March 31, 2026 • 16 mins
Ahead of Season 7 on April 14, Aaron McCall and Joe Matteson sit down to show off the studio space, talk through what’s changing, and shake the rust off a bit. They get into the shift to video, what it’s doing to the energy of the show, how this next chapter already feels different, and why they’re both excited and a little nervous about it. It’s loose, it’s honest, and it’s a quick look at where things are headed and what it took to get here.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:37):
This episode is supported by Creative Mornings
Grand Rapids, our local chapterin the world's largest
face-to-face creative community.
Creative Mornings believeseveryone is creative and
everyone is welcome.
Their monthly lecture series isfree and spans over 240 cities
across 69 countries.
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(00:59):
makers, and small businesses,Merchants and Makers puts on
markets across West Michiganconnecting people with real
artists and makers at eventsthat include food trucks, live
music, and local shopping.
Visit merchantsandmakers.com forinformation on upcoming events
and how to get involved.
SPEAKER_01 (01:14):
I've gotten really good at being appreciative for
where I am and how far I'vecome.
Said that weird.
Where I am and how far I'vecome.
SPEAKER_00 (01:23):
You said it exactly the same the second time.
SPEAKER_01 (01:25):
No, well then it was a it must have been a mouthfeel
thing.
Because that cum had a weirdmouthfeel the first time around.
SPEAKER_02 (01:40):
I can't seem to make them go away.
SPEAKER_00 (02:02):
But like I know it's just gonna be a Netflix machine.
SPEAKER_01 (02:04):
Yeah, yeah.
I know that.
You have like a romanticperspective of what it could be.
But I know me.
Being hopeless romantic with ourtechnology is a really funny
thought.
I saw this going differently.
SPEAKER_00 (02:19):
Well, hey everybody, welcome.
I'm it's it's weird looking intothis camera.
Yeah.
Everybody, welcome back to BadIdeas.
I'm not gonna do it.
Don't do it.
Don't do it.
Anyways, welcome back to BadIdeas Social Club.
My name is Aaron McCall.
I'm Joe Madison.
Um, and we're in, I guess, thethe studio.
This is it, baby.
Right?
Uh it's it's my home officestudio space where we will be
(02:43):
recording most of the episodescoming up this season.
And uh, dude, I'm stoked.
I'm just stoked.
Like, I like I love the space.
And I'm and I'm and I'm excitedto be able to like share it with
people.
SPEAKER_01 (02:55):
I was just gonna ask, how do you feel about
opening the door to this likepretty intimate space where
you've built a business out ofit's funny because it's like I I
love this space, yeah, and Iwant to show it off and I want
to have people in.
SPEAKER_00 (03:08):
But as you can tell, like I don't know if you could
tell in the cameras or not, butlike it's a pretty small room.
SPEAKER_02 (03:13):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (03:14):
And at least this way I get to share it without
having a bunch of fuckingstrangers in my house.
Hell yeah.
Dude, I I renovated this roomwhen we first moved in.
I've actually renovated thisroom twice.
SPEAKER_01 (03:23):
What was this before you got here?
A bedroom?
SPEAKER_00 (03:25):
It was a bedroom, and there was like a like a
split heater, kind of not reallya split, but it was just like a
this weird heater thing.
Yeah over here.
Uh the area behind me, like theyhad turned into a like a closet.
So like there was, yeah, and umit was baby blue.
And like I like ripped up thefloors and like found like there
(03:46):
was like layers and layers andlayers of stuff on the floor.
So I ripped up the floors and Ilike obviously this used to be
like some like teenage girl'sbedroom.
Yeah, because it was like, oh,Ashley loves Devin or whatever,
like written on the floor.
Yeah, it is cool.
And then I put then I put likean actual floor on top of it.
SPEAKER_01 (04:03):
Man, talking about hopeless romantic, I love it.
We're on theme.
Yeah, I I love that.
I look at our house all thetime, Erica and I's house, and I
just think about like all thedifferent iterations and
families that have moved in andout of there and what each room
has been for each person.
We our nursery used to be babyblue, but for some reason they
decided to take like in or theydecided to put paint on their
(04:24):
hands and put hand printseverywhere.
So very creepy, yeah, realcreepy.
Yeah, and every once in a while,because we painted it just
white, but every once in a whileI'll catch like a little just
like a little flash of like ahandprint or something.
I'm like, man, the evolutionthat our spaces go through.
SPEAKER_00 (04:40):
Like, I I started over in this room, you know,
painted everything white, hadlike a um like a like a
horizontal wood on the wall andeverything.
And it it it looked sharp forlike a long time.
Yeah.
And then I just got bored.
SPEAKER_01 (04:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (04:57):
I got bored with it and I was like, you know what,
let's paint the fucking thingblack.
unknown (05:00):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (05:01):
And I remember like I had already like, you know,
patched all the walls and youknow, uh got things to a spot
where where I was like, oh no,because I'm painting my room
black.
Yeah.
And uh um I'm like, either thisis gonna be really cool or like
the most depressing room that Icould possibly be in.
(05:23):
And it turns out it's just fine.
No, it's fine.
Honestly, like getting thingsready to get this season off the
ground has taken a lot of timeand energy, and I'm really,
really stoked about it becausethere's like a different energy,
like a different vibration inthe room.
Uh, you know, as we bring invideo and um kind of refocus.
(05:43):
I just feel I just feel reallygood.
And you know what?
I'm I'm fine saying this now.
Go ahead.
I fucking fought this for sixseasons.
I fought it and I fought it andI fought it.
And uh honestly, I kind of thinkthat that that we did what we
were gonna do in in in audioonly format.
(06:07):
So that's part of why I thinkthis feels so fresh and so um
you know, I mean, it's a newchapter.
It's a new, it's it's a newthing for us.
It's it's it's like I think thevideo is breathing fresh life
into us as creatives, and thenthrough that uh into this
project.
I completely agree.
SPEAKER_01 (06:27):
Yeah, I just that whole idea of things entering
into like the next phase andwhat you gain from that and the
work you put in to get there.
Um it makes me just supergrateful of like where my my
business has gone over thecourse of the last year because
I find myself after just aboutevery shoot now, I'll have like
(06:50):
one or two photos where I'mlike, that that's my favorite
photo I've ever I've ever taken.
SPEAKER_00 (06:54):
That's awesome.
SPEAKER_01 (06:54):
And that's a good feeling, and I feel like that's
happening in the podcast rightnow, too.
Is we'll leave I've been able tobe a part of a couple of the
shoots again.
And after we leave that, it'sjust like, oh, there's there's
something I've gained from thaton an emotional level that is
just I wouldn't have gotten thatanywhere else.
SPEAKER_00 (07:12):
Well, and and I'm glad that you've been coming to
a few of them too, because it'sa really great feeling to just
kind of be in that room andone-on-one, because you're not
like an intimidating, like youdon't add a layer of like uh I
don't know, nobody'suncomfortable that you're there.
SPEAKER_01 (07:30):
You know, I so I I actually took that differently
when you started that statement.
I'm grateful for that becausethat's how I want to be in any
space.
But I was I the way I took itwas is just being a in the space
of the conversation makes thewhole experience of the podcast
feel different to me.
It is so like for example, topichopping for whatever reason
(07:51):
feels so much more important tome when I'm actually there in
the moment.
And our last question of the podfor some reason feels so much
more important and impactfulwhen I'm right there.
I don't know what that is, whathappens in translation of like
being there in the space to likejust the audio format.
SPEAKER_00 (08:09):
Dude, it's what I was saying.
It's it's there's a there's adifferent vibration in the room.
Yeah, and uh I'm honestly likeI'm a little nervous.
Yeah, I'm a little scared.
You know, I think getting in andediting some of this stuff,
yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's like, oh man, you're makingsome faces that I do not like.
You know what I mean?
It's just like you could suck itin a little bit, get your shit
(08:29):
together.
But ultimately, I think it'sgonna be one of those things
that's gonna help me through umthe way I see myself and the way
I see my body and all of that.
SPEAKER_01 (08:38):
God, that that that is deep, bro.
Are you um so when you do thattype of self-criticism and
whatnot, do you then just thinkto yourself, all right, here's
what I do to solve that?
Or do you end up in a spacewhere it's like you kind of just
throw your hands up and it'slike, well, I guess it's just
like how I look or what I'mdoing or whatever.
SPEAKER_00 (08:56):
I just throw my hands up.
Really?
Yeah.
It just is, because I mean,like, when I'm one-on-one having
a conversation with somebody,you know, I'm not I'm yeah,
there's a monitor right here.
Yeah, I haven't looked at it onetime.
Yeah, right.
You know what I mean?
I'm I want to be here.
SPEAKER_01 (09:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (09:13):
So that's how people see me.
SPEAKER_01 (09:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (09:19):
I'm just gonna get on board.
You know?
SPEAKER_01 (09:21):
Okay.
I do think there there's like areally healthy side of
acceptance there.
Um But also I I I would hopethere'd be a a side eventually
of just like appreciation too ofyourself and how far you've got
sorry, this doesn't have to turninto that, but I just I I love
you and I think you look fuckingawesome.
(09:41):
Oh, thanks, buddy.
I know, I know.
Thanks, dude.
Um, how is just design and workin general going for you?
Anything stand out?
SPEAKER_00 (09:51):
You know, I've it's been six years now since I've
been on my own.
Yeah.
Uh and I feel like this is thethis is the hill I've been
climbing, and I feel like I'meither there or I'm really
close.
SPEAKER_01 (10:02):
I really feel the same.
SPEAKER_00 (10:03):
But I know me, and I know soon I'm gonna end up
moving a goalpost.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
Which why wouldn't you?
SPEAKER_01 (10:09):
You know, as long as you can find a space where you
are just enjoying where you are,I don't think there's ever a
problem with being like, allright, now we're going here.
You know, now we're pushed evenfurther.
As long as that that doesn'ttake away from the enjoyment of
where you are.
SPEAKER_02 (10:25):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (10:25):
Which I've gotten really good at.
I've gotten really good at beingappreciative at for where I am
and how far I've come.
Said that weird.
Where I am and how far I'vecome.
SPEAKER_00 (10:35):
You said it exactly the same the second time.
SPEAKER_01 (10:37):
No, well, then it was a it must have been a
mouthfeel thing.
Because that cum had a weirdmouthfeel the first time around.
SPEAKER_02 (10:48):
It always does.
I knew you were gonna love that.
SPEAKER_01 (10:56):
So, I mean, nothing concrete yet, but like we have
in previous years, like we wehave plans to attack this year
and like do some really coolshit.
SPEAKER_00 (11:06):
Yeah, we're gonna do uh the holiday art market again.
Yeah, that's gonna be great.
Um, we're working through thedetails to have some kind of
gallery show at uh CoopersvilleBrewing Company.
Yeah.
Um there is gonna be a uhthere's gonna be a panel in
there probably late summer.
Um City Built will be hostingthat.
Uh they'll also be hosting ourart market.
(11:28):
Yeah.
And then, you know, with withmerchants and makers, we're
gonna be tagging on to I thinkfive or six of their um of their
markets, and we're gonna go andhave a good chance to meet
people and um just kind of havea presence there and hopefully
sell a t-shirt or two.
SPEAKER_01 (11:43):
That's really exciting.
That's a that was an effectiveuse of eye contact with the
camera, but it was very good.
Thank you.
I don't know.
That that just gets me reallystoked.
The thought of like how activethe year is gonna be.
SPEAKER_00 (11:58):
It's gonna be exhausting, but I think it's
gonna be a lot of fun.
SPEAKER_01 (12:00):
Yeah.
If I look at our pastexperiences and the things that
we've really attacked, yeah, itwas exhausting leading up to and
then right after, but also justso damn rewarding.
I think about the holiday marketconstantly.
That was such a incredibleexperience.
The one in the summer, too.
The one in the summer too wasgreat.
I loved it.
Yeah, I just yeah, think aboutsome of the people we connect
(12:23):
with, and then yeah, the peopleyou work alongside.
And yeah, it's just that that'swhat is important right now, are
are those connections with thepeople around us.
Is there a new side of thisthing that your brain has to
switch on now that you're havingthinking about editing video?
Now that it's not you can justmanipulate the sound to make a
(12:44):
sentence make sense.
Now it's like the visual has tomake sense now too.
Well, I'm not I'm notmanipulating anything anybody's
saying.
Sorry, that's not what I meant.
Yeah, you're right.
I didn't mean to sound likethat, but there's editing.
SPEAKER_00 (12:55):
Yeah, there's editing.
None of this stuff goes withoutediting, you know.
Right.
Uh sometimes people will sayshit that they're like, oh no.
I shouldn't have done that.
We need an archive.
And I'm not looking to like I'mnot looking to fuck anybody's
shit up.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, right.
Um, but sometimes that happens,or sometimes like people will
say names when they probablyshouldn't have.
(13:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Um, you know, like we've alwayssaid that like this is uh uh you
know without filters orjudgment, but like there's some
filters.
Let's be honest.
There's some filters.
Yeah, there's gotta be.
SPEAKER_01 (13:29):
I think there's gotta be.
SPEAKER_00 (13:30):
And there's some judgment.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (13:35):
It's a long tagline, but it's an effective one.
It's no filters, no judgment.
It's also apparently a lie.
Yeah, right.
Um, here's what I want.
I want some clarity on a topiccopy question.
Okay.
Um, one of the questions is whatwould your last meal be?
Yeah.
And I was thinking the otherday, and I was like, well, my
answer changes if is it my lastmeal because I'm being punished
(14:00):
for something.
Like, am I on death row?
I'm gonna be honest with you.
Yeah, it's not that deep.
Oh, okay.
Just what's the last thing Iwant to taste?
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (14:11):
Before you.
Oh my god, I'm old.
I was gonna say, before you 22skidoo.
Whatever.
Is that a blues clues thing?
I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (14:26):
I think it's kind of a blues clues.
SPEAKER_00 (14:28):
I don't think it's a blues clues thing.
Blue Skidoo weekend too.
We've we've wandered down astrange.
Oh man.
All right.
Yeah.
I think we did what we came todo today.
Same.
Really just wanted to show offthe space.
Yeah.
Um let you know that we'restoked.
And uh I think I think you'regonna love it.
SPEAKER_01 (14:50):
I I think now more so than ever.
I think so.
Mo now more so than ever, Ithink the thing that's gonna
help us out the most is gonna bereviews.
Because we need like we needfeedback.
We need to know what this thinglooks like to people and what
could make it look better.
SPEAKER_00 (15:07):
And reviews are so much more valuable than yeah, I
think anybody thinks they arebecause that's the thing that's
gonna help us grow.
SPEAKER_01 (15:13):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:13):
Um, it's nice to sell a t-shirt.
SPEAKER_01 (15:15):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (15:16):
That helps me buy and maintain stuff.
Yeah.
Um but uh the reviews is whatgets us like that real exposure
and and uh gets us in front ofnew people.
So um if you if you do want tohelp support the podcast,
reviews, that's the biggestthing you can do.
(15:37):
Buy a t-shirt.
Shipping's always free.
Um that's kind of that's kind ofit.
SPEAKER_01 (15:43):
I love it.
SPEAKER_00 (15:43):
You want to be done with this one?
Let's do it.
All right, April 14th, seasonseven.
SPEAKER_01 (15:49):
What was your original sign-off that you used
to do all the time?
Catch you later, baby.
Catch you later, babies.
Oh well, I guess it doesn't makesense without that the little
outro, but without the outro.
But still, I want I want itright now.
We'll see, we'll catch youlater, babies.
Give me one.
SPEAKER_00 (16:02):
Oh, you know what?
That's funny.
That's funny you bring up theoutro.
Okay, we can share that.
Oh.
Um, we we we looked at um someanalytics and things, and it
turns out most people whoconsume our podcast, yeah,
they're done after the after themain conversation.
Yeah.
So we're just not gonna do theoutros anymore.
(16:23):
Yeah.
It's not that we don't likedoing it, it's just it's gonna
save us a lot of time andenergy, and it's gonna give us
the opportunity to put that timeand energy into other areas of
the brand.
SPEAKER_01 (16:32):
Absolutely.
And then also it's like if ifthe ending's not being watched,
it's like, why waste anyone'stime?
SPEAKER_00 (16:38):
That's it.
SPEAKER_01 (16:38):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:38):
I don't want to waste my time.
Yeah, I don't want to wastetheir time.
Totally.
SPEAKER_01 (16:41):
What was it?
I don't know.
Make one up.
I just need a baby.
Bye, babies.
There you go.
SPEAKER_02 (16:48):
Getting tired of hearing all these noises in my
head.
I can't seem to make them goaway.
SPEAKER_00 (16:56):
Bad Idea Social Club is an independent podcast made
possible by merch sales,reviews, and listener support.
It is created and hosted by me,graphic designer Ann McCall, and
co-hosted by photographer JoeMadison.
Music is noises by Mike Mainsand the branches.
Get Bad Idea Social Clubwherever you get your podcasts.
This episode is supported by Creative Mornings
Grand Rapids, our local chapterin the world's largest
face-to-face creative community.
Creative Mornings believeseveryone is creative and
everyone is welcome.
Their monthly lecture series isfree and spans over 240 cities
across 69 countries.
Visit CreativeMornings.com tosee what's going on with your
local chapter.
And by Merchants and Makers, acollective of local artists,
(00:59):
makers, and small businesses,Merchants and Makers puts on
markets across West Michiganconnecting people with real
artists and makers at eventsthat include food trucks, live
music, and local shopping.
Visit merchantsandmakers.com forinformation on upcoming events
and how to get involved.
SPEAKER_01 (01:14):
I've gotten really good at being appreciative for
where I am and how far I'vecome.
Said that weird.
Where I am and how far I'vecome.
SPEAKER_00 (01:23):
You said it exactly the same the second time.
SPEAKER_01 (01:25):
No, well then it was a it must have been a mouthfeel
thing.
Because that cum had a weirdmouthfeel the first time around.
SPEAKER_02 (01:40):
I can't seem to make them go away.
SPEAKER_00 (02:02):
But like I know it's just gonna be a Netflix machine.
SPEAKER_01 (02:04):
Yeah, yeah.
I know that.
You have like a romanticperspective of what it could be.
But I know me.
Being hopeless romantic with ourtechnology is a really funny
thought.
I saw this going differently.
SPEAKER_00 (02:19):
Well, hey everybody, welcome.
I'm it's it's weird looking intothis camera.
Yeah.
Everybody, welcome back to BadIdeas.
I'm not gonna do it.
Don't do it.
Don't do it.
Anyways, welcome back to BadIdeas Social Club.
My name is Aaron McCall.
I'm Joe Madison.
Um, and we're in, I guess, thethe studio.
This is it, baby.
Right?
Uh it's it's my home officestudio space where we will be
(02:43):
recording most of the episodescoming up this season.
And uh, dude, I'm stoked.
I'm just stoked.
Like, I like I love the space.
And I'm and I'm and I'm excitedto be able to like share it with
people.
SPEAKER_01 (02:55):
I was just gonna ask, how do you feel about
opening the door to this likepretty intimate space where
you've built a business out ofit's funny because it's like I I
love this space, yeah, and Iwant to show it off and I want
to have people in.
SPEAKER_00 (03:08):
But as you can tell, like I don't know if you could
tell in the cameras or not, butlike it's a pretty small room.
SPEAKER_02 (03:13):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (03:14):
And at least this way I get to share it without
having a bunch of fuckingstrangers in my house.
Hell yeah.
Dude, I I renovated this roomwhen we first moved in.
I've actually renovated thisroom twice.
SPEAKER_01 (03:23):
What was this before you got here?
A bedroom?
SPEAKER_00 (03:25):
It was a bedroom, and there was like a like a
split heater, kind of not reallya split, but it was just like a
this weird heater thing.
Yeah over here.
Uh the area behind me, like theyhad turned into a like a closet.
So like there was, yeah, and umit was baby blue.
And like I like ripped up thefloors and like found like there
(03:46):
was like layers and layers andlayers of stuff on the floor.
So I ripped up the floors and Ilike obviously this used to be
like some like teenage girl'sbedroom.
Yeah, because it was like, oh,Ashley loves Devin or whatever,
like written on the floor.
Yeah, it is cool.
And then I put then I put likean actual floor on top of it.
SPEAKER_01 (04:03):
Man, talking about hopeless romantic, I love it.
We're on theme.
Yeah, I I love that.
I look at our house all thetime, Erica and I's house, and I
just think about like all thedifferent iterations and
families that have moved in andout of there and what each room
has been for each person.
We our nursery used to be babyblue, but for some reason they
decided to take like in or theydecided to put paint on their
(04:24):
hands and put hand printseverywhere.
So very creepy, yeah, realcreepy.
Yeah, and every once in a while,because we painted it just
white, but every once in a whileI'll catch like a little just
like a little flash of like ahandprint or something.
I'm like, man, the evolutionthat our spaces go through.
SPEAKER_00 (04:40):
Like, I I started over in this room, you know,
painted everything white, hadlike a um like a like a
horizontal wood on the wall andeverything.
And it it it looked sharp forlike a long time.
Yeah.
And then I just got bored.
SPEAKER_01 (04:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (04:57):
I got bored with it and I was like, you know what,
let's paint the fucking thingblack.
unknown (05:00):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (05:01):
And I remember like I had already like, you know,
patched all the walls and youknow, uh got things to a spot
where where I was like, oh no,because I'm painting my room
black.
Yeah.
And uh um I'm like, either thisis gonna be really cool or like
the most depressing room that Icould possibly be in.
(05:23):
And it turns out it's just fine.
No, it's fine.
Honestly, like getting thingsready to get this season off the
ground has taken a lot of timeand energy, and I'm really,
really stoked about it becausethere's like a different energy,
like a different vibration inthe room.
Uh, you know, as we bring invideo and um kind of refocus.
(05:43):
I just feel I just feel reallygood.
And you know what?
I'm I'm fine saying this now.
Go ahead.
I fucking fought this for sixseasons.
I fought it and I fought it andI fought it.
And uh honestly, I kind of thinkthat that that we did what we
were gonna do in in in audioonly format.
(06:07):
So that's part of why I thinkthis feels so fresh and so um
you know, I mean, it's a newchapter.
It's a new, it's it's a newthing for us.
It's it's it's like I think thevideo is breathing fresh life
into us as creatives, and thenthrough that uh into this
project.
I completely agree.
SPEAKER_01 (06:27):
Yeah, I just that whole idea of things entering
into like the next phase andwhat you gain from that and the
work you put in to get there.
Um it makes me just supergrateful of like where my my
business has gone over thecourse of the last year because
I find myself after just aboutevery shoot now, I'll have like
(06:50):
one or two photos where I'mlike, that that's my favorite
photo I've ever I've ever taken.
SPEAKER_00 (06:54):
That's awesome.
SPEAKER_01 (06:54):
And that's a good feeling, and I feel like that's
happening in the podcast rightnow, too.
Is we'll leave I've been able tobe a part of a couple of the
shoots again.
And after we leave that, it'sjust like, oh, there's there's
something I've gained from thaton an emotional level that is
just I wouldn't have gotten thatanywhere else.
SPEAKER_00 (07:12):
Well, and and I'm glad that you've been coming to
a few of them too, because it'sa really great feeling to just
kind of be in that room andone-on-one, because you're not
like an intimidating, like youdon't add a layer of like uh I
don't know, nobody'suncomfortable that you're there.
SPEAKER_01 (07:30):
You know, I so I I actually took that differently
when you started that statement.
I'm grateful for that becausethat's how I want to be in any
space.
But I was I the way I took itwas is just being a in the space
of the conversation makes thewhole experience of the podcast
feel different to me.
It is so like for example, topichopping for whatever reason
(07:51):
feels so much more important tome when I'm actually there in
the moment.
And our last question of the podfor some reason feels so much
more important and impactfulwhen I'm right there.
I don't know what that is, whathappens in translation of like
being there in the space to likejust the audio format.
SPEAKER_00 (08:09):
Dude, it's what I was saying.
It's it's there's a there's adifferent vibration in the room.
Yeah, and uh I'm honestly likeI'm a little nervous.
Yeah, I'm a little scared.
You know, I think getting in andediting some of this stuff,
yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's like, oh man, you're makingsome faces that I do not like.
You know what I mean?
It's just like you could suck itin a little bit, get your shit
(08:29):
together.
But ultimately, I think it'sgonna be one of those things
that's gonna help me through umthe way I see myself and the way
I see my body and all of that.
SPEAKER_01 (08:38):
God, that that that is deep, bro.
Are you um so when you do thattype of self-criticism and
whatnot, do you then just thinkto yourself, all right, here's
what I do to solve that?
Or do you end up in a spacewhere it's like you kind of just
throw your hands up and it'slike, well, I guess it's just
like how I look or what I'mdoing or whatever.
SPEAKER_00 (08:56):
I just throw my hands up.
Really?
Yeah.
It just is, because I mean,like, when I'm one-on-one having
a conversation with somebody,you know, I'm not I'm yeah,
there's a monitor right here.
Yeah, I haven't looked at it onetime.
Yeah, right.
You know what I mean?
I'm I want to be here.
SPEAKER_01 (09:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (09:13):
So that's how people see me.
SPEAKER_01 (09:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (09:19):
I'm just gonna get on board.
You know?
SPEAKER_01 (09:21):
Okay.
I do think there there's like areally healthy side of
acceptance there.
Um But also I I I would hopethere'd be a a side eventually
of just like appreciation too ofyourself and how far you've got
sorry, this doesn't have to turninto that, but I just I I love
you and I think you look fuckingawesome.
(09:41):
Oh, thanks, buddy.
I know, I know.
Thanks, dude.
Um, how is just design and workin general going for you?
Anything stand out?
SPEAKER_00 (09:51):
You know, I've it's been six years now since I've
been on my own.
Yeah.
Uh and I feel like this is thethis is the hill I've been
climbing, and I feel like I'meither there or I'm really
close.
SPEAKER_01 (10:02):
I really feel the same.
SPEAKER_00 (10:03):
But I know me, and I know soon I'm gonna end up
moving a goalpost.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
Which why wouldn't you?
SPEAKER_01 (10:09):
You know, as long as you can find a space where you
are just enjoying where you are,I don't think there's ever a
problem with being like, allright, now we're going here.
You know, now we're pushed evenfurther.
As long as that that doesn'ttake away from the enjoyment of
where you are.
SPEAKER_02 (10:25):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (10:25):
Which I've gotten really good at.
I've gotten really good at beingappreciative at for where I am
and how far I've come.
Said that weird.
Where I am and how far I'vecome.
SPEAKER_00 (10:35):
You said it exactly the same the second time.
SPEAKER_01 (10:37):
No, well, then it was a it must have been a
mouthfeel thing.
Because that cum had a weirdmouthfeel the first time around.
SPEAKER_02 (10:48):
It always does.
I knew you were gonna love that.
SPEAKER_01 (10:56):
So, I mean, nothing concrete yet, but like we have
in previous years, like we wehave plans to attack this year
and like do some really coolshit.
SPEAKER_00 (11:06):
Yeah, we're gonna do uh the holiday art market again.
Yeah, that's gonna be great.
Um, we're working through thedetails to have some kind of
gallery show at uh CoopersvilleBrewing Company.
Yeah.
Um there is gonna be a uhthere's gonna be a panel in
there probably late summer.
Um City Built will be hostingthat.
Uh they'll also be hosting ourart market.
(11:28):
Yeah.
And then, you know, with withmerchants and makers, we're
gonna be tagging on to I thinkfive or six of their um of their
markets, and we're gonna go andhave a good chance to meet
people and um just kind of havea presence there and hopefully
sell a t-shirt or two.
SPEAKER_01 (11:43):
That's really exciting.
That's a that was an effectiveuse of eye contact with the
camera, but it was very good.
Thank you.
I don't know.
That that just gets me reallystoked.
The thought of like how activethe year is gonna be.
SPEAKER_00 (11:58):
It's gonna be exhausting, but I think it's
gonna be a lot of fun.
SPEAKER_01 (12:00):
Yeah.
If I look at our pastexperiences and the things that
we've really attacked, yeah, itwas exhausting leading up to and
then right after, but also justso damn rewarding.
I think about the holiday marketconstantly.
That was such a incredibleexperience.
The one in the summer, too.
The one in the summer too wasgreat.
I loved it.
Yeah, I just yeah, think aboutsome of the people we connect
(12:23):
with, and then yeah, the peopleyou work alongside.
And yeah, it's just that that'swhat is important right now, are
are those connections with thepeople around us.
Is there a new side of thisthing that your brain has to
switch on now that you're havingthinking about editing video?
Now that it's not you can justmanipulate the sound to make a
(12:44):
sentence make sense.
Now it's like the visual has tomake sense now too.
Well, I'm not I'm notmanipulating anything anybody's
saying.
Sorry, that's not what I meant.
Yeah, you're right.
I didn't mean to sound likethat, but there's editing.
SPEAKER_00 (12:55):
Yeah, there's editing.
None of this stuff goes withoutediting, you know.
Right.
Uh sometimes people will sayshit that they're like, oh no.
I shouldn't have done that.
We need an archive.
And I'm not looking to like I'mnot looking to fuck anybody's
shit up.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, right.
Um, but sometimes that happens,or sometimes like people will
say names when they probablyshouldn't have.
(13:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Um, you know, like we've alwayssaid that like this is uh uh you
know without filters orjudgment, but like there's some
filters.
Let's be honest.
There's some filters.
Yeah, there's gotta be.
SPEAKER_01 (13:29):
I think there's gotta be.
SPEAKER_00 (13:30):
And there's some judgment.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (13:35):
It's a long tagline, but it's an effective one.
It's no filters, no judgment.
It's also apparently a lie.
Yeah, right.
Um, here's what I want.
I want some clarity on a topiccopy question.
Okay.
Um, one of the questions is whatwould your last meal be?
Yeah.
And I was thinking the otherday, and I was like, well, my
answer changes if is it my lastmeal because I'm being punished
(14:00):
for something.
Like, am I on death row?
I'm gonna be honest with you.
Yeah, it's not that deep.
Oh, okay.
Just what's the last thing Iwant to taste?
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (14:11):
Before you.
Oh my god, I'm old.
I was gonna say, before you 22skidoo.
Whatever.
Is that a blues clues thing?
I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (14:26):
I think it's kind of a blues clues.
SPEAKER_00 (14:28):
I don't think it's a blues clues thing.
Blue Skidoo weekend too.
We've we've wandered down astrange.
Oh man.
All right.
Yeah.
I think we did what we came todo today.
Same.
Really just wanted to show offthe space.
Yeah.
Um let you know that we'restoked.
And uh I think I think you'regonna love it.
SPEAKER_01 (14:50):
I I think now more so than ever.
I think so.
Mo now more so than ever, Ithink the thing that's gonna
help us out the most is gonna bereviews.
Because we need like we needfeedback.
We need to know what this thinglooks like to people and what
could make it look better.
SPEAKER_00 (15:07):
And reviews are so much more valuable than yeah, I
think anybody thinks they arebecause that's the thing that's
gonna help us grow.
SPEAKER_01 (15:13):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:13):
Um, it's nice to sell a t-shirt.
SPEAKER_01 (15:15):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (15:16):
That helps me buy and maintain stuff.
Yeah.
Um but uh the reviews is whatgets us like that real exposure
and and uh gets us in front ofnew people.
So um if you if you do want tohelp support the podcast,
reviews, that's the biggestthing you can do.
(15:37):
Buy a t-shirt.
Shipping's always free.
Um that's kind of that's kind ofit.
SPEAKER_01 (15:43):
I love it.
SPEAKER_00 (15:43):
You want to be done with this one?
Let's do it.
All right, April 14th, seasonseven.
SPEAKER_01 (15:49):
What was your original sign-off that you used
to do all the time?
Catch you later, baby.
Catch you later, babies.
Oh well, I guess it doesn't makesense without that the little
outro, but without the outro.
But still, I want I want itright now.
We'll see, we'll catch youlater, babies.
Give me one.
SPEAKER_00 (16:02):
Oh, you know what?
That's funny.
That's funny you bring up theoutro.
Okay, we can share that.
Oh.
Um, we we we looked at um someanalytics and things, and it
turns out most people whoconsume our podcast, yeah,
they're done after the after themain conversation.
Yeah.
So we're just not gonna do theoutros anymore.
(16:23):
Yeah.
It's not that we don't likedoing it, it's just it's gonna
save us a lot of time andenergy, and it's gonna give us
the opportunity to put that timeand energy into other areas of
the brand.
SPEAKER_01 (16:32):
Absolutely.
And then also it's like if ifthe ending's not being watched,
it's like, why waste anyone'stime?
SPEAKER_00 (16:38):
That's it.
SPEAKER_01 (16:38):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:38):
I don't want to waste my time.
Yeah, I don't want to wastetheir time.
Totally.
SPEAKER_01 (16:41):
What was it?
I don't know.
Make one up.
I just need a baby.
Bye, babies.
There you go.
SPEAKER_02 (16:48):
Getting tired of hearing all these noises in my
head.
I can't seem to make them goaway.
SPEAKER_00 (16:56):
Bad Idea Social Club is an independent podcast made
possible by merch sales,reviews, and listener support.
It is created and hosted by me,graphic designer Ann McCall, and
co-hosted by photographer JoeMadison.
Music is noises by Mike Mainsand the branches.
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