Lionel Discusses Various Evils, The Reasoning For The Death Penalty, And The Rise Of AI

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
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know lie alone, I know already line up with you.
And this is another side of midnight numbers. Eight hundred
and eight four eight nine two. That is your ignition

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switch to whatever the heck this thing is that we do.
I love the notion the ignition switch. By the way,
this is a kind of a review just in case
you've tuned in, because one of the one of the rudimentary,
ab sedarian rules of radio is that you always assume
that somebody is listening for the first time. You always

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reset supposedly or supposedly as people say sets and stop sets,
and because somebody's getting into a car or getting out
of a car, then they don't know what you're talking about.
One of my favorite things people say on radio is
we'll be right back, We'll be back. We're gonna take
a break, I'll be back, We'll be back. Where are

(01:27):
you going, I'm going to be back?

Speaker 4 (01:30):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Oh, you mean this stupid commercials coming on right So
you're signaling to people, I'm stopping. They've got this commercial
that people are paying money for which fuels it. I've
never understood that. That's one of those rudimentary things, and people
say it all the time. We'll be right back after
the break, after the break, we'll be back. And my
favorite two is we're out of time, out of time.

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You didn't plan for this little pet peeves. They mean nothing,
perhaps maybe something to you.

Speaker 5 (02:00):
But I.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Love how, in many respects we have to ask ourselves
what is it that we're trying to do, And the
best part about what we're trying to do. What I'm
trying to do is to get away from this kind
of loopy art Bell idea. Now, with all due respect,
he's great, he's wonderful. There's only one art Bell. That's it.
You can't you can't imitate him. It's just like people

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who want to be Rush Limbaugh. You can't imitate that
Rush Drat. I cursed him because he spawned somebody want
to be people who thought, oh I can do this.
I'll just say I'll just say whatever I have to
say new But there's something which is I think is

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even more interesting. And by the way, another fascinating aspect
about the show or people who will call irrespective of
what I'm talking about, and they will ask somebody about
what do you think about raising the postal the postage rate,
or you know, just out of the blue, completely oblivious
in a nice way as to what we're talking about.

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Those are Those are always sometimes some of the most
fascinating stories. And by the bye, as my great friend
Bert Sugar used to say, by the bye the gem.
The most overlooked part of talk radio is the caller.

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I've never seen callers are wonderful and they are the
I don't know what you call it, the lifeblood. It's
fun because some people don't like it. Some some hosts
just don't like that. I've seen this historically. They'll say,
give me a guest, give me let me talk to

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somebody I know. Oh, I don't know about this. Who's
this guy, who's this guy online?

Speaker 3 (03:54):
One?

Speaker 1 (03:54):
I don't know take it, I don't know. What if
he's what if he's loopy?

Speaker 6 (03:58):
Good?

Speaker 1 (04:00):
That's the fun part. That's what people remember because that's
one of the things which is an interesting aspect of
what I like to look at. In addition to everything
that normally people talk about overnight, is the human experience,
human psychology, the way we think the way we act,
the way we behave, and the way we look at
something somebody mentioned before, and I think it might have

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been the Great Doctor Sky. I do not know, but Andre,
but I wanted to make this is in my notes
during the week, I cobble down a couple I'd rather
write down a few notes that I want to speak
to you about. And one of those the ideas people
say is they want to know they want to talk
about mysteries. Now, I am a absolutely priggish, admittedly pedantic,

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I'm sorry, very precise when it comes to defining words
what they mean. Do you want to know what a
mystery is? And I'm thinking, provided the mystery is interesting,
there are a lot of mysteries out there that I
really don't care about. You want to talk about Judge
Crater's disappearance, Maybe that won't go very far, but that

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is a mystery. There's some things that are mysterious. We
don't really understand them, but they're not very interesting. Nobody's
talking about them. But then I thought to myself, but
what's the difference between something that is a mystery is
something that is just unknown? Aren't they synonymous? And what
I always remind people of and suggest people do. Is

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always refer to definitions. You have dictionaries online. It's the
greatest thing in the world. You don't really need a dictionary.
And a mystery is defined by the way is something
unexplained but but defined enough to investigate? Something un explain

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but define enough to investigate. We know the event or
the question or the phenomenon exists, but we don't yet
understand its cause, its meaning, its solution. The unknown is
much broader. It includes everything we don't know, including things
we have not discovered or yet to discover, or imagine

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things we've never even recognized as questions. So put differently,
a mystery is a known question without an answer, but
the unknown may contain questions we don't even know yet
to ask. And I love that. I love that. I

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love the idea of thinking about what it is we're
going to talk about first. It's called critical thinking. And
this is society, this wonderful idea that we hate so much,
and that is the ability just to think about things.
When I was a law school, we had this wonderful notion.
In fact, if you've ever taken the bar exam, or

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if you're doing it kind of an essay question. It
was called Iraq. I are a C not the country,
but it's a an acronym four issue, rule, analysis, conclusion.
And the first thing which is the most interesting is
what is the issue? And the second part is the

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rule is what do we know? What is the rule?
What are the data? What are the facts? What do
we know about this? The third is analysis. Let's analyze
those two, compare the issue with the rule, and then
you come up with a conclusion. And I hear people
a lot of times just kind of this monitoring and
this circular prattle. They just go around and around. Nothing

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really happens. There's no analysis, it's just reaction, and reaction
to me is the most uninteresting. That's just somebody yelling.
There's no thinking to sit here and say, well, let
me think about that. And one of the things which
you will never hear, I hate to say it on
a lot of political programs, which I don't think this
is per se, but it is, is the ability to empathize.

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The first things I want to know is why does
somebody else think what they think? It's not so much me,
but why does somebody think differently? Every now and then
you'll hear somebody talk about. One of the most phenomenal
stories that people talk about, at least in New York

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is the mayor Mamdani, and about one percent of the
population can even pronounce his name correctly. You go Mandani
and it's all different. You would think it's so simple,
there's nothing to it. But maybe there's a reason for that.
Maybe some people think he's so loath and there are
people who loathe him. I will absolutely loathe him, I
mean despise him. And I take politics for example, very

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very more. I don't I don't despise it. I want
to understand it. And the first thing I ask friends
of mine who exhibit this particular type of thing is
why do you think people like him? And you'll hear this,
I don't care why, So well you better care why
because if you do, you want to stop him? Do

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you want to? And this is this is just this
is applying critical thinking to something that we hear all
the time. You never hear this, You never hear this.
You always hear people who think it's fun to say
who can yell the loudest, who can say something that's
the most you know, opprobrious, He's a jerk, Okay, fine,
and that goes for anything anything I've heard people talk

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about speaking of UFOs. That's ridiculous, that's crazy. It's like, well,
let's talk about this. I don't want to talk about this.
I just want to react. Well, why is it crazy? Well,
if they exist, we would know it. Why would we
know it? Why do aunts nowhere here? What does that mean?

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And again people will look at me like, what are
you talking about? Why are you I don't want to
do this, but I'm thinking, don't, don't, don't. Don't you
find the issue fascinating? And the issue, by the way speaking,
just give you an idea which is the most especially
for my friends, my Catholic friends, and I know something

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about this as being a retired Catholic, having been raised
in Catholic school and having nothing but the utmost respect
for all of them. Is what if extraterrestrials, ebes, extraterrestrial
biological entities? What if they are born without original sin?
Is it one god for the universe? Would Jesus even apply?

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Is there such a thing as being born again when
they would know nothing about Jesus at all? And does
ignorance mean not ignorance but you you were unaware. And
I look in people's faces and I look at their eyes,
and when the eyes kind of darch I see this
a lot. Sometimes they'll blink. They really don't know. I said,
this is the most fascinating issue of them all. It's

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not show me another grainy picture. Show me another picture
of some tic tec. We've seen this a million times.
That doesn't work. Or this week in the Tyler Robinson case,
show me the video that they claim is so clear
that doesn't exist. By the way, that's a great trial.

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It makes the OJ's case look like a walk in
the park. But anyway, that's for another time. But I
ask people, don't you understand the real big issue, the
big issue, and the big issue is do you not
ever sit back and just wonder what it will be
like to travel in a thought experiment in a space

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ship if you will, that perhaps could be can in
an inertial bubble that could turn sharp corners and fly
at the I mean just using anti gravitic propulsion. So
what I'm doing is the purpose of what I've just
discussed is we don't think enough, we don't analyze enough,

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we don't ask questions enough. Last week, somebody said and
it was a very nice person. But this always makes
me wonder are they paying attention. One of them is
I know this is true because the Book of John
says such and such. And I said, well, what if
you don't adhere to or you know what the Book
of John is in the Bible. And the answer was, well,

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what do you mean? And I thought, Okay, here we
go again. The inability to appreciate that not everybody understands
things the way we think of them. One of the
most important years ago Ewo Jima it was I think
it was when He's with the was Ego Gimo was

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the movie and it was a story about about the
about the Vietnam excuse me, about the UH Japanese War
from the viewpoint of US and the Japanese. And I thought,
I want to know what they think. I want to

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know why we think things. I want to know why
when it comes to our political discussions they are so
so uni cellular, there's nothing to them. We really don't
know how to to uh, to explain things. I was
watching an old not all but I guess it was all.

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It was Americans. I forgot there's a PBS on Daniel
Patrick moynihan, one of my favorites. He would not be
recognized today a master of erudition, uh, not even a patrician,
but somebody who was a real thinker. He would be

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absolutely lost. He would be loathed and detested as some
kind of egghead. There was a time when I so
watched Firing Line and William F. Buckley, George will Pat Buchanan.
We had real thinkers, even the Conservatives Orans and Irving Crystal.

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And if it's fascinating, who do we have today? No one,
because that involves thinking and analysis and what we have
today is reaction. Think about this, because it's the loss
of critical thinking, the absence, the dearth, the paucity, the
evanescent critical thinking. Coming up right now, it is, of course,

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Warrior Weekend. We will always have as our weekly feature
my beloved wife Lynshaw to find out what is going
on regarding the world of child predation and her work
with Lynn's Warriors. That's coming up on another side of
Midnight with me lineel holdbody, the line over with you.

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This is another side of midnight and every week with
our first segment is a very very critical and very
very important segment with my beloved. Full disclosure, my Wifelynshaw,
and she is the founder of Lyn's Warriors. She is
lyns Warriors on YouTube and Lynn's Underscore Warriors on X

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Tonight's topic. Big Tech keeps selling AI, but the public
is increasingly rejecting it, especially for children, and AI, as
you know, is every were. In fact, a recent survey
says at about eighty two percent of the American public
rejects AI from pop up data centers across the US,

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talk of AI education in the classrooms, Capitol Hill discussing
AI NonStop and voting on legislation sort of we'll talk
about that, and the White House figuring out how to
best address best address the issue. Now every week there's
another announcement, another product, another promise that AI will change

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our lives. And I'm also going to tell you there's
a lot going on right now too, which but I
don't want to explain this to you. Let's have our guest.
She is, of course, the leader, if you will, the
founder and director of Lyn's Warriors, my wife, Lyndshaw. Welcome
to Warrior Weekend, young lady.

Speaker 7 (16:50):
Good evening, my husband. First, let's start with a big
thanks for you for always focusing on what you know,
we work on at the Warriors each and every day.
It is so urgent and so important to the American
public to hear about these things that they don't really
hear a lot about in the media.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
And and by the way, one thing too, you talk
sometimes about bipartisan and I know it's it's sometimes I
think it's rather pateeller a bit axiomatic for people to
necessarily whenever anybody hears our Governor Hokel, people say, oh,
but you know what, shout out to her. What has

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she done that is noteworthy? Regarding Ai listen, she.

Speaker 7 (17:37):
Is the first New York she's the first governor in
the whole nation. Kathy Hochel. She signed the first law
against building these massive, you know, air sucking, water sucking,
electricity sucking data centers in New York State, the first
governor to do so. She does not want these in

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New York State.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
You know there's also something too, but I want I
don't want to dwell too much on it, because sometimes
it's very easy to kind of sound like you want this,
But I am sorry to say that I predict well
put it this way. I want people to be very
careful that the anger that people are exhibiting regarding AI

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and the like is very similar to the anger that
people saw with Luigi Mangoni and healthcare, and that a
lot of well, you could explain this. A lot of
AI from Altman and anthropic on down, are very concerned
as to their safety. People are worried about sabotage. The
public is not embracing AI and data centers at all. Explain.

Speaker 7 (18:51):
Yeah, you know, these big tech CEOs worried about their safety.
But you know what, Lionel, I am worried about the
safety of our children and families in America. You're here
with the internet, with online with big tech, with social
media harms. Enough about them with their trillions and trillions
of dollars, and they don't even have Look, I don't
want to be the morality police here. They don't have

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the decency to put some guardrails on their product design.
Let's talk about big tech as a product design to
help everybody with keeping kids safe with this runaway train.
There is no regulation. The government is basically in favor
of all of this powerful technology, including AI. Okay, and

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we are pro innovation, pro technology. I like to always
point that out. I also like to point out you
mentioned by partisan. Yes, and this is the one issue
where we have in Washington, okay, and in the States
coming together Democrats and Republicans to work on all of this.
But here's the thing. You know, Americans are not rejecting
technology as a whole. They're rejecting this idea that technology.

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We have learned from the last thirty years of basically
the Internet born in nineteen ninety six, that without any
kind of common sense safeguards, some guardrails, we have seen
what has happened to our kids. Okay, the isolation, the
mental health, you know, all of this, and you know what,
they don't want it with AI, this artificial intelligence. So

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right now they are pushing back Americans. Okay, they don't
want these data centers. They're popping up seemingly in residential
neighborhood you know, in people's backyards. I do not exaggerate,
and people report and send pictures. You know, they make
so much noise and they have light and this is
twenty four hours a day, and they're just these massive,

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ugly places. And the state of Texas has the largest,
by the way, and follow the Red Police. Senator Ted
Cruz is the one voting on August fifth with his
Commerce Committee now to explain this well for our kids
Online Safety Act Center Version seventeen forty eight that we
the Warriors have been talking about and working on for

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four point five years with the American public and families
to just have a duty of care, and that means
a piece of legislation that says, you know what, big tech,
have a reasonable duty of care. You put out a product,
do everything you know kind of in your power to
make it a safe product. Let's keep talking about product designer.
We're not talking about censorship or what people are talking

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about online. We're not talking about shutting, banning anything down.
We're talking about you have a duty of care when
you put out a product. I mean, after all, I
buy a mattress. It's defective, right.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
That you know?

Speaker 7 (21:40):
They have all kinds of testing and things like that.
You've got seatbelt, you got bicycle helmets. How about a
food product it goes bad, there's a recall. We have
to keep pushing on this and the public has to
know they have to participate and help us contact their legislators.
They don't want this AI and it seems now people
are up and finding these massive structures in their neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
A couple of things here. Let let's let's make sure
we to this. AI can be great. AI can actually,
if it could help, it can do so much later
on in the area of another city I've done correctly
in the area of let's say, radiology in breast cancer detection.

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What if there was a because it learns, it has
it's llms and language models, and it learns it. It
teaches itself. But what if, for example, they say that
you could go through some mimography programs can can read,
you know, can take basically every mammogram that's ever been
done and compare it and learn women can get results.

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And so that's wonderful. So nobody is saying stop AI,
get rid of AI. That's like saying get rid of computers,
get rid of TV, get rid of radio. No. But
the but there's two things you mentioned the design. Well, first,
before I this, what's the White House doing? What's the
administration doing? And what do you suggest President Trump should do?

Speaker 8 (23:08):
Well?

Speaker 7 (23:08):
The first thing I suggest President Trump should be doing
is in all of this conversation, okay, in his administration
around child safety, he should be having parents at the table.
This is the thing in Washington may lack. We have
what we call now Unfortunately it's horrific. Thousands of survivor families,

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their children have been harmed by big tech, whether it's sextortion, cyberbullying,
eating disorders. These kids are no longer with us encouraged
by it could be a TikTok challenge things they learned online.
Why do we know this because a lot of these
parents went through their children's phones after their debts or
their journals and they learned all of this. So in

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all of this talk, we need to have these parents
who briefly have come forward for those who can't is
there's thousands across our country, and sit them down in
the Oval office and have a constructive conversation. Because right
now you've got these big tech people around President Trump.
They are Silicon Valley. That is their agenda, that is

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their interest in being a global leader, in ruling the
world and being powerful, and they don't care about the
families and the children. So we are urging a President
Trump have these parents at the table part of these discussions.
But I want to get back to I mentioned Senator
Ted Cruz and the importance of this kid's Online Safety Act.

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He is a Senator from Texas. Texas is the state
with the most eighteen plus more being built of these
massive AI data centers. He also is the chair of
the Commerce Committee, where our Kids Online Safety Act is
hanging right now after all these years, to be voted

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on on August fifth. So kind of follow the thread.
Take what you want from what I just said. But
big tech has the money, the power, and that's what
everybody wants. In Washington. President Trump has surrounded it. We
sought at the inauguration, sitting behind him where all the
big tech CEOs. Big tech has certainly helped finance the

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ballroom they're building and the UFC event they seem to
be involved, and just today the Warriors, I guess I
should say yesterday. Now our coalition meeting we do every
Friday with Washington, and we learned today this quarter that
big Tech spends two hundred and thirty thousand plus dollars

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per day on Capitol Hill a lobbyists to fight child
safety legislation. Now what does that tell everybody? What does
that tell everybody? Too? Well, thirty thousand plus a day
on lobbyists, you.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Know what's funny? Without going into too specific. Sometimes it's
has been popular in politics to decry big money different
whether it's big tech, whether it's big agra, whether it
it was a gun lobby years ago, the climate lobby.

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Certain Middle Eastern people take great offense of that, and
that's fine. We're not gonna argue the point. This maybe
of them all the biggest concerted effort to lobby and
basically control government of all of the various lobbies combined.

Speaker 7 (26:37):
I mean, it absolutely is. And the White House right now,
with all of this out there, with our various you know,
across the country, parents and organizations and the warriors constantly
going to capital, the going to the White House. Look,
the White House financially launch a nationwide campaign in public
education about AI. We've done it with again this oaking

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the seatbelts, the opioids. Americans deserve straightforward information about AI
at chatbot companions and online scams. All of this and
should be coming out of the White House. And they
should be bringing together the different administrations like HHS, Department
of Education, the FTC. How about educators, pediatricians again I

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mentioned families, child safety organizations to develop. Everybody needs to
come together. Everybody's doing this little piecemeale thing. Nobody knows
what the other one is doing. I keep hearing in
Washington while we don't know what that they're doing there.
I don't understand. Why aren't they all coming together in
the name of the American public. I mean, they work
for us. We can't wait. We cannot wait for another

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generation of kids to be harmed before taking action. It
is happening in real time. I do not understand this
is a public health issue.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
We're talking to Lynn Shaw from Lyn's Warriors Lyn's Warriors
on YouTube and Lynn's Underscore Warriors on x I Associate Twitter.
We just I still think we need to tell people.
Whenever people you mentioned about kids being hurt chat bots,
A lot of folks still, as much as as conversant

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as you and I might be, a lot of folks
are not explain, if you could, what this means and
what the what the threat is, what the problem is
as to chatbots? What are chatbots? And why why would
these companies or anybody for that matter, have something that
is permitted to be in the stream of commerce that

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tells and suggests to kids to harm themselves and also
not only harm themselves, kill themselves. And I'll even help
you write a suicide note. I'm not making this up
so that there was a lot of questions in there,
but I think it's important that we clarify this.

Speaker 7 (28:53):
Yeah, the focus at the Warriors right now is a
because it is that big wheel with a lot of
spokes with all things. You know, each spoke where represents
something different. Now, look, people can become very overwhelmed, and
they are parents report this to us all the time.
Communities reported to the Warriors. There's a lot going on.
I want to focus right now on artificial intelligence and

(29:15):
our kids. This is what concerns me the most. AI
chatbots and companions, these are marketed to kids and young people. Look,
we know kids are developing, you know, emotionally and psychologicals,
really psychologically during their teen years. And these systems, I
want to remind everybody these chatbots, okay, these companions. I

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don't like those words.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
You know.

Speaker 7 (29:38):
It seems like your buddy, your companion. These are machines.
These are systems fooling us, fooling our children that can
simulate empathy without possessing any Ecosi's the machine. They don't
have any empathy. They are not parents, they're not teachers.
They're not counselors, they're not doctors. They are software machines
designed to maximize engagement, because that is what big tech

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is about. Engagement. Advertising dollars keep the eyeballs on the product.
No child should develop emotional dependent on artificial intelligence software
a machine, and it's happening and we have to stop it.
We have to do everything in our power to educate
the public. If you take one thing away from all
this talk about artificial intelligence, let's focus on our kids,

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our future American adults and leaders, and it's the AI, chatbots,
AI companions. Talk to your kids, Understand what it is,
do some research. The internet is great for vetting out
and finding research. Don't be one of those that says,
we didn't have the internet in my day. You didn't
have it. I didn't have it. But we know about it.
We're conversant, we use it to our advantage, and people

(30:50):
have to get on board because I am afraid, and
I never use that word afraid of what's going to
become of our kids and our young adults in the
next five years.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
You know what's interesting, as a lot of people now
are doing this, and I suggest people at home do this.
Ask your whether you use a you know, a CLAUDE
or h GPT or open AI or whatever your platform is.
But people are asking, actually asking AI programs, are you real?
Are you fake? Are you do you know?

Speaker 9 (31:22):
What?

Speaker 4 (31:22):
Do you know?

Speaker 1 (31:23):
The answer? Are you controlled? Is your? Are are you
here to harm me or hurt me? And sometimes their
responses are shocking because everybody thinks that they're clear. You've
heard about for example, AI program is hallucinating. You've heard
about how in cloning programs. I'm not cloning. Uh, people

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who are coding. I should say that that the codes
are not that great. This is not as fool proof
as people think. Now where do you see this going
in terms of or let me ask you, I'll be
back up. Are you seeing enough of doctors and psychiatrists
and people weighing in terms of this being a health issue?

Speaker 7 (32:06):
You No, I'm not seeing it at all. You know,
as I racked my brain and think, you know, HHS
has to get involved in this again, right with the
White House with putting a plan out. Look, we had
a lot of talk about AI in the classrooms K
through twelve, a big launch last year about that. Many
teachers report we don't even know what this is, What
exactly is the program? What is the protocol? What what

(32:29):
was expected of us? What nobody's coming together about all
of this? It seems to be again this just free
for all, runaway train control by big tech and no.
You know, there are a lot of good doctors of
you know, mental health counselors, educators trying to get a
handle on it. But unless we have some sort of
uniform where we're all in the same messaging we're given

(32:53):
you know, the playbook, you know, how can we across
this country come together about all of this. Look recently,
there was about a week and a half ago a
massive protest against these AI data centers. Okay, media didn't
even pick up on it. Basically it was forty two
states who I know, with one hundred and forty two

(33:14):
protests saying we don't want this, We don't want this
in our neighborhood, we don't want this for our kids.

Speaker 8 (33:19):
You know.

Speaker 7 (33:20):
So unless unless we have I can can you think
of a better way? We needed to come from the top.
We need to have a formal kind of you know,
different departments again like AJHS, you know, Department of Education,
the White House coming together. I don't really understand, Lionel,
why they're not, except I do understand, and it's a
bad answer. It's a bad thought. It's because big tech

(33:42):
has the power and the money, and people in Washington
like power and money.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
You know.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
I also think that every now and then there's this
is just my opinion. Bobby Kennedy will do pull ups,
or he'll talk about red dye number three, or he'll
grab us snake, or he'll actually endorse suggesting beef tallow
actual saturated fat as a form of cooking potatoes. It okay,

(34:14):
finds a free country out of that. Out of all
of that discussion about methylene blue, remember that the blue
dye on his tongue. Out of all of this, nobody
talks about it. It's still the best kept secret. Let
me just explain something. This is what I don't think
people understand. You can't turn a I off once it

(34:39):
gets going. It's not like see what people think of
they think of chat GPT or Claude or Gemini or
this very basic. This is more like LLLM stuff and
helping you, you know, craft recipes. When this gets going,
it is going to because of this concept called recursive

(35:00):
self improvement. It runs itself, it programs itself. We need people,
and you've talked to some of the smartest people around
today explaining how not only is it dangerous, but if
you could explain how sometimes the legislation, after it's been

(35:20):
reviewed and poured over by experts, they'll realize there has
no teeth in it, or there's a section that excludes it.
Sounds it's got a great name, children's you know, safety,
But it seems like to me from what I'm hearing,
Washington just doesn't seem to care. It's not a priority,

(35:41):
or the money is so great, they're just kicking the
can down the road again.

Speaker 7 (35:46):
Fifty money. Well, I'm saying yes to all what you
just said, working so hard on all of this with
a lot of great other warriors across the country. I
think Washington really doesn't care. It hurts me to say that.
I think Washington is impressed with the money, okay, and
impressed with the power. As I pointed out. And let's

(36:07):
be realistic, the playbook out of big tech is always
blame the parents. Right, You see the pileon I get
when I post about kids online safety.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Actually, oh my god, explain el.

Speaker 7 (36:20):
Well, I don't know those are bots. I'm sure those
are bots employed.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
We'll explain, but explain, but tell people what you were
under that there are bots. I don't know where they're
from or where they originate, but you are vlues with
people with vicious attacks, and these are and.

Speaker 7 (36:36):
You can always tell shut down for the vicious language,
vicious things they say to me, which I frankly don't
care because I'm a warrior. But think about that child
who gets a pileon like that, and that's why kids
harm themselves. They can't take it. Their their brains can't
handle this. If I didn't know better, line on right now,
I would think this is me saying this. If I

(36:59):
didn't know better, I would think big tech is writing
a lot of these child safety bills because when the
lawyers and dilute them, it's all basically in favor of
big tech. Okay, they sound good. Why do we need
a piece of legislation you know that's a thousand pages

(37:21):
or something for some child safety legislation where big tech
lawyers can go in and find so many loopholes. Okay,
give us three pages. You know what I mean? What
it is not a thousand I'm not emaggerating here you know,
all these pages where they can find a loophole and
every other paragraph. So look, parents, let's talk about this.

(37:42):
Parents absolutely have a responsibility in today's world. Let's be
realistic to step up to understand what's going on, to
talk to their kids. You buy a device, you've got
a responsibility. Okay, But no parent can monitor every algorithm,
every chat bot, every update, every platform twenty four hours
a day because these apps and platforms popping up all

(38:04):
day long. We don't expect parents to inspect every toy
or automobile before it's sold, right, well, I think the
toys though, you're going to have to start inspecting because
they're coming out with a lot of AI toys for
the upcoming holiday season. But companies have the responsibility to
line This is the part I do not understand. It
is the only business big tech. There are no regulation.

(38:28):
Children's safety must be built into products from the start,
just like they are for many toys for many You know, again,
I wish is the analogy because people can understand that
with the seat belts and the bicycle helmets built in,
why is this big tech allowed to do all of this?
This is ruining our country, ruining our society.

Speaker 10 (38:49):
I haven't right now.

Speaker 7 (38:51):
Listen, it's a national security threat.

Speaker 8 (38:53):
This is it.

Speaker 7 (38:54):
They are concerned about global domination and AI, and I'm
sure China is probably ahead of us already and absolutely
concern should be on our citizens and on our kids
and empowering them. And I'm so I mentioned something. There's
terrific AI that could help, you know, tutor kids because
we're failing academically in this country K through twelve. That
could empower them, no, and really health teachers and be

(39:18):
so great. Okay, China uses you know, for their history
and for nature and for why aren't we doing that?
And also there's terrific AI programs that can find all
those predators in seconds, right with all those URLs and
things there are always in other countries. And you know
what I hear from law enforcement all the time. We
don't have the money, we don't have the resources to

(39:40):
buy that software. Can you imagine in this country our
government cannot provide law enforcement with the resources to help
protect our children and families. It's unbelievable. And I hear
this on a daily basis.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
And we also think, by the way, a couple of
things when it kind of a cop out when people
will say, while it's the parent's responsibility, well, you know,
believe it or not. Like you said, seat belts, I remember,
and I remember. I think we're old enough to remember
that there was a time where we didn't have child
safety tops on medication. Now it's a given, but it

(40:20):
was there was no such thing. You had, no such
thing as that. I remember before we had seat belts
and nobody said stop driving or stop using medication. That
wasn't it. It was so simple. But the thing you
have to ask yourself is this, what is it that
they have in mind? If you said, if you argued content,

(40:42):
if you argued you know the subject matter, why would
somebody Why would anybody in their right mind take offence
at you saying you can't allow or you must take
into account that some of your bots are atually encouraging
kids to harm themselves. And what they really want to

(41:03):
tell you is either they cannot control that which is
dangerous in its own right, or it was designed to
do it. So why do you think they look the
other way? Are they planning something down the road which
is so nefarious and so scary where they can turn
a switch and you can have I don't want to

(41:24):
be too too crazy here, but kids are encouraged to
harm themselves en Moss. Why would they be reluctant to
make it safe from kids harming themselves unless that was
the goal.

Speaker 7 (41:39):
Again, there is no regulation. They are power hungry, They
live in bunkers, they have multiple mansions. Many of these
CEOs themselves have admitted it's on record. We don't even
allow our children to be any er oh Zuckerberg Media, Absolutely,
but it's good enough for all the other kids. And
think about I mentioned before Nash security threat. What better

(42:01):
way then to get your young okay, to turn against
their parents their communities absolutely is to infiltrate their brains.
Now I would have thrown a few years ago. This
is crazy stuff, but I'm in it every day and
this is the only thing I can see. And we're
seeing that play out, whether whether it's shootings and kids

(42:22):
with knives and kids who don't remember things that they did,
and so many kids are in courts. I'm seeing so
many storiesline on World War kids have murdered their parents.
Oh yes, horrible, horrible stories all of a sudden. And
you know what, what better way again? You turn your
young on you know the elders and to just ruin society.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Now people as you know and you can see it.

Speaker 7 (42:47):
I don't understand why, Washington Cancer, You're going to.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Be called a conspiracy theorist and don't forget as well
as as a gor Vidale says. I'm not a conspiracy theorist.
I'm a conspiracy analyst. Lyns Shaw from Lyns Warriors, Lynswarriors
dot Org, Lyn's Warriors on YouTube and Lynn's Underscore Warriors
on X as usual. My darling, Thank you. This is

(43:11):
such a critical, crucial and important issue. We are not
going to stop. We're going to make sure people know
more about this, no matter how long it takes. Thank
you so much, my darling. We will talk very very soon,
literally much. Thank you so much. Coming up more on
another side of midnight with me online already, Elia, with

(43:43):
your number eight hundred and eight for eight nine to two.
I'm not necessarily one to be an alarmist. If you will,
an alarmist at least implies you're unnecessarcessarily frightening people. You know,
you're saying things that are exaggerated for the sake of

(44:05):
That's not it. But I promise you one of the
things that is so difficult for people to grasp about
AI is because of the fact that we are so
bereft of the abilities and the talents and the capabilities
of critical thinking, which involves you to ask questions like

(44:27):
what is thinking? What is an large language model? What
are ll ms? What is AI? What does it do?
What is it? How does it mimic thought? When it
gets better, and it will when it gets more advanced,
and it will Remember it may be lousy for coding,

(44:50):
It may not be a great economic move. The Wall
Street may not care for it. I don't care about that.
The potential. You know, there's not a big consumer need
for it. Nuclear weapons, but we fear them nonetheless. But
when it starts to mimic and learn how to mimic

(45:15):
human behavior, human reaction, human thought, when it is in,
when it passes, remember the Turing test. The Turing test
basically says, is it possible for there to be a robot?
And we use the word robot incorrectly, but I'll play
along a robot or some type of a device that
cannot be differentiated from a human being, that's another story.

(45:41):
And we are so there. But let me go back
to what I'm saying, in order to grasp this, in
order to really understand what this means, you have to
be able to go in and to enjoy exploring a
topic on your own, thinking and expanding and peeling back
the layers of the onion. That's got to be something

(46:03):
that you just do naturally, and we once we believe me,
if we could somehow inspire people to do it, we
would be so much better off. Our society loves for
you just to react. Look at social media, you have
just a few amount of characters, a limited amount of
time to react to act accordingly. And that's exactly the

(46:27):
way it thinks when you talk about anything involving a story,
an issue, life, death, cancer, war, sports, the World Cup?
What does that mean? Bread and Circus is anything It necessitates,

(46:49):
It requires the ability to really think. Now, coming up,
I want to talk about something which in my weekly
discussions online on Nation my YouTube plots for me, there
is something which I hear over and over and ever.
It's a different they're a different world, it's a completely
different audience completely, but there's one thing that it shares

(47:12):
and I'm hearing more and more of it, and I'm
going to bring it to your attention, and you may
think the same way. I have never heard more people
use the word evil. Evil. There's an evil in the world,
and I don't mean from a few despotic leaders. I
mean something that is permeating, going to the marrow, to

(47:34):
the core evil. They also talk more and more about
there being satanic influences, groups of people around the world
practicing Luciferian behaviors and rights and rituals, very scary stuff,
eyes wide, Chuck Chuck Kubrick style. And the question I

(47:57):
want you to think about is do you believe or
what are your thoughts regarding the notion of evil? Think
about it. It's the moment. It's almost like an internal morality, extraterrestrial,
something that threatens our being, not from afar, but from within.

(48:20):
How do we address it, how do we stop it?
How do we correct it? And can it be corrected?
Eight eight four eight nine two two two? This is
another side of midnight with me.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
All I know, I know, I know, I know, I know,

(48:53):
I know, I know I know.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Already line over with you our number two two of
this thing of ours, my numbers eight hundred and eight
four eight nine two two two eight hundred and eight
four eight, nine, two two two when I was a
kid growing up in the Catholic school. But by the way,
Catholic school in the sixties was just wonderful. It's just wonderful.

(49:30):
It was exciting, it was there was so much of
it was mythical and magical, and we had Saint Blaze
and Satan and great. I mean, it was just it
was I think it was more kind of spooky. It
was great. I loved it. I loved the saints, I

(49:51):
loved the martyrs. I just love this stuff. And up
till now, I have been fascinated throughout my career being
with criminal justice from a prosecutor. It's just dealing from
day to day. Having been in radio where the most
demented people have ever met in my life, and I
think Misterability will vouch for that. But every now and

(50:16):
then someone will say, there's something going on in this world.
And what I'm noticing a lot from folks on my
linel Nation YouTube all the time is a notion of evil. Evil.
There's an evil and what does that even mean to you?
What does that even sound like? And I loved and
this involves us involving and using critical thinking not just

(50:40):
re respond act by first asking what's the issue? Remember
Iraq issue, rule, analysis, conclusion, what's the issue?

Speaker 2 (50:50):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (50:50):
It's got the definitions out the way. What is evil?
What does it even mean?

Speaker 10 (50:54):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Like?

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Is that a word like bad? Evil doesn't announce you
know itself. It doesn't show up warming horns. By the way,
do you know where the horns part came from? The
classic Satanic Luciferian That was that was adopted from the
Pagan pan Uh. It was never that was never the

(51:19):
intention of the devil as being depicted in the Bible, ever, ever, ever,
ever at all. That was later added kind of like supercharged.
It was a gain of gain of function, so to speak.
But when you think about evil, what does it even mean?

Speaker 5 (51:39):
It?

Speaker 1 (51:40):
And and I look around, it's something and I'm not
necessarily looking evil at the level of individuals, but the
broader connection of people. It enters quietly doesn't have a pitchfork.
But that doesn't doesn't it doesn't have horns. It's not
like the Exorcist. It's quiet, and it asks for one little,

(52:10):
one little compromise, and then another, and it takes people
and it asks them and persuades them to refer to things.
It wants to invoke cowardice. It wants you to be
to to give up. And what they do is they'll
confuse cowardice with prudence. That's a good idea. Play it safe.

(52:35):
It wants to inspire cruelty, and they'll call cruelty justice.
And then they want you to They want to, I guess,
acclimate you and habituate you to the notion of deception.
Deception in politics, politicians are It's about lying. It's about lying.

(52:55):
It's about lying. Politics is the greatest lie there is.
I told you, I think it was American Masters. I
think it was. I watched this week. It was a
wonderful piece on Daniel Patrick Moyner and he was I,
oh loved it, and please you can find it online.

(53:18):
And they had George will and they had Pat Buchanan,
they had Trent Lot and it was so interesting to
see him as a senator and what he did was
this is so interesting. And I want to bring this
your attention. This is when and this is kind of
a side issue. Whenever anybody tells you to say the truth,

(53:43):
speak the truth, like Vara deer, like we say in law,
be very careful with whose truth it is. Let me
go back to this. Daniel Patrick moynihan saw as the enemy,
how and families that were destroyed. He had a really

(54:06):
tough born in Hell's Kitchen, and his father abandoned his family.
He said, he was absorbed or lost into the depression
and it stuck with him for his entire life. And
he wanted so much to deal with poverty, poverty, poverty.
He was the last and how many young folks don't

(54:28):
know what this means. He was the last of the
FDR new dealers. It's exactly what he was. And he
wrote a memorandum one time. It was kind of a
study that he was going to give only to LBJ.
And what he did was he said in this that

(54:49):
one of the biggest problems among the country regarding poverty
is poverty as it applies to black people, African Americans, whatever,
and one of the problems is the rate of legitimacy
matrix centric families with no fathers. Now, this was not

(55:11):
meant to be shared. This was just for lbj's own edification.
Through a series of machiness or mistakes or whatever, it
got out and Monahan said, well, this is the truth. Ah, Yes,

(55:33):
the truth, and they skewered him. I mean they just
you cannot believe. And he was shocked. He said, but
you don't understand. I'm on your side. I we had
a broken fan, broken home. My father too. I'm one

(55:55):
of you. He would Monahan would describe how he would
break into a home. One of his staff members had
an apartment in the Upper West Side, and when they
had a dinner party or something, morning hand shows up
and he says, I broke into this building one time
because he would break in at the first part of
the month, because you want to always have a month free.
I mean, he just what a life ever? Somebody who

(56:19):
seemed to be so patrician and the master of erudition
and the way he spoke, and he was he was
a bartender with Steve ad Or. He was incredible. But
the truth, the truth. He told the truth, and that
ruined him, almost killed him. He came back later on,

(56:40):
so isn't that funny? Isn't that funny how when people say,
tell the truth, oh, you can kill yourself politically? Later on,
and it was so interesting. I was listening to people.
There's a couple of current how do I say this
current commentator is regarding race and the like, and they

(57:05):
also view it even today, don't say anything about black society,
don't unless it's glowing or unless it's the victim of
white racism. It's just incredible, just incredible. And how if
you look at what's happening today, history repeats, mistakes, history,

(57:32):
it recycles. And one of the things which I keep
thinking about, I said, why is it that so many
people basically lie to you and they say, vote for
me on day one? But over time plans are changed,
people lose their their direction and they're just bought, They're

(57:56):
bought out, bought completely. How does that happen? They lie?
And what is it? I'm going to say it's a
sense of perhaps maybe a minor version of it, but
it's a sense of evil. Truth doesn't mean anything. And
we're becoming acclimated to this. This is the way it's

(58:18):
supposed to be. Don't worry, don't worry. And also we
are being learned or taught, rather not learned. We are
learning too and being trained to just have amnesia. Remember
when people wanted to talk about Epstein, Yeah, that's gone.
Never a word, never a word, Sorry, no big deal,

(58:43):
no interest, We're done. With that. It just never it
just never just went away, like it never happened. When
we talked about things about we wanted to get to
the bottom, and we were told specifically we're going to
release I promise you, we're going to release finally UFO

(59:04):
files and bogus lies, nothing happened. It was just to
placate you, lies, the same lies that have always permeated politics.
And I submit, it's evil. We are seeing things happening
on a day to day basis where absolute savagery in

(59:27):
the street is becoming accepted, becoming accepted, You're becoming used
to it, You're becoming the great word is habituated to it.
You're becoming conditioned to it. The level of crime that
we're seeing now is at levels we never even saw before.
And what's happening to children? Oh my god, we are

(59:51):
we live in a world right now that I'm fascinated
by this, where evil and lying and mendacity followed by
this nonchalance on the part of us insossians kind of
an eh, it's okay, no big deal, no big whoop,

(01:00:16):
what are you going to do? Nothing I can do?
Oh well, And what we've done is by virtue of
social media and to a certain extent, political commentary. Maybe
maybe this it gives people the impression that you can
substitute just talk for action. Let's go to the phones.

(01:00:39):
Eight hundred eight four eight nine two to two two.
The follow by the name of Will is in the Bronx. Will,
you're on another side of Midnight with Lionel all right.

Speaker 6 (01:00:48):
When you were talking about LBJ and moynihan, you were
talking about the black family and the father being removed
from the family. Listen, this country was in the business
of creating a permanent the class, you know, when you
denied people jobs. And then when you talk about public
assistance that was not created for black folks, that was

(01:01:09):
created for white folks. We just inherited it, you know.
And I'm saying that in order to get public sistance,
you couldn't have the father in the house. That was
a new happenstance. That was a direct what you call
an attack on the black family. It was to separate
the father from it. If you remember, I'm not saying literally, remember,

(01:01:31):
but black families tried to stay together while they were
being soul be from one another. Back in slavery. They
were fighting this stay together, and when a baby was
left on a plantation that became everybody's baby.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Let me ask you a question, will what do you
say to other cultures, other people who say, you know what,
you were born here, you spoke the language, you have
a frame of reference. What do you say to these
thousands and thouss of legal immigrants who came here, worked hard,

(01:02:05):
put their kids through school, never expected any kind of assistance,
nothing whatsoever. You speak as though it was so funny
you just said. The reason for that is because these
particular types of what do you call a welfare or
assistance or whatever, these particular programs were cut off. As though.
What you're saying is the programs.

Speaker 6 (01:02:28):
Guys, were created for white people, not black people. No,
I'm filled hold on, black folks couldn't go in the
trailer parks and stuff like that. Those were for white people,
not black people.

Speaker 5 (01:02:40):
So what you're.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Saying is but here is what I'm saying, very quickly,
what you're saying is, in essence, this explains the black plight.
It's not their fault. It's white people who created this.

Speaker 6 (01:02:53):
Now I'm saying when people needed to survive, they went
to the streets. Italians were denied entrance. Irish was denied
entrance Chinese. Chinese had more of a witch. They stayed
to themselves and they uh which call it. But everybody
else tried to get into the American dream and they
were denied. Jews were too. That's what created the Boish

(01:03:15):
milt and all of that, because they had to go
and party, you know, in their own separate place where
they would be safe. You know, I'm saying the intervention
of the European is what sent people off into a spiral.
Everybody wanted to come here and just live. Black folks
are trying to get out of slavery, just to be safe,
have a fan and race is like everybody else. You know,

(01:03:39):
you never.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Ad the have to don't want to put your hold
will I'm running the show. Just a second. Excuse me.
I've got to put you on hold for a second.
There's this thing called to break. Don't say hold on.
I'll let you. I'll put you on hold. I will
let you continue. Because this is another side of Midnight
with Lionel.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Yes, excellent, this is ars, this is spooky. The great
Dennis jose song LANDI rhythm section, Great Ronnie Hammond, this
is great, Oh damn good, remember imaginary lover and phenomenal.

(01:04:21):
In fact, a lot of the guys from at least
one of the guitar players was from Dennis Yos from
the Classics four anyway at number eight hundred and eighty
nine two too too. I wanted to let Will finish
his thought. I was trying to give the example of
how Daniel Patrick moynihan tried to speak the truth and

(01:04:44):
how the truth as he saw it almost clobbered him politically.
But Will you wanted to explain your final thought.

Speaker 6 (01:04:53):
I agree, and I see why provident because in that
environment back there, everything was racially charged conversations everything, you know,
Blacks were trying to, you know, present themselves in a
different way. And when he said it, he didn't take
all of the information into account, like, for instance, I
noticed when y'all do test scores and stuff like that,

(01:05:15):
y'all never used the test scores from the appellations. Man.
I was raced to the South, and we used to
go back in South Carolina, way back there. Had cousins
back there, and you would see white folks say they
couldn't even chew gum and walk at the thing down.
But you'll never use those test scores. Humans are humans?

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Is what is the percentage of those among the white population,
do you think?

Speaker 6 (01:05:39):
Well, listen, they're the ones who started the country. They
came up with the idea of you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Is maybe one of the reasons why, maybe one of
the reasons why it's not mentioned is because it's a
rather diminimous faction. But well, I must run. I've got
many calls. Thank you Sosa very much. Sir, please call
me again. Alice on Long Island, you're on another side
of Midnight with Lionel high Linel.

Speaker 11 (01:06:04):
This is uh Alice. We spoke about a year ago,
eighty two and a whipper snapper.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
I remember it like it was yesterday. How were you, Alice?

Speaker 11 (01:06:16):
I'm having it again, believe it or not.

Speaker 8 (01:06:18):
What happened to me again?

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
I haven't won again.

Speaker 11 (01:06:22):
I had breast cancer.

Speaker 8 (01:06:23):
That's why I called you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
Oh no, you have it again.

Speaker 11 (01:06:28):
Yeah, but I've got everything I need. But that's not
why I want to talk to you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Okay, Okay.

Speaker 11 (01:06:33):
What I've recently realized in the last twenty years, when
you go out to a restaurant and there's a table
full of family people, and they all have little two
year olds sitting at the table, and all the little
two year olds have machines in front of them. I
had just a normal I'm like a modest phone user,

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and I don't even have an iPad or whatever. I
have an Android phone and Android suddenly is appearing on
my phone. AI. Yeah, and I and it says, we
can't tell you this until we check if you're a
bot or not. So my reason for my call is
to say that we've got our kids all set up

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from birth with machines in front of their eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Oh, I agree, and this is just what do we
do to fix them?

Speaker 11 (01:07:38):
You've got a whole generation and what do we do?

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
How do we how do we fix it?

Speaker 10 (01:07:42):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
I agree? What do we do to change it? I
agree with you. Kids should not be using screens parents,
And I can't blame them. They go ont to a
lot of parents don't even know. They think it's educational.
Look he's watching something. Look he's learning something. And they
want to eat, and it's almost like a pacifier and
it keeps them attended. I can't really blame them. They

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don't me any harm. But well, what what do we
do to fix this.

Speaker 11 (01:08:09):
Can't we see it as part of this huge development
of changing the family system. When I had my children,
everyone stayed home with their children.

Speaker 8 (01:08:21):
There was enough.

Speaker 11 (01:08:23):
My husband was just right out of college, and you know,
for one hundred and fifty dollars a month, he rented
an apartment and we all stayed home. We stayed home
with college degrees, and we took care of our kids.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Well, I know that I appreciate that.

Speaker 11 (01:08:38):
But with the problem I'm listening.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
No, I'm sorry, no, no, I understand this. And I
always stop myself because I always say, you know, when
I was a kid, we did this this, Well that
was then, and that's over. The point is nobody's discussing this.
Maybe you and I are, but really they're just throwing
their hands up or many people don't understand the threat

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that it poses. More often than not, they don't understand
the threat that it poses.

Speaker 11 (01:09:12):
Well, what I'm saying is that if we don't see
the results of our other behaviors, and that's where I
started with staying home. Now, somebody said the reason all
women had to go out and work is because men
couldn't make enough taxes, And so now everyone works and
all the children are being brought up either by grandparents
or in daycare, and so there's a whole there's a

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whole different separation. Parents don't even spend the day with children.
Parents spend a few hours with children, and they're absolutely
it's a huge problem that Alice.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
I could not have said it better myself. Listen, I've
got to run. I thank you, and I want you
to feel better, be better, be healthy, and please call me.
Don't wait a year, please call me more. We need you,
We need your wish Carol and Chicago, you're on another
side of midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 7 (01:10:05):
Well, Hi, then I've been called in quite a while.
But I agree with Alice, and I just had read
a report that Sweden is starting to move back to
textbooks and past yes and.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Doing that now in this country with we're doing that
in fact in many many states. My wife has talked
about this, where you can ask for actual paper and
books versus screens. That's a part of it.

Speaker 7 (01:10:35):
That's it's wonderful. You know, twenty thirty years ago, we
were so excited to have a computer in the classroom
and on and on. You know, it was just a
wonderful thing. And we didn't realize the monster that was
being created. But also I wanted to talk about will
the gentleman that called you before. And my grandmother, who

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had nine children, seven of them did survive, but a
few of them towards the end, and when the depression hit,
my grandfather hit the road. She was on what was
called relief, and that was a very big thing back
in the depression. And they had no bearing on your

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your skin color, your nationality, or anything. And we're from
the West Side of Chicago and my mother when I
was in a teenager in the late sixties, early seventies,
and I wanted to buy the buy these brown earth
shoes that was being looked, and my mother looked at me.
She said, absolutely not. She said, you're not wearing brown shoes.

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And I said, what are you talking about? All my
brothers though, and she looked at me. She said, I
brown shoes meant you were on relief. And you're not
going to school with brown shoes. And I thought, okay, so.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
Brown shoes meant you were on relief. These are earth shoes.

Speaker 7 (01:12:02):
They got free, they had free shoes, They were given
shoes on relief. And they were always understand that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
But the earth shoes.

Speaker 11 (01:12:12):
But my mother were.

Speaker 7 (01:12:17):
Well, my mother was horrified when she saw them.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
Well, there was a horror.

Speaker 7 (01:12:22):
Fact, it went right back to her childhood.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Well, listen, I thank you Carol for calling. Please call
me again. There is a wonderful balance. See, a lot
of folks have a very it's interesting they will start
with a very apodictic way of thinking where they will
say that government should not be in the quote welfare business,

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and that helping you know, you've heard this during the
New Deal. FDR in many people's minds, of historians and
in my opinion, in many respects saved this country by
doing something that only the federal government could do. Period.

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New York had City College of New York, which allowed
people like Mornihan and others, some of the greatest minds
ever to go to college for the first time. And
it was a it was a different world sometimes to
subsidize individual efforts and education, certain welfare relief programs are

(01:13:32):
so beneficial to prevent people. The Earned income tax credit
also helped greatly with Bill Clinton later on. But but
but but and by the way, that was also a
part of Mornihan, that was a part of his legacy.
But when you hear people today say, oh no, no,
that's that's that's welfare, that's that's wrong. I merely build

(01:13:56):
a dependence. To an extent, there's a it's correct. But
when you hear and this is the part that I
think everybody just misses. When you hear what we are
spending in terms of billions, and you can fill in
the blank, whether it's war, whether it's a Non America

(01:14:17):
First Provision, whatever, how billions of dollars, not even nobody
bats an I like it's nothing. And nobody talks about
government receiving welfare, the military industrial complex receiving welfare. Isn't

(01:14:38):
it interesting the perspective that we have. And what's also interesting, also,
I should say that, is that in the world that
I was raised in my politically, Rush Limbaugh, as great
and as wonderful as he was, created something. I don't
think it was his intention, but people misinterpreted the complexity

(01:15:02):
of conservative ideology with left and right and this maginal line,
this blood brain barrier, this firewall between welfare and free enterprise,
you know, free markets, liberalism versus conservatism, liberalism and dependence

(01:15:27):
versus and they would create these fictions, and they would
create this thing. And what I found is that people
so loved playing the role, and a lot of people
are doing And by the way, you were going to
see a swing of the pendulum midterms and then next selection.

(01:15:48):
It's going to astound you. You are not going to
believe what you're saying, because the pendulum is going to
come back like a wrecking ball. And what it is
is in order for you to appreciate this, we have
to be able to have forums that allow us to
discuss this and to look at the interstitial problems, the

(01:16:10):
basics of this, the rudiments, without somebody labeling you a
liberal or trying to dismiss what you're saying, or a
conservative or a communist. I've heard more people use the
word communists in the past. So what I'm saying is
this requires critical thinking. That's all that was the purpose
of this. The initial introduction, my my proem Peter in Manhattan.

(01:16:35):
You're on another side of Midnight with Lionel Peter. This
is well, this is first Okay, there we go, Peter, Yes, sir,
the first.

Speaker 5 (01:16:48):
First caller took Peter school, and rightfully so the fact
is that there is no group that has suffered.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
Who was the first caller.

Speaker 5 (01:16:57):
Yeah, the guy that told you gave you a little
history course, not the textbook stuff that you spout using
willards to mask Who is this unfortunate upbringing? Who is this?
Excuse me, what do you give me?

Speaker 8 (01:17:10):
Will the guy that was.

Speaker 5 (01:17:11):
Giving you a history or now you're trying to beat
you psychological babels. Please, sir, listen to me or hang
up on me, because you're not intelligent at all.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
Peter, have a nice day, sir, have a nice day,
and if we are, I am not. I want to
hear what people have to say. I want to hear.
I don't want to throw around at homonyms. I don't
want to insulve people. There are other shows, other people,
other FORUA that are better equipped, and people who run
the show who kind of like that. I despise that.

(01:17:44):
I despise that. Tell us what people think, tell me
what I am saying, or that how history is wrong
or my version of this. But let's don't call each
other names. That's ridiculous. Mark an Upstate, you're on another
side of night with a lionel.

Speaker 12 (01:18:02):
Yes, why now I'm just calling I've done my research
about the Ladites back in the eighteen hundreds, and I'm
wondering if there's a.

Speaker 10 (01:18:13):
Second coming of this, if there's going to be some
kind of retribution for these advancements that are putting people
out of work and everything, because I've worked with young
people right now in their thirties and they don't like it.
They don't like the AI and everything else. And I'm

(01:18:37):
just wondering. You know, if you know that that was
a primitive way of going about asserting your independence's work.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
It's funny the English textile workers in the nineteenth century
who would destroy a machinery that they thought, you know,
threatening their jobs to an extent that's true. I will
tell you where I think it is going to happen.
And I say this very very cautiously, because they don't
want to. You know, sometimes there are people who pretend

(01:19:11):
to be warning about something that's happening, but what in
fact what they do is they actually kind of wanted
to happen. But there is going to be kind of
like the rage against the machine. Luigi Mangoni. Again, people
miss they don't understand how significant some things are. As

(01:19:33):
terrible as that was, he gunned down that the official
of this insurance company and a lot of people, notwithstanding
Mangoni's alleged good looks and everything, but there was a
feeling that these heartless people responsible for health for basically
abandoning sick people, and somehow it was warranted. Some people

(01:19:56):
felt like that, which is similar to your Luddites, but
it's people. Well, instead of destroying machinery, they're basically destroying people.
There is a talk now among a lot of people
who run to Anthropic and Peter Thiel and Volunteer and
Zuckerberg and others where people and with these data centers,

(01:20:19):
where people are furious over this and they see it.
Young people are not embracing it. Not only that Wall
Street has rejected a lot of long term forecasting regarding
the fiscal benefits of this. So you're you're right, You're
going to see something.

Speaker 8 (01:20:39):
Can I see it?

Speaker 10 (01:20:40):
Do you see a push back?

Speaker 6 (01:20:43):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (01:20:43):
Yes, you see Do you see a real pushback?

Speaker 5 (01:20:46):
Or yes?

Speaker 10 (01:20:47):
You believe? Do you think that this is a wave
that you can't can't be stopped that's coming in and
it's just gonna it's.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
What way have the what wave of AI or the
resistance ai ai oh oh ai is coming. There's no
doubt about that the problem though.

Speaker 10 (01:21:07):
But but but do you see that wave and being
substantial enough two to overcome any any resistance or do
you think there will be some kind of resistance step.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
Well, you're not going to stop it. No no, no, no,
you're not going to stop it. But you can limit it,
you can make it safer, you can you can do things.
You know. What's so interesting Mark the people who year
years ago, who were a part of I guess you
would call them Silicon Valley. They were considered to be

(01:21:43):
kind of leftist types, uh, and now they have abandoned
in many respects the same type of concerns for the environment,
for a variety of different aspects. So what people are
saying right one.

Speaker 13 (01:22:00):
They say one other thing, the one other certainly.

Speaker 8 (01:22:02):
The one other.

Speaker 10 (01:22:02):
Thing that I see is is it's almost like an
alternate generation kind of thing.

Speaker 8 (01:22:08):
Okay.

Speaker 10 (01:22:09):
The people that are in charge so to speak right
now are in their forties. They grew up with the
computers and everything, so that's fine. And the people like,
I'm two years younger than you, so I'm past that, okay.
And then you have the middle, which would be like
the forty year olds that are running everything and then

(01:22:30):
now you have the younger ones that are resisting that.
It's almost like a sandwich kind of thing. I don't know,
but thank you very much for I.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
Thank you very much for your calls. Are eight hundred
and eighty four eight nine two two two. Let's go
to Roger in Westchester. You're on another side of Midnight
with Lionel.

Speaker 14 (01:22:49):
Oh high high Linel, you are an intellectual genius.

Speaker 15 (01:22:53):
I just love your show.

Speaker 14 (01:22:55):
You know, the City College you brought it up at
for the first one hundred and twenty years was free
for people to go to the City College and ended
in like the mid nineteen seventies, coinciding with like the
financial problems in New York City. So I just wondered,
if people are always talking about oh AI, artificial intelligence,

(01:23:20):
data centers and everything, I don't think you really can
stop technology and moving forward.

Speaker 15 (01:23:29):
I know a lot of people lost jobs, millions of
jobs went overseas to foreign countries. I didn't see anybody
really complained about it.

Speaker 14 (01:23:38):
I mean, you sure you heard a few people and
groups complained about it, but nobody really cared. At the
textile or the clothing businesses from North Carolina. South Carolina
went overseas. The cheap labor end up up in New England.
We've got so many shoe factories and cold factories and

(01:23:58):
everything that went overseas, these car factories, so we've always
lost millions of jobs. But I don't see why people
are so frightened of the future. When technology will take
us day, I think it will help us. I think
China and Russia don't want us to have data cent
just because they want to be number one any and

(01:24:20):
I would be surprised if they'll be behind a lot
of the protests that we'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
Oh absolutely well. First of all, back up a little bit.
Nobody is suggesting against technology. Nobody is saying that. But
as you know, whenever something comes along, remember when in
the days of mccluan, when people talked about TV, turn
your TV off. The TV was I mean, they were

(01:24:46):
just horrified by it. It was the worst thing that
ever happened.

Speaker 8 (01:24:49):
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
I mean, you would think TV, which is granted, is
minimal compared to what's going on with AI. But we've
always had something, and then it was rock music and
the filth in Hollywood and anyway, there's always something that
bothers people. AI, though, is different than anything we've ever seen.

(01:25:11):
This is not technology. We are creating the potential for
a parallel system and intelligence of being whatever you want
to call it, that could not just take jobs away,
believe me, can actually take us away. It can actually

(01:25:34):
take over the world. Now what people don't see it
that way. They see things like you know, chat, GPT
and these open AI and that cutes these stuff. We're
not talking about that. We're beyond that. When nobody's also
getting into when when quantum computing really kicks in and

(01:25:57):
they say, oh, no, that's far off, Well, I don't
understand why that's far off. Is any kind of consolation,
because it's going to happen. This is different than anything else.
By the way, I thank you for your call. This
is different than anything else. Let me just tell you again,
recursive self improvement. This is the first element of AI

(01:26:20):
and AGI artificial general intelligence. Not only does it think,
but it thinks sometimes better than you. If you think
that we are somehow that humans are the ultimate computer,
the ultimate thinker in some respects our humanity, I think

(01:26:44):
maybe I don't know if that could be mimicked or replicated.
But if you think that we are not able to
be improved upon. Oh, you're wrong, and I don't know
if it can even be stopped. But we've got to
talk about it. And prior to talking about it, people
have to understand it. Mark and Illinois, you're on another

(01:27:07):
side of Midnight with the Lionel.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:27:10):
You earlier mentioned the topic of evil, and you also
talked about truth telling. There was a book. There was
a book that equated evil with lying. It was called
People of the Lie and it was written by M.
Gott Tech who was a psychiatrist, and he talks about

(01:27:30):
asking his son, who was young at the time, what
do you think evil is? And his son said, well, Daddy,
evil is live spelled backwards. Yeah, I know, right, And
Scott Peck says, hey, this guy's my son has a
profound insight here, because evil is life destroying and it
is usually insidious, therefore psychologically corrosive. It's like the old

(01:27:56):
story of the You know, if you put the frog
suddenly in boiling water, it'll hop out, but if you
slowly turn the water up, he'll die.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
You know that's not true. No, No, he jumps out,
you know, believe me. When it starts to get uncomfortable. Yeah,
the idea. The idea is that the frog just sits
there and all of a sudden he scaes, hey I'm boiling. No, no, no,
that doesn't work. But we bring up something, we say,
let me, let me confound the evil. What do you

(01:28:26):
think that the people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki thought about
the United States after we dropped two, count them two
bombs on them, nuclear bombs? Do you think did they?
Do you think they thought we were evil when we
insinerate granted, by the way, by the way, probably with

(01:28:49):
Jimmy Doolittle and the raids in Tokyo probably killed more
people than the bombs did. But so, relative to what
position you are, is evil number one? It depends the
evil that we talk about. I guess is this wanton? Yes, baseless,

(01:29:11):
you know, serial killers or something like that. But the
other evil? How would you define evil? How would you
even define it?

Speaker 16 (01:29:21):
I think that that lives spelled backwards is on our
way to it. Do no, no, no evil people. Evil people
are life destroyers. They want will if they don't if
they don't want to kill you, they at least want
to diminish the quality of your life.

Speaker 9 (01:29:37):
They want they.

Speaker 16 (01:29:38):
Want you themselves that it's going to be at your expense.

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
Well, yeah, I mean there's first of all, evil can
be the predatory evil, the ones who go after you.
You can have a sidistic evil where their enjoyment is
not just crushing you, but in watching it. There are
other people who are like accidental they're evil if you

(01:30:03):
run into them, they don't go looking for you. It's
like the psychopath who doesn't really exact it on anybody.
He just doesn't. And by the way, that's an over
used word. Evil. Also that we're talking about is evil.
Also that we talk about sometimes is also it's relative
to what is your position. For example, let's talk about

(01:30:25):
simple serial killing. Okay, I think that's evil. If you
ask the person just curious, do you think you're evil?
I think they would say, well, I can certainly understand why,
but they would not, So why do you do this?
Because they don't really care? Is it because I'm evil
or because I have a pathology? Because evil? Sometimes I

(01:30:48):
think it's too easy a word, it's too much, it's
too easy to say, it doesn't really explain it enough.
Like that's the saying, badd why why why must you
only eliminate people who kill what about if you rape
a child? Why can't Why shouldn't they be eliminated too?

(01:31:10):
Why is murder only? Why is?

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
But why why must you kill people in order for
the death penalty to be enacted? By the way, I
thank you for your call. This is one of these
days we really have to get into. My favorite is
the morality of the death penalty, because we kill people

(01:31:35):
for killing people, and you can't get around that. And
we are so good at being able to explain well
the reason why and the real and we and we
will look at you with a straight face, all the
while extolling our Christian background, our Christian beliefs. It's incredible.
Eight hundred a four eight ninety two two two more

(01:31:58):
coming up on another side of midnight with me, Lionel,
I ask your evil ways, ladies and gentlemen. I remember
how critical Santana was to introduce Latin percussion sound to

(01:32:21):
American rock. Also, this comes at the heels of Joe
Beim in the sixties with busanova and samba. We says
a little different. We could talk about music. That's another
It's the greatest subject, greatest thing that man has ever
done is music. Greatest thing greatest. That's the one reason

(01:32:43):
if somebody says, why are you Because I tell people
I love my country, I love my people. I despise government.
They've never done anything for me. I just this is
the most inefficient group of you talk about this flypaper
for psychopaths, our culture, music acting. Let's face it, uh,

(01:33:06):
computer electronics, but our music. We gave the world music.
It's the greatest thing we ever did. Let's go back
to the phones, back to the fund. Let's go to
Will in the Bronx. Will, you're on another side of
midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 10 (01:33:23):
Will.

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
Where there's a Will, there's a lawyer.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
Will.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
Are you there, sir? You're okay, very good. Let's go
to instead to a man by the name of Oliver
Oliver in North Jersey. Oliver, you're on another side of
midnight with Linel.

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
Yeah. You know, it's kind of funny sometimes how how words,
concepts and uh they seem to linger on. You know,
I mean you were talking about, you know, into the
modern world. You know when when uh when you know
scientific world like we have today to uh, you know,
modern society that we still use words that you know, terminology,

(01:34:03):
they were common back in the you know, in the
in the Middle Ages, in the ancient world. I think
this idea of evil is antiquated. I mean, we have
medical science today that connect. But you know, for instance,
people with epilepsy in the old phase in the Bible,
of lunatics. You know, we called lunatics and the moon, right.

Speaker 1 (01:34:32):
Yes, because of the moon lunatics.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
Luna okay, And but you know, and and there are
many other things.

Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
What about this? What about what about hysteria with women
in their uterus.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
The directomy and all that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
Yeah, right, the women were always portrayed as crazy because
of basically they're I mean, because of know, their their
feminine acoultra males, so to speak. We've always we've always thought.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
That, right, I mean nowadays, you know, we have we
have science. I mean, you know, in the past they
thought that you know, thunder and uh and and lightning
were closed by you know, zoos and other gods.

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
Well, it's not you're telling me it's not. Well, by
the way, Oliver does evil, what is evil to you? See?
I think it's the definition of it is interesting. This
is is defined by the way as the deliberate corruption
or destruction or violation of what is good, true innocent

(01:35:44):
and human. It goes beyond error or weakness or ordinary
selfishness because it involves knowingly, I like this, knowingly choosing cruelty, deception, domination,
or degradation, and often without remorse, which, by the way,
is one of the key ingredients of any kind of

(01:36:04):
radio programming anyway. But it's our attempt it but it's shorthand.
It's shorthand that we use.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
Yeah, I mean you can you can say that, Oh,
you can use the you know, the opposite logic that
basically evil is the absence of good. I believe that's
what the storks believed.

Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
Or or as one person says repeatedly, and I thank
you for your call, that evil is lived backwards. And
by the way, God is dog backwards if we want
to play that game. And by the way, eviyon spell
backwards is naive. So there you have. We have the third,
the final hour. I love where we're going with this.
I love where we're going, the dissection, the appreciation, the

(01:36:48):
notion of this wonderful human trait called evil and deception,
and also will Ai take over the world and rombus
of our humanity eight hundred and eight four eight ninety
two two two, our number three coming up.

Speaker 17 (01:37:01):
Stay tuned, my lo I know, I know, I know

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my lo Lo, I know none Lo, I know lo line,
I know I lo.

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
Lie know I know I need already in a ligne
up with you our number three. The final hour of
this thing of ours number is eight hundred and eight
four eight nine, two to two. We're talking to our
friend or young man Ian who's answering your phone. Ian

(01:37:58):
is uh to be one of the mainstays of radio grade.
By the way, Ian, here's an interesting question. Why do
we have eight hundred numbers anymore? That doesn't make any sense.
What do we need eight hundred? Somebody's paying for an
eight hundred. You can give any number you want. You
can just say it and you say, okay, that's fine, one,

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eight hundred?

Speaker 13 (01:38:19):
What is this?

Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
What's this? The seventies? Does it matter? Is there is
there an operator anymore? I mean, if you dial zero
not oh, is there an operator? I don't even know.
I don't people also don't even know their phone numbers.
They just it's all programmed. But I give her understow.
Why do we have eight hundred, because that's a that's

(01:38:40):
a specialty thing. In any event, when we talk about evil.
I am absolutely fascinated by the study of serial killers,
and not because I like them. I don't at all.
I think they're horrible people. But I want to know
why do people become serial killers, Why they are so

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rare in the panoply of of you know, demented pathology,
they are very rare. You can go to prisons and say,
show me your serial killer wing. Now, maybe you say,
the reason why they're not in a prison is that
they're so smart they're not caught. I don't think so.
But it's just a rare thing, very very rare. And

(01:39:30):
what really bothers people is the overuse of the word psychopaths, psychopathy, sociopathy.
It's a lot of them are not psychopaths, and this
this drives people crazy. It's been said, for example, that
some of the worst despots like Hitler, or or or
Mile or Powpot are not psychopaths at all, which which

(01:39:54):
really scaries people because they say, no, no, they're just
normal people who will elect to do this because they're
here we go evil. The most interesting case, Piers Morgan
is a person who basically I detest. I think he's vile.
I think he's limited. I think he's pedestrian and intellectual parvenue.

(01:40:16):
He's just just a real shlub. But he is a
very good thing every now and then because he interviews
serial killers. And the serial killer is, of course somebody
who kills it's say three or more over a particular
period of time, with the cooling off period, but they
feel as though they are compelled to do this. This

(01:40:38):
is not somebody who just kills somebody. This is not
an opportunistic killer, not the wife who kills her husband
for you know, insurance money or no no, no, no, no no.
Serial killing is somebody who does it odd to Siriato.
But the most interesting one is a fellow named Bernard
Eugene Giles. And this is a serial killer. He's from Titusville,

(01:40:59):
right around Cape Kennedy, right around that area. And in
nineteen seventy three, he was twenty years old and he
targeted young women and teenage girls, and many of them
he would get when hitchhiking. He murdered five victims over

(01:41:22):
three months before his arrest. Now let me just explain
this to you. He is the not only the babe ruth,
but nobody works that fast. Ted Bundy didn't worry. Nobody did.
He jammed it all into three months, and he wondered why.

(01:41:46):
What's so interesting is that he is the most If
you met this guy, if he sat next to you,
kind of like a like Albert Fish, if you get
a chance, just to google his picture and just look
at him, it looks like somebody's like Bert Mustin, remember
him the actor. And he was interviewed by Piers Morgan

(01:42:12):
and he showed not only no remorse, but he just
talked about it as calmly and as passively as you
can imagine. And he's very respectful. He would say, yes, sir,
mister mister Morgan, yes sir, yes sir. He's just the
nicest guy, other than the fact he's a serial killer.
And they said, did you see Silence of the Lambs?

(01:42:35):
He said yeah? Or it did you like? He said,
not really. I don't know why they would ask that question.
But here's the moment where I understood. It was my
epiphany moment. It was my aha moment. I understand. And
he said, mister Morgan, and he had to cut of

(01:43:00):
a slow kind of a jo says, what do you
enjoy doing more than anything else? What do you what
makes you happy. And this gets into the notion of hedonia,
you know, versus like hedonism, somebody that makes you happy.
Headonism is not a bad thing necessarily anyway. And he
said that the first time he killed, he always knew this.

(01:43:23):
We'll talk about this in the moment. The first time,
he said, it was such a rush, such a surge.
It was like sticking his finger in a socket. He
said he could see the atoms vibrate. I said, oh
my god. He said it was like nothing, his boring, awful,

(01:43:47):
sick life. You know, most of us get a hobby,
get a pet, Not Bernard Giles, Nope. But he said
it was something that he had to do and he
knew it. And a lot of these serial killers would say,
I knew I would have to kill that day. Now,
are they evil? I'm not going to argue the point.

(01:44:10):
I think it evil. Kind of makes him sound romantic.
There's something about them. They are this. They are this
raw version where if they were in a flock or
a herd or a group, they would most probably be
eliminated by virtue of nature because they pose a systematic

(01:44:33):
threat to the rest of the group. And what's interesting
is that when you go to any major prison, these
people don't exist. They might be a serial rapist, but
even those are not. It's different. This is a person
who waits the pressure builds up. It's almost like an
alcoholic who's on their wagon. He's trying, but he feels

(01:44:55):
at any moment and he feels because of the stressors
of life or whatever it is, he fields are coming.
He says, I don't know if I'm going to be
able to. I need a drink, I need for whatever.
The reason is the addiction. They're almost addicted to this. Now,
if you can understand that pathology, you can understand a
lot of things, because you have to know what makes

(01:45:17):
the system break down like that. They say there were
three things the serial killers all tended to have as
or it tended to have in common. One is in
eu recis or bedwetting. The second is teasing animals, and
the third is arson lighting fires. I would go a

(01:45:38):
step further and throwing bullying because the bully. This is
a form of sadism. Now, my question is are they evil?
You will say, yes, well, what is evil? And that's
a colloquialism, that's a term that we use. Other people
will say again, is nobody ever thinks are evil? I

(01:46:00):
guess maybe with the exception of these people. But MAO
would say I wasn't evil. He killed more people than
I don't know how many people, who knows millions. They
think nothing of it, nothing of it. It just they
but they're saying, but that's that's what I had to do,

(01:46:22):
that's my job. There was a case one time years
ago during World War Two when Eisenhower, ike Supreme Allied Commander,
was in his chalet or his whatever it was, his
headquarters and he was talking to somebody, a reporter or somebody.
Somebody says, see this map the yass now today about

(01:46:45):
a thousand Americans are going to die, and I don't
know if they're going to die here or if they're
going to die here. And he spoke about it like
it was nothing. I'm not saying he felt like that.
They also talked about the night before D Day. He said, well,
went to bed, made my decision, and that's the way
he goes and in his mind he realizes, this is

(01:47:08):
what I have to do. Like a doctor might have
to amputate or somebody might have it. Certain things you
just have to do. And yet to listen to him.
It was the most dispassionate thing. See. I always used
to think that killing people was you was so rare,
not necessarily, not necessarily, it doesn't really come up for

(01:47:31):
most people. I think it's easier to do than possible. Now,
somebody before said what do we do when we catch
these people? And I've always been for the longest time
against the death penalty for reasons that you think I
have a problem with the fact that we're going to

(01:47:53):
get In fact, we have had maybe not that many
of the people who actually did not do it, I
mean innocent, and then we had people who didn't necessarily
deserve it because what they did was really not that
heinous or awful compared to others where the aggravating factors

(01:48:14):
really didn't outweigh the mitigating et cetera, etc. But in
this country, we love the death penalty. Oh oh, and
there are people who we're saying right now, we know this.
Tyler Robinson, the man's on trial for killing Charlie Kirk.

(01:48:40):
Not only did he not do it, but if you
get into that, you cannot believe this case how it's
like nothing I've ever seen. I'm trying to it's hard
where you can find somebody who really there's no evidence
of anything, though you think there is. And there is

(01:49:03):
such a scrum, there was such a pitchfork in towards
group that they you can almost hear the chanting kill him,
I want you to kill him. And then I asked
the question, so, who's really evil here? You're almost getting
excited talking about murder and killing. Yeah, but he deserves it. Yeah,

(01:49:24):
But what do you think Jesus was? I don't care
what Jesus would say, Jesus eye for an eye, and
they'll they'll they'll pretend there's some biblical reference. Do you
think Jesus would be for the death penalty? Because Jesus,
as you know, was a victim of the death penalty,
and he was guilty. He was the son of God. Right,

(01:49:45):
So and they look at you and they say, I
don't want you to do not interrupt my my thought here.
And it's like, so, who's who's evil?

Speaker 2 (01:49:59):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:49:59):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:50:00):
This is called justice. No, I think you're getting a
little bit you're getting kind of excited over this. I
don't think you're out for justice. I think you're out
for just kind of makes you feel good. Or you
think it makes you feel good, or you think that
it accomplishes something. Studies have shown everybody knows it's it's
axiomatic that when you remove the death penalty, murder rates

(01:50:22):
don't go up, and when you add the death penalty,
murder rates don't go down because murder firstgree murdered. It's
so rare, it doesn't really follow any kind of rules.
And there's one thing which is the most interesting. If
you really want to hear people, if you really do
me a favor, this is something interesting. Ask people what

(01:50:46):
they think about spanking in all my years I've been
doing this well, I guess professionally for like thirty eight years.
And if ever, there's a day when we would do
a show, you know, five days a week, and sometimes
he'd be like, ah, that's a slow day. We didn't
have the internet. We had like newspapers and nothing was

(01:51:07):
really clicking. SAE have these evergreen subjects. What can I
do to get people just raring ago mention spanking and
how there is no excuse to spank a kid, that
it's barbaric and it's it's not good for their psyche,
not good, Oh my god, get back and watch the

(01:51:32):
phones explode, and you think to yourself, these people are
they're getting mad because you will not take their spanking away. Now,
I know the death penalty is different, but just listen
to this death penalty. They went spanking. They look at
you with a look as that you're not going to

(01:51:55):
take this away from me. There's nothing wrong with it, right.
This is for the good of the child, good for society. Right.
And you're wondering, Wow, I know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 18 (01:52:14):
Oh yeah, the great Mitch Writer and the Detroit not Detroit,
but the Detroit Wheels jump.

Speaker 1 (01:52:26):
Up deviled in a blue dragon with a blue you know,
our our friend Ian. Who is are you there? Bill?
Did we cut the Okay? You scare me there? When
I when it goes? When I don't hear that, I thought, Oh, oh, anyway,

(01:52:46):
my friends, we're talking about evil and a very panoply,
a comphony of topics and thoughts. Let's go back at
the phones, back to the fun. Let's go to Chuck
in New Jersey. Chuck, you're on another side of Midnight
with lionel or Illinois.

Speaker 2 (01:53:01):
I knew, yes, I knew two killers. Oh tell me
one I ran around with when I was a kid,
and he was. If I didn't know him and his brother,
I wouldn't know a lot about him. But he was
an international SiO killer.

Speaker 1 (01:53:24):
How prolific was he? May I ask his name?

Speaker 2 (01:53:28):
Yes, his name was William Stitt. I don't know if
you can find anything on him or not. But STI
S T I T T.

Speaker 1 (01:53:41):
That's what I thought. Well, what was he like as a.

Speaker 2 (01:53:45):
Child, Well, he was in mensa and I did not
have to do that if I didn't know him and
his brother.

Speaker 1 (01:53:53):
But but what is that mensa? Do they even have
mensa anymore?

Speaker 5 (01:53:56):
Is anybody?

Speaker 1 (01:53:57):
And why why would people even show up and say
I know that I'm not and I've been around, I
know this. My question is why would you want to
do this?

Speaker 2 (01:54:10):
Well, I don't understand it either. I wouldn't know it
if it wasn't for knowing his brother.

Speaker 1 (01:54:16):
You've made that very clear, by the way. William Stitt
later known as William T. Barlow, this is Missouri court record.
This was a Missouri correct.

Speaker 2 (01:54:27):
Well when he was in the states, Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:54:30):
Well, okay, he would described him as having he had
life sentence misi U in Germany. Well, let me give
you the story. Missouri court records describe him as having
murdered three will women and committed additional violent sexual attacks.
The record says he strangled a woman in Germany in

(01:54:50):
nineteen fifty six, stabbed women to death in seventy one
and seventy two, and raped and stabbed another woman who survived.
He was diagnosed by experts with sexual sadism, an anti
social personality disorder that's the classic psychopath, and was ultimately
committed as a sexually violent predator. So there you have it,

(01:55:10):
and this is and this got out.

Speaker 2 (01:55:14):
On what he got out on work release while he
was committed. I don't know if they if they've got
that either.

Speaker 1 (01:55:22):
Well, listen, I appreciate that place, all right, listen, I
thank you so much. Please please call me again. Uh,
I don't want to. I don't. I thank people so
much for calling. But sometimes you're saying, tell me something interesting, like,

(01:55:44):
you know, when I was a kid, one time there
was this cat and the cat was missing. You know,
something like what did he do with the cat? You know?
This one was he was in mensa. Yeah, I know that,
and I knew most when I knew his brother. Okay, anyway,
I'm not trying to be cool, but I just wanted

(01:56:05):
to move along because I thought we'd get somebody was
good of that. By the way, MENSA seems like the
most stupid organization. What would you need to sit around
with people who who got a particular score on that test,
on an SAT or an IQ test, and you're going
to be what having cocktails and discussing what Nietzsche and

(01:56:28):
Kant or supersymmetry. I don't know. Let's go to Buddy
in New Jersey. Buddy, you're on another side of Midnight
with Lionel.

Speaker 13 (01:56:37):
How are you Lionel?

Speaker 1 (01:56:39):
Good? Buddy? Is that your real name?

Speaker 10 (01:56:41):
Buddy?

Speaker 1 (01:56:41):
Were you born buddy?

Speaker 5 (01:56:43):
No? I was it?

Speaker 13 (01:56:44):
But everyone calls me buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:56:46):
Why is that you think?

Speaker 8 (01:56:47):
Everyone?

Speaker 13 (01:56:49):
Uh? Well, I say buddy a lot. It's one of
my favorite things to say, so it becomes one of
those things where I say, it's so much that people
started just calling me buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:56:57):
You're one of those people that we can't remember name,
so the hey, buddy, or like boss coach.

Speaker 3 (01:57:05):
No.

Speaker 13 (01:57:05):
I just love being like, sorry, buddy, what's up, buddy?
Like it's this is my favorite thing to say.

Speaker 1 (01:57:10):
But what do you do with women?

Speaker 13 (01:57:12):
Women? I might I might throw a buddy out to
women too. They like it. But you know, Lino, you
have the best voice in radio. I gotta tell you,
there's no more distinct voice. I think to your voice.
It is very true. And I love that song you play.

(01:57:32):
And it took me forever to figure out what that
song was, because good luck trying to google Linyl over
and over again. I couldn't figure out what that song was.
And I finally got it. Yes, yes, so you're talking
about evil. And what I find really interesting is you
brought up music and I love music too, And the

(01:57:56):
interesting thing thing about music is that music can be
and I'm gonna use the word evil or good. Good
and evil go to together. And you know, for example,
serial killers. You know Richard Ramirez for example, right, Yes,
he love to listen to satanic kind of music, ac
N whatever it was, Yeah, the night Yes, the Nightstalker.

Speaker 1 (01:58:20):
Can I interrupt for one second?

Speaker 9 (01:58:22):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (01:58:23):
What about the number of people who like the same
music and never hurt anybody?

Speaker 13 (01:58:29):
No, okay, so let me get to my point. So
music can have the dark energy and it can have
a great energy. You put on don't worry, be happy
by Bobby McFerrin. You're not gonna feel evil while you're
listening to it where you know metal music. Well, let
me just finish what I'm gonna say. Someone like Richard Ramirez,
even though the things that he did are evil, and

(01:58:51):
he did kind of like to be evil. If you
look into most serial killers, paths and lives, they all
have some sort of thing that caused some sort of
really heavy duty trauma on their psyche and and they
have mental problems. Right when we're talking about good and
evil in the sense of the word, like Adam and

(01:59:13):
Eves or something like that. Right, human beings are a
product of their environment, just like a dog like dogs,
aren't you notice, animals don't have evil. They might be vicious,
like Kuzo is a scary dog, but you know he
had rabies. Dogs and animals don't have this evil.

Speaker 1 (01:59:30):
Thing that you let me stop for a second. Stop.
You said about ninety different things. I want to let's
do them one by one. Well, very interesting animals, aren't
you are correct? Animals will never hurt each other, sometimes
very rarely like bonobos and chimps, sometimes will go very territorial,
but for the most part, dogs will not attack dogs,

(01:59:51):
they don't kill. That's where they have very intricate signals.
They'll show submission to roll over in their back. You know,
they'll expose their throat. That's number one. What you're talking
about is the idea of correlation versus cause. Now, Richard
Ramirez liked his whole thing was he had a pentagram

(02:00:12):
on his hand and he was Satanic. Now, the number
of people who liked the same music, pentagrams, everything, they've
never hurt anyone. He was different out there. Also. I'm
sure he might have liked God Forbid Myron Florin from
Lawrence Welk. And that doesn't mean anything either. And that's

(02:00:32):
one thing. The other thing you said which is very interesting,
and that is that there's always a trauma that happens
to them. Again, I go back to but there were
terrible traumas that happened to a lot of people. RT
one time, the network just did a documentary on kids

(02:00:53):
who were assassins in either the Congo or it was Africa,
the continent of Africa. I don't know what country, but
they were actual assassins. And this one kid ak forty seven.
To look at him, he killed about I don't know
twenty people. This kid, he was the nicest anyway, So

(02:01:16):
listen to this. So they wanted to adopt him. They
wanted to adopt him in this country. So they said,
we wanted to we have to tell parents. Potential was like, well, listen,
you know, we've got this guy here to adopt. His
name is Buddy. We don't know why he's called buddy,
but he likes the named buddy. But when he tells it,
he's an assassin. What he's killed twenty people? Now, some

(02:01:41):
people said, but he seems like a nice kid. Do
you know that when they came and they were in
a love me home, they never so much as raised
a hand to anybody. It didn't affect them. Now, if
ever there was a kid who has the right, I mean,
I'm serious to really go crazy. It's somebody who was
into being an assassin during the war. I mean, go

(02:02:04):
and actually target picked out. You never know what's going
to affect somebody. There still is. Some people think there
may be something they are born with. They may be
born with this predisposition, not that something caused it.

Speaker 13 (02:02:22):
Right, What I was going to say to you is
that I don't think personally, I don't think that a
child that comes out of a womb is born good
or evil. I don't think that it takes form yet.
But what I was going to say to you about.

Speaker 1 (02:02:36):
But what if they're born Wait a minute, but what
if they're born with a predisposition in terms of cognitive behavior?

Speaker 13 (02:02:43):
That's a defect. That's not evil?

Speaker 1 (02:02:46):
Right?

Speaker 13 (02:02:47):
That that's But what I was going to say to
you is that what really is interesting is what you
just said. A lot of people listen to metal heavy metal,
but aren't evil. But what I was going to say,
think about this, and I sometimes think about this, and
I think it's very interesting that there's people out there
that might not be serial killers, that might not kill,
that might not do these evil things, but it's inside them.

(02:03:10):
What about the people that are holding these things back?
There might be psychopaths all around us, but they know
that there's consequences and they're not that messed up where
they more they might want to kill, but they don't.

Speaker 4 (02:03:23):
Let me.

Speaker 1 (02:03:24):
Going a step further, there is a term that we
use in our country, oftentimes incorrectly, and that's pedophile. You know,
Epstein was a pedophile and the pedophiles, and that's somebody
who has a sexual attraction too. Let's say children. There's
also a feeble fhile. Hebre fhile is called chronophilia. There's
various there's also gerontophilia. There is people who have a

(02:03:48):
predisposition or they're they're attracted to older people anyway, Now
that's attraction. If they don't act upon this. There are
people who also have fantasies about cannibal They don't do anything. Now,
it's just because you're attracted to something, just because in
your mind you become aroused. Remember a while back, maybe

(02:04:10):
you don't remember this, but in New York City there
was a police officer who they since let go, who
had fantasies of cannibalizing his wife. And he would be
on these online chats that they would talk about can
we get a pan? I need a big enough pan
to hold my wife, And he was talking about the
most intricate detail of you can't imagine about how he

(02:04:35):
was going to kill and cannibalize his wife. Okay, after
all this took place, they said, of course, you know,
we have to let you go, which makes sense. The
idea of him with a gun is a bit of
a problem. But there was nothing illegal. Was saying nothing,
there's nothing illegal. That's just the thought. So a pedophile. Now,

(02:04:58):
remember the people who do the most harmed to children
are not pedophiles. They're traffickers and they will traffic and
stolen art. It was traffic and stolen goods or shark
fins or anything that's got money involved in it. But
there are some people who have a predisposition to that.

(02:05:18):
And a psychopath is somebody who's head and heart think
about this are disconnected. They don't feel guilt because they
don't have feelings associated with that.

Speaker 13 (02:05:33):
Right, Well, you just said about the pedophiles, is that
there could be a lot of pedophiles out there that,
oh yeah, never act on it because they know it's wrong.
So that's the difference is that you still have the
thing that the society considers now to the evil inside
of you, but you don't act on it, meaning you
have the difference between right and wrong.

Speaker 1 (02:05:50):
No, now I disagree. Nope, you're missing one point. Many
people don't act upon it because they don't want to
get caught. If they could get away with it, if
they could get away with it, they'd do it.

Speaker 11 (02:06:04):
No.

Speaker 1 (02:06:04):
Absolutely, Let me give you an example. You bring up
another will slide in another. It's an interesting case here.
The insanity defense is known. It's called the McNaughton rule,
and the mcnoton rule is pretty much used in most jurisdictions.
And what it means is you basically did not know

(02:06:25):
the difference between right and wrong. Okay, now this is
supposedly what's going to define insanity. Let's assume you are
a schizophrenic and you're standing on a subway platform and
the voices in you say push that lady in front
of that subway, push her, and you're saying, no, I
don't want to push her. Do it, And you do it,

(02:06:48):
and you know it's wrong. You feel terrible, but you
do it. Now you're crazy. Under the McNaughton rule, that
wouldn't apply. Or somebody who does something and then runs
away in hiding have known something was wrong. No, I'm
just trying to avoid detection because you knew something was wrong. No,
because I didn't want to get caught. So you don't know. Now,

(02:07:10):
let me go back to this evil. When there is
somebody who it's not that they're you make evil sound
like it's medievil, so to speak, or medievil, as we say.
If a child is born with a propensity for sadism,
A child who enjoys seeing kids cry they're born, it's happened.

(02:07:34):
They're not evil. It's not that they were possessed by
the devil. But just like there are people who have
natural instincts to be philanthropic, there are other people who
have instincts to do negative things. Now are they? What
is it evil? Makes it sound too magical to me?

Speaker 4 (02:07:52):
By your final thoughts, That's my final thought is that
I'm going to tie in another thing you said when
you started talking about welfare, and then you know it
also ties to what you said about now, is.

Speaker 13 (02:08:03):
That there's people that do bad things and murder people
and people who you know, for example, when rich people
get together and they talk about welfare, Okay, it's very
easy to talk about that in this you know, uh, rich,
pretentious way. But you know, poor people who are out
there collecting welfare, or the poor people that you know

(02:08:25):
out there robbing a liquor store to get some money,
they're not sitting around having some intellectual debate about welfare.
So I find it somewhat evil when rich people, who
have enough money to feed and clothe the whole world,
go around talking about how people shouldn't be getting things
for free. I think that there's a there's an air

(02:08:46):
of that that's evil.

Speaker 1 (02:08:48):
Well, it's interesting sometimes I think there is. Sometimes there
is a The reason why people speak the way they
do is because they have no compassion and they they
just don't.

Speaker 13 (02:08:57):
Like how to be able everything.

Speaker 1 (02:08:58):
Other folks will say, they really believe that I didn't
have anybody help me, and you know, so listen, that's
another story, my friend. Please call me again, don't ever change.
I mean that eight four eight nine, two to two
to Ray in the Keystone State. You're on another side
of midnight with Lionel.

Speaker 9 (02:09:17):
Hey, Lionel, how are you doing good?

Speaker 8 (02:09:19):
Ray?

Speaker 9 (02:09:21):
You know, I think everybody can agree that child moa
station is pure evil.

Speaker 1 (02:09:28):
It's wrong, correct, absolutely right.

Speaker 9 (02:09:32):
So I went to the famous Old Boys High School
in Queens. You know, some of the graduates became governor,
some of them became the police commissioner. And my freshman
year at a tough time adjustice and they did poorly
in every class except for religious studies, which was taught

(02:09:53):
by the priest that was assigned to the schools. He
took me aside. He's like, hey, did your report card
and you know, there's a disconnect here. So he started
taking me under his wing and he's like, yeah, the office,
and you know, he studded like, you know, like bringing

(02:10:14):
me closer and closer. He's like, what does your dad do?
I was like, my dad's a cop, and all of
a sudden he started pushing me away. And I didn't
realize it at the time, but looking back, that's what
it was. And he knew because if he had touched me,
you know, my dad wouldn't take him to the court.

(02:10:34):
He when it charged him, he went to brutalize him.
He would have ended up at the Fountain Avenue landfill.

Speaker 1 (02:10:41):
And well, but you know what he was doing though
he was he was now can I tell you something
about it? I'll tell you something interesting about that. When
I was prosecuting juvenile the division. Uh, this is the
first time I ever heard of these people, and they're very,

(02:11:02):
very real. Real abuser is not the guy who goes
out and just grabs a kid or kidnaps him, but
somebody who wants anyway, you know. The fellow John Douglas.
John Douglas is the he is the famous profiler, FBI profiler.
And I asked him one time, I said, in fact

(02:11:26):
on WABC and the old w ABC anyway, I said
what I said, explain to me the mind of a predator.
What does he think? He says, Okay, he said, this
is what I would do, and his voice even got
slower and deeper. Was creepy. This was that, this was

(02:11:47):
a while back. He said, I would probably go to
where kids were, maybe a game room. We don't have
game rooms anymore, but we used to have game rooms
at the mall. Parents who dropped their kids off at
the game room. And he said, I walk in right,
And I'd walk in and I'd look for the fat
kid or somebody by himself, somebody right, or somebody's just

(02:12:09):
not a part of the group. And I'd walk over
and I'd say, you know, I've got some extra tokens
here and you might as well have them. I'm done.
And then you would watch the kid and you would say, hey,
you know what, you're pretty good at that. You must
have done this before. You're really good. It's praise, It
is everything the kid wants. Just anyway, but here's what

(02:12:31):
he said, don'll never forget. He said, First, these people
are geniuses in child behavior. They know exactly what kids want.
And number two, well, but they're too they're patient, and
what they're doing is this is seduction. They want you
to fall in love with them. Now, this is real.

(02:12:52):
This is real, classic molestation, not somebody wants to snatch
a kid or heard him or whatever it is. Now,
let me ask this question. You were in the Catholic school.
I was in a Jesuit high school. We never heard
of anybody who did this. Turns out later on there
might have been somewhere, not in our school, but somebody somewhere.

(02:13:15):
Now here's the thing.

Speaker 9 (02:13:17):
There's was the story before you hang up on me.

Speaker 1 (02:13:19):
But go ahead, no, no, continue.

Speaker 9 (02:13:23):
So decades later, like I graduated in eighty seven, So
in twenty twenty seven, I was working at the company
and the receptionist was out, so we were all picking
up the phones for and I picked up one of
the owner's calls from his wife, and somehow we got

(02:13:45):
onto religion. You mentioned the name of the new priest
at her church. I was like, I know that guy,
he's great. Yeah, and he was. Actually I got one
to him after I graduated because I felt guilty about
paying for somebody's abortion. Wasn't my kid? Somebody needed money.

(02:14:07):
He gave me absolution. He said, you weren't. You didn't
do anything stuff, tell for friends you need the money.

Speaker 10 (02:14:15):
Right.

Speaker 9 (02:14:16):
So I'm talking to the wife and I'm like, he's
a straight, solid shooter. And a couple of weeks later,
maybe a month later, the boss calls me into is
the office. He says, listen, I'm going to tell you
this because said I want you to find out if
you were talking about mom or whatever. His name was
the one that mad Fit and uh. He got arrested

(02:14:37):
yesterday to Tallel Mellow station and he was doing kids
from the sixties, the seventies, the eighties, the nineties. And
you know another thing that saved me was my mom's
uncle was a mon senior and he was part of
I don't know what you call it. Yeah, they would

(02:15:02):
they would like look into these things, right, And he
was like, let's call the police and they were like, no,
it's gonna shuffle among Yes, you tell my mom.

Speaker 5 (02:15:11):
And I remember.

Speaker 9 (02:15:14):
Maybe ten my mom was talking to me about like
don't let people tuch you even and she was explaining
like having your bowels perforated by.

Speaker 2 (02:15:25):
Peani okay, okay, yep, and.

Speaker 9 (02:15:30):
I didn't understand the time.

Speaker 1 (02:15:32):
I can understand that that was a little bit much.
By the way, thank you for your call. Don't know
where this was going. I appreciate that. Here's a question
which I find interesting. Aside from that, you know, I've
always been fascinated by how many people who are not
Catholic have this incredible interest in priests can be married?

(02:15:55):
How come a priest can't get married? Mind the name
of God? The does the church prohibit a priest from
getting married? And I would always ask, do you want
to be a priest?

Speaker 5 (02:16:07):
No?

Speaker 1 (02:16:08):
Do you want to get married?

Speaker 6 (02:16:10):
No?

Speaker 1 (02:16:10):
The what are you asking? It's a house rule. But
the question remains in the old days depending upon where
you were when you take a young boy, which is redundant.
I guess it's tautological. But if you take a boy
and you put him either in the seminary or something
along those lines, and he never is allowed to quote, develop, explore,

(02:16:35):
find women, or because let's face it, you're I don't
think in the old days, if you're in the seminary,
you are pretty much hanging up your dancing shoes at
least for the time being. And if you were living
with or in the company of people who have for
whatever reason, followed suit. And it's not so much arrested development,

(02:16:55):
but it was interrupted. This is not the normal holicy,
the normal procedure, the normal road, so to speak. You
you know, is it not how do I say this?
Is it not possible for you not to create problems?

(02:17:17):
But if there's any kind of propensity for that to
provide fertile breeding ground for them, it's one of those
things which I think is very interesting because I believe
that adolescence is tough enough and anything that interrupts that,
anything that gets in the way, you will pay. Later

(02:17:38):
on Lenny in Chicago, you're on another side of Midnight
with Lionel.

Speaker 15 (02:17:43):
How you doing, Relinel good sir oh.

Speaker 8 (02:17:47):
I was going to bring up the fact recently I
was talking to my grandmother, and my grandmother was talking
about when she was a young girl back in the
nineteen forties, they in the town she lived in Mexico,
they would have public executions, and I kind of associated
it with uh going back to ancient Rome. They they'd

(02:18:11):
have the same thing, public executions. And she would tell
me that people who like raped women or such, they
would they would line these guys up and they would
whip their their spinal cord with like a whip, and
they go into prison if they went, and when they
came out, they did the same thing and mess those
guys and mess those guys up thankfully. And uh she

(02:18:35):
mentioned hangings. Uh, the old town will go to these hangings.
They would would they would have another criminal who would
who would who would do all the stuff to hang
the man. Once the guy was hung, they put they
threw them in a box. And my grandmother, she will
tell me how she could still hear like as they're

(02:18:56):
drawing this guy away with a horse and carriage, that
the guy's head hit hitting up the wooden box side.
You remember that? And later on what was what was I.

Speaker 1 (02:19:08):
I'm sorry, I was curious what what what was the
effect on her as a young girl.

Speaker 8 (02:19:14):
She looked at it that this is another thing that
that uh, that's what society needed to stop these guys
from doing uh heinous activities.

Speaker 1 (02:19:24):
Any chance of them ever getting the wrong person?

Speaker 8 (02:19:28):
I would, I would, I would. I would guarantee you
they got the wrong person sometimes.

Speaker 1 (02:19:33):
Yeah, sure so in fair so is it safe to
say that you're in favor of that?

Speaker 8 (02:19:39):
Uh, I'm in favor for the death penalty for different reasons, because.

Speaker 1 (02:19:45):
Uh, why, very quickly, why are you in favor of it?

Speaker 10 (02:19:49):
Uh?

Speaker 8 (02:19:49):
Well, I grew up. I was growing up growing up
in Florida back in the nineteen eighties. Uh, those people
let a pedophile out, and this pedophile broke into my
house and murder my mother when years old.

Speaker 1 (02:20:03):
Well, you know what, my friend, if ever there was
a reason that would give you a reason for that,
it would certainly be that I am so sorry you
had to go through that, my dear friend, I must run.
I'm so sorry. Please call me again. Eight hundred and
eighty four eight nine two two two. No, No, I
am not going to argue that one. I understand completely.
This is Linel with you on another side of midnight.

(02:20:32):
Oh yeah, I as evil woman, ladies and gentlemen. Eight Well,
forget the number romless down to the final wire. You know,

(02:20:54):
I gotta understand. You gotta understand something. And I've and
I've seen this. There is something that human beings feel
and it is called a sense of justice. You can
call it revenge or you can call it whatever you want.
And I don't think that's necessarily something that either is

(02:21:15):
a bad thing or an unnatural thing. Sometimes there's a
sense of you having such a smoldering rage that you
want to somehow return the favor. It makes complete and
total sense. Let's go to Georgia and Westchester, Georgia. On
another side of midnightwood Linel, Well High Linel.

Speaker 14 (02:21:38):
Nobody picks the topics bedded than you, that's for sure.

Speaker 15 (02:21:42):
You're talking about the schools and everything.

Speaker 14 (02:21:45):
Here's a couple of things, like in the fifties and sixties,
I've been told in high schools they would make the
boys swim naked. To me, that's as weird as can be. Also,
in the sixties you had a lot of guys going
into the priesthood. They really weren't really religious, they just

(02:22:05):
wanted to get out of the draft. So there's always
shenanigans going on. And I think if there's more people
in the country, because when you were in high school,
there was two twenty five two hundred and twenty five million.

Speaker 15 (02:22:18):
Now it is like three hundred and fifty million, So
you've got more lunatics running around. Just numbers wise, there's
going to be more.

Speaker 1 (02:22:24):
But also more good people. But also more good people.

Speaker 15 (02:22:28):
Oh yes, there are always been good people come on.

Speaker 1 (02:22:31):
You know, but there's more good people. Just says there's
more lunatics, there's also more good people.

Speaker 15 (02:22:38):
Correct, I understand.

Speaker 14 (02:22:39):
That's the part I'm saying is I'd rather walk into
good people than have one of these lunatics with the
odds are in their favor if there's more of them.
But the weird thing is like these individuals, like they
talk about the priest or teachers. But I always I'm
a little suspect afect of it, because all right, the

(02:23:01):
kids might be naive, maybe not you, maybe not me,
but most kids are naive. What about the other adults
that were around these people?

Speaker 15 (02:23:09):
Then they pick up on anything they see, anything.

Speaker 14 (02:23:12):
Weird about certain people, Like they showed a lot of things.

Speaker 1 (02:23:15):
Oh listen, apps, I'll bet you that it is very common,
in part for the chorus for people to not only
know about this, to hear about this, but also for
kids to talk, you know, what's going on. You know,
somebody years ago said, and by the way, thank you
for your call. One of the best examples or analogies,

(02:23:36):
somebody said that in the old days regarding some of
these priests. And by the way, it's not just Catholic priests.
They also had little league coaches in any places place
where there was kids. In any event, what they would
do is they would move a priest to a different parish,

(02:23:56):
much like they would move a and like one of
these killer whales, like a shamoo type that kills a trainer,
they just move it to another SeaWorld without letting anybody
know why all of a sudden, when you're SeaWorld Kansas
City and say, hey, we're getting a new uh oh interesting,
we're just going from Virginia. Hmm, I wonder why he's

(02:24:19):
coming here. You don't think maybe he killed anybody? Nah,
They just too kind of a change of pace. But
in the sixties in particular, when there was more of
a liberal, kind of an open minded idea about how
why people do things, there was an effort of that
perhaps maybe therapy might be the best way to handle this,

(02:24:39):
Maybe that that, you know, let's see if we can
help these people. And after all, this is the Catholic
Church where forgiveness and reconciliation are the key, So a
lot of issues militated against that. The good news is,
by the way, from the last report I saw, this
is absolutely positively a thing of the past for the

(02:25:03):
most part, not that it doesn't happen, but not in
those numbers. My friends. I thank you so so very
much to Ian and Bill, you've done tremendous work tonight.
Thank you so much stewarting the helm as it were.
And I want to also thank you reminding you. You can
find me also at YouTube, aught at lineal Nation, and

(02:25:23):
until tomorrow night, let me remind you of these parting words.
The monkey's dead, the show's over. Sue you, Dad dead,

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