Another Side of Midnight With Lionel - Digital World Safety, New Ruling of the Luigi Mangione Case and More !!!

On Todays Program on Other Side of Midnight With Lionel, His Breaks-Out With an Early Hour Segment With Lynn’s Warriors, Regarding Child Safety and Digital Predation. To Which Lynn Warns Parents About the Dangers of AI and Unmonitored Technology in Classrooms, Specifically Criticizing Platforms Like Roblox and I-Ready for Potentially Exploiting Student Data. Throughout the Show Talks Lionel About the Recent Ruling on the Luigi Mangione Case. And Much More to Come !!!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's another side of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
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Speaker 4 (00:48):
Need not know, I need another side of midnight. I'm
not going to tell you which one. You got to
figure that out for yourself. Ah, the sound of the landline.

Speaker 5 (01:02):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
One of the things which I'm so proud of is
that I have not abandoned a landline here in New
York City because you just need them. And guess what
it has a two point two area code. How about that?
It's something my friends, I'm so glad you are with us.

(01:23):
Will be here until five a m. Eastern time. This
is how we spend our weekend. And I'm so glad
that you again are here, provided you are here. If
you're not here, I'm deeply angered and rebuffed by your absence.
What I normally do is we start off with a

(01:43):
piece of kind of an introduction, and then right around
twenty or so after the hour, we will normally bring
on my wife Lynshaw from Lyn's Warriors to bring you
up to speed as to what's going on. But in
a little bit of a programming change this weekend. In fact,

(02:05):
let's see if the incredibly talented, the lovely and talented
mister Bill Lee can fire up this. I always like
to tell Bill at the last minute major changes, which
is it's good to keep him on his toes because
because Bill always says challenge me, he doesn't remember saying that.
But that's the music. It is Warrior weekend, and we

(02:29):
have so much to discuss. No, I love that music.
That's a right, my friend. This is Warrior Weekend. I
normally we'll start off at you know, twenty or so,
but we've got we cannot wait because so much is

(02:50):
going on this week and I want to bring you
and make you aware of it. Our guests always is
my beloved wife Lynn Shaw from Lynswarriors dot Org, Lind's
war on YouTube and Lynn's Underscore Warriors on X. This
is well, I don't even know what today. This is
an absolute cacophony of news stories, a veritable endless may lounge,

(03:13):
a meriad, a mosaic of critical stories regarding child predation
and the like. And I bring to the to the
to the microphones right now, my wife, the lovely and
talented also Lynd Shaw from Lynz Warriors WiFi, Welcome back.

Speaker 5 (03:27):
Good morning, Linel, thank you so much. I mean, this
has been a blockbuster week, and I want everybody to
think about this. Wake up America because so much is
happening surrounding our kids, surrounding our families that everybody's got
to start getting I'm bored. The days of sitting on
the sidelines are over. It's a brand new world and

(03:48):
people have to wake up because our precious kids. There
really is a war on for our children. There is
no denying this. They're being hit Linel, from every angle.
And I know people are busy, and that's what predators
count on. When everybody is busy and not paying attention,
they can move right in there. But our kids, remember, everybody,

(04:09):
precious adults, precious American leaders, this is what's happening today.
They are really under the gun of all of this predation.
So we want to make everybody aware of what's happening.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
Now, let's also do this because just to bring people
up to speed, there are so many avenues of this.
There's of course, what's going on in the world. There's AI,
there's big tech, there's legislation, there's government. There's this sluggish,
if not torpid, a non movement of government. And also
there are also some wonderful people, by the way, who

(04:44):
are helping out tremendously. So let's just take it from
any angle. I don't want to direct you. What do
you think? And this is so important? What do you think?
Where should we start off with? What you consider to
be critical?

Speaker 5 (04:58):
Listen, this is back to school time. I think that
is a good point to jump off from, because, like
you said, there is so much happening, and what people
do they do become too overwhelmed, so they close their eyes,
they shut the door, they don't want to dress anything. Okay,
so we have to break it down. So let's start
with the back to school time. But basically this week
I was thinking about it and it's you know, kids

(05:20):
are moving. It's faster and faster into this digital and
dangerous world, much faster, and something I learned from you.
I mean, as a lawyer, you know, the law lags
behind technology. So the kids are moving into this dangerous
world of AI. Now it's in the schools and it's
moving faster than parents than we have the warriors, than institutions,

(05:42):
you know, protecting them can even keep up with. So
we've got to break it down. It's back to school time,
and right now it is a good time for you
to review the top of the school year. What's happening
in your child's classroom? When I say child, you know
this includes kids in high schoo Well, this includes your
kids go to college. I know it's more difficult when

(06:03):
the kids are older, but you've got to have that
conversation with them about technology in the classroom. You have
every rate as this parent or caregiver go in, you know,
try to get some of your friends other parents go
in and ask, you know, what kind of technology will
be in the classroom, how many hours a day will

(06:23):
my child be on the technology? What is expected of them?
What are the programs? Because I am tired of hearing
the beginning of every school year, and last year was bad.
This year is worse. Okay, because some schools Florida just started,
Georgia started first. Here in New York, we go back
in two weeks. Parents usually get a list and you know,
parental consent to use these platforms. And last year in

(06:48):
New York it was like thirty one thirty one platforms
line up, But what they don't tell you those thirty
one platforms. Your child is open to other platforms using
these platforms. If this makes sense to you, you know,
again it's opening the world to them. So we've got
to find out exactly what's going on in the classroom,

(07:08):
what our children will be doing. But again, you can
do all of this to be honest, because that is
what we are. We give the truth at the Warriors.
You've got to start in your home. You've got to
start the discussion with your child. It's got to be
a family discussion. You've got to include your children, make
them a part of it. Kids don't want to be
told don't do this, don't do this, d d DA.

(07:30):
You've got to just talk to them. The kids are
very smart, very savvy.

Speaker 6 (07:34):
What are.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
In case somebody doesn't understand, what exactly are we talking about?
What are these items? What are the what are the
real specific worries and fears that you're highlighting here? What
in particular, I'm.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
Highlighting that we have learned so much about the online world,
about the internet, from studies, from doctors, from from just themselves,
from parents. Right, Remember, parents are the first line of defense.
Now I say that a lot, but I have to
tell you something nobody really brings up. What about all

(08:10):
the kids out there that don't have right really parents
watching them. That's always what are we going to do
with all these kids? So they end up perhaps in schools.
So we have teachers. Now the teachers are reporting, and
here where we are in New York City, New York State,
the teachers are very confused. Now they're not going to

(08:32):
say this out loud pretty much because they have their jobs, right,
their jobs are at stake, their livelihood about all of
this technology that they've been forced to put in the
classrooms told they're using it. And also AI. Nobody understands
about AI in the mid.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
Now now, absolutely not.

Speaker 5 (08:53):
Look several years ago, overall the public school education system
in the United States was so the bill of goods.
It sounded good at the time. We want to put chromebooks,
which are from Google. We're gonna put millions of them
in the classrooms. We're gonna give every child this tablet
and it will help them. They won't have to carry textbooks,

(09:15):
they'll have the knowledge at their fingertips. It'll be great.
Now we've learned anything. But that was the beginning of
technology replacing not only the textbook, the notebook, the pen
and the pencil, the actual teacher, the human being in
front of the classroom that can read a child better
than a computer. So now we're down to I mentioned

(09:38):
thirty one different platforms in New York that parents were
checking off last year. We'll see what it is this year.
And those platforms include things like Roadblocks, which we the
Warriors have talked about extensively. It's a gaming app. Okay.
Now the problem is on all of these platforms, the
chromebooks were put into class cssrooms with no guardrails. Google

(10:02):
could have easily, you know, put safety by default on
these millions of devices.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
And they need what kind of safety? Give us an
idea of some of the safety. What they could have done.

Speaker 5 (10:13):
They could have turned off certain you know you r
l's and things like that, so a child did not
have access. Oh you have your chromebook, Okay, you can
also go on. This is an example. I could also
access OnlyFans. Do you see how simpleness would have been
if they would How about you know, I was speaking
to somebody yesterday. Let me break this down a little bit.

(10:33):
In the justice system, I'll say, and she could not
you know, you could only use certain things on the computer,
you know, certain websites, certain you URLs. You can't access everything. Right,
this person was telling me why didn't we put you know,
in front of children, and we're talking now. Computers are
in the classrooms k through twelve. Why would listen? Why

(10:58):
would kids in kindergarten need computer? Why would kids? You know,
there's different consensus on this. Why would any kids, you know,
before seventh to eighth grade, maybe for computer science, maybe
to learn some coding, having a you know, you know,
a technology class. I'm saying it's replacing the human teacher,

(11:19):
the teachers in some school A lot of schools actually
reporting back to me, My warriors on the ground across
the country are now managing you know, the digital footprint
of each child in the classroom. They have the teachers
on their desk a big computer with all these little
boxes with each child's name, because those children are engaging

(11:39):
all a lot. Most of their academics are done online.
Do you hear what I just said? The teachers managing
the computer on their desk and each child is a box.
You know. There is a program used very widely called
I Ready in the classrooms and that is a programs

(11:59):
a four billion dollar company we know about, and it's
put out by a company called Curriculum Associates, and it
assesses a child's reading in mathematics and then tailors their
academic program. Or it sounds good. The problem is when
you have something like that, how can a machine really

(12:21):
think about this read a child? It's not a human.
Now the teachers are stuck managing this. I ready, that
is replacing hours a day in the classroom. However, there's
a lot of pushback right now. There's a major lawsuit
going on with a lot of parents because I ready
allegedly is being accused. This is a prime example being

(12:43):
accused allegedly, I want to say again of taking your
children's data. All their information takes second grade and this
computer now has to break it down, all this information
about your child. Maybe your child has trouble reading, maybe
your child has something cognitive. It's storing it somewhere, and
we know today AI is scraping all of the Internet

(13:05):
and putting it in these data centers for who knows what,
and it's you knoweonholding your pigeonholding your child about their
capabilities and then the information so they've been accused of
now hear this, accused allegedly of selling off your child's
information to third parties that you so you did not

(13:25):
ever consent to that happening. You have consented to I
ready to be used as an educational tool in the classroom.
But now everybody's taking a much deeper look at I ready,
because it is all over and again taking up the
time of the human the teacher. The teachers are very frustrated. Again,

(13:45):
these are their jobs, their livelihood. They don't know what
to do about it, and now they're all reporting. We
keep hearing about we have to use AI. Nobody has
given us a clear picture of what exactly this AI means.
Nobody has educated us. We're talking to teachers, now what
is this AI? Nobody has educated the parents about what

(14:07):
is this AI in the classroom. So certainly now I
bet anything like it I ready, there will just be
some sort of AI program thrust upon the teachers, rest
upon the kids. There's also something academically across the United States.
Kids in America are there failing reading since man, it's
the sad mber, So the computer will not empower them, Lionel,

(14:29):
it made them academically so much worse off.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
Remember since AI and I've been talking about AI for
so long and AGI and everything, and that I still
I can hear in people's voices and their understanding of it.
They still don't grasp the notion of what it means.
It's not what you think. It is beyond this, and
they're also confusing chat GPT with the AI that we're
talking about. So what we're going to be talking about
this is that. And also, by the way, some good

(14:54):
news because the president, the President and this administration still
is doing some great stuff and great jobs regarding protecting children.
In fact, the ladies is at the President Trump and
his administration are targeting transnational cybercrime, sextortion and predatory schemes.
We're gonna be talking about that. We're talking to Lynn Shaw.

(15:15):
This is Warrior Weekend. This is the Lionel Show. Actually
this is called another Side of Midnight. We will return
with more with Lynshaw and more to protect your children
after this.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
It's another side of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
That's right, my friend. This is Warrior or weekend Warrior
with a line. This is also another side of Midnight.
My guess is my beloved wife lind Shaw and I
just background every single day. Every day she's on zoom calls,
she's talking to her friends in Washington, she's going down
to Washington, she is on she is on this at

(16:40):
every level you can imagine. And also you must follow
her on YouTube at Lyndna's Warriors. She did Oh my god,
this explain just just for example, the incredible work Darling,
you were doing with the the the Black Poster Project,
and others will talk about that, but just so many

(17:01):
parents out there. I don't think people realize how many
parents there have had their hearts broken for variety of reasons.
Would you mind just giving a shout out to that
incredibly important group.

Speaker 5 (17:14):
Now, are you talking about the Black Poster Project, which
is yes, yes, yes, Razz you know, let's talk about
this happening right here in the heart of New York
City Warriors. On August twentieth, it begins. We have a
national gathering and we do this every year in Times Square,
forty seventh Street, right Father Duffy Square, right right there, Okay,

(17:38):
And it started as a small event. It has grown.
August twenty first is National Awareness and Prevention for fentanyl. Okay, fentanyl.
Everybody is a poison Understand, it's not. We constantly read
in the media here in the media a lot we
was here. You know, fentanyl overdose. Okay, it is an

(18:00):
intentional poisoning. You Now, We at the Warriors, as you know,
are our great colleagues at the DEA Drug Enforcement Administration,
Frank Tarantino, he is quite frequently on the Cat's Roundtable
on Sundays, the John Katzmatidis talking about these issues. The
DEA and we work closely as well the Warriors with

(18:22):
Frank Tarantino and the whole team that are fantastic. This
is a gathering in Times Square open to the public. Remember, everybody,
awareness is key, that's the first step, and then education
equals prevention. Now, I just want to point out people
fight me on this, but I don't care because I
know this is the truth. I know from the work

(18:43):
of the DEA. The facts out there. Ventanyl now is
so cheap to produce, okay, that they're putting fentanyl in
most of the drugs, including marijuana. Everybody, because it extends
the product. It's cheap, right, And our kids are easily
buying drugs online. For instance, on snap you can buy

(19:06):
with two cliques that is the truth. Okay, So this
gathering basically the parents come together. It's called Fentanyl Facing
Fentanyl now and yp D comes. We've got you know,
the EMTs, We've got the DEA, and all these parents

(19:27):
flying from across the country, and we have our wonderful friends.
It's the saddest thing. It is called the Black Poster Project.
This mom from New York everybody, d Gillen, started this
after her son had fentanyl poisoning. Okay, so we're talking
also addictions, all of this. And she created just this

(19:48):
poster of her son with a black background, and then
some other parent came to her and said this happened
to my child as well, and d on her own
made another poster. This is how it this. The Black
Poster Project has grown into this incredible movement free of charge.
Of course, they take donations to to you know, it's

(20:09):
free for all the parents into thousands and thousands of
posters of dead family members, especially children from the addiction,
from the sentinel poisoning, and all of these parents come
together in Times Square. It is a tremendous gathering of
community but also of you know, handouts for the public

(20:33):
where else to go to get to the public the
middle of Times Square and it's covered by lots of press. Again,
it's that sense of community. And there's a press conference
that is Thursday at twelve thirty. The whole event starts
at eleven thirty am. Everybody is welcome. We want the
public there. We want you to bring your kids, because
the Black Poster Project, based out of New Jersey now

(20:55):
in New York, is traveling to all these schools and
hospitals and places worship with thousands of these posters, these
large posters okay, of dead children, family members. And last
year was the most heart wrenching. After the press conference,
everybody walks over to Saint Patrick's Cathedral Lionel. Every pew

(21:16):
was covered in Saint Patrick's everything you could love and okay,
And that is a major tourist spot, especially August this
time of year. You could hear a pin drop. Okay.
People walking in, different tourists from outside, they're like, what
is this and just their mouths open. I witness this, okay,

(21:37):
two years in a row now and just looking at
all of these and the pictures are always of when
the child, you know, the person is happy and there's
a little story under it is a way to honor, Okay,
and again we're doing that this year. So if you
go to Lyndzwarriors dot org you will see the map.
It is extended. We are doing events at Chelsea Piers.

(21:59):
We are doing an event in Central Park. It's a
two day event beginning August twentieth through twenty first. But
we want the public. The key to all of this
is honoring those lost, obviously, but these family members want
to educate the public that think of a pencil, the
little tip, that little black point of lead, right, just

(22:21):
a tip of it, just a tip of it, not
even the whole black point of a pencil. The tip
is enough to kill you. So kids buying from unknown sources,
you know, drugs online or somebody says, hey, I have
a friend, you know, take half of this pilly. You're anxious,
you have anxiety. We know of a story of two
teen girls. They split a pill in half. The one

(22:42):
girl died, the other didn't. Because these these cartel members,
a lot of it's coming from China, right the fentanyl
into Mexico coming up. Just think how cheap that is
and you're not.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
Dealing and all.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
And then they're throwing them like a dirty bowl here
mixing things up right, So one pill can have you know,
a concentration of of some of this spentinyl, you know,
on one side of it and not the other.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
It is the most Now stop for one second. Let
me remind everybody. We're talking to Lynshaw from Lynz Warriors
Lynz Warriors on YouTube, Lin's Underscore Warriors on x or Twitter.
I want to remind everybody, especially in view of Fauci,
if you dared dared either directly indirectly to sell promote

(23:32):
during the time of COVID media during the rona I've
emeted in hydroxy chloroguin, you would be not only would
you be crushed, your social media platform will be shut down.
Who knows think about that? Not basically something that was ameliorating,
something that was palliative, something that actually helped people. Now

(23:53):
keep that in mind. Somehow this vigilance was so.

Speaker 7 (23:59):
So a spot on.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
They can find you even spell that word out and
you'll be found out and crushed. However, the same people
when there are items, when there's when there are things
that are being sold to children and they are notoriously uh,
the the haven for this type of poison. There's no
there's there's nothing, there's no there's no even concern for this.

(24:24):
So I just want people to understand this, that that
fentanyl and all of that. It's here and we don't
know why. And by the way, let me just also say,
I don't think these kids are overdosing. Please never say
that they are poisoned. Now, as I said before, my darling,
this president is under attack from everybody you're going to imagine.
And one of the things that he never gets is

(24:46):
enough credit when it comes to how serious he is
about these things. In fact, you saw this upfront and
personal when you met with him and these family members.
Tell us about how the president is targeting a transnational
cyber crime and sextraoral should inmpredatory schemes. Because I think
this is something that needs to be really highlighted.

Speaker 5 (25:06):
Look, this should be a major headline, you know, a
real win. It is a win, but it's not really
being covered. It was just a couple of days ago
our President Trump put out this you know, it's called
National Security Presidential Memo Memorandum to be exact, Okay, empowering

(25:26):
something we have talked about at the Warriors extensively in
Albany in Washington, d C. Here's the key empowering federal
law enforcement to use every cyber tool available to disrupt
this transnational criminal These organizations that I just mentioned, we've
got the cartels, by the way, I'm digressing here for

(25:47):
a second of America because the cartels are working in
all fifty states and their target right now is our children. Okay.
They are also engaging American kids, specifically teenagers to carry
out their dirty deeds, that is trafficking their peers and
middle and high schools. People need to hear this, this

(26:10):
is the reality, and also dealing their drugs for them,
or getting kids engaged online to be drug dealers online.
So we're talking about, you know, transnational. So the President
will give every available resource because the one thing we
hear over and over from law enforcement across the country okay, well,

(26:31):
there are cyber programs that could disrupt. We could find
out where the sextortion schemes are coming from in other
countries and where these drug dealers are. Right, it would
take seconds with AI. Remember we are pro innovation, pro
technology at the Warriors, and we want to use it
for good. And this is using it I'm telling you

(26:51):
about for good. So this AI could pitch root out
where these criminals are in a matter of seconds, and
law enforcement will aways say, Lynn, we don't have the
money to buy the programs. I'm like, what shouldn't shouldn't
our government be giving you the money to target this
to keep our citizens safe because this is a national

(27:11):
security risk, all of this, Okay, And so now the
president has announced that he is going to give law
enforcement all the tools they need to disrupt all of
this and what that means specifically if we break it down,
look last year alone, twenty twenty five, it was something reported.
Now report it. Remember the numbers are always higher. That

(27:33):
Americans lost something like twenty one billion to these schemes
and scams online, right, so we know the numbers probably higher.
But for the warriors. We're talking specifically now about sextortion
where our teen boys are targeting. Okay, it's coming mostly
from other countries. We work with families, as you know,

(27:54):
who have lost their teenage sons to these sex stortion
schemes where they sink online, they're talked to, you know,
another fifteen year old girl and it turns out to
be a fifty year old man in for instance, Nigeria, okay,
and we can't. We we now can find that person
and we can bring them to the United States and

(28:14):
we can prosecute them. And criminals target Americans. Look, everybody
thinks this country is you know, paid, the streets are
paved with gold. They go after teenage boys because we
put our lives online, specifically the kids in It's not
the fault. I always like to say, I say to you,
you know, thirty and under. They've been born in the
digital bubble because kids put you know, where they go

(28:36):
to school, where they live, friends are I'm in basem
in this and again they're so smart. These criminals there
are always ten steps ahead.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
All of them.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
They're also born in captivity. These kids are born in captivity.
We're talking to Lynshaw from Lynzwarriors dot Org, Lynn's Warriors
on YouTube and Lynn's Underscore Warriors on Twitter or x.
I should say. Now a couple of things too in
this seventies. It was a phrase that came out before
obviously before this, and the phrase goes something like, if

(29:06):
the product is free, you're the product. When when when
AOL first came along and in different you know, Yahoo
or whatever. These these things were AOL. In particular, it
was all free. Hey, no problem, free take this. Nobody
ever charged for AOL, Nobody charged for anything because you
were the product. Now at the time, we were naive. Now,

(29:28):
remember something. If we did not have Let's assume I
could snap my fingers and I could, theoretically, this is
a thought experiment. If I could destroy all let's say
Wi Fi, and I could render every laptop, every iPhone
just disabled for let's say a week. Do you know

(29:49):
that all cyber crime, sextortion, predatory schemes would disappear because
the predators that we talk about today, they're not in
white vans. They don't snatch kids. I'm sure there are,
But what we're talking about is this device that your
school board gives your child, that you give your child.
This is the andre. If it wasn't for this, remember,

(30:12):
all of this would go away. These people are in Nigeria,
they're not coming over here, they're not flying over here.
The way they get to your kid is that little
seemingly innocuous chromebook or phone. That's what we're talking about.
And I don't think people really get it because they
look at this as kind of good and modern and

(30:34):
helpful it is, that is the portal, that is the communication, means,
that is the nexus between these horrible people and your children.
And I say it, and I realize people are saying,
oh my god, he's saying it again. Yes, because I
still don't think people grasp it. I don't think they
understand it.

Speaker 8 (30:52):
Now.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
May I add also something another big headline? When the
harm comes, can families fight back? Tell us about the
social media harm lawsuits that are moving forward that we
really have not seen up until now.

Speaker 5 (31:05):
Listen, Americans now have a chance to be in the
court system. Big tech has had a free run. They Again,
We've got to always explain this because people will say
to me on a daily basis, why is this allowed?
You know, why can't a child buy, you know, drugs
on snap and two clicks and things like that. Because

(31:25):
it goes back to nineteen ninety six. We call that
the birth of the Internet, when there were like two platforms, lineal.
And there's something called Section two thirty of the Communications
Decency Act, and it actually makes sense and it basically said, okay, uh,
two platforms, you can't be held responsible for third party content.

(31:48):
Would anybody posts on here? You cannot you know, being
nobody can sue you. It's like a news stand or
a billboard. Now that's thirty years ago. Why is that
still standing when we have platforms popping up every single
day in apps and gaming right and all this criminality
going on. There is a movement right now to sunset

(32:11):
section two thirty. We'll leave that for a minute, okay,
in Congress. But the criminals have figured out, not only
the criminals, let's just say big tech platforms. That argument
is always in court. They are shielded by section two
thirty of the Communications Decency Act. And just this past
week it's a tremendous headline. The courts allowed. Let me

(32:34):
break down this story here that the thousands upon thousands
of lawsuits against big tech can go forward. Now they're
not saying big tech is guilty, but these lawsuits involved
product liability, that they're putting out a product that is
harmful to children, based on we now have the children themselves.

(32:58):
What has happened. We have whistleblowers who have come forward
from these big tech companies. We have internal memos that
have been leaked and brought forward saying it's a product liability.
You are putting out a product that is harmful. I
want to repeat that because the argument in court, which
big tech always won was you know about what people

(33:20):
were saying and things like that. And just fairly recently
in the last year, it is now switched that you
can sue for this product being harmful. And we know
alone in California thirty three hundred cases pending can now
go forward. We know acrourse the United States there are

(33:42):
thousands and thousands of cases. And the floodgates opened when
back in March it started New Mexico, there was a
case that was one against Meta. You are putting out
a harmful product as well as sharing children's data information. Okay,
also in California, and just the other day judge in

(34:05):
New Mexico he called social media. He said, big Tech,
you are a public nuisance. This is on records. In addition, no,
he did. In addition, there was a judgment from back
in March again product liability for three hundred something millions.
This judge added on five hundred and sixty seven millions.

(34:26):
It's almost a billion dollars against Meta, which is Facebook
and Instagram what's app saying you're harming children and teens.
That's almost a billion in judgments. So the floodgates are open.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
But what and let me add something? May I add something?
Just as a lawyer? This is what's so critical about
this section two thirty. The meta folks thought we're covered
because that controls that the actual content and the actual
idea of section two thirty makes a little bit of sense,
because what it means is you cannot have something if

(35:01):
you are able to be Let's say you have just
your AOL again, and somebody uses AOL your platform to
send let's say, defamatory messages. AOL cannot be held liable
as a quote publisher. It's not disseminating this, So that's okay.

(35:22):
As to content, here's what's interesting. The lawsuits that came
out as to these particular these platforms were not brought
because of the content. They were brought because of the design.
So imagine this analogy. We have a Second Amendment in
this country, and the Second Amendment prevents you or allows
you to a certain degree to possess firearms. However, you

(35:44):
can bring a lawsuit for the design of the web.
Let's say a weapon has a bad trigger design or
it goes off accidentally. Think of this as a child
safety cap on prescription medication. That that's all it is,
so mena And these folks didn't see this coming. Their

(36:05):
whole thing was they were so cocky because they thought
Section two thirty will protect us. But to reiterate, it's
not the content they're going after, it's the design. And
the design was specifically intended to go after into target kids.
And that's the difference.

Speaker 5 (36:21):
And I want to add something. I mean, why should
parents have to become plaintiffs, you know, after their kids
have been harmed? Big Tech has no accountability right now,
and this is the beginning of accountability. But that being said, Okay,
so we have all these lawsuits and we'll have thousands
more now that these again floodgates are open. Correct, Big

(36:43):
Tech hold them accountable. That's the whole thing here. So
why do the parents, again, after the children are harmed,
have to go to courts? Get in there before go
after Big Tech. Put some guardrails on them, put some
stop on them again, and think about this, they're just
still after the fact losses. We've got to get in

(37:05):
there before and hold big Tech accountable.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
Now some other things too, if I could. By the way,
you're talking to lynd Shaw from Lynz Warriors lynzwarriors dot
Org on YouTube. It's very important to go to YouTube,
follow her channel at Lynz Warriors and on x at
Lyn's Underscore Warrior Warriors. Let's talk about something, you know.
One minute. See, every time we turn around, there's somebody

(37:29):
that we thought was I don't want to say the enemy,
but we said, oh, those lefties or whatever. Richard Blumenthal
may not be a lot of people's favorites regarding some legislation,
but when it comes to what you're trying to protect,
he's been terrific, as was in many respects the late
Lindsay Graham and Amy Klobershaw and other people who might

(37:52):
again not necessarily match up issue for issue regarding all things.
But let's talk about Nike, Chryl and New Jersey. What
about their child safety laws and how impressive they have
been much to the surprise, the delightful surprise of many people.

Speaker 5 (38:11):
Well, this is a breaking headline, and I want to
touch on something you just mentioned. We at the Warriors,
we are able to critically analyze, Okay, we go where
good work is being done. What I mean, really wake
up America because so many people, you know, they'll they'll
come after me. For instance of Richard Blumenthal, who's done

(38:32):
terrific work alongside Senator Marshall Blackburn together with the Kids
Online Safety Act. Okay, we have to be able to
separate out, separate out the issues. Linel If somebody is
doing great work right, support them, be part of it.
People either go left, they go right, they go up,
they go down. They don't know. Stop being babies America
and go where the good work is and support that

(38:54):
good work. That is the only way we will create
difference and empower our kids. Governor Mikey Cheryl my beautiful
homestead of New Jersey. She said, listen, the Kids Online
Safety Act. There's a lot of chaos in Washington with
this right now. And we have been working on this
alongside again center of Mercial Blackburn, Center Richard Bloomdal going

(39:18):
on five years. Okay, we're at we're at the final
stretch right now. But I'll leave that for another time.
So she went ahead and she acted something called the
Kid's Code Act, and she said, you know what, they're
not gonna do it right now at the federal level.
There's chaos. I'm gonna gonna I'm gonna take the reins
here in New Jersey, and I'm gonna do something. And

(39:38):
she established this Kid's Code Act requirements for online platforms
relating to children's privacy and safety. So she put stronger
privacy and safety guardrail settings, restrictions on advertising, and she
expanded uh parntal controls have to be in place and
signed it into a law just the other day. With

(39:59):
those three important words, we talk about a lot, the
duty of care, that those big tech platforms have a
duty of care. And so this means look, passing a
law legislation does not ever mean the problem is solved.
It just doesn't. The real test here is will it
be implemented, will it be enforced? Will there be accountability?

(40:21):
But she also created this Kid's Code Act. This is
a great first step and she's being called on the
state of the New Jersey, the first state in the
nation to enact the toughest laws for big tech. Now,
this is really something that we should be talking about
and celebrating. And she also created a Council for Social
Media harms with young people. Remember, we want to get

(40:44):
our young people involved so they can talk to their peers,
bring their peers in, you know, educate the parents. Parents
have to be part of this. Adults have to be
part of it. I'm tired of that story. I didn't
grow up with with social media. You didn't, I didn't.
But it's part of our lives. It's not going away.
So we have to get control here. So she really

(41:04):
did a tremendous job. And you know what you know
will does actually change, you know, on your child's screen
or something. No, you have to parent up, you have
to be in charge. Parents are the first line of defense.
You have to take what we're talking about and really

(41:25):
use it in your own home and again talk to
your child. But for the State of New Jersey Governor
Mikey Cheryl, I mean, she really deserves a gold star.
She really wants to, you know, she stands up yes
and by the way in the tools, and she wants
to implement all these things. And we're hoping other states
now will follow along with her. It's really a great thing.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
In the last segment here, very very quickly, we have
one of two things, because there's just something that's why
we put you on early. You've got one of two choices,
young lady. You can talk about Disney meets TikTok or
we can talk about AI is already in the classroom.
Disney and TikTok, this is fascinating. What can you tell
us about that?

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (42:05):
I would have picked Disney and TikTok and the other
twenty five lines and life can be. But what happened
is they made an announcement Disney Plus. Remember everybody, we
think Disney, we think kids, we think children. Disney Plust
is at much mature, okay, one of their platforms, and
they announced this big splashy oh, Disney and TikTok, we're
going to form a partnership. And they announced Disney Plus,

(42:29):
we're gonna give away all our content for free. And you,
the public, you the kids teams, you can take our
content and you can create videos for us that we
will play on our channel. So what could go wrong?
Let's be clear, we're not talking about creativity, but when entertainment,
you know, and social media, you're putting more kids into

(42:51):
social media. You're putting more kids online, right, and kids
are becoming creators. It's almost child rabor for free.

Speaker 9 (42:59):
Right.

Speaker 5 (43:00):
Have to ask where are the boundaries again? You are
putting children online with strangers interacting. What is this content
that the kids are encountering on Disney Plus. Don't think
it's Disney you know the Kids channel. This is much
mature audience for Disney Plus. Not only that, again, we
talked about AI. It scrapes the Internet for content, right

(43:22):
who's collecting what your child's doing or teen's doing creating
this content with TikTok. Remember TikTok is one of the
top platforms that thirty and under use. And how are
you know what happens when entertainment becomes a gateway into
a much larger social media environment. So we're asking, you know,
it's not whether kids will be entertained. Who's protecting them

(43:44):
while they're with TikTok and Disney Plus and the strangers online?
And who's telling them their content is good or not
good enough? Again, we're putting more kids online than taking
them off. We want to get kids offline, not forever.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
Let me stop you right there. We want to thank you.
See I had more time and we still don't have
enough time. We're talking to Lynch Cham and my beloved
Lyncham from Lynzwarriors dot Org, lynch Lynn's Warriors on YouTube
and Lynn's Underscore Warriors on x or what we used
to call Twitter, my darling, you knocked it out of

(44:25):
the park. Thank you so very much. I love you.
We were talking again next week.

Speaker 5 (44:31):
My friend technology.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
Indeed, and coming up right now? What happened this week
that nobody's talking about? At least well for good reasons.
I'll explain on another side of Midnight with the Lionel.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
It's another side of midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
How ready, my friends linel with you? On another side
of midnight. There's a new number we have temporarily for
reasons I cannot explain, nor do I want to, But
perhaps I think, I think if you look at the
highest levels of the highest chambers, the highest echelons of
government may have mandated this. And that's all I can say.

(47:18):
Eight three three write this down eight three three nine
six nine four four four seven. What was that? Eight
three three nine six nine four four four seven One
more time eight three three nine six nine four four
four seven. This week the biggest stories to me, to

(47:43):
me were just unbelievable. What am I talking about?

Speaker 1 (47:49):
To wit?

Speaker 4 (47:51):
Yesterday there was a debate on line between Candice Owens
and a jadrool by the name of Andrew as I
call him Pickles. Wilson regarding the Tyler Robinson murder trial.

(48:14):
It was seen by millions and millions of people. People
stopped in the middle of the day on every platform.
I was glued all day. I was on my regular
Linel Nation YouTube channel. Everybody was watching this. It was
like something I've never seen before. It was like imagice,

(48:36):
kind of a mini FIFA, mini world series, but people
all over the world focused in on one subject. And
it was a debate that went on from like e
like four hours eleven to three four hours. It wasn't
really a debate in the classic sense. But for those

(48:59):
people who say kids today, it wasn't kids, by the way.
It wasn't that. It was older people, younger people. It
was a new how do I say this? It was
a new platform, a new group, a new focus, and
unless unless conventional media like CNN and others. It was

(49:20):
so funny this week when they were talking about basically
selling CNN to hope to get around some kind of
antitrust problem, which is not going to matter, but anybody
that is a critical we'll talk about that. The second
one is have you seen the story of Jason R. Day?
Do you know who he is or was Sadly, this man,

(49:42):
who was forty one years old, the youngest ever black
professor at the at Cambridge, was found dead, unresponsive. His
story was complete and total, and the words charts with bull, bovine, esta, excreeegia.

(50:06):
It is just the biggest lie. He didn't speak. Wait
did you see this? And Cambridge University Cambridge, who was
at the home of Newton. I mean they basically allowed
this because he was black, and he was autistic theoretically,

(50:28):
and the stories were he said he ran thirty marathons
in thirty five days. I mean you I But the
reason why it happened was they were so desirous of
making this story work that they looked the other way.
They just avoided all rational thought. Absolutely incredible. We'll be

(50:50):
talking about that and how we're still going over and
talking about this nonsense ab A gender assignment the like. Oh,
it's beautiful all. Coming up on another side of midnight
with Lionel write this number down eight three three nine
six' nine four four four. Seven i'm gonna say one

(51:11):
more time eight three three nine six nine four four
four Seven hour number. Two coming up on another side
Of midnight with A.

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Linel it's another side of midnight with LIONEL.

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(53:01):
three nine six nine four four four. Seven and the
best part about it is that our good Screener, jackson is,
saying this is. GOOD i don't have to take them
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indeed eight three three nine six nine four four four,

(53:23):
seven that's the number this. WEEK i was, elated not
the death of this young, man but this story Of
i've got to be. CAREFUL i got to remember sometimes
that we don't curse in this particular. Format but you
know WHAT i would probably. Say there was a fellow

(53:47):
by the name Of JASON. R, day A. R, day
and he looked a little a little, batsu you know
WHAT i. Mean he had this kind of a look
in his. Eye he wasn't really There, okay you know
WHAT i, mean he just kind of look, Like but

(54:09):
this is at The university Of. CAMBRIDGE i mean, this
this is this had people he HAD i want to
Know Isaac, Newton, Darwin Stephen, Hawking Alan, turing Uh Rosalind,
Franklin Lord Byron JUST.

Speaker 9 (54:31):
I mean it is it, Is it Is.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
John yard keyes more people went. There this is seriously
nay RU i, mean go down the. List their alums
are just, like oh my, god think about. This they
think about how this prestigious. University uh, uh just going

(54:58):
through right. Now i'm amazed by. This it's one thing
if you're Like Colgate Community, college it was founded in
twelve oh. Nine that's, right twelve twelve. Nine, Okay so
there was this fellow who came along Named JASON. R,
day a black fella who claimed to Be i'm sorry

(55:24):
he was found.

Speaker 9 (55:25):
Dead that is not.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
Funny but he was a little he didn't look, right
you know WHAT i. Mean but he was a professor
OF i don't even know what sociology or whatever the
hell's sociology. Was but they loved. Him they say he
didn't speak until he was. Eleven he didn't. Speak he
was so profoundly. Autistic and he had on his wall

(55:48):
a poster that Says i'm going to go To cambridge
and the story that he. Concocted Remember jason was A jason.
Player remember That New York times who was that famous
editor who loved this. Guy there's always been these these
phony balogonis who claimed to be. Something there was This

(56:09):
Washington post story of a woman who remember she was
a drug, addict and Even Ben bradley had to apologize
and't any of Them this one stun from the. Beginning
they had No they didn't even think to check this
guy's story out because he was, black and this WAS
dei claim to. Have he was unable to speak until

(56:33):
he was, eleven he, says, miraculously just a few days
shy of my twelfth birthday when he first said. Hello
he didn't learn to read and write until he was.
Eighteen and now they made him a professor At. Columbia excuse, Me?

(56:56):
Cambridge where AM i?

Speaker 9 (56:57):
Saying?

Speaker 4 (56:57):
Columbia that would have been something. TOO i could go
down the. List they said he was a visiting professor
of these places never panned. Out he said he ran
six hundred miles From edinburgh To london in six days for.
Charity experts noted that this would rank among the world's

(57:17):
top ultra endurance. Performers he later said it took twelve
days twelve, days not, six including. Rest he completed he
said thirty marathons in thirty five, days including the final
nine after an epileptic fit and the hairline leg. Fracture

(57:38):
the leg had apparently. Swollen he described ice. Baths they
said there was a severed pigs head that was delivered
to his Parents' South london home and a cardboard. Box
he said he intercepted, it yet the police don't know
anything about, it he. Said he appeared in the BBC's

(58:01):
Seven up or the related show Called, up and was
pulled out at the age of. Fourteen the original series
started in nineteen sixty. Four this is four participants born
in nineteen fifty six nineteen fifty. Seven he was born
in nineteen eighty. FIVE bbc can From he had nothing

(58:22):
to do with the. Films he later described it as
an informal shorthand for a local. Community he was a,
liar said he was a semi professional. Footballer nothing he
ever said and his PhD dissertation was a complete and total,
joke a, joke a joke of the first. Order and

(58:47):
they looked the other way because he was, black, autistic
and they never.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
This Is, Cabridge.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
Cambridge they didn't even check. It nobody said listen The. Niles,
yeah not for nothing, here but CAN i talk to?
You did you want to check this guy? Out this
guy and he had this look because he had the
long you, know the the the, weave the dreads or,
whatever all these guys he had like mass scare and he,

(59:21):
LOOKED i, mean he looked like he, was you, know
a couple of breaks short of a. Load and what
is this? About it's because what do you want to call?
It the radical? Left whatever these people, are they are
so desirous to see SOME ndei that they looked they

(59:43):
closed their eyes to. This and sadly he you, know
he he was found dead and he's gonna blame you,
know white supremacy or whatever it. Was it's, maddening, Absolutely
and let me tell you. Something you listen to, me

(01:00:05):
and listen to. Me there is a there is a
movement that's. Coming and nobody wants to say, this But
i'm gonna say, it, Okay and nobody wants to hear.
This so that's. Fine The republicans are going to lose how,

(01:00:26):
much but midterms are going to be a. DISASTER i
don't know what they're. DOING i don't know what's going.
ON i don't know what's happening to this. COUNTRY i
have no. IDEA i don't know if this is some
kind of a swing back or. Whatever but if you
want to be, scared you get. Scared there is A

(01:00:47):
dsa movement that apparently is being loved white, people loved
white people and Zoron Mom donnie is a walk in
the park compared to the it takes that are. Coming
and this is part and. Partial you thought a lot
of this was. Gone you, know this is reminds me
of like a like a herpes flare up or. Something you,

(01:01:10):
know you thought the symptoms were. Down you thought everything was.
Okay you THOUGHT i wouldn't have to worry about this.
Anymore i'll put that to. Bed we got that out
of our, system you, know all THAT dei. Stuff no we, Didn't,
no we. Didn't these people aren't going, anywhere and it's

(01:01:31):
gonna get. Worse and believe, me whatever you, Think zora
And Mom donnie is Is WILLIAM. F buckley compared to
these folks because there is this, movement this. Craziness Chelsea,
HANDLER i know nobody cares about. Her she was talking
to somebody one of THESE i could tell from the

(01:01:53):
look on this this woman's face she was fairly well.
Known Chelsea handler said that we've got to be careful
because if the if The republicans continue to take, over
or if they Or blanches is confirmed as attorney, general
they will Overrule row Against, wade and they already. Did

(01:02:15):
she didn't even know, This but it doesn't. Matter you've
Got rosie O'Donnell's back after the face, lift and people say,
this she look, better she has to look. Better that
doesn't always work. Sometimes remember when it was just, Interesting

(01:02:36):
remember WHEN i don't have to talk about people's, weight
BUT i thought this one thing was very. Interesting did
you remember when When Chris christie had that bypass beriometric.
Surgery nothing. Happened it was the damnedest. Thing every normally normally. People,
well today they have that ozembic, look you, know that
completely that that prison camp. Look but going back to

(01:02:59):
WHAT i, said they're coming, back you're going to be
seeing oh at THIS wnba that we're. Talking we're still.
Talking we're back to talking About, well THE nba commissioner
can't even decide now that two strapping men who have
transitioned to women cannot even apply her own her own

(01:03:24):
league categories or definitions as to what exactly is a?
Woman what AM i? Saying What i'm saying is is
At up till, now this lunacy was. Dormant it lay
under the under the. Surface it was just kind of,

(01:03:45):
there and we thought, good we were feeling. Good frums in,
charge And america's back and, yeah, okay, right oh.

Speaker 9 (01:03:58):
No, no, no, NO.

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
Usa idea will be back everything that those supposedly. Did
you're going to see the quickest reversal that will blow your.
Mind it's already, written it's Already they're ready to go
when they. Start AND i don't know who's going to
win twenty twenty. Eight trump's, GONE i don't know who Jd.
Vance i'm not thrilled with, them BUT i would vote

(01:04:24):
for an onion ring over any of the folks these people.
Have and it's not Because i'm a conservative or. Whatever
i'm a common sense. Citizen and believe, me there ain't
none of these folks THAT i would even let anywhere
near the steering wheel of our great. Republic but people
have been thinking for the longest time this is. Done

(01:04:46):
it's not and this our, day this story was. Fantastic
and there's another thing, TOO i want to talk about
coming up media linear linear. Programming the fact THAT cnn
is still hanging on their shot that they may be

(01:05:06):
sold or dissolved as was pretty much MS dnc now
IT'S Ms, now how DO i tell these people it's.
Over it's. Over you're hanging on to a vestige of a.
Platform it's not so much it's not so much your.

(01:05:29):
Ideas it's not so much that it's this new mechanism
you're living in the time Of murrow or. Something it's
not nineteen. Eighty this is Not Ted. Turner it doesn't
work this. Way AS i told you before yesterday was this.
DEBATE i, mean it was all. OVER x is the

(01:05:51):
Very if you watch what, happening it, was it's the
talk of the. World and, yet and yet if you
look conventional cable, news they're not going to talk about
that because they don't want, to you. Do they don't
want to give any kind of countenance to this. Listen
my message is very very. Simple you can do one
or two. Things you can walk around blind and just

(01:06:15):
keep bumping into, furniture or you can pay attention and
watch what's happening and understand that the world is changing
and also be able to articulate the particular threats that
are facing us from the. Enemy they are telling you
specifically what they're going to. Do and you can whistle
by the graveyard all you, want but that dog don't,

(01:06:35):
hunt as we say in The. South, okay we have
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H it's another Side of Midnight. WITH lionel.

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I don't like that.

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It sounds like that news that TEAMS a JD and
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A jd.

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That everything sounds like this. VERY fast i remember one
time Being In grand central and he had a, maurumba
player not, a xylophone but, a marumba and he Was
playing flight Of, the BUMBLEBEAD and i thought, to myself

(01:08:37):
this is not the place to be playing fast and.
Phrenetic music here's some. Other news did you see?

Speaker 10 (01:08:43):
This one.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
Luigi man joni may never be convicted of murder despite
admitting under oath that he deliberately shot And Killed. Brian
thompson THIS Is, eo now how does? That happen have you?
Heard this do you? Grasp This man joni pleaded guilty

(01:09:06):
in federal court only to two stalking counts resulting. In,
death now the federal murder account had already been dismissed
because the judge who found it legally incompatible with the
remaining charges that eliminating the. Death penalty i'll. Explain that

(01:09:27):
and his lawyers are now attempting to use that federal
conviction To Destroy new york's second degree. Murder Case And
new york's double jeopardy statute is broader Than The, federal
constitution and it generally prohibits a second prosecution for our
offenses arising from the same act or, criminal transaction even

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when one case is federal and the, other estate And
the manhattan die will also argue good luck with this
will argue that stalking and murder contain different elements and
address different charge, different tribunals which is a. STATUTORY exception
i don't want to get too much into, the wheeze
but the defense is going to respond that both prosecutions

(01:10:15):
concerned precisely the, same plan the, same victim the, same
shooting the, same death and his detailed federal admission makes
that argument. Unusually strong so the murder charge has not
disappeared yet a judge must decide the motion and appeals are.
Certainly certain are, virtually certain by, The way but federal

(01:10:39):
prosecutors may Have handed mangoni the technical mechanism he needed
to escape an actual. Murder conviction he can still receive
life imprisonment for stalking resulting. In, death meanwhile he may
spend the remainder of his life behind bars without the
word murder appearing on. His conviction, so anyway this is very.

(01:11:04):
Good lawyering but does.

Speaker 9 (01:11:05):
IT matter i.

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
Don't know are they going to give? HIM life i.
Would hope so let me also add another little twist,
to this a little wrinkle throwing a lot of things
at YOU because i don't speak with you during, the
WEEK and i want to make sure. You understand you
hear it, from ME because i want you to GRASP
what i. Am saying there's something very interesting this is.

(01:11:27):
Happening here this fellow is liked, and admired not because
of his looks or not because of any of. That
business he's liked and admired because of the fact of
the subject matter of his death or his shooting and.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
The like and.

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
Here's why and this. Is critical all of, a, sudden
overnight people came out of the woodwork, and said you,
know what, these uh these healthcare but these insurance companies.
Are bad he claimed to have a neck injury or.
Back injury and this guy's comes. FROM means i don't

(01:12:07):
know why he's. Doing this HE was i thought he
thought he was going to get away. WITH it i
don't understand why he threw his entire life away for
this in, Any event but let me tell you where
it's also picking, up speed and that is in, DATA
centers ai companies and. Flock cameras listen To what i'm.

(01:12:32):
Telling you i'm seeing this all over. The place there
was an, absolute discuss as my wife had talked ABOUT,
recording ai in Particular From. Glynd's warriors. She came but
this is a. Different story there are people, who detest
absolutely detest and abhor the notion of these these these,

(01:12:55):
data centers and they hate all that these stand for
and all that they were present absolutely positively and throw
into that and mix the. Idea too of. Flock cameras
there are people ripping, them down there are folks sitting,
underneath them and we're seeing something which. IS interesting i,

(01:13:16):
like IT but i don't. Like it i'm seeing more
of an active attemptive, you will and a movement to attack.
These things because for the LONGEST time i thought that
our country was just completely kind of tired over the
notion of what or willian dystopian nightmares. Are about we

(01:13:41):
were born. In captivity nobody cared. About surveillance nobody SEEMED
to i, don't know didn't. Bother anybody windmills never. Bothered
anybody people thought stupidly like no it's going to help.
The environment but all of, a sudden all of, a
sudden the NOTION of ai is bothering people and. DATA centers,

(01:14:02):
i mean also ask You something. Chinese folks chinese government
says we have more data center, excuse me we HAVE
more ai empowered or powered than, you do but we
have maybe ten percent of the. Data centers why do
you have this because you're? So inefficient china is going

(01:14:25):
to clober us when it comes. To this let me ask.
You this how many folks still think that There's this
HOW do i say this that there's this old fashioned
Notion of china where they sit around wearrying those kind
of sanpan hats and they're, you know they look they're

(01:14:47):
Like A kei luk or what's his Name. From bonanza
this is one of the most. Incredible countries have you seen?
Their cars oh? My GOD oh i want one of.
Their Cars the. Whuawei phones you'll never want to use an,

(01:15:08):
iPhone again they're.

Speaker 7 (01:15:11):
ALL there.

Speaker 4 (01:15:13):
I know this is antithetical to what people, are thinking
but they're far. More serious our number is eight. Three
three are you? Noticing this eight three three nine six
nine four four FOUR seven a three three nine six
nine four four. Four seven let's Go to Tom In new.
Jersey time you're on another side of midnight.

Speaker 10 (01:15:34):
With The lionel Heyn.

Speaker 9 (01:15:37):
Running linel as, A lawyer i would like to understand
this thing about this man's the one thing because it
doesn't make. Any sense the mean you don't understand he, is, no,
No no let me say everything and then and then
you can put your two. Cents in as, a lawyer
it doesn't. Make sense he was on video shooting a

(01:16:00):
person execution style behind in the back of. The head
that alone should have. Did it now should have?

Speaker 8 (01:16:08):
Done?

Speaker 9 (01:16:08):
What alone should have? Did it that should have done
what that that should have just, you know, sealed it
open and. Shut Sealed one about dragging on, the case,
you know. That's it you know he, admitted it this,
and that and it's dragging on for over two years
and and all this drama. And crap it doesn't make

(01:16:29):
any sense because he. Admitted it he.

Speaker 4 (01:16:33):
Did it but but see you're not. You're not you
don't want to you don't want me to ask you.
Any questions admitted what.

Speaker 7 (01:16:40):
What was he charged?

Speaker 9 (01:16:41):
With, murder no.

Speaker 4 (01:16:45):
He wasn't, you see this is with all due RESPECT
and i like. Your style but you can't go into
something and say this doesn't make, any sense and then
you can't tell me what he was. Charged with what's?
The theory.

Speaker 9 (01:16:57):
Murder? He executed he shot somebody in the back of it. Head, execution, no, no,
no see that's what's.

Speaker 4 (01:17:02):
Happening yours you're.

Speaker 9 (01:17:04):
Looking at that and, you say that's, my imagination so you're.

Speaker 4 (01:17:07):
Not listening that's what. He did i'm asking you what
was he? Charged with because federal doesn't.

Speaker 11 (01:17:15):
Have us.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
Let me try. This again, that's okay you're gonna get
yourself all. Work done you really don't want to do
you really want to know what's? Happening here or do
you want to.

Speaker 9 (01:17:27):
Just because I'm gonna i'm gonna zip? It, right, no.

Speaker 4 (01:17:31):
No don't let's just say he should have. Been charged
that should have, been. It right you're you shot him
in the back of. The head he admitted wanting to.
Kill him, that's murder and. That's it so what are
we wasting our? Time for why do we have courd
why don't we?

Speaker 8 (01:17:44):
Have this just take?

Speaker 4 (01:17:45):
Him out and?

Speaker 11 (01:17:46):
What?

Speaker 7 (01:17:46):
What what what's you?

Speaker 4 (01:17:47):
Just sentenced by, the way that's pretty fast for a
lot of. These, cases now would you like to?

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Hear?

Speaker 4 (01:17:59):
One, Yes okay and by, the way thank you for.
Your CALL and i know he's a, nice MAN and
i gotta. SAY something i appreciate this when somebody. Calls
Up and i'm not trying to anyone make. A parallel
but if you talk to a doctor, and said this
doesn't make. Any sense you took the, cancer out the cancer,

(01:18:23):
came back or what do you mean he's got? An
infection what do you mean the baby? Is breach what do?
You mean, it's like first, of all who? Were you
you just entered. Into this this doesn't make sense. To
me what doesn't? Make sense what was he? CHARGED with i.
DON'T know I just i. Don't know it's like yesterday during,
this debate this IDIOT named i Call, him pickles didn't

(01:18:48):
even Know What tyler robinson was. Charged with had no
idea because people feel this SENSE of i don't have
to know what the. LAW is I. WATCHED tv i
kind of have. An idea the federal, murder charge the federal.
Murder chure remember, federal murder that's a. State thing but

(01:19:10):
the federal murder charge was dismissed because the prosecutors built
it on the wrong. Legal foundation they made. A mistake
They charged mangoni under a. Federal, statute now whether you
like this, OR not i can't. Help that i'm gonna answer.
The question They charged luigi under a federal statute covered

(01:19:33):
murder committed with a firearm during a quote crime. Of
violence there was a federal statue that covers murder committed
with a firearm during a quote crime. Of violence you, got.
That okay the alleged underlying crime here was. Federal stalking

(01:19:58):
but stalking can legally be admitted through threats or intimidation
or emotional distress without necessarily using. Physical force, so therefore
under the required, technical test if, you will stalking didn't
qualify as a quote crime. Of violence so without a qualifying,

(01:20:21):
underlying crime the firearm murder count could not. Legally stand
and the judge was not Saying that mangoni Didn't. Kill
thompson that's not. The point the judge was saying that
federal prosecutors constructed the. Charge incorrectly that, prosecutorial blunder by,

(01:20:42):
the way removed both the federal murder account and the.
Death penalty now now now we have the state second
degree murder in state court to forget who the prosecutor
of this is going to Be The new york version of,
double jeopardy or basically due process in. Many respects but

(01:21:07):
double jeopardy is, SO strong, i mean it is so
strong and far it companies far more than. Federal does,
you see the double jeopardy statute is broader in the
State Of, new york and it prohibits a second prosecution
for offenses that are arising from the same act or

(01:21:28):
the same, criminal transaction even when one case is federal
and the other one. Of state give you a. Perfect
example remember during the, oj case he was charged with Murder,
in california and then they went To. Federal corps they
charged Him with, oh, no no, excuse me. Pardon me
it was the. Original case it was the can we just?

(01:21:49):
Get along, remember him that Great? Winnerful, american anyway the,
federal case, excuse me the state case was, you know.
Police brutal they charge them in federal court with violating
the civil rights of this whose name. Escapes, me anyway
you Know what i'm. Talking about make a long, story
short they. Were different but people then, even said wait,

(01:22:12):
a minute this is identically the. Same, charge no. It's
not it's a. Different charge it's a different, uh tribunal
it's a. Different courtroom. People's thick, come on it's the. Same,
thing no. It's not. It's different and for the longest
time people have been trying to ask the question of

(01:22:36):
are things? The, same now let me explain some.

Speaker 9 (01:22:40):
Of deal.

Speaker 4 (01:22:42):
And this is a this is a. Bigger deal what
would you like if you could? Do anything what would
you like from to happen to manajoining to be executed? Right,
Away no, i'm SERIOUS and i gonna ask you eight
three three nine six nine four four four seven if

(01:23:04):
that's what. You WANT and i, understand this this. LAST
gentleman i can understand this because he's, he's frustrated. It's
angry he doesn't, he doesn't he doesn't. Understand this this
is all. Legal GOBBLEDEGOOK can i? Understand completely by, The
Way rodney king was a famous purveyor of why can't

(01:23:25):
we all? Get along in nineteen ninety two can't we all?
Get along Ride The Great? Rodney king so it's one
of those things where you're right, about THAT and i.
Understand COMPLETELY and i also think. He's demented but here's.
The thing as it is, right now who very well
could be looking at life just for the. Stalking about

(01:23:46):
somebody says two years that's nothing for a for a
federal case and a federal death, penalty game or theoretically
a death. Penalty case, oh, yeah, yeah yeah. Yeah yeah
see this case. Is different this is this is one
where the circumstances were Just that Ted different and there

(01:24:08):
are still people who consider him to be. A hero
what do you think, about that especially to see when
his wife, Shows Up when thompson's wife shows up and
they were she saw people basically lauding and and and,
you Know praising menjoni see. Years ago there's another kind
of a separate transaction to this. As well people have

(01:24:33):
wondered what is it from some women who have fallen
in love with people on? Death row this is a good.
One me how demented? IS it I Think ted bundy
was married and they're they're given, conjugal visits a. Conjugal
visits but Everybody From richard ramirez remember the, night stalker.

(01:24:56):
VILE satanists i can't even tell you what, he did
and women saw HIM as i don't know what a bad.
Boy MISUNDERSTOOD maybe i can somehow. WHO knows i have.
No Idea ted bundy. And others they, love Us the,

(01:25:16):
menendez brothers but this guy, in particular they're lauding him
as some kind of. A hero he's. An idiot.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
He's.

Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
An idiot and what would what would drive him the
craziest if it ever went. To trial but it's not
if he ever took, the stand in which. He's not
but if somebody, Would, say wow look, At you look,
at You, mister bigshew, mister genius mister. Ivy league he
wrote all this stuff down in. Your book you were

(01:25:46):
found almost immediately you're on camera and they catch you
into McDonald's And what altoona or wherever. It was you've
got to be. Kidding me you've got to be. Kidding me.
Absolutely incredible let's go back to the phones at eight
three three nine six nine four four FOUR seven a
three three nine six nine four four. Four seven let's

(01:26:12):
Go to Silas In. New jersey you're on another Side
of midnight With.

Speaker 11 (01:26:16):
The.

Speaker 12 (01:26:16):
LIONEL yeah i was glad that you explain to the
guy with. The charges you kept asking him what was?
The charge it has nothing to do with we know he.

Speaker 9 (01:26:30):
Did it but if the well he, killed him that's
just for sure a mistake.

Speaker 12 (01:26:36):
Charging him, You know i'm, just, saying well they.

Speaker 4 (01:26:42):
Made a mistake charging him. With that he's not he's
not going to, be released he's not going to. Go
home he might he just may not have the title
murder applied, to him. That's all but to our, first
caller he. Wants MURDER and i can understand. The frustration
but it's nice to to. To LISTEN.

Speaker 12 (01:27:05):
And i also wanted to comment. ON one i Don't
Think jade vance is ready for.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
A prime TIME and i Do believe.

Speaker 12 (01:27:16):
CHINA is i FROM what i can only glean from
when he's gone on interviews, and stuff he seems to
not understand our. Capitalist system and what does he?

Speaker 4 (01:27:30):
Not understand.

Speaker 12 (01:27:32):
He's he thinks that you know that we're not a
business like we're supposed to be taking care of other
people in. Other countries know.

Speaker 4 (01:27:45):
We're not We can what is he said that makes you? Think, that.

Speaker 12 (01:27:50):
Well when he was on, THE view i think It,
WAS yeah i think it was the view he kind
of agreed with, them that, you know like the, woke
people we should be taken. Care, OF now i might
be wrong in my assessment of what he said. Is
okay but he thinks that our capital system should be

(01:28:13):
taking care of foreigners that.

Speaker 4 (01:28:16):
Come here foreigners come.

Speaker 12 (01:28:19):
Here, here yeah people, COME HERE Jd.

Speaker 4 (01:28:22):
Jd, van okay now. That's different. You're saying YOU. Heard
jd van say on the view that our capitalist system
should take care of. Illegal aliens did he, Say.

Speaker 9 (01:28:35):
That.

Speaker 12 (01:28:37):
Well he agreed with, them that, you know we should
be we should be helping them taking, you know taking
them in here and helping.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
THEM in.

Speaker 12 (01:28:46):
I don't i don't believe we should be taken in
all of, these people especially when they come, here legally
if they don't go through.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
THE well i.

Speaker 4 (01:28:52):
APPRECIATE that i don't know if he. SAID that i
don't know if he said, THAT that i. DO not i,
cannot BELIEVE though i would. BE mistaken i thank you
very much for your for. Your call, my friend please call.
Me again uh eight three three nine six nine four
four Four seven Joaquen, in pennsylvania you r on another

(01:29:13):
side of Midnight.

Speaker 7 (01:29:13):
With lionel Good.

Speaker 9 (01:29:15):
Morning lionel You know i'm gonna say something and, it's
HORRIBLE and i really don't believe that other caller was.
A lawyer he didn't sound like a lawyer. To, Me,
NO no, I know, I know i think, HE said i.

Speaker 4 (01:29:26):
DON'T know i don't think he said he was. A
lawyer i think he was saying as, a lawyer meaning.
FOR me i don't think he said.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
He was.

Speaker 9 (01:29:34):
That, might be that's, very possible because he's sounds like.

Speaker 4 (01:29:36):
A word i guarantee you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
That's theory That, Was well i'm, so SORRY but i
can't help but see, this Guy, man johony actually getting
off or getting off very lightly with like, you said
like two years or something.

Speaker 9 (01:29:47):
Like that if you even gets.

Speaker 4 (01:29:49):
Two, years, no, no no there's taking two years to
bring him. To justice that's what. He said, he said
this has been. TOO long.

Speaker 9 (01:30:00):
I just don't see for some Reason That new. YORK
state i see this guy get walking away. From this
now this Is The.

Speaker 4 (01:30:08):
New york remember there's two there's two parts. Of this
there's the, federal statue the, federal charge and then there's a.
State charge so he may be he may be doing
life in, federal prison which makes the state. Charge move
the state charge may may dismiss it because they say
this is. Double jeopardy they may the state charge may

(01:30:29):
be just dropped completely because of a. State prohibition he
could still do life in. Federal prison prison is not a.
Federal prison federal systems or other are very tough and by,
the way you do and life is pretty. Much life
but you don't do you do roughly eighty five percent
of the. Total thing so so don't don't think he's
walking away.

Speaker 8 (01:30:50):
With us.

Speaker 10 (01:30:50):
He is.

Speaker 4 (01:30:51):
He, is remember this Is the trump, justice system and
they're going to. Be asking they already said they want.
THE maximum.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
I hope that that's.

Speaker 9 (01:31:01):
THE case i just can't. Help it BUT when i
think about this having Happened In New, york city you
know that for some reason that that this is just
going to turn out the.

Speaker 4 (01:31:10):
Other way, you know it's but this, is Federal Federal
southern District Of, New york federal to pay the the
the the, you KNOW The us attorney's office That puts
gotti away In The ROSENBERGS and, i mean.

Speaker 9 (01:31:26):
This is this.

Speaker 4 (01:31:27):
Is federal these are hard this. Is hardcore.

Speaker 9 (01:31:31):
Are they still the same, people though that's the, only question,
you know who? Did?

Speaker 8 (01:31:35):
That, no no but not the.

Speaker 4 (01:31:36):
Same judges talking about the judges lifetime tenure, federal judges
they have nobody to answer to but. Themselves exactly that's
that's that's.

Speaker 9 (01:31:48):
My, problem yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:31:50):
They also have sentencing guidelines that are, very strong very
very you can't depart from them unless you have clear and,
convincing reasons and there's certainly the, NEW anyway i thank
you for. YOUR call i appreciate the fact that people, are,
saying yeah, you know that's. That's true but these kind
of gut feelings that, We have i'm not saying they're,

(01:32:11):
not valid but they're not based on any kind. Of
reality they're just kind of like the way. You FEEL
and i Have said i'm normally pretty right. About this,
IN fact i remember During the. DIDDY case i don't
know if you, knew THIS but i was on a

(01:32:31):
variety of the platforms telling people that this guy's gonna
this guy's. Gonna walk they got him On The man
act because he never was into any kind of racketeering
or trafficking or any of. That stuff. It's ridiculous, you
see in, My career i've called, things correctly much to
the chagrin of a lot. Of Folks, number one there

(01:32:55):
was the Remember The kaylee anthony murder and A case
anthony was, the MOTHER and i said she is going to,
be acquitted and people. Went berserk, they said don't you
understand she Killed. Him, horizon yes but we don't even

(01:33:15):
know the cause. Of death as, you know there are
four modalities of death if, you will forms, of it
and think of the acronym, nash natural, accidental, suicide, homicide,
okay good and, also UNEXPLAINED. So nashu but that doesn't
make any sense because, a night in, any event they

(01:33:36):
found a baby's skull with no, bullet hole, no trauma just. To, skull,
now granted you, might say well that's evidence, of something?

Speaker 9 (01:33:44):
Was it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
How do you know?

Speaker 4 (01:33:47):
That's homicide why could it not have? Been natural and then,
LET'S see i hate to bring, it up animals. Found
it you have to, prove homicide and you can't prove
homicide was just A oh i. Was correct then there
Was A trayvon, Martin Case. GEORGE zimmermann i call, that
one and people, went resort call me. A racist you're.

(01:34:10):
A racist why what are you? Talking about because he's,
YOU know, i, said no you don't understand. The Case
he florida's standard. GROUND law i, don't care it. Doesn't matter,
it's okay. Terrific wonderful so people don't have this idea
about what their kind of their gut. FEELING is i

(01:34:33):
wouldn't be surprised if he. Gets life if, they say, you.

Speaker 7 (01:34:37):
Don't what, screw you.

Speaker 4 (01:34:38):
My friend i'm a. FEDERAL judge i don't.

Speaker 9 (01:34:41):
LIKE you i don't like.

Speaker 4 (01:34:42):
Your attitude i've got a sentence in guidelines here that's looking.
At life. THAT'S it i see no. Mitigating reasons you're.
Not insane you knew exactly what. You're doing you. Premeditated
this did you hear how much time? He took calling
up the company saying he worked for a fifty billion
dollar turn, the corporation, plotting this making, the gun making.

(01:35:03):
The silencer and then she's going to what, a McDonald's
was it altoon?

Speaker 7 (01:35:07):
Or whatever what do?

Speaker 4 (01:35:08):
You nuts you're? An idiot they got you. Right away
where were? You going where do you think you? Were
going what was the purpose? Of this how did anybody
know why you? Did this you shot a man like
a dog in the street? For what because you were

(01:35:29):
mistreated by a? By what by a health by an? Insurance?

Speaker 7 (01:35:32):
Company what.

Speaker 4 (01:35:36):
And yet there are, some people as, you know who
are going, to, say hey. That's, terrific remember let me
just say, this again. Very carefully if you're IN the,
ai business if you're in the data, center business.

Speaker 9 (01:35:49):
Be very very.

Speaker 4 (01:35:50):
Very careful and if you're in the flack, camera business
our number is eight three three nine six' nine four.
Four four seven eight three three nine six' nine. Four
four four seven this is another side of Midnight.

Speaker 7 (01:36:05):
With me a lionel.

Speaker 1 (01:36:21):
It's another Side. Of midnight with. Lionel here we go.

Speaker 4 (01:36:48):
Imagine you're trying to, get to your train it's rush
hour and Some guy with them marimba Is Playing. This
in grand central not. Good of my friends eight three
three nine six nine. Four four four seven why did?
WE change the number i. Can't get into it eight
three three nine six nine. Four four four seven this is.

(01:37:13):
Another side of midnight and apparently we've hit a nerve
because people are responding very very Angrily and Understandably, regarding
Luigi man Joni Like. Terry in new jersey you Run
another side Of. Midnight, WITH a lionel.

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
Well i know you are an intellectual genius when it comes.
To the purest jurists and let. Me tell you something
these are different cases, That are out there like if people.
Forget this one Guy His. Name was rodney atala he.
Was a serial killer in the y of. His serial
is killing he was on the dating game and the
woman acting picked him and she she felt that he

(01:37:51):
was too creepy and it wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:37:52):
Go, out with him right he.

Speaker 5 (01:37:53):
Was. A.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
STEREO. Killer also o j. Simpson, was in jail now
what does.

Speaker 4 (01:37:59):
That mean a woman whom you said he she, went
on with him that he was too, creepy and then
yeah so that. Kind, of, makes, sense, yeah no no
no she.

Speaker 10 (01:38:09):
Did not even.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
Go out with him she, know that you're right because
she felt he was. That he was pretty she had
good intuition.

Speaker 4 (01:38:17):
And, she, Was, correct, yes indeed okay yeah she.

Speaker 9 (01:38:19):
Was.

Speaker 2 (01:38:20):
ON. The money oh j Simpson was in a nevada prison.
For like nine years he was getting letters from.

Speaker 9 (01:38:27):
A lot of women a.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
Lot of white women they, were mailing. Him money marriage
proposals he got so many letters and he used to
give him out to somebody hell the prisoners who, never
got any letters and he'd have why do?

Speaker 4 (01:38:39):
You?

Speaker 9 (01:38:39):
Think that cash right why do?

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
You think that is.

Speaker 8 (01:38:44):
Why do?

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
YOU think that is i always said the, Women go
for him that's what.

Speaker 12 (01:38:48):
That's what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:38:49):
They don't no women now we're hang. On a second
terry you just said one. OF the, most obvious i
said why do you? Think they, do that he said
because women go, for, them and say yes let. Me
read phrase it why do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
They go?

Speaker 4 (01:39:01):
For, him For, them.

Speaker 2 (01:39:04):
Well for ojays because he was a big national star,
in football and movies and. He's so well known there
are women out there who, might think he's innocent or
they might think, they could change him or they just might.
Totally are, into that. You Know there's craziness but i'll give,
you a good case but no one ever brings up because.
It's so far away Then.

Speaker 12 (01:39:24):
We'll Get To.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
Mangioni berkowitz david berkowitz, when they arrested him Right. The
son of sam he originally. Pleaded innocent by insanity he was,
claiming in insanity defense so they kept him, in a
psychiatric hospital the criminal VERSION of, it In. I believe
in brooklyn and after seven months he CHANGED his plea

(01:39:48):
because i think he did not want to be locked
up in a psychiatric ward after what he, saw those
seven months and he. Immediately, changed his plea now The.
SAME thing with luigi i Think.

Speaker 4 (01:39:58):
He, want, stan, wait wait wait. Wait wait wait, WAIT
first of. ALL i don't Believe i don't believe berkowitz Is,
the son of sam and a lot of people don't believe.
It for a moment if you, recall what he said
You Remember the great maury terry wrote a BOOK at
This and i knew, maury very very well and there
were a lot of people who said We Got. Him
on new york can can sleep at night because many,

(01:40:21):
many people believe that, believe it or not that might have.
Been a satanic ring this is what this is, what
he had said and also that some of these pictures
were actually snuff, films snuff people anyway make. A long story,
short but later on the reason why you would want
to maintain to SAY insane if that, i Don't recall

(01:40:41):
it but i'm going to take, your word for it
is that if you are found not guilty, by reason of,
insanity you are acquitted and, once you are okay, you
Are Let go like David Hinckley Was. Or John john
henckley david hinckley was A Guy. From the daily news
so my question is that goes against any rational thinking

(01:41:02):
for somebody to.

Speaker 2 (01:41:03):
Say think this is in a in a, PSYCHE board
for years.

Speaker 7 (01:41:08):
I, just said That yeah, that's what i'm okay.

Speaker 8 (01:41:11):
THANK you very.

Speaker 4 (01:41:11):
MUCH i appreciate. THAT i appreciate That i, say SOMETIMES
i'm Wondering am i maybe i'm? Talking to myself anyway
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i think, we're honest. With, you my friend this this has.
Apparently gotten your. Attention you're very upset eight three three
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(01:41:34):
Of calls coming up we'll get. To them right away
On another side, Of. Midnight, with me lion, also whatever.
You do stay tuned the.

Speaker 7 (01:41:42):
FINAL hour, COMING up, I know, I know, I know,

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I know.

Speaker 1 (01:42:22):
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Speaker 8 (01:42:27):
I, KNOW lo, I know, I know, I know i
KNOW i.

Speaker 4 (01:42:36):
Need know i know already line up with, you our
number three the final hour for, this thing of ours.
Our number to night eight, three three nine six nine.
Four four four seven one more time eight three three
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time for, that person who SAYS dog gun and. I,

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Can't find it okay. I've got it now?

Speaker 2 (01:43:01):
What? Was?

Speaker 4 (01:43:01):
That number simple dave eight three three nine six nine.
Four four four seven we have hit the proverbial nerve because,
you were absolutely, furious furious beyond recognition beyond comprehension as
to what you, see as a travesty and understandably so
regarding the Apparent Plea, from mister luigi manjoni who may

(01:43:25):
escape a murder charge but could very well, end up
in prison federal prison for the, rest of his life
and the state court case could be. Dismissed via double
jeopardy let's go, back to the PHONES back to. What
i call Fun, Let's Go, to Riverhead new york. Where
bob stands by you're on another side Of. Midnight, With,

(01:43:46):
A Lionel, Lionel, Bob, Bob, Hello, Yes Bob.

Speaker 9 (01:43:58):
HELLO bob hello Hello.

Speaker 4 (01:44:02):
I don't think? Bob, Can, Hear me bob yes, thank You,
so much mister lee is?

Speaker 11 (01:44:11):
That?

Speaker 2 (01:44:11):
Me or what.

Speaker 4 (01:44:15):
Bob, Thank, You, so much bob bob give, you a
call back, and by the way thanks for. A most
important Call let's Go To. Larry, on long island larry
you're on another Side. Of midnight with lionel.

Speaker 9 (01:44:27):
How can you do this to?

Speaker 10 (01:44:28):
Be make people laugh making a phone call?

Speaker 9 (01:44:32):
To your?

Speaker 10 (01:44:32):
Right, now after that okay so here we go, this,
is not fair okay, because That, was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:44:43):
What?

Speaker 4 (01:44:43):
Bob that last call. That was nothing.

Speaker 10 (01:44:47):
Exactly we go through.

Speaker 4 (01:44:49):
This all the time you have no, idea where we
work you have no idea the people that we.

Speaker 1 (01:44:53):
Have to deal with.

Speaker 4 (01:44:54):
You have, no idea. My colleagues THAT'S nothing proceeds are.

Speaker 6 (01:45:00):
I have.

Speaker 10 (01:45:00):
Such sympathetic fear. Agony i'm not kidding i've always understood
this all the years you've been on radio idea and you're.
FRUSTRATING and your agony i just want you to let's.

Speaker 4 (01:45:14):
Talk about this case what do you? Think about? This
case my friend the.

Speaker 10 (01:45:19):
Thing that kills me HE looks every, time i see.
Him he looks happy he looks almost like this is
what my life. Was meant to be.

Speaker 2 (01:45:32):
Where?

Speaker 4 (01:45:32):
Does he look, happy.

Speaker 9 (01:45:35):
I'm not.

Speaker 10 (01:45:36):
Happy but just, calm he's. Looking around he's, Observing Tell
me something and, i'm asking you, seriously behind the scenes
what is his life like you, miss the legal beagle
you know. The world of law, what is his life

(01:45:59):
behind the? Scenes life right now? What is he eating?

Speaker 9 (01:46:03):
How? Is?

Speaker 4 (01:46:03):
He horrible horrible horrible He's going to spend. He's a
young man he faces the very real specter of life.
IN federal, prison life.

Speaker 1 (01:46:21):
I mean.

Speaker 9 (01:46:21):
This IS so comfortable can?

Speaker 10 (01:46:24):
I ASK you something can?

Speaker 4 (01:46:26):
I ask you something what do you think people look
like where they've been in custody for two years and
they come out and all you do is you see
maybe an. Artist rendition or something what do you think they're?
SUPPOSED to Look like.

Speaker 8 (01:46:44):
I know.

Speaker 9 (01:46:44):
I've been on you he's.

Speaker 4 (01:46:45):
Twenty eight years old he's. Twenty, eight years?

Speaker 7 (01:46:48):
Old?

Speaker 8 (01:46:48):
Okay what.

Speaker 11 (01:46:51):
What.

Speaker 4 (01:46:51):
No i'm serious uh If, you look at tylerson the
fellow who's on Trial For, allegedly shooting charlie kirk he
looks as Calm as you're gonna one time. He almost
fell asleep you don't want Because these people are they
get them up at like three o'clock in the morning to.
Transport him to court they, sit and. Holding cells they're
exhausted what? Do people look like they all look. LIKE that,

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to come.

Speaker 9 (01:47:16):
I mean what do they want to do?

Speaker 4 (01:47:17):
Is Scream And yell? Or now i'm Serious what would
you what do you think a behavior would be, that
would be more that would comport more with how you.
THINK people should look i truly believe it.

Speaker 10 (01:47:30):
Has nothing to do with. PHYSICAL exhaustion at all i
think there is a psychosis that's involved.

Speaker 8 (01:47:40):
That It's not.

Speaker 4 (01:47:40):
Psychology.

Speaker 9 (01:47:41):
But i'm sorry stop you.

Speaker 4 (01:47:47):
Can go into any court room anybody who's been on a.
Case for, two years in fact it's almost a relief
to get out of a cell. To go to court
you get to put, on a regular. Clothes just sit
there it's what do you think they? All look like
this they just sit there AND.

Speaker 7 (01:48:03):
They look like.

Speaker 9 (01:48:07):
I.

Speaker 10 (01:48:09):
JUST don't understand it.

Speaker 7 (01:48:11):
I know you don't?

Speaker 8 (01:48:13):
What?

Speaker 4 (01:48:13):
Do, you, think, wait wait wait wait? What do you
think how many times have you? Been to a court
how many times? Have you seen people what do you?
Think they look? Like manson sat, there everybody. Sits there
no matter you just sit there and you, talk to
your lawyer and you look and you try to look
respectable in front of the judge or that you don't.

Speaker 7 (01:48:32):
Look like a.

Speaker 4 (01:48:32):
Maniac you don't want your eyes. To be bugged out you.
DON'T want to think i have a, Judge that think
like i'm not going to. Let this guy go he's acting.
The way everybody, acts he's not psychotic. He's not hearing voices.

Speaker 10 (01:48:45):
And the problem is that most of all those people
who were convicted were not people who just shot on
camera a, man in the back.

Speaker 4 (01:49:00):
And that's the difference what difference does it make if
he asked, somebody in the back if, he's a drug
dealer if, he's trafficking in steroids he's sitting there in,
front of a judge and he's. Trying to look normally he.
Just he's not psychotic?

Speaker 9 (01:49:19):
What?

Speaker 4 (01:49:19):
Do you think what what would you prefer his behavior
to be if? It comported with reality what do you think?
He should be accurate?

Speaker 10 (01:49:29):
WHAT would you expect i swear to you my original
question was a, man with this intelligence, with this family
background who knew eventually he may. He, may get found
yeah he's never gonna he's never gonna. Eat good food again. He's,

(01:49:50):
never gonna live.

Speaker 4 (01:49:51):
Okay, maybe maybe yeah yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:49:56):
It's, fascinating to Me.

Speaker 4 (01:49:59):
Okay, What is i'm sorry i'm. Gonna stay with? You
what is fascinating what.

Speaker 10 (01:50:07):
He decided to give his life up for something that.
Most people don't. UNDERSTAND this happens.

Speaker 4 (01:50:16):
All i want you to spend any, day in any,
city in any place just go to a Felony circuit
court or supreme court docket and just. Go to an
arraignment just? See what's up there you. Will blow your
mind not only that what he, did.

Speaker 9 (01:50:37):
Was you.

Speaker 4 (01:50:38):
Know bad it's terrible how about, people who torture, kids,
sexual say this burglars, burglars who terrorize people and we can.
Go down the list you would be surprised how. Many
people there are and they'll all sit there and, they'll
look at you and they look like anybody you. See

(01:50:58):
on the street the whole. Notion of criminal, behavior you're
gonna ask why would you? Want to do this why?
Do people do this why do people? Do this on
cameras why do? People rob a bank you don't rob?
Banks anymore of me so THIS is, this Is i
think and i'm. Glad to see it it's, because you're
not naive but you live in a good, world with

(01:51:21):
nice people and you never, Meet people like, this.

Speaker 9 (01:51:23):
So to you it.

Speaker 4 (01:51:24):
Just it confounds you why? Would somebody do this what's
the point you think? You're gonna get caught? What did,
You seek in fact i'll, go one step further nobody
knew exactly. Why you did it you're not, gonna, go
and say, hey by the way you know that, Guy
who was well i'm The mysterious killer and. I'm Back
right home But i'm gonna tell i'm not GONNA tell,

(01:51:45):
you Who i am but i'm Gonna. Post this on
facebook the reason why that guy was shot was. Because
he mistreated people because he's ahead, Of an insurance company he's.
Not gonna do that so consequently he. Shot somebody for
nothing nobody knows. Why he was shot what was? The
purpose of that so you yourself can know that this greedy.

(01:52:07):
Insurance president was killed you want, To spread the word
you want everybody to know this is what happens to
you when you. Treat, people like this? Well where was that?

Speaker 8 (01:52:17):
WHERE was that.

Speaker 4 (01:52:17):
Manifesto i don't know, have a nice day my friend
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I think bob Is. Back bob and, Riverhead? BOB are you, there.

Speaker 9 (01:52:34):
BOB I am back lying a, i am, Back.

Speaker 4 (01:52:37):
All right all right, BOB question to you is i
do not.

Speaker 9 (01:52:42):
Understand how the federal district court judges are able to
make rulings that affect the country so, therefore outside of
their district.

Speaker 4 (01:52:52):
Because, they, did with federal laws yes Not Federal laws Within,
the southern district of manhattan but. Federal laws everywhere they're
interpreting and if, if there is, a Conflict If let's
Say The southern district of new York Is different Than,
the middle District Of florida then the supreme court can

(01:53:14):
take up the case under the conflict. Jurisdiction and and
act accordingly, but what you're saying, is how can in
essence a federal judge or federal court act almost like a. Quasi. Legislature,
on their.

Speaker 9 (01:53:29):
Own, yes well in other words we have, seen a,
lot of uh you know in the press. Every time
the executive branch that's something that judicial branches come In
and and and those it seems to me that those,
judges operating within their district but then they make a

(01:53:49):
ruling and, an affects the entire country which.

Speaker 4 (01:53:52):
Ranks to me.

Speaker 9 (01:53:53):
Would be outside this scope why why are not that
limited to the, District that they're operating.

Speaker 4 (01:53:58):
In because, as the it might be a federal, district court,
ordinarily can't. Exercise for, example criminal jurisdiction you, know but
let's say elsewhere but nationwide ruling is. INVOLVING a, national federal.
Statutes i mean you can't You, Can't only say that

(01:54:23):
okay i'm, going to make a. Ruling but only for
here it's not like a state. Court has. That limited
jurisdiction you know the question you have is is, how
can a federal case federal court deal with let's say
the issue of a regulation or something of more of
a civil nature and its ruling applies nationwide and not

(01:54:49):
just within. The confines of that. Area not criminal but
civil let's say they were to pass, a rule as
let's say striking down Iministrative ruling, on from, the trump
administration you. Know something along those lines and that's the.
Part that gets, people crazy, but this, is of course
you know this is a. Federal tribunal for one thing.

(01:55:13):
That's one of the, considerations, and this, is called like.
For example a nationwide injunction see a federal trial judge,
sits in one, geographic district, but the defendant for example
may be a federal agency or a cabinet official. Who
administers a policy nationwide so if the judge concludes that,
a federal rule is unlawful the judge may order that,

(01:55:34):
the defendant not enforce it. Sometimes anywhere in that country and.
The theory is pretty straightforward the court, is controlling the
federal defendant but before it not. Directly commanding every other
district does that? Make, Any sense to you, yeah and by.
The way, it's very controversial in fact one district judge can,

(01:55:55):
effectively suspend, the presidential administrations let's, say national policy for everyone,
including people who never sued while. The case proceeds through
appeal and then there's also this thing regarding judicial overreach and,
judge shopping and farm shopping and defenders of this say
a federal rule cannot Logically be held lawful In. Florida

(01:56:19):
but unlawful IN california remember, this is i to say,
if your ox is gored if this, is something that
benefits you you are. Absolutely in favor of it if,
it's something that, you think wait, a minute this is ridiculous?
How dare you do this this is this, is a,
you know. What to me a favor i'm going to

(01:56:39):
put you. ON hold for a second i want to
spend MORE time with. YOU because i like this. I
want to address this our number is eight three three
nine six' nine four four four seven a three three nine.
Six nine four Four four seven we returned to bob,
coming up and asking a question how can one judge
basically act as a like a one man legislature in

(01:57:02):
negating or reversing and. Administration's policy or protocol or procedures
all coming Up next On. Another side of midnight.

Speaker 7 (01:57:13):
With lionel It's.

Speaker 1 (01:57:25):
Another, side of midnight? With Lionel.

Speaker 4 (01:57:51):
Ah What Is hip ray jauer ba bam city lineup
with our number eight three three nine. Sixty nine Four
four four seven bob and, riverhead Asked, A very interesting
question and bob i wanted to spend some time. With
you in, twenty twenty five your question, was how, can
a Court Decide let's Say In, the southern district of

(01:58:16):
new york, that something is unconstitutional or unlawful and it
applies to everybody in, the country who never even sued
who never, even was a Party. To this, let's say
in arizona? Let's, say how does this work well, the
case pretty much was done was reversed In Twenty. Twenty
five by The supreme COURT, it WAS called. Trump against casa,

(01:58:38):
this cisa case and before that. Let's say you were
a plaintiff you, could sue in One Federal district Let's Say,
the southern district of new york and ask one judge
to stop A, federal policy for everyone in america even
though millions of people who were effective. Were not parties

(01:58:59):
of the lawsuit that judge my in issue, what was
called a universal injunction and it prevented the. Government from
Enforcing The policy anywhere so the supreme court. Said that
is generally, too broad, federal court's traditional role that ruled

(01:59:19):
is to protect the, parties who actually brought the case
not automatically rewrite the. Government policy for, the entire, country
so let's Say for example let's say the trump administration
they ADOPT, a rule let's call it. X whatever The
hell that is, let's say california sues and wins so
the court may stop this rule or statute or code

(01:59:43):
Or whatever it is from. Harming california and the other
plaintiffs the judge ordinarily, may not prohibit that rule nationwide merely.
Because the judge believes it's illegal other states or individuals.
May bring similar cases so wide but you're, talking about this.
Nationwide relief though can still? OCCUR how can we do

(02:00:06):
this a court could certify a nationwide class and, they're
bringing like a class action or a bunch of states
could sue. And require broader relief for so but but
the key distinction. You bring up is very important declaring
us a policy, unlawful explains the court's legal conclusion but

(02:00:27):
an injunction determines who. Receives the protection from the policy so.
You bring it's an excellent point and for a man
that we could, Barely understand on the phone, before you've,
come a LONG way my friend anything, else, I, can
help you, with sir.

Speaker 9 (02:00:41):
Well HERE'S the issue right from what i understand is the,
Ninety four district federal district courts and the confusing part
is to take, the Case of what's his name kilmar
garcia That's, got THE port of del salvador and i
think it was this case. Sort of plane got turned
around now you have, an agency that should be deported

(02:01:05):
and then you have one federal district judge that is
able to overrule. The entire action of the agency, and
when you think about it as, well as ninety four
district courts you wonder why they would have authority outside
the jurisdiction of their district and then. Able to affect
that entire country, So that, that was the question i'm

(02:01:26):
like how can they how can they judge. Have, the
authority beyond his district.

Speaker 4 (02:01:30):
Well this fellow of us, have had some kind of.
Contact minimum CONTACT with that jurisdiction if if I Were
to Go To the southern, district, of new york and
Say uh we WANT this honorable cord to enjoin? Ice
from protecting Where.

Speaker 2 (02:01:46):
Is he Oh.

Speaker 4 (02:01:47):
He's, in arizona he's, in arizona yeah wait a Minute?
Why don't you go to arizona? Now we're, going to
come here. They said get out. Of here so a
different story so this kilmorearm may have had some type of,
some connection here at least presently and the judge can
order whoever the federal agency IS it seeks TO seize him.

(02:02:10):
Ice or, THE dhs or whatever my. Friend i thank.
You so much an, excellent, point thank. You a great
great great question our number eight three three nine. Six'
nine Four four Four Seven. Let's go to anthony on
long island they're On. Another side. Of been night with
lionel he's gone how About let Me See. Here, he's

(02:02:36):
gonna robert in north carolina robert you're On Another, Side, Of, Bed, Night.

Speaker 7 (02:02:40):
With lionel.

Speaker 8 (02:02:43):
Hillo lionel hello robert luigi he can be prosecuted for
the exact same crime in both federal and, state courts
under the rule of sovereigns the law, of sovereigns without.

Speaker 4 (02:03:03):
The law of sovereigns SOVEREIGNS WITH.

Speaker 8 (02:03:06):
THE GUN CASE SOVEREIGNS.

Speaker 4 (02:03:10):
S O V, e r e i, g n, s sovereign. Like, sovereign,
NATION sovereign immunity sovereign authority.

Speaker 8 (02:03:19):
Yes okay i Believe it was a gun case in
maryland where uh defendant was prosecuted under state and, federal
law for the exact same crimes and he was convicted in. Both,
COURTS under the.

Speaker 4 (02:03:35):
Rule of sovereigns well i don't know i've. Never heard
of the rule of sovereigns The Problem is that the rule,
in new york, has a much broader a more plenary
a more restrictive double, jeopardy law at the. State court
level which it can do it can say you cannot

(02:03:59):
charge some in state court when he basically. Has BEEN
found guilty in federal, court of, i mean, the same,
everything same. Transaction Same Plays. Same victims same everything that's.
New york other. Places may be Different California was different
remember in. The rodney king CASE and Those Officers they
were charged, i think simi valley in one case they

(02:04:21):
were charged of state court and then federal. Court for
kind of the. Same behavior though remember they're, Always different
but the rule. Of sovereigns I've Never heard of that but,
in new. York it's a different story.

Speaker 8 (02:04:36):
All right.

Speaker 11 (02:04:39):
The defendant had claimed that double jeopardy raised the double,
jeopardy defense right in the second court And That, was
tossed aside by the. Supreme court And The convenient was
upheld but.

Speaker 4 (02:04:54):
In new york it's a different story they're. Going to be.
Dealing With This one it's different here the supreme court.
No Oftentimes selectively Believes In states rights the state of
new york can be far more restrictive when it comes
to this. Than any other state of the nation, if
it's so elects. TO do that it's Up To.

Speaker 9 (02:05:15):
Them i don't.

Speaker 8 (02:05:18):
Believe, the Supreme court made that. Distinction no they.

Speaker 4 (02:05:23):
It's Been Done before they've said, this the supreme court
Allows the State The state of the state of new.
York cannot be forced to. Prosecute anybody, it's discretionary to,
an extent, they're saying under Their Constitution their rules, it
is against New York constitutional law not federal but new

(02:05:48):
york to basically charge the same case if, it's the
same transaction and same everything despite what. You THINK about
the law of sovereigns and i. Thank you so much
for Your Call. Let's, go to gym on statton island
jim you're On Another Side Of.

Speaker 2 (02:06:01):
Midnight.

Speaker 7 (02:06:02):
With the lionel he.

Speaker 6 (02:06:04):
Lionel lee uh you mentioned that the. Sunset might have
been a, syntanic situation, bringing That Forward to, today these.
Guys the charlie kirk murderer this guy do you think
that they could be triggering them through logarithms on, their
social AND website stuff TO.

Speaker 4 (02:06:28):
Yeah like those i suppose it's i suppose it's kind
of pop Almost like a like. AN mk, ULTRA manchurian
candidates or they i mean i wouldn't, that.

Speaker 6 (02:06:38):
Was, more like. They were like you know program program
but these ragorithms CAN make you say you're on a
i don't want.

Speaker 2 (02:06:47):
To mention one.

Speaker 6 (02:06:47):
Because then they might put it down. But it's a
letter of the alphabet, it could if you watch certain,
things it gives, you more of. It more of it
more of it you would have.

Speaker 4 (02:06:58):
A difficult time trying to explain that you would have
a very difficult time trying to explain? THAT to, ANYBODY
about how it. Could i mean, i suppose it could
the question is let me ask you?

Speaker 9 (02:07:10):
What?

Speaker 4 (02:07:10):
MOTIVATES somebody to do, these things, oh i COULDN'T.

Speaker 6 (02:07:16):
Fathom it YOU know nor.

Speaker 4 (02:07:18):
Could, i so if? I say to you what is
It people are always? Right as they could? It be
music could? It be books could it be literature could?

Speaker 10 (02:07:27):
It be could It Be?

Speaker 4 (02:07:29):
The news could it BE? Wi fi could it? Be
five g could? It be psychotropic could it be vaccines
could could? Could maybe try proving?

Speaker 6 (02:07:42):
They're weak people why are?

Speaker 4 (02:07:44):
They weak but why are they weak.

Speaker 6 (02:07:47):
Because they're looking for something, to uh make their life not,
whole but, to have something in life you know so
that they. Could you Make a mark on society.

Speaker 4 (02:07:59):
I'm gonna i'm going to say something. That you're going
to think is crazy what if? These people were brave
to do this what? If it took guts, To do
that crazy as it. Sounds but they're not weak at
all what if they believe? They're doing something for a common?
Good have you ever, heard of somebody every, now and.
Then somebody will say this somebody has let's say, their child,

(02:08:22):
is abducted or god forbid sexually abused and a parent
will find that person who. Didn't hunt them down and.
Kill them most of, us applaud that, Most of us.
SAY good for. YOU we understand completely i take that i.
Think that takes guts to do. That, granted you're risking

(02:08:42):
your own life okay If somebody, says in the IN
the mangoni, case as crazy as i, THINK is but
if clearer thought says i, believe THAT these insurance companies
are evil and i want to teach these people the
lesson that you can't treat people like this and, the
only way to get, their attention because remember after this

(02:09:06):
happened they took names. Off of of course, THEY did
rationally and by the way i don't in, any way
countenance or agree, to this, But Some, people would say
you know bill maher when, he did that show call
politically incorrect he one time said that he believed that
the nine to eleven hijackers were actually very brave because

(02:09:29):
it takes it takes guts to fly a plane, into
a building or. Whatever IT was and that. WAS crazy
so i don't really know i, DON'T know what makes
people do this i. Will never UNDERSTAND because here's.

Speaker 10 (02:09:41):
The thing you and i.

Speaker 4 (02:09:42):
Aren't killers what would make. Let let's let's go a step.
Further i've been fascinated by serial killers how do you
take SOMEBODY who all of a sudden feels i have
an urge and. Urge, to go On and to kill.
Now what's interesting it is so rare maybe less than

(02:10:02):
ten percent of the population. Is a psychopath serial killers,
even less you can go to, prisons you can talk
to absolute psychopaths and a lot. Of these serial, killers
are not psychopaths and you say what? Is, it that,
made him do it. Well you see they had three
things normally they always talk about, innuasist blood not blood loving,

(02:10:24):
a bedwetting teasing. Animals and starting fires being an arsonist
there are, Other people who've had that? Happen too or
what about their family other people have, had bad families
and they were abused and they went, their beds and
they burned down buildings they teased animals and they. Were
abused and they never did this? Why do some people

(02:10:45):
act like this what is it that makes somebody abandoned
to risk, their, LIFE to sit there and. Say look
i gotta calm this down i'm going to spend the
rest of my life in prison to go out in
the middle of, the night and find some street walker
some poor. Hooker, AND kill her. And DISMEMBER her why

(02:11:06):
i don't know so I will go THROUGH.

Speaker 6 (02:11:10):
Me because when. I GOT on i thought. One way
now i think, another way it is? Kind of like what?

Speaker 9 (02:11:16):
Do?

Speaker 2 (02:11:16):
You think what do? You? Think now?

Speaker 8 (02:11:19):
WHAT do you think now?

Speaker 6 (02:11:21):
You change I think? The banonsa GUY how did i?

Speaker 8 (02:11:25):
Change how DID?

Speaker 4 (02:11:26):
I change your perspective how.

Speaker 6 (02:11:28):
Did i i once went on a case and they,
were they were trying to find jurors and they did the,
outside thing where they they watch people whatever they do
to people to see. Which way they'll lean on the
case and. Every lawyer that spoke changed my. Opinion and you,
Just changed my OPINION so you know but.

Speaker 1 (02:11:49):
How did i?

Speaker 4 (02:11:50):
CHANGE your opinion.

Speaker 8 (02:11:51):
From.

Speaker 4 (02:11:52):
WHAT to what I don't know how i.

Speaker 6 (02:11:54):
Can't see i can't see a guy you know What They. Show,
on the me killed charlie kirk yeah just getting up
one day and taking his grandfa's thing and going up. On,
A roof and shooting the. GUY oh i.

Speaker 4 (02:12:09):
Don't, BELIEVE he did i don't believe. Oh, i don't believe. That,
at all yeah he's. A patsy absolutely that. Case is ridiculous,
look at the, case by the. Way here's a combination
here's a combination One of The Most Interesting CASES is sir.
Han or saran saran i remember him and this, is
a guy who decided One, DAY if this case isn't.

(02:12:32):
Mk ultra i don't know what is he wakes up
one day, and he goes out and they said he
finds himself in. Prison or, whatever he's in or? Jail he,
goes what did they? Do he said what?

Speaker 7 (02:12:42):
Do you Mean What?

Speaker 2 (02:12:42):
Did?

Speaker 4 (02:12:43):
You do you shot bobby kennedy Why Because? Of his, position,
in the middle east he Said Well? What's his, position
in The. Middle east, he, said well you're jordanian he
said well hell does? THAT have TO do with A What,
i don't i don't. Mind bobby, kennedy but you killed
him so anyway so they looked at the number of
bullets that he COULD have possibly fired from his. But

(02:13:05):
i think it was like eight. It was a pretty
different interesting Cylinder And There was a fellow named fane
eugene caesar who. Was A Kind of a hired gun
bobby Kennedy junior. Talking about this and the Kupdi Grass
the actual shot that took bobby kennedy out was behind.
The ear and it was so close they. Had Stippling

(02:13:26):
and they had close. Contact sir hansohann was across. The
room he was nowhere near it there were more bullets
fired that. Night than. He even had his. Guns it's
crazy SO here's another question not only do i not
understand why he would HAVE done this if you believe
The Mk ultra, OR mind control, or manchurian canada whatever

(02:13:46):
i don't know but why do You believe so many
people in? The kennedy family don't care About This why aren't, they,
GOING to donald trump and saying LISTEN i don't give a.
Damn about UFOs Or whatever it is why did they

(02:14:06):
what do you know about why they killed our? Uncle
and why they. Killed our father this is A Nothing.
But Two was talking about. Charlie kirk Tyler. Robinson is
on trial His wife erica instead of. Saying to kendice
almost another's thank you do you? Think somebody else was involved.
IN this She Basically said TWO things i forgive tyler

(02:14:27):
robinson and i. Want you to speed this trial up
if anybody told me that the official narrative of the,
PEOPLE who killed, my father, was wrong i would say tell.
ME thank you for caring about this i don't understand
how people. THINK when you're trying. TO help them i
don't get it. I don't get a lot of things,
I DON'T get this in the least but i. Thank

(02:14:50):
you for calling my dear friend eight three three. Nine
six' nine four four four seven Let me say A.
Great shout out to jackson and bill lee. Look at
this what we're doing right now. You, don't even, Know,
how primitive this is benny And bayside Benny you're on another.

Speaker 8 (02:15:08):
Side.

Speaker 4 (02:15:08):
Of, midnight, with, lionel.

Speaker 9 (02:15:12):
Kind of illegally? Benny, yes, yes sir do.

Speaker 5 (02:15:15):
You.

Speaker 9 (02:15:15):
Hear me yes sir you're very good question as far
as every other week we read in the paper house
some crazy guy assaulted a woman, who was arrested fourteen
times this year, Alone right and was given desk appearance tickets,
and those, tickets came, and went like whatever forty days
fifty days however long. He has to come back in

(02:15:35):
the pier but. He was arrested after that? Appearance ticket
expired why is she not held? Why is that? Person
not held my hand the earthly?

Speaker 4 (02:15:47):
Idea why THE person is even allowed to how. Do
i say this even. Walk the planet here's ANOTHER one
for YOU this is one that i got. When i
was in traffic, court years ago we had this one
guy okay man and he had. HE had, more DUIs
than you can imagine i mean he just The guy

(02:16:07):
was Like The the the. Al capone or the, charles,
MANAGET of dui and, the JUDGE says okay i. Find
YOU'RE guilty and i suspend your license and i looked
at his record and you could you could. Just look
at it from. ACROSS the, room it was just so
thick i said now. You run or he doesn't. Have a,
license he, doesn't have A license?

Speaker 1 (02:16:29):
You know HE says?

Speaker 2 (02:16:30):
What do, i do what?

Speaker 1 (02:16:31):
Do i do he says.

Speaker 4 (02:16:32):
Suspend, His license he doesn't have? A license okay well.
What about multiple charges so guess what, happened, had he,
been just given his second third or fourth. He would
have looked at mandatory jail time, but because he elevated
it to a felony, now we're in circuit court versus.
County court and now he's looks up probation so he's.
Better off being charged, Five or six times it. Doesn't make.

(02:16:57):
Me none of it makes it de sense. Let me tell, you, what,
the judge did so he says. Okay well, let, me
give you a, story he said.

Speaker 9 (02:17:05):
So thank you.

Speaker 4 (02:17:05):
Very much and he leaves he walks out so the.
Judge tells, the you had these state troopers. He says,
could you please approach the bench. HE says this guy
doesn't have a. License i want you to go, follow
him if he. Gets in, the car you will rush him.
So anyway he, gets this car sure enough after, leaving
court he's in the courthouse parking lot gets in the car.

Speaker 2 (02:17:30):
AND he is.

Speaker 4 (02:17:30):
Surrounded by every smokey bear.

Speaker 8 (02:17:34):
I think in.

Speaker 4 (02:17:34):
Court they, all came out, he looks around he goes
oh my god now they. Got him for driving with
a suspended license now that's. The one. That's got the
penalty behind. It it's nuts let me also. TELL you
let me go a step further i can show you
That There might Be in the city. Of new york
Or Dayton or any place maybe maybe, in new york.

(02:17:58):
There might be teve hundred maybe two thousand but let's
make it, let's, just, say twelve hundred. Absolute worst people
recidivius lunatics you name it if we, had a task
for us that targeted them charging with, habitual fellon the
offender of three, times round whatever you want to call

(02:18:18):
it we could make the world better because those twelve
hundred people commit like. Eighty percent of the of the part.
Point i'm going to give you. ANOTHER story i've Got
A friend of mine.

Speaker 9 (02:18:32):
I, got a new york commit all, you know. Not
all the clients like right.

Speaker 4 (02:18:36):
Exactly exactly let me give you. Another story i've got
a friend, of mine this guy is a hardcore conservative
rock ribbed. Right wing. Whatever, you want to call it
good Guy. Okay he moved for a while, to china he,
HAD a girlfriend or Something. And he said i know
about this china so he's, walking around in this little,

(02:18:58):
neighborhood or county whatever, the cities are, called and, on
every pole, like you know a telephone poll. Or wall there's,
a picture of this guy and he. Says of, course
he can Reach On. These he Goes my name is
captain lee. Let's say i'm in charge, of this. Sector
if you have a. Problem, call me, this is my cell,

(02:19:20):
number anybody, bothers you anybody any any problem call me
and sure enough you can call him and he answers
the phone and they will come, up because the, crimes
a little, bit different and, they say what's the problem
and they, say see. That guy there in the neighborhood
he's crazy. And they look and. THEY say thank you
next day. HE'S gone i don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:19:40):
Where he is i.

Speaker 4 (02:19:41):
Don't want to know they are so, active and the
reason why is they say like of the old, days
of CompStat if you if he doesn't if he doesn't
meet the, satisfaction of the individuals who work for him,
that he's charged with. Those in the area, he'll lose
his job now another thing. Too is so my friend

(02:20:04):
is Just astonished so he happens, to meet some chinese
policeman and he's. Expecting but, they're just they're very good
people so anyway they're. Talking to, one and the guy
asked me. He says, let, me ask you, a question
he says. Well all, due respect they're very. Very polite he,
said let me ask you so he said this may
sound terrible if somebody raped and murdered your daughter or

(02:20:26):
just let's let's. Just say rape your daughter? In your
country what would? Happen to him what, would, happen to
him and my friend said well he probably would, be
eventually he would maybe do. Some jail, but probably. Not the,
first time, he says uh huh maybe probation uh. Huh
or maybe a minimum? Amount? Of time, what, about life, in,
prison now he said okay he says? NOW do, you

(02:20:49):
know what would happen here. I said, PROVIDED he's. Found guilty, or,
whatever he said i know. He said oh execute him
very very quickly and the reason why, is you don't
do that to our. Children or to, our wives or
our daughters. And they say our you don't do, that

(02:21:10):
when you heard, one of our children, one of our
women one. Of our citizens you hurt all of, us and.
He looked at me and said that's beautiful. But we
don't do that in this country. We don't do THIS
because we have people we have, these i, don't know if,
it's democratic socialists left wingers whatever it was who want.

(02:21:33):
To apply this weird kind of restorative justice this is
that sorrow's esque restorative, justice where we look at quote
non carcarole we want? To find out why do. People
commit crimes? Why, do THEY do this, what motivates them

(02:21:54):
no it's i don't know. Not even but don't even
care about. That we just want, to realize that maybe and.
By the way thank you for your call and what
happened is they'll take a woman and, they'll thank you,
to have a woman who let let's Say is abused
and she. Has to meet. This is under restorative justice
look this. Up she'll have to meet with her assailant

(02:22:14):
why so. That both of them can, have an understanding
she's terrified with this, guy and if she. Doesn't meet
with him. The charges. ARE dropped this is. Victim intimidation,
IT'S bizarre i promise you. SOMETHING years ago, i had
a law professor I Loved him and he. Had this showdod,

(02:22:36):
action andy talk like that he, was brilliant but he
had a Cut mind You Kind of Like A Matt
lock or racehorse hanes or, bobby, lee cook or, one
of these times Who. By the way, was the, inspiration
for mattlock and, he said and somebody this is years
ago somebody broke in is remember when we had when
people would steal your radios and there was. A sign
of cars and said no. Radio remember that People Would.

(02:22:58):
STEAL your radio he's here in new york, i don't
know about where, we were anyway but. They got, HIS
radio and he. Tells, me he says i got a.
Question now let's assume let's hear me out let's assume
that We have, a new law, that says effective january,
one twenty twenty seven or twenty. Twenty eight but we
get people playing, time if we catch you stealing the

(02:23:22):
radio we will take you to the courthouse and. Set
you on fire in front of everybody we Will. Set
you on fire twenty twenty seven, january if you want
to steal a. Radio get It out, of your system
now but come january, first twenty twenty seven or twenty.

(02:23:45):
Twenty eight. We, will set you on fire he. Said
now let me ask, you a. Question somebody's going up,
you know try it. They're gonna, say nah they don't.
Mean that sure enough we're gonna get. Some but, He
was set them on fire he said now do you
think the number do you think the number of radio

(02:24:06):
thefts will go up or go down once the word.
Gets out, That, we set people on fire he says
now Let's assume you. Said THAT'S the craziest thing, i've ever.
Heard and i said to you you're right, you know
the best way. To protest it to. Make it go
away don't steal, a radio, if you don't steal. A radio,

(02:24:28):
for hell the nobody get burned. You see you, have,
the control of that? And HE said, now why is,
THAT illogical and i said you. KNOW what i can't.
THINK of any reason i never SOUNDS draconian I know
it sounds like and i and i am ONE of
these people who it's. NOT that i was never a

(02:24:48):
bleeding heart i believe that sometimes first time, offenders we
should because. Believe it or not probation workssilla business lower
but there are people.

Speaker 1 (02:25:01):
Who.

Speaker 4 (02:25:01):
JUST should be taken off the streets now, i don't
believe necessarily in The death penalty but we've got plenty,
of if we've got room for, data centers, we have room,
for you know not hellholes not double islands but, warehouse
prisons in the, middle of.

Speaker 2 (02:25:21):
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:25:22):
Places where not deserts per se There's a lot of
land here and warehouse these people abb, ablutely let people
know that Whatever You. Do don't bother people in the
united states but the Problem, Is, when you have a mayor,
like mom donnie when you have d essay when you
have a lot of people, coming in, who want to

(02:25:43):
understand the reasons the basis. The kind of the cognitive
and societal, strictures as long as. We have THOSE people
we have a, problem So what i, think we should,
do like i've told you for certain cases warn them
and then. Take him outside? And set them? On fire

(02:26:04):
is that crazy let me know eight three. Three nine
six nine four four four seven this is a line.
Up With you on another Side of Midnight.

Speaker 1 (02:26:15):
H it's another side of midnight. With, Lionel.

Speaker 2 (02:28:28):
I write a.

Speaker 4 (02:28:28):
Lineup with you oh tom waite's very good eight three.
THREE nine six nine four. Four four seven i still.

Speaker 7 (02:28:38):
Like a song the.

Speaker 4 (02:28:39):
Piano has been drinking Now that's a song let me.
See if i've had time for. One cart the Calls
have Been absolutely superlative, Let's, See if roger in westchester
Is there roger You're. ON another side of. Midnight with
a Lionel.

Speaker 2 (02:28:53):
I would Miss this, the brands in vinyl people know
luigi's name but nobody remembers the. Guy at the correspondence
did it that lunatic nobody knows the Name of the
guy who Shot that beautiful. National guards woman just before
thanksgiving Last Year nobody, remembers the name Of, the boulder

(02:29:14):
city Firebomb. Of that psycho. PATH but they know luigi
they love it i. Was listening to the news the
other day This guy. Couldn't go two words without saying.
Luigi's NAME so there's something really about, that.

Speaker 12 (02:29:26):
But, i just want to tell you?

Speaker 2 (02:29:28):
Say son what do you think?

Speaker 11 (02:29:29):
IT is, what do you think it is?

Speaker 9 (02:29:32):
I think what do you think?

Speaker 2 (02:29:33):
It is, who cares about, what, they hate but anyways
the thing is.

Speaker 4 (02:29:36):
Uh tell me my question is what? Why do you?

Speaker 10 (02:29:41):
Think?

Speaker 8 (02:29:41):
He is so different?

Speaker 4 (02:29:43):
WHAT is it what what is Your? Theory i just
said it they?

Speaker 2 (02:29:46):
HATED italians or what else could it be i mean
to keep mentioning This guy.

Speaker 4 (02:29:50):
Couldn't go two words.

Speaker 2 (02:29:51):
Without saying luigi's Name. Nobody knows the correspondence.

Speaker 9 (02:29:54):
And the psycho path.

Speaker 4 (02:29:58):
Let me get this you're telling me the reason why
people Are. Talking about him is because they hate italians.

Speaker 12 (02:30:07):
They.

Speaker 2 (02:30:07):
Keep, repeating his name. Because, they hate italians.

Speaker 4 (02:30:09):
Yeah that's his name. Okay let me let. Me try,
this again he's, in federal court he's. Young he's twenty
eight from a rich family he had, he's not your.
Average run of the mill you know murderer he's basically
He's taken. On a not not a robin hood aspect but.

(02:30:32):
A lot of people have found him admirable you don't
see any reason why people might why this case might be,
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (02:30:40):
Different if There's A, murder what's the difference look. At
lakeln riley the guy. Who murdered hud no one knows, his, name.

Speaker 9 (02:30:48):
No one even?

Speaker 8 (02:30:49):
Says to you say?

Speaker 4 (02:30:50):
ARE you telling me are you telling Me.

Speaker 2 (02:30:52):
I used to Say, the guy from venezuela? That's what
they okay are you telling me?

Speaker 4 (02:30:57):
Let me tell you Something one more time you're telling
me that, THE reason why he is this young. Man
a lot of women find him attractive he. Has basically
spoken on behalf Of, an industry he's. Almost like, a
robin hood unlike. The others bad people bad bad bad
people and the, only reason, why people are talking about him,
in fact many Of. Them fondly. INTERESTINGLY enough is because he's. Italian.

(02:31:21):
That's good I. Never Saw that one, come what.

Speaker 2 (02:31:25):
About, berkowitz after burkowitz was arrested the murders stops.

Speaker 4 (02:31:29):
HE said, it because it's because He's? Genius i mean
is it because he's Jewish Is, That why People, we
talked about burkowitz's no i'm?

Speaker 2 (02:31:37):
Saying burkele would you say he is innocent so why?

Speaker 9 (02:31:40):
Did?

Speaker 2 (02:31:40):
The, Murders stop, after he.

Speaker 4 (02:31:41):
Was arrested no no and well one of the reasons.

Speaker 2 (02:31:43):
Why the Murders stopped after he was arrested so why.

Speaker 4 (02:31:47):
One of the reasons why the murder, stopped is because
people were looking for. Them the people that he was
involved with that other people have noticed said. This is
not a good venture. For us, let, let's stay away
from This.

Speaker 2 (02:32:01):
Well listen first. The first shooting was april nineteen seventy.
Six it was used for. Thirty eight caliber. The woman
is still alive She Id'd Him And Two years ago
the new york city police, department put that case that
that's that uh that shooting. As part of burke which.

Speaker 4 (02:32:20):
Is my friend we, will talk again again. Thank, you
so much a, Most, Fascinating call indeed Thank. You so
much bill thank. You and jackson let me tell you
something they, will never know, what you, went through tonight
the extra work the effort and, your ability. To adapt
to collapse like nobody nobody Better my friends. Follow me

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