Another Side of Midnight With Lionel - Surveillance, Kids Safety, and Old School Wrestling - Another Side of Midnight with Lionel

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 3 (00:17):
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Speaker 4 (00:29):
Know already Line over with you. And this is another
side of midnight, taking you all the way to five
am Eastern time, and then after that you can do
whatever the hell you want to do. It's up to you.
I'm not in control of you anymore. Do not touch
anything I am in control. Eight hundred eight four eight

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nine two two two eight hundred eighty four eight nine
two two two Seems like just the other day we
were doing this. This, of course, is just well a
rather unique undertaking on our particular point coming up. Of course,
this is this is Warrior Weekend, when the lovely and
talented my beloved Lynchyaw gives you some news regarding what

(01:13):
is going on regarding and including what is happening to children, trial, predation,
digital safety coming up this hour. This week's version will
blow your mind, absolutely positively blow your mind. I've got
some things to talk about later. I don't want to

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necessarily announce it now. Well, you see, my take in
this is to talk about things that I find fascinating
in our world, in the world that we're in, things
that I find interesting. There is so much going on
regarding surveillance, politics, Politics is a funny thing. I tend

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to dare I say, stay a little bit from that,
because that is put it this way. I don't want to.
I don't want to spend a lot of time having
to teach the frame of reference that I enjoy. So
sometimes it just it's better. Some things are better left unsaid.

(02:19):
That's just the way it is. I think the gray
Bruce Hornsby said, we have topics that we talk about,
for example, UFOs and disclosure. Have you noticed nothing has
come of that? Nothing? As I said, nothing nothing. You
don't know anything more than you did. There's always the
teas the limited hangout. The story is artificial intelligence and transhumanism,

(02:41):
though we really don't talk about transhumanism. That too often
big tech overreach digital surveillance, digital surveillance at levels you
can't even come frehend. I was reading yesterday about new
surveillance techniques that prevent or that create artificial imaginary surveillance.

(03:04):
So if you want me to create the image that
you robbed the bank, I'll do it for you, even
though you weren't there. Do you want me to drop
on your cloud or infect your particular hardware information that
is against the law see salmon the like. I'll do

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that too. You see, nothing is going to be believed, pictures, video, nothing,
geopolitics in the New World Order? Ask people what is
the New World Order? And to this date, to date,
no one can understand true crime and behavioral psychology, intelligence agencies, intel,

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covert operations, constitutional law or con law as we call it,
civil liberties, media manipulation, propaganda, paranormal phenomena, health science, skepticism,
pop culture, and tonight we're going to be talking about
something later is one of the most important aspects of

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popular culture, which has been part and partial to my
life growing up, which I will explain to you later.
Also some problems that we have regarding well let's just wait,
just wait, because whenever I say I'm going to do something,
oftentimes something will happen. Because the beautiful part about this,
as I have said, you see, I like you with

(04:31):
the exception of with the exception of my beloved. Every week,
I'm not a big guest person. It's easy. Well, for
one thing, it's in the middle of the night, it's
tough to tell people, Hey, we'd look to be a
guest on the show. Yeah, when is it at two
am Eastern?

Speaker 5 (04:48):
What?

Speaker 4 (04:49):
So that that's one consideration, But I think you're the guest.
See I play the callers and you are so great
love somebody. Sometimes your perspective will be so terrific. And
then sometimes, and this is where I get a kick
out of it, sometimes you're wondering, what are you listening to?

(05:11):
What show are you listening to? What channel are you on?
Individually and spiritually? And I say that without mocking. This
isn't mocking derision. It's just I just like sometimes people
who don't know what the hell they're talking about, which
is fabulous. But I do want to say this. Have
you noticed how everybody is a real COVID tough guy.

(05:35):
See now that Fauci was up and Fauci was before,
everybody now is say, well, you know, I think we
should prosecute Fauci. Prosecute him for what while on he
took the fifth Good luck with that one. That ain't
gonna happen because Fauci's not the guy. The question is
who told Fauci what to say? How did this happen?

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And you will have people like Rand Paul and others,
and they bring Fauci out and they're gonna say, look, look, Tony,
you're gonna make more money than anybody else who has
ever been a part of the government. Your pension alone
will just destroy everything. You will break all kinds of records,
and up to now, it's been pretty easy, pretty good.

(06:17):
Nothing will need to do. So what we're gonna do
is we're gonna bring you out and we're gonna yell
at you like we do with Mark Zuckerberg. We're gonna
yell at you. Then we're gonna scream at you, and
then everybody's gonna demand I want him arrested. They we're
gonna drag out Bobby Kennedy, who will talk about oh
various things. He still never really got to the bottom

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of autism, at least as we had anticipated, too busy
talking about how to make food. And you know red
dye number three. But it's all a charade or a
charade if somebody wants them, it's all a joke. It's
a game. The whole thing is a game. You know this,
I know this, and I love how people are so

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right now because here is the problem and let me
see if I can explain this to you. We are
an either or society. What does that mean? I don't know,
just kidding. We believe in one or the other, black

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or white. It's called you know, good guy, bad guy,
mannichean is the word, or apodictic or specific one or
the other. Never a blend, never a nuance. Never well
yes and no partly well. It's hard to say, oh, no, no, no, no,

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because people will start up with this. Have you met
this the true anti vax crowd All of a sudden,
They believe not only in distrusting what particular vaccines are provided,
but in the whole notion of immunology. Vaccines don't work,

(08:03):
Vaccinations don't work. It's never worked. And they just they
just say, what, it doesn't work, it doesn't work, vaccine,
vaccines don't work. Pastor was wrong? What are you talking about?
And they just get a part of this. And I
know a lot of these people, there's this wild kind

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of what do I say? It's this mentality that just
kills me. And what kills me about it more than
anything else is how they take they're so exaggerating it. Seriously,
if you think that I want to live in a
world where there's no such thing as a vaccine. God,

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your mind, it doesn't make any sense. You don't believe
in vaccines. No, you don't think children should be vaccinated,
No for anything. No, what are you talking about?

Speaker 6 (09:02):
You know what?

Speaker 4 (09:03):
And in fact, we have a dear friend of ours
who's an emergency room physician, and she said that the
number of whooping cough and all types of things which
we never saw before, a lot of them came and
are seen in folks from other countries who perambulate into
our borders and there from other countries, and they aren't

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themselves vaccinated. Kids need this now, how they're given the type.
I'm not going to argue at that point, But you've
got to be able to balance both. F Scott Fitzgerald
said that the sign of a super intelligent person, of
a superior intelligence is to be able to handle two

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seemingly conflicting ideas simultaneously and not lose your mind. This
either or stuff is just nuts, And all of a
sudden people will say I'm against vaccines why And I'm

(10:07):
telling you, depending upon where you look, you will see
people mds, PhDs, people who really know their stuff and
you'll say, do I believe this? Should I take the
flu vaccine? Should they? I don't know what to do? Well,
good luck with this one. And they also don't realize

(10:27):
the fact that they're not a physician. See, everybody in
this country thinks I'm an expert. I get it all
the time, especially with legal matters. I get my law school,
my internet law school. I'm a lawyer. I'm an expert
in law. Really. Oh, yes, you're an expert. Oh terrific.
Do you remember when COVID first started and people were

(10:50):
freaked out? Do you remember how people said or thought
to themselves? Is this going to be like the Spanish influenza?
Could we maybe seriously walk down the street and see
people just keel over dead? Is that possible? People were scared.

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My wife and I didn't know. I didn't know a thing.
Let me tell you what I remember. A dear friend
of mine who was a physician at a local hospital.
Don't want to say which one, said that he and
he's kind of I think in akin to my degree
of you know, skepticism and incredulity himself, and he's a physician.

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There was a code word they used which didn't alarm people,
but it sounded rather innocuous. I don't know what the
sound was or if it was like in the old
department stories, rememberhen they had those little tones. I don't
know what it was. But he couldn't believe when COVID
first hit the first pass through before there was heard,

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immunity before everything. While the people who were the most susceptible,
people with comorbidities, the elderly, it just swept through like
because there's a star's COVID too. We know at least
three people who were in the hospital where their oxygen
levels were down to nothing. It was real. COVID was real.

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But if you tell people, especially those dare I say
in the conspiracy realm. Wow, that's it was all inflated.
Doesn't matter the pandemic was it a plandemic? Could very
well be. We'll never get to the bottom of that rand.
Paul makes some great overtures about gain of function in Wuhan.
And remember what markets and pangals and all of this

(12:47):
stuff pangolins. Excuse me, So what I'm trying to tell
you was this. This is our first lecture, our first modality. Tonight.
Please understand that life is a nuance. It's a little
bit of this, a little bit of that. Yes and no.

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Was there a scam in many respects? Yes? Did big
tech and big pharma, big farmers just say make billions
of this? Yes? Was it crazy to have introduced a
lot of these these vaccines without testing? Yes? Is there
a certain degree of conspiracy? Yes, conspiracy two or more

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guilty people conspiring working together in the confederation to bring
something about Absolutely. Is Fauci part of this? Oh yeah,
Oh yeah he knew. Is he some dupe? Yes, it is Hee,
some minister of fraud. Yes. However he's not the only one,
and that is not based upon nothing. Now, all I

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know is there are friends of mine who are physicians,
who you put out any vaccine, they say, get it,
get the flu, get the shingles, get this, rabies, whatever on.
They just believe in it whole cloth. These are physicians.
There are other people who believe in nothing. Somewhere between

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that is reality. Somewhere neath in between between the two
is where we should be think about that. We'll talk
more about this. This has been driving me nuts all week,
and admittedly it's not a very long ride. I number
is eight hundred and eighty four eight ninety two to
two two Coming up, my friends, it is going to
be Warrior Weekend with Lynshaw, which is our I'm so

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happy this is This is an absolute mainstay, and we've
got something that is happening this week here in the
New York area and around the country that will absolutely
blow your mind. So stay tuned, my friends. This is
Line Up with You on Another side of Midnight.

Speaker 7 (14:57):
The other side of Midnight with Lie Don't on the
Red Apple Podcast network.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
Already Line on with You and that music that denotes
the theme song for a Weekend Warrior Warrior Weekend, however
you'd like to phrase it. This is I think one
of the most important and critical parts of anything that
I do because it deals with something and deals with
the subject matter which oftentimes is forgotten for reasons I

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will never understand. We're joined by Lynz Warriors, Lynzswarriors dot Org,
Lens Warriors on YouTube, and Lynn's Underscore Warriors on next.
You know, this is Weekend Warrior Warrior Weekend. Excuse me,
we are sounding the alarm on three stories. Every parent
and every concerned Americans should be watching very very closely.

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In New York. Some lawmakers want to lift longstanding restrictions
on are you ready bath houses in the name hang
on of supporting gay culture. We're going to ask what
that would mean for public health, trafficking, exploitation, and vulnerable

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young people. This is not about attacking anybody's identity. It's
about asking whether safeguards are keeping pace with policy that
we're going to be heading to Capitol Hill, where this
week lawmakers advanced major child safety legislation, including the Kids
Online Safety Act KOSA. Lynz Warriors, survivor, parents and advocates

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have fought for years to get Washington to listen, and
now the question is whether Congress will finish the job
and get meaningful protections to the President's desk rather and finally,
back to school season, children are returning not just to classrooms,
but to laptops, ed tech, ed tech platforms, algorithms AI,

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and programs such as I ready have you heard about these?
Parents need to know what these systems are doing, what
they are and what data they collect and how much
of the school day is disappearing behind the screen and
are parents really in charge? So to give you an
idea of that little adam ration, that review of where
we're going. It is my honor to bring to the

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microphones of the another side of Midnight Show with my beloved,
my wife full disclosure, Lynn Shaw from Lynn's Warriors, My darling,
Welcome again to the show that Never ends.

Speaker 8 (17:41):
Good morning. Line on my head is spinning with what
has been going on in the past week. Let's jump
in with these bath houses? Are you ready.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
Interesting way you're phrasing it, Yes, indeed.

Speaker 8 (17:54):
Well, look New York City, may they say maybe reopening
this debate surrounding these bath houses something that is proposed
by this state senator and this assembly member. It's so ridiculous.
They want to repeal the restrictions dating back to the
age crisis. Now I'm old enough to remember I'm being

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in New York about these bath houses and the age crisis,
the epidemic. What happened with all of that was not
that long ago, okay, but what happened around nineteen eighty
five they closed down all these bath houses that effectively
and sex venues I'm going to say, and saunas okay,
that openly kind of permitted sexual activity. So now we've

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got these two okay here in New York and they say,
you know, what it's part of the gay culture. We
got to bring back a meeting spot for the community,
and we also to get this one linel, we also
have to have a spot for our trans community. So
you know, this is a whole different thing forty five

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years later, forty years later from from what you know,
the AIDS crisis, what that looked like. But now we
have all these different concerns. But here's the thing. You know,
this is expanding. This is what I want everybody to understand.
So we have learned so much. Any policy that creates
or expands any kind of anonymous sexual environment, and we know,

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come on, let's all wake up, everybody. This is the reality.
Anything that is expanding this, okay, deserves serious scrutiny through
the lens of what we know today, which is lots
of exploitation, trafficking, and vulnerability. Because we know today that
demand is for miners for kids. Okay, So who's going

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to be watching making sure the miners kids aren't brought
into these places? Are there safeguards going to exist for people,
you know, being trafficked because we know that what you know,
if there's a demand, if there's a market for sexual activity,
we know it's applying demand. We know we're going to
traffickers and pimps and kids will get sexually exploit it.
And right now we're talking in particular, it will be

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boys and young men. So who's responsible for all of this?
You know, predatory behavior and what happens when any kind
of venue is built around anonymity. It makes exploitation more
difficult to detect. We talk about that all the time.
So we're are the legitimate child safety and public safety questions? No,

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But I just want to say, this is the most
ridiculous thing. And again I just want to point out
when when they say, you know, it's the gay part
of the gay culture and all that. Look, both of
us have plenty of gay male friends. None of them
want this, right. So maybe the AIDS crisis is in
check for now, you know, with medications and what we know,
But there's so many other sexual diseases things that can happen.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
Let me just add this. We're speaking of, as I
mentioned before, doctor Fauci, and the horrors that we went through.
You know, the other night, you and I were dining
in one of New York, one of New Jersey's finest establishments,
and on my way to the loo, I saw, much
to my sagarn and horror, an old adhesive sticker that

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was a remnant where it says stay six feet apart.
Now we just remember, all of us, remember how we were.
We lost our minds with COVID wearing masks that proved
to do nothing. We went crazy. So you're talking about
it theoretically, not you, of course, but people theoretically actually

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having a reintroduction of the bath house, which nothing to
do with the with the gay experience of the gay
culture was part and parcel of the proliferation and the
AIDS epidemic. And somebody wants to reintroduce this again. COVID

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is one thing, but bathhouses, say.

Speaker 8 (22:01):
Not only that, but you know, before New York declares
these restrictions on relics, you know of the past, lawmakers
have to hear from This is very important, you know,
survivors and trafficking experts and public health professionals and law enforcement.
You know. So progress cannot mean forgetting the lessons of
history or creating all these new opportunities for exploitation. It

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is the most ridiculous thing in the world, you know,
because look, we need to become a stronger society, not
weaken it in any way. And this we know is
is just a horrendous horror. And we'll bring in what
I heard years ago, you know, on the streets, so
to speak. Is they they quotations they want to make

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New York City the sex tourism capital of the country.
So we're gonna have all these creeps in addition to
the creeps you know, we have coming flooding into New
York City. And then they're proposing on the west side. Okay,
certainly put these bath houses on the upper east side,
but the west side. Can you imagine this and these
where we still have you know a lot of open

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spaces and empty warehouses and things of that nature. It
is the most ridiculous thing. A further you know, pushing
on society and destruction of society.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
We're talking to Lynn Shaw from Lyns Warriors, Lynswarriors, Dot
Org Lin's Warriors on YouTube and Lin's Underscore Warriors on
x So. This is again this was part of the
of the this trika of stories this week for us. Uh.
Before we move on, what do you see as the

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chance of success of this? Is this one of those
bills that you think will go nowhere or is there
some very serious threat of this actually coming to fruition.

Speaker 8 (23:46):
No, I actually think this will at some point, I
don't know when, not in the you know, not to
in the distant future, come to fruition. And I'll tell
you why, Linel, Because before the COVID came, okay, there
was this talk about legalizing brothels in New York City.
Legal which is legalized prostitution, which is legalized sex buying,

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which again I want to remind everybody, the demand is
from minors for kids. Okay, so just think about that.
But also again the talk of let's make New York
City the sex tourism capital of the United States. Then
we had that COVID period. Okay, then we're readjusting for
the last several years, and now they are ready to go.

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They have their playbook ready. They are going to push this.
The fact that they can even come out and say
they think this is a good idea, And this is
not about I want to I want to make sure
everybody understands this is not about the gay lifestyle or
any of that at all. This is about thinking that
this is a good public health you know, standard for people. Okay,

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this is this is good for our trans community?

Speaker 6 (24:56):
This?

Speaker 5 (24:56):
How is that?

Speaker 1 (24:57):
I think?

Speaker 8 (24:57):
How crazy that is?

Speaker 4 (24:59):
How is why is a bath house beneficial to the
trans community. I don't understand that way.

Speaker 8 (25:05):
Why they so marginalized in our society. They are so mocked,
they are so you know, they can't get places to live,
they can't get jobs. That we have to give them
safe spaces. So and I'm always in meetings, you know, well,
let's work on giving them those safe spaces, that education,

(25:28):
that job opportunity. Let's work with companies who will give
them jobs. And of course I'm met with faces, just
blank stares on their face. But this is what they
want for a community. You know, it's good enough to
be hidden in the dark and bath houses where we know.
We have learned so much about trafficking, predation, exploitation, and
I want to keep saying the demand is for children.

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So we know this is going to happen, and young
vulnerable men and boys will be trafficked. It would be
a nightmare. I don't know who thinks this is good
for anybody, but you know what, the public has to
step up. We have to all become warriors and we
have to push back because the playbook again, is there
for opening up all this open sexuality in our faces?

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And you know what, it's not about being a prude
or anything like that. It's about public safety, safety for
our young people.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
We're talking to Lin Shaw from Lynz Warriors Lynz Warriors
on YouTube, Lynn's Underscore Warriors on x. Now let's go
to part two, the second part of this. We had
mentioned this, We talked about the Washington and some other aspects.
What else do you want to scare us with? What

(26:42):
other horrible news is there? And it is horrible news.
I'm sorry. I'm not going to sugarcoat it.

Speaker 8 (26:47):
Well when talking about math House, it doesn't that sound ridiculous,
It sounds it sounds like some you know, gritty forty
second Street you see in movies from years ago, and
it's all back again. You know, we should want better
for all of us, but for our kids, our grandkids.
This week was a great week on Capitol Hill. We
at the Warriors have been working almost five years now

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on a piece of legislation called the Kids Online Safety Act,
Senate Version seventeen forty eight. All the work is, you know,
bipartisan work on Capitol Hill. Everything we do it Lynd's Warriors. Okay,
it's about people. It's not about right, left, up down
political parties. But what happened is we finally had our
Senate Commerce Committee hearing that is chaired by Ted Cruz

(27:34):
and Maria Cantwell, and they unanimously passed through the Kids
Online Safety Act, the Senate version, the version we've been
debating for the last you know, a year or so,
where the House removed those three important little wards of
duty of care. That big texture put out a product

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that they know, to the best of their ability, is
safe for kids and for all people, duty of care,
and the House removed those three little words. So now
it goes back, bounces back to the Senate. The Senate
finally because they're all going on recess or they've already
left already. Frankly, I was so afraid the hearing would
be canceled, it wouldn't be held. But they's one of
their last things they did on Capitol Hill, passed unanimously

(28:17):
through the Senate. This is great news for the room
was filled with so many warriors, including those brave survivor parents,
you know, tech policy experts and organizations like the Warriors.
But here's the important thing right now, The good news
means there's still work to be done we wanted to
happen in this Congress. It cannot float over to the

(28:38):
next Congress and the bills if they're not done in
the Congress. You got to start from the beginning again
with the new Congress. So now we have one point left.
We are one step closer to keeping kids safe online.
The House and the Senate now have to come together
agree on the language and then it goes to the
President's desk for signature into law. That's very sticky. Everybody's

(29:01):
on recess now. There's lots of work we're doing behind
the scenes over the next few weeks. But the House
has a very different version of how to keep kids
safe online from the Senate. So again we do need
all our warriors out there. Contact your you know, elected representatives, House,
doc v Senate, dot gov, just say we want Kids
Online Safety Act. Numbers count, voices count. But here's the thing,

(29:24):
you know, this, this is really a no brainer. We
have to as we're sitting on AI do something to
keep our kids safe online. Parents are the first line
of defense. At the same time, why should we allow
big tech to run amok? Unregulated and harm our kids.
We now have the studies, we now have the whistleblowers,

(29:44):
internal memos, we've got everything. We've got thousands depending lawsuits
against big tech right now for harms cause to kids.
So something has to be done legislatively, and Kids Online
Safety Act is the best bill out there to do this.

Speaker 6 (30:00):
Who is it that.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
Drafts these bills? Because many many times, and I learned
this from just listening to you in your colleagues, you
have to deal with legislation that is written primarily by
big tech itself. So is this what do you think
as far as the robustness, if you will, of this bill?
Is it a good one? Does it do the right thing?

Speaker 5 (30:24):
Of course?

Speaker 8 (30:24):
Kids Online Safety x sended version seventeen forty eight. I
always throw that in because there were so many different
you know, the House gutted it and had their oldest,
horrible language in it. Things we won't even go into.
We don't have time. But this bill was started, you
know by bipartisan Senator Marsha Blackburn, who just received the

(30:44):
GOP nomination in the state of Tennessee for governor, and
also Senator Richard Blumenthal in Connecticut. And you know sitting
down with their offices and it would be you know,
lawyers in their offices and staff, and then organizations like
the Warriors. Fast forward, so we're talking about that was
close to five years ago. Now big tech is at

(31:07):
the table running. I'm saying this, really running Washington with
all their money on Capitol Hill. Because they employ so
many lobbyists. I've heard one for one lobbyist for every
four members of Congress. Now, if you read something, you'll say, well,
it's really one for every six. I've been told this

(31:28):
one for every four. There were you no money, it
could be one for every two.

Speaker 9 (31:32):
We don't know.

Speaker 8 (31:33):
These things are a shrouded and mystery. What I think
today in the last few years is increasingly because they
are so welcome big tech. They have the power, they
have the money. They are there in Washington, embedded all
over every day of the week, in the ears of
our elected officials, legislative staff. I think today they have
a big hand in writing child safety legislation. Not the

(31:55):
Kids Online Safety Act, okay, that I know for a fact,
but we have other We have other pieces of legislation
coming forward, and they look good, they sound good, they
have good names. But when you dig them apart. They
actually are in favor of big tech. So it's very
criminal what's going on right now. And you know, I'm
always saying, why can't we just have something that's two

(32:17):
three pages long? Three hundred pages? Of course, and I'm
not a lawyer, you are lying on. We have three
hundred pages for a bill. There are plenty of loopholes
with those. Lawyers can swoop in. Big tech has lots
of money, lots of lawyers, right, It's a drop in
the bucket lawyers paying all these you know, legal fees
and things like that. So why have these bills that

(32:37):
are three hundred pages long with the loopholes? Keep them
short and tight with bullet points. Kids Online Safety Act?
I stand by Senate Version seventeen forty eight. It is correct,
it is good. Plenty of other bills right now floating around.
I think big tech indeed did have their hand in
helping to create Well.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
If anybody is listening, by the way, we're talking to
lyn Sean from Lyn's Warriors, If anybody's listening, we have
to ask the question, why the name of God is
there such a reluctance, such a pushback of such a
parenty an objection to legislation to protections for kids. Why
can't kids safety because, by the way, I just have

(33:19):
to say this, I'm not going to mention this. I'm
not going to mention the name. But there's a certain
moron on a certain cable news show where he was
repeating the refrain that it's really up to the parents,
that the parents, you see, this isn't about the devices.
He sounds like just a shill for big tech. This

(33:41):
guy is just a poltroon. But in any event, he said,
and people have said this before, I want to say
something very quickly. The difference legally that we've seen as
of late is that, for the first time in a
long time, the argument is directed towards and against the
design of the platforms, not the content, meaning it's the design.

(34:08):
For example, when I say this all the time, nobody
is against medication or pharmaceuticals. Also, nobody's against using or
applying child safety caps to medication. All that is is
the design of the delivery system. Nobody's against making guns safer.

(34:28):
Nobody's gonna get rid of guns in every walk of life. Seatbelts, airbags,
everything has a safety component as to the design. But
when it comes to this, like these poltroons on this
one particular cable show, these hacks, they repeat this drivel, this,

(34:49):
mandra this rote kind of an incantation that it's the
parent job, and that drives me nuts. Granted, not a
very long ride.

Speaker 8 (34:59):
Your thoughts, my thoughts are big tech. Again, it's a
crass answer, but it is the truth. Money drives everything,
and right now big tech has deep, deep pockets, deep
deepest okay, in all of society, not only Capitol Hill,
all around our country. And you know what, they've got

(35:21):
the power. People like power and money. So here we
are today and a reminder, you know, it is the
only business, big tech. It is unregulated. Whoever heard of
this linel. There's no guardrails. They're just allowed to run,
you know, wild. And this was born in nineteen ninety

(35:41):
six when we had something called you know, Section two
thirty the Communications Decency Act, where we had two platforms
in those days, thirty years ago. You know, granted, you
are just a billboard, you are a news stand for
third party content. But so much has changed, and we
have so many studies now improof of the harms pause
and still there, Yes, there's a movement to sunset Section

(36:03):
two thirty. That's next after the Kids Online Safety Act.
But it is so hard because listen, here's the bottom line.
Lots of people are making lots of money off of this,
and people like money. So it's been an uphill battle.
The amounts of money that big tech is spending lobbying
against child safety tells us they are scared. They are

(36:25):
scared because more Americans are awake to this, more government
is coming down on them. And again again that argument
of you know, age verification and my privacy, that's all
garbage because we know now our TVs are listening to us,
our microwaves are probably listening to us, that everybody has
your information or already everybody. So just calm down. This

(36:45):
is about the safety of children. So they are pushing
back big time big tech. But we have to keep
in mind we have to be trying to be ten
steps ahead of them. You know, AI is here. This
is the most frightening thing right now. So we've got
to put some legislation in place to a us all
of this, and we have to do it now. We
can't just be cleaning up afterwards. We've got to get

(37:05):
in there ahead and it is a complete thing that
we need everybody in on. We need everybody aware of
what's going on and how you must talk. If you
do nothing about any of this, you must talk in
your own home to your kids and just let them
know about safety. And you have to, you know, realize
what apps they are on to the best of your ability,
because we know it's overwhelming and hard to keep up

(37:27):
with all of this. But we're here at the Warriors
to help you.

Speaker 6 (37:29):
With all of this.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
We're talking about lynd Shaw from Lyn's Warriors and the
final final part of this trio, this troika, this triumph
for it is what is happening regarding the actual website?
I'm missing it?

Speaker 6 (37:45):
What is it?

Speaker 4 (37:45):
What is our third component of this?

Speaker 8 (37:47):
I is back to school time? Come on, and you
know this time's gone. It's so shocking. But you know, look,
Georgia started this past week. We got Florida's starting next week.
New York we start right after labored day. And look,
we know it used to be the pencils, the notebooks
were buying, the teacher standing in the front of the classroom.
But today back to school means laptops, it means adaptive

(38:10):
learning platforms, digital assessments, algorithms, and enormous quantities of student data.
And there's something called ed tech and that's education technology everybody,
and it is embedded through American education and used properly.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
Because sound ed tech sounds good.

Speaker 8 (38:28):
ED tech does that well, we were sold to bill
of goods for schools. Okay, that technology would this is
years ago, empower our kids. Everybody needs a chromebook. It
would make learning easier, would open the world up, It
would help teachers. But now we know, instead of the
actual teacher, the teachers are in the classrooms in many
cases monitoring. Believe, listen to this one, monitoring the kids

(38:52):
programs that they're in the classroom doing all day. That's
where I want to get at and what we're breaking
through right now. Again, we are pro innovation, pro technology.
We know when used properly, tech can help a teacher
identify where a kid is struggling or give you know,
additional practice and make again resources available very quickly. But

(39:14):
parents now and rightfully so, are asking for about a
much more fundamental question, Linel, And that is when did
technology stop being a tool for teachers and start becoming
the classroom itself? And that's what I'm hearing about because
right now, there is a widely used program called I

(39:34):
Ready developed by this company called Curriculum Associates, And what
it does it combines computerized assessments of a child okay
in reading, math, and then it uses this assessment to
create a personalized instruction day for the child, and it
gives the teachers the information they can use to guide instruction.

(39:55):
But again, I want to remind everybody, this is technology.
This is not a person. Okay, this is a teacher.
What if a child is between you know, a subject matter,
it is a machine who cannot detect any of that.
You need a human being. So we're asking about screen
time in the classrooms, a student engagement, privacy, data collection.

(40:15):
Because here's the other thing about this program I Ready.
Right now, there is a major lawsuit going on because
in the beginning of his school year and I ask parents,
is all the time you know this, linel, what did
you agree to in your child's classroom for online And
they're like, I don't know. I got a sheet. I
checked all the boxes. Okay, you check, you check Google,

(40:36):
you check YouTube, you check, you check roadblocks. Yeah, I
just checked. If it's in the classroom it's okay, parents
do agree to I ready. It's used by millions of students.
Right now, here's the problem, sound, there's allegedly allegedly Right now,
the lawsuit is stating I Ready has taken all your
child's information and sold it. Because remember the money in

(40:57):
all this technology is information, that's the currency. And they
have sold your child's information to third parties, which means
for the rest of your child's life, their information is
somewhere out there being used to develop, you know, all
this AI data and large language models. So look who

(41:19):
owns the technology in the classroom?

Speaker 6 (41:22):
Do you know what?

Speaker 8 (41:22):
Right now, with this lawsuit and all that the classroom,
the board of ed, the school district, they are owning
your child's information because you checked off I ready, but
you didn't agree to have I ready sell your child's information.
This is the crux of this lawsuit going on right now.
So we'll keep you up to up to date about that.

(41:44):
But that's a very scary thing because again that is
chipping away this front of the program, perhaps chipping away
at more parental autonomy. So the child's classroom, the school
owns what happened in that classroom. That's your child's information
and the parent has no right. So again, a lot
of these child safety legislation bills, like our Child Online

(42:06):
Privacy Protection Act, again chipping away at parental autonomy. I
thought anything to do with minors, you know, against the lawn.
But something like this Child Online Privacy Protection Act, And
this is in the House right now. The Senate just
fairly recently put this into legislation. Only parents have a
right to know online thirteen and under what their child

(42:29):
is doing. Okay, well, so what about the fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,
seventeen year old. You're not supposed to have a right
to know what your child's doing online. You probably bought
that device, you pay for the internet, the router. So
this is crazy stuff. The good news is parents are
waking up. Teachers don't like a lot of this, but
they're afraid for their jobs. They are going along with
a lot of this. There's a lot of controversy, but

(42:52):
you know what, everybody is beginning to come to the table.
There's the pencils, a paper program pushing back. People want
textbooks again, they want packages of assignments. You've got to
talk to your kids. You got to get into the schools.
You got to be a partner.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
Well, this is up, this is per usual and absolute,
you know, listening to you as I trying to drink
from a fire hose, as they say, it's just an
incredible avalanche of information very quickly. Where can people hear
you and follow you during the week? And are you
on other shows or platforms that detail this by virtue
of the philanthropy and goodwill of certain certain of our

(43:30):
favorite media moguls.

Speaker 8 (43:32):
Well listen. We always have to thank John Kasmatitis and
a Catsmeatini's family for supporting the Warriors, for allowing me
to grace the show every Sunday morning, the Cats round Table.
The Casimatini's family is very invested in keeping kids and
our grandkids safe, so I have a wonderful platform. Thank
you Lionel for always giving me, you know, a voice

(43:54):
to share what's going on, because it is a lot
of information for the public to take in. But we
can also the sidelines we have to get. I mean,
technology also serve children, not technology.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
If I didn't do any better, I've seen you, Grace.
The pages of some of our are very important and
very critical New York publications and periodicals and tabloids as
of late m M.

Speaker 8 (44:17):
Well yet, well, of course we've got the New York Post.
Thanks thanks to John Ksmettititi's taking these full page ads,
which helps us to engage the public. Are warriors out there?
When we post phone numbers, you know, call the Senator,
call your state representative. It helps us with all of
our work. Every bit helps and we're so thankful to that.

(44:39):
And you can find me every day on YouTube under
everything is called Lynd's Warriors because I want everybody to
step up and be a warrior. Thank you, community, thank you,
thank you.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
My darling Lyn Shaw from Lynd's Warriors. This has been warrior.
We can thank you as usual, my darling. Thank you
for your incredible work. I know because I live with you.
Thank you, beauties, and I know what you're doing. Thank
you so much. We'll talk to you again next week.
Thank you, Love you as well. Coming up more coming
up in an area of our culture that perhaps maybe

(45:07):
you have not thought of. So whatever you do, don't
think about moving on. Stay tuned. This is another side
of Midnight with Lionel. Your eyes dot swim physically.

Speaker 7 (45:21):
The other side of Midnight with Lionel on the Red
Apple Podcast Network.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
Di Kia. I ask my friends shades of peewee Harman,
this is Lionel with you on another side of Midnight
eight hundred and eighty four, eight nine to two. Again
thanks to Lynn Shaw from Lynz Warriors Lynzwarriors dot org
and of course Lyn's Warriors on YouTube and Lin's Underscore

(45:53):
Warriors on next. Edward in Indian has been waiting by
Edward wants to elucidate us with the latest regarding flu studies.
I believe is that correct?

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Her?

Speaker 10 (46:04):
Hello line great. Grateful to hear Lynn on the air.
She's so so full of information. No, I wanted to
talk about an old study from MIT that was published
in National Geographic way back about the speed of a
sneeze in the contents and whatever. The affluents are really disgusting.

(46:24):
The photography they did was brilliant and back in the day,
just to show and fifty one hundred miles an hour
the effluence can travel. But they said it's worse to
hold a sneeze in it hurts the throat and the
blood vessels and such. Then the people who did the
polite uh uh, you know, hold the sneeze and and such.

(46:45):
The women focus especially it's not recommended, but that's five
to six feet distancing. They were saying that was totally ineffective,
and that, like you said, like Lynn said, she too,
was it ineffective because these things travel up to twenty
seven feet. Whatever's coming out of you, uh, and that's

(47:07):
tried to six feet is very Uh it doesn't work,
you know. And Linn said, follow the money trail, and
that's what it's all about, you know. Uh, you know,
I used to watch Governor.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
Cuomo and his midday and that was the worst.

Speaker 10 (47:23):
See, so it's all about money worse talk about thousands.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
Slow down, slow down, slow down, slow down. Are you
suggesting that we should have that the distances was were
greater than six feet, that it was far more contagious?
What what is the theme of what you were saying.

Speaker 10 (47:44):
At both sir and that you know, it's they just
did it so they could we could just keep on
going with our lives as we're in.

Speaker 6 (47:53):
Not too.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
So you're saying we should have been women. Are you
saying we should have been quarantined, that we should have
been farm you.

Speaker 10 (48:00):
Should have been all been wearing bubbles. I know another
doctor Wait.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
A minute, excuse me, stop for a second. Wait, wait,
you want us to wear bubbles?

Speaker 10 (48:08):
Well, the bubble boys were actually working with the cars.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
Stop for a second. Are you serious? Are you saying
yes or no? You wish we would have worn.

Speaker 10 (48:16):
Bubbles doctors that I know we're wearing.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
Are you saying yes or no? Very quickly? Okay, thank
you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, have a nice day
that is patently profoundly insane by definition. More coming up
on Another side of Midnight with Meet Lionel. Stay tuned.

Speaker 7 (48:40):
Bubbles The Other side of Midnight with Lionel on the
Red Apple Podcast Network.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
I know, I know, I know, I know, I know,
I know.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
Already line up with you. This is another side of Midnight,
our number two of this thing of Ours eight hundred
and eighty four, eight nine to two. I was talking
to you before about something which I think is very
very critical, and that is the idea of what we
celebrate in terms of our American culture.

Speaker 6 (49:49):
You know this.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
Recently we had FIFA in the World Cup, and while
I don't know anything about football, soccer, whatever you want
to call it, I recognize the fact that, for whatever
it's worth, whether you agree with it or not or
whether you care, the entire world was focused on this
behavior on a game.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
The entire world.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
The world it stopped because of a game. And if
somebody came from another planet and you would say to them,
you know, this is what we do. There are some
things that we become crazy over and I of course
don't understand it, but that doesn't mean anything. But I

(50:34):
want to tell you something which I am fascinated by,
and it's something which was so much a part of
my life growing up. This past week, on the fourth
of August, it was announced, and this may not mean
anything to you, but former NWA National Wrestling Alliance champion

(50:59):
Dory Funk Junior passed away at the age of eighty five,
I believe eighty five. And what he did was he
was during my childhood. He was one of the greats.
You see, I grew up initially, which makes kind of

(51:23):
no sense, but I grew up in Florida or Tampa,
not Tampa Bay, Tampa, and it's the most it's the
most unique place. Tampa's ap Clearwater, but the West Coast,
whatever you want to call it. We didn't have. This
was before the Buccaneers. We didn't have any any any

(51:45):
I don't know, organized sports of sorts. Yeah, we had
Spring Training and the Reds. This is even I think
before even before Steinbrenner and the Yankees, but we really
didn't have We had University of Tampa football, but nothing.
There was nothing except except the greatest wrestling in the

(52:06):
world NWA in the sixties and seventies. It was phenomenal.
And when you were a kid, I was at I
saw Dory Funk win the title when he beat Gene Kiniski.

(52:27):
I was eleven years old. I was with my father
and I remember this. And when you were a kid,
and you see hulking men, not in any way, not
cut or jacked or no, no six packs they drank
a six pack.

Speaker 11 (52:45):
They didn't.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
They were just enormous, enormous, big, just big. And you
could be up so close, and the venues were so small,
not small, but smallish. You could hear every slap punch,
you heard it, you could see because of the lighting,
spit fly blood you Actually there was a time when,

(53:11):
depending upon where you sat, you could actually get blood
on you if depending upon the mass, because sometimes it
would run around the ring, and that was called juice
in the biz, or to use the Carne language, jiazus,
and of course people who were in the business spoke

(53:31):
carnie or kiazarni. It was a language of wrestling itself.
It was a part of our culture when you were
a kid. I was, and I remember one time going,
I had no idea what this was and where. I mean,

(53:53):
it's hot, there are people screaming. I'm looking at people.
That was I I could still see this woman in
my mind. Maybe I'm embellishing this. She had like a
MoMA on and curlers and a trot and people could
smoke inside. And she is yelling, flipping the bird and
giving people the finger and yelling every f laden expl stuff.

(54:15):
This is somebody's grandmother, and screaming and yelling and black
and white and everybody just in this.

Speaker 6 (54:24):
It was.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
It was a cacophony. It was an organic thing. You
don't know what that's like. Because fitz McMahon came along
and ruined it, great for him, terrible for us. The
matches became campy and stupid and theatrical and satanic, and
he got rid of the blood and the juice and

(54:45):
the just it lost it. Plus you couldn't hear you
couldn't hear somebody being slapped across the chest, the sound
of a punch, not the stuff you hear on TV,
but to hear it and see it and you realize,
oh my god. And people said, oh, that's fake. And
you see somebody dropped on his back from high atop

(55:07):
he's hitting. Gravity cannot be faked. And I remember one
time after we saw the first match, I was exhausted.
I was just a kid. I had school the next day.
That was just the first match. Then I go to
the second, and by the time at the end of
a lights out or the final, the closer lights out match,

(55:29):
or a Texas Death match or something that was like
the Biggie. This is all just to revue up. I
remember I came home. I couldn't sleep. My mother told
my father, don't you ever do this on a school night.
I couldn't sleep. I thought to myself, I just saw

(55:50):
somebody killed. I remember one time walking out of the
arena and Johnny Vallen, remember Greg the Hammer of Valentine.
This is Johnny's father was cut he. Of course I
didn't realize this, but people would have to. They would
cut themselves. It was a gaff or gyeaz aft. They

(56:12):
would have a blade. Normally you could tell if somebody
had some kind of tape on their fingers, you know
there was going to be blood. Sometimes they had a
blade or something secreted in their shorts. I don't know
where how they did that. Maybe they would be in
the turnbuckle, who knows. But he sat there and he
had a nice gaff, gash whatever in his head. And

(56:34):
he was sitting there, collapsed in the corner, and we left.
We walked by, and I'm looking at this man, sweat
and blood, no tears, with blood pulsating from a wound
in his head. I'm ten years old and he's just

(56:54):
sitting there and we're walking by. We didn't know what
to say, like, Johnny, are you okay? Can I call
you an ambulance? Nobody nobody cared. Now let me ask
you something. You want to go watch FIFA be my guys,
want you want to watch the NFL?

Speaker 6 (57:09):
Go ahead?

Speaker 4 (57:10):
You want to nothing? Nothing was like this. And Dorry
Funk from Emeralo, Texas's brother Terry Funk, who was just
one of the greatest heels and wrestling was. You just
don't have it anymore.

Speaker 6 (57:27):
You don't have it.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
It's not here. I'm sorry, kids, it's you're never gonna
see it again. You never saw it.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
And in.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
During that time before Vince McMahon, Vince Senior, his father
was there. He had the w W w F and
there were territories around the country, actual territories coalitions. You
had the nw A you had in Florida, this was
Eddie Graham. You had the Crocketts in North Carolina. You
had verne Gania in Minnesota. The a w A you

(57:58):
had EXAs was Jack Atkinson, the von Erriks, the whole
family tragedy, all dead, overdosed, I mean, just wild Bill Watson, Oklahoma.
Not really the West coast there wasn't it was. It
was East coast for the most part, or east of

(58:18):
the Mississippi, kind of like the way Coors beer used
to be distributed Saint Louis the quil Auditorium and in
New York Madison Square Garden. And it was something the
likes of which you'll never see again. When Pedro Mormiles
and Arnold Skull and then go on and on and
on and on, and when you grew up, this was

(58:41):
something that you just I'm telling you so years later,
I've worked with people, and I say this with all
due respect, but some of the dumbest people I've ever
met in my life were radio programmers, people who just
had no clue as to the culture none. I don't

(59:03):
know what they I don't know where they lived, I
don't know what planet they lived, I don't know where
they were raised, if they noticed anything. And I remember
there was some event one time, something that happened, and
one of these pds is a called program Directors, which
it's a whole other realm. This Jadrool said to me,

(59:28):
nobody cares about wrestling, and I remember it was like
somebody hit me in the chest with an oar and
I looked at him and said, this was not very good.
I said, you are from a parallel universe. I never
want to visit. Do you know what you just said?
Do you know what you just said? It's like years

(59:49):
ago when Dale Earnhardt died. Anybody understands NASCAR, NASCAR is
it's ginormous, but because to their way of thinking, it's well,
I don't go to NASCAR, and if I don't go,
nobody goes. And if I don't understand it. Nobody understands.
This is why people think. When dal Ernhardt died, America stopped.

(01:00:13):
They wept. It was it was horrible. There were people
There are things in our cultures NFL yes, and baseball, yes,
but there are other things that we do. And when
this week, it was so funny. When I realized that
Dori Funk had died, I thought, oh my god, everything
just just flashed back, and I realized this part of

(01:00:33):
our society we're never going to see again. It was
so wonderful. And everybody has a grandmother or a grandfather
usually who would sit and watch this. And sometimes you
would say grandma or none now or no, no, whatever
you whatever you want.

Speaker 6 (01:00:52):
To call them.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
You can't watch this. This isn't good for your health.

Speaker 10 (01:00:55):
No, no, I like this.

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
No, don't black and white the old days. And then
what people don't understand how critical this was. Everything was
interesting until gorgeous George came along and changed everything post

(01:01:19):
World War Two. This flamboyant, blonde haired, golden Bobby Pinned.
He had the robes and he had this. He was
basically very effeminate, very fay, very.

Speaker 6 (01:01:34):
There.

Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
I say, spin Tree a host of great words for this,
and he was the inspiration from Muhammad Ali and Elton
John and Freddie Mercury and glam Rock and Elvis and Prince.
He was the first person ever to add flash panache.

(01:02:00):
This is gorgeous George. Gorgeous George so much a part
of our culture and wrestling was a balance of good
versus evil, the Greek tragedy, the babyface versus the heel,
the good guy versus the bad guy, with rules sort of,

(01:02:24):
with a referee sort of, and with excitement with some
of the greatest performers ever. There is nothing today, not Broadway,
not a concert, nothing where they have to go out
and bring you to the end, to the edge of
your seat in a froth. Mick Jagger couldn't do it.

(01:02:46):
Nobody can do this. Yeah, people will scream, Yeah, people
will clap, Yeah, people will dance. But to have people
feel like they're going to pull their hair out to
be able to put on a pageant where two people
are trying to make it look and they are so
good that they're trying to kill each other. And you're

(01:03:06):
watching this and there's a part of you that feels
relieved that they're not hurting themselves, because if they did,
you would feel ghoulish, You would feel kind of guilty
about it. But you think to yourself, is this real?
Is this nah? But if but I'm watching it, what
is it? And before this proliferation of a shoe, you know,

(01:03:28):
interviews and the destruction of k Fabe, which I'll explain
it was the closest guarded secret there was. Our number
is eight hundred and eighty four eight nine two two two.
Do you know what I'm talking about? Were you ever

(01:03:48):
a fanatic? And so the world of pro wrestling, depending
upon which part of the country you lived work coming
up on another side of Midnight.

Speaker 7 (01:03:57):
With Lionel, the other side of Night with Vinyl on
the Red Apple podcast network.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
What goes up.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
Must Come Down?

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Spinning Wheel got.

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
To all around and of course he is a great
David Clayton Thomas who passed away recently from Blood, Sweat
and Tears. This was a Canadian who the greatest compliment
you could ever show, could sing soul in a black
style without sounding like he stole it, but he's doing

(01:04:44):
some faux soul. He was incredible. Bill Medley, Corey Wells
from Three Dog Night. These were people who had a
particular style different my friends. If you I've noticed as
of late there is this interest in UFC MMA, marsh

(01:05:06):
Bak's martial arts, jiu jitsu, you know, Joe Rogan and
Dana White, that sort of thing. And there are these
folks who are now into grappling and these tough guys,
and it's something which is very very interesting. In fact,
it's a wonderful I think, kind of a return, so

(01:05:29):
to speak, to the sort of the glory days of this.
I am profoundly unimpressed. I don't know why I would
rather watch boxing than that. I've never caught on. But
they fancy themselves as being able to get on the mat.
They want to get you down. They can do chokes,
and they can do a variety of things and you

(01:05:53):
can and they have califlower ears. In fact, there is
an organization called the Califlower Ear Club where professional wrestling
they meet every year. They used to where you have
all these old timers, and I one time went to
one with my friend Gordon Solian. Who was there was
Joe Scarpaugh, also known as Chief Jay Strongbow. He was

(01:06:14):
yet another Italian pretending to be an Indian. Remember the
fellow Iron Eyes Cody. Remember when you were a kid
in the sixties. He was the Indian and the canoe.
He had the tear coming down his face. He's he's Sicilian.
I don't know why they he looked Indian, I guess anyway.

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And professional wrestling, we'll talk about that later. But the
guy that I met one of the scariest people ever
to look at him, and even he was a little
bit older than to look at him and think, okay,
he was dangerous. He was a hooker and in professional
wrestling talk, this is the ultimate. His name was Luthez,

(01:06:57):
and Luthez held the longest run in the NWA for
the title. This is when it mattered because for you
to even be I mean, there have been some greats,
Harley Race and Dory Funk, who was the second longest.
Lou Thees held it for twenty three hundred days, and
there were others who were interesting. He held it twice.

(01:07:21):
But let me explain to you why this fellow was
so interesting. Again, he looks he looked like a kind
of an in shape man, but he was a killer.
And what happened was he was called a hooker, and
in the world of professional wrestling, these people don't even
exist anymore. He was taught by Ed Strangler Lewis, who

(01:07:43):
was the George Washington of hookers, and what a hooker
was was in the old days of barnstorming. He would
go around the country and they would have somebody who
would be at carnivals and different events, and he would
challenge someone, if you can beat this fellow, you can
win a a ham or whatever. I don't know, and

(01:08:05):
he would have to lose during the day, and at
night he says, okay, I'm done with this, and he
would cripple you, break an ankle, do things that you submit,
submission holds, things you can't even imagine. And if he

(01:08:27):
were in and it would not necessarily bring blood though
he could. This guy was a killer and he was
lost because he wasn't flamboyant, but if he knew what
to look for, he was so scary. And that's how
these people used to be in the old days. The
Carl Gotchez and these people were from European theaters. They

(01:08:49):
were unbelievable. That was interesting. Also to note, which is
critical is that as this developed, it lost a little
bit of its luster when TV came well, when Vince
McMahon came and destroyed it because it became too flashy

(01:09:10):
to whatever you want to call it. But what was
the best about it was that it brought people in black, white, young, old,
and people would lose their minds. And it's something which
I was just thinking during my age. It's over with.
And I sometimes will go and see online various thanks

(01:09:32):
to YouTube, I can see some old matches. There's one
thing about wrestling which was so smart. They realized that
you somehow had to go beyond just the story during
do you remember what it was like at the height?
Only wrestling could do this at the height of the
Iranian hostage scare not scare? What am I saying? The

(01:09:54):
hostage take or or take take over, whatever you're gonna
call it, And they had sergeants slaughter against the iron
Ic An Iron Chek was actually a real Iranian. He
was part of the Shah's bodyguard. He's no kidding, he
really was not. It wasn't a joke because a lot
of these people embellish things left and right. There was

(01:10:16):
the Iron Sheek and then there was the original Sheek.
And the original Shek was out of Detroit, who was
the greatest and all he did was come out. He
never spoke a word. The most ed Farhat I believe
it was his real name, The scariest one to ever see.
He would take pencils, knives, blades and it would basically

(01:10:40):
come into the ring and just slice people's heads open.
I'm not kidding you. And if you think I remember
somebody said years ago, oh that's chicken blood and chicken blood.
First of all, the idea of sepsis, and God knows
what blood born pathogens are going to come into play

(01:11:01):
with chicken blood. And not only that, you would well
they would bite down on a blood capsule. They would
say these things, you can't produce this much blood. You
can't do it. So this was scary stuff and these people,
they had their lives threatened. And one time in the

(01:11:22):
in the ring, what used to be called a shoot
was when two people are in there really fighting it up,
and you had to know what to look for. There
are people who were really interesting. There were different phrases,
as you can imagine. I mentioned the language of Kiazarni
being able to speak. If I'm in the business, you

(01:11:43):
know how in the mafia, supposedly they say when you
introduce somebody, This is a friend of ours versus a
friend of mine. When you know how it is, if
you say a friend of ours, that means he's he's
he's already made, straightened out, got his button, got his badge,
whatever the phrase you want to use. He's a member,
he's a sworn member in wrestling. If I introduce somebody

(01:12:07):
to you, and this is somebody who is a fan,
somebody who's on in the business, he's a mark or
a miazarc, and that is a is this a kind
of a reference. If you meet a fellow wrestler, you
have to mention miazar. If you're in the business and
you know you're smart or smazart. It was so well documented.

(01:12:32):
If a if a, if a promoter found that you
were seen with your opponent, if you're a babyface or
a heel and you're traveling together. Remember years ago, who
was a hacksaw, Jim Duggan. I think in the Iron
Chic they were arrested. I think in New Jersey or
in the Turnpike or something. What bothered people the most

(01:12:53):
not not the drug, not the drug possession per se,
or the alleged drug possession, but that a Babyface and
Heel were traveling together.

Speaker 5 (01:13:01):
It was so.

Speaker 4 (01:13:04):
Protected, and then came the Internet and it destroyed it.
I mentioned this last week, the idea of organized crime,
the omerta not omerta, but oh mareta, the code of
silence in the mob, in the els and mafia, whatever
you want to call it. That's all shot because you

(01:13:25):
have people today doing podcasts and talking about what they
did and they were with this family and that family.
It's over with. It's done. If it may not seem
like much to you, but when you see professional wrestlers
explaining how they either matches were arranged, the finishes, the referees,

(01:13:46):
it is considered to so many people to be a
vile kind of a what's up? Just a violation of
the rules. There is you can't leave this years ago
to show you something to the world of professional wrestling,
is this everything goes. The professional wrestler himself was somebody

(01:14:12):
who was always pulling a rib. Their world is an angle,
a rib, a work. They have to deceive you. It's
the greatest, the greatest, I guess subject, the greatest analogy,
the greatest piece ever. Years ago we used to talk

(01:14:34):
about this, but I used to tell my good friend
at the time still is I have it to talked
to him in a while. But Curtis Lewa when he
was doing the Guardian Angels thing, this was professional wrestling.
This was a character. This was the babyface. Sometimes it
gets there are roles you have to play and what

(01:14:54):
people don't understand, especially when it comes to what we
do here. You have a role to play. What is
your work, what is your angle? What are you trying
to put out? What is your take? What is your persona?
And there's there's you have to sell it every single day.
Life is professional wrestling, good versus evil. If you watch

(01:15:18):
cable news, it's the good guys versus the bad guys.
Classic wrestling. For example, on cable news, Iranians bad bad,
nothing good about them, no Persian history, nothing bad guys.
Who these bad guys Hezbollah bad guys. That's it, all

(01:15:44):
of them, bad, crazy, evil, There's no wiggle room. That's
the way wrestling works. You can't be you can't be unsurius.
We see a good guy, see a bad guy, We're
not really sure. And in history, historically and hysterically also,
I found fascinating when I was a kid and I

(01:16:06):
had no idea about. I didn't know who world War
what World War II was about. I didn't know there
were these groups of people. And if you've ever seen
professional wrestling in the old days, there were certain themes.
If you wanted to be a German, if that was
your style, you had to shave your head, you wore
black tights, and you were known for one thing, and

(01:16:27):
one thing only, the claw. You would take your hand
and grab somebody by the head and squeeze their head
until they were unconscious or whatever. That's what you did.
Baron von Rashki, go down the list. They were all
the Germans, were all Nazis and they would grab your head.
I don't know why they just did this. Years ago

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there was a group called the von Brahnners and they
would do a lot of different things. They were managed
by a fellow named Jeff woman saw Weengroff. He was
a Jew representing Nazis, even wore a Nazi helmet. History
meant nothing to these people, meant absolutely nothing. Nobody cared, nobody.

(01:17:12):
We had Koreans, Samoans and Tongans are always wild, crazy haired, frantic,
step on you, Pompero, Firpo Haku or Ming, the dangerous,
the most dangerous wrestler in the toughest to day and
to date historically, barn None is a fellow named by

(01:17:36):
the name of Haku or Ming or Meng. Now, for
those of you who speak Sicilian, if I Sayming, it
is a different converence, different connotation. He one time famously
was alleged to have bitten a man's nose off in
a in a barroom fight. Absolutely did did. I mean,

(01:17:57):
just the most dangerous person anybody he's ever seen.

Speaker 5 (01:18:01):
And that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:03):
Angle brought them, brought people into that, that reputation came
into the ring. So we had I've seen this growing
up with something which I gain I didn't know who
the good guys were, the bad guys, the greatest performers
ever and some of the greatest athletes ever. Try going
an hour an hour running around with a bunch of

(01:18:26):
people at the ring at ringside. But they used to
be called ring rats. The girls, the women who would
go from from arena to arena were called arena rats
or these were the groupies who, oh yeah, this this
was so huge. Later on it kind of it would

(01:18:49):
break down into outlaw kind of lower versions of this.
In high school matches pretty kind of lower case, if
you will. The reason why this is important to me
was the fact that there was nothing today like that.
And this is before anybody worried about violence. This is
when America was tough. This is when we used to say,

(01:19:11):
this is great, this was fun. We weren't afraid. We
weren't wearing helmets when we rode a bike. I know
that's safe. We weren't worried about things. We weren't worried
about anything. We were tough, and we celebrated it, and
we loved it. And women and men, I'm telling you

(01:19:31):
it was one of the most ecumenical things you've ever
seen in professional wrestling. Didn't matter if you were black
or white, as long as you're good. They had women
against each other. Mullah uh, what's her name? Oh god,
the fabulous Mulla was one in I forget the oldest.

(01:19:52):
Oh God, Dolores are doors. They had midgets, midgets, sky
lo low little beaver, midget women, every conceivable political correctness meant,
nothing meant And they had deaf wrestlers and they didn't
have blind but they had people with different handicaps or

(01:20:14):
people who were It was also cheating and the world
of the referee. The referee was the most important part
of it. And I'll tell you why. The referee was
the guy in the middle who knew the finish, and
he would tell you what you're trying to convey to
your partner. We know the finish. We know in five minutes,

(01:20:38):
ten minutes, whatever it is. We know how I'm going
to end. I'm going to put you over. You were
going to win. But I've got to sell it. I've
got to bring heat. As they say, I can't just
pin you. It's got to be built up. That's where
our rings savvy comes in. We know the end, we
know the result, but how do we get there? So

(01:20:59):
sometimes I'm telling you what to do in the ring,
I'm talking to you. Sometimes you might miss it. The
referee is listening, he understands, he can convey it. He
is the general. He knows exactly where this is going.
He's probably more important than anything else. And the referee
was so good that if the audience didn't like a

(01:21:21):
particular end or particular result, he would turn to the
audience and ask them, what do you think? And you
can actually change decisions a virtue of applause. Imagine Yankee
Stadium strike. You're out boo. Okay, maybe not.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
I loved it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:39):
You suspend every aspect of reality. Rob is in white Planes. Rob,
You're on another side of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
Rob.

Speaker 4 (01:21:47):
I think you understand what I'm talking about, don't you?

Speaker 12 (01:21:50):
I do, I do absolutely. Are you related to Lionel Hampton.

Speaker 4 (01:21:56):
Yes, he's my twin brother.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
Bob.

Speaker 4 (01:21:58):
You have a wit. Rob, you have a Witel barrymore
Linel Hampton, Lionel, you are a Seriously, you have been
given a sense of humor that is very dangerous. Don't
abuse it. Very few people have your insight.

Speaker 12 (01:22:15):
I can't have to abuse anyone anyway. Bruno san Martino
was at the Westchester County Center. I was about twelve
years old. After the show, and it was a show,
I guess. He was in a parking lot and I
asked him for his autograph, but no paper. We had
no paper. He wrote it on the back of my
T shirt.

Speaker 10 (01:22:34):
I moved out of the.

Speaker 12 (01:22:35):
House after I got married, right and he died. I
went to my mother. I said, OK, where's my clothes?
And she gave my clothes to Goodwill.

Speaker 10 (01:22:46):
Oh no, he was.

Speaker 13 (01:22:51):
Quickly.

Speaker 4 (01:22:51):
Do you stop for a second. Will stop for a second,
stop stop stop. I want you to explain to can
you hear me? Can you hear me when I'm speaking
about okay, I want you to explain to somebody who's
listening right now, who says, I don't know who this
person is. How big was he and.

Speaker 6 (01:23:12):
What was it all?

Speaker 14 (01:23:14):
A kid in the Northeast. I don't know about down
where you were, Lionel, but in the Northeast he was god.
You could get his name on a poster and everyone
they would fell the county set of three thousand seats.

Speaker 4 (01:23:30):
But he Now think about this. Was there anybody else
in any other sporting venue that meant as much? I'm sorry,
I'm sure Babe Ruth was more popular. But remember when
he and people like Arnold Scholand and others. I'm trying
to think of who would have been in this particular
general they could sell out the garden without fail. I

(01:23:56):
mean that's right, you almost we didn't just here.

Speaker 12 (01:24:00):
Who was there were fighting that night?

Speaker 13 (01:24:02):
If they were there, you were there, Rob.

Speaker 4 (01:24:05):
I thank you, my friend, and thank you for your
rape year with eight hundred eight four eight nine two
to two two. This is this is the thing, you know,
when you talk to people in this country and you
say who was the greatest, who was the most popular
athlete of all time? And we would say, oh, Muhammad
Ali or Babruy's like no Pele, because more people knew

(01:24:26):
who he was than anybody else. And in our world,
what these people represented. This was not an athlete. This
was an athlete meets performer meets I don't know what
the world is. I had the opportunity. It was very
good friends with Bobby the Brain. Heenan knew him very

(01:24:49):
very well. We worked together, and I was tangentially I
did not know, but I was in the same company
or the same area with Andre the Giant. And there
is nothing I'm telling you that's a whole I could
do a whole show on that one. One of the

(01:25:10):
saddest stories, but one of the most incredible drinkers you
have ever seen. I think he holds the record for
how many beers he.

Speaker 6 (01:25:25):
He could.

Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
I mean, he was just infamous, but changed the course.
And these people, by the way, this was, this was
international and if you think they're big here in Japan,
you can't even get near it. Bob and Queens, Bob,
you're on the other side of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 9 (01:25:44):
Hello, Lionel, listening to your show, and I'm thoroughly enjoying
it because well, I'm seventy five years old, but I
was a huge wrestling fan back in the day, and
so many of these names that of bringing up I
so remember so well, and it was just great. It

(01:26:06):
was terrific stuff. I mean, when you were talking about
Luss and all, and when he ruled the NWA for
many years, there was all that talk. They were trying
to hook him up against San Martino at the time
when San Martino was the champ of the w W WF. Remember,
and also it came to mind that you may recall

(01:26:29):
the famous I used to go to many matches with
it a good friend of mine at the old Madison
Square Garden on fifty Street and Eighth Avenue. Yeah, but
a little before that, I wasn't in attendance with this.
Remember the famous riot at Madison Square Garden that pitted

(01:26:50):
doctor Jerry Graham, Wow, the Bruiser against Antonino RockA who
was huge in New York and I think.

Speaker 4 (01:26:59):
He was he was he was Ariel. He would hang
on a second, he would do famous or flying drop
kick remember that one Luke Graham. Remember there was doctor
who was Jerry Graham, Eddie Graham. They weren't related. And
uh and Dick, Dick the Bruiser, if I recall Dick

(01:27:19):
the Bruiser, didn't he die tragically? He was working out
and a barbell fell on his neck in his legs,
this huge Dick the Bruiser. These they were just hulking people.
But tell me about the riot, tell me about that.

Speaker 9 (01:27:38):
Well, so, yeah, so you know, wrestling even this was
probably if I had a guess, towards the late fifties,
you know. Uh, and even certainly back then, Uh, they
would still at Gardon out, you know, pretty much just
about every month because they had the matches every month.
And so uh it pitted the Bruiser and uh and

(01:28:00):
doctor Jerry Graham, who, by the way, him and his
brother Eddie Graham, if you remember, but they looked similar,
but they weren't really brothers.

Speaker 4 (01:28:10):
It was also crazy, do you remember crazy Luke there
were the Graham brothers. They were not brothers, correct.

Speaker 9 (01:28:18):
Right, right? And so uh so again the Bruiser and
doctor Graham against Antonino Rocker and I believe Miguel Perez
because Rocker and Perez were a famous tag team back then,
and the Bruiser and and doctor Jerry Graham. From what

(01:28:38):
I recall, we're doing some really crazy things, bringing bringing
both Rocker and Perez close to death right in the ring,
and relentlessly they wouldn't give up. The fans started going
crazy and they they had to stop the match. They
ended up barring uh Dictor Bruiser from ever wrestling in

(01:29:02):
New York again. Okay, wow, and yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:29:06):
Yeah it was great, Well so they say so they
oh so right, Richard the story I remember he died
in Tampa. He was Dick the Bruiser was sixty two
years old, a young man. He was lifting weights, the
weight slippers. I think he died of internal hemorrhaging. It
crushes esophagus. It's a very tragic, tragic case. Thank you,

(01:29:31):
yeah it yes, I thank you so much for your call.
Let me tell you about this one. This was the one,
the thing that I saw, which this is a true
true story. There was a again in wrestling in the
old days, there was nothing they would not do. There
was nothing that was tacky, nothing that was excessive. There
was a fellow you might have known him. His name

(01:29:52):
was Steve Kern. You might have known him as Gator Current.
He had some I don't know his gimmick was he
was a trapped gators or something. His father, Colonel Kern,
was in Vietnam. I think he was a Vietnam pow.
It might have been World War Two as well, but
a legitimate, a legitimate actual because you don't we didn't

(01:30:17):
know what to believe. There's one thing about wrestling. You
don't believe anything nothing. It's everything is a lie, everything
is prevarication and it's nonsense. Anyway, So when he came out,
Steve Kern when his father, when he was growing up,
he was raised and helped tremendously by Eddie Graham who

(01:30:39):
also he died tragically commit by suicide, his son, Mike Graham,
his grandson. It's that these stories in real life. Okay,
So Steve Kerrn has his debut, his father is there,
Gordon Solei, the greatest announcer ever. Here's the ad. They

(01:31:00):
bring out Colonel Current. They had to talk him into it.
He's a pow or He comes out and Steve Current says,
I'm so glad that I'll be able to wrestle in
front of my father, welcome back. You're an American hero,
and they're playing this up like you can't believe. A
fellow named Bob Rup came out. It said something to

(01:31:23):
the effect of, you know, this man's a coward anybody
who lets himself be you know, they claim that Trump
said that I I'm McCain, but he didn't. This was unequivocal.
I can't go into detail, but there were a lot
of people who took it very seriously. And in Tampa

(01:31:46):
the time we have a play had a place called
McDill Air Force Base now it's called Sencom and there
was a lot of people there who heard this and
didn't care for it. I'll just leave it at that.
When this match came out, when Bob Rup said this,
Steve Kerrn came out, screamed, looked, almost cried, how dare

(01:32:09):
you blaspheme to smirch my father a legitimate pow. He said,
I demand a lights out match. Lights out match means
that at the end of the evening they symbolically turn
the lights off for just a second to mean that
all quote MWA sanctioned matches are over. What you're about

(01:32:30):
to see is done outside of the auspices. We're not
going to take any responsibility. Whatever happens happens. If somebody dies,
it's their problem. Lights Out Match. I was there front row.
I'm going to tell you something I wanted to be.

(01:32:50):
If this was fake, I'm sure might have been exaggerated.
This was the greatest performance in the history of human theater.
He took this universal, the strap of the Universal. You
know that wrestlers were wrapped it around his neck, and
I swear to god, his eyes were rolling back in
his head. I'd never seen anything like that. People were

(01:33:13):
losing their minds. I was in this room. I've seen
a lot of things in the concerts, been to Broadway,
been to I don't know, you know, different venues, different events.
I have never been in a room where the organic

(01:33:34):
this connectivity. It was like watching I guess, the closest
thing to a colosseum or gladiators or something. I think
people were actually calling for blood. Now now you're thinking
this guy's exaggerating, I'm not. And I was in college.
I'm not even. I'm not even. I wasn't the kid.

(01:33:55):
Then it was the greatest event. I've never seen anything.
I wish I could have taken my wife because she
hears me talk about this, and then the people that
I've worked with, and you know, they're just there. There
is a breed of entertainer. Take some of the best

(01:34:17):
sportsman ever, great athletes, many of them either some were Olympians,
some were collegiate, and put them in this venue and
it's like nothing you've ever seen before. And you either
know what I'm talking about or you don't. And the
sad part is we will never see the likes of

(01:34:38):
this again. This was a part of our American culture
and around the world as well, but not like here.
And it's so quintessentially prototypically American. And if ever you
saw that, you saw something like again, I'm saying you
will never see again. It's gone, it's done, and nobody

(01:35:01):
does this anymore. Our number is eight hundred and eighty
four eight nine two to too. Also coming up a
very critical story as we look to back to school.
This is Linel with you on another side of Midnight.

Speaker 7 (01:35:16):
The Other side of Midnight with Lionel on the Red

Speaker 4 (01:35:30):
How are you line up with you on another side
of midnight? You know Casey in the Sunshine Bank. Casey
is still doing his thing. I think he's on cruise ships.
There there has been this this plethora of stars who
don't know when to stop. Have you seen Celine Dion Lailey?
Oh my god, as we say Mischina, she's oh, bad bad.

(01:35:53):
Barry Manilow, he looks like he's got a rubber mask on. Horrid.
Frank Valley, the worst of the worst of the worst.
Finally they had to pull the plug. They did the
same thing with Glenn Campbell. They were trying to run
Glenn Campbell. Oh, his family just kept, you know, pushing him.
He was really really bad. And we're seeing this more

(01:36:14):
and more and more. Madonna's kindest maybe close. There's a
point when you've got to say stop. But Casey bless
us hard. He weighs about three hundred pounds and he's
still doing his boogie. He's on cruise ships. Boogie. I
think he was out of Miami and I could never
understand what is this fixation with boogie? Do you boogie? Boogie?

(01:36:37):
Nighte boogie Ugi oogie. I still don't know what a
boogie is. Get on the floor and boogie. Everybody wants
to boogie. I didn't even know what that means now
coming up, my friends, this is back to school. And
if ever there's something that if I could be president

(01:36:58):
for one reason and one thing, I don't know, even
if president has jurisdiction over this, I would take school
and when I got done with it, you wouldn't recognize it.
We are so behind the world right now. And the
question I have is, was there anybody in your life,

(01:37:18):
a teacher who made the biggest impact on you that
changed your life? Do they exist anymore? I'd like to think,
So let's talk about that and everything we've talked here
before on Another Side of Midnight Witholine.

Speaker 7 (01:37:41):
The Other Side of Midnight with Lionel on the Red

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
I know, I know I know.

Speaker 4 (01:38:18):
Already all I know would do. This is the third
the final hour of this installment of this version of
Another Side of Midnight, This Thing of Ours, eight hundred
and eighty four, eight nine to two. My friends, I
don't know about you, but I'm finding myself more and
more tending to wax nostalgic, just looking back at what

(01:38:44):
is better, what is worse? I certainly would not want
to go back to everything in the past. I do
not want that. I think that while we say terrible
things sometimes and for good reason about the Internet and
various aspects of that, when it comes to research, when
it comes to the compilation and the codification of information,

(01:39:12):
there's no way you can beat what theoretically could be
available online versus you going into the dusty stacks of
a library which may or may not have the particular
book you're looking for. I think things are much better
in terms of that. My ability to access music today
is exponentially greater than anything in the past. But there

(01:39:36):
are some things which, unfortunately you cannot see. I don't
know why I'm finding myself not interested in attending any concert,
maybe because the people who are performing I don't particularly
care for. But there was a time when people actually
had to be musicians. It was a different time. But

(01:39:58):
my access to music now is better than it ever was.
Spotify is the greatest thing has ever ever come about.
Not only that, but just other you know Apple Music
and this and that, and even even you know Amazon Music,
but your ability to access scores and scores of algorithm

(01:40:21):
like music settings are wonderful. Things are so much better
now in many respects. But there's a couple of things.
As I mentioned before, the second hour professional wrestling, there's
nothing there's nothing like it today. You cannot see that.
You can't see it on TV, you can't go. It's
just the storyline and they don't know any better. And

(01:40:42):
I appreciate that. I appreciate what Vince McMahon tried to
do then. But the other day we were walking my
wife and I I forget what store and I said, oh,
back to school? Is that back to school already? Seems
like they're going back to school earlier and earlier, which
made me think why do we have which made me
think what would I do if I could change things?

(01:41:05):
And I am so lucky in many respects. I didn't
realize this at the time, but I'm lucky that I
attended parochial school, Catholic school growing up. At the time,
I thought it was horrible. We had uniforms and the nuns.
I did not understand who these people were. These were
actual nuns with cardboard and black veils, and they were

(01:41:30):
just they were just incredible and they represented something which
were just beyond anything you can imagine. And it was
so much better, and if we had them today like
I had, it would be a better place. They changed me,

(01:41:50):
they set me on a course.

Speaker 10 (01:41:54):
It was the best.

Speaker 4 (01:41:55):
We never had anybody acting out, Nobody ever skipped a grade.
People were held back. I remember somebody went, we heard
that this one kid. I don't know if it was
true or not, but they always told us this one
kid was held back because of his handwriting. I couldn't
understand that our ability to compete in the world today

(01:42:17):
is just so pathetic, because the fundamentals of what education
used to be, it's completely gone. If you follow the
story of this charlatan, this con, this ersots, this fictive,
this pretend, this Cambridge scholar who claims to be autistic.

(01:42:42):
I mean it is a story which is so he's black.
He's black, and everybody is so interested in promoting him
that they realize he's a con. So what he's doing
is of course making the the on the onslaught of
this to be race related. Along the lines. We lost

(01:43:02):
the schools, we lost what it was. And if I
could be the president, if I could run this country,
I would make sure that we had a different system
where we would identify people, people who are really talented,
and I would treat them the same way that we
treat somebody who is an athlete. We live in the
country of some of the stupidest people I've ever heard.

(01:43:24):
In fact, it is okay. I hear mispronunciations, I hear
bad English, I hear people who are barely able to
cobble together as a sentence, and it's acceptable. I see
right now where profanity has somehow been elevated to some
status that we look at admirably flipping people off, f bombing.

(01:43:50):
I'm not a prude. I would argue that in some
respects the ability to curse to something which is critical
for you to get along.

Speaker 1 (01:43:59):
In the world.

Speaker 4 (01:44:00):
You have to you have to be able to speak
and to converse via Dare I say coprolalia as it
is called, but to for it to replace regular thinking?

Speaker 9 (01:44:12):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:44:14):
Have you ever received an email from somebody or a
text and you're saying, what does this even mean? People
can't even write today. People can't write if you if
you possess a vocabulary that used to be considered eighth grade.
This was maybe around the the in the turn of

(01:44:34):
the centuries, or maybe in the forties or fifties, and certainly,
certainly not in the nineteenth century, which you would have
been considered almost pedestrian. You're considered showing off. Why are
you saying that? Why are you showing off? Why are
you daring? If you're a logo dentalist, a Cesscobadalian, if
you're a logo file if you're a oh my god,

(01:44:56):
why are you doing this? Why are you using big words?
We live in an anti intellectual world of chuffs and
churls and bores and idiots all over the place. I'm
telling you, good luck, good luck trying to do anything

(01:45:20):
about that at all. So as parents get their kids
ready for a new school year, ask yourself are they
learning anything? And looking back in your life, was there
ever a teacher, a person, someone who affected you positively

(01:45:40):
for the rest of your life, open something up, allowed
you to see something or think something that nobody else did.
So we'll take that, We'll piggyback on what we've spoken
about here before, and let's go. If I could to
Charlie in Bayside, you're on another side of midnight with.

Speaker 15 (01:46:01):
Yeah. Back in the seventies, when I was in grade school,
our middle school, me and my friend Craig we were
the nerds, I guess, and we were watching wrestling on
Channel forty one Luca Libre Spanish commentators, and it was
funny and great and we didn't understand the word, but
we enjoyed it. And we had all the old timers there,

(01:46:22):
Chief j strongbow Christer Fuji Tanaka.

Speaker 13 (01:46:26):
We root for all the.

Speaker 15 (01:46:27):
Little guys that were fast and not bulky, and it
was wonderful back then. And years later I have a
friend who became a chef in Atlanta, and all the
rest of its will come in.

Speaker 11 (01:46:38):
There and all the bad guys and good guys.

Speaker 15 (01:46:41):
Will be at the same table.

Speaker 11 (01:46:42):
Oh no, no, see, yeah that is something seek and
Sergeant Floyd at the same table after that. Yeah, they
were all friends off the off the camera, I wish.

Speaker 4 (01:46:55):
And by the way, thank you for your call. Do
you know how in the old days that was soberbot
and that would have gotten you fired for you to
publicly show that. K fabe k fabe kyfabe was the
phrase for maintaining the mystery, the storyline behind that was

(01:47:19):
in the old days. This is one version of it.
In the old days, when wrestlers would check in before
cell phones, they would check in with their wives or
families to let them know that they've reached their destination
or what have you, because the traveling was just ungodly.
But in any event, they would call person to person,

(01:47:39):
a color call for k fabe, and somebody was saying,
I'm sorry, he's not here, thank you very much, And
that would be a way of saying I'm here without
paying for the call. Kids, It don't even know what
that means. It was so adherent to Mexican luceli what
a wrestling is. On another level with the masks, there

(01:48:05):
was the most famous Mexican restaurant big in this country
was mill Moscatis a thousand masks, and I don't know
if he ever took his mask off, if anybody knew
who he was. I have no idea to wear the mask,
to wear a hood, as it is referred to. We

(01:48:28):
don't really see this anymore. But there was something very
very eerie, very frightening about it. And of course whenever
somebody came in wearing a hood, as they say you had,
what you did was you would take it and slide it,
turn it halfway, make a quarter turn. And now they're

(01:48:49):
blinded because the eye holes are where his ear is.
And it was very, very funny. That's the patented reaction. Brandon,
Brandon and Chicago, you're on another side of Midnightwood.

Speaker 5 (01:49:03):
Lionel, Hey, Lionel, thanks for taking my call. Yes, sir,
I just wanted to comment on the wrestling topic. You know,
it's something that me and my grandma actually shared kind
of a special over.

Speaker 10 (01:49:22):
You know, here's this.

Speaker 5 (01:49:24):
You know, she's ninety six now, but she came to
the country in sixty nine from a little town and
what used to be Yugoslavia which is now Serbia, which
borders borders Romania. And you know, she speaks Romanian, all
the Romanian traditions. She's Romanian Orthodox. You know, made her

(01:49:46):
own bread, made her own egg noodles. And here she is,
you know, watching wrestling and loving wrestling, and she would
just get so into it. And I just thought that
was so fascinating. And I want to ask you if
you ever seen the Sheek, you know he go through
the fireballs and stuff that now you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:50:06):
You're talking about the original Cheek, not the iron Shold.
This was in This was in Detroit, w His name
was Ed Farhat. He was the original one. He had
the the whatever, not the turbane but whatever that that, yeah,
you know, the you know, the the thing we do
with the fan belt or whatever whatever you call that thing.

(01:50:27):
He was you know, he never spoke a word. He
never spoke a word that you could hear. He never
ever had a wrestling move, he never ever. There was
no finish, there was no nothing. He would come out
with a pencil, a pen some type of a dagger
and he would just cut people's heads open. There was

(01:50:50):
nothing like it. He was the ultimate, probably the scariest
heel of them all. Now you mention something about your grandmother,
do you know how many people share that with, especially
foreign grandparents, grandfather, grandmother who they loved this and sometimes

(01:51:11):
they would even try to tell these people, listen, don't
watch this. This isn't good for your health. Take it easy.
You might get too excited, but you will always have
that with her. And it was something that you and
you basically she's your grandmother and you're looking at her
and you're saying, I dig this. She knew what was
going on.

Speaker 3 (01:51:29):
You did.

Speaker 4 (01:51:30):
Isn't that a beautiful thing? I don't think people can
understand unless you've been a part of this this is
alien to them, would you agree?

Speaker 5 (01:51:39):
Most definitely? And she doesn't speak English, if anything, it's
broken English. You know, she doesn't understand much English. But
you know she would just get so into it, and
you know when the guys, you know, hurt, she'd be like,
oh my gosh.

Speaker 9 (01:51:55):
You know, she think it's real.

Speaker 4 (01:51:59):
And isn't it funny? And also you've got this is
a woman who has lived here for a long since
nineteen sixty nine, who never bothered to learn English. I've
got relatives like that. They never bothered because in her enclave,
in her world, she never had to. But don't you
think if you were in a country you would just
pick it up? Don't you think you would pick up

(01:52:20):
the language? You couldn't help it. But I've got relatives
like this who never learn English their entire life. I
don't know if it's obstinacy or something I kind of
admire in a weird way. Brandon, I thank you so
much for calling it, Thank you so much for sharing
that with this. Eight hundred and eighty four eight nine
two two two. My friends, be not mistaken. This is

(01:52:43):
another side of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 7 (01:52:46):

Speaker 4 (01:53:00):
When you're talking in your sleep, I hear the secrets
that you're cute number eight hundred and eight for eight
nine to two two, eight hundred nine for eight nine
two two two. You know what's funny? Have you ever thought,
wouldn't it be something if you could see your grandparents
again now at your age now and them at their age,

(01:53:23):
or to see them at roughly the same age, wouldn't
you wouldn't that be something? Or to even be with
your parents, to meet your parents, your mother and father
and you're the same age they are, what would they
look like to you? I'm thinking more and more. I
don't know if I'm just waxing philosophic, but I always

(01:53:46):
think what would that be like today? Eight hundred eight
four eight nine two to two two. Let's go back
at the moments, back to the final Let's go to
Mike in New Jersey. Mike, you're on another side of Midnightwood, Lionel,
I see.

Speaker 13 (01:53:59):
Well doing what's going on?

Speaker 10 (01:54:01):
Sir?

Speaker 13 (01:54:01):
So? I used to go and see wrestling at the
Washington Armory in Auburny, New York, which was, of course
north of where you were in Tampa. So I got
to witness it. I got to witness the giant in person. Unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (01:54:16):
I mean, what is that describe described with somebody seven
to four and towards the end he was he was
at about five hundred pounds, but seven four did you
did you ever see the picture of him? He could
take a can of beer, a regular can, and if
he put his hand, he could he could hide it.

(01:54:38):
His hand was like it wasn't real. I can't tell
you the stories I heard. He was very, very difficult
when he was traveling on planes.

Speaker 13 (01:54:53):
I've seen the specials, which was sad. It was said
to hear about it.

Speaker 4 (01:54:56):
Well, how about when he had to go to the bathroom,
I'm gonna exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:55:01):
And when he would go to.

Speaker 4 (01:55:03):
A hotels he never and he never he people would
look at him and no matter how much it would
gawk at him, it would stare at him. People looked
afraid he heed. He would he drank, you know, he
would he drank at.

Speaker 13 (01:55:24):
Level before eighty eight eighty or one hundred and twenty
beers in like a sitting Yes, seriously, yes, yeah, I
mean a lot, a lot. I mean, but I mean
I I was probably ten years old, right, see, and
I remember he walked down the aisle to go into
the ring, right, and I remember stand, I looked up,

(01:55:46):
I looked left, and they had to look right. I
couldn't see him. I mean, you couldn't see the man
in your own view. It was crazy, totally crazy. I mean,
he was enormous.

Speaker 4 (01:55:58):
But there was a story Bobby Heenen told me years ago.
Bobby was his manager. As you know, well he was
never he Bobby the brain was the greatest, sweetest, smartest
man you'll ever meet. So anyway, Andre Andre did not
really go out. He liked to go to places where

(01:56:18):
he could. He felt that nobody would bother him, where
he would be accepted. Each town he had a favorite place. Well,
one night they were someplace I don't know where it was.
So Andre says, come on, let's go out, which was
a rarity. So they went to this bar and the
way Bobby tells the story, he walks in Andrea's and
he sees this woman with her back She's at the
bar with her back turned. And he turns to Bobby

(01:56:41):
and he says, I know her. I can't do the voice,
but I know, so he creeps, so he walks over
behind her. He wants to surprise her. Now there's wooden.
The bar himself has wooden planks, so as he takes
a step, it's cracking and creaking. Now listen to this imagine.
She's looking straight ahead. Yeah yeah, wait, wait, let me finish.

(01:57:04):
Let me look at it. She's looking ahead. The bartender
is looking at her. The bartender looks up and sees
this seven foot four, five hundred pound giant creeping up
behind her to surprise her. He puts his hands around

(01:57:26):
her neck to protect it, like playfully. This man's face
is looks like he's seen a ghost. She doesn't know
what this is. She looks over and she sees these
baseball bat fingers, and.

Speaker 6 (01:57:42):
She says, what the hell is this?

Speaker 4 (01:57:44):
He leans over, looks at her. He's got this head
the size of a watermelon, these little shoe peg teeth
and the hair. Anyway, it's the wrong woman, it's not her.
She almost loses control of her bodily functions, and she's just,
oh my, the hell is this? Imagine that you're thinking

(01:58:05):
face to face up close, and I'm sure his breath
is not exactly so. But this was a guy who
years there was a story that's the most Also, there
was a great remember a guy by the name of
the Ultimate Warrior. Remember this, yes, yep, he used to
be called used to be called the Dingo Warrior. He

(01:58:28):
wrestled in Dallas years ago, and he was all rotted
up and he was he was real stiff, and he
just never never could work. As they say. It wasn't
a good wrestler people. He would hurt people. So there
was this story, well listen to this. So the rule
was Vince said that Bobby said that whatever you do,

(01:58:48):
don't hurt Andre. He was in the last legs of
his career and just don't hurt him. Well, the Warrior
supposedly decided, I'm going to show him kind of whose boss,
So I yees. So he went off the ring. Ropes
came back and he basically like clothesline Andre, and he

(01:59:09):
and Andre looked a little wobbly, and Bobby is screaming,
that's enough, they're going crazy. I said no more, and
Bobby says, don't worry. I mean the Andre, so don't worry.
He did it again. Now this time it really kind
of rocked him. And Andre was not doing well towards
you and he had acromegaly. They say you never live
past forty. Okay. What he finally did was he turns

(01:59:32):
to Bobby because he sees that the Warrior is going
to do this again. And he turns to Bobby and
he says, he says, what, wait a minute, are you
gonna let me finish your this? Okay, you can maybe
anticipate what I'm gonna say anyway, So he said.

Speaker 2 (01:59:47):
Watch watch this.

Speaker 4 (01:59:51):
He puts his hand out as he comes off the
ring and then hits him flat in the face. His
paint goes sideways. He is not He's almost going to
pass out. Andre has to quote put him over, meaning
he's got to win. The guy's almost unconscious. This is
actually happening.

Speaker 12 (02:00:12):
I thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (02:00:13):
Might call me again. I've got to say something that
is the most it. I've got to say something. It's
not your fault. This phone system does not allow us
to speak like regular people. So as I'm talking, he's saying,
uh huh yeah, yeah yeah, uh huh uh huh. I say,
let me get this out, and it's not his fault.

(02:00:34):
So ifever you're wondering, why is this happening, it's not
out of rudeness. It's this system. I don't know what
it is. It doesn't allow for regular phone conversation. It's
like when one talks, the other is shut off or
in any of it. Enough of that explanation, Robert in
New York, you're on another side of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 6 (02:00:57):
Well, well, well, good morning. Why you know you know?

Speaker 4 (02:01:00):
Where have you been, sir? Where have you been?

Speaker 6 (02:01:05):
Well, I'm about to tell you that I just got
back two days ago from a marvelous trip to Western Canada,
where I was part of a music train. We ran
around the Prairie provinces for four days. For five days,
the entire train was taken over by musicians and storytellers,
and we would stop at local spots and we would

(02:01:26):
perform for the locals for free.

Speaker 4 (02:01:30):
Now explain to folks who are listening what it is
that you do.

Speaker 6 (02:01:35):
Good sir, Well, I'm retired. I taught history to high
school and college students for forty years, but I've been
retired for twenty seven and now I travel all over
the UK, CARDA one of the United States, and collect folklore.

Speaker 4 (02:01:52):
Now explain what that means.

Speaker 6 (02:01:55):
I collect ballads, I collect jacktails, I collect riddles. I
collect folk speech, and what do.

Speaker 4 (02:02:04):
You do when you collect them? You say, jack tails?

Speaker 5 (02:02:08):
What is that?

Speaker 6 (02:02:09):
Yes, a jacktail is a story from European tradition where
it's a I guess you'd call it a magical tale
where there are earth and three sons, and the youngest
of which is named Jack or Jacques or Ti Jean
or anything. He's the youngest son. He's the kind son.

(02:02:31):
He's the one who does things for strangers, as explosed
to two nasty brothers who think they're clever and smart.
But he always wins the princess, and he always becomes
the king's daughter and king's son in law. But somehow
he loses all his fortunes until the next story. And
in the United States there are jacktails that have been

(02:02:53):
found in North Carolina, West Virginia, Tennessee, all over the South.

Speaker 4 (02:02:59):
And let me ask you, he says, yes, when you
collect these, do you chronicle them? Do you pass them
on to you? What do you do with your stories
once you absorb them? Hear them, learn them.

Speaker 6 (02:03:13):
In most cases where I get permission to tell the
stories because sometimes to see, stories are family stories, and
you like to credit the origins of them. If I
perform myself, which I do in many cases most of them, however,
I put in my private files when I come home

(02:03:33):
for my own edification.

Speaker 4 (02:03:36):
Now you were a history professor, instructor, teacher, what have you?
Tolstoy said famously that history would be a wonderful thing
if only it were true. How much of what you
have taught is indeed a jacktail, a mythology, an old
wives tale, or a fable disguised as history.

Speaker 6 (02:04:01):
Well, much of history? What's the old phrase? I'm sure
you've heard the canard History is written by the winners, Yes,
loss the losers sit around saying, shut up and deal.

Speaker 4 (02:04:14):
Also, Napoleon said that history is a myth that men
agree to believe or to follow. We say things. I
cannot tell you how many times I hear people say things.
For example, one of my favorites is how people still
insist that somewhere and you might have wondered about the

(02:04:37):
mighty they, because people will say, you know, they've said,
they've proved, they've that. Whenever there's a full moon, that
emergency rooms are filled with people because they have said this,
they and it's there's no there's no evidence of this
at all, none, whatsoever. Zero, It doesn't exist. There is no,

(02:05:01):
there's never been. But they or you for people say
that if you swim too soon after you've eaten, you'll
get to cramp and sink to the bottom and die.

Speaker 13 (02:05:12):
How do the god?

Speaker 6 (02:05:14):
I heard that. When I was a kid, my parents
would always say you shouldn't you shouldn't take a bath,
or you shouldn't swim too soon after you've eaten.

Speaker 4 (02:05:22):
Yes, And the theory behind this, do you know how
you know? You know the mechanism behind that, why that works?
Purportedly because when you were digesting food. The theory is
that the blood leaves your extremities you're musculature, and it
goes to your viscera. And therefore, whenever you need blood

(02:05:43):
to replenish your arms or legs as you're swimming or kicking,
you're not going to be able to because you're digesting.
I mean, it's the silliest thing. And Bill Cosby even
talks about it. Depending upon what you've eaten, it's a
different amount of time for you to wait. Franks and beans,
you don't go in at all.

Speaker 6 (02:06:04):
Well, before I go, I want to give you I
haven't given you any proverbs recently, but please, I recently
did some I recently did some collecting from some Romany
friends of mine up in upstate New York.

Speaker 13 (02:06:18):
There were gypsies.

Speaker 6 (02:06:20):
Yes, well, that's why I say. That is why I
say I am totally enamored of your theme song. I
loved listening. I will listen to your program just to
hear the theme song by the Gypsy Kings. Fascinating magical group.
But I heard a proverb that I thought might interest you.

(02:06:41):
It's supposedly from various parts of Eastern Europe. It's been
said to belong to the Romany of Lithuania from Zagreb.
And the proverb is this, A bean in liberty is
infinitely worth more than a cake in prison.

Speaker 4 (02:07:05):
Because of the potentiality of it, the idea that it's
something could if it's unfettered and uncontrolled and unchained, the
potential potential energy.

Speaker 6 (02:07:18):
We'd rather well, I mean, you'd rather eat a simple
bean in freedom that you would rather have a seven
layer cake in prison. I totally agree with that, by
the way.

Speaker 4 (02:07:28):
Yeah, but a couple of things to you speak of
the Romany was very interesting. They there word gypsy, weren't
didn't they think they were somehow Egyptian or something at first,
and hence that name.

Speaker 6 (02:07:42):
Well, yeah, I don't know. I'll tell you the short version.
The Romany or the Gypsies claim that they their original
home was in a place called Rakasthan in India. They
claimed that they also brought the bagpipes west with from India.
That's pretty much certain. But they claim that in their

(02:08:06):
great migrations, because they were in several major migrations during
the eighth and ninth century, many of them came to
Western Europe and to gain favor and to gain some
sort of sympathy. They claimed that they were fleeing from
Saracen persecution in Egypt. That is supposedly the conventional meaning

(02:08:29):
of the term Gypsy, although there are scholars who tend
to disagree on that. Because there are Romany who are
of course Spanish Romani, the Flamenco dancers. There are Romani
who are Eastern Europe. There are Romani who come from France, Italy,
you go to the British Isles, and there is a

(02:08:50):
great debate as to whether Romany are the same as
tinkers with a capital T, who are members of Pots
and Hands, and who do marvelous work with horses, as.

Speaker 4 (02:09:03):
In the Tinkers The Tinker's damn.

Speaker 6 (02:09:06):
Yes, Tinkers damp. But the the the general term is
they don't like the term gypsy because it had well,
it has aspersions I read I recently read a book
and they think and they're not certain because of course
the numbers are so ghastly that close to a million

(02:09:28):
Romany were killed during World War Two by the Nazis. Wow,
close to a million.

Speaker 4 (02:09:37):
This is so interesting. You know, for example, you have
the zingaro for Italian for a gypsy. There's a there's
a cake Spanish, it's called braano. It's like a gypsy arm.
When you gyp somebody, it's it's a it's a truncation

(02:09:59):
of gypsy.

Speaker 6 (02:10:00):
I find that the way the word in Spanish for gypsy.
Who might interest is he Donald?

Speaker 10 (02:10:05):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (02:10:05):
Yeah, right right, that's why I said, But Rush Donald
is the is the gypsy arm? Well that's why this
But but we don't know anything still really about them.

Speaker 6 (02:10:19):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (02:10:20):
I find them every now and then. I'll thank god
for YouTube. I could do a quick cut of a documentary.
They're the most interesting people there.

Speaker 6 (02:10:33):
Did you ever see the movie King of the Gypsies.

Speaker 4 (02:10:37):
I did not, but I've heard of it.

Speaker 6 (02:10:39):
It's a great and it's a great book because the author,
and I cannot remember his name right now, but he
wrote this book after having spent fifteen months with a
man who claimed to be the king of the Gypsies.
And the music, by the way, in that movie is
absolutely marvelous.

Speaker 4 (02:10:55):
It is well remember also Django Reinhardt and that because
he remember he lost his fingers in a caravan fire.
He was inside a it was either a campfire or
something where he lost his fingers. He played this and he,
by the way, that's his style. You can when you

(02:11:17):
hear that he and Stefan Gripelli put this style together.
And this gypsy music, it's it's Stephan Gropelli. He played
with two fingers on his left hand, just two thumb
and forefinger. It's and he was also a gypsy. But
here's my question, what what are they? What what is

(02:11:39):
such a they're in different countries. For example, you don't
ever hear of a Spanish Italian, or a Norwegian Italian
or a German Italian.

Speaker 1 (02:11:47):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (02:11:48):
You hear you might have a Norwegian who might have
some Italian in their background. But where precisely are the
Romani from? Of what are they? What would you call them?
Are they European? I mean, are they what?

Speaker 6 (02:12:05):
As I told you? As I told you, there are
in most people who have written, you know, wonderful books
on it, like Diane Tong who wrote who collected folk
tales from the Romany from different places, especially especially centered
on the British Isles and Ireland. But most Romani will

(02:12:27):
tell you that their ancestors came from northwestern the northwestern
frontier of India. I understand that Rojastan, which is a
state in northwestern India. Most of them, uh most. In fact,
there is a group from Rajasthan called Moussa Fear and

(02:12:48):
they play the traditional Romani music of Rajaisthan. And to
watch those dances, Linel, you think you're in heaven.

Speaker 4 (02:12:56):
Right, But what I'm what I'm saying, it's you don't
hear when you hear. I'm of an Italian from Italy,
I'm Spanish from Spain, I'm Japanese from Japan. I'm German
from Germany. This is what we normally think of. These
people are a sub directory, so to speak, of a

(02:13:19):
place and they're not really would you call them Indian?
When did they branch off and become Romani What was
it that distinguished them? Where did this did this.

Speaker 6 (02:13:31):
Branch Well, well, when they're when they're first of three
or four. Major migration has happened starting in the eighth
and ninth century in Western Europe. That's when they first
showed up in great numbers. Until then, they had been
making their way westward.

Speaker 4 (02:13:53):
Do you see perhaps I'm not explaining this well enough.
I don't know of any sub direct sub sub keep
saying subdirectory some some version of this. It's not It's
like a dialect of people. Anyway. I think they're the
most interesting.

Speaker 6 (02:14:13):
And we have a thing about a language. They have
a language. By the way, before I do go, because
I'm sure you have other calls, I should tell you
that tomorrow or Monday, I am off again. This time
I'm heading for the vastness of eastern Kentucky because I
am going to attend an annual music and humor festival

(02:14:36):
in Berea, Kentucky, and we are dedicating it to the
name of a to a man named Leonard Roberts. Leonard
Roberts was mister Kentucky folklore in every aspect. One of
his most interesting books of many that he wrote was
an illustrated history of the Hatfield McCoy feud in all

(02:14:58):
its in all of its gruesome, wild uh exuberances. If
you want to quarry, however, however we will be. We
will be dedicating the the next few days to Leonard
Roberts and music and song and dance, musical instruments, the fiddle.

(02:15:22):
There will be, and there will be. I have decided to.
In fact, I have been asked by friends down there
to participate in the Great Liars Contest, So you should
do quite well, well, I actually want it. Once by
telling a tall tale from Texas, which I won't go

(02:15:44):
into because it's much too long.

Speaker 5 (02:15:46):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (02:15:47):
Is it unfair to call it a liar? I mean
can like spinning yarns, and there's other different There's wonderful
euphemisms for basically the mendacious prevarication, know lying, mendacity.

Speaker 6 (02:16:03):
Well, well, like they call it a liar's context because
obviously the stories although people actually in some cases I
think I once told a story which everybody thought was
a uh, how do you call it? A mendacious man anecdote,
but it turned out to be rather, it wasn't apocryphal.

(02:16:28):
It just happened to be what I thought they would
enjoy hearing. And after it was over they came up
to me and said, now that wasn't really a lie,
was it. I said, you figure it out, and I
walked away.

Speaker 4 (02:16:40):
In there there was out you have you also noticed
in some I keep seeing sub director, I know what
I'm saying. In certain parts of humor, there was also
the notion of the exaggerate or not really. There was
a story of of of of the military unit, of
platoon or whatever, and there was this one fellow from Texas,

(02:17:04):
and everything was bigger in Texas. This is a rather
dated story. And everything was bigger in Texas, and they
were so sick of this. Whatever you showed them and say, well,
it's bigger in Texas. Everything's bigger in Texas. So one
day they got a galopogus turtle, those huge turtles, put
it in his bed, put the sheet over it. He
came home a little tipsy. He pulled back the sheet
and he says, what's this And somebody said it's a bedbug,

(02:17:27):
and he said, must be a young'un. Now at that time. Wait,
see this is I don't know what that's called. But
these these stories. I also try to tell people, if
you can explain a joke to somebody, do you understand
how you have to kind of do a lot of
calculation in your head. It makes you smarter if you

(02:17:51):
understand a joke. And I'm going to say somebody was
a lot of people take great umbrage. Women don't like jokes.
Women don't tell jokes. Women don't it's a male thing
to create these yarns, these prevarication. These you know, basically
it's perjury. You're just lying. But it's a story with
a wink at the end of it. Maybe it's a

(02:18:12):
pro I'll tell you this.

Speaker 6 (02:18:14):
I will tell you this line. I have gone to
places where the raunchy is stories and jokes are told
by the women. By the way, let me tell you
a very quick one, just to give you a chuckle.

Speaker 4 (02:18:25):
Is a raunchy joke, please please do no, no, not a.

Speaker 6 (02:18:28):
Raunchy joke, just a joke just to show you.

Speaker 11 (02:18:31):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (02:18:31):
There was a fellow who was always bragging in Texas
about how he how had a ranch that was so big.
And it says a bunk house had its own zip code,
and every time he went to mail a letter, he'd
have to pack a box lunch. And he then, he says,
standing up in its full five foot eight inches, he says,

(02:18:51):
why my ranch is so big? It takes me five
and a half days to get around it in my automobile.
And from across the room, a fellow for Mi Israel says, hey,
we have slow audimobiles like that, and Israel.

Speaker 4 (02:19:07):
Too, You have what I'm sorry, I'm misunderstand with you
have what?

Speaker 6 (02:19:12):
Oh? The fellow for Israel says, we have slow automobiles
like that.

Speaker 4 (02:19:17):
Yes too, yes, yes, yes, yes yes. Now I'm gonna
ask you why did you decide to pick on Israel?
You know, no, Semi, I can't.

Speaker 6 (02:19:29):
That's the way that.

Speaker 4 (02:19:31):
No, no, I can't, no, no, no, I understand that.
Because that is people are rather hyper exuberant with that
particular thing. Let me leave you with this. I don't
know who said this. It might have been Tom Wade's,
it might have been no coward. I don't know who
it was, but he said the definition of a gentleman
is somebody who can play the bagpipes but doesn't.

Speaker 6 (02:19:49):
Doesn't that's no cowards. Indeed, by the way, you know
what you know why bagpipe? You know why bagpipers always
mark around while they're playing their pipes. Don't you.

Speaker 4 (02:20:01):
To not be a sitting target?

Speaker 6 (02:20:03):
Yeah, exactly, exactly, it's much harder to hit a moving target.

Speaker 4 (02:20:07):
Well, one thing too, is, I believe it or not,
at the time of war the idea of inflating a bladder,
that they would be in the front line. And there's
nothing more frightening than to hear that sound when somebody
is coming over the mountain or whatever it is, and
they're bagpipers, and of course those are the first ones
to be hit.

Speaker 6 (02:20:27):
Because it was zero.

Speaker 4 (02:20:28):
So yes.

Speaker 6 (02:20:30):
But by the way, the Emperor Niro never played the
fiddle while Rome burned. However, some historians claim that he
was an expert on the tibia utricularis the Roman bagpipe.

Speaker 4 (02:20:45):
Listen, Robert, you have regaled us with arcana and I
appreciate it. Please call me again. Safe travels to you,
good friend. Our numbers eight hundred eighty four eight nine
two two to eight hundred eighty four eight nine two
two do This is another side of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 7 (02:21:03):

Speaker 4 (02:21:18):
Uh there is case. That's the way.

Speaker 1 (02:21:22):
Uh huh uh huh I like it. Uh huh uh huh.

Speaker 4 (02:21:32):
What a tremendous tality is or is the complexity, the depth,
the texture of the the songs so complicated. So labyrinthine
boogie a lot of boogies. And that's the way I
like it. Uh huh uh huh. Let's go back at

(02:21:55):
the moments, my friend, back to the fun Let's go
to a Let's go to let's go to tearing New Jersey. Terry,
you're on another side of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 16 (02:22:04):
Lionel, you are an intellect period. Robert from Manhattan is
Robert from Manhattan is one of the great storytellers that
interview you just oh my god, you hit him. But
like Nixon, it was Nixon Fostonian.

Speaker 4 (02:22:18):
The two of you is thank you, thank you, sir.

Speaker 13 (02:22:20):
The only thing he couldn't.

Speaker 16 (02:22:22):
Penetrate was the ethnic background of the Gypsies. I know
where you would come from? He couldn't answer, Like, they
came from India and they moved west towards Europe and
they obviously were mixing along the way. So they have
a lot of different backgrounds in them. And apparently they
don't like to be called gypsies anyway, everybody said it,
even the.

Speaker 6 (02:22:41):
Gym, but you don't.

Speaker 4 (02:22:42):
But but just for a second, you don't have people
who say, we started in Rome and we left, we
ended up in Pittsburgh and say, what do you mean
you left? Well, we left, you left, Yeah, you just
got up one and say I'm done with this. We're leaving,
We're migrating. But they're they're so it's such I wish

(02:23:07):
somewhere there's got to be for example, is there a
romany restaurant? Is there a Romany music? Or yeah, we
have gypsy music. But they're like the best kept secret.
I'm fascinated by them. And anyway, Terry proceedure.

Speaker 16 (02:23:20):
Like the version of the Garden State popway the Atilda
Hunt stomped or something.

Speaker 10 (02:23:27):
I don't think so.

Speaker 16 (02:23:27):
But they had sticky fingers. That area is like in
the air and also part of what it's called to
a Pakistan. And then they said, you know, you know,
you get you're traveling, you know, you meet the women
and stuff, and they had sticky fingers. That's what I
get thrown out of everywhere. But anyway, uh. I think
Line of America is China's version of Saturday Night Live,

(02:23:49):
even with you know, the Senate is saying what color
is your tie to the kiblarel? And what color is
the floor?

Speaker 5 (02:23:55):
And everything?

Speaker 16 (02:23:56):
I mean to me, I mean, was he really he
didn't impress me? Sing he's trying to sound like he's
being funny. He really tried to be funny and he's
putting on a theater. I think personally, from what I've
seen of all this, I know you can't suspend the
Fifth Amendment. I also know that possibly statute of limitations
have run out.

Speaker 13 (02:24:16):
On this, and they don't want a trial.

Speaker 16 (02:24:18):
They don't want a criminal trial because too much stuff
would come out, too many people would come out, and
if power brokes don't want that. So they just wanted
to get him on perjury. And he knew he had
the best, he had lawyers and stuff. Anybody listens, come.

Speaker 4 (02:24:31):
On what we're talking about. Founty obviously, and I agree
with him. I would advise him the same, absolutely the
same in terms of what he was looking at, because
it's not so much. Listen, if I bring you in
on Monday, I'm setting you up for perjury. I'm setting
you up. It's not that you've said something or you're

(02:24:53):
going to lie. But if you say two particular instances,
if you say two inconsistent statements on day one and
under oath, that's perjury. But the thing is Terry, who
told him what to do? Do you think he just
on his own was the manufacturer of all of this?
Do you think that he on his own contrived and

(02:25:15):
coordinated this lie? Do you think he did it?

Speaker 6 (02:25:19):
Of course not.

Speaker 4 (02:25:21):
We will never get to the bottom of this, my friend.
We will never get to the bottom of this, Terry,
I thank you so much. Please call me against her.
We will never get to the bottom of this whatsoever.
But the thing I wanted to say was, and this
is the most important, Please let us not ever put
into the realm of politics, medical fact, medical practice, medical

(02:25:47):
safety in the like. I understand there's a lot of
good people out there who have some very serious concerns
about mRNA, vaccines and the like, but please be very
careful when you discount the notion of immunization completely. It's
very very dangerous nature. Boy Bill Lee at the Helm,
thank you Jackson so much, Thank you, and thank you

(02:26:08):
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