Another Side of Midnight With Lionel - COVID-19 Conspiracy Theories and the Unites States Being a Surveillance State

On Todays Program on Other Side of Midnight With Lionel, as He Does Critiques Modern Society’s for Lack of Intellectual Curiosity and Historical Literacy. Lionel Argues About  How People Are Open Arm to Surveillance in Public. Then He Shifts Gears to Were He  Challenges Callers to Define Political Ideologies Like Communism. Ultimately Accusing the General Public of Relying on Uninformed Slogans and Confirmation Bias.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Li Loan and I know I know Lie Long, I
know I know Li Lo, I know Li.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Lo Lo Lie, I know my Lie and I know
Lie alone.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
I know nobody lined up with you. This is another
side of midnight. I was explaining to a friend of
mine what that meant, and I said, I'm not really sure,
but it's it's two in the morning and it's past midnight,
and I guess it's the other side. I'm not really

(00:50):
sure what it denotes. I think I think there might
be maybe perhaps the the hour or the time might
be that we were discussing something that's of a different nature,
a different a different perspective, a different focus, something that
cannot be normally heard during during normal hours when people

(01:13):
are paying attention, when people are are more serious. We'll, uh,
we'll wait till later for that. We'll we'll talk about
that later, not now. Get back with me after midnight
and then we'll we'll discuss it then. It's appropriate then,
but not now. I'm not really sure, but I think
I understand it. But I think I do. During the

(01:36):
course of this our great steward, a great steward, mister
William nature boy Lee, of course, who is who is
pushing buttons that no one can understand. Plays a series
of music too remind us that we're on the air.
It's very good to have that, you have. I work

(01:58):
with one fellow who did not play any music for
Bumper music, so you never knew if we were on
the air, off the air, it was. It was nerve wracking.
But but William always does a very good job to
let us know. And he always plays sometimes this version
of Marvin Gaye's What's going On? I thought, how perfect
that is? How perfect. Al Sharpton one time had a
had a radio show locally that three people listen to.

(02:24):
Most of them were on the show itself. It is
called He called it keeping it Real. I didn't even
know what that meant either, Keeping it real. Uh he
he thought it meant something. This is the show where
the late and not so great don Imus walked in
hat in hand and begged forgiveness from Al Sharp and

(02:47):
to allow him to continue his his his his apologia
apparently for saying that terrible Rutgers comment or something or
he had to go not to the families per se,
but to go to Al Sharpton. You went to Al Sharpton,
mister tough guy and ask for forgiveness, which was one

(03:08):
of the lowest moments in American history. But I like
that keeping it real. So I don't know what best
subscribes us. But I will tell you that if I
if I were to explain ideally what I would like
today's topic to be or the name of it, would

(03:30):
be scaring the hell out of you, because you know,
what I want to talk about is something that cannot
necessarily be corrected. Everything else can be corrected. You'll hear
people talk about Islamism and discourage of Islamism, or radical
left philosophy that could theoretically be corrected once you were to,

(03:51):
let's say, remove Islamists or remove you could theoretically remove
a radical leftist. I don't know how you would, but
you could if you wanted to. If you could, you
could remove them. But what I'm about to discuss you
cannot remove. It's here, and it was here under the
nose of the American people who frankly never understood it

(04:14):
and still don't. What am I talking about? Monday. I
believe Monday, a fellow by the name of Tucker Carlson
who was in the midst of perhaps constructing a third party.
He was a third party, and he is driving people
crazy because how dare he is a third party? I

(04:34):
suggest we need a second party because we don't have
a two party system. We have one party. We have
a uniparty, and we have some slight variations of differences.
But it's like Carol Quickly said in Tragedy and Hope,
we have two it's the illusion of the left right paradigm.

(04:55):
It's two sides of the same coin, diacoke, diapepsy, It's
basically the same. But he's going to have on. Tucker
Crosson has a fellow named Kim dot Com and I
don't know if you've heard of him, but he's very
difficult to understand, very difficult. This is Kim dot com
most most difficult to understand. And what's interesting about this

(05:18):
is that he has this accent.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Which is very difficult.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
But they spoke about something which is very very critical.
And what the Kim dot com interview with Tucker cross
and drives home and what we will hear is something
most Americans still struggle to comprehend. And this is very
simple that modern surveillance does not require kind of this
nineteen eighty four or wellthian dystopian model of somebody sitting

(05:47):
in a in a government building listening to your telephone calls.
That was the conversation. Remember that, Gene Hackman. It's a
great Coppola movie with the great John Khazal, one of
the great movie. Surveillance today is automated, interconnected, and is everywhere.

(06:10):
It is capable of reconstructing enormous portions of your life.
Your phone records connected to sell towers, apps collect information,
your car generates electronic data, credit cards, document purchases, search engines.

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Remember what interests you. Social media companies know who you
communicate with and what keeps your attention. And then cloud
services will preserve years, decades and decades of photographs, messages, documents,

(06:59):
personal history. Then consider flock cameras. Have you heard anybody
talk about that? Have you heard anybody discuss this as Oh,
this is a good one. Flock Safety's automated license plate
reader cameras are used by police departments, of course, and
the neighborhoods and businesses and other organizations around the country.

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And what they do is they photograph vehicles, they re
license plates and create searchable records that can help authorities
theoretically determine where a particular vehicle has traveled. One camera
may seem rather ronoculous. Thousands of interconnected cameras create something

(07:44):
so different, so frightening, A potentially beyond powerful map of
human movement. Yours. You're going to be on a twenty
four seven panopticon. This is, of course, this, this is

(08:06):
this wonderful idea of the economy. This this Malthusian benthamesque. You know,
this is where they will put the idea in a
prison to guard tower in the middle of a pod,
and then the prison would be circular, so you would
always be able to see all aspects of all of
the cells. You're in a panopticon. And let's say you

(08:31):
drove to a political rally, We went to a church,
went to a psychiatrist, a gun store, a divorce lawyer,
some lefty journalists home. None of those activities necessarily means
anything you know, sinister or wrong, whatever, But taken together,
I can use location information and can tell this incredibly

(08:53):
extraordinarily revealing story about you. And government, by the way,
doesn't necessarily have to collect every piece of information itself. No,
No private companies collect vast, vast quantities first, and then
authorities can then come along and they can obtain different
categories of data through warrants and subpoenas and court orders

(09:13):
and intel authorities. And the astonishing part of all this
is how little people seem to care. They just don't care.
It doesn't bother them. I and one of these people who,
for some reason, am not affected by coffee. I can
drink coffee before I go to bed. Coffee doesn't keep

(09:33):
me up, it doesn't. I don't know why it doesn't
affect me. That's how American people are. Doesn't bother them.
We trained privacy for convenience, one click at a time.
You want navigation, Oh, come on, GPS is fantastic, Come on?
Whatever is they go? Okay, okay? How about doorbell ring cameras?

(09:56):
Aren't they great? You can watch your home at all times?

Speaker 4 (10:01):
Come on?

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Isn't that facial recognition? Smart cars? Smartphones? By the way,
anytime it's either the word smart, run from it. Free
applications with an expression that says when the application is free,
you're the product. And people say I have nothing to
hide wrong question. Privacy is not about hiding wrongdoing. It's

(10:31):
about It's about maintaining your ability to live your life
without every movement becoming a permanent, searchable data point. We
are in the surveillance state, and the surveillance state didn't

(10:51):
necessarily arrive wearing you know Jack boots or you know
common communists. It arrived promise seeing convenience, it's gonna help us.
And what we do is we just click accept, accept, Accept.
We don't understand anything of it. And if you try

(11:14):
to explain this to them, it's something which is And
by the way, it goes back to a lot of
other things too. We're living in the world right now
and I think I'm probably saying this, maybe since the
beginning of time. Maybe it's the beginning of time people
have been saying this. So I'm not saying anything really new,

(11:34):
you know, fortunately or unfortunately whatever, But I'm probably saying this.
But it never ceases to amaze me how I hear
things that are just absolutely it blows my mind, absolutely
blows my mind. I heard something the other day and

(11:58):
it was on it I don't watch this channel, but
it was on a YouTube piece of somebody to put
together and it was from somebody on Fox News. I'm
not going to mention the name, not that it matters.
And this person, I would just say, had absolutely no
idea of what he was saying. None, absolutely none, But
it was a populist idea. It sounded great. And I've

(12:19):
heard this before. Don't ruffle the feathers of the audience.
Give them what they want to know, Say the things
that make the most sense, don't push it, don't force
your hand, just say what people want. And the question
came up the other day of children, and this is
a reference to what my wife normally does Lynd's Warriors

(12:43):
about children and their safety and their surveillance and the like.
And the notion was that was brought up was it's
the parent's fault. Have you heard this? It's up to
the parents, it's the parents responsible ability. And if I
thought to myself, how much did big tech pay this

(13:06):
jadrool to say this? And it's a popular it's a
popular concept, and so I don't I realize sometimes what
am I getting upset about? Why do you get God,
don't get upset, relax, take it easy, doesn't even understand
the issue. Here's one for you. I've completely given up

(13:28):
this one. If I hear one more person refer to Zoran, Mom, Donnie,
whose name nobody can pronounce it correctly. As a communist,
I'm gonna climb a bell tower. If you said, Donna,
say here's a pencil and paper, here's one thousand dollars,

(13:53):
define communism, get even close to it, and the money's yours.
Nobody could do it. Nobody. We say things, we think things,
we repeat things, and we love to pretend as though
and we're going to be talking about this, how the
idea of the collective. As long as you say things

(14:14):
that are repeated within members of the crew, members of
the tribe, you are happy. So let me just explain
some bit to you. This is going to be the
show about warning and a lot of this is I
hate to say it's too late because we were asleep
at the switch. But at least we know right now. See,
we always love to pretend that we care for a

(14:35):
little bit of a little bit of the time. Sometimes
we care about vaccines, sometimes we care about autism. Sometimes
you care about JFK or UFOs. And then we get
tired and we forget and we move on this. We
cannot move on over. Our number is eight hundred eight
four eight nine two to two two I would so
love to talk to you, especially our younger audience members

(14:59):
who share with me the dread of a dystopian society.
This is a lineul with you on Another Side of Midnight.

Speaker 5 (15:08):
The Other Side of Midnight with Vinyl on the Red
Apple Podcast Network.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
One of the most amazingly fascinating song stories in the
history of American history. This was This is, of course
Louis Louis by the Kingsmen, by the Way, our own
nature boy Bill Lee, this knows the words to this.
This was considered one of the most filthy songs that

(15:53):
nobody understood. Absolutely nobody understood. They just thought for reasons,
I don't know, they just thought it was obscene. At
least we cared in those days. At least today it's
another story. We just we just don't care. We are

(16:14):
dare I say that word is insussient. We're like, eh,
waddy enough lady, and there, come on, what are you
gonna do? That never is eight hundred eight four eight
nine two two two. I have a lot to discuss,
but right off the bat, I must tell you I
love when before as I begin, before I've said anything,
before I dare I say crack the mic? Someone will

(16:36):
call in with a question, and I thought, that's interesting.
They don't even know what I'm gonna talk about, and
it doesn't matter. For example, why Japan entered World War Two.
This is Dave in Pennsylvania. He worries about this. Hello, Dave,
you're on the other side of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 6 (16:58):
Why I'm going to be served Paris, New York mess.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Day on behalf of the grateful nation. Thank you so much, Jackson.
That is the sound that I want you to commit
to your memory bank. I would rather lick a hospital mop.
I would rather lick a belt center. I would rather
drink bleach than listen to this seemingly discontinuous rantings of

(17:29):
a man that I thought had gone away, but it
was not. I'm very very open about people are always
entitled to their opinion. But this fellow, he just wants
to commandeer the show, and I think he might want
to call others as well. Jay in New Jersey, Jay,
you're on another side of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 7 (17:48):
Yeah, lie in a lot. As far as the definition
of communism, I think it's the religion of the malcontent,
the religion of destruction. It's trying to destroy any society,
and it cobbles together any kind of man, not.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Even close, not even with all due respect, with all
due respect, with all due respect. When people have felt
it was an economic theory, you're viewing this. See, it's
like when they talk about capitalism as as that and
we say that's ridiculous. How is it defined.

Speaker 7 (18:24):
It's defined by the people that they get together, anybody
who has a grievance against a certain group or class,
and they and they care to their their their grievances
and channel it towards destroying and building their own vision
of a utopia, not.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Even not even remotely close, not even within, not even
in the ballpark. Let's try again, what is communism? You're
on your your there's an exam, and you want to
get an a and we're saying, no, listen, don't give
us your opinion. Tell us what it is, what it's
supposed to be theoretically. Let's try one more time. What

(19:02):
is it?

Speaker 7 (19:04):
It's a religion, that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
It's no, it's not even a religion. Now that's three times. Now,
Now have you given this any thought?

Speaker 7 (19:10):
My dear friend, this is this is yeah, I've giving
him a lot of thought. I've read a law, and.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
I've read a lot, and you've read somebody, and you've
read suggest somebody's sayings. And by the way, I am.
I am absolutely in no wise interested in living in
a communist society. But I do know things about cancer.
I don't I don't want to get cancer either, but
I know what it is. So I don't you read

(19:36):
somebody say that communism is a religion.

Speaker 7 (19:41):
Yeah, well, communism isn't just a bit economics. It's not
about anything. Communism is really That's why you see the
people that are pro Palestine coming along with the people
that are you know, anti pro abortion, and you think this.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
You think this, wait wait, wait wait Communism Palestine, pro abortion,
commune work with me is a political right and an economic,
very important ideology that seeks what what does this seek?
A classless society which no, no, no, no, no, this

(20:20):
is no you're not you're not even Oh my god.
It seeks in which the major means of production. This
is what it is, such as you know, factories and
land and natural resources are owned collectively rather than privately.
This is the first sentence before we get to totalitarian

(20:44):
and Palestine. And this is before any of this stuff.
Then there's Marxist theory. What is that in? In Marxist theory,
communism is supposed to emerge after capitalism and socialism, and
then private ownership of of you know, property disappears, economic
classes disappear, and eventually the state is supposed to kind

(21:07):
of wither away. So it's just it takes over. So
I if you want to, if you want to just
say that about a particular group of people that are wrong,
just say it, but don't call it communism, just like
if you were to call it, you know, an arco syndicalism.

(21:28):
It's also not that it might be wrong, but it's
the wrong name.

Speaker 7 (21:34):
Lestism is communism line or it's the same thing.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
No, it's not. Listen listen Jay, Jay, Listen Jay. I
appreciate this. Call me again, my friend, listen. I appreciate this.
And if and if you like this stuff, I am.
If you want to talk about how we are to
avoid communism and why it's very scary, yes, but not
that we have to stop with bumpers, sticker, playbook, cookie cutter, echo,

(22:04):
chamber drivel. It doesn't help. It makes a sound. What's
the word stupid and anybody listening to that says, it's
kind of know what he's talking about. He doesn't know
what he's talking about. It's just it's it's like I
remember one time we were talking for some reason, I
don't know why. The subject, interestingly enough, was cancer, and

(22:28):
people on a show called him and says a sugar
caused his cancer. And they just started making this a what, well,
I know it's good for you, sugar, sugar is cancer.
I mean, they just it was a kind of a
cobbled together thing. I don't believe in how do I
say this, I don't believe in putting together sloganeering as

(22:51):
a as a kind of a political discourse. That's the worst.
It's absolutely the worst, because what it is is it
shows the world you don't know what you're talking about.
It doesn't mean we disagree with it. With the big picture.
I talk to people all the time Christians who've never
not read the Bible as they claim they have, which

(23:14):
they never have, but they claim. But the study of it,
the problems, the confusion, the issues, the the you know,
there's just no study. We live in this drive by,
double parked world where we love to say listen, I
don't have time. But let me put on my lapel pen.

(23:36):
My lapel pen will tell you who I am. What
I wear around my neck will tell you who I am.
I don't have to explain anything to you. I spend
so much time listening to people actual communists today or
people who claim to be. And there's this idea where

(23:57):
people use a word left and oh, by the way,
say people who use the word right wing, and I'm thinking,
what is right wing about this? Well, he's a right
he's a white supremacist. What does that mean? They're went
to the sloganeer ring as well. You see this is
something which again you may love this. I despise it.

(24:20):
It is so anti intellectual, it is so wrong. Let
me give you an example of what we do. This
is important. This might be a bigger problem the human
behavior that we have is how do I say this?
It's much easier to understand if you learn the names
of a couple of concepts that I don't know if

(24:40):
it's psychologists or political theoreticians have comfortable with this. But
you've heard of this before, and if you've paid any attention,
let me give you a couple of these and this
might help the first one that's very popular today. Have
you ever heard of the Dunning Krueger effect. I'm sure
you have their phrases with you sometimes like over the

(25:02):
window and uh comes razor. Well, the Dunning Kruger effect.
This is famous and it means this. People with limited
knowledge or limited ability in an area may in fact

(25:22):
dramatically overestimate their competence because they lack enough expertise to
recognize they don't know what the hell they're talking about. Ironically,
this is interesting. Genuinely knowledgeable people are often more conscious
of everything that they don't know. Take that last caller.

(25:45):
People with limited knowledge, let me say this, this is
the Dunning Kruger effect. People with limited knowledge or the
ability in it. Let's say a particular area dramatically overestimate
their competence in a particular area because they lack enough
expertise or knowledge to know they don't know what the

(26:05):
hell they're talking about. Does that make sense. It's phenomenal
that in order for you to be most people who
when you get involved with something, you realize, oh, that's
a that's a complex issue. Well that's not the way
it is. See, you'll meet some people and sometimes they're
experts in radio programming, or they are experts in diet

(26:27):
and you realize they don't know what they're talking about.
And the reason why you know they don't know what
they're talking about is that you know about the subject.
In order to understand something, you realize the complexity of it.
I get it all the time. Constitutional issues, legal issues, data, communism,
that's my favorite. Where this came from. You know, when
I was in school, we had this class called Problems

(26:53):
in American Democracy. I think you might have called it civics,
but we really had to spend time differentiating these ideas.
And you can call people a lot of things. Let
me give you an example. Let me give you an example.
What the real word, the real term, by the way
that a lot of people recognize that Mom, Donnie and

(27:13):
others are trying to apply, is a welfare state. Whereas
what they will do is they will just give you
things where you don't have to pay back, We don't
have to worry about where it comes from. He doesn't
want to grab private ownership, private capital. He wants to
make it very difficult for people, that's for sure, But

(27:33):
he in no way is following anything even remotely similar
to what we would call communism. It's it's absolutely it's ridiculous.
Let me also say something about this what we do
in this country. If I could have Lionel's law. Lionel's
law or my doctrine is listen to your political adversary,

(27:54):
Listen to them. Listen. Everybody listens to people they agree with.
Television shows, radio shows, media shows are about people who
agree with the same thing. And you live in this
kind of like this echo chamber, or you repeat what
everybody agrees, and after all you say, well it makes
sense to me, talk to somebody who disagrees, listen to them.

(28:16):
The story right now, which is the most fascinating of
them all, which is so I follow this assiduously, dear friend,
and that is this idea of the WNBA and how
people are suggesting for the first time, I don't know
why that men can theoretically compete they can compete in

(28:44):
women's basketball. So what happens is recently two hulking actual
men have theoretically wink wink suggested that they identify as women,
and they are coming out. One is six'. Ten you.
Know the fellow's blessing is, freedom and there's another one
six' ten two hundred and, fifty pounds absolute. Beard men but, they're, saying,

(29:09):
NO no i identify as a WOMAN and i want
to JOIN. The wnba and by their, own reckoning the
people who RUN the NBA, or wnba now, they say
what do? WE do, i say, excuse me you just made.
A policy these individuals are taking you up. On it no.
They're not, that's, no that's what. You said so it's.

(29:32):
It's now do most people care? About this not really
do most quote leftists. Believe, that, no, no, no no not.
At all, some do. But some but it's it's in the.
News today why isn't in the? News today first, of
all the news does such. A disservice the news fills

(29:56):
you with. Junk food they love to. Do anything these
a regular sock puppet, media types people who are proxy,
sock puppets people who are in the, mainstream media institutional.
Heritage media they're dying on. The vine they're doing everything
in their power to make sure that they just keep

(30:17):
going or keep aware of whatever. It is so they
will come up with anything to keep this story in.
The offing why because it, gets clicks it, Gets eyes
because it's. So outrageous it's. So ridiculous this thug warfare
that's going on IN the wnba has something to do
with really providing the news. For you it's just something
they think will get. Your attention is that the? Most,

(30:40):
important no the world is teetering. On collapse you. Cannot
imagine that's not fun and that's. Too complicated you want
something that can be covered in a minute to a
minute and. A half that is, so obvious it gets
a visceral, response immediately and it's easy. To understand low.

(31:03):
Hanging fruit you know the rest of. The routine let's
go To uh Anthony, Or anthony i'm. Not Sure On,
long island you're on another side of Midnight. With lionel.

Speaker 8 (31:15):
Thank you you could call me our. J you it
just doesn't have to Call, Me johnson no, a Line.
Professor lionel let me just.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
SAY this i was. Just kidding you have a you
were born women with an ability to wax comedic that is.
So dangerous please don't ever abuse this power. Of yours,
thank you, go, Ahead sir Thank.

Speaker 8 (31:37):
You LIONEL and i would just like to thank you
for being patient with all your call all better understand
where we find ourselves on this.

Speaker 9 (31:46):
Very day, YOU know i don't.

Speaker 8 (31:48):
Know who, said IT but i think it's deep somebody
than it is to convince someone that they're. Being deceived, that,
yes yes now another venue. Or thought i've been thinking
about this a, long TIME and i would ask you
that did just think about, it yourself perhaps hold it
up to the light. Of day we don't have to

(32:09):
discuss it tonight two with Perhaps what. I'm Saying But
Thrano's Elizabeth. Holmes toranos she came out with this blood,
testing thing her born. Of directors.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Uh Is this there's something with. THIS phone i do.
NOT understand i think it's. Your phone you might there's
something wrong with.

Speaker 8 (32:34):
Your, phone, yes yes it's it's it's a, BAD connection, i.
Suppose sir, i'm.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Sorry indeed BECAUSE you're i don't hear half of what.
You're saying but What About Elizabeth, Holmes, sir yes it's.

Speaker 8 (32:46):
It's like all. BLOGGED out i hear, It too it's
like an echo in. Our, Conversation well.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
I'm not it's just all of a sudden you will
just will lose chunks of what. You're, saying anyway What
about Faranhos And, elizabeth holmes What.

Speaker 8 (32:58):
About, it's like break it. UP horribly i can't even
make out what.

Speaker 10 (33:02):
You're.

Speaker 8 (33:02):
Saying sir you know what when.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
You, do this call, me back tell. Me why let's
try and give me, a callback or try another, another,
angle another another chance, at this rather than us trying
to dissect the particular cause. Of this tom In, the
bronx you're on another side of midnight with. A, LINEL well,
i know how.

Speaker 11 (33:22):
ARE you i thought i'd give you some inside information
from a relationship With a RUSSIAN woman i had for.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Many years and the inside information what is? Inside age
what does?

Speaker 11 (33:35):
That, mean well it's PERSONAL that i was able to
pick up from years of knowing. THIS woman i asked
her once about nine to, one one do you? Have it, she,
says dah she paus and, she says sometimes they, show
up sometimes. They don't if you Listen To Radio, free
europe everybody snitched. On everybody her father would go into a,

(33:57):
dark room pull the, shades down close, the door hold
the radio up to his ear and listen to the
the Broadcast Or Radio. Free europe and that. Wasn't allowed if.
Anyone heard there was. Constant fear everybody there and as,
a result they're all a bunch. Of drunks they, all
drink they all let.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Me something are we trying? To say? Is this is
THIS a i don't want to? Say rusophobic is this
a an attempt to Say about russia or communism or?
Social communism what are the?

Speaker 11 (34:29):
People of?

Speaker 6 (34:29):
Good people it's?

Speaker 11 (34:30):
The government, and.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Okay are, you? There sir?

Speaker 12 (34:38):
Kill?

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Them okay and so and listen.

Speaker 8 (34:44):
To that they.

Speaker 11 (34:44):
Had buildings they are Built. Under kushchev They called.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Kushchev, houses okay once You tom or wants you to be.
A favorite we all know this and. It's true standing
in line for? Toilet paper whatever? It is what way worse?

Speaker 10 (34:58):
Than?

Speaker 1 (34:59):
That, okay wait what? Is thing let me try. This
again listen to, me, Careful SIR and i, ask you
what is the thesis? Behind this what is? Your point
is this? To show is this a communist station a
point or How bad? Russia was or what is the purpose?

Speaker 11 (35:16):
Of this this point dictatorship saw and whenever dictatorshiping it
we had we should put them into.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
The, graves women do you think that what you're talking
about is? A? Dictatorship, yes okay? Not communists? Did?

Speaker 11 (35:33):
You? Hey well?

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Not.

Speaker 11 (35:36):
Not communist, all, right communism and it's like, you said,
you know it's a it's a government. Collectively owned there's no,
social class which is crap because the people that, run everything.

Speaker 6 (35:49):
They they are.

Speaker 12 (35:50):
The elites uh they this.

Speaker 11 (35:53):
Collectivity crap no one wants to. WORK hard i had
been privileged to meet a man that was From The.
Borough ponds he was a SCIENTIST and i Worked at.
Rita's digest he gave a lecture and he said that in,
his country if people, don't work your name goes on.
A list they, come around they knock on. Your, door

(36:13):
yuri why you don't come? To work the guy was
a nudge and this people the husbands and wives don't
work in the. Same company they have to work at.
Separate companies they get separate vacations for fear that if
they go away as a couple they won't. Come back
it is.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Okay again need to. DO this I know i'm not suggesting.
That anything but, for example if we've had dictators, and
fascists and nationally We've had Mussolini and Hitler and franco
and these are, Non, Communists, Uh, pinochet suarto just go down.

(36:51):
The list these aren't these aren't Communists the Shah Theocratic.
SADDAM hussein, i mean we can go down the list.
So Again and I'm and i'm not trying to, act
dents but my, question is what is the point. Of
this what you're saying, is true, it's terrible and there

(37:14):
have been cases of just Abject poverty haiti and you
know other places. As, well well you're.

Speaker 11 (37:22):
In the government in politics today that? Admire communism who?

Speaker 8 (37:28):
Is?

Speaker 6 (37:28):
That who There were there's.

Speaker 11 (37:30):
Some idiots There. In michigan what's? His name.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Do You Think elsa ed is? A?

Speaker 11 (37:37):
Communist there, he, goes yeah He had wait wait.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Wait wait wait wait wait wait he's. A.

Speaker 8 (37:42):
Communist, no no he.

Speaker 11 (37:44):
Admires communism might.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Have you heard him say He had wait wait, wait stop.

Speaker 11 (37:49):
You're just talking about you're just.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Speeling it wait. A minute you're saying that he. Admires
communism i've never heard.

Speaker 11 (37:56):
That ever he admires, the leaders He, Admires no thanks, Very.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Much tom have a, good. Day, sir listen do me.
A Favor and i'm not trying To be i'm not
trying to, be rude, of COURSE but i just CAN'T
and i cannot have people left right middle, even communists
if we could ever find him a call up who
just spews bumper. Sticker talk, it's like you're almost they're

(38:26):
not really Sort of i'm.

Speaker 12 (38:28):
Not sure.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
What people. Are doing they know nothing about what happened
WITH his. Lsi ed they don't know what. He's saying they,
don't understand and they don't want. To know do you
want to understand politics or do you want to sit
back and just complain until it kind of, corrects itself
if that makes any sense. To, you see this is

(38:54):
a problem that we have and we Love to this.
Is sloganeering we just say. These things it's like this isn't.
Helping anything we're not getting to the bottom. Of this
it's like when when people have you ever heard about,
people say, you know when we, were kids we were
we used to ride our bikes and kids were not,
as obese and, you, GO yeah i, like that and

(39:16):
we just. Repeat this, it's like that's really, not that
that's part, of it but not. Even, close YEAH but
i like. That story i'm going to repeat. That one
let's Go to anthony who was calling. Back again you're
on another Side of Midnight. With lionel.

Speaker 8 (39:33):
Thank you for accepting. My call so THE point i
was trying, to make AND like, I said i, don't know,
you know this is a conspiracy theory totally on. My
part but we're dealing with a corporatetocracy that rules, by
emergency whereby they're they're facilitating all this this discontent in
our society on purpose with regard to profit cheering. And

(39:54):
faucis give an example an example. Of, that well they
create a virus and then release it on the world
and tell you, the fix and they never stop for.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
A second stop for, A second hold on, a second,
hold on hold on for. A second are you suggesting
are you telling me make sure that we understand THIS
that covid was created artificially by either Corporation or china
or some other country artificially the. Old plandemic is that what, You're, saying.

Speaker 8 (40:23):
Well Yes well i'm GOING like, i said this is a.
Conspiracy theory are, you, saying, wait, wait, wait wait stop for.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
A second it's not a conspiracy, Per se it's. A
theory So what i'm asking, you is what is the
basis for your? Saying this tell me.

Speaker 8 (40:38):
Your, SOURCES well I know mRNA was highly invested in With.
HEDGE fund I, mean juliad the company that was behind
a lot. Of it it was in twenty ten that
they would dump in billions of dollars INTO the. mRNA
technology so.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Let me stop you for, a second, Against sir i'm
not trying to. Be rude OR if urna was something which,
was developed how does that necessarily MEAN that covid was
either manufactured or deliberately spread EVEN though mRNA investores would benefit.

(41:17):
From it make, the, connection.

Speaker 8 (41:21):
Well warp speed overnight to create a miracle cure for
something That, was.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Okay let me try this. Again again i'm not trying to,
be rude, you said and you correct Me if. I'm
wrong you said that you believe that the whole NOTION
of covid AND stars, covid two that this pan or
pandemic was, created artificially artificially in order to EITHER, sell

(41:48):
mRNA and then you bring up. Warp, speed now people,
can profiteer people, can profit people can work Concommonly with
whenever there are, crime waves gun sales, go up but
the gun manufacturers didn't cause. The crime this has cause.
And effect this is correlation. Versus cause again for the
third or, fourth time what is your evidence that the

(42:10):
that the THE the covid itself was, deliberately, planned promulgated
produced in order to to, to spread not not that
people benefited. From it the, mask company the adhesive, strip
company they they. Made money what is your evidence of? The,
plans well just.

Speaker 8 (42:32):
You look at where we Are and fauci having to
take the fifth over one. Hundred times let me try,
this again to try.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
This again let me try this. Again again you're not answering.
My question do you know why he took? The fifth
do you know why he took? The fifth would you
have taken? The fifth would you have advised him to take?
THE fifth i, Would absolutely this is His fifth amendment
right Under. The constitution, last time let me try. That

(42:58):
again you. Don't understand again and, Again, listen anthony thank you.
So much please call. Me again do you hear where?
We are and it's very interesting and it's not to,
be mean but people will just, say, things well, there's
this well you know he. Wanted, it okay does this
prove he started off with the IDEA that covid and by,
the way it could very well be and it's a

(43:19):
hypothesis that is not at all. Far fetched but what
is your evidence? Of, it well, you know people. Made
money it'll build gates and we're gonna. Throw gates this
his Name and fauci did this and warp speed and cause.
And effect this reminds me of the people Who Comment

(43:41):
and i'm not going to do this with YOU because
i wouldn't dare put you. Through this But The tyler robinson,
sham trial that IS just, i mean you cannot believe
what's happening there and how people are forcing this cause
and effect kind of. A jumbling i believe in very.

(44:02):
SIMPLY this i have a lot, OF suspicions i have
a lot. OF concerns i have a LOT of i
don't know the beliefs. And proof. Different Story The Great
daniel patrick moynihan, once said everybody should committed. To memory
you're entitled to your own your own beliefs, and opinions
but not your. Own facts and the two are. Completely

(44:25):
different This is linel with You on another Side.

Speaker 5 (44:28):
Of Midnight the other Side of Midnight with linel On
The Red Apple. Podcast network.

Speaker 9 (44:51):
All right in, MY.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Friends i number eight hundred eighty four eight nine two
two two eight hundred eighty four eight nine two. TWO
two i, don't know maybe maybe maybe you don't want to,
hear This maybe i'm addressing this the, Wrong WAY but
i think the complexity of things are far more interesting

(45:15):
than just saying, the well WHAT am i trying? To
say just. The rote let me give you an example
of something. Years ago one of the most, interesting stories
interesting plans ever that happened was folks who involved themselves
in what was Called the, southern solution this so other strategy,

(45:38):
excuse me And this southern strategy was a way in
which are a ways by means of Which The republican
party at, the time not doing what it is as,
of late reached out To strom thurman and others and
tried to bring people in under the tent or in

(45:58):
the tent who for the, longest time were found to
be wanting or to be dissatisfied with the. Democratic, machine
now if you sat back and looked, at this a
lot of the as you, would say lefties at, The,
time ah this is an example of the the right

(46:20):
wing there a Bunch of nazis, is like wait, a
minute that's not. What happened it's more complicated. Than, that
yeah but that takes too. Much time for me. To
speak i'm just gonna say it. This way the Right
wing republicans they're fascists And they're nazis and. They're racists again, no, no, no,
no no that's not. What happened well that'll do. FOR
me i don't have time to get into this. Complexity

(46:43):
stuff critical thinking is a way that is. MISSED completely
i was saying throughout The Entire mom donnie case to
friends and everybody that can know to, no avail listen
to what. He's saying listen to what people. Are saying,

(47:03):
you know in every other in every, other business if
you own a store or, a restaurant you always ask
people what do? You think how did? We do can we?
Get you how would you rate, our service our? Food
quality we always, Do this but when it comes to the,
political message we. Never do. We don't we think that
politics is, just look, we're right and either you go

(47:26):
along with us, or not and if, you don't you're.
A Communist and i'm thinking, about, it like oh. My
god and the best part IS that I know i
know a COUPLE of i know. SOME socialists i Know
ONE marxist i know who's Openly, a MARXIST and i
know a guy who might be a communist or theoretically
is part of. The party he says. He's not but

(47:46):
and all of them take great umbrage at At, mom
dannie because he's not even close to being. A socialist
it's not he's. Not there? Democratic socialist is this Watered
Down Scandinavian bernie sanders works terrific, in little tiny. Little

(48:07):
countries it's a story that if you wanted to, break
down it makes. No sense it also pretends to be
a lot of things that's not. Coming up self deception
and the collective hypnosis that we're putting ourselves in when
it comes to not, just politics but how we process information.
And theory this is going to be a, great tutorial.

(48:30):
My friends Listen Carefully on another Side of Midnight With
me lionel hour number two. Coming up Stay Tuned.

Speaker 5 (48:58):
The other side Of mid Night with linel On The
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Know already line over, with you hour number two Of
this Thing. Of Ours on another side of a night
eight hundred and eight four eight nine two two two,
last hour, someone said you know, this, guy founcy he
Takes The? Fifth amendment do you know what HAPPENS when
i hear people, Say that do you do you know

(49:56):
what what happens to? MY soul, i said you mean
to tell me somebody dares to avail himself Of. THE
constitution i think, somebody said you know that, nature, boy
billy he Took The? First, amendment, well, yeah yeah but
what does he have? To hide what we are, so bereft,

(50:19):
so absence so naked A fundamental american constitutional rights that
we say he Took The? Fifth amendment what do you
Think The fifth amendment was?

Speaker 10 (50:33):
There for.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
SOMEWHERE in i guess. Constitutional Heaven. Jefferson madison, they're, screaming
like what are you? Talking, about yeah but that's that.
Faucy guy this is exactly what it's. There for if somebody,
called you and let's assume you were born after nineteen,

(50:57):
sixty three and said they were you to appear in
a grand jury to testify regarding what you know ABOUT the,
Jfk assassination i'd say Take the fifth because they're setting.
You up they bring you in a, day one they
bring you on the, day two they bring you in on,
day three and if your, testimony varies. That's perjury you're being.

(51:18):
Set up this is what. It's about, but, no, no, no, no,
no people people don't know what you're. Talking about what
are you? Talking about this is this is the part
that just blows. MY mind i heard somebody say the
other day That. Will, russia no they Mentioned No soviet

(51:41):
soviet what are you? Talking about they were living in.
The past THEY, said KGB. It's fsb this hasn't BEEN a. Kgb. Either,
Wow whatever and that sort of thing, is, like, wow.
Whatever whatever we, don't know you KNOW what. I, MEAN
no i doesn't. Wish me well. They're communists no. They're,

(52:01):
not no, they're, not well are they are? They? Socialists,
No no russia again because Everybody, in russia We. Hate
russia they're this semi they're defined kind of as a,
semi federal semi presidential republic state influence. Market economy they

(52:24):
call it. Oligarchic capitalism but.

Speaker 8 (52:27):
It's not.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
It's not and these words mean something and we can't
and we, don't care we don't care. About anything we're
so because it ruins HOW do i, Say this it ruins,
The storyline it ruins what we. Believe in, YOU know
i mentioned, it Before This dunning, kruger effect which is,

(52:52):
So terrific, which means and again This is i'm sure you've.
Heard it you have to have, heard it is that
people with limited knowledge or ability in some particular, area
dramatically dramatically overestimate their competence because they don't have the
expertise enough to know that they don't know what the
hell they're. Talking about there's something also called. Confirmation bias

(53:15):
you hear it a loud on. Cable news this is where,
we notice we notice information supporting what we, already believe
while discounting evidence that. Challenges us see one of the
great Things That roger, ails did who was, A genius
he created THE notion, i created but emphasize the notion of,
narrow casting and narrow casting is. Not Broadcasting narrow casting

(53:40):
is the ability to focus in on a particular prism
or a particular framework of information or knowledge that comports
or sticks or agrees with. Your worldview not everybody that
doesn't give you conflicting doesn't tell you you Know where

(54:02):
trump's not doing a. Good job, no, no no, no no it's
where he's doing a. Great job THAT'S what i want.
To hear that's. Confirmation bias then we have this beauty.
Cognitive dissonance this is where we feel this kind of like,
this unease, you know when we have facts that collide with.
Our beliefs we don't, like this and instead of changing

(54:24):
the belief and doing, more research we just, invent explanations
or we, just excluded or we don't. Pay attention this
is what. We do this is critical to. Understand this
here's one and this also has this is kind of
a fancy, schmancy title but. Not really it's called the
fundamental attribution. Error process, it means how do we say

(54:47):
this when we explain that somebody else's behavior as a
character defect while explaining our own identity behavior. THROUGH circumstances,
i mean, he's RECKLESS but i was in. A hurry,
you well he, did this but my. Mind's different these

(55:10):
are things that we do at levels that are, so
fascinating absolutely. So FASCINATING and i mean this this is
the part which, is oh here, we go ready.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
For this.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
The names don't let the names. Fool you this is
called the. Availability, HEURISTIC now i know it, sounds like
what does?

Speaker 6 (55:31):
That mean.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
This, makes, dramatic terrible memorable events seem more common than they.
Actually are, for example if there's one, airplane crash it
can feel more threatening than thousands of ordinary. Automobile deaths
see nobody ever cares about little, things like, for EXAMPLE,

(55:58):
during covid during. What whatever the number one cause of
death In The, united states if you had to attribute,
to anything is cardiovascular. Heart attack and the majority, of
these the majority has something to do with anything that's
pre ordering. Or genetic, is lifestyle lifestyle and lipid levels
and all this other kind. Of jennets nobody wants to
think that. That's boring they wanted to GO, for covid

(56:21):
or they wanted to go. For, cancer no it's, heart attack,
heart attack and nobody ever. Wants you you can talk
about heart attack, heart attack but don't talk. About diet
and if you really want to, see, something oh you're
going to love. This one try this on, for size do.

(56:42):
SOME research, I know i tell people, that's Okay and i'll.
Do this one of my favorite kind, of fallacies so,
to speak is how we in this country love. Olive
oil we love it we put it, on anything on.
Corn flakes we's it's, so healthy it's, heart smart it's a.

(57:09):
Good fat it's a. Monosaturated fact it's it's extra virgin
and and And the greek People are. Italian people they
live to be one hundred because they pour olive oil
on top. Of things and we create. These things and
we used to go to restaurants and they used to
bring you a plate, of butter and now they bring
you olive oil with a couple of herbs. Sprinkled in

(57:33):
it's one hundred. Percent fat, one yeah but it's a.
Good fat what are you? Talking about and people will,
say this and they will, get well you Know the
harvard this and they talk About the mediterranean diet and
if you saw the. COUNTERVAILING evidence i used to Think

(57:55):
that bertoli lobby must be. The greatest i'm not saying
don't eat olive oil or to. Kill you i'm not.
Saying that but people have. This idea and then it's
so interesting when, you, say well you know the amount, of,
Fat Well. I'M italian i don't even know what that

(58:15):
has to do. With anything people can't even critically think. Or,
argue see this is where we are in. Our country
we come up with things to create the reality that,
we want and there is nothing that we hate more
than to have our worldview destroyed by some smart ass
who comes along, and, says no that's, Not true no

(58:37):
that's not that's. Not communism they don't, want that they don't.
Want that and instead of running, and, saying okay let
me look. At this, oh, no, no, no, no no oh.
No no this IS what. I heard this is. My
worldview this IS what i think you should have heard

(58:57):
this conversation the. Other day everybody loves. Their, Religion, EVERYBODY
oh i. Love this I'm. A, Catholic really I'm, a,
catholic OKAY and i, you know went to. Barochial school
i'm kind of A retired CATHOLIC because i don't Go,
TO mass i don't Do The holy Days. Of obligation

(59:18):
that's Not. A catholic that's SOMEBODY who's, i guess. A
theoretical that's like Me saying I'm, theoretically french EVEN though
i Don't speak french And, to France But i'm french
in my. OWN mind i just create this THING that's
i did you do? This, Here Well. I'm irish what are, Your,
name well My. Name's callahan can You? Speak? Gaelic no
have you Been?

Speaker 13 (59:36):
To?

Speaker 1 (59:37):
Ireland No But. I'm irish we just. Say THINGS so
i talked to this sort. OF friend, i said what
Does a catholic person believe That a protestant? Person doesn't
what Makes? You catholic now this is a person who
was bragging. About, it well you know It's. A catholic,

(59:58):
AND well i Went to. Catholic, school, no, NO no
i went To a jesuit high School and i'd say
maybe thirty percent of my Class. Was jewish so they
Were not catholic and They were so what? Is it
they couldn't answer, the question couldn't answer, the question the, most, fundamental,

(01:00:24):
Absolute critical what does? This mean? No IDEA if i
hear one more person say we're, A democracy i'm going,
To scream we're not, a democracy never were. A democracy
we have no idea what we're. Talking about when people
talk about abortion and the constitution and substantive due process,

(01:00:46):
and ninoscalia they have no idea what they're. Talking About
and i'm, never EVER and, i suggest never discuss foreign
policy with anybody who was a slave to. Cable news
if you do you're taking your life in your own
hands because they know, the least, the least because we're

(01:01:08):
a country that doesn't even have we don't even have
geography in. SCHOOL anymore i gotta tell you. This story,
AND again i know a lot, of PEOPLE and I
know I sometimes i can be a pain in the
ASS because i, just think if you're going to bring,
something up you at least owe me the duty of

(01:01:29):
knowing what you're. Talking about so somebody was, like, about yeah,
you know we got the problem there with the straight of.
HORROR moves, i said, VERY interesting, i said what is?
The strait who? Owns it where? Is it what's so important? About?
IT oil i. Know That and i've got another friend
of mine who all he cares about the only thing

(01:01:49):
in the world is the price. Of oil. That's it
the world could be, on flames but if you could
buy gas at two point fifty, a gallon, he's fine. That's,
it okay, fair enough you're entitled. Of THEM so, i
said are you familiar With The babel Mandeb the Gate?

(01:02:10):
Of tears and he looked. AT me, i said that's
the one you're, gonna watch because that's guarded By, the
hohothies and again, the look do you know who?

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
They?

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Are no do you know who?

Speaker 12 (01:02:24):
They?

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Are no are though? The terrorists well they, don't think so,
oh okay. Forget IT so i, just say you, know what.
Forget it i'm just not Even gonna i'm not even.
Gonna bother don't. Even bother because there's another thing that.
People believe and you've met these, people before everybody from.

(01:02:45):
Other countries they are, all evil from fathers and grandfathers
and grandmothers and kids and teachers. And neighbors they get
together every morning and they plot. Evil things they're a society.
Of evil they. Promote evil there's. Nothing good they have.
No history they could predate this country by thousands and.

(01:03:06):
Thousand millennia. Doesn't matter if you go, against us. You're
evil now that's. Not true doesn't mean, they're good doesn't mean.
They're evil, ONE day i swear, to YOU if i
say just, one week try this for, one week spend,

(01:03:29):
twenty minutes and we can do it on learning a
little bit about what you're. Talking about spend, some TIME
and i swear, TO you i could change. People's awareness
they would love this, country more they would love. Learning
more they would love, complexity more but that's not going
to happen because that's not the way. We are that's
not the way our. News works doesn't work. Like that

(01:03:51):
they don't want you to think thinking. Complicates matters eight
hundred and eighty four eight nine two to two Two
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The lionel, good Morning nyl you're gonna get me in
trouble because you. PRODDED me i can't, help IT and
i can't believe that other people who are firearms of
ficcionados don't realize that there's no Way That tyler robinson
could Have Shot charlie kirk with a thirty six with
the mouse like kne ninety Eight re chambridge in thirty

(01:05:01):
out sects without leaving an exit hole in the back
and splattering blood on the back of that screen.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Or disintegrating his. Head, COMPLETELY.

Speaker 6 (01:05:11):
Yes, I mean i just can't believe that nobody else could.
SEE it i mean we used to go to the Range.
On calverton, you know guys they would have a break
up discs, out there steal, break discs, you know shooting,
at them a punching. Holes thrum. You know it's just
and Also too let me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Let me say. Something else we're talking About. The tyler
we're talking About The tyler. Robinson case he is charged
with murdering With Assassinating. Charlie kirk how? About this the
guns them the gun itself was not found by one
of these gun. Detection dogs these dogs are so sensitive
they could smell a, fish, fart okay but they for

(01:05:51):
some reason. Missed this not only that the configuration of
the scope gets in the way of. The safety not
only that he either had a screwdriver Or an. Alan
wrench they said there was. A screwdriver the definition of
how to take this. Thing apart by, the way this
is a KID who i don't know if he's that

(01:06:13):
good it was with an. Alan wrench did you see
how many times he supposedly purportedly changed. His clothes it's read.
His story I'M sorry i.

Speaker 6 (01:06:26):
Did not I'M sorry i. DID not i focus on
the fact that that's a thirty, out. Six okay and
the fact of the matter is that left no exit, won't.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
No no we.

Speaker 8 (01:06:35):
Know that no.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Understand that now we're just but that's THAT'S just i
hate to. Say it that's the least. Of it this
is this is the. Biggest joke do you know we're
not even sure if and at all if he admitted
anything to. His parents do you know he turned himself
into the police and never. Admitted it he turned himself

(01:06:58):
in because he told him they're gonna. Kill you they're gonna.
Kill you they were going to. Butler him how he.
Slipped through nobody can figure. This out so it's one of.
Those things, but yet, BUT yet i just. Say it
if you watch, cable news they've got it open. And
shut no, big deal. It's done how about when you

(01:07:22):
have the son Of the president Of The united states
showing up with a secret service contingent to a, preliminary
hearing does that send the message out to. The judge
what does? That mean what is going? On here Remember
when nixon made that offhand Comment about manson being guilty
and that caused. AN uproar i, mean, THIS look i.

(01:07:46):
DON'T know i would NOT put i would not give
this guy his life A plug nichols worth. Of, existing
absolutely if they did This, to epstein, they will they
will epstein this guy. So fast and you, know what
nobody will question it because he's a troubled. Young man
he will leave. A note.

Speaker 6 (01:08:07):
HE'S crazy, I agree, I mean butler troubles, me also,
YOU know i mean when you have a congress moves
Former green rain gets out of his car and looks
at the whole thing in his, First comment and why
wasn't there someone up on that? Water tower and the
fact that this one why did?

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
The president why did? The president why did the president
shut down? The investigation what's? GOING on, I mean i
can come up with all kinds of. Interesting, theories.

Speaker 6 (01:08:34):
Unfortunately with all the attempts on his life, And everything,
I'M sorry i just can't help but, feel that, you
know he got. The message i'm not going to say anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
In that you, Know, WHAT joaquin i understand what you, WERE,
saying i, thank you, my friend please call. ME again
a lot of people are saying, precisely that, precisely that
let's Go to Charlie In, Cherry Hill. New jersey brace yourself,
for this. My friend you're on another Side of Midnight.

Speaker 10 (01:09:00):
With lionel thank You.

Speaker 15 (01:09:02):
For LIONEL and i just want TO say i totally agree.
With you and people are. Missing outstanding yes today don't understand.
It all but?

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
What misunderstanding, what sir.

Speaker 15 (01:09:13):
About Why doctor fauci is Taking The. Fifth amendment he's
Taking The fifth amendment because he has to to avoid a.
Perjury trap and, you said if you were, his lawyer
you were advising to Take The fifth, Amendment TOO and
i think that's the right thing. TO do i think that's.
GOOD advice i don't, like him by.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
THE way i don't care. FOR him i think he's.
A dupe i think he's a. DANGEROUS person i think
he did more to cause and. Wreak havoc he's. A
slime i personally am disgusted. By, him however he doesn't
abnegate or give up his constitutional rights because he's a.
Dirt bucket.

Speaker 15 (01:09:51):
That's right and the pardon that people give people keep
one of your, callers mentioned and you hear other calls and.
OTHER programs i, should, say well he's got, a pardon
why shouldn't. He, testify well the reason why he shouldn't
testify Is Because, governor DeSantis and he actually announced This On,
fox news which at THE station, i watched is he

(01:10:14):
announced them he's, bringing charges, State charges florida's. State charges
now these aren't. Federal charges he's Bringing to. Florida court
and he wants to put him in Jail. In florida
and as you know from being A, PROSECUTOR florida I
mean florida prisons are HELD and i think it's and

(01:10:35):
he says. He thinks then he keeps using, the, phrase
well we need to hold him. On accountable we need
to hold. Him accountable and THE question i keep asking
if people, is well what does? THAT mean i think
they should take away his. MEDICAL license i don't think
he should be a. Doctor anymore but he's eighty five.
YEARS old i don't want to see him go to

(01:10:57):
jail Because he's.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Why should he lose? His, license.

Speaker 15 (01:11:04):
Well the REASON why i think he should lose his
license to practice medicine is because of what he Did
Was Eco health alliance and Helping The wuhan Laboratory of
virality did, The.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
WELL charlie i thank you. For colleagues please call. Me
again let me just tell. You something if you think
you're going to be able to, establish that if you
think you're going to be able to and even you
based upon administrative, hearing standards which is not exactly, reasonable
doubt but, uh HUH because i promise you he will

(01:11:43):
show you that everything he did, was, approved ordered it. Was,
consistent uh he followed. The rules that doesn't mean anything
just because of following. The rules what does that is
that familiars following orders go back? In history where does that?
Come from let's Go to Terry In. New, jersey terry

(01:12:06):
you're on another Side of Midnight With Lionel.

Speaker 4 (01:12:10):
Hi lona your show is. Really fabulous please just spell down.
DOWN here i don't know like you Bring Up. Pylot
robinson do you realize that most people wouldn't even know
who you were talking about when you mentioned?

Speaker 16 (01:12:23):
His?

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Name, absolutely absolutely and THAT'S why i don't talk about it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:28):
Right exactly And also crooks who was Up in Butler
And ryan roth on the golf course and the psychopathic
firebomber Down, And, boulder colorado killed an eighty year old
lady during. A protest but everybody seems To know fauci's
Name is. Luigi's name we got a really deep dive

(01:12:49):
into that, one night and no white people are like
they want To. Get topchi they want to, get him
like he's the only guy involved in this.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
AND everything i would like To get FAUCI if i
could do it by the, rule rules pursuing to. The
rules but we have to have Somebody to we need
somebody to actually remember he has been granted a pardon
or put it, This way biden's auto pen might have.
Done it let me also tell you something which is.

(01:13:17):
VERY important i want to just, just change change just a.
Little course there is Something that i'm trying to, tell
PEOPLE and i want them. To listen, and again maybe
you know. About this when you, have people when YOU
have Dsa And mom donnie like clones doing well around,
the country why aren't people asking, the, question well why

(01:13:38):
are they considered favorable and attractive to so? Many people,
number two why do you think there's such an excitement
of People Like tucker carlson announcing a. Third party why
are People Like Marjorie titla Green And joe Kent And
thomas massey, And others why are they so up track

(01:14:00):
to so? Many people why do you think that? Is
now what happens is as, you know if you watch,
cable news they will dismiss. These people, they're crazy, they're
fringe they don't know what's, Going on. They're stupid this
is this is the way we. Do business this is
the way we. DO business i am telling you there

(01:14:21):
is a revolution in. This country there is, a revolution
and there are, people who for, whatever reason, They're saying
i'm tired of this business's usual Two Party. Republican democrats
most people can't even just tell you What a. Republican
is they have no earthly idea because they don't even see.

(01:14:42):
It exemplified they don't. Understand IT and i will tell you.
THIS much i, don't know but if There's a republican
Party In, new york please tell me where.

Speaker 8 (01:14:51):
It?

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
Is please where? Are they where? Are they sasquatch is
easier to find than. THESE folks i don't know what.
THEY do i know a lot of people talk, again
game they have. LAPEL pins a lot of lapelpins a
lot of flags things, Like that but what does it, Really?
Mean terry what is your? Political philosophy what do you?

(01:15:14):
Believe in not what party. You're in but people don't answer.
These questions they can't answer.

Speaker 4 (01:15:20):
These, courses, well first just on a joking THING before
i get. To It The republican party used to hold
their meetings in, phone votes but they got rid of
the phone Votes In. New york but the, thing is
my philosophy is a country cannot be over ridden and overwhelmed.

(01:15:40):
By farms and now What The republican, party does if
you notice their strategy now is with all these very
hard left people getting elected in primaries and even in,
general elections they're blaming white college kids. For this this
is another. Big lie the fallout is from basically one
Hundred Million third worlds Coming to america and they're voting

(01:16:02):
for the for third world that's for basically in.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
Good PART and i thank you for, your call. My friend,
in part there are a number of people in, this
Country and i'm telling you who have been here who
Are not, third worlders but. They are there's a, NEW there,
i say a, new contingent a new a new part
of what you would call either the left or, liberal
left who or are enjoying this new kind of this. Exciting,

(01:16:33):
shakeup remember people Laughed at. George McGovern, george McGovern by,
the way was a was a hard. Right winger compared
to some of. These people this guy was was A
Bomber World. WAR two, i mean this guy. Is serious
but at the time McCarthy, and McGovern those are nothing
compared to what we're seeing. Right now we're hearing a

(01:16:53):
group of people who were talking about who were making
how do we, say this who are Making real they're,
very attractive and when it comes To mom donnie what
people are forgetting see they look at him and, they,
SAY look i wouldn't vote for him, for, anything. NOTHING
zero i understand what. This is that's not. My point

(01:17:14):
JUST because i wouldn't do it doesn't. MEAN anything i
know how he appeals. To people, he's nice, he smiles he, seems, benign.
Saccharin anodyne he talks about things he, talks about and
he's just he's, an excellent absolutely. Excellent, SPEAKER again i

(01:17:34):
don't believe. In this look at. His style everybody who
meets him always. Loves him everybody who, meets, him says
how cordially is a nice look at our. PRIOR mayre
i know this Is Very new. York Century, eric adams
who was, an imbecile and now, he's showing now he's.
Working out what is with these middle? Aged men all
of a sudden, they're, Saying look i'm. Working out i'm doing.
Pull ups Whether, it's hexath Whether It's, Bobby Kennedy Now,

(01:17:57):
eric adams this. Is Terrific george marshall couldn't do a
pull up to save. His life what are you? Talking
about we've. Become children who's running? The show where is?
The bench where are people to explain the rudiments of how?
Systems work what happens when you lose billionaires theoretically in,

(01:18:22):
this city what happens to that? TAX base i know
it sounds good to your, radical left. NEILISTIC contingent i,
Understand that but, that's bizarre. That's ridiculous it doesn't make.
Any sense there are some things you need and you
don't destroy your tax base and. PROMISE things i just we.

(01:18:45):
Know this but here's. The thing i'm going to tell.
YOU this i, know this you, know this but they don't.
Know this how do you think? That is what?

Speaker 15 (01:18:55):
Is?

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
That Jack. And, Pennsylvania jack you're on another side of Midnight.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
WITH long I know i'm your number one Fan, in
pennsylvania and it sounds like. My friend please let, me
talk let me pay. YOUR respect i agree with everything.
You say you're suck an, educated MAN and i just

(01:19:20):
want you TO know i appreciate.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
Your, Views, well jack, thank you and you call. Me,
AGAIN jack i. APPRECIATE that I mention i thought he
was gonna yell at me for a while was, Thank.
You jack please call me again. So much, please, do sir.
Please do i'm. Not good i'm not gonna. Say that

(01:19:44):
i'm not going to. Say anything let's Go to Max
In New. York city you're on another side of Midnight. With, lionel.

Speaker 10 (01:19:53):
Yes thank you for taking. My call you HAVE what
i wanted to go to, sleep EARLY and i started
listening to. YOUR converse i couldn't go back.

Speaker 16 (01:20:01):
To.

Speaker 10 (01:20:01):
Sleep Good. Uh tom and here has to do with
something called MAIDE M A I D medical assistants. In
dying AND.

Speaker 9 (01:20:09):
What i would say is that.

Speaker 10 (01:20:11):
It's Passed uh hope will signed this. Into effect signed
this went into effects from the sixth of this month
and getting, the simplistic the simple version of this is,
that now if you're going to a hospital and they
think that you're not, worth saving they'll send a nurse

(01:20:31):
into your room in the middle of the night and
they will you up with something to. Kill you this
can happen to, your mother, your. Father, ourselves now where.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Do you where do you know this? To be where
do you know this?

Speaker 7 (01:20:43):
To?

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
BE trucer.

Speaker 10 (01:20:46):
I heard heard this on. THE news i also heard
this From Uh, SHEHERRI karen i think her.

Speaker 8 (01:20:53):
Name.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
Is people you're saying, that people medical professionals will come
into your room and.

Speaker 10 (01:21:02):
Kill them.

Speaker 12 (01:21:03):
Come in.

Speaker 10 (01:21:04):
They can't it's legally allowed.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
Now to come in and.

Speaker 4 (01:21:08):
Kill, you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
Yes against, you will unbeknownst, to you, roll over hold.
Your breath we're going to.

Speaker 10 (01:21:16):
Kill you there are some details and YOU could i
could be here for a longer time discussing this. With you,
but yes that's the that's the easiest way to, put
it because we're on h on the radio now and
we have the, time CONSTRAINTS and i had to spit.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
It, Out, okay well what can we do, about?

Speaker 4 (01:21:37):
This sir that's a.

Speaker 10 (01:21:40):
Good question that's a. Good question what would you like us,
to do, Sir well i'd like to uh, coNP, ideally
IDEALLY if i could contron several people ON the A
m a or at the bioethics board in all of,
the hospitals which is another word of saying you, Nix
boards i'd like to put them in. Their place but

(01:22:03):
that's not too rational a way of dealing.

Speaker 6 (01:22:05):
With, things.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
Well do you believe that physicians assisted suicide has its? Place?
Anywhere Yes if.

Speaker 10 (01:22:17):
Patroon is suffering too much, and, says looks just take,
me out.

Speaker 9 (01:22:21):
That's.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
Fine okay what if.

Speaker 10 (01:22:23):
A person i don't not THEY need i don't think
they need this made situation medical assistance and dying. They
can you could still have done that Prior To kathy
hope of.

Speaker 9 (01:22:33):
Signing this how, is that, sir.

Speaker 10 (01:22:37):
Well because hospitals, have that You can you did have
the ability before she signed this into effect to sign something, and,
say look these are getting too, painful here, you know
numb me up or take.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
Me out, no, no no good luck, with that. SIR now,
I know i know there are some cases where, no.

Speaker 10 (01:22:56):
No, No, Lionel lionel I'M sorry i have to disagree
with YOU because i have had A person i have
put a confrontation with a nurse in a hospital and they.
Threatened me they SAID if i didn't keep my. Mouth
shut so it's such a they could shove anything up in,
the uh the arm of my.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
Loved one and wait, a minute and that's a. Different
story let me go back to what you. Said Before
if i'm in a hospital right NOW, and i for,
whatever reason want to check out on, my own on,
my OWN and i want, to, say listen either just
just end this, right now overdose me with some type Of,

(01:23:35):
animal jesus, you know, stop respiration whatever. IT is i
want to terminate. My, life now you're saying a hospital, will,
say okay we'll. Accommodate you is that what you're saying.

Speaker 10 (01:23:47):
At this point.

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
In, time, yes, no, no, no.

Speaker 9 (01:23:54):
No yes.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
No good.

Speaker 10 (01:23:59):
They make things that are. Not, legal wait but that
can be well what it can?

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
Be done you say it. Is done you're saying that
a doctor a hospital is going to go to somebody
who is not. Necessarily terminal my is going to have
no review to make sure they're, not, depressed nothing but
they're going, to, say, listen doc that patient in twelve
oh three wants to. Check OUT should i do? The,
Thing yes and they go. In there somebody watches the

(01:24:29):
door and, they, say okay, you're Ready. Mister, johnson okay
and we load you up with some KIND of i
don't know what. It is and they're going to escape,
criminal liability any kind, of lawsuits losing, their license being,
shut down, family members people who didn't agree. To this
you're telling me a hospital now does this on a
regular basis just to accommodate the wishes of a very.

Speaker 4 (01:24:52):
Ill person it may not just be accommodating.

Speaker 10 (01:24:56):
The wishes they may for whatever Reason their.

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
You respect tip irrespective.

Speaker 9 (01:25:02):
Of, why.

Speaker 10 (01:25:04):
No it's not irrespective. Of why that's an important it's
an important way to.

Speaker 4 (01:25:07):
Approach you. You.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
Can't No what i'm saying is whether they, do this
why they do this is irrelevant the fact that you're
saying they do this. Right now in hospitals kill people
who just hold up their hand, and say, EXCUSE me
i don't Know what i'm going here. Through this h
don't check, me out just. Kill me and by, the

(01:25:29):
way when you fill out the death certificate right, and
natural don't don't put, you know don't, put homicide because
that's what this is this is. A, homicie yeah, it
is and.

Speaker 10 (01:25:42):
As far as happening far more Frequently in canada than it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
Is, HERE well i well that's, another story. My friend
thank you so. VERY much i appreciate. Your call eight
hundred and eighty four eighty nine two. TWO two I
don't i'm not. Buying.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
That.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
Sorry uh it's a very, complicated issue assisted, physician assistants.
Assisted death it's very. Very difficult Liz, In, alaska liz
you're on another Side of Midnight With Lionel.

Speaker 13 (01:26:17):
High lionel.

Speaker 17 (01:26:18):
Let's, SEE first i wanted To mention. I'VE asked i
have three daughters who are all progressive and Were Behind.
BERNIE sanderson i, asked why and this might be a
stance Of The Democratic socialist party at. THIS time i.
Don't know But when i've, asked people, they've said because.
Everything's free And when i've, asked them they would go

(01:26:40):
to the Country. Of DENMARK when i asked them what
are the tax Rates, Of norway Sweden, and denmark they
didn't know and they didn't want. TO know i tried
to say there's no free lunch and didn't. Get, ANYWHERE
also i hear a lot of people bashing billionaire like
they want a different form of government other, than capitalism, you.

Speaker 16 (01:27:04):
Know, yeah yeah trying to understand.

Speaker 17 (01:27:08):
Where people are.

Speaker 14 (01:27:09):
Coming from as to.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Your children by, the way with all, due respect. THEY'RE
idiots i don't know what to. Tell you that's that's.

Speaker 13 (01:27:18):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
There listen they're as as idiotic claiming they want d
essay as people who claim, other buddy other people are.
A communist so have two sides of. The people they
don't even know that the fundamentals of this do? You
know could you describe democratic socialism as it is? Theoretically designed?

(01:27:42):
Can you can you? Describe?

Speaker 17 (01:27:43):
IT no i try to find up all of the
MONEY because i haven't run into, it before and he
just seemed to promise a lot of free things that
didn't seem practical.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
At, all okay but what do you think?

Speaker 9 (01:27:59):
IT is i have.

Speaker 10 (01:28:00):
No, idea, okay, WELL listen i.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
Appreciate that thank you calling. Me again eight hundred and
eighty four eight ninety two. Two two thank you. So
much i'm going to say this as as nicely. As
possible there is, no reason none for anybody TO say
i have no idea what. IT'S about i have no

(01:28:23):
idea what democratic. SOCIALISM is i don't even know the
rudiments of Socialism. VERSUS marxism i. Don't know you have
right now on, your phone on your phone the ability
to at least ask something to even get you kind
of in the, right direction do? You hear and this
is she's a. Wonderful person nobody has a thirst for

(01:28:49):
knowing the truth of knowing what does this mean versus this,
the nuances, the history where did this? Come from or
you were meant? To believe especially if you watch cable

(01:29:10):
news and a lot of the more, YOU know i
don't know what you want to, call it the usual
suspect type of, information platforms that these are kind, of,
stalinist maoist castro, red Commie. ANTI america, i mean, just,

(01:29:33):
whatever whatever whatever this horror, show is and people will
say that's good enough. For me i'll. Take that i'll,
take that never lifting a finger, TO say i don't
think that's, it, Is mom? Donnie, crazy oh yes? He's, crazy, really,

(01:29:54):
yes yes so? He, Is yes well what is? HE
believed i. Don't know it's, something around but it doesn't.
Really matter he's a kami and, he's crazy and he's crazy,
all right that's the way. We think it takes you
five minutes five to sit there, and, say, oh okay
AT least i understand what. It's about you can also

(01:30:15):
research give me arguments Against. Mom, donnie please you can
Use any by, THE way ai do not. Miss misunderestimated
somebody one time said you can ask it any combinations
of questions you want up to an including what does?
This mean what does? THIS mean ai is so you

(01:30:41):
don't have to even lift. A finger you could just
ask it a question and it will send you all.
About it and it's very very what's the word kind
of parsimonious when it comes to. Giving opinions it gives
you at least. THE theory i want to know what the.
THEORY is i want to know what the. THEORY is
i was explaining to somebody the other day about the

(01:31:02):
notion Of The republican party when it, first started the
first convention and was eighteen sixty five or Something, in
philly the. Two, position remember they talked about the twin pillars, of,
barbarism polygamy. And slavery and they look at, me like
what are you? Talking about because they have this Idea
that Republican The republican party is is racist or they

(01:31:23):
Know nothing american. HISTORY nothing i also want to say,
one thing if you have not a rudimentary understanding, of
geography kind of where things are. Laid out europeans know
it constantly because when they're on vacation, or holiday they
can get in, the car drive for two hours and

(01:31:45):
they're in a. Different country they travel like you can't
believe we don't. Do this. We don't. We, DON'T frankly
i can. UNDERSTAND why i hate to. Say it i'm
Not really, SOMEBODY said i want to spend a month
in food Cat, to great have a, Nice time send me.
A postcard do we even have? POSTCARDS anymore i. Don't

(01:32:06):
know But what i'm saying is we have to enlist
in people the ability, to say before you opine, about
something do you understand what? This means. That's all Pamela In, New,
jersey pamela you're on another side Of the Midnight. With
lionel in.

Speaker 16 (01:32:24):
Reference to this assistic dying thing getting out, of hand
why NOT didn't covid get out? Of hand didn't people
die in nursing homes and hospitals and family members were?
Locked out and if you died in a. Motorcycle accident
suddenly IT was covid because that's where the. Money was.

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
And your point.

Speaker 16 (01:32:45):
Is assistant Dying In New york state or anywhere can
get out. Of, HAND oh, i know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
What do you think? ABOUT it.

Speaker 16 (01:32:58):
I think it's very. Dangerous, territory well what do?

Speaker 1 (01:33:01):
You do you think there should be a mechanism where
a person has the ability to terminate or to accelerate,
the inevitable something that is relatively painless, by virtue some
type of a cocktail that can.

Speaker 16 (01:33:16):
End their individual when they're of found mind and they
make plans. For it, and also what we've done now
is because everybody's suing, over opioids people are in pain
and agony and not able to.

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
Get opioids that's a. Different issue that's a. Different Issue
what i'm, asking is do you believe it?

Speaker 9 (01:33:38):
It's?

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
Connected, No no i'm asking you a very. Civil question
do you believe.

Speaker 16 (01:33:42):
We should tell you if you when you're in sound
mind and you, make, plans no.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
Let me ask. You this and what if you make
let me let me ask you. A question what if
you make these plans at the age, of thirty at
the age of seventy. Or later, you figure now these
plans must. Be implemented who determines whether you are of? Sound?
Mind then not when you. Were thirty That's what.

Speaker 16 (01:34:09):
I'm saying the whole thing can get out. Of hands
SO no.

Speaker 8 (01:34:12):
I do that's Not what i'm.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
ASKING you.

Speaker 10 (01:34:13):
I do i.

Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
Appreciate it thank you for to. Do, this, okay okay
thank You appreciate this is somebody who does not want
to delve into, the intricacies, the beauty the the there's
so many great we'll talk about that. Coming up our
number is eight hundred eighty four eight nine two. To
two eight hundred eight four eight nine two. Two two
let's talk, about this shall we on another Side of Midnight?

Speaker 5 (01:34:37):
With lionel the other Side of Midnight with lionel On
The Red Apple. Podcast network.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
Already lineup. With you eight hundred and eighty four eight
nine two. Two two? What if? Fascinating subject, fascinating subject
the idea that Should you, you know there is a
provision of Course in canada which we sort of kind of,
maybe have but it's this idea, of, this uh this

(01:35:16):
maid this medically medical assistance in dying, and uh it's
one of those. THINGS where, i mean Whether you i've
heard people say, this BEFORE but i am telling you.
Right now the idea that somebody that somebody who is

(01:35:41):
in agony or or is being kept alive because their heart,
is beating because they're, they're breathing.

Speaker 8 (01:35:54):
This.

Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
IS life i don't have a Say In new york
the medical ASSISTED The maid Provision Medical Assisted medical Assistant.
In Dying kathy huckel has signed Something In. New york

(01:36:16):
the law is is very different from what it is
a few. Months Ago but hockel SIGNED The maid Act
on february the sixth of, this year and the operative
provisions became Effective, in august and it is considerably narrower
than canada system and basically for those who, are interested but,

(01:36:39):
you know we'll talk about this in. A moment but
the issue IS because i don't have time to go
into the full throes. Of THIS but i just plugged
in just a question of What Is new. York's law
it took me a millisecond to get. The answer. A
millisecond it's. RIGHT there i don't have TO say i.

(01:37:01):
Don't know beats the hell out. Of me. It's simple
the bigger problem, to everything not, the issues is the
level of, in curiosity this idea that there's a certain
degree of satisfaction OR dare, i say even satiety that
people Feel, WITH well i. Don't know i'm not. Really.

(01:37:24):
Sure huh never thought. ABOUT that i. DON'T know i.
Can't live i'm. Looking up i'll get out of bed
to look up a word that something that just pops into.
My mind because you, don't Why because. I'm demented eight
hundred and eight four eight ninety two to, two two,
the third the final hour coming up on another Side

(01:37:46):
of Midnight With. Me lionel.

Speaker 5 (01:37:55):
The other Side of Midnight with lionel On The red
Apple Pod.

Speaker 3 (01:38:00):
Cast network, MY loan, I know, I know, I know,
I know, I know, I know, I know, I know,

(01:38:21):
I know, I know.

Speaker 7 (01:38:23):
I know, I know, I know, I.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
Know, I know, I know, I know. I know body
ligne up. With you and this is the third and
the final hour of this thing. OF ours i number
is eight hundred and eighty four eight ninety two. Two
two what, an exciting absolutely just an INCREDIBLE even i

(01:38:51):
don't know, about YOU but i. Love this and the
REASON why i love this is you never know where
we're going. With this we never know where. We're going
somebody will, say something somebody will throw in not. A
curveball we'll, just say you, know what what? About? THIS instead, i,
THINK oh i, LIKE this i like. This angle let's
see if we can kind of veer just a. Little

(01:39:13):
bit and if you, if you if, you don't HOW
do i, Say this if you don't use and utilize
the genius of the CALLERS and i, SAY this i
say this with all, due respect you miss one of
the best natural things that. Are available it's. Very easy

(01:39:35):
sometimes it gets somebody into it and to lock yourself into,
a format which, is good, you know which is everybody's
got their own. Particular style but if you, have guests
or if you have this, and that you're locked, into
that but you don't have the opportunity. To veer this
IS what i think is the. Most important this IS

(01:39:56):
what i think is the. Most critical this IS what
I think i love the most about what. We're doing,
so important, so important this is. SO critical i can't say.
It ENOUGH now i did something which is very, very
interesting very. VERY simple i WENT and i just. LOOKED

(01:40:19):
up i went into you can have, opening eye you
can HAVE, chet GPT and i said what is Specifically
The New york Provision For medical Aid In? Dying act what?
Is it what? Is it how does it change or
veer or Differ. From CANADA'S when i tell you less than,

(01:40:42):
A second i've got everything there is and, citation form it's.
RIGHT there i don't have to Go.

Speaker 8 (01:40:51):
To.

Speaker 1 (01:40:52):
Google nothing so just in case you want, to know
because this. Is Fascinating In, new york the law now
is very different from what it was but a. Few
Months Governor kathy hochel Signed The medical Aid And dying
Act on february the sixth of. This year the operative
provisions became Effective, in august and it is considerably Narrower.

(01:41:13):
Than canada's The Basic new york rule, is this an
individual must Be A new york resident at least eighteen,
years old mentally capable and suffering from an incurable and
irreversible terminal illness or condition expected to cause death within.

(01:41:36):
Six months disability or old age by itself does. Not,
qualify OKAY now i just, read this and maybe it's
the lawyer, in Me but, i'm seeing oh, my god
exception after exception and condition and interpretation left and. Right now,
the safeguards they say. Are substantial the patient must personally request.

(01:42:02):
THE medication a, healthcare, proxy spouse or family member cannot
request it for. The patient there is an oral request
that must be audio or, video recorded as well as
a written statement. A request an attending physician and an

(01:42:23):
independent consulting physician must evaluate, the case and the consulting
physician must confirm the, terminal diagnosis, the capacity and the
informed decision and absence. Of Coercion new york went further
than many jurisdictions by requiring every applicant to undergo an

(01:42:43):
evaluation by a psychiatrist or a psychologist concerning decision. Making
capacity if that professional concludes that the patient, lacks capacity
the person. Cannot qualify and there's also a five day
waiting period between the prescription of being written and, being

(01:43:04):
filled although it can be shortened when the physician concludes
the patient is likely to die before waiting. Period expires
and here's an extremely important distinction. From euthanasia the patient
must perform the. Final act the medication must be consciously
and voluntarily. SELF administer, a, doctor nurse, family member or

(01:43:28):
other person cannot inject or administer the, lethal medication and
the patient may also revoke the request at, any time
and the attending physician must offer another opportunity. To withdraw
and there are conflicts of interest rules. As well people
who stand to inherit or otherwise, benefit financially which is

(01:43:50):
one of my concerns from the patient's death generally cannot serve.
As witnesses the, attending physician, consulting physician and the value
any mental health professional also cannot serve. As Witnesses new
york expressly declares that the death occurring under the statute

(01:44:12):
is not legally considered suicide, assisted, suicide euthanasia, mercy killing.
Or homicide but, of course as you, can imagine critics
immediately make the, philosophical objection and it goes on. And,
on now this is a subject which. Fascinates me and

(01:44:34):
Everybody that i've ever known has, always said whatever, you
do don't let me wither and be. Stroked out and some,
you know hooked up to a tube with people changing,
my diapers and you know you've. HEARD this i don't
know anybody, who says whatever, you do you make sure

(01:44:54):
you keep. Me, ALIVE now i don't care if I'M
if i have the mental capacity of an. Onion ring
you keep. ME alive i don't care if it, to
please every last, dollar saved, every asset it. Doesn't matter
nobody ever. Says. That nobody, of course are there potentials, for,
abuse yes but let me stop you. Right there these

(01:45:17):
same people will think absolutely nothing of going into other
countries for whatever reason and destroying huge swaths of humanity
without batting. An eye it's the weirdest thing when it comes,
to war when it comes, to abortion when it comes to,

(01:45:39):
capital punishment we are, so situationally what's the word malleable
when it comes, to morality it's amazing. To me let's
go back to. The phones let's go back to your
thoughts about this and, other matters whatever or whatever melts.

(01:46:01):
Your butter at, eight four eight ninety. Two Too to
matt In, the bronx you're on another Side of Midnight.

Speaker 4 (01:46:07):
With.

Speaker 13 (01:46:08):
LIONEL yes i know that there's currently a great deal
of conversation and debate Concerned Of anthony fauci and him potentially.
Being prosecuted there's a there's another bailful figure from the

(01:46:28):
early two tent twenty twenties that you know you really
do need to consider, for prosecution And That's, Mary garland
how was that suying that's the. Wonderful, individual yea how?

Speaker 8 (01:46:42):
Is?

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
That why why should he be considered?

Speaker 13 (01:46:44):
For, prosecution yeah That's what i'm explaining so pretty much
with regard when he was Actually The, attorney general he
actually DESIGNATED the fbi to consider, law abiding tax Paying
white american citizens who objected to having their children brainwashed
with homosexual AND uh crt propaganda in the public schools

(01:47:09):
that they pay forward the taxes as quote domestic terrorists
Unquote uh.

Speaker 1 (01:47:15):
And you ask, you again, ask again why should he?

Speaker 13 (01:47:18):
Be, prosecuted well when you get, that designation, you know
the law, enforcement agencies they don't exactly leave. You alone
they violate your civil rights if you get designated as
a terror.

Speaker 1 (01:47:29):
Domestic, Terrorists yeah i'm sure Mister mister garland would say
that's not EXACTLY what, I said but let's assume. It
is how should he be prosecuted under? What laws under
what theory civil?

Speaker 13 (01:47:42):
Rights law how in so far as that he's violating
the civil rights of a group of? People illegally what.

Speaker 1 (01:47:50):
About immunity from what about immunity from prosecution that all
uh uh prosecutor that all the police and you know
judges AND have, i mean at that time there are
people who would say what. HE did, i KNOW and
i tend to agree with you by being against, It

(01:48:11):
philosophically but it's not as there's no way. This prosecution
they would laugh this out of no nobody would ever
be in a journey general because if what they did, considered,
ME well, i was you violated my. Civil rights every
time somebody does anything where people, are arrested people or
their their behaviors are limited or truncated, or whatever they're

(01:48:34):
always going to claim now that their civil rights. Are
violated so, you know we can't operationally.

Speaker 13 (01:48:39):
Do that it, sounds, good, yeah well, you know but
in so far as the, you know you violated the
spirit of the laws, probable cause.

Speaker 1 (01:48:51):
You know he would, Say no he would, SAY probably
i don't want to believe the point but the idea
was that this would. Never work he would, SAY no
i didn't because you would have have so many legal opinions, saying,
no no this is completely within the purview of his
of his of. HIS role, I know i know it,
sounds GOOD and i understand what, you're SAYING and i

(01:49:13):
agree with, it philosophically, politically legally but he's not subject.
To prosecution people who want people prosecuted are the ones
who want. Everybody impeached they love this idea that you're
going to remove people because they did their. Job poorly, all.

Speaker 13 (01:49:29):
Right but you would agree THAT the fbi has a
long history of violating people's civil rights and civil liberties
with regard to the co. Intel prophy remember back in
the nineteen sixties, and Seventies, The, hoover, yes Exactly. Diego
hoover you're not civil. Rights Activists People.

Speaker 1 (01:49:45):
Diego, Hoover's dead and they would say, to you, that's,
fine sir and that has something to do. With this
now we are A different, you know you Don't, Think
cash pateel whatever be involved in co intel pro?

Speaker 4 (01:49:58):
Do?

Speaker 13 (01:49:59):
YOU oh i would, hope not, you know but, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:50:03):
Are you kiddy in? A heartbeat look? At him, come
on look? At him please? Stop it, so anyway, bottom,
line sir, bottom line what Would you let's talk. About
reality what would you like? Done? Now realistically we're not
going to go back in time And Prosecute. Merrick garland
what should we, do?

Speaker 13 (01:50:24):
Now sir would you put in as many safeguards and
civilian oversights OVER.

Speaker 9 (01:50:30):
The fbi, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:50:31):
No, no, no, no no no. No no civilian oversight
takes away their ability to. USE discretion i want my
president or, any president to appoint With his Department of
justice somebody he will be able to fully prosecute in essence.
His VISION and i don't want a bunch of bleeding

(01:50:54):
hearts or right wing or whatever interfering. AS civilian i
don't want civilian people overlooking. OUR military i Don't want
i'm looking over. Our Courts This Civilian Complaint, review BOARD
the ccrb that we have sometimes. IS horrible i don't.
WANT that i don't want somebody who has no idea

(01:51:15):
what's going on to sit in and basically second guests
people who. ARE professionals i thank you for, your. Call
sir it's a. Wonderful idea it. Sounds terrific Absolutely not
Larry On. Long island you're on another Side of Midnight.
With lionel.

Speaker 12 (01:51:34):
GOOD morning, I am, I am i'm. STUCK around i
have to. BE honest i AM what i. Am suffering.
I'm hurting why are?

Speaker 8 (01:51:45):
You?

Speaker 1 (01:51:45):
HURTING sir i met.

Speaker 12 (01:51:48):
A, woman recently and this is.

Speaker 8 (01:51:51):
THE truth.

Speaker 12 (01:51:53):
I know i don't know WHO else i could talk to.
About this.

Speaker 1 (01:51:57):
I'm an.

Speaker 12 (01:51:58):
Older gentleman i've been on my own for the last couple,
of YEARS and i met this woman and, she's WONDERFUL
and i didn't know until the second time we met
that she's full. Of tattoos She's in't i've never been

(01:52:20):
around somebody who's completely inc, kay BEAUTIFUL and i what's?

Speaker 1 (01:52:28):
The, problem like what's?

Speaker 16 (01:52:31):
My?

Speaker 1 (01:52:31):
Problem now so what's? The problem you don't? Like it
ain't so lever.

Speaker 18 (01:52:39):
Just?

Speaker 1 (01:52:39):
That, simple, well yeah if you don't like, to ink
if it bothered you, that much if you're in pain because, of,
tattoos lever this isn't worth. Your while find somebody who
does not. Have tattoos if tattoos mean that much, to
you give me if you ever stand by for. A
second i want to do THIS because i find this.
Absolutely FASCINATING if i believe it eight hundred eight for
eighty nine do do do put that. Collar on hole

(01:53:01):
will be right back, with you because this is another
Side of Midnight, with linel.

Speaker 5 (01:53:06):
The other Side of Midnight with lionel On The red apple.
Podcast network.

Speaker 1 (01:53:18):
How about your lineup with you eight night four eight.
Nine two this. Is fascinating let us go back to.
The phones we're talking to a man who is great in, great, pain, psychically,
Romantically emotionally Larry On. Long island larry has met the
woman of, his life but he finds most of his
chagrin and dismay and disgust that she is covered? With

(01:53:42):
tattoos is, That?

Speaker 4 (01:53:43):
Correct, larry well first, of all is?

Speaker 9 (01:53:47):
That?

Speaker 12 (01:53:47):
Correct larry thank you For keeping thank you for keeping
this in perspective OF how i approach you, WITH this i.
Mean exaggeration you have a job. To do but is?

Speaker 1 (01:54:02):
That true is? That TRUE what i? JUST said.

Speaker 8 (01:54:05):
I don't know what you.

Speaker 12 (01:54:07):
Just, said okay let me try. It again.

Speaker 1 (01:54:09):
Listen carefully you're saying in, case somebody just in case
somebody just tuned in and, they're wondering who the hell is?

Speaker 8 (01:54:14):
This?

Speaker 1 (01:54:14):
Guy larry what are we? Talking about this is called
resetting read. You anyway you have found that this woman that,
you like love or think very, fondly of that you've
been single for. A while and you say you're an.
Older person how old or? Are you how old?

Speaker 12 (01:54:29):
ARE you i am? Seventy?

Speaker 1 (01:54:31):
Two okay and you met this woman and how old?
Is she this woman that, you've met.

Speaker 12 (01:54:36):
She is in her, mid fifties.

Speaker 1 (01:54:39):
Mid fifties and you, find out much to your chagrin,
later on that she is covered. With, tattoos now you
didn't see this and, her clothing, her arms she was
never sleeveless or you just found out after, the fact
after you've fallen for her that she's covered. With. TATTOOS
correct i have not stolen.

Speaker 12 (01:54:59):
For her it's only been a couple of weeks since.
We met, but whatever when we met SHE was i
didn't know she, was covered AND then i found out she.

Speaker 1 (01:55:12):
Is, inced yeah now you've not seen.

Speaker 12 (01:55:17):
HER nude i, take, No, Sir.

Speaker 1 (01:55:20):
Okay so How do? I'm curious how? Did you how
did you? See her did she take off? A jacket
were her? Arms covered where is? She inked what degree?
Of inkage it's Not Like. Jimmy duranty what kind of
inkage did? She enjoy.

Speaker 12 (01:55:37):
The second time, we met she was sleeveless and she
was covered the rest of her body below. HER waist
i have no idea at, this point now, a movie.

Speaker 1 (01:55:49):
Did you did you bring this out? To her did
you did you address this whether or did, you, SAY
hey i Find this marley uh Reprehensible and i'm disgusted.
By this or do? You did you just keep your.

Speaker 12 (01:56:03):
Mouth shut you're disappointing me. RIGHT now i thought during
this conversation you would think more of me than a
person who would speak like that to. A, woman.

Speaker 1 (01:56:17):
Oh do me, A. Favorite larry first, of all do
me a favorite? Lighten up? Number one you're a seventy
two year old man and you're acting like the world
is over because you met a woman who's got a tattoo?
Or two, my, question so do me a favorite? Lighten
up don't be. So serious so here's. My question why
don't you? Leave her this is? Painting you, he says
not worth? Your time find. Somebody else what's? THE dilemma

(01:56:38):
i don't.

Speaker 4 (01:56:38):
UNDERSTAND it i haven't.

Speaker 12 (01:56:41):
Left her i'm asking you a. Simple question if you
met a woman who was tattooed and you want you?
Do it would you want to nibble on a? Comic
book would you want To lick? POPEYE'S face, i, mean seriously.

Speaker 4 (01:57:00):
You're.

Speaker 12 (01:57:01):
Being silly i'm.

Speaker 1 (01:57:03):
Being silly i'm. Being silly you're a seventy two year.
Old man let me let me get straight, With. You
larry let me. Get, straight okay let me you don't
have a lot of. Options here, TRUST me i don't
know what you. LOOK like i don't know who, you
are but something tells me you don't have bevies of
women standing online waiting to. Meet you so you're going

(01:57:25):
to ask yourself. This QUESTION if i like SOMEBODY and
i enjoy, her personality, her SPIRIT am i going to
look the other Way because i've got some hang up about.
A tattoo if it's too much for you, to handle
dump her and. Be lonely if you might want to reconsider,
and say you, Know what i'm gonna open up. My
mind i'm gonna give it. A, SHOT okay i don't,
like it so what? Big deal i'll learn. To it

(01:57:47):
it's in, her soul it's in. Her personality that's, what matters.
Not ink and with all, DUE respect i don't know
what you, look like but chances are you're Not Exactly
pierce bras. Than yourself so what's it?

Speaker 4 (01:58:01):
Gonna beout?

Speaker 12 (01:58:02):
Bottom line do you have the nerve to let? Me
respond for you're gonna hang up?

Speaker 1 (01:58:07):
On me you, Know, what larry you're? Boring me? Bottom
line what are you? Gonna do what are you?

Speaker 8 (01:58:13):
Gonna?

Speaker 6 (01:58:13):
Do?

Speaker 12 (01:58:13):
Larry one. NUMBER one i am an, attractive man okay
with women have loved ME since i was sixteen.

Speaker 1 (01:58:23):
Years, old well, you know you should give those women.
A call you should give those non tattooed women. A call, Bottom,
line larry what's it? Gonna be let me just, ask
you what's it? Gonna be.

Speaker 12 (01:58:36):
What's what? Gonna?

Speaker 1 (01:58:37):
Be, Linel, okay larry have a. Nice day call. Me
again eight hundred and eight four eight nine two. Too
two let's Go to let's Go to let's Go to
Sam In. New, jersey sam you're on another Side of Midnight.

Speaker 15 (01:58:49):
With, Lionel yeah i'm not.

Speaker 14 (01:58:52):
A lawyer my information is off, the Internet but i'm
wondering about selective incorporation Of The, fifth amendment and then
also about the presidential assuming the signatures on the pardons
are are held to be, the presidents that they also
selectively incorporated as protections under one of.

Speaker 1 (01:59:11):
The amendments are you talking about incorporation? By reference is
that what? You're, SAYING well i.

Speaker 14 (01:59:18):
Don't know there's some cases that the internet has talked
about that.

Speaker 1 (01:59:21):
What is your what is? Your? Concern amendment but what
are you talking? About?

Speaker 14 (01:59:25):
INCORPORATION yeah i was, Thinking, that well you Know The
fifth amendment of protection is supersedes the.

Speaker 7 (01:59:35):
State, law no they can't.

Speaker 14 (01:59:38):
Say that, you know you can't Use The fifth amendment
to defend yourself against. STATE law, i, Guess.

Speaker 1 (01:59:43):
Yes no you can't incorporated. With it it is incorporated
by Reference The. Fifth amendment incorporation, in essence is it
kind of A partial i guess application Of the fifth
and it applies to state governments through the due process
clause Of The. Fourteenth amendment this is a corporation. By,
reference yes.

Speaker 7 (02:00:02):
Does the Signature the president's signature on a pardon?

Speaker 10 (02:00:06):
Is that is that incorporated also as a protection.

Speaker 1 (02:00:09):
Federal own, you know federal only federal laws only.

Speaker 10 (02:00:13):
Federal laws, oh okay, ALL right i just was curious.

Speaker 7 (02:00:17):
About that thank you. Very much it's an.

Speaker 1 (02:00:19):
EXCELLENT question i. Appreciate that eight hundred and eight four,
eight nine two. To two this is incorporation. By reference
this is When The, supreme court in a series, of
cases found which Of the Bill of rights apply to
the state and they Use the privileges and the immunities
clause section Of The. Fourteenth amendment and the SIMILAR case
i Believe was Barren, against baltimore and it's kind, of

(02:00:41):
boring but it does apply for the most part to
state governments as well As federal let's Go to Lenny In.
Westchester county you're on another side of Midnight With Lionel.

Speaker 4 (02:00:55):
High lionel your your unbelievable lookor call is guy?

Speaker 12 (02:01:01):
That?

Speaker 4 (02:01:01):
GUY larry, i mean who knows what the tattoos?

Speaker 8 (02:01:05):
Look?

Speaker 6 (02:01:05):
Like?

Speaker 4 (02:01:05):
Too right she could have had? A tattoo why? Are you,
you know who knows what those tattoos? Look like but
let me ask you.

Speaker 1 (02:01:13):
A question let me ask you a question just for.
A second i personally find a lot of tattoos to
be disgusting and vile and low rent and you know
that sort. Of thing BUT if i meet somebody who
is a Woman And i'm i'm getting along, with, spiritually
intellectually WHATEVER am i going to really? BE that, i

(02:01:35):
mean there's? A tattoo inc gonna really be that much of,
a problem especially when they are so, Ubiquitous today it's
not even it's not, you know maybe in the in
the forties it might have been. A problem what are
you in? The? Circus lady what? Is it but think?
About this isn't? That sad they are so for for
that to, BOTHER you, i mean and if it, does

(02:01:56):
bother you do yourself in this lady of favor and,
just say you, know what maybe some other, time anyway
let me talk, to.

Speaker 12 (02:02:01):
Me.

Speaker 4 (02:02:01):
Sir sure and plus when you're talking to, THE woman,
i mean if there's tattoos on her knuckles and her neck,
and EVERYTHING and, I mean i mean have to give.

Speaker 9 (02:02:10):
Away too, but.

Speaker 4 (02:02:11):
Anyway first, of all WITH the uh suicide patient committing
suicide because they're in pain in some of, the day they're,
Terminally ill i'm sure the insurance company is are loving
this because they're off the hook with all the medications
and the turn treatments that would be obviously used and built,

(02:02:32):
to them and they'll they'll get off the hook. With
that so i'm'll be surprised if they're behind curt. Number
one but getting back to what you were talking, about
before because your show, is organic it just evolves. From,
itself YES the am, signal goes goes through the, universe
people but we.

Speaker 1 (02:02:52):
Don't know so interesting you, Say this we don't know
where it's going, to go and it's. So interesting somebody
will say Something and, i'll think you, know what. That's
good let's go in, that direction and it allows ME
because i have kind of a sort of a like
a template OF what i want to, talk about but
not really because sometimes the callers, provide something as in

(02:03:13):
that last That Last. Troubled soul, but anyway what do
you think? About this i'm curious. About you you're, my
guest you're. My expert what do?

Speaker 4 (02:03:23):
You, think, well first it's pretty the, OTHER guy i
think he was A professional. Bb buster THAT'S what i thought.
He was, BUT anyways, i believe like like The Movie,
the blob the Way the blob just kept going and
taking over and as a KEY that i probably sure
you watched. The movie you didn't even know It was
steve McQueen in, the movie it just takes all the life.

(02:03:44):
Of Itself but i'm more fascinated by people who are
able to just Come, into America Like mommy tommy is
like and he's a citizen for, seven years he's been
mayor of The biggest don't people get a little suspicious?
Of that people that the people who run this country
want the? Country invaded don't they? Understand that and they're

(02:04:06):
blaming a bunch of. College Kids the America is china's
Version Of Saturday.

Speaker 9 (02:04:12):
Night live who?

Speaker 1 (02:04:13):
Is blaming who is blaming? College?

Speaker 18 (02:04:15):
Kids oh if you listen to these, twelve Shows these
republican or, conservative posts they beat their chest like a
gorilla when they, say it so oh more Than.

Speaker 4 (02:04:26):
The brits high school college kids or going from. The
communists and they're voting the men, and everything and they're
doing that to protect the Invasion. Of america protection of
the invasion is the most, important thing. You know do
you Believe like clomo ran and So did mandani and
the two of them combined got like ninety percent of

(02:04:47):
foreign vote to foreign Vote In New. York city that's not.
A coincidence that is something they've done. By design, the
people the corporate political establishment wants the, country invaded.

Speaker 2 (02:04:59):
So they how?

Speaker 13 (02:05:00):
Do you.

Speaker 1 (02:05:02):
How do you? Correct this how would you? CORRECT this.

Speaker 4 (02:05:06):
I really believe if you listen to some of the
call as, they.

Speaker 1 (02:05:10):
Now how would you forget? The callers how Would you
i've just selected you theoretically on my in my cabin to?
Correct this what would?

Speaker 4 (02:05:19):
YOU suggest i would suggest that the legal immigration is
ed stop cold foreign countries are put. On notice you
send your people to this country and you have to open,
your prisons and they've murdered people like that beautiful girl Down.

Speaker 1 (02:05:37):
In georgia lak, you said you said legal immigration should. Be,
Stopped mom donnie has been in this country since he
was seven in nineteen ninety eight or whatever, it was,
All right so so he didn't just get here whatever.
He was he was seven. Years, old okay so at
least has. Been here whatever, that is whatever, that means
what would? You do you want to? Stop immigration no, more, immigration, period, none,

(02:06:01):
nobody legal, not legal, doesn't matter, you know no.

Speaker 4 (02:06:05):
More immigration we've been the most generous in. The world
we're still Take the managine.

Speaker 1 (02:06:10):
My question imagine. My question you're saying under, your rule, no, immigration, none, legal.
Illegal nothing is that what?

Speaker 4 (02:06:18):
You're saying no legal, immigration stopped cold illegal? Immigration stop.

Speaker 6 (02:06:25):
What will?

Speaker 9 (02:06:25):
That do will that will basically?

Speaker 11 (02:06:27):
Help?

Speaker 9 (02:06:28):
Us?

Speaker 4 (02:06:29):
Uh not people use the. WORD assimilation i don't think
if you Go, To, deaborne michigan if you go to
certain Neighborhoods In new.

Speaker 1 (02:06:35):
York, cites okay let me ask. You something, somebody again
you're talking about. Something else if SOMEBODY says i will
go through, THE process i will wait or whatever, IT
is i will take, THE oath i will take, THE
test i, will swarm, be Sworn and i'm a. Legal
immigrant you're saying that those people who do this have

(02:06:56):
the same propensity or tendency to be subversive and to
seek ill against our country as opposed to somebody who just,
sneaks in somebody who becomes a. Legal immigrant, you're thinking
this is what we've got to. Worry about and by,
the way somebody who comes to this country and let's
assume they are a member. Of society let's say to,

(02:07:17):
a family and you know they just like your relatives
and mind and. Everybody else's is that what. You're Saying what.

Speaker 4 (02:07:23):
I'm, saying is if you look at, the exhibit Any
man danny. Is illegal beaumart. Is legal to leave is
legal inside?

Speaker 1 (02:07:31):
This country going To Ask, Bernie Sanders bernie sanders Is
as american as you, Can Get brooklyn borne and he
is he IS of i guess Left Or. Democratic socialists
what do we do? With him there are people who
believe this Who are. American born this is not a
foreign invasion type. Of thing there are people who believe

(02:07:53):
in whatever it is that they. Believe it what do
you do?

Speaker 4 (02:07:55):
With, That Well bernie sanders would be. A, minority game
he'd be in this country talking with. His hands he's,
a millionaire owns, five homes but he'll be. A minority
you can't keep building up and sending in voters. And
reinforcements a million legal coming in every year. They're voting
how do you think You.

Speaker 1 (02:08:12):
Aboard, michigan okay, THANK you i have a, nice day, My,
Friend lenny thank you. SO much i there's Sometimes and
i'm not trying to be, rude here but when somebody
speaks in a circular stream over and, or like that's
not what. We're saying that's not. The issue let me
ask you a. Real question what is. The problem do

(02:08:35):
you think democratic socialism or whatever this is we. Have
had let me tell. You something the, radical left if
you want to use the term of the sixties WITH
eighty a And and Bruce And bill ayres and, weather underground,
WITH bombs i mean THEY were i mean THIS was

(02:08:55):
sds and this today is. A eh granted they're They're
dearborn michigan In The. United states In The, United states
Let's Assume staten island decided on its own, to infiltrate
to infiltrate hypothetically every level of Government With, ITALIAN americans

(02:09:21):
I mean italians people who Maybe they're english is not,
so great but They're from naples or all over The.
Base rome we have we We. Have italians and then the,
next thing, you know everywhere you go They're speaking italian
and they're on the city council and they're on the,
school board And these, Italians everywhere oh. My god and
then we start seeing the Get the italian flag is,

(02:09:42):
like no wait. A minute then We've Got georgia. Maloney
references next thing, you know they start just taking over
like you, cannot believe but, you, see yeam But. They're
italian well we we kind of we kind Of like italian.
Doesn't matter could? That, happen sure it. Could happen is

(02:10:03):
there anything that could? Prevent? That, no no unless you
have some kind OF a i, don't know, some rule
some rule that says if you can pass some. Authenticity
test you see the problem that, we HAVE and i
want you to understand this is that we live. With,
freedom okay we have freedoms and the freedom to Be

(02:10:29):
an american and the freedom to extol the virtues of.
Our constitution is the freedom to destroy. Our culture are
you according, to you maybe not, to me maybe not.
To others, saving with we have constitutional protections and you
can do things in this country that there is no,

(02:10:55):
provision against, for example and it works. Both Ways. ANTHONY
scalia i was watching a number of his, different LECTURES
and i think it. Was lawrence which one? Was it,
but anyway this is the gay marriage or sod, TO
me i get, them confused sought to. Me statue and
there is no protection in the constitution for, homosexual activity

(02:11:16):
sought to me whatever you want to. Call, it, none,
None none there is no, Protection none but there is
nothing that protects you, against it either that make. Any
sense there is nothing that prevents you or from or

(02:11:36):
allows you from keeping these. Folks away but it doesn't
necessarily mean if you were to pass the statue by
the same joke that says that this that gay marriage
is against, the law if that's what you wanted, to
do there may not necessarily be a constitution of protection,
against that unlike Loving. Against virginia not because we don't care,

(02:11:58):
about this but the constitute she doesn't speak. To it
So what i'm trying to, say is when you Become,
an american, get ready because the kind of you know
what that you've got to tolerate is give. An example
a friend of mine Lives, in williamsburg very very, YOU

(02:12:20):
know i almost, said yuppie but you Know what i'm,
talking about kind of, a tech kind of. A lefty
she can stand that people are walking around constantly with
either his jobs or not burker's that's the. Wrong term
but women head to toe. In black, he goes this isn't.

(02:12:42):
My country we got to do something, about this. Is
it how are you going to pass a law that
says that the person cannot, wear this cannot, wear this
especially if they claim religious reasons. For it and we
have the free exercise clause Of The. First, amendment remember

(02:13:03):
our country is so free that we are filled with
some of the stupidest laws and the stupidest protections that
allow us to do some of the stupidest. Things AVAILABLE
and i, TOLD her, i said how are. You listen
i'm the SAME way i get personally, speaker say, OH
no i don't want some three o'clock in, the morning
some call to prayer Like in dearborn. OR wherever i don't.

Speaker 12 (02:13:25):
Want that This.

Speaker 1 (02:13:27):
Is america We, speak english and. WE don't i don't
know how to deal. WITH this i don't care, FOR
this i don't. WANT this i don't, want THIS but
i can't. STOP it i Can't, say okay, the constitutions okay,
for you but. Not you wait. A minute what there

(02:13:50):
ARE people i know, WHO say i don't want to
live in a town THAT has x amount of, black,
People okay and there are people who. Believe this there
might be black people who may feel the same way about,
white people or PEOPLE say i don't want to Live
with jewish People or. Islami people you can. Say that

(02:14:13):
that's the freedom. You have you can say whatever, you
want you can believe anything. You want you can move anywhere. You, can.
Okay fine the problem is as, A government i don't
KNOW if i can limit black folks or white Folks.
OR italians i can't.

Speaker 8 (02:14:30):
Do That.

Speaker 1 (02:14:32):
That's america we sign on. To this we got this.
Damn constitution look At The. First amendment what it allows you?
To say oh, my god what? ABOUT that i don't
know what we've been. Through this Remember When, tipper gore
when we were worried. About suck it seem so, simple then,

(02:14:52):
so honest. SO innocent i, Should Say, first amendment what
are you. Gonna do let's go, to uh let's go
do a Mike In south carolina year on another Side
of Midnight.

Speaker 9 (02:15:04):
With, Lionel, Hello, lionel yes just got got through to you.
In time, YOU know i got to tell You something
i've been listening, in many. Many years. You know the
guy to called just before what was? His name but
he was always See, From MANHATTAN so i think he
Thinks him cibyl like five, different personalities. You, know uh

(02:15:25):
but those are some of the callers.

Speaker 6 (02:15:27):
YOU.

Speaker 9 (02:15:27):
Get u you were talking About The catholic Church And,
catholic school and we spoke, About, THAT lionel i was there, twelve.

Speaker 15 (02:15:35):
Years.

Speaker 9 (02:15:36):
Okay Uh and I'll never i'll never contribute a dying
To The. Catholic church why? Is, that well your diocese
are closing left?

Speaker 1 (02:15:45):
And, right okay why?

Speaker 8 (02:15:48):
Is that?

Speaker 9 (02:15:49):
You know why is that because of some deviant, uh
yeah some. Deviant. Priest YEAH and I don't i don't
paint with a. Broad brush but when when the buses were,
coming in, you know the illegal aliens and planes were
landing and the cover, of darkness who's picking?

Speaker 1 (02:16:08):
For That The?

Speaker 9 (02:16:08):
Catholic church, So no i've seen it all well.

Speaker 1 (02:16:14):
In, some respects in. Some women in, some respects there
Were The, catholic church by, the, way then is Not The. Catholic,
church now there was a time in this country when
when parishes and dioceses in the fifties, and sixties when
they really this. Is, TRUE now i know this, sounds
weird but when they did not understand what this. Attraction

(02:16:37):
was and plus they're in the business of of forgiveness
and confession. And reconciliation so, they thought you know what,
we'll do let's kind, of well move these, parish priests
kind of like they moved the the The the orcas
and the killer whales. At SeaWorld, somebody kills, you know.
A trainer we moved. The enemy so later on they

(02:16:57):
realized this, is stupid and they also covered it up
in that pretty much is over much too it might be,
Too late so you're right. About that and there's a
lot of things that and that was at the that
was at the. Parish level Now The, catholic Church The Church,
saint Peter, The, vatican catholicism it's a different, story, altogether.

Speaker 9 (02:17:23):
Oh without without. A doubt but, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:17:28):
Make sure you differentiate.

Speaker 9 (02:17:29):
The, two, well, yeah yeah and it's it's not the
same as it. Once was.

Speaker 1 (02:17:36):
That's, true yeah remember.

Speaker 9 (02:17:40):
Member confession linel Bless, me FATHER for i have said it's,
quite profession, you know but, YOU know i send It Off.
Hail marys and our father is to last me.

Speaker 1 (02:17:50):
Three, lifetimes okay, but OKAY we're, I know i, appreciate
this and we're just we're just throwing a lot of
stuff out there and we're gonna be anecdotal and trying to.
Be COMEDIC and i have. Appreciate this my question to you,
is this do you believe in the Theology, of Catholicism The,
apostolic Church, the pope the. Whole bit i'm not going
to go To the, apostolic creator but do you believe

(02:18:12):
In The? Catholic church not, the diocese Not not father, you.
Know CALLAHAN but.

Speaker 9 (02:18:19):
I said i said to friends and cousins and, you,
know Listen The. Catholic church i'll always do?

Speaker 1 (02:18:28):
You believe i'm asking you. A question do you Believe?
In catholicism are You? A, catholic.

Speaker 9 (02:18:38):
Yes yes I'm. A, catholic okay.

Speaker 1 (02:18:41):
VERY good i am A start and what does? That
mean what does that mean if you don't go, to
church or don't, trust anybody or don't you don't have.
To donate but what does? That mean how do you
how do you exhibit and exercise? Your faith what do?

Speaker 13 (02:18:55):
You do what does?

Speaker 1 (02:18:56):
That mean.

Speaker 9 (02:18:58):
That means i'm still dedicated To The?

Speaker 1 (02:19:00):
Catholic church and what do you do to Show your
what do you do to show? Your dedication what do?

Speaker 9 (02:19:06):
You do it's in, My, Heart lionel WHAT can? I?

Speaker 15 (02:19:08):
Say it in?

Speaker 1 (02:19:08):
Your heart? My, heart, okay yeah it's in. Your heart it's.
PRETTY easy i mean it's. PRETTY easy i would venture
to say that that's, not enough because that's, like, saying,
LOOK honey i, Love you you're in. My heart you're just.
Never home you don't you, don't cooperate you're, you know

(02:19:29):
you don't pay. For anything but in, my, HEART honey i,
LOVE you i love. The kids i'm just.

Speaker 8 (02:19:33):
Not.

Speaker 1 (02:19:33):
There listen, You, know mike one of the one of
the hardest things, to DO and i find, this fascinating
is that everybody deserves to determine whatever it is that their,
faith is however they want to, phrase it however they
want to call whatever whatever they Want to, it's fine
But what i'm saying is is that it gets such a,

(02:19:55):
bad rap it gets such A and i'm a, retired
guy so it doesn't really matter me one way or.
The OTHER but i want you to understand is differentiate
between that which happened here in, this country because, remember
something the Majority In, south america where the where the
Plurality of, CATHOLICS are i mean the, huge percentages they didn't,

(02:20:18):
have this and there are People at rome was, excuse
me That's an. American problem we didn't have. This here
this wasn't endemic or Inherent. In catholicism that Was an,
american thing Not, in Ecuador, in spain Or. In, italy
here so keep in MIND that i think you so
much please call me against her eight hundred and eighty

(02:20:40):
four eight nine two. Two two we always like to
see things from our point, of view from Here. From
america remember the question they asked years ago who was
the greatest athlete of? All time the Greatest and americans
Would Say muhammad Ali Or. Babe ruth the world, would Say.
Pelei ah you see how we only see things through

(02:21:03):
the eyes of our particular prism eight, eight four eight
nine to two two more coming up on another Side
of midnight with.

Speaker 5 (02:21:11):
Me, a linel the other Side of Midnight with lionel
On The Red Apple. Podcast Network.

Speaker 1 (02:21:29):
The Great Mono debango Ladies and gentlemen un. Being believable this,
Is incredible still one of. My favorites this reminds me from.
HIGH school i love this mona ya ya amna ya.
YA nkos i have no idea what. This means it,
might be it might be vile FOR all, i know,

(02:21:54):
my friends we are getting into the. Last vestiges the
last such. Is this let's go back to, The phone
let's Go to let's Go to Robert In. North carolina
you're on another Side of Midnight. With, Lionel.

Speaker 4 (02:22:07):
Hi lionel?

Speaker 1 (02:22:08):
The, solution.

Speaker 4 (02:22:11):
Okay us, our problem, our problems of our?

Speaker 1 (02:22:20):
Problems problem what is our problem?

Speaker 19 (02:22:24):
With commedies.

Speaker 10 (02:22:26):
Who is that arrest all?

Speaker 8 (02:22:29):
The commedies.

Speaker 1 (02:22:32):
How do we articulate who is? A? Comedy sir.

Speaker 19 (02:22:36):
By their words and, their actions they are to Overthrow
The united States. Of america.

Speaker 1 (02:22:45):
What about somebody who is a communist who loves this
country but wants to peacefully convert it? To communism and Ha's?
Been america perhaps maybe even a veteran. Pays taxes there's
This Pesky first. Amendment thing what do we do. About
that we can, try them try them, under, what sir court?

Speaker 19 (02:23:08):
Of?

Speaker 1 (02:23:09):
Law okay and what will be charged? Them with.

Speaker 19 (02:23:13):
The ones that, aren't citizens conspiracy to Overthrow The united States,
of america the ones they would, have said we can also, add, Treason.

Speaker 1 (02:23:24):
Okay but they would say, to you and by, the,
way treason as, you know is giving aight or comfort
to the enemy or somehow. Doing something There's This first
amendment problem in. This country as, you know in, these
seventies we allowed in the City of Skokie the clan
to march. In parade this is, the clan And The

(02:23:45):
supreme court was pretty clear about the fact That Our
first amendment allows us the ability to espouse things which
are well not. Necessarily popular how do you tell somebody
that they are not able to Utilize The first amendment
and to establish or to espouse communism if they're not,
hurting anybody threatening, The overthrow they're just saying this IS

(02:24:08):
what i think. Makes sense how would you arrest them
and Violate the constitution in some type of free? Speech
tyranny how would.

Speaker 8 (02:24:16):
You, do?

Speaker 12 (02:24:17):
That sir that's.

Speaker 19 (02:24:18):
A protest this goes well.

Speaker 12 (02:24:20):
Beyond protests what is?

Speaker 1 (02:24:23):
A protesterer what they DID, In.

Speaker 19 (02:24:26):
Scopei, Illinois, no no you want.

Speaker 1 (02:24:29):
To arrest somebody who is a communist and somebody who espouses,
Who says i'm, A communist i believe in, you know whatever,
it is the, communist manifesto whatever the particular, you know
centralized ownership of production and means blah. Blah blah so
when they, say that let's say they're a, College professor
let's say they're just they're just they believe this and

(02:24:51):
they're not. Hurting anybody you want to arrest them just for,
saying that just for. Thinking that.

Speaker 9 (02:24:59):
It's not just.

Speaker 12 (02:24:59):
That, that, no no you're.

Speaker 1 (02:25:01):
Saying, communist no a communist has nothing to do with overthrowing.
The country there's nothing to do. With this but if
you want the country to convert, to communism albeit kind
of stupid, you're saying you would have. Them arrested isn't
that so talitarian? It self isn't that's what we would

(02:25:22):
have in a, communist country as you. Would believe you
want to arrest people because they're thinking something that you.
Don't like they're, thinking it they're not. Doing anything they're just, thinking.

Speaker 20 (02:25:31):
It, they're saying, they're writing they're just doing things to overthrow.
This country what are, they, Doing sir they are what
are using and overtaking the political. Process now but.

Speaker 1 (02:25:46):
That's not overthrowing. The country that's exercising their right to
change the course of. The country, my friend you have,
a great. Glorious day thank you so much for. Your
tempting by, the way we need to hear people. Like that,
WE really i don't know if it's on, the level
but it's important that we understand what people like that,
sound like, because remember Being an american citizen, is tough

(02:26:09):
being able to grant freedom and, then, Say okay i'll
grant you the freedom to say and, think things but
don't go. Too far make sure it doesn't in any
way disagree with my. Particular vision in, Any Event, Nature Boy,
bill lee, Thank, you jackson, Thank you thank you. So much,
my friends please follow me on YouTube At linel nation

(02:26:32):
and on X At linel media until. NEXT week i
leave you with, these words, my Friend, this Valedictory this
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Speaker 8 (02:26:43):
That dead

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