Another Side of Midnight With Lionel - Surveillance, Kids Safety, and Old School Wrestling - Another Side of Midnight with Lionel

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:28):
I know, I know, I know, I know, I know,
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
I know already line up with you and this is
another side of midnight, taking you all the way to
five a m. Eastern time, and then after that you
can do whatever the hell you want to do. It's
up to you. I'm not in control of you anymore.

(01:00):
Do not touch anything I am in control eight hundred
eighty four eight nine to two two. Eight hundred eighty
four eight nine two two two. Seems like just the
other day we were doing this. This, of course is
just well a rather unique undertaking on our particular point
coming up, of course, this is this is Warrior Weekend,

(01:22):
when the lovely and talented my beloved Lynchhaw gives you
some news regarding what is going on regarding and including
what is happening to children, child predation, digital safety coming
up this hour. This week's version will blow your mind,
absolutely positively blow your mind. I've got some things to

(01:46):
talk about later. I don't want to necessarily announce it now. Well,
you see my take on this is to talk about
things that I find fascinating in our world, in the
world that we're in things that I find interesting. There
is so much going on regarding surveillance politics. Politics is

(02:09):
a funny thing. I tend to dare I say, stay
a little bit from that, because that is put it
this way. I don't want to. I don't want to
spend a lot of time having to teach the frame
of reference that I enjoy. So sometimes it just it's better.

(02:30):
Some things are better left unsaid. That's just the way
it is, I think the gray Bruce Hornsby said. But
we have topics that we talk about, for example, UFOs
and disclosure. Have you noticed nothing has come of that? Nothing?
As I said, nothing nothing. You don't know anything more
than you did. There's always the teas the limited hangout.

(02:52):
The story is artificial intelligence and transhumanism, though we really
don't talk about transhumanism. That too often big tech overreach
digital surveillance, digital surveillance at levels you can't even come frehend.
I was reading yesterday about new surveillance techniques that prevent

(03:12):
or that create artificial imaginary surveillance. So if you want
me to create the image that you robbed the bank,
I'll do it for you, even though you weren't there.
Do you want me to drop on your cloud or
infect your particular hardware information that is against the law.

(03:36):
See salmon the like I'll do that too. You see,
nothing is going to be believed, pictures, video, nothing, geopolitics
in the New World Order? Ask people what is the
New World Order? And to this date, to date, no
one can understand true crime and behavioral psychology, intelligence agents,

(04:00):
these intel covit operations, constitutional law or con law as
we call it, civil liberties, media manipulation, propaganda, paranormal phenomena,
health science, skepticism, pop culture, and tonight we're going to
be talking about something later is one of the most
important aspects of popular culture, which has been part and

(04:25):
partial to my life growing up, which I will explain
to you later. Also some problems that we have regarding well,
let's just wait, just wait, because whenever I say I'm
going to do something, oftentimes something will happen. Because the
beautiful part about this, as I have said, you see,
I like you, with the exception of with the exception

(04:47):
of my beloved. Every week. I'm not a big guest person.
It's easy. Well, for one thing, it's in the middle
of the night. It's tough to tell people, Hey, we'd
like to be a guest on the show. Yeah, when
is it a two amas or what? So that that's
one consideration. But I think you're the guest. See I

(05:08):
play the callers and you are so great. I love somebody.
Sometimes your perspective will be so terrific. And then sometimes,
and this is where I get a kick out of it,
sometimes you're wondering what are you listening to? What show
are you listening to? What channel are you on? Individually

(05:29):
and spiritually? And I say that without mocking. This isn't
mocking derision. It's just I just like sometimes people who
don't know what the hell they're talking about, which is fabulous.
But I do want to say this. Have you noticed
how everybody is a real COVID tough guy. See now
that Fauci was up, and Fauci was before, everybody now

(05:53):
is say, well, you know, I think we should prosecute Fauci.
Prosecute him for what we on he took the fifth
Good luck with that one. That ain't gonna happen because
Fauci's not the guy. The question is who told Fauci
what to say? How did this happen? And you will
have people like Rand Paul and others, and they bring

(06:13):
Fauci out and they're gonna say, look, look, Tony, you're
gonna make more money than anybody else who has ever
been a part of the government. Your pension alone will
just destroy everything. You will break all kinds of records,
and up to now it has been pretty easy, pretty good.
Nothing will need to do. So what we're gonna do
is we're gonna bring you out and we're gonna yell

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at you like we do with Mark Zuckerbert. We're gonna
yell at you. Then we're gonna scream at you, and
then everybody's gonna demand I want him arrested. They we're
gonna drag out Bobby Kennedy, who will talk about oh
various things. He still never really got to the bottom
of autism, at least as we had anticipated, too busy

(06:57):
talking about how to make food. And you know, red
dye number three. But it's all a charade, or a
charade as somebody wants them. It's all a joke. It's
a game. The whole thing is a game.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
You know this.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
I know this, and I love how people are so
tough right now because here is the problem.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
And let me.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
See if I can explain this to you, we are
an either or society. What does that mean? I don't know,
just kidding. We believe in one or the other, black
or white. It's called you know, good guy, bad guy,

(07:39):
mannichian is the word or apodictic or specific one or
the other. Never a blend, never a nuance. Never well
yes and no partly well. It's hard to say oh no, no,
no no, because people will start up with this. Have
you met this the true anti vax crowd all of

(08:04):
a sudden They believe not only in distrusting what particular
vaccines are provided, but in the whole notion of immunology.
Vaccines don't work. Vaccinations don't work. It's never worked. And
they just they just say what, it doesn't work, it

(08:24):
doesn't work, vaccine, vaccines don't work. Pastor was wrong? What
are you talking about? And they just get a part
of this. And I know a lot of these people,
there's this this wild kind of what do I say?
It's this mentality that just kills me. And what kills

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me about it more than anything else is how they
take they're so exaggerating it. Seriously, if you think that
I want to live in a world where there's no
such thing as a vaccine. Got your mind, it doesn't
make any sense. You don't believe in vaccines. No, you
don't think children should be vaccinated, no for anything. No,

(09:13):
what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (09:16):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (09:17):
And in fact, we have a dear friend of ours
who's an emergency room physician, and she said that the
number of whooping cough and all types of things which
we never saw before, a lot of them came and
are scene in folks from other countries who perambulate into
our borders. And they're from other countries and they aren't

(09:38):
themselves vaccinated. Kids need this now, how they're given the type.
I'm not going to argue at that point, But you've
got to be able to balance both. F Scott Fitzgerald
said that the sign of a super intelligent person, of
a superior intelligence is to be able to handle two

(10:00):
seemingly conflicting ideas simultaneously and not lose your mind. This
either or stuff is just nuts, And all of a
sudden people will say I'm against vaccines. Why And I'm

(10:21):
telling you, depending upon where you look, you will see
people mds, PhDs, people who really know their stuff and
you'll say, do I believe this? Should I take the
flu vaccine? Should they? I don't know what to do? Well,
good luck with this one. And they also don't realize

(10:41):
the fact that they're not a physician. See, everybody in
this country thinks I'm an expert. I get it all
the time, especially with legal matters. I get my law school,
my internet law school. I'm a lawyer. I'm an expert
in law. Really, Oh, yes, you're an expert or terrific.
Do you remember when COVID first started and people were

(11:04):
freaked out? Do you remember how people said or thought
to themselves? Is this going to be like the Spanish influenza?
Could we maybe seriously walk down the street and see
people just keel over dead? Is that possible? People were scared.

(11:24):
My wife and I didn't know. I didn't know a thing.
Let me tell you what I remember. A dear friend
of mine who was a physician at a local hospital.
Don't want to say which one, said that he and
he's kind of I think in akin to my degree
of skepticism and incredulity himself, and he's a physician. There

(11:47):
was a code word they used which didn't alarm people,
but it sounded rather innocuous. I don't know what the
sound was, or if it was like in the old
department stores, remember they had those little tones. I don't
know what it was. But he couldn't believe when COVID
first hit the first pass through before there was heard, immunity,

(12:12):
before everything. While the people who were the most susceptible,
people with co morbidities, the elderly, it just swept through
like because there's a star. As COVID too. We know
at least three people who were in the hospital where
their oxygen levels were down to nothing.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
It was real.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
COVID was real. But if you tell people, especially those
dare I say in the conspiracy realm Wow, that's it
was all inflated. Doesn't matter the plandemic was it a plandemic?
Could very well be. We'll never get to the bottom
of that rand. Paul makes some great overtures about gain
of function in Wuhan, and remember what markets and panga

(13:00):
and all this stuff pangolins. Excuse me, So what I'm
trying to tell you was this. This is our first lecture,
our first modality. Tonight. Please understand that life is a nuance.
It's a little bit of this, a little bit of that,

(13:20):
Yes and no. Was there a scam in many respects? Yes?
Did big tech and big pharma, big farmers you say,
make billions of this?

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Was it crazy to have introduced a lot of these
these vaccines without testing? Yes? Is there a certain degree
of conspiracy, Yes, conspiracy two or more guilty people conspiring
working together in the Confederation to bring something about Absolutely.
Is Fauci part of this? Oh yeah, Oh yeah he knew.

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Is he some dupe, yes, you see, some minister of fraud.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
However he's not the only one, and it is not
based upon nothing. Now, all I know is there are
friends of mine who are physicians who you put out
any vaccine, they say, get it, get the flu, get
the shingles, get this, rabies whatever. They just believe in

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it whole cloth. These are physicians. There are other people
who believe in nothing. Somewhere between that is reality. Somewhere
neath and between between the two is where we should
be think about that. We'll talk more about this. This
has been driving me nuts all week, and admittedly it's

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not a very long ride. On numbers eight hundred and
eighty four eight nine two to two two coming up,
my friends, it is going to be Warrior Weekend with Lynshaw,
which is our I'm so happy this is This is
an absolute mainstay, and we've got something that is happening
this week here in the New York area and around
the country that will absolutely blow your mind. So stay tuned,

(15:06):
my friends. This is Lionel with you on Another side
of Midnight.

Speaker 5 (15:21):
The Other side of Midnight with Linel on the Red
Apple Podcast Network.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Already line up with you and that music that denotes
the theme song for a weekend Warrior Warrior Weekend, however
you'd like to phrase it. This is I think one
of the most important and critical parts of anything that
I do because it deals with something and deals with
the subject matter which oftentimes is forgotten for reasons I

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will never understand. We're joined by Lynz Warriors, Lynzwarriors dot Org,
Lens Warriors on YouTube, and Lynn's Underscore Warriors on next.
You know, this is Weekend Warrior Warrior Weekend. Excuse me,
we are sounding the alarm on three stories. Every parent
and every concerned American should be watching very very closely.

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In New York, some lawmakers want to lift longstanding restrictions
on are you ready bathhouses in the name hang on
of supporting gay culture. We're going to ask what that
would mean for public health, trafficking, exploitation, and vulnerable young people.

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This is not about attacking anybody's identity. It's about asking
whether safeguards are keeping pace with policy that we're going
to be heading to Capitol Hill, where this week lawmakers
advanced major child safety legislation, including the Kids Online Safety
Act KOSA. Lynz Warriors, survivor, parents and advocates have fought

(17:26):
for years to get Washington to listen, and now the
question is whether Congress will finish the job and get
manyful protections to the President's desk rather and finally, it's
a back to school season. Children are returning not just
to classrooms, but to laptops, ed tech, ed tech platforms,

(17:46):
algorithms AI, and programs such as I ready have you
heard about these? Parents need to know what these systems
are doing, what they are and what data they collect
and how much of the school day is disappearing behind
the screen and our parents really in charge. So to
give you an idea of that little adam ration, that
review of where we're going, it is my honor to

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bring to the microphones of the Another side of Midnight
Show with my beloved, my wife full disclosure. Lynn Shaw
from Lynn's Warriors, My darling, Welcome again to the show
that never ends.

Speaker 6 (18:19):
Good morning. Line on my head is spinning with what
has been going on in the past week. Let's jump
in with these bath houses? Are you ready.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Interesting way of phrasing it, Yes, indeed, Well.

Speaker 6 (18:33):
Look New York City, may they say maybe reopening this
debate surrounding these bath houses something that is proposed by
this state senator and this assembly member. It's so ridiculous.
They want to repeal the restrictions dating back to the
age crisis. Now I'm old enough to remember I'm being
in New York about these bath houses and the age crisis,

(18:57):
the epidemic. What happened with all that is not that
long ago, okay, but what happened around nineteen eighty five
they closed down all these bathouses that effectively and sex
venues I'm going to say, and saunas okay, that openly
kind of permitted sexual activity. So now we've got these
two okay here in New York and they say, you

(19:19):
know what, it's part of the gay culture. We've got
to bring back a meeting spot for the community, and
we also to get this one Linel, we also have
to have a spot for our trans community. So you know,
this is a whole different thing forty five years later,
forty years later from from what you know, the age crisis,

(19:42):
what that looked like. But now we have all these
different concerns. But here's the thing. You know, this is expanding.
This is what I want everybody to understand. So we
have learned so much. Any policy that creates or expands
any kind of anonymous sexual environment, and we know, come on,
let's all wake up, everybody, this is the reality. Anything

(20:04):
that is expanding this, okay, deserves serious scrutiny through the
lens of what we know today, which is lots of exploitation, trafficking,
and vulnerability. Because we know today that demand is for
miners for kids. Okay, So who's going to be watching
making sure the miners kids aren't brought into these places?

(20:26):
Are there safeguards going to exist for people, you know,
being trafficked because we know that what you know, if
there's a demand, if there's a market for sexual activity,
we know it's applying demand. We know we're going to
have traffickers and pimps, and kids will get sexually exploited,
and right now we're talking in particular, it will be
boys and young men. So who's responsible for all of this?

(20:48):
You know, predatory behavior and what happens when any kind
of venue is built around anonymity. It makes exploitation more
difficult to detect. We talk about that all the time time.
So we're are the legitimate child safety and public safety questions. No,
but I just want to say, this is the most
ridiculous thing. And again I just want to point out

(21:08):
when when I say, you know, it's the gay part
of the gay culture and all that. Look, both of
us have plenty of gay male friends. None of them
want this right. So maybe the AIDS crisis is in
check for now, you know, with medications and what we know,
but there's so many other sexual disease things that can happen.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Let me just add this. We're speaking of, as I
mentioned before, doctor Fauci, and the horrors that we went through.
You know, the other night, you and I were dining
in one of New York, one of New Jersey's finest establishments,
and on my way to the lou I saw much
of my chagrin and horror. An old adhesive sticker that

(21:51):
was a remnant where it says stay six feet apart.
Now we just remember, all of us, remember how we were.
We lost our lines with COVID wearing masks that proved
to do nothing. We went crazy. So you're talking about
it theoretically, not you, of course, but people theoretically actually

(22:13):
having a reintroduction of the bath house, which nothing to
do with the with the gay experience of the gay
culture was part and partial of the proliferation and the
AIDS epidemic. And somebody wants to reintroduce this again. I mean,

(22:34):
COVID is one thing, but bathhouses say it ain't.

Speaker 6 (22:38):
So normally, you know, before New York declares these restrictions
on relics, you know of the past, lawmakers have to
hear from This is very important, you know, survivors and
trafficking experts and public health professionals and law enforcement.

Speaker 4 (22:55):
You know.

Speaker 6 (22:55):
So progress cannot mean forgetting the lessons of history or
creating all these new opportunities for exploitation. It is the
most ridiculous thing in the world, you know, because look,
we need to become a stronger society, not weaken it.
In any way, and this we know is is just
a horrendous horror. And we'll bring in what I heard

(23:16):
years ago, you know, on the streets, so to speak.
Is they they quotations they want to make New York
City the sex tourism capital of the country. So we're
going to have all these creeps in addition to the
creeps you know, we have coming flooding into New York City.
And then they're proposing on the west side. Okay, certainly
put these bathhouses on the upper east side, but the

(23:39):
west side. Can you imagine this and these where we
still have you know a lot of open spaces and
empty warehouses and things of that nature. It is the
most ridiculous thing. A further you know, pushing on society
and destruction of society.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
We're talking to lin Shop and Lind's Warriors, Linswarriors dot Org,
Lind's Warriors on YouTube, and Linds under Score Warriors on
x So this is again, this was part of the
of the this trika of stories this week for us
Before we move on, what do you see as the

(24:14):
chance of success of this? Is this one of those
bills that you think will go nowhere or is there
some very serious threat of this actually coming to fruition.

Speaker 6 (24:24):
No, I actually think this will at some point, I
don't know when, not in the you know, not to
in the distant future, come to fruition. And I'll tell
you why, Linel, Because before the COVID came, okay, there
was all this talk about legalizing brothels in New York City.
Legal which is legalized prostitution, which is legalized sex. Mind

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which again I want to remind everybody, the demand is
from minors for kids, Okay, so just think about that.
But also again the talk of let's make New York
City the sex tourism capital of the United States. Then
we that COVID period, Okay, then we're readjusting for the
last several years, and now they are ready to go.

(25:07):
They have their playbook ready. They are going to push this.
The fact that they can even come out and say
they think this is a good idea. And this is
not about I want I want to make sure everybody
understands this is not about the gay lifestyle or any
of that at all. This is about thinking that this
is a good public health you know, standard for people. Okay,

(25:29):
this is this is good for our trans community, This
how is that?

Speaker 3 (25:34):
I think, how crazy that is?

Speaker 2 (25:36):
How is why is a bath house beneficial to the
trans community. I don't understand that way.

Speaker 6 (25:43):
Why they so marginalized in our society. They are so
mocked they they are so you know, they can't get
places to live, they can't get jobs, that we have
to give them safe spaces. So and I'm always in meetings,
you know, well, let's work on giving them those safe spaces,

(26:04):
that education, that job opportunity. Let's work with companies who
will give them jobs. And of course I'm met with faces,
just blank stares on their face. But this is what
they want for a community. You know, it's good enough
to be hidden in the dark and bath houses where
we know. We have learned so much about trafficking, predation, exploitation,

(26:25):
and I want to keep saying the demand is for children.
So we know this is going to happen and young
vulnerable men and boys will be trafficked. It would be
a nightmare. I don't know who thinks this is good
for anybody, But you know what, the public has to
step up. We have to all become warriors and we
have to push back because the playbook again is there

(26:45):
for opening up all this open sexuality in our faces.
And you know what, it's not about being a prude
or anything like that. It's about public safety, safety for
our young people.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
From Lynch's Warriors Lynz Warriors on YouTube, Lynn's Underscore Warriors
on x Now let's go to part two, the second
part of this. We had mentioned this, We talked about
the Washington and some other aspects. What else do you
want to scare us with? What other horrible news is there?

(27:21):
And it is horrible news. I'm sorry, I'm not going
to sugarcoat it.

Speaker 6 (27:24):
Well, when I came about Madhouse, it doesn't that so ridiculous.
It sounds it sounds like some you know, gritty forty
second Street you see in movies from years ago, and
it's all back again. You know, we should want better
for all of us, but for our kids, our grandkids.
This week was a great week on Capitol Hill. We
at the Warriors have been working almost five years now

(27:47):
on a piece of legislation called the Kids Online Safety Act,
Senate Version seventeen forty eight. All the work is, you know,
bipartisan work on Capitol Hill. Everything we do it LYNS Warriors. Okay,
it's about people, it's not about right, left, up down
political parties. But what happened is we finally had our
Senate Commerce Committee hearing that is chaired by Ted Cruz

(28:11):
and Maria Cantwell, and they unanimously passed through the Kids
Online Safety Act, the Senate version, the version we've been
debating for the last you know, a year or so,
where the House removed those three important little words of
duty of care. That big texture put out a product

(28:32):
that they know, to the best of their ability, is
safe for kids and for all people duty of care,
and the House removed those three little words. So now
it goes back, bounces back to the Senate. The Senate
finally because they're all going on recess or they've already
left already. Frankly, I was so afraid the hearing would
be canceled, it wouldn't be held, but they it's one
of their last things they did on Capitol Hill, passed

(28:54):
unanimously through the Senate. This is great news for the
room was filled with so many warriors, including those brave
survivor parents, you know, tech tech policy experts and organizations
like the warriors. But here's the important thing. Right now,
the good news means there's still work to be done.
We want it to happen in this Congress. It cannot

(29:15):
float over to the next Congress and the bills if
they're not done in the Congress. You got to start
from the beginning again with the new Congress. So now
we have one point left. We are one step closer
to keeping kids safe online. The House and the Senate
now have to come together agree on the language and
then it goes to the President's desk for signature into law.

(29:37):
Now that's very sticky. Everybody's on recess now, there's lots
of work we're doing behind the scenes over the next
few weeks. But the House has a very different version
of how to keep kids safe online from the Senate.
So again we do need all our warriors out there,
contact your you know, elected representatives, House, doc Gov, Senate
dot gov, just say we want Kids Online Safety Act numbers,

(29:59):
count voices CA. But here's the thing, you know this,
this is really a no brainer. We have to, as
we're sitting on AI, do something to keep our kids
safe online. Parents are the first line of defense. At
the same time, why should we allow big tech to
run them up, unregulated and harm our kids. We now

(30:20):
have the studies. We now have the whistleblowers internal memos,
we've got everything. We've got thousands depending lawsuits against big
tech right now for harms caused to kids. So something
has to be done legislatively, and Kids Online Safety Act
is the best bill out there to do this.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Who is it that drafts these bills? Because many, many times,
and I learned this from just listening to you in
your colleagues, you have to deal with legislation that is
written primarily by big tech itself. So is this what
do you think as far as the the the robustness,
if you will, of this bill? Is it a good one?

(30:59):
Does it do the right thing?

Speaker 7 (31:01):
Of course?

Speaker 6 (31:02):
Kids Online Safety Accented Version seventeen forty eight. I always
throw that in because there were so many different you know,
the House gutted it and had their oldest, horrible language
in it. Things we won't even go into. We don't
have time. But this bill was started, you know by
bipartisan Senator Marshall Blackburn, who just received the GOP nomination

(31:23):
in the state of Tennessee for governor, and also Senator
Richard Bloomenthal in Connecticut, and you know, sitting down with
their offices and it would be you know, lawyers in
their offices and staff, and then organizations like the Warriors.
Fast forward, so we're talking about that was close to
five years ago. Now big tech is at the table

(31:46):
running I'm saying this, really running Washington with all their
money on Capitol Hill. Because they employ so many lobbyists.
I've heard one for one lobbyist for every four members
of Congress. Now, if you read something, they'll say, well,
it's really one for every six. I've been told this
one for every four. There were you no money, it

(32:08):
could be one for every two. We don't know. These
things are a shrouded mystery. What I think today in
the last few years is increasingly because they are so
welcome big tech. They have the power, they have the money.
They are there in Washington, embedded all over every day
of the week, in the ears of our elected officials,
legislative staff. I think today they have a big hand

(32:30):
in writing child safety legislation. Not the Kids Online Safety Act, okay,
that I know for a fact, But we have other
We have other pieces of legislation coming forward, and they
look good, they sound good, they have good names, but
when you dig them apart, they actually are in favor
of big tech. So it's very criminal what's going on

(32:51):
right now. And you know, I'm always saying, why can't
we just have something that's two three pages long? Three
hundred pages? Of course, and I'm not a lawyer. You
are lying. Only three hundred pages for a bill. There
are plenty of loopholes where those lawyers can swoop it.
Big tech has lots of money, lots of lawyers, right
it's a drop in the bucket lawyers paying all these
legal fees and things like that. So why have these

(33:14):
bills that are three hundred pages along with the loopholes.
Keep them short and tight with bullet points. Kids Online
Safety Act? I stand by Senate Version seventeen forty eight.
It is correct, it is good. Plenty of other bills
right now floating around. I think big tech indeed did
have their hand in helping to create.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
And if anybody is listening, by the way, we're talking
to Lyn Shaw from Lyn's Warriors, if anybody is listening,
they have to ask the question, why the name of
God is there such a reluctance, such a pushback, such
of such a jarnity, an objection to legislation, to protections
for kids. Why can't kids safety Because, by the way,

(33:56):
I just have to say this, I'm not going to
mention this. I'm not going to mention the name. But
there's a certain moron on a certain cable news show
where he was repeating the refrain that it's really up
to the parents, that the parents. You see, this isn't
about the devices. He sounds like just a shill for

(34:18):
big tech. This guy is just a poltroon. But in
any event, he said, and people have said this before,
I want to say something very quickly. The difference legally
that we've seen as of late is that for the
first time in a long time, the argument is directed
towards and against the design of the platforms, not the content,

(34:42):
meaning it's the design. For example, when I say this
all the time, nobody is against medication or pharmaceuticals. Also,
nobody's against using or applying child safety caps to medication.
All that is is the design of the delivery system.

(35:03):
No one's against making guns safer. Nobody's gonna get rid
of guns. In every walk of life, seatbelts, airbags, everything
has a safety component as to the design. But when
it comes to this, like these poltroons, on this one
particular cable show, these hacks, they repeat this drivel, this,

(35:26):
mandra this rote kind of an incantation that it's the
parent job and that drives me nuts. Granted, not a
very long ride.

Speaker 6 (35:36):
Your thoughts, my thoughts are big tech. Again, it's a
crass answer, but it is the truth. Money drives everything,
and right now big tech has deep, deep pockets, deep
deepest okay, in all of society, not only Capitol Hill,
all around our country. And you know what, they've let

(35:58):
the power people like power and money. So here we
are today, and a reminder, you know, it is the
only business, big tech. It is unregulated. Whoever heard of
this linel? There's no guardrails. They're just allowed to run,
you know, wild. And this was born in nineteen ninety

(36:19):
six when we had something called you know, Section two
thirty the Communications Decency Act, where we had two platforms
in those days, thirty years ago. You know, grant that
you are just a billboard. You are a newsstand for
third party content. But so much has changed, and we
have so many studies now improof of the harms cause
and still there, Yes, there's a movement to sunset Section

(36:41):
two thirty that's next after the Kids Online Safety Act.
But it is so hard because listen, here's the bottom line.
Lots of people are making lots of money off of this,
and people like money. So it's been an uphill battle.
The amounts of money that big tech is spending lobbying
against child safety tells us they are scared. They are

(37:02):
scared because more Americans are awake to this, more government
is coming down on them. And again again that argument
of you know, age verification and my privacy, that's all
garbage because we know now our TVs are listening to us,
our microwaves are probably listening to us, that everybody has
your information or already everybody. So just calm down. This

(37:22):
is about the safety of children. So they are pushing
back big time big tech. But we have to keep
in mind we have to be trying to be ten
steps ahead of them. You know, AI is here. This
is the most frightening thing right now. So we've got
to put some legislation in place to address all of this,
and we have to do it now. We can't just
be cleaning up afterwards. We've got to get in there

(37:43):
ahead and it is a complete thing that we need.
Everybody in on. We need everybody aware of what's going
on and how you must talk. If you do nothing
about any of this, you must talk in your own
home to your kids and just let them know about safety.
And you have to, you know, realize what apps are
on to the best of your ability, because we know
it's overwhelming and hard to keep up with all of this.

(38:05):
But we're here at the Warriors to help you.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
With all of this.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
We're talking at Lynd Shawn from Lyn's Warriors. And the
final final part of this trio, this troika, this triumph
for it is what is happening regarding the actual website.
I'm missing it?

Speaker 3 (38:22):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (38:23):
What is our third component of this?

Speaker 6 (38:25):
I just back to school time, come on, and you
know this come's gone. It's so shocking. But you know, look,
Georgia started this past week. We got Florida's starting next week.
New York we start right after Labor Day. And look,
we know it used to be the pencils, the notebooks
were buying, the teacher standing in the front of the classroom.
But today back to school means laptops, it means adaptive

(38:48):
learning platforms, digital assessments, algorithms, and enormous quantities of student data.
And there's something called ed tech and that's education technology everybody,
and it is embedded through American education and used properly.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Because tech sounded, tech sounds good.

Speaker 6 (39:06):
ED tech does that well, we were sold to bill
of goods for schools. Okay, that technology would this is
years ago, empower our kids. Everybody needs a chromebook. It
would make learning easier, would open the world up, It
would help teachers. But now we know, instead of the
actual teacher, the teachers are in the classrooms in many
cases monitoring. Believe, listen to this one, monitoring the kids

(39:29):
programs that they're in the classroom doing all day. That's
where I want to get at and what we're breaking
through right now. Again, we are pro innovation, pro technology.
We know, when used properly, tech can help a teacher
identify where a kid is struggling or give you know,
additional practice and make again resources available very quickly. But

(39:51):
parents now and rightfully so, are asking for about a
much more fundation fundamental question, Linel, And that is when
did technology stop being a tool for teachers and start
becoming the classroom itself? And that's what I'm hearing about
because right now, there is a widely used program called
I Ready developed by this company called Curriculum Associates, And

(40:15):
what it does it combines computerized assessments of a child okay,
in reading, math, and then it uses this assessment to
create a personalized instruction day for the child, and it
gives the teachers the information they can use to guide instruction.
But again I want to remind everybody, this is technology.

(40:35):
This is not a person. Okay, this is a teacher.
What if a child is between you know, a subject matter,
it is a machine who cannot detect any of that.
You need a human being. So we're asking about screen
time in the classrooms, a student engagement, privacy, data collection.
Because here's the other thing about this program I Ready.

(40:56):
Right now, there is a major lawsuit going on because
in the beginning of his school year and I ask
parents this all the time, you know this line, what
did you agree to in your child's classroom for online
And they're like, I don't know. I got a sheet.
I checked all the boxes. Okay, you check, you check Google,
you check YouTube, you check, you check roadblocks. Yeah, I

(41:16):
just checked. If it's in the classroom, it's okay. Parents
do agree to I Ready. It's used by millions of students.
Right now, here's the problem, sound, there's allegedly allegedly right now,
the lawsuit is stating I Ready has taken all your
child's information and sold it. Because remember the money in
all this technology is information, that's the currency. And they

(41:39):
have sold your child's information to third parties, which means
for the rest of your child's life, their information is
somewhere out there being used to develop you know, all
this AI data and large language models. So look who
owns the technology in the classroom?

Speaker 4 (41:59):
Do you know what?

Speaker 6 (42:00):
Right now, with this lawsuit and all that the classroom,
the board of ed, the school districts, they are owning
your child's information because you checked off I ready, but
you didn't agree to have I ready sell your child's information.
This is the crux of this lawsuit going on right now.
So we'll keep you up to up to date about that.

(42:21):
But that's a very scary thing because again that is
chipping away this front of the program, perhaps chipping away
more parental autonomy. So the child's classroom, the school owned
what happened in that classroom. That's your child's information, and
the parent has no right. So again, a lot of
these child safety legislation bills, like our Child Online Privacy

(42:44):
Protection Act, again chipping away at parental autonomy. I thought
anything to do with minors, you know, against the law.
But something like this Child Online Privacy Protection Act, And
this is in the House right now.

Speaker 8 (42:58):
The Senate just.

Speaker 6 (42:58):
Fairly recently put this into legislation. Only parents have a
right to know online thirteen and under what their child
is doing. Okay, so what about the fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,
seventeen year old. You're not supposed to have a right
to know what your child's doing online. You probably bought
that device, you pay for the internet, the router. So
this is crazy stuff. The good news is parents are

(43:21):
waking up. Teachers don't like a lot of this, but
they're afraid for their jobs that are going along with
a lot of this. There's a lot of controversy, but
you know what, everybody is beginning to come to the table.
There's the pencils, the paper program pushing back. People want
textbooks again, they want packages of assignments. You've got to
talk to your kids, you got to get into the schools,

(43:42):
you got to be a partner.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Well, this is up this is per usual and absolute,
you know, listening to you as I trying to drink
from a fire hose, as they say, it's just an
incredible avalanche of information very quickly. Where can people hear
you and follow you during the week? And are you
on other shows platforms that detail this by virtue of
the philanthropy and goodwill of certain certain of our favorite

(44:08):
media moguls.

Speaker 6 (44:09):
Well, listen. We always have to thank John Katsmetidis and
a Catsmetidi's family for supporting the Warriors, for allowing me
to grace the show every Sunday morning, the Cats round Table.
The Catsimatitis family is very invested in keeping kids and
our grandkids safe, so I have a wonderful platform. Thank
you Lionel for always giving me, you know, a voice

(44:31):
to share what's going on, because it is a lot
of information for the public.

Speaker 7 (44:35):
To take in.

Speaker 6 (44:35):
But we can also the sidelines.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
We have to get involved.

Speaker 6 (44:38):
I mean, technology also serve children. Not let me technology.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
If I didn't do any better, I've seen you, Grace.
The pages of some of our are very important and
very critical New York publications and periodicals and tabloids as
of late m M.

Speaker 6 (44:55):
Well, well yet, well, of course we've got the New
York Post, thanks thanks to John Kasmatiti's taking these full
page ads, which helps us to engage the public. Are
warriors out there? When we post phone numbers, you know,
call the Senator, call your state representative. It helps us
with all of our work. Every bit helps and we're

(45:15):
so thankful to that. And you can find me every
day on YouTube under everything is called Lynd's Warriors because
I want everybody to step up and be a warrior.
Thank you, community, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
My darling, Lynd Shaw from Lynd's Warriors. This has been warrior.
We can thank you as usual, my darling. Thank you
for your incredible work. I know because I live with you.
Thank you, beauties and I know what you're doing. Thank
you so much. People talk to you again next week.
Thank you, Love you as well. Coming up more coming
up in an area of our culture that perhaps maybe

(45:45):
you have not thought of. So whatever you do, don't
think about moving on. Stay tuned. This is another side
of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 5 (45:54):
Guys, the other side of Midnight with Vinyl on the

(46:15):
Red Apple Podcast Network.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Dick I asked my friends shades of Peewee FRM this
is lineel with you on another side of Midnight eight
hundred and eighty four, eight nine to two. Again thanks
to Linn Shaw from Linz Warriors Lynzwarriors dot org and
of course Lyn's Warriors on YouTube and Lin's Underscore Warriors

(46:59):
on next. Edward in Indian has been waiting by Edward
wants to elucidate us with the latest regarding flu studies.
I believe is that correct?

Speaker 4 (47:08):
Her?

Speaker 8 (47:09):
Hello Line, Grateful to hear Lynn on the air. She's
so so full of information. No, I wanted to talk
about an old study from MIT that was published in
National Geographic way back about the speed of a sneeze
in the contents and whatever. The effluents are really disgusting.

(47:30):
The photography they did was brilliant and back in the day,
just to show and fifty one hundred miles an hour
the effluence can travel. But they said it's worse to
hold a sneeze in it hurts the throat and the
blood vessels and such than the people who did the
polite you know, the hold the sneeze and and such.

(47:51):
The women focus especially, it's not recommended, but that's five
to six feet distancing. They were saying that was totally
in effect and that, like you said, like Lind said
to it was ineffective.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Why was it ineffective?

Speaker 8 (48:07):
Because these things travel up to twenty seven feet whatever's
coming out of you, uh, and that tried to six
feet is very Uh, it doesn't work, you know. And
Lind said, follow the money trail, and that's what it's
all about, you know. Uh, you know, I used to
watch Governor Cuomo in his mid day and it was

(48:28):
the worst. So it's all about money. Talk about thousan.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Slow down, slow down, slow down, slow down. Are you
suggesting that we should have that the distances was were
greater than six feet, that it was far more contagious? What? What?

Speaker 8 (48:47):
What is the theme of what you were saying, both
sir and that you know it's they they just did
it so they could we could just keep on going
with our lives as we're in.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
Not too.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
So you're saying we should have been women. Are you
saying we should have been quarantined, that we should have
been farmed?

Speaker 3 (49:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (49:06):
We should have been all been wearing bubbles. I know
another doctor.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Wait a minute, excuse me, stop for a second. Wait, wait,
you want us to wear bubbles.

Speaker 8 (49:14):
Well, the bubble boys were actually working with the cars.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Stop for a second. Are you serious? Are you saying
yes or no? You wish we would have worn.

Speaker 8 (49:21):
Bubbles doctors that I know we're wearing.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Are you saying yes or no? Very quickly? Okay, thank
you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, have a nice day
that is patently profoundly insane by definition. More coming up
on another side of Midnight with Meet Lionel. Stay tuned.

Speaker 5 (49:46):
Bubbles The Other side of Midnight with Lionel on the

Speaker 1 (50:14):
M hm, my lo I know, I know, I know,
I know, I know, I know, I know, I know not.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
I know, I know, I know, I know.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
My lone know, I know, I know already Ligne up
with you. This is another side of midnight. I renumber
two of this thing of ours eight hundred and eighty
four eight nine two two two. I was talking to
you before about something which I think is very very critical,

(50:59):
and that is the idea of what we celebrate in
terms of our American culture.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
You know this.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Recently we had FIFA in the World Cup, and while
I don't know anything about football, soccer, whatever you want
to call it, I recognize the fact that, for whatever
it's worth, whether you agree with it or not or
whether you care, the entire world was focused on this
behavior on a game.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
The entire world.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
The world it stopped because of a game. And if
somebody came from another planet and you would say to them,
you know, this is what we do. There are some
things that we become crazy over, and I of course
don't understand it, but that doesn't mean anything. But I

(51:53):
want to tell you something which I am fascinated by,
and it's something which was so much a part of
my life growing up. This past week, on the fourth
of August, it was announced, and this may not mean
anything to you, but former NWA National Wrestling Alliance champion

(52:18):
Dory Funk Junior passed away at the age of eighty five,
I believe eighty five. And what he did was he
was during my childhood, he was one of the great
You see, I grew up initially, which makes kind of

(52:42):
no sense, but I grew up in Florida or Tampa
now Tampa Bay, Tampa, and it's the most it's a
most unique place. Tampa's ap clearwaters, the West coast, whatever
you want to call it. We didn't have. This was
before the Buccaneer years. We didn't have any any any

(53:04):
I don't know, organized sports of sorts. Yeah, we had
Spring Training and the Reds. This is even I think
before even before Steinbrenner and the Yankees, but we really
didn't have We had University of Tampa football, but nothing.
There was nothing except except the greatest wrestling in the

(53:25):
world NWA in the sixties and seventies. It was phenomenal.
And when you were a kid, I was at I
saw Dorry Funk win the title when he beat Gene Kiniski.

(53:46):
I was eleven years old. I was with my father
and I remember this. And when you were a kid,
and you see hulking men not in any way cut
or jacked or no, no six packs they drank a
six pack, They didn't. They were just enormous, enormous, big,

(54:08):
just big. And you could be up so close, and
the venues were so small, not small, but smallish. You
could hear every slap punch, you heard it, you could
see because of the lighting, spit fly blood you Actually

(54:29):
there was a time when, depending upon where you sat,
you could actually get blood on you if depending upon
the massacre, sometimes it would run around the ring, and
that was called juice in the biz, or to use
the Carne language jiazeus, and of course people who were

(54:49):
in the business spoke carny or kiazarni. It was a
language of wrestling itself. It was a part of our
culture when you were a kid. I was, and I
remember one time going, I had no idea what this was,

(55:10):
and we're I mean, it's hot, there are people screaming.
I'm looking at people. That was a I could still
see this woman in my mind. Maybe I'm embellishing this.
She had like a MoMA on and curlers and a
terror and people could smoke inside and she is yelling,
flipping the bird and giving people the finger and yelling

(55:32):
every f laden expl stuff. This is somebody's grandmother, and
screaming and yelling and black and white and everybody just
in this.

Speaker 8 (55:43):
It was.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
It was a cacophony. It was an organic thing. You
don't know what that's like. Because Nce McMahon came along
and ruined it, great for him, terrible for us. The
matches became campy and stupid and theatrical and it's satanic.
And he got rid of the blood and the juice

(56:04):
and the just it lost it. Plus you couldn't hear
you couldn't hear somebody being slapped across the chest, the
sound of a punch, not the stuff you hear on TV.
But to hear it and see it and you realize,
oh my god. People said, oh, that's fake. And you
see somebody dropped on his back from high toop. He's hitting.

(56:26):
Gravity cannot be faked. And I remember one time after
we saw the first match, I was exhausted. I was
just a kid. I had school the next day. That
was just the first match. Then I go to the second,
and by the time at the end of a lights
out or the final, the closer lights out match, or

(56:48):
a Texas death match or something that was like the
Biggie this is all just a revue up. I remember
I came home. I couldn't sleep.

Speaker 9 (57:00):
Well.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
They told my father, don't you ever two of this
on a school night. I couldn't sleep. I thought to myself,
I just saw somebody.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Killed.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
I remember one time walking out of the arena and
Johnny Valentine, remember Greg the hammer Valentine, this is Johnny's father.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Was cut he.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Of course I didn't realize this, but people would have to.
They would cut themselves. It was a gaff or geazaft.
They would have a blade. Normally you could tell if
somebody had some kind of tape on their fingers, you
know there was going to be blood. Sometimes they had
a blade or something secreted in their shorts. I don't
know where how they did that. Maybe they would be
in the turnbuckle, who knows. But he sat there and

(57:48):
he had a nice gaff, gash whatever in his head.
And he was sitting there, collapsed in the corner, and
we left. We walked by, and I'm looking at this man,
sweat and blood, no tears, with blood pulsating from a

(58:08):
wound in his head. I'm ten years old and he's
just sitting there and we're walking by. We didn't know
what to say, like, Johnny, are you okay? Can I
call you an ambulance? Nobody nobody cared. Now let me
ask you something. You want to go watch FIFA be
my guys, want you want to watch the NFL? Go ahead?

(58:30):
You want to Nothing Nothing was like this. And Dorry
Funk from Emeralo, Texas's brother Terry Funk, who was just
one of the greatest heels and wrestling, was you just
don't have it anymore. You don't have it. It's not here.
I'm sorry, kids, it's you're never gonna see it again.

(58:52):
You never saw it.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
And in.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
During that time before Vince McMahon, Vince Senior, his father
was there. He had the WWWF And there were territories
around the country, actual territories, coalitions. You had the NWA.
You had in Florida, this was Eddie Graham. You had
the Crocketts in North Carolina. You had verne Gania in Minnesota.
The AWA you had in Texas was Jack Atkinson, the

(59:21):
Van Erks, the whole family tragedy, all dead overdose. I mean,
just wild Bill Watson. Oklahoma. Not really the West coast,
there wasn't it was. It was East coast for the
most part, or east of the Mississippi, kind of like
the way Coors beer used to be distributed Saint Louis

(59:43):
the Quiel Auditorium and in New York Madison Square Garden.
And it was something the likes of which you'll never
see again. When Pedro Morales and Arnold Skull and then
go on and on and on and on, and when
you grew up and this was something that you just
I'm telling you so years later, I've worked with people,

(01:00:09):
and I say this with all due respect, but some
of the dumbest people I've ever met in my life
were radio programmers, people who just had no clue as
to the culture none. I don't know what they I
don't know where they lived, I don't know what planet
they lived, I don't know where they were raised, if
they noticed anything. And I remember there was some event

(01:00:32):
one time, something that happened, and one of these pds
is a called program Directors, which it's a whole other realm.
This Jadrool said to me, nobody cares about wrestling, and
I remember it was like somebody hit me in the

(01:00:54):
chest with an oar and I looked at him and said,
this was not very good. I said, you are, I'm
a parallel universe. I never want to visit. Do you
know what you just said? Do you know what you
just said? It's like years ago when Dale Earnhardt died.
Anybody understands NASCAR, NASCAR is it's ginormous, but because to

(01:01:18):
their way of thinking, it's well, I don't go to NASCAR,
and if I don't go, nobody goes. And if I
don't understand it. Nobody understands. This is the why people think.
When Dale Earnhart died, America stopped, they wept. It was
it was horrible. There were people There are things in
our cultures NFL yes, and baseball, yes, but there are

(01:01:40):
other things that we do. And when this week, it
was so funny. When I realized that Dori Funk had died,
I thought, oh my god, everything just just flashed back,
and I realized this part of our society we're never
going to see again. It was so wonderful. And everybody
has a grandmother or grandfather usually who would sit and

(01:02:03):
watch this. And sometimes you would say grandma or none
now or no, no, whatever you whatever you want to
call them. You can't watch this. This isn't good for
your health.

Speaker 8 (01:02:14):
No, no, I like this.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
No, don't black and white the old days. And then
what people don't understand how critical this was. Everything was
interesting until gorgeous George came along and changed everything. Post

(01:02:38):
World War Two. This flamboyant, blonde haired, golden Bobby Pinned.
He had the robes and he had this. He was
basically very effeminate, very fay, very.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
There.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
I say, spin Tree, there's a host of great words
for this, and he was the inspiration for Muhammad Ali
and Elton John and Freddie Mercury and glam Rock and
Elvis and Prince. He was the first person ever to

(01:03:16):
add flash panache. This is gorgeous George. Gorgeous George so
much a part of our culture and wrestling was a
balance of good versus evil, the Greek tragedy, the babyface
versus the heel, the good guy versus the bad guy,

(01:03:40):
with rules sort of, with a referee sort of, and
with excitement with some of the greatest performers ever. There
is nothing today, not Broadway, not a concert, nothing where
they have to go out and bring you to the end,

(01:04:01):
to the edge of your seat in a froth. Mick
Jagger couldn't do it. Nobody can do this. Yeah, people
will scream, Yeah, people will clap, Yeah, people will dance.
But to have people feel like they're going to pull
their hair out to be able to put on a
pageant where two people are trying to make it look
and they are so good that they're trying to kill

(01:04:24):
each other. And you're watching this and there's a part
of you that feels relieved that they're not hurting themselves,
because if they did, you would feel ghoulish, You would
feel kind of guilty about it. But you think to yourself,
is this real? Is this Nah? But I'm watching it?

Speaker 7 (01:04:41):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
And before this proliferation of a shoe to you know,
interviews and the destruction of Kfee, which I'll explain, it
was the closest guarded secret there was. Our number is
eight hundred eight four eight nine two two two. Do
you know what I'm talking about? Were you ever a

(01:05:08):
fanatics the world of pro wrestling? Depending upon which part
of the country you lived work coming up on another
side of Midnight with.

Speaker 5 (01:05:17):
Lionel, the other side of Midnight with Linel on the
Red Apple podcast network, What goes.

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
Up Must Go Up?

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
Down?

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Spinning Whale got talked all around that, of course, is
a great David Clayton Thomas who passed away recently from Blood,
Sweat and Tears. This was a Canadian who the greatest
compliment you could ever show, could sing soul in a
black style without sounding like he.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Stole it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
But he's doing some Fox sol He was incredible. Bill Medley,
Corey Wells from Three Dog Night. These were people who
had a particular style, different my friend. If you have
noticed as of late there was this interest in ufc

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mm A marsh Bak's martial arts jiu jitsu, you know,
Joe Rogan and Dana White, that sort of thing. And
there are these folks who are now into grappling and
these tough guys, and it's something which is very very interesting.

(01:07:09):
In fact, it's a wonderful, I think, kind of a return,
so to speak, to the sort of the glory days
of this. I am profoundly unimpressed. I don't know why
I would rather watch boxing than that. I've never caught on.
But they fancy themselves as being able to get on
the mat. They want to get you down. They can

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do chokes, and they can do a variety of things
and you and they have califlower ears. In fact, there
is an organization called the Califlower Ear Club where professional
wrestling they meet every year. They used to where you
have all these old timers, And I one time went
to one with my friend Gordon Soli, and who was

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there was Joe Scarpaugh, also known as Chief Jay Strongbow.
He was yet another Italian pretending to be an Indian.
Remember the fellow Iron Eyed Cody. Remember when you were
a kid in the sixties. He was the Indian and
the canoe. He had the tear coming down his face.

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He's he's Sicilian. I don't know why they he looked Indian,
I guess anyway. And professional wrestling, we'll talk about that later.
But the guy that I met one of the scariest
people ever. To look at him, and even he was
a little bit older than to look at him, you think, okay,

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he was dangerous. He was a hooker and in professional
wrestling talk, this is the ultimate. His name was louth
Thez and Louthez held the longest run in the NWA
for the title. This is when it mattered because for
you to even be I mean, there have been some greates,
Harley Race and Dory Funk, who was the second longest.

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Lou Thez held it for twenty three hundred days, and
there were others who were interesting. He held it twice.
But let me explain to you why this fellow was
so interesting. Again, he looks he looked like a kind
of an in shape man, but he was a killer.
And what happened was he was called a hooker. And

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in the world of professional wrestling, these people don't even
exist anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
He was.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
He was taught by Ed Strangler Lewis, who was the
George Washington of hookers. And what a hooker was was
in the old days of barnstorming. He would go around
the country and they would have somebody who would be
at carnivals and different events, and he would challenge someone,

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if you can beat this fellow, you can win a
backam or whatever. I don't know, and he would have
to lose during the day, and at night he says, okay,
I'm done with this, and he would cripple you, break
an ankle, do things that you submit, submission holds things

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you can't even imagine. And if he were in and
it would not necessarily bring blood though he could. This
guy was a killer and he was lost because he
wasn't flamboyant, but if he knew what to look for,
he was so scary. And that's how these people used
to be in the old days. The Carl gotchiz and

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these people were from European theaters. They were unbe believable.
That was interesting. Also to note, which is critical is
that as this developed, it lost a little bit of
its luster when TV came well, when Vince McMahon came

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and destroyed it because it became too flashy to whatever
you want to call it. But what was the best
about it was that it brought people in black, white, young, old,
and people would lose their minds. And it's something which
I was just thinking during my age. It's over with.

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And I sometimes will go and see online various thanks
to YouTube, I can see some old matches. There's one
thing about wrestling which was so smart. They realized that
you somehow had to go beyond just the story during
do you remember what it was like at the height?
Only wrestling could do this at the height of the

(01:11:34):
Iranian hostage Scare not scare? What am I saying? The
hostage take or take or take take over, whatever you.

Speaker 10 (01:11:42):
Gonna call it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
And they had sergeants slaughter against the Iron Chic. And
Iron Cheek was actually a real Iranian. He was part
of the Shah's bodyguard. He's no kidding, he really was not.
It wasn't a joke because a lot of these people
embellish things left and right. Was the Iron Sheek and
then there was the Original Sheek. And the original Sheek

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was out of Detroit, who was the greatest and All
he did was come out. He never spoke a word.
The most ed Farhat I believe it was his real name,
The scariest one to ever see. He would take pencils, knives, blades,
and he would basically come into the ring and just

(01:12:27):
slice people's heads open. I'm not kidding you. And if
you think I remember somebody said years ago, oh that's
chicken blood and chicken blood. First of all, the idea
of sepsis, and God knows what blood born pathogens are
going to come into play with chicken blood. And not

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only that, you would well, they would bite down on
a blood capsule. They would say, these things, you can't
produce this much blood. You can't do it. So this
was scary stuff. And these people, they had their lives threatened.
And one time in the in the ring, what used

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to be called a shoot was when two people are
in there really fighting it up, and you had to
know what to look for. There are people who were
really interesting. There were different phrases, as you can imagine.
I mentioned the language of Kiazarni being able to speak.
If I'm in the business, you know how in the mafia,

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supposedly they say when you introduce somebody, this is a
friend of ours versus a friend of mine. When you
know how it is, if you say a friend of ours,
that means he's he's he's already made, straightened out, got
his button, got his badge, whatever, whatever the phrase you
want to use. He's a member, he's a sworn member.

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In wrestling. If I introduce somebody to you, and this
is somebody who is a fan, somebody who's in the business,
he's a mark or a MIAs arc, and that is
is this a kind of a reference. If you meet
a fellow wrestler, you have to mention miazar. If you're
in the business and you know you're smart or smazart.

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It was so well documented. If a if a, if
a promoter found that you were seen with your opponent.
If you're a babyface or a heel and you're traveling together.
Remember years ago, who was at Hacksaw, Jim Duggan. I
think in the Iron Chic they were arrested. I think
in New Jersey or the Turnpike or something. What bothered

(01:14:36):
people the most not not the drug, not the drug
possession per se, or the alleged drug possession, but that
a babyface and a heel were traveling together.

Speaker 7 (01:14:45):
It was so.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Protected, and then came the Internet and it destroyed it.
I mentioned this last week, the idea of organized crime,
the not Ohmantha, but oh Martha, the code of silence
in the mob, in the els and mafia, whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
To call it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
That's all shot. Because you have people today doing podcasts
and talking about what they did and they were with
this family and that family. It's over with. It's done.
If it may not seem like much to you, but
when you see professional wrestlers explaining how they either matches
were arranged, the finishes, the referees, it is considered to

(01:15:33):
so many people to be a vile kind of a
what's up?

Speaker 7 (01:15:39):
Just a.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
Violation of the rules. There is you can't believe this.
Years ago, to show you something to the world of
professional wrestling, is this everything goes. The professional wrestler himself
was somebody who was always pulling a rib. The world
is an angle, a rib, a work. They have to

(01:16:06):
deceive you. It's the greatest, the greatest, I guess subject,
the greatest analogy, the greatest piece ever. Years ago we
used to talk about this, but I used to tell
my good friend at the time still is I have
you talked to him in a while. But Curtis Lewa
when he was doing the Guardian Angels thing, this was

(01:16:28):
professional wrestling. This was a character. This was the babyface.
Sometimes it gets there are roles you have to play
and what people don't understand, especially when it comes to
what we do here. You have a role to play.
What is your work? What is your angle? What are
you trying to put out? What is your take? What

(01:16:49):
is your persona? And you have to sell it every
single day life is professional wrestling good for versus evil?
If you watch cable news, it's the good guys versus
the bad guys. Classic wrestling, for example on cable news,

(01:17:10):
Iranians bad bad, nothing good about them, No Persian history,
nothing bad guys. Who these bad guys, Hezbollah bad guys.
That's it, all of them, bad, crazy, evil, There's no

(01:17:33):
wiggle room. That's the way wrestling works. You can't be
you can't be unsurius. We see a good guy, see
a bad guy, We're not really sure. And history historically
and hysterically also I found fascinating when I was a
kid and I had no idea about it. I didn't
know who World War what World War II was about.

(01:17:55):
I didn't know. There were these groups of people, and
if you've ever seen professional rights of the old days,
there were certain themes. If you wanted to be a German,
if that was your style, you had to shave your head,
You wore black tights, and you were known for one thing,
and one thing only, the claw. You would take your
hand and grab somebody by the head and squeeze their

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head until they were unconscious or whatever. That's what you did.
Baron von Rashki, go down the list. They were all
the Germans, were all Nazis, and they would grab your head.
I don't know why they just did this. Years ago
there was a group called the von Brahnners and they

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would do a lot of different things. They were managed
by a fellow named gentleman Saul Weingroff. He was a
Jew representing Nazis, even wore a Nazi helmet. History meant
nothing to these people, meant absolutely nothing. Nobody cared, nobody.
We had Koreans, Samoans and Tongans are always wild, crazy haired, frantic,

(01:19:03):
step on you, pompero, firpo haku or ming. The dangerous,
the most dangerous wrestler in the toughest to day and
to date historically. Barn None is a fellow name by
the name of Hakku or Ming or Meng. Now, for

(01:19:24):
those of you who speak Sicilian, if I Sayming, it
is a different converence, a different connotation. He one time
famously was alleged to have bitten a man's nose off
in a in a barroom fight. Absolutely did did. I mean,
just the most dangerous person anybody's ever seen now, and

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that angle brought them, brought people into that, that reputation
came into the ring. So we had I've seen this
growing up with something which again I didn't know who
the good guys were, the bad guys. The greatest performers
ever and some of the greatest athletes ever. Try going
an hour an hour running around with a bunch of

(01:20:10):
people at the ring at ringside. But they used to
be called ring rats. The girls, the women who would
go from from arena to arena were called arena rats
or these were the groupies who oh yeah, this was
so huge. Later on it kind of it would break

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down into outlaw kind of lower versions of this in
high school matches, pretty lower case, if you will. The
reason why this is important to me was the fact
that there was nothing today like that. And this is
before anybody worried about violence. This is when America was tough.
This is when we used to say, this is great,

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this was fun. We weren't afraid. We weren't wearing helmets
when we rode a bike. I know that's safe. We
weren't worried about things. We weren't worried about anything. We
were tough, and we celebrated it, and we loved it.
And women and men, I'm telling you it was one
of the most ecumenical things you've ever seen in professional wrestling.

(01:21:21):
Didn't matter if you were black or white, as long
as you're good. They had women against each other. Mullah, uh,
what's her name? Oh God, the fabulous Mullah was one
in the I forget the oldest, Oh God, Dolores or doors.
They had midgets, midgets, sky lo low little beaver, midget women,

(01:21:47):
every conceivable, political corrects meant, nothing meant And they had
deaf wrestlers. And they didn't have blind but they had
people with different handicaps or people who were It was
also cheating and the world of the referee. The referee
was the most important part of it. And I'll tell

(01:22:08):
you why. The referee was the guy in the middle
who knew the finish, and he would tell you what
you're trying to convey to your partner. We know the finish.
We know in five minutes, ten minutes, whatever it is.
We know how I'm going to end. I'm going to
put you over. You were going to win, but I've

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got to sell it. I've got to bring heat. As
they say, I can't just pin you. It's got to
be built up. That's where our ring savvy comes in.
We know the end, we know the result, but how
do we get there? So sometimes I'm telling you what
to do in the ring, I'm talking to you. Sometimes

(01:22:49):
you might miss it. The referee is listening. He understands,
he can convey it. He is the general. He knows
exactly where this is going. He's probably more important than
anything else. And the referee was so good that if
the audience didn't like a particular end or particular result,
he would turn to the audience and ask them, what

(01:23:10):
do you think? And you can actually change decisions a
virtue of applause. Imagine Yankee Stadium strike. You're out, boo Okay,
maybe not. I loved it. You suspend every aspect of reality.
Rob is in white planes. Rob, you're on another side
of Midnight with Lionel. Rob. I think you understand what

(01:23:32):
I'm talking about, don't you?

Speaker 11 (01:23:34):
I do, I do absolutely. Are you related to Lionel Hampton?

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Yes, he's my twin brother.

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
Rob.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
You have a wit. Rob, you have a wit. Lionel
Barrymore and Lionel Hampton. Lionel, you are seriously you have
been given a sense of humor that is very dangerous.
Don't abuse it. Very few people have your insight.

Speaker 11 (01:23:59):
I can't have to abuse anyone anyway. Bruno San Martino
was at the Westchester County Center. I was about twelve
years old. After the show and it was a show,
I guess he was in a parking lot and I
asked him for his autograph, but no paper.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
We had no paper.

Speaker 12 (01:24:15):
He wrote it on the back of my T shirt.

Speaker 11 (01:24:18):
I moved out of the house after I got married,
right and he died. I went to my mother. I said, okay,
where's my clothes? And she gave my clothes to Goodwill.

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
Oh no, he was.

Speaker 12 (01:24:35):
Quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
Do you stop for a second, will stop for a second? Stop, stop, stop.
I want somebody I want you to explain to Can
you hear me? Can you hear me when I'm speaking
about okay, I want you to explain to somebody who's
listening right now, who says, I don't know who this
person is? How big was he? And what was it all?

Speaker 8 (01:24:57):
My kid?

Speaker 13 (01:25:00):
In the Northeast, I don't know about down where you were, Lionel,
but in the Northeast he was god. You could get
his name on a poster and everyone they would tell
the county set of three thousand seats.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
But he Now think about this. Was there anybody else
in any other sporting venue that meant as much? I'm sorry,
I'm sure Babe Ruth was more popular. But remember when
he and people like Arnold Scholand and others, I'm trying
to think of who would have been in this particular
general they could sell out the garden without fail.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
I mean that's right.

Speaker 11 (01:25:43):
You almost had to here. Who were they were fighting
that night?

Speaker 12 (01:25:46):
If they were there, you were there, Rob.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
I thank you, my friend, and thank you for your
rape year with eight hundred eight four eight nine two
to two two. This is this is the thing. You know,
when you talk to people in this country, and you
say who was the greatest, who was the most popular
athlete of all time? And we would say, oh, Muhammad
Ali or Babruy's like no Pele, because more people knew

(01:26:10):
who he was than anybody else.

Speaker 14 (01:26:13):
And in our world, what.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
These people represented. This was not an athlete. This was
an athlete meets performer meets I don't know what the
world is. I had the opportunity. It was very good
friends with Bobby the Brain. Heenan knew him very very well.
We worked together, and I was tangentially I did not know,

(01:26:39):
but I was in the same company or the same
area with Andre the Giant. And there is nothing I'm
telling you that's a whole I could do a whole
show on that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
One.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
One of the saddest stories, but one of the most
incredible drinkers you have ever seen. I think he holds
the record for how many beers he.

Speaker 6 (01:27:09):
He could.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
I mean, he was just infamous, but changed the course.
And these people, by the way, this was this was
international and if you think they're big here in Japan,
you can't even get near it. Bob and Queens. Bob,
you're on the other side of midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 4 (01:27:28):
Hello, line, listening to your show, and I'm thoroughly enjoying
it because well, I'm seventy five years old, but I
was a huge wrestling fan back in the day, and
so many of these names that you're bringing up, I
so remember so well, and it was just great. It

(01:27:50):
was terrific stuff. I mean, when you were talking about
Lou Says and all, and when he ruled the NWA
for many years, there was all I had talked. There
were trying to hook him up against San Martino at
the time when Sam Martino was the champ of the
w W w F. Remember and also, uh, it came

(01:28:11):
to mind that you may recall the famous I used
to go to many matches with it a good friend
of mine at the old Madison Square Garden on fifteenth
Street and Eighth Avenue. Yeah, but a little before that,
I wasn't in attendance with this. Remember the famous riot
at Madison Square Garden that pitted Dtor Jerry Graham, Wow,

(01:28:36):
the Bruiser against Antonino RockA who was huge in New
York and I think he was he was Ariel.

Speaker 9 (01:28:46):
He was easy.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
Hang on a second, he would do famous or flying
drop kick. Remember that one Luke Graham. Remember there was
doctor who was Jerry Graham, Eddie Graham. They weren't related,
and uh and Dick the Bruiser. If I recall Dick
the Bruiser, didn't he die tragically He was working out

(01:29:08):
and a barbell fell on his neck in his lips,
This huge Dick the Bruiser. These they were just hulking people.
But tell me about the riot, tell me about that.

Speaker 4 (01:29:22):
Well, so, yeah, so you know, wrestling even this was
probably if I had a guess, towards the late fifties,
you know. Uh, and even certainly back then they would
sell at Gardon Out, you know, pretty much just about
every month because they had the matches every month. And
so it pitted the Bruiser and uh and doctor Jerry Graham, who,

(01:29:47):
by the way, him and his brother Eddie Graham, if
you remember, but they looked well really similar, but they
weren't really brothers.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
There was also crazy do you remember crazy Luke Graham.
There were the Graham brothers. They were not brothers, correct.

Speaker 4 (01:30:02):
Right, right? And so uh so again the Bruiser and
doctor Graham against Antonino Rocker and I believe Miguel Perez
because Rocker and Perez were a famous tag team back then,
and the Bruiser and and doctor Jerry Graham. From what

(01:30:22):
I recall, we're doing some really crazy things, bringing bringing
both Rocker and Perez close to death right in the ring,
and relentlessly they wouldn't give up. The fans started going
crazy and they they had to stop the match. They
ended up borring uh Dictor Bruiser from ever wrestling in

(01:30:46):
New York again. Okay, and yeah, yeah it was great.
Well so they say, right Richard, the story I remember.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
He died in Tampa. He was Dick the Bruiser was
sixty two years old, a young man. He was lifting weights.
The weights slipped or something. He had died of internal hemorrhaging.
It crushes esophagus. It's a very tragic, tragic case. Thank you, yes, yes,
I thank you so much for your call. Let me

(01:31:17):
tell you about this one. This was the one, the
thing that I saw, which this is a true true story.
There was a again in wrestling in the old days,
there was nothing they would not do. There was nothing
that was tacky, nothing that was excessive. There was a
fellow you might have known him. His name was Steve Kern.
You might have known him as Gator Current. He had

(01:31:39):
some I don't know his gimmick with he was a
trapped gators or something. His father, Kernel Curn was in Vietnam.
I think he was a Vietnam pow. It might have
been World War two as well, but a legitimate, a
legitimate actual because you don't we didn't know what to believe.

(01:32:01):
There's one thing about wrestling. You don't believe anything nothing.
It's everything is a lie, everything is prevarication, and it's
it's nonsense. Anyway. So when he came out, Steve Kerrn
when his father, when he was growing up, he was raised,
I helped tremendously by Eddie Graham who also he died

(01:32:25):
tragically commit by suicide, his son, Mike Graham, his grandson.
It's that these stories in real life. Okay, So Steve
Curran has his debut, his father is there, Gordon solely
the greatest announcer ever. Here's the here's the angle. They
bring out Colonel Current. They had to talk him into it.

(01:32:47):
He's a pow or was. He comes out and Steve
Current says, I'm so glad that I'm being able to
wrestle in front of my father welcome back, you're an
American hero and playing this up like you can't believe.
A fellow named Bob Rup came out and said something

(01:33:07):
to the effect of, you know, this man's a coward
anybody who lets himself be you know. They they claim
that Trump said that I am McCain, but he didn't.
This was unequivocal. I can't go into detail, but there
were a lot of people who took it very seriously.

(01:33:29):
And in Tampa the time we have a play had
aas called McDill Air Force Base. Now it's called Sencom
and there was a lot of people there who heard
this and didn't care for it. I'll just leave it
at that. When this match came out. When when Bob
Rup said this, Steve Kerrn came out, screamed, looked, almost cried,

(01:33:53):
how dare you blaspheme to smirch my father a legitimate pow.
He said, I demand a lights out match. Lights out
match means that at the end of the evening they
symbolically turn the lights off for just a second to
mean that all quote NWA sanctioned matches are over. What

(01:34:13):
you're about to see is done outside of the auspices
We're not going to take any responsibility. Whatever happens happens.
If somebody dies, it's their problem. Lights out match. I
was there front row. I'm going to tell you something
I wanted to be. If this was fake, I'm sure

(01:34:38):
might have been exaggerated. This was the greatest performance in
the history of human theater. He took this universal, the
strap of the Universal. You know that the wrestlers were
wrapped it around his neck, and I swear to god,
his eyes were rolling back.

Speaker 8 (01:34:53):
In his head.

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
I'd never seen anything like that. People were losing their mind.
I was in this room. I've seen a lot of
things in the concerts, been to Broadway, been to I
don't know, you know, different venues, different events. I have

(01:35:14):
never been in a room where the organic this this connectivity.
It was like watching I guess, the closest thing to
a coliseum or or gladiators or something. I think people
were actually calling for blood. Now you're thinking this guy's exaggerating.

(01:35:35):
I'm not. And I was in college. I'm not even.
I'm not even. I wasn't a kid.

Speaker 3 (01:35:39):
Then.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
It was the greatest event I've never seen anything. I
wish they could have taken my wife because she hears
me talk about this, and then the people that I've
worked with and you know, they're they're just there. There
is a breed of entertainer. Take take some of the
best sportsman ever, great athletes, many of them either some

(01:36:05):
were Olympians, some were collegiate, and put them in this
venue and it's like nothing you've ever seen before. And
you either know what I'm talking about or you don't.
And the sad part is we will never see the
likes of this again. This was a part of our
American culture and around the world as well, but not

(01:36:27):
like here. And it's so quintessentially prototypically American. And if
ever you saw that, you saw something like again, I'm
saying you will never see again. It's gone, It's done.
Nobody does this anymore. Our numbers eight hundred and eighty four,

(01:36:48):
eight nine two too too. Also coming up a very
critical story as we look to back to school. This
is line all with you on another side of midnight, the.

Speaker 5 (01:37:15):
Other side of midnight with Lionel on the Red Apple
podcast Network.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
How are you line up with you on another side
of midnight? You know Casey in the Sunshine Bank. Casey
is still doing his thing. I think he's on cruise ships.
There there has been this this plethora of stars who
don't know when to stop. Have you seen Celine dion Lley?
Oh my god, as we say Michina, Oh bad, bad,

(01:38:05):
Barry Manilow, he looks like he's got a rubber mask on. Horrid.
Frankie Valley, the worst of the worst of the words.
Finally they had to pull the plug. They did the
same thing with Glenn Campbell. They were trying to run
Glenn Campbell. Oh, his family just kept, you know, pushing him.
He was really, really bad. And we're seeing this more

(01:38:26):
and more and more. Madonna's kindest maybe close. There's a
point when you've got to say stop. But Casey bless
us hard. He weighs about three hundred pounds and he's
still doing his boogie. He's on cruise ships. Boogie. I
think he was out of Miami. And I could never
understand what is this fixation with boogie? Do you boogie? Boogie?

Speaker 10 (01:38:49):
Nice?

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
Boogie? Ugi oogie. I still don't know what a boogie is.
Get on the floor and boogie. Everybody wants to boogie.
I didn't even know what that means. Now coming up
my friends, this is back to school. And if ever
there's something that if I could be president for one

(01:39:11):
reason and one thing or I don't know, even if
president has jurisdiction over this, I would take school and
when I got done with it, you wouldn't recognize it.
We are so behind the world right now. And the
question I have is, was there anybody in your life,
a teacher who made the biggest impact on you that

(01:39:36):
changed your life? Do they exist anymore? I'd like to think,
So let's talk about that and everything we've talked here
before on Another side of Midnight with.

Speaker 5 (01:39:46):
Wine, the Other side of Midnight with Lionel on the
Red Apple pot Cast Network.

Speaker 1 (01:40:27):
My loan, I know, I know nine lo I know,
I know, I know, I.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
Need not know how ready all I know would do.
This is the third the final hour of this installment
of this version of Another Side of Midnight, This thing
of ours eight hundred and eighty four eight nine two
do to my friends. I don't know about you, but
I'm finding myself more and more tending to wax nostalgic,

(01:41:10):
just looking back at what is better, what is worse.
I certainly would not want to go back to everything
in the past. I do not want that. I think
that while we say terrible things sometimes and for good reason,
about the Internet and various aspects of that, when it
comes to research, when it comes to the compilation and

(01:41:33):
the codification of information, there's no way you can beat
what theoretically could be available online versus you going into
the dusty stacks of a library which may or may
not have the particular book you're looking for. I think
things are much better in terms of that. My ability

(01:41:56):
to access music today is financially greater than anything in
the past. But there are some things which, unfortunately you
cannot see. I don't know why I'm finding myself not
interested in attending any concert, Maybe because the people who
were who were who are performing I don't particularly care for.

(01:42:19):
But there was a time when people actually had to
be musicians. It was a different time. But my access
to music now is better than it ever was. Spotify
is the greatest thing has ever ever come about. Not
only that, but just other you know, Apple Music and
this and that, and even even you know, Amazon Music,

(01:42:41):
but your ability to access scores and scores of of
of algorithm like music settings are wonderful. Things are so
much better now in many respects, But there's a couple
of things. As I mentioned before, the second hour professional wrestling,
there's nothing there's nothing like it today. You cannot see that.

(01:43:02):
You can't see it on TV, you can't go It's
just the storyline and they don't know any better. And
I appreciate that. I appreciate what Vince McMahon tried to
do then. But the other day we were walking my
wife and I I forget what store and I said, oh,
back to school? Is that back to school? Already? Seems
like they're going back to school earlier and earlier, which

(01:43:25):
made me think, why do we have school? Which made
me think what would I do if I could change things?
And I am so lucky in many respects. I didn't
realize this at the time, but I'm lucky that I
attended parochial school, Catholic school growing up. At the time,
I thought it was horrible. We had uniforms and the nuns.

(01:43:48):
I did not understand who these people were. These were
actual nuns with cardboard and black veils, and they were
just they were just incredible and They represented something which
were just beyond anything you can imagine, and it was
so much better. And if we had them today like

(01:44:11):
I had, it would be a better place. They changed me,
they set me on a course.

Speaker 3 (01:44:21):
It was the best.

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
We never had anybody acting out, nobody ever skipped a grade.
Some people were held back. I remember somebody went, we
heard that this one kid. I don't know if it
was true or not, but they always told us this
one kid was held back because of his handwriting. I
couldn't understand that our ability to compete in the world
today is just so pathetic because the fundamentals of what

(01:44:51):
education used to be, it's completely gone. If you follow
the story of this charlatan, this con, this ursa, this fictive,
this pretend, this Cambridge scholar who claims to be autistic.
I mean it is a story which is so he's black.

(01:45:12):
He's black, and everybody is so interested in promoting him
that they realize he's a con. So what he's doing
is of course making the on the onslaught of this
to be race related. Somewhere along the lines, we lost
the schools, we lost what it was. And if I

(01:45:33):
could be the president, if I could run this country.
I would make sure that we had a different system
where we would identify people people who are really talented,
and I would treat them the same way that we
treat somebody who is an athlete. We live in a
country of some of the stupidest people I've ever heard.
In fact, it is okay. I hear mispronunciations, I hear

(01:45:56):
bad English, I hear people who are barely able to
cobble together as and it's acceptable. I see right now
where profanity has somehow been elevated to some status that
we look at admirably. Flipping people off, f bombing. I'm

(01:46:18):
not a prude. I will argue that in some respects
the ability to curse to something which is critical for
you to get along in the world. You have to
you have to be able to speak and to converse
via Dare I say coprolalia as it is called, but

(01:46:38):
to for it to replace regular thinking?

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
Have you ever received an email from somebody or text
and you're saying, what does this even mean? People can't
even write today. People can't write.

Speaker 8 (01:46:51):
If you.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
Possess a vocabulary that used to be considered eighth grade.
This was maybe a in the turn of the centuries,
or maybe in the forties or fifties, and certainly certainly
not in the nineteenth century, which you would have been
considered almost pedestrian. You're considered showing off. Why are you

(01:47:14):
saying that? Why are you showing off? Why are you daring?
If you're a logo dentalist, a Cesscobadalian, if you're a
logo file if you're a oh my god, why are
you doing this? Why are you using big words? We
live in an anti intellectual world of chuffs in, churls

(01:47:35):
and bores and the idiots all over the place. I'm
telling you, good luck, good luck trying to do anything
about that at all. So as parents get their kids
ready for a new school year, ask yourself, are they

(01:47:56):
learning anything? And looking back in your life, was there
ever a teacher, a person, someone who affected you positively
for the rest of your life, open something up, allowed
you to see something or think something that nobody else did.

(01:48:17):
So we'll take that, we'll piggyback on what we've spoken
about here before, and let's go. If I could, to
Charlie in Bayside, you're on another side of midnightwood Linel.

Speaker 10 (01:48:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:48:29):
Back in the seventies, when I was in grade school,
middle school, me and my friend Craig, we were the nerds,
I guess, and we were watching wrestling on Channel forty
one Luchaibre Spanish commentators, and it was funny and great
and we didn't understand the word, but we enjoyed it.
And we had all the old timers there, Chief j Strongbow,

(01:48:51):
mister Fuji Tanaka, we really with all the little guys
that were fast and not bulky, and it was wonderful
back then. And years later I have a friend who
became a chef in Atlanta, and all the wrestlers will
come in there and all the bad guys, I'm good
guys will be at the same table.

Speaker 10 (01:49:10):
Oh no, no, see, yeah that is something Sargeant flow
at the same table that. Yeah, they were all friends
off the off the camera.

Speaker 2 (01:49:22):
I wish. And by the way, thank you for your call.
Do you know how in the old days that was
sober boat and that would have gotten you fired for
you to publicly show that. K fabe k fabe ky
fabe was the phrase for maintaining the mystery, the storyline

(01:49:45):
behind that was in the old days. This is one
version of it in the old days when wrestlers would
check in before cell phones. They would check in with
their wives or families to let them know that they've
reached their destination or what have you, because the traveling
was just ungodly. But at any event, they would call
person to person, a color call for k Fabe, and

(01:50:10):
somebody was saying, I'm sorry, he's not here, thank you
very much, And that would be a way of saying
I'm here without paying for the call. Kids, It don't
even know what that means. It was so adherent to
Mexican Luceli what a wrestling is. On another level with

(01:50:31):
the masks, there was the most famous Mexican restaurer big
in this country was mill Moscatis a thousand masks, and
I don't know if he ever took his mask off,
if anybody knew who he was. I have no idea
to wear the mask, to wear a hood as it

(01:50:54):
is referred to, We don't really see this anymore. But
there was something very very eerie, very frightening about it.
And of course whenever somebody came in wearing a hood
as they say you had, what you did was you
would take it and slide it, turn it halfway, make

(01:51:15):
a corner turn and now they're blinded because the eye
holes are where his ear is. And it was very,
very funny. That's the patented reaction. Brandon, Brandon and Chicago.
You're on another side of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 7 (01:51:33):
Hey, Lionel, thanks for taking my call. Yes, sir, I
just wanted to comment on the wrestling topic. You know,
it's something that me and my grandma actually shared kind
of a special thong over. You know, here's this. You know,
she's ninety six now, but she came to the country

(01:51:55):
in sixty nine from a little town in what used
to be Ugislaw which is now Serbia, which borders borders Romania,
and uh, you know, she speaks Romanian, all the Romanian traditions.
She's Romanian Orthodox. Uh you know, made her own bread,
made her own egg noodles. And here she is, you know,

(01:52:17):
watching wrestling and loving wrestling, and she would just get
so into it. And I just thought that was so fascinating,
and I wanted to ask you if you've ever seen
the ic. You know, he goes through the fireballs and.

Speaker 2 (01:52:31):
Stuff that I know you're talking about. You're talking about
the original Chic, not the Irons.

Speaker 8 (01:52:38):
This was in.

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
This was in Detroit, w His name was ed Farhat.
He was the original one. He had the the whatever,
not the turbane, but whatever that that, you know, the
you know, the the thing we do with the fan
belt or whatever whatever you call that thing. He was,
you know, he never spoke a word. He never spoke

(01:52:59):
a word that you could hear. He never ever had
a wrestling move, he never ever. There was no finish,
there was no nothing. He would come out with a pencil,
a pen some type of a dagger and he would
just cut people's heads open. There was nothing like it.
He was the ultimate, probably the scariest heel of them all. Now,

(01:53:25):
you might just something about your grandmother. Do you know
how many people share that with, especially foreign grandparents, grandfather,
grandmother who they loved this and sometimes they would even
try to tell these people, listen, don't watch this. This
isn't good for your health. Take it easy. You might
get too excited, but you will always have that with her.

(01:53:47):
And it was something that you and you basically sees
your grandmother and you're looking at her and you're saying,
I dig this. She knew what was going on.

Speaker 3 (01:53:56):
You did.

Speaker 2 (01:53:57):
Isn't that a beautiful thing. I don't think people can
understand unless you've been a part of this. This is
alien to them, would you agree?

Speaker 7 (01:54:06):
Most definitely. And she doesn't speak English, if anything, it's
broken English. You know, she doesn't understand much English. But
you know she would just get so into it. And
you know when the guys you know her, she'd be like,
oh my gosh.

Speaker 4 (01:54:23):
You know she think it's real.

Speaker 2 (01:54:26):
And isn't it funny. Also, you've got this is a
woman who has lived here for a long since nineteen
sixty nine, who never bothered to learn English. I've got
relatives like that. They never bothered because in her enclave,
in her world, she never had to. But don't you
think if you were in a country you would just
pick it up. Don't you think you would pick up

(01:54:47):
the language? You couldn't help it. But I've got relatives
like this who never learn English their entire life. I
don't know if it's obstinacy or something I kind of
admire in a weird way. Brandon, I thank you so
much for calling it, thank you so much for sharing
that with this. Eight hundred eighty four eight nine two
two two. My friends, be not mistaken. This is another

(01:55:11):
side of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 5 (01:55:24):
The other side of Midnight with Linel on the Red
Apple Podcast Network.

Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
That's right, when you're talking in your sleep, I hear
the secrets that you're cute number eight hundred and eight
or eight to eight hundred nine for a nine two
two two. You know what's funny? Have you ever thought,
wouldn't it be something if you could see your grandparents
again now at your age now and them at their age,

(01:56:16):
or to see them at roughly the same age, wouldn't
you wouldn't that be something? Or to even be with
your parents, to meet your parents, your mother and father,
and you're the same age they are, what would they
look like to you? I'm thinking more and more. I
don't know if I'm just waxing philosophic, but I always think,

(01:56:39):
what would that be like today? Eight hundred eight four
eight nine two two two. Let's go back at the
if almost back to the final. Let's go to Mike
in New Jersey. Mike, you're on another side of midnightwood Linel.

Speaker 12 (01:56:51):
Hey, let on how you doing? What's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:56:53):
Good sir?

Speaker 1 (01:56:54):
So?

Speaker 12 (01:56:54):
I used to go and see wrestling at the Washington
Armory in Auburny, New York, which was, of course north
of where you were in Tampa. So I got to
witness it. I got to witness the giant in person. Unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:57:09):
I mean, what is that describe described with somebody seven
to four and towards the end he was he was
at about five hundred pounds, but seven four did you
did you ever see the picture of him? He could
take a can of beer, a regular can, and if
he put his hand, he could he could hide it.

(01:57:30):
His hand was like it wasn't real. I can't tell
you the stories I heard. He was very, very difficult
when he was traveling on planes.

Speaker 12 (01:57:45):
Oh, I've seen the specials, which was sad. It was
said to hear about it.

Speaker 2 (01:57:49):
Well, how about when he had to go to the bathroom,
I'm going to leave that. And when he would go
to the hotels, he never and he never. He he
people would look at him, and no matter how much
it would gawk at him, it would stare at him.

(01:58:09):
People looked afraid.

Speaker 3 (01:58:11):
He hated.

Speaker 2 (01:58:13):
He would he drank, you know, he would he drank
at level.

Speaker 12 (01:58:17):
Eight eighty or one hundred and twenty beers in like
a sitting Yes, seriously, yes, yeah, I mean a lot,
a lot. I mean, but I mean I I was
probably ten years old, right, see, and I remember he
walked down the aisle to go into the ring right,
and I remember stand, I looked up, I looked left

(01:58:40):
and they had to look right. I couldn't see him.
I mean, you couldn't see the man in your own view.
It was crazy, totally crazy. I mean, he was enormous.

Speaker 2 (01:58:50):
But there was a story Bobby Heenen told May years ago.
Bobby was his managers. You know, the boy was never
he Bobby the brain was the greatest, sweetest, smartest man
you'll ever meet. So anyway, Andre Andre did not really
go out. He liked to go to places where he could.

(01:59:11):
He felt that nobody would bother him, where he would
be accepted. Each town, he had a favorite place. Well,
one night they were someplace I don't know where it was,
so Andre said, come on, let's go out, which was
a rarity. So they went to this bar and the
way Bobby tells the story, he walks in Andrea's and
he sees this woman with her back she's at the
bar with her back turned. And he turns to Bobby

(01:59:34):
and he says, I know her. I can't do the voice,
but I know it. So he creeps. So he walks
over behind her. He wants to surprise her. Now there's wooden.
The bar himself has wooden planks, so as he takes
a step, it's cracking and creaking. Now listen to this.
Imagine she's looking straight ahead. Wait, wait, let me finish.

Speaker 3 (01:59:57):
Let me look.

Speaker 2 (01:59:58):
She's looking ahead. The bartender is looking at her. The
bartender looks up and sees this seven foot four, five
hundred pound giant creeping up behind her. To surprise her,
he puts his hands around her neck to pretend like playfully.

(02:00:22):
This man's face looks like he's seen a ghost. She
doesn't know what this is. She looks over and she
sees these baseball bat fingers, and she says, what the
hell is this? He leans over, looks at her. He's
got this head the size of a watermelon, these little
shoe peg teeth, and the hair. Anyway, it's the wrong woman,

(02:00:48):
it's not hers. She almost loses control of her bodily functions,
and she says, oh, what the hell is this? Imagine
that you're thinking face to face up close, and I'm
sure his breath is not exactly so, but this was
a guy who years There was a story that's the

(02:01:08):
most Also, there was a great remember a guy by
the name of the Ultimate Warrior. Remember this, Yes, yep,
he used to be called used to be called the
Dingo Warrior. He wrestled in Dallas years ago, and he
was all rotted up and he was he was real
stiff and he just never never could work. As they say.

(02:01:29):
It wasn't a good wrestler people. He would hurt people.
So there was this story, well listen to this. So
the rule was Vince said that Bobby said that whatever
you do, don't hurt Andre. He was in the last
legs of his career and just don't hurt him. Well,
the Warrior supposedly decided, I'm going to show him kind

(02:01:51):
of whose boss. So yeah, so he went off the ring.
Ropes came back and he basically like close was lying
Andre and he and Andre looked at a little wobbly
and Bobby is screaming, that's enough, they're going crazy. I
said no more, and Bobby says, don't worry. I mean
the Andrea, don't worry. He did it again. Now this

(02:02:14):
time it really kind.

Speaker 3 (02:02:15):
Of rocked him.

Speaker 2 (02:02:16):
And Andre was not doing well towards you, and he
had acromegaly. They said, do you never live past forty? Okay.
What he finally did was he turns to Bobby because
he sees that the Warrior is going to do this again.
And he turns to Bobby and he says, he says, what,
wait a minute, are you gonna let me finish your this? Okay,

(02:02:36):
you can maybe anticipate what I'm gonna say anyway, So
he said, watch watch this. He puts his hand out
as he comes off the ring and it hits him
flat in the face. His paint goes sideways. He is
not He's almost going to pass out. Andre has to

(02:02:57):
quote put him over, meaning he's got to win. The
guy's almost unconscious. This is actually happening. I thank you
so much. Might call me again. I've got to say
something that is the most I've got to say something.
It's not your fault. This phone system does not allow
us to speak like regular people. So as I'm talking,

(02:03:19):
he's saying, h huh yeah, yeah yeah, uh huh uh huh.
I say, let me get this out, and it's not
his fault. So ifever, you're wondering why is this happening.
It's not out of rudeness. It's this system. I don't
know what it is. It doesn't allow for regular phone conversation.
It's like when one talks, the other is shut off

(02:03:41):
or in any of it. Enough of that explanation, Robert
in New York, you're on another side of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 3 (02:03:49):
Well, well, well, good morning. Why you know you know?

Speaker 1 (02:03:52):
Where have you been, sir?

Speaker 2 (02:03:55):
Where have you been?

Speaker 3 (02:03:57):
Well, I'm about to tell you that I just got
back to days ago from a marvelous trip to Western Canada,
where I was part of a music train. We ran
around the Prairie provinces for four days. For five days,
the entire train was taken over by musicians and storytellers,
and we would stop at local spots and we would

(02:04:19):
perform for the locals for free.

Speaker 2 (02:04:22):
Now explain to folks who are listening what it is
that you do.

Speaker 3 (02:04:27):
Good sir, Well, I'm retired. I taught history to high
school and college students for forty years, but I've been
retired for twenty seven and now I travel all over
the UK, killing one of the United States, and collect folklore.

Speaker 2 (02:04:44):
Now explain what that means.

Speaker 3 (02:04:47):
I collect ballads. I collect jacktails, I collect riddles, I
collect folk speech.

Speaker 2 (02:04:55):
And what do you do when you collect them? You say,
jack tales?

Speaker 7 (02:05:00):
What is that?

Speaker 3 (02:05:01):
Yes, a jacktail is a story from European tradition where
it's a I guess you'd call it a magical tale
where there are earth and three sons, and the youngest
of which is named Jack or Jacques or Ti Jean
or anything. He's the youngest son, He's the kind son.

(02:05:24):
He's the one who does things for strangers, as opposed
to two nasty brothers who think they're clever and smart.
But he always wins the princess, and he always becomes
the king's daughter and king's son in law. But somehow
he loses all his fortunes until the next story. And
in the United States there are jacktails that have been

(02:05:45):
found in North Carolina, West Virginia, Tennessee, all over the South,
any of the places.

Speaker 2 (02:05:53):
Yes, when you collect these, make do you chronicle them?
Do you pass them on to you? What do you
do with your stories once you absorb them? Hear them,
learn them?

Speaker 3 (02:06:06):
In most cases where I get permission to tell the
stories because sometimes to see, stories are family stories, and
you like to credit the origins of them if I
perform myself, which I do in many cases. Most of them, however,
I put in my private files when I come home

(02:06:26):
from my own edification.

Speaker 2 (02:06:29):
Now you were a history professor, instructor, teacher, what have you?
Tolstoy said famously that history would be a wonderful thing
if only it were true. How much of what you
have taught is indeed a jacktail, a mythology, an old
wives tale, or a fable disguised as history.

Speaker 3 (02:06:53):
Well much of history? What's the old phrase? I'm sure
you've heard the Kenard histories written by the winners. Yes,
the losers sit around saying shut up and deal.

Speaker 2 (02:07:06):
Also, Napoleon said that history is a myth that men
agree to believe or to follow. We say things. I
cannot tell you how many times I hear people say things.
For example, one of my favorites is how people still
insist that somewhere and you might have wondered about the

(02:07:29):
mighty they, because people will say, you know, they've said,
they've proved, they've that whenever there's a full moon, that
emergency rooms are filled with people because they have said this,
they and it's never there's no there's no evidence of
this at all, none whatsoever.

Speaker 11 (02:07:50):
Zero.

Speaker 2 (02:07:51):
It doesn't exist. There is no there, there's never been.
But they or you for people say that if you
swim too soon after you've eaten, you'll get to cramp
and sink to the bottom and die.

Speaker 3 (02:08:05):
How do the god I heard that? When I was
a kid, my parents would always say you shouldn't you
shouldn't take a bath, or you shouldn't swim too soon
after you've eaten.

Speaker 2 (02:08:14):
Yes, and the theory behind this do you know how
you know the mechanism behind that? Why that works? Purportedly
because when you were digesting food. The theory is that
the blood leaves your extremities you're musculature, and it goes
to your viscera. And therefore, whenever you need blood to

(02:08:36):
replenish your arms or legs as you're swimming or kicking,
you're not going to be able to because you're digesting.
I mean, it's the silliest thing. And Bill Cosby even
talks about it. Depending upon what you've eaten, it's a
different amount of time for you to wait. Franks and beans,
you don't go in at all.

Speaker 3 (02:08:56):
Well, before I go, I want to give you I
haven't given you any proverbs recently, but I recently did some.
I recently did some collecting from some Romany friends of
mine up in Upstate New York, the Gypsies. Yes, well,
that's why I say. That is why I say. I

(02:09:17):
am totally enamored of your theme song. I love listening.
I will listen to your program just to hear the
theme song by the Gypsy Kings. Fascinating magical group. But
I heard a proverb that I thought might interest you.
It's supposedly from various parts of Eastern Europe. It's been

(02:09:40):
said to belong to the Romany of Lithuania from Zagreb.
And the proverb is this, A bean in liberty is
infinitely worth more than a cake in prison.

Speaker 2 (02:09:57):
Because of the potentiality of it, the idea that it's
something could if it's unfettered and uncontrolled and unchained, the
potential potential energy.

Speaker 3 (02:10:10):
Well would rather well, I mean, you'd rather eat a
simple bean in freedom that you would rather have a
seven layer cake in prison. I totally agree with that,
by the way.

Speaker 2 (02:10:21):
Yeah, but a couple of things to you speak of
the Romany was very interesting. They there word gypsy, weren't
didn't they think they were somehow Egyptian or something at first,
and hence that name.

Speaker 3 (02:10:35):
Well, yeah, I don't know. I'll tell you the short version.
The Romany or the Gypsies claim that they their original
home was in a place called Rokasthan in India. They
claimed that they also brought the bagpipes west with them
from India. That's pretty much certain. But they claim that

(02:10:58):
in their great migrations, because there were several major migrations
during the eighth and ninth century, many of them came
to Western Europe and to gain favor and to gain
some sort of sympathy. They claimed that they were fleeing
from Saracen persecution in Egypt. That is supposedly the conventional

(02:11:21):
meaning of the term gypsy, although there are scholars who
tend to disagree on that. Because there are Romany who
are of course Spanish Romanies, the Flamenco dancers. There are
Romani who are Eastern Europe. There are Romani who come
from France, Italy, you go to the British Isles, and

(02:11:42):
there is a great debate as to whether Romany are
the same as tinkers with a capital T, who are
members of Pots and Pans and who do marvelous work
with horses, as.

Speaker 2 (02:11:55):
In the Tinkers, the tinkers damn.

Speaker 3 (02:11:58):
Yes, tinkers damp. But the the the general term is
they don't like the term gypsy because it had well,
it has aspersions I read I recently read a book
and they think and they're not certain because of course
the numbers are so ghastly that close to a million

(02:12:20):
Romani were killed during World War Two by the Nazis. Wow, wow,
close to a million.

Speaker 2 (02:12:29):
This is so interesting. You know, for example, you have
the zingaro for Italian for a gypsy. There's a there's
a cake Spanish it's called it's like a gypsy arm.
When you gyp somebody, it's it's a it's a truncation

(02:12:51):
of gypsy.

Speaker 3 (02:12:52):
I find that the way the word in Spanish for gypsy.
Who might interest is he Thano?

Speaker 2 (02:12:57):
Yes, yeah, I t n oh right right, that's why
he said, But Rashodano is the is the gypsy arm.
Well that's why this But we don't know anything still
really about them, I don't. I find them every now
and then. I'll thank God for YouTube. I could do

(02:13:17):
a quick cut of a documentary. They're the most interesting.

Speaker 3 (02:13:22):
People did you ever see the movie King of the Gypsies.

Speaker 2 (02:13:29):
I did not, but I've heard of it.

Speaker 3 (02:13:31):
It's a great and it's a great book because the author,
and I cannot remember his name right now, but he
wrote this book after having spent fifteen months with a
man who claimed to be the King of the Gypsies.
And the music, by the way, that movie is absolutely marvelous.

Speaker 2 (02:13:48):
It is well remember also Django Reinhardt and that because
he remember he lost his fingers in a caravan fire.
He was inside a it was either a campfire or
something where he lost his fingers. He played this and
he by the way, that's his style. You can when

(02:14:09):
you hear that he is Stephan Gripelli put this style
together and this gypsy music, it's it's Stephan Gropelli. He
played with two fingers in his left hand, just two
thumb and forefinger. It's and he was also a gypsy.
But here's my question, what what are they? What what

(02:14:31):
is such a they're in different countries. For example, you
don't ever hear of a Spanish Italian, or a Norwegian
Italian or a German Italian.

Speaker 7 (02:14:40):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (02:14:40):
You hear you might have a Norwegian who might have
some Italian in their background. But where precisely are the
Romani from? Of What are they? What would you call them?
Are they European? I mean are they? What?

Speaker 3 (02:14:56):
Do they told you? As I told you, there are
organ most people who have written, you know, wonderful books
on it, like Diane Tong who wrote who collected folk
tales from the Romany from different places, especially especially centered
on the British Isles of Ireland. But most Romani will

(02:15:20):
tell you that their ancestors came from northwestern the northwestern
frontier of India. No I understand that Rajistan, which is
a state in northwestern India, most of them. Most In fact,
there is a group from Rojastan called Moussa Fear and

(02:15:40):
they play the traditional Romani music of Rojaistan. And to
watch those dances, Linel, you think you're in heaven.

Speaker 2 (02:15:48):
Right, But what I'm what I'm saying, it's you don't
hear when you hear. I'm of an Italian from Italy,
I'm Spanish from Spain, I'm Japanese from Japan, I'm German
from Germany. This is what we normally think of. These
people are a sub directory. So to speak of a place,

(02:16:12):
and they're not really would you call them Indian? When
did they branch off and become Romany? What was it
that distinguished them? Where did this? Did this branch the migrat?

Speaker 3 (02:16:26):
Well, when they're when they're first of three or four
major migrations happened starting in the eighth and ninth century
in western Europe. That's when they first showed up in
great numbers. Until then they had been making their way westward.

Speaker 2 (02:16:46):
Do you see perhaps I'm not explaining this well enough.
I don't know of any sub direct sub sub, I
keep saying subdirectory some some version of this. It's not.
It's like a dialect of people. Anyway. I think they're
the most interesting, and we at about.

Speaker 3 (02:17:07):
The language they have a language. By the way, Before
I do go, because I'm sure you have other calls,
I should tell you that tomorrow or Monday, I am
off again. This time I'm heading for the vastness of
eastern Kentucky because I am going to attend an annual
music and humor festival in Berea, Kentucky, and we are

(02:17:31):
dedicating it to the name of a to a man
named Leonard Roberts. Leonard Roberts was mister Kentucky folklore in
every aspect. One of his most interesting books of many
that he wrote, was an illustrated history of the Hatfield
McCoy feud in all of its in all of its gruesome,

(02:17:56):
wild exuberances. If you want to quarter, however, however, we
will be. We will be dedicating the the next few
days to Leonard Roberts and music and song and dance,
musical instruments, the fiddle. There will be a there will be.

(02:18:17):
I have decided to. In fact, I have been asked
by friends down there to participate in the great Liar's Contest,
So you should do quite well. Well, I actually want
it once by telling a tall tale from Texas, which
I won't go into because it's much too long.

Speaker 7 (02:18:39):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (02:18:40):
Is it unfair to call it a liar? I mean,
can like spinning yarns, and there's other different There's wonderful
euphemisms for basically the mendacious prevarication, you know, lying mendacity.

Speaker 11 (02:18:55):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:18:56):
Well, well, like they call it a liar's contest because
obviously the story although people actually in some cases I
think I once told a story which everybody thought was
a Uh, how do you call it a mendacious manecdote, right,
But it turned out to be rather, it wasn't apocryphole.

(02:19:20):
It just happened to be what I thought they would
enjoy hearing. And after it was over, they came up
to me and said, now that wasn't really a lie,
was it. I said, you figure it out? And I
walked away.

Speaker 2 (02:19:33):
In there there was out have you have you also
noticed in some I keep seeing some director, I know
what I'm saying it. In certain parts of humor, there
was also the notion of the exaggerate or not really.
In the menda, there was a story of of of
of the military unit, of a platoon or whatever, and

(02:19:53):
there was this one fellow from Texas, and everything was
bigger in Texas. This is a rather dated story. And
everything was bigger in Texas, and they were so sick
of this. Whatever you showed them and say, well, it's
bigger in texts, everything's bigger in Texas. So one day
they got a galopogus turtle, those huge turtles. Put it
in his bed, put the sheet over it. He came
home a little tipsy. He pulled back the sheet and

(02:20:15):
he says, what's this And somebody said it's a bedbug,
and he said, must be a young'in now at that time. Wait,
see this is I don't know what that's called. But
these these stories. I also try to tell people, if
you can explain a joke to somebody, do you understand

(02:20:37):
how you have to kind of do a lot of
calculation in your head. It makes you smarter if you
understand a joke. And I'm going to say somebody who's
a lot of people take great umbrage. Women don't like jokes.
Women don't tell jokes. Women don't it's a male thing
to create these yarns, these prevarication. These you know, basically

(02:20:59):
it's perjury. You're just lying. But it's a story with
a wink at the end of it. Maybe it's a
pot I'll.

Speaker 3 (02:21:05):
Tell you this, I will tell you this line. I
have gone to places where the raunchy is stories and
jokes are told by the women. By the way, let
me tell you a very quick one, just to give
you a chuckle.

Speaker 2 (02:21:17):
This is a raunchy joke. Please please do no, no,
not a.

Speaker 3 (02:21:20):
Raunchy joke, just a joke just to show you. There
was a fellow who was always bragging in Texas about
how he how he how had a ranch that was
so big, and there's a bunk house, had its own
zip code, and every time he went to mail a letter,
he'd have to pack a box lunch. And he then,
he says, standing up in its full five foot eight inches,

(02:21:43):
he says, why my ranch is so big? It takes
me five and a half days to get around it
in my automobile. And from across the room, a fellow
from Israel says, hey, we have flowordamobiles like that, and
Israel too, you have what.

Speaker 2 (02:22:02):
I'm sorry, I'm misunderstand you have what?

Speaker 3 (02:22:05):
Oh? The fellows from Israel says, we have slow automobiles
like that.

Speaker 2 (02:22:10):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes yes. Now I'm gonna ask you,
why did you decide to pick on Israel? You know, Semi,
I can't.

Speaker 3 (02:22:21):
That's the way that.

Speaker 2 (02:22:23):
No, no, I kid, no, no, no, I understand that,
because that is people are rather hyper exuberant with that
particular thing. Let me leave you with this. I don't
know who said this. It might have been Tom Wade,
it might have been no coward. I don't know who
it was, but he said the definition of a gentleman
is somebody who can play the bagpipes, but doesn't.

Speaker 3 (02:22:42):
Doesn't that's no cowards. Indeed, by the way, you know
what you know why bagpipe? You know why bagpipers always
mark around while they're playing their pipes. Don't you.

Speaker 2 (02:22:53):
To not be a sitting target?

Speaker 3 (02:22:55):
Or yeah, exactly exactly, it's much harder to hit a
moving target.

Speaker 2 (02:23:00):
Well, one thing too, is I believe it or not,
at the time of war the idea of inflating a bladder,
that they would be in the front line. And there's
nothing more frightening than to hear that sound when somebody
is coming over the mountain or whatever it is, and
they're bagpipers, and of course those are the first ones
to be hit because zero so yes.

Speaker 3 (02:23:23):
But by the way, the Emperor Niro never played the
fiddle while Rome burned. However, some historians claim that he
was an expert on the tibia ut kolaris, the Roman bagpipe.

Speaker 2 (02:23:38):
Listen, Robert, you have regaled us with arcana and I
appreciate it. Please call me again. Safe travels to you,
good friend. Our numbers eight hundred eighty four eight nine
two two two. Eight hundred eighty four eight nine two
two do This is another side of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 5 (02:24:00):
H the Other side of Midnight with Lionel on the

Speaker 2 (02:24:42):
There is case. That's the way uh huh uh huh
I like it.

Speaker 1 (02:24:49):
Uh huh uh huh.

Speaker 2 (02:24:55):
What a tremendous talent he is, or is the complexity,
the depth, the texture of the the songs, so companies,
so labyrinthine boogie, a lot of boogies. And that's the
way I like it.

Speaker 14 (02:25:16):
Uh huh uh huh.

Speaker 2 (02:25:18):
Let's go back at the always my friend, back to
the fund, Let's go to a Let's go to Let's
go to Terry in New Jersey. Terry, You're on another
side of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 9 (02:25:28):
Lionel, you are an intellect period. Robert from Manhattan is
Robert from Manhattan is one of the great storytellers that
interview you just oh my god, you it him. But
like Nixon, it was Mixon Fostonian, the two of you.

Speaker 2 (02:25:42):
Thank you, thank you, sir.

Speaker 9 (02:25:44):
The only thing he couldn't penetrate was the ethnic background
of the Gypsies. I know where you would come from?
He couldn't answer, Like, they came from India and they
moved west towards Europe and they obviously were mixing along
the way, so they have a lot of different backgrounds them,
and apparently they don't like to be called gypsies anyway,
everybody said.

Speaker 3 (02:26:04):
It, but you don't.

Speaker 2 (02:26:06):
But but just for a second, you don't have people
who say, we started in Rome and we left, we
ended up in Pittsburgh and say, what do you mean
you left? Well, we left, you left. Yeah, you just
got up one day and say I'm done with this.
We're leaving. We're migrating. But there they're so it's such

(02:26:28):
I wish somewhere there's got to be for example, is
there a romany restaurant? Is there a Romany music? Or
you know, we have gypsy music. But they're like the
best kept secret. I'm fascinated by them. And anyway, Terry
Proceeds are.

Speaker 9 (02:26:44):
Like the a version of the God State popway the
Atilda Hunt stomped or something.

Speaker 3 (02:26:50):
I don't think so.

Speaker 9 (02:26:51):
But they had sticky things. That area is like in
the air and also part of what it's called to
a Pakistan. And then they thought, well, you know, you know,
you get you're traveling, you know, you meet the women
and stuff, and they had sticky fingers. That's what I
get thrown out of everywhere. But anyway, h I think
Line of America is china'e version of Saturday Night Live.

(02:27:13):
Even with you know, the senator is saying what color
is your tie to the kid lorrel?

Speaker 7 (02:27:17):
And what color is the floor?

Speaker 9 (02:27:19):
And everything? I mean to me, I mean, was he
he really he didn't impress me by saying that he's
trying to sound like he's being funny. He really tried
to be funny and he's.

Speaker 11 (02:27:27):
Putting on a theater.

Speaker 9 (02:27:30):
I think personally, from what I've seen of all this,
I know you can't suspend the Fifth Amendment. I also
know that possibly statute of limitations have run out.

Speaker 8 (02:27:39):
On this, and they don't want a trial. They don't
want a criminal trial because.

Speaker 9 (02:27:43):
Too much stuff would come out, too many people would
come out, and the power brokers don't want that. So
they just wanted to get him on perjury. And he
knew he had the best, he had lawyers and stuff.
Anybody listens to come up.

Speaker 2 (02:27:56):
We're talking about founty obviously, and I agree with I
would have advise him the same, absolutely the same in
terms of what he was looking at, because it's not
so much Listen, if I bring you in on Monday.
I'm setting you up for perjury. I'm setting you up.
It's not that you've said something or you're going to lie.

(02:28:18):
But if you say two particular instances, if you say
two inconsistent statements on day one and two under oath,
that's perjury. But the thing is Terry, who told.

Speaker 10 (02:28:28):
Him what to do?

Speaker 2 (02:28:29):
Do you think he just on his own was the
manufacturer of all of this? Do you think that he
on his own contrived and coordinated this lie? Do you
think he did it?

Speaker 3 (02:28:42):
Of course not.

Speaker 2 (02:28:44):
We will never get to the bottom of this, my friend.
We will never get to the bottom of this. Terry,
I thank you so much. Please call me against her.
We will never get to the bottom of this whatsoever.
But the thing I wanted to say was, and this
is the most important, Please let us not ever put
into the realm of politics, medical fact, medical practice, medical safety,

(02:29:10):
and the like. I understand there's a lot of good
people out there who have some very serious concerns about mRNA,
vaccines and the like, but please be very careful when
you discount the notion of immunization completely. It's very very
dangerous nature. Boy Bill Lee at the Helm, thank you,
Jackson so much. Thank you and thank you, dear friends

(02:29:32):
for listening. Please follow me online on YouTube at Lionel
Nation and on X who used to be called Twitter
at Linel Media. See tomorrow night, my Friends, or tomorrow morning,
I Guess today, and remember these words. The monkey's dead,
the show's Oversee you that, dad,

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