#132 Guest on Plant Free MD w/ Dr. Anthony Chaffee - Why Carnivores Need Bitcoin - Ben Wehrman Podcast

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Hey, everyone. Thank you for joining another episode of the Plant-Free MD Podcast. I'm your

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host, Dr. Anthony Chafee. And today I have a very special guest, my friend, Mr. Ben Wehrman,
who is joining me down from, I believe, Mexico. At least that's what it was last time. Ben,
how are you doing? I am back in the beautiful state of Washington,
just to hop skipping away from our old alma mater. Oh, nice.
to mexico tomorrow though actually oh very good yeah nice and uh you're in seattle now or where

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you at yeah would be islands where the home base is yeah nice very good it's ben how you doing man
it's good to see you i'm doing awesome dr chafee i really appreciate you bringing me on so we can
have a round two together i had a blast last time was just listening to it a couple nights ago going
for a walk through town and just thinking man it's so awesome that we get to do this just record these

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conversations put them out on the internet anyone can listen to them download them just have it out
there for free i love what we do man it's awesome it's too much fun and just having a blast with it
yeah awesome me too man so um for people who haven't come across you before can you tell us
tell us a bit about you and what you do absolutely so i can give just a bit of backstory i suppose

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would be in order uh quickly to speed through my very young life pretty standard american diet i'd
call it standard American diet. Plus we did our best. My family loved me very much. They always
did what they thought was best for me. We had very little super obvious process crap. We had
lots of fruits and vegetables and grains and cereal for breakfast because eggs are bad. And we

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had chicken for the meat because red meat is bad. I probably had red meat like once a month, but
every time it was around, I was scarfing it down. The primal Ben inside of me knew that I needed
this meat. So I was always hunting the meat down. It's always been in there. So that took me till
about 2022. I would say this is when things started getting a little more interesting. And

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I have a unique entryway into the carnivore world that I'm excited to share because I don't believe
I've heard anyone on your podcast have a similar story. In one word, it would be Bitcoin or Bitcoiners
more specifically. I got very involved in the Bitcoin scene from 2020. And then in 2022,

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I was in Austin, Texas, where there's a huge Bitcoin mecca. There are lots of meetups.
And I'm not sure if you know the Bitcoin or stereotype, but Bitcoin people love meat.
There's a lot of carnivore Bitcoiners. And for that reason, there's a small bridge there,
but I'm trying to build it bigger. And I'll go more into that later when I'm going to do that.

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But anyway, I went to a bunch of these Bitcoin meetups. There's just mountains of meat in all
these meetups. And I'm just thinking at that point, it's still like, man, that can't really
be good for you. Like I'm seeing all these Bitcoiners just eating, just scarfing down
whole plates full of meat, no carbs anywhere to be found. And I still think it's kind of weird at
that point. But the more time I spend around these people, the more I realize that they're just right

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about everything. Like these are really hardcore researchers. They're first principles thinkers.
They really know their stuff. So soften me up on the meat thing. I was always scrolling on social
media like every other NPC does on in the morning. I'm going through the social media reels,
Instagram reels, and I start seeing about seed oils being bad. So I think, okay, this,

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this is making sense. Maybe engine lubricant isn't great to be in my body. So I cut that out.
and the place I lived in Austin, Texas had a pool with beach chairs around it. So I could test
this theory that I kept hearing that cutting seed oils makes it so you don't sunburn anymore.
Cause growing up in the Pacific Northwest, I would burn in like 20 minutes and the very mild

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sunlight here, my whole life growing up, I always was caking on the sunscreen cause I thought it was
the best thing to do and so i tried out uh just cutting seed oils out and just seeing what
happened and lo and behold after a few months of no seed oils i wasn't even carnivore yet but just
no seed oils i could lay out in that beach chair for hours and just get tanned so i thought that

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was pretty cool like the things you put in your mouth are actually affecting how you look and feel
that's awesome so just continued digging down that rabbit hole i went into the whole animal based
thing in 2023 do the the meat fruit and honey settled there for a little while and like a lot
of people i thought that was oh this has to be it this has to be the best because you know honey is

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has these magical properties are somehow good for you and i mean of course fruit is good for you
because it's it comes from nature right totally not just super hybridized over thousands of years
or anything. So doing that. And then I find Mr. Anthony Chafee's podcast, the plant free MD
that's around halfway through 2023. And your podcast is what totally took me to the final

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stage. I would call the bottom of the rabbit hole carnivore diet. I finally cut those fruit out,
said, let's try this, see what happens. And, uh, went all in from there. And this actually
coincided perfectly with a trip I was doing to Colombia. And I thought this works great.
Going to a place where the meat's a lot cheaper. And I was also going with a friend who was also

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just like me. His name is Peruvian Bull on Twitter. Anyone in the finance world will know him. He's
got over 100,000 followers over there. And he was coming into this with quite bad insomnia for most
of his life. He almost called the trip off because he was getting like two or three hours of sleep
for months on end, having a really bad time with that and just having mental issues because of it,

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going to the hospital. And so I had seen enough at this point to think, bro, this might actually
help out with that. This diet may help your brain. It could just be a fat deficiency. So
why don't you try this with me? Let's do it together. So we both flew on over to Columbia,
moved into our hostel and just went on a shopping spree, just packed a mountain full of meat and

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butter and salt and just start going for it and as you can imagine the the hostile life as a
carnivore is quite interesting the the people in that environment are pretty much exactly what you
would expect the sort of lost souls trying to find themselves doing the best they can and kind of
sounds like vegans because there's a lot of them there's a lot of overlap there so we would just be

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cooking these huge mountains of meat every day for dinner. And, you know, these girls and guys
from all these different European countries are making their little salads and are kind of
wondering what the heck is these people doing is super weird. However, I will say I've been
traveling quite a while. I've been on and off digital nomads since 2018. And I have noticed

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people's ears are perking up a little bit quicker now than they used to. I wasn't carnivore back
then, but I was definitely in some meat back then. And I just think that in general, these people
are getting more open to the idea of learning about this mainly because most of the people in
my generation of millennials are getting to the age now where they've been doing, they've been

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locked into their ideology for a while and they're starting to feel the effects one way or another.
And so you'd meet a lot of people who are having some health issues. Once you have those, uh, you
know, this stereotypical at the hostel with a bunch of, you know, cool people you're meeting
and hanging out chatting.
And of course they ask about the diet or, or maybe I forcibly talk about it.

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Cause I can't stop talking about meat.
And we figure out that they actually have some issues that I know just to think for
now, I have a podcast for you.
And so this whole time I'm sort of putting these pieces together of meeting people and
thinking, Oh, I can help this person with this podcast episode.
Jay, if you did a podcast on this, I heard one from Sean Baker on this, and I'm starting
realize i should make a huge compilation website where i can just have a directory

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of all these different common issues people have and just make a list of all the the good podcast
episodes or websites or resources that can help those people get through you know get through the
barrier of ideology and figure out that this could be just the key to fixing their issue and this
isn't the first time i've had a website like this pop into my head i actually made one about bitcoin

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called whybitcoinonly.com, which is just a similar format of just a massive collection
of Bitcoin resources. That was my first really big rabbit hole that I went down, just learning
about Austrian economics. I know that you're liking those Thomas Sowell posts on Instagram.
I see your little icon there. So he's the best. And that whole rabbit hole of just learning how

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human action works, Keynesian economics, Austrian economics, sound money, the importance of money
in the economy, how it trickles down into absolutely everything. And that's something
I'd love to talk about here today as well. How Bitcoin is the solution to the money problem,
which is super relevant to carnivores. We'll get to that later. But yeah, I mean, basically,

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where am I at this point? 2023, Columbia trip, ate tons of meat, felt amazing.
Shattered misconceptions everywhere, just thinking this is crazy. Go back home for the holidays,
of course unload on my poor family just telling them that i'm only eating meat now i'm just like
filling the kitchen with steak every day and they're so confused because they're still eating

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their salads and everything so i'm trying to you know friendly push this onto people but it's really
hard when you just found something amazing and you want to help everybody i'm definitely like that i
just want to save everyone all the time it's kind of crazy when you're in that mode you have to learn
Learn how to reel back a little bit.
But anyway, continue just grinding podcasts.
And the more that I just kept hitting a brick wall with my friends and loved ones who weren't keen on this,

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I learned that it was just frustrating to keep going down that road and not make any progress.
I really needed to just focus on building this website.
And so I got the domain, got whycarnivore.com.
And I just started absolutely grinding through podcasts and content.
and your your podcast was the first one i went through all the way through i went through sean

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baker's entire podcast which is huge i'm sure if people know that there's like in the thousands of
episodes that one took a while um i was i listened every single one and ken barry's youtube channel
went through the whole thing dr killed dr weedeman there's so many great carnivores out there and
just going through that rabbit hole was a really fun time just learning about all these different

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people's stories and just ossifying this confidence in myself like this is this is really something
here this is something big we need to get this out there so um started bringing these people
onto my podcast kind of at the same time i started a podcast last year around the same time i started
carnivore funny enough it was almost exactly a year ago it was august 23 and at that point the

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plan was for it to be a strictly bitcoin podcast it was going to be all about bitcoin and the first
several episodes are Bitcoin only.
And if you just look at the episode list, it starts getting a little meaty
in the, I think in the teens or the twenties, I just like, I need to talk more
about this.
I need to get more people on.
That when I got you on was when I was only a few months in So just just continue grinding Went back to Columbia for a second round We really enjoyed it So we went back and it kind of funny The stereotype for Columbia is like the

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white dudes just all fly over there to get their wife. But I was the exact opposite. I was, I was
completely buckled in that coworking room. I had the headphones on. I was grinding through carnivore
content all day, every day, literally getting up at like 8am and go until like one or 2am at night.
most of the time 16 hour days just busting my butt getting through that because i was just super

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motivated i had no job i had no money basically i was running into debt but people need this this
needs to happen but there needs to be a resource like this because there isn't one anywhere
um so just continue doing that for the next several months until 2024 this year july
wrapped it up website done it came out to about 330 pages on google drive

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i hope people like it because if i even try to go in and edit it wordpress just crashes because
it's so big so i can't even really change it unless i have like 30 minutes away from my computer to
finish loading so i'm happy with it i think that it's a solid resource out there and i really
appreciate your support getting the message out you boosted it dave mac talked about i went on

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his show to talk about it. And I'm really just hoping that this can help people just connect,
connect the dots for people because it's, I organize it in such a way to where you scroll
down through the table of contents. You can see everything sorted out as best as I could,
just to all these different categories of things. There's a whole section for
common misconceptions like, Oh, what do you need your vitamin C? Oh, there's no fiber. Oh,

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this, that, this, that. And also at the very end, there's a meat heel section. I called it where
It's just a massive list. I think two or 300 different illnesses or conditions that people suffer from.
I filled all of those with specific testimonials and stories of people who fixed that thing with carnivore.
And I was very picky about all the things that the website's about one tenth of the total content I went through.

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And I'm I'm pretty hardcore about like staying very pure on carnivore.
If people started talking about keto or animal based, I usually tossed it because there's just enough out there on carnivore now that I want to stick true to the message.
The North Star needs to be carnivore and super happy with the final results and super thankful for people like you doing the work you do, putting that content out there.

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So idiots like me who can't really talk very deeply about the bodily systems and the science side, I can't remember dates or details in general to save my life.
but I can consume a disgusting amount of content and just shove it into my
brain all day, every day. And I just never get tired of learning about it.
And it's a,
it's a pleasure to find a place where I can help make a difference as a lowly

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pleb over here, just going through YouTube videos and podcasts.
Well, that's awesome, man. It's a huge amount of work.
Over 300 pages is massive. What's the name of the website again?
Is it why carnivore? Is that right?
yep why carnivore.com and i also made a twitter account for it i made a nostra account for it i

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was just telling you about nostra earlier i'm trying to you know build a little sub brand on
the social so i can try to get just post memes on there to get more eyeballs and more uh understanding
of carnivore so it can sort of drive people into the website that way too if anyone wants to follow
that it's just white carnivore cool so w hy carnivore just all spelled out yeah yeah do you

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want do you have it um up you wanted to possibly even share your screen sure yeah let's try it
well i can pull it up right now easy peasy now can you see that yep yeah i can see that sweet so
yeah just that table of contents i was talking about there you got that right here we go start
at the very beginning from the ancestral background and you can click on these as a hyperlink too so

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if you want to go straight there, you just click it,
brings you down here.
And then there's also, I'm not sure if you can see it with this in a way,
but there's a hyperlink for every one of these sections.
So if you want to send one of these sections to someone you know,
you can just copy that.
So let's scroll down into table contents here
to the meat heals section I was talking about
where there's just a ton of different conditions people can have.

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So let's say Lyme disease.
You know someone with Lyme disease.
You can click this, it'll shoot you straight down here.
and up here in the url you just see why carnivore.com slash hashtag lime you send that over to them it
will bring them straight down to that section with a bunch of videos about people that have
helped their lyme disease with carnivore so pretty simple and this little arrow at the bottom left

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just takes you right back to the top that's all there is to it yeah very cool yeah no that's great
so it's just just tons of different um you know content and videos and and things like that of um
of all the different sorts of, you know, subjects and issues that people may have had.
That's, that's pretty awesome.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I appreciate it.

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And that's, it's meant to be a really simple site.
It's all text.
It's just links.
And there's, I thought about throwing some memes in there, but it's already just enormous.
So just keeping it simple.
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah.
That's massive.
Yeah.
I was just sort of clicking around on some of these things and yeah, there's just tons
and tons and tons of uh of different videos and content and things like that as well which is

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great and i would certainly urge even the veteran carnivores to give it a look because there is uh
something for everyone on there i really made sure that it goes real deep into each of the subjects
so if there's any uh arguments that maybe you've gotten tripped up on in the past when you got in
into a discussion about carnivore and people were challenging you on and you wanted to explain it

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well can sharpen your your game on that because it i i put each different misconception in there
i let me just scroll down here misconceptions miscon okay yeah and there's just a huge list
of them that you can just go through vitamin c deficiency you know give me cancer thyroid
deficiency diabetes inflammation all these stupid things we hear that carnivore gives you

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you just click those and it'll take you straight down to white sbs yeah a lot a lot of chafee a lot
of ken berry and a lot of bark k i really like bark k because he does not hold back and he goes
especially the vitamin c when i'm pretty sure that's all bark k he just he just goes in on that
you know i love the guy yeah very good and so some of these ones um so down the meat heels

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section i'm seeing here there's just a whole bunch of different uh issues like exactly and
lyme disease they said any other autoimmunity um yeah very good so you have any sort of particular
issue that people may have you know they they may go down there and obviously i'm sure as things come
up um you know they'll be able to have add more and more to these sorts of things yeah exactly

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very cool i also learned a lot about the human body and how it works because it was a huge pain
about for me to learn how to organize all those sections so that was educational yeah
Yeah, yeah. Really happy to have it out there. And it was a labor of love. And I have gotten nothing but good feedback so far. So I really encourage people just take a look, check it out, see what they like. And yeah, there's a secret section there even about Bitcoin.

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Bitcoin and carnivore make a connection. It kind of talks about that a bit. I snuck that in there. Maybe that's something we could talk about here too at some point.
yeah i'm looking at this too i'm just trying to think um just i see all these okay so you can go
down there it shits it out a bit well i'm just looking at this this is a massive massive massive

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work man i'm like this is this scrolls down forever and uh so uh yeah there's a lot a lot
of information here and uh great well you know people are um yeah people are interested you know
check that out it's why carnivore.com um and i'll put a link in the description as well and people

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can can check that out i mean it's sort of fun just to just go through and to see you know just
the monumental amount of like information there is here which is uh it's pretty pretty cool so
yeah well thanks for putting that together man i'm sure it's very helpful for a lot of people
and i mean people like you really inspire me man you you you've been putting your work out there

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you've been so just motivational on that end, just really working hard and getting stuff out to
your ability and knowing how your brain works and how your skillset can come into this thing and
really help progress people toward better health. And I, that's something I really talk about with
people is it's easy to listen to someone like Dr. Chafee or Ken Berry, who really understand the

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human body super well in these systems. And so it can be easy to think, oh, I'm just going to,
you know, leave it to those guys to do the content and, you know, kind of sit back on the sidelines.
I think that everyone out there can play a part in this. This is such an important
cause that we're behind right now. We have found a huge key to so many people getting better. And

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it's going to take everyone, even if that just means starting your own YouTube channel or an
Instagram page where you just post pictures of steak, you know, that, that makes a difference.
We're, we're pushing the messaging out there. Even just celebrating the fact that you're eating
meat is crazy enough, a rebellious move these days. So don't discount it, keep doing it. Everyone
can find a place where they can play a part and just understanding your own skill set, what you

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love to do and what you're good at and just jumping right in and, and talk to people like
Dr. J.P. Tag him on Instagram. He's, he's really good about that and sharing people. And I know all
the other carnivores are super helpful as well. So just get in the game, baby. That's all I got to
say. Awesome. Yeah. And, and the more voices out there, the more people talking about it, you know,
the more, uh, the more noise there is, the more people are aware of it. You know, you're going to

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be, uh, very influential to people that you don't even realize. Um, I thought that I sort of was a
bit late getting into the game and people were saying the things that I, you know, I, I thought
needed to be said. And so I was like, Ooh, is it really, you know, is it really worth my coming in?
But, you know, there was a couple of things I thought, well, maybe I can sort of bring this,
you know, um, in my own way, it might be a good, good addition, but I wasn't, I wasn't really sure.

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And then people started saying that they'd come across things, but the way I said it was really helpful and that it made sense to them.
And somebody else is going to listen to what I'm saying.
I'm like, oh, I don't know.
That doesn't make sense.
But they're going to hear somebody else say something very similar, but they're going to say it in a way from a direction and a context that makes sense to those people.

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And so I've always been really hopeful that more and more people will come out and make channels.
I encourage everybody to get their story out there and start making content because you're going to influence people and say things in a way that is going to make sense to certain people.
It's not going to make sense when other people say it.

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So do get out there and say something.
You just have a whole bunch of people out there talking about how great it is and about how much of a difference it made in your life.
you know people are going to have to stop um you know stop trying to pretend it's not a thing
you know because it is you know and it works and uh it works really well it really helping a lot of people so you know get your word out there get your message out there and let people know just how much this helps you And there are a couple of things you said there that are so critical that I want to highlight

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The first one is just how different voices resonate with different people.
That's one of the things I really learned as I was going through this content, just that
there's such a spectrum of different styles and deliveries.
And we need to take this into account when we're introducing this to people, because
this is a very new concept for everyone.
out there pretty much everyone and so you need to figure out if you're trying to help this person

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heal and become their healthiest self and you want to get them into carnivore the best way you can
it's it's going to take a little bit of mix and match skills you got to kind of know their
personality and know what they're looking for and for me personally i i like it hard and straight
just give me the facts that's why i loved your podcast and why i like bart k ken barry is good
um i actually don't love it when people are soft and sort of wishy-washy like oh like meat's good

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you know do what works best for you i'm kind of done with that to be honest i just want the hard
facts man yeah and but some people do like it a little bit soft and a little more warm and cuddly
and you know there's there's plenty of that on the site too and just looking through the immense
amount of carnivore doctors and there is a a section on the site of just doctor testimonials

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because i know people like my family are really looking for that authority you know they're they
grew up the older generations grew up really trusting authority figures and these the letters
at the end of the name so there's a whole section for just doctors saying it and so you can go
through that see which ones you think would fit best for the people you're targeting and uh yeah

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make it happen get more carnivores going help the world heal everyone definitely uh well cool man
um well hopefully people go check that out and uh take a look it's it's really cool it's a massive
massive platform, a lot of resources there. So it's a good place to send somebody and say,
hey, there you go, get going. And so, yeah. So apart from that, you got into this from Bitcoin,

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which is something that I've seen a lot, actually. I've heard a lot of people come to this from
Bitcoin or people from this go start thinking about Bitcoin. It's not something I've looked
into much myself apart from understanding its core concept. And it's sort of decentralized,

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getting away from these different sort of governments and their control over the monetary
system, which I think is probably a good thing. I don't know which Rothschild, but it was like
100 plus years ago or something like that. He said, you give me control of the monetary system
and I care not who runs the country, you know, it's just like, because he's running the country,

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you know, and he's just making money off everybody. So don't do that. Don't let people
like that be in charge of the monetary system. And so having something decentralized made sense
to me, but it's not something I've looked into or invested in, you know, really myself. But,
you know, it's these sort of interesting concepts, I think, are very interrelated.

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Once you get the wool pulled off your eyes about something and you spot the bullshit with how we've been lied to about food and this sort of stuff and how cholesterol and heart disease and all these other sorts of things.
And this has killed hundreds of millions of people early as a result, probably billions at this point, and caused untold amounts of disease and harm.

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and you start seeing that and how readily people are willing to lie about something that can kill
and hurt so many people in such horrific ways. You just start looking, okay, well,
what else are they lying about? Because they couldn't have just started with that.
That's such a big one. It's gone on for so many decades and it's harmed so many people and they

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know it's harming these people and they clearly don't care what else do they care about? And so I
see a lot of people from all these different sorts of avenues that have sort of seen like,
you know, spot the bullshit in whatever field and then start looking around and,
you know, find each other. So, you know, tell me a bit about Bitcoin and why you think that's

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the way to go. Oh, I'd love to. I know people out here are ready for this. They've been warmed up
for a long time to look for more lies that are being fed to them. And that's why I'm so excited
to bring these worlds together.
I would start with just saying,
anyone out there who's read
The Big Fat Surprise by Nina Teichold,
I know you and I both had her on our podcasts.

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This book is basically walking through
how every single step of the way
that the government has put this huge,
nonsensical, big pharma-ruled system in place
and really ossified it through their power.
And the three-letter agencies
that have all been corrupted,
and they all have infinite power.
This is key. Every single one of these governmental arms have infinite power and money because of the Federal Reserve money printer just showering money whenever they want it.

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They can print money at will. And this is the big key is the money printer is the death star of this evil empire here.
because when you rewind way back before the Federal Reserve was enacted in 1913,
when we were on the gold standard for 5,000 plus years,
and things were a lot different when we had this form of money that could not be printed,

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it actually gained value over time.
How crazy is that?
When you got a gold coin as a little kid, you grew up,
and when you pass it down to your kids later in life, it's worth more.
It was deflationary.
That's important.
And the reason why it did that is because it had a relatively fixed supply.
It was really hard to make more of it.
It took a lot of work to mine it.

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And as the supply grew very slowly, human productivity and efficiency increased very rapidly.
So when you have that dynamic, the money actually gains value.
And compare that to now.
Federal Reserve created in 1913.
In 1971, we completely detached from the gold standard.
Richard Nixon comes on and basically says

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oh we're just going to use a dollar now. Tough luck.
If you don't use this then we'll throw you in a cage.
Oh gold's illegal now.
6102 was an act I forget what year it was around
the 20s or 30s I think where they literally made it illegal
to be holding gold. They came to your house and would take it away from you because

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that gave you a way out of their fiat
games. This word fiat is the word you hear in the Bitcoin circle just talking about this money
printer system. So essentially, Bitcoin is the digital version of gold. It's replicating all the
things that were great about gold that worked really well. It's scarce. There's a fixed supply

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on it. It's really hard to increase the amount of Bitcoin in supply. But once it gets to 21 million,
it's done. That's going to happen around 2140. There's going to be a hard stop there. So it's
very little inflation temporarily. And then it turns deflationary once we hit that ceiling.
And so, but already the fact that this is coming out now, it's such a perfect time.

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When you look at it on a long enough timeframe in the last, you know, 15 years or however long
it's been out exactly, it's just been going up. You know, and people get caught up in the headlines
of, oh, it's, it went up this week. It went down this week. It went up this week. It went down this
week. I just don't even care about that anymore. And most of the real Bitcoiners don't care about
that anymore. It's just noise. We're thinking about this on a long timeframe of this is a new

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form of money. This is a new global reserve currency. This is going to take, you know,
this is like a hundreds of year project, thousands of years. This is made to be money for
the digital future, which is like gold lasted for 5,000 years. This one could last for 10,000 years,
And it's fixing that problem of the government having complete power over the money.

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And I've had a lot of people on my podcast to talk about this, including some farmers and ranchers,
talking about how Bitcoin has helped these meat producers save their wealth somewhere where it can't be confiscated,
can't be taken away from, you know, if the bureaucracy comes down and raids their farm,
like we've been seeing happening more often, they can't take your Bitcoin.

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It's fully anonymous.
You can have a secret wallet and not tell anyone.
You can just have your own.
And there's examples of this all over the world as well.
When people are escaping these awful authoritarian regimes in these third world countries, they're learning about Bitcoin.
And for so many years, when these people would try to escape these terrible situations, they would get shaken down at the border.

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They'd get robbed of all their money.
They'd get everything stolen from them.
But with Bitcoin, if you can remember 12 words in your head, that's all you need to get access to that Bitcoin from anywhere.
So it really opens up these fascinating possibilities of sovereignty and self-sovereignty.
And it's a really fascinating rabbit hole to go down.
That's why I created the whybitcoinonly.com because that's I tell every carnivore that's the next rabbit hole to check out if you haven't.

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It effectively the long term vision, just like carnivores vision, is to heal people with a proper human diet.
The Bitcoin vision is to separate money from state.
The government should not have the ability to print infinite money for itself and steal
from all of you from inflation.
You know, carnivores, they're trying to buy a ribeye can see the inflation going on.
It's getting crazy out there.

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It's getting more and more expensive.
And it's not getting more expensive because ribeye is getting more valuable.
It's getting more expensive because your dollar is losing its purchasing power.
They're deflating it away by printing the money.
It's quite simple.
when the money supply goes up, it dilutes everyone else's fiat currency. So you're getting poorer

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every time you see these politicians on TV say, oh, we're printing a trillion for that. We're
printing a trillion for that. That's you getting poorer. They just don't say it that way. It's a
stealth tax. It's a way that they tax you without any legislation needed. It's a great way for them
to get infinite money to just print tanks and aircraft carriers for all the wars they want to do,

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pay all the lobbyists off, continue these corrupt three-letter agencies that are keeping us sick
and in bed with big food and big pharma. This whole game all comes back to the money. And when
you fix that money, you fix the whole problem of all these cascading effects of power and corruption
creating this clown world we find ourselves in today, including the diet guidelines that has

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been made possible by fiat money. Yeah. So, yeah, I've always, you know,
having read Soul and Milton Friedman and Friedrich Hayek and these sorts of people,
Walter Williams, these sorts of people. And also, you know, having a brain in my head and thinking,
I've long thought you just need to get rid of the Fed. And, you know, the ability to print money

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endlessly is insane.
And that sort of, there was a contract when the Fed was created with the government, they
said, okay, well, we can just print this money out and it's guaranteed and backed.
Basically it the federal government getting a loan from the Fed and they print all this money out as always permanently backed by the taxpayer And it just like you writing you know basically you getting loans out in someone else name and taking the money you know and it just a complete con game

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And I mean, this was done by, was it Woodrow, I believe it was Woodrow Wilson who did this.
And he was, he openly was saying that he had to dismantle the Constitution.
This was old and outdated. It was 150 years old. We just got to get rid of this old relic. And we need to have brilliant people running things the way we think, because obviously it's just certain specific people that should be able to have the know-how to run everybody else's life.

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When you think about it, you look at the original Greek democracies.
Obviously, this isn't a democracy's republic.
That's why we wanted to sort of keep it that way.
It was going to last longer.
They typically lasted around 100, 150 years.
That's about how long we lasted before Woodrow Wilson screwed things up with the Fed and then put in the 16th Amendment, which was the federal income tax.

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And that needs to be repealed tomorrow.
I mean, that needed to be repealed 100 years ago.
That should never have gone through.
You know, they were trying to make that argument.
It was just like, we have this big World War I sort of experience.
You know, we need to raise money really fast.
This is national defense and all this.
150 years, we had none of this.
You know, we did just fine.

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We fought in a lot of wars and had invasions and all this sort of stuff.
And yet, you know, we were still there.
But they say, okay, well, we want to do this so we can raise an army really quickly.
That was what it was purpose for, is raising an army for national defense and then be able to do that quickly.

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And it would only be like 2-3% of the income tax, only during war times, only to raise an army, only when we absolutely had to.
But the people at the time were either knew what they were doing, like Woodrow Wilson,
that wanted to sort of subvert the Constitution, or they were just not as intelligent as they

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needed to be.
Because the original founding fathers, when you read the Constitution, it is so tight
in its language.
You know, the government, you are not allowed to do this.
You can do this and nothing else.
It is very clear the powers of the federal government are few and enumerated, specifically enumerated. And the rights of an individual are basically unlimited.

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And so the problem with that is that at first they were talking about limiting it and say, okay, well, we'll put a cap on it and say, oh, 10%.
And that can't go higher than that.
If it's going to be something we only want to go at like 2%, 3%, only for wartime, only for national defense, you need to write that in.
This will only be used for national defense.

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This will only be a temporary measure.
This will never go past this amount.
and that's what you know all these other you know legal you know sort of uh you know documents were
how they were written and they didn't do that they just said yeah federal government gets to
to tax people's income and people say like whoa hold on we should put in a limit we should say
hey you can't go above like 10 percent that whoa what are you talking about 10 percent we don't

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want this going above three percent if you say 10 it's going to go up to 10 well if you don't say
10%, you don't say any other percent, you are tacitly saying 100% because there's the limit is,
there is no limit, right? You can even go above that. You know, I mean, there's some,
some places where they, like, if you have a lot of savings, they'll tax you more than your income

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because to tap into your savings as well. It's insane. And so don't get any ideas, anybody
in the government. And so immediately the federal income tax rate went up over 90% for the top
bracket, over 90%. The first income tax breaks in the early 20s, there's only a few years after

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there was a federal income tax, it was with Calvin Coolidge. And he dropped the top tax bracket down
to like 70 something percent, 72 percent, something like that. Massive growth in the economy because
it was just so stifled and just like, oh, thank God, you had some air to breathe. And you had the

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roaring 20s as a result of that. So that needs to go. The Fed obviously needs to go. Shouldn't
be able just to have a blank check to do whatever the hell you want. I mean, that was at least
contained to a partial extent because you still had the constitution at that point that was
It was somewhat unbroken where the federal government was not allowed to spend money for anything except the general welfare.

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And everyone knew what the hell that meant.
That meant national defense, something that would affect everybody.
And then FDR came in, threatened to pack the courts, scared one of the Supreme Court judges to flip sides.
And instead of FDR losing four to five decisions in the Supreme Court with all the illegal, unconstitutional things he was doing, now he started winning five to four because he flipped one of them.

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And because he scared them, even though the Congress, which was a Democratic Congress at the time, FDR was a Democrat, was not about it.
Back then, the three branches of government actually worked as they were supposed to, saying like keeping each other in check.
and congress said hey you're overstepping your bounds you're not going to do that
we're not going to let you and so he said hey i want some senate hearings for

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new justices and they're like we're not going to hear them we're not going to talk to them
piss off and and that was his own party doing that now parties run things as opposed to
um you know the constitution and things like that which is a bit unfortunate but um
but all of them love to print money every single one every politician out there running right now

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They don't want to talk about the spending that they're going to do.
They make these promises.
Oh, we're going to give you all these goodies.
We're going to give you these presents and gifts and all these things are going to be
so great.
They don't tell you that every single thing they hand down, the classic one is the stimulus
checks.
Those are the ones that everyone sees.
Like, oh, they're so nice to me giving me $2,000.
That's so nice.
They don't tell you that they permanently devalued your dollar for that.

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It's going to make the rest of your life harder and your kids harder.
And your grandkids' lives will be harder because of that decision.
they're just kicking the tab down the road to future generations the more they do this and
we see situations like venezuela which is way down the line i when i was traveling in south
america i got to meet venezuelan people that experienced that and they told me about this and

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it's it's absolutely horrible conditions down there the their currency is just trash it's all
over the roads it's you need a wheelbarrow of this to just get a towel at the store it's completely
useless that their currency has gone to zero and us americans think that we're we're so good and
powerful because i mean in a way we are we have the global reserve currency we have a lot more

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ability to kick the can but that doesn't mean that the intrinsic value of these pieces of paper is
still zero it's it's only backed by trust at this point nothing else and when people stop trusting
it that's when we actually will see a change and things will get really interesting very soon as
all these other countries who used to use the dollar for trade, like Russia, there's BRICS,

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there's all sorts of interesting things going on. It's a little bit out of scope here, but
long and short of it is countries are realizing we don't really want to use the dollar anymore.
You guys are just printing it infinitely. We're paying the price for that. El Salvador is an
example of one who just a few years ago said, you know what, they were dollarized and they just said,
we're out. We're going to go on a Bitcoin standard. So El Salvador is completely Bitcoin legal tender.

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If you go there, you can buy everything with Bitcoin.
They skipped all the extra steps and they just went to the next global reserve currency.
And things are getting super good down there.
I'm actually planning on going there at some point soon.
I'd love to visit.
But from the people who are actually trustworthy, who've been down there and experienced the
whole situation, things have gotten so much better.

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And it's no coincidence why.
It's because they have a sounder form of money.
And Naib Bukele came in and made a lot of changes.
That's a whole different topic.
but the crime rate went from one of the worst in the world to one of the best.
And Bitcoin played a part in that.
Yeah, that's pretty crazy.
And yeah, so that's the thing.

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There's already countries, like you're saying, that are already talking about not replacing
the US dollar as the world reserve currency.
And when that happens, it's big trouble.
And some people are arguing that maybe that's probably what people are trying to do on purpose
to destabilize the country and screw up the economy and screw up the US to tear it down

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and to break it down, break the constitution entirely, and then bring about some sort of
communist hellscape that reminiscent of the 20th century.
No, thank you.
But yeah, Thomas Sowell talks about that, how printing money is just a hidden tax.
because if you print 20% money, it doesn't just put more money in the system. It's just your bank

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account is now worth 20% less. And so it's very simple math. It's very simple math. Whatever
percentage money that they print and put out in the circulation, that takes away from the value
of your savings. And so it's a tax on your savings. And so it's very, very devious. Before
they did that, they had to only spend money on the general welfare. But then they said, well,

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if I give money to Ben, Ben's a good guy. He's going to spend that. He's going to give that to
Jennifer and they're going to buy something and that's going to go to somebody else. And he has
a family. He's going to buy food for his family. And that goes to a farmer. That farmer does this.
well, it just trickles out and that helps everybody. And so me giving, you know, $5 billion,

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you know, stimulus bill to my buddy Ben actually does help the general welfare because it just
helps everybody. Right. And, you know, and it's a con, you know, I mean, that was something that
we knew for 150 years never flew. And now they just they just do it. And that's when lobbyists
came in, that's when money entered politics, because now you have these massively expensive

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campaigns. You had all these people paying to get the ear of a politician or a president.
And now they're getting all these special interests that are in Washington and paying
to get federal money. And that only happens when you can give money to special interests. And that's

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actually strictly prohibited in the Constitution.
So why the hell don't we repeal that?
Why don't we take that to the Supreme Court and say,
yeah, I can't do that anymore.
I mean, that would just sort out a lot of problems right away.
But would also sort out a lot of problems
as you repeal the 16th Amendment.
And if they are not able to tax people,
their piggy bank goes away, you know, and, you know, same with the Federal Reserve.

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So I totally think they should go away.
You know, even the idea of like, well, we need to raise money for a war.
I don't actually know that that's a great idea either, because previously they had you had to vote on a war because you had war bonds.
They couldn't raise money to put an army together and build munitions and things like that.

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Like we went into World War I with our, the American army was less well armed than the American citizenry.
There was like basically the original AR-15 platform.
That was, that's, that's pre-World War I.
There were more people in America as private citizens that had those like semi-automatic rifles than the U.S. Army.

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You know, they're still using largely like bolt action rifles and things like that.
So people were like saying like, can I just bring my own gun?
Like it's better than this.
You know, and so that's how it's supposed to be.
It's like, oh, you don't want people having better guns in the military.
No, you do.
You do, because you don't want the military being able to oppress the citizenry.

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But in any case, the wars happened because people said, I'll give money, I'll buy war bonds.
And if that's something I believe in, I'm going to put my money where my mouth is.
and I'm going to put money towards that war effort.

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And if enough people didn't buy into it, it wasn't going to happen.
And so if people have a problem with some sort of invasion,
they don't have to yell about it and talk about it on CNN and bang the table.
They can just say, yeah, well, I'm not putting money towards that.
And then it just fizzles out and it goes away.
So it actually gives the people a lot more power and control

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over how our government runs.
And that's the whole point.
It's the government of the people,
for the people, by the people.
It's supposed to be we just live our lives
and we get to self-govern,
we get to self-rule,
and we get to decide
whether our nation goes into war,
whether things are being spent on stupid shit or not.
And now we've lost that.

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Now it's back to the old school oligarchs
and monarchs and rulers, right?
where they get to make the decisions for us,
as opposed to us getting to make the decisions for ourselves.
And I think that any way that you can get the hell away from that
is a good option.

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That's really interesting that El Salvador has gone to the Bitcoin standard.
I mean, even just going to the gold standard is a leg up.
There's a statistic I saw, who knows, maybe someone can fact check this.
But it's something I heard that like 100 years ago,
the average cost of a house in America was three bars of gold.

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And right now the average cost of a house in America is three bars of gold.
And so it's a save against inflation, that sort of thing.
But I heard Salvador doing a lot of good things.
I know that Dr. Jack Cruz was down there as well.
He's still there. He's posted up. That's his home now.
Yeah. And he comes back. He's a neurosurgeon in New Orleans.

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He just comes back for a week each month and just does like a trauma call or something like that.
And he's down there.
But apparently they had him, like the government had him help draft a letter where they're saying that we will not accept the WHO dictating medical directives to our country.

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Like we will not do that.
So piss off.
So I think that's pretty good.
And they're offering like visas to, you know, professionals, doctors, lawyers, philosophers.
Pretty interesting.
That one, you know, people that can, you know, are trained how to think as opposed to what
to think.
You know, that's probably an interesting one, too.

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But yeah, do you know a bit more about the El Salvador things?
That's actually sounds like they're making some some power moves there.
They definitely are.
And yeah, Jack Cruz is a great example.
He's down there and he's a huge bitcoiner.
And I don't remember his exact origin story for going there, but I'm quite sure how to do with Bitcoin.
They're really just at the same time as so many countries are having a brain drain, they are having an influx of these Bitcoin brains coming in to help rebuild this country.

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Another duo that's very well known to Bitcoin sphere is Max Kaiser and Stacey Herbert.
I'm not sure if Max Kaiser rings a bell for you, but he was on CNBC in like 2010 telling people to buy Bitcoin when it was like pennies.
So he's been in the game for a long time, just telling people that.
And they've posted up over there to help rebuild his country.
And it's working really well.

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And I can't wait to go check it out myself.
And they're not the only one that's on track.
There's a bunch of other ones that are coming out.
But as you'd expect, it's the smaller countries with less to lose.
And the big question right now is what the heck is the U.S. going to do?
Because we are in the biggest position of power right now.
We have the most to lose from that because we are the current global reserve currency lord.

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We own the money of the world, basically.
And everyone has a target on our back because they're tired of playing our games.
And so it'll be very interesting to see what happens.
So I was at the Bitcoin conference this year in July.
That where I got to meet Sean Baker and Ken Berry and some other carnivores Slowly carnivores are trickling into Bitcoin We reeling them in They coming in And Donald Trump was there He did a speech

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I went to it.
It was boring as fuck, but it was interesting
because the candidates are starting to talk about this.
And it's part of the conversation.
The Overton window is shifting.
And Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was also there.
He actually knows what he's talking about,
which is one of the only people
that actually has done his research on it.
So that's quite interesting.
now that him and Trump are connected

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and don't even want to get into politics there.
But all I'm going to say is, I mean,
Bitcoin doesn't care who you are,
what your politics are.
It's going to keep churning along and keep going up.
That's what it does.
It's programmed to increase in value over time
because it's a simple supply and demand equation.
The demand is going to continue going up
as people do their research

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and learn that every single fiat currency
by every government on earth
is programmed to go down in value.
Unless you think that the government is all of a sudden going to be responsible and stop spending.
We're at about $36 trillion of debt right now.
I'm not feeling too confident about that.
And so I'm going to get on the lifeboat.
Bitcoin is the lifeboat to this situation where you can have a form of money that's programmed differently.

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It's completely outside of the system, and it doesn't need anyone's permission.
It's built to withstand all of these attacks.
And we are already well into the phase where if governments try to attack it and take it down or ban it, as China, for example, I believe at least 12 different times they've tried to ban Bitcoin mining in China.

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But every single time it just doesn't work because it's a giant whack-a-mole game of trying to stop the people in their country.
They just leave the country and go do it somewhere else and they lose all that money and inflow.
So they go, OK, let's turn the ban off and they all come back.
The baby's out of the cradle at this point.
It's too far gone for any of these governments to stop, even if they wanted to.

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So it's smarter for them to play along and jump on board.
And it'll be very interesting to see what the U.S. does, again, because we have the infinite money printer.
We could literally print money to buy Bitcoin, and that would just cause all kinds of chaos.
I mean, just don't have zero Bitcoin, guys.
That's all I'm going to say.

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You don't want to have zero when things start hitting the fan because we're getting to a point where things are getting real hairy.
We just had a halving recently.
I'm not sure if you understand how the halving works, but it's basically a programmed part of Bitcoin where every four years, the rate at which new Bitcoin is mined gets cut in half.

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So it's like an asymptote going up to that 21 million level.
And once it gets there, no more Bitcoin is mined.
But until then, like slowly increasing supply, very slowly.
But it's essentially getting squeezed.
So it's just a huge spring right now.
And this is why I personally am interested in far more things than just the price.

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I literally never look at the price.
I don't care.
I'm buying a little bit every single month, just stacking sats, as we say, just dollar
cost averaging, just making sure that I'm getting that accumulation as big as possible
for when these things start happening and when the dominoes start falling.
And things are just going to naturally happen.
And it's a very safe bet to be holding the future and not the present.

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Because the present is fiat monopoly money that is going to continue going down.
You're going to keep getting poorer.
The work you're doing is going to buy less and less.
Everyone's starting to realize this.
And this is where that demand part of the supply and demand comes in,
is that more and more people are realizing this doesn't make any sense that what why is my rent
getting more expensive why is it getting more expensive to buy food i thought this was the

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richest country in the history of the world i thought that you know as these as our efficiency
gets better as a race as we have all these fancy technology is getting better and our communication
is getting better and the supply chains are more efficient how come things aren't getting cheaper
Wouldn't they get cheaper?
They're supposed to back when we used gold
because the money was not getting debased

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even faster than human productivity gains.
Pretty much the only thing that's getting cheaper right now
that's able to outpace inflation is technology,
which is why we go to the store
and you see the TVs are getting cheaper and cheaper.
That's because technology is getting better so fast.
It's actually beating inflation,
but very few things are able to do that.
So it's just going to be more and more things

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getting more and more expensive. And this all comes down to, well, it brings us back to just
mental health, which is something we talk about a lot in the carnivore world when people are
feeling helpless because the work that they're doing in their lives isn't enough to feed
themselves or their families, then they're just put in a state of despair. And this is what fiat

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money does to a population is when the government is able to steal from people at will, it's going
to continue doing that. It's going to be a magnet for the sociopaths who just want more and more
power and will play into that corrupt game. And it's not going to stop. And you talked about wars
a little bit there. Unfortunately, this is looking like it's going to be an increasingly relevant

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topic as, you know, turning on the news and looking what's going on all over the world right
now. We got Ukraine and Russia, we got Taiwan and China and who else knows what could be on the
horizon, a really simple analogy to look at how war works on different money standards.
Back when we were on the gold standard just think about like the feudal days when you have two kingdoms with a big pot of gold on each side they have an army and they want to fight each other one of them wants to take over the other one so they the king has this big pot of gold to pay their soldiers with to go fight

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and the two sides basically just keep going as long as they have money left because they need
to pay their soldiers as soon as they ran out of gold the soldiers wouldn't get paid anymore they
said fuck i'm going home the war is over and it's finished it stops and what we have now is infinite
money printing war where they never stop the the goal is to continue perpetuating these wars as

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long as possible because that's that's sweet dollar bills for the military industrial complex
that's what they want they want they continue showering money on both sides of the war so they
can profit off of all the death on both sides and these are just truly sick people you know it's
It's a really crazy situation. It's all enabled by fiat money, the ability to print infinite money. And this is why Bitcoin plays a huge part in this conversation. And it's understandable why outsiders think that when we talk about Bitcoin stops war, that's too hyperbolic. That's crazy. It doesn't make sense. It's just a goofy internet coin. It's just like this goofy toy.

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but no this is a huge huge deal this is a new form of money being introduced on the market which is
truly free it cannot be confiscated it has a hard supply cap and it's fully transparent in every
single 10 minutes there's a new block so everyone can go audit it the federal reserve has never been
audited there's no transparency whatsoever but on bitcoin anyone can go look at the entire ledger

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so it's just a total game changer in so many ways well that's awesome yeah well and then even just
just just war bonds you know stop wars you know because it's just like all right well that's not
happening and um then obviously when things are like important like you're getting invaded people
are gonna people are gonna pony up you know and um and so yeah that's really important and and
you even if we don't repeal the 16th amendment put the cap in there you know put that 10 percent

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that's it cap on there and say like nothing more than this like why do we not have you know uh
you know, an amendment on that amendment and get like, you know, get enough votes together,
enough states together to say like, no, this is, you've been reckless with this. You've got to be
put in timeout and just, you know, do that the whole 10% maximum sort of tax rate. I was going

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to say, because we are unfortunately running out a bit, a bit out of time, but I just wanted to,
I don't know if we're going to be able to get to everything else, but just one real quick question, hopefully, is a concern that some people have that I've had, which is like when you buy Bitcoin, you say you can't track it.
But some things like, you know, I think Coinbase is now having to report to Australia or they're not allowed to take their money out or those sort of things are getting it reported to the tax office and things like that.

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But, you know, that sort of raises the question, you have your Bitcoin on these different platforms and apps.
How do you get it out?
How do you then turn that into money?
If you're in El Salvador, you can go to McDonald's.
But what about if you're not?
How do you get your cash out when you need it and to spend money?
Great question.

(01:00:52):
So those are the exchanges that you're talking about.
The Coinbase, there's Coinbase, there's Cracking, there's Cash App.
There's lots of different options where you can go.
and it's like a marketplace for buying Bitcoin.
And oh, by the way, don't even touch crypto.
Crypto is a waste of time.
Go to whybitcoinonly.com to learn more on that.
But essentially, that's just a place
where you get the Bitcoin,

(01:01:12):
but you want to move it off of there quickly
because that is a choke point
that the government can screw with.
That's a central point of failure, that exchange.
So every one of these exchanges has a functionality
where you can send that Bitcoin
that you bought in the exchange to an external wallet.
and you can get blue wallet on your phone.
You can get moon wallet, Zeus wallet.

(01:01:32):
There's lots of options
and it's really easy Google search.
There's plenty of them out there.
Most Bitcoiners that are veterans
really recommend a cold storage wallet
that's completely offline.
Like cold card is one, for example,
just to throw it out there.
And that way it's completely off the exchange
and you're good to go.
It's off the internet.
You want to be off the internet as soon as possible

(01:01:54):
so it can't be taken away.
Does that answer your question?
Yeah.
And then when you have that there, let's say like, oh, something happened, shit hit the
fan.
I need to buy something.
How do you get that money out again and turn it into a fiat currency and then use it to
exchange?
So if you did need to switch it to fiat, this is something I've never done because I'm holding

(01:02:16):
my Bitcoin until the grave.
But you would just go back to the exchange or any exchange.
It wouldn't even have to be the same one.
It would just be something you'd set up your account with.
You would send that Bitcoin back there and do the exchange for fiat.
Like I said, I'm not expecting to ever do that.
I'm using that as my savings account.
I'm keeping some fiat on the side for situations where I do need it still in fiat world to pay rent and taxes and all that stuff.

(01:02:41):
But Bitcoin is my savings account.
That's not being touched.
I'm locking that up for the long term.
Okay. And so the idea is that you think that long-term you're going to be able to use Bitcoin as
currently, like you'll be able to have a card and buy and sell things with Bitcoin and have
that directly go to your wallet Is that right Yeah So the long vision is I mean if things go to shit today and everything blows up I just going to fly down to El Salvador and that going to be the spot because you can do everything with Bitcoin there All you need is your phone and just any of the wallet apps

(01:03:14):
and you can just scan a QR code to buy things and it takes seconds. And that's, there's a
lightning network, which is a whole different can where I probably don't have time for that,
but this is for like the quick payments that you're going to be using to buy your steak and
buy your burger. But on-chain Bitcoin is the kind that you want to hold for the long term.

(01:03:35):
I don't mean to throw any extra confusion in there, but one extra thing to add is that there's
going to be more and more countries going on to the Bitcoin standard. We are still early to this,
so right now it's pretty slim pickings, but you can even find people in your communities in any
country. And when I was in Austin, Texas, for example, tons of places accepting Bitcoin. They
can just have it on the side. There's people at farmer's market, they're starting to have Bitcoin

(01:03:58):
accepted here signs. And it's in a decentralized grassroots way, more and more small business
owners and entrepreneurs are starting to accept it. So you don't have to wait for the government
to give it the okay. That's, I mean, the point of Bitcoin is that you don't give a fuck what they
say. You can just pay peer to peer with people that have a Bitcoin wallet. That's all I got to
do. There's zero third parties involved. Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah. And I guess that's, that is

(01:04:22):
the point you were making was that this is, at the moment anyway, this is sort of an investment
sort of thing against hedging against inflation and this sort of nonsense that's going on. It is
happening. I mean, think about it. 20 years ago, the national debt in America was the largest it's
ever been. It was $4 trillion. And now it's $36 trillion. I mean, it is just-

(01:04:44):
By the time we get this podcast out, it'll be another few trillion. I guarantee it. It's just,
It's off the rails.
Yeah.
And so, yeah, it's uncontrolled.
And I think that's on purpose.
I mean, people have made that point that there are people trying to – you have to destroy the currency and devalue it and just blow out the debt of the country to the point that it's not salvageable.

(01:05:08):
You can't come back from it.
And that will tank the country and then they'll be able to remake it in their own ghoulish image.
But who knows?
But either way, it's bad. It doesn't matter why they're doing it. They're doing it. And it's absolutely ravaging the economy and people's lives. And it's going to have huge repercussions as a result. So it's not a bad idea to hedge your bets or even just buy gold. Like you said, that's a similar sort of idea. And gold can be taken from you. Certainly saw that in Nazi Germany. They're doing that en masse. Bitcoin is a bit more hidden.

(01:05:46):
same sort of concept. But if you're not comfortable with Bitcoin, maybe be comfortable
with gold or something like that. Watch your feelings. Get your teeth pulled. I've seen
that happen. But great. Well, Ben, thank you so much for coming on. It's been a pleasure.
Very interesting. It is a topic that I am interested in. I haven't sort of pulled the

(01:06:09):
trigger on it myself, but it's something that I think I probably will. I have a bit,
but nothing to speak of anyway.
And I don't know all the tricks
on hiding it off of Coinbase
and all that sort of stuff.
So that's something I'll need to look into as well.
The man to talk to, Dr. Chafee,
I'm not letting you turn this off
without me giving you the shill.
Saif Adina Moose,

(01:06:30):
author of The Bitcoin Standard.
I've been lobbying for a while on Twitter.
I know you're not super active over there,
but I've been tagging you two for like a year now.
This would be an incredible podcast.
You two would compliment each other so well.
He's extremely smart dude,
really into Austrian economics. And that book he wrote, The Bitcoin Standard, is like the big fat
surprise of the Bitcoin world. This is like the ultimate book to read. So anyone out there looking

(01:06:54):
to learn more about this, go straight to The Bitcoin Standard, read that. It will change your
life. I promise you. I'd be super interested. Have you ever seen Thomas Sowell talk about Bitcoin at
all? I've never heard him say anything. I haven't. You know, that's a good question. I haven't
actually looked that up. I usually look into him when I'm just researching the history. So
So I think he would love it if he's out there talking about it.

(01:07:16):
I don't know.
I'd have to look into it.
That'd be interesting.
Well, send me that guy's info, maybe some of the videos he has, and I'll check him out
and maybe we can do something.
I will.
He's a carnivore.
You guys will get along very well.
Awesome.
Yeah.
Already speaking my language.
So cool.
Ben, thank you so much for coming on.
It's been an absolute pleasure.
So the website is whycarnivore.com.

(01:07:38):
and can you tell us
your other social media, podcasts
other sorts of places
if people can find you
yeah so my name
benworman.com
I have everything there
I have my podcast there
it's just the Ben Werman podcast
whycarnivore.com
is my big carnivore website
whybitcoinonly.com
is the bitcoin version
I have a couple more

(01:07:59):
I'll just shock it out here
we didn't get to talk about Nostra today
we're going to save that for next time
studynostra.com
that's study
n-o-s-t-r.com
People check that out.
It's decentralized social media.
Super cool.
And yeah, we've got so much to talk about next time.
We'll reconnect when Bitcoin hits 100K.
How about that?
Awesome.
Sounds good, man.

(01:08:20):
Great chat with you, sir.
Have a good one.
Too, man.
Thank you, everyone, for watching.
Really appreciate it.
Let me know your thoughts on Bitcoin and Carnivore and how these worlds are colliding
and what your thoughts are as well about everything we talked about.
sort of branch out into economics and a bit of politics as well, which is not par for the course.
But hopefully people found that interesting. Let me know what you thought. And we'll see you next time.

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