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
Well, let me ask you something very very quickly. Do
you believe actually that there was anything involving gods prohibition
regarding fruit?

Speaker 6 (01:13:02):
Do you? I mean?

Speaker 9 (01:13:03):
Do you?

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
Or is that is a parable? I think there are
people who actually believe and maybe it's true. Maybe I
don't know about this, that this is precisely what happened.
Do you believe that's the case?

Speaker 6 (01:13:15):
No? No, okay, it is. There are sixteen versions of
the Bible all yes, basically of those sixteen except for
two or three are completely imagine a pure imagination creatively.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
Well, or or it would seem to be. Now here's
something very interesting which I think is important. There is
a instinct. Is this wonderful? Even before instinct? There's also
something called reflex and reflex which is even more interesting
because reflex is this idea that's it's like Pateller. It's uh,

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it's just you can't even it's almost autonomic and reflexive.
Then there's something which is Pavlovian, which were this responses
because of conditioning and that sort of thing. Then we
move up the ladder. Now here's my question. Sometimes with
our addition of intellect, we move and we absent ourselves

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from the importance of instinct. Instinct is something that I
hope that we never get rid of. You know that
there is a wonderful balancing act. The better your eyesight,
the worse you're hearing, and vice versa. So there's this
whenever you improve in one particular area, something else suffers.
So I find it's also how we have to balance

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as a human being, that which we impose upon ourselves willingly.
I think all of us have this idea of and
it's not so much I'll like say, just merely merely morality.
There's this thing called fairness. Even kids say, hey, that's
not fair. Hey, hey she took my cookie. You recognize

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trespassorial violations, that's wrong. We know right and wrong. In fact,
we show an indignation. A dog will just grab the
cookie or the whatever. Back, we show anger and resentment.
We don't forget we're so anyway. But the thing about
this is that what I find the most interesting is

(01:15:23):
how we as humans will intellectualize around it. We will
come up with reasons that I mean to tell you
it just now, let's jump to the next the next case.
Do you think good, sir? And by the way, I

(01:15:44):
appreciate your erudition, because I can imagine you wearing tweed
with a jacket with the patches on the elbow and
an ascot like an Oxford don and some anyway, but
do you believe that there is It's going to be
fascinating to see when artificial intelligence kicks in. And then

(01:16:05):
the artificial intelligence hits let's say consciousness, self awareness, what
will its morality be? And let me say one more
thing and then you can respond. Recently, there was a
study where based upon these lllms and whatever this level
of AI is, they asked it to look at four

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or five different scenarios. Four out of the five whatever
these systems were, I think, except for anthropic recommended in
this kind of a geopolitical issue nuclear war, and it
looked at it as being well, this would be the
most effective way of dealing with this. Have you ever

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used GPS where it will tell you to go in
the worst area where the worst neighborhoods and the worst
but in terms of distance or time it's shorter. It
doesn't know any of the considerations like risk, unsightliness, you know,

(01:17:11):
but whatever. So do you think that our morality could ever,
ever actually be mimicked, copied, or operationally duplicated by AI
or anything else like that? Sorry for the long question.
What do you think?

Speaker 5 (01:17:25):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:17:26):
No, No, I am grateful for your statements. What you're
saying it is, Will AI ever ascend to the status
of human perceptions? No? No, because because how do you

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explain it? All right, He's an example if you accept it,
the exhilaration of smelling a freshly grown roads it is
an exhilaration, not just only smelling, getting the molecules of
the odor of the rose. But you are you are
sometimes it's very excilerated.

Speaker 5 (01:18:07):
You are.

Speaker 6 (01:18:08):
Oh, some people are, Oh, I'm a static, it's so beautiful.
The AI is in capable of this because it is
number one. It had does not have the sensory on
the perception perceptivity of human beings. We can notice with
our eyes and sounds with our ears, and the touch

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of our fingers and whatever. We notice great sort of
pies and things. And in this state of our mind
is dying for information, the subconscious especially, and it draws
these exotic, very esoteric conclusions in the subconscious, and it
complements us greatly. We we we we are moved, We

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are moved, so to speak. AI cannot do this. It
is simply circuit sill.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Okay, let me ask you this. I'm going to respond
to you as Ai. I would say, oh, thank you
for your wonderful comment, Alexei. But you're regaling us with
your I mean, you're actually waxing rahapsodic over the notion
of the aesthetics of the old factory, benefits of the rose,
and the smell of the amazour after a rain. And

(01:19:23):
by the way, dogs like to sniff each others behind too,
and they to them. That's also rahapsodic and is wonderful,
And oh my god, this is a waste of time
if you think that's critical. That you're right about that.
Now I'm Ai speaking. You're right about that, Alexi. You
you are correct, you are you could smell away that

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we can't But what I can do is I can
handle about fifty different issues at the same time. I'm
far more efficient than you. And I can also understand,
and I can look at history, and I could do
things and use intellect. What you think what we as
humans do. Now, let me see if I can add

(01:20:05):
kind of what you're saying, but in a different a
different take. If I ask an AI either some kind
of LM something, whatever the platform is. If I said, please,
please please help me with this, I have to make

(01:20:28):
a decision. I need you to act as a lawyer
or a judge or a doctor. For example, AI is
very very good and AGI eventually going through diagnosing every
kind of breast cancer. It can look at, think about this,
every mammogram ever taken in the history of mankind. Learn

(01:20:51):
immediately every neoplasm, every nodule, every shadow. I mean, it
is superb. What it can ants do is judgment and
morality in humanity. For example, in this case, we have
a ninety year old woman who has developed an let's say,

(01:21:13):
a stage one lesion, and rational people would say, we're
not going to do chemo. We're not going to do radiation.
She's nineties years old. It will kill her, it's too no, no, no, no, Now,
AI might say, excuse me, if you want me to
determine the way to handle this is radiation, a lumpectomy,

(01:21:35):
blah blah blah, and you say no, you don't understand
the perspective. Let's take, for example, the issue of a judge.
A person is found guilty, what do you do sentence
him to jail? Well, that may be great for AI,
but what about the fact of jailed overcrowding? Number two?
He's too young? Number three? This is his first defense?
Number four? Are there other means less restrictive, noncarceral, like probation,

(01:21:59):
community serve? And also what will this do to the family?
He is about to enter the military and a conviction
will kill See all of these things I'm throwing in.
I don't know if AI can even take this, because
it's not morality as much as it is compassion, feeling,
you know what I'm saying. That's where I have a

(01:22:22):
big problem. I don't know how they could ever do this.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
Our emotions are sometimes wrong, our emotions are absolutely wrong,
but we have this thing of not morality, but judgment, compassion,
understanding justice. How do you tell machines justice. So we've
got morality, we've got ethics, we've got conscience and now

(01:22:47):
justice all of these think about what we're doing is
we're also very good at coming up with words to
describe kind of the same thing but different. Now what
you and I have been, and you and I have
have been involved in this conversation, which I cannot tell
you how much I love because you're a breath of
fresh air. A very diminimus percentage of the population would

(01:23:11):
even endeavor this because Americans in particular love to just react.
We don't want to think about things. We don't want
to sit there and ask what about this? What does
this word mean? What does this context mean? And I
hope that people, if anything, can listen to us and
we're not yelling and we're not screaming or we're not
doing anything. But it's two people just kind of like

(01:23:31):
dissecting the issue. Does that make any sense? I've spoken
too much. I'm this is prolix as they say, Go ahead, sir,
someone who is.

Speaker 6 (01:23:47):
To get my name?

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
Are you okay, sir? Are you talking to are you
talking to imaginary voices?

Speaker 6 (01:23:53):
Are you all right? Yeah? I'm here.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
Were you talking to somebody else.

Speaker 6 (01:24:00):
No, I'm talking to you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
Oh it sounded.

Speaker 6 (01:24:03):
Like you were a compliment, Sadi. I was complementing you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
That there was one time. There was one time we
talked and you were talking to your son or somebody,
and I thought you were talking to me. I'm thinking,
what the hell is this guy talking about you?

Speaker 6 (01:24:20):
Saying no, no, no, that call doctor.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
Listen, Alexi. I wish you the best, my friend. Thank
you so much for gracing the portals of my humble
show with your brilliance, your sagacity, your sapiens, and your
air rudition. Let's go to uh, Let's go to rich In,
New Jersey. Rich You're on another side of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 8 (01:24:42):
I got a couple of money stories that I lost
in the return. But before that, Kim Kardashian is famous
because of the Secret tape and that Timothy Shall amazed
girlfriend and sister. She's a totally fake everything about her
she's laughable. That that's another story.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
I would venture to disagree. I would venture to disagree.
She is a I don't know if she's a billionaire,
but she has She is a marketing genius along with
her family. And you may just not like her, but
either as Kylie or whatever, whoever is the sister is.
I don't think you're I think you're being a bit harsh.

Speaker 4 (01:25:23):
But anyway, I'm Joeus.

Speaker 8 (01:25:25):
But anyway, in the meantime, years ago, I had to
get home from a vacation in the Jamaica and this
couple I was on a plane. They would having to
stop off in somewhere in Carolina or whatever, and never
were going to California. I didn't have twenty bucks to
get through nowark there was no such thing as credit
cards for me or whatever. I borrow twenty bucks, I

(01:25:50):
get the bunny by I send them back twenty five.
He called me up. He thought he'd never see it again.
So another time, I'm going up to Montreal. I meet
this young lady for prime site advertising. She flies around
the world with the airports. The advertisement has to be
a certain size, certain dimension. Blah blah blah they put.
They pulled me aside up their customs or whatever I

(01:26:13):
owe them. I had a dwy years ago. They wouldn't
let me in the country. I said, I'm not driving
up here. I flew they wanted they needed eighty bucks.
Eighty bucks. I had to borrow the eighty bucks from her,
so she gave it to me. She thought you'd never
see again. I had her card. I think I said
the cash. Maybe I made it one hundred and sent

(01:26:33):
it to her office in England. She finally got it.

Speaker 9 (01:26:36):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (01:26:37):
The next time, I'm in the Columbus Circle area and
Hula Hans years ago, met the bar Indian guys. Two
Indian guys are talking to me. I don't know why,
but I have a conversation. I'm walking down to the
bus eighth Avenue. I don't have my wallet. They picked
my wallet. That's why it's distracted me. So homeless guys

(01:26:58):
asked me for money. I think there was us then
for money, then they'll walk away. Somebody found the wallet
on the street and mailed it back to me. That's
that's much money story. So that was it about the money?
Do you This is a situation with the twenty bucks,
the eighty bucks from the girl I was sitting next to,

(01:27:19):
and the person found my wallet. Three stories like that,
that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
I want to thank you very much for this, and
I also want to take you. Thank you for taking
us into your dark and demented world. Thank you, my friend,
please go again, emil Me. I know you age undred
eight four eight nine to two two. Let's go to
Let's go to Tom in New Jersey. Tom, you're on

(01:27:44):

Speaker 6 (01:27:47):
Good Morning Line. Remember a little, a little earlier, you
mentioned how some people think that it's immoral to eat
animal flush m all right.

Speaker 5 (01:27:59):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:28:00):
In the nineteen eighties, there was a series called Faces
of Death. He recalled that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
Oh yeah, sure, yeah, A lot of them were a
lot of them were were not real. But yes, I
remember watching that. It was it was fascinating.

Speaker 6 (01:28:14):
So I didn't know that. I wanted to tell you
about one that stuck in my mind. If you don't mind.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
Tell me as though, would tell us? Remember we're on radio.
I don't think there's any kids listening, But just tell
us within reason, uh, notwithstanding that it might be dare
I say, questionable in terms of its proven ods?

Speaker 6 (01:28:32):
What is it? I'll just get to it, all right.
So there's a round table. There's a bunch of people
sitting around the table, and then.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
The monkey, the monkey brains, the monkey brains.

Speaker 6 (01:28:42):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that second, I keep pounding it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
Yeah, yes, what about this? What about taking excuse me
a cobra. This is done I think in Thailand or Vietnam,
and I think it's a obrah a snake. While the
snake is alive, you slice open it's whatever, pull out
its heart, and you swallow its beating heart. And the

(01:29:14):
pain Thailand or Vietnam or something, and it's it's a
delicacy and it's you. You can, They say, you swallow
it as it's beating. Now this snake is alive and
feels pain, because anything that has nerves feels pain. Here's

(01:29:36):
what I find interesting, And I love the fact that
we say, Okay, can you eat a shrimp? Yes? Can
you eat a fish, yes, But to shrimp feels How
about a lobster? Okay? When you throw a lobster in
boiling water? Okay, now we move up. Now, what about

(01:29:57):
a deer? Okay? Venison maybe can absolutely poork absolutely beef absolutely?
How about a cat like? Oh no, no, no, no, no,
no no no, what's wrong with that? Oh no no,
that's sick. Why is that sick? In our culture? That's sick?
What about eating a rat? What about eating bugs? They're

(01:30:19):
actually very tasty, those little uh those little Mexican they're there,
they taste like like nuts. You you would you would
never know they were bugs. So isn't it funny? How
in our own mind we have this? How do I
say this? We have this hierarchy of animals or things.
If they appear in Disney, we have nothing to do

(01:30:41):
with them. If they don't appear in Disney, have them
kill them, skin them. By the way, thank you for
your call. What about taking the flesh, fur, leather? Is
this bother people fur?

Speaker 5 (01:30:56):
Not?

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
Really? How about a mink? I like what they say, Yeah,
but they're raised for that. What we're doing is this
is situational ethics, situational morality, based upon culture, based upon
how you're raised, based upon a lot of things. How
about the idea of either using halal or kosher methods

(01:31:20):
to slaughter animals. The meat is superior in terms of
its health whatever. But people will look at this and
they see, why must we do it this way? If
you're going to have to do this, why not just
put one of these bolts kind of like no country
for old men? You know that one of those bolts,

(01:31:42):
or shock them or do something work. The animal is
stunned right away. Why are we using why are we
slitting the throat. While that's tradition, Yeah, but what if
that tradition is you know, maybe outdated. Tradition is never outdated.
Let's go as to further circumcision not for religious purposes.

(01:32:05):
Some people believe in circumcision for other reasons, either cosmetic
or health or what have you. You would not believe believe
the stories behind this. One time on the on the
old old WABC, I was doing a Morning Joe when
I talked to a guy, let me see if I

(01:32:25):
can clean this up. We had this on the air.
He was so traumatized by the removal of his prepuce
his foreskin that what he did was he took fishing
weights so help me, please forgive me, and he suspended
them or fixed them through adhesive or whatever to what

(01:32:49):
was remaining of his foreskin to stretch it. Forgive me.
But the point of this is that he did this
because he said he was so traumatized, so traumatized by
the circumcisition. And people will talk about it and the
debates and you know it's again tradition, religion, custom, all

(01:33:15):
of these things. We are a people so complicated. Just
think of the words tradition, custom, ethics, morality, conscience, go
just to go through just name it. It's unbelievable. Let's

(01:33:36):
go to Benny in Benny in Bayside. Benny, you're on

Speaker 6 (01:33:42):
Hey, you're talking about moralities and something I discovered. I'm
a divorce father. Me and my wife got divorced when
my wife when my wife when my daughter was seven.
I mean and my daughter are very close. Somewhere around
thirteen or fourteen, you know, I went to go see her.
I haven't seen her about them want that work in
all these weekends and I just couldn't get to them.

(01:34:04):
So finally I go see her and we go to
the diners to go grab a bike, eat, and then
we were going to go to wherever a mal or
a movie or whatever. And she takes her jacket off
and I go, what the hell it ols? You know?
And overnight she grew her chest and I understand, my god, Okay,
I said, you have that boyfriend Kenny, right, She goes, Dad,
I know, I know, I said, you don't know. I said,

(01:34:26):
I'm not here to tell you about protection or anything.
I know you're smarter than that.

Speaker 5 (01:34:30):
I know.

Speaker 6 (01:34:30):
You know, you know all about condoms and whatnot. You know, Dad,
I'm waiting. I'm waiting. I said, listen to listen. I said,
sex is awesome. I love having sex. I go, sex
is a lot of fun. I go, but listen to me,
I go. All men are pieces of garbage. They're all
They will tell you anything and everything to get into
those drawers.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
Do you believe that?

Speaker 6 (01:34:52):
And oh, absolutely, all men, All men are garbage. Oh absolutely.
You know. I love when somebody says there's a difference
between sex and love, and it's like a two or
three percent difference of joy between that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:07):
Anyway, what did you what did you tell us? I
know where this story is going. So when you told
your daughter what happened, then no.

Speaker 6 (01:35:14):
You have no idea where the story's going.

Speaker 1 (01:35:16):
But anyways, thought, oh yes I do. I'm reading the
I'm reading the subject.

Speaker 6 (01:35:19):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:35:21):
That's that's the whole purpose of when you talk to
the screener, you tell him, he writes it down. Let's
the chase, Yes, sir.

Speaker 6 (01:35:30):
Anyway, she went to college, she's very smart, had really
good jobs. And I swear in my life I was
not proving I wasn't like searching for her, and I
found her on a very famous one way camera site,
something mate dot com. Anyways, I'm looking at the thumbnails
and I'm looking at the name. It wasn't her name

(01:35:51):
on the bottom, but it was a very Frillian name.
I click on it and I goes, that's not hard,
that's not hard. I look in the background. I go,
but there are lagos. I bought her five years ago.
There's the stuff on. Well, I wanted great adventure. Holy,
I click out. I clicked off and she was fully
closed when I saw.

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
That, and she was clothed. Yes, well, what kind of
what kind of porn site is that?

Speaker 6 (01:36:18):
It's well, unless you pay whatever, they don't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
Very quickly because they're running out of time. Did you
confront her?

Speaker 6 (01:36:26):
I did. I texted her, I said listen.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
And what did she say? I?

Speaker 6 (01:36:30):
Actually, you could do one way texting on the site, okay?

Speaker 1 (01:36:33):
And what did she say? What did she say? What
did she say?

Speaker 6 (01:36:37):
She hadn't me since she's embarrassed. I guess how many
years ago? By doing that? This is about a year
and a half ago.

Speaker 1 (01:36:44):
And what were you doing? What were you doing on
that site?

Speaker 6 (01:36:48):
Oh well, I was doing what adult males do. Of course,
I wasn't doing that with my daughter. Jesus Christ. I couldn't.
I couldn't click out it out fast enough.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
No, I understand, Yes, what will you do next? Will
you confront her? I'm sorry, running out of time. What
will you do next? Will you confront her? Will you
say I want to talk?

Speaker 6 (01:37:08):
I said, you're smarter than that. I know you're smart,
you know? And then I look, but these kids are
making like like eighty ninety dollars an hour doing understand that?

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
What are you going to do with your daughter? What
are you going to tell her?

Speaker 6 (01:37:20):
Eventually? I assume we'll talk again.

Speaker 1 (01:37:24):
I will tell her. I'm asking you, what will you
tell her?

Speaker 6 (01:37:26):
Will I tell her I don't care that she did that.
I could care less good because I know that she's smart.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
Listen, I thank you for this to call me again.
You're going to tell her you love her, and by
the way, you couldn't care less, which is another story.
I don't want to be too priggish, but you're going
to tell her you love her, and then nothing that
she ever does will in any way affect that love,
and that's it. That's got to be a shock. Reminds
me of the George c. Scott, which is a different

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story obviously, but where he sees his daughter involved in
something far more horrific. We'll talk more about that about
the notion of the morality of pornography all on another
side of Midnight with the lionel Usa.

Speaker 13 (01:40:00):
HM no no no, no, no, no, no no no.

Speaker 1 (01:40:46):
Already in a line up with you eight hundred and
eight four eight nine.

Speaker 12 (01:40:49):
Two two two.

Speaker 1 (01:40:51):
You know, that is such a fascinating story of if
you find your daughter involved in something like that, you know,
it's it's funny that you say this. As I told
you on my line on Nation YouTube channel, I had
this this one member who has a I think an
only fans side. I don't know, And I said specifically,

(01:41:14):
what do I think about this? And I think that, uh,
it is something that is I don't want to use
the word immoral, but I think there's something that is
when you defile yourself, you you I believe I'm very
old fashioned. Let me rephrase this. I'm very fundamental. I'm

(01:41:37):
very fundamental. It's like, for example, if if you're eating
like for example, if you would eat a steak, don't
put a one on it, don't don't don't sauce it up.
Just let it go. If you're gonna barbecue salt and pepper,
let it go. Now. Is that that's fundamental? That's is
it old school? No, it's fundamental. There's nothing, there's no

(01:42:00):
depth to this. One of the most exceedingly attractive things
I think, I feel I can't speak to the rest
of the world is a woman who appreciates modesty, self respect, elegance,
class class. I always ask people to said, what do

(01:42:27):
you think is what do you think is class here?
Let's say Jane Mansfield or Audrey Heppert. I know I'm
dating myself. It tells you a lot about people, So
I don't understand how somebody thinks. And again it has
to do a lot to do with our own particular
maybe our own upbringing or whatever it is. But then again,

(01:42:52):
I would say, you know, we live in a world
right now where kids, young ladies in particular, men, but
young ladies in partic have been told for the longest
time that these ideas, these things such as what's the word,
these things such as modesty, self respect, class decorum, that

(01:43:16):
those are those are then that today's standards are different.
It's okay, by the way, it's okay for a woman
to use foul language too. I sound like such a
preacher or in what I'm saying is, if you're young today,
you realize that there is nothing put it this way,
there's really off limits. So can they be blamed? Are

(01:43:40):
we to blame? Is society to blame? This is so fascinating.
I never thought it would be. I don't know about you,
but I love talking about this. Eight hundred eight four
eight nine two two two. The third the final hour
coming up on another side of midnight with Lionel's.

Speaker 5 (01:44:39):
A band and it just thems to the birds, the b.

Speaker 12 (01:45:14):
I know, I know, I know, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:45:32):
Right right now, already align up with you. Eight hundred
and eight four eight nine two two two. This is
the last, the last, the last segment, the last time
we speak until we recommend we commenced brother next week.
What an honor it is to speak with you, I

(01:45:55):
mean that, to work with a great mister William Wildman
Lee Ian at the Helm, absolutely incredible and your thoughts
are just terrific, and I love the idea. I think
we need more. This This is if anything else. This
is almost like a version of dare I say a catechism.
This is almost as though it is a It is

(01:46:17):
a morality play.

Speaker 2 (01:46:19):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:46:19):
One of my favorites I love is war. And I
always ask what this is a thought experiment that I have,
and I always imagine this. I'm serious. If I could
meet what you would call God, and God said, let
me ask you something, what are people doing about war?

(01:46:43):
I said, oh God, it's incredible. So first, the people
who want the war for the most, the people who
call for it, by the way, used to be left
and right, used to be used to be the right wing,
you know, the conservatives, the Republicans wanted war, and the
left one at peace. Not anymore, not anymore. But the

(01:47:04):
people who want war never have to face it. Never.
They're either too old, their children will ever see it.
They're very big. They talk about bombs and death and
they don't know anything about it. They know nothing about it,
but it's very easy. They love to sit back, like
Kissinger or doctor Strange Love like to them, the world

(01:47:26):
is risk, you know, and they're very very absolutely matter
of fact appodictic. And God will see why is that
is it? Well, because you created them this way, you
could have fixed it, but you gave us this thing
called free will, and that free will included the freedom
to be stupid. The level of idiocy, of stupidity, ignorance,

(01:47:49):
nessians basic unicellular thinking that I see on a regular
basis at platforms, that I walk around astounded, astounded. And
the only thing more dangerous than a stupid person is

(01:48:11):
somebody who doesn't know they're stupid. And there's also something
which we do. We take stupid people and we give
them a microphone or a camera, or a platform or
a stage or a music contract or whatever it is.
We take some of the most profoundly inane stupid people.
And by the way, I would also tell God, we

(01:48:33):
have no ignorance, excuse me, no allergy towards stupid. Stupid, Well,
that's never a problem, never a problem, never ever. And stupid,
by the way, it's not ignorance. Ignorance means you don't
know anything, nscience, you don't know something. I'm ignorant as
to as to French, I'm not stupid, but I just

(01:48:55):
don't understand French. I don't speak it. I don't understand
I'm ignorant, stupid. It is the ability never to be
able to learn French or or to not understand the
basic ideas, to not sit back and realize layers. Do
you know that? Have you ever seen or been around

(01:49:16):
a chef who are been to a tasting I remember
telling I only want a friend of mine was opening
a restaurant and they had a tasting menu and I
got to go and it was interesting, and he had
friends of his in the business. It's almost like watching
like Gordon Ramsey or one of these shows and the

(01:49:38):
chefs who were debated, they were talking about this. You know,
it's interesting, it's very good, said, it's very clean. I said, oh,
was it like that? That that that they talked about
the back of the mouth, of different parts of the
tongue that were activated. I never they dissected the flavors
that he needs a little bit more of this, the
temperature that I I'm used to just eating it. It's

(01:50:01):
either good or not. They were able to exact, to describe,
to explicate, to limb, to provide the most exquisite details
of what it is. And that's what we should do
regarding issues. You will never see this on any kind
of a show where you have time limits, especially anything

(01:50:22):
on TV. TV in particular is the worst because you
give a minute, you gotta sell commercials. You can't go
into this minute. Do you know? Do you know is
interesting that? And this is just at aside. For the
longest time, people said kids, young people don't have an
attention span. They're stupid. I said, oh, I don't think

(01:50:44):
they are. Oh yes they are.

Speaker 6 (01:50:46):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:50:47):
During COVID, when people were at home and watching that
on Netflix, the number of people, young people who were
watching continuous every episode of a series, I mean hours
binge walking, they called the Netflix neck where your head

(01:51:09):
was going to turn. There are shows that I hear
every day on a different podcast platforms, YouTube platforms. One
in particular three and a half hours. Sky to the
show three and a half hours every single day, three
and a half hours minimum, it could be four and

(01:51:29):
people with him the whole time. Now, how do you
explain that? Because there are many many people out there
who really get it, and people have a thirst for
really analyzing things, and to analyze it not to be pedantic,
it's not to be needlessly complex, but once you get
into it, like at a tasting menu, when you realize,
you know what, I like this better. I appreciate the

(01:51:50):
issues more because I've never been allowed or have been
encouraged to explain this. Never. This is just rationals, just
real life. And one of the things about morality is
I think about this and ask herself always. And here's
the thing which people do not understand. They never do this.
They never put themselves in the position of the person

(01:52:12):
that you're speaking about. It's called empathy. To be empathic.
What do they think? It's not sympathy. You're not saying
you're not agreeing with them, but you're putting yourselves in
their position. What do they think about this? What's their perspective?
When you talk to this fellow who called about it,
found his daughter on a you know, a poor inside
or whatever. What does she think? Does she think it's wrong?

Speaker 3 (01:52:35):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:52:35):
Does she think she's embarrassed with her father? But does
she think she's doing everything wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:52:41):
Now does that make it right?

Speaker 6 (01:52:42):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:52:43):
But it's important. Why is she doing it? Is somebody
have a gun to her head? Does she? Does she
have a.

Speaker 11 (01:52:50):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
Or?

Speaker 1 (01:52:51):
Why do people think this? I'm gonna give you something
an example on a on a on a political level,
here are people love to talk about the mayor zorn
mom donnie, and they can't pronounce his name. Think mom,
mom and dad Donnie Donnie osman mom Donnie okay, and
people will never ask the following question. Rather than me

(01:53:14):
going and telling you what a terrible guy is, I
want to ask why do people like him? To whom
does he appeal to? What is he saying that works?
And how do we learn from him? Do you know
how many conservative shows would have me on if I
were to say that none, none, none, that's not what

(01:53:39):
they want to hear. That doesn't follow the no no no, no,
no no. That doesn't follow the narrow casting way of view.
So media sock puppet proxy media. Mainstream media defies intellectual curiosity.
It stands in the way of critical thinking. And it
is if it's just it's it's very very quick. It's

(01:53:59):
fast for food. The other the tasting menu very slow,
first course, second churse, or this is grab and go,
gotta go. I'm at the airport, grab a bag of
nuts and a coffee, and I'm out the door. That's
the way we think. And you've got to ask yourself,
especially those people who are spiritually enlightened, and you're going

(01:54:20):
to ask yourself something. Also, what do you think, irrespective
of your religion, what is and what is not right
or wrong? What is ethical? And by the way, have
you done anything immoral? Have you done something? This is
one of my favorites. This is one of my favorites.
There are people who believe that by virtue of culture,

(01:54:41):
this is the best culture. It will be a start
with the topic is infidelity and men. Friends, I've known,
people have known from every demographic you can imagine. They
will give you the following number one. They'll give you
this notion of man male is uh.

Speaker 6 (01:55:02):
Mhm.

Speaker 1 (01:55:03):
It's it's natural for him for his eyes to wonder,
it's for him to look. But beyond looking, it's it's
it's hardwired. That will give you some kind of a
Margaret meeting about the some lion on the Serengeti or
the Savannah. And you know they'll they'll they'll make some
reference of that, or they'll culture they talk about the

(01:55:26):
you know, the gumara or the gumar which is so
horrible pronunciation, by the way, from the word anyway, forget
the etymology. And you see this Tony soprano, Hey, you
know Wednesday night is for the for the gumare okay?

Speaker 3 (01:55:44):
Fine?

Speaker 1 (01:55:47):
Is that infidelity? Yes, unless it has agreed to you
by the wife. It is not only adultry, but it is.
It is a violation of your vow. You promised. You're cheating.
That's immoral. Well, everybody does it, I mean everybody does it.
Well it's you know, yeah, it catch technically these are

(01:56:07):
but you don't understand. You see in my culture, uh huh,
she's always an explanation. There's always a way around it.
There's always a rayo. What about the uh, you know,
the uh, the the sins of life? What about getting drunk?
What about cursing? What is do you ever do you
have a code of ethics? Do you have something where
you say, I don't do that. I don't do that.

(01:56:29):
I think that's wrong. I will not abide that. We
don't even talk about that. We talk high and mighty
lofty stuff, but we never talk about what really matters,
what really matters when it comes to those particular things,
which we do not because we not because we we

(01:56:50):
have somebody telling us, but because our internal regulators stop
us from doing it. Bill Bill in uh, I don't
know where that is Bill, You're on another side of
Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 11 (01:57:00):
Good morning, Lionel, How you doing good, sir?

Speaker 2 (01:57:04):
Listen?

Speaker 11 (01:57:05):
Sixty eight years ago, I was ten months old and
I was living in Staten Island with my parents and
my older brother who was ten and a half months
older than me, and we were sleigh riding down behind
the apartment building where we lived. There was a steep
hill and my older brother, who's ten and a half

(01:57:25):
months older than me, decided he was going to scare me,
and he jumped off. He was steering the whole time.

Speaker 6 (01:57:31):
I was hanging on to.

Speaker 11 (01:57:32):
The back of the sled. It was a big sled
right and when he jumped off, the sled went at
like a forty five degree angle to the left, and
I threaded the needle through a bunch of trees that
came very close to hitting a tree. And then there
was a bigger problem, a brick apartment building, and I hit.
I went right through a lady's kitchen window at about

(01:57:54):
thirty five miles an hour into her kitchen, over her
stove and landed into the wall of her kitchen, landed
on the kitchen table, and ran right back out the window.
The woman was off to the side. She screamed. My
brother was running down to see what happened, and I
told him, you go get this sled. And then they

(01:58:16):
were picking glass out of my hair and everything else.
But you know what, I could have been killed right then,
if I hit the bricks, or if I hit a
tree or whatever, and had a bunch of other things
like that happened.

Speaker 1 (01:58:32):
Wait wait, wait wait, wa'ts the women dramatic? What's the
moral of the story? Was it? Women? That's an interesting anecdote.

Speaker 11 (01:58:41):
What do we take to the moral of the story
is I've actually lived a great life after that, And
I actually had a eight year running streak in New
York where I ran just over thirty four thousand miles
in eight years, and that's just over thirteen point five
to Please and the Pleasure one and a half times

(01:59:03):
around the world.

Speaker 1 (01:59:04):
Okay, please help me where, please please help me with this.
Where are we going with this? This is interesting? Where
What is the moral of this story?

Speaker 6 (01:59:16):
What does this work?

Speaker 5 (01:59:19):
We're talking.

Speaker 1 (01:59:22):
Wait a minute, we're talking about morality, ethics, conscience, and
you I thought you were going to ask whether your brother,
who risked your life knew what he was doing and
should be held accountable. Thank you for your call, But
that had nothing to do with this. Is it interesting?
I thought this is going to be interesting? So what

(01:59:43):
is this about? Nothing?

Speaker 6 (01:59:46):
Here?

Speaker 1 (01:59:47):
I am culling and gleaning and interpreting. So obviously the
brother didn't mean to do it, but he what if
you heard somebuddy had nothing to do with the story.
The story was just the story more? Can we up
on another side of midnight? I think with Lionel, you know,

(02:00:36):
this sounds like almost like Julian Lennon were his one
big hit interesting eight hundred and eight four eight nine
two to two to eight hundred eight four eight nine
to to two. I'm still getting over that last callers
fascinating Here I am looking through all of this. I said, oh,

(02:00:58):
I know where this is going. This is gonna be interesting.
Is Nope, that wasn't it. That was not it. Let's
go to back of the homes, back of the time
we're talking. I am thrilled by this topic because there's
so many legs to it. Jimmy in Connecticut, the Connecticut,
the Nutmeg State, you're on another side of midnight with Lionel.

(02:01:19):
What's up, Jimmy, Jimmy once, Jimmy twice. Jimmy's gone. How
about somebody by the name of v or the Roman
number five? You're on another side of midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 14 (02:01:36):
And Lionel. This is a question. My sister is in
a group home Farmadale, New York. It's a man haven
called whatever. And she had three hundred thousand dollars in
my parents left for her. This has been in now
she's like sixty eight to sixty nine. I don't know,

(02:01:56):
but she wanted to buy something like a computer and stuff, well,
you know, things with this money.

Speaker 1 (02:02:02):
She's allowed, right, a trust?

Speaker 14 (02:02:06):
Correct, Okay, she does get all right, she does get disability,
you know, because she worked and all that stuff. Now
she goes to look at that trust and there's no
money in it. The other day it's all missing, and
the contrust comes out of Florida, where all the trust
comes for in New York, you know, the United States
of America for some lest people.

Speaker 1 (02:02:30):
So what is your question?

Speaker 14 (02:02:32):
What should I do?

Speaker 1 (02:02:33):
You must you must look and seek legal advice. I
thank you for your goal. Find an expert, somebody who
was involved in this particular area. Find look call bar
Associations anybody, but uh, start immediately. But I but I'm
so sorry for your plight, but we must move on.
Thank you, Edward in Evansville. You're on another side of

(02:02:57):
Midnight with Linel.

Speaker 6 (02:02:58):
Hey all, it's hard to all that bewildering a couple
of guests. I don't know where to start, but I
was bemoaning.

Speaker 1 (02:03:06):
Which bewildering guests are you talking about?

Speaker 6 (02:03:10):
Uh, you're the ones previous to my call.

Speaker 1 (02:03:14):
Why would they why would they be just in shock.

Speaker 6 (02:03:17):
About their what they brought up? You know that the
sled and the okay, the Girl with a Sister. But
I want to talk about media and books in general.
And you know, you don't see anybody reading the book anymore.
It's if you do see one, you say, well, they're
they're under privilege that they're reading the book, that they
don't have a have the media like I do you know?

Speaker 9 (02:03:40):
Or you know what?

Speaker 6 (02:03:41):
And it's like, well, their their information is in a book.
It's so old, it's not up to like do you
remember remember the Top of Mechanics and all those other.

Speaker 1 (02:03:49):
Great do you remember? Maybe you don't, but I remember
on the subway, everybody read a newspaper and you left
the newspaper to be picked up and read by somebody else.
The idea of reading, by the way, and you can read.
I mean, you know articles are online. That's okay as well.
But you're right about this now. I don't know how

(02:04:12):
to fix this. Recently, I was on a flight and
as I'm making my way to the lou I'm looking
at the number of people. I can't believe the number
of people have books, substantial books, not pamphlets or whatever
it is. So it's alive. But I don't know how
to fix this. And I also am afraid that children,
by virtue of the fact that they've been looking at

(02:04:33):
screens for the longest time, are not able to fixate
long enough to understand and to grasp how important it
is to track. So is there any way that we
can fix this, Edward, or what do we do?

Speaker 6 (02:04:46):
I don't know, but I did. I did my part
buying the weekend edition of the Kurran Press, which is
down here in Evansville, printed in Kentucky, because I'm right
on the other side of the Ohio River.

Speaker 1 (02:04:57):
But you're talking about the actual You're talking about paper
you can read on a kindle or on a laptop,
or something like that, that's reading. Are you more interested
in the form of the reading the form of the print?

Speaker 6 (02:05:12):
Well, yes, the form and the format. I have my puzzles,
and of course you really need it's the source. How
many kids know of what the source is? Or you
know to to feed the New York Times puzzle, which
is very difficult at the end of the week. Well,
I'm a jumble, you know in crypto quote, I could
never get cryptograph whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (02:05:31):
What I'm asking you is very simple question. Are you
more interested in if everything that you just said right
now could be accomplished on an iPad or something, doesn't
that count? Or must you talk about the actual hold
it in your hand textured?

Speaker 6 (02:05:46):
Well, that's good to the smell of the paper, but
you can it doesn't run out of power, You don't.
You have your pencil to make notes and fancy artwork.

Speaker 1 (02:05:54):
If you, why is that, assuming it doesn't run out
of power, why does that matter? And why is this
smell of the paper so important to you? I'm so
I want you to make the case why reading can't
occur on a machine or a device. You're still reading it,
You're still having to work the answers What is so
special about holding a book in your hand?

Speaker 6 (02:06:16):
Well, we were talking, you were talking before about the
senses taking over and just the power of Like do
you remember when they used to bring out the test
papers and class and that smell. Something about the smell,
the odor and just a touch, and it's the senses,
the feel of it in your Why is that?

Speaker 1 (02:06:31):
But I'm saying, you're you're merely pointing things out. Why
is this critical? Yes, you're right about that. There's also
cracking the spine of the book, the dog eared pages,
you know, yes, I understand that. Why is that in
and of itself better than reading on a on a machine,
on a kindle or whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 6 (02:06:52):
Why, Well, it feels good. It really does feel good.

Speaker 1 (02:06:55):
Thank you so much. I appreciate that, we appreciate it.
Have a nice dation. Thank you, thank you. I app
thank you very much. We're not getting anywhere with us.
And I tried, on three different occasions explain to me
other than the feeling the smell that takes why is
that a better means of being I guess inculcating or

(02:07:18):
absorbing information? And I did a very bad job trying
to bring that out Doctor Anthony in Queens. You're on
another side of Midnight with Lionel and.

Speaker 2 (02:07:29):
Good morning Lionel, and I just want to tell you
that you are such a class act. Your show is enjoyable,
it's so knowledgeable, and I last every two or three
minutes with you.

Speaker 1 (02:07:39):
Good You're the one.

Speaker 6 (02:07:42):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:07:42):
And I also compliment you on your wife and how
knowledgeable she is. Absolutely, like the fact that she informs
the public about all the horrors.

Speaker 1 (02:07:51):
Out there when it comes absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 2 (02:07:55):
As a public school middle school principal, I was in
a very awkward position. About three weeks ago. A class
family friend called me up and said, can I use
your name as a reference. I'm applying for a very
exclusive public school, I'm sorry, a very exclusive private school
in Manhattan, and I want to put you down as
a reference. So I said, fine, but I cannot attest

(02:08:18):
to the fact of how you perform in a classroom
that I'd never seen you as a classroom teacher. I
commonly say, you came from a good family, and you're
a good, very sinister on her self. Forth, Oh fine,
go ahead, he said to me. Well, three weeks later,
the director of the school calls me and I say,
exactly what I just told you, and he did not

(02:08:39):
get the job because the director wanted to know what
kind of a teacher would he make in this school.
I couldn't attest to that, and I wanted to student.
And now the family's met at me.

Speaker 1 (02:08:52):
Well, what did you do? What you told them that
you would not do that. You told them that you
would only speak within the frame of reference that you
knew him, and they said, okay, do it. You did it,
and now they're upset.

Speaker 2 (02:09:09):
Right now, I'm an enemy for the family that'll talk
to me because he didn't get this exclusive job that
he tried for.

Speaker 1 (02:09:16):
Now you say a job is as a student or
to work as a teacher in the school.

Speaker 2 (02:09:22):
As a teacher, you did the right thing.

Speaker 1 (02:09:26):
Now what you should have done is you should have
had Bill Barr. You should get the Epstein treatment. How
he got the job at Dalton, I'll never understand that one.
I didn't even have a degree, Doctor Anthony. I thank
you so much, sir, have a great, ne glorious day,
Fred in Florida. You're on another side of midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 7 (02:09:45):
Ah, Hi, Lionel, thanks for taking the call.

Speaker 6 (02:09:48):
Thank you, sir.

Speaker 7 (02:09:50):
I got two things. One thing is that gentleman that
called about losing the wallet and.

Speaker 6 (02:09:55):
Had it mailed back to him.

Speaker 7 (02:09:58):
I used to drive a truck and time I was
in New Jersey and I was going to get pack
of cigarettes walking up, I think it was one or
one and nine, I forget and I found a wallet.
When I got back to home to Ohio. I mailed
it back and I don't remember. Did he say what
year that was? I have no idea, probably the late eighties,

(02:10:19):
early nineties or something.

Speaker 1 (02:10:21):
Do you think it could be the same wallet? Do
you think it could be the same.

Speaker 7 (02:10:24):
Well, no, I doubt it, but you know it would
be kind of cool.

Speaker 1 (02:10:28):
Let me ask you to be Fred, Where in Florida
are you? Where in Florida are you?

Speaker 6 (02:10:33):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:10:33):
But that was county Okay? Yeah, and you know that
place has really changed dramatically. How long have you been there?

Speaker 7 (02:10:41):
How long of ninety seven? Okay, moved down there in
ninety seven.

Speaker 1 (02:10:47):
The just look at downtown. I mean it's incredible, how
it's just it's really taken off.

Speaker 6 (02:10:53):
It sure has.

Speaker 1 (02:10:54):
Tampa. Tampa could learn a little bit from the Tampa
still kind of doesn't know what the hellar ones to do.
Years ago. By the way, Saint Pete used to be
called God's Waiting Room. This is when I was a kid.
They had green benches, the green benches. They had a
place called web City. They had that, you know, a mermaid.
I mean, it was really kind of funky. I got

(02:11:16):
to tell you a quick story one time. Do they
still have kids and cubs? They have these old people.
They used to have a it was a softball team,
kids and cubs. The kids were like under ninety five
and cub whatever, like one hundred. They played. They played softball.
They wore white shirts with ties, and it was really something.

(02:11:36):
It was not exactly a fast moving game, but it was.
It was known kind of as the elderly. So one day,
I don't know what the hell we were doing. We
were kind of goofing around and shuffle board was a
big deal. Shuffleboard really is like curling if you think
about it, it's the same principle. So we got I
don't know how we got into it, but we played
a bunch of these old codgers, probably my age now,

(02:11:57):
I have no idea, but we played them in shoffe board.
They were like Michael Jordan of shuffle board. They were
but that that is gone. Saint Pete is just Compit's
changed drastically. It's interesting also when you talk about Florida,

(02:12:19):
they have this impression of what it is. If you
go inland, it's another story. I mean, it's like Alabama.
You could there are so many parts of the country.
Have ever been to o'calla. It looks like Kentucky with
the rolling you know, the Horst Country and the Panhandle.

Speaker 7 (02:12:37):
Not so much anymore. You go out to Fort Mead
on the way out there. Used to go out there
quite a bit old rock and uh. There are complete
new towns, new public's new uh area. They're building all
over the place down there, Yeah, and putting up what
the solar farms. Oh, that's all over the place. I

(02:12:59):
mean it. You can't get around anymore. It's there's so
much traffic.

Speaker 1 (02:13:03):
That's terrible.

Speaker 3 (02:13:04):
Fred.

Speaker 1 (02:13:04):
I wish you the best, my friend.

Speaker 6 (02:13:06):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 7 (02:13:08):
You know what progress you know.

Speaker 1 (02:13:10):
That is correct. I appreciate your time, my friend, Thank
you so much. Have a very good day. Eight hundred
and eight four eight nine to two. I gotta tell
you something which is still going back to the to
the notion of all this and this goes back. I
think this is even this is even more important. Ask yourself.
I want you to start off with a blank slate.

(02:13:32):
All right, tabula rasa. What is your politics? Now? Ask
yourself visa VI your morality. Now, let's let's just presume
or assume for this particular exercise, there are no parties.
What do you believe in? Don't use anything like Reaganomics.

(02:13:53):
Start from scratch. Tell me each individual thing that you
be leave in, each individual idea topic, as though there
were no other parties. Because once we get rid of parties,
well if we really had to pick people and say,

(02:14:15):
you know, I like what he says about this, this
and this, and not say well he's a Democrat or
a Republican that does one of the work. You know,
politics and morality is, as far as I'm concerned, are
inter mingled like you can't believe. And recently Tucker Carlson
and others were advocating the notion of a third party

(02:14:35):
because they say the Republican Party. And I'm not making
the point, but they're saying, have a band in America first,
and what have you? And you know like MDG and
Massey and you know, Kent and others as well, and
always said, I don't really want a third party. I
want a second party because I think they're very frankly,
the left right paradigm is another story. But if you

(02:14:56):
talk about this, if you took things like for example, war,
war taxes, you know, the usual stuff. But if you
get into the notion of issues that have a moral
bent to it. For example, I talked to somebody one day.
We're talking about just the notion of proliferation of this transgenderism,

(02:15:21):
and somebody suggested it was immoral, and I suggest I said,
I don't think it's immoral. I don't think there's any morality.
I think children is a different story. When you force
children or put children into a position where they have
to listen to drag shows and you see some de
Snyder looking monster or somebody looks like like divine and
not Andy divine, you know, I think kids are out

(02:15:45):
of the equation. But I said, you believe there's something
wrong when they go oh yes, I said, well why
is it immoral?

Speaker 4 (02:15:51):
Why?

Speaker 1 (02:15:52):
Well, they're dressing up, well, so what it's clothing. Yeah,
but they're saying they're a woman, Well what if they are?
What if you believe this? And I said, what about
the person's free speech rights? Remember just to say these things.
Then we got into the idea of homosexuality. We don't
even say that anymore. And now was lgbtqia. I heard

(02:16:14):
somebody what do you call a lactose intolerant, a lesbian,
non bindairy, all these terrible puns. Anyway, so we were
talking about this and I said, well, do you think
homosexuality they used to be called, is in moral? I
said no, absolutely not if it's consensual with adults, I mean,
and even if kids are a homoicur no, nothing wrong

(02:16:38):
with that. He looked at me and he said, well,
you know, my I'm religious. Oh well, your religion is
a different story. You asked me whether I thought it was.
The answer is no, of course not. I said, well,
let me ask you a question. What do you think
about the death penalty? And then we got into that.
Now I've got a friend of mine who's a wonderful person.
He is an evangelical preacher the life, which I mean

(02:17:00):
he is. He is so legit it's not even funny.
And he was going on and on about how God
would want Tyler Robinson, the alleged and I think the Patsy,
but the alleged killer of Charlie Kirk. He says he
should get the death penalty immediately, almost in a blood loss.
I said, well, I think that's immoral, and I don't

(02:17:21):
think God would be for that. Then we got into
that argument. I said, you mean to tell me God
wants you to kill people. God wants you, God advocates
a death penalty. God and Jesus. You know, Jesus knows
a little bit about the death penalty because after all,
he received it and he was guilty because after all,

(02:17:42):
he was the son of God. And I said, where
do you get your morality from? I can't figure it out.
How do you define what is or is an immoral
And the first thing you're to actually ask yourself is this.
There are things in the world that are divided up
into two and this is a kind of illegal Maxim
mallim prohibit them, and mallum in say wrong because we

(02:18:08):
say it's wrong. Malin prohibit. I'm like, you know, running
a stop sign or fellow at your taxes and then
malam and say a rape, murder, that sort of thing.
Now you gotta ask yourself what is the harm in something?
Drug abuse, how about drinking, begetting drunk, not drunk driving?

(02:18:32):
Tell me what is immoral? Tell me what is immoral?
And we got into it and after a while he
couldn't he couldn't define it. I said, but that is
something that you decide case by case. So then he suggested, well,
maybe the reason, maybe what morality is is if my
internal alarm goes off. I said, well, what if you

(02:18:53):
don't have an alarm? What if you're a psychopath? Psychopath?
There's no idea of any kind of ethical or moral guilt.
What's the big deal? What are we talking about? And
at the end of this discourse, I realized he had
no idea what he was talking about. He had no
idea what he was talking about morality. I'm going to

(02:19:15):
tell you something and you're not. You might not like this,
but believe it or not, I'll bet you that for
much of your life you've not done anything immoral. You
might have made a mistake, you might have been stupid,
you might have been maybe sloppy, but immoral where you

(02:19:36):
violated some credo, some rule. Absolutely not. How going eve
been a step further? And this is I don't want
to step. When he toes most of you have never sinned,
I mean sinned, actually done something knowing this was against
the Holy Word or whatever it was, and you went
ahead and you did it knowing as opposed to ma

(02:20:00):
making a mistake, an error. Intentional acts versus negligence, big
big difference. And as you think about this and then
you start to dissect stuff, you then have to ask people, okay,
are there any absolutes? Yes, malam, and say things that
are wrong in and of them, you know, murder, rape,

(02:20:21):
whatever it is. Now the issue is, most importantly what
about this situational ethics? This fascinates me, and the reason
why it fascinates me is this. We need classes. We
need to teach people and to discuss not so much
the rules of ethics, but we need to be able

(02:20:42):
to sit and explain to people here's what we think,
this is, what we think is this is it. Let
me give you an example. Do you believe in most
people believe that there is a lawyer client privilege? And
the lawyer client privilege means that if you tell a

(02:21:03):
lawyer something as you're trying to seek legal help or assistance,
and you say something with a reasonable degree of a
reasonable expectation of privacy. You tell a lawyer something, not
at a party now where anybody can hear. Blah blah blah. Okay,
makes sense, because how could you go to a lawyer,

(02:21:24):
use a lawyer or a priest. We have we have
a privilege called the clergyman penitent privilege. We have other
privileges well, husband and wife, which is very difficult. But anyway,
so people say, yes, that makes sense. So it makes sense.
You have to be able to trust your lawyer, and
your lawyer cannot be made or made or compelled to
give evidence against you or else we would have no

(02:21:46):
legal system. Correct, correct? Good? What about the following A
person comes to you, you're a lawyer, and says, I've
got I want to tell you something. Now I can
tell you in confidence. Yes you can. You know that
guy who's on death row that they're gonna are they're

(02:22:08):
going to execute tomorrow. You know that guy? Yeah, well
I killed him. I killed the guy. I'm the murderer.
They got the wrong guy on death row and they're
gonna kill him tomorrow. And I know this, and now
you know this, and you don't tell anybody. Is that immoral?

(02:22:31):
I'll ask yourself that question. How could it be immorl
First of all, if there is a rule that we
all agree to make sense. The same thing is if
you go to a priest, I guess a rabbi. But
if you go to a priest and you tell a confession,
and if you walked in you to a blessed me, father,
I have sinned. These are these are my sins. I'm
a serial killer and I've killed the thirty five people

(02:22:54):
and I'm currently And it's hard to say whether he's
on the land because the rule is if somebody is
about to do something or is continuing to do something,
and one could argue that being on the lamb is
continuing to do whatever the crime is. So let me
ask you something, God, what do you think? Is this

(02:23:15):
against the law? Is this against morality? There's something in
law also called misprision of felony. Misprision is where you
don't report something. Let's say you look out the window
when somebody's breaking into your neighbor's house. You don't call
the cops. Is that immoral? Not against the law. You
don't have to. There are very few cases in the

(02:23:36):
law where you have to report something, and there's one
of these. There's a reporter category. For example, if your
case of sexual abuse and you're a teacher, or you're
a nurse, or you come into contact or coming to
information regarding let's say a child that's being injured or abused.
That's a different story. But do you have to do this?
The answer is no. Now what would God say, Garbert say,

(02:24:00):
you didn't pick up the phone and call. No, you
didn't stop them? No, why I don't want to get involved,
don't want to get involved, don't want to get my
name of the police report, don't want to get involved
with this. Yes, but you so tell me what is
and what is not immoral. Let me ask you this.
You believe the Vietnam War is wrong, or you believe

(02:24:21):
in particular war is wrong, and you're drafted or your
order to go, Can you go and avail yourself and
abide by the rules of engagement killing innocent people because
you believe they're innocent. You're there and it's immoral, and
your government says, no, you've got to do this. I
don't want to bring up an ekman, you know, But

(02:24:41):
I'm only doing my job. But we've heard this before.
You see, it's a very difficult thing. The idea of
moralities are very tough. It's exceedingly tough in a lot
of cases. And if you want to go to if
you want to be a politician, you can completely forget
morality because on a day the basis you were going

(02:25:04):
to have to double cross and change and lie. You
are going to prevaricate, you are going to massage the truth.
You're going to be duplicitous. You're going to have to
do it. You're going to have to change your mind
on a dime. Change your mind also called lie. So
here's my point. If you think everything is easy, you're

(02:25:30):
not paying attention. And what I just told you does
that bother you. I love the uncertainty. I love it.
I don't like black and white. I like gray. In fact,
I have a new thing called Maga make American gray again.
I want gray areas. I want people to say, yeah,
it's interesting. There's an old joke we used to say

(02:25:50):
that whenever you're at a party or somebody asks a
lawyer a question, and they'll they'll always like sometimes they'll
call them and say, well, what do you think you
should do? Like the woman had called up about her
sister's trust fund that was Pilford. The answer is, see
a lawyer talk to somebody. But it makes sense as
opposed to going through the specifics, because that would, by

(02:26:13):
the way, that that would have been very difficult for
a show like this to go through the facts and
what happened, and plus that's not what we're talking about
in any event. So there's a thing that we do
sometimes when everybody asks a question, a legal question, we
always say the answer is it depends. And that's the
answer to most of life. It depends. What does that mean?

(02:26:34):
I hate to break up this topic, but abortion fascinates me.
I like when they say, well, okay, abortion is wrong
except for the health of the mother. Okay, maybe why
does the mother win over the child? I mean, I
you've ever heard about a mother giving her life for

(02:26:57):
the child? And I'm not saying I agree with this,
But when you ask people that question, we all have
heard this. Abortion only should be allowed where it is
to prevent or to help or to save the life
of the mother. But that's what parents do, to give
their life for the child. What about this is the
cape of rape? In the case of rape or incest.

(02:27:18):
Do you know anybody walking around today who was the
victim of rapist. If you ask them, do you think
you should have been aborted? There was a No, an incest.
That might be a problem, because that's you might get
a recessive gene. You might get you know, a problem
might that awful inbred family that you've seen before. Anyway,
the point is, what kind of an exception is that? If?

(02:27:41):
If you believe that human life is human life, why
did you carve out an exception? What does that mean? Well,
unless a person stupid? Wait a minute, what so do
you or do you not believe in the sanctity of
human life? Well, no, you don't because you give me conditions.
What about war? What about capital punishment? What about Well
that's different. And I've already carved out about five different

(02:28:03):
exceptions to this rule of yours about the sanctity of
human life. You see, what we do. We love to
think that we know things. We love to believe that
there is an absolute and for the most part of it,
and most of us go through our lives where we've
never had to decide the life or death of somebody,
or to participate in an abortion. So a lot of

(02:28:26):
this is academic. But what I'm saying to you is
since you were a human being, and maybe AI can't
do this. There is a gray area, and there are nuances,
and there are situations that require your judgment and your
morality and your compassion and your ethics versus a black

(02:28:46):
and white right or wrong. This is another side of
midnight with lineata.

Speaker 6 (02:30:54):
Of course.

Speaker 1 (02:30:57):
Of coursa. I'm lining up with you and I can't
even speak on another side of midnight? Is mister Ricconnell dead?
I know that's a tough question. But is he or
is he not dead?

Speaker 6 (02:31:13):
Where is he?

Speaker 1 (02:31:14):
Show us him? What's going on here? Is he or
is he not dead? I don't know that this is
This is one of the strangest things ever, you know,
Scott Jennings from seeing n to see him, he is like,
well I talked to him, you did, Oh yeah, we
had a good time. Uh huh? And is he is
he dead?

Speaker 4 (02:31:32):
No?

Speaker 1 (02:31:33):
I talked to him. Are you sure about that?

Speaker 14 (02:31:35):
Well?

Speaker 1 (02:31:35):
What do you say?

Speaker 6 (02:31:36):
Oh? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:31:39):
Do you know that if somebody if something, because the
idea is that after August or whatever it is you're
trying to extend us that there's no special election, But
if somebody is lying about somebody be dead do you
not think that that's immoral?

Speaker 6 (02:31:58):
Do you?

Speaker 1 (02:31:58):
I mean, seriously, something is simple as is it or
is it not?

Speaker 5 (02:32:03):
Debt?

Speaker 1 (02:32:05):
See, this is the most important, This is the most
important thing. And I don't understand this. See, I couldn't
be a politician. I couldn't do it. I could not
do it. I would vote against virtually, if not every
single war. Everything we don't need it, don't need to

(02:32:27):
do it. Nope, war is amputation, absolutely not. This would
not go over well with a lot of people. I
would also have to do it. There were certain things
that I just would not. I don't think government should
be even involved in the things. Here's another one too.

(02:32:47):
This is when the Constitution sometimes overrides morality or common sense.
The Constitution does not guarantee abortion does not. Never did
the Constitution. The Supreme Courts that it did, but the
Constitution never did ever. And what happened was years ago

(02:33:11):
in nineteen sixty five, there was a case called Griswold
against Connecticut, and it was William O. Douglas who wrote it.
This was the law that nobody could purchase contraception in Connecticut,
even married people. It was a stupid law, it was crazy.
It was a It was at the behest of the
Knights of Columbus. It was kind of a titular theoretical,

(02:33:32):
kind of a pretend law. It wasn't real, but in
any event, so in nineteen sixty five, when this wall
came up, William Douglas came up with this idea called privacy,
and he created this fiction called privacy, pulled it out
of the well, whatever orifice you like, but pulled it

(02:33:54):
out of the air. And he talked about the p
number of between I'm not going to go into this
weird but he created this thing called privacy, he says,
and I think this law is unconstitutional because if at
least provaby, oh privacy, okay, nineteen seventy three, row against
Wade and they use this stupid fiction called privacy again
created it created a constitutional right based on privacy which

(02:34:19):
did not exist and does not exist in the Constitution. Now,
whether you believe it or not, I happen to be
what most people will call pro choice because I don't
want a woman imprisoned or jailed for having an abortion.
Even though I'm against abortion, I don't like abortion. I

(02:34:39):
think we should spend more money, obviously on an adoption.
I do not want to live in a country where
we're going to be jailing women who have an abortion
or want to have an abortion. Sorry, it's stupid, it
doesn't work. I know you can be apodictic. Take a
long story short. I am against a constitutional right because
of what the Constitution says, and the Constitution has nothing

(02:34:59):
to do this notion of this thing called morality. Does
that make sense to you? It should. Let me stop
and say right now to Ian and mister Billy, you
were absolutely superb. This young man, Ian is so good.
He wanted to actually give out his home number for
all those people who wanted to talk to him over

(02:35:20):
the week. I said, no, no, no, don't do that. He goes, no, no,
I want to be applised. No, no, please. I appreciate how
you want to help, but that's not a good idea.
I kept kidding you for it. So Bill Andie and
thank you so very much. Thank you, my dear friends
for listening. We will see you next week. Let me
remind you can find me on YouTube at Linel Nation
and on x at Linel Media. I told then, my

(02:35:44):
dear friends again, thank you, and the following words the Valedictory,
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