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Speaker 1 (00:01):
New Yorker who is toxic?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
This is the seventy seven WABC Mini Cast, and every
week our first segment is a very very critical and
very very important segment with my beloved full disclosure, my
wife Flynshaw, and she is the founder of Lyns Warriors.
(00:26):
She is Lynz Warriors on YouTube and Lynn's Underscore Warriors
on X. Tonight's topic, Big tech keeps selling AI, but
the public is increasingly rejecting it, especially for children, and AI,
as you know, is everywhere. In fact, a recent survey
(00:47):
says at about eighty two percent of the American public
rejects AI from pop up data centers across the US.
Talk of AI education in the class rooms, Capitol Hill,
discuss the AI NonStop and voting on legislation sort of,
we'll talk about that, and the White House figuring out
(01:09):
how to best address best address the issue. Now every
week there's another announcement, another product, another promise that AI
will change our lives. And I'm also going to tell
you there's a lot going on right now too, which
but I don't want to explain this to you. Let's
have our guest. She is, of course the leader, if
you will, the founder and director of Lynd's Warriors, My wife, Lyndshaw,
(01:30):
Welcome to Warrior Weekend, young lady.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Good evening, my husband. First, let's start with a big
thanks for you for always focusing on what you know
we work on at the Warriors each and every day.
It is so urgent and so important for the American
public to hear about these things that they don't really
hear a lot about in the media.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
And by the way, one thing too, you talk sometimes
about bipartisan and I know it's it's sometimes I think
it's rather pateller, a bit acxiomatic for people to necessarily
whenever anybody hears our Governor Hokel, people say, oh, but
you know what, shout out to her. What has she
(02:17):
done that is noteworthy regarding AI.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Listen, she is the first New York she's the first
governor in the whole nation, Kathy Hochel. She signed the
first law against building these massive, you know, air sucking,
water sucking, electricity sucking data centers in New York State,
the first governor to do so. She does not want
(02:43):
these in New York State.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
You know, I I there's also something too, but I
want I don't want to dwell too much on it
because sometimes it's very easy to kind of sound like
you want this, but I am sorry to say that
I predict We'll put it this way. I want people
to be very careful that the anger that people are
(03:09):
exhibiting regarding AI and the like is very similar to
the anger that people saw with Luigi Mangoni and healthcare,
and that a lot of well, you can explain this.
A lot of AI from Altman and Anthropic on down,
are very concerned as to their safety. People are worried
about sabotage. The public is not embracing AI and data
(03:33):
centers at all. Explain.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah, you know, these big tech CEOs worried about their safety.
But you know what, Lionel, I am worried about the
safety of our children and families in America with the Internet,
with online with big tech, with social media harms. Enough
about them with their trillions and trillions of dollars and
they don't even have looks. I don't want to be
the morality police here. They don't have the decency to
(03:59):
put some guardrails on their products design. Let's talk about
big tech as a product design to help everybody with
keeping kids safe with this runaway train, there is no regulation.
The government is basically in favor of all of this
powerful technology, including AI. Okay, and we are pro innovation,
(04:21):
pro technology. I like to always point that out. I
also like to point out you mentioned by parison. Yes,
and this is the one issue where we have in Washington, okay,
and in the States coming together Democrats and Republicans to
work on all of this. But here's the thing. You know,
Americans are not rejecting technology as a whole. They're rejecting
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this idea that technology. We have learned from the last
thirty years of basically the Internet born in nineteen ninety six,
that without any kind of common sense safeguards, some guardrails,
we have seen what has happened to our kids. Okay,
the isolation, the mental health, you know, all of this.
(05:05):
And you know what, they don't want it with AI,
this artificial intelligence. So right now they are pushing back Americans. Okay,
they don't want these data centers. They're popping up seemingly
in residential neighborhood you know, in people's backyards. I do
not exaggerate, and people report and send pictures. You know,
(05:26):
they make so much noise and they have light and
this is twenty four hours a day and they're just
these massive, ugly places and the state of Texas has
the largest, by the way, and follow the red police.
Senator Ted Cruz is the one voting on August fifth
with his Commerce Committee now to explain this well for
(05:46):
our kids Online Safety Act Senate Version seventeen forty eight
that we the warriors have been talking about and working
on for four point five years with the American public
and families to just have a duty of care. And
that means a piece of legislation that says, you know what,
big tech, have a reasonable duty of care. You put
out a product, do everything you know kind of in
(06:07):
your power to make it a safe product. Let's keep
talking about product designer. We're not talking about censorship, but
what people are talking about online. We're not talking about shutting,
banning anything down. We're talking about you have a duty
of care when you put out a product. I mean,
after all, I buy a mattress. It's defective, right that
you know, they have all kinds of testing and things
(06:27):
like that. You've got seatbelt, you got bicycle helmets. How
about a food product it goes bad, there's a recall.
We have to keep pushing on this, and the public
has to know they have to participate and help us
contact their legislators. They don't want this AI. And it
seems now people are waking up and finding these massive
structures in their neighborhoods.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
A couple of things here, let's let's be share we
to this. AI can be great. AI can actually, if
it can help, it can do so much later on
in the area of another that I've done correctly, in
the area of let's say radiology in breast cancer detection.
(07:09):
What if there was it because it learns, It has
it's llms and language models, and it learns it, it
teaches itself. But what if, for example, they say that
you could go through some mimography programs can can read,
you know, can take basically every mammogram that's ever been
done and compare it and learn women can get results.
(07:31):
And so that's wonderful. So nobody is saying stop AI,
get rid of AI. That's like saying get rid of computers,
get rid of TV, get rid of radio. No the
But there's two things you mentioned the design. Well, first,
before I do this, what's the White House doing? What
what's the administration doing? And what do you suggest President
Trump should do.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Well. The first thing I suggest President Trump should be
doing is in all of this conversation, okay, in his
administers around child safety, he should be having parents at
the table. This is the thing in Washington may lack.
We have what we call now unfortunately it's horrific, thousands
(08:13):
of survivor families, their children have been harmed by big tech,
whether it's sextortion, cyber bullying, eating disorders. These kids are
no longer with us, encouraged by it could be a
TikTok challenge, things they learned online. Why do we know
this because a lot of these parents went through their
children's phones after their debts or their journals and they
(08:35):
learned all of this. So in all of this talk,
we need to have these parents who briefly have come
forward for those who can't is there's thousands across our country,
and sit them down in the Oval office and have
a constructive conversation. Because right now you've got these big
tech people around President Trump. They are Silicon Valley. That
(08:56):
is their agenda, that is their interest in being a
global leader, in ruling the world and being powerful, and
they don't care about the families and the children. So
we are urging a President Trump have these parents at
the table part of these discussions. But I want to
get back to I mentioned Senator Ted Cruz and the
importance of this Kid's Online Safety Act. He is a
(09:20):
Senator from Texas. Texas is the state with the most
eighteen plus more being built of these massive AI data centers.
He also is the chair of the Commerce Committee, where
our Kids Online Safety Act is hanging right now after
all these years, to be voted on on August fifth.
(09:43):
So kind of follow the thread. Take what you want
from what I just said. But big tech has the money,
the power, and that's what everybody wants. In Washington, President
Trump has surrounded we sought at the inauguration sitting behind
him where all the big tech CEOs. Big Tech has
certainly helped finance the ballroom, their building, and the UFC event.
(10:06):
They seem to be involved. And just today the Warriors,
I guess I should say yesterday. Now our coalition meeting
we do every Friday with Washington, and we learned today
this quarter that big Tech spends two hundred and thirty
thousand plus dollars per day on Capitol Hill, a lobbyists
(10:28):
to fight child safety legislation. Now, what does that tell everybody?
What does that tell everybody? Too? Well, thirty thousand plus
a day on lobbyists, you.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Know what's funny Without going into too specific, sometimes it
has been popular in politics to decry big money different
whether it's big tech, whether it's big agra, whether it
it was a gun lobby years ago, the climate lobby.
(11:01):
Certain Middle Eastern people take great offense to that, and
that's fine. We're not going to argue the point. This
maybe of them all the biggest concerted effort to lobby
and basically control government of all of the various lobbies combined.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I mean, it absolutely is. And the White House right now,
with all of this out there, with our various you know,
across the country, parents and organizations and the warriors constantly
going to capital, the going to the White House. Look,
the White House by now should launch a nationwide campaign
in public education about AI. We've done it with again,
(11:44):
the smoking seatbelts, the opioids. Americans deserve straightforward information about
AI at chatbot companions and online scams, all of this
and should be coming out of the White House, and
they should be bringing together the administrations like HHS, Department
of Education, the FTC. How about educators, pediatricians Again, I
(12:06):
mentioned families, child safety organizations to develop. Everybody needs to
come together. Everybody's doing this little piecemeale thing. Nobody knows
what the other one is doing. I keep hearing in Washington, well,
we don't know what that they're doing there. I don't
understand why aren't they all coming together in the name
of the American public. I mean, they work for us.
We can't wait. We cannot wait for another generation of
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kids to be harmed before taking action. It is happening
in real time. I do not understand this is a
public health issue.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
We're talking to Lin Shaw from Lyn's Warriors Lyn's Warriors
on YouTube and Lin's Underscore Warriors on x I Associate Twitter.
We just I still think we need to tell people
whenever people you mentioned about kids being hurt chatbots. A
lot of folks still, as much as as conversant as
(12:59):
you and I might be, a lot of folks are
not explain if you could, what this means and what
the threat is, what the problem is as to chatbots.
What are chatbots? And why why would these companies or
anybody for that matter, have something that is permitted to
be in the stream of commerce that tells and suggest
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to kids to harm themselves and also not only harm themselves,
kill themselves. And I'll even help you write a suicide note.
I'm not making this up so that there was a
lot of questions in there, but I think it's important
that we clarify this.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah, the focus of the Warriors right now is a
I because it is that big wheel with a lot
of spokes, with all kinds of things, you know, each
spoke where it presents something different. Now, look, people can
become very overwhelmed, and they are parents report this to
us all the time, Communities report it to the Warriors.
There's a lot going on. I want to focus right
now on artificial intelligence and our kids. This is what
(14:01):
concerns me the most. AI chatbots and companions. These are
marketed to kids and young people. Look, we know kids
are developing, you know, emotionally and psychologicals, really psychologically during
their teen years. And these systems I want to remind
everybody these chatbots, Okay, these companions. I don't like those words.
(14:23):
You know, it seems like your buddy, your companion. These
are machines These are systems fooling us, fooling our children
that can simulate empathy without possessing an ecosis. The machine
they don't have any empathy. They are not parents, they're
not teachers, they're not counselors, they're not doctors. They are
software machines designed to maximize engagement, because that is what
(14:48):
big tech is about. Engagement. Advertising dollars keep the eyeballs
on the product. No child should develop emotional dependent on
artificial intelligence software a machine, and it's happening and we
have to stop it. We have to do everything in
our power to educate the public. If you take one
thing away from all this talk about artificial intelligence, let's
(15:10):
focus on our kids, our future American adults and leaders,
and it's the AI chatbots, AI companions. Talk to your kids,
understand what it is, do some research. The internet is
great for betting out and finding research. Don't be one
of those that says, we didn't have the internet in
my day. You didn't have it. I didn't have it.
But we know about it, we're conversed. We use it
(15:33):
to our advantage, and people have to get on board.
Because I am afraid and I never use that word
afraid of what's going to become of our kids and
our young adults in the next five years.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
You know what's interesting as a lot of people now
are doing this, and I suggest people at home do this.
Ask you whether you use a claude or h GPT
or Opening Eye or whatever your platform is. But people
are asking, actually asking AI programs, are you real? Are
you fake? Are you do you know? What?
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Do you know?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
The answer? Are you controlled? Is your Are are you
here to harm me or hurt me? And sometimes their
responses are shocking because everybody thinks that they're clear. You've
heard about, for example, AI programs hallucinating. You've heard about
how in cloning programs. I'm not cloning people who are coding.
(16:32):
I should say that that the codes are not that great.
This is not as fool proof as people think. Now,
where do you see this going in terms of or
let me ask you, I'll be back up. Are you
seeing enough of doctors and psychiatrists and people weighing in
in terms of this being a health issue?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
No, I'm not seeing at all. You know, as I
wrack my brain and think, you know, HHS has to
get involved in this again. The White House with with
putting a plan out. Look, we had a lot of
talk about AI in the classrooms K through twelve, a
big launch last year about that. Many teachers report, we
don't even know what this is. What exactly is the program?
(17:12):
What is the protocol? What? What what was expected of us?
What nobody's coming together about all this? It seems to
be again this just free for all, runaway train control
by big tech. And no, you know, there are a
lot of good doctors of you know, mental health counselors,
educators trying to get a handle on it. But unless
(17:34):
we have some sort of uniform where we're all in
the same messaging we're given you know, the playbook, you know,
how can we across this country come together about all
of this? Look, recently, there was about a week and
a half ago a massive protest against these AI data centers. Okay,
media didn't even pick up on it. Basically it was
(17:55):
forty two states with one hundred and forty two pro
test saying we don't want this, We don't want this
in our neighborhood, we don't want this for our kids.
You know, So unless unless we have I can can
you think of a better way? We needed to come
from the top. We need to have a formal kind
of you know, different departments again like AJHS, you know,
(18:16):
Department of Education, the White House coming together. I don't
really understand, Lionel, why they're not, except I do understand,
and it's a bad answer. It's a bad thought. It's
because big tech has the power and the money, and
people in Washington like power and money. You know.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I also think that every now and then there's ah,
this is just my opinion. Bobby Kennedy will do pull ups,
or he'll talk about red dye number three, or he'll
grab a snake, or he'll he'll he'll actually endorse suggesting
beef tallow actual saturated fat is a form of cooking potatoes.
(18:58):
It okay, find it's a free kind. Out of that,
Out of all of that discussion about methylene blue, remember
that the blue dye on his tongue. Out of all
of this, nobody talks about it. It's still the best
kept secret. Let me just explain something. This is what
I don't think people understand. You can't turn a I
(19:22):
off once it gets going. It's not like see what
people think of they think of chat GPT or Claude
or Gemini or this very basic. This is more like
LLLM stuff and helping you, you know, craft recipes. When
this gets going, it is going to because of this
(19:43):
concept called recursive self improvement. It runs itself, it programs itself.
We need people, and you've talked to some of the
smartest people around today explaining how not only is it dangerous,
but if you could explain how sometimes the legislation, after
(20:04):
it's been reviewed and poured over by experts, they'll realize
there has no teeth in it, or there's a section
that excludes it sounds it's got a great name, children's
you know, safety. But it seems like to me from
what I'm hearing, Washington just doesn't seem to care. It's
(20:25):
not a priority, or the money is so great, they're
just kicking the can down the road again.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Fifty the money. Well, I'm saying yes to all of
what you just said, working so hard on all of
this with a lot of great other warriors across the country.
I think Washington really doesn't care. It hurts me to
say that. I think Washington is impressed with the money, okay,
and impressed with the power, as I pointed out, And
let's be realistic. The playbook out of big tech is
(20:56):
always blaming the parents. Right, You see the pylon I
get when I post about Kids Online Safety Act.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Oh my god, explain, well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Those are bots. I'm sure those are bots employed.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
We'll explain, but explain, but tell people what you were
under that there are bots. I don't know where they're
from or where they originate.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
But you are.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Deluged with people with vicious attacks, and these are and
you can.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Always tell shut down for the vicious language, vicious things
they say to me, which I frankly don't care because
I'm a warrior. But think about that child who gets
a pile on like that, And that's why kids harm themselves.
They can't take it. Their their brains can't handle this.
If I didn't know better, line on right now, I
would think this is me saying this. If I didn't
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know better, I would think big tech is writing a
lot of these child safety bills because when the lawyers
and dilute them, it's all basically in favor of big tech. Okay,
they sound good. Why do we need a piece of
legislation you know that's a thousand pages or something for
(22:06):
some child safety legislation where big tech lawyers can go
in and find so many loopholes. Okay, give us three pages.
You know what I mean of what it is? Not
a thousand. I'm not nagerating here. You know all these
pages where they can find a loophole and every other paragraph.
So look, parents, let's talk about this. Parents absolutely have
(22:28):
a responsibility in today's world. Let's be realistic to step
up to understand what's going on to talk to their kids.
You buy a device, you've got a responsibility. Okay, but
no parent can monitor every algorithm, every chat bot, every update,
every platform twenty four hours a day because these apps
and platforms popping up all day long. We don't, you know,
(22:52):
expect parents to inspect every toy or automobile before it's sold, right, well,
I think the toys though, You're going to have to
start and inspect thing because are coming out with a
lot of AI toys for the upcoming holiday season. But
companies have the responsibility to line This is the part
I do not understand. It is the only business big tech.
There are no regulation. Children's safety must be built into
(23:16):
products from the start, just like they are for many toys.
For many you know again, I wish it is the
analogy because people can understand that with the seat belts
and the bicycle helmets built in, why is this big
tech allowed to do all of this? This is ruining
our country, ruining our society, and I haven't right now listen,
(23:36):
it's a national security threat. This is it. They are
concerned about global domination and AI, and I'm sure China
is probably ahead of us already, and absolutely concern should
be on our citizens and on our kids and empowering them.
And I'm so I mentioned something. There's terrific AI that
could help, you know, tutor kids because we're failing academically
(23:57):
in this country K through twelve, that could run power them,
no and really health teachers and be so great. Okay,
China uses you know, for their history and for nature
and for why aren't we doing that? And also there's
terrific AI programs that can find all those predators in seconds,
right with all those URLs and things there are always
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in other countries, and you know what I hear from
law enforcement all the time. We don't have the money,
we don't have the resources to buy that software. Can
you imagine in this country our government cannot provide law
enforcement with the resources to help protect our children and families.
It's unbelievable. And I hear this on a daily basis.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
And we also think, by the way, a couple of
things when it's kind of a cop out, when people
will say, while it's the parents' responsibility, well, you know,
believe it or not. Like you said, seatbelts, I remember,
and I remember. I think we're old enough to remember
that there was a time where we didn't have child
safety tops. On medication. Now it's a given, but there
(25:05):
was no such thing. You had, no such thing as that.
I remember before we had seat belts and nobody said
stop driving or stop using medication. That wasn't it. It
was so simple. But the thing you have to ask
yourself is this, what is it that they have in mind?
If you said, if you argued content, if you argued
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you know, the subject matter, why would somebody, why would
anybody in their right mind take offence at you saying
you can't allow or you must take into account that
some of your bots are actually encouraging kids to harm themselves.
And what they really want to tell you is either
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they cannot control that which is dangerous in its own right,
or it was designed to do it. So why do
you think they look the other way planning something down
the road which is so nefarious and so scary where
they can turn a switch and you can have I
don't want to be too too crazy here, but kids
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are encouraged to harm themselves on moss. Why would they
be reluctant to make it safe from kids harming themselves
unless that was the goal.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Again, there is no regulation. They are power hungry, They
live in bunkers, they have multiple mansions. Many of these
CEOs themselves have admitted it's on record. We don't even
allow our children to be anybody you know, oh Zuckerberg media. Absolutely,
but it's good enough for all the other kids. And
think about I mentioned before, a national security threat. What
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better way than to get your young okay, to turn
against their parents their communities absolutely is to infiltrate their brains.
Now I would have thrown a few years ago this
is crazy stuff, but I'm in it every day and
this is the only thing I can see, and we're
seeing that play out, whether whether it's shootings and kids
(27:07):
with knives and kids who don't remember things that they did,
and so many kids are in courts. I'm seeing so
many storiesline on war warre kids have murdered their parents.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Oh yes, horrible, horrible.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Stories all of a sudden. And you know what, what
better way again? You turn your young on, you know,
the elders, and to just ruin society. Well now, people
as you know, and you can see it. I don't
understand why, Washington Cancer.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
You're going to be called a conspiracy theorist and don't
forget as well as as gor Vidale says, I'm not
a conspiracy theorist. I'm a conspiracy analyst. Lynshaw from Lyn's Warriors,
Lynswarriors dot Org, Lyn's Warriors on YouTube and Lynn's Underscore
Warriors on X as usual. My darling, thank you. This
(27:56):
is such a critical, crucial and important issue. We are
not going to stop. We're going to make sure people
know more about this, no matter how long it takes.
Thank you so much, my darling. We will talk very
very soon, literally much. Thank you so much. Coming up
more on another side of Midnight with Me on line
New Yorker who is toxic?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
This is the seventy seven WABC Mini Cast, and every
week our first segment is a very very critical and
very very important segment with my beloved full disclosure, my
wife Flynshaw, and she is the founder of Lyns Warriors.
(00:26):
She is Lynz Warriors on YouTube and Lynn's Underscore Warriors
on X. Tonight's topic, Big tech keeps selling AI, but
the public is increasingly rejecting it, especially for children, and AI,
as you know, is everywhere. In fact, a recent survey
(00:47):
says at about eighty two percent of the American public
rejects AI from pop up data centers across the US.
Talk of AI education in the class rooms, Capitol Hill,
discuss the AI NonStop and voting on legislation sort of,
we'll talk about that, and the White House figuring out
(01:09):
how to best address best address the issue. Now every
week there's another announcement, another product, another promise that AI
will change our lives. And I'm also going to tell
you there's a lot going on right now too, which
but I don't want to explain this to you. Let's
have our guest. She is, of course the leader, if
you will, the founder and director of Lynd's Warriors, My wife, Lyndshaw,
(01:30):
Welcome to Warrior Weekend, young lady.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Good evening, my husband. First, let's start with a big
thanks for you for always focusing on what you know
we work on at the Warriors each and every day.
It is so urgent and so important for the American
public to hear about these things that they don't really
hear a lot about in the media.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
And by the way, one thing too, you talk sometimes
about bipartisan and I know it's it's sometimes I think
it's rather pateller, a bit acxiomatic for people to necessarily
whenever anybody hears our Governor Hokel, people say, oh, but
you know what, shout out to her. What has she
(02:17):
done that is noteworthy regarding AI.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Listen, she is the first New York she's the first
governor in the whole nation, Kathy Hochel. She signed the
first law against building these massive, you know, air sucking,
water sucking, electricity sucking data centers in New York State,
the first governor to do so. She does not want
(02:43):
these in New York State.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
You know, I I there's also something too, but I
want I don't want to dwell too much on it
because sometimes it's very easy to kind of sound like
you want this, but I am sorry to say that
I predict We'll put it this way. I want people
to be very careful that the anger that people are
(03:09):
exhibiting regarding AI and the like is very similar to
the anger that people saw with Luigi Mangoni and healthcare,
and that a lot of well, you can explain this.
A lot of AI from Altman and Anthropic on down,
are very concerned as to their safety. People are worried
about sabotage. The public is not embracing AI and data
(03:33):
centers at all. Explain.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah, you know, these big tech CEOs worried about their safety.
But you know what, Lionel, I am worried about the
safety of our children and families in America with the Internet,
with online with big tech, with social media harms. Enough
about them with their trillions and trillions of dollars and
they don't even have looks. I don't want to be
the morality police here. They don't have the decency to
(03:59):
put some guardrails on their products design. Let's talk about
big tech as a product design to help everybody with
keeping kids safe with this runaway train, there is no regulation.
The government is basically in favor of all of this
powerful technology, including AI. Okay, and we are pro innovation,
(04:21):
pro technology. I like to always point that out. I
also like to point out you mentioned by parison. Yes,
and this is the one issue where we have in Washington, okay,
and in the States coming together Democrats and Republicans to
work on all of this. But here's the thing. You know,
Americans are not rejecting technology as a whole. They're rejecting
(04:43):
this idea that technology. We have learned from the last
thirty years of basically the Internet born in nineteen ninety six,
that without any kind of common sense safeguards, some guardrails,
we have seen what has happened to our kids. Okay,
the isolation, the mental health, you know, all of this.
(05:05):
And you know what, they don't want it with AI,
this artificial intelligence. So right now they are pushing back Americans. Okay,
they don't want these data centers. They're popping up seemingly
in residential neighborhood you know, in people's backyards. I do
not exaggerate, and people report and send pictures. You know,
(05:26):
they make so much noise and they have light and
this is twenty four hours a day and they're just
these massive, ugly places and the state of Texas has
the largest, by the way, and follow the red police.
Senator Ted Cruz is the one voting on August fifth
with his Commerce Committee now to explain this well for
(05:46):
our kids Online Safety Act Senate Version seventeen forty eight
that we the warriors have been talking about and working
on for four point five years with the American public
and families to just have a duty of care. And
that means a piece of legislation that says, you know what,
big tech, have a reasonable duty of care. You put
out a product, do everything you know kind of in
(06:07):
your power to make it a safe product. Let's keep
talking about product designer. We're not talking about censorship, but
what people are talking about online. We're not talking about shutting,
banning anything down. We're talking about you have a duty
of care when you put out a product. I mean,
after all, I buy a mattress. It's defective, right that
you know, they have all kinds of testing and things
(06:27):
like that. You've got seatbelt, you got bicycle helmets. How
about a food product it goes bad, there's a recall.
We have to keep pushing on this, and the public
has to know they have to participate and help us
contact their legislators. They don't want this AI. And it
seems now people are waking up and finding these massive
structures in their neighborhoods.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
A couple of things here, let's let's be share we
to this. AI can be great. AI can actually, if
it can help, it can do so much later on
in the area of another that I've done correctly, in
the area of let's say radiology in breast cancer detection.
(07:09):
What if there was it because it learns, It has
it's llms and language models, and it learns it, it
teaches itself. But what if, for example, they say that
you could go through some mimography programs can can read,
you know, can take basically every mammogram that's ever been
done and compare it and learn women can get results.
(07:31):
And so that's wonderful. So nobody is saying stop AI,
get rid of AI. That's like saying get rid of computers,
get rid of TV, get rid of radio. No the
But there's two things you mentioned the design. Well, first,
before I do this, what's the White House doing? What
what's the administration doing? And what do you suggest President
Trump should do.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Well. The first thing I suggest President Trump should be
doing is in all of this conversation, okay, in his
administers around child safety, he should be having parents at
the table. This is the thing in Washington may lack.
We have what we call now unfortunately it's horrific, thousands
(08:13):
of survivor families, their children have been harmed by big tech,
whether it's sextortion, cyber bullying, eating disorders. These kids are
no longer with us, encouraged by it could be a
TikTok challenge, things they learned online. Why do we know
this because a lot of these parents went through their
children's phones after their debts or their journals and they
(08:35):
learned all of this. So in all of this talk,
we need to have these parents who briefly have come
forward for those who can't is there's thousands across our country,
and sit them down in the Oval office and have
a constructive conversation. Because right now you've got these big
tech people around President Trump. They are Silicon Valley. That
(08:56):
is their agenda, that is their interest in being a
global leader, in ruling the world and being powerful, and
they don't care about the families and the children. So
we are urging a President Trump have these parents at
the table part of these discussions. But I want to
get back to I mentioned Senator Ted Cruz and the
importance of this Kid's Online Safety Act. He is a
(09:20):
Senator from Texas. Texas is the state with the most
eighteen plus more being built of these massive AI data centers.
He also is the chair of the Commerce Committee, where
our Kids Online Safety Act is hanging right now after
all these years, to be voted on on August fifth.
(09:43):
So kind of follow the thread. Take what you want
from what I just said. But big tech has the money,
the power, and that's what everybody wants. In Washington, President
Trump has surrounded we sought at the inauguration sitting behind
him where all the big tech CEOs. Big Tech has
certainly helped finance the ballroom, their building, and the UFC event.
(10:06):
They seem to be involved. And just today the Warriors,
I guess I should say yesterday. Now our coalition meeting
we do every Friday with Washington, and we learned today
this quarter that big Tech spends two hundred and thirty
thousand plus dollars per day on Capitol Hill, a lobbyists
(10:28):
to fight child safety legislation. Now, what does that tell everybody?
What does that tell everybody? Too? Well, thirty thousand plus
a day on lobbyists, you.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Know what's funny Without going into too specific, sometimes it
has been popular in politics to decry big money different
whether it's big tech, whether it's big agra, whether it
it was a gun lobby years ago, the climate lobby.
(11:01):
Certain Middle Eastern people take great offense to that, and
that's fine. We're not going to argue the point. This
maybe of them all the biggest concerted effort to lobby
and basically control government of all of the various lobbies combined.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I mean, it absolutely is. And the White House right now,
with all of this out there, with our various you know,
across the country, parents and organizations and the warriors constantly
going to capital, the going to the White House. Look,
the White House by now should launch a nationwide campaign
in public education about AI. We've done it with again,
(11:44):
the smoking seatbelts, the opioids. Americans deserve straightforward information about
AI at chatbot companions and online scams, all of this
and should be coming out of the White House, and
they should be bringing together the administrations like HHS, Department
of Education, the FTC. How about educators, pediatricians Again, I
(12:06):
mentioned families, child safety organizations to develop. Everybody needs to
come together. Everybody's doing this little piecemeale thing. Nobody knows
what the other one is doing. I keep hearing in Washington, well,
we don't know what that they're doing there. I don't
understand why aren't they all coming together in the name
of the American public. I mean, they work for us.
We can't wait. We cannot wait for another generation of
(12:28):
kids to be harmed before taking action. It is happening
in real time. I do not understand this is a
public health issue.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
We're talking to Lin Shaw from Lyn's Warriors Lyn's Warriors
on YouTube and Lin's Underscore Warriors on x I Associate Twitter.
We just I still think we need to tell people
whenever people you mentioned about kids being hurt chatbots. A
lot of folks still, as much as as conversant as
(12:59):
you and I might be, a lot of folks are
not explain if you could, what this means and what
the threat is, what the problem is as to chatbots.
What are chatbots? And why why would these companies or
anybody for that matter, have something that is permitted to
be in the stream of commerce that tells and suggest
(13:23):
to kids to harm themselves and also not only harm themselves,
kill themselves. And I'll even help you write a suicide note.
I'm not making this up so that there was a
lot of questions in there, but I think it's important
that we clarify this.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah, the focus of the Warriors right now is a
I because it is that big wheel with a lot
of spokes, with all kinds of things, you know, each
spoke where it presents something different. Now, look, people can
become very overwhelmed, and they are parents report this to
us all the time, Communities report it to the Warriors.
There's a lot going on. I want to focus right
now on artificial intelligence and our kids. This is what
(14:01):
concerns me the most. AI chatbots and companions. These are
marketed to kids and young people. Look, we know kids
are developing, you know, emotionally and psychologicals, really psychologically during
their teen years. And these systems I want to remind
everybody these chatbots, Okay, these companions. I don't like those words.
(14:23):
You know, it seems like your buddy, your companion. These
are machines These are systems fooling us, fooling our children
that can simulate empathy without possessing an ecosis. The machine
they don't have any empathy. They are not parents, they're
not teachers, they're not counselors, they're not doctors. They are
software machines designed to maximize engagement, because that is what
(14:48):
big tech is about. Engagement. Advertising dollars keep the eyeballs
on the product. No child should develop emotional dependent on
artificial intelligence software a machine, and it's happening and we
have to stop it. We have to do everything in
our power to educate the public. If you take one
thing away from all this talk about artificial intelligence, let's
(15:10):
focus on our kids, our future American adults and leaders,
and it's the AI chatbots, AI companions. Talk to your kids,
understand what it is, do some research. The internet is
great for betting out and finding research. Don't be one
of those that says, we didn't have the internet in
my day. You didn't have it. I didn't have it.
But we know about it, we're conversed. We use it
(15:33):
to our advantage, and people have to get on board.
Because I am afraid and I never use that word
afraid of what's going to become of our kids and
our young adults in the next five years.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
You know what's interesting as a lot of people now
are doing this, and I suggest people at home do this.
Ask you whether you use a claude or h GPT
or Opening Eye or whatever your platform is. But people
are asking, actually asking AI programs, are you real? Are
you fake? Are you do you know? What?
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Do you know?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
The answer? Are you controlled? Is your Are are you
here to harm me or hurt me? And sometimes their
responses are shocking because everybody thinks that they're clear. You've
heard about, for example, AI programs hallucinating. You've heard about
how in cloning programs. I'm not cloning people who are coding.
(16:32):
I should say that that the codes are not that great.
This is not as fool proof as people think. Now,
where do you see this going in terms of or
let me ask you, I'll be back up. Are you
seeing enough of doctors and psychiatrists and people weighing in
in terms of this being a health issue?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
No, I'm not seeing at all. You know, as I
wrack my brain and think, you know, HHS has to
get involved in this again. The White House with with
putting a plan out. Look, we had a lot of
talk about AI in the classrooms K through twelve, a
big launch last year about that. Many teachers report, we
don't even know what this is. What exactly is the program?
(17:12):
What is the protocol? What? What what was expected of us?
What nobody's coming together about all this? It seems to
be again this just free for all, runaway train control
by big tech. And no, you know, there are a
lot of good doctors of you know, mental health counselors,
educators trying to get a handle on it. But unless
(17:34):
we have some sort of uniform where we're all in
the same messaging we're given you know, the playbook, you know,
how can we across this country come together about all
of this? Look, recently, there was about a week and
a half ago a massive protest against these AI data centers. Okay,
media didn't even pick up on it. Basically it was
(17:55):
forty two states with one hundred and forty two pro
test saying we don't want this, We don't want this
in our neighborhood, we don't want this for our kids.
You know, So unless unless we have I can can
you think of a better way? We needed to come
from the top. We need to have a formal kind
of you know, different departments again like AJHS, you know,
(18:16):
Department of Education, the White House coming together. I don't
really understand, Lionel, why they're not, except I do understand,
and it's a bad answer. It's a bad thought. It's
because big tech has the power and the money, and
people in Washington like power and money. You know.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I also think that every now and then there's ah,
this is just my opinion. Bobby Kennedy will do pull ups,
or he'll talk about red dye number three, or he'll
grab a snake, or he'll he'll he'll actually endorse suggesting
beef tallow actual saturated fat is a form of cooking potatoes.
(18:58):
It okay, find it's a free kind. Out of that,
Out of all of that discussion about methylene blue, remember
that the blue dye on his tongue. Out of all
of this, nobody talks about it. It's still the best
kept secret. Let me just explain something. This is what
I don't think people understand. You can't turn a I
(19:22):
off once it gets going. It's not like see what
people think of they think of chat GPT or Claude
or Gemini or this very basic. This is more like
LLLM stuff and helping you, you know, craft recipes. When
this gets going, it is going to because of this
(19:43):
concept called recursive self improvement. It runs itself, it programs itself.
We need people, and you've talked to some of the
smartest people around today explaining how not only is it dangerous,
but if you could explain how sometimes the legislation, after
(20:04):
it's been reviewed and poured over by experts, they'll realize
there has no teeth in it, or there's a section
that excludes it sounds it's got a great name, children's
you know, safety. But it seems like to me from
what I'm hearing, Washington just doesn't seem to care. It's
(20:25):
not a priority, or the money is so great, they're
just kicking the can down the road again.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Fifty the money. Well, I'm saying yes to all of
what you just said, working so hard on all of
this with a lot of great other warriors across the country.
I think Washington really doesn't care. It hurts me to
say that. I think Washington is impressed with the money, okay,
and impressed with the power, as I pointed out, And
let's be realistic. The playbook out of big tech is
(20:56):
always blaming the parents. Right, You see the pylon I
get when I post about Kids Online Safety Act.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Oh my god, explain, well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Those are bots. I'm sure those are bots employed.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
We'll explain, but explain, but tell people what you were
under that there are bots. I don't know where they're
from or where they originate.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
But you are.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Deluged with people with vicious attacks, and these are and
you can.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Always tell shut down for the vicious language, vicious things
they say to me, which I frankly don't care because
I'm a warrior. But think about that child who gets
a pile on like that, And that's why kids harm themselves.
They can't take it. Their their brains can't handle this.
If I didn't know better, line on right now, I
would think this is me saying this. If I didn't
(21:44):
know better, I would think big tech is writing a
lot of these child safety bills because when the lawyers
and dilute them, it's all basically in favor of big tech. Okay,
they sound good. Why do we need a piece of
legislation you know that's a thousand pages or something for
(22:06):
some child safety legislation where big tech lawyers can go
in and find so many loopholes. Okay, give us three pages.
You know what I mean of what it is? Not
a thousand. I'm not nagerating here. You know all these
pages where they can find a loophole and every other paragraph.
So look, parents, let's talk about this. Parents absolutely have
(22:28):
a responsibility in today's world. Let's be realistic to step
up to understand what's going on to talk to their kids.
You buy a device, you've got a responsibility. Okay, but
no parent can monitor every algorithm, every chat bot, every update,
every platform twenty four hours a day because these apps
and platforms popping up all day long. We don't, you know,
(22:52):
expect parents to inspect every toy or automobile before it's sold, right, well,
I think the toys though, You're going to have to
start and inspect thing because are coming out with a
lot of AI toys for the upcoming holiday season. But
companies have the responsibility to line This is the part
I do not understand. It is the only business big tech.
There are no regulation. Children's safety must be built into
(23:16):
products from the start, just like they are for many toys.
For many you know again, I wish it is the
analogy because people can understand that with the seat belts
and the bicycle helmets built in, why is this big
tech allowed to do all of this? This is ruining
our country, ruining our society, and I haven't right now listen,
(23:36):
it's a national security threat. This is it. They are
concerned about global domination and AI, and I'm sure China
is probably ahead of us already, and absolutely concern should
be on our citizens and on our kids and empowering them.
And I'm so I mentioned something. There's terrific AI that
could help, you know, tutor kids because we're failing academically
(23:57):
in this country K through twelve, that could run power them,
no and really health teachers and be so great. Okay,
China uses you know, for their history and for nature
and for why aren't we doing that? And also there's
terrific AI programs that can find all those predators in seconds,
right with all those URLs and things there are always
(24:19):
in other countries, and you know what I hear from
law enforcement all the time. We don't have the money,
we don't have the resources to buy that software. Can
you imagine in this country our government cannot provide law
enforcement with the resources to help protect our children and families.
It's unbelievable. And I hear this on a daily basis.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
And we also think, by the way, a couple of
things when it's kind of a cop out, when people
will say, while it's the parents' responsibility, well, you know,
believe it or not. Like you said, seatbelts, I remember,
and I remember. I think we're old enough to remember
that there was a time where we didn't have child
safety tops. On medication. Now it's a given, but there
(25:05):
was no such thing. You had, no such thing as that.
I remember before we had seat belts and nobody said
stop driving or stop using medication. That wasn't it. It
was so simple. But the thing you have to ask
yourself is this, what is it that they have in mind?
If you said, if you argued content, if you argued
(25:30):
you know, the subject matter, why would somebody, why would
anybody in their right mind take offence at you saying
you can't allow or you must take into account that
some of your bots are actually encouraging kids to harm themselves.
And what they really want to tell you is either
(25:50):
they cannot control that which is dangerous in its own right,
or it was designed to do it. So why do
you think they look the other way planning something down
the road which is so nefarious and so scary where
they can turn a switch and you can have I
don't want to be too too crazy here, but kids
(26:11):
are encouraged to harm themselves on moss. Why would they
be reluctant to make it safe from kids harming themselves
unless that was the goal.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Again, there is no regulation. They are power hungry, They
live in bunkers, they have multiple mansions. Many of these
CEOs themselves have admitted it's on record. We don't even
allow our children to be anybody you know, oh Zuckerberg media. Absolutely,
but it's good enough for all the other kids. And
think about I mentioned before, a national security threat. What
(26:46):
better way than to get your young okay, to turn
against their parents their communities absolutely is to infiltrate their brains.
Now I would have thrown a few years ago this
is crazy stuff, but I'm in it every day and
this is the only thing I can see, and we're
seeing that play out, whether whether it's shootings and kids
(27:07):
with knives and kids who don't remember things that they did,
and so many kids are in courts. I'm seeing so
many storiesline on war warre kids have murdered their parents.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Oh yes, horrible, horrible.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Stories all of a sudden. And you know what, what
better way again? You turn your young on, you know,
the elders, and to just ruin society. Well now, people
as you know, and you can see it. I don't
understand why, Washington Cancer.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
You're going to be called a conspiracy theorist and don't
forget as well as as gor Vidale says, I'm not
a conspiracy theorist. I'm a conspiracy analyst. Lynshaw from Lyn's Warriors,
Lynswarriors dot Org, Lyn's Warriors on YouTube and Lynn's Underscore
Warriors on X as usual. My darling, thank you. This
(27:56):
is such a critical, crucial and important issue. We are
not going to stop. We're going to make sure people
know more about this, no matter how long it takes.
Thank you so much, my darling. We will talk very
very soon, literally much. Thank you so much. Coming up
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