Another Side of Midnight With Lionel - Digital World Safety, New Ruling of the Luigi Mangione Case and More !!!

On Todays Program on Other Side of Midnight With Lionel, His Breaks-Out With an Early Hour Segment With Lynn’s Warriors, Regarding Child Safety and Digital Predation. To Which Lynn Warns Parents About the Dangers of AI and Unmonitored Technology in Classrooms, Specifically Criticizing Platforms Like Roblox and I-Ready for Potentially Exploiting Student Data. Throughout the Show Talks Lionel About the Recent Ruling on the Luigi Mangione Case. And Much More to Come !!!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's another side of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
My loan.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
I know, I know nine I know, I know, I know,
I know, I know, I know, I know.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
I need.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
Another side of Midnight. I'm not going to tell you
which one. You got to figure that out for yourself. Ah,
the sound of the landline.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
You know.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
One of the things which I'm so proud of is
that I have not abandoned a landline here in New
York City because you just need them. And guess what
it has a two one two area code. About that.
Here's something, my friends, I'm so glad you are with us.

(01:09):
Will be here until five a m. Eastern time. This
is how we spend our weekend, and I'm so glad
that you again are here, provided you are here. If
you're not here, I'm deeply angered and rebuffed by your absence.
What I normally do is we start off with a

(01:29):
piece of kind of an introduction, and then right around
twenty or so after the hour, we will normally bring
on my wife Lynshaw from Lynd's Warriors to bring you
up to speed as to what's going on. But in
a little bit of a programming change this weekend, in fact,

(01:51):
let's see if the incredibly talented, the lovely and talented
mister Bill Lee can fire up this, I say. I
always like to tell Bill at the last minut it
major changes, which is it's good to keep him on
his toes because because Bill always says challenge me, he
doesn't remember saying that. But that's the music. It is

(02:13):
Warrior Weekend and we have so much to discuss.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
No, I love that music.

Speaker 5 (02:27):
That's right, my friend.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
This is Warrior Weekend. I normally we'll start off at
you know, twenty or so, but we've got we cannot
wait because so much is going on this week and
I want to bring you and make you aware of it.
Our guest is always is my beloved wife, Lynn Shaw
from Lynswarriors dot org Lin's Warriors on YouTube and Lin's
Underscore Warriors on x. This is well, I don't even

(02:51):
know what today. This is an absolute cacophony of news stories,
a veritable endless may lounge, a myriad mosaic of critical
stories regarding child predation and the like. And I bring
to the to the to the microphones right now, my wife,
the lovely and talent also Lynn Shaw from LYNZ Warriors.
Wifey welcome back.

Speaker 6 (03:13):
Good morning, Linel, thank you so much. I mean, this
has been a blockbuster week and I want everybody to
think about this. Wake up America, because so much is
happening surrounding our kids, surrounding our families, that everybody's got
to start getting I'm bored. The days of sitting on
the sidelines are over. It's a brand new world, and

(03:34):
people have to wake up because our precious kids. There
really is a war on for our children. There is
no denying this. They're being hit, Linel, from every angle.
And I know people are busy, and that's what predators
count on. When everybody is busy and not paying attention,
they can move right in there. But our kids, remember, everybody,

(03:55):
precious adults, precious American leaders, this is what's happening today.
They are really under the gun of all of this predation.
So we want to make everybody aware of what's happening.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
Now, let's also do this because just to bring people
up to speed, there are so many avenues of this. There's,
of course, what's going on in the world. There's AI,
there's big tech, there's legislation, there's government, there's this sluggish,
if not torpid, a non movement of government. And also
there are also some wonderful people by the way, who

(04:30):
are helping out tremendously. So let's just take it from
any angle. I don't want to direct you. What do
you think? And this is so important, what do you think?
Where should we start off with? What you consider to
be critical?

Speaker 6 (04:44):
Listen, this is back to school time. I think that
is a good point to jump off from, because, like
you said, there is so much happening, and what people
do they do become too overwhelmed, so they close their eyes,
they shut the door, they don't want to address anything. Okay,
so we have to break it. So let's start with
them back to school time. But basically this week I
was thinking about it and it's you know, kids are moving.

(05:07):
It's faster and faster into this digital and dangerous world,
much faster, and something I learned from you. I mean,
as a lawyer, you know, the law lags behind technology.
So the kids are moving into this dangerous world of AI.
Now it's in the schools and it's moving faster than
parents than we have the warriors, than institutions you know

(05:29):
protecting them can even keep up with. So we've got
to break it down it's back to school time, and
right now it is a good time for you to
review the top of the school year. What's happening in
your child's classroom. When I say child, you know, this
includes kids in high school, this includes your kids go
to college. I know it's more difficult when the kids

(05:49):
are older, but you've got to have that conversation with
them about technology in the classroom. You have every rate
as this parent or caregiver go in, you know, try
to get some of your friends other parents go in
and ask, you know, what, what kind of technology will
be in the classroom. How many hours a day will

(06:09):
my child be on the technology? What is expected of them?
What are the programs? Because I am tired of hearing
the beginning of every school year, and last year was bad.

Speaker 7 (06:19):
This year is worse.

Speaker 6 (06:20):
Okay, because some schools Florida just started, Georgia started first.
Here in New York, we go back in two weeks.
Parents usually get a list and you know, parental consent
to use these platforms. And last year in New York
it was like thirty one thirty one platforms lineal. But
what they don't tell you those thirty one platforms, your

(06:41):
child is open to other platforms, using these platforms. If
this makes sense to you, you know, again it's opening
the world to them. So we've got to find out
exactly what's going on in the classroom, what our children
will be doing. But again, you can do all of
this to be honest, because that is what we are.
We give the truth at the Warriors. You've got to

(07:03):
start in your home. You've got to start the discussion
with your child. It's got to be a family discussion.
You've got to include your children, make them a part
of it. Kids don't want to be told don't do this,
don't do this, d d DA. You've got to just
talk to them. The kids are very smart, very savvy.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
What are.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
In case somebody doesn't understand, what exactly are we talking about?
What are these items? What are the what are the
real specific worries and fears that you're highlighting here?

Speaker 6 (07:32):
What in particular, I'm highlighting that we have learned so
much about the online world, about the internet, from studies,
from doctors, from from just kids themselves, from parents. Right, Remember,
parents are the first line of defense. Now I say
that a lot that I have to tell you something

(07:54):
nobody really brings up. What about all the kids out
there that don't have right really parents watching them. That's
always what are we going to do with all these kids?
So they end up perhaps in schools. So we have teachers.
Now the teachers are reporting, and here where we are
in New York City, New York State, the teachers are

(08:17):
very confused. Now they're not going to say this out
loud pretty much because they have their jobs, right, their
jobs are at stake, their livelihood about all of this
technology that they've been forced to put in the classrooms
told they're using it. And also AI. Nobody understands about AI.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
In the mid now.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
Now you absolutely look.

Speaker 6 (08:40):
Several years ago, overall the public school education system in
the United States was sold the bill of goods. It
sounded good at the time. We want to put Chrome books,
which are from Google. We're going to put millions of
them in the classrooms. We're going to give every child
this tablet and it will help them. They won't have
to carry textbooks. They'll have the knowledge at their fingertips.

(09:04):
It'll be great. Now we've learned anything. But that was
the beginning of technology replacing not only the textbook, the notebook,
the pen and the pencil the actual teacher, the human
being in front of the classroom that can read a
child better than a computer. So now we're down to

(09:24):
I mentioned thirty one different platforms in New York that
parents were checking off last year. We'll see what it
is this year. And those platforms include things like Roadblocks,
which we the warriors have talked about extensively. It's a
gaming app. Okay. Now, the problem is on all of
these platforms, the chlmebooks were put into classrooms with no guardrails.

(09:48):
Google could have easily, you know, put safety by default
on these millions of devices.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
And they need what kind of safety? Give us an
idea of some of the safety. What they could have done.

Speaker 6 (09:59):
They could have turned off certain you know r l's
and things like that, so a child did not have access.
Oh you have your chromebook, Okay, you can also go on.
This is an example. I could also access OnlyFans. Do
you see to how simpleness would have been if they
would How about you know, I was speaking to somebody yesterday.
Let me break this down a little bit. In the

(10:20):
justice system, I'll say, and she could not you know,
you could only use certain things on the computer. You know,
certain websites, certain URLs. You can't access everything. Right, This
person was telling me, why didn't we put you know,
in front of children, and we're talking now. Computers are
in the classrooms k through twelve. Why would listen? Why

(10:44):
would kids in kindergarten need computers? Why would kids you know,
there's different consensus on this. Why would any kids, you know,
before seventh eighth grade, maybe for computer science, maybe to
learn some coding, having a you know, you know, a
technolog energy class. I'm saying it's replacing the human teacher,

(11:05):
the teachers in some school A lot of schools actually
reporting back to me. My warriors on the ground across
the country are now managing, you know, the digital footprint
of each child in the classroom. They have the teachers
on their desk a big computer with all these little
boxes with each child's name, because those children are engaging

(11:25):
all a lot. Most of their academics are done online. Now,
hear what I just said. The teachers managing the computer
on their desk and each child is a box. You know,
there is a program used very widely called I Ready
in the classrooms, and that is a program. It's a

(11:46):
four billion dollar company. We know about and it's put
out by a company called Curriculum Associates, and it assesses
a child's reading and mathematics and then tailors their academic program.
Or it sounds good. The problem is when you have
something like that, how can a machine really think about

(12:07):
this read a child? It's not a human. Now the
teachers are stuck managing this. I ready, that is replacing
hours a day in the classroom. However, there's a lot
of pushback right now. There's a major lawsuit going on
with a lot of parents because I ready allegedly is
being accused. This is a prime example being accused allegedly,

(12:31):
I want to say again of taking your children's data,
all their information, say second grade, and this computer now
has to break it down, all this information about your child.
Maybe your child has trouble reading, maybe your child has
something cognitive. It's storing it somewhere, and we know today
AI is scraping all of the Internet and putting it

(12:51):
in these data centers for who knows what, and it's
you knoweonholding your pigeonholding your child about their capabilities and
then the information. So they've been accused of Now hear
this accused allegedly of selling off your child's information to
third parties. So you did not ever consent to that happening.

(13:14):
You have consented to I Ready to be used as
an educational tool in the classroom. But now everybody's taking
a much deeper look at I Ready, because it is
all over and again taking up the time of the
human the teacher. The teachers are very frustrated. Again, these
are their jobs, their livelihood. They don't know what to

(13:34):
do about it, and now they're all reporting. We keep
hearing about we have to use AI. Nobody has given
us a clear picture of what exactly this AI means.
Nobody has educated us. We're talking to teachers, now what
is this AI? Nobody has educated the parents about what
is this AI in the classroom. So certainly now I

(13:57):
bet anything like it I ready there will. Let's be
some sort of AI program rested upon the teachers, upon
the kids.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
There's also something academically.

Speaker 6 (14:06):
Across the United States. Kids in America are they're failing
reading since it's the sad so the computer will not
empower them. Linel, it made them academically so much worse off.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
Remember since AI and I've been talking about AI for
so long and AGI and everything, and I still I
can hear in people's voices and their understanding of it.
They still don't grasp the notion of what it means.
It's not what you think, it is beyond this, and
they're also confusing chat GPT with the AI that we're
talking about. So what we're going to be talking about
this is that. And also, by the way, some good

(14:40):
news because the President, the President and this administration still
is doing some great stuff and great jobs regarding protecting children.
In fact, the Ladies is at the President Trump and
his administration are targeting transnational cybercrime, sextortion and predatory schemes.
We're going to be talking about that. We're talking to

(15:01):
Lynn Shaw. This is Warrior Weekend. This is the Lionel Show.
Actually this is called another side of Midnight. We will
return with more with Lynnshaw and more to protect your
children after this.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
It's another side of Midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
That's right, my friend. This is Warrior or weekend Warrior
with a Lionel. This is also another side of Midnight.
My guess is my beloved wife, Lynn Shaw and I
just background every single day, every day she's on Zoom
calls she's talking to her friends in Washington, She's going
down to Marshroto is on She is on this at

(16:02):
every level you can imagine. And also you must follow
her on YouTube at Lynn's Warriors. She did, Oh my god,
this explain you just just for example, the incredible work
Darling you were doing with the Black Poster Project and others.
We're talking about that, but just so many parents out there.

(16:23):
I don't think people realize how many parents there have
had their hearts broken for a variety of reasons. Would
you mind just giving a shout out to that incredibly
important group.

Speaker 6 (16:36):
Now, are you talking about the Black Poster Project, which
is yes, yes, yes, you know. Let's talk about this
happening right here in the heart of New York City. Warriors.
On August twentieth, it begins. We have a national gathering
and we do this every year in Times Square, forty
seventh Street, right Father Duffy Square right there, Okay, And

(17:00):
it started as a small event. It has grown. August
twenty first is National Awareness and Prevention for fentanyl. Okay, fentanyl.
Everybody is a poison. Understand, it's not. We constantly read
in the media here in the media a lot well
here you know fentanyl overdose, okay, it is an intentional poisoning.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
You.

Speaker 6 (17:24):
We at the Warriors, as you know, are our great
colleagues at the DEA Drug Enforcement Administration, Frank Tarantino. He
is quite frequently on the Cat's Roundtable on Sundays, the
John Katzmatidis talking about these issues. The DEA and we
work closely as well as Warriors with Frank Tarantino and

(17:45):
the whole team that are fantastic. This is a gathering
in Times Square open to the public. Remember, everybody, awareness
is key, that's the first step, and then education equals prevention. Now,
I just want to point out people fight me on this,
but I don't care because I know this is the truth.
I know from the work with the DEA. The facts

(18:06):
out there. Fentanyl now is so cheap to produce, okay,
that they're putting fentanyl in most of the drugs, including
marijuana everybody because it extends the product. It's cheap, right,
And our kids are easily buying drugs online for instance,

(18:27):
on snap you can buy with two clicks. That is
the truth. Okay. So there's gathering basically the parents come together.
It's called Fentanyl Facing fentanyl. Now NYPD comes, We've got
you know, the EMTs, we've got the DEA, and all

(18:48):
these parents flying from across the country, and we have
our wonderful friends. It's the saddest thing. It is called
the Black Poster Project. This mom from New York, everybody,
d Gillens start at this after her son had fentanyl poisoning. Okay,
so we're talking also addictions, all of this, and she

(19:08):
created just this poster of her son with a black background.
And then some other parent came to her and said,
this happened to my child as well, and d on
her own made another poster. This is how it all started.
This the Black Poster Project has grown into this incredible
movement free of charge. Of course, they take donations to

(19:30):
to you know, it's free for all the parents into
thousands and thousands of posters of dead family members, especially
children from the addiction, from the sentinyl poisoning. And all
of these parents come together in Times Square. It is
a tremendous gathering of community but also of you know,

(19:53):
handouts for the public. Where else to go to get
to the public the middle of Times Square and it's
covered by lots of press. Again it's a sense of
community and there's a press conference that is Thursday at
twelve thirty. The whole event starts at eleven thirty am.
Everybody is welcome. We want the public there. We want
you to bring your kids because the Black Poster Project,

(20:15):
based out of New Jersey now in New York, is
traveling to all these schools and hospitals and places of
worship with thousands of these posters, these large posters okay,
of dead children, family members, and last year was the
most heart wrenching. After the press conference, everybody walks over
to Saint Patrick's Cathedral Lionel. Every pew was covered in

(20:39):
Saint Patrick's. Everything night you could love and okay, And
that is a major tourist spot, especially August this time
of year. You could hear a pin drop.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (20:51):
People walking in, different tourists from outside, they're like, what
is this and just their mouths open. I witness this, okay,
two years in a row now and just looking at
all of these and the pictures are always of when
the child, you know, the person is happy and there's
a little story under it is a way to honor, okay,

(21:12):
and again we're doing that this year. So if you
go to Lyndzswarriors dot org you will see the map.
It is extended. We are doing events at Chelsea Piers.
We are doing an event in Central Park. It's a
two day event beginning August twentieth through twenty first. But
we want the public. The key to all of this
is honoring those lost, obviously, but these family members want

(21:35):
to educate the public that think of a pencil, a
little tip, that little black point of lead, right, just
a tip of it, just a tip of it, not
even the whole black point of a pencil. The tip
is enough to kill you. So kids buying from unknown sources,
you know, drugs online or somebody says, hey, I have
a friend, you know, take half of this pill. Yeah, yeah,

(21:56):
you're anxious, you have anxiety. We know of a story
of two team girls. They split a pill in half.
The one girl died, the other didn't. Because these these
cartel members, a lot of it's coming from China, right,
the fentanyl into Mexico coming up. Just think how cheap
that is and you're not dealing.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
And also.

Speaker 6 (22:19):
And then they're throwing them like a dirty bowls here,
mixing things up, right, So one pill can have you
know a concentration of of some of this spentanyl, you know,
on one side of it and not the other.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
It is the most Now stop for one second. Let
me remind everybody. We're talking to Lynshaw from Lynz Warriors
Lynz Warriors on YouTube, Lin's Underscore Warriors on x or Twitter.
I want to remind everybody, especially in view of Fauci,
if you dared dared either directly indirectly to sell promote

(22:53):
during the time of COVID mania, during the Rohona I've
emeted in hydroxy chlora going and you would be not
only would you be crushed, your social media platform would
be shut down. Who knows think about that not basically
something that was ameliorating, something that was palliative, something that
actually helped people. Now keep that in mind. Somehow this

(23:18):
vigilance was so so a spot on. They can find
you even spell that word out and you'll be found
out and crushed. However, the same people when there are items,
when there's when there are things that are being sold
to children and they are notoriously uh, the the haven

(23:40):
for this type of poison, there's no there's there's nothing,
there's no there's no even concern for this. So I
just want people to understand this, that that fentanyl and
all of that. It's here and we don't know why.
And by the way, let me just also say, I
don't think these kids are overdosing. Please never say that
they are poisoned. Now, as I said before, my darling,

(24:01):
this president is under attack from everybody you're going to imagine.
And one of the things that he never gets is
enough credit when it comes to how serious he is
about these things. In fact, you saw this upfront and
personal when you met with him and these family members.
Tell us about how the president is targeting transnational cybercrime,
its extortion and predatory schemes. Because I think this is

(24:23):
something that needs to be really highlighted.

Speaker 6 (24:27):
Look, this should be a major headline, you know, a
real win. It is a win, but it's not really
being covered. It was just a couple of days ago
our President Trump put out this, you know, it's called
National Security Presidential Memo Memorandum to be exact, Okay, empowering

(24:47):
something we have talked about at the Warriors extensively in
Albany in Washington, d C. Here's the key, empowering federal
law enforcement to use every cyber tool available to who
disrupt this transnational criminal these organizations that I just mentioned.
We've got the cartels. By the way, I'm digressing here

(25:09):
for a second. We're up America because the cartels are
working in all fifty states and their target right now
is our children.

Speaker 8 (25:19):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (25:20):
They are also engaging our American kids, specifically teenagers to
carry out their dirty deeds, that is trafficking their peers
and middle and high schools. People need to hear this,
this is the reality, and also dealing their drugs for them,
or getting kids engaged online to be drug dealers online.
So we're talking about, you know, transnational. So the President

(25:43):
will give every available resource because the one thing we
hear over and over from law enforcement across the country, Okay, well,
there are cyber programs that could disrupt. We could find
out where the sextortion schemes are coming from in other
countries and where these drug dealers are. Right, it would

(26:04):
take seconds. With AI. Remember we are pro innovation, pro
technology at the Warriors, and we want to use it
for good, and this is using it. But I'm telling
you about for good. So this AI could pitch root
out where these criminals are in a matter of seconds,
and law enforcement will we say, Lynn, we don't have

(26:24):
the money to buy the programs. I'm like, what, shudt.
Shouldn't our government be giving you the money to target
this to keep our citizens safe? Because this is a
national security risk, all of this, Okay. And so now
the president has announced that he is going to give
law enforcement all the tools they need to disrupt all

(26:44):
of this and what that means specifically if we break
it down, Look last year alone, twenty twenty five, it
was something reported. Now report it. Remember the numbers are
always highed that Americans lost something like twenty one billion
to these schemes and scams online, right, so we know
the numbers probably higher. But for the warriors. We're talking
specifically now about sextortion where our teen boys are targeting. Okay,

(27:10):
it's coming mostly from other countries. We work with families,
as you know, who have lost their teenage sons to
these sex stortion schemes where they sink online they're talking
to you know, another fifteen year old girl and it
turns out to be a fifty year old man in
for instance, Nigeria. Okay, and we can't we we now

(27:32):
can find that person and we can bring them to
the United States and we can prosecute them. And criminals
target Americans. Look, everybody thinks this country is you know,
pay the streets are paved with gold. They go after
teenage boys. Because we put our lives online, specifically the
kids in its other fault. I always like to say,

(27:52):
I say to you, you know, thirty and under. They've
been born in the digital bubble because kids put you know,
where they go to school, where they live, I'm in basement.
And again they're so smart. These criminals, there are always
ten steps ahead.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
All that.

Speaker 4 (28:07):
They're also born in captivity. These kids are born in captivity.
We're talking to Linshaw from Lynzwarriors dot Org, Lynn's Warriors
on YouTube and Lin's Underscore Warriors on Twitter or x.
I should say. Now, a couple of things too. In
the seventies, it was a phrase that came out before
obviously before this, and the phrase goes something like, if

(28:28):
the product is free, you're the product. When when when
AOL first came along and in different you know, Yahoo
or whatever. These these things were AOL in particular, it
was all free, Hey, no problem, free take this. Nobody
ever charged for AOL, nobody charged for anything because you
were the product. Now at the time, we were naive. Now,

(28:50):
remember something, if we did not have Let's assume I
could snap my fingers and I could theoretically, this is
a thought experiment. If I could destroy all let's say
Wi Fi, and I could render every laptop, every iPhone
just disabled for let's say a week. Do you know

(29:11):
that all cyber crime, sextortion, predatory schemes would disappear because
the predators that we talk about today, they're not in
white vans. They don't snatch kids. I'm sure there are,
But what we're talking about is this device that your
school board gives your child, that you give your child.
This is the andre. If it wasn't for this, remember,

(29:34):
all of this would go away. These people are in Nigeria,
they're not coming over here, they're not flying over here.
The way they get to your kid is that little
seemingly innocuous chromebook or phone. That's what we're talking about.
And I don't think people really get it because they
look at this as kind of good and modern and

(29:55):
you know, helpful. It is that is the portal, that
is the communication means, that is the nexus between these
horrible people and your children. And I say it, and
I realize people are saying, oh my god, he's saying
it again. Yes, because I still don't think people grasp it.
I don't think they understand it. Now, May I add
also something another big headline, When the harm comes, can

(30:19):
families fight back? Tell us about the social media harm
lawsuits that are moving forward that we really have not
seen up until now.

Speaker 6 (30:27):
Listen, Americans now have a chance to be in the
court system. Big tech has had a free run. They Again,
We've got to always explain this because people will say
to me on a daily basis, why is this allowed?
You know, why can a child buy, you know, drugs
on snap and two clicks and things like that. Because

(30:47):
it goes back to nineteen ninety six, we call that
the birth of the Internet, when they were like two platforms,
lineal and there's something called Section two thirty of the
Communications Decency Act. Then it actually makes sense and it
basically said, okay, two platforms, you can't be held responsible

(31:08):
for third party content. What anybody posts on here, you
cannot you know, be nobody can sue you. It's like
a news stand or a billboard. Now that's thirty years ago.
Why is that still standing when we have platforms popping
up every single day in apps and gaming right and
all this criminality going on. Are there is a movement

(31:31):
right now to sunset section two thirty. We'll leave that
for a minute, okay, in Congress. But the criminals have
figured out not only the criminals, let's just say big
tech platforms. That argument is always in court. They are
shielded by section two thirty of the Communications Decency Act.
And just this past week it's a tremendous headline. The

(31:54):
courts allowed. Let me break down the story here that
the thousands of pump thousands of lawsuits against big tech
can go forward. Now they're not saying big tech is guilty,
but these lawsuits involved product liability that they're putting out
a product that is harmful to children. Based on we

(32:17):
now have the children themselves. What has happened. We have
whistleblowers who have come forward from these big tech companies.
We have internal memos that have been leaked and brought
forward saying it's a product liability. You are putting out
a product that is harmful. I want to repeat that
because the argument in court, which big tech always won

(32:40):
was you know about what people were saying and things
like that, and just fairly recently in the last year,
it is now switched that you can sue for this
product being harmful. And we know alone in California thirty
three hundred cases pending can now go forward. We know

(33:01):
of course the United States there are thousands and thousands
of cases. And the floodgates opened when back in March
it started New Mexico there was a case that was
one against Meta. You are putting out a harmful product
as well as sharing children's data information, okay, and also

(33:22):
in California, and just the other day judge in New
Mexico he called social media. He said, big tech, you
are a public nuisance.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
This is on record.

Speaker 6 (33:34):
In addition, he did In addition, there was a judgment
from back in March again product liability for three hundred
something million. This judge added on five hundred and sixty
seven millions. It's almost a billion dollars against Meta, which
is Facebook and Instagram, WhatsApp saying you're harming children and teens.

(33:55):
That's almost a billion in judgments. So the floodgates are open.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
And let me add something. May I add something? Just
as a lawyer. This is what's so critical about this
section two thirty. The meta folks thought we're covered because
that controls that the actual content and the actual idea
of section two thirty makes a little bit of sense,
because what it means is you cannot have something if

(34:23):
you are able to be Let's say you have just
your AOL again, and somebody uses AOL your platform to
send let's say, defamatory messages. AOL cannot be held liable
as a quote publisher. It's not disseminating this, So that's okay.

(34:43):
As to content, here's what's interesting. The lawsuits that came
out as to these particular these platforms were not brought
because of the content. They were brought because of the design.
So imagine this analogy. We have a Second Amendment in
this country, and the Second Amendment prevents you or allows
you to a certain degree to possess firearms. However, you

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can bring a lawsuit for the design of the weapon.
Let's say a weapon has a bad trigger design or
it goes off accidentally. Think of this as a child's
safety cap on prescription medication. That's all it is. So
mena and these folks didn't see this coming. Their whole

(35:27):
thing was they were so cocky because they thought Section
two thirty will protect us. But to reiterate, it's not
the content they're going after, it's the design. And the
design was specifically intended to go after into target kids.
And that's the difference.

Speaker 6 (35:43):
And I want to add something. I mean, why should
parents have to become plaintiffs after their kids have been harmed?
Big Tech has no accountability right now and this is
the beginning of accountability. But that being said, okay, so
we have all these lawsuits, have thousands more. Not that
these again floodgates are open, correct, Big Tech hold them accountable.

(36:07):
That's the whole thing here. So why do the parents,
again after the children are harmed, have to go to courts.
Get in there before, go after Big Tech. Put some
guardrails on them, put some stop on them. Again. Think
about this, they're just still it's after the fact losses.
We got to get in there before and hold Big

(36:28):
Tech accountable.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
Now some other things too, if I could. By the way,
you're talking to lyn Shaw from Lynz Warriors lynzwarriors dot
org on YouTube. It's very important to go to YouTube
follow her channel at lynz Warriors and on x at
Lynn's Underscore Warrior Warriors. Let's talk about something you know.
One minute, See, every time we turn around, there's somebody

(36:51):
that we thought was I don't want to say the enemy,
but we said, oh, those lefties or whatever. Richard Blumenthal
may not be a lot of people's favor regarding some legislation,
but when it comes to what you're trying to protect,
he's been terrific, as was in many respects the late
Lindsey Graham and Amy Klobershaw and other people who might

(37:13):
again not necessarily match up issue for issue regarding all things.
But let's talk about Mikey Cheryl and New Jersey. What
about their child safety laws and how impressive they have been,
much to the surprise, the delightful surprise of many people.

Speaker 6 (37:32):
Well, this is a breaking headline, and I want to
touch on something you just mentioned. We at the Warriors,
we are able to critically analyze. Okay, we go where
good work is being done. I mean, really, wake up
America because so many people, you know, they'll they'll come
after me, for instance of Richard Blumenthal, who's done terrific

(37:54):
work alongside Senator Marshall Blackburn together with the Kids Online
Safety Act. Okay, we have to be able to separate
out the issues. Linel If somebody's doing great work right,
support them, be part of it. People either go left,
they go right, they go up, they go down, they
don't know. Stop being babies America and go where the
good work is and support that good work. That is

(38:17):
the only way we will create difference and empower our kids.
But Governor Mikey Cheryl my beautiful homestead of New Jersey,
she said, listen, the Kids Online Safety Act. There's a
lot of chaos in Washington with this right now. And
we have been working on this alongside Again Center or
Mercier Blackburn Center, Richard Bloomdal going on five years. Okay,

(38:41):
we're at we're at the final stretch right now. But
I'll leave that for another time. So she went ahead
and she acted something called the Kid's Code Act, and
she said, you know what, they're not gonna do it
right now at the federal level. There's chaos. I'm gonna,
I'm gonna, I'm gonna take the reins here in New
Jersey and I'm gonna do something. And she established this
Kids Code Act requirements for online platforms relating to children's

(39:06):
privacy and safety. So she puts stronger privacy and safety
guardrail settings, restrictions on advertising, and she expanded parntal controls
have to be in place and signed it into a
law just the other day. With those three important words,
we talk about a lot, the duty of care, that
those big tech platforms have a duty of care. And

(39:28):
so this means look, passing a law legislation does not
ever mean the problem is solved. It just doesn't. The
real test here is will it be implemented, will it
be enforced? Will there be accountability? But she also created
this Kid's Code Act. This is a great first step
and she's being called on the state of New Jersey,

(39:49):
the first state in the nation to enact the toughest
laws for big tech. Now, this is really something that
we should be talking about and celebrating. And she also
we ate it at Council for Social Media Harms with
young people. Remember, we want to get our young people
involved so they can talk to their peers, bring their

(40:10):
peers in, you know, educate the parents. Parents have to
be part of this. Adults have to be part of it.
I'm tired of that story. I didn't grow up with
with social media. You didn't, I didn't, but it's part
of our lives. It's not going away. So we have
to get control here. So she really did a tremendous job.
And you know what you know will has actually change,

(40:34):
you know, on your child's screen or something. No, you
have to parent up, you have to be in charge.
Parents are the first line of defense. You have to
take what we're talking about and really use it in
your own home and again talk to your child. But
for the State of New Jersey Governor Mikey Cheryl, I mean,
she really deserves a gold star. She really wants to

(40:55):
you know, she stands yes and by the way, the
tools and she wants to implement all these things and
we're hoping other states now will follow along with her.
It's really a great thing.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
In the last segment here, very very quickly, we have
one of two things, because there's just something that's why
we put you on early. You've got one of two choices,
young lady. You can talk about Disney meets TikTok, or
we can talk about AI is already in the classroom.
How about Disney and TikTok. This is fascinating. What can
you tell us about that.

Speaker 6 (41:26):
Yeah, I would have picked Disney and TikTok and the
other twenty five lines and life can be. But what
happened is they made an announcement Disney Plus. Remember everybody,
we think Disney, we think kids, we think children. Disney
Plus is a much mature okay, one of their platforms.
And they announced this big splashy oh, Disney and TikTok
we're going to form a partnership. And they announced Disney Plus,

(41:51):
we're going to give away all our content for free.
And you, the public, you the kids teams, you can
take our content and you can create videos for us
that we will play on our channel. So what could
go wrong? Let's be clear, we're not talking about creativity,
but when entertainment, you know, and social media, you're putting

(42:11):
more kids into social media. You're putting more kids online, right,
and kids are becoming creators. It's almost child rabor for free.

Speaker 5 (42:20):
Right.

Speaker 6 (42:21):
Parents have to as where are the boundaries again? You
are putting children online with strangers interacting. What is this
content that the kids are encountering on Disney Plus. Don't
think it's Disney, you know, the kids channel. This is
much mature audience. For Disney Plus. Not only that. Again,
we talked about AI. It scrapes the Internet for content, right,

(42:43):
who's collecting what your child's doing or team's doing creating
this content with TikTok. Remember TikTok is one of the
top platforms that thirty and under use. And how are
you know what happens when entertainment becomes a gateway into
a much lower, larger social media environment. So we're asking
you know, it's not whether kids will be entertained. Who's

(43:05):
protecting them while they're with TikTok and Disney Plus and
the strangers online? And who's telling them their content is
good or not good enough? Again, we're putting more kids
online than taking them off. We want to get kids offline,
not forever going away.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
Let me stop you right there be. We want to
thank you. See I had more time and we still
don't have enough time. We're talking to Lyncham and my
beloved Lyncham from Lynswarriors dot org, lyn Lynd's Warriors on YouTube,
and Lynn's Underscore Warriors on x or what we used
to call Twitter. My darling, you knocked it out of

(43:46):
the park. Thank you so very much.

Speaker 9 (43:49):
I love you.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
We were talking again next week, my.

Speaker 6 (43:53):
Friend kids and lawn technology.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
Indeed, and coming up right now, what happened this week
that nobody's to talking about, at least well for good reasons.
I'll explain. On another side of midnight with a Lionel,
we'll take the night.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Another it's another side of midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 10 (44:24):
Already.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
My friend's a lionelready on another side of midnight. Here's
a new number we have temporarily for reasons I cannot explain,
nor do I want to, But perhaps I think. I
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that's all I can say. Eight three three write this
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Speaker 11 (44:51):
What was that?

Speaker 4 (44:53):
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four four. Seven this week the biggest stories to, me
to me were just. Unbelievable what AM i talking? About to?

(45:17):
Wit yesterday there was a debate on line Between Candice
owens and a jadrool by the name Of andrew AS
i call Him Pickles wilson regarding The Tyler robinson.

Speaker 8 (45:39):
Murder.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
Trial it was seen by millions and millions of. People
if people stopped in the middle of the day on every.
PLATFORM i was glued all. DAY i was on my
Regular Linel nation YouTube. Channel every he was watching. This

(46:00):
it was like Something i've never seen. Before it was like,
imagic kind of a MINI, fifa mini world, series but
people all over the world focused in on one. Subject
and it was a debate that went on from like,
eleven like four hours eleven to three four. Hours it

(46:23):
wasn't really a debate in the classic. Sense but for
those people who say kids, today it wasn't, kids by the.
Way it wasn't. That it was older, people younger. People
it was a new how DO i say? This it
was a new, platform a new, group a new, focus
and unless unless conventional media LIKE cnn and. Others it

(46:48):
was so funny this week when they were talking about
basically SELLING cnn to hope to get around some kind
of antitrust, problem which is not going to, matter but,
anyway that is a Critical we'll talk about. That the second.
One have you seen the story Of JASON. R? Day
do you know who he is or? Was sadly this

(47:10):
man who was forty one years, old the youngest ever
black professor at the At, cambridge was found, dead. Unresponsive
his story was complete and, total and the word starts
with bull, Bovine, Esta. Excreegia it is just the biggest.

(47:38):
Lie he didn't. Speak wait did you see? This And
Cambridge University, cambridge who was at the home Of. Newton
they basically allowed this because he was black and he
was autistic, theoretically and the stories were he said he

(48:00):
and thirty marathons in thirty five. DAYS i mean that
YOU I but the reason why it happened was they
were so desirous of making this story work that they
look the other. Way they just avoided all rational. Thought absolutely.
Incredible we'll be talking about that and how we're still

(48:21):
going over and talking about this nonsense of a gender,
assignment the, Like, oh it's beautiful. All coming up on
another side Of midnight With. Lionel write this number down
eight three three nine six' nine four four. Four seven
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up on Another side Of. Midnight with lionel.

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(49:52):
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(50:13):
the death of, this young man but This story of
i've got. TO be careful i got to remember sometimes
that we don't curse. This particular format but YOU know
what i. Would probably say there was a fellow by
The NAME. Of JASON R DAY A R. D a

(50:36):
y and he looked a little, a little batsu YOU know.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
What i mean.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
He had this kind of a look. In his eye he, wasn't,
really there okay YOU know? What i mean he just.
Kind of lookly but this Is at The. UNIVERSITY of cambridge,
i mean this this is this had PEOPLE he had
i Want To, Know, Isaac Newton, Darwin Stephen, Hawking Alan,

(51:05):
Turing Rosalind. Franklin LORD byron just i mean it Is
It Is jack yard case more. People went there this
IS seriously, nayru i mean go. Down the list their alums,

(51:28):
are just like, oh my god. Think about this think
about how this prestigious university.

Speaker 11 (51:40):
Just going.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
Through right now i'm. Amazed by this it's one thing
If You're Like, colgate community college it was founded in.
Twelve o, nine that's right.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Twelve.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
Twelve nine okay so there was this fellow who Came
along Named, jason our day a black fella who Claimed
to be i'm sorry he. Was found dead that. Is
not funny but he was a little he, didn't look

(52:12):
right YOU know. What i mean but he was A
professor of i don't even know what sociology.

Speaker 9 (52:19):
Or whatever the.

Speaker 4 (52:19):
Hell's sociology was but. They loved him they say he
didn't speak until. He was eleven. He didn't speak he was.
So profoundly autistic and he had on his wall a
Poster that said i'm going To go to cambridge and
the story. That He concocted remember Jason Was. A jason
Blair Remember That, new york times who was that famous

(52:45):
editor who. Loved this guy there's always been these these
phony balogeis who claimed. To be something There Was this
washington post story of a woman who remember she was,
a drug Addict And even ben bradley had to apologize
and't Any of them this one stun. From the beginning

(53:05):
they had no they didn't even think to check this
guy's story out because he was black AND this was dei.
Claim to have he was unable to speak until, he was, eleven,
he says miraculously just a few days shy of my
twelfth birthday when he. First said hello he didn't learn

(53:28):
to read and write until. He was eighteen and now
they made him A professor at Columbia? Excuse be CAMBRIDGE where?

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Am?

Speaker 4 (53:39):
I saying columbia that would have. BEEN something too, I
mean this i could go down the list they said
he was a visiting professor of these places. Never panned
out he said he ran six Hundred miles From edinburgh
to london in six. Days for charity experts noted that
this would rank among the world's top. Ultra endurance performers

(54:03):
he later said it took twelve, days twelve, days not.
Six including rest he, completed he said thirty marathons in,
thirty five days including the final nine after an epileptic
fit and the. Hairline leg fracture the leg. Had apparently
swollen he. Described ice baths he they said there was

(54:28):
a severed pigs head that was delivered To His parents'
south london home and. A cardboard box he said, he
intercepted it yet the police don't know, anything about. It
he said he appeared in The BBC's seven up or
the Related, show called up and was pulled out at the.

(54:50):
Age of fourteen the original series started in. Nineteen sixty
four this is four participants born in nineteen fifty six.
Nineteen fifty seven he was born in. NINETEEN eighty Five
bbcn from he had nothing to do. With the films
he later described it as an informal shorthand for. A

(55:10):
local community he, was a liar said he was a.
Semi professional footballer nothing he ever said and his PhD
dissertation was a complete, and total, joke a joke a
joke of, the first order and they looked the other

(55:32):
way because, he, was black autistic and they Never, This.
Is cambridge cambridge they didn't. Even check it nobody Said,
Listen a niles, yeah not, fine nothing HERE but can
i talk? To you yet did you want to check?
This guy out this guy and he had this look

(55:56):
his he had the, long you know, the the weave
the the, dreads or whatever all these guys he had
like mass scare, AND he, looked i mean he looked,
like he, was you know a couple of breaks short.
Of a load.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
And what?

Speaker 4 (56:12):
Is this about it's because what do you want? To
call it? The radical left whatever, these people are they
are so desirous to SEE some end dei that they
look they close their eyes to this and sadly, he
you know he he was found dead and he's gonna,

(56:33):
blame you know white supremacy or. Whatever it, was it's.
Maddening absolutely maddening and let me. Tell you something you,
listen to me and. Listen to me there is a

(56:54):
there is a movement this coming and nobody wants, to
Say this but i'm. Gonna say it and nobody wants,
To hear this. So That's fine the republicans are going to?
Lose how much but midterms are going to. BE a
disaster i don't know. WHAT they're doing i don't know.
WHAT'S going on i don't know what's happening. TO this

(57:16):
country i. HAVE no idea i don't know if this
is some kind of a swing. Back or whatever but
if you want, to be scared. You get scared THERE
is a dsa movement that apparently is being. Loved white
people loved white, People And zoron mom donnie is a

(57:40):
walk in the park compared to the lunatics. That are
coming and this is. Part and partial you thought a
lot of. This was, gone you know this is reminds
me of like a like a herpes flare. Up or,
something you know you thought the. Symptoms were down you thought.
Everything was OKAY you thought i wouldn't have to worry.
About this anymore i'll put. That to bed we got

(58:02):
that out, of our, system you KNOW all. That dei stuff, No,
we didn't. No we didn't these people, aren't going anywhere
and it's. Gonna get worse, and Believe Me whatever Youth
Zora and, mom Donnie IS. Is william f buckley compared,
To these folks because there, is this. Movement This, CRAZINESS

(58:26):
chelsea handler i know nobody. Cares about her she was
talking to somebody ONE of these i could tell from
the look on this this woman's face she was. Fairly
Well known chelsea handler says that we've got to be
careful because if The if the republicans continue, to take

(58:47):
over or If they or blanches is a confirmed, as
attorney general They will Overrule, row against wade and. They
already did she didn't, even know this but. It doesn't
Matter you've got rosie O'Donnell's back after, the face lift,

(59:09):
and people say did? She look better she has. To
look better that doesn't. Always work sometimes remember when it,
Was this STRANGESTING remember when i don't have to talk,
about PEOPLE'S weight but i thought this one thing. Was
very interesting did you Remember When when chris christie had that,
Bypass bariometric. Surgery nothing happened it was the damnedest thing every.

(59:32):
Normally normally people well today they had. That ozembic, look you,
know that completely that that. Prison camp look but going
BACK to, what i said, they're coming back you're going
to be seeing oh AT this w nba. That we're
talking we're still talking we're back To, talking ABOUT well

(59:53):
the nba commissioner can't even decide now that two strapping
men who have transitioned to women cannot even apply her own.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Her own.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
League categories or definitions as to what exactly? Is a
WOMAN what? Am I saying what i'm saying Is is at,
up till now this. Lunacy was dormant it lay under the.
Under the surface it was just, kind of there and,

(01:00:29):
we thought good we. Were feeling good prompts In charge
and america's, back, and, yeah okay, right, oh, no, NO
no no usa idea will be back everything that. Dose
supposedly did you're going to see the quickest reversal that will.

(01:00:52):
Blow your mind, it's already Written it's already they're ready
to go. When THEY start and i don't know who's
going to win. Twenty twenty, EIGHT trump's gone i don't Know.
Who jd vance i'm not. Thrilled WITH him but i
would vote for an onion ring over any of the folks.
These people have and It's not because i'm a. Conservative

(01:01:13):
or whatever i'm a. Common sense citizen, and believe me
there ain't none of THESE folks that i would even
let anywhere near the steering wheel of. Our great republic
but people have been thinking for the longest time. This
is done it's not and, this our day this. Story
was fantastic and there's, ANOTHER thing too i want to

(01:01:34):
talk about coming, up, media linear. Linear programming linear THE
fact that cnn is. Still hanging on they're shot that
they may be, sold or dissolved as was PRETTY much
ms dnc Now, it's ms NOW how do i tell these?

(01:01:59):
People it's. Over it's over you're hanging on to a vestige.
Of a platform it's not so much it's not so.
Much your ideas it's not so much that it's. This
new mechanism you're living in The time of. Murrow or
something it's. Not nineteen eighty This Is. Not ted turner

(01:02:22):
it doesn't. Work THIS way as i, told you before yesterday.
WAS this, debate i mean it. WAS all over x
Is the very if you, watch what happening it was
it's the talk.

Speaker 9 (01:02:37):
Of the, world and, yet and yet.

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
If you look at, conventional cable news they're not going
to talk about that because they. Don't want, to you
do they don't want it to give any kind of. Countenance,
to this listen my message is. Very very simple you
can do one. Or two things you can walk around
blind and just keep, bumping into furniture or you can
pay attention and watch what's happening and understand that the

(01:03:03):
world is changing and also be able to articulate the
particular threats that are facing us. From the enemy they
are telling you specifically what they're. Going to do and
you can whistle by the graveyard, all you want but
that dog don't hunt as we Say. In, the south
okay we have a. New number tonight got. YOUR pen

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team WAS a jd AND. Domi is a jd that
everything sounds. LIKE this very fast i remember One Time
being in grand central and he, had a marumba, player
not a, xylophone but a marumba And he was Playing,

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flight OF the bumblebead and, i thought to myself this
is not the place to be playing. Fast and phrenetic music.
Here's some other news did? You See this one luigi
mangoni may never be convicted of murder despite admitting under

(01:05:10):
oath that he Deliberately Shot. And killed brian Thompson, this
is eo now? How does that happen? Have you heard
this do? You grasp this man joni pleaded guilty in
federal court only to two stalking. Counts, resulting in death

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now the federal murder account had already been dismissed because
the judge who found it legally incompatible with the remaining
charges that. Eliminating the death. Penalty i'll explain that and
his lawyers are now attempting to use that Federal Conviction
to destroy new york's. Second Degree Murder case and new

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york's double jeopardy statute is broader, than the federal constitution
and it generally prohibits a second prosecution for offenses arising
from the same, act or criminal transaction even when one
case is federal, and the Other estate and the manhattan

(01:06:16):
die will also argue good luck with us will argue
that stalking and murder contain different elements and address, different
charge different tribunals which. IS a statutory exception i don't
want to get too, much into the wheeze but the
defense is going to respond that both prosecutions concerned, precisely
the same, plan the same, victim the same, shooting the

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same death and his detailed federal admission makes. That argument
unusually strong so the murder charge has not disappeared yet
a judge must decide the motion and, appeals are certainly,
certain are virtually, Certain by the way but federal prosecutors
may have handed men the technical mechanism he needed to escape.

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An actual murder conviction he can still receive life imprisonment for. Stalking,
resulting in death meanwhile he may spend the remainder of
his life behind bars without the word murder. Appearing on,
his conviction so anyway this. Is very good lawyering? BUT
does it. Matter i don't know are they going, TO

(01:07:27):
give him. Life i would hope so let me also
add another, little twist to this a little wrinkle throwing
a lot of THINGS at you because i don't speak with,
you DURING the week and i want to. Make sure
you understand you, hear IT from me because i want
YOU to grasp. What i am saying there's something very interesting.
This is happening here this fellow, is liked and admired

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not because of his looks or not because of. Any
of that business he's liked and admired because of the
fact of the matter of his death or his. Shooting
and the, like and here's why. And this is critical, all,
of a sudden overnight people came out of, the woodwork and,

(01:08:13):
said you know what, these these healthcare companies these. Insurance
companies are bad he claimed to have a neck. Injury
or back injury and this. GUY'S comes from means i
don't know. Why he's DOING this he was i thought
he thought he was going to. GET away with it
i don't understand why he threw his entire life away for.

(01:08:34):
This in any event but let me tell you where it's,
also picking up speed and that. IS in data centers ai.
Companies and flock Cameras listen to. What i'm telling you
i'm seeing this. All over the place there, was an

(01:08:57):
absolute discuss as my wife HAD, talked about regarding Ai In.
Particular from. Glynd's warriors she came but this. Is a
different story there, are people who detest absolutely detest and
abhor the notion of these, these these data centers and
they hate all that they stand for and all that

(01:09:18):
they represent absolutely positively and throw into that and mix
the idea. Too of flock cameras there are. People ripping
them down there are, folks sitting underneath them and we're seeing.
SOMETHING which is, interesting I like it but. I don't
like it i'm seeing more, of an, active attemptive you

(01:09:41):
will and a movement. To attack these things because FOR
the longest time i thought that our country was just
completely kind of tired over the notion of what or willian.
Dystopian nightmares are about we. Were born in activity. Nobody
cared about SURVEILLANCE nobody seemed, to i don't. Know didn't

(01:10:05):
bother anybody. Windmills never bothered anybody, people, thought stupidly like
no it's going. To help the environment but, all of
a sudden, all of a SUDDEN the notion of ai
is bothering. PEOPLE and, DATA centers i mean i Also ask.
You something chinese folks chinese government says we have more,

(01:10:26):
data center excuse ME we have more ai empowered or,
powered than you do but we have maybe ten percent.
Of the data centers why do you have this? Because
you're so inefficient china is going to clobor us when.
It comes to this let. Me ask you this how

(01:10:48):
many folks still Think that THERE'S this how do i
say this that there's this Old fashioned notion of china
where they sit around worrying those kind of sampan hats,
and they're you know they look They're like a key
luke or What's. His name from bonanza this is one of.

(01:11:12):
The Most incredible countries they're have? You seen their, Cars OH.

Speaker 9 (01:11:19):
My god oh i want.

Speaker 4 (01:11:22):
One Of their. Cars the huawei phones you'll never want to.
Use an iPhone AGAIN they're all they're i know this
is antithetical to, what people are thinking but. They're far
more serious our number. Is eight three three? Are you
noticing this eight three three nine six nine FOUR four

(01:11:43):
four seven a three three nine six nine. Four four
four Seven.

Speaker 10 (01:11:49):
Let's Go To.

Speaker 4 (01:11:50):
Tom, in new jersey tom you're On another side of
Midnight with the LIONEL.

Speaker 5 (01:11:55):
Hey morn linel i, HAVE as a lawyer i would
like to understand this thing about this man's the only
things because it. Doesn't make any sense the thing you don't, understand, he,
is no no no let me say everything and then
and then you could put your two cents, in as
a lawyer. It doesn't make sense he was on video

(01:12:18):
shooting a person execution style behind in the. Back of
the head that alone. Should HAVE did it now i
should have done what alone? Should have did it that
should have done what that that that should, have just,
you know sealed it. Open and shut sealed one about,
dragging on, the case. You know that's it you, know

(01:12:40):
he admitted, it this and that and it's dragging on
for over two years and and all. This drama and
crap it doesn't make any sense. Because he admitted, It
he did.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
It but.

Speaker 4 (01:12:53):
You're not you're not, you don't want to you don't
want me to. Ask you? Any questions admitted what what?

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
Was?

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
He?

Speaker 9 (01:12:59):
Charged with.

Speaker 4 (01:13:02):
Murder no he wasn't you see this is with ALL
due respect and, i like your style but you can't
go into something and say this, doesn't make any sense
and then you can't tell me what. He was charged?
With what's?

Speaker 6 (01:13:14):
The?

Speaker 5 (01:13:14):
Theory what's murder executed he shot somebody in the, back.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Of, the, head, Execution, no no no see.

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
That's what's happening yours you're.

Speaker 5 (01:13:22):
Looking at, that and you're, saying that's my imagination.

Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
So you're not listening. That's what he did i'm asking
you what? Was he charged with because Federal doesn't have us.

Speaker 5 (01:13:38):
Let.

Speaker 4 (01:13:38):
Me try, this again that's okay you're gonna get. Yourself
all work done you. Really don't want to do you
really want to? Know what's happening here or do you
Want to.

Speaker 5 (01:13:46):
Just because i'm gonna i'm? Gonna, zip, it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
Right no no don't let's just say he. Should have
been charged that. Should. Have been it right you're you
shot him in the. Back of the head he admitted.
Wanting to, kill him that's. Murder and that's it so
what do we? Sing our time for Why?

Speaker 7 (01:14:01):
Do we have corey why?

Speaker 4 (01:14:02):
Don't we have this just take him out?

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
And?

Speaker 4 (01:14:04):
What's your sentence, me by the way that's pretty fast
for a. Lot, of these cases now would you like, to,
Hear why yes okay, and by the way thank. You
FOR your call and i know he's A nice MAN
and i and. I gotta say something i appreciate this.

(01:14:29):
When Somebody calls up and i'm not trying to, anyway
make a parallel but if you talk to, a doctor
and said just. Doesn't make any sense you, took the
cancer out? The cancer came back or what do you mean?
He's got an infection what do you mean? The baby
is breach? What do, you mean it's, like first of?

(01:14:49):
All who were you you. Just entered into this this doesn't.
Make sense to me? What doesn't make sense?

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
WHAT was he.

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
CHARGED i DON'T know i. Just i don't know it's like,
yesterday during this DEBATE this idiot Named, i call him
pickles Didn't Even know what tyler. Robinson was charged with
had no idea because people FEEL this sense of i
don't have to know. WHAT the LAW. IS i watched

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tv i kind. Of have an idea, the federal murder
charge the federal murder, cher remember federal murder. That's a
state thing but the federal murder charge was dismissed because
the prosecutors built it on. The wrong legal foundation. They
made A mistake they charged manjone. Under, a federal statute

(01:15:43):
now whether you, LIKE this or not. I can't help
that i'm. Gonna answer The question they charged luigi under
a federal statute covered murder committed with a firearm during a.
Quote crime of violence there was a federal statue that
covers murder committed with a firearm during a. Quote crime of, Violence.

(01:16:09):
He got that okay the alleged underlying crime. Here was
federal stalking but stalking can legally be committed through threats
or intimidation or emotional distress without. Necessarily using, physical force
so therefore under, the required technical, test if you will

(01:16:31):
stalking didn't qualify as a. Quote crime of violence so without,
a qualifying underlying crime the firearm murder count. Could not
legally stand and the judge Was not saying That. Mangoni
didn't kill thompson. That's not the point the judge was

(01:16:53):
saying that federal Prosecutors Constructed, the charge incorrectlyctorial, blunder by
the way removed both the federal murder account. And the
death penalty now now now we have the state second degree.
Murder in state court to forget Who the prosecutor of

(01:17:14):
this is Going To be the new york, version of
double jeopardy or basically due. Process in many respects but double,
JEOPARDY is, so strong i mean it is so strong
and far it companies far. More than, federal does you
see the double jeopardy statute is broader In The, state

(01:17:36):
of new york and it prohibits a second prosecution for
offenses that are arising from the same act or, the
same criminal transaction even when one case is federal and the.
Other one is state give. You a perfect example remember,
during the oj case he was Charged, with murder in

(01:17:58):
california and then They. Went to federal corps They charged, him,
with oh, no no. Excuse me pardon me it was
the it. Was the original case it was the can?
We just, get along remember Him. That, great winnerful american,
anyway the, federal case excuse me the state, case was.
You know police brutality they charged them in federal court

(01:18:20):
with violating the civil rights of this. Whose, name escapes
me Anyway you know. What i'm talking about make, a
long story. Short they were different but, people then even,
said wait a minute this is. Identically the same. Charge
no it's not. It's a different charge it's, a different
uh tribunal. It's a. Different courtroom, people's thick come on. It's,

(01:18:45):
the same. Thing no. It's not it's different and for
the longest time people have been trying to ask the
question of? Are, things the same now let me, explain
some of you and this is a this. Is a
bigger deal what would you like if? You could do

(01:19:06):
anything what would you Like to happen to manjoinny to?
Be executed right AWAY i'm serious and i can ask
you eight three three nine six nine four four four
seven if. That's WHAT you want, and i understand. THIS
this last gentleman i can understand this, because he's. He's

(01:19:32):
frustrated it's angry, he doesn't he doesn't. He doesn't understand
this this. Is ALL legal gobbledegook? Can i understand, Completely
By the way rodney king was a famous purveyor of
why can't? We all get along? In nineteen ninety two can't?
We all Get Along Ride? The great rodney king so
it's one of those things where, you're RIGHT about that.

(01:19:52):
And I understand completely and i. Also think he's demented
but here's the thing as, it is right now, who
he's very well could be looking at life. Just for
this talking but somebody says two years that's nothing for
a for a federal case and A federal death penalty

(01:20:12):
ga or theoretically. A death, penalty, case, oh yeah. Yeah
yeah yeah yeah see. This case is different this is
this is one where the circumstances, were just that different
and there are still people who consider him. To be
a hero what do, you think about that especially to

(01:20:33):
see when, His Wife shows up when thompson's wife shows
up and they were she saw people basically lauding and,
and And you know praising. Menjoni see years ago there's
another kind of a separate transaction. To this as well
people have wondered what is it from some women who

(01:20:54):
have fallen in love with? People on death row this is.
A good one me? HOW demented Is It i think
ted bundy was married and they're they're given cojugal. Visits
at conjugal Visits But everybody from richard, ramirez remember. THE
nightstalker vile satanist i can't even tell, you what he

(01:21:18):
did and WOMEN saw him as i don't know what.
A BAD boy misunderstood, maybe i CAN somehow who knows.
I Have no idea. Ted bundy and, others They love,
us the menendez brothers but, this guy in particular they're

(01:21:39):
lauding him as some. Kind of a. Hero he's an.
Idiot he's an idiot and what would what would drive
him the craziest if it. Ever went to trial but
it's not if he, ever took the, stand which he's
not but, if, somebody would say, Wow look.

Speaker 10 (01:21:54):
At, you.

Speaker 4 (01:21:56):
Look, at you, mister bigshid mister genius. Mister mister ivy
league you wrote all this stuff. Down in your book
you were found almost immediately you're on camera and they
catch you Into McDonald's and what altoona. Or wherever it
was you've got. To be kidding me you've got.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
To be.

Speaker 4 (01:22:15):
Kidding me absolutely incredible let's go back in the phones
at eight three three nine six nine FOUR four four
seven a three three nine six nine. Four four four
Seven let's Go To. Silas in new jersey you're On
another side Of. Midnight. WITH the lionel.

Speaker 11 (01:22:36):
Yeah i was glad that you explained to the. Guy
with the charges, you kept axing him? What was the
charge it has nothing to do with we, know he
did it but at the.

Speaker 4 (01:22:51):
Well he killed him that's just for sure.

Speaker 11 (01:22:53):
A mistake charging, him, i'm just saying well they.

Speaker 4 (01:23:00):
Made a mistake. Charging him with that he's not he's not,
Going to be released he's not. Going to go home
he might he just may not have the title, murder apply.
To him that's all but, to our first. Caller HE
wants murder and i. Can understand the frustration but it's nice.
Too TO to listen.

Speaker 11 (01:23:23):
And i also wanted. TO comment on One I don't
think jade vance is. Ready FOR frime time And. I
do believe CHINA i from what i can only glean
from when he's gone, on interviews and stuff he seems
to not. Understand our capitalist system and what?

Speaker 4 (01:23:48):
Does he not understand.

Speaker 11 (01:23:50):
He's he thinks that you know that we're not a
business like we're supposed to be taking care of other.
People in other. Countries know We're not we can what
is he said that?

Speaker 4 (01:24:06):
Makes, you think that.

Speaker 11 (01:24:09):
Well when he, WAS on the view I, THINK it
was yeah i think it was the view he kind of,
agreed with, them that you know, like the world people
we should. Be, TAKEN care of now i might be
wrong in my assessment of what, he said is gay
but he thinks that our capital system should be taking

(01:24:32):
care of. Foreigners that come.

Speaker 7 (01:24:34):
Here, foreigners here here, YEAH PEOPLE Come.

Speaker 4 (01:24:39):
Here, jd jd van. Okay now that's different YOU'RE. Saying
you heard jd van say on the view that our
capitalist system should take. Care of illegal aliens, Did.

Speaker 8 (01:24:53):
He say that.

Speaker 11 (01:24:55):
Well he, agreed with, them that you know we should
be we should be helping, them taking you know taking
them in here AND helping. THEM in i don't i
don't believe we should be taken, in over these people
especially when, they come here legally if they don't.

Speaker 5 (01:25:10):
GO through the.

Speaker 4 (01:25:10):
WELL i appreciate that i don't know. IF he said
that i don't know if, HE said that. THAT i do,
not I cannot believe though. I could be mistaken i
thank you very much for, your for, your call my friend.
Please call me again uh eight three three ninety six nine.
Four four Four, seven joaquene in pennsylvania you're On another Side.

(01:25:31):
Of midnight With.

Speaker 7 (01:25:32):
Lionel good Morning lionel you know, i'm gonna say, something
AND it's horrible and i really don't believe the other.
Caller was a lawyer he didn't sound like. A, Lawyer,
TO me, NO no, I know i know, I think he.

Speaker 4 (01:25:43):
SAID i don't know i don't think he said. HE
was a lawyer i think he was, saying as a.
LAWYER meaning for me i don't think. He said he, was.

Speaker 11 (01:25:52):
That might, be that's very possible because it's.

Speaker 5 (01:25:54):
SOUNDS like a word i.

Speaker 4 (01:25:55):
Guarantee you that's.

Speaker 7 (01:25:56):
The Way that was, but, i'm SO sorry sry but
i can't help, But, see this guy manjhony actually getting
off or getting off very lightly, with like you said
like two years. Or something like that if you.

Speaker 4 (01:26:07):
Even, gets, two, years no no no they're taking two
years to. Bring him to justice. That's what, he said
he said this. HAS been too long.

Speaker 7 (01:26:18):
I just don't see For Some reason. THAT new york
state i see this guy get. Walking away from this
Now This.

Speaker 4 (01:26:26):
Is the new york remember there's two there's. Two parts
of this, there's the federal, statute the federal charge and then.
There's a state charge so he may be he may
be doing, life in federal prison which makes. The state
charge move the state charge may may dismiss it because
they say. This is double jeopardy they may the state

(01:26:47):
charge may be just dropped completely because. Of a state
prohibition he could still do. Life in federal prison prison is.
Not a federal prison federal systems rather are very tough
and by the, way you do it and life. Is
pretty much life but you don't do you do roughly
eighty five percent. Of the total things so so don't
don't think he's. Walking away.

Speaker 5 (01:27:08):
With us.

Speaker 4 (01:27:09):
He, is he is Remember this is, the trump justice
system and they're. Going to be asking they already said.
THEY want the maximum.

Speaker 5 (01:27:18):
I hope.

Speaker 7 (01:27:19):
THAT that's the case i. Just can't HELP it but
when i think about This Having Happened, in new york
city you know that for some reason that that this
is just going to turn. Out the, other way you
know it's, but This Is.

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
Federal Federal Southern, District of new york federal to pay
the the, the THE You know the us Attorney's office
that puts Gotti Away IN the, rosenbergs and i mean this.
Is this is federal these are. Hard this is hardcore.

Speaker 7 (01:27:50):
Are they still, the same people though, that's the, only
question you?

Speaker 4 (01:27:52):
Know?

Speaker 7 (01:27:52):
Who, did that no no but.

Speaker 4 (01:27:54):
Not the same judges talking about the judges, lifetime tenure
federal judges they have nobody to answer. To but themselves.

Speaker 7 (01:28:04):
Exactly that's. That's, that's my problem yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:28:08):
They also have sentencing guidelines, that are Very strong very
very you can't depart from them unless you have, clear
and convincing reasons and They're, CERTAINLY a numer anyway i thank.
YOU for your call i appreciate the fact, that, people are,
saying yeah you. Know that's that's true but these kind
of gut, Feelings that we have i'm not, saying they're

(01:28:29):
not valid but they're not based on. Any kind of
reality they're just kind of like. The WAY you feel
And i have said i'm normally. Pretty right, ABOUT this
in fact I remember. DURING the diddy case i don't know,
if YOU knew this but i was on a variety

(01:28:50):
of the platforms telling people that this guy's gonna. This
guy's gonna walk they Got Him on the man act
because he never was into any kind, of racketeering or trafficking.
Any of. That stuff, it's ridiculous you, See in my career,
i've called things correctly much to the chagrin of. A Lot,

(01:29:10):
of folks number one there Was The remember, the Kaylee
Anthony murder and casey, anthony WAS the mother and i
said she is, going to be acquitted. And people, went
berserk they said don't you understand, She, killed him zon

(01:29:31):
yes but we don't even know. The cause of, death
as you know there are four modalities of, death if
you will forms of it and think of, the acronym, nash. Natural, accidental,
suicide homicide okay, good AND. Also unexplained so nashu but
that doesn't MAKE any, sense because o, night in any

(01:29:53):
event they found a baby's skull, with no, bullet hole no.
Trauma just to, skull, you might say well, that's evidence?
Of something was it.

Speaker 5 (01:30:04):
How do?

Speaker 4 (01:30:05):
You know that's homicide why could it? Not have been natural,
AND then let's see i hate, to bring it. Up
animals found it you, have to prove homicide and you
can't prove homicide.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
WAS just a.

Speaker 4 (01:30:18):
Skull i was correct Then There was, A Trayvon. MARTIN
case george zimmermann, i called that one, and people went resort.
Called me a. Racist you're a racist why what? Are
you talking about because. HE'S he, you, know i said
no you. Don't Understand the case he florida's. STAND your ground.

Speaker 9 (01:30:40):
Law i don't.

Speaker 7 (01:30:41):
Care, it, doesn't.

Speaker 4 (01:30:42):
Matter okay terrific wonderful so people don't have this idea
about what their kind of THEIR gut feeling is i
wouldn't be surprised. If he gets life if, they say you,
don't what. Screw you my friend. I'M a federal judge.
I don't like you i. Don't like your attitude i've
got a sentence in guidelines here. That's looking. AT life

(01:31:05):
that's it i. See no mitigating. Reasons you're not insane
you knew. Exactly what you're. Doing you premeditated this did
you hear how? Much time he took calling up the
company saying he worked for a fifty billion dollar concern,
of corporation plotting, this making the. Gun making the silencer
and then she's going, to what a McDonald's was? It

(01:31:25):
altuon or whatever?

Speaker 6 (01:31:26):
What do you?

Speaker 4 (01:31:27):
Nut you're an idiot they. Got you right away? Where
were you going where do you? Think you were going
what was? The purpose of this how did anybody know?
Why you did this you shot a man like a
dog in? The street for what because you were mistreated?

(01:31:48):
By a by what by a health?

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
By?

Speaker 4 (01:31:50):
An insurance company what and yet, there are some, people
as you know, who're, going to. Say hey that's terrific
remember let me, just say. This again very carefully IF you're,
in the ai business if you're in, the data center
business be. Very very very careful and if you're in,
the flack camera business our number is eight three three

(01:32:14):
nine six nine four four four seven eight three three
nine six nine. Four four four seven this is another
side of Midnight.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
With me a linel it's another Side. Of midnight with.
Lionel here we go.

Speaker 4 (01:32:37):
Imagine you're trying to. Get to your train it's rush
hour and Some guy with them marimba Is Playing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
This at.

Speaker 4 (01:32:46):
GRAND central not good i remember my friend's eight three
three nine six nine. Four four four seven why did?
WE change the number i. Can't get into it eight
three three nine six nine. Four four four seven this is.
Another side of midnight and apparently we've hit a nerve
because people are responding very very Angrily and Understandably Regarding

(01:33:09):
Luigi man Joni Like. Terry in new jersey you Run
another Side. Of, MIDNIGHT with lionel.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
Well i know you are an intellectual genius when it comes.
To the purest jurists and let. Me tell you something
these are different cases, that are out there like. If people,
forget this one Guy His. Name was rodney akalla he
was a serial killer. Of his is killing he was
on the dating game and the woman actually picked him

(01:33:38):
and she felt that he was too creepy and it wouldn't.

Speaker 12 (01:33:41):
Go, out with him right he.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
Was. A. STEREOT. Killer also o j. Simpson, was in
jail now?

Speaker 4 (01:33:47):
What does that mean a woman whom you said he she,
went out with him that he was too, creepy and
then yeah so that. Kind, of, makes, sense, yeah no
no no she did not.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
GO out with him. I know, that today you're right
because She felt he was she said. That he was
pretty she had good intuition.

Speaker 4 (01:34:06):
And, she, Was, correct, yes indeed okay yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
She's.

Speaker 4 (01:34:09):
ON.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
The money oh j Simpson was in a nevada prison.
For like nine years he was getting letters from, a
lot of women a. Lot of white women they, were mailing.
Him money marriage proposals he got so many letters and
he used to give him out to somebody holl the
prisoners who, never got any letters and he'd.

Speaker 7 (01:34:27):
Have why do you Think that they'll r why do?

Speaker 10 (01:34:31):
You think that is.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
Why do?

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
YOU think that is i always said the, Women go
for him that's what.

Speaker 11 (01:34:37):
That's what it is they.

Speaker 7 (01:34:38):
Don't now the.

Speaker 4 (01:34:39):
Women now we're to, Hang, on a second terry you
just said one. OF the, most obvious i said why
do you? Think they, do that he said because women
go for, them and say yes. Let me rephrase it
why do you think they go? For, him Or them.

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
Well for ojas because he was a big national star
and football and movies and. He's so well known there
are women out there who, might think he's innocent or
they might, think they change him or they just might.
Totally are, into that. You Know there's craziness but i'll give.
You a good case but no one ever brings up because.
It's so far away Then. We'll Get To. Mangioni berkowitz

(01:35:16):
david berkowitz, when, they arrested him Right. The son of
sam he originally. Pleaded innocent by insanity he was, claiming
in insanity defense so they kept him, in a psychiatric
hospital the criminal VERSION of, it In. I believe in
brooklyn and after seven months he CHANGED his plea because

(01:35:37):
i think he did not want to be locked up
in a in a psychiatric ward after what he, saw
those seven months and he. Immediately, changed his plea now The.
SAME thing with luigi, i, think, He.

Speaker 4 (01:35:49):
Wait wait, WAIT first of ALL i don't Believe i
don't believe berkowitz Is the son of sam and a
lot of. People don't believe, it for our moment if you,
recall what he said You Remember the great maury terry wrote,
a BOOK auth This and i knew, maury very very
well and there were a lot of people who said
We Got. Him on new york can can sleep at
night because many, many people believe that, believe it or

(01:36:12):
not that might have. Been a satanic ring this is
what this is, what he had said and also that
some of these pictures were actually snuff, films snuff people
anyway make. A long story, short but later on the
reason why you would want to maintain to SAY insane
if that, i Don't recall it but i'm going to take,
your word for it is that if you are found

(01:36:35):
not guilty, by reason of, insanity you are acquitted and,
once you are okay, you Are Let go like David
Hinckley Was. Or John john henckley david hinckley was A Guy.
From the daily news so my question is that goes
against any rational thinking for somebody to say.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
This was in a, PSYCHE board for you, I, just said,
that yeah that's okay.

Speaker 12 (01:37:00):
THANK you very.

Speaker 4 (01:37:00):
MUCH i appreciate. THAT i appreciate That i, say SOMETIMES
i'm Wondering am i maybe i'm? Talking to myself anyway
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i think, we're honest. With, you my friend this this has.
Apparently gotten your. Attention you're very upset eight three three
nine six nine. Four four four seven we've got loads.

(01:37:23):
Of calls coming up we'll get to them right away
On another side.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
Of.

Speaker 4 (01:37:26):
Midnight, with me lione, also whatever you do stay tuned the.

Speaker 9 (01:37:31):
FINAL hour, COMING up, I know, I know.

Speaker 4 (01:37:54):
I know, I know, I know, i, know, I know
no no.

Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:38:13):
Already in line up with, you hour number three the
final hour for this thing of ours are number to
night eight, three three nine six nine. Four four four
seven one more time eight three three nine six nine,
Four four four seven and one more time for, that
person who. SAYS dog gone it, i can't, Find it

(01:38:33):
but okay. I've got it now?

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
What, Was?

Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
That number simple dave eight three three nine six nine.
Four four four seven we have hit the proverbial nerve because,
you were absolutely, furious furious beyond recognition beyond comprehension as
to what you see as a travesty and understandably so
regarding the Apparent Plea, from mister luigi manjoni who may

(01:38:59):
escape a murder charge but could very well end up
in prison federal prison for the, rest of his life
and the state court case could be. Dismissed via double
jeopardy let's go, back to the PHONES back to. What
i call Fun, Let's Go, to Riverhead new york. Where
bob stands by you're on another side Of. Midnight.

Speaker 12 (01:39:21):
With, A Lionel, Lionel, Bob, Bob, Hello, Yes Bob.

Speaker 5 (01:39:32):
HELLO bob hello Hello.

Speaker 4 (01:39:37):
I don't think? Bob, Can, Hear.

Speaker 9 (01:39:38):
Me bob.

Speaker 4 (01:39:42):
Yes bob, thank You, so much mister lee is?

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
That? Me or what.

Speaker 6 (01:39:49):
Bob?

Speaker 4 (01:39:49):
Thank, You, so much bob bob give, you a call back,
and by the way thanks for. A most important Call
let's Go To. Larry, on long island larry you're on
another Side. Of midnight with lionel.

Speaker 11 (01:40:01):
How can you do this to?

Speaker 13 (01:40:02):
Be make you laugh making a phone call to here? Right,
now after that okay. So here we go, this, is
not fair okay, because That?

Speaker 10 (01:40:15):
Was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
What?

Speaker 4 (01:40:18):
Bob that last call. That was nothing.

Speaker 13 (01:40:22):
Exactly just we go through.

Speaker 4 (01:40:24):
This all the time you have no. Idea where we work.
You have no idea the people that have to deal with.
You have, no idea. My, COLLEAGUES that's nothing proceedsure.

Speaker 7 (01:40:34):
I have.

Speaker 13 (01:40:35):
Such sympathetic fear. Agony i'm not kidding i've always understood
this all the years YOU'VE BEEN on radio i d
and you're. FRUSTRATING and your agony i just want you
to let's.

Speaker 4 (01:40:48):
Talk about this case what do you? Think about, this
case my friend the.

Speaker 13 (01:40:53):
Thing that kills me HE looks every, time i see.
Him he looks happy he looks almost like this is
what my life.

Speaker 7 (01:41:04):
Was meant to be.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
Where?

Speaker 4 (01:41:07):
Does he look, happy.

Speaker 5 (01:41:10):
I'm not.

Speaker 13 (01:41:10):
Happy but just, calm he's. Looking around he's, Observing Tell
me something and, i'm asking you, seriously behind the scenes
what is, his life like, you mister legal beigle you know.
The world of law what is his? Life behind the?

(01:41:34):
Scenes life right now?

Speaker 5 (01:41:36):
What is he?

Speaker 13 (01:41:36):
Eating?

Speaker 5 (01:41:37):
How?

Speaker 12 (01:41:37):
Is heable horrible.

Speaker 4 (01:41:41):
Horrible He's going to spend. He's a young man he
faces the very real specter of life. In federal prison life.

Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
This. Is LOOK so comfortable can?

Speaker 4 (01:41:59):
I ASK you something can? I ask you something what
do you think people look like where they've been in
custody for two years and they come out and all
you do is you see maybe an. Artist rendition or
something what do you think they're? SUPPOSED to, Look like.

Speaker 10 (01:42:18):
I know.

Speaker 13 (01:42:19):
I've been on you he's.

Speaker 4 (01:42:20):
Twenty eight years old he's. Twenty, eight years? Old, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
What.

Speaker 4 (01:42:25):
What no i'm serious If, you look at tylerson the
fellow who's on Trial For, allegedly shooting charlie kirk he
looks as calm. As you can imagine one time. He
almost fell asleep you don't want Because these people are
they get him up at like three o'clock in the
morning to. Transport him to court they, sit and. Holding
cells they're exhausted what? Do people look like they, all look.

(01:42:47):
LIKE that, they're calm i mean what do they want
to do? Is scream And yell, or now i'm Serious
what would you what do you think a behavior would be,
that would be more that would comport more with how you.

Speaker 13 (01:43:00):
THINK people should look i truly believe it has nothing
to do with. PHYSICAL exhaustion at all i think there is.
A psychosis that's. Involved that's.

Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
Not.

Speaker 5 (01:43:15):
Psychology i'm sorry stop you can go into.

Speaker 4 (01:43:22):
Any courtroom anybody who's been on a Case for, two
years in fact it's almost a relief to get, out
of a cell. To go to court you get to.
Put on regular. Clothes just sit there it's what do
you think they? All look like this they just sit
there AND they look like.

Speaker 6 (01:43:42):
I.

Speaker 13 (01:43:43):
JUST don't understand it.

Speaker 4 (01:43:45):
I know you don't?

Speaker 8 (01:43:47):
What?

Speaker 4 (01:43:47):
Do, you, think, wait wait wait wait? What do you
think how many times have you? Been to a court
how many times? Have you seen people what do you?
Think they look. Like manson sat, there everybody. Sits there
no matter you just sit there when you talk to
your lawyer and you look and you try to look
respectable in front of the judge or that you don't.
Look like a maniac you don't want your eyes. To

(01:44:10):
be bugged out you. DON'T want to think i have a,
Judge that think like i'm not going to. Let this
guy go he's acting. The way everybody, acts he's not psychotic.
He's not hearing voices.

Speaker 13 (01:44:19):
And the problem is that most of all those people
who were convicted were not people who just shot on
camera a. Man in the back.

Speaker 4 (01:44:34):
And that's the difference what difference does it make if
he shots, somebody in the back if, he's a drug
dealer if. He's trafficking in steroids he's sitting there in
front of a judge and he's. Trying to look normally he.
Just he's not psychotic what do you think what would

(01:44:57):
you prefer his behavior to be if? It ported with
reality what do you think? He should be accuate? WHAT
would you expect i.

Speaker 13 (01:45:06):
Swear to you my original question was a, man with
this intelligence, with this family background who knew eventually he may. He,
may get.

Speaker 10 (01:45:19):
Found yeah he's.

Speaker 13 (01:45:21):
Never gonna he's never gonna. Eat good food again. He's,
never gonna, live.

Speaker 4 (01:45:25):
Okay, maybe maybe yeah yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:45:30):
It's, fascinating to Me.

Speaker 4 (01:45:34):
Okay, What is i'm sorry i'm. Gonna stay with? You
what is fascinating what.

Speaker 13 (01:45:42):
He decided to give his life up for something that.
Most people don't understand this happens.

Speaker 4 (01:45:51):
ALL of the started i want you to spend any,
day in any, city in any place just go to
a felony court or supreme court docket and just. Go
to an arraignement just. See what's up there you. Won't
blow your mind not only that what he, did.

Speaker 5 (01:46:12):
Was you.

Speaker 4 (01:46:13):
Know bad it's terrible how about people who torture Kids,
Sexual say this burglars, burglars who terrorize people and we can.
Go down the list you would be surprised how. Many
people there are and they'll all sit there and, they'll
look at you and they look like anybody you. See

(01:46:33):
on the street the whole. Notion of criminal, behavior you
gotta ask why would you? Want to do this why?
Do people do this why do people? Do this on
cameras why do? People rob a bank you don't rob?
Banks anymore of me so THIS is, this Is i
think and i'm. Glad to see it it's, because you're
not naive but you live in a good, world with

(01:46:55):
nice people and you never. Meet people like this so
do you? With just confound you why? Would somebody do
this what's the point you think? You're gonna get caught what?
What did, You seek in fact i'll, go one step
further nobody knew exactly. Why you did it you're not going, to,
go and say, hey by the way you know that,
Guy who was well i'm The mysterious killer and. I'm

(01:47:18):
Back right home But i'm gonna tell i'm not going
TO tell, you Who i am but i'm Gonna. Post
this on facebook the reason why that guy was shot was.
Because he mistreated people because he's ahead. Of an insurance
company he he's not. Going to do that so consequently he.
Shot somebody for nothing nobody knows. Why he was shot
what was? The purpose of that so you yourself can

(01:47:39):
know that this greedy. Insurance president was killed you want.
To spread the word you want everybody to know this
is what happens to you when you. Treat, people like this?

Speaker 9 (01:47:50):
Well where was that?

Speaker 2 (01:47:51):
WHERE was that.

Speaker 4 (01:47:52):
Manifesto i don't know, have a. Nice day my friend
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Think bob is Back. Bob and riverhead, Bob?

Speaker 5 (01:48:08):
ARE you there, bob i AM back lying, all i,
am back, All. Right all right bob, QUESTION to you
is i do not understand how the federal district court
judges are able to make rulings that affect the country
so therefore, outside of their district.

Speaker 4 (01:48:26):
Because they, deal with federal laws not Federal Laws within The,
southern district of manhattan but federal. Laws everywhere they're interpreting
and if, there is a, conflict If Let's say The
Southern district of new york Is Different than The, middle
district Of Florida then the supreme court can take up

(01:48:49):
the case under the conflict. Jurisdiction and act accordingly but,
what you're saying is, how can in essence a federal
your federal court act almost like a quasi. Legislature, on,
their own.

Speaker 5 (01:49:07):
Yes, well in other words we have seen, a lot,
of uh you know in the press every. Time the
executive branch that's something that judicial branches come in. And
and and those it seems to me that those judges,
operating within their district but then they make a ruling
and then, affects the entire country which to me would would.

(01:49:28):
Be outside the scope why why are not that limited
to the district? That they're operating in.

Speaker 4 (01:49:34):
Because the m a federal district, court ordinarily, can't exercise.
For example, criminal jurisdiction, you know but, uh let's say
elsewhere but nationwide ruling is involving. A national, federal statutes.

(01:49:55):
I mean you can't you, Can't, Only say that okay
i'm going to make a. Ruling but only here it's
not like a state court.

Speaker 10 (01:50:04):
Has that.

Speaker 4 (01:50:04):
Limited jurisdiction you know the question you have is is how,
can a federal case federal court deal with let's say
the issue of a regulation or something of more, of
a civil nature and its ruling applies nationwide and not
just within the. Confines of that area. Not criminal but

(01:50:27):
civil let's say they were to pass a, rule as
let's say striking down an administrative ruling On the, from the,
trump administration you know. Something along those lines and that's
the part. That gets people, crazy but, this is, of
course you know this is a federal. Tribunal for one
thing that's. One of the considerations, and, this is, called

(01:50:50):
like for. Example a nationwide injunction see a federal trial
judge sits, in one geographic, district but, the defendant for
example may be a federal agency or or a cabinet
official who. Administers a policy nationwide so if the judge
concludes that a, federal rule is unlawful the judge may
order that the, defendant not enforce it sometimes. Anywhere in

(01:51:12):
that country and the. Theory is pretty straightforward the court is,
controlling the federal defendant but before it not directly. Commanding
every other district does that make, Any, Sense to you.

Speaker 5 (01:51:24):
Yeah, and by the.

Speaker 4 (01:51:26):
Way it's, very controversial in fact one district judge can
effectively suspend the presidential administrations let's say, national policy for
everyone including people who never sued while the. Case proceeds
through appeal and then there's also this thing regarding judicial
overreach and judge, shopping and farm shopping and defenders of

(01:51:49):
this say a federal rule cannot logically Be held lawful
in Florida. But unlawful in CALIFORNIA remember this, is i
to say if, your ox is goal if this is,
something that benefits you you are absolutely. In favor of
it if it's, something that you, think wait a. Minute
this is ridiculous how? Dare you do this this is

(01:52:11):
this is a if you know what, To me a
favor i'm gonna put you on. HOLD for a second
i want to spend more TIME with you. BECAUSE i
like this i. Want to address this our number is
eight three three nine six' NINE four four four seven
a three three nine six.' nine four Four four seven
we returned to bob, coming up and asking a question
how can one judge basically act as a like a

(01:52:34):
one man legislature in negating or reversing and. Administration's policy
or protocol or procedures all coming Up next On Another
side of midnight With lionel.

Speaker 1 (01:52:49):
It's Another, Side of midnight? With lionel.

Speaker 4 (01:53:01):
Ah What is hip raydauer powerbum city line up with
our number eight three three nine. Six nine Four four
four seven bob and, riverhead Asked A very interesting question
and bob i wanted to spend some time. With you in,
twenty twenty five your question was how can, a how

(01:53:21):
can a Court Decide let's Say In, the southern district
of new york, that something is unconstitutional or unlawful and
it applies to everybody in, the country who never even
sued who never, Even was a Party. To this, let's
say in arizona? Let's, say how does this work well,
the case pretty much was done was reversed In Twenty.

(01:53:45):
Twenty five by The supreme COURT, it WAS called. Trump
against casa, the cisa case and before that. Let's say
you were a plaintiff you, could sue in One Federal
district Let's Say, the southern district of new york and
ask one judge to stop A, federal policy for everyone
in america even though millions of people who were effective.

(01:54:08):
Were not parties to the lawsuit that judge my issue,
what was called a universal injunction and then prevented the.
Government from Enforcing The policy anywhere so the supreme court.
SAID that is generally too, broad a, federal court's traditional
role that ruled is to protect the, parties who actually

(01:54:31):
brought the case not automatically rewrite the. Government policy for,
the entire, country so let's Say for example let's say the,
trump administration they ADOPT, a rule let's call it. X
whatever The hell that is, let's say california sues and
wins so the court may stop this rule or statute

(01:54:52):
or code Or whatever it is from. Harming california and
the other plaintiffs the judge ordinarily may, not pro hibit
that rule nationwide merely. Because the judge believes it's illegal
other states. Or individuals, may bring similar cases, so nationwide
which you're, talking about this. Nationwide relief though can still?

(01:55:15):
OCCUR how can we do this a court could certify
a nationwide class and, they're bringing like a class action
or a bunch of states could sue. And require broader
relief or so but the key distinction. You bring up
is very important declaring us a policy. Unlawful explains the

(01:55:35):
court's legal conclusion but an injunction determines who. Receives the
protection from the policy so you bring it's an excellent
point and for a man that we could, Barely understand
on the phone, before you've, come a LONG way my
friend anything, else, I.

Speaker 9 (01:55:48):
Can help you, with sir.

Speaker 5 (01:55:51):
Well HERE'S the issue right from what i understand is the.
Ninety four district federal district courts and the confusing part
is take, the Case of what's his name kilmar garcia
That's got THE port of del salvador and i think
it was this case. When the plane got turned around

(01:56:11):
now you have an agency that, to this that should
be deported and then you have one federal district judge.

Speaker 2 (01:56:17):
That is able to overrule.

Speaker 5 (01:56:19):
The entire action of the agency, and when you think
about it as, well as ninety four district courts you
wonder why they would have authority outside the jurisdiction of
their district and then. Able to affect that entire country.
So that, that was the question i'm like how can
they how can they judge. Have, the authority beyond his district.

Speaker 4 (01:56:40):
Well this fellow of us, have had some kind of.
Contact minimum CONTACT with that jurisdiction if if I Were
to Go To the southern District, of new york and
Say uh we WANT this honorable. Cord to enjoin? Ice,
from protecting Where.

Speaker 2 (01:56:56):
Is he Oh.

Speaker 4 (01:56:57):
He's. In arizona he's, in arizona yeah wait a Minute.

Speaker 9 (01:57:03):
Wy, don't you go to.

Speaker 4 (01:57:03):
Arizona no, we're gonna come here. They said get out.
Of here So a different story so this kilmore may
have had some type of, some connection here at least
presently and the judge can order whoever the federal agency
IS it SEEKS to seize. Him ice, OR dhs or
whatever my, friend i thank. You so much an, excellent,

(01:57:25):
point thank. You a great great great, question our, number
eight three three nine. Six nine four Four four Seven Let's.
Go to anthony on long island they're on Another.

Speaker 3 (01:57:38):
Side of.

Speaker 4 (01:57:38):
Been night With lionel he's gone how. About i'll let
Me see Here.

Speaker 10 (01:57:45):
Let's.

Speaker 4 (01:57:46):
Go, to robert in north carolina robert you're on Another Side, Of.
Bed Night, With.

Speaker 10 (01:57:50):
Lionel hillo lionel hello robert luigi he can be prosecuted
for the exact same crime in both federal and state,
courts under the rule of sovereigns the law of, sovereigns

(01:58:11):
without the law of SOVEREIGNS SOVEREIGNS GUN CASE SOVEREIGNS.

Speaker 4 (01:58:20):
S O V E, r e i g, n s,
sovereign like. Sovereign, nation, SOVEREIGN immunity sovereign authority.

Speaker 10 (01:58:29):
Yes okay i believe It was a gun case in
maryland where defendant was prosecuted under state and federal, law
for the exact same crimes and he was convicted in both. Courts,
UNDER the rule, Of sovereigns.

Speaker 4 (01:58:47):
Well i don't know i've ever. Heard of the rule
of sovereigns the Problem Is that the rule in, new
york has, a much broader a more plenary more restrictive
double jeopardy, law at the state. Court level which it
can do it can say you cannot charge somebody in

(01:59:10):
state court when he basically has. Been FOUND guilty in
federal court, of i, mean the, same everything, same transaction.
Same Plays Same. Victims same everything that's new. York other places.
May be different California Was different remember in the rodney
king case and those Officers They were charged at think
simi valley in one case they were charged the state

(01:59:32):
court and then federal court. For, kind of the same.
Behavior though remember they're always, Different but the rule of
Sovereigns i've Never Heard of that but in, new york.
It's a different story.

Speaker 2 (01:59:46):
All right.

Speaker 10 (01:59:48):
The defendant had claimed that double jeopardy raised the double Jeopardy,
defense right in the second court and That Was, tossed
aside by the supreme. Court and The Convenient, was upheld
but in.

Speaker 4 (02:00:05):
New york it's a different story they're going. To be dealing.
With This One it's different here the supreme court no.
Oftentimes Selectively believes In States rights the state of new
york can be far more restrictive when it comes to
this than. Any other state of the nation if, it's
so elects to. DO that it's up To.

Speaker 5 (02:00:25):
Them i don't believe.

Speaker 10 (02:00:28):
The, supreme court made that.

Speaker 4 (02:00:30):
Distinction no it's. Been Done Before they've said this, the
supreme court allows The state The State of the state
of new york. Cannot be forced to prosecute. Anybody it's,
discretionary to an, extent they're, saying under their Constitution Their

(02:00:52):
rules it, is against, new York Constitutional law not federal
but new york to basically charge the same case if it's.
The same transaction and same everything despite what You. Think
ABOUT the law of sombergs and i thank. You so
much For your Call Let's. Go, to jim on staten
island jim you're on Another. Side, Of Midnight.

Speaker 8 (02:01:12):
With the lionel hey lionel leah you mentioned that the sunset,
might have been a syntanic situation bringing, that Moward To today,
these guys. The charlie kirk murderer this guy do you
think that they could be triggering them through logarithms on their,

(02:01:32):
social and WEBSITE stuff to.

Speaker 4 (02:01:38):
YEAH like those i suppose it's i suppose it's kind
of pop almost Like a like an mk. ULTRA manchurian,
CANDIDATES sort of thing i mean i wouldn't, that.

Speaker 8 (02:01:47):
Was more, like they, Were like you know program program
but these rogorithms can MAKE you say you're on a
i don't want to mention them because. Then they might
put it down but. It's a letter of the alphabet it,
could if you watch certain things, it gives you, more
of it. More of it more of it.

Speaker 12 (02:02:07):
You would have a.

Speaker 4 (02:02:08):
Difficult time trying to explain that you would have a
very difficult time trying to explain that. TO anybody, ABOUT
how it could. I mean i, suppose it could the
question is let me ask you what? Motivates, SOMEBODY to
do these, things oh.

Speaker 8 (02:02:24):
I couldn't FATHOM.

Speaker 4 (02:02:26):
It you KNOW nor could i, so if i? Say
to you what is it? People are always right? As
it could it? Be music could it? Be books could
it be literature could it? Be could it Be The?
News could it be WI? Fi could it be? Five
g could it? Be psychotropic could it be vaccines could

(02:02:48):
could could? Maybe try proving they're?

Speaker 8 (02:02:52):
Weak people why are?

Speaker 4 (02:02:54):
They weak why are they weak.

Speaker 8 (02:02:57):
Because they're looking for something, to make their life not whole,
but to, have something in life you know so that
they could. You make A mark on society.

Speaker 4 (02:03:09):
I'm gonna i'm going to say something. That you're gonna
think is crazy what if these? People were brave to
do this what if? It took guts to, Do that
crazy as it sounds. But they're not weak at all
what if they believe they're doing something for a. For
a for a common good? Have you ever heard, of
somebody every now, and then Somebody will say this somebody

(02:03:31):
has let's say their, child is, abducted or god forbid
sexually abused and a parent will find that person who didn't.
Hunt them down and kill. Them most of us, applaud
that most. Of us say. GOOD for you. WE understand
completely i take that i think. That takes guts to
do that. Granted, you're risking your own life okay if

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Somebody says, in the in the MANGONI case as, a
crazy as i think is, BUT the clear of thought
says i believe, that THESE insurance companies are evil and
i want to teach these people the lesson that you
can't treat people like this and the, only way to
get their, attention because remember after this happened they took

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names off. Of of course they, DID rationally and by
the way i don't in any, way countenance or agree to,
this but, Some People would say you know bill maher
when he, Did that show call politically incorrect he one
time said that he believed that the nine to eleven
hijackers were actually very brave because it takes it takes

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guts to fly a plane into, a building or whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:04:42):
It WAS and that was.

Speaker 4 (02:04:43):
CRAZY so i don't really know i don't. KNOW what
makes people do this i will, never understand BECAUSE here's the.
Thing you and i aren't killers what would make let.
Let's let's go a step further. I've been fascinated by
serial killers how do you take somebody WHO all of
a sudden feels i have an urge and urge. To,

(02:05:06):
go on, And to kill now. What's interesting it is
so rare maybe less than ten percent of the population is.
A psychopath serial killers even, less you can go to prisons,
you can talk to absolute psychopaths and a lot of.
These serial killers, are not psychopaths and you say what is? It,

(02:05:27):
that made, him do it well. You see they had
three things, normally, they always, talk, about inurysis blood blood
loving bedwetting teasing animals. And starting fires being an arsonist
there are other, People who've had that happen? Too or
what about their family other people have had, bad families
and they were abused and they went their, Beds and

(02:05:48):
they burned down buildings they teased animals and they were.
Abused and they never did this why? Do some people
act like this what is it that makes somebody abandoned
to risk their, life, TO sit there and say. Look
i gotta calm this down i'm going to spend the.
Rest of my life in prison to go out in
the middle of the, night and find, some street walker

(02:06:11):
some poor hooker. And, KILL her and, Dismember HER why
i don't know, so i WILL go through.

Speaker 8 (02:06:20):
ME because when i. Got ON i thought one way
now i think, another way is kind?

Speaker 2 (02:06:25):
Of like what do? You? Think what do you? Think?
Now what? Do you THINK?

Speaker 8 (02:06:29):
NOW you change how did? I i THINK the? Banonsa
guy HOW did i change?

Speaker 2 (02:06:36):
How did I?

Speaker 4 (02:06:36):
CHANGE your perspective how did i.

Speaker 8 (02:06:39):
I once went on a case and they were, they
were trying to find jurors and they did the outside
thing where they they watched our people want whatever they
do to people to see which. Way they'll lean on
the case and, every lawyer spoke changed my opinion. And
you just, Changed my opinion SO you know but how.

Speaker 4 (02:07:00):
Did i change? YOUR opinion from.

Speaker 5 (02:07:02):
What TO what i.

Speaker 8 (02:07:03):
DON'T know how i can't, see i, can't see a
guy you know with, what they Show On. The, media,
who killed charlie kirk yeah uh just getting up one
day and taking his grandfa's thing and going up on. A,
ROOF and shooting the guy oh.

Speaker 4 (02:07:19):
I don't believe. He, DID it i don't believe oh. I,
don't believe that. At. All yeah he's a. Patsy absolutely
that case. Is ridiculous.

Speaker 9 (02:07:28):
Look, at the case.

Speaker 4 (02:07:28):
By the way. Here's a combination here's a combination one
Of The most Interesting Cases IS sir han. Or siran
sir i remember him and this is, a guy who
decided one Day, IF this case isn't mk. Ultra i
don't know what is he wakes up one day and,
he goes out and they said he finds himself in prison.

(02:07:49):
Or whatever, he's in or jail? He goes, what do they,
do he said what? You mean What Did? You do
you shot bobby kennedy why Because Of? His position, in,
the middle east he said well What What's? His position, in,
the Middle. East he, said, well you're jordanian he said
well hell does that? HAVE to do With A, what
i don't mind. Bobby kennedy, but you killed him so
anyway so they looked at his the number of bullets

(02:08:13):
that he could HAVE possibly fired from his but. I
think it was like eight it. Was a pretty different
interesting cylinder And There Was a fellow named thane eugene
caesar who was. A Kind Of a hired gun bobby
kennedy junior Talking. About this and the kupdi Grass The
actual shot that took bobby kennedy out was behind the.

(02:08:34):
Ear and it was so close they had. Stippling and
They had close contact sir. Hansor hann was across the.
Room he was nowhere near it there were more bullets
fired that night than.

Speaker 12 (02:08:44):
He even.

Speaker 4 (02:08:45):
Had in his gun. It's crazy so HERE'S another question
not only do i not understand why he would have
DONE this if you believe the Mk Ultra or, MIND
control or, Manchurian canada whatever i don't know but why
do you Believe so many people in the. Kennedy family
don't care about This Why aren't they, going, TO donald

(02:09:08):
trump and saying listen i DON'T give a damn about.
The UFOs or Whatever it is why did they what
do you know about why they killed our uncle? And
why they. Killed our father this is Anhing But. Two
Was talking about charlie. Kirk tyler, Robinson. Is on trial
his Wife Erica instead of saying? To kendice olmans another's

(02:09:31):
thank you do you think? Somebody else was involved in.
THIS she Basically Said two THINGS i forgive tyler robinson
and i want. You to speed this trial up if
anybody told me that the official narrative of the people,
WHO killed my, father was, wrong i would say tell me.
THANK you for caring about this i don't understand how
people think. WHEN you're trying to. HELP them i don't

(02:09:53):
get it i. DON'T get a lot of things i.
DON'T get this in the least, i thank you. For
calling you my dear friend eight three three nine. Six
nine four four four seven let me Say a great
shout Out. To jackson and mister bill lee look at.
This what we're doing right now you don't. Even, know how, Primitive,

(02:10:15):
this is benny and bayside benny you're On another side of, Midnight.

Speaker 2 (02:10:18):
With, lionel, kind, of illegally benny yes?

Speaker 5 (02:10:24):
Yes, sir, do you hear. Me yes sir very good
question as far as every other week we read in
the paper house some crazy guy assaulted a woman who was,
arrested fourteen times this year alone right, and was given
desk appearance tickets and those, tickets came, and went, like
whatever forty days fifty days however long he has. To

(02:10:45):
come back in the pier but he was. Arrested after
that appearance ticket? Expired why is she not held? WHY
is that person not held.

Speaker 4 (02:10:54):
I have now the earthly idea why The person IS
even allowed to how do i? Say this even walk the.
Planet here's another one FOR you. This IS one that
i got but i. Was in traffic court years ago
we had this one guy who came in and he
had he had. MORE DUIs, than you can imagine i

(02:11:16):
mean he just the guy Was like the The The
al capone. Or the charles managet, Of, DUI and the judge,
says OKAY i find you're. Guilty AND i suspend your
license and i looked at his record and you could
you could just look. At it from across the. ROOM it,
was just so thick i said now you run. Or
he doesn't have a. License he, doesn't have, a license

(02:11:39):
YOU know?

Speaker 9 (02:11:39):
He said WHAT do?

Speaker 4 (02:11:40):
I do, what do i? Do he says suspend his. License,
he doesn't have a license? Okay well what about. Multiple
charges so guess what happened had, he, been just, given
his second third or fourth he would. Have looked at
mandatory jail time but because, he elevated it to a
felony now we're, in circuit court versus county court. And
now he's looks at probation so he's better off. Being charged,

(02:12:03):
FIVE or, six times it doesn't i mean none. Of
it makes it de sense let me. Tell you what the, judge,
did so he says okay well. Let me, give, you
a story he, said so thank. You very much. And
he leaves he walks out so the judge tells. The you,
had these state troopers he says. Could you, please approach

(02:12:24):
the bench he says. THIS guy doesn't have a license i.
Want you to go follow him, if he gets. In the,
car you rush him so anyway. He gets this, car
sure enough after leaving court, he's in the courthouse parking
lot gets in the car and he IS surrounded by
every smokey bear i think. In court they. All came,

(02:12:45):
out he looks, around he goes oh my god now
they got him. For driving with a suspended license now
that's the one. That's got. The penalty behind it it's,
nuts let me also tell you. LET me go a
step further i can show you that there Might Be
in The city of new. York or dayton Or Any,

(02:13:05):
place maybe maybe in new, york there might, be twelve
hundred maybe. Two thousand but let's make it let's just, say, twelve,
hundred absolute worst. People recidivius lunatics you name it if
we had a, task for us that targeted them charging
with habitual fellon, the offender of three times round. Whatever

(02:13:28):
you want to call it we could make the world
better because those twelve hundred people commit like eighty percent.

Speaker 9 (02:13:36):
Of the of the part point i'm.

Speaker 4 (02:13:38):
Going to give you another story. I'VE got a Friend
Of mine.

Speaker 5 (02:13:42):
I got a new, yorkers get commit all you, know not.

Speaker 4 (02:13:45):
All the clients right exactly exactly. Let me give you
another story. I've got a friend of mine, this guy
is a hardcore conservative rock ribbed right wing. Whatever you. Want,
to call it good guy okay He. Moved for a
while to china, he had a, GIRLFRIEND or something and
he Says. I don't know about this china so he's

(02:14:06):
walking around in this little neighborhood or, county whatever the cities,
are called and, on every, pole like you, know a
telephone poll or wall. There's a picture, of this guy
and he says of. Course he, can reach on These He.
Goes my Name is captain lee let's say. I'm in
charge of this, sector if. You have a problem call. Me,

(02:14:29):
this is, my, cell number anybody, bothers you, Anybody any
any problem call me and sure enough you can call
him and he answers the. Phone and they will come
up because the crimes a, little bit different, And they say,
what's the problem and they say see, that guy. There
in the neighborhood he's crazy and they. Look and they say.
THANK you next day he's gone. I don't know where he.

(02:14:51):
Is i don't want. To know they are so active and,
the reason why is they say like of the old
days of, compstatt if you if he does if he
doesn't meet the satisfaction of, the individuals who work for
him that he's, charged with those in. The area he'll lose,
his job now another thing too is. So my friend

(02:15:13):
is just astonished So he happens to meet some chinese
policeman and he's expecting but. They're just, they're very good
people so anyway they're talking to. One and, a guy
asked me he says. Let me, ask, you a question,
he says well all. Due respect, they're very very polite.
He said let, me ask you so. He said this
may sound terrible if somebody raped and murdered your daughter,

(02:15:35):
or let let's let's just say, rape your daughter in your,
Country what would happen to? Him what would happen, to.

Speaker 2 (02:15:40):
Him.

Speaker 4 (02:15:42):
And my friend said, well he probably would be eventually,
he would maybe do some jail. But probably, not the,
first time, he says, uh huh maybe probation uh huh or.
Maybe a minimum amount of? Time what about, life, in prison, now,
he said okay he says now do you know what
would happen here as it? Provided he's. FOUND guilty or, whatever,

(02:16:05):
he said i he said. Oh execute him very very,
quickly and the reason why is you, don't do that
to our children or. To our wives, or our daughters
and they. Say our you don't do that when, you
heard one of, our children one of, our women one
of our. Citizens you hurt all of us and, he looked.

(02:16:28):
At me and said that's beautiful but we. Don't do
that in this country we don't. Do this because WE
have people we have these i, don't know, if it's democratic,
socialists left wingers whatever it was who want to apply this.
Weird kind of a restorative justice this is that sorrow's

(02:16:49):
esque restorative justice where. We look at quote non carcarole
we want to find? Out why do people commit? Crimes
why do? They, DO this what, motivates them.

Speaker 9 (02:17:04):
No i didn't know not even.

Speaker 4 (02:17:05):
But don't even care about that we just want to realize,
that maybe and by the way Thank you for your
call and what happens is they'll take a woman and
they'll thank, you to have, a woman who let let's
say is Abused and she has to. Meet this is.
Under restorative justice look this up she'll. Have to meet
with her assailant why so that both. Of them can

(02:17:27):
have an, understanding she's terrified with this guy and, if
she doesn't meet. With him the charges. Are dropped. THIS
is victim intimidation. It's bizarre, I promise you something years.
AGO i had, a law professor i loved him And
he had this shold. What actually he, talked like that

(02:17:47):
he was brilliant, but he had a cut mind You
kind Of Like a Matt Lock Or racehorse hanes or
bobby lee, cook, or one of, these times who by The.
Way was the, inspiration for, matlock and he said. And
somebody this is years ago somebody broke in and remember
when we had when people would steal your radios and
there was, a sign. Of cars and said no radio remember,
that people would steal Your Radio. AT least here in

(02:18:10):
new york i don't, know about where we were. Anyway
but they got, his radio, AND he tells me. He,
says i got a question now. Let's assume let's hear
me out let's assume that we have A new, law
that says, effective january one twenty. Twenty seven or twenty
twenty eight but. We get people plenty of time if,
we catch you stealing the radio we will take you

(02:18:35):
to the courthouse and set you. On fire in front
of everybody we will set You.

Speaker 9 (02:18:43):
On fire.

Speaker 4 (02:18:45):
Twenty twenty seven january if, you want to steal a
radio get, it out Of your, system now but come
january first twenty, twenty seven or twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 1 (02:18:57):
We will.

Speaker 4 (02:18:57):
Set, You, on fire he said no now. Let me ask,
you a, question somebody's. Going up you know, try it
they're gonna. Say nah, they don't mean that sure enough
we're gonna get. Somebody who's, Set, them on fire he
said now do you think the number do you think
the number of radio thefts will go up or go

(02:19:18):
down once the word gets out. That we, Set, people
on fire he says now let's assume You said that's.
The CRAZIEST thing i've ever, heard and. I said to
you you're right you know, the best way to protest.
It to make it. Go away don't steal a radio
if you, don't steal a radio. For hell, the nobody

(02:19:39):
get burned you see. You have the, control, of that
and he? Says NOW why, is that illogical, AND i
said you know what. I can't think of. ANY reason
i never sounds draconian I know IT sounds like and
i and i am one of THESE people who it's
not that. I was never a bleeding heart i believe

(02:20:01):
that sometimes first time offenders we, should because believe it.
Or not probation workssida business lower but there are people
who just. Should. BE taken off the streets now i don't.
Believe necessarily in the death Penalty but we've got plenty
of if, we've got room for data centers, we have,

(02:20:21):
room for you, know not hellholes not double islands but
warehouse prisons, in the middle of you know. Places where
not deserts per se there's a Lot of land here.
And warehouse these people abb sobolutely let, people know that

(02:20:43):
whatever you Do Don't. Bother people in the united states
but the problem is When You, have a mayor like mom,
donnie when you have d essay when you have a
lot of people coming in, who want, to understand the
reasons the basis the the.

Speaker 5 (02:20:58):
Kind.

Speaker 4 (02:20:59):
Of the cognitive and societal strictures as, long as we have.
Those people WE have a problem so, what I think we,
should do like, i've told you for certain cases warn
them and then take them. Outside and set? Them on fire?
Is that crazy let me know eight three three nine.
Six nine four four four seven this is a linel with.

(02:21:21):
You on another side Of midnight It's.

Speaker 1 (02:21:25):
Another side of midnight with lionel.

Speaker 11 (02:21:37):
I'm.

Speaker 4 (02:21:37):
Run, In Line up with. You oh tom waite's very
good eight three three nine. SIX nine four four four.
Seven i still like a. Song the piano has. Been
drinking now that's A song let me see if. I've
got time for one cart. The calls have Been absolutely
Superlative let's see, If, Roger in westchester is there Roger

(02:21:58):
you're on Another. STARTED to midnight with the Lionel.

Speaker 2 (02:22:03):
I.

Speaker 14 (02:22:03):
Wouldn't miss This the, branton vinyl people know luigi's name
but nobody remembers the guy at. The correspondence did at
that lunatic nobody knows the name of The Guy who
shot that Beautiful national guards. Woman just before thanksgiving last
year Nobody Remembers the name of the boulder city firebomber That.

Speaker 2 (02:22:25):
Psycho pad because. THEY know luigi they love it i
was listening. To the news the other day this guy
Couldn't go. Two words without saying luigi's name. So THERE'S
something really about that but, i, just, want to tell
you say son?

Speaker 4 (02:22:38):
What do you think it is? WHAT do you think
it is.

Speaker 2 (02:22:41):
I think?

Speaker 7 (02:22:41):
What do you think it is?

Speaker 2 (02:22:43):
Who cares, about what they, hate, but anyways the thing
is uh.

Speaker 4 (02:22:48):
Tell me my question is what why do? You think he? Is?
So different what is? IT what what is your Theory?

Speaker 2 (02:22:55):
I just said they hated italians? OR what else could
it be. I mean to keep mentioning it this guy
Could go. Two words without saying luigi's name nobody. Knows,
THE correspondence and the cycle okay.

Speaker 4 (02:23:05):
I understand why you're repeating. Yourself let me get this
trip you're telling me the reason why people are talking About.
Him is because they hate italians.

Speaker 2 (02:23:16):
They keep Repeating. His, name because they. Hate, italians yeah
that's his name.

Speaker 4 (02:23:23):
Okay let. Me let me try. This again, he's in federal,
court he's young he's. Twenty eight From a rich family
he had he's not, your average, run. Of the mill
you know murderer he's basically he's taken On a, not
not a robin hood aspect but a lot. Of people
have found him admirable you don't see any reason why

(02:23:47):
people might why this case might be a little, bit different.

Speaker 2 (02:23:53):
If. There's a Murder What's, the difference look at laken.
Riley the guy who murdered. Her no one knows his name, no,
one even says to?

Speaker 4 (02:23:59):
You say are you telling me are you telling me
you Used.

Speaker 2 (02:24:02):
To see the Guy, from venezuela that's what?

Speaker 5 (02:24:04):
They okay are you telling.

Speaker 4 (02:24:05):
Me let me, tell you something one we're talking you're
telling me that the reason, WHY he is this young
man a. Lot of women find him attractive he has basically.
Spoken on behalf of an Industry, he's almost like a robin,
hood unlike the others. Bad people bad bad bad people
and the only reason, why people, are talking about him
in fact, many of them Fondly. Interestingly enough. IS because

(02:24:29):
he's italian that's. Good, i never Saw.

Speaker 2 (02:24:33):
That One come what, about berkowitz after, burkowitz was, arrested
the murders stops you said is?

Speaker 4 (02:24:39):
IT because, it's because he's genius I? Mean is it
because he's jewish is That Why, People were Talking, about
burkeowitz's no.

Speaker 2 (02:24:46):
I'm saying burkele? Whuld you say he is innocent so
why did the? Murders?

Speaker 4 (02:24:49):
Stop, after he, was arrested no no and well one
of the reasons why.

Speaker 2 (02:24:54):
Murders stopped after he was arrested so why.

Speaker 4 (02:24:57):
One of the reasons why the murders stopped is, because
people were looking for them the. People that he was
involved with that other people have noticed said this is.
Not a good venture for. Us let's, stay, away from this.

Speaker 2 (02:25:11):
Well Listen first the first. Shooting was april nineteen seventy
six it. Was used for thirty eight. Caliber THE woman is.
Still alive she i di'd Him And Two Years Ago
the new york city police department put that case that
that that Uh that shooting as part of burke which
is my.

Speaker 4 (02:25:30):
Friend we will talk, against again thank you. So, much
a most fascinating, Call, Indeed thank you So. Much bill
thank you and. Jackson let me tell you something they
will never, know what you, went through, tonight the extra
work the effort and your ability to adapt. To collapse

(02:25:51):
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tomorrow for the second version Of this thing Of. Ours
on another side of. Midnight it has been a pleasure
have a. Great day in a great. Evening we will

(02:26:12):
see you. Tomorrow don't forget the monkey's Dead. The Show's
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