July 8, 2025 • 24 mins
In this episode, Lauren delves into the profound and sensitive topic of baby souls returning after loss, such as miscarriage, termination, or stillbirth. Drawing from her career as a NICU nurse and her work in baby soul communication, she explores the reasons why not all babies survive, the spiritual journeys of baby souls, and the various influences on their decisions. With an emphasis on empathy and understanding, Lauren provides a comforting perspective for those navigating the heartbreak of pregnancy loss, offering insights on how these traumatic experiences can contribute to the soul’s growth and healing journey. Tune in to gain a deeper understanding of the soul contracts, karmic lessons, and spiritual influences that play a role in these profound life events.
00:00 Introduction: The Question of Returning Souls
01:17 Acknowledging the Sensitivity of Loss
02:03 The Reality of Baby Loss
03:38 Understanding the Soul's Journey
04:51 Factors Influencing a Soul's Return
08:13 The Role of Karma in Soul Journeys
09:05 Timing and Readiness for Return
11:17 The Soul's Perspective on Miscarriage
13:33 Adjusting to Earth's Energy
19:07 Karmic Lessons and Healing
24:24 Conclusion: Checking in with the Soul
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(00:03):
Welcome to Babies from Beyond, the podcast that gives all
babies a voice whether they are still in spirit or already earth
side. I'm Lauren Dionysius, a former
Registered NICU nurse turned baby soul Communicator, and I'm
here to share the wisdom of today's babies to guide you on
(00:25):
your motherhood journey. So before we dive in, I do want
to acknowledge the sensitivity of this topic and honour all of
you who are listening who may benavigating loss at the moment,
whether that be miscarriage, termination, ectopic, still
(00:47):
birth, any of these things. They are very profound,
powerful, but also heartbreakingexperiences for not only your
human self, but your soul self as well.
But they're also very powerful in that bigger perspective or
that bigger picture. So I really hope that today's
(01:09):
episode can bring some comfort to your journey if this is what
you are navigating at this time.So I want to start with the
reality. And if you've been listening to
me for a while, you'll have heard me say this before.
But the truth is that not all babies survive.
And I firmly believe that if allbabies were supposed to survive,
(01:32):
then they would. It's hasn't always been that way
for me. I believed for many, many years
that all babies should survive, and the fact that they weren't
was wrong on every single level.I blamed God, I blamed the
universe, I blamed anyone and everything I could think of in
relation to this. Because as a nurse caring for
(01:53):
babies and witnessing the loss and the death of countless
babies during my career, it was something that I was never able
to make peace with until I started communicating and asking
these babies like, what is goingon here?
And as I said, the truth is somebabies do not survive.
(02:13):
Many pregnancies do not continue.
Not all babies who even move through the birth portal
survive. So we have miscarriage, we have
still birth, we have ectopics, we have termination, all of
these things where the soul comes for a period of time and
then leaves again. And so I really hope in this
(02:34):
episode that I can offer you a different perspective around
this journey. And that's from their
perspective, from their souls perspective.
Because what I've learned over the years is that for some
babies can't come on the first go for whatever reason.
They conceive, they continue throughout pregnancy, they're
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born happy, healthy, well, but this is not the reality for many
babies. And this is because there are
different reasons and they have different experiences that
they're coming here to journey through just like we all do.
And so for many babies, it does take more than one attempt,
sometimes multiple attempts overmultiple conceptions for them to
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successfully come to Earth. And this is not just that
something's gone wrong on the physical level, although that
can absolutely be part of the process.
It's also about their journey and what they need for their
journey. So when we dive into this topic
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of will your baby that you lost,will they return to you, then we
need to understand more about the journey of the soul and why
these babies would come and and leave the earth.
So what I've come to learn is that there's a few things that
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influence a baby soul's decisionto return to the Earth.
So it depends on what their plans are for their Earth's
journey. So as you may have heard me
speak to already, a soul comes to the earth with some kind of
plan, some kind of agreement, some kind of outline of what
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they're here to learn, to teach,to explore, to experience.
It's not all set in stone. I don't believe the Earth is as
predictable as that. I think it before it was very
predictable and all set in concrete.
Then what's the point really of coming?
Because a big part of the Earth's journey is that
unpredictability is that seeing how things are going to unfold,
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seeing how all of the energies, not just on the Earth, but also
between other people, between other souls, experiences,
actions, thoughts, behaviours, all of these things can
influence that plan or influencethat journey ahead.
So that's a big part of what determines a soul's decision to
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return is what their plans are like.
What is that plan? What are they coming to do?
Why are they bothering to make the journey to Earth?
What's that about? Something else that they take
into consideration is the soul contracts or the agreements that
they've made for their life here.
So that can be their agreement or contracts with their parents,
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either one parent or both. It can also be for other people
in their life. It could be siblings, it could
be partners later in life, it could be friends, extended
family, all of these things. It's based those agreements
between souls that have made some kind of pact to have some
kind of experience or connectionhere on the earth.
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So depending on that contract, depending on the other souls
involved, will also influence a baby soul's return to the earth
because it is about what they'rehere to learn, but it's also
about what you're here to learn as well.
And even though any sort of lossis heartbreaking to us as
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humans, they're also some of themost powerful ways for the soul
to heal and for the soul to grow.
So you may have heard me mentionthat I do at times like to
separate the soul's experience and the humans experience.
Because often what can be very powerful for the soul and
(06:38):
profound and healing can be verybrutal and disturbing and
devastating for us on the human level that need to walk through
that fire or to have those experiences that our soul has
chosen for us to have. The human part of me still
really struggles with that at times, so sometimes we do need
to separate that a little, but yeah, there.
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As to whether they will return to you also depends what you're
here to learn from them, from pregnancy, from motherhood, from
your side of the fence as well. Another thing that influences a
baby's return is the karmic lessons or the patterns that may
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need healing as well. And I'm going to talk a little
bit more about karma in a moment, but I just wanted to
park that there. That as well as the plans as
well as the agreements, there's also karma or different
experiences that need to be havethat are based on past
experiences or past journeys to earth that may need some
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support, some growth, some healing, a new perspective.
And so this is also what souls take into consideration when
planning to return to the earth after loss.
And also, even if a soul does decide to return after loss,
there's also the timing that needs to be taken into
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consideration and the readiness not just for your soul having
experienced the loss, which those of you who are listening,
who understand this, like understand the profound brutal
physical experience of loss, theemotional, mental, energetic
toll that that any kind of pregnancy loss can take on you.
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So souls returning will take that into consideration.
And it's not always appropriate or helpful for you for them to
return, right? As humans, we need time for
processing, we need time for integration, we need time for
healing. And that's often needed to be
done in that space in between the experiences, rather than
having an experience come back straight away in an attempt to
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heal. In doing this work, that's not
always the best way to to support any soul is to have
another experience on top of it.Often there needs to be space.
And again, this is a generalization.
It's not true for everyone and in all situations.
But a soul returning, following loss, often both souls need a
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little time, a little space, andeven the soul who has left as
well. Just as you're going through a
release and a process and an integration around the loss of
your pregnancy, they are also experiencing the release of the
Earth world, the Earth's energy,their connection to what was
their physical body. And they're also integrating or
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reconnecting back to the spirit world and whatever learning or
growth or reflections that they need to do about their journey
for Earth and whether they need to make changes to their plans
or their journey based on what they learnt during their short
time here, which is often a really profound purpose,
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especially for souls who leave through miscarriage.
And in my experience, souls who leave through miscarriage, it's
generally their decision to leave.
And this can be based on many reasons.
Often it's the body that they have become connected to is not
the body that's going to supportthem in this life, whether
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that's on a physical level, a chromosomal level, even like the
biological sex. Some babies may think I want to
come as a girl and then they come and into a girl body.
And then they realize, actually,no, this is not what I want.
This is not what I need for thislife.
I'm going to leave and return. And on the soul level, it sounds
very matter of fact, very direct.
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There's not a lot of emotion involved.
But as we know here on Earth, weare all about emotions, and we
do experience emotions when we have these types of situations
unfold in our life. So that's a very big difference
I've learned between us humans here on Earth and the souls in
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spirit is that their decisions are much less clouded, are much
less emotional, and are much more direct.
It's like this is not what I needed, so I change it.
Whereas us as humans, we don't really function so well around
that. We don't tend to be as clear
without decisions because there's normally a lot of layers
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for it. But with a soul, it tends to be
very simple for them. This isn't working.
I'm going to leave and I'll try again another day.
It is often with so many of these souls, just as simple as
that. So whether they return to you
will depend on also on what the reason was for them leaving.
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So as I mentioned, this can be around that they're in the body
that's not going to support them.
They may realize it's not the right timing for you or for
them. It can be that they're just
trying to get used to the Earth's energy, especially those
souls who may not have been to the Earth before, They haven't
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been here for a while, or perhaps things have changed a
lot since they were last here onthe Earth.
Or they're a really high vibrational soul coming to a
planet that can be pretty dense at times, especially with the
world that we're in right now. And it's always been layers of
density throughout history. So it's not that now is a bad
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time for souls to come. There's still plenty of souls
coming, but a big part of their journey is their adjustment to
the Earth's energy. And the way I describe this is
imagine if you have never been to a country before.
Say you've never been to Africa,and suddenly you book a flight,
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you board the plane and you landsomewhere in the middle of
Kenya. You don't speak Swahili.
You don't understand the culture, you don't know where
you are, you don't understand the maps.
Everything is so foreign to you.Everything is so different to
you that you just, it's overwhelming to you.
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You may have that sense of culture shock or I just want to
leave. I don't want to be here.
So it can be very jarring to just be plonked into a foreign
country where you've never been before and you don't know and
told that, OK, you're going to live in Kenya for the next 100
years. For most of us, that is very
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overwhelming. It's very daunting and something
that we probably not really wantto do.
And I find it's the same with babies.
And so with that, it would make more logical sense if you went
to Africa for a month, you did asafari, you had a look around,
you got to, maybe you bought a friend, maybe you had a tour
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guide or you had a try before you buy.
Most of us would not go and livein a foreign country sight
unseen without having experienced at first or gone
there for a holiday or at least done a significant amount of
research around the place. And this is what I find with
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babies who are coming to the Earth at this time.
They don't want to just be plunked on the Earth where on a
planet they don't understand or they can't really remember it.
If it's been a while since they were last here, it may be that
if they're coming into a different country where they
haven't incarnated before, again, maybe they are kids who
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have been born to Africa before and suddenly they're being born
into Australia. That's a big culture shock.
It's a big language difference. It's a very different energetic
frequency between Africa and Australia.
And so for a baby soul to go from spirit to the earth for 100
years, it can be like us literally landing in the African
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Savannah and saying like, off you go.
So I hope that helps you to understand the the soul's
journey a little bit more and why some souls do need to come
multiple times. It's like we might go to Africa
345 times before we decide to live there or before we feel
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confident enough or safe enough or ready enough to to live in
Africa. The same with souls.
Like there are souls absolutely who will come once and stay
depending on their energy, theirreasons, when they were last
here, their purpose, all of these things.
But there are many souls who, I would say the majority of souls,
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to be honest, who take more thanone go to, to stay here.
And there's some souls that, unfortunately for you, need to
come 345 or sometimes more timesin order for them to acclimate,
to become more used to the Earth, to feel safe enough,
comfortable enough to be able tocommit to a lifetime here on
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Earth. Because once they're here, they
can't just suddenly change theirmind and say, oh, no, I'm out of
here. It just doesn't work that way.
So again, on that soul's perspective, these souls get to
have for a reason, these opportunities to piece by piece,
conception by conception, becomemore used to the Earth's energy.
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And each time they come, it becomes a little bit easier.
And then for the majority of these children, they will then
stay and a pregnancy will be successful.
They will birth into the world and they will have that that
long life that they initially planned.
But it doesn't just happen overnight.
And I think that's where we, we don't consider this.
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We, we just think that they'll come and that's it.
But it's not as straightforward as that.
So it's that, yeah, that time toadjust that can take more than
one conception. Sometimes too, a soul may be
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coming to the earth to help you heal.
And especially if there has beena lot of karma between you, the
2 of you say you and this child.And I'll come back to karma in a
moment, but if there's a lot of previous soul history between
the two of you, it can become very challenging for you to
both, you know, for a soul to come into your womb and then
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stay there, and then for you to go on and have a long life
together again. That can be very intense.
If there's been a lot of trauma in your soul's history, healing
that needs to be done, some unfinished business, a lot of
energy that is really powerful. But also, I'm not saying it's
all bad. There can be souls that have had
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very powerful experiences together as well.
So it's not about whether it's been a good history or a bad
history. It's more about the intensity of
that because again, it can be overwhelming for both souls, you
and them if they come and stay. So that's something that also
needs to be taken into consideration.
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And just like the soul I mentioned previously where it
can be, they need several times to come here to get used to the
Earth's energy. It can also take time for you
and this souls who's coming to you to also get used to each
other. You know, it's like meeting a
friend for coffee as opposed to suddenly moving in with them
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forever. It can take time for that
relationship to develop. And I'm just talking mostly
about miscarriage here. That can be a really powerful
way on the soul level, not the human level, to help these
souls, your soul and their soul to adjust to each other and also
to prepare each other for the journey that you have together
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ahead. So that's something also to
consider. So now I want to go into karma
and I have talked a little bit about this already in this
episode so far. So if you've heard me speak
about karma before, I don't see it as reward or punishment, I
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see karma as about balance. The way I tend to see karma is a
pendulum, like literally a ball on a string and one experience
will make it swing one way. And to find balance, we often
need to have the opposite experience for it to swing back
in the other direction. And that's what I find like
karma, it always wants to come back into balance, come back
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into stillness. Using the pendulum analogy, it's
like the ball on the string justwants to be sitting at the
bottom still and not swinging too much either side.
But being here on the earth as ahuman, that's not why we come.
But we do come to have these different swings.
So if I bring this back to. The motherhood journey and about
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loss. So around miscarriage, if your
soul once left a body through miscarriage in another woman's
life, whether that is your mother in this life, you may
have been one of her miscarriages, you may or may not
be aware of that. And so one way for you to
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experience that in a deeper way is to be on the receiving end of
that. So a soul coming to you who
chooses to leave through miscarriage, it's not about
punishment at all. But again, the soul loves to
experience situations from different perspectives, from
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both sides of the fence, seeing both sides of the story.
And I guess it reminds me a little bit of like a game of
tennis like where you can't understand the game fully and
then you can't understand the journey of life fully unless you
learn to serve and to receive. So you won't find a good tennis
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player who is great at serving but can't receive.
And you also won't find a great tennis player who can receive
till the cows come home without knowing how to serve if they
don't have a good serve. So this is what I find the soul
wants. It's multidimensional.
It wants to be able to see the same thing from different
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perspectives. And so when I see comic reasons
around miscarriage, termination,not so much still birth, but
that's also very possible. It can be that your soul is
wanting to have a different experience from the other side
of the fence to what your soul had experienced previously, as
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these baby souls can come to youto help you have those
experiences for you and for themas well.
So I know this is a big topic and I think it's probably too
big for one episode, but if a baby soul does return to you,
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and there are many who will, it's important to remember that
it's actually a brand new lifetime for them.
And it may have been three months ago, six months ago that
you were last pregnant with them.
But that journey for them, that life for them, whether it was 4
weeks, 6 weeks, 12 weeks, 20 weeks, it has now become their
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past life. Even though it's still within
your lifetime, it's now a past life for them.
So when they leave the earth andthey take time to re evaluate,
review plans, see what they're wanting to do in their next
life, see if they need to make any changes.
Sometimes they may decide to pick up where they left off or
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they may decide to come back with a completely different plan
as well. Again, depending on their
journey, their timelines, their soul contracts, agreements,
karma, all of these things that we've talked about today.
And I'm sorry if this is really confusing in many ways, but at
the end of the day, what's most important is that we check in
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with with the soul, check in with what's going on for them,
why they're here, what they need, see where they're at
because things can and do change, but they are the ones
that have the answer. So I'm going to leave it here
for today's episode. Please be gentle with yourself
if this has been triggering for you or if this has brought up
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any feelings or amplified any sense of grief for you.
Please make sure that you receive the support that you
need to guide you on your journey and through the
navigation of loss and grief. Thank you for tuning in to
Babies From Beyond. If you've enjoyed this episode,
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notes for more ways that you canconnect with your baby's soul,
including one-on-one readings and online programs to support
you. Until next time, trust your
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journey and your baby. Take care.
Welcome to Babies from Beyond, the podcast that gives all
babies a voice whether they are still in spirit or already earth
side. I'm Lauren Dionysius, a former
Registered NICU nurse turned baby soul Communicator, and I'm
here to share the wisdom of today's babies to guide you on
(00:25):
your motherhood journey. So before we dive in, I do want
to acknowledge the sensitivity of this topic and honour all of
you who are listening who may benavigating loss at the moment,
whether that be miscarriage, termination, ectopic, still
(00:47):
birth, any of these things. They are very profound,
powerful, but also heartbreakingexperiences for not only your
human self, but your soul self as well.
But they're also very powerful in that bigger perspective or
that bigger picture. So I really hope that today's
(01:09):
episode can bring some comfort to your journey if this is what
you are navigating at this time.So I want to start with the
reality. And if you've been listening to
me for a while, you'll have heard me say this before.
But the truth is that not all babies survive.
And I firmly believe that if allbabies were supposed to survive,
(01:32):
then they would. It's hasn't always been that way
for me. I believed for many, many years
that all babies should survive, and the fact that they weren't
was wrong on every single level.I blamed God, I blamed the
universe, I blamed anyone and everything I could think of in
relation to this. Because as a nurse caring for
(01:53):
babies and witnessing the loss and the death of countless
babies during my career, it was something that I was never able
to make peace with until I started communicating and asking
these babies like, what is goingon here?
And as I said, the truth is somebabies do not survive.
(02:13):
Many pregnancies do not continue.
Not all babies who even move through the birth portal
survive. So we have miscarriage, we have
still birth, we have ectopics, we have termination, all of
these things where the soul comes for a period of time and
then leaves again. And so I really hope in this
(02:34):
episode that I can offer you a different perspective around
this journey. And that's from their
perspective, from their souls perspective.
Because what I've learned over the years is that for some
babies can't come on the first go for whatever reason.
They conceive, they continue throughout pregnancy, they're
(02:55):
born happy, healthy, well, but this is not the reality for many
babies. And this is because there are
different reasons and they have different experiences that
they're coming here to journey through just like we all do.
And so for many babies, it does take more than one attempt,
sometimes multiple attempts overmultiple conceptions for them to
(03:18):
successfully come to Earth. And this is not just that
something's gone wrong on the physical level, although that
can absolutely be part of the process.
It's also about their journey and what they need for their
journey. So when we dive into this topic
(03:39):
of will your baby that you lost,will they return to you, then we
need to understand more about the journey of the soul and why
these babies would come and and leave the earth.
So what I've come to learn is that there's a few things that
(04:04):
influence a baby soul's decisionto return to the Earth.
So it depends on what their plans are for their Earth's
journey. So as you may have heard me
speak to already, a soul comes to the earth with some kind of
plan, some kind of agreement, some kind of outline of what
(04:27):
they're here to learn, to teach,to explore, to experience.
It's not all set in stone. I don't believe the Earth is as
predictable as that. I think it before it was very
predictable and all set in concrete.
Then what's the point really of coming?
Because a big part of the Earth's journey is that
unpredictability is that seeing how things are going to unfold,
(04:51):
seeing how all of the energies, not just on the Earth, but also
between other people, between other souls, experiences,
actions, thoughts, behaviours, all of these things can
influence that plan or influencethat journey ahead.
So that's a big part of what determines a soul's decision to
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return is what their plans are like.
What is that plan? What are they coming to do?
Why are they bothering to make the journey to Earth?
What's that about? Something else that they take
into consideration is the soul contracts or the agreements that
they've made for their life here.
So that can be their agreement or contracts with their parents,
(05:36):
either one parent or both. It can also be for other people
in their life. It could be siblings, it could
be partners later in life, it could be friends, extended
family, all of these things. It's based those agreements
between souls that have made some kind of pact to have some
kind of experience or connectionhere on the earth.
(05:57):
So depending on that contract, depending on the other souls
involved, will also influence a baby soul's return to the earth
because it is about what they'rehere to learn, but it's also
about what you're here to learn as well.
And even though any sort of lossis heartbreaking to us as
(06:17):
humans, they're also some of themost powerful ways for the soul
to heal and for the soul to grow.
So you may have heard me mentionthat I do at times like to
separate the soul's experience and the humans experience.
Because often what can be very powerful for the soul and
(06:38):
profound and healing can be verybrutal and disturbing and
devastating for us on the human level that need to walk through
that fire or to have those experiences that our soul has
chosen for us to have. The human part of me still
really struggles with that at times, so sometimes we do need
to separate that a little, but yeah, there.
(07:00):
As to whether they will return to you also depends what you're
here to learn from them, from pregnancy, from motherhood, from
your side of the fence as well. Another thing that influences a
baby's return is the karmic lessons or the patterns that may
(07:21):
need healing as well. And I'm going to talk a little
bit more about karma in a moment, but I just wanted to
park that there. That as well as the plans as
well as the agreements, there's also karma or different
experiences that need to be havethat are based on past
experiences or past journeys to earth that may need some
(07:42):
support, some growth, some healing, a new perspective.
And so this is also what souls take into consideration when
planning to return to the earth after loss.
And also, even if a soul does decide to return after loss,
there's also the timing that needs to be taken into
(08:03):
consideration and the readiness not just for your soul having
experienced the loss, which those of you who are listening,
who understand this, like understand the profound brutal
physical experience of loss, theemotional, mental, energetic
toll that that any kind of pregnancy loss can take on you.
(08:26):
So souls returning will take that into consideration.
And it's not always appropriate or helpful for you for them to
return, right? As humans, we need time for
processing, we need time for integration, we need time for
healing. And that's often needed to be
done in that space in between the experiences, rather than
having an experience come back straight away in an attempt to
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heal. In doing this work, that's not
always the best way to to support any soul is to have
another experience on top of it.Often there needs to be space.
And again, this is a generalization.
It's not true for everyone and in all situations.
But a soul returning, following loss, often both souls need a
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little time, a little space, andeven the soul who has left as
well. Just as you're going through a
release and a process and an integration around the loss of
your pregnancy, they are also experiencing the release of the
Earth world, the Earth's energy,their connection to what was
their physical body. And they're also integrating or
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reconnecting back to the spirit world and whatever learning or
growth or reflections that they need to do about their journey
for Earth and whether they need to make changes to their plans
or their journey based on what they learnt during their short
time here, which is often a really profound purpose,
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especially for souls who leave through miscarriage.
And in my experience, souls who leave through miscarriage, it's
generally their decision to leave.
And this can be based on many reasons.
Often it's the body that they have become connected to is not
the body that's going to supportthem in this life, whether
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that's on a physical level, a chromosomal level, even like the
biological sex. Some babies may think I want to
come as a girl and then they come and into a girl body.
And then they realize, actually,no, this is not what I want.
This is not what I need for thislife.
I'm going to leave and return. And on the soul level, it sounds
very matter of fact, very direct.
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There's not a lot of emotion involved.
But as we know here on Earth, weare all about emotions, and we
do experience emotions when we have these types of situations
unfold in our life. So that's a very big difference
I've learned between us humans here on Earth and the souls in
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spirit is that their decisions are much less clouded, are much
less emotional, and are much more direct.
It's like this is not what I needed, so I change it.
Whereas us as humans, we don't really function so well around
that. We don't tend to be as clear
without decisions because there's normally a lot of layers
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for it. But with a soul, it tends to be
very simple for them. This isn't working.
I'm going to leave and I'll try again another day.
It is often with so many of these souls, just as simple as
that. So whether they return to you
will depend on also on what the reason was for them leaving.
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So as I mentioned, this can be around that they're in the body
that's not going to support them.
They may realize it's not the right timing for you or for
them. It can be that they're just
trying to get used to the Earth's energy, especially those
souls who may not have been to the Earth before, They haven't
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been here for a while, or perhaps things have changed a
lot since they were last here onthe Earth.
Or they're a really high vibrational soul coming to a
planet that can be pretty dense at times, especially with the
world that we're in right now. And it's always been layers of
density throughout history. So it's not that now is a bad
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time for souls to come. There's still plenty of souls
coming, but a big part of their journey is their adjustment to
the Earth's energy. And the way I describe this is
imagine if you have never been to a country before.
Say you've never been to Africa,and suddenly you book a flight,
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you board the plane and you landsomewhere in the middle of
Kenya. You don't speak Swahili.
You don't understand the culture, you don't know where
you are, you don't understand the maps.
Everything is so foreign to you.Everything is so different to
you that you just, it's overwhelming to you.
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You may have that sense of culture shock or I just want to
leave. I don't want to be here.
So it can be very jarring to just be plonked into a foreign
country where you've never been before and you don't know and
told that, OK, you're going to live in Kenya for the next 100
years. For most of us, that is very
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overwhelming. It's very daunting and something
that we probably not really wantto do.
And I find it's the same with babies.
And so with that, it would make more logical sense if you went
to Africa for a month, you did asafari, you had a look around,
you got to, maybe you bought a friend, maybe you had a tour
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guide or you had a try before you buy.
Most of us would not go and livein a foreign country sight
unseen without having experienced at first or gone
there for a holiday or at least done a significant amount of
research around the place. And this is what I find with
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babies who are coming to the Earth at this time.
They don't want to just be plunked on the Earth where on a
planet they don't understand or they can't really remember it.
If it's been a while since they were last here, it may be that
if they're coming into a different country where they
haven't incarnated before, again, maybe they are kids who
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have been born to Africa before and suddenly they're being born
into Australia. That's a big culture shock.
It's a big language difference. It's a very different energetic
frequency between Africa and Australia.
And so for a baby soul to go from spirit to the earth for 100
years, it can be like us literally landing in the African
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Savannah and saying like, off you go.
So I hope that helps you to understand the the soul's
journey a little bit more and why some souls do need to come
multiple times. It's like we might go to Africa
345 times before we decide to live there or before we feel
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confident enough or safe enough or ready enough to to live in
Africa. The same with souls.
Like there are souls absolutely who will come once and stay
depending on their energy, theirreasons, when they were last
here, their purpose, all of these things.
But there are many souls who, I would say the majority of souls,
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to be honest, who take more thanone go to, to stay here.
And there's some souls that, unfortunately for you, need to
come 345 or sometimes more timesin order for them to acclimate,
to become more used to the Earth, to feel safe enough,
comfortable enough to be able tocommit to a lifetime here on
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Earth. Because once they're here, they
can't just suddenly change theirmind and say, oh, no, I'm out of
here. It just doesn't work that way.
So again, on that soul's perspective, these souls get to
have for a reason, these opportunities to piece by piece,
conception by conception, becomemore used to the Earth's energy.
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And each time they come, it becomes a little bit easier.
And then for the majority of these children, they will then
stay and a pregnancy will be successful.
They will birth into the world and they will have that that
long life that they initially planned.
But it doesn't just happen overnight.
And I think that's where we, we don't consider this.
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We, we just think that they'll come and that's it.
But it's not as straightforward as that.
So it's that, yeah, that time toadjust that can take more than
one conception. Sometimes too, a soul may be
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coming to the earth to help you heal.
And especially if there has beena lot of karma between you, the
2 of you say you and this child.And I'll come back to karma in a
moment, but if there's a lot of previous soul history between
the two of you, it can become very challenging for you to
both, you know, for a soul to come into your womb and then
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stay there, and then for you to go on and have a long life
together again. That can be very intense.
If there's been a lot of trauma in your soul's history, healing
that needs to be done, some unfinished business, a lot of
energy that is really powerful. But also, I'm not saying it's
all bad. There can be souls that have had
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very powerful experiences together as well.
So it's not about whether it's been a good history or a bad
history. It's more about the intensity of
that because again, it can be overwhelming for both souls, you
and them if they come and stay. So that's something that also
needs to be taken into consideration.
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And just like the soul I mentioned previously where it
can be, they need several times to come here to get used to the
Earth's energy. It can also take time for you
and this souls who's coming to you to also get used to each
other. You know, it's like meeting a
friend for coffee as opposed to suddenly moving in with them
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forever. It can take time for that
relationship to develop. And I'm just talking mostly
about miscarriage here. That can be a really powerful
way on the soul level, not the human level, to help these
souls, your soul and their soul to adjust to each other and also
to prepare each other for the journey that you have together
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ahead. So that's something also to
consider. So now I want to go into karma
and I have talked a little bit about this already in this
episode so far. So if you've heard me speak
about karma before, I don't see it as reward or punishment, I
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see karma as about balance. The way I tend to see karma is a
pendulum, like literally a ball on a string and one experience
will make it swing one way. And to find balance, we often
need to have the opposite experience for it to swing back
in the other direction. And that's what I find like
karma, it always wants to come back into balance, come back
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into stillness. Using the pendulum analogy, it's
like the ball on the string justwants to be sitting at the
bottom still and not swinging too much either side.
But being here on the earth as ahuman, that's not why we come.
But we do come to have these different swings.
So if I bring this back to. The motherhood journey and about
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loss. So around miscarriage, if your
soul once left a body through miscarriage in another woman's
life, whether that is your mother in this life, you may
have been one of her miscarriages, you may or may not
be aware of that. And so one way for you to
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experience that in a deeper way is to be on the receiving end of
that. So a soul coming to you who
chooses to leave through miscarriage, it's not about
punishment at all. But again, the soul loves to
experience situations from different perspectives, from
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both sides of the fence, seeing both sides of the story.
And I guess it reminds me a little bit of like a game of
tennis like where you can't understand the game fully and
then you can't understand the journey of life fully unless you
learn to serve and to receive. So you won't find a good tennis
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player who is great at serving but can't receive.
And you also won't find a great tennis player who can receive
till the cows come home without knowing how to serve if they
don't have a good serve. So this is what I find the soul
wants. It's multidimensional.
It wants to be able to see the same thing from different
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perspectives. And so when I see comic reasons
around miscarriage, termination,not so much still birth, but
that's also very possible. It can be that your soul is
wanting to have a different experience from the other side
of the fence to what your soul had experienced previously, as
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these baby souls can come to youto help you have those
experiences for you and for themas well.
So I know this is a big topic and I think it's probably too
big for one episode, but if a baby soul does return to you,
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and there are many who will, it's important to remember that
it's actually a brand new lifetime for them.
And it may have been three months ago, six months ago that
you were last pregnant with them.
But that journey for them, that life for them, whether it was 4
weeks, 6 weeks, 12 weeks, 20 weeks, it has now become their
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past life. Even though it's still within
your lifetime, it's now a past life for them.
So when they leave the earth andthey take time to re evaluate,
review plans, see what they're wanting to do in their next
life, see if they need to make any changes.
Sometimes they may decide to pick up where they left off or
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they may decide to come back with a completely different plan
as well. Again, depending on their
journey, their timelines, their soul contracts, agreements,
karma, all of these things that we've talked about today.
And I'm sorry if this is really confusing in many ways, but at
the end of the day, what's most important is that we check in
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with with the soul, check in with what's going on for them,
why they're here, what they need, see where they're at
because things can and do change, but they are the ones
that have the answer. So I'm going to leave it here
for today's episode. Please be gentle with yourself
if this has been triggering for you or if this has brought up
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any feelings or amplified any sense of grief for you.
Please make sure that you receive the support that you
need to guide you on your journey and through the
navigation of loss and grief. Thank you for tuning in to
Babies From Beyond. If you've enjoyed this episode,
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I'd love for you to leave me a review just wherever you listen
to your podcasts. Also, head over to Instagram and
give me a follow at Bourne Energy and check out the show
notes for more ways that you canconnect with your baby's soul,
including one-on-one readings and online programs to support
you. Until next time, trust your
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journey and your baby. Take care.
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