August 8, 2026 • 7 mins
Join Lionel as He Speaks With Lynn Shaw About the Systemic Influence of Big Tech on Child Safety and the Importance of the Kids Online Safety Act. To Which Lynn Spotlight How These Tech Companies Use Massive Financial Resources to Bypass Regulations and Push the Narrative That Online Safety Is Solely a Parental Responsibility.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Who is it that drafts these bills? Because many many times,
and I learned this from just listening to you in
your colleagues, you have to deal with legislation that is
written primarily by big tech itself. So is this what
do you think as far as the the robustness, if
you will, of this bill? Is it a good one?
(00:20):
Does it do the right thing?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Of course? Kids Online Safety X Senate Version seventeen forty eight.
I always throw that in because there were so many
different you know, the House gutted it and had their oldest,
horrible language in it. Things we won't even go into.
We don't have time. But this bill was started, you
know by bipartisan Senator Marshall Blackburn, who just received the
(00:44):
GOP nomination in the state of Tennessee for governor, and
also Senator Richard Blumenthal in Connecticut, and you know, sitting
down with their offices and it would be you know,
lawyers in their offices and staff, and then organizations like
the Warrior Fast Forward. So we're talking about that was
close to five years ago. Now big tech is at
(01:07):
the table running I'm saying this, really running Washington with
all their money on Capitol Hill because they employ so
many lobbyists. I've heard one for one lobbyist for every
four members of Congress. Now, if you read something, I'll say, well,
it's really one for every six. I've been told this,
(01:28):
one for every four. There were you no money, it
could be one for every two. We don't know. These
things are a shrouded mystery. What I think today in
the last few years is increasingly because they are so
welcome big tech. They have the power, they have the money.
They are there in Washington, embedded all over every day
of the week in the ears of our elected officials,
(01:48):
legislative staff. I think today they have a big hand
in writing child safety legislation. Not the Kids Online Safety Act, Okay,
that I know for a fact, But we have other
other pieces of legislation coming forward and they look good,
they sound good, they have good names. But when you
dig them apart, they actually are in favor of big tech.
(02:11):
So it's very criminal what's going on right now. And
you know, I'm always saying, why can't we just have
something that's two three pages long? Three hundred pages? Of course,
and I'm not a lawyer. You are lying on when
you have three hundred pages for a bill. There are
plenty of loopholes, but those lawyers can swoop in. Big
tech has lots of money, lots of lawyers, right, it's
a drop in the bucket lawyers paying all these you know,
(02:33):
legal fees and things like that. So why have these
bills that are three hundred pages long with the loopholes.
Keep them short and tight with bullet points. Kids Online
Safety Act. I stand by Senate Version seventeen forty eight.
It is correct, it is good. Plenty of other bills
right now floating around. I think big tech indeed did
have their hand in helping to create.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
And if anybody is listening, by the way, we're talking
to lyn Sean from Lyn's Warriors. If anybody's listening, they
have the ask the question, why the name of God
is there such a reluctance, such a pushback, such of
such of a parenty an objection to legislation to protections
for kids? Why can't kids safety? Because, by the way,
(03:18):
I just have to say this, I'm not going to
mention this. I'm not going to mention the name. But
there's a certain moron on a certain cable news show
where he was repeating the refrain that it's really up
to the parents that the parents. You see, this isn't
about the devices. He sounds like just a shill for
(03:40):
big tech. This guy is just a poltroon. But in
any event, he said, and people have said this before,
I want to say something very quickly, the difference legally
that we've seen as of late is that for the
first time in a long time, the argument is directed
towards and against the desire of the platforms, not the content,
(04:04):
meaning it's the design. For example, and I say this
all the time, nobody is against medication or pharmaceuticals. Also,
nobody's against using or applying child safety caps to medication.
All that is is the design of the delivery system.
(04:25):
Nobody's against making guns safer. Nobody's gonna get rid of
guns in every walk of life, seatbelts, airbags, everything has
a safety component as to the design. But when it
comes to this, like these poultroons on this one particular
cable show, these hacks, they repeat this, drivel, this, mandra
(04:49):
this rote kind of an incantation that it's the parent job,
and that drives me nuts. Granted, not a very long ride.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Your thoughts, my thoughts are big tech again, it's a
crass answer, but it is the truth. Money drives everything,
and right now big tech has deep, deep pockets, deep
deepest okay, in all of society, not only Capitol Hill,
all around our country. And you know what they've left
(05:20):
the power. People like power and money. So here we
are today and a reminder, you know, it is the
only business, big tech. It is unregulated. Whoever heard of
this linel? There's no guardrails. They're just allowed to run,
you know, wild. And this was born in nineteen ninety
(05:41):
six when we had something called you know, section two
thirty the Communications Decency Act, where we had two platforms
in those days, thirty years ago. You know, grant that
you are just a billboard, you are a news stand
for third party content. But so much has changed, and
we have so many studies now improof of the harms
cause and still there. Yes, there's a movement to sunset
(06:03):
section two thirty. That's next after the Kids Online Safety Act.
But it is so hard because listen, here's the bottom line.
Lots of people are making lots of money off of this,
and people like money. So it's been an uphill battle.
The amounts of money that big tech is spending lobbying
against child safety tells us they are scared. They are
(06:24):
scared because more Americans are awake to this, more government
is coming down on them. And again again that argument
of you know, age verification and my privacy, that's all
garbage because we know now our TVs are listening to us,
our microwaves are probably listening to us, that everybody has
your information or already everybody. So just calm down. This
(06:44):
is about the safety of children. So they are pushing
back big time, big tech. But we have to keep
in mind we have to be trying to be ten
steps ahead of them. You know, AI is here. This
is the most frightening thing right now. So we've got
to put some legislation in place to address all this,
and we have to do it now. We can't just
be cleaning up afterwards. We've got to get in there
(07:05):
ahead and it is a complete thing that we need
everybody in on. We need everybody aware of what's going
on and how you must talk. If you do nothing
about any of this, you must talk in your own
home to your kids and just let them know about safety.
And you have to you know, realize what apps they're
on to the best of your ability, because we know
it's overwhelming and hard to keep up with all of this,
(07:27):
but we're here at the Warriors to help you with
all of this
Who is it that drafts these bills? Because many many times,
and I learned this from just listening to you in
your colleagues, you have to deal with legislation that is
written primarily by big tech itself. So is this what
do you think as far as the the robustness, if
you will, of this bill? Is it a good one?
(00:20):
Does it do the right thing?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Of course? Kids Online Safety X Senate Version seventeen forty eight.
I always throw that in because there were so many
different you know, the House gutted it and had their oldest,
horrible language in it. Things we won't even go into.
We don't have time. But this bill was started, you
know by bipartisan Senator Marshall Blackburn, who just received the
(00:44):
GOP nomination in the state of Tennessee for governor, and
also Senator Richard Blumenthal in Connecticut, and you know, sitting
down with their offices and it would be you know,
lawyers in their offices and staff, and then organizations like
the Warrior Fast Forward. So we're talking about that was
close to five years ago. Now big tech is at
(01:07):
the table running I'm saying this, really running Washington with
all their money on Capitol Hill because they employ so
many lobbyists. I've heard one for one lobbyist for every
four members of Congress. Now, if you read something, I'll say, well,
it's really one for every six. I've been told this,
(01:28):
one for every four. There were you no money, it
could be one for every two. We don't know. These
things are a shrouded mystery. What I think today in
the last few years is increasingly because they are so
welcome big tech. They have the power, they have the money.
They are there in Washington, embedded all over every day
of the week in the ears of our elected officials,
(01:48):
legislative staff. I think today they have a big hand
in writing child safety legislation. Not the Kids Online Safety Act, Okay,
that I know for a fact, But we have other
other pieces of legislation coming forward and they look good,
they sound good, they have good names. But when you
dig them apart, they actually are in favor of big tech.
(02:11):
So it's very criminal what's going on right now. And
you know, I'm always saying, why can't we just have
something that's two three pages long? Three hundred pages? Of course,
and I'm not a lawyer. You are lying on when
you have three hundred pages for a bill. There are
plenty of loopholes, but those lawyers can swoop in. Big
tech has lots of money, lots of lawyers, right, it's
a drop in the bucket lawyers paying all these you know,
(02:33):
legal fees and things like that. So why have these
bills that are three hundred pages long with the loopholes.
Keep them short and tight with bullet points. Kids Online
Safety Act. I stand by Senate Version seventeen forty eight.
It is correct, it is good. Plenty of other bills
right now floating around. I think big tech indeed did
have their hand in helping to create.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
And if anybody is listening, by the way, we're talking
to lyn Sean from Lyn's Warriors. If anybody's listening, they
have the ask the question, why the name of God
is there such a reluctance, such a pushback, such of
such of a parenty an objection to legislation to protections
for kids? Why can't kids safety? Because, by the way,
(03:18):
I just have to say this, I'm not going to
mention this. I'm not going to mention the name. But
there's a certain moron on a certain cable news show
where he was repeating the refrain that it's really up
to the parents that the parents. You see, this isn't
about the devices. He sounds like just a shill for
(03:40):
big tech. This guy is just a poltroon. But in
any event, he said, and people have said this before,
I want to say something very quickly, the difference legally
that we've seen as of late is that for the
first time in a long time, the argument is directed
towards and against the desire of the platforms, not the content,
(04:04):
meaning it's the design. For example, and I say this
all the time, nobody is against medication or pharmaceuticals. Also,
nobody's against using or applying child safety caps to medication.
All that is is the design of the delivery system.
(04:25):
Nobody's against making guns safer. Nobody's gonna get rid of
guns in every walk of life, seatbelts, airbags, everything has
a safety component as to the design. But when it
comes to this, like these poultroons on this one particular
cable show, these hacks, they repeat this, drivel, this, mandra
(04:49):
this rote kind of an incantation that it's the parent job,
and that drives me nuts. Granted, not a very long ride.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Your thoughts, my thoughts are big tech again, it's a
crass answer, but it is the truth. Money drives everything,
and right now big tech has deep, deep pockets, deep
deepest okay, in all of society, not only Capitol Hill,
all around our country. And you know what they've left
(05:20):
the power. People like power and money. So here we
are today and a reminder, you know, it is the
only business, big tech. It is unregulated. Whoever heard of
this linel? There's no guardrails. They're just allowed to run,
you know, wild. And this was born in nineteen ninety
(05:41):
six when we had something called you know, section two
thirty the Communications Decency Act, where we had two platforms
in those days, thirty years ago. You know, grant that
you are just a billboard, you are a news stand
for third party content. But so much has changed, and
we have so many studies now improof of the harms
cause and still there. Yes, there's a movement to sunset
(06:03):
section two thirty. That's next after the Kids Online Safety Act.
But it is so hard because listen, here's the bottom line.
Lots of people are making lots of money off of this,
and people like money. So it's been an uphill battle.
The amounts of money that big tech is spending lobbying
against child safety tells us they are scared. They are
(06:24):
scared because more Americans are awake to this, more government
is coming down on them. And again again that argument
of you know, age verification and my privacy, that's all
garbage because we know now our TVs are listening to us,
our microwaves are probably listening to us, that everybody has
your information or already everybody. So just calm down. This
(06:44):
is about the safety of children. So they are pushing
back big time, big tech. But we have to keep
in mind we have to be trying to be ten
steps ahead of them. You know, AI is here. This
is the most frightening thing right now. So we've got
to put some legislation in place to address all this,
and we have to do it now. We can't just
be cleaning up afterwards. We've got to get in there
(07:05):
ahead and it is a complete thing that we need
everybody in on. We need everybody aware of what's going
on and how you must talk. If you do nothing
about any of this, you must talk in your own
home to your kids and just let them know about safety.
And you have to you know, realize what apps they're
on to the best of your ability, because we know
it's overwhelming and hard to keep up with all of this,
(07:27):
but we're here at the Warriors to help you with
all of this
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