Another Side of Midnight with Lionel

Another Side of Midnight with Lionel airs weekends from 2–5am on 77WABC. Emmy Award-winning legal and media analyst Lionel delivers bold commentary on politics, law, culture, and current events, alongside lively conversations with listeners nationwide.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
H my lo I know, I know, I know, I know,

(00:28):
I know, I know, I know, I know, I know,
I know, I know, I know.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
I know.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Already line up with you and this is another side
of midnight, taking you all the way to five a m.
Eastern time, and then after that you can do whatever
the hell you want to do. It's up to you.
I'm not in control of you anymore. Do not touch
anything I am in control eight hundred eighty four eight

(01:06):
nine to two two. Eight hundred eighty four eight nine
two two two. Seems like just the other day we
were doing this. This, of course is just well a
rather unique undertaking on our particular point coming up, of course,
this is this is Warrior Weekend, when the lovely and
talented my beloved Lynchhaw gives you some news regarding what

(01:27):
is going on regarding and including what is happening to children,
child predation, digital safety coming up this hour. This week's
version will blow your mind, absolutely positively blow your mind.
I've got some things to talk about later. I don't

(01:47):
want to necessarily announce it now. Well, you see my
take on this is to talk about things that I
find fascinating in our world, in the world that we're
in things that I find interesting. There is so much
going on regarding surveillance politics. Politics is a funny thing.

(02:10):
I tend to dare I say, stay a little bit
from that, because that is put it this way. I
don't want to. I don't want to spend a lot
of time having to teach the frame of reference that
I enjoy. So sometimes it just it's better. Some things

(02:30):
are better left unsaid. That's just the way it is,
I think the gray Bruce Hornsby said. But we have
topics that we talk about, for example, UFOs and disclosure.
Have you noticed nothing has come of that? Nothing? As
I said, nothing nothing. You don't know anything more than
you did. There's always the teas the limited hangout. The

(02:52):
story is artificial intelligence and transhumanism, though we really don't
talk about transhumanism. That too often big tech overreach digital surveillance,
digital surveillance at levels you can't even come frehend. I
was reading yesterday about new surveillance techniques that prevent or

(03:12):
that create artificial imaginary surveillance. So if you want me
to create the image that you robbed the bank, I'll
do it for you, even though you weren't there. Do
you want me to drop on your cloud or infect
your particular hardware information that is against the law. See

(03:36):
salmon the like I'll do that too. You see, nothing
is going to be believed, pictures, video, nothing, geopolitics in
the New World Order? Ask people what is the New
World Order? And to this date, to date, no one
can understand true crime and behavioral psychology, intelligence agents, these

(04:00):
intel covit operations, constitutional law or con law as we
call it, civil liberties, media manipulation, propaganda, paranormal phenomena, health science, skepticism,
pop culture, and tonight we're going to be talking about
something later is one of the most important aspects of

(04:22):
popular culture, which has been part and partial to my
life growing up, which I will explain to you later.
Also some problems that we have regarding well, let's just wait,
just wait, because whenever I say I'm going to do something,
oftentimes something will happen. Because the beautiful part about this,
as I have said, you see, I like you, with

(04:45):
the exception of with the exception of my beloved. Every week.
I'm not a big guest person. It's easy. Well, for
one thing, it's in the middle of the night. It's
tough to tell people, Hey, we'd like to be a
guest on the show. Yeah, when is it a two
amas or what? So that that's one consideration. But I

(05:06):
think you're the guest. See I play the callers and
you are so great. I love somebody. Sometimes your perspective
will be so terrific. And then sometimes, and this is
where I get a kick out of it, sometimes you're
wondering what are you listening to? What show are you
listening to? What channel are you on? Individually and spiritually?

(05:30):
And I say that without mocking. This isn't mocking derision.
It's just I just like sometimes people who don't know
what the hell they're talking about, which is fabulous. But
I do want to say this. Have you noticed how
everybody is a real COVID tough guy. See now that
Fauci was up, and Fauci was before, everybody now is say, well,

(05:54):
you know, I think we should prosecute Fauci. Prosecute him
for what we on he took the fifth Good luck
with that one. That ain't gonna happen because Fauci's not
the guy. The question is who told Fauci what to say?
How did this happen? And you will have people like
Rand Paul and others, and they bring Fauci out and

(06:14):
they're gonna say, look, look, Tony, you're gonna make more
money than anybody else who has ever been a part
of the government. Your pension alone will just destroy everything.
You will break all kinds of records, and up to
now it has been pretty easy, pretty good. Nothing will
need to do. So what we're gonna do is we're
gonna bring you out and we're gonna yell at you

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like we do with Mark Zuckerbert. We're gonna yell at you.
Then we're gonna scream at you, and then everybody's gonna
demand I want him arrested. They we're gonna drag out
Bobby Kennedy, who will talk about oh various things. He
still never really got to the bottom of autism, at
least as we had anticipated, too busy talking about how

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to make food. And you know, red dye number three.
But it's all a charade, or a charade as somebody
wants them. It's all a joke. It's a game. The
whole thing is a game.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
You know this.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
I know this, and I love how people are so
tough right now because here is the problem.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
And let me.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
See if I can explain this to you, we are
an either or society. What does that mean? I don't know,
just kidding. We believe in one or the other, black
or white. It's called you know, good guy, bad guy,

(07:39):
mannichian is the word or apodictic or specific one or
the other. Never a blend, never a nuance. Never well
yes and no partly well. It's hard to say oh no, no,
no no, because people will start up with this. Have
you met this the true anti vax crowd all of

(08:04):
a sudden They believe not only in distrusting what particular
vaccines are provided, but in the whole notion of immunology.
Vaccines don't work. Vaccinations don't work. It's never worked. And
they just they just say what, it doesn't work, it

(08:24):
doesn't work, vaccine, vaccines don't work. Pastor was wrong? What
are you talking about? And they just get a part
of this. And I know a lot of these people,
there's this this wild kind of what do I say?
It's this mentality that just kills me. And what kills

(08:49):
me about it more than anything else is how they
take they're so exaggerating it. Seriously, if you think that
I want to live in a world where there's no
such thing as a vaccine. Got your mind, it doesn't
make any sense. You don't believe in vaccines. No, you
don't think children should be vaccinated, no for anything. No,

(09:13):
what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (09:16):
You know what?

Speaker 3 (09:17):
And in fact, we have a dear friend of ours
who's an emergency room physician, and she said that the
number of whooping cough and all types of things which
we never saw before, a lot of them came and
are scene in folks from other countries who perambulate into
our borders. And they're from other countries and they aren't

(09:38):
themselves vaccinated. Kids need this now, how they're given the type.
I'm not going to argue at that point, But you've
got to be able to balance both. F Scott Fitzgerald
said that the sign of a super intelligent person, of
a superior intelligence is to be able to handle two

(10:00):
seemingly conflicting ideas simultaneously and not lose your mind. This
either or stuff is just nuts, And all of a
sudden people will say I'm against vaccines. Why And I'm

(10:21):
telling you, depending upon where you look, you will see
people mds, PhDs, people who really know their stuff and
you'll say, do I believe this? Should I take the
flu vaccine? Should they? I don't know what to do? Well,
good luck with this one. And they also don't realize

(10:41):
the fact that they're not a physician. See, everybody in
this country thinks I'm an expert. I get it all
the time, especially with legal matters. I get my law school,
my internet law school. I'm a lawyer. I'm an expert
in law. Really, Oh, yes, you're an expert or terrific.
Do you remember when COVID first started and people were

(11:04):
freaked out? Do you remember how people said or thought
to themselves? Is this going to be like the Spanish influenza?
Could we maybe seriously walk down the street and see
people just keel over dead? Is that possible? People were scared.

(11:24):
My wife and I didn't know. I didn't know a thing.
Let me tell you what I remember. A dear friend
of mine who was a physician at a local hospital.
Don't want to say which one, said that he and
he's kind of I think in akin to my degree
of skepticism and incredulity himself, and he's a physician. There

(11:47):
was a code word they used which didn't alarm people,
but it sounded rather innocuous. I don't know what the
sound was, or if it was like in the old
department stores, remember they had those little tones. I don't
know what it was. But he couldn't believe when COVID
first hit the first pass through before there was heard, immunity,

(12:12):
before everything. While the people who were the most susceptible,
people with co morbidities, the elderly, it just swept through
like because there's a star. As COVID too. We know
at least three people who were in the hospital where
their oxygen levels were down to nothing.

Speaker 6 (12:34):
It was real.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
COVID was real. But if you tell people, especially those
dare I say in the conspiracy realm Wow, that's it
was all inflated. Doesn't matter the plandemic was it a plandemic?
Could very well be. We'll never get to the bottom
of that rand. Paul makes some great overtures about gain
of function in Wuhan, and remember what markets and panga

(13:00):
and all this stuff pangolins. Excuse me, So what I'm
trying to tell you was this. This is our first lecture,
our first modality. Tonight. Please understand that life is a nuance.
It's a little bit of this, a little bit of that,

(13:20):
Yes and no. Was there a scam in many respects? Yes?
Did big tech and big pharma, big farmers you say,
make billions of this?

Speaker 4 (13:32):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Was it crazy to have introduced a lot of these
these vaccines without testing? Yes? Is there a certain degree
of conspiracy, Yes, conspiracy two or more guilty people conspiring
working together in the Confederation to bring something about Absolutely.
Is Fauci part of this? Oh yeah, Oh yeah he knew.

(13:55):
Is he some dupe, yes, you see, some minister of fraud.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
However he's not the only one, and it is not
based upon nothing. Now, all I know is there are
friends of mine who are physicians who you put out
any vaccine, they say, get it, get the flu, get
the shingles, get this, rabies whatever. They just believe in

(14:21):
it whole cloth. These are physicians. There are other people
who believe in nothing. Somewhere between that is reality. Somewhere
neath and between between the two is where we should
be think about that. We'll talk more about this. This
has been driving me nuts all week, and admittedly it's

(14:42):
not a very long ride. On numbers eight hundred and
eighty four eight nine two to two two coming up,
my friends. It is going to be Warrior Weekend with Lynshaw,
which is our I'm so happy this is This is
an absolute mainstay, and we've got something that is happening
this week here in the New York area and around
the country that will absolutely blow your mind. So stay tuned,

(15:06):
my friends. This is line Up with You on another
side of midnight already line Up with You and that

(15:55):
music that denounced the theme song for a weekend Warrior
Warrior Weekend, however you'd like to phrase it. This is
I think one of the most important and critical parts
of anything that I do because it deals with something
and deals with the subject matter which oftentimes is forgotten
for reasons I will never understand. We're joined by Lynz Warriors,

(16:19):
Lynswarriors dot Org, Lens Warriors on YouTube, and Lynn's Underscore
Warriors on next. You know, this is weekend Warrior Warrior
week and excuse me, we are sounding the alarm on
three stories. Every parent and every concerned Americans should be
watching very very closely. In New York, some lawmakers want

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to lift longstanding restrictions on are you ready bathhouses in
the name hang on of supporting gay culture. We're going
to ask what that would mean for public health, trafficking, exploitation,
and vulnerable young people. This is not about attacking anybody's adent.

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It's about asking whether safeguards are keeping pace with policy
that we're going to be heading to Capitol Hill, where
this week lawmakers advanced major child safety legislation, including the
Kids Online Safety Act KOSA. Lynz Warriors, survivor, parents and
advocates have fought for years to get Washington to listen,

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and now the question is whether Congress will finish the
job and get many full protections to the President's desk
rather And finally, it's a back to school season. Children
are returning not just to classrooms, but to laptops, ed tech,
ed tech platforms, algorithms AI, and programs such as I
Ready have you heard about these? Parents need to know

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what these systems are doing, what they are and what
data they collect and how much of the school day
is disappearing behind the screen and are parents really in charge?
So to give you an idea of that little adamiration,
that review of where we're going, it is my un
to bring to the microphones of the another side of
Midnight Show with my beloved, my wife full disclosure. Lynn

(18:07):
Shaw from Lynn's Warriors, My Darling, Welcome again to the
show that Never ends.

Speaker 7 (18:12):
Good morning. Line on my head is spinning with what
has been going on in the past week. Let's jump
in with these bath houses. Are you ready.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Interesting way of phrasing it. Yes, indeed, Well, look.

Speaker 7 (18:26):
New York City, may they say maybe reopening this debate
surrounding these bath houses something that is proposed by this
state senator and this assembly member. It's so ridiculous. They
want to repeal the restrictions dating back to the AIDS crisis.
Now I'm old enough to remember I'm being in New
York about these bath houses and the age crisis, the epidemic.

(18:51):
What happened with all of that. It was not that
long ago, okay, but what happened around nineteen eighty five
they closed down all these bath houses that affect actively
and sex venues. I'm going to say, and Saunas okay,
that openly kind of permitted sexual activity. So now we've
got these two okay here in New York and they say,

(19:12):
you know what, it's part of the gay culture. We've
got to bring back a meeting spot for the community.
And we also to get this one, Linel. We also
have to have a spot for our trans community. So
you know, this is a whole different thing forty five
years later, forty years later from from what you know,

(19:34):
the AIDS crisis, what that looked like. But now we
have all these different concerns. But here's the thing. You know,
this is expanding. This is what I want everybody to understand.
So we have learned so much. Any policy that creates
or expands any kind of anonymous sexual environment, and we know,
come on, let's all wake up everybody, this is the reality.

(19:56):
Anything that is expanding this, okay, deserve serious scrutiny through
the lens of what we know today, which is lots
of exploitation, trafficking, and vulnerability. Because we know today the
demand is for miners for kids. Okay, So who's going
to be watching making sure the miners kids aren't brought

(20:18):
into these places? Are there safeguards going to exist for people,
you know, being trafficked because we know that what you know,
if there's a demand, if there's a market for sexual activity,
we know it's supplying demand. We know we're going to
have traffickers and pimps and kids will get sexually exploited
and right now we're talking in particular, it will be
boys and young men. So who's responsible for all of this?

(20:40):
You know, predatory behavior and what happens when any kind
of venue is built around anonymity. It makes exploitation more
difficult to detect. We talk about that all the time.
So where are the legitimate child safety and publicity questions? No,
but I just want to say, this is the most
ridiculous thing. And again, and I just sort of point
out when when they say, you know, it's the gay

(21:03):
part of the gay culture and all that. Look, both
of us have plenty of gay male friends. None of
them want this right. So maybe the AIDS crisis is
in check for now, you know, with medications and what
we know, But there's so many other sexual disease things
that can happen.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Let me just add this. We're speaking of, as I
mentioned before, doctor Fauci, and the horrors that we went through.
You know, the other night, you and I were dining
in one of New York, one of New Jersey's finest establishments,
and on my way to the lou I saw much
of my chagrin and horror, an old adhesive sticker that

(21:43):
was a remnant where it says stay six feet apart.
Now we just remember, all of us, remember how we were.
We lost our minds with COVID wearing masks that proved
to do nothing. We went crazy. So you are talking
about it theoretically, not you, of course, but people theoretically

(22:05):
actually having a reintroduction of the bath house, which nothing
to do with the with the gay experience of the
gay culture was part and parcel of the proliferation and
the AIDS epidemic. And somebody wants to reintroduce this again. Yeah,

(22:26):
I mean, COVID is one thing, but bath houses say
it ain't.

Speaker 7 (22:30):
So not only like you know, before New York declares
these restrictions on relics, you know of the past, lawmakers
have to hear from This is very important, you know,
survivors and trafficking experts and public health professionals and law enforcement.

Speaker 8 (22:47):
You know.

Speaker 7 (22:47):
So progress cannot mean forgetting the lessons of history or
creating all these new opportunities for exploitation. It is the
most ridiculous thing in the world, you know, because look,
we need to become a strong society, not weaken it
in any way. And this we know is is just
a horrendous horror, and we'll bring in what I heard

(23:08):
years ago, you know, on the streets, so to speak.
Is they they quotations they want to make New York
City the sex tourism capital of the country. So we're
gonna have all these creeps in addition to the creeps
you know, we have coming flooding into New York City.
And then they're proposing on the west side. Okay, certainly,
let's put these bathhouses on the upper east side, but

(23:31):
the west side can you imagine this and these where
we still have you know a lot of open spaces
and empty warehouses and things of that nature. It is
the most ridiculous thing. A further you know, pushing on
society and destruction of society.

Speaker 6 (23:46):
We're talking to.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Lynn Shop from Lynd's Warriors, Lynswarriors Dot org Lin's Warriors
on YouTube and Lin's Underscore Warriors on x So. This
is again, this was part of the of the this
this trika of stories this week for us. Before we
move on, what do you see as the chance of

(24:08):
success of this. Is this one of those bills that
you think will go nowhere, or is there some very
serious threat of this actually coming to fruition.

Speaker 7 (24:16):
Oh no, I actually think this will at some point,
I don't know when, not in the you know, not
to in the distant future, come to fruition. And I'll
tell you why, Linel, Because before the COVID came, okay,
there was all this talk about legalizing brothels in New
York City. Legal which is legalized prostitution, which is legalized sex.

(24:38):
Mind which again I want to remind everybody, the demand
is from minors for kids. Okay, so just think about that.
But also again the talk of let's make New York
City the sex tourism capital of the United States. Then
we had that COVID period. Okay, then we're readjusting for
the last several years, and now they are ready to go.

(24:59):
They their playbook ready. They are going to push this.
The fact that they can even come out and say
they think this is a good idea. And this is
not about I want to I want to make sure
everybody understands this is not about the gay lifestyle or
any of that at all. This is about thinking that
this is a good public health you know, standard for people. Okay,

(25:22):
this is this is good for our trans community. This
is how is that I think how crazy that is?

Speaker 3 (25:29):
How is why is a bath house beneficial to the
trans community. I don't understand that way.

Speaker 7 (25:36):
Why they are so marginalized in our society. They are
so mocked. They they are so you know, they they
can't get places to live, they can't get jobs, that
we have to give them safe spaces. So and I'm
always in meetings, you know, well, let's work on giving
them those safe spaces, that education, that job opportunity. Let's

(26:00):
work with companies who will give them jobs. And of
course I'm met with faces, just blank stares on their face.
But this is what they want for a community. You know,
it's good enough to be hidden in the dark and
bath houses where we know. We have learned so much
about trafficking, predation, exploitation, and I want to keep saying
the demand is for children. So we know this is

(26:21):
going to happen and young vulnerable men and boys will
be trafficked. It would be a nightmare. I don't know
who thinks this is good for anybody, But you know what,
the public has to step up. We have to all
become warriors and we have to push back because the
playbook again is there for opening up all this open
sexuality in our faces. And you know what, it's not

(26:44):
about being a prude or anything like that. It's about
public safety, safety for our young people.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
We're talking to Lynch Shaw from Lynz Warriors Lyn's Warriors
on YouTube, Lynn's Underscore Warriors on x. Now let's go
to part two, the second part of this. We had
mentioned this. We talked about the Washington and some other aspects.
What else do you want to scare us with? What

(27:12):
other horrible news is there? And it is horrible news.
I'm sorry, I'm not going to sugarcoat it.

Speaker 7 (27:17):
Well when talking about bathhouse, it doesn't that sound ridiculous.
It sounds like some you know, gritty forty second Street
you see in movies from years ago, and it's all
back again. You know, we should want better for all
of us, but for our kids, our grandkids. This week
was a great week on Capitol Hill. We at the
Warriors have been working almost five years now on a

(27:40):
piece of legislation called the Kids Online Safety Act, Senate
Version seventeen forty eight. All the work is, you know,
bipartisan work on Capitol Hill. Everything we do it Lynd's Warriors. Okay,
it's about people, it's not about right, left, up down
political parties. But what happened is we finally had our
Senate committee hearing that is chaired by Ted Cruz and

(28:05):
Maria Cantwell, and they unanimously passed through the Kids Online
Safety Act, the Senate version, the version we've been debating
for the last you know, a year or so, where
the House removed those three important little wards of duty
of care, that big tech should put out a product
that they know, to the best of their ability, is

(28:27):
safe for kids and for all people, duty of care.
And the House removed those three little words. So now
it goes back, bounces back to the Senate. The Senate
finally because they're all going on recess or they've already
left already. Frankly, I was so afraid the hearing would
be canceled, it wouldn't be held. But they is one
of their last things they did on Capitol Hill passed
unanimously through the Senate. This is great news for the

(28:49):
room was filled with so many warriors, including those brave
survivor parents you know, tech tech policy experts and organizations
like the Warrior. But here's the important thing. Right now,
the good news means there's still work to be done.
We want it to happen in this Congress. It cannot
float over to the next congression and the bills if

(29:10):
they're not done in the Congress, you got to start
from the beginning again with the new Congress. So now
we have one point left. We are one step closer
to keeping kids safe online. The House and the Senate
now have to come together agree on the language and
then it goes to the President's desk for signature into law.
Now that's very sticky. Everybody's on recess now. There's lots

(29:33):
of work we're doing behind the scenes over the next
few weeks. But the House has a very different version
of how to keep kids safe online from the Senate.
So again we do need all our warriors out there,
contact your you know, elected representatives, House doc Gov, Senate
dot gov, just say we want Kids Online Safety Act.
Numbers count, voices count. But here's the thing, you know this,

(29:56):
this is really a no brainer. We have to as
we're sitting on a do something to keep our kids
safe online. Parents are the first line of defense. At
the same time, why should we allow big tech to
run them up, unregulated and harm our kids. We now
have the studies We now have the whistleblowers internal memos,

(30:16):
we've got everything. We've got thousands depending lawsuits against big
tech right now for harms caused to kids. So something
has to be done legislatively, and Kids Online Safety Act
is the best bill out there to do this.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Who is it that drafts these bills because many many times,
and I've learned this from just listening to you in
your colleagues, you have to deal with legislation that is
written primarily by big tech itself. So is this what
do you think as far as the robustness, if you will,
of this bill? Is it a good one? Does it

(30:52):
do the right thing?

Speaker 7 (30:54):
Of course, Kids Online Safety Accented Version seventeen forty eight.
I always throw that in because there were so many
different you know, the House gutted it and had their oldest,
horrible language in it. Things we won't even go into.
We don't have time. But this bill was started, you
know by bipartisan Senator Marshall Blackburn, who just received the

(31:15):
GOP nomination in the state of Tennessee for governor, and
also Senator Richard Blumenthal in Connecticut, and you know, sitting
down with their offices, and it would be you know,
lawyers in their offices and staff, and then organizations like
the Warriors. Fast forward, so we're talking about that was
close to five years ago. Now big tech is at

(31:37):
the table running. I'm saying this, really running Washington with
all their money on Capitol Hill. Because they employ so
many lobbyists. I've heard one for one lobbyist for every
four members of Congress. Now, if you read something, I'll say, well,
it's really one for every six. I've been told this

(31:58):
one for every four. Do you know money, it could
be one for every two. We don't know. These things
are a shrouded in mystery. What I think today in
the last few years is increasingly because they are so
welcome big tech. They have the power, they have the money.
They are there in Washington, embedded all over every day
of the week, in the ears of our elected officials,

(32:19):
legislative staff. I think today they have a big hand
in writing child safety legislation. Not the Kids Online Safety Act, Okay,
that I know for a fact, But we have other
We have other pieces of legislation coming forward, and they
look good, they sound good, they have good names, but
when you dig them apart, they actually are in favor

(32:41):
of big Tech. So it's very criminal what's going on
right now. And you know, I'm always saying, why can't
we just have something that's two three pages long? Three
hundred pages? Of course, and I'm not a lawyer you
are lying on. When we have three hundred pages for
a bill, there are plenty of loopholes with those lawyers
can swoop in. Big tech has lots of money, lots
of lawyers, right, it's a drop in the bucket lawyers

(33:02):
paying all these legal fees and things like that. So
why have these bills that are three hundred pages long
with the loopholes? Keep them short and tight with bullet points.
Kids Online Safety Act. I stand by Senate Version seventeen
forty eight. It is correct, it is good. Plenty of
other bills right now floating around. I think big tech
indeed did have their hand in helping to create.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
And if anybody is listening, by the way, we're talking
to Lyn Shawn from Lyn's Warriors, if anybody is listening,
they have to ask the question, why are the name
of God? Is there such a reluctance, such a pushback,
such of such a parity, an objection to legislation, to
protections for kids. Why can't kids safety Because by the way,

(33:49):
I just have to say this, I'm not going to
mention this. I'm not going to mention the name. But
there's a certain moron on a certain cable news show
where he was repeating the refrain that it's really up
to the parents, that the parents, you see, this isn't
about the devices. He sounds like just a shill for

(34:10):
big tech. This guy's just the Poltroon. But in any event,
he said, and people have said this before, I want
to say something very quickly. The difference legally that we've
seen as of late is that for the first time
in a long time, the argument is directed towards and
against the design of the platforms, not the content, meaning

(34:36):
it's the design. For example, when I say this all
the time, nobody is against medication or pharmaceuticals. Also, nobody's
against using or applying child safety caps to medication. All
that is is the design of the delivery system. Nobody's

(34:56):
against making guns safer. Nobody's gonna get rid of in
every walk of life, seatbelts, airbags, everything has a safety
component as to the design. But when it comes to
this like these poltroons on this one particular cable show,
these hacks, they repeat this drivel, this, mandra this rote

(35:21):
kind of an incantation that it's the parent job and
that drives me nuts. Granted, not a very long ride.

Speaker 7 (35:29):
Your thoughts, My thoughts are big tech. Again, it's a
crass answer, but it is the truth. Money drives everything,
and right now big tech has deep, deep pockets, deep
deepest okay, in all of society, not only Capitol Hill,
all around our country. And you know what they've left

(35:51):
the power. People like power and money. So here we
are today, and a reminder, you know, it is the
only business, big tech. It is unregulated. Whoever heard of
this linel? There's no guardrails. They're just allowed to run,
you know, wild. And this was born in nineteen ninety

(36:12):
six when we had something called, you know, section two
thirty the Communications Decency Act, where we had two platforms
in those days, thirty years ago. You know, grant that
you are just a billboard. You are a news stand
for third party content. But so much has changed, and
we have so many studies now improof of the harms
cause and still there, Yes, there's a movement to sunset

(36:33):
Section two thirty. That's next after the Kids Online Safety Act.
But it is so hard because listen, here's the bottom line.
Lots of people are making lots of money off of this,
and people like money. So it's been an uphill battle.
The amounts of money that big tech is spending lobbying
against child safety tells us they are scared. They are

(36:55):
scared because more Americans are awake to this, more government
is coming down on them. And again again that argument
of you know, age verification and my privacy, that's all
garbage because we know now our TVs are listening to us,
our microwaves are probably listening to us, that everybody has
your information or already everybody. So just calm down. This

(37:15):
is about the safety of children. So they are pushing
back big time big tech. But we have to keep
in mind we have to be trying to be ten
steps ahead of them. You know, AI is here. This
is the most frightening thing right now. So we've got
to put some legislation in place to address all of this,
and we have to do it now. We can't just
be cleaning up afterwards. We've got to get in there

(37:35):
ahead and it is a complete thing that we need
everybody in on We need everybody aware of what's going
on and how you must talk. If you do nothing
about any of this, you must talk in your own
home to your kids and just let them know about safety.
And you have to, you know, realize what apps they're
on to the best of your ability, because we know
it's overwhelming and hard to keep up with all of this.

(37:58):
But we're here at the Warriors to help you with
all of this.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
We're talking at lynd Shaw from Lyn's Warriors. And the
final the final part of this trio, this troika, this
triumph for it is what is happening regarding the actual website?
I'm missing it?

Speaker 4 (38:15):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (38:16):
What is our third component of this?

Speaker 7 (38:17):
I just it's back to school time. Come on, and
you know this time has gone. It's so shocking. But
you know, look, Georgia started this past week. We got
Florida starting next week. New York we start right after
Labor Day. And look, we know it used to be
the pencils, the notebooks were buying, the teacher standing in
the front of the classroom. But today back to school

(38:38):
means laptops, it means adaptive learning platforms, digital assessments, algorithms,
and enormous quantities of student data. And there's something called
ed tech and that's education technology everybody, and it is
embedded through American education and used properly, doesn't.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
Ed tech sound? Ed tech sounds good?

Speaker 7 (38:58):
Ed tech does that? Well? We were sold to bill
of goods for schools. Okay, that technology would this is
years ago, empower our kids. Everybody needs a chromebook. It
would make learning easier, would open the world up, It
would help teachers. But now we know, instead of the
actual teacher, the teachers are in the classrooms in many
cases monitoring. Believe, listen to this one, monitoring the kids

(39:22):
programs that they're in the classroom doing all day. That's
what I want to get at and what we're breaking
through right now. Again, we are pro innovation, pro technology.
We know, when used properly, tech can help a teacher
identify where a kid is struggling or give you know,
additional practice and make again resources available very quickly. But

(39:44):
parents now and rightfully so, are asking for about a
much more fundamental question, Linel, and that is when did
technology stop being a tool for teachers and start becoming
the classroom itself? And that's what I'm hearing about because
right now, there is a widely used program called I

(40:04):
Ready developed by this company called Curriculum Associates, And what
it does it combines computerized assessments of a child okay,
in reading, math, and then it uses this assessment to
create a personalized instruction day for the child, and it
gives the teachers the information they can use to guide instruction.

(40:25):
But again I want to remind everybody, this is technology.
This is not a person. Okay, this is a teacher.
What if a child is between you know, a subject matter,
it is a machine who cannot detect any of that.
You need a human being. So we're asking about screen
time in the classrooms, a student engagement, privacy, data collection.

(40:46):
Because here's the other thing about this program I Ready.
Right now, there is a major lawsuit going on because
in the beginning of a school year and I parents
is all the time you know this, linel, what did
you agree to in your child's classroom for online And
they're like, I don't know. I got a sheet. I
checked all the boxes. Okay, you check, you check Google,

(41:06):
you check YouTube, you check, you check roadblocks. Yeah, I
just checked. If it's in the classroom, it's okay. Parents
do agree to I Ready. It's used by millions of students.
Right now, here's the problem, there's allegedly allegedly right now,
the lawsuit is stating I Ready has taken all your
child's information and sold it. Because remember the money in

(41:27):
all this technology is information, that's the currency. And they
have sold your child's information to third parties, which means
for the rest of your child's life, their information is
somewhere out there being used to develop you know, all
this AI data and large language models. So look who

(41:49):
owns the technology in the classroom?

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Do you know what?

Speaker 7 (41:53):
Right now with this lawsuit and all that the classroom,
the board of ed, the school districts, they are owning
your child's information because you checked off I ready, but
you didn't agree to have I ready sell your child's information.
This is the crux of this lawsuit going on right now.
So we'll keep you up to up to date about that.

(42:14):
But that's a very scary thing because again that is
chipping away this front of the program, perhaps chipping away
more parental autonomy. So the child's classroom, the school owned
what happened in that classroom. That's your child's information, and
the parent has no right so again, a lot of
these child safety legislation bills, like our Child Online Privacy

(42:36):
Protection Act, again chipping away at parental autonomy. I thought
anything to do with minors, you know, against the lawn.
But something like this Child Online Privacy Protection Act. And
this is in the House right now.

Speaker 9 (42:50):
The Senate just.

Speaker 7 (42:51):
Fairly recently put this into legislation. Only parents have a
right to know online thirteen and under.

Speaker 10 (42:59):
What their child is doing.

Speaker 7 (43:00):
Okay, so what about the fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen year old.
You're not supposed to have a right to know what
your child is doing online. You probably bought that device,
you pay for the internet, the router. So this is
crazy stuff. The good news is parents are waking up.
Teachers don't like a lot of this, but they're afraid
for their jobs. They are going along with a lot
of this. There's a lot of controversy, but you know what,

(43:23):
everybody is beginning to come to the table. There's the pencil,
the paper program pushing back. People want textbooks again, they
want packages of assignments. You've got to talk to your kids,
you got to get into the schools, you've got to
be a partner.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Well, this is up this is per usual and absolute,
you know, listening to you as I trying to drink
from a fire hose, as they say, it's just an
incredible avalanche of information very quickly. Where can people hear
you and follow you during the week? And are you
on other shows or platforms that detail this by virtue
of the philanthropy and goodwill of certain of our favorite

(44:01):
media moguls, Well listen.

Speaker 7 (44:03):
We always have to thank John Kasmetidis and a Catsmetidi's
Faanley for supporting the Warriors, for allowing me to grace
the show every Sunday morning, the Cats round Table. The
Catsimatini's family is very invested in keeping kids and our
grandkids safe, so I have a wonderful platform. Thank you
Lionel for always giving me, you know, a voice to

(44:24):
share what's going on, because it is a lot of
information for the public to take in. But we can
all on the sidelines.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
We have to get involved.

Speaker 7 (44:31):
I mean, technology also serve children, not let technology.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
If I didn't do any better, I've seen you, Grace.
The pages of some of our are very important and
very critical New York publications and periodicals and tabloids as.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Of late M. M.

Speaker 7 (44:48):
Well yet well, of course we've got the New York Post,
thanks thanks to John Kasmatidi's taking these full page ads,
which helps us to engage the public, our warriors out there.
When we post phone numbers, you know, all the Senator,
call your state representative. It helps us with all of
our work. Every bit helps and we're so thankful to that.

(45:09):
And you can find me every day on YouTube under
everything is called Lynd's Warriors because I want everybody to
step up and be a warrior. Thank you, community, thank you, thank.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
You my darling, Lynshaw from Lyn's Warriors. This has been warrior.
Wee can thank you as usual, my darling, thank you
for your incredible work. I know because I live with you.
Thank you the beauties and I know what you're doing.
Thank you so much. People talk to you again next week.
Thank you, love you as well. Coming up more coming
up in an area of our culture that perhaps maybe

(45:38):
you have not thought of. So whatever you do, don't
think about moving on. Stay tuned. This is another side
of midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Guys, not busical.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
That I asked my friends shades of pee wee herman.
This is Lionel with you on another side of Midnight
eight hundred and eighty four, eight nine to two. Again
thanks to Lin Shaw from Lynz Warriors Lynzwarriors dot org
and of course Lin's Warriors on YouTube and Lin's Underscore

(46:44):
Warriors on next. Edward in Indiana has been waiting by
Edward wants to elucidate us with the latest regarding flu studies.

Speaker 10 (46:52):
I believe is that correct, sir, Hello, Lionel great grateful
to hear Lynn on the air. She's so so full
of information. No, I wanted to talk about an old
study from MIT that was published in National Geographic way
back about the speed of a sneeze in the contents and.

Speaker 8 (47:12):
Whatever.

Speaker 10 (47:12):
The effluents are really disgusting. The photography they did was
brilliant and back in the day, just to show and
fifty one hundred miles an hour the effluence can travel.
But they said it's worse to hold a sneeze in.
It hurts the throat and the blood vessels and such
than the people who did the polite you know, hold

(47:35):
the sneeze in and such. The women focus especially, It
is not recommended, but that's five to six feet distancing.
They were saying that was totally ineffective and that like
you said, like Lynn said, she beat me too.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Why was it ineffective?

Speaker 10 (47:52):
Because these things travel up to twenty seven feet. Whatever's
coming out of you and that tried to six feed
is very Uh it doesn't work, you know. And lind
said follow the money trail. And that's what it's all about,
you know. Uh, you know I used to watch Governor
Cuomo and his Midday and that was the worst. See,

(48:15):
so it's all about money. Talk about.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
Slow down, slow down, slow down, slow down. Are you
suggesting that we should have that the distances was were
greater than six feet, that it was far more contagious?

Speaker 9 (48:32):
What?

Speaker 3 (48:32):
What?

Speaker 10 (48:32):
What is the theme of what you were saying at
both sir and that you know, it's they just did
it so they could we could just keep on going
with our lives as we're in. Not too.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
So you're saying we should have been women. Are you
saying we should have been quarantined, that we should have
been farm I don't know.

Speaker 10 (48:51):
We should have been all been wearing bubbles, I know
another doctor.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
Wait an excuse me, it's not for a second. Wait
wait you want us to wear bubbles?

Speaker 10 (49:00):
The Bubble Boys were actually working with.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
The christ for a second, are you serious? Are you
saying yes or no? You wish we would have worn.

Speaker 10 (49:07):
Bubbles doctors that I know we're wearing.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Are you saying yes or no? Very quickly? Okay, thank
you very much, Ladies and gentlemen, have a nice day
that is patently profoundly insane by definition. More coming up
on another side of Midnight with meet Lionel, stay tuned, bubbles.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
I know, I know, I know, I know, I know,
I know, I know, I know, I know, I know,
LINE know, I know, I know, I know, and I know.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
Already line up with you. This is another side of midnight,
our number two of this thing of ours eight hundred
and eighty four, eight nine two. I was talking to
you before about something which I think is very very critical,
and that is the idea of what we celebrate in

(50:43):
terms of our American culture.

Speaker 6 (50:46):
You know this.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
Recently we had FIFA in the World Cup, and while
I don't know anything about football, soccer, whatever you want
to call it, I recognize the fact that, for whatever
it's worth, but you would agree with it or not
or whether you care, the entire world was focused on
this behavior, on a game, the entire world, the world

(51:12):
It stopped because of a game and if somebody came
from another planet and you would say to them, you know,
this is what we do. There are some things that
we become crazy over and I of course don't understand it.
But that doesn't mean anything. But I want to tell
you something which I am fascinated by, and it's something

(51:36):
which was so much a part of my life growing up.
This past week, on the fourth of August, it was
announced and this may not mean anything to you, but
former NWA National Wrestling Alliance champion Dory Funk Junior stillway

(52:02):
at the age of eighty five, I believe eighty five.
And what he did was he was during my childhood.
He was one of the greats. You see, I grew
up initially, which makes kind of no sense, but I

(52:22):
grew up in Florida or Tampa, not Tampa Bay, Tampa,
and it's the most it's the most unique place. Tampa's
ap Clearwater, but the West Coast, whatever you want to
call it, we didn't have. This was before the Buccaneers.
We didn't have any any any I don't know, organized

(52:43):
sports of sorts. Yeah, we had spring training and the Reds.
This is even I think before even before Steinbrenner and
the Yankees, but we really didn't have We had University
of Tampa football, but nothing. There was nothing except except
the greatest wrestling in the world NWA in the sixties

(53:09):
and seventies. It was phenomenal. And when you were a kid,
I was at I saw Dory Funk win the title
when he beat Gene Kiniski. I was eleven years old.
I was with my father and I remember this. And

(53:29):
when you were a kid and you see hulking men,
not in any way, not cut or jacked or no,
no six packs they drank a six pack. They didn't.
They was just enormous, enormous, big, just big. And you
could be up so close. And the venues were so small,

(53:53):
not small, but smallish. You could hear every slap punch,
you heard it, you could see because of the lighting,
spit fly blood you Actually there was a time when,
depending upon where you sat, you could actually get blood

(54:13):
on you if depending upon the mass, because sometimes it
would run around the ring, and that was called juice
in the biz, or to use the Carne language, jiazus,
and of course people who were in the business spoke
carnie or Kiazarni. It was a language of wrestling itself.

(54:34):
It was a part of our culture when you were
a kid. I was, and I remember one time going
I had no idea what this was and where I mean,
it's hot, there are people screaming. I'm looking at people

(54:55):
that I could still see this woman in my mind.
Maybe I'm embellishing this. She had like a MoMA on
and curlers and a terrot and people could smoke inside.
And she is yelling, flipping the bird and giving people
the finger and yelling every f laden expl stuff. This
is somebody's grandmother, and screaming and yelling and black and

(55:18):
white and everybody just in this.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
It was.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
It was a cacophony. It was an organic thing. You
don't know what that's like. Because Vince McMahon came along
and ruined it. Great for him, terrible for us. The
matches became campy and stupid and theatrical and satanic, and
he got rid of the blood and the juice and

(55:42):
the just it lost it. Plus you couldn't hear. You
couldn't hear somebody being slapped across the chest. The sound
of a punch, not the stuff you hear on TV.
But to hear it and see it and you realize,
oh my god. And people said, oh that's fake. And
you see somebody dropped on his back from higher toop.

(56:04):
He's hitting. Gravity cannot be faked. And I remember one
time after we saw the first match, I was exhausted.
I was just a kid. I had school the next day.
That was just the first match. Then I go to
the second and by the time at the end of
a lights out or the final, the closer lights out match,

(56:26):
or a Texas Death match or something that was like
the Biggie. This is all just to revue up. I
remember I came home. I couldn't sleep. My father told
my father, don't you ever do this on a school night.
I couldn't sleep. I thought to myself, I just saw somebody.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Killed.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
I remember one time walking out of the arena and
Johnny Valentine, remember Greg the hammer Valentine, this is Johnny's
was cut he of course I didn't realize this, but
people would have to. They would cut themselves. It was
a gaff or geaz aft. They would have a blade.
Normally you could tell if somebody had some kind of

(57:12):
tape on their fingers, you know there was gonna be blood.
Sometimes they had a blade or something secreted in their shorts.
I don't know where how they did that. Maybe they
would be in the turnbuckle, who knows. But he sat
there and he had a nice gaff, gash whatever in
his head and he was sitting there, collapsed in the corner,

(57:34):
and we left. We walked by, and I'm looking at
this man, sweat and blood, no tears, with blood pulsating
from a wound in his head.

Speaker 6 (57:48):
I'm ten years old.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
And he's just sitting there and we're walking by. We
didn't know what to say, like, Johnny, are you okay?
Can I call you an ambulance? Nobody, nobody cared. Now
let me ask you something. You want to go watch
FIFA be my guys want you want to watch the NFL?
Go ahead, you want to nothing Nothing was like this.

(58:15):
And Dorry Funk from Emeralow, Texas's brother Terry Funk, who
was just one of the greatest heels and wrestling, was
you just don't have it anymore.

Speaker 6 (58:24):
You don't have it.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
It's not here. I'm sorry, kids, it's You're never gonna
see it again. You never saw it.

Speaker 9 (58:32):
And in.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
During that time before Vince McMahon Vince Senior, his father
was there. He had the w W WF. And there
were territories around the country, actual territories, coalitions. You had
the nw A you had in Florida, this was Eddie Graham.
You had the Crocketts in North Carolina. You had verne
Gania in Minnesota, the a w A you had, and

(58:57):
Texas was Jack Atkinson, Devanne Erics, the whole family tragedy,
all dead, overdosed, I mean, just wild Bill Watson, Oklahoma.
Not really the West coast there wasn't it was. It
was East coast for the most part, or east of
the Mississippi, kind of like the way Coors beer used

(59:19):
to be distributed Saint Louis the quil Auditorium and in
New York Madison Square Garden. And it was something the
likes of which you'll never see again. When Pedro Mormiles
and Arnold Skull and then go on and on and
on and on, and when you grew up, this was
something that you just I'm telling you so years later.

(59:44):
I've worked with people, and I say this with all
due respect, but some of the dumbest people I've ever
met in my life were radio programmers, people who just
had no clue as to the culture none. I don't
know what they I don't know where they lived. I
don't know what planet they lived. I don't know where

(01:00:05):
they were raised, if they noticed anything. And I remember
there was some event one time, something that happened. And
one of these pds is a called Program Directors, which
it's a whole other realm. This Jadrool said to me,
nobody cares about wrestling, and I remember it was like

(01:00:30):
somebody hit me in the chest with an oar and
I looked at him and said, this was not very good.
I said, you are from a parallel universe. I never
want to visit. Do you know what you just said?
Do you know what you just said? It's like years
ago when Dale Earnhardt died. Anybody understands NASCAR, NASCAR is

(01:00:52):
it's ginormous. But because to their way of thinking it, well,
I don't go to NASCAR, and if I don't go,
nobody goes. And if I don't understand it, nobody understands.
This is why people think. When dal Ernhardt died, America stopped,
they wept. It was it was horrible. There were people,

(01:01:15):
there are things in our cultures. NFL yes, and baseball, yes,
but there are other things that we do. And when
this week, it was so funny. When I realized that
Dori Funk had died, I thought, oh my god, everything
just just flashed back, and I realized this part of
our society we're never going to see again. It was

(01:01:35):
so wonderful. And everybody has a grandmother or a grandfather
usually who would sit and watch this. And sometimes you
would say grandma or none now or no, no, whatever
you whatever you want to call them, you can't watch this.
This isn't good for your health. No, no, I like this. No,
don't black and white the old days. And then what

(01:02:01):
people don't understand how critical this was. Everything was interesting
until gorgeous George came along and changed everything post World
War Two. This flamboyant, blonde haired, golden Bobby pinned, he

(01:02:24):
had the robes, and he had this. He was basically
very effeminate, very fay, very dare I say, spin tree.
There's a host of great words for this, and he
was the inspiration from Muhammad Ali and Elton John and

(01:02:45):
Freddie Mercury and glam Rock and Elvis and Prince. He
was the first person ever to add flash panache. This
is gorgeous George, gorgeous George so much a part of
our culture and wrestling was a balance of good versus evil,

(01:03:10):
the Greek tragedy, the babyface versus the heel, the good
guy versus the bad guy, with rules sort of, with
a referee sort of, and with excitement with some of
the greatest performers ever. There is nothing today, not Broadway,

(01:03:33):
not a concert, nothing where they have to go out
and bring you to the end, to the edge of
your seat in a froth. Mick Jagger couldn't do it.
Nobody can do this. Yeah, people will scream, Yeah, people
will clap, Yeah, people will dance, But to have people
feel like they're going to pull their hair out, to
be able to put on a pageant where two people

(01:03:56):
are trying to make it look and they are so
good that they're trying to kill each other. And you're
watching this and there's a part of you that feels
relieved that they're not hurting themselves, because if they did,
you would feel ghoulish, you would feel kind of guilty
about it. But you think, to yourself, is this real?

Speaker 6 (01:04:15):
Is this nah?

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
But if but I'm watching it, what is it? And
before this proliferation of a shoe you know, interviews and
the destruction of k Fabe, which I'll explain it was
the closest guarded secret there was. Our number is eight

(01:04:37):
hundred and eighty four eight nine two two two. Do
you know what I'm talking about? Were you ever a fanatic?
And so the world of pro wrestling, depending upon which
part of the country you lived work coming up on
another side of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
What goes up must come down?

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
Spinning wheel gout to around that, of course, is a
great David Clayton Thomas who passed away recently from Blood,
Sweat and Tears. This was a Canadian who the greatest
compliment you could ever show, could sing soul in a
black style without sounding like he stole it, but he's

(01:05:58):
doing some faux so he was incredible. Bill Medley, Corey
Wells from Three Dog Night. These were people who had
a particular style different my friends. If you have noticed
as of late there was this interest in UFC, MMA,

(01:06:20):
marsh Bike's martial arts, jiu jitsu, you know, Joe Rogan
and Dana White, that sort of thing. And there are
these folks who are now into grappling and these tough guys,
and it's something which is very very interesting. In fact,

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it's a wonderful I think, kind of a return, so
to speak, to the sort of the glory days of this.
I am profoundly unimpressed. I don't know why I would
rather watch boxing than that. I've never caught on. But
they fancy themselves as being able to get on the matt.
They want to get you down. They can do chokes,

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and they can do a variety of things and you're
gonna and they have califlower ears. In fact, there was
an organization called the Califlower Ear Club where professional wrestling
they meet every year. They used to where you have
all these old timers and uh. I one time went
to one with my friend Gordon Solian. Who was there

(01:07:24):
was Joe Scarpaugh, also known as Chief Jay Strongbow. He
was yet another Italian pretending to be an Indian. Remember
the fellow Iron Eyes Cody, Remember when you were a
kid in the sixties. He was the Indian and the canoe.
He had the tear coming down his face. He's he's Sicilian.

(01:07:46):
I don't know why they he looked Indian, I guess anyway,
And professional wrestling, we'll talk about that later. But the
guy that I met one of the scariest people ever
to look at him, and even he was a little
bit older than to look at him and think, okay,
he was dangerous. He was a hooker. And in professional

(01:08:08):
wrestling talk, this is the ultimate. His name was louth
Thez and Louthz held the longest run in the NWA
for the title. This is when it mattered because for
you to even be I mean, there have been some grades,
Harley Race and Dory Funk, who was the second longest.
Lou Thez held it for twenty three hundred days, and

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there were others who were interesting. He held it twice.
But let me explain to you why this fellow was
so interesting. Again, he looks He looked like a like
a like a kind of an N shaped man. But
he was a killer. And what happened was he was
called a hooker. And in the world of professional wrestling,

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these people don't even exist anymore. He was He was
taught by Ed Strangler Lewis, who was the the George
Washington of hookers. And what a hooker was was in
the old days of barnstorming. He would go around the
country and they would have somebody who would be at

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carnivals and different events, and he would challenge someone, if
you can beat this fellow, you can win a backam
or whatever. I don't know, and he would have to
lose during the day and at night he says, okay,
I'm done with this, and he would cripple you, break

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an ankle, do things that you submit, submission holds things
you can't even imagine. And if he were in and
it would not necessarily bring blood though he could. This
guy was a killer and he was lost because he
wasn't flamboyant, but if he knew what to look for,

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he was so scary. And that's how these people used
to be in the old days. The Carl gotchiz. These
people were from European theaters. They were unbe believable. That
was interesting. Also to note, which is critical, is that
as this developed, it lost a little bit of its

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luster when TV came, well, when Vince McMahon came and
destroyed it because it became too flashy to whatever you
want to call it. But what was the best about
it was that it brought people in black, white, young, old,
and people would lose their minds and it's something which

(01:10:40):
I was just thinking during my age. It's over with.
And I sometimes will go and see online various thanks
to YouTube, I can see some old matches. There's one
thing about wrestling which was so smart. They realized that
you somehow had to go beyond just the story during
Do you remember what it was like at the height?

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Only wrestling could do this at the height of the
Iranian hostage scare not scare? What am I saying? The hostage?
Take or or take take over, whatever you're gonna call it.
And they had sergeants slaughter against the Iron Chic. An
Iron Chek was actually a real Iranian. He was part
of the Shah's bodyguard. He's no kidding, he really was not.

(01:11:26):
It wasn't a joke because a lot of these people
embellish things left and right. There was the Iron Chek
and then there was the original Sheek. And the original
Shek was out of Detroit. Who was the greatest and
all he did was come out. He never spoke a word.
The most ed Farhat I believe it was his real name,

(01:11:48):
The scariest one to ever see. He would take pencils, knives,
blades and it would basically come into the ring and
just slice people's heads open. I'm not kidding you. And
if you think I remember somebody said years ago, oh
that's chicken blood and chicken blood. First of all, the

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idea of sepsis, and god knows what blood born pathogens
are going to come into play with chicken blood. And
not only that, you would well, they would bite down
on a blood capsule. They would say, these things. You
can't produce this much blood. You can't do it. So
this was scary stuff. And these people they had their

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lives threatened. And one time in the ring, what used
to be called a shoot was when two people are
in there really fighting it up, and you had to
know what to look for. There were people who were
really interesting. There were different phrases, as you can imagine.

(01:12:52):
I mentioned the language of Kiazarni being able to speak
if I'm in the business. You know how in the mafia,
supposedly they say when you introduce somebody, this is a
friend of ours versus a friend of mine. When you
you know how it is, if you say a friend
of ours, that means he's he's he's already made straightened out,

(01:13:13):
got his button, got his badge, whatever, whatever. The phrase
you want to use. He's a member. He's a sworn
member in wrestling. If I introduce somebody to you, and
this is somebody who is a fan, somebody who's on
in the business, he's a mark or a Miazark, and
that is a is this a kind of a reference.

(01:13:34):
If you meet a fellow wrestler, you have to mention miazark.
If you're in the business and you know you're smart
or smazart. It was so well documented. If a if a,
if a promoter found that you were seen with your opponent,

(01:13:55):
if you're a babyface or a heel and you're traveling together,
remembers Ago who was at Hacksaw, Jim Duggan. I think
in the Iron Chic they were arrested. I think in
New Jersey or the Turnpike or something. What bothered people
the most, not not the drug, not the drug possession
per se, or the alleged drug possession, but that a
babyface and a heel were traveling together.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
It was so.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
Protected, and then came the Internet and it destroyed it.
I mentioned this last week the idea of organized crime,
the omerta, not ohmerta, but oh mareta, the code of silence,
in the mob, in the els and mafia, whatever you
want to call it, that's all shot. Because you have

(01:14:40):
people today doing podcasts and talking about what they did
and they were with this family and that family. It's
over with. It's done. If it may not seem like
much to you, but when you see professional wrestlers explaining
how they either matches were arranged to finish it the referees,

(01:15:01):
it is considered to so many people to be a
vile kind of a what's up? Just a violation of
the rules. There is you can't believe this. Years ago,
to show you something to the world of professional wrestling,
is this everything goes. The professional wrestler himself was somebody

(01:15:27):
who was always pulling a rib. Their world is an angle,
a rib, a work. They have to deceive you. It's
the greatest, the greatest, I guess subject, the greatest analogy,
the greatest piece ever. Years ago. We used to talk

(01:15:49):
about this, but I used to tell my good friend
at the time still is I have it talked to
him in a while. But Curtis Lewa when he was
doing the Guardian Angels thing, this was professional wrestling. This
was a character, This was the babyface. Sometimes it gets
There are roles you have to play and what people

(01:16:09):
don't understand, especially when it comes to what we do here.
You have a role to play. What is your work,
what is your angle? What are you trying to put out?
What is your take? What is your persona? And you
have to sell it every single day. Life is professional wrestling,

(01:16:29):
good versus evil. If you watch cable news, it's the
good guys versus the bad guys, classic wrestling, for example,
on cable news, Iranians bad bad, nothing good about them,
no Persian history, nothing bad guys. Who these bad guys?

(01:16:54):
Hezbollah bad guys. That's it, all of them, bad, crazy, evil,
There's no wiggle room. That's the way wrestling works. You
can't be you can't be unsurius. We see a good guy,
see a bad guy, We're not really sure. And history,

(01:17:16):
historically and hysterically also, I found fascinating when I was
a kid and I had no idea about I didn't
know who World War what World War II was about.
I didn't know there were these groups of people. And
if you've ever seen professional wrestling in the old days,
there were certain themes. If you wanted to be a German,
if that was your style. You had to shave your head,

(01:17:39):
you wore black tights, and you were known for one thing,
and one thing only, the claw. You would take your
hand and grab somebody by the head and squeeze their
head until they were unconscious or whatever. That's what you did.
Baron von Roschki, go down the list. They were all
the Germans, were all Nazis, and they would grab your head.

(01:18:01):
I don't know why they just did this. Years ago
there was a group called the von Bronners and they
would do a lot of different things. They were managed
by a fellow named gentleman Saul Weingroff. He was a
Jew representing Nazis, even wore a Nazi helmet. History meant
nothing to these people, meant absolutely nothing. Nobody cared, nobody.

(01:18:26):
We had Koreans, Samoans and Tongans are always wild, crazy haired, frantic,
step on you. Pompero, Firpo, Haku or Ming, the dangerous,
the most dangerous wrestler in the toughest to day and
to date historically. Barn None is a fellow name by

(01:18:51):
the name of Haku or Ming or Meng. Now, for
those of you who speak Sicilian, if I Sayming, it
is a different conference, different connotations. He one time famously
was alleged to have bitten a man's nose off in
a in a barroom fight. Absolutely did did. I mean,

(01:19:12):
just the most dangerous person anybody's ever seen now, and
that angle brought them, brought people into that, that reputation
came into the ring. So we had I've seen this
growing up with something which I guess I didn't know who.
The good guys were, the bad guys, the greatest performers

(01:19:32):
ever and some of the greatest athletes ever. Try going
an hour an hour running around with a bunch of
people at the ring at ringside, but they used to
be called ring rats. The girls, the women who would
go from from arena to arena were called arena rats

(01:19:53):
or these were the groupies who oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
This this was so.

Speaker 6 (01:20:00):
Huge.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
Later on it kind of it would break down into
outlaw kind of lower versions of this in high school matches,
pretty lower case, if you will. The reason why this
is important to me was the fact that there was
nothing today like that. And this is before anybody worried
about violence. This is when America was tough. This is

(01:20:24):
when we used to say this is great. This was fun.
We weren't afraid. We weren't wearing helmets when we rode
a bike. I know that's safe. We weren't worried about things.
We weren't worried about anything. We were tough, and we
celebrated it and we loved it. And women and men.

(01:20:46):
I'm telling you it was one of the most ecumenical
things you've ever seen in professional wrestling. Didn't matter if
you were black or white, as long as you're good.
They had women against each other. Mulah, what's her name,
Oh God, the fabulous Mula was one in the I
forget the oldest, Oh God, Dolores or Doors. They had midgets, midgets,

(01:21:12):
sky lo low little beaver, midget women, every conceivable political
correctness meant, nothing meant. And they had deaf wrestlers and
they didn't have blind but they had people with different
handicaps or people who were It was also cheating and

(01:21:33):
the world of the referee. The referee was the most
important part of it. And I'll tell you why. The
referee was the guy in the middle who knew the
finish and he would tell you what you were trying
to convey to your partner. We know the finish. We
know in five minutes, ten minutes, whatever it is, we

(01:21:54):
know how I'm going to end. I'm going to put
you over. You were going to win, but I've got
this tell it. I've got to bring heat. As they say,
I can't just pin you. It's got to be built up.
That's where our ring savvy comes in. We know the end,
we know the result, but how do we get there?
So sometimes I'm telling you what to do in the ring.

(01:22:17):
I'm talking to you. Sometimes you might miss it. The
referee is listening, he understands, he can convey it. He
is the general, he knows exactly where this is going.
He's probably more important than anything else. And the referee
was so good that if the audience didn't like a
particular end or particular result, he would turn to the

(01:22:39):
audience and ask them what do you think? And you
can actually change decisions by virtue of applause. Imagine Yankee
stadium strike. You're out boo Okay, maybe not? I loved it.
You suspend every aspect of reality. Rob is in White Planes. Rob,
You're on another side of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 6 (01:23:01):
Rob.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
I think you understand what I'm talking about, don't you.

Speaker 11 (01:23:05):
I do, I do, absolutely. But are you related to
Lionel Hampton.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
Yes, he's my twin brother.

Speaker 4 (01:23:13):
Rob.

Speaker 3 (01:23:13):
You have a wit, Rob, you have a Witel Barrymore,
Lionel Hampton, Lionel, you are a Seriously, you have been
given a sense of humor that is very dangerous. Don't
abuse it. Very few people have your insight.

Speaker 11 (01:23:30):
I try to have to abuse anyone anyway. Brunho san
Martino was at the Westchester County Center. I was about
twelve years old. After the show and it was a show,
I guess. He was in a parking lot and I
asked him for his autograph, but no paper. We had
no paper. He wrote it on the back of my
T shirt. I moved out of the house after I

(01:23:51):
got married, right and.

Speaker 8 (01:23:55):
He died.

Speaker 11 (01:23:56):
I went to my mother. I said, okay, where are
my clothes? And she gave my clothes to good Will.

Speaker 10 (01:24:00):
Oh no, he was he rememory quickly.

Speaker 11 (01:24:06):
Do you stop for a second.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
Stop for a second, stop, stop stop. I want somebody
I want you to explain to Can you hear me?
Can you hear me when I'm speaking about okay, I
want you to explain to somebody who's listening. Right now,
who says, I don't know who this person is, how
big was he?

Speaker 4 (01:24:27):
And what was it?

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
All?

Speaker 11 (01:24:29):
A kid in the Northeast. I don't know about down
where you were, Linel, but in the Northeast he was god.
You could get his name on a poster and everyone
they would fill the county set a three thousand seats.

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
But he now think about this, Was there anybody else
in any other sporting venue that meant as much? I'm sorry,
I'm sure Babe Ruth was more popular. But remember when
he and people like Arnold Scholand and others I'm trying
to think of of who would have been in this
particular general they could sell out the garden without fail.

Speaker 4 (01:25:11):
I mean, that's right.

Speaker 6 (01:25:13):
You almost had just here.

Speaker 11 (01:25:15):
Who was there were fighting that night?

Speaker 8 (01:25:17):
If they were there, you were there, Rob.

Speaker 3 (01:25:20):
I thank you, my friend, and thank you for your
rape y'ar wit eight hundred eight four eight nine two
to two two.

Speaker 12 (01:25:26):
This is this is the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:25:28):
You know, when you talk to people in this country
and you say who was the greatest, who was the
most popular athlete of all time? And we would say, oh,
Muhammad Ali or Babe Ruth. It's like no Pele because
more people knew who he was than anybody else.

Speaker 6 (01:25:43):
And in our world, what.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
These people represented. This was not an athlete. This was
an athlete meets performer meets I don't know what the
world is. I had the opportunity. It was very good
friends with Bobby the Brain. Heenan knew him very very well.
We worked together, and I was tangentially I did not know.

(01:26:10):
But I was in the same company or the same
area with Andre the Giant. And there is nothing I'm
telling you that's a whole I could do a whole
show on that.

Speaker 4 (01:26:21):
One.

Speaker 3 (01:26:23):
One of the saddest stories, but one of the most
incredible drinkers you have ever seen. I think he holds
the record for how many beers he.

Speaker 11 (01:26:39):
He could.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
I mean, he was just infamous, but changed the course.
And these people, by the way, this was this was
international and if you think they're big here in Japan,
you can't even get near it. Bob and Queen's Bobby.
You're on the the other side of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 9 (01:26:58):
Hello Linel, listening to your show, and I'm thoroughly enjoying
it because well I'm seventy five years old. But I
was a huge wrestling fan back in the day, and
so many of these names that you're bringing up, I
so remember so well, and it was just great. It

(01:27:20):
was terrific stuff. I mean, when you were talking about
Lou Says and all, and when he ruled the NWA
for many years, it was all I talked. They were
trying to hook him up against San Martino at the
time when San Martino was the champ of the w
W WF, remember right.

Speaker 4 (01:27:39):
And also.

Speaker 9 (01:27:41):
It came to mind that you may recall the famous
I used to go to many matches with it a
good friend of mine at the old Madison Square Garden
on Fide Street and Eighth Avenue.

Speaker 6 (01:27:53):
Wow.

Speaker 9 (01:27:54):
Yeah, But a little before that, I wasn't in attendance
with this. Remember the famous riot at Madison Square Garden
that pitted doctor Jerry Graham, Wow, the bruiser sure against
Antonino Roca, who was huge in New York and I
think he was he.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
Was he was Ariel. He would hang on a second,
he would do famous or flying drop kick, remember that one.

Speaker 6 (01:28:22):
Luke Graham.

Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
Remember there was doctor w was Jerry Graham, Eddie Graham
they weren't related and uh and Dick Dick the bruiser
if I recall Dick the Bruiser, didn't he die tragically.
He was working out and a barbell fell on his
neck in his legs, This huge Dick the Bruiser. These

(01:28:48):
they were just hulking people. But tell me about the riot,
tell me about that.

Speaker 9 (01:28:53):
Well. So yeah, so you know, wrestling even this was
probably if I had a guess, towards the late fifties.

Speaker 5 (01:29:00):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:29:01):
Uh, and even certainly back then, uh they would sell
at Gardon now you know, pretty much just about every
month because they had the matches every month.

Speaker 4 (01:29:11):
And so uh.

Speaker 9 (01:29:12):
It pitted the Bruiser and uh and doctor Jerry Graham, who,
by the way, him and his brother Eddie Graham, if
you remember, but they looked well similar, but they weren't
really brothers.

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
It was also crazy you remember crazy Luke Graham. There
were the Graham brothers. They were not brothers, correct.

Speaker 9 (01:29:33):
Right, right? And so uh so again the Bruiser and
doctor Graham against Antonino Rocker and I believe Miguel Perez
because Rocker and Perez were a famous tag team back then.
And the Bruiser and and doctor Jerry Graham. From what

(01:29:53):
I recall, we're doing some really crazy things bringing bringing
both Rocker and was close to death right in the
ring and relentlessly they wouldn't give up. The fans started
going crazy and they they had to stop the match.
They ended up barring Dictor Bruiser from ever wrestling in

(01:30:17):
New York again. Okay, wow and yeah, yeah it was great.
Well so they say so they oh, so, they say, right, Richie,
have the story.

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
I remember he died in Tampa. He was Dick the
Bruiser was sixty two years old, a young man. He
was lifting weights, the weight slippers, I mean. He died
of internal hemorrhaging. It crushes esophagus. It's a very tragic,
tragic case. Thank you, yes, yes, I thank you so much.

Speaker 11 (01:30:47):
For your call.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
Let me tell you about this one. This was the one,
the thing that I saw, which this is a true
true story. There was a again in wrestling in the
old days, there was nothing they would not do. There
was nothing that was tacky, nothing that was excessive. There
was a fellow you might have known him. His name
was Steve Kern. You might have known him as Gator Current.

(01:31:10):
He had some I don't know his gimmick was he
was a trapped gators or something. His father Colonel Kern
was in Vietnam. I think he was a Vietnam pow.
It might have been World War Two as well, but
a legitimate, a legitimate actual because you know, we didn't

(01:31:31):
know what to believe. There's one thing about wrestling. You
don't believe anything nothing. It's everything is a lie, everything
is prevarication, and it's nonsense anyway. So when he came out,
Steve Kern when his father, when he was growing up,
he was raised and helped tremendously by Eddie Graham, who

(01:31:54):
also he died tragically commit by suicide, his son, Mike Graham,
his grandson. It's that these stories in real life. Okay,
So Steve Curran has his debut, his father is there,
Gordon solely the greatest announcer ever. Here's the angle. They

(01:32:15):
bring out Colonel Current. They had to talk him into it.
He's a pow or he comes out and Steve Current says,
I'm so glad that I'll be able to wrestle in
front of my father. Welcome back, You're an American hero.
And they're playing this up like you can't believe. A
fellow named Bob Rup came out. It said something to

(01:32:38):
the effect of you know, this man's a coward anybody
who lets himself be you know. They claim that Trump
said I I'm McCain, but he didn't. This was unequivocal.
I can't go into detail, but there were a lot
of people who took it very seriously. And in Tampa

(01:33:00):
the time, we have a play head. It's called McDill
Air Force Base. Now it's called Sentcom. And there was
a lot of people there who heard this and didn't
care for it. I'll just leave it at that. When
this match came out, when Bob Roup said that, Steve
Kerrn came out, screamed, looked, almost cried, how dare you

(01:33:24):
blaspheme to smirch my father a legitimate pow. He said,
I demand a lights out match. Lights out match means
that at the end of the evening they symbolically turn
the lights off for just a second to mean that
all quote MWA sanctioned matches are over. What you're about

(01:33:45):
to see is done outside of the auspices. We're not
going to take any responsibility. Whatever happens happens. If somebody dies,
it's their problem. Lights out match. I was there front row.
I'm going to tell you something I wanted to be.

(01:34:05):
If this was fake, I'm sure it might have been exaggerated.
This was the greatest performance in the history of human theater.
He took this universal, the strap of the Universal. You
know that the wrestlers were wrapped it around his neck,
and I swear to god, his eyes were rolling back
in his head. I'd never seen anything like that. People

(01:34:27):
were losing their minds. I was in this room. I've
seen a lot of things in the concerts, been to Broadway,
been to I don't know, you know, different venues, different events.
I have never been in a room where the organic

(01:34:49):
this connectivity. It was like watching I guess, the closest
thing to a colosseum, or or gladiators or something. I
think people were actually calling for blood. Now you're thinking
this guy's exaggerating, I'm not. And I was in college.
I'm not even. I'm not even. I wasn't a kid.

(01:35:10):
Then it was the greatest event I've never seen anything.
I wish I could have taken my wife because she
hears me talk about this. And then the people that
I've worked with, and you know, they're they're just there.
There is a breed of entertainer. Take take some of
the best sportsman ever, great athletes, many of them either

(01:35:35):
some were Olympians, some were collegiate, and put them in
this venue and it's like nothing you've ever seen before.
And you either know what I'm talking about or you don't.
And the sad part is we will never see the
likes of this again. This was a part of our
American culture and around the world as well, but not

(01:35:57):
like here. And it's so quintessentially prototypically American. And if
ever you saw that, you saw something like again, I'm
saying you will never see again. It's gone, It's done.
Nobody does this anymore. Our number is eight hundred and

(01:36:18):
eighty four, eight ninety two to two. Also coming up
a very critical story as we look to back to school.
This is linel with you on another side of midnight?

(01:37:05):
How are you lying over with you on the other
side of midnight? You know Casey in the Sunshine Band,
Casey is still doing his thing. I think he's on
cruise ships. There has been this, this plethora of stars
who don't know when to stop. Have you seen Celine
Dion Leiley? Oh my god, as we say Mischiina, she's
oh bad, bad, Barry Manilow. He looks like he's got

(01:37:31):
a rubber mask on.

Speaker 6 (01:37:33):
Horrid.

Speaker 3 (01:37:35):
Frankie Valley, the worst of the worst of the words.
Finally they had to pull the plug. They did the
same thing with Glenn Campbell. They were trying to run
Glenn Campbell. Oh, his family just kept, you know, pushing him.
He was really, really bad. And we're seeing this more
and more and more. Madonna's kind of maybe close. There's
there's a point when you've got to say stop. But Casey,

(01:38:00):
he bless us hard. He weighs about three hundred pounds
and he's still doing his boogie. He's on cruise ships boogie.
I think he was out of Miami. And I could
never understand what is this fixation with boogie? Do you boogie? Boogie?

Speaker 6 (01:38:13):
Nice?

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
Boogie? Ugi oogie. I still don't know what a boogie is.
Get on the floor and boogie. Everybody wants to boogie.
I didn't even know what that means. Now coming up,
my friends, this is back to school. And if ever
there's something that if I could be president for one

(01:38:34):
reason and one thing, I don't know, even if president
has jurisdiction over this, I would take school. And when
I got done with it, you wouldn't recognize it. We
are so behind the world right now. And the question
I have is, was there anybody in your life, a
teacher who made the biggest impact on you, that change

(01:39:00):
in your life? Do they exist anymore? I'd like to think,
So let's talk about that and everything we've talked here
before on Another Side of Midnight wood Wine.

Speaker 2 (01:39:31):
M hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:39:42):
I know, I know, I know, I know, I know,
I know, I know, I know, I know, I know,
I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I.

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
Know I know.

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
Already all I know would do. This is the third,
the final hour of this installment, of this version of
Another Side of Midnight, this thing of ours eight hundred
and eighty four, eight nine two. My friends, I don't
know about you, but I'm finding myself more and more

(01:40:23):
tending to wax nostalgic, just looking back at what is better,
what is worse. I certainly would not want to go
back to everything in the past. I do not want that.

Speaker 6 (01:40:37):
I think that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
While we say terrible things sometimes and for good reasons,
about the Internet and various aspects of that, when it
comes to research, when it comes to the compilation and
the codification of information. There's no way you can beat
what theoretically could be available online versus you going into

(01:41:01):
the dusty stacks of a library which may or may
not have the particular book you're looking for. I think
things are much better in terms of that. My ability
to access music today is exponentially greater than anything in
the past. But there are some things which, unfortunately you

(01:41:23):
cannot see. I don't know why I'm finding myself not
interested in attending any concert, maybe because the people who
were who are performing I don't particularly care for. But
there was a time when people actually had to be musicians.
It was a different time. But my access to music
now is better than it ever was. Spotify is the

(01:41:46):
greatest things ever ever come about. Not only that, but
just other you know, Apple Music and this and that,
and even you know, Amazon Music. But your ability to
access scores and scores of algorithm like music settings are wonderful.

(01:42:08):
Things are so much better now in many respects. But
there's a couple of things. As I mentioned before, the
second hour, professional wrestling nothing, there's nothing like it today.
You cannot see that, you can't see it on TV,
you can't go It's just the storyline and they don't
know any better. And I appreciate that. I appreciate what
Vince McMahon tried to do then. But the other day

(01:42:31):
we were walking my wife and I I forget what store,
and I said, oh, back to school? Is that back
to school? Already? Seems like they're going back to school
earlier and earlier, which made me think, why do we
have school? Which made me think what would I do
if I could change things? And I am so lucky
in many respects. I didn't realize this at the time,

(01:42:53):
but I'm lucky that I attended parochial school, Catholic school
growing up. At the time, I thought it was horrible.
We had uniforms and the nuns. I did not understand
who these people were. These were actual nuns with cardboard
and black veils, and they were just they were just

(01:43:14):
incredible and they represented something which were just beyond anything
you can imagine. And it was so much better. And
if we had them today like I had, it would
be a better place. They changed me, They set me

(01:43:35):
on a course.

Speaker 6 (01:43:37):
It was the best.

Speaker 3 (01:43:39):
We never had anybody acting out, nobody ever skipped a grade.
Some people were held back. I remember somebody went we
heard that this one kid. I don't know if it
was true or not, but they always told us this
one kid was held back because of his handwriting. I
couldn't understand that our ability to compete in the world
today is just so pathetic because the fundamentals of what

(01:44:07):
education used to be, it's completely gone. If you follow
the story of this charlatan, this con, this ersots, this fictive,
this pretend, this Cambridge scholar who claims to be autistic.
I mean it is a story which is so he's black.

(01:44:28):
He's black, and everybody is so interested in promoting him
that they realize he's a con. So what he's doing
is of course making the on the onslaught of this
to be race related. Somewhere along the lines, we lost
the schools, we lost what it was. And if I

(01:44:49):
could be the president, if I could run this country,
I would make sure that we had a different system
where we would identify people, people who are really talented,
and I would treat them the same way that we
treat somebody who is an athlete. We live in the
country of some of the stupidest people I've ever heard.
In fact, it is okay, I hear mispronunciations. I hear

(01:45:12):
bad English, I hear people who are barely able to
cobble together as a sentence, and it's acceptable. I see
right now where profanity has somehow been elevated to some
status that we look at admirably. Flipping people off, f bombing.

(01:45:33):
I'm not a prude. I will argue that in some
respects the ability to curse to something which is critical
for you to get along in the world. You have
to you have to be able to speak and to
converse via Dare I say copprolalia as it is called,

(01:45:53):
but to for it to replace regular thinking? No, have
you ever received an email from somebody or text? You're saying,
what does this even mean? People can't even write today.
People can't write if you if you possess a vocabulary
that used to be considered eighth grade. This was maybe

(01:46:15):
around the the in the turn of the centuries, or
maybe in the forties or fifties, and certainly certainly not
in the nineteenth century, which you would have been considered
almost pedestrian. You're considered showing off. Why are you saying that?
Why are you showing off? Why are you daring? If
you're a logo dentalist, a siscapadalian, if you're a logo file,

(01:46:38):
if you're a oh my god, why are you doing this?

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
Why are you.

Speaker 3 (01:46:43):
Using big words? We live in an anti intellectual world
of chuffs and churls and bores and the idiots all
over the place. I'm telling you, good luck, good luck
trying to do anything about that at all. So, as

(01:47:06):
parents get their kids ready for a new school year,
ask yourself are they learning anything? And looking back in
your life, was there ever a teacher, a person, someone
who affected you positively for the rest of your life,
open something up, allowed you to see something or think

(01:47:30):
something that nobody else did. So we'll take that. We'll
piggyback on what we've spoken about here before, and let's go.
If I could, to Charlie in Bayside, you're on another
side of midnightwood Linel.

Speaker 12 (01:47:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:47:45):
Back in the seventies, when I was in grade school
or middle school, me and my friend Craig, we were
the nerds, I guess, and we were watching wrestling on
child forty one luciabre Spanish commentators and it was funny
and and we didn't understand the word, but we enjoyed it.
And we had all the old timers there, Chief k Strongbow,

(01:48:07):
mister Tanaka.

Speaker 8 (01:48:09):
We really for all the.

Speaker 5 (01:48:10):
Little guys that were fast and not bulky, and it
was wonderful back then. And years later I have a
friend who became a chef in Atlanta, and all the
rest of us will come in there and all the
bad guys, I'm good guys will be at the same table.

Speaker 12 (01:48:26):
Oh no, no, see, yeah that is something Seek and
Sergeant Floyd at the same table. Yeah, that they were
all friends, off the off the camera.

Speaker 3 (01:48:38):
I wish. And by the way, thank you for your call.
Do you know how in the old days that was
sober boat and that would have gotten you fired for
you to publicly show that. K fabe k fabe ky
fabe was the phrase for maintaining the mystery, the storyline

(01:49:01):
behind that was in the old days. This is one
version of it. In the old days when wrestlers would
check in before cell phones, they would check in with
their wives or families to let them know that they've
reached their destination or what have you, because the traveling
was just ungodly. But at any event, they would call
person to person a color call for k fabe and

(01:49:26):
somebody was saying, I'm sorry he's not here, thank you
very much, And that would be a way of saying
I'm here without paying for the call. Kids, they don't
even know what that means. It was so adherent to
Mexican Lucha libre wrestling is on another level with the masks.

(01:49:48):
There was the most famous Mexican wrestler big in this
country was mill Moscatis a thousand masks, and I don't
know if he ever took his mask off, if anybody
knew who he was. I have no idea to wear
the mask, to wear a hood as it is referred to.

(01:50:11):
We don't really see this anymore. But there was something
very very eerie, very frightening about it. And of course
whenever somebody came in wearing a hood, as they say
you had, what you did was you would take it
and slide it, turn it halfway, make a quarter turn,

(01:50:32):
and now they're blinded because the eye holes are where
his ear is. And it was very very funny. That's
the patented reaction. Brandon, Brandon and Chicago. You're on another
side of Midnightwood, Lionel.

Speaker 2 (01:50:49):
Hey, Vinyl, thanks for taking my call. Yes, sir, I
just wanted to comment on the wrestling topic. You know,
it's something that me and my grandma actually shared kind
of a special over.

Speaker 10 (01:51:05):
You know, here's this.

Speaker 2 (01:51:07):
You know, she's ninety six now, but she came to
the country in sixty nine from a little town and
what used to be Yugoslavia which is now Serbia, which
borders borders Romania. And you know, she speaks Romanian, all
the Romanian traditions. She's Romanian Orthodox. You know, made her

(01:51:29):
own bread, made her own egg noodles. And here she is,
you know, watching wrestling and loving wrestling, and she would
just get so into it. And I just thought that
was so fascinating, and I wanted to ask you if
you ever seen the chic you know he through the
fireballs and stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:51:48):
And I know you're talking.

Speaker 3 (01:51:49):
About you're talking about the original chic, not the Irons.
This was in This was in Detroit, w His name
was Ed Farhat. He was the original one. He had
the the whatever, not the turbine but whatever that that yeah,
you know, you know the thing we do with the
fan belt or whatever whatever you call that thing. He

(01:52:11):
would you know, he never spoke a word. He never
spoke a word that you could hear. He never ever
had a wrestling move. He never ever. There was no finish,
there was no nothing. He would come out with a pencil,
a pen some type of a dagger and he would
just cut people's heads open.

Speaker 6 (01:52:33):
There was nothing like it.

Speaker 3 (01:52:35):
He was the ultimate, probably the scariest heel of them all.
Now you mentioned something about your grandmother. Do you know
how many people share that with, especially foreign grandparents, grandfather,
grandmother who they loved this and sometimes they would even
try to tell these people, listen, don't watch this. This

(01:52:57):
isn't good for your health. Take it easy. You might
get too excited, but you will always have that with her.
And it was something that you and you basically she's
your grandmother and you're looking at her and you're saying,
I dig this. She knew what was going on you did.
Isn't that a beautiful thing? I don't think people can
understand unless you've been a part of this. This is

(01:53:19):
alien to them. Would you agree?

Speaker 2 (01:53:22):
Most definitely? And she doesn't speak English, if anything that's
broken English, you know, she doesn't understand much English. But
you know she would just get so into it, and
you know when the guys, you know, hurt she'd be like,
oh my gosh, you know, she think it's.

Speaker 3 (01:53:40):
Real and isn't it funny. Also, you've got this is
a woman who has lived here for a long since
nineteen sixty nine, who never bothered to learn English. I've
got relative like that. They never bothered because in her enclave,
in her world, she never had to. But don't you
think if you were in a coy you would just

(01:54:01):
pick it up. Don't you think you would pick up
the language? You couldn't help it. But I've got relatives
like this who never learn English their entire life. I
don't know if it's obstinacy or something I kind of
admire in a weird way. Brandon, I thank you so
much for calling it. Thank you so much for sharing
that with this. Eight hundred and eighty four eight nine

(01:54:22):
two two two. My friends, be not mistaken. This is
another side of Midnight with Lionel. That's right, when you're

(01:55:01):
talking in your sleep, I hear the secrets that you're kid.
I number eight hundred eight for eight nine two two,
eight hundred nine for a nine two two two. You
know what's funny? Have you ever thought wouldn't it be
something if you could see your grandparents again now at

(01:55:21):
your age now and them at their age, or to
see them at roughly the same age, wouldn't you wouldn't
that be something? Or to even be with your parents,
to meet your parents, your mother and father, and you're
the same age they are, what would they look like
to you? I'm thinking more and more. I don't know

(01:55:44):
if I'm just waxing philosophic, but I always think, what
would that be like?

Speaker 2 (01:55:49):
Today?

Speaker 3 (01:55:50):
Eight hundred eight four eight nine two two two. Let's
go back at the almost back to the final. Let's
go to Mike in New Jersey. Mike, you're on another
side of midnightwood linel.

Speaker 8 (01:56:00):
Hey, let on, how you doing? What's going on?

Speaker 6 (01:56:02):
Sir?

Speaker 10 (01:56:02):
So?

Speaker 8 (01:56:03):
I used to go and see wrestling at the Washington
Armory in Auburny, New York, which was, of course north
of where you were in Tampa. So I got to
witness it. I got to witness the giant in person. Unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (01:56:17):
I mean, what is that describe described with somebody seven
to four and towards the end he was he was
at about five hundred pounds, but seven four? Did did
you ever see the picture of him? He could take
a can of beer, a regular can, and if he
put his hand, he could he could hide it. His

(01:56:39):
hand was like it wasn't real. I can't tell you
the stories I heard. He was very, very difficult when
he was traveling on planes.

Speaker 8 (01:56:54):
I've seen the specials, which was sad. It was sad
to hear about.

Speaker 3 (01:56:57):
Well, how about when he had to go to the bathroom.

Speaker 6 (01:57:00):
I'm going to lay that.

Speaker 10 (01:57:02):
And the man when he would go to.

Speaker 3 (01:57:04):
The hotels, he never and he never he people would
look at him and no matter how much it would
gawk at him, it would stare at him. People looked
afraid he heed. He would he drank, you know, he
would he drank at.

Speaker 8 (01:57:25):
Level before eight eighty or one hundred and twenty beers
in like a sitting Yes, seriously, yes, yeah, I mean
a lot, a lot. I mean, but I mean I
I was probably ten years old, right, see, And I
remember he walked down the aisle to go into the ring, right,
and I remember stand, I looked up. I looked left

(01:57:48):
and they had to look right. I couldn't see him.
I mean, you couldn't see the man in your own view.
It was crazy, totally crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:57:57):
I mean, he was enormous but there was a story
Bobby Heenen told me years ago. Bobby was his manager.
As you know, well, he was never Bobby the brain
was the greatest, sweetest, smartest man you'll ever meet. So anyway,
andre Andre did not really go out. He liked to

(01:58:18):
go to places where he could. He felt that nobody
would bother him, where he would be accepted. Each town
he had a favorite place. Well, one night they were
someplace I don't know where it was, so Andre said,
come on, let's go out, which was a rarity. So
they went to this bar, and the way Bobby tells
the story, he walks in Andreas and he sees this
woman with her back. She's at the bar with her

(01:58:39):
back turned. And he turns to Bobby and he says,
I know her. I can't do the voice, but I know.
So he creeps, so he walks over behind her. He
wants to surprise her. Now there's wooden. The bar himself
has wooden planks, so as he takes a step, it's
cracking and creaking. Now listen to this imagine. She's looking

(01:59:02):
straight ahead. Yeah, oh yeah, when we wait, let me finish,
let me look at it. She's looking ahead the bartender
is looking at her. The bartender looks up and sees
this seven foot four, five hundred pound giant creeping up
behind her to surprise her. He puts his hands around

(01:59:27):
her neck to pretend it like playfully. This man's face
is looks like he's seen a ghost. She doesn't know
what this is. She looks over and she sees these
baseball bat fingers, and she says, what the hell is this?
He leans over, looks at her. He's got this head

(01:59:49):
the size of a watermelon, these little shoe peg teeth.

Speaker 4 (01:59:52):
And the hair.

Speaker 3 (01:59:53):
Anyway, it's the wrong woman, it's not hers. She almost
loses control of her bodily functions, and she's says, oh,
what the.

Speaker 1 (02:00:03):
Hell is this?

Speaker 3 (02:00:04):
Imagine that you're thinking face to face up close, and
I'm sure his breath is not exactly so. But this
was a guy who years there was a story that's
the most Also, there was a great remember a guy
by the name of the Ultimate Warrior. Remember this, Yes, yep,

(02:00:25):
he used to be called used to be called the
Dingo Warrior. He wrestled in Dallas years ago, and he
was all rotted up and he was he was real stiff,
and he just never never could work. As they say,
it wasn't a good wrestler people. He would hurt people.
So there was this story, well listen to this. So

(02:00:46):
the rule was Vince said that Bobby said that whatever
you do, don't hurt Andre. He was in the last
legs of his career and just don't hurt him. Well,
the Warrior supposedly decided, I'm going to show him kind
of who's boss. So yeah, so he went off the ring.
Ropes came back and he basically like clothesline Andre and

(02:01:09):
he and Andre looked at a little wobbly and Bobby
is screaming, that's enough. They're going crazy. I said no more,
and Bobby says, don't worry. I mean the Andre, so
don't worry. He did it again. Now this time it
really kind of rocked him. And Andre was not doing
well towards you, and he had acromegaly. They said, do
you never live past forty Okay. What he finally did

(02:01:32):
was he turns to Bobby because he sees that the
Warrior is going to do this again. And he turns
to Bobby and he says, he says, wait a minute,
are you gonna let me finish your this, okay, you
can maybe anticipate what I'm gonna say anyway, So he said,
watch watch this. He puts his hand out as he

(02:01:54):
comes off the ring and it hits him flat in
the face. His paint sideways. He is not He's almost
going to pass out. Andre has to quote put him over,
meaning he's got to win. The guy's almost unconscious. This
is actually happening.

Speaker 6 (02:02:13):
I thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (02:02:14):
Might call me again. I've got to say something that
is the most I've got to say something. It's not
your fault. This phone system does not allow us to
speak like regular people. So as I'm talking, he's saying,
h huh yeah yeah yeah, uh huh uh huh. I say,
let me get this out, and it's not his fault.

(02:02:35):
So ifever you're wondering why is this happening, It's not
out of rudeness.

Speaker 6 (02:02:40):
It's this system.

Speaker 3 (02:02:41):
I don't know what it is. It doesn't allow for
regular phone conversation. It's like when one talks, the other
is shut off or in any of it. Enough of
that explanation. Robert in New York, you're on another side
of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 4 (02:02:58):
Well, well, well, good morning.

Speaker 6 (02:03:01):
You know where have you been, sir?

Speaker 1 (02:03:03):
Where have you been?

Speaker 4 (02:03:06):
Well, I'm about to tell you that I just got
back two days ago from a marvelous trip to Western Canada,
where I was part of a music train. We ran
around the Prairie provinces for four days. For five days,
the entire train was taken over by musicians and storytellers,
and we would stop at local spots and we would

(02:03:27):
perform for the locals for free.

Speaker 3 (02:03:31):
Now explain to folks who are listening what it.

Speaker 6 (02:03:34):
Is that you do.

Speaker 4 (02:03:36):
Good sir, Well, I'm retired. I taught history to high
school and college students for forty years, but I've been
retired for twenty seven and now I travel all over
the UK, killingly one of the United States, and collect folklore.

Speaker 3 (02:03:53):
Now explain what that means.

Speaker 4 (02:03:56):
I collect ballads, I collect jacktails, I collect riddles, I
collect folk speech.

Speaker 3 (02:04:04):
And what do you do when you collect them? You say,
jack tails?

Speaker 9 (02:04:09):
What is that?

Speaker 4 (02:04:10):
Yes, a jacktail is a story from European tradition where
it's a I guess you'd call it a magical tale
where there are earth and three sons, and the youngest
of which is named Jack or Jacques or tie Jean
or anything he's the youngest son, he's the kind son.

(02:04:32):
He's the one who does things for strangers, as opposed
to two nasty brothers who think they're clever and smart.
But he always wins the princess, and he always becomes
the king's daughter and king's son in law. But somehow
he loses all his fortunes until the next story. And
in the United States, there are jacktails that have been

(02:04:54):
found in North Carolina, West Virginia, Tennessee, all over the South.

Speaker 3 (02:05:00):
And let me ask you, yes, when you collect these
make do you chronicle them? Do you pass them on
to you? What do you do with your stories? Once
you absorb them, hear them.

Speaker 6 (02:05:13):
Learn them?

Speaker 4 (02:05:14):
In most cases where I get permission to tell the stories,
because sometimes to see, stories are family stories, and you
like to credit the origins of them if I perform myself,
which I do in many cases. Most of them, however,
I put in my private files when I come home

(02:05:34):
from my own edification.

Speaker 3 (02:05:37):
Now you were a history professor, instructor, teacher, what have you?
Tolstoy said famously that history would be a wonderful thing
if only it were true. How much of what you
have taught is indeed a jacktail, a mythology, an old
wives tale, or a fable.

Speaker 4 (02:06:00):
Is this history? Well much of history? What's the old phrase?
I'm sure you've heard the canard History is written by
the winners, Yes, the losers. The losers sit around saying
shut up and deal.

Speaker 3 (02:06:15):
Also, Napoleon said that history is a myth that men
agreed to to believe or to follow. We say things.
I cannot tell you how many times I hear people
say things. For example, one of my favorites is how
people still insist that somewhere and you might have wondered

(02:06:37):
about the mighty they, because people will say, you know,
they've said, they've proved, they've that whenever there's a full moon,
that emergency rooms are filled with people because they have
said this. They and it's there's no there's no evidence
of this at all, none whatsoever. Zero, It doesn't exist.

(02:07:01):
There is no, there's never been, but they or you.
For people say that if you swim too soon after
you've eaten, you'll get to cramp and sink to the
bottom and die.

Speaker 4 (02:07:13):
How do the word god? I heard that. When I
was a kid, my parents would always say, you shouldn't
you shouldn't take a bath, or you shouldn't swim too
soon after you've eaten.

Speaker 3 (02:07:23):
Yes, And the theory behind this do you know how
you know? You know the mechanism behind that? Why that
works purportedly because when you were digesting food. The theory
is that the blood leaves your extremities, you're musculature, and
it goes to your viscera. And therefore, whenever you need

(02:07:44):
blood to replenish your arms or legs as you're swimming
or kicking, you're not going to be able to because
you're digesting. I mean, it's the silliest thing. And Bill
Cosby even talks about it. Depending upon what you've eaten,
it's a different amount of time for you to wait.
Franks and beans, you don't go in at all.

Speaker 4 (02:08:05):
Well, before I go, I want to give you I
haven't given you any proverbs recently, but please I recently
did some. I recently did some collecting from some Romany
friends of mine up in upstate New York were gypsies. Yes, well,
that's why I say. That is why I say I

(02:08:26):
am totally enamored of your theme song. I love listening.
I will listen to your program just to hear the
theme song by the Gypsy Kings fascinating magical group. But
I heard a proverb that I thought might interest you.
It's supposedly from various parts of Eastern Europe. It's been

(02:08:48):
said to belong to the Romany of Lithuania from Zagreb.
And the proverb is this a bean in liberty, It's
infinitely worth more than a cake in prison.

Speaker 3 (02:09:06):
Because of the potentiality of it, the idea that it's
something could if it's unfettered and uncontrolled and unchained, the
potential potential energy.

Speaker 4 (02:09:19):
Well, would rather well, I mean, you'd rather eat a
simple bean in freedom that you would rather have a
seven layer cake in prison. I totally agree with that,
by the way.

Speaker 3 (02:09:29):
Yeah, but a couple of things to you speak of
the Romany was very interesting. They the word Gypsy, weren't
didn't they think they were somehow Egyptian or something at first?

Speaker 6 (02:09:41):
And hence that name.

Speaker 4 (02:09:43):
Well, yeah, I don't know. I'll tell you the short version.
The Romany or the Gypsies claim that they their original
home was in a place called Rakisthan in India. They
claimed that they also brought the bagpipes west with them
from India. That's pretty much certain. But they claim that

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in their great migrations, because there were several major migrations
during the eighth and ninth century, many of them came
to Western Europe and to gain favor and to gain
some sort of sympathy, they claimed that they were fleeing
from Saracen persecution in Egypt. That is supposedly the conventional

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meaning of the term gypsy, although there are scholars who
tend to disagree on that, because there are Romany who
are of course Spanish Romanie, the Flamenco dancers. There are
Romani who are Eastern Europe. There are Romani who come
from France, Italy, you go to the British Isles, and

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there is a great debate as to whether Romany are
the same as tinkers with a capital T, who are
men of pots and pans and who do marvelous work
with horses, as.

Speaker 3 (02:11:04):
In the Tinkers The Tinker's Damn.

Speaker 4 (02:11:07):
Yes, tinkers damp. But the the the general term is
they don't like the term gypsy because it had well,
it has aspersions I read I recently read a book,
and they think and they're not certain, because of course
the numbers are so ghastly that close to a million

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Romani were killed during World War Two by the Nazis. Wow, wow,
close to a million.

Speaker 3 (02:11:37):
This is so interesting. You know, for example, you have
a uh, the zingaro for Italian. For a gypsy, there's
a there's a cake Spanish, it's called braano. It's like
a gypsy arm. When you gyp somebody, it's it's a

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it's a truncation of gypsy.

Speaker 4 (02:12:01):
I find that the way the word in Spanish for gypsy.
Who might interest is he Donald?

Speaker 6 (02:12:06):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (02:12:06):
Yeah, right right, that's why he said, but rash Donald
is the is the gypsy arm? Well that's why this
But but we don't know anything still really about them.
I don't. I find them every now and then I'll
thank God for YouTube. I can do a quick cut

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of a documentary. They're the most interesting people.

Speaker 4 (02:12:31):
There is a did you ever see the movie King
of the Gypsies?

Speaker 3 (02:12:38):
I did not, but I've heard of it.

Speaker 4 (02:12:40):
It's a great and it's a great book because the author,
and I cannot remember his name right now, but he
wrote this book after having spent fifteen months with a
man who claimed to be the King of the Gypsies.
And the music, by the way, in that movie is
absolutely marvelous.

Speaker 3 (02:12:56):
It will remember also Django Reinhardt and that because he
remember he lost his fingers in a caravan fire. He
was inside a it was either a campfire or something
where he lost his fingers. He played this and he
by the way, that's his style. You can when you

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hear that he and Stephan Gripelli put this style together
and this gypsy music. It's it's Stephan Gropelli. He played
with two fingers on his left hand, just two thumb
and forefinger. It's and he was also a gypsy. But
here's my question.

Speaker 4 (02:13:35):
What what are they?

Speaker 2 (02:13:39):
What?

Speaker 3 (02:13:39):
What is such a They're in different countries. For example,
you don't ever hear of a Spanish Italian, or a
Norwegian Italian or a German Italian.

Speaker 6 (02:13:48):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (02:13:49):
You hear you might have a Norwegian who might have
some Italian in their background. But where precisely are the
Romani from? Of What are they? What would you call them?
Are they European?

Speaker 6 (02:14:03):
I mean? Are they what?

Speaker 4 (02:14:06):
As I told you? As I told you there are
in most people who have written, you know, wonderful books
on it, like Diane Tong who wrote who collected folk
tales from the Romany from different places, especially especially centered
on the British Isles of Ireland. But most Romany will

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tell you that their ancestors came from northwestern the northwestern
frontier of India. No I understand that Rajasthan, which is
a state in northwestern India, most of them, uh most.
In fact, there is a group from Rajasthan called Moussa
Fear and they play the traditional Romani music of Rojaistan.

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And to watch those dances, Linel, you think you're in heaven.

Speaker 3 (02:14:57):
Right, But what I'm what I'm saying, it's you don't
hear when you hear. I'm of an Italian from Italy.
I'm Spanish from Spain, I'm Japanese from Japan, I'm German
from Germany. This is what we normally think of. These
people are a sub directory, so to speak, of a place,

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and they're not really would you call them Indian? When
did they branch off and become Romani? What was it
that distinguished them? Where did this did this.

Speaker 4 (02:15:32):
Branch Well, when they're when they're first of three or four.
Major migration has happened starting in the eighth and ninth
century in Western Europe. That's when they first showed up
in great numbers. Until then they had been making their
way westward.

Speaker 3 (02:15:54):
Do you see perhaps I'm not explaining this well enough.
I don't know of any sub direct sub sub keep
saying subdirectory some some version of this. It's not. It's
like a dialect of people. Anyway. I think they're the
most interesting.

Speaker 4 (02:16:14):
And we have a last thing about the language. They
have a language. By the way, before I do go,
because I'm sure you have other calls, I should tell
you that tomorrow or Monday, I am off again. This
time I'm heading for the vastness of eastern Kentucky because
I am going to attend an annual music and humor

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festival in Berea, Kentucky, and we are dedicating it to
the name of a to a man named Leonard Roberts.
Leonard Roberts was mister Kentucky folklore in every aspect. One
of his most interesting books of many that he wrote,
was an illustrated history of the Hatfield McCoy Feud, in

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all of its and all of its gruesome, wild uh exuberances.
If you want to quarter however, however, we will be.
We will be dedicating the the next few days to
Leonard Roberts, and music and song and dance, musical instruments,

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the fiddle. There will be a there will be I
have decided to. In fact, I have been asked by
friends down there to participate in the Great Liars Contest.

Speaker 3 (02:17:36):
So you should do quite well.

Speaker 4 (02:17:38):
Well, I actually want it. Once by telling a tall
tale from Texas, which I won't go into because it's
much too long.

Speaker 6 (02:17:47):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (02:17:48):
Is it unfair to call it a liar? I mean,
can like spinning yarns, and there's other different There's wonderful
euphemisms for basically the mendacious prevarication, you know, lying, mendacity.

Speaker 4 (02:18:04):
Well, well, like they call it a liar's context because
obviously the stories although people actually in some cases I
think I once told a story which everybody thought was
a uh, how do you call it a mendacious man anecdote?
But it turned out to be. Rather, it wasn't apocryphal.

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It just happened to be what I thought they would
enjoy hearing. And after it was over, they came up
to me and said, now that wasn't really a lie,
was it. I said, you figure it out? And I
walked away.

Speaker 3 (02:18:41):
In there there have you have you also noticed in
some I keep seeing sub directly. I know what I'm
saying it. In certain parts of humor, there was also
the notion of the exaggerate or not really. There was
a story of of of of a military unit, a
platoon or whatever, and there was this one fellow from Texas,

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and everything was bigger in Texas. This is a rather
dated story. And everything was bigger in Texas, and they
were so sick of this. Whatever you showed them and say, well,
it's bigger in Texas. Everything's bigger in Texas. So one
day they got a galopogus turtle, those huge turtles, put
it in his bed, put the sheet over it. He
came home a little tipsy. He pulled back the sheet
and he says, what's this And somebody said it's a

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bedbug and he said, must be a young'in now at
that time. But see this is I don't know what
that's called, but these these stories. I also try to
tell people, if you can explain a joke to somebody,
do you understand how you have to kind of do

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a lot of calculation in your head. It makes you
smarter if you understand a joke. And I'm going to
say somebody was a lot of people take great umbrage.
Women don't like jokes. Women don't tell jokes. It's a
male thing to create these yarns, these prevarication, these you know,
basically it's perjury. You're just lying. But it's a story

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with a wink at the end of it. Maybe it's
a pot I'll.

Speaker 4 (02:20:14):
Tell you this, I will tell you this line. I
have gone to places where the raunchy ist stories and
jokes are told by the women. By the way, let
me tell you a very quick one, just to give
you a chuckle.

Speaker 3 (02:20:25):
This is a raunchy joke.

Speaker 6 (02:20:27):
Please please do no, no, not.

Speaker 4 (02:20:29):
A raunchy joke, just a joke, just to show you.
There was a fellow who was always bragging in Texas
about how he, how he how had a ranch that
was so big. And he says a bunk house had
its own zip code, and every time he went to
mail a letter, he'd have to pack a box lunch.
And he then he says, standing up in its full

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five foot eight inches, he says, why my ranch is
so big it takes me five and a half days
to get around it in my automobile. And from across
the room a fellow for Israel says, hey, we have
slow audibobiles like that, and Israel too, you have what.

Speaker 3 (02:21:11):
I'm sorry, I'm misundertaid you have what?

Speaker 4 (02:21:13):
Oh, the fellow for Israel says, we have slow automobiles
like that.

Speaker 3 (02:21:18):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes yes. Now I'm gonna ask
you why did you decide to pick on Israel? You know, no, Semi,
I can't.

Speaker 4 (02:21:30):
That's the way that.

Speaker 3 (02:21:32):
No, no, I kid no, no, no, I understand that,
because that is people are rather hyper exuberant with that
particular thing. Let me leave you with this. I don't
know who said this. It might have been Tom Wade'
it might have been no coward. I don't know who
it was, but he said the definition of a gentleman
is somebody who can play the bagpipes but doesn't.

Speaker 4 (02:21:50):
Doesn't that's no cowards. Indeed, by the way, you know what,
you know why bagpipe? You know why bagpipers always mark
around while they're playing their pipe? Don't you.

Speaker 3 (02:22:02):
To not be a sitting target?

Speaker 4 (02:22:04):
Yeah, exactly, exactly. It's much harder to hit a moving target.

Speaker 7 (02:22:08):
Well.

Speaker 3 (02:22:08):
One thing too, is I believe it or not. At
the time of war, the idea of inflating a bladder,
that they would be in the front line. And there's
nothing more frightening than to hear that sound when somebody
is coming over the mountain or whatever it is, and
they're bagpipers, and of course those are the first ones
to be hit because zero so yes.

Speaker 4 (02:22:31):
But by the way, the Emperor Niro never played the
cittle while Rome burned. However, some historians claim that he
was an expert on the tibia utri kolaris, the Roman bagpipe.

Speaker 3 (02:22:46):
Listen, Robert, you have regaled us with arcana and I
appreciate it. Please call me again. Safe travels to you,
good friend. Our numbers eight hundred eighty four eight nine
two two two eight hundred eighty four eight nine two
two do this is another side of midnight Woodline.

Speaker 6 (02:23:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, uh there is case.

Speaker 3 (02:23:46):
That's the way uh huh uh huh I like it.

Speaker 6 (02:23:50):
Uh huh uh huh.

Speaker 3 (02:23:57):
What a tremendous talent he is or is the complexity,
the depth, the texture of the the songs, so complanis
so labyrinthine. Boogie a lot of boogies, And that's the.

Speaker 6 (02:24:16):
Way I like it. Uh huh uh huh.

Speaker 3 (02:24:19):
Let's go back at the moments, my friend back to
the fund, Let's go to a Let's go to Let's
go to Terry in New Jersey. Terry, you're on another
side of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 14 (02:24:29):
Lionel, you are an intellect period. Robert from Manhattan is
Robert from Manhattan is one of the great storytellers that
interview you just oh my god. You it him with
like Nxon, it was Mixon, Fostonian.

Speaker 3 (02:24:43):
The two of you is thank you, thank you.

Speaker 14 (02:24:45):
The only thing he couldn't penetrate was the ethnic background
of the Gypsies. I know where you would come from.
He couldn't answer, Like, they came from India and they
moved west towards Europe, and they obviously were mixing along
the way, so they a lot of different backgrounds in them.
And apparently they don't like to be called Gypsies anyway.
Everybody said it, but you don't.

Speaker 3 (02:25:07):
But but just for a second. You don't have people
who say, we started in Rome and we left, we
ended up in Pittsburgh and say, what do you mean
you left, Well, we left, you left. Yeah, you just
got up one day and say I'm done with this.
We're leaving. We're migrating. But there they're so it's such

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I wish somewhere there's got to be for example, is
there a romany restaurant? Is there a romany music or
you know we have gypsy music. But they're like the
best kept secret. I'm fascinated by them. And anyway, Terry
proceeds are.

Speaker 14 (02:25:45):
Like the version of the Guard State popway the Atilda
Hunt stopped or something. I don't think so, but they
sticky things. That area is like in the air and
also part of what it's called today Pakistan.

Speaker 1 (02:25:58):
And then they thought, well, you.

Speaker 14 (02:25:59):
Know, you know, you get you're traveling, you know, you
meet the women and stuff, and they had sticky fingers.
That's what I get thrown out of everywhere. But anyway, uh,
I think Line of America is China's version of Saturday
night life, even with you know, the senators saying what
color is your tie to the kid loarel and what
color is the floor and everything I mean to me,

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I mean, was he is he really? He didn't impress
me by saying he's trying to sound like he's being funny.
He really tried to be funny and he's putting on
a theater.

Speaker 6 (02:26:30):
Uh.

Speaker 14 (02:26:31):
I think personally from what I've seen of all this,
I know you can't suspend the Fifth Amendment. I also
know that possibly statute of limitations have run out on this,
and they don't want a trial. They don't want a
criminal trial because too much stuff would come out, too
many people would come out, and the power brokers don't
want that. So they just wanted to get him on perjury.

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And he knew he had the best, he had lawyers
and stuff. Anybothers come up.

Speaker 3 (02:26:57):
We're talking about Founci obviously, and I with him, I
would have advised him the same, absolutely the same in
terms of what he was looking at, because it's not
so much. Listen, if I bring you in on Monday,
I'm setting you up for perjury. I'm setting you up.
It's not that you've said something or you're going to lie.

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But if you say two particular instances, if you say
two inconsistent statements on day one and two under oath,
that's perjury. But the thing is Terry who told him
what to do? Do you think he just on his
own was the manufacturer of all of this? Do you
think that he on his own contrived and coordinated this lie?

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Do you think he did it, of course not. We
will never get to the bottom of this, my friend,
We will never get to the bottom of this. Terry,
I thank you so much. Please call me against her.
We will never get to the bottom of this whatsoever.
But the thing I wanted to say was, and this
is the most important, Please let us not ever put

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into the realm of politics, medical fact, medical practice, medical
safety in the like. I understand there's a lot of
good people out there who have some very serious concerns
about mRNA, vaccines and the like, but please be very
careful when you discount the notion of immunization completely. It's

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very very dangerous nature. Boy Bill Lee at the Helm,
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