#124 Laura AKA @Vegan.Turned.Carnivore - 20 Years of Depression and Eating Disorders CURED with The Carnivore Diet - Ben Wehrman Podcast

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I would get up in the morning and I will just, my first thing would be, okay, how can I end my life?

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And three months, four months down the road, then I started carnivore.
I woke up one day and I realized I'm not thinking about it anymore.
Like I do have motivation to do something today.
I do have motivation to live.
I do have motivation to wake up, to do this or to do that.

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It's just like it seems that I'm a different person.
This has changed dramatically my life.
So if somebody is in the same place where I started and doesn't see that light at the end of that tunnel, that light exists.
Hello, everyone.

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Thank you so much for coming by for another episode of the Ben Worman podcast today.
I really appreciate you being here.
Today, I am joined by Laura, not Laura.
We've tried to pronounce it correctly.
Laura, aka TheVeganTurnCarnivore on Instagram.
Really appreciate you being here, Laura, to share your story.
Thank you for coming.
Thank you so much for inviting me and even learning to pronounce correctly my name.

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I'm originally Lithuanian, so even if it's spelled the same,
people who know me or my friends my work colleagues they know that it's pronounced louder
it's one of the most common names in the world but the pronunciation changes depending on where
you are yeah i guess so so why don't we start with your story which is i think you know i'd

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never get tired of these stories where people just go through this journey of learning things
and continuing to change their mind on things in their pursuit of finding the best health possible,
which I think is just a rabbit hole that everyone out there is beginning to at least tiptoe into right now
as more people learn that things aren't as they seem.
So walk us through the vegan-turned-carnivore story.

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How did you go through each of those steps, and how did your body change along the way?
It has started many years ago.
I have been, between being vegan, vegetarian, pescetarian, it was 13 years that I didn't have any meat at all.
So it has started, my journey has started almost 15 years ago because I have been carnival now for two years

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and I didn't go from vegan to carnival.
It has been a journey.
A lot of people think that overnight I woke up and I started eating meat, but it hasn't been like that.
So first of all, I started like everywhere, like everyone has a reason to start a healthy journey.

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So my health journey started when my uncle got sick, he got cancer, and then suddenly at the age of 44 passed.
And that was more than 15 years ago now.
And I started looking, okay, so why do we get sick?
Why somebody healthy, in shape, somebody who moves constantly, workouts, gets sick and dies suddenly.

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And I came to the book that is called The China Study.
Like probably a lot of vegans come to that book.
But now I understand it's totally not relevant.
The study is not correct.
and it was talking about being vegan.

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Also from vegan, I went to be raw vegan.
So for eight months, I ate only fruits and vegetables.
And then I went with time to be vegetarian and then pescetarian.

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And then around two years ago, I understood that my health is just deteriorating.
I was always lacking energy.
I was having massive migraines.
I was having eczema.
I was having itchy skin.
I was having bleeding gums and a lot of other issues, massive digestion issues, first of all,

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because you can imagine when you eat a lot of vegetables and a lot of fruits
and you don't have a very, very good digestive system.
Fiber is literally indigestible for humans, for those who didn't know.
It just goes straight through the tube and out the other end.
Your body doesn't break it down.
So it's going to wreck your digestion at some point.

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And I didn't know that.
Now I know about natural toxins that are present in vegetables
and also that it's not something that is basically a waste.
And what fiber also does is not that we don't get anything out of it.
It also can deplete us from other nutrients that we eat from, let's say, meat or eggs or cheese or other things.

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And because my sister is an nutritionist and my brother-in-law is a dietician,
and they were seeing me suffering specifically with my horrible digestion where it doesn't matter
whatever I would eat I would have massive bloating I would have acid reflux I would have a stomach
cramps and the acid reflux sometimes would be so bad that I wouldn't be able to sleep the night

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or I would get up at two o'clock in the morning and I would just be rolling in bed and I couldn't
sleep anymore and my sister was trying to convince me for a while why don't you start
eating meat why so it took her to convince me like it took around two years to convince me to

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start eating some meats and uh being vegan and vegetarian i also became anemic so i said okay
I will do so I started eating meat slowly slowly and just when I was visiting her mostly so I
wouldn't cook myself in first place and also understanding that it came in understanding that

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you know there is whatever you eat there will be some sort of sacrifice it's a meat that uh if you
are vegan you don't kill animals yes vegans kill by my understanding way more animals more animals
with the pesticides herbicides with how it gets harvested the grains the the vegetables the fruits

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and everything you're talking about how it gets damaged the natural habitat of a lot of animals
and how much water is used, how far avocados are coming from Costa Rica to UK because UK doesn't
grow avocados and so on and so on. So I got that understanding as well where eating cacao

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for one person is enough for maybe a year and a half. So it's much less killing and much more
sustainable in my understanding. And I did some tests for my health and I discovered that I had
SIBO. So SIBO is a small intestine bacteria overgrowth. That's why I was feeling so unwell,

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whatever I would eat and mostly fruits and vegetables. So everything that was sweet or
everything that had fiber would make me feel the worst. And my sister told me, oh, you go on the
antibiotics that will not help you or you do carnival for 30 days and you take those natural

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supplements and she had success with other carnival clients as well because normally people
come to her and the doctor says oh there is no another pill for you you know good for her that's
i mean as a she's a nutritionist you said right yes good like that's amazing i imagine the percentage

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of nutritionists who have figured out that the solution for everyone is to just eat meat
is tragically tiny.
So props to her for figuring that out and getting to it.
Well, she's very into, of course, when she finished her college, she was doing a lot
of research by herself and was reading a lot and is interested a lot in the neuroscience

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and what is happening.
and with her own health and the health with her daughter she discovered a lot of new things and
like more I read more I study myself I understand how bad are the grains and how it doesn't matter
if you're allergic not allergic to gluten nobody should be eating it because how much damage it can

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create so that's how I started my carnival journey so what was supposed to be 30 days
now is 660 something I didn't look to the calendar today but I started it on the 27th of June in 2023

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I still remember the day amazing and so walk me through the different things that you experienced
as after you made that switch and started to not just add meat in but take the plants out and just
go all meat what did you start to feel differently in your body as you went through that transition
so before i went carnivore i was kind of keto more or less so i always try to like in my house

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there was never a lot of ultra processed foods it would be just an occasional thing i mainly would
cook at home in any way. I have been to McDonald's maybe 20 years ago last time. So it's not that I
went, you know, from eating rubbish to suddenly eating proper food, like a lot of people there

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saying, or a lot of vegans saying, oh, now you are feeling better because you cut out all the
processed foods. It's not the case. So it changed. So the first two weeks, they were really, really
hot the first two three weeks when I started I was feeling dizzy I was feeling headaches I was

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feeling low in energy I couldn't even see meat anymore it was I would say horrible but then
suddenly one day I woke up and I was feeling amazing my energy was high I was not bloated

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anymore I was not having stomach cramps anymore I was not having acid reflux anymore I started
sleeping well I stopped having migraines I stopped having itchy skin and after those 30 days I said I feel good now So what if I do 100 days

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And that's, I decided to do 100 days.
And during those 100 days,
so many things have changed
that I decided to do it my lifestyle.
now we never know what will happen in the future like maybe tomorrow I will start eating

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occasionally a vegetable here a fruit there but I definitely know that I will never come back
eating grains or I will never come back eating sugar or I will never come back eating ultra
processed foods not even occasionally because I believe that all my life I had a food addiction
and I didn't even realize it.

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I did have eating disorders for a long time as well, more than 20 years.
And food used to be my obsession.
So it would be a noise that would be in my head 24 hours a day
and will not go anywhere.
And suddenly with carnivore, I understand that,
oh, I'm not thinking about food all the day.

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I'm not like my life is not going around food anymore yes I do eat and yes I do cook like we
all do but then it's not time to eat my mind is not about food and it's so liberating because
you know I always thought that once you have eating disorders you can't get rid of them

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and I did so many different treatments I did so many different therapists I did so many
you know hypnosis you name it like all sorts of techniques yoga meditation and nothing really
like nothing worked but then with carnivore that noise that food noise that self-doubt

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has disappeared completely and even in almost two years of carnival I didn't really
lose much weight I lost like a few kilos and my body shape has transformed and another motivation
why my sister convinced me to do it like I thought okay I will lose some weight it wasn't in my case

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but I got so many amazing benefits and the biggest motivation for me to continue
is because since I was a teenager, I had a suicidal depression and that has gone.
So I would get up in the morning and I will just, my first thing would be, okay, how can I end my life?

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And three months, four months down the road, then I started carnivore.
I woke up one day and I realized I'm not thinking about it anymore like I do have motivation to do
something today I do have motivation to live I do have motivation to wake up to do this or to do that

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it is just like it seems that I'm a different person and that is my biggest motivation to
continue so yeah the reason I started carnival is not the reason I continue basically
yeah and this is so common we see this how once people go through this this journey and sort of

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enlighten themselves to understanding how they were led so wrong before and they've figured out
the solution that works for them and the more they research you realize wow this is this is a
solution for everybody really this is like a species-wide thing it fills you with that motivation
to go spread the word it really unlocks that human desire to help the people around you

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So it gives you that fulfillment and that natural human connection and desire to help people around you, which just has such a tremendous power of lifting you out of these suppressed mental states.
And I would say just for myself, I wasn't suffering from debilitating depression, anxiety or anything.
But after going carnivore, I unlocked a very different gear, just a whole nother level above that where you just feel your hormones kicking in a much higher gear.

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much more energy, much sharper. Everything just sort of clicks better mentally. And I would agree
with you. I would say the biggest benefits I felt were mental and also agreeing with you were those
first few weeks were tough. And this is why it's important to get educated for people who want to
go out and try this is that a lot of people get led astray by those first few weeks that are

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difficult because your body is going through a big transformation when you completely switch the fuel
source from carbs to fat. And it's going to throw a little bit of a temper tantrum because it's
addicted to sugar. If that's what you've been eating a lot of before, then it's not going to
love it at first when you get rid of that. And it's going to, for me, I also had really low energy.

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I remember I was going to the gym. I just didn't have a lot of energy for a couple of weeks.
And my friend who I was actually traveling with doing this at the same time,
he had very different side effects. And this is a bio-individual thing. Everyone has
slightly different reactions to making that switch.
But for him, he just had crazy oxalate dumping right out of the gate.
He was having these crystals come out of his eyes

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and just like the dead skin just coming out of his back like super weirdly.
Like he would wake up in the morning,
there would just be like this brown flakes all over his bed.
And these are detoxing mechanisms that your body goes through
where once you stop consuming all those plant toxins
from the fruits and vegetables and grains, like you mentioned,
it takes a deep breath. It goes through that transition phase where it's not really sure what

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to do yet, where that manifests as low energy, some confusion, some maybe physical issues.
And a lot of times, issues that you are dealing with may get a little bit worse.
Like I know people who have skin issues like acne or eczema, because of that oxalate dumping
purging process that happens, it can even get more intense because it's trying to push all

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those toxins out really quickly since you're not consuming them anymore. So lots of things for
people to understand. It's not always a smooth process, but you just have to be prepared and
understand how your body works when it goes through a transition like that. And on the other side,
it's much better. You're always going to feel better once you push through those first few weeks

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and it'll be worth it we promise and sometimes uh i get comments or i get dms that uh somebody
started carnival a week ago or two weeks ago and they're feeling amazing so it's not sad that
you necessarily need to be you know unwell uh some people they are totally fine it depends i guess

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how much toxins you have in your body in general. And I used to eat a lot of vegetables before,
like a lot of fruits as well. So it's a lot of sugar. And you don't even need to eat necessarily
chocolate or processed sugar. You can also eat a lot of fruits and then go through that withdrawal

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and that detox of sugar by eating fruits.
And now, for example, I used to have so many cravings all the time.
And now I don't crave anything sweet anymore.
And I even have a drawer in my kitchen where I have some chocolates

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because if somebody would come for coffee occasionally,
I have something to give to them.
I actually maybe need to look at the date of expiration because they might have been expired by now.
But I never opened that drawer and I didn't even think about that drawer.
Old me could never do this.

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So, and the thing is, like, if you want to try to do Karin, well, I would say try it for 30 days and see how you feel.
You don't need to think that, oh, maybe forever I will not eat cake, so I will not eat pizza, so I will not eat bread, even if I find out how to make amazing pizza, carnival pizza and amazing bread.

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So you can get creative and do other things from the foods you can eat.
I know you're big on the recipes. I have that on my notes. We're going to get into that later for sure.
so so yeah everybody's experience is so unique and so different and i would say
like uh everyone i spoke carnival was really working and it's not necessarily you need to be

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on carnival all your life like if you healed your body and you feel like you can occasionally
introduce some fruits and some vegetables that is fine if that's what works for you
it's absolutely fine. I don't know if I would ever introduce something sweet because I believe that we

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can all moderate things and I'm not a moderator that has to do with sweet things
or just be away from those things and I think I'm the second one. It's like alcoholics, not everyone
who has a glass of wine will become an alcoholic but some i think the statistic is like 20 percent

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of the people who have ever had alcohol they will become alcoholics so i would rather stay away
from everything that is sweet and that that will not bring my food noise again into my life
yeah i totally agree and i i would say that the stance i usually try to take when i share it with

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people is just like you said you don't have to say that you have to stop being plants forever
right away that's too much for people to take just just treat it as an experiment as we all did
for me it was definitely an experiment first i thought it sounded crazy like everybody else
and just found that it kept working and kept making me feel better and better every week i
was doing it my energy improved my mental clarity improved my like I started gaining more muscle

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that I didn't have before and just all these things just started working better and if you're
going through the process and also listening to people like Dr. Anthony Chafee's podcast who
just does a wonderful job explaining all this stuff or following someone like you on Instagram
who are sharing your story combining this content consumption with the actual action of you doing it

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yourself it kind of helps you keep you locked in and keep you motivated to to really see it through
and everyone I just don't hear examples of people that have a bad time with this unless
they they do something weird like eat a ton of organs or something that's when people start
getting messed up because your vitamin levels get screwed up so I personally don't eat any organs

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have you touched organs as you found that did anything with you well I do occasionally eat
some liver and I just recently tried a beef heart It wasn my favorite but I try to eat some liver time to time not that often So normally I don really take any supplements apart of magnesium or I don take anything like on a daily basis

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Sometimes like you will see me posting, I use metal and blue, especially when I'm traveling.
or sometimes you will see me having some iodine or sometimes you will see me having something else
but like I don't do it every day so I do those things occasionally because I believe that every

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herb or even spices they are medicinal and you can't be using them all the time.
that's such a great point that i i think that a lot of carnivores would agree with i definitely
agree with this is that i still think that there is definitely use for plants as a medicine they
have very magical properties that can do specific things for your body really well i just want people

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understand the difference between food and medicine because eating something every day like you
wouldn't want to take you know pharmaceuticals every day for a problem just like you you know
you treat it differently as like a niche case and one of the things that i would throw out there as
well this isn't a plan i think this is like it's just like a tar but shilajit is the stuff that i
got from uh this local market here in costa rica for anyone wondering what this weird brown water

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is i'm drinking i that's my new podcast routine i make some shilajit water and i just drink that
as i'm doing it but uh like these different things that you can add on top as uh just little
supplements like you said it should be treated as a supplement and i've been learning more and more
about these extra detox protocols you can do because as we're unfortunately learning more and

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more there are toxic things in the environment outside of our control even if your diet is
perfect i know that you you post pictures of how you notice that this weird thing happens when you
leave the uk the sky turns blue this crazy color we used to see the blue sky now it's just like
this white haze everywhere no one's asking any questions but that's why i can tell for sure

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detox for that reason.
People can literally, if you go test your freaking pond in your backyard, you will find
aluminum in it because that's what is being sprayed in the sky by these planes everywhere.
And I'm glad more people are just not afraid to bring this up and post it on social media
because it's happening.
It's, I mean, the crazy conspiracy theorists have been right about everything so far.

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So they're still batting a thousand.
But yeah, heavy metal detox.
You need to be also careful because my account has several times been shadow banned because I posted something like that.
So I try to post a little bit less or in different wordings now.
You have to be secretive and clever with it, unfortunately.

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And I don't know. Have you heard of Nostr before?
Of what?
Nostr, N-O-S-T-R.
I don't know.
because this is something that i really want you to check out it's a social media protocol that
works much differently than a platform it's completely decentralized and it's basically

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built by a bunch of bitcoiners who understand the big tech problem of the censorship and
i saw you have over 100k followers on instagram so we need to make sure that we give you a safe
backup there's a a bunch of carnivores coming over there right now ken barry's been going on
for a while and he loves it you can earn bitcoin for your posts it's super cool i'm going to send
you some stuff on now i think you'd thrive there and uh talking about um kim berry and all the other

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um like chafee and all the other doctors and not only doctors but people who have been carnivores
for years i before i started carnivore i have listened for hours and hours of and hours of
podcast interviews read the books so I think the most important thing to start is you do your

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research you find somebody who had the same symptoms and see what they did and how they feel
now and you know why you want to do it because if you don't have your why it will be very very hard
because sometimes you have hard days.

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Like it happens.
Something stressful happens.
And you need to know why you want to continue
and why you have that direction.
So I always advocate for not just believe me
or believe you or believe somebody else.
Like do your own research, read, listen,

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and then take what suits for you
and what you can take out the best of it.
And it has definitely helped me to be motivated
to have that community of people that you can also talk,
message, get inspired, read, listen to podcasts.

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It has definitely helped me a lot.
I love it. I totally agree.
Talking about the supplements, I would say first start corn war.
don't get any supplements whatsoever,
then you are feeling good and you want to get extra step,
then start looking into how can I increase my mitochondria activity

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or how can I detox my body from heavy metals
or how can I detox my body from parasites
or how can I do this or that.
I think nutrition and living with the circadian red, so having proper daylight in your eyes and try to avoid blue lights and screens all day long is the basic.

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Then whatever you add later, it might be for your benefit, but it's also, you know, you need to try on yourself because what works for other person might not work for you.
yeah 100 i think that that is really just important to when you're doing an experiment
like this to try to keep the variables as minimal as possible like you said and so just going purely

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carnivore and not cheating at all for a month i know you can do it it's hard out there i know it's
difficult but just do it for 30 days and then you will see the differences and you'll know that
that's what it is and it's very good useful information for you to keep in the mental bank
of like, okay, starting to figure out how your body reacts to things in a different way. And like

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you mentioned earlier, later on, feel free to throw stuff back in. I've thrown stuff back in
because I'm curious what happens. And I noticed that, wow, this is actually a big difference. I
actually feel like noticeably worse after just eating some fruit now, because my body has gotten
rid of all those toxins. And when you're putting them back in, you can feel the difference. And it's
not a huge difference. I tolerate it more than or better than most people can. I don't really get

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thrown that off it doesn't turn into a slippery slope for me i can usually pull it back around
easily but i still just feel a little bit less good so why would you do that when you life is
short as well like a month of eating fruits and vegetables as well reintroducing that but everyone
who did it they all said that their energy levels went down their cravings increased

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their food consumption increased, they started gaining weight, they started having brain fog and things like this.
So I'm saying, okay, maybe I should do next month and then I push it back and then maybe I should do next month,
but then I'm pushing it back because somehow I don't feel motivated to reintroduce those foods.

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and actually in January I did 35 days of lion's diet so I thought I was feeling good on corn all
right but then I started eating so I drink coffee I try to drink it not that much and I try to drink
mostly decaf so I took away coffee and I took away everything like seafood eggs cheese dairy

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all the dairy products as well and i felt amazing like i felt amazing so if carnivores already high
lions was even higher but it's not sustainable for me like i was craving for eggs i was craving

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for coffee i was craving for cheese so what i decided to do i decided to eat as much as i can
like lion diet so some days I have only beef for example where I have lamb for breakfast and beef
for dinner and I do drink coffee again so I reintroduced it again and I buy maybe a pack of

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eggs then I don't buy it for a week and then I buy it again so I'm kind of trying to do this way
and maybe like next month or somewhere soon I will do another month of just strict lying
and because I think that was the greatest but like I said it's not sustainable for me

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so I try to make my life work but I don't feel like I'm missing a lot of things and
honestly being carnivore i don't miss like i don't feel like i'm missing like it's not that i can't
have a social life anymore yes i don't drink alcohol anymore for two years and that wasn't my

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goal i have never drank a lot so i will have maybe a glass of wine and then two months i will not have
anything and then i will have another two glasses of wine and then maybe a month i will not have
anything but my goal was not to drink alcohol for the first 100 days and after like 110 days or so

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it was my birthday so I had dinner at my house I got a prosecco that I'd normally always liked before
and I poured myself a glass as well and I just touched my I didn't even have a sip because
just the smell was already I don't want it so I just touched my lips and it was

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it was not tasting good so at that point I realized why should I poison my brain
and my body with something that I don't even enjoy or like anymore and I have
natural you know it's not for me so yeah that was that was it and I never

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craved for alcohol anymore like even the smell of it is not it's not pleasant
anymore yeah yeah and I would completely agree with you I also did a lion diet experiment when I was in Mexico I was staying at this place that had a really nice grill There was decently cheap steak nearby

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And I also had a private roof.
So I was just like my daily routine was just throwing steak on the grill, throw a little bit of salt on there.
No dairy needed.
Didn't need any butter on it.
I go lay in the sun naked on the roof all day and like so amazing.
Like I've never felt just more jazzed and more energized with life.

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I really do think that Lion Diet is the peak.
And I like your analogy of using that as sort of an anchor point.
And I don't 100% do that all the time.
Like right now in Costa Rica, there's lots of raw milk distributors everywhere.
So I've been having like raw butter and milk and ground beef with, you know, I have been good about coffee.

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I think I'm about a month with no coffee right now because I'm in the same boat where I definitely believe coffee is just straight up bad for people.
I've gone through that, the studying.
I don't think it's good for you, unfortunately, for the people that have those studies that do.
But it gives you the feeling of energy.
You're basically stealing energy from the future to use in the present.

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And I'm not going to say I'm never going to use that ever again because sometimes there are certain things that you want to feel artificially energetic for.
but I do think Lion Diet is the peak.
And the more people can just use that as a North Star
and just have like a mental understanding
of what the truth is,
I think that that's a huge win.

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Even if people don't decide to always follow it 100%,
like neither of us even do, you know?
It's just important to know what the truth is
at the end of the day.
And even the coffee,
I like your saying that it's stealing the energy
from the future.
I heard this,
somebody said that the same with alcohol and that's why I drink mostly decaf coffee

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it's not for the energy rash it's not it's for me it's purely taste because I just love the taste
and it's something that I can you know I can go out with my friends and socialize
socialize and grab a nice coffee and uh i believe that i have compromised so much

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that i decided i will leave this one thing and this is my treat this is my dessert uh this is my
cheats thing you know and yes probably coffee is not the best because it's still
a fruit, it's a seed, so it's even worse and it can have a lot of fungus in it, it can have a lot of

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other stuff like mold as well, so I try to buy it organic as well and like I said, I probably cut it
in half, so most days I have one cup, max two cups, I used to have four or five coffees a day,
now i don't anymore yeah i i like anthony chafee's way that he puts it it's like a seed is a plant's

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baby so it has the most defense chemicals and you're basically just grinding all these defense
chemicals up and drinking the juice yeah and there are a lot of downsides to that
herbicides and all the other stuff that you can't even wash away it blocks vitamin absorption too
Like that's one of the things I didn't really know before is that it blocks the absorption of like collagen and certain vitamins.

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And it – I know – I think it's underplayed how much it disrupts your sleeping rhythms as well.
Like I know people say, oh, as long as you drink it in the morning, you're fine.
But when you look at how much it sticks around, it – I forget how many hours it takes.
Like it cuts in half maybe every six hours or something, something like that.
But there's still going to be some caffeine in your system when you go to bed that night,

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even if you stop drinking in the morning.
That's going to slightly detract from your sleep quality.
So trade-offs.
Some people like having certain things, and it brings them joy.
And life is short at the end of the day,
so there are certain things that bring you joy
as long as you go into understanding the trade-offs and live your life.
I think that most carnivores would agree we're not here to tell you what to eat,

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but we are sharing stories about what we believe is the truth
of what the best is should you choose to go closer to that direction.
And we think it will help you.
And what works for us.
Yes, yes.
And another thing that I wanted to quickly drop in here
that you were talking about earlier about how the people listening
need to find the content creators

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or going through the same things that they have,
I wanted to take this opportunity to quickly shill something
that I actually made, a website I made called whycarnivore.com.
Can you see this website here?
Yeah.
So I made this specifically for people who have any sort of issue,
and they're going to see if carnivores help this.

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So you talked about SIBO earlier.
So I just do CTRL-F SIBO and find that here,
small intestinal bacterial overgrowth.
Click that in the table of contents.
And here is a group of all these carnivore testimonials of people who did this
and actually fixed that issue.
So it just makes it easier.
And another one you said, what was it, bloating?

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type in bloating and let's see here in the table of contents click that and here's a bunch of people
who experienced this you know went on sean baker's podcast talked about how they literally fixed it
with the carnivore diet so for anyone who doesn't even know where to start looking for people this
is a good place to look for it and find these people like here's a woman i interviewed nia's

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way who had the exact same thing and there's always content out there for people to to find
and learn from.
It can be a little bit tricky sometimes,
but just join the community,
start following cool people like Laura here and Laura.
And you'll find a way.
You'll find people that guide you in that direction
through their own experience.

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And it'll be a beautiful journey for you.
Yeah.
And if you need to DM me or DM somebody else,
I'm pretty sure that every carnival,
maybe not instantly,
but we'll always get back to you
if you're looking for guidance or if you have questions and like i get a lot of dms as well
and i try to get back to everyone as much as i can and uh yeah try to be always available to answer

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the questions because i believe that this has changed dramatically my life so if somebody is
in the same place where I started and doesn't see that light at the end of that tunnel,
that light exists. And by going carnivore, I am in the light now. So I'm happy to help

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if somebody needs any guide, like to find that light and to find that solution and getting out
of so many things that hasn't worked in life
because I have tried myself so many things,
so many therapies, so many diets,
and nothing really worked.

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Absolutely.
And the same goes for me.
DMs are always open, love chatting with people
as much as possible to help show them the way
or at least towards someone who can help them.
One of the things I took a note of here
that I want to bring up,
and you just touched on there as well,
is eating disorders.
This is something that's become so common for people, and it's just becoming normalized at this point that everyone has some sort of eating disorder, especially young women.

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And I want to hear your thoughts on just this thing I keep hearing the haters say of like, oh, carnivore is just another eating disorder because it's so extreme.
What are your thoughts on that, and what do you think about these points?
I think eating disorders are booming more than ever because of the social media first of all

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and we see perfection we see perfect bodies perfect shapes perfect confidence that not
necessarily is everything as perfect as you see those accounts and sometimes eating disorders
they come because some people had some sort of trauma in life as well and they kind of

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use foods or not eating as protection from the feelings. Now for me I had eating disorders since
I was a teenager. I don't really know what exactly has happened because nothing dramatic or traumatic
ever happened in my life. I can't recall that moment why and where. I just always thought oh

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I'd love to eat and I want to have a good body shape. I've never been obese or yes I do have
few kilos extra but I do have a lot of lean mass and muscle mass so if I do a scan yes I
my BMI is slightly higher, but also my lean mass is higher than average. So I do have a lot of

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muscles as well. And so especially in Lithuania, because I'm Lithuanian originally, and in Lithuania,
there was when I was growing up everybody was lean and skinny so for me I was bullied at school

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like I said I have never been fat but I was always called fat and I guess that's how
everything has started and eating disorders is something that you purposely do something
that is bad for you.
So, or you are overeating and purging,

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or you are under eating.
So you are not giving enough nutrients to your body.
And one lives together with another.
So you can't be bulimic or you can't be anorexic.
I think they are always hand in hand,
traveling together.
And unfortunately, once you are in that cycle,

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it's like something gets control of yourself it's like you're getting possessed you don't even know
what you're doing unless it's too late so how many times I promised myself from tomorrow
I'm not gonna have and do anything of that but it comes to tomorrow and then the cycle starts again

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and you just don't have a way out.
So like I mentioned before, I did several therapies.
I did different treatments and nothing really worked
because I was still lacking confidence.
I was still in that same circle.

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So the last, I would say the last more or less five years,
I was in remission.
So I was not overeating and then going to froze.
Or I was not...
starving myself anymore but the thought was always there so it was never the food noise was always

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there it was never leaving me alone and I needed a massive strength not to give up to that voice
that was constantly talking to me like I would say it's like somebody possess your body you don't

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have control of it and a lot of people are saying oh you just need to have you know willpower
like you can't say for somebody who has eating disorders to have willpower because that willpower
does not like it's not that I'm purposely doing it but it's something stronger than me that is doing

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it and then of course when you realize after it's done you feel guilty you feel all sorts of
feelings for yourself you feel even fat you feel ugly you feel depressed you like it's a horrible

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feeling and the most horrible thing is having that food noise 24 hours a day like it's first thing
then you get up in the morning and it's last thing when you go to sleep but luckily like I feel
completely free out of it like I don't think about foods like I used to and even if I do a fasting

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I'm doing a therapeutical fasting I'm not doing it to starve myself or to lose weight I'm doing
because I know that it has good healing properties.
And that's why I'm doing it.
And sometimes in the beginning when I started carnival,
I even was looking, I was counting calories for some time

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to see if I'm not under eating or over eating as well.
Because I didn't really know how to regulate myself.
I have never had in my life the understanding
what it means to be satiated.
So I could eat, I don't know, a tons of food and in my head I was still feeling hungry.

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That didn't come, like that satisfied sense didn't come very quickly.
So it was maybe five, six months on carnivore that I understood, oh, I don't want anymore.
Like I can leave something in my plate.

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That has never happened before in my life.
I would eat everything and I will want a dessert.
Now, like I eat and I feel, oh, I feel full and I can leave food in my plate.
because my body knows what it means to be satisfied yeah and this is one of the powerful

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rewirings that your brain experiences and i think it's your story is so common where
i mean i don't know what the percentages of people who have eating disorders triggered by
a traumatic event like you said and which ones it just kind of happens out of nowhere and from like
a lot of cumulative experiences, but just the fact that the way that carbohydrates act in your body

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of just making you crave more and more, it's going to just throw gasoline on a fire of whatever
little brain issues you may have going on. It's going to make it worse. And you're going to be
stuck thinking about this food all the time. And similarly to you is I never think about food
anymore because each meal I have is so filling and so satiating that it lasts so long. I pretty

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much only have two different options I go with depending on where my lifestyle is at. I'll either
have a single meal a day at nighttime and that's more than enough for me. Just have a huge pile of
steak or ground beef. And I can go for 24 hours on that easily. And I'm not even hungry for
breakfast or lunch the next day. And right now when I have a nice gym nearby, I'm lifting and

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trying to gain weight. So then I switched to two meals and that's it. I never eat more than two
meals a day like lunch doesn't even really occur on my radar anymore because i'm just never hungry
in the middle of the day i'm always good to go for at least you know 12 hours from from what i eat
last so it's it's truly like this something that people with eating disorders have to give it a try

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because you you could really see a huge change once you're just not consuming things that make
you more hungry and pull you into these bad patterns and like anyone that says that carnivore
is another eating disorder because it's too extreme,
just hasn't tried it before.
And I think they're just really reaching for things to say,
to talk people out of it because they think veganism is the way or something.

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But it always comes back down to just you have to try it for 30 days for yourself
and see what happens.
Because even considering the possible early effects that we both mentioned
of a little bit of lower energy, maybe you'll have oxalate dumping.
sometimes this happens what's that it's two weeks yeah it's it's super short and even if you do

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experience that like i've heard stories of people that do have some of these symptoms
but something so radical happens like they're they're full for a full day and just that alone
is like wow i've never been full for like a full day before it actually felt like energized for a
full day and so even with the other side effects they can like they can see the light at the end
the tunnel much easier because it fixes something so quickly and it's just just gotta try it we could

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keep beating that drum all day just 30 days think also people who have eating disorders normally
they crave what they don't crave meat or they don't crave eggs they don't crave fish they crave
you crave biscuits you crave chocolate you crave everything that is ultra processed and what i
understood. And another motivation that makes me continue not eating those foods because I'm so

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angry on the food industry, because they hire people purposely to make the food so addictive.
So it's specifically engineered to mess up with our brains. So we want more and more and more of
that food because it stimulates dopamine the stimulation tomorrow is not enough

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one biscuit you need to the day after you will need free to get the same dopamine
stimulation so you will want it more and more and more so that is another reason why i'm so
motivated to continue doing car and roll because i know what the industry is doing with us and

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everything is for the profits plus food industry and pharma they are connected so one makes us sick
another makes us heal right and then we are trapped like that hamster in the wheel forever
yeah and this is so important for people to get is how

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for these industries where you make money by selling stuff, selling a product, which for
food industry is fake food usually, or some sort of edible thing. That's what they sell. And the
pharmaceutical industry sells drugs. So they are both clearly incentivized to want people to be

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stuck in these addiction pathways where they're continuing to want more and more of it and getting
sick as a result. And I mean, someone with an eating disorder is the perfect cash cow for both
of these entities. And another one that I would add into the mix, like with the big food and big
pharma is the government itself that really has the money that funds both of these things. And

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those who've read The Big Fat Surprise by Nina Teicholz, which is one of the major books to read
on the topic of nutrition, is how the USDA food pyramid and all of these, you know, the China
of study like you talked about all these things that are propped out and used to push certain
types of food being served in these in prison systems the schools the nursing homes all these

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institutionalized places i mean the schools to me is the the biggest one we have to look at because
they are using these garbage guidelines to push more and more plant-based onto kids and take away
to meet Like when I went to school back in you know around 2010 to 2013 was when I was high school So you know roughly that decade preceding that there was never any steak to eat There was never any ground

(55:19):
beef or, you know, quality meat. It's those plastic rectangle pizzas, it's macaroni and cheese,
it's soup, it's salads, it's bread. And it's just gotten worse since then. You know, I don't even
want to look at what they're serving cafeterias now because these, all these just giant entities
have worked together to really make sure poison becomes a standard from a young age because when

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they get you at a young age especially you know young women who are having these problems like
you mentioned they're more susceptible to it statistically then you trap them for life they're
a customer for life to the pharmaceuticals and the addicting food it's so evil yeah well luckily i
finished school in 2003 so finished school 2003 so my food was a little bit better there was not

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that much ultra processed food so we had proper meals and another book now that you mentioned a
book i would advise to read why vegans have smaller brains it's a very good book and talks about
a lot about science a lot about also sustainability and explains very very easily everything

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why meat is much more bioavailable than any vegetables
and why if we want to love our body and to love our planet,
we need to eat meat instead of vegetables.
Yes, and bringing back your point that you mentioned earlier
how the vegan diet is the most destructive and deadly of all the diets

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when you actually look at what goes into it to producing those crops
and keeping those monocultures alive by just completely just drenching all of these crops with poison,
pesticides, herbicides, killing all the birds, all the bees, all the insects, all the rodents, everything.
You have much more blood on your hands eating a salad than you do eating a steak.

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You said you eat about one.
What's that?
Go ahead.
Pesticides and herbicides, you can't wash them.
so they will take in your food and you will eat them that's why i believe that's why so many people
are allergic to so many things now so many kids are allergic and they're born being allergic because

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the mother was eating that food so they kind of come here already intoxicated with different
different substances yeah and that's important because you know these fruits and vegetables they
absorb these pesticides and herbicides. If you sprinkle some water on under the sink,
it's not going to get rid of it. People think that if they wash it, then it's going to fix

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the problem. But no, it's, these are like, they're completely poisoned. And I would,
to then the people who would say, oh, I'll go to the farmer's market or grow my own.
It's better because you don't have all those added poisons, but you still have the plant
toxins that are designed to cause problems for you. So this is why we still think that
carnivore is the best but you know there are steps to this game of course if you have to choose

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between one without poison one with more added poison take the non-poisonous one but i'm still
going to stay with steak and there are vegetables that are lower in oxalates or lower in lectins so
if you need to like if you want to eat those vegetables don't eat massive quantities and
just choose the vegetables that are less has less toxins so like for example spinach you can get

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intoxicated and go to the hospital of spinach poisoning how much oxalates it contains so
just look on google the less of the vegetables that have the least ones and eat those ones at least
and try organic that is not sprayed even if i don't really believe that there is organic

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true organic unless you grow it in your garden but even the things that fall down the sky
doesn't make it much organic i guess exactly you know that that's that's the
the depressing thing about just how toxified the entire environment is right now
um there's no such thing as a completely organic fruit or vegetable of any kind

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because they're all contaminated in some way it's just a spectrum
so I think that's a lot of great stuff just on the food side I would love to pivot over to another
thing that you talk about on your page which is red light therapy I noted that you you said it
did something very interesting for an injury that you had could you walk us through your experience

(01:00:00):
with red light therapy and why you think people should look into it so I have been using red light
panel for probably over two years now or just about two years and I think it's brilliant especially
living in UK and in the winter time like we have six months of darkness like no light at all no sun

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the sky is always great so first of all red light also helps me with having that
boost of energy and it gives me a sensation that I have been a little bit in the light
and like you have said as well is amazing what it can do for injuries so I do have a bad back

(01:00:48):
where the carnivore it has improved a lot but I need to be very very careful how
I move and sometimes doing a workout I can twist in the wrong way and I get blocked back for
basically a week and that's where I was doing a lot like in those occasions I would do a lot of

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red light so normally I would do it every day for 20 minutes but if I do have an injury it works
magic of injuries i would do like even an hour on my back or on my leg whatever i heard another
thing that red light helped me massively well not only red light it's also talo skincare

(01:01:32):
castral oil and red light uh panel helped me with my face pigmentation i used to have melasma and i
just recently did a post on my instagram how much documentation i used to have on my face
and now yes you still see it's very a little bit but it's like 10 times less what it used to be

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and i was told that melasma can be healed only with steroidal creams uh you need to use them
six months to 12 months. There's nothing you can do. You can't do lasers. You can't do this. You
can't do that. It's only those creams that would work. And I said, okay, let's see if I can do it

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myself using something else. So I did a little research. I found that castor oil is good for
pigmentation and what I would do in the morning and in the evening I would put castro oil and
will use all a red light wand or red light panel every morning and every evening so I was doing

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that for the last year and I was and I'm using currently natural skincare so the only thing
that is not natural is the mascara because there are no mascaras that are natural and actually I
stopped doing makeup every day so you will see me with makeup very occasionally only because

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everything gets absorbed through our skin so whatever you put it can you know still go to
your bloodstream it can still mess up with your hormones and can still cause you health issues
like immune conditions so it's very rarely that I do any makeup and if I do most of my makeup is

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also made out of tallow and other natural things so yes I think that red light helped me massively
and it's something that I do every day.
And it gives you that mood boost as well in the wintertime,
especially if you live in the countries like UK

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or somewhere more north.
If you live in the country where you have plenty of sun like Costa Rica I bet you have a lot of sun and you can just get those natural red lights from the sun directly
That is even better.

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If you don't have that possibility, red light panel is a saver.
Amazing.
And I'm glad you brought up the skincare stuff too because I see this so often.
I remember seeing this in college and I still see young people all the time.
And I can just sort of sense it where they're,

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they have all this acne all over their face.
And of course it's totally normalized now that, you know,
every teenager is supposed to have terrible skin for some reason.
And they're, you know,
it's from what they're eating is what first happens.
And then the girls will just cover themselves up with makeup and you can see
the bumps underneath because it's just making it worse though.

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You know, you're putting more. The reason why you have acne in the first place is because your body is detoxing.
You're putting too many toxins in. It's purging the detoxing or purging the toxins through your skin pathways.
And then you're covering it up with makeup, which infuses more chemicals into your body.
It just turns into a death spiral.
And it's both really just hard to see this happen because, you know, they're just stuck in that loop.

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But it's also really exciting to see those who are open-minded to really trying to fix these things, as more and more people are, because all you really need to do to see a massive difference for the vast majority of people is cut out the seed oils, cut out the carbs, and switch out the makeup for some tallow, like you said, or some lard.
um uh pharaoh skincare i got i had a guy on who has who sells like lard skincare and it's just

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using animal fats on your face is great because it it it actually works with your body it's the
same sort of uh acids that your body has and so it's going to make your skin healthier and then
adding things on like red light too getting more sunlight all these things are so powerful and
they're i hope people can hear this and think wow you know i've always been told that the sun is bad

(01:06:13):
for me it's going to give me cancer and you know that that all these plants are so good for me like
how could I possibly be the problem but they're starting to realize that what they've been doing
hasn't been working it might be time to listen to these people who all have all this energy and
glowing skin all the time maybe try this out for a change see what happens and my skin honestly

(01:06:33):
by using natural skincare and talo creams look better now than five years back so I like the
carnivore it came also i don't know a certain confidence and certain transformation that i have
never thought i will have because i used to have full face of makeup i needed to put that mask in

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on my face and now like especially if you check my instagram most of the posts they have zero makeup
whatsoever and if you would have told me back two years ago that I will post myself with messy hair
no makeup I would say no this is not possible I would never do this but now I just feel much

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more confident I just embrace who I am like this is my face you don't like just scroll somewhere
else like i'm 40 years old i believe that i look quite young for the age i am i am against all the
buttockses and all the you know uh things that can damage us our health and our skin so i used to

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like i use only natural things and even like face masks and things like that made of honey or maybe
flax seeds or maybe talo like there are some natural things and some that we can do and the
most important thing is the nutrition so what you put inside that makes your skin glow i used to be

(01:08:13):
so white like my face used to be gray and paper white my eyes used to be like if you scroll
very, very first post and you would notice that my eyes, they didn't have any light in them.
And slowly, slowly, my skin tone started changing. So my eyes started changing, my confidence started

(01:08:42):
changing so so many other things has changed just by changing my diet and even like I believed to be
spiritual person you need to be vegan or vegetarian you can't certainly eat meat so I have been
meditating and doing spiritual practices and energy healings for the last I don't know 20 years

(01:09:09):
So I did them when I was vegan vegetarian and I do them now.
And I would say that now that I eat meat and my body is properly nourished and my mind is healthy, I don't have suicidal thoughts.
I don't have depression.
I don't have eating disorders anymore.

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That energy stream is so much more powerful that I have never had when I was a vegan.
And what I see a lot of yogis as well, they are coming back to meet.
There are retreats, yoga retreats that you will be fed animal based foods now.

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Because I think people are understanding more and more and more.
Because being vegan, you constantly keep your body in starvation.
You don't put any building materials.
So how can you be nourished?
and how that connection with the divine or whatever you want to call
can be clean and clear if your body is starving.

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So the body is the temple, right?
To keep our soul.
If that temple is all broken and all falling apart,
how can you feed that soul properly?
you can't and i i'm so with you we need to we need to keep pushing the message out so we can

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save all these spiritual folks out there the yogis and the folks who mean so well like you
can tell they have so much love in their heart and they want to do what's best for themselves
the environment the animals and the earth and they were just led astray by some netflix documentaries
and that's why it's important work to help get them back on track because we want them

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They are great people who deserve to be super healthy and super thriving.
And people like you are doing the work on that.
And we really appreciate you.
Laura, where can people go to follow all of your content and continue following your story?
So, of course, Instagram.
Mostly I'm present there.
And my name, like you mentioned, is vegan turned carnivore.

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I try to post a lot of recipes.
I try to post a lot what I eat.
I try to post, you know, saying, oh, I just finished my 30 minutes workout.
And I do that because people are telling me, oh, because I saw your post, that motivated me to work out even those 20 minutes.

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Because I believe, like, I believe in movement.
I used to be a spinning instructor as a hobby for many years.
and I used to abuse my body and used to exercise like way too much.
That is good for our body.
Now I do short workouts.
I try to use like strength resistant workouts or HIIT workouts

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and then go for a walk.
That's what I do.
And I post what I post because I constantly get the messages
that because of your post today, I did this, this, and this.
and actually Instagram was born that I started sharing my story first of all for myself to be
motivated because if I say something I will do I kind of said it so I can't pull back now

(01:12:38):
so it started like this I never imagined that in a year and a half a little bit more now
it will grow with 100 plus followers.
Like I never imagined that will happen,
but more I was posting and more DMs I was getting,
more motivation I was getting myself And I know that I have inspired quite a few people And if today I can inspire one person and if today I can help one person I believe my job is done

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Because if I go back and I put myself in those times where I really, really suffered and I was so alone and I was so devastated and so depressed.
and my days were basically just to survive and if I could get out of that state

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like somebody else who is hearing those words now can do the same at least like there's no damage to
to try for a month or two for free like you're not gonna die from heart attack like a lot of
people they they said to me that i will be dead in six months and actually by the way i did

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blood test last year and i did blood tests recently and my cholesterol went down because
then you get fat adapted your cholesterol normalizes and we all know that slightly
higher cholesterol is good for so many things like prevention for alzheimer's like brain

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degeneration and so much more and it also all your hormones are cholesterol yeah and so yeah
if you are somebody who already tried it all and still struggles i would say just try it out
and if you want to follow me on Instagram

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and get motivated
if you even want me to send you a DM
every day
to remind you that
you can work out
or you can do this or you can do that
just text me and I will do that
I do that
sometimes with my friends because they know
that I can be a good motivator

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and a good coach
I can see it
I do have a YouTube channel
as well i'm not posting as much as i i would like mostly it's recipes or some past interviews that i
had with somebody else like i'm having now with with yourself it's the same vegan tent carnival

(01:15:32):
if you can't find it on my instagram where you definitely will find me on instagram you can go
on my bios the link is in my bios is that where you can find recipes too i forgot to bring up the
recipes from earlier because i know that you're all over that is the best place to find those
your youtube channel or just scattered on instagram or what uh yes so some recipes so

(01:15:55):
on instagram of course it's short times so you can do it in a way but normally the same recipe
i would do on youtube and i will show all the process so if you want let's say carnival pizza
or carnival cake. I made the most amazing carnival cake for my 30th birthday and all my family asked

(01:16:21):
for second piece actually. I had some honey for them just in case but most of them they didn't
even need it. So you can get creative like luckily I'm a very creative person and before
turning carnivore I was trying always to make some sort of healthier snacks, healthier treats,

(01:16:44):
healthier desserts for myself. So instead of using sugar for example I would use dates or bananas or
stevia or instead of using normal flour because I discovered around three years, three and a half
years that I'm gluten intolerant so I haven't been eating gluten or grain for a longer period of time

(01:17:06):
So I was using alternatives to make the sweets.
So I was always creative with food.
My mom would say that I can make something out of nothing.
Not all the recipes, they turn out like perfect,
but then I can always perfect them later and I post the ones that I really like.

(01:17:30):
or for example when I did the beef hearts I just tried it live and I gave an honest opinion that
it wasn't my favorite for example or like chicken hearts as well when I tried they were not my
favorites but you can always experience the food like I am a person that I can never follow the

(01:17:55):
recipe so if i don't film it i don't know what i put so normally i try always to film it it's not
the easiest way to make something and film it at the same time but i enjoy doing it and if you need
any inspiration you can definitely find some recipes on my instagram or my youtube channel as

(01:18:19):
well. Amazing. I think the word of the day to pass on to listeners is just experiments and include
these things that you've been told your whole life that were so bad for you, because more and
more people are finding out that the exact opposite of what we were always told is the truth is
actually the best we can do. And carnivore is the ultimate example of that. All these other cool

(01:18:42):
solutions like the red light therapy, the tallow over the makeup, all of these things are going to
help people feel better out there so it's super exciting to be in this battle trying to get more
truth out there in front of people laura thank you so much for coming to join me today i really
really appreciate your time thank you so much it was a pleasure and uh yeah hopefully somebody who

(01:19:04):
needed to hear this message message will hear it and i guess we can just change the world by
sharing our own stories and a lot of people they're saying oh carn was so bad but if people
get out of the medication most of them they lose a lot of weight uh a lot of them they get out of

(01:19:28):
depression like is it not working even the funny fact i will tell you uh recently i went to the
cardiologist because I was curious to see what is happening with my heart after two years I was
eating mostly red meat right so I did all the blood tests I still need to post them and I did

(01:19:55):
all the tests at the cardiologist so he said your heart works perfectly your arteries are all working
perfectly and I said oh that's good to know I'm eating a lot of red meat oh but you know you
shouldn't be eating more than twice a week and but he just said that my heart is perfect

(01:20:20):
I didn't say that I'm carnival because probably he would have had a heart attack by that time
uh but yeah how how like i was kind of just laughing inside of me and thinking you just
said me like i'm 100 healthy but now you are saying that i can't be eating red meat because

(01:20:42):
it's bad for me yeah they're so programmed to just you know hear these healthy things and say
and just like they short circuit about it because they were taught by their medical school to not
use those holistic solutions because they don't don't sell pills sadly you know they're they've

(01:21:02):
been turned into drug pushers and sales people so and i know there's a lot of good ones out there
who hopefully there's some hearing this today and they they are figuring out that they're part of
this you know system that was never designed to heal people and it's huge for those people to
figure this out and start turning the tide. Like I know your, your sister's nutritionist who is

(01:21:23):
starting to figure this out and share it with the people. We need more people who have these
authority titles because a lot of the world will never come and listen to my dumb little podcast
or find your Instagram. They're just going to continue finding what they believe to be the
experts. And more often than not just be led into things that destroy their bodies. So continuing to

(01:21:46):
push the message out there, helping more people find the way and people like you're doing that.
So thank you so much for your time and continue doing what you're doing because you're making a
huge change out there and the world needs more of that. So thank you so much. Thank you.

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