August 9, 2024 • 55 mins
Prepare to be inspired as Josh and Benny step in for Jenna, who's on her way to compete in Australia, and reveal their latest training secrets. Benny opens up about his Olympic-inspired workouts and his innovative use of the lever system to keep training despite an injury. Meanwhile, Josh shares his strategies for juggling intense workouts with injury prevention, emphasizing the constant need to adapt and refine training routines to remain at the peak of performance.
Experience the thrill and unpredictability of triathlon as we recap a fiercely competitive women's event featuring stars like Cassandra Beaugrand, Flora Duffy, and Beth Potter. From tackling challenging course layouts to overcoming early race obstacles like swim confusion and bike crashes, our discussion celebrates the resilience and skill of these top athletes. Relive the excitement of strategic swims and electrifying final runs that define the high-stakes world of triathlon racing.
Finally, delve into the latest triathlon and cycling headlines, including standout performances by Christian Blumenfeld, Alex Yee, and Leo Bergere, and a spotlight on the French team's dominance in mixed relay events. We also scrutinize the strategic choices of athletes like Beth Potter and Taylor Knibb and reflect on American cycling's historic achievements. Plus, get the scoop on the upcoming SuperTri season and the fallout from the Tomas Jeepers doping scandal that has rocked the sports community. Don't miss this episode packed with insightful analysis and the latest news in triathlon and cycling!
Experience the thrill and unpredictability of triathlon as we recap a fiercely competitive women's event featuring stars like Cassandra Beaugrand, Flora Duffy, and Beth Potter. From tackling challenging course layouts to overcoming early race obstacles like swim confusion and bike crashes, our discussion celebrates the resilience and skill of these top athletes. Relive the excitement of strategic swims and electrifying final runs that define the high-stakes world of triathlon racing.
Finally, delve into the latest triathlon and cycling headlines, including standout performances by Christian Blumenfeld, Alex Yee, and Leo Bergere, and a spotlight on the French team's dominance in mixed relay events. We also scrutinize the strategic choices of athletes like Beth Potter and Taylor Knibb and reflect on American cycling's historic achievements. Plus, get the scoop on the upcoming SuperTri season and the fallout from the Tomas Jeepers doping scandal that has rocked the sports community. Don't miss this episode packed with insightful analysis and the latest news in triathlon and cycling!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to another triathlon podcast, the podcast
that brings the electrifyingworld of triathlons right into
your headphones.
Journey into captivatingconversations, share the
excitement of race recaps, enjoythe humor only a triathlete
would understand, and join us aswe debunk myths and bring you
(00:21):
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Miss and bring you the barethrilling truths of the
triathlon world.
So feel your heart pound,breathe in anticipation and get
ready to dive into the world oftriathlon.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
This is another triathlon podcast.
Enjoy the ride.
Welcome back to another episodeof another triathlon podcast
brought to you by Mana Apparel,a little different voice.
This week.
Jenna is off with some familyobligations and has some family
and friends in town, and thenshe's also getting ready for her
big race in Australia.
So tonight you got, fede and I,and we're going to hold it down
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as much as we can and give youas many updates as we can from
what's been going on over inParis and what's coming up in
the Ironman world, and also withsome super fast, quick racing,
with Super Track coming uparound the corner.
So, benny, how are we doing man, how's the training going?
It sounds like you've beenpicking it up and throwing it
down, so how's that been going?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Hey, josh, yeah, I'm missing Jenna over here a little
bit, but no training's beengoing.
Hey, josh, yeah, missing Jennaover here a little bit, but no,
training's been going well.
Feeling inspired with theOlympics, watching a whole bunch
of disciplines that I don'tnormally watch, of course,
following the triathlon andcycling and the athletics up
close with the marathon comingup.
So, yeah, training's been goingwell.
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A lot of volume on the bike andon the run, starting to pick up
the volume as well.
Foot feels great, uh, no pain.
So I'm excited and uh, yeah, Ihave santa cruz 70.3 because I
can make the trip to maine, but,um, yeah, hopefully that works
(02:03):
out well and uh, yeah, excited,excited and happy to be back
training normally andconsistently.
Uh, can't wait, can't wait.
I know, santa cruz, I'm notgoing to be 100 myself, but um,
yeah, just grateful that I'mgoing to be able to race again
and then, uh, using that tobuild towards, um, t100, las
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vegas.
That's going to be my tune-uprace for 70.3 worlds, uh, which
is going to be my age, a racefor the season.
So, yeah, excited and uh, happyto be back on the training
course.
What about you?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I mean you're going to be peaking come telpo, so
yeah, perfect.
It ends up being a blessing indisguise, maybe, and uh this is
true yeah, the season youexpected, but uh, there's still
a way to salvage it for sure,absolutely no.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah, you said probably, probably a blessing in
disguise.
I was wondering how I was goingto keep up the the shape for as
long as the season is.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
But now, with the injury and everything, uh, maybe
everything turns out well thatI'm going to be picking come, uh
, december have you changedanything with your running at
all, that maybe you picked upthat because of the injury or or
any gait or anything that likeyou've done differently, or
shoes, or oh, not, not really,because, uh, the injury was, you
(03:27):
know, accident related, wasn'tlike form, or it was just a I
fell on a rock, but, um, no,using a lot of the lever right
now.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
um, for my quote-unquote long runs, which
are, you know, 90 minute stopsright now, so, being using that
for for the main set of my longruns, I do the warm-up without
it, then put on the lever andthen do the cool-down without it
.
So that's been helping a lot ofkeeping the lungs and heart
strong but taking the impactaway from the legs.
(03:58):
So that's something that I'vebeen using now a little bit more
.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, and for anyone of our listeners that don't know
, and this is not a sponsored ador anything but the lever is
this really cool system that wasdeveloped by a bunch of elite
athletes out in Boulder,colorado, I believe.
That allowed you to remove apercentage of your body weight
with a pulley lever system thatattaches to your treadmill.
(04:25):
So there's a lot of top leveltriathlete triathletes and elite
runners that have been using it.
So definitely check them out.
If you're battling an injury orupping your volume, that's.
Another thing to do is to uhoffset some volume upticks with
it as well, and I've been usingit too, as I get my volume going
very cool, yeah.
(04:48):
So, speaking of volume, I'vebeen kind of chugging along my
uh.
My coach keeps throwing it atme and then the body keeps
responding uh.
So we just keep adding and andtweaking it a little bit.
So even, let's's say, tonightwould normally be a big run day,
hill workout, track workouttype day for me, but we're going
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to do it on the bike instead.
So I'm going to do somethreshold type intervals, a
couple of those, and then maxeffort 10 buys for 20 seconds,
just kind of changing up themuscles and and adding volume
that way without having to toget out and pound the pavement
or the track.
So it's been really cool, thoughI've been doing a lot of track
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workouts and doing a lot of 400s, 800s, 1200s, uh mile repeats,
and then this week I had a sixby one K, or sorry, seven by one
K, with over under, so justabove threshold and then under
threshold for one K.
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So that was really cool to doand just to see the heart rate
not really jump and then alsorecover really quickly at just
under threshold.
So the body is responding tothis volume and really happy
with that.
And and still biking, stillswimming, I still have my.
My next and last triathlon onthe schedule, at least for this
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year, is august 18th at bostontriathlon um, also home of the
first super tri event.
So looking forward to thatweekend In general, we're going
to have a shakeout run with manaperil and human powered health
again that weekend.
So anyone who's in the newEngland area or in the Boston
area that weekend let me know.
We're going to be doing a coolshakeout run that Saturday
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morning, the 17th, and there's agood, good opportunity that
we'll have some Olympicmedalists or some of the Olympic
athletes at the event runningwith us too.
So it'll be really cool to havethat.
And I also had a big time firstthis past weekend and knew there
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was going to be some stormscoming through, and picked a
good route and had it on my, my,my edge, my Garmin computer,
and have my workout on there andhad a pretty easy workout.
But it was um long, it wasabout three hours and we knew we
had a few efforts in it.
So out riding by myself, misseda couple of turns, made a
couple of U-turns and on one ofthose U-turns I was paying
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attention to the computer alittle bit more than I should
have been, trying to figure outwhere that turn was.
That I missed, and it hadalready poured a few times.
And, uh, caught a pothole.
And man, you catch a potholeand you're not looking and the
bike goes flying.
Your clips come out, thankfully, but I said to my coach it was
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like a BMX rider in the Olympics, with the bike completely 45
degrees and you're completelysideways and then the bike goes
away and you go away.
I do thank God that I was in therain, because it made the road
rash less than what it probablywould have been, and I probably
slid 15 feet instead of beingstopped four feet uh after
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hitting the ground but a littlebit of bruising and another hour
and 20 minutes to go on thebike and was able to uh, get up,
shake it off, fix the bars alittle bit and luckily no cars
were coming, that type of thing.
No car stopped, which was weird.
But uh, yeah, that was a scarymoment, but it was a first and
it's out of the way and I've nowdropped a bike and had that
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scary moment and flash flashingin your eyes and what the heck's
going on, and next thing youknow you're back up and riding,
so grateful to uh be able to getback up and run and then do a
run off the bike that night andjust kind of keeping it iced and
mobility wise, and next thing,you know, I don't even really
feel it anymore.
So lucky there and again happyto get it out of the way yeah,
(08:57):
yeah, no, that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I mean, like the saying goes, there's only two
types of cyclists the ones whowho have already fallen and the
ones who are about to fall.
So it's nothing, it's part ofthe job, I guess.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
So, if you're listening, send us in your story
, drop a DM on Instagram, drop acomment on Instagram.
Maybe we'll put up a post andpeople can tell us about their
first time crash.
And if you haven't had one, godyou, it's not.
I do not wish it on anyone but,like fanny said, you do know,
uh, who you are.
But it's, uh, it's, uh,definitely a experience I don't
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want to have to have again for awhile.
I'd rather have a flat left andright.
It was also cool, I did.
I mean, like we mentioned, Iwas out.
I actually took the race wheelsoff and was riding on my my my
regular training wheels too, andheld up great, um, but it was,
uh, it was maybe just you.
(09:56):
You got to stay focused,especially these days, right,
and it was a good lesson tolearn to, uh, even when you're
using a Garmin computer or acomputer or anything with with
the map, try and learn the routebefore you go.
I think, that's kind of one ofthose lessons, um.
So onwards we go and uh, I'mhealthy, so thankful for that
(10:20):
and uh, the training's goingwell and marathon build is is
full-blown and we're gonna gotry and have fun at olympic
triathlon as well, so lookingforward to that.
Speaking of olympic triathlons,uh, since we are recording a
few days later than normal,we've got two individual
triathlons, mixed triathlon, acouple road races to talk about.
(10:41):
So, betty Fede, why don't youkick us off?
Do we want to start with themen's or the women's?
Speaker 3 (10:47):
race, let's go in chronological order.
Yeah, let's go in chronologicalorder.
Let's start with the women.
Well, first of all, we starteddebating if there was actually
going to be a triathlon becauseParis had a lot of rain in the
days leading up to theyrescheduled the event, uh, so,
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yeah, it was wild and, uh, itwas amazing to see how hard or
how strong the current was, uh,due to the rain that the
athletes had to go through, and,uh, it was, at some points it
looked like they were, they wereswimming still, and then, of a
sudden, they were blazing fast.
On the girls' side, we had therace favorites in the likes of
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Cassandra Begrant, georgiaTaylor-Brown, flora Duffy, beth
Potter, the veteran, rachelKlammer, from the Netherlands,
climber from the netherlands, um, I mean taylor spivey from the
us, laura lindemann, uh, theuber biker, maya kingma, uh, of
course, uh, from the us, we hadthis superstar cyclist and
(11:56):
triathlete, taylor nibb.
So it was a stack, stack fieldand these olympic races, they
are everything but world, uh,record, uh, shattering events.
Not that there there are worldrecords in triathlon, because
every course is different.
And I got a little that, got alittle bit into my nerves
because, uh, I was watching iton the, on the spanish
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broadcaster and she wasconstantly saying that X course
was faster, this Olympics Xathlete was faster on the swim,
and I was like, no, each courseis different.
Just shut up and yeah.
So anyways, we had a local, andI guess doing a race in
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Homeland either can make orbreak your race.
Some athletes use that energy tochannel the best of themselves
and some others just fall withthe pressure, and this was the
case in 2012 with AlistairBrownlee and Johnny Brownlee,
and now the French had a lot ofpressure, especially well, on
the men's side, leaving outVincent Louis, but now on the
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girls' side, they had CassandraBeaugrand, who's a very strong
athlete, emma Lombardi, leonPerriol so just super strong
athletes, and it was a very,very eventful race.
We had rain on the event andthere were a lot of falls, and
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we saw the experience of FloraDuffy taking in.
She took the race from theget-go using, you know, being
super smart on the swim and thenbeing the uber biker that she
is just exploiting every singleinch of that course.
She didn't fail off the bike assome other athletes did.
Some athletes' Olympics race wasover on the bike and just a lot
(13:50):
of girls falling off, but youknow, flora, being the current
Olympic champion, came intotransition first, and then we
saw a class run from CassandraVaugrand from France.
She was just moving at adifferent pace from everyone and
taking the race by herself.
She took the win in 1.54.55,running at 32.42.
(14:15):
And not bad and was probably adark horse for some.
But this girl is a very strongathlete and I think her strength
lies in middle and longdistance racing.
From switzerland, julie de ron.
Oh my god, how the the factthat she ran also in the 32s 32,
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51, uh.
And she rode 57 minutes, uh,some 22.
So it was just amazing racingfrom her.
And in third place we had BethPotter from Great Britain, who
surprisingly did not have thefastest run split because she
already went to an Olympics intrack and field and everybody
was expecting her to have asuper solid run.
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But no, it was Cassandra withthe fastest run split and taking
the win in home soil.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
It was interesting from the beginning, like you
said, even with the swim and thefact that they had the crowd
noise going and amping up thecrowd with the music probably
wasn't the smartest thing to do,because the swim start beep was
the same beep that they useinside at the pool, where you
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can hear a little better thanyou can outside.
um yeah, so I'd say what?
Maybe two-thirds of the, thefemale swimmers, started at the
same time and then there was agroup of which I believe taylor
nibb was included in, that kindof sat on the platform and went
late when there was an air hornfrom a fan.
So that was unfortunate, andwhen you get that early lead in
(15:53):
a down river swim like that, itdoes set some separation out and
you could tell that they wereplaying catch up.
That group from the pontoonreally never got back into the
race, I don't think and yeah no,and flora.
I think flora set the tone forevery swimming event in the sand
this whole week and she showedpeople what the best route is by
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hugging the coastline andhugging the weeds and hugging
the boats and hugging the bargesand cutting back in at the last
minute.
Even though you had to swim alittle longer distance, you were
going to use less effort.
So she certainly did what sheneeded to do to give herself a
chance, and I think she neededto do a 40k tt and then get out
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in front and she just couldn'thold on with the the level of
talent that's on the bike thesedays and you get a few of them
together.
They're going to track her down.
So, um, it was a really coolrace to see and that run was
just super fast, super special,and and that's where, when, when
you are the golden child ofFrance and you do get that crowd
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going, it's going to pick youup and all those nerves of
having to hold court kind of goaway.
And I think we kind of talkedabout that last week too on our
episode Do you feel the pressureor not?
And I think she just got intothe race and fell into her own
zone once she caught up and offand running, she went.
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So I mean it was a really coolrace.
It was unfortunate to seeTaylor Nibb not be a factor and
it was unfortunate to seeKirsten Kasper be one of those
casualties on the bike with thecourse and then the mechanicals
and Taylor Spivey had a greatrace um individually she was in
the mix, so you can't ask foranything more than that, but
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definitely not the race.
The americans expected, uh, butthey, uh, they redeemed
themselves later in the weekyeah, 100.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yeah, no.
It was a shame to see kristenuh fall off the bike and then
taylor not having the race shewanted.
She looked frustrated becausewe knew she had the the goods to
show up but, um, thankfully sheredeemed herself and the whole
team usa.
And on the mixed relays whichwe're going to get to in a
little bit, yeah, and you talkedabout julie darone.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
I mean what?
Uh remember that name because,as you said, middle distance and
long distance is coming yeahthere's a chance she could be
the one that challenges taylornib in that level of racing, and
we did hear from taylor as wellthat she's probably going to be
focused on middle and longdistance for a while here, and
(18:31):
maybe not so much la.
Um, so we'll see how that goes,but taylor nibb, julie daron
could be the two names you mightwant to know in the next four
years absolutely, yeah, 100.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I'm sure we're going to see big things from from
those two in the middle distanceraces and probably they're
going to give ashley gentle arun for her money over the t100
yeah, that'd be interesting tosee who all steps up to.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
so we all, we, we all know that these short distance,
short distance, is kind oflosing it's it's luster too.
So let's hope it sticks around.
And as much of the controversyaround the water and all that, I
don't think it was as muchworld triathlon as it was the
Olympic committee and the IOCand the conglomerate that they
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are.
They're they're a huge engineand when they say, kneel down,
you're going to kneel down anddo what they need to do, and
they got to the point where thewater quality had to be good
yeah yeah, yeah, all of a sudden.
We don't care how fast they haveto swim, it's an infinity pool.
They can make it back somehowtrue, true I definitely think
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the international olympiccommittee got the final ruling
there.
But yeah, so, uh, how about themen's race?
I don't think we could.
Uh, I didn't think we could topthe women's race, but we
certainly did with the men'sfinish oh yeah, we had an
amazing, an amazing race on themen's side.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Uh, you know, we have current olympic champion
christian blumenfeld showing upto pull an Alistair Brownlee and
go back-to-back in the Olympics.
We had Alex Yee, hayden Wilde,the favorites you know Leo
Vergeur, pierre Lacour, vascoVillasa, tyler Mislachuk, from
Canada, you know everyone.
Everyone was there and Iremember, a couple of episodes
(20:15):
ago ago, I told you how Ithought this race was gonna go
and I I think I'm I was 90percent, 90 accurate.
Um, you know it was almost spoton there yeah, yeah, I mean, I
did like, like I said, theseolymp races they're very
tactical and you don't see a lotof heroic efforts and if you do
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, it's probably because theywant some TV time or air time.
But the guys that we thoughtwere going to be there in the
end, those were the guys thatwere fighting for the win, which
were Alexi and Hayden Wilde.
And Hayden being verymeticulous and very, you know,
numbers-driven although itdoesn't seem like it, I think he
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likes to play like oh no, Ijust played by field.
But no, he's a very, verymeticulous guy and he was
looking at his watch the wholeentire run and for a while then
he had us believe that he wasgoing to win because he was
pulling away from Alex on therun.
And it wasn't until I don'tknow 600 meters left that Alex G
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grabbed everything he had onhis insides and just sprinted
and passed Hayden.
I'm sure Hayden wanted torespond, like I know in his mind
.
He went, but his legs justcouldn't follow.
So amazing racing by AlexiHayden coming in second.
So these two have Olympic goldand silver, you know, from Tokyo
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and now Paris.
I mean Alexi has silver andgold and hayden has silver and
bronze.
So the only metal that thesetwo are missing is uh gold from
hayden and uh bronze from hayden.
Probably, probably, in la,we're gonna see that happening.
Um, and a christian I mean I andChristian, I mean I want to say
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it was a surprise, but maybe itwasn't as much of a surprise
that he wasn't there because hewas struggling in that these
guys had on the day, even thoughhe pulled the group on the bike
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and he was willing to worksuper hard.
He, he couldn't, he, he.
I remember watching a videofrom Christian a couple of
months ago and he said it'sgoing to take high 28s, low 29s
on the 10K to win and he ran a31, 34 or so 31, 34, so uh, and
and he was right, he was rightalex ran a 29, 47, so 29 highs,
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not not even 29 lows, uh, but uh, yeah, it was huh.
Maybe we're starting to seethat the norwegian method is not
a bulletproof all the time andthat he is human after all.
I mean still, a very gutsy race.
He finished in 12th place, sovery respect, respectable
(23:20):
placing, but um, yeah, uh, yeand wild were in a different
level and local leo verger fromfrance took the silver for
france home soil.
So it was very cool to seecassandra taking the gold on the
girl's side and then Leo takingthe bronze on the boys' side.
So, yeah, it was a very coolrace.
And not rain didn't happen, sothey weren't falls like on the
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girls' race, but still a verydramatic and cool race to watch.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
And in the French, not only did they have the gold
on the women's side and leo andthe bronze, they had four on in
the top four.
So between the two of them.
So it's like, okay, now we getthe mixed team relay and here's
france showing their true colors.
Nobody's got a chance againstthem come the mixed team relay.
So that was the thought comingout of the individual race.
(24:14):
For sure that they were readyto go and we'll get into how
that ended up going.
But it was the men's race.
You talk about Christian and Iwould say that was more
disappointing than Taylor Nibband her performance just because
Christian was in it.
Almost every guy was in thatrace coming off the bike.
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Christian was in it, almostevery guy was in that race
coming off the bike.
Yeah, that that pack was hugecoming into t2 and it came down
to the 10k and we knew who thatprobably meant.
But at the same time, whatchristian were we getting?
Were we getting the christianthat literally focused for the
olympics?
And and the other piece is, howhard is it to go short course
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to long course and back?
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
And there are many people that have done it
successfully now, and if theNorwegian method or Christian
Blumenfeld can't cycle back intoshort distance, I don't know
how many people can, and soit'll be interesting to see some
of these Olympians go into T100, go into Ironman World Champs
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and play with that for a coupleof years, yeah, and then try and
get back in the parish or intoLos Angeles shape.
Yeah, we'll see.
It's definitely been somethingthat is not easy to do.
And I think that is a big factor.
We all know that Christian'sgot a ton of other stuff going
on with the whole.
Tour de France cycling team andstuff, and he's still focused at
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Kona.
We'll talk about the FrankfurtIronman.
He's on the start list therecoming up in a couple of weeks.
So yeah, it was.
And and talk aboutdisappointing too morgan pearson
, um, that that was not the racewe expected out of him, not the
race he expected, not theexcuses we wanted to hear from
him, um, which was probably themost disappointing.
(26:08):
But it sounds like he uh,righted the ship a little bit
too in terms of his, hismentality there, and not a space
to be blaming other people.
It's a, it's a lot of people ina short swim.
It's gonna get, you're gonnaget banged around.
So, yeah, it's just the natureof the game.
And, uh, it's interesting tothe other this, the strategy
side around the swim became ahuge factor, as we talked about.
(26:31):
In leading into it, the swim wasgoing to play a factor and in
the men's race it probably did,because hayden, hayden, hayden
lost pace, more so than alexpicked up pace in that last 1k.
Yeah and but.
But alex was up in that frontgroup on the bike and and not
chasing as much as hayden andchristian were, and it was
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really haydenden and Christiantaking turns pulling that chase
pack up.
So he certainly used a lot more.
The swim was a factor there andeven though Hayden and
Christian had better swims thanwe expected, it was still a
factor come the final K on thatrun for sure.
And I think it was interestingto see some of the Americans
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struggle with the swim outsideof Seth, ryder and Spivey, you
find out, maybe they didn't dothe recon, maybe they didn't
talk about the current as muchas they should have and things
like that.
So kudos to the nations thatdid and figure out the routes
and things to take.
So yeah, that's enough aboutthe individuals.
But yeah, that's enough aboutthe individuals.
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The mixed team relay was thetrue winner of the racing world
because we've seen some photofinishes.
But it's been a good year fortriathlon that way, and on the
track and in the swimming pool.
But in triathlon center stage,mixed team relay, fede how'd it
go down?
Speaker 3 (27:53):
It was what a race.
The mixed team relays and itjust goes to show how incredible
these athletes are and how gladam I that the mixed team relays
is part of the Olympic program.
It's just exciting and you cansee that it means that much.
I mean, we as triathletesprobably not you and me, josh,
because we grew up playing teamsports, but a lot of triathletes
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are very self-driven andthey've always been used to
being a one-man show orone-woman show and just thinking
for yourself and all of this.
But adding the team elementjust makes you look how excited
these guys were of representingtheir country and racing for
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something bigger than themselves.
They didn't want to let theirteammates down.
They want to make their countryproud.
They were racing for more thanthemselves.
So it was amazing, amazing.
It was an amazing race and wehad obviously the favorites
France, we had Australia, we hadGermany, the US.
Of course, we had Norway, newZealand, but I mean, I don't
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want to say again dark horse,but not.
A lot of people were looking atGermany as a gold medal
contender, people were lookingat the US, people were looking
at Great Britain, people werelooking at France, australia,
new Zealand, but maybe notGermany and the fact that Maybe
Belgium, but they weren'tallowed to race.
(29:28):
Maybe Belgium, but they weren'tallowed to race.
Yeah, man, yeah, a girl gotsick and they couldn't complete
the mixed team relay.
But yeah, it was an incrediblerace.
You know, this time it was girlboy, girl boy.
And the Germans were so goodthey had already won in Hamburg
(29:48):
earlier and they backed it upwith another mixed team relay
win.
They took the gold.
A very smart race from theGermans.
The lead man was very good andthe anchor woman, laura
Lindemann, was amazing,outstanding on the bike, very
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smart.
She used all the bike powerthat Taylor Neve has on the bike
to bridge up to to um, greatBritain.
And Beth Potter, and you know,like, like I was mentioning
before Beth come, coming from atrack and field background, and
this being an 1800 meter run,everybody was talking about how
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Beth Potter was going to runaway from everyone.
But nope it.
I mean.
This shows you that this is notjust an 1,800-meter race, it's
a triathlon and you need to bestrong in all three disciplines.
And probably the bike took alittle bit out of Beth's pop on
the run that she couldn'trespond to Laura Lindemann.
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So Germany took the win, the UStook silver and I attribute the
silver medal to, of course,everyone, but if there was an
mvp it had to be taylor nip.
I mean, she was riding her gutsout.
She bridged the gap and theneven attacked the race from you
(31:11):
know, uh, from transition and uh, she was giving attacks and she
laid everything out there.
So nothing to be ashamed for.
An amazing silver medal for theUS and a lot of respect for
Taylor Neve.
You know this was the last eventfor her in this Olympics.
The individual time trialdidn't go as well as it could
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have gone because you know also,she had rain and a few
mechanicals and just a lot ofmisfortune on the individual
event, just bad luck.
And this was a very coolredemption race and you could
see that it meant that much toher that she was like, okay, I'm
going to give it out,everything I have.
And I think she was the reasonwhy the us won silver and great
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britain, beth, held on for forbronze.
She also did an amazing race inthe individual and uh, not
taking anything from her, but,um, she was struggling.
Out of the three she was theone that looked the most
vulnerable on the run and uh,but yeah, kudos to the germans.
Uh, you know, the last Germantriathlon champion was Jan
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no-transcript.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah, it was really neat to see you, like you said,
the whole team aspect of it.
You know, and our listeners whowho listen to the podcast
regularly know I'm a big fan ofrelays in general.
I've done two of them myself inthe rmn.
So big fan of it, uh, and itwas really cool to see.
It was unfortunate that wedidn't get to see the new
zealand team and the french teamthat we thought we were going
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to get to see.
With the the early crash on thesecond lap of the bike, one of
the last U-turns on the bikecourse, we had Pierre Lecour and
Hayden Wild go down in a prettyserious crash where there were
some mechanicals on top of thecrash and Hayden Wild came into
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T3, I guess you could call it T3.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Yeah, T3.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
T3, bloodied for the tag off, and then the French
were over a minute down.
And when you get a minute downin a race where there's drafting
, not easy to catch up, uh,which was another cool story to
see I mean to see cassandrabogran get them all the way back
to fourth and run the run, theleg that she ran to finish that
(33:33):
race with nothing to win.
Um yeah other than that wasreally cool, uh, that was just
pride.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
You could see the pride that she was like I don't
care if we don't get, if wedon't win a medal, and it just
shows you the type of athletesthese guys are.
They're at different levels.
I know probably what was goingon through her mind.
She was like I cannot live withmyself if I don't put 100% on
this relay, no matter what, andthat's why she had the fastest
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run split.
And if the course was I don'tknow 700 meters longer, probably
she could have.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
She could have won uh , uh bronze I agree, and, and
unlike the individual races, weactually saw a penalty for an
early swim start.
So there was yeah, there was apenalty there in t1, um.
And the other thing that Ithought was interesting and I've
asked a few people this,including some people involved
(34:27):
with usa triathlon, and I'd loveto get your take on it and the
audience chime in, if you'd liketo, on our social media page.
But what are your thoughts on?
There's two scenarios here BethPotter trying to get away on
the bike, and okay, is that thecorrect strategy?
And this could come down to towe just didn't have enough to
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make team relay races thisseason and and there wasn't much
of a trial, and and then theother one is should taylor nib
be taylor nib and try and getaway on the bike?
Or, when she caught lauralindeman, should she had teamed
up with Laura to bridge up toBeth together to save her legs
(35:11):
for the run?
So what?
are your takes on those twoscenarios oh man.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
I mean this is picking Harris right now,
splitting Harris, but I thinkthe way the race panned out was
the best way, that athletesthought that they were putting
themselves in the best positionto win.
I think waiting to bridge thegap and then pushing together
(35:36):
would have been a bit risky, butno, I think this was the best
way of doing it.
I think because I think Taylorwas betting that she was going
to break the legs out ofeveryone on the bike and kudos
to Germany because they held onto her, will not pulling, just
(35:56):
letting Taylor do all thepulling.
So this was the best.
It was a strategic race fromthe Germans.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
It was very gutsy and hard on the hand by the US and
a holding out for dear life andfor pride from Great Britain and
then again a very gutsy andpride moment from France from
finishing fourth and just a veryunfortunate series of events
that took and new zealand thatof picture very early on yeah, I
(36:28):
agree, and I kudos to the thevideo coverage of the event for
actually catching the girlsclipping out, uh, or getting out
of their their shoes cominginto t2 on that final leg,
because it's a huge piece oftransition and, in the short
course world especially, and fora race to have three bikers
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that close together, to actuallysee all three of them go
through that process, and and tosee taylor started early and
actually get the advantage,because she did start early
enough and was able to powerdown, while the other two are
still kind of fumbling around,and we all know taylor's had
some issues with her transition,so she she certainly wanted to
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get some time between herself,and she actually needed it,
because she fumbled to get hersneakers on and and ended up
leaving t2 in second place, Ibelieve.
So, yep, that definitely was afactor, and the only thing I
didn't like, though, is we lostour good broadcasters from the
individual race.
Yeah, we didn't have the samequality of triathlon announcers
(37:32):
for the mixed team relay.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah, well, that's in the US broadcast, but on the
Mexican TV we had one.
I don't want to say names, butthere were two.
I'm just going to say one ofthe two was horrible and it was
a surprise, because this personis a former pro triathlete, so
it was just, oh, she kept sayingTokyo 2021 for some reason, and
(37:59):
that just a lot of things.
But, um, yeah, can we just havepeople that are qualified to do
the broadcast in all languagesplease, because it's a bit
annoying that people that aregetting into the sport get, uh,
not the correct information allthe time yeah, no, it's a.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
It's a huge event and it's the biggest event for
these kids and these girls andthese guys of their year for the
most part.
And, yeah, they deserve thattype of coverage too.
So I mean all in all, it was agreat couple days for triathlon
in general.
Yeah, I think, yeah, I thinkthis won a lot of fans and yeah
it was awesome to see thestreets packed with people, and,
(38:39):
and the same thing goes withthe, the road race too, I mean
remco and and wow, what a coolrace and what a cool course, uh,
and I don't know if you want totouch on that real quick fed,
because you were, uh, you wereall over remco and we had a huge
upset in the ladies field.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Oh, yeah, it was an incredible race from remco I I
just thinking about it I gotchills because he wanted.
He knew his A race was going tobe the time trial at the
Olympics and I'm sure he wasover the moon with his result at
the Tour de France this yearhis first Tour de France on the
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podium, but then going to theOlympics in Paris showing to the
TT next to guys as big as Woutand Filippo Ganna, who are
monsters on the bike, and himexploiting everything he has on
aerodynamics and power andeverything I don't.
I'm pretty sure he's the guywith the lowest CDA on the pro
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peloton.
He's so slippery.
He's not a very muscular guy.
Yes, I mean his quads arehumongous, but he's not like the
biggest guy.
I mean it's like, all of asudden, me going against you on
a flat TT.
You'd put nine times out of 10all the money on you because you
can push more power.
But the fact that he was soslippery on the, on the tt and
(40:07):
taking the, the gold and thenbacking it up on the road race,
having a flat, like onekilometer before the finishing
line and then, uh, yeah, it wasjust amazing to watch and what a
what a race, but I I don't knowif you want to touch a little
bit more on this, but on thegirl's side we have a very
amazing story.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
I mean, I don't know if you want to explain to the
audience what happened, becauseI feel, like you, you deserve
explaining it, because you arean american yeah, so we, we had
a historical day for americancycling, uh, for sure, and as
some of you might know who havelistened to the show or followed
triathlon, taylor nibb gave upher spot in the road race so
(40:47):
that she could focus on themixed team relay, which was the
day before the road race.
So she felt, oh sorry, the roadrace was the day before the
mixed team triathlon and shedidn't want to do the road race
and then be tired for the mixedteam.
So again, kudos to Taylor forgiving up her spot.
She gave it up to a trackcyclist, kirsten Faulkner, up
(41:09):
her spot.
She gave it up to a trackcyclist, uh, kirsten faulkner,
who really just started ridingless than a 10, 10 years ago.
She was a collegiate rower anda hedge fund venture capitalist
in new york city and decided toride a bike a few years ago.
And next thing, you know, she'sa pro cyclist and on the end,
uh, on the team pursuit, uh,cycling team, and gets tapped to
do the road race.
And she had done some recon.
I just heard her do aninterview yesterday or today.
(41:31):
She looked at this course andshe knew exactly if she got to
the couple mile mark, 5k marksomewhere around there that she
had picked a spot where she wasgoing to go and she was racing
against the defending Olympicchampion and Voss.
And Voss, and trying to bridgeup to the two of them, pulled
(41:55):
her weight up to the lead pack,caught them and then almost
instantaneously took off andpulled away from the other three
.
And you're expecting, okay,they'll let her go and then
they'll work together.
And the three of them juststarted looking around like they
were getting ready for a sprintfinish and there were still a
couple kilometers left.
They let her go.
(42:16):
So if you have not watched thisrace, just go watch the last 10
minutes maybe, because it's epicand it's a really cool finish
anyways.
So check out Remco's and andand the and the woman's race.
But it's what a performance.
She literally TT to the end andthere was no response.
She had to solo ride into thefinish.
And then you did have a sprintfinish for second, third and
(42:39):
fourth, and one of them is notgoing to get a medal and that
was a photo finish.
So just another epic, epic,epic, cool moment for endurance,
sports and cycling andeverything that we cover on a
daily basis.
So kudos to her.
And then last night she goesand joins the team pursuit and
her and Chloe Dygart team,together with two other
teammates, and they drop anothergold medal.
(43:00):
So this girl, who wasn't evenin cycling less than 10 years
ago, has now put two gold medalstogether in less than a few
days.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Amazing, and I mean it's crazy because this happened
the exact same last Olympics onthe women's road race.
I don't know if you remember,but the girl who won was like
this you know, just a PhDrecently graduated person, just
a PhD recently graduated person.
And then she took off and thegirls had no idea that somebody
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was up the road and the girl whowon second was celebrating as
she was winning the gold medal,but somebody had finished before
her.
Kind of like the same scenarioof what happened.
But yeah, it's amazing that ithappened back-to-back olympics
and what a story yeah, really,really cool.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Uh, so many moments in the olympics.
We could.
We could have a whole nothershow on that, but we're a
triathlon podcast, so we try andkeep it to cycling and
triathlon.
So, speaking of triathlon, uh,now that we've kind of done our
race results and everything,we've got a big, big iron man
coming up and we also have areally cool short course coming
up.
So I think, uh, jumping into,before we get into the, the
(44:15):
start list coming up, the socialmedia post of the week is just
check out super try.
Uh, super try underscore istheir instagram account.
They've now announced three ofthe four teams, so the athletes
are coming out and, as we talkedabout before the Olympics and
based on some of the connectionsI have with the people running
(44:36):
Supertri and the coaches, weknew there were going to be a
ton of Olympians and, sureenough, your gold medalists are
on these teams, your silvermedalists are on these teams,
your bronze medalists are onthese teams.
The mixed team relay, so supertry starting off their season
right here in boston august 18th.
Um, there's still one team tobe announced, so the brownlee
team, uh, allister and johnny'steam is going to announce their
(44:58):
roster, I think probablytomorrow, and so keep your eyes
on super try, and right now itis thursday, so we should have
an answer from them on Fridaywhen our podcast drops.
So check out the SuperTriInstagram social account and
give them a follow, becausetheir season in the outdoor
world is about to kick off, onAugust 18th, and then it goes to
(45:19):
Chicago and on and on.
So really cool opportunity, ifyou're in the US or in other
parts of the world that they hitthroughout the year, to check
out some of these Olympians upand close.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Yep 100%.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
And then, real quick, our WTF of the week is the one
and only Tomas Jeepers.
Yet again and not unsurprisingnews came out this week that we
had somebody else doping.
Uh, yeah, and in claiming thatthey didn't know that they were
(45:55):
doping and a lot of differentthings there, and it's obviously
hit close to home to fede andand others, uh, in the mexican
region, just because it juststarts pointing fingers that
don't need to be pointed.
Um yeah but what an unfortunatesituation it's.
It's thankful, uh, that thepeople who he is beat out in
(46:16):
some of these races are going toget their money and get their
kona slots as well.
Yeah, there's a post.
There's a post that I put up onour another triathlon podcast,
um, that's from a study from afew years ago from water.
Uh, that shows that he'sprobably not going to win his
appeal.
Uh, based on the way that theyare doing this testing, they
know whether or not it wasconsumed which is what he's
(46:37):
claiming he did and or if it wastaken.
Uh, yeah, so unfortunate, uhand so unfortunate, uh, and
hopefully we get some coolstories out of it, like andre
lopes getting to go to kona uh,yeah, that's awesome and and
some others getting some.
I mean, now patrick lang is yourdefending texas champion, yeah,
so a lot of different things tocome over.
(46:57):
What is what's your take fed?
I know you're you're such aanti-doping um cohort on this
and we talk about it all thetime, unfortunately, but what's
uh, what are your, your gutfeelings?
Speaker 3 (47:09):
yeah, I mean uh, it's very heartbreaking to see when
and a pro athlete cheats ortries to cheat the system, uh,
by doping.
Uh, he probably has his reasons.
However, I don't see any validpoint for somebody who cheats
(47:31):
and dopes.
It's just not cool.
I don't think there's room fordopers in our sport or any sport
.
And it's funny because a coupleof days before all of this
happened, I reposted a statementby Michael Phelps that he was
saying that he wants lifetimebans for dopers, and a couple
days after that, after he postedthat and I reposted it, the
(47:54):
news broke out.
So I was like, yeah, I mean, Idon't see why we are forgiving
these athletes, uh, for doping,because if they did it once,
they're probably going to do itagain or they're going to try to
find ways to cheat the system,and for now, the situation is
(48:15):
not set in stone.
I mean, he appealed it but,like you said, he's probably not
going to win it.
I mean the fact that thestatement that he's using is a
very poor statement about how hegot a positive test.
Um, I, I mean, and I don't wantto say that all dopers sound the
(48:40):
same, but they do.
They all say it was somethingbad, they ate.
They didn't know they were,they were putting an illegal
substance in her on their body,and the fact that he is a
mexican triathlete it's a littlebit tougher because, uh, you
know, it's not that there are alot of of long distance
(49:04):
triathletes and he was one guywho got the Mexican triathlon
community excited about.
But I guess that if easy comes,easy goes, and I don't want to
say his rose to fame was out ofnowhere, but it was very sketchy
(49:28):
to put it one way or the other,and I'm just glad that the
people who are working with theanti-doping agencies and all
that catch people that cheat, nomatter the ethnicity, no matter
what.
This is not a Mexican problem,this is a sport problem.
All nationalities dope, matterwhat.
This is not a mexican problem,this is a sport problem.
Um, all nationality is dope.
(49:48):
I just think it's the lowest ofthe low that you could do as an
athlete, you know, callingyourself professional and then
cheating the system and lookingyour competitors in the eye and
and say congratulations, I bidyou, but you know you're dirty.
So yeah, yeah, that's yeah, notcool.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
No, and not to make light of it, it has brought out
the best in some of the comedicprofessional athletes in
triathlon.
Check out Joe Skipper.
He's had some fun with it.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
Yeah, that was fun.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
There was even one of our previous dopers, Colin
Chartier, was called out in acomment.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
That was the best one .
Speaker 2 (50:28):
Somebody said well, colin, uh dopers, colin chartier
was uh called out in a.
That was the best one.
Somebody.
Somebody said well, colin, doyou need a new realtor?
Uh, with your agency, and Ithink we found somebody we can
send your way and colin's like,wants to cheat always, always a
good house cleaner or somethinglike that.
So, uh, yeah, unfortunately, um.
So yeah, I think we've got,we've covered everything we
needed to cover today.
(50:49):
I think our plan is next weekto hopefully have some people on
from Super Tri, as we've talkedabout before.
So we'll get into the Super Triraces next week for sure.
But if we don't get a chance totalk about Frankfurt, let's
cover that now, because we'vegot the start list and it's
packed.
There are six spots left forKona, and this is for Ironman
(51:11):
Frankfurt, european champs, Ithink next week, so August 18th,
as well, and we've got thelikes of Patrick Lange,
christian Blumenfeld, mattHansen, jackson Laundrie, colin
Such, robert Gwecki, trevorFoley again.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
Again.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
Paul Schuster, pamfield Perron, clement Mignon,
nick Thompson, andre Lopez isgoing, braden Curry, Bradley
Weiss, cam Werf I mean the listgoes on and on.
This field's packed.
But you also got a lot of theseguys who are racing for the
ironman pro series points.
Yeah, not necessarily theirkona slots.
(51:50):
So the kona slots are going todrop potentially down into 10
plus uh placings, uh, dependingon how the race goes for the
favorites or the people thatalready have kona slots yeah,
it's going to be.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
it's going to be an interesting race because, like
you said, there's going to bepeople racing for Kona spots
being very strategic and thenthere's going to be people
racing for the Ironman Series,so it's going to be like two
races within the race.
Yeah, it's going to be exciting, for sure.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
It will be interesting because we're now
getting into all that stuffwe've talked about, where every
second counts right.
Speaker 3 (52:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
And you don't want to let a winner go up the road
like you do in the Tour deFrance.
Maybe because they're not goingafter the GC?
Well, now every one of theseguys are going after the GC.
Speaker 3 (52:38):
True.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
They start the clock though.
So even if they're not acontender in the Pro Series,
they're starting your clock.
Yeah, so even if they're not acontender in the pro series,
they're starting your clock, andyou might see a Patrick Lango
hold on on the bike a littlelonger than he wants to, because
he doesn't want to come frombehind in the run and chase
(53:01):
people down.
You've got Trevor Foley what ishis strategy?
And so it will definitely be aninteresting race, and it's one
of those races, too, where thewinning time's gone anywhere
from just over eight minutes oreight hours to like 740.
So what kind of conditions dowe get is going to be a factor
as well.
So I don't know, fed, who doyou think is going to take it?
And I mean, obviously we'regoing to have huge Kona
(53:23):
implications and huge Pro Seriesimplications, but who do you
think is going to take the topstep?
Speaker 3 (53:28):
I mean, I think I'm going to go with.
Since Jenna's not here, I'mgoing to go Canadian and I'm
going to pick Jackson for thewin.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
You think he learned his lesson in Lake Placid, huh?
Speaker 3 (53:44):
Yeah, I think so, I think so, and I think he has
seen it for a revenge.
What about you?
Speaker 2 (53:49):
Man.
I mean along the same lines.
I think we've got some athletesthat have been racing, racing
consistently and racing well,and I don't know how you pick
against Trevor Foley right now.
So I'm going to stick with thekid and I believe a win here
would put him right up at thetop, depending on how Matt
(54:13):
Hanson does and how PatrickLange does.
You've got all the top guys inthe pro series there getting
ready for Kona.
I like our picks, yeah.
So Jackson and Trevor Fo foleyall right, we'll check back in
after frankfurt and, uh,hopefully next week we'll have
(54:34):
our big super try episode.
If not, we'll definitely getback to you, um, with a regular
episode and discuss the what wefeel about that coming up.
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So, everyone, have a greatnight.
Fed, awesome talking.
Speaker 3 (55:10):
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This week.
Jenna is off with some familyobligations and has some family
and friends in town, and thenshe's also getting ready for her
big race in Australia.
So tonight you got, fede and I,and we're going to hold it down
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as much as we can and give youas many updates as we can from
what's been going on over inParis and what's coming up in
the Ironman world, and also withsome super fast, quick racing,
with Super Track coming uparound the corner.
So, benny, how are we doing man, how's the training going?
It sounds like you've beenpicking it up and throwing it
down, so how's that been going?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Hey, josh, yeah, I'm missing Jenna over here a little
bit, but no training's beengoing.
Hey, josh, yeah, missing Jennaover here a little bit, but no,
training's been going well.
Feeling inspired with theOlympics, watching a whole bunch
of disciplines that I don'tnormally watch, of course,
following the triathlon andcycling and the athletics up
close with the marathon comingup.
So, yeah, training's been goingwell.
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A lot of volume on the bike andon the run, starting to pick up
the volume as well.
Foot feels great, uh, no pain.
So I'm excited and uh, yeah, Ihave santa cruz 70.3 because I
can make the trip to maine, but,um, yeah, hopefully that works
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out well and uh, yeah, excited,excited and happy to be back
training normally andconsistently.
Uh, can't wait, can't wait.
I know, santa cruz, I'm notgoing to be 100 myself, but um,
yeah, just grateful that I'mgoing to be able to race again
and then, uh, using that tobuild towards, um, t100, las
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vegas.
That's going to be my tune-uprace for 70.3 worlds, uh, which
is going to be my age, a racefor the season.
So, yeah, excited and uh, happyto be back on the training
course.
What about you?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I mean you're going to be peaking come telpo, so
yeah, perfect.
It ends up being a blessing indisguise, maybe, and uh this is
true yeah, the season youexpected, but uh, there's still
a way to salvage it for sure,absolutely no.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah, you said probably, probably a blessing in
disguise.
I was wondering how I was goingto keep up the the shape for as
long as the season is.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
But now, with the injury and everything, uh, maybe
everything turns out well thatI'm going to be picking come, uh
, december have you changedanything with your running at
all, that maybe you picked upthat because of the injury or or
any gait or anything that likeyou've done differently, or
shoes, or oh, not, not really,because, uh, the injury was, you
(03:27):
know, accident related, wasn'tlike form, or it was just a I
fell on a rock, but, um, no,using a lot of the lever right
now.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
um, for my quote-unquote long runs, which
are, you know, 90 minute stopsright now, so, being using that
for for the main set of my longruns, I do the warm-up without
it, then put on the lever andthen do the cool-down without it
.
So that's been helping a lot ofkeeping the lungs and heart
strong but taking the impactaway from the legs.
(03:58):
So that's something that I'vebeen using now a little bit more
.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, and for anyone of our listeners that don't know
, and this is not a sponsored ador anything but the lever is
this really cool system that wasdeveloped by a bunch of elite
athletes out in Boulder,colorado, I believe.
That allowed you to remove apercentage of your body weight
with a pulley lever system thatattaches to your treadmill.
(04:25):
So there's a lot of top leveltriathlete triathletes and elite
runners that have been using it.
So definitely check them out.
If you're battling an injury orupping your volume, that's.
Another thing to do is to uhoffset some volume upticks with
it as well, and I've been usingit too, as I get my volume going
very cool, yeah.
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So, speaking of volume, I'vebeen kind of chugging along my
uh.
My coach keeps throwing it atme and then the body keeps
responding uh.
So we just keep adding and andtweaking it a little bit.
So even, let's's say, tonightwould normally be a big run day,
hill workout, track workouttype day for me, but we're going
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to do it on the bike instead.
So I'm going to do somethreshold type intervals, a
couple of those, and then maxeffort 10 buys for 20 seconds,
just kind of changing up themuscles and and adding volume
that way without having to toget out and pound the pavement
or the track.
So it's been really cool, thoughI've been doing a lot of track
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workouts and doing a lot of 400s, 800s, 1200s, uh mile repeats,
and then this week I had a sixby one K, or sorry, seven by one
K, with over under, so justabove threshold and then under
threshold for one K.
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So that was really cool to doand just to see the heart rate
not really jump and then alsorecover really quickly at just
under threshold.
So the body is responding tothis volume and really happy
with that.
And and still biking, stillswimming, I still have my.
My next and last triathlon onthe schedule, at least for this
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year, is august 18th at bostontriathlon um, also home of the
first super tri event.
So looking forward to thatweekend In general, we're going
to have a shakeout run with manaperil and human powered health
again that weekend.
So anyone who's in the newEngland area or in the Boston
area that weekend let me know.
We're going to be doing a coolshakeout run that Saturday
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morning, the 17th, and there's agood, good opportunity that
we'll have some Olympicmedalists or some of the Olympic
athletes at the event runningwith us too.
So it'll be really cool to havethat.
And I also had a big time firstthis past weekend and knew there
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was going to be some stormscoming through, and picked a
good route and had it on my, my,my edge, my Garmin computer,
and have my workout on there andhad a pretty easy workout.
But it was um long, it wasabout three hours and we knew we
had a few efforts in it.
So out riding by myself, misseda couple of turns, made a
couple of U-turns and on one ofthose U-turns I was paying
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attention to the computer alittle bit more than I should
have been, trying to figure outwhere that turn was.
That I missed, and it hadalready poured a few times.
And, uh, caught a pothole.
And man, you catch a potholeand you're not looking and the
bike goes flying.
Your clips come out, thankfully, but I said to my coach it was
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like a BMX rider in the Olympics, with the bike completely 45
degrees and you're completelysideways and then the bike goes
away and you go away.
I do thank God that I was in therain, because it made the road
rash less than what it probablywould have been, and I probably
slid 15 feet instead of beingstopped four feet uh after
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hitting the ground but a littlebit of bruising and another hour
and 20 minutes to go on thebike and was able to uh, get up,
shake it off, fix the bars alittle bit and luckily no cars
were coming, that type of thing.
No car stopped, which was weird.
But uh, yeah, that was a scarymoment, but it was a first and
it's out of the way and I've nowdropped a bike and had that
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scary moment and flash flashingin your eyes and what the heck's
going on, and next thing youknow you're back up and riding,
so grateful to uh be able to getback up and run and then do a
run off the bike that night andjust kind of keeping it iced and
mobility wise, and next thing,you know, I don't even really
feel it anymore.
So lucky there and again happyto get it out of the way yeah,
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yeah, no, that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I mean, like the saying goes, there's only two
types of cyclists the ones whowho have already fallen and the
ones who are about to fall.
So it's nothing, it's part ofthe job, I guess.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
So, if you're listening, send us in your story
, drop a DM on Instagram, drop acomment on Instagram.
Maybe we'll put up a post andpeople can tell us about their
first time crash.
And if you haven't had one, godyou, it's not.
I do not wish it on anyone but,like fanny said, you do know,
uh, who you are.
But it's, uh, it's, uh,definitely a experience I don't
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want to have to have again for awhile.
I'd rather have a flat left andright.
It was also cool, I did.
I mean, like we mentioned, Iwas out.
I actually took the race wheelsoff and was riding on my my my
regular training wheels too, andheld up great, um, but it was,
uh, it was maybe just you.
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You got to stay focused,especially these days, right,
and it was a good lesson tolearn to, uh, even when you're
using a Garmin computer or acomputer or anything with with
the map, try and learn the routebefore you go.
I think, that's kind of one ofthose lessons, um.
So onwards we go and uh, I'mhealthy, so thankful for that
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and uh, the training's goingwell and marathon build is is
full-blown and we're gonna gotry and have fun at olympic
triathlon as well, so lookingforward to that.
Speaking of olympic triathlons,uh, since we are recording a
few days later than normal,we've got two individual
triathlons, mixed triathlon, acouple road races to talk about.
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So, betty Fede, why don't youkick us off?
Do we want to start with themen's or the women's?
Speaker 3 (10:47):
race, let's go in chronological order.
Yeah, let's go in chronologicalorder.
Let's start with the women.
Well, first of all, we starteddebating if there was actually
going to be a triathlon becauseParis had a lot of rain in the
days leading up to theyrescheduled the event, uh, so,
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yeah, it was wild and, uh, itwas amazing to see how hard or
how strong the current was, uh,due to the rain that the
athletes had to go through, and,uh, it was, at some points it
looked like they were, they wereswimming still, and then, of a
sudden, they were blazing fast.
On the girls' side, we had therace favorites in the likes of
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Cassandra Begrant, georgiaTaylor-Brown, flora Duffy, beth
Potter, the veteran, rachelKlammer, from the Netherlands,
climber from the netherlands, um, I mean taylor spivey from the
us, laura lindemann, uh, theuber biker, maya kingma, uh, of
course, uh, from the us, we hadthis superstar cyclist and
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triathlete, taylor nibb.
So it was a stack, stack fieldand these olympic races, they
are everything but world, uh,record, uh, shattering events.
Not that there there are worldrecords in triathlon, because
every course is different.
And I got a little that, got alittle bit into my nerves
because, uh, I was watching iton the, on the spanish
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broadcaster and she wasconstantly saying that X course
was faster, this Olympics Xathlete was faster on the swim,
and I was like, no, each courseis different.
Just shut up and yeah.
So anyways, we had a local, andI guess doing a race in
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Homeland either can make orbreak your race.
Some athletes use that energy tochannel the best of themselves
and some others just fall withthe pressure, and this was the
case in 2012 with AlistairBrownlee and Johnny Brownlee,
and now the French had a lot ofpressure, especially well, on
the men's side, leaving outVincent Louis, but now on the
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girls' side, they had CassandraBeaugrand, who's a very strong
athlete, emma Lombardi, leonPerriol so just super strong
athletes, and it was a very,very eventful race.
We had rain on the event andthere were a lot of falls, and
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we saw the experience of FloraDuffy taking in.
She took the race from theget-go using, you know, being
super smart on the swim and thenbeing the uber biker that she
is just exploiting every singleinch of that course.
She didn't fail off the bike assome other athletes did.
Some athletes' Olympics race wasover on the bike and just a lot
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of girls falling off, but youknow, flora, being the current
Olympic champion, came intotransition first, and then we
saw a class run from CassandraVaugrand from France.
She was just moving at adifferent pace from everyone and
taking the race by herself.
She took the win in 1.54.55,running at 32.42.
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And not bad and was probably adark horse for some.
But this girl is a very strongathlete and I think her strength
lies in middle and longdistance racing.
From switzerland, julie de ron.
Oh my god, how the the factthat she ran also in the 32s 32,
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51, uh.
And she rode 57 minutes, uh,some 22.
So it was just amazing racingfrom her.
And in third place we had BethPotter from Great Britain, who
surprisingly did not have thefastest run split because she
already went to an Olympics intrack and field and everybody
was expecting her to have asuper solid run.
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But no, it was Cassandra withthe fastest run split and taking
the win in home soil.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
It was interesting from the beginning, like you
said, even with the swim and thefact that they had the crowd
noise going and amping up thecrowd with the music probably
wasn't the smartest thing to do,because the swim start beep was
the same beep that they useinside at the pool, where you
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can hear a little better thanyou can outside.
um yeah, so I'd say what?
Maybe two-thirds of the, thefemale swimmers, started at the
same time and then there was agroup of which I believe taylor
nibb was included in, that kindof sat on the platform and went
late when there was an air hornfrom a fan.
So that was unfortunate, andwhen you get that early lead in
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a down river swim like that, itdoes set some separation out and
you could tell that they wereplaying catch up.
That group from the pontoonreally never got back into the
race, I don't think and yeah no,and flora.
I think flora set the tone forevery swimming event in the sand
this whole week and she showedpeople what the best route is by
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hugging the coastline andhugging the weeds and hugging
the boats and hugging the bargesand cutting back in at the last
minute.
Even though you had to swim alittle longer distance, you were
going to use less effort.
So she certainly did what sheneeded to do to give herself a
chance, and I think she neededto do a 40k tt and then get out
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in front and she just couldn'thold on with the the level of
talent that's on the bike thesedays and you get a few of them
together.
They're going to track her down.
So, um, it was a really coolrace to see and that run was
just super fast, super special,and and that's where, when, when
you are the golden child ofFrance and you do get that crowd
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going, it's going to pick youup and all those nerves of
having to hold court kind of goaway.
And I think we kind of talkedabout that last week too on our
episode Do you feel the pressureor not?
And I think she just got intothe race and fell into her own
zone once she caught up and offand running, she went.
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So I mean it was a really coolrace.
It was unfortunate to seeTaylor Nibb not be a factor and
it was unfortunate to seeKirsten Kasper be one of those
casualties on the bike with thecourse and then the mechanicals
and Taylor Spivey had a greatrace um individually she was in
the mix, so you can't ask foranything more than that, but
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definitely not the race.
The americans expected, uh, butthey, uh, they redeemed
themselves later in the weekyeah, 100.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yeah, no.
It was a shame to see kristenuh fall off the bike and then
taylor not having the race shewanted.
She looked frustrated becausewe knew she had the the goods to
show up but, um, thankfully sheredeemed herself and the whole
team usa.
And on the mixed relays whichwe're going to get to in a
little bit, yeah, and you talkedabout julie darone.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
I mean what?
Uh remember that name because,as you said, middle distance and
long distance is coming yeahthere's a chance she could be
the one that challenges taylornib in that level of racing, and
we did hear from taylor as wellthat she's probably going to be
focused on middle and longdistance for a while here, and
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maybe not so much la.
Um, so we'll see how that goes,but taylor nibb, julie daron
could be the two names you mightwant to know in the next four
years absolutely, yeah, 100.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I'm sure we're going to see big things from from
those two in the middle distanceraces and probably they're
going to give ashley gentle arun for her money over the t100
yeah, that'd be interesting tosee who all steps up to.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
so we all, we, we all know that these short distance,
short distance, is kind oflosing it's it's luster too.
So let's hope it sticks around.
And as much of the controversyaround the water and all that, I
don't think it was as muchworld triathlon as it was the
Olympic committee and the IOCand the conglomerate that they
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are.
They're they're a huge engineand when they say, kneel down,
you're going to kneel down anddo what they need to do, and
they got to the point where thewater quality had to be good
yeah yeah, yeah, all of a sudden.
We don't care how fast they haveto swim, it's an infinity pool.
They can make it back somehowtrue, true I definitely think
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the international olympiccommittee got the final ruling
there.
But yeah, so, uh, how about themen's race?
I don't think we could.
Uh, I didn't think we could topthe women's race, but we
certainly did with the men'sfinish oh yeah, we had an
amazing, an amazing race on themen's side.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Uh, you know, we have current olympic champion
christian blumenfeld showing upto pull an Alistair Brownlee and
go back-to-back in the Olympics.
We had Alex Yee, hayden Wilde,the favorites you know Leo
Vergeur, pierre Lacour, vascoVillasa, tyler Mislachuk, from
Canada, you know everyone.
Everyone was there and Iremember, a couple of episodes
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ago ago, I told you how Ithought this race was gonna go
and I I think I'm I was 90percent, 90 accurate.
Um, you know it was almost spoton there yeah, yeah, I mean, I
did like, like I said, theseolymp races they're very
tactical and you don't see a lotof heroic efforts and if you do
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, it's probably because theywant some TV time or air time.
But the guys that we thoughtwere going to be there in the
end, those were the guys thatwere fighting for the win, which
were Alexi and Hayden Wilde.
And Hayden being verymeticulous and very, you know,
numbers-driven although itdoesn't seem like it, I think he
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likes to play like oh no, Ijust played by field.
But no, he's a very, verymeticulous guy and he was
looking at his watch the wholeentire run and for a while then
he had us believe that he wasgoing to win because he was
pulling away from Alex on therun.
And it wasn't until I don'tknow 600 meters left that Alex G
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grabbed everything he had onhis insides and just sprinted
and passed Hayden.
I'm sure Hayden wanted torespond, like I know in his mind
.
He went, but his legs justcouldn't follow.
So amazing racing by AlexiHayden coming in second.
So these two have Olympic goldand silver, you know, from Tokyo
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and now Paris.
I mean Alexi has silver andgold and hayden has silver and
bronze.
So the only metal that thesetwo are missing is uh gold from
hayden and uh bronze from hayden.
Probably, probably, in la,we're gonna see that happening.
Um, and a christian I mean I andChristian, I mean I want to say
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it was a surprise, but maybe itwasn't as much of a surprise
that he wasn't there because hewas struggling in that these
guys had on the day, even thoughhe pulled the group on the bike
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and he was willing to worksuper hard.
He, he couldn't, he, he.
I remember watching a videofrom Christian a couple of
months ago and he said it'sgoing to take high 28s, low 29s
on the 10K to win and he ran a31, 34 or so 31, 34, so uh, and
and he was right, he was rightalex ran a 29, 47, so 29 highs,
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not not even 29 lows, uh, but uh, yeah, it was huh.
Maybe we're starting to seethat the norwegian method is not
a bulletproof all the time andthat he is human after all.
I mean still, a very gutsy race.
He finished in 12th place, sovery respect, respectable
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placing, but um, yeah, uh, yeand wild were in a different
level and local leo verger fromfrance took the silver for
france home soil.
So it was very cool to seecassandra taking the gold on the
girl's side and then Leo takingthe bronze on the boys' side.
So, yeah, it was a very coolrace.
And not rain didn't happen, sothey weren't falls like on the
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girls' race, but still a verydramatic and cool race to watch.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
And in the French, not only did they have the gold
on the women's side and leo andthe bronze, they had four on in
the top four.
So between the two of them.
So it's like, okay, now we getthe mixed team relay and here's
france showing their true colors.
Nobody's got a chance againstthem come the mixed team relay.
So that was the thought comingout of the individual race.
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For sure that they were readyto go and we'll get into how
that ended up going.
But it was the men's race.
You talk about Christian and Iwould say that was more
disappointing than Taylor Nibband her performance just because
Christian was in it.
Almost every guy was in thatrace coming off the bike.
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Christian was in it, almostevery guy was in that race
coming off the bike.
Yeah, that that pack was hugecoming into t2 and it came down
to the 10k and we knew who thatprobably meant.
But at the same time, whatchristian were we getting?
Were we getting the christianthat literally focused for the
olympics?
And and the other piece is, howhard is it to go short course
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to long course and back?
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
And there are many people that have done it
successfully now, and if theNorwegian method or Christian
Blumenfeld can't cycle back intoshort distance, I don't know
how many people can, and soit'll be interesting to see some
of these Olympians go into T100, go into Ironman World Champs
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and play with that for a coupleof years, yeah, and then try and
get back in the parish or intoLos Angeles shape.
Yeah, we'll see.
It's definitely been somethingthat is not easy to do.
And I think that is a big factor.
We all know that Christian'sgot a ton of other stuff going
on with the whole.
Tour de France cycling team andstuff, and he's still focused at
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Kona.
We'll talk about the FrankfurtIronman.
He's on the start list therecoming up in a couple of weeks.
So yeah, it was.
And and talk aboutdisappointing too morgan pearson
, um, that that was not the racewe expected out of him, not the
race he expected, not theexcuses we wanted to hear from
him, um, which was probably themost disappointing.
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But it sounds like he uh,righted the ship a little bit
too in terms of his, hismentality there, and not a space
to be blaming other people.
It's a, it's a lot of people ina short swim.
It's gonna get, you're gonnaget banged around.
So, yeah, it's just the natureof the game.
And, uh, it's interesting tothe other this, the strategy
side around the swim became ahuge factor, as we talked about.
(26:31):
In leading into it, the swim wasgoing to play a factor and in
the men's race it probably did,because hayden, hayden, hayden
lost pace, more so than alexpicked up pace in that last 1k.
Yeah and but.
But alex was up in that frontgroup on the bike and and not
chasing as much as hayden andchristian were, and it was
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really haydenden and Christiantaking turns pulling that chase
pack up.
So he certainly used a lot more.
The swim was a factor there andeven though Hayden and
Christian had better swims thanwe expected, it was still a
factor come the final K on thatrun for sure.
And I think it was interestingto see some of the Americans
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struggle with the swim outsideof Seth, ryder and Spivey, you
find out, maybe they didn't dothe recon, maybe they didn't
talk about the current as muchas they should have and things
like that.
So kudos to the nations thatdid and figure out the routes
and things to take.
So yeah, that's enough aboutthe individuals.
But yeah, that's enough aboutthe individuals.
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The mixed team relay was thetrue winner of the racing world
because we've seen some photofinishes.
But it's been a good year fortriathlon that way, and on the
track and in the swimming pool.
But in triathlon center stage,mixed team relay, fede how'd it
go down?
Speaker 3 (27:53):
It was what a race.
The mixed team relays and itjust goes to show how incredible
these athletes are and how gladam I that the mixed team relays
is part of the Olympic program.
It's just exciting and you cansee that it means that much.
I mean, we as triathletesprobably not you and me, josh,
because we grew up playing teamsports, but a lot of triathletes
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are very self-driven andthey've always been used to
being a one-man show orone-woman show and just thinking
for yourself and all of this.
But adding the team elementjust makes you look how excited
these guys were of representingtheir country and racing for
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something bigger than themselves.
They didn't want to let theirteammates down.
They want to make their countryproud.
They were racing for more thanthemselves.
So it was amazing, amazing.
It was an amazing race and wehad obviously the favorites
France, we had Australia, we hadGermany, the US.
Of course, we had Norway, newZealand, but I mean, I don't
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want to say again dark horse,but not.
A lot of people were looking atGermany as a gold medal
contender, people were lookingat the US, people were looking
at Great Britain, people werelooking at France, australia,
new Zealand, but maybe notGermany and the fact that Maybe
Belgium, but they weren'tallowed to race.
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Maybe Belgium, but they weren'tallowed to race.
Yeah, man, yeah, a girl gotsick and they couldn't complete
the mixed team relay.
But yeah, it was an incrediblerace.
You know, this time it was girlboy, girl boy.
And the Germans were so goodthey had already won in Hamburg
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earlier and they backed it upwith another mixed team relay
win.
They took the gold.
A very smart race from theGermans.
The lead man was very good andthe anchor woman, laura
Lindemann, was amazing,outstanding on the bike, very
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smart.
She used all the bike powerthat Taylor Neve has on the bike
to bridge up to to um, greatBritain.
And Beth Potter, and you know,like, like I was mentioning
before Beth come, coming from atrack and field background, and
this being an 1800 meter run,everybody was talking about how
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Beth Potter was going to runaway from everyone.
But nope it.
I mean.
This shows you that this is notjust an 1,800-meter race, it's
a triathlon and you need to bestrong in all three disciplines.
And probably the bike took alittle bit out of Beth's pop on
the run that she couldn'trespond to Laura Lindemann.
(30:50):
So Germany took the win, the UStook silver and I attribute the
silver medal to, of course,everyone, but if there was an
mvp it had to be taylor nip.
I mean, she was riding her gutsout.
She bridged the gap and theneven attacked the race from you
(31:11):
know, uh, from transition and uh, she was giving attacks and she
laid everything out there.
So nothing to be ashamed for.
An amazing silver medal for theUS and a lot of respect for
Taylor Neve.
You know this was the last eventfor her in this Olympics.
The individual time trialdidn't go as well as it could
(31:35):
have gone because you know also,she had rain and a few
mechanicals and just a lot ofmisfortune on the individual
event, just bad luck.
And this was a very coolredemption race and you could
see that it meant that much toher that she was like, okay, I'm
going to give it out,everything I have.
And I think she was the reasonwhy the us won silver and great
(31:55):
britain, beth, held on for forbronze.
She also did an amazing race inthe individual and uh, not
taking anything from her, but,um, she was struggling.
Out of the three she was theone that looked the most
vulnerable on the run and uh,but yeah, kudos to the germans.
Uh, you know, the last Germantriathlon champion was Jan
(32:20):
no-transcript.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah, it was really neat to see you, like you said,
the whole team aspect of it.
You know, and our listeners whowho listen to the podcast
regularly know I'm a big fan ofrelays in general.
I've done two of them myself inthe rmn.
So big fan of it, uh, and itwas really cool to see.
It was unfortunate that wedidn't get to see the new
zealand team and the french teamthat we thought we were going
(32:44):
to get to see.
With the the early crash on thesecond lap of the bike, one of
the last U-turns on the bikecourse, we had Pierre Lecour and
Hayden Wild go down in a prettyserious crash where there were
some mechanicals on top of thecrash and Hayden Wild came into
(33:05):
T3, I guess you could call it T3.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Yeah, T3.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
T3, bloodied for the tag off, and then the French
were over a minute down.
And when you get a minute downin a race where there's drafting
, not easy to catch up, uh,which was another cool story to
see I mean to see cassandrabogran get them all the way back
to fourth and run the run, theleg that she ran to finish that
(33:33):
race with nothing to win.
Um yeah other than that wasreally cool, uh, that was just
pride.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
You could see the pride that she was like I don't
care if we don't get, if wedon't win a medal, and it just
shows you the type of athletesthese guys are.
They're at different levels.
I know probably what was goingon through her mind.
She was like I cannot live withmyself if I don't put 100% on
this relay, no matter what, andthat's why she had the fastest
(34:01):
run split.
And if the course was I don'tknow 700 meters longer, probably
she could have.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
She could have won uh , uh bronze I agree, and, and
unlike the individual races, weactually saw a penalty for an
early swim start.
So there was yeah, there was apenalty there in t1, um.
And the other thing that Ithought was interesting and I've
asked a few people this,including some people involved
(34:27):
with usa triathlon, and I'd loveto get your take on it and the
audience chime in, if you'd liketo, on our social media page.
But what are your thoughts on?
There's two scenarios here BethPotter trying to get away on
the bike, and okay, is that thecorrect strategy?
And this could come down to towe just didn't have enough to
(34:48):
make team relay races thisseason and and there wasn't much
of a trial, and and then theother one is should taylor nib
be taylor nib and try and getaway on the bike?
Or, when she caught lauralindeman, should she had teamed
up with Laura to bridge up toBeth together to save her legs
(35:11):
for the run?
So what?
are your takes on those twoscenarios oh man.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
I mean this is picking Harris right now,
splitting Harris, but I thinkthe way the race panned out was
the best way, that athletesthought that they were putting
themselves in the best positionto win.
I think waiting to bridge thegap and then pushing together
(35:36):
would have been a bit risky, butno, I think this was the best
way of doing it.
I think because I think Taylorwas betting that she was going
to break the legs out ofeveryone on the bike and kudos
to Germany because they held onto her, will not pulling, just
(35:56):
letting Taylor do all thepulling.
So this was the best.
It was a strategic race fromthe Germans.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
It was very gutsy and hard on the hand by the US and
a holding out for dear life andfor pride from Great Britain and
then again a very gutsy andpride moment from France from
finishing fourth and just a veryunfortunate series of events
that took and new zealand thatof picture very early on yeah, I
(36:28):
agree, and I kudos to the thevideo coverage of the event for
actually catching the girlsclipping out, uh, or getting out
of their their shoes cominginto t2 on that final leg,
because it's a huge piece oftransition and, in the short
course world especially, and fora race to have three bikers
(36:50):
that close together, to actuallysee all three of them go
through that process, and and tosee taylor started early and
actually get the advantage,because she did start early
enough and was able to powerdown, while the other two are
still kind of fumbling around,and we all know taylor's had
some issues with her transition,so she she certainly wanted to
(37:10):
get some time between herself,and she actually needed it,
because she fumbled to get hersneakers on and and ended up
leaving t2 in second place, Ibelieve.
So, yep, that definitely was afactor, and the only thing I
didn't like, though, is we lostour good broadcasters from the
individual race.
Yeah, we didn't have the samequality of triathlon announcers
(37:32):
for the mixed team relay.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah, well, that's in the US broadcast, but on the
Mexican TV we had one.
I don't want to say names, butthere were two.
I'm just going to say one ofthe two was horrible and it was
a surprise, because this personis a former pro triathlete, so
it was just, oh, she kept sayingTokyo 2021 for some reason, and
(37:59):
that just a lot of things.
But, um, yeah, can we just havepeople that are qualified to do
the broadcast in all languagesplease, because it's a bit
annoying that people that aregetting into the sport get, uh,
not the correct information allthe time yeah, no, it's a.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
It's a huge event and it's the biggest event for
these kids and these girls andthese guys of their year for the
most part.
And, yeah, they deserve thattype of coverage too.
So I mean all in all, it was agreat couple days for triathlon
in general.
Yeah, I think, yeah, I thinkthis won a lot of fans and yeah
it was awesome to see thestreets packed with people, and,
(38:39):
and the same thing goes withthe, the road race too, I mean
remco and and wow, what a coolrace and what a cool course, uh,
and I don't know if you want totouch on that real quick fed,
because you were, uh, you wereall over remco and we had a huge
upset in the ladies field.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Oh, yeah, it was an incredible race from remco I I
just thinking about it I gotchills because he wanted.
He knew his A race was going tobe the time trial at the
Olympics and I'm sure he wasover the moon with his result at
the Tour de France this yearhis first Tour de France on the
(39:20):
podium, but then going to theOlympics in Paris showing to the
TT next to guys as big as Woutand Filippo Ganna, who are
monsters on the bike, and himexploiting everything he has on
aerodynamics and power andeverything I don't.
I'm pretty sure he's the guywith the lowest CDA on the pro
(39:43):
peloton.
He's so slippery.
He's not a very muscular guy.
Yes, I mean his quads arehumongous, but he's not like the
biggest guy.
I mean it's like, all of asudden, me going against you on
a flat TT.
You'd put nine times out of 10all the money on you because you
can push more power.
But the fact that he was soslippery on the, on the tt and
(40:07):
taking the, the gold and thenbacking it up on the road race,
having a flat, like onekilometer before the finishing
line and then, uh, yeah, it wasjust amazing to watch and what a
what a race, but I I don't knowif you want to touch a little
bit more on this, but on thegirl's side we have a very
amazing story.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
I mean, I don't know if you want to explain to the
audience what happened, becauseI feel, like you, you deserve
explaining it, because you arean american yeah, so we, we had
a historical day for americancycling, uh, for sure, and as
some of you might know who havelistened to the show or followed
triathlon, taylor nibb gave upher spot in the road race so
(40:47):
that she could focus on themixed team relay, which was the
day before the road race.
So she felt, oh sorry, the roadrace was the day before the
mixed team triathlon and shedidn't want to do the road race
and then be tired for the mixedteam.
So again, kudos to Taylor forgiving up her spot.
She gave it up to a trackcyclist, kirsten Faulkner, up
(41:09):
her spot.
She gave it up to a trackcyclist, uh, kirsten faulkner,
who really just started ridingless than a 10, 10 years ago.
She was a collegiate rower anda hedge fund venture capitalist
in new york city and decided toride a bike a few years ago.
And next thing, you know, she'sa pro cyclist and on the end,
uh, on the team pursuit, uh,cycling team, and gets tapped to
do the road race.
And she had done some recon.
I just heard her do aninterview yesterday or today.
(41:31):
She looked at this course andshe knew exactly if she got to
the couple mile mark, 5k marksomewhere around there that she
had picked a spot where she wasgoing to go and she was racing
against the defending Olympicchampion and Voss.
And Voss, and trying to bridgeup to the two of them, pulled
(41:55):
her weight up to the lead pack,caught them and then almost
instantaneously took off andpulled away from the other three
.
And you're expecting, okay,they'll let her go and then
they'll work together.
And the three of them juststarted looking around like they
were getting ready for a sprintfinish and there were still a
couple kilometers left.
They let her go.
(42:16):
So if you have not watched thisrace, just go watch the last 10
minutes maybe, because it's epicand it's a really cool finish
anyways.
So check out Remco's and andand the and the woman's race.
But it's what a performance.
She literally TT to the end andthere was no response.
She had to solo ride into thefinish.
And then you did have a sprintfinish for second, third and
(42:39):
fourth, and one of them is notgoing to get a medal and that
was a photo finish.
So just another epic, epic,epic, cool moment for endurance,
sports and cycling andeverything that we cover on a
daily basis.
So kudos to her.
And then last night she goesand joins the team pursuit and
her and Chloe Dygart team,together with two other
teammates, and they drop anothergold medal.
(43:00):
So this girl, who wasn't evenin cycling less than 10 years
ago, has now put two gold medalstogether in less than a few
days.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Amazing, and I mean it's crazy because this happened
the exact same last Olympics onthe women's road race.
I don't know if you remember,but the girl who won was like
this you know, just a PhDrecently graduated person, just
a PhD recently graduated person.
And then she took off and thegirls had no idea that somebody
(43:32):
was up the road and the girl whowon second was celebrating as
she was winning the gold medal,but somebody had finished before
her.
Kind of like the same scenarioof what happened.
But yeah, it's amazing that ithappened back-to-back olympics
and what a story yeah, really,really cool.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Uh, so many moments in the olympics.
We could.
We could have a whole nothershow on that, but we're a
triathlon podcast, so we try andkeep it to cycling and
triathlon.
So, speaking of triathlon, uh,now that we've kind of done our
race results and everything,we've got a big, big iron man
coming up and we also have areally cool short course coming
up.
So I think, uh, jumping into,before we get into the, the
(44:15):
start list coming up, the socialmedia post of the week is just
check out super try.
Uh, super try underscore istheir instagram account.
They've now announced three ofthe four teams, so the athletes
are coming out and, as we talkedabout before the Olympics and
based on some of the connectionsI have with the people running
(44:36):
Supertri and the coaches, weknew there were going to be a
ton of Olympians and, sureenough, your gold medalists are
on these teams, your silvermedalists are on these teams,
your bronze medalists are onthese teams.
The mixed team relay, so supertry starting off their season
right here in boston august 18th.
Um, there's still one team tobe announced, so the brownlee
team, uh, allister and johnny'steam is going to announce their
(44:58):
roster, I think probablytomorrow, and so keep your eyes
on super try, and right now itis thursday, so we should have
an answer from them on Fridaywhen our podcast drops.
So check out the SuperTriInstagram social account and
give them a follow, becausetheir season in the outdoor
world is about to kick off, onAugust 18th, and then it goes to
(45:19):
Chicago and on and on.
So really cool opportunity, ifyou're in the US or in other
parts of the world that they hitthroughout the year, to check
out some of these Olympians upand close.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Yep 100%.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
And then, real quick, our WTF of the week is the one
and only Tomas Jeepers.
Yet again and not unsurprisingnews came out this week that we
had somebody else doping.
Uh, yeah, and in claiming thatthey didn't know that they were
(45:55):
doping and a lot of differentthings there, and it's obviously
hit close to home to fede andand others, uh, in the mexican
region, just because it juststarts pointing fingers that
don't need to be pointed.
Um yeah but what an unfortunatesituation it's.
It's thankful, uh, that thepeople who he is beat out in
(46:16):
some of these races are going toget their money and get their
kona slots as well.
Yeah, there's a post.
There's a post that I put up onour another triathlon podcast,
um, that's from a study from afew years ago from water.
Uh, that shows that he'sprobably not going to win his
appeal.
Uh, based on the way that theyare doing this testing, they
know whether or not it wasconsumed which is what he's
(46:37):
claiming he did and or if it wastaken.
Uh, yeah, so unfortunate, uhand so unfortunate, uh, and
hopefully we get some coolstories out of it, like andre
lopes getting to go to kona uh,yeah, that's awesome and and
some others getting some.
I mean, now patrick lang is yourdefending texas champion, yeah,
so a lot of different things tocome over.
(46:57):
What is what's your take fed?
I know you're you're such aanti-doping um cohort on this
and we talk about it all thetime, unfortunately, but what's
uh, what are your, your gutfeelings?
Speaker 3 (47:09):
yeah, I mean uh, it's very heartbreaking to see when
and a pro athlete cheats ortries to cheat the system, uh,
by doping.
Uh, he probably has his reasons.
However, I don't see any validpoint for somebody who cheats
(47:31):
and dopes.
It's just not cool.
I don't think there's room fordopers in our sport or any sport
.
And it's funny because a coupleof days before all of this
happened, I reposted a statementby Michael Phelps that he was
saying that he wants lifetimebans for dopers, and a couple
days after that, after he postedthat and I reposted it, the
(47:54):
news broke out.
So I was like, yeah, I mean, Idon't see why we are forgiving
these athletes, uh, for doping,because if they did it once,
they're probably going to do itagain or they're going to try to
find ways to cheat the system,and for now, the situation is
(48:15):
not set in stone.
I mean, he appealed it but,like you said, he's probably not
going to win it.
I mean the fact that thestatement that he's using is a
very poor statement about how hegot a positive test.
Um, I, I mean, and I don't wantto say that all dopers sound the
(48:40):
same, but they do.
They all say it was somethingbad, they ate.
They didn't know they were,they were putting an illegal
substance in her on their body,and the fact that he is a
mexican triathlete it's a littlebit tougher because, uh, you
know, it's not that there are alot of of long distance
(49:04):
triathletes and he was one guywho got the Mexican triathlon
community excited about.
But I guess that if easy comes,easy goes, and I don't want to
say his rose to fame was out ofnowhere, but it was very sketchy
(49:28):
to put it one way or the other,and I'm just glad that the
people who are working with theanti-doping agencies and all
that catch people that cheat, nomatter the ethnicity, no matter
what.
This is not a Mexican problem,this is a sport problem.
All nationalities dope, matterwhat.
This is not a mexican problem,this is a sport problem.
Um, all nationality is dope.
(49:48):
I just think it's the lowest ofthe low that you could do as an
athlete, you know, callingyourself professional and then
cheating the system and lookingyour competitors in the eye and
and say congratulations, I bidyou, but you know you're dirty.
So yeah, yeah, that's yeah, notcool.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
No, and not to make light of it, it has brought out
the best in some of the comedicprofessional athletes in
triathlon.
Check out Joe Skipper.
He's had some fun with it.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
Yeah, that was fun.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
There was even one of our previous dopers, Colin
Chartier, was called out in acomment.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
That was the best one .
Speaker 2 (50:28):
Somebody said well, colin, uh dopers, colin chartier
was uh called out in a.
That was the best one.
Somebody.
Somebody said well, colin, doyou need a new realtor?
Uh, with your agency, and Ithink we found somebody we can
send your way and colin's like,wants to cheat always, always a
good house cleaner or somethinglike that.
So, uh, yeah, unfortunately, um.
So yeah, I think we've got,we've covered everything we
needed to cover today.
(50:49):
I think our plan is next weekto hopefully have some people on
from Super Tri, as we've talkedabout before.
So we'll get into the Super Triraces next week for sure.
But if we don't get a chance totalk about Frankfurt, let's
cover that now, because we'vegot the start list and it's
packed.
There are six spots left forKona, and this is for Ironman
(51:11):
Frankfurt, european champs, Ithink next week, so August 18th,
as well, and we've got thelikes of Patrick Lange,
christian Blumenfeld, mattHansen, jackson Laundrie, colin
Such, robert Gwecki, trevorFoley again.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
Again.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
Paul Schuster, pamfield Perron, clement Mignon,
nick Thompson, andre Lopez isgoing, braden Curry, Bradley
Weiss, cam Werf I mean the listgoes on and on.
This field's packed.
But you also got a lot of theseguys who are racing for the
ironman pro series points.
Yeah, not necessarily theirkona slots.
(51:50):
So the kona slots are going todrop potentially down into 10
plus uh placings, uh, dependingon how the race goes for the
favorites or the people thatalready have kona slots yeah,
it's going to be.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
it's going to be an interesting race because, like
you said, there's going to bepeople racing for Kona spots
being very strategic and thenthere's going to be people
racing for the Ironman Series,so it's going to be like two
races within the race.
Yeah, it's going to be exciting, for sure.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
It will be interesting because we're now
getting into all that stuffwe've talked about, where every
second counts right.
Speaker 3 (52:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
And you don't want to let a winner go up the road
like you do in the Tour deFrance.
Maybe because they're not goingafter the GC?
Well, now every one of theseguys are going after the GC.
Speaker 3 (52:38):
True.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
They start the clock though.
So even if they're not acontender in the Pro Series,
they're starting your clock.
Yeah, so even if they're not acontender in the pro series,
they're starting your clock, andyou might see a Patrick Lango
hold on on the bike a littlelonger than he wants to, because
he doesn't want to come frombehind in the run and chase
(53:01):
people down.
You've got Trevor Foley what ishis strategy?
And so it will definitely be aninteresting race, and it's one
of those races, too, where thewinning time's gone anywhere
from just over eight minutes oreight hours to like 740.
So what kind of conditions dowe get is going to be a factor
as well.
So I don't know, fed, who doyou think is going to take it?
And I mean, obviously we'regoing to have huge Kona
(53:23):
implications and huge Pro Seriesimplications, but who do you
think is going to take the topstep?
Speaker 3 (53:28):
I mean, I think I'm going to go with.
Since Jenna's not here, I'mgoing to go Canadian and I'm
going to pick Jackson for thewin.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
You think he learned his lesson in Lake Placid, huh?
Speaker 3 (53:44):
Yeah, I think so, I think so, and I think he has
seen it for a revenge.
What about you?
Speaker 2 (53:49):
Man.
I mean along the same lines.
I think we've got some athletesthat have been racing, racing
consistently and racing well,and I don't know how you pick
against Trevor Foley right now.
So I'm going to stick with thekid and I believe a win here
would put him right up at thetop, depending on how Matt
(54:13):
Hanson does and how PatrickLange does.
You've got all the top guys inthe pro series there getting
ready for Kona.
I like our picks, yeah.
So Jackson and Trevor Fo foleyall right, we'll check back in
after frankfurt and, uh,hopefully next week we'll have
(54:34):
our big super try episode.
If not, we'll definitely getback to you, um, with a regular
episode and discuss the what wefeel about that coming up.
But, uh, we don't always ask,but please go give us a follow
at another triathlon podcast oninstagram.
Rate like, do whatever you canto help us out in the podcast
world.
There's a lot, of, a lot ofdifferent options out there, so
(54:56):
we appreciate those of you thatlisten to us and let your
friends know about it.
So thanks for everyone thatthat has gotten us to a year
plus and, uh, we're just goingto keep doing what we do.
So, everyone, have a greatnight.
Fed, awesome talking.
Speaker 3 (55:10):
Yeah, good to talk to you, man, all right.
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