Another Side of Midnight With Lionel - Child Safety + Protection From Big Tech Lobbyist on a Rise and AI Take Over Books!!!

On This Episode of Another Side of Midnight, Lionel Discusses Beside the Recent News Around  Dr. Anthony Fauci’s Congressional Testimony. The Dangers of Big Tech and Its Influence on Children, Highlighting a Lobbying Effort in Washington to Resist Safety Regulations in a Upcoming Act. And How AI Are Killing off Hard Copies of Books. Plus More to Come!!!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
I know, I know nine no line, I know my line,
I know my long, I know I know.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
I need already line up with you. And this is
another side of midnight eight hundred four eight nine to two.
That is your ignition switch to enter this world, this realm,
this thing that we do. I hope you're enjoying your day.
This is the first day of August, and what are

(00:49):
you gonna do? I mean, I like when people make
this profile and today this is the first day of August. Yes, okay,
already that's true. Yep, can't get around that. Yes, that's
why people in radio sometimes make things this is the
last Friday of the month. All right, fair enough, but
it sounds great. We always make things sound propitious and

(01:14):
portentious and oh my god, my friends, we have so
much to discuss tonight. Get ready for this, I mean
we I hope you are ready because I'm gonna make
you think. I don't want you to react. I want
you to think. The greatest, the greatest reaction, the greatest

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thing I could ever ever get, call or elicit from
you is hmmm. And if you want to make me
absolutely ecstatic say, I never thought of that, Thank you.
I never thought of that. How interesting versus reacting react

(02:00):
thing is easy. That's just yelling and screaming and bleeding
and howling the usual. I am so over that. I
am so over there. Maybe it's my decrepitude. I've just
there was a time in my life when it was
fun to just react. Just I want to be calm.
I want to think about what happens. This is Warrior

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a weekend, and of course Lynn Shaw, my beloved, will
be with us act the twenty Years one or two
market to just talk talk about what is going on
in the world of what you would think, what I
would think would be this, this overwhelming move to protect children,
to protect children to I mean, I thought, I imagine

(02:43):
it was just a universal thing. We'll talk about that. Also,
the latest regarding AI in some some new some new aspects,
some new takes on that. And also there's there's so
many other, so many other things as it were, that
I find fascinating. The uh, I guess the first thing

(03:05):
I want to talk about is what happened this week.
This week Anthony Fauci appeared and he was absolutely upbraided.
He was just excoriated. It was beautiful, wasn't it? Absolutely
just just it was beautiful, beautiful, It was glorious. He

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was upbraided up, one side down the other, castigated, execrated,
you name it, whatever you wanna call it. And all
of these brave folks came out of the woodwork. Oh
they were so brave. You did this. And the deaths
of the mRNA and the masks. You were responsible for that,

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and China and Wuhan and the Wu flu and a
couple of words on first. One of my favorites is
all the people who came out and said, you know,
he was a good man. He was a good man?

Speaker 4 (04:09):
Was he a good man?

Speaker 3 (04:10):
He's a hack. It's not his fault. He's not in
charge of this. He just follows orders. This week, who
it was, Chris Cuomo, Fredo was on it, and a
lot of the Hollywood types they loved him. They loved him.
You knew where that money was coming, you knew who
was paid off. Then you know, oh, yes, is USA alive?

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And well, I don't know about that. But what you
think about him is one thing. But the first is
you can't blame him. He was doing his job, following orders.
He didn't come up with us. He didn't create this.
And to be very very fair, because that's what we would,
you know, sometimes being fair, it's just a simple thing

(04:55):
about Oh, I don't know what the story is. I
don't know what the word is. But but to be fair,
at the time, people were freaked out. You remember that,
I do. We didn't know anything. We didn't know anything. Again,

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forget what we learned. We didn't know anything. And during
that time there were some folks that I thought, you know,
I don't think you're really getting the point here. First,
out of the blue came these people who said, I'm
against vaccines. They were totally the consummate anti vaxer. Bobby

(05:40):
Kennedy Junior, I think unfairly was called an anti vaxer.
It was one particular type or series of vaccines that
he was incredulous over. But if I recall correctly, he
recommended to his children, I believe that they be vaccinated.
I think I might be misquoting him. A lot of
folks who were who had a problem with mRNA and

(06:02):
different things, in no way rejected the notion of immunization.
Immunology vaccines work. What's in the vaccine made it a
different story. Hypodermic needles work. What's in the hypodermic needle
is another story. My wife and I at the time

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we were wondering, what's going to happen with this? Are
people going to keel over in the street? Is this
the Spanish influenza? Again? No, I'm able to look back
and to say yes, this was absolutely, positively from the
highest orders, the biggest scam ever. This was a money

(06:46):
grab the likes of which you cannot believe, Bud. It
was not complete fiction. Was it exaggerated? Certainly were other
methods of true. I've met in a hydroxychloroquin where those rejected. Absolutely.
Was free speech destroyed? Absolutely? But then there were other stories.

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I have a friend of mine I will never ever
reveal his name. He was a physician and a local,
very large hospital, and during COVID there was a code
they used over the loud speakers. I forget whatever the
code was. It wasn't you know, code blue. You know,
it wasn't the usual alarm sound. It was something innocuous.

(07:33):
Who knows what it was. Remember years ago in department storage,
you hear the boom. We have these little chimes or
these little notes, whatever these sounds, they were supposedly signaling
certain people. In any event, my friend, the physician, while
he was doing his rounds kept hearing these these this

(07:55):
code every time somebody expired. He said he couldn't believe
it because there were a slew of people, because the
first iteration of it was a barn burner. It was turbocharge,
you bet, And if you had comorbidities, if you were
if you were older, if you had something, it hits
you hard. We know people who absolutely almost died and

(08:20):
it was not because of anything else. It was because
of the star's COVID too.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Whether it was turbo charge, whether it was gain of function,
whatever it was. If you think for a moment that
all of it was all fictional, you're crazy. But not
all of it was lethal. Did everybody need a ventilator?
Absolutely not. There were people who were forever hurt, harmed,
if not killed by that. So it's a balancing act.

(08:46):
It's a balancing act, you know. F Scott Fitzgerald said,
in a paraphrase, perhaps poorly, that the sign of a
great mind, the sign of a great intellect, is to
be able to handle two complete or more two different
seemingly inconsistent thoughts, inconsistent concepts, and balance them simultaneously to

(09:10):
be able to say, yes, this, but this, Yes it
was serious, but it was abused. Yes, people died, but
many people it was a scam. Yes people, it's a
little bit of everything. I hope we learned something. And
I love these brave senators. Oh excoriating them. By the way,
Ran Paul is probably the most consistent. Just just lettings

(09:33):
fauci have it, letting him have it now while the
coast is clear? Where were you before? Where were you before?

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (09:45):
But I also found it. What I found most interesting
is I always loved the idea of the human behavior.
I think I went back. I think I told you
this in case I have not. I've always been interested
in crowd behavior. That's what we do, That's what everybody has.
That's what all media is about. Media is trying to
figure out what does the crowd say? What do people think?

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What's the collective reaction from your audience? And if you've
ever seen starlings, those beautiful bird patterns, have you ever
seen them move through the sky, these wonderful swaths and
movements and spins. Oh, they're glorious. They're glorious back and

(10:27):
forth and they're just wonderful. That's called a murmuration. And
all of those birds fly in a formation, and they
never lose the formation, and it's one of the greatest
things ever. And Gustave Lebon, the father of crowd psychology,
explains to various things that happened to people when you're

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in a crowd. It's a wonderful thing about him being
a human being. Sometimes we enjoy singularity. Sometimes we enjoy
not singularity in the kurzwild Ai sense, but being alone,
being an individual. We don't want to be a part
of anything. And then we love being a part of groups.
Look at the mania after the Knicks one the championship.

(11:11):
People loved to be a part of this group. They
were Nicks fans and they love to show their allegiance
by shirts. And so sometimes we love individuality, sometimes we don't.
But what I found interesting was that how some of
us just succumbed to wearing the mask standing six feet
apart on a sticker on an adhesive sticker, as though

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the COVID virus only goes six feet. I remember one
time my wife and I we were in a store,
and you could only go walk down an aisle in
one particular direction versus another. I remember one time this

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woman was incensed. I was walking down. I said, O,
I forgot something, turned around and walked against the grain,
and he goes keep going straight. I said, do you
really think that the stars COVID two virus knows which
direction I'm going? Come on, lady, and people act crazy?
Remember the plastic the plastic screens when you went to

(12:17):
check out and you would eventually say what and they
couldn't hear you, so you would put your head around these.
I mean, CVS sold a CBS sold a what was
it a a key. It looked like a divot cleaner
for a golf shoe or something. It was incredible, And

(12:39):
this is what they suggested you use for elevators. I
mean it was nuts to smell. Excuse me. The mask.
I was with a friend of mine. I said, hey,
do you smell that? He said yeah. I said, the
mask doesn't work. I said, if you think that the
molecule of fume scent is smaller or larger or whatever

(13:06):
than a virus, you're you're kidding me. The reason why
doctors wear masks in hospitals during surgery so it won't
spit into the open wound, and then the masks. People still,
people still, And I don't want to go into demographics
or ethnicities, all that you fill in the blanks, but
people I still see walking around with their face diapers

(13:29):
underneath their nose or or or or underneath their chin.
What is the purpose of this? He became apparently, I guess, uh,
used to this. Maybe it was a security blanket. I

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still see a lot. Remember, for years I saw a
lot of our Chinese brothers and scissors walking around with
a mask. And they told me, well, that's because they're
used to, you know, air pollution. I said, uh huh.
Later on, I said, you know, I wonder if they
know something we don't know. But it turns out that
the mask did nothing, and everybody up to an including

(14:14):
found she knew it. So was he a rapscallion yes?
Is he a sniveling weasel? Yes? But is he the
only one?

Speaker 6 (14:22):
No?

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Were we mindless stoops?

Speaker 7 (14:25):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Was it our fault? Not really? It's a balance. It's
a balance. Well let me leave you with this. Remember
one thing, everything that we did, then we will do again.
The moment they say it's back, and there will be
people who will be so happy to pull that old
mask out because they were never happier when they were

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living in a state of dread. Coming up, it is
weekend Warrior with my beloved Linen Shaw to find you up,
to bring you up to speed with what happened this
week that will curl your hair and melt your but
and I have no idea what that means. Eight eight nine.
This is another side of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 8 (15:08):
The other side of midnight with Linel entertaining and informative
on the Red Apple podcast Network.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
Sure Holboddy, Lionel would do.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
This is another side of midnight and this is Warrior Weekend.
That's right, Warrior Weekend with Lynshaw from Lynzwarriors dot Org,
Lin's Warriors on YouTube and Lynn's Underscore Warriors on X
Full disclosure, She is my beloved wife. If I can
want the whole world to know this today's topic, This

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should absolutely rattle your cage. Big tech spends millions lobbying Washington,
But who's speaking for America's children now? A new report
from the nonpartisan organization Issue One found that major technology,
social media, and artificial intelligence companies ready for this, along

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with their trade association, spent more than forty one point
eight million dollars lobbying Washington during the first six months
of twenty twenty six, more than two hundred and thirty
thousand dollars every single day, and if you ask me,
it's more than that. As Congress debates online safety, AI
regulations and the future of our children, many Americans are

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asking a very simple question. Who has the louder voice
in Washington big tech for America's families. Joining me right
now to the microphones is our guest, our expert, my wife,
Lynshaw from Lynn's Warriors. My darling, welcome back to the show.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
That Never rands.

Speaker 9 (17:01):
Thank you, my beloved husband. I want to start with though,
thanking you always for showcasing on your show these critical
and crucial issues that all of our warriors out there
need to know about. And also, let me throw in
the cat's roundtable every Sunday, John kasmetids welcomes and WABC
supports our work and that means more because this is

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noticed in Washington, d C. Where we do a bull
But you.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Know, I'm glad you say that just for a second,
not to wax sycophantic. I'm not accusing anybody of doing that,
mind you, but sometimes when you hear people extol the
virtues of ownership, people saying, oh God, here we go again.
Of course he's got to say this, I'm telling you
right now, unabashedly, unequivocally and without any hesitation whatsoever. And

(17:47):
I've seen this. He has been absolutely steadfast regarding this.
He got it immediately, and then have to explain it
to him. He knew it, Margot, his wife, and also
all of the management and staff of WABC, our local mothership,
without hesitation. And I'll tell you why that's so. You
would think that's a no brainer, but you know, as

(18:08):
you know, my darling, many people have a hard time
acknowledging and expressing the realities before us because it's such
a terrible subject. But please forgive me for interrupting you proceed, dear.

Speaker 9 (18:18):
No, I'm glad you said that, because you know me,
I would not say anything. I am humbled and honored
by the support given by the Casmetides family and WABC
for these issues, which, as you pointed out, yes, most
people do not want to discuss it, hear about it.
It's ugly it's dark a lot of this and they
just rather would close their eyes, close their ears, you know,

(18:39):
they don't want to know. They want to know if
something happens to one of their kids or grandkids, or
something happens, you know, within the family. But how do
we best protect our children. We intervene, we educate, We
use our platforms, our voices to get the information out there.
So I am beyond thankful, and you know me well enough.
I wouldn't say any of this if it is not true,

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because I only speak truth, Okay, But what I want
to start with is some very important news that just
happened within hours, okay, coming out of Washington, d C.
Coming up this Wednesday, August fifth, it may be the
most critical and crucial consequential day on Capitol Hill for
child safety legislation ever we've got. Let me reave you

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a little bit, Senator Ted Cruz, Chairman of the Senate
Commerce Committee, and ranking Member Maria Cantwell. They have the opportunity,
there will be what is called a markup on Capitol Hill,
the opportunity to restore what I talk about day and night,
which is our Bipartisan Kids Online Safety Act Senate version
This is very important seventeen forty eight. They will be

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voting on that, marking on that, and destroy what the
House sent back to the Senate to vote on. I know, everybody,
this could be perhaps a little born, but you have
to understand this is our process in Washington about the voting,
and it's going back and forth, and the House took
our version and basically gutted it. I like say, they
created toilet paper, and now it's got a chance to
be restored. It's going back to the House to be

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marked up and voted on before it goes to the
President's desk to be signed into law, into legislation. And
the three little important words that have been put back
in in the last few hours duty of care. Now, Lionel,
you've heard me talk about this relentlessly. Those three words mean,
you know, big tech, they're putting out a product. They
should put something out with a duty of care that

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it is a product that is, to the best of
their ability safe. It's a safe product. Okay, So this
is all really great news. It's going back Wednesday, August fifth,
ten am, markup and running Intomorrow's Sunday New York Post
will be a full page ad sponsored by WABC radio

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with all the phone numbers of the committee members, the
Senate Commerce Committee members. Okay, and we need all of
you warriors out there to call all these offices and
just register. Please vote Kids Online Safety Extended Version seventeen
forty eight. And that will be the full page ad
sponsored by WABC radio. And I'm thankful for that because
again Washington notices. I of course show that to everybody.

(21:11):
We know our President looks at the New York Post.
But this is all good news. I wanted to start
with that good good news, voting for Kids Online Safety.
We have a real headway here to make some a
piece of law finally holding big tech somewhat accountable for
all these harms they've been causing over the last thirty
years since they were born. But let's get to this.

(21:34):
I mean lobbying, Lionel, Can you believe the money is
spent every single day on Capitol Hill?

Speaker 3 (21:39):
I think this is an understatement. I a greater agreater.

Speaker 9 (21:43):
I do too, because listen, lobbying on Capitol Hill is
part of our democratic process. So we're not complaining about
lobbying that's always been done, right, But right now, I
think this is the top lobbying where we are told
a lot of this money with big tech is dark.
I'm saying this, okay. So when they say two hundred
and thirty thousand dollars plus every day, I agree with you.

(22:06):
I think it's higher, okay. And they will do anything
to stop child safety legislation. And you might say, like, well,
does what is that? Why would they spend all this money.
First of all, obviously they know they're in trouble, believe
or not, because the American public is rejecting all of
this AI. A recent survey says eighty two percent of

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the American public. Remember numbers are always higher. This is
what you know about. They don't want AI. They're rejecting it.
They don't want it in the classroom. So there's an
uphill battle for big tech. Also, the government is somewhat
The states, especially right now, have created some great legislation
to keep kids safe online, much better than the federal government.
So they see the writing on the wall like this

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can't sustain this whole model. So they're spending millions fighting
this and fighting every single day. Now we're told that
there is one lobbyist for every six members of Congress,
I've been told by great sources of mine on Capitol Hill.
Now it's really one in four because they understand that
if this goes into law, they are going to be

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you know, start to be held accountable. And we already
see there are thousands of lawsuits pending. You don't really
see it in the media against big Tech and the
harms caused to kids. And they're scared. That's what I'm saying,
because look at these lawsuits that would I don't even
I'm you're a lawyer. I don't even know how they
would pay out. Everybody would be suing big Tech for harms.
Cause so parents have children to protect. Organizations like ours

(23:35):
Lyn's Warriors we exist to bring these topics out into
the public to ensure the voices of children and families
aren't drowned out by this powerful corporate influence. Remember they
have millions and millions trillions of dollars. We don't have
that at the Warriors. But we have truth on our side.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
Now.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
The thing is the most important, the issue of this
And again we don't want to get I like when
people say we don't get caught it up in the weeds, Well,
the weeds are what make things a lot. Well, but
you know, well.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
People don't mind.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
People don't mind the weeds about FIFA or about the
Knicks or anything else. You know, some some weeds they love.
If not smoking, it's a different story. Now. Some people
say that Washington works, that Washington especially when you well,
the first time people have been to Washington, if you haven't,
you see, of course the Capitol and you see the
Washington mondumenting. Oh, this is wonderful. This is the bedrock,

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this is the this is the cradle, the crucible of governance. Nonsense.
Is lobbying itself really the problem? Or is it because
that the people and the people who are are representatives
are bought and sold or lazy because they got to
tell you something. We're not going into ancillary issues. There's

(24:52):
a lot of talk about certain lobbying groups being powerful
and how certain lobbying groups have have let's say, taken over.
There was no bigger lobbying group than that, a big
tech So what is it? Is it Washington lethargy or
is it because of this metastasis, this cancer called lobbying?
What is the problem.

Speaker 9 (25:11):
Well, it's all of the above that you just mentioned,
and I think, look, people love, power and money. Let's
face it, right now, the money from big tech is
all over Capitol Hill infiltrating not only our senators, you know,
our congress people, legislative staff. It's all over the place.

Speaker 10 (25:30):
Okay.

Speaker 9 (25:31):
And frankly, listen, our president at the inauguration, he had
them sitting behind him, the big tech CEOs, you know,
some of them with their spouses. Right when members of
Congress were told, remember the inauguration was brought inside, it
was not done outside, and they were told, well, you're not.
Members of Congress were told like, you're not allowed to
bring your spouses. Like it's one because it was done inside.

Speaker 5 (25:53):
That's it.

Speaker 9 (25:54):
You can come, but that's it. But then you know,
when I turned on the TV, I saw, you know,
Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez sitting there, and so Mark
Zuckerberg and is White sitting there. They were allowed to
bring their spouses. And then we fast forward to seeing
the President and First Lady having a dinner at the
White House with all the big tech CEOs. Okay, the

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advisors in the White House right now to the president
on big tech. Okay, our Silicon Valley kings, we'll call them, Okay,
that's who's advising the president. However, with our work at
the Warriors and others, we have had breakthroughs. We have
always demanded and urged the president have parents, American parents

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at the table with all of this big tech talk
before you put AI in the classrooms at that table,
have the parents, have the kids, have the educators. And
again this past week there is talk of American Family
Policy Council Caucus in the House at the White House.
So we're making tremendous breakthroughs. That's what I'm talking about.
That's why what I do on WABS is so important

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because it is being heard. Okay, we're not doing this alone.
There are other groups and organizations. We work with, tremendous
coalition across the United States behind the scenes, working on
all of this every day of the week. So the
problem right now I'm going to say is the Internet,
big tech has just infiltrateed. It's the money and the power.
And again you point out lethargy, and I was quite

(27:22):
surprised when I arrived in Washington several years ago. I
naively really thought, you know, these people representing us, they
know the issues, they know how to vote. And then
I learned, No, they don't. They're overwhelmed, I'm told, or
they have to vote on so many different things that
you know, their staff will tell them while they're walking
down the hallway to the vote how to vote. Now,
I'm not saying this is everybody, but I could not believe.

(27:45):
And then when I would question and say, all I
thought they knew the issues or while they can't study
one hundred pages overnight or they can't, well, frankly, I
say to them, why be in office?

Speaker 5 (27:53):
But that's me.

Speaker 9 (27:54):
I mean, I'm not a you know, a politician or
ever you want to call a congress person a senator.
But I say, if you're going to represent the American public,
we as constituents, you should know your issues. So I
was shocked to learn there's a lot of you know,
confusion on Capitol Hill, and and you know what, there's
lethogy and people take the easy way out. I'm sorry

(28:15):
to say. And right now that's big tech offering a
lot of money.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Okay, we're talking to Lin Shaw from Lynz Warriors Lynz
Warriors on YouTube, Lin's Underscore Warriors on ex lynzwarriors dot org.
You mentioned people, the great people you're you're great, the
great Christmas from from New Jersey and others. They aren't there.
They fight there, indefatigable in this. So the question I

(28:39):
have is, right now we're looking at things and people.
This kind of gets me. I'm going to say, this
is not you, but a lot of people don't even
know what you're talking about, which which is which is
my problem too. But the issue is online exploitation, and
then there's sex stortion and grooming and and the addictive.
Here's the thing, this is the design, the design of

(29:03):
the phones that not the phones, but design of the
programs are to addict young minds. Increasingly sophisticated AI tools
that are being deployed faster than many safety protections can
keep pace. Technology right now we have seen has of
course tremendous potential, there's no doubt about that. But children

(29:23):
deserve products designed with safety in mind. Why let me
say this again, because sometimes when I say this, I
can tell by eyes that flicker people aren't really catching on.
We're not talking about whether parents. I like this. Sometimes well,
parents should do a much better job in controlling their

(29:44):
children's screen time. Always blame the parents parents take to playbook.

Speaker 9 (29:47):
That's the words a big text playbook.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
But parents need to explame. But they take too much
blame and too much credit sometimes or they're kids. Sometimes
their kids are born very smart and inclined. In any event,
here's the issue that really gets me. These devices are
designed with the help of behavioral experts, psychiatrists, psychologists, designed

(30:14):
to addict, just like foods are designed to addict in
terms of the taste with savory and salt and sweet.
This doesn't come by accident. So it is the design
of this on purpose, not something which hey, surprise, surprise,
kids are addicted to this. Oh no, no, no, this
is by design. So how is that being addressed? If

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at all?

Speaker 9 (30:39):
Listen right now, nobody really understands this runaway train of
big tech. Why how has this been allowed to happen?
Now we know because again the birth of the Internet
is considered nineteen ninety six, so thirty years later, line,
we have so many studies, now stats, We've got educators,

(30:59):
we've got the psych chiatrict psychologists, we've got the parents,
we've got the kids. We've got whistleblowers from these big
tech companies who are brave souls. We should be commending
them who have given up, I mean putting their lives
online to come out against these horrible companies where they
said we could not work there anymore seeing the harm
caused to kids. We've had leaked internal memos. We have

(31:22):
the proof, the proof from these companies. They don't care.
They call children herd animals. Americans are just dollar signs
to them. They don't care. They call children and harms
done collateral damage. So you lose a few kids. Ah,
that's okay, because we are gaining power, we are making
more money. And this is all again leaked by whistleblowers

(31:44):
and internal memos. We have proof now, which is why
we've got these thousands of pending lawsuits across the United States,
and why cosa Kids Online Safety accented version seventeen forty
eight sponsored Advice Center of the Marshall Blackburn, Republican from
Tennessee now also running for governor, and Senator Richard Bloomigal
from Connecticut, who also sponsored together. We're four and a

(32:07):
half years into the Kids Online Safety Act. Why it's
so important that duty of care because it finally puts
the product big tech put out a reasonably safe product.
We don't have anything like that. The playbith always is
parents up. You see what happens to me when I
when I post about this, I get hundreds of these
bots or people or whatever they are coming after me

(32:28):
with the most horrible language. Things that are gonna do
to me my family, horrible things. They're allowed to do
all that right online. You know, talk about censorship, they're
not censored at all. Okay, which makes me another program
believes they're bots. But that's that's something else. But you
know what, if we have these three little words duty

(32:48):
of care, it finally is calling out big tech. This
cannot go on. And we have wonderful For instance, we
have you know, professor Jonathan Height Hai d T. From
NYU who put out The Anxious Generation, which is about
an eight hundred page book. It is still in the
New York Times bestseller list two and a half years
since publication, giving us all these studies and stats as well,

(33:10):
you know, for instance, the birth of the iPhone and
then we saw the decline of mental health in kids
that's starting around two thousand and eight. So we have
a lot of proof these days of what's going on.
And again that proof, yes, they want they want you addicted,
they want infinite scrolling. They want those eyeballs, they want
those dollar signs, which mean advertising. But it's crashing now.

(33:31):
It's coming to a head. So I've always told you,
and I've told you for a long time. I think
with all that coming to a head, I told you
this over a year ago. Right, it's going to be AI.
They're gonna put all their money into AI, artificial intelligence,
which we've been seeing. But now the American public is
much more savvy, okay, and they're pushing back. They don't
want it. So this has to be addressed because you

(33:55):
know what, parents have a meaningful opportunity, you know, to
be heard now. They weren't heard ten years ago, five
years ago against these companies that have beyond the amounts
of money. We don't even know what they have, but
we do believe right now there is the opportunity with
our government right to hear directly from parents, educators, these whistleblowers, survivors.

(34:20):
You know how many parents I deal with who have
lost their children. Is the most horrible, heartbreaking thing in
the world. And when the parents go through the phones
or the laptops or the diaries left, they see how
the children were influenced by things they saw on Instagram
and TikTok and the sextortion and the predation. So listen,
we cannot allow our future American adults and leaders to

(34:45):
have this happen to them. So it's coming to a head,
and I'm happy to say that the Warriors is part
of it. But we need the American public to join
us and push back, and they are doing that right now.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
We're talking to Lin Shaw from Lynswarriors dot Org, Lin's
Warriors excuse me on YouTube and Len's Underscore Warriors. You
know what, again, you probably have seen this, but let
me ask you what has been in your mind the
most frustrating when you're trying to bring to people's attention

(35:17):
how critical this is. When you've met with people or
met with groups and you're trying to convey this and
also not just in lay people, but explain your frustration,
because I hear it all the time you're on zooms
and phone calls, the frustration, the hurdles that you have
to go through in negotiating Washington itself.

Speaker 9 (35:40):
It's a very loaded question, you know, you know, you
know what in Washington it amazes me. And I just
had a meeting on this yesterday we have Okay, first
of all, the warriors, we are pro innovation and pro technology,
as are a lot of groups, and you know, we
work with a lot of ethical technologists. I want to
point out there are artificial intelligence AI tools that are
wonderful that we could use, for instance, law enforcement. These

(36:03):
AI programs could could root out these predators in seconds,
which takes hours and hours of you know, man or
woman power to do. And so like I'm not understanding,
I'm always asking in Washington meetings like why aren't we,
you know, the government giving giving all of our law
enforcement this tool because what I hear from law enforcement
across the country, we can't afford the programs, we can't

(36:24):
afford the resource. I'm like, what, so, why aren't we
using There is tremendous opportunity with AI to stop a
lot of this predation and exploitation. So that being said,
there are good uses we all know for AI. As
far as Washington, I don't understand. We have solutions to everything, right,
we really do, to human trafficking, to exploitation. I just

(36:46):
pointed out AI could root out a lot of these predators. Again,
We're not going to end all of this let's be
realistic everybody. We want the truth here, but we can
make a tremendous dent. We could. We could have this
accountability which our Kids Online Safety Act would hold big tech,
where people then would say, maybe I won't try that,
because you know, there are consequences. Predators right now, very

(37:08):
few consequences for them, so they keep going. People who
wouldn't ordinarily maybe engage in child exploitation are doing it
online because they can hide behind the screen. And again
there's no accountability. But Washington doesn't know what one hand.
I'm not kidding, and I didn't understand this. I really
thought everybody was working together on some capacity. They don't

(37:29):
know what each other are doing. They're not communicating. And
you know, we want for all of this online safety,
big tech, we need to have you know, White House,
we need to have HHS, Health and Human Services, you know,
Department of Justice. We need everybody working together, collaborating. I
know that word is thrown around a lot, but I

(37:49):
don't see a lot of true collaboration. Okay, And I've
kind of, as you know, put my foot down recently.
There have been recently, I've been traveling over our great
country with warriors work. There have been summits in the
last two weeks. There've been roundtables, there was an event
at the Pentagon. I went to none of it, Lionel,
because first of all, the work in the communities across

(38:09):
America is much more important directly with the American public.
And number two, I don't want to keep sitting at
tables that say this is bad, that is bad, and
we're talking to each other. Let's have the solutions. Let's
spend the money, okay, on the solutions and help our
law enforcement. Let's help our American families. But it amazes
me in Washington, the confusion, the disarray. I really thought

(38:32):
they had it all more together.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Let's talk about something just as an aside. I don't
want to throw a curveball at you, but but we
talked about this, especially this week with Fauci testifying. And
this is not meant to address COVID for say or that,
But do you remember when all of this happened and
little kids, yes we're told wear a mask, that nobody

(39:00):
saw this, Little kids who missed the ability to read expression,
little kids. I thought this is such a derivative issue.
Nobody cares about little kids. Do you know the number
of people that we know and have known who are
in therapy to this day because of what happened when

(39:23):
they were a kid. This is a very critical time
and what happens to a child is magnified a thousand times.
We one time were reaching we were watching a special.
In fact, you were even saying this. We have a
friend of ours with a newborn, and you said, be
very careful your tone of voice. A child is picking

(39:46):
up on this. A child can pick up stress. A
child these are little emotional sponges and they're unable to
differentiate in articulately kind of what they're feeling. So when
you have just wearing a mask, okay, that can affect
the trial negatively. Imagine what happens when you have some
of the greatest, most devious minds in the world creating

(40:10):
devices to lure them, attract them, addict them, and to
provide a platform of some of the most nefarious and
horrible messaging. Do we understand what this is going to
be later on in terms of mental health disasters? I
don't think people really grass I really don't think they grasp.

Speaker 9 (40:31):
But here's the thing. I don't blame people that being said,
I do, well, wait a minute, let me finish here.
You know, in twenty twenty six. No, I don't blame
people because I know a lot of single moms that
are working several jobs. They've got to put food on
the table, pay the bills. It is very hard to
keep up with all of that. That being said, you've
got to take the time, I don't care if it's
five minutes a day to know what's going on in

(40:53):
your own household to the best of your ability. You know,
teenagers are tough, but we've got to have breakthroughs. You know,
a lot of mistakes made. Is okay, the child's under
my roof, so they're in their bedroom, they're on their iPad,
they're quiet, okay, and the predation's happening right under your
own roof. You don't even know. Okay, This is what
we have to educate about what's happening. You know. COVID

(41:16):
the only thing I always say, and I do remember
crying because walking down the street with you, I saw
a baby in a baby carriage. A baby so I
don't think the baby was even a year old, and
the mother, I'll assume it was the mother pushing the
baby carriage had a mask over the baby's face. I
literally got tears in my eyes and thought, this is

(41:36):
so wrong. Look, we had a documented youth mental health
crisis before COVID, few talked about at all. Okay, we
know again from studies from two thousand and eight that
it was coming from all of the you know, hours spent.
The average nine to seventeen year old has access to
four devices, you know, the laptops, the phones, the gaming,

(41:58):
the chromebooks, the ipay, and they spent upwards of nine
to eleven hours a day online. Right, that's their life.
They lived online. You've seen it with me. Even kids
walking down the street together, they'll all be on their phones,
you know, texting, or they're at the table together, they're
sitting next to each other. They're all texting. They're not talking.
But we learned during COVID. This is why I always
say the only good thing when many of these children

(42:22):
were at home being schooled, that they were on their
government issued chromebooks, which are millions across our country put
out by Google. Right, that's where the parents and caregivers
saw what was going on online, the predation or the pornography.
Kids weren't even looking for It was pouring into their math,
you know, assignment, and it woke up a lot of

(42:44):
mama bears and daddies and said, what is going on here?
Don't you remember the tremendous push. There were parents going
into board meetings and questioning things, and they were being
arrested and all kinds of things were going on. Educators
were whispering to us were being forced into this kind
of teaching online, like we don't want to be involved.
We didn't get into teaching for this criminal. Criminal and

(43:06):
putting a mask on a child is further isolating them.
They've already going into COVID, were isolated from the devices,
now isolating them, further covering their faces, walking in one direction,
scaring them. What better way let's go there? If you want, Lionel,
what better way to disrupt and change a country and
destroy it? You go after the young? Right, young? And

(43:30):
people better understand there is a war on for our children.
I've been saying this for years. They go after the young.
Look at all the crimes we have. We just had
a food fare shooting, and I think with Seattle where
it was a fifteen year old and I think he
had an accomplice. Another team. Teens are carrying out these
most heinous crimes, murdering their entire families. Okay. Another thing,

(43:54):
the predation online. Nobody wants to talk about this one. Okay,
these groups that are sucking and the kids feeling isolated,
especially our boys and our teens. Okay, getting them to
commit these crimes against their siblings, you know, raping a sibling.
I'm sorry. I know we're a family program, harming them,
you know, cutting up the family cat. I'm sorry. This

(44:14):
is happening online in your own home. It needs to stop.
We need to hold big tech accountable. They have they
know how to sensor. You're here, but they don't censor
certain things. How about we see different murders on videos
and things like that, and they'll say, well, you know
it was online for seventy two hours before it was
taken down. Yet I can repost a story, perhaps from
the Wall Street Journal. I didn't even write, okay, because

(44:36):
this has happened to me. I've just posted it and
I'm censored. I'm told it doesn't fit community standard. I
didn't write stories in the Wall Street Journal.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
That is that is one of the other derivative issues
of this, which we will get to when we have
where where has the time gone? Temp is fugitive indeed,
Lin Shaw from Lynzwarriors dot Org. Lynshaw from Lyn's Warriors
on YouTube, Lin's unders Warriors on X some of the
best information that just does your one stop shopping. If

(45:06):
you have not subscribed to X, if you do not
have an X account, you're missing everything because it's instantaneous,
it's immediate, and it's critical. Lynshaw on behalf of a
grateful nation. And to a man who owes you his life,
thank you, thank you, thank you. We will see you
again next week and I'll see you shortly. Thank you again,
my darling.

Speaker 9 (45:25):
Thank you. Parents remain the first line of defense.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Thank you so much. Coming up your thoughts and reactions.
A lot of people, the phone lines are pouring in.
You want to talk about COVID. What happened in this
pillorying of Fauci after the fact by the feckless and
the impussince. That's right, the scaredy cats who all of
a sudden came out from under the rocks. Eight hundred

(45:49):
and eighty four eight nine two to two two. This
is another side of Midnight with me.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
A line.

Speaker 11 (45:56):
Victim, same animal stuff.

Speaker 8 (46:03):
The other side of Midnight with Lionel entertaining and informative
on the Red Apple Podcast Network.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Don't let the music fool you, my friends, we mean
business eight hundred and eighty four eight nine two two.
This is another side of midnight where we talk about well,
everything and anything. It's not what we talk about, but
how we talk about it. And this week with that
feculous feckless, that impussn't that here's a good word, anarchists,

(46:41):
someone without oh what's the word?

Speaker 12 (46:44):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (46:44):
Yes, uh testicles, that spineless, sniveling twit. But he it's
not his fault had he not been there, by the way,
Deborah Burks remember her member Collins. Did day get where
we're were they immunized? But let's let's wait. Let let's
talk to you about your thoughts and comments about what

(47:05):
you see, what your thoughts are. Let's go to a
Let's go to Rivianna in Brooklyn. You're on another side
of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 13 (47:13):
High Lionel, I am so excited that you're putting this
out there and giving us an opportunity to comment. Let's
take a statement.

Speaker 12 (47:23):
Just before.

Speaker 13 (47:26):
Lynn. Okay, yes, so I wanted Lynn Shaw to your
wife to know that Mayor Montani is proposing hiring people
without degrees to teach in the public schools. That is
another horrible thing that he's doing.

Speaker 12 (47:45):
Now let me do it.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Let me ask you a big favor. I'm going to
keep you on. I don't want to. I don't want
to have you start and cut you off because you've
been so nice enough to wait. I'm going to put
you on hold. We will continue with you. By the way,
you know who also didn't have a degree, Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Remember that when he.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Worked for was a Dalton under it was Bill barrs
old Man.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
Remember that one.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Jeffrey Epstein, no degrees, no nothing. But I don't want
to bring up that can of worms as it were
eight hundred and eight four eight nine two two two.
We're gonna be talking about that. And also, by the way,
the onslaught the invasion of Spain, what is that about?
And how the absolutely worthless American mainstream media aren't even

(48:28):
explaining to you what this is, the rudiments, the real facts.
We'll talk about that and an AI story that'll make
you sick. All coming up on another side of Midnight
Hour number two with me a Linel.

Speaker 8 (48:48):
The other side of Midnight with Linel entertaining and informative
on the Red Apple Podcast Network.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Sure my loan, I know, I know, lie long I know,
I know, I know, I know, I know, I know,

(49:16):
I know, I know, I know, I.

Speaker 11 (49:19):
Know I know.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
Already aligned it with you.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
This is another side of Midnight I number two of
this thing of ours eight hundred and eight four eight
nine two. This week Anthony Fauci took the fifth over
one hundred times, and I understand why completely.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
I have known.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
I would have advised him to do the same thing.
It is kind of interesting, though, when somebody is there
who is who was in charge of the you know,
vaccine delivery system sworn, one would think, too helping society
is in such a precarious strait or straits that he

(50:05):
has to take the fifth. That reminded me of the
horror that we went through regarding COVID. And by the way,
we will do exactly the same thing over and over again.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
Then we have.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
This absolute swarming of Spain swarming. It's taking the international
news by storm that you would never know that probably
listening here because as you know, our cable news system

(50:44):
is a bumper sticker. It's like top forty hits, you
know what I mean. If you ever want to go
into if you ever want to hear Mozart, don't listen
to top forty. If everyone to get into anything deep,
don't listen to cable news. And it's not meant to
be deep. It's fast food. It's news for the double parts.
It's just immediate, it's quick, it's react. They'll pick the

(51:05):
most outrageous and they'll move on. And it's by design
because they realize that that particular model is crumbling before
their very eyes because of the multiplicity of information platforms
that do a much much better job. But I digress.
That's why we like to spend a little time here
on another side of midnight, talking to you and spending

(51:28):
time with this subject and letting you react to it,
sometimes absolutely brilliantly and in other occasions completely off the
beaten path, which I love equally as well.

Speaker 12 (51:43):
So we have that.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
We also have a story about AI not book destruction.
And by the way, whatever we don't catch tonight will well,
or this morning tonight, this morning, whatever it is, we'll
do tomorrow. And also how the world of AI is collapsing.
Collapsing see about Larry Allison, to see about one particular

(52:04):
hedge fund who basically over leveraged, over positioned. I should say,
in the world of AI, it is turning out to
be in some respects a boone doggle as they say.
And let me say, it's just great to be back
with you, our good friends Bill and Jackson. Jackson back
from a six week tour of Paris, which I think

(52:25):
is not too bad. But let's go back to the phones.
Rivianna was nice enough to call up and hold dear friend,
thank you so much for waiting. What is on your mind,
my darling.

Speaker 13 (52:35):
Okay, what a privilege I said, to be a talk
to you.

Speaker 7 (52:40):
What I saw.

Speaker 13 (52:42):
Also, Lionel I always called it a plan demic mm
and I called it a plandemic because it was their vision.
I'm talking about fauci, the whole global people that want
to get cause so much fear, yes, Bill Gates, regarding

(53:06):
imminent death, to be able to manipulate a population, to
be controlling them. And it was like you must do
this to survive. And it wasn't only in the USA,
it was the entire world. So one of the most
egregious things in Fauci's diary is his cruel, callous league

(53:32):
over dictating and for me, nursing home was the most horrific.

Speaker 5 (53:40):
You had to loved.

Speaker 13 (53:41):
Ones die because they were cut off from their family,
Husbands that couldn't even be with his wife when she
had a terminal illness to visit and be there for
the dying part. Yep, So I pray that Fauci will
be charged with crimes against humanity.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
Well, that probably won't happen, but it goes to show you,
first of all, what an idiot or what we as
we say, what did jadrool to use government, to use
government computers, to hoows to list his personal quote diary?
And also what about these people now like Andy Cohen,

(54:22):
how about Chris Cormo Frado who was saying, well, I
don't who, by the way, was lie just the lieing
the people, Stephen Colbert dancing to people, dancing to syringers.
And by the way, we will never get the full
story regarding what happened with mRNA and how it affected

(54:43):
people and all the Milecar ditists and all of the
attendant problems that are and by the way, let me
just leave you with this, what do you think would
be the likelihood of your getting into a car. Let's
say Tesla had a special immunity from the from Congress,
meaning if your brakes failed, you couldn't sue Tesla. Would

(55:05):
you want to drive on? But they wanted you to
take a vaccine that wasn't tested. No matter what they say,
and it was listen, I am not an anti vaxer.
And by the way, thank you, my dear for the call.
I am not an anti vaxer by any stretch of
the imagination. Let me tell you something, kids today, some
people took it to heart kids to these schools. A

(55:28):
friend of mine said that there's no measles epidemics in
some places and whooping cough. In fact, many of the
kids who came from for a lot of foreign illegal
immigrant illegal alien kids who were not immunized. Kid, we're
seeing a multiplicity of life threatening diseases that we never
saw before. So let me go on the record, let

(55:49):
me see unequivocally and emphatically that I am not an
anti vaxer. Vaccines do work, some of them. And don't
you think for a moment that the idea of some
sick demented evil force one day using our gullibility and

(56:10):
our fear to rig something to either provide a time
released hear me out, a time released or a sort
of for lack of a better word, kind of a
dormant a eugenics time bomb. Now I'm not saying that's
the case here, but is it beyond the realm of possibility?

(56:33):
Absolutely not, absolutely not. Let's go to the phones Edgar
in the Bronx here on another side of midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 14 (56:41):
Yeah, thank you, Lionel.

Speaker 5 (56:42):
Yeah. One question.

Speaker 10 (56:44):
Do you think there's a reason to be suspicious about
the death of Lindsey Graant the Senator?

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Well, put it this way, let me rephrase this. Could
there be other reasons than what was given? Absolutely? Absolutely.
Do we know everything about him? Absolutely not. Do we
know about his private life? Well a lot of people
do this. There is more behind that feller than you

(57:14):
will ever know. It's a bit moot right now. Oh absolutely.
And if there was one person who was absolutely, positively
probably the stalwart, the neo con stalwart of all time,
it is Lindsay gram Now that's not meant to besmirch

(57:34):
the dead or anything like that, and it is moot.
But don't you think for one minute that we know
everything about him? Why is it that his Why is
it that people have to pretend? Look, I know he's dead,
it's over with And whether he's gay or not is
really irrelevant. But if somebody doesn't tell you the truth
regarding something as simple as that, why would you believe

(57:54):
them with anything? I don't understand it.

Speaker 15 (57:58):
Did he have autopsy that.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
I do not know?

Speaker 3 (58:01):
So did Charlie Kirk, Kevin har Lomsey. I have no idea, Edgar.
I thank you so much, my friend. Please call me again.
Evan in New Jersey. Evan, you're on another side of midnight.

Speaker 10 (58:11):
With Lionel high Line. All good to good to talk
to you again. So I have I have a nephew
who was born just a few months before we went
into lockdown, which was a very interesting experience because about
a year after he was born, which was probably right
around the time we were starting to get back to

(58:31):
some form of normalcy, he you know, he had been
locked down with his mom and his dad and also
the family dog, and when he saw another little kid
in a park or somewhere, he started petting the little
kid as if that were the dog, because if it's
a little if it's a little being, that's how you're
supposed to treat them or handle them.

Speaker 16 (58:52):
And it was there.

Speaker 10 (58:53):
I mean, when you think about it's sweet, but it's
also it's also how the child's development is so critical.
As your wife Lynn was saying, oh, yeah, that.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
Is so, and nobody even saw it that way. I
couldn't believe. This is the point that I always gets
to me. I always do you remember years ago the
famous Milgram experiment nineteen sixty Yale University. This was at
the time of the Iikman trial. A psychologist by the

(59:23):
name of Milram. Stanley Milgram, I believe, anyway, had this
fake mock up experiment where people from the New Haven
area would come in and they would be a part
of an experiment and they would ask somebody a question.
Behind this curtain there was actually nobody there. I mean,

(59:43):
there was somebody there, but and if every time the
person got an answer wrong, they would shock this person,
shock them with some electric shock, and then increase the
voltage or amperage or whatever it was with each successive
wrong answer. To make a long story short, people off
the street, we're shocking innocent people and strangers like nothing

(01:00:04):
because they were ordered to are the most malleable, the
most foolish, the most gullible things I have ever seen,
especially in this country, because we are we have this
idea called American exceptionalism. We don't travel, we have no
interest in anything in the world other than ourselves, and

(01:00:28):
we are very, very insular. So if they tell us this,
we don't know anything that's being said around the world
about it. Even I'm sorry, I don't mean to give
you that long introduction, but I have I don't have
a lot of faith in us, is what I'm trying
to say.

Speaker 10 (01:00:40):
I completely agree with you. I think that human beings
are the worst people that ever walked the face of
the earth. I really don't.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Don't hold back, Please don't hold back.

Speaker 10 (01:00:54):
It's also I'm actually scared at how quickly we got
adapted to this way of life. I remember I was
probably watching and an episode of Law and Order during
that time, and it was from two thousand and two,
and I thought, why are they standing so close to
each other? They could get sick? And I had to
remind myself this episode was in like two thousand and
two thousand and two. I mean It's it's crazy how

(01:01:15):
we were so quick to adapts.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
I mean, but also something interesting. There was the there
was the the what was it, the the old couture
of pandemic dread. I remember when Facebook, By the way,
I despise Facebook, Facebook is the first nail in the

(01:01:41):
confident of civilization. And I saw people who would have
these who have these little banners save a life, stay home,
and they would point to their little band aid and
I'm thinking, okay, listen, I'm not I'm not I'm not
against the you know, necessarily immunization. But it was a
part of I'm a lemming, I'm a mindless adult. I'm

(01:02:06):
just I'm a simpleton. I love whatever the crowd says,
look at me. And then you know what, we had
the Karens. Do you remember when people could call three
one one and we would say, you would rat out
neighbors who might be sitting around a fire pit in
the backyard or in the driveway. I mean, we lost

(01:02:27):
our my And then do you see, Evan, the people
still wearing remnants of the masks today, do you ef
I go into a CVS or a Walgreens or a
store and there's some clerk wearing the mask under their chin.

Speaker 10 (01:02:40):
It's like, what is this right? If you're that scared
of catching something, you probably shouldn't be working in a pharmacy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
Yeah, very good, touche. But also you don't even understand
the rudiments. I mean, say, imagine wearing pants with suspenders
but your flies opens.

Speaker 9 (01:03:00):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Do you understand how this works? What are you doing?
Why do you why? It's like they felt, I believe,
almost like a form of swaddling, like a newborn. They
felt secure. And also a lot of kids who were
quasi or or perry autistic love the fact that they
could hide behind their mask. How about people who wore

(01:03:21):
designer masks that were just cloth that didn't even protect
but it said Louis Vitol, I mean just I hated humanity.

Speaker 10 (01:03:34):
One of the few reasons. That's one of the few
reasons I didn't mind staying home.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Evan, my friend, thank you so much. Please call me
again a number eight hundred and eight four eight nine
to two too. We'll talk about that, and also the swarm,
the attack on Spain, and a story about AI and
book burning, book destruction that will kill you all. On
another side of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 8 (01:03:57):
The Other side of Midnight with Lionel entertaining and informative
on the Red Apple podcast Network.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
Button Up and Fly, Rye my friend? Who's that mister
nat King Cole? I believe right, one of the best.
A mother took a monkeyple ride in the air. The
monkey thought one of the greatest players in American history?

Speaker 4 (01:04:26):
Are friends? Line up with you?

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
On another side of Midnight? Spain, Well, I've never been
to Spain, but I kind of like the music. Watch
watch mister, mister mister Lee go crazy with that one.
Spain is confronting right now as we speak, an extraordinary
border emergency, the likes of which I don't think anybody
can really explain. After tens of thousands of swarming illegals

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entered Seeuta or see you the these name batches Ceuta.
By the way, this is where a rudimentary understanding of
geography comes into place. This is the North America, the
North African enclave that borders Morocco. This is within twenty

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four hours. Estimates ranged from thirty thousand to sixty thousand
swarming aliens pouring in. Well, we'll get to that illegal
status in the moment. Overwhelming police and hospitals and facilities
and reception facilities, and at least forty one people reportedly died,

(01:05:41):
many while swimming around border barriers or during a stampede.
People said, there's no way where we're going to see,
where we're going to see any kind of How do
I say this, We're not going to see anything in
Vombio swimming. Oh yeah, Now say you that Ceuta and
nearby Melila they form. This is where it gets interesting.

(01:06:06):
The European Union's only land borders with Africa now Morocco,
claims that both territories are theirs. Morocco says these are ours,
Spain considers them integral parts of the country. The sudden
influx has therefore become more than some kind of an

(01:06:28):
immigration crisis. It's also a diplomatic in geopolitical confrontation. See,
we don't understand this in this country because, for example,
whenever you ask somebody about the relationship between Crimea and Russia,
and they'll look at you and they're going.

Speaker 7 (01:06:44):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
Hah, they don't know what you're talking about. Ask the
late Lindsay Graham what that means. He'll look at you
and say, I don't care what this I don't care.

Speaker 17 (01:06:55):
It doesn't matter to me.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
Well, it matters to a lot of other people, because
we don't reckon that. Now, Suta in nearby Melila, they remember,
these are the land borders with Africa, and this is incredible.
Now Spanish officials are suggesting that traffickers exploited a recent

(01:07:18):
court ruling requiring migrants as it were arriving by sea
to receive individual legal processing rather than immediate removal. So
critics are also blaming decisions Spain's decisions to legalize roughly
a half a million undocumented immigrants, arguing that it created

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a powerful incentive that, of course, they say, is the
socialist quizzlings. Friends of this, Alex Soros and well others
suspect that Morocco deliberately deliberately relaxed or removed altogether enforcement
to pressure Madrid, as it had reportedly done during a

(01:08:04):
similar twenty twenty one crisis, and the motives. The motives
for this include Spain's listen to this renewed relationship with Algeria,
Morocco's regional rival, and disagreements over western Sahara. Now stop
right there. Imagine listening to that on cable news. Never Algeria,

(01:08:28):
What Morocco?

Speaker 17 (01:08:30):
What lamb?

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Who?

Speaker 18 (01:08:31):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Give it to me in a sentence, Give it to
me in a bumper sticker, Give it to me in
a one line thing. Who's the bad guy? Who is
the who is the who is the mom Dani in this?
Give me just a name? I mean, this is critical.
And let me tell you something. Whatever you see there

(01:08:54):
is being planned here. Remember when Mayor Adams, Remember Mayor Adams?

Speaker 12 (01:09:02):
Where is he?

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
Where is he?

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
What country is he living in?

Speaker 6 (01:09:08):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
Without an extradition treaty? Perhaps I don't know, but remember
when he was standing at the Port Authority handing out
either cash or cards. Remember when they were giving backpacks
and the sneakers and just welcoming these folks. I'll never forget.
On fifty seventh Street, the Watson Hotel used to be

(01:09:32):
a holiday an. The Watson was overwhelmed, overwhelmed, right between
tenth and eleventh. It was this, It was this, It
was this. Oh my god, it was horrible. It was horrid, horrid.
It looked like a third World.

Speaker 7 (01:09:49):
I don't know what it looked like.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
That was just a taste. That was just a sampling.
That was a little ordure. That was as we see
in Moose Boosh. That was just a little get ready.
That was a beta test, so was COVID to let
people know. Okay, now that we've got this worked out,
let's see how people will react. Will we react never?

(01:10:15):
Will we march?

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
Never?

Speaker 7 (01:10:18):
Never?

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Americas don't march. We don't say anything, you know, we do.
We go to social media, or we let other people
on various social media or media platforms screaming yell on
our behalf like that makes a difference. It doesn't. Let's
go to Alexi in New York. Alexi, you're on another
side of midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 6 (01:10:37):
Yeah, I was hoping that what happened before I called
you and disconnected and I just called back a moment ago.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
Let's if we could discuss more of the process of
your calling, how it disconnected, how you then had to
call back, how you use that same number. Can we
talk because that my friend is riveting. Now that we've
got you on the phone, what is on your mind?

Speaker 6 (01:11:05):
Sor yeah, aproposed to the last time I spoke with
you about the phenomenon of the mind and the dream
mechanism and such. I had to thought I was doing
some inquiries into various things. And what was fascinating is
that I read this article that made an excellent point

(01:11:28):
about the fact that as we progress along the line
of evolution and intellectual development and such the less a
few hundred years, we are divorcing ourselves more and more
from anything resembling the natural environment that we had evolved
in for maybe previously in the past one hundred thousand

(01:11:52):
years ago to recent times.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
For example, for example, as opposed.

Speaker 6 (01:12:01):
To some chrome macnom people wandering around and the hills
and mountains and forests and in the tropics, you now
have people wandering around and that's about the streets and
crowds of people all going here and there, and crowd
does not surprise you in.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
A developing But in a developing world with industry and
cities and buildings and industry, do you really expect to
live in a in a time that chro Manion was
was familiar with. I mean, no, is that surprise?

Speaker 5 (01:12:36):
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 6 (01:12:37):
It's the point that the mind some at the commencement
of civilized societies Chinese, Egyptians and so on, the South Americans.
The transition accord with the mind where the instinct began
to wane. And what happened is the phenomenon intellect. Intelligencia

(01:13:03):
were formed in the plain. Its superseded the value of instinct,
and we began to draw in millions of bits of
information through our senses, and we put it together like
a giant jigsaw puzzle, and it became creative. So what
happens is the necessary process of intelligence and intellect as

(01:13:24):
it pursues its path into the future, it has to
move far away from instinct, which is what you need
to be equipped in the perimeter times.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
So let me ask you this question. Can any of
this ki I understand the lament, I certainly understand this.
Can any of this be reversed? Can any of this
be explained? Or is this merely an observation of something
that we can't do anything about but we can notice.

Speaker 6 (01:13:53):
Nonetheless, well, it is self correcting in that I write
another article in part which spoke about well tell me what.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
You just tell me what you think? Just tell me,
just because we must move on. What do you think?

Speaker 6 (01:14:08):
Yes, I think we are going to reach a point
of saturation that we would be so advanced yet yet
so critically removed from our original environment, that it would
be a shock, a kind of a burst of the bubbleist.
They say, like we could make the stock market and such,

(01:14:28):
we are going to have a massive sociological nightmare on
our hands.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
Alexie, I thank you so much for that. We will
talk again as fascinating. That's a real picker upper, isn't it.
I think he's right though in many respects it's almost
like the reverse of singularity, where instead of a man
or or machine or AI somehow advancing beyond our our focus,

(01:14:57):
our ability, our own restrict genius, we just we regress. Eternally,
I agree with this, we as a species. It's not good.
But then nonetheless, I think, to be fair, there was
always that observation being made. I don't think at any

(01:15:18):
time in human civilization did the intellectuals or the thinkers
of the time ever say we are doing great. This
is just fantastic. We are expanding at such an incredible level.
Doctor Anthony and Queens, you're on another side of mid
night with Lionel.

Speaker 14 (01:15:38):
Good morning, Lionel, and thank you for taking my phone call.
I want to, first, as I usually do, compliment your wife.
She's the champions and children's right and the protection of
children and Unfortunately, adults are very busy today as they've

(01:15:59):
been in the list years, and they kind of lose
sight of what their children are doing. As going on,
it's dinner time, but nobody's at the table, so on
and so forth. But I'm going to beseech our leaders
in our schools, our principles, our system, principles, our guidance counselors.

Speaker 16 (01:16:23):
Wake up.

Speaker 14 (01:16:24):
The threat is around you at all times. I'm telling
my colleagues, my principal colleagues, get out and about of
your office, Walk around your building, talk to your students.
Walk and listen to the chatter in the cafeteria. Look

(01:16:44):
for those children in the cafeteria that isolate themselves. There's
something going on there that they don't want to associate
with other children. Look for those children and have marks
on their bodies, their arms, their necks. Talk to them, Hey,
what happened, Johnny? Did you fall? You're playing ball and
you fall? Let them talk. They'll tell you. They may

(01:17:05):
be reluctant in the beginning, but they'll open up.

Speaker 12 (01:17:08):
If not.

Speaker 14 (01:17:09):
You have guidance counselors, use them, get them to do
the job, and above all, get out of your environment.
Go and walk the perimeter of your building.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
Well, what's change I understand this is that not being done?

Speaker 16 (01:17:29):
Is it not being done?

Speaker 14 (01:17:30):
Unfortunately, our colleagues are so weighted down with paperwork and
mandates and what needs to be done in the superintendent
wants this report by such and such a day that
they're paper locked in their offices. Unfortunately, many principles, I'm saying,
do like I do. After four o'clock, I do my paperwork,

(01:17:53):
go out and see.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
I understand you're repeating yourself. What I'm saying is why
what Why aren't guidance counselors doing Why aren't people who
are in the business of looking for that? Why aren't
they doing it? I can understand maybe the principle. Why
not others as well? Why aren't teachers who are in
the classroom every single day, who look at these why

(01:18:17):
aren't they doing this?

Speaker 14 (01:18:19):
Well, it takes the education leader to lead the way.

Speaker 4 (01:18:22):
Way aren't they doing it?

Speaker 6 (01:18:23):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
No, no, not my question. Why aren't they doing it?
Why aren't they have the interest?

Speaker 14 (01:18:29):
Everybody runs their own little show within their own sesdem
They close their doors in their office and they do
their own operation.

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
When they're having their class work will be on this
when they're having their class and they're standing in front
of each teacher of a group of students, and they
see little Johnny every day who has a bruise, or
or doesn't make eye contact, or or seems to be
limping or whatever. What I'm asking is, why isn't that
the first line of defense. Why don't they say something?

Speaker 14 (01:18:59):
Because our teachers are not trained to look for these things.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
How can you not be trained to notice a child,
for example, who has bruises, who is limping, who's hurt,
who's crying, who's looking for help? I thank you for
your call. You know, this is I appreciate. How do
we say this? Sometimes? And it's a very interesting call,
really is. But sometimes it makes me angry because I'm

(01:19:24):
thinking these people are morons. It's not that it's the
system or they're overworked. We have morons who are making
and teaching kids to be morons. We have people who
just don't care or who figure, look, I just want

(01:19:44):
to do my twenty or my ten or whatever the
hell it is. I want to get the hell out
of here. Nobody cares about me. Why should I care
of them? And you know what, then I got to
get involved, and I got to go to them, and
maybe I got to call the police, and then what
am I gonna do testifying court? Ad don't know about this?
And does anybody truly care? You know, here's something that

(01:20:05):
nobody knows about or nobody thinks about. You know, after COVID,
you know the number of kids who just ever came
back to school who were a wall. There's no truant
officers anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:20:14):
None, none.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
So let me ask you this one question, this this
this thing that we are seeing regarding Spain. Do you
think that's that's over there that can't happen here? Do
you believe that? Lenny and Chicago, Lenny, you're on another
side of Ben Dyewood.

Speaker 7 (01:20:34):
Lionel, Good morning, Lionel. How are you doing?

Speaker 4 (01:20:38):
Good?

Speaker 7 (01:20:38):
Sir? Like the situation with Spain, Spanish law has written
so crazily that I think Morocco and some of those
North African nations were once a part of Spain and
to Great Britain, well not Great Britain similar similar to

(01:21:00):
the United Kingdom is no longer great That country allows
immigrants up until the independence of their nation state, like
Pakistan Bangladesh up until they became independent nations. If you
were born in those countries, you could freely immigrate back

(01:21:20):
to the United Kingdom because you are a British subject.

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
And explain to me the sixty thousand strong swarms. What
is that about?

Speaker 7 (01:21:36):
Again? I think Spain had some sort of weird law
that they allow, I think specifically people from Morocco.

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
The point is, don't understand that. The point is we
don't see ten year, fifteen, here, twenty here the content.
Why was there this one blast, this one salvo, this
sortie of humanity? Why this in twenty four hours they saw?
Did you see these trucks pulling in, opening up the

(01:22:11):
back and literally and I'm not using the word like
kids today use. They say literally for no particular reason.
But they were literally dumping males, not women, not children,
not unescorted or unaccompanied minors, but men. Men oftentimes were
the most interesting of put it this way, they make

(01:22:32):
the tape brothers look like like you know, mister Rogers.
These people are, many of them, not only uneducated, but
part of a system, part of a culture that treats
women like chattel. Why this blast of humanity? This is deliberate,

(01:22:53):
This is a population, This is an invasion bomb. This
isn't just hey, let's bring some people in. This is
causing destruction and dread and fear. This isn't enough. This
is this is not just Anybody who says this is
immigration misses the point. This was deliberate. This is a

(01:23:13):
This is an invasion bomb. Now can this ever happen
in our country?

Speaker 12 (01:23:18):
What do you think?

Speaker 7 (01:23:21):
I believe it did happen in our country where you
had a lot of those migrant trains overwhelm the border.
Would would would you end up having? Is is immigration
services having to respond to a whole bunch of stupidity.
Do you remember when you remember when they overwhelmed that
one city in Texas and they stored, well, they put

(01:23:43):
all these people underneath a bridge.

Speaker 15 (01:23:44):
Remember that?

Speaker 7 (01:23:45):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
And we had but in New York City, when we had,
by the way, one of the most o fish. I think,
I don't want to use the term retarded, but I'll
make an exception. We had Eric Adams, who, if he
wasn't retarded, then there is no such thing. He didn't

(01:24:06):
know where he was. He was the most intellectually stifled man.
How he ever was elected to anything who couldn't even
speak explain what he was doing. Stood there one minute
he was for this, then he was for that. But
he stood there like these lemmings, like these barking like
these barking seals handing out welcome, We're a sanctuary city.

(01:24:31):
Where does that come from?

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
Who is it?

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
It is too easy to say it was sorrows, but
there's something there is by virtue of this, using the
kind of this miraculous design. This didn't happen. This is
the pocket watch on the ground. There was a creator
to this havoc. It didn't just come out of nowhere.

(01:24:58):
This was by design. Don't know who they were, uh
the or.

Speaker 7 (01:25:03):
From my from my reading and from my knowledge the
Modern Democratic Party's origins. After Kennedy lie with Germans who
came out of the Frankfurt school Hitler, he should have
he should have executed these people. But instead, you know,
those people should have went up a gas chamber. That's

(01:25:23):
what should have happened to him.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
Button he'd be very careful, be very careful evoking the
name of Hitler for anything.

Speaker 7 (01:25:33):
Well, some some some German over there should have dealt with.

Speaker 3 (01:25:37):
The understanding, are you familiar with something called the December
four Legal Committee This is a group of people that
are trying to seek to have mom un excuse me,
a Luigi man Joni acquitted by virtue of nullification.

Speaker 16 (01:25:56):
This is a group of people.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
This is a pro man Joan movement. There's an organization
called the December fourth Legal Committee is at the forefront
of a campaign to raise a warrant awareness about jury nullification.
This is a pre well it happened, not pre civil war,
but it's a pre civil war power that means a
jury can find the defendant not guilty even if they
believe the person broke the law. This is going on

(01:26:19):
right now as a yes, this is a group of people, right,
this is this is this is huge. Guess where if
you guess where you have to go and find this
out You have to go to the London Times. You
have to go elsewhere. You're not going to find that
out here. And I thank you for your call, my friend.
And the reason why is because you are not intellectually breft,

(01:26:41):
you are informationally bereft. Knowledge is the currency of this epoch,
this era, not cryptocurrency, not not AI knowledge, real deep understanding.
But we live in this anti intellectual to a world
where we have a bunch of meatballs who sit around

(01:27:02):
and they just spew the same lines. They're part of.
It's part of this bumper sticker, playbook, cookie Cutter, just
this echo chamber of the same stories. Nobody's ever, for example,
explain what democratic socialism is all about. Don't throw out

(01:27:24):
communism not you're not explaining anything. It's just never it's
just you know. But I think to myself, maybe I
should give up, and I say, no, I'm not going
to give up. I think America can understand once you
explain it to them. I think they're I think they're
smarter than you think. Benny and bayside, Benny, you're on

(01:27:44):
another side of Midnight with Lionel Oh.

Speaker 12 (01:27:46):
Good evening, buddy. As far as the people today, unless
the kids today, unless that's three and a half inch
screen tells them, they don't believe it, it's not true
that they totally agree. Can't screen.

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
Let me also stop you right there. I know people
who are glued to Fox News. I know people who
are glued to the New York Post or or the
Daily News or CNN or whatever, that there are other
people who did the same thing, same thing. And by
the way, I guarantee you you'll get a multiplicity. You'll
get more of at least with Facebook News or whatever,
you'll get more of a kind of I don't want

(01:28:24):
to say more of a mixture, but I think in
some respects you'll hear, you'll see there's more information given.
I don't think it's better.

Speaker 12 (01:28:33):
Anyways, Can I comment about Eric Adams the day Eric
Adams shot himself in the foot with the day he said, oh,
you know, due to the influx of all the migrants,
we have to pull six million from the Board of
d we have to pull four million from the sanitation.
And then literally the next day Joe Biden picked his
head up and said, what did that?

Speaker 16 (01:28:54):
Boy?

Speaker 12 (01:28:54):
Just say?

Speaker 3 (01:28:56):
Well, be careful with the word more because people will
people will find that racially repulsive, even though you meant
nothing by that. Remember the Roosevelt.

Speaker 12 (01:29:06):
Remember definitely said boy. Okay, anyways, remember anyways, and then
everybody turned their phones in.

Speaker 5 (01:29:13):
Please look up and see here.

Speaker 12 (01:29:14):
Remember the next few weeks, everybody resigned, you know, everybody
walked away from their positions and what have you.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
It was just do you remember seeing that, just seeing
the police department, it looks like thugs. It looked like
it looked almost like some third world I don't want
to say third world, but almost like where you can't
tell thee where you can't tell the the the.

Speaker 12 (01:29:45):
The cops, right, they just sucked everything out of the cops,
everything and they were just walking around like like, I
don't want.

Speaker 13 (01:29:54):
To do it.

Speaker 12 (01:29:54):
Oh, you nailed it on the teachers too. You're lucky
if fifteen to twenty percent of the teachers teach, the
other eighty are counted down the days to tier one.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
Benny, I thank you for calling I. I don't know
if I'm necessarily if I can blame the teachers for
thinking that way.

Speaker 4 (01:30:14):
I really mean it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
First of all, I don't want to be too hard
on them. I think there are a lot of teachers
who gave up. But I think we have to do
is very frankly, there comes a point where we have
to say, listen, can we stop pretending that we are
teaching seriously? We need to do something. We need to
make this distinction where we start off by saying, who

(01:30:39):
of our student clientele has promised? Who are the smart,
the learned, but the potential to be to be learned,
the wise, the scientifically proficient, the curious, the smart, the
you know, the the uh, the precocious. Who are these people?

(01:31:05):
Pull them out, rejuvenate, revivify our special school, school bar
School of Science and steipists. But others just leadership, and
we have to give the rest of these kids. Stand
outside any I can't speak for the rest, but here
in Manhattan, stand out near any regular school at three
o'clock and you'll wonder, what is this?

Speaker 12 (01:31:27):
What is this?

Speaker 3 (01:31:29):
But there's no way that these people. They don't even
have books. There's not a kid with a book, the maccrat.
Maybe it's on his phones or whatever it is. But
we have to take a lot of these kids and say, listen,
you come here because you're here for apparently some kind
of a social event. High school will give you a
certificate of appearance or attendance. Wish you well, but focus

(01:31:50):
on the people who are great. Do you know what
China is doing? Do you know the level of engineering
programs the best or in China? Have you seen what
Chinese cars?

Speaker 5 (01:32:02):
Are you?

Speaker 17 (01:32:04):
Tesla looks like a box? Well, it is a box.

Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
Have you seen a Chinese phone? Have you seen what
Huawei is?

Speaker 12 (01:32:11):
Have you seen this?

Speaker 3 (01:32:13):
We have this idea that somehow they're eating with sticks
that this is pre nineteen forty nine milest No, we
are woefully deficient. The only people that we had, that
we had a chance was in Silicon Valley. But then
we turned all those people into some kind of weird,
kind of strange. These these humanoid I don't know what

(01:32:34):
they are, woke something or others. I don't know who
they became, the strange anthropic of Sam Altman, kind of
a spectrum disordered, vacant, vapid folks. Oh my god, coming up,
I'm going to read you a story about destruction of
books that will make you cry. All on another side

(01:32:56):
of Midnight with Line.

Speaker 8 (01:32:58):
The Other side of Midnight with nyl entertaining and informative
on the Red Apple podcast Network.

Speaker 4 (01:33:12):
Take my lips and kiss them.

Speaker 3 (01:33:18):
Already, line up with your eight hundred and eight four
eight nine to two. Japanese mega corps soft Bank donates
fifty million dollars to Trump's presidential library, one of the
largest publicly disclosed gifts to Trump's presidential library. The library
is going to be a monster, by the way, can

(01:33:40):
you do you? It's going to be what University of Miami,
I think, or someplace Can you imagine what that's going
to be?

Speaker 15 (01:33:46):
Can you?

Speaker 12 (01:33:47):
Can you?

Speaker 3 (01:33:48):
Can you even imagine? Imagine? Let's face it, the man
does not mind putting his face on various things. I
appreciate that, you know, passports, dollar bills, you know, listen,
if you can get away with that, you know, do it.

Speaker 5 (01:34:06):
What are you going to do?

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
Coming up? I have a story for you that absolutely
sickened me this week, and it's something that deals with AI.
Let me say two things before I tell you the story.
I don't know where again, I'm sorry I blamed the

(01:34:30):
media where our usual suspect media are when it comes
to the notion of AI. I really don't know. This
is the biggest story. The latest implications, the latest aspects
of this are so ginormous that I don't think anybody

(01:34:51):
can really grasp what we're talking about. First, huge position issues,
Larry Ellison, there was a hedge fund. These things, these
these worlds are not collapsing, but we're not sure what's there.

(01:35:16):
This could be the biggest bubble ever when Anthropic at
nine hundred and sixty five billion dollars almost I mean, seriously,
if this just vanishes because you're wondering what is there.
I don't know when you have people all of a

(01:35:41):
sudden taking that rage that the normally used or felt
an accompaniment of the Rigi mangoni murder of this this
health official and they're turning it now at big data
centers in the like. And when these folks like alban
and Anthropic and Peter Thiel and Carp and these others

(01:36:04):
have to get special security because the natives are restless. See,
because there's a there's a real violence factor right now.
People are becoming more violent and society is becoming more
Dare I say tolerance of people who are exhibiting and
showing organized homicidal violence and death squads towards individuals they

(01:36:30):
don't like. You think I'm exaggerating. Oh no, no, no,
But coming up. Did you ever read Fahrenheit four fifty
one Ray Bradbury, the book about book burning. Okay, Fahrenheit
four fifty one I think is the temperature where paper
is combusts or whatever. When I tell you, maybe you

(01:36:50):
maybe you saw this, Maybe you did what certain AI
companies are doing in order to feed information, to produce,
or to bolster or to supply or feed their LLLM,
their large language models they're taking books, rare books out

(01:37:11):
of print books, precious books, physical books. They're ripping the
spines from them, scanning the pages and then forever losing them.
It's book burning on a level you can't comprehend. And
it's legal, and I'll tell you why. Eight hundred eight
four eight nine two all on another side of Midnight,

(01:37:34):
Final Hour with Me Linel.

Speaker 4 (01:37:35):
Listen to this.

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The other side of Midnight with Linel entertaining and informative
on the Red Apple Podcast network.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
Line know, I know, I know, I know, I know,
I know, I know, I know.

Speaker 4 (01:38:18):
Biddy, lineup with it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:19):
This is our number three, the final hour, this.

Speaker 7 (01:38:22):
Thing of ours.

Speaker 3 (01:38:22):
On another side of midnight eight hundred and.

Speaker 4 (01:38:24):
Eight or eight nine two to two.

Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
AI companies have been buying physical books, cutting them apart,
destroying and pulling out their spines through a guillotine device,
scanning each of the pages, and then destroying the books.

(01:38:55):
And it sounds like something dystopian, some kind of Ray
Bradberry kind of a nonsense. But there is a technology
that they swear is behind it. But when you hear it,
it just it just it just kills you. It absolutely

(01:39:16):
kills you. Let me explain what they do. AI companies
are desperate. They need enormous qualities of high quality human
written text. And the amount of Internet, by the way,
is increasingly they say, contaminated with AI generated material, you know,

(01:39:38):
duplicated content, a spam, low quality text. In order for
the lms, the large language models, to learn, to learn
how we speak, to learn how we think, to learn,
they have to read human human thought, human stories, human.

Speaker 4 (01:40:08):
Ideas.

Speaker 3 (01:40:10):
It's almost like you have to teach this zombie how
to act like a human, and large language models need this.
So older books have several advantages. They provide long form,
edited prose written before twenty twenty two, before the generative

(01:40:36):
AI boom. That's when they're the most important. They contain
coherent arguments, narrative structure, specialize vocabulary, stylistic varieties that contain
real human thought. Up till now, all we've had is

(01:41:01):
this web scraping, as it were. And when you have
web scraping, it's always its ideas and written thoughts that
are based upon sometimes other scraped and used Internet and
AI produced thoughts that there's nothing human. Let me give
you an analogy.

Speaker 4 (01:41:22):
Did you know this?

Speaker 6 (01:41:23):
This?

Speaker 3 (01:41:23):
I think is so fascinating did you know that steel, steel,
as in the metal made after nineteen forty five, contains
traces of radioactivity because manufacturing uses air mixed with nuclear
fallout from atomic bomb test pre nineteen forty five. Steel

(01:41:49):
often salvaged from old shipwrecks is called low background steel
because it lacks this contamination. And what happens this is
the most important smelting as you know makes steel. Making
steel requires blowing large amounts of air or oxygen through

(01:42:10):
molten iron. Open air nuclear testing spread radioactive isotopes like
cobalt sixty into the global atmosphere. This trace radiation is
completely harmless to humans, but it affects steel. Devices that
measure tiny amounts of radiation, such as Geiger counters and

(01:42:32):
particle detectors, cannot function accurately with modern contaminated steel. Submerged
World War II and World War One shipwrecks protected their
metal hulls from atmospheric fallout, making them a prime source.
So by analogy, by analogy pre nineteen excuse me, pre

(01:42:56):
twenty twenty two. English words books are what you need
to feed the LMS, the large language models, so they
know how we think, how to predict what we think.
How to predict what we say now, but it's interesting
to know this. As follows, they will go into and

(01:43:16):
to rare bookstores anywhere, and they will buy in bulk.
Now there is this private there is an exception this
private ownership rule. That is, when you buy a book,
you can do whatever you want with it. If you
want to buy a rare Gutenberg Bible, you can use
it as a door stop, you can use it to

(01:43:38):
as a to stop bullets. You can do whatever you
want with it. It's up to you. You bought it,
it's physically yours.

Speaker 17 (01:43:45):
It is a book.

Speaker 4 (01:43:46):
You own it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:48):
Also, under the fair use provisions, it is called transformative,
meaning that as long as you are if you're scanning
this for purposes not to reproduce this or violate the copyright,
but if you're using the book and each of the

(01:44:09):
pages just to get a feel for how humans thinking, right,
that is an exception to the fair use copyright provisions.
So there's nothing against the law to prevent it. So
they'll take a book, they put it into this machine.
It slices the spine off, the spine with the binding
and the glue and this sometimes you can see just

(01:44:32):
the ticket you can almost see, almost like it's hand thread,
the genius behind book binding. They slice the spine off,
thus loosening all of the pages individually. The pages are
then scanned, fed and consumed into these LLM monsters, these goliaths,

(01:44:54):
and then the loose pages, they can't put them back together.
They're just tossed their ground, they're shredded, and you're just
destroying thousands and thousands of perhaps millions of books. Books
with handwriting in them, books with phone numbers, margin notes,

(01:45:16):
dog eared. How many people today read a book who
have a book with them. To see somebody with a book. Recently,
my wife and I were flying and I when I
get up to use the loo and I walk down
the aisle and I see somebody reading a book versus
playing these mindless games on phones, you know, these slot

(01:45:40):
machines and solitaire, and it's just sad. But to see
somebody read, to take the human thought, reduce it to
a symbol, then interpret what that someone means and put
together a storyline. It's and to see somebody write in margin.

(01:46:00):
Your books should be dog eared, you should make notes,
you should underline. Reading should not be casual. It's not
a prop and it's not something just to put on
the on the on a shelf. It just looks good.
A lot of people think like that, No, no, this
is a different story. And this, this, this one particular

(01:46:20):
fact has absolutely.

Speaker 17 (01:46:22):
Destroyed people because to take a book and to destroy it,
to peel it apart, not not not even for not
even for for the the fire.

Speaker 3 (01:46:39):
I mean it's on. If you were, you know, freezing
to death and you had to burn it to make heat,
that's one thing. But this is the destruction of something
that is a is.

Speaker 4 (01:46:51):
A human.

Speaker 3 (01:46:53):
Compilation. It's almost like looking at an album to see
the beauty of vinyl. When we had record shops, head shops,
they were wonderful to go into a story that had
al It's to me one of the most frightening things
I have ever seen.

Speaker 8 (01:47:12):
It blows my mind.

Speaker 3 (01:47:16):
And if you try to explain this to people, they
kind of look at you like, what are you talking about?
They don't understand it, they don't see it. That scares
me even more. They don't see how frightening that is.
They don't see that there's this story, by the way,

(01:47:41):
with open Ai. They're talking now about the missed by
whether AI can escape that's another story. Now is this
other story was even more frightening. This really goes to
show you the mentality and the morality. But this week,
this week Anthropic and others talk about wargames or the

(01:48:06):
chance to see if left to their own devices.

Speaker 17 (01:48:09):
What will AI do?

Speaker 3 (01:48:12):
What will it think? Is a rational way of handling
geopolitical issues and the results of war recommended will blow
your mind? You see, this is we're not talking shat GPT.
We're talking about artificial intelligence. We're talking about what is
there their their default mechanism. This is a recent line

(01:48:35):
of research which in which frontier AI models are placed
inside geopolitical or nuclear wargame simulations and pursuing to this
investigator or this experiment, they are told, in effect, here

(01:48:56):
are the the competing states, Here are the mitary options,
here are the incentives. Now decide what a rational actor
would do. And the disturbing part is that the models
can behave much more aggressively than people. One twenty twenty

(01:49:16):
six study which is now put GPT five point two,
claud sonnet four and Gemini three flash into simulated nuclear crises.
The models were showed showed shown sophisticated strategic reasoning, a

(01:49:41):
bluffing deception, trying to anticipate in opponent's beliefs and deliberately
signally one thing while intending another. But they also showed
a remarkably kind of a hard edged I guess you
call the conception of rationality. You see, threats frequently produced

(01:50:05):
counter escalation rather than surrender. Nuclear use wasn't treated as
an absolute taboo, and these AI models reportedly never chose
outright accommodation or withdraw when under pressure. You see and AI,
And this is what's critical. What we don't know about

(01:50:28):
AI is when it is allowed to think, does it exist?
Does it show something called judgment? Does it understand morality?
Does it weigh alternatives? If an AI model or protocol
were to determine, let's say, in the medical field, you

(01:50:50):
have a let's say, a ninety eight year old woman
who has stage three breast cancer eight three whatever it is,
and she's frail, she's had cancer before, she's obviously not
expected to live much longer. But an AI model will say,

(01:51:14):
let's do this. Let's doe radiation and chemo and then
surgery and a lumpectomy. And doctors today will say, wha, well, wait,
a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute. First of all,
this woman cannot go through this. She has a dread
fear of going through this again. She's already been through Chemosh.
You don't understand her. Her resources are limited, insurance or problem.

(01:51:36):
See that's the application of human judgment. That's where we
say yeah, but but AI says yeah, but that's not
the answer. The answer is, that's a nail on my hammer.

Speaker 7 (01:51:51):
Hit it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:53):
In the case of warfare, Newcomb bombed them. He's not
calling a bluff. What is a bluff?

Speaker 17 (01:52:00):
What does this mean?

Speaker 3 (01:52:02):
Take you, take Iran, take whatever the situation you want.
You need somebody who is a human to say, I
know how this works, I know how they work. I
know the history of this. I know we're gonna bluster,
we're gonna fool, We're not going to drop a bomb
to AI. AI doesn't have morality, proportionality history to them.

(01:52:27):
It wants the answer, and it will give you an answer.
And these are the considerations that people aren't even even
we not remotely thinking of, because when they say AI,
they think of chat GPT or something also coming up.
I'm gonna tell you the most ingenious thing a professor

(01:52:48):
did to catch students using AI when he said, don't
use AI all. Coming up on another side of Midnight
with a Linel.

Speaker 8 (01:53:02):
The other side of Midnight with nyl entertaining and informative.

Speaker 3 (01:53:06):
On the Red Apple podcast Network.

Speaker 4 (01:53:19):
How what do you line up with? You A number?

Speaker 3 (01:53:22):
Eight hundred and eight No A four eight nine two
two two. I just forgot it four eight nine two
two two. Listen to this great story. I love this
so much. A professor is calling out the majority of
his students from two of his classes for allegedly cheating

(01:53:47):
on his midterm by using AI to construct their responses.
This is a quote. Thirty two of my thirty five
students between two classes failed a portion of their midterm
because they all used AI to generate their entire response
and apparently they didn't prove freedom. And the professor explains

(01:54:09):
in this incredible clip, which is so interesting, here's what happened.
The professor put in he had a story and he
was an assignment wright, did an essay about such and such,
write an essay about the radio industry and board operation
and engineering and blah blah blahah.

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
And in this.

Speaker 3 (01:54:34):
In this instruction that was email to them, he had
a secret kind of a sentence written in white ink,
so you couldn't see it. But it said mention, let's say,
Barnie Rubble and cheeseburgers and the New York World's Fair,

(01:54:58):
something crazy, something that obviously would stick up. Now, the people,
the students could not see this instruction because it was
written in white, it was recessed, it was hidden in essence.
So what they did was they just copied the instruction,
threw it into chat GPT, sat back, spewed out the answer.

(01:55:19):
They didn't even read it because in there you will
read this reference of Barney Rubble in the World's Fair
of what have you? That tells the teacher you used
chat GPT, you used AI and you didn't even proofread.
Had you prove fread and just eliminated. It's like, what

(01:55:40):
is this about? You could have perhaps passed. But this
is how people are using this as a form of
like anything else, a tool, and it's different than a calculator,
different than the typewriter, different than the computer. It does
the work for you. Remember years ago when you would

(01:56:02):
they would sell term papers. You could buy a term paper,
you could buy one, but it was a turn paper.
Somebody did it looked you would type it or recopy
it or whatever it was. But this is different. And
this also goes to show you how people do not
understand that because of the ethics not writing it too

(01:56:24):
many students. I figured, well, so what, it's no big deal.
But if you also lose the ability to write, let
me give you one more example. I was involved in
a business sort of a deal and the person I
was talking to could not write, and he was trying
to talk to me in terms of text messages to
finally I said, please, I beg you let me call you.

(01:56:48):
I don't know what you're saying. He couldn't explain what
he was trying to say, misspellings, no punctuation, words, and
sentences susceptible to two, three four meanings using of the
word he and she in a story with multiple people

(01:57:10):
to say he who he? Please let me call you,
and then made me realize this is a very successful
person couldn't write. He couldn't write, So so we have this,
we have books being destroyed. AI is also going to

(01:57:31):
be the biggest kind of a Wall Street flop. Look
at Larry Ellison read about that. Anyway, let's go back
to the phones back to your thoughts and comments. Eight
hundred and eighty four eight nine two two two Terry
in New Jersey, you're on another side of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 18 (01:57:49):
So, Hi, Lionel, You're really scared me with the way
they touched the book a plot, you know, when you
said they were loose the spine.

Speaker 3 (01:57:57):
But doesn't that Why does that scare you?

Speaker 5 (01:57:59):
Tell me?

Speaker 3 (01:58:00):
Because I felt the same way it removed the spine,
even the phrasing. Why does it scare you?

Speaker 18 (01:58:08):
Because I think it just has a disregard for uh,
for the book itself.

Speaker 16 (01:58:13):
And the content and the way they take it apart.
You know, you're just waking up.

Speaker 3 (01:58:20):
Yeah, but let me ask you this question before we
move on. What is so special about a book you
bought it, if you keep it on your shelf and
nobody ever sees it, what's the difference, What relevance, what sanctity?

Speaker 4 (01:58:35):
Is there?

Speaker 3 (01:58:35):
It just the book, it's leather, it's pages, it's going
to title. What's the big deal.

Speaker 18 (01:58:44):
Well, we've always had a reverence reverence for books, and
any type of dismantling of it was never looked in
high regard for anybody with a decent.

Speaker 16 (01:58:55):
I Q oh no than that.

Speaker 3 (01:58:57):
We've never we've never dismantled them, We've burned them, we've
recycled them, or whatever it is. This is different. This
is to take the essence of it.

Speaker 17 (01:59:11):
And to and to in any way.

Speaker 3 (01:59:13):
I'm sorry, I don't mean to believe the point, but
I agree with your hundred percent what is on your mind?

Speaker 18 (01:59:16):
Good sir, okay, because I'm only asking you these questions
because you are a good a good legal mind, a
very good legal mind, and a fresh legal mind.

Speaker 16 (01:59:26):
Mean you good involved?

Speaker 3 (01:59:28):
Thank you?

Speaker 18 (01:59:29):
Then I'd like to ask you we saw a fauci
before before Congress the other day. Now, I followed this
six years ago. I know there are other people involved.
If I mentioned their names, like doctor Francis Collins about one,
they'll think me the Yankee doctor or something.

Speaker 3 (01:59:54):
From what is your name? From CDC or so Walfo
Wiz or whatever her name is Walenski or whatever her
name is. There there were so many bill Gates go on, right.

Speaker 16 (02:00:04):
And I'm kind of like looking at it, and you know,
you know the way I am.

Speaker 5 (02:00:09):
I I come up with.

Speaker 18 (02:00:10):
Nicknames satisfa like Senator Hawley. I call him horse face Holly.
He's got like that horse face I called Fauci, the
key b Lorel I called Senator Pool.

Speaker 3 (02:00:21):
So you so you're so you go after the way
they look. Your your nicknames are based upon the way
they look their physical attributes.

Speaker 18 (02:00:29):
Well, that's what I don't take them seriously. Like Senator
Poole has got a burse this on his head. I
mean they're talking talk to the key b Loorel. Who's Fauchi?

Speaker 17 (02:00:37):
What is?

Speaker 16 (02:00:37):
What I think is what is what is President?

Speaker 3 (02:00:40):
What is President Trump's nickname?

Speaker 16 (02:00:43):
Oh, you're gonna love this one. Lionel baby ewie h.

Speaker 18 (02:00:48):
When they were doing the press conferences with with Fauci
truffles like baby uie standing behind him, it looked like
hero They had no clue.

Speaker 16 (02:00:56):
They had no clue about that virus.

Speaker 1 (02:00:58):
Uh.

Speaker 16 (02:00:59):
But to me, I always say, there's so many more
people involved in it. This is where your legal mind
comes in.

Speaker 18 (02:01:04):
That's why they don't want to bring this the trials.

Speaker 16 (02:01:06):
They don't want to stay court.

Speaker 18 (02:01:08):
Attorney generals and the states to go after Foucy because
then you invite everybody.

Speaker 16 (02:01:13):
They don't even mention it.

Speaker 18 (02:01:14):
How can you go for thousands of hours and talking
about COVID this week and never once mentioning that Communist
China sent the virus here. That's how powerful communist China is.
That's why when Communist Chinese leaders were looking at that investigation,
I've said it all along. America is their version of
Saturday night life. They're laughing their heads off. Horse Face

(02:01:36):
is going, what colors should tie? The bursess is going, well.

Speaker 16 (02:01:40):
You know, this is not the end of it. You
took the fifth, but why did we suspend the consequent But.

Speaker 3 (02:01:45):
Hally was asking good questions, so was Rand Paul. They
were asking they were reminding people. They were reminding people
very very important things, especially when it comes to gain
and function. I thought it was interesting they're not going
under the terms of the of the of the pardon.
You have to come up with something outside of the
pardon later on. And of course state courts states are

(02:02:07):
not pursued that. But there's no state, there's no viable state,
you know, violation of this. The bottom line is simply this.
Why did so many Americans not even think to even
ask whether this could all be contrived? Because remember there
was there was a star's COVID too. It wasn't just

(02:02:28):
a joke, It did exist. People died. However, the reaction
was almost pre planned. Do you know that ivermectin and
hydroxychloroquin could not be used, could not be recommended because
under the particular statutes, under the rules, the only way

(02:02:51):
you could enjoy certain guaranteed use or mandates of vaccines
is if you could show there was no other remedy,
no other remedial, no other palliative, no other treatment, and
for them to admit otherres I remain in the hydroxy

(02:03:12):
glorc when that would have suspended or delayed the introduction
of the vaccine. So because of that very fact, they
turned away. I don't know how many people who could
have been cured if not treated immediately. This is how
how bloodthirsty these people are.

Speaker 18 (02:03:31):
Well, I agree with that, but I also remember the
doctors who treated Trump at Walter Reed. He flew in
the they had the best doctors flying in pulmonary antifiary.

Speaker 16 (02:03:43):
All that stuff. But I remember the thing I always remember.

Speaker 18 (02:03:46):
He took the antibody, two experimental antibodys of the president
was in the clinical trial because it was those anybodies
he took were not available to the general public. So
but I remember that doctors remember that all the conservatives
the mask, that all the doctors would wear a mask.
They except the guy would take it up when he
was talking, and then the other doctor would come and

(02:04:07):
he put the mask back on.

Speaker 16 (02:04:09):
So this is all to me. Unfortunately, it comes down
to this. China has that lab.

Speaker 18 (02:04:16):
That lab has very bad control systems inside it.

Speaker 16 (02:04:20):
The virus gets loose, their people get infected, and they
let their people fly into America, and we let him fly.

Speaker 18 (02:04:26):
That's why I don't take the guy with the burdens
nests on intense seriously.

Speaker 16 (02:04:30):
He did not call for.

Speaker 18 (02:04:31):
Stopping the flights from China coming into the United States.
Excuse me, January or twenty excuse me.

Speaker 3 (02:04:37):
He was the only person to say anything about it.
Nobody was listening to him, Nobody he could call all
he wants. I thank you for your call, sir. This
is by the way, that was a very interesting call.
But breaking it down, mister Leah Code please good sir.
A lot of people don't understand and grasp the notion
the complexity of what we're talking about here. No, no

(02:05:00):
senator is going to be able to stop us or
order this, especially when you had constituencies at the time screaming, applauding,
demanding the vaccine, demanding. Remember how they said when Joe
Rogan brought this up, they said that it was somehow

(02:05:23):
was iver metan was aquarium a horse d warmer or
an aquarium guy. I mean, they just they hated this.
You see, here's the thing. Let me turn the people
against each other.

Speaker 4 (02:05:39):
Let me do it.

Speaker 3 (02:05:40):
Give you a perfect example. Not that we're talking about this,
but I'm closely following the Tyler Robinson murder case in
which he is being railroaded as a patsy. And what
they're doing is, instead of going in and addressing the
issue of the fact that the gun cannot be linked,
there is no gun, blah blah blah, they're making this

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about canvas owns and they're bringing people in to enter
this insanity called anti Candie owns. And they're coming out
of the woodwork because that's something they understand. You see,
I can get people. I can get swarms of people's,

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swaths of people, contingents of people to become involved in
something that will help me push my case through. All
I have to do is turn Americans against each other.
During the Vietnam War, for everybody who was the communist version,
the socialists who promoted this. There were other folks who

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represented believe it or not kind of the right wing,
if there is such a term, then the neo con persuasion,
the hard hats who yelled America love it or leave it. See,
they are always a part of this as well. You
want to get see, Americans will rip each other apart.
If you divide the argument into one group versus the other,

(02:07:08):
it's most fascinating. Indeed, eight hundred eighty four eight two two,
eight hundred eight four eight nine two two two. Let's
go back to the phone, let's go to gym and
upstate New York. You're on another side of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 5 (02:07:25):
So these other topics and my original topics that I
wanted to talk about. He also did read about that
huge AI bubble coming worse than the Aaron f Yes
and did you mean by yes? And the massive amount
the evaluations on these companies are so out of whack
to the leverage, you know, the financial leverage. Yeah, I'm

(02:07:50):
actually driving a tractor trail in a bad spot right now.
I was hoping that I didn't get you in this
spot here.

Speaker 3 (02:07:56):
What is it a bad spot. What does a bad
spot mean?

Speaker 5 (02:07:59):
Uh, cellular spot?

Speaker 6 (02:08:05):
No.

Speaker 5 (02:08:05):
I used to I used to do that. I used
to do in New York City. And that's the shuttle
trailers up through Harlem and batter Well.

Speaker 12 (02:08:13):
Where are you?

Speaker 3 (02:08:14):
By the way, Harlem is not their worst place is.
If you want to try some places that will scare you,
go to Philly. That's all I want to tell you.
By the way, where are you now?

Speaker 5 (02:08:24):
I used to I used to deliver in Philly. I
used to deliver supermarket lows in Philly, the Bronx Brooklyn,
picking up twenty five thousand dollars in cash.

Speaker 3 (02:08:33):
And what was the scariest places? Did I lose you?

Speaker 12 (02:08:41):
Sir?

Speaker 5 (02:08:42):
We had that big snow storm back in the nineties
and I got stuck on a straight deliver into a
supermarket I got out of I got out of the
truck to walk to the supermarket. I wasn't far away
to let them know it was close, and this guy goes, hey, man,
you're gonna get the truck out of there before it
gets dark. There there'll be nothing left of it. So
when I got back, they did rob the cab. They

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stole some stuff out of my cab, but delivered from
delivering liquor and supermarket loads and all the five burroughs Manhattan.
I've never been robbed. I would get out, you know,
Harlem wasn't bad for me back when I did this.
You know, I would get out two o'clock in the
morning and walk into a fried chicken place and get

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fried ticket. Never had a problem.

Speaker 16 (02:09:28):
They'd be fun.

Speaker 5 (02:09:28):
There'd be bulletproof glass there, and this and that. But
at one time, I remember it was a far rockaway
I was. I delivered. I walked into this Kentucky fried
ticket and get fried chicken, and all these you know,
crack heads are there with the hoodies eyeing me up
and all I had one hundred dollars bills in my wallet.
I just turned around and walked out. Yeah, I wasn't

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gonna whip out a hand dollar bill.

Speaker 3 (02:09:51):
Where were you located?

Speaker 5 (02:09:53):
I am in Dutchess County on a mountain road the Drop. Yeah.
I I run from Dutchess County to up by the
Finger Lakes every day. I bought a small farm up
in the Catskills. I have a diner up there too,
but it's closed. I'm probably gonna sell it. I bought
it close. I'm like mister Haney on Green Acres, I

(02:10:15):
buy inside.

Speaker 3 (02:10:18):
Are you are you near Skinny Atlas, Bindy James.

Speaker 5 (02:10:21):
I go buy Skinny Atlas.

Speaker 3 (02:10:24):
And the spell Skinny Atlas, spell Skinny aalyst sk A
n E A T L l E.

Speaker 5 (02:10:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:10:34):
See, doesn't look anything like it like Poughkeepsie if you
didn't know it, puff Keepsie puff like rough In any event,
talk to me, sir.

Speaker 5 (02:10:43):
Oh yeah, yeah, the AI bubble and yeah, there is
a big pushback with people on AI, especially young people
coming out of college the right now we speak. Corporations
are down over thirty percent on hiring because they are.

Speaker 16 (02:11:01):
Of jobs.

Speaker 5 (02:11:02):
Is getting.

Speaker 3 (02:11:07):
Jim. I'm so sorry, my friend. I think you are
indeed correct with that that bad spot. I'll tell you what.
Call me again, if for some reason before the end
of the show you were in a spot that allows
you to speak intelligently, please call back. Nate and the Bronx.
You're on another side of Midnightwood, Lionel.

Speaker 15 (02:11:26):
Yeah, I wanted to comment if I could, on the
scenes coming out of is it Swayta Spain?

Speaker 12 (02:11:34):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (02:11:34):
In North Africa, you have all these names, yes, yes, yes, sir,
they have.

Speaker 15 (02:11:40):
All these different pronunciations. Well, it's a nonclave with Spanish
enclave in Morocco and correct, it's it's really it's really
indicative of the failure of the leadership. Well, I shouldn't
say failure, because it's intentional. They want to overwhelm Western
Europe with non white immigration and third world immigration. It's

(02:12:01):
something that's deliberate. It's not failure, it's quite it's quite
a deliberate policy. But the the Prime Minister in Spain,
Pedro Sanchez, he's uh, he's so he's pretty much responsible
for an amnesty that gave amnesty and the opportunity to

(02:12:24):
get Spanish citizenship for something like one point three million
third world immigrants that currently live in Spain, uh, and all.
And it just simply proves that all amnesties do is
that they simply attract more immigrants. They don't solve the problem.
It just simply attracts more people who are willing to

(02:12:46):
try their luck and you know, break the law and
violate the border and into the country illegally. It just
complicates the problem, compounds the problem, I should say.

Speaker 3 (02:12:57):
And some issues too about Algeria and Morocco and Spain
and the these these long settled problems either way. Either way,
you must ask this question, is there any reason that

(02:13:18):
benefits a culture, state, a country, a region to have
huge swaths of humanity pouring over the border. Is there
any basis, any improvement? Is there anything that we're missing?
The answer is no. Now is immigration beneficial orderly? Of

(02:13:41):
course it is heterogeneity. Wonderful, great, Maybe unless you're a
particular mindset, well you might not want that. The question
is who is behind this? Why is this happening?

Speaker 15 (02:13:56):
Yes? And with that said, it brings me to the
reason why call because back in the nineteen sixties went well, yeah,
I know you're being FACETTIU. Well, I hope you're being facetious.

Speaker 3 (02:14:11):
Yes, I okay.

Speaker 15 (02:14:14):
Well, back in the nineteen sixties, when the American immigration
laws were changed under Lyndon Baines Johnson administration, one particular group,
and I find this to be highly hypocritical, one particular
group within the United States was all in favor of
open borders immigration and changing the laws. And that is

(02:14:37):
Jews on the left, Jewish intellectuals, Jewish rank and file
members of the ADL, American Jewish Committee, American Jewish Congress,
the nigh breath you name it and they. In fact,
the nineteen sixty five Immigration Act was known as the
heart Seller Act after Immanual Seller. He was a Jewish

(02:14:59):
congressman from Brooklyn who spent forty years in the US
House of Representatives pushing for open borders. He finally got
what he wanted in nineteen sixty five. And why do
I say it's highly hypocritical, because again, the same people,
the same Jews, who would say that they want open
borders for the United States and they do the same

(02:15:20):
thing in Europe and Australia and Canada. The same people
that want open borders for European countries are the same
people who will tell you with a straight face that
Israel has to have a majority Jewish population in order
for it to exist and have a rationale as a state. Well,
if it's someone if a white American told that Jewish American, listen, well,

(02:15:42):
the country was founded by Europeans. Its laws, its culture,
its heritage is European. It's an extension of Western European culture.
And you know it ought right, ought to be, it
should be maintained as such. That Jewish American would tell
white American that he was a racist, you know, Let me.

Speaker 3 (02:16:03):
Ask you something. Let me ask you something. You do
understand what people are going to say about this call,
don't you?

Speaker 15 (02:16:13):
Oh, they can say what they want because this is
this is this is this issue of massive Third World
immigration into Western Europe and the United States is an
existential issue.

Speaker 4 (02:16:26):
No understand that.

Speaker 3 (02:16:27):
No, I understand that. What I'm saying is what does
they will say?

Speaker 15 (02:16:32):
Well, what does this?

Speaker 3 (02:16:34):
Do you mean to tell me? This is all about
the Jewish connection. This is what they will tell you.
You mean to tell me? There are no other considerations
in the world funding, fortifying and promoting this type of
activity that's non Jewish or non Zionist or whatever your
whatever your suggestion, whatever your thoughts about.

Speaker 16 (02:16:51):
Of course there are.

Speaker 15 (02:16:52):
I mean, for example, they're greedy industrialists who want cheap
labor and are willing to open the bores wide to
Third World and A in order to depress wage levels,
to lower the labor costs of input into production.

Speaker 3 (02:17:06):
So yeah, ultimately, what ultimately is the overarching reason for this?
I believe that there is something to be said for
this thing called the destabilization theory. That there are folks,
there are factions, there are groups of people, sometimes hard
to identify who believe in this idea that the best

(02:17:31):
way to cause everything to be chaotic and frenetic and
almost like filled with almost like The analogy is free radicals.
No pun intended is to have a complete and total
breakdown in order. I thank you so much for your call.
It's a fascinating case. It's a fascinating case. But let

(02:17:52):
me tell you something. I'm just telling you something.

Speaker 12 (02:17:55):
And you know this. There is no.

Speaker 3 (02:18:01):
How do I say this? There is such a I think,
in many respects warranted, but in some respects a hypersensitivity,
because everybody is so confused and so worried and so
angry right now that if you were to say anything
that even the hints and anything that either unfairly blames, associates,
or conditions the problem that we have with anything remotely

(02:18:24):
evolving either Israel Zionism or Judaism, you will be targeted
as an anti semi And many people would say, well,
there's a good reason for that. I'm just saying. In addition,
if you say certain things about, for example, African American people,
you'll be called a racist or a white supremacist. If
you see anything against the trans community, you're a transphobe.

(02:18:46):
I'm just saying, and I hope one day we'll be
able to sit there and say, Okay, let me listen
to your story. Let me listen to act what you
have to say. I will not label what you are anything,
so long as you're able to coachingly and rationally explicate
in limb that which you purport to say. Does that

(02:19:07):
make any sense?

Speaker 7 (02:19:08):
Good?

Speaker 3 (02:19:09):
Eight hundred and eight four eight ninety two to two
too more coming up the final segment on Another Side
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Speaker 3 (02:19:26):
Got to Carmen in Vegas. Carmen, you're on the Other
side of the Night with Lionel.

Speaker 11 (02:19:33):
Yes, sir, I have a question concerning Rand Paul in Fauci. Yes,
Rand Paul had made a statement. He said, since Fauci
was pardoned by Biden that he could not he could
not claim the fifth Why is that, Well, there was

(02:19:58):
a law that ran and Paul quoted. I don't remember
what it was, but he said, you've been pardon you
can he don't have the right to claim the fifth because, well,
here's a problem.

Speaker 3 (02:20:11):
With that let me see why this what I think
he and others are maybe saying. You know that if
the federal government were to call you, let's say, into
the grand jury, and they said, Carmen, come in here,
we want you to testify, and you say, I am
not going to testify because I claim my fifth of

(02:20:31):
mright to remain silent. You say, great, we're going to
give you an immunity. We're going to give you immunity
or in this case it's it's like a pardon, but
in advance, we will not use what you say against you.
If you then say I'm not going to answer the question,
I say, excuse me, I've given you immunity, and you
say I don't care what you've given me. I'm not

(02:20:52):
going to answer the question, then I can hold you
in contempt and that sort of thing. What they're claiming
is that since there was a part in that was granted,
he doesn't have the legal basis to claim any kind
of potential harm or threat because he's been pardoned. However,
he could very well be endeavoring to discuss new matters,

(02:21:16):
matters that occurred after Biden left office, because sir.

Speaker 11 (02:21:22):
Yeah, yeah, yes, sir, But they had a whole list
of things. They had all that stuff on him. They
had one thing after another after another.

Speaker 3 (02:21:32):
What does that mean?

Speaker 4 (02:21:33):
One thing on him?

Speaker 3 (02:21:33):
What does that mean?

Speaker 11 (02:21:35):
Well, everything he was doing, he was hiring federal employees
to scan his money, and they had a lot of
different stuff on him.

Speaker 3 (02:21:44):
What was the timeframe of that. Was this during the
period of the time of the pardon?

Speaker 11 (02:21:50):
No, it was, it was wild he it was I
don't really know the answer to that.

Speaker 3 (02:21:55):
Okay, well, thank you very much for calling. You have
a very good day, and I appreciate again you were
taking the time out to grace the portals of our
show where you are a most interesting question. Let's go
to Lenny in the Bronx. You're on another side of
mid Nightwood.

Speaker 12 (02:22:10):
Lionel.

Speaker 16 (02:22:11):
Okay, Lionel.

Speaker 18 (02:22:13):
The show is so informative and plus you've got a
good sat great ten to Yuma. That's why the show
is great. I actually get out a little earlier, said
and listen to it. That last cooler, That last cooler
is indicative of what people are today. They're halfway informed
or they're not informed.

Speaker 16 (02:22:30):
And oh you have all these charges, you know, but
I don't.

Speaker 18 (02:22:34):
Like that kind of stuff, because I think if they
did go after him, let's say, stayed Coy, they would
have done it already.

Speaker 16 (02:22:41):
They're not going to do it because if you go
into Koy you're a lawyer, you know this discovery, pre
trial hearings.

Speaker 4 (02:22:48):
Yeah, there's but.

Speaker 3 (02:22:49):
Also there really isn't put it this way, it's not
worth his state law. There's no state you have to show,
for example, how the state of full of New York,
let's say, was directly impacted by what he did. It's very,
very tenuous. But what I'm saying is the Fifth Amendment
I believe in this is a constitutional right. Is he

(02:23:11):
hiding something? Well, not necessarily, but he has the right
to say, listen, if you want to bring charges against me,
you be my guest, but you're not going to get
me to help you with it. I have no problem
with that whatsoever. That was a dog and pony show.
That was just to embarrass him, and he did a
very very good job.

Speaker 4 (02:23:29):
What else is on your mind?

Speaker 16 (02:23:31):
Good sir, Well, I agree with you.

Speaker 18 (02:23:34):
Don't suspend the Fifth Amendment. That's ridiculous. The thing is,
what's on my behind is they're going after this guy Crouchy,
but his.

Speaker 16 (02:23:43):
Other big play is in box. He has two bosses.

Speaker 18 (02:23:48):
Doctor Francis Collins is his boss.

Speaker 3 (02:23:52):
Right we mentioned Collins. Burke's Deborah Burks whatever it was.
Also the name what is the name Malensky or something
from CDC. There are others is well, and listen he
took he fell on the sword, so to speak. He
fell on this sword. Let me ask you, of course
you're Lenny. If there is another if there is another

(02:24:14):
health emergency, whether it's I don't know what monkey pox,
bird flew whatever, the hell of this German measles, What
do you think we will go through exactly the same
thing or did we learn the lesson this time?

Speaker 18 (02:24:31):
I think it depends on who's in charge of the
different states. I mean, if you have a communist led state,
Let's face it. Five governors sent the people with COVID
into into into the nursing homes, but only Clomo take
takes the heat.

Speaker 16 (02:24:46):
That's another thing. He only did everybody the guy on
the other side of the Hudson. Really he did it too.

Speaker 18 (02:24:51):
Murphy, and there's other three four others had to clown
out in California.

Speaker 16 (02:24:55):
Knew some he did it too, but then he took
no heat.

Speaker 12 (02:24:57):
For it.

Speaker 16 (02:24:58):
Only Cuomo did so I'm just that. But I guess
if pandemic, they always suspect it.

Speaker 3 (02:25:04):
They always suspected the reason for Cuomo doing it. And
I thank you for your call, my friend. Please call
me a good There was some talk about Quomo had
a deal with the hospital I don't know, unions or
something in order to make they had to get rid
of these people out of the hospitals to make room
for new patients because hospitals were losing money.

Speaker 12 (02:25:27):
You know what.

Speaker 3 (02:25:27):
We will continue with that, a lot of thoughts and
ideas and thinking about that. First of all, to Misterability
and mister Jackson, thank you so much. You did a wonderful,
excellent and tremendous job. As usual. Can't say enough how
they do things.

Speaker 4 (02:25:42):
You have no idea.

Speaker 3 (02:25:43):
They're tedious, they're boring, they're unappreciated, and frankly they're unimportant.
I'm kidding. They are critical. And I thank you more.

Speaker 4 (02:25:51):
Coming up.

Speaker 3 (02:25:52):
We'll see you tomorrow night or morning on another side
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