This special program equips parishioners to become better evangelists

On this episode, we learn about the Certificate in Catholic Evangelization and Leadership (CCE) -- a unique program, taught over three years, that seeks to transform Catholics into effective evangelists and spiritual leaders, equipping them to bring the Good News of Jesus Christ to their homes, parishes, and local communities. 

The certificate is offered by the Office of Evangelization of the Diocese of Paterson (St. Paul Inside the Walls), in collaboration with Immaculate Conception Seminary School of Theology Seton Hall University.

Hosts:

• Co-hosting with Bishop Kevin Sweeney is Vicar for Evangelization Father Paul Manning of the Diocese of Paterson, N.J.

Guests:

•  Dianne Traflet, J.D., S.T.D., associate dean for Graduate Studies and Administration and assistant professor of Pastoral Theology at Immaculate Conception Seminary School of Theology Seton Hall University.
• Eniola Honsberger, director of the Office of Family Life of the Diocese of Paterson, N.J.
• Pat Dillon, parishioner and student in the program
• Annamaria Garcia, office manager and minister to Young Adults (ages 23-39) for the Diocese of Paterson, N.J.

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Certificate in Catholic Evangelization and Leadership (CCE)

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Produced by Jai Agnish, Father Paul Manning, and Bishop Kevin Sweeney for the Diocese of Paterson. Engineered by Joseph Ginexi. Edited and theme song by Jai Agnish. Illustrations by Dennis Dalelio.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_06 (00:08):
Welcome to Beyond the Beacon with Bishop Kevin
Sweeney, a podcast of theDiocese of Patterson.
On Beyond the Beacon, we haveconversations about living lives
of faith, hope, and love,embodying our Catholic faith in
the way that we live and love.
We're glad that you can join us.
My name is Father Paul Manning.

(00:28):
I'm a guest host on Beyond theBeacon today, and I'm sitting
here with Bishop Kevin Sweeney,our Bishop of Patterson.
How are you doing?

SPEAKER_02 (00:36):
I'm good, Father Paul.
Thank you for for being in Jay'sseat somewhat in terms of beyond
the beacon.
We're here at the St.
Paul's uh studio, which is uhhappy to be back uh at our
evangelization center here inSt.
Paul's Inside the Walls.
Yeah and um uh happy to have ourguests with us today.
So and and again, thanks forfilling in for Jay.
And uh you have you'll be partof this conversation because uh

(01:00):
what we'll be discussing todayis something you've been
involved with for many, manyyears.

SPEAKER_06 (01:04):
Yeah.
Before we uh launch into our ourscheduled topic, is there
anything big happening that youthink we ought to know about?
Anything on the horizon oranything that you want to do.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15):
I'm not sure when this will be aired.
We're taping on April 28th, anduh this coming uh Saturday we'll
have our Guardian masks, uh,which is a combination of what
was the blue mask for policeofficers and red mask for
firefighters, and uh we'reincluding, I think, all first
responders, and so red, white,and blue.
There we go.
Right, that's right.

(01:35):
And uh speaking maybe of thewhite part, uh, I was at um St.
Joseph's uh hospital medicalcenter in Patterson um yesterday
for Memorial Mass for SisterJean, Frances Brady.
Your other co-host um on Coffeewith Kopke uh was a great help
to me.
Sister Jean was, I think she ranSt.
Joseph's Hospital for like 40years.

(01:55):
And Monsignor Kopke shared howthere were three sisters that um
I went to look in his book, uhLiving Stones.
Yeah, but uh sister uh SisterJane Frances, who um passed away
at the end of January.
Um she was still working in thelate 80s when he was writing the
book.
So uh I think he's talked aboutnot liking to write about people
who are still alive.

(02:17):
He can get in trouble.
He wrote about it too, but whatan incredible I face.
She also worked with Eva'sVillage and has um in the court
system with um children that hadto be taken out of home and
Morris and Sussex County.
Um and you know to see thatthank God St.
Joseph's is still there andPatterson serving the
underserved and the poor and umjust a blessing for the city and

(02:39):
um Sister Charity stillinvolved, and um the new
president um uh Dustin Riccio isdoing a great job, and they have
their uh campus in Wayne now aswell.
Um, but um that was a a blessingto be there for that.

SPEAKER_06 (02:51):
Yeah, one of the one of the uh giants of the women
religious who have served St.
Joseph's yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_02 (02:58):
Um so you're gonna lead us in a prayer, thank you.
Sure.
Yeah, please.

SPEAKER_06 (03:02):
In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the
Holy Spirit.
Amen.
Lord, during this Easter season,we give you thanks for the gift
of Jesus, your son, for hisresurrection, for the new life
he brings, for the season ofhope, uh for a lifetime of hope
that he inaugurates with hisresurrection.

(03:22):
We ask you to help us to be opento his coming spirit so that we
may continue to serve in hisname, to build your kingdom, uh,
to do his will and to love oneanother, and most especially to
form missionary disciples afterhis own heart.
And we make this prayer throughChrist our Lord.

(03:42):
Amen.
In the name of the Father and ofthe Son and of the Holy Spirit.
Amen.
So, Bishop Kevin, you are theone I think who suggested this
podcast.

SPEAKER_02 (03:50):
Uh uh So as Bishop, I'm privileged to serve on the
as on the Board of Regents forSeton Hall and more recently on
the um Board of Overseers, Iguess, for the seminary uh uh
McLean Conception Seminary atSeton Hall and in the
Archdiocese of Newark, butyou're on the faculty, and uh
many of our priests, uh FatherPavel Tomchek is uh on the

(04:11):
faculty, and um uh so thank Godthe seminary faculty and those
who um serve uh in formation umof our young men discerning and
being preparing for priestlyordination.
Um that's such an importantservice in the church, but also
um uh here at St.
Paul's and in conjunction withSeton Hall, uh the formation

(04:34):
that happens uh for uh those wholive um any vocation, single
life, married life, uhpriesthood or consecrated
religious life, and especiallyformation for our lay leaders uh
in the spirit of synodality andeven Pope Leon these days.
I think it is Wednesdayaudiences uh reminding us of
some of the documents of theSecond Vatican Council and uh

(04:54):
the reminder of that uh um callfrom baptism that that vocation
that we all share.
So uh uh Diane at uh um uh thatrecent meeting you talked about
conversation I think with Eddie,Eddie about about uh a potential
podcast.
Uh and I said, Oh, wouldn't andlearning as we learn about this
certificate program uh that umuh you each have been involved

(05:19):
in, uh, I said that's somethingthat we need to uh talk about,
right?
So uh and promote.
So so grateful that you could beavailable.

SPEAKER_06 (05:27):
So Dr.
Diane Trafflet is well known toSt.
Paul Inside the Walls.
She's the Associate Dean for theSchool of Theology at Immaculate
Conception Seminary at SetonHall University.
I think I got that right.
Yeah, and uh Annie Hansberger isour director of the Office of
Family Life here at the Diocese,but we're gonna talk today about

(05:49):
the certificate in Catholicevangelization.
Annie is a graduate quite sometime ago now, sorry, uh of the
CCE.
And Dr.
Traffitt and I uh were kind ofat the ground floor.
Yes.

SPEAKER_05 (06:05):
Yes.

SPEAKER_06 (06:06):
So I was trying to remember whose idea this was.
Well, well, let me just say itbegan as a a non-credit,
non-academic certificate underMonsignor Silva, and when I got
here, the first cohort had gonethrough the first year.
They had two more years to go,and in those two years, somehow

(06:29):
we s came into cooperation.
Do you I can't remember.

SPEAKER_00 (06:33):
Those were wonderful meetings.
Well, first, thank you so muchfor this invitation.
Um, but our conversations duringthat time period were so
uplifting, and I just felt thiscreative energy and and
excitement about what could be.
And and sure enough, you know,Annie was one of my students,
and what an inspiration thatwas.
But you started off asnon-credit uh through St.

(06:55):
Paul Inside the Walls, andinterestingly enough, uh Seton
Hall was considering also doinga Catholic evangelization
program.

SPEAKER_05 (07:02):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (07:03):
So we talked to the Diocese of Patterson and they
said, well, let's see how thisworks first, and then after the
first year, let's come togetheragain and see if we could
collaborate.
So uh and in the meantime, let'ssee if we could um borrow some
of your professors.
So I was privileged to teach inthat first cohort, um, and there

(07:23):
were a lot of people there, butthey did not want to do it, most
of them didn't want to do it forcredit.

SPEAKER_01 (07:29):
Right.
Do we know what year that was?

SPEAKER_06 (07:30):
So it would have been 2011 would have been the
start of the first cohort, andthat went to 2014.
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (07:38):
And for how long have you been on the faculty of
at Signal?

SPEAKER_00 (07:42):
26 years.
Wow.
Yeah, and two months.
Over over a quarter of acentury.
So I teach spirituality, andthat's been again something
really beautiful that we weretalking about as we were
redesigning the program.
And we said, you know, we reallyshould start with prayer,
spirituality, spiritualtheology, and then eventually

(08:05):
move into courses onevangelization.
Some people I think were veryantsy to let's get started with
the colours.
Yeah, yeah, the nuts and boltsof the nuts and bolts of
evangelization.
And instead, you know what,we're gonna start with prayer.
You have to be people of prayerfirst before you can try to
evangelize, and then go into theBible.
So biblical call narratives camenext.

(08:26):
So we tried this, you know, howhow would this work and how
would one class build upon thenext until you get to the end on
really practical evangelization?
Yeah.
And it's working.
And and the students are justabsolutely wonderful.

SPEAKER_06 (08:41):
Well, we're gonna have some students in the in the
next segment, and I don't wantto steal anybody's thunder, but
uh Anna Maria said to us, We'reare the courses we have now the
same courses?
And I think the program wasdesigned so effectively that
we've never had to change thethe actual six courses.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (09:00):
Yeah.
I still talk about the coursestill this day.
I was um reminiscing with somepeople who are interested in
starting the certificate fornext year, and I said the first
class, it was so instrumental inthe foundation of the whole
experience.
The it was almost like going onretreat, right?

(09:22):
So for that to be an in anacademic setting and for you to
feel like I'm growing as aperson, it I mean, it was just
so beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 (09:31):
Anyway, you already were working for the diocese
when you started the cohort.

SPEAKER_03 (09:34):
I was maybe just a year in.
So I first started working forthe diocese in 2013, and I
believe the cohort started it in2014, and I was like, I don't
think I'm ready just yet.
And then a year had gone by, andit was this right before the
summer was about to start, and Ijust like all of a sudden it hit

(09:56):
me.
I'm like, you need to be doingthis.
And so I remember I think Icalled up maybe it was maybe you
at the I I forget, but I wasjust like, is it too like it
started and I don't think I canwait two more years.
I'm like on fire now, I'm ready.
And they was like, guess what?
They're starting a summercohort.

SPEAKER_06 (10:15):
Because we did have some people that wanted to jump
on board.

SPEAKER_03 (10:18):
So I just knew it was meant to be.
I was like, I asked and ithappened.

SPEAKER_06 (10:23):
And so in our three-year program, people will
get 18 credits toward a master'sdegree, which Annie did, but
then she went ahead and got thethe other 18 to have her
master's in the certificate inCatholic evangelization, right?

SPEAKER_02 (10:38):
Correct.
So uh that word evangelization,you know, some of us uh are
using it all and hear it all thetime.
But that's true.
I wonder if there's somelisteners or others that, yeah,
they hear the word hopefully.
Um uh but just to think of um asyou were talking, Dr.
Trufflet, I was just thinking uhum in the seminary, I'm sure we

(10:58):
heard it.
Um uh I remember as uh recentlya newly ordained priest, real
well, three years in.
Uh I was ordained in 97, so in2000, there was um preparing for
the that jubilee and the and amillennium, the Diocese of
Brooklyn did an evangelizationprogram, disciples of Mission,
that would uh three and and uhthe Holy Father, Pope John Paul
II at the time, uh had thosethree years on the Father and

(11:20):
the Son and the Holy Spirit.
I think that but um then Iremember probably hearing about
it at the time, but you know, inI think it was 1992 when Pope
John Paul II went to theDominican Republic to uh
remember 500 years ofChristianity coming to the
so-called new world of theAmericas.
Uh and um and he talked aboutthe new evangelization, right?

(11:41):
And um new methods, new energy.
And certainly Bishop Saratelli,when Bishop DiMarzio came to
Brooklyn in 2004, around thesame time Bishop Saratelli,
Bishop DiMarzio talked about hispriorities being vocations and
evangelization or the newevangelization.
Um so um uh again, uh differentCatholics uh are familiar with
that word, some more so thanothers, but um, it's certainly

(12:03):
been a priority here in ourdiocese.
Um certainly Bishop Saratellimade the new evangelization that
that led to the creation of thisevangelization center.
And I'm thinking um, yes, wehave a center.
Okay, now what are we gonna do,right?
And it sounds like um uh and andwe want to equip our um uh
parishioners and and parishleaders and others uh to uh uh

(12:26):
understand how we evangelize,right?
So uh maybe to talk a little bitabout um how the certificate
program specifically looks toequip or inspire um uh students
to uh be part of theevangelizing mission of the
church, right?

SPEAKER_00 (12:45):
Um I would just say one thing that I I I want to
make uh I want to emphasize.
Uh one of the major things thatwe need to learn about
evangelization is that we're notLone Rangers.
Right, right.
And so sometimes we team taughtclasses, sometimes um we
encouraged friendships.
And each class, because they gothrough as cohorts, each class

(13:08):
was uh enabled a friendship togrow or multiple friendships to
grow.
People at the end of three yearsare crying because they're
they're missed they're afraidthey're gonna miss their
friends.
But I thought that actually isprecisely what evangelization is
about.
How do you work well withothers?
How do you grow in relationship?
You're not Lone Rangers.

(13:30):
So that's like foundational too.

SPEAKER_02 (13:32):
Easter time, I love that we read throughout almost
the 50 days uh from the Acts ofthe Apostles, and I love the
phrase in the Acts of theApostles describing the church
as the community of believers,right?
Right.
So Jesus called us intocommunity, and and that's they
started evangelizing from then,right?
From Pentecost.
But how did he do it?
By building communities, right?
By building friendships andrelationships, and it sounds
like that's been part of umthis.

SPEAKER_00 (13:53):
And and really deliberately so, yeah, yeah,
absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 (13:57):
How was that how was it for you when you think back
to you already described aboutthe relationships, right?
And some and and and thememories that you have.

SPEAKER_03 (14:05):
Absolutely.
I honestly was like being in afamily, you know, it's three
years every once a week, andeveryone was excited to be
there, right?
We were all in the same now, itwas a mixed bag.
That like I'm gonna be real.
Everyone was coming fromdifferent places and different

(14:26):
experiences, but the fact thatwe were all gathering under this
one mission of what does it meanto evangelize?
What does it mean?
You know, I think everyone alsocame in with like what their own
notions of what that was, and soto be able to understand that,
you know, whether you're workingat in the church, whether you're

(14:47):
working in business, whetheryou're just trying to talk to
your kids, yes, that you know,we're all it it takes we're all
doing the same work to you knowto appeal to those.

SPEAKER_02 (15:00):
And I think we've seen uh some numbers uh you
think of the focus onevangelization and hearing now
uh at at the Easter Vigil duringthe Easter season the large the
increase in uh in in adultsentering the church, right?
I mean that's a result ofevangelization, right?
Because uh so um uh and uh nowthere's a um a cohort um just

(15:22):
about to finish and uh createsome opportunities for those who
are looking who might hear thisand be interested, right?

SPEAKER_06 (15:29):
Correct.
So any, in addition to directingour office of family life, is
also also coordinates thecertificate program for St.
Paul Inside the Walls.
So Annie, the window is open,right?

SPEAKER_03 (15:40):
The window is open and we are ready.

SPEAKER_00 (15:43):
So um Yeah, we are getting uh inquiries already,
and we're just beginning toadvertise.
So uh the word is out there.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (15:52):
And a potential student or someone who might
sign up to or is I'm sure theycould get information online at
the website.
And um, but uh uh anybody, um uhuh uh parents, uh ministers, uh
uh volunteers in parishes, uhyoung adults for pushing some of
our young adults.

SPEAKER_00 (16:13):
All of the above.
Yes.
And then it's a matter of do youwant to do it for credit or not,
because some people in classdecide, no, uh, you know, the
four credit option isn't forthem.
Um but if it's four credit, theyalso have to have an interview
with me.
And uh they have to have a lotof people.

SPEAKER_06 (16:28):
I call it a conversation.
I mean it's kind of a niceconversation, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, I don't want people tobe uh scared of the interview.
That's true, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (16:38):
Well it's it's it's really beautiful because no
matter where you're at, you youwill find a place.
And so I had the opportunity totalk with some of the gradu uh
soon-to-be graduates, and um alot of them were, you know, I
haven't been in school in 30years, I haven't been in an
academic setting in so long, Iwas nervous, but yet they found

(17:02):
this.

SPEAKER_02 (17:03):
How many are in this cohort that is graduating?

SPEAKER_03 (17:05):
Great question.
Twelve.
Yeah, exactly.
So I know you'll have uh two ofthem on um in the next um
segment.

SPEAKER_02 (17:17):
Segment.

SPEAKER_03 (17:18):
So they'll be able to give you some more insight
into their experience.

SPEAKER_02 (17:20):
And I believe it's not only theoretical, it's
practical, right?
Because uh there's anencouragement to have an idea of
when you're especially as you'removing towards completion, how
is this going to be put intopractice in some sort of
ministry, I would guess, right?

SPEAKER_06 (17:33):
Well, in in the academic circles, they call the
last course an integrationseminar.
We call it practicingevangelization.
And as a part of that course,each of the members of the
cohort needs to come up with aan evangelization project that
they develop and then present.
And it could be something at thelocal level, something at the

(17:55):
parish, something at thediocese, something uh in the
broader world.
Do you remember what yourproject was?

SPEAKER_03 (18:41):
It was on marriage preparation.
Oh, and I'm doing it.
I'm running it.

SPEAKER_05 (18:50):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (18:50):
I'm glad that you mentioned that the interview
isn't scary.
Because some people meet with meand then they said, Was that so
when we do the interview?
I was like, that was theinterview.
And what I find with thesemeetings is I am so inspired by
people saying, I want to spreadthe good news.
Uh I want to be part of thegrowth of the church and I want
as I grow in my own faith.

(19:11):
And that's so so powerful to methat that that they want to do
that.
And then with regard to gettinguh credit for this, you're
right.
You can go for a master's intheology afterwards, a master's
in pastoral ministry, and about90% of our graduates, our
certificate students, go on fortheir master's degree.

SPEAKER_06 (19:27):
Yeah.
And we have a number of ouryoung adults who uh because of
their involvement in our youngadult ministry decided to go for
the certificate.
I I think of your class, like uhso many of the the members of
your class ended up uh two ofthem are are working at the
seminary, right?

SPEAKER_00 (19:47):
Liz.
Yeah, Liz Vacchiano.

SPEAKER_06 (19:49):
Uh and um she's from Sussex County, young.

SPEAKER_00 (19:57):
Oh, Alyssa.
Yeah, Alyssa.
Alyssa, yes, we have two twopeople and uh and absolutely
committed to their faith, lovetheir faith.
I remember them in class.
I think you wouldn't be nice towork with them too.
And also you.
Yeah, yeah.
And I have to say coming ontothis campus is just naturally
uplifting.
Yeah.

(20:17):
Um having the chapel downstairsthat that the students do make
use of.
Sometimes there's mass,sometimes they just come earlier
to pray, uh, sometimes they stopby on their way out after mass,
after class.
It's just uh it's just such aspot here.

SPEAKER_06 (20:34):
That was sorry, that was Bishop uh Saratelli's
conviction that beautyevangelizes as surely as truth
and goodness, and so we neededto create the beautiful space.

SPEAKER_02 (20:45):
Yes, yes, yes.
And uh just as um the thestudents are encouraged to be in
relationship and have thosefriendships, um uh institutions
uh or uh part of the church'sstructure that um uh we can work
together the the the therelationship between uh both uh
the center here and our staffand um the University of Seton

(21:08):
Hall and the seminary um isreally I can see uh such a great
blessing to see how um there'sso much uh interchange and and
and shared resources and uh andand and collaboration that I
think is a real blessing.

SPEAKER_00 (21:22):
Yeah, the collaboration has been uh a real
blessing and inspiration and andmore than a collaboration, a
real friendship.

SPEAKER_06 (21:29):
Yeah, for sure.
I I think for me, the creationof this program was probably one
of the most uh satisfying uhthings that uh I've been
involved in here.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (21:43):
And uh just to finish on that, maybe uh uh so
uh it was started underMonsignor Silva, and you
arrived, uh it was one year intothe cohort, and you were saying
it was non-credit, uh, andthat's when And it was really it
was really focused on parishleaders, it it was um probably
not as academic in in its focus.

SPEAKER_06 (22:05):
And I think I don't remember who initiated the
conversation, if if it was theseminary was it the seminary?
And it was you and Father JoeChappell.

SPEAKER_00 (22:14):
Right.
Right.
Yes.

SPEAKER_06 (22:15):
And we we started to um think about how we could step
it up kind of.
Yes.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (22:22):
With the the intention of, okay, this is not
just or only uh a retreat.
It's it's going to be anacademic retreat to begin with.
Okay.
And then we'll move into umscripture thing.
They're they're taught by BishopSaratelli first.
Oh yes, right.
And along with someone else, onetime uh Your husband worked with
him, I think.
Brian Huntsberg.
Brian Hunsberger and again thatmodeled good evangelization too

(22:46):
to team to teach, of course.
But um when we were deciding todo it with with uh this academic
credits, um we realized thatpeople do want to really delve
deeply.
Some people really want it.
Do I do I get something out ofthis more than just inspiration
for me, but also um reallyfeeding my faith and feeding my

(23:10):
soul.

SPEAKER_06 (23:10):
And uh so it's rooted in spirituality first,
yes, scripture, Old and NewTestament, yeah, um church
documents, especially onevangelization, right?

SPEAKER_00 (23:24):
And and I'd say uh I I mentioned parables of Jesus,
but also biblical callnarratives, which I think is
really important.
That's their second class.
You know, how were people in theBible called?
What was their response?
How are you called?
What is your response?

SPEAKER_02 (23:40):
And how the Holy Spirit uh continues to guide us,
even just thinking uh uh fromthe Second Vatican Council to
St.
Pope John Paul II, uh PopeBenedict to Pope Francis, all
focused on evangelization, butuh a development as well, right?
I mean, Pope Francis uh speakingof missionary disciples, right?
In some sense, the certificateuh uh uh on on Catholic

(24:02):
evangelization is trainingmissionary disciples, I think,
right?
That that Pope Francis now PopeLeo uh are are calling us to be.
And uh and and and and PopeFrancis that you know everyone
has a place at the table throughthe synodal process, right?
And and uh the the certificateprogram um uh allows leaders to
respond to a call who maybe notsee themselves leaders right

(24:25):
when they begin, but uh throughthat they can leave as leaders,
right?

SPEAKER_03 (24:29):
No, absolutely.
That is the I would say one ofthe major um points that
everyone leaves with.
It's like, oh, we we're calledto part like really participate,
right?
And so um, and that's the beautywith ending with this final
project.
It's like okay, now you're goingout, and what are you going to
do?
And so um yeah, it's um I I'mI'm just so grateful that I've

(24:57):
had the opportunity to not justexperience it, but now I get to
actively share this and try andget people involved.
Um so if people are interested,it's the the application is up
on the website.
It's really easy to go click onthe link and I'll be in touch if
you're and now's the time,right?

SPEAKER_02 (25:17):
Because this is the first time.

SPEAKER_06 (25:19):
And I don't I don't want to get too bogged down on
this, but but the diocese has agrant that will help people uh
afford the course.

SPEAKER_00 (25:30):
So they're in the Patterson Diocese.
Correct.

SPEAKER_06 (25:33):
Yeah, correct.
Because Newark's is stillcatching up.

SPEAKER_00 (25:44):
And what's fascinating when I was teaching,
there were young people in their20s, and then there were people
who had tons of experience intheir 60s, and yet each each uh
group um modeled evangelization,witness to it, and we everyone
had such a great conversation.

SPEAKER_06 (26:02):
I should probably call time.

SPEAKER_02 (26:04):
Right.
Yeah, so thank you so much, Dr.
Chafford, and thank you reallyuh um for sharing and all that
you do for the church, and uh,and uh we hope and pray that um
the cohorts will grow and uhcontinue to be a blessing for
our dynasties and beyond.

SPEAKER_00 (26:20):
Thank you so much.
Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 (26:21):
Thank you.
Thank you.
God bless you.

SPEAKER_06 (26:30):
We are back with Bishop Kevin and two uh
additional guests, Anna MariaGarcia and Patrick Dillon, both
of whom are finishing up theircertificate in Catholic
evangelization as part of thethree-year cohort that ends 2026

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and began in 2023.
So the CCE runs in three-yearcohorts.
So we'll be starting a newcohort in 2026, and that will
run until 2029, and we're takingapplications right now.

SPEAKER_02 (27:06):
Yes, and now's the time, otherwise you've got to
wait three years.
So probably uh up until uh Julyor August, there'll be still.

SPEAKER_06 (27:14):
Yeah, well I think I think uh if we have latecomers,
Dr.
Diane Trafflett helps us squeezethem under the wire.
Great, great.

SPEAKER_02 (27:21):
It's important to be flexible.
Uh so um uh I've gotten to knowAnna Maria over these uh last
few years.
And um Pat, thanks for beingwith us uh from the Diocese of
Metutcheon, right?

SPEAKER_07 (27:35):
Yeah, that's right.
St.
Matthias.

SPEAKER_02 (27:37):
Um praying for um your administrator, uh Father
Tom?
Yeah, yes, and uh um pray you'llplease God have a new bishop
soon, right?
Um but you're two of twelve fromwhat we heard, right?
Uh uh so maybe um Anna Marie,maybe you can begin.
What when did you first hearabout the certificate for

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Catholic evangelization and whatled you to say God might be
calling me to this?

SPEAKER_04 (28:03):
Yeah, so my my husband is ready.
Um also works here on thediocese.
He also works here, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (28:09):
Campus college, campus ministry, right?

SPEAKER_04 (28:11):
Campus minister, yeah.
And so he is he was be asked todo the CCE.
Because when I was hired, Briansaid, you know, we prefer to
have our staff members to eithergo through yeah the CCE.

SPEAKER_01 (28:29):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (28:30):
And so I was like, so he was asked to go through
the CCE, and then he kind ofjust mentioned it to me.
I'm like, whatever you learn,tell me, because I want to know
too.
And then, you know, he's justdoing it and he just kind of
talking to me about it, and Iwas like, I kind of want to do
it.
But it was more a financialthing.
I mean, we were we were engagedwhen we first started, so we

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weren't even married yet.
Um and then it kind of just sohappened, it was like God's plan
that I was then later asked if Iwanted to be the co-leader of
the young adults, and then itkind of like worked out.
So I I think it was like I wasalready planning, but then it
was also recommended, so it wasa bigger push.

SPEAKER_02 (29:10):
And all in God's time.
Yeah, it really was.
And uh uh the family has grownsince uh you were married to
Freddie, right?

SPEAKER_04 (29:17):
Uh they have a little baby girl.

SPEAKER_02 (29:18):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (29:19):
Mariana.

SPEAKER_02 (29:19):
Mariana, how Marianna Paula.

SPEAKER_04 (29:21):
She's 13 months.

SPEAKER_02 (29:22):
13 months.

SPEAKER_01 (29:24):
Did you catch the middle name?

SPEAKER_04 (29:25):
Paula.
We named her Paula after afteryou know St.
Paul and in thankfulness justbecause of everything.

SPEAKER_02 (29:33):
The wing for Father Manning.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (29:37):
Yeah, yeah.
But one of the things I uhappreciate about Brian was Brian
saying to anyone who came onstaff here, you need to be
schooled in evangelizationbecause we're an evangelization
center.
So whether you work at the frontdesk or on the college campus,
we want you to be trained inevangelization.

SPEAKER_04 (29:55):
When he was telling me at the time it was more so
for being a co-leader, so I waspart-time.
I wasn't even full-time at thetime.
And then Chris, our otherco-leader, had also gone through
it.
And it's just so happened that Ithink every time we have a new
co-leader, the the registrationkind of comes around.
So Chris was going through it.
Then when I was coming in, itwas going.

SPEAKER_02 (30:15):
So uh we'll hear from Pat about how he first
heard about the uh opportunityand and what led him to respond
to the call.
Uh and as Pat is sharing thatwith, we'll come back to Anna
Marie then and um uh just wellyou could tell us a little bit
about what the three years havebeen like, and I believe there's
a project that you're working onat the moment, right?

(30:36):
We'll come back to that.
But Pat, uh maybe let us know uhum how you heard about it and
yeah, well, uh, you know, asAnna Maria shared, it's all in
God's timing.

SPEAKER_07 (30:46):
Um, quite frankly, uh Bishop, I had no idea where
the Lord wanted me.
Um I was a reject from thedeaconate in Mituchen.
I was like, I was gonna be apriest, father, I have two kids.
Married two kids.
Married two kids.
And I don't always know it.

(31:07):
Uh but the truth is a lot oftimes the Lord just drops things
in my lap.
And I have to, when I look backover my life, uh I'd say most of
the major things in my life,that's exactly how they
happened, even though I had thisfucking plan.
One door closes, God opensanother, right?
Was it uh we plan, gotcollapsed, or something.
I forget the phrase.
But yeah, so um, you know, I Iuh Dr.

(31:29):
Troutlet, uh, I'm sorry, I callher Diane.
Um we we had a we had a plantoo.
So uh I was looking to graduate.
Uh I was in systematics, I haveit at MAT there.
Um, and it suddenly occurs tome, oh my gosh, if I get into
the diaconate program, I can'thave two systematics in the same
college, can I?
And she's like, oh no.

(31:49):
So we quit rearranged things andI ended up with uh
ecclesiastical history, whichwould not have been my first
choice, although I loved it, Ihave to say.
But uh when I got the rejectionletter, I have to admit, uh boy,
did it hurt.
It hurt.
And I I read the first line likemultiple times.
I'm like, they don't want me.
And I was, you know, when Ifirst started out in the

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program, I was probably 50-50.
You know, if early in theprogram they said, you know,
you're not the guy, I'd be like,okay, great, thanks.
I appreciate your time.
And I would have been fine.
But as I got closer, I'm like,oh my gosh, this is where the
Lord wants me.
So when the rejection came, itwas it was tough.
Um, I took a semester off, youknow, I spent a lot of time in
prayer.
Um, I talked to Diane, and I waslike, I I don't know where the

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Lord wants me.
I have no idea.
And she's like, Well, what doyou like to do?
Where do you think the Lordmight want you?
And I'm like, I don't know.
But I've been enamored by umpeople that are apologists.
Um, like what Freddie does.
Freddie goes on collegecampuses, and I'm I'm enamored
that he can do that.
Like, I don't think I'm thatguy.
So I know I'll never be a trueapologist.

(32:55):
He starts by playing soccer.
And then it helps.
I don't play soccer.
I'm very far too old and frail.
But anyway, um she said, Well,you know what, we do some of
that, you know, uh uh in thiscertificate program.
She started telling me about it,and while she's talking, I'm of
course on my laptop looking upthe course list.
I'm like, oh, okay.

(33:16):
They all looked really good.

SPEAKER_02 (33:18):
Had you heard of St.
Paul's Inside the Walls inMadison at that time?

SPEAKER_07 (33:21):
I had, but only I didn't know much about it.
Like I had seen advertisementsfor it, I had seen the CCE
program advertised, but I reallydidn't um pay any attention to
it.
Um and the other reason I knewabout it was the connection.
So my wife and my sister-in-lawwent to school here when it was
Bailey.
Oh, Bailey L.
Yeah.
So what frustrates me is when Itell them about like the
building, they're like notinterested.

(33:42):
I'm like, oh my goodness, yeah.
It's gorgeous.
But um, yeah, so uh that wasreally it.
She she kind of encouraged me tosay, you know, look, there's
some classes here that might beof interest to you.
I I agreed.
So I'm figuring, all right, youknow, it's just a certificate,
I'll sign up.
If it doesn't work out, I'll gosomewhere else, I'll do
something else.
Maybe the Lord will dropsomething in my lap.
But here I am, all set.

(34:05):
And it's again kind of droppedin my lap, and I just consider
it a blessing.
You know, it wasn't on theradar, but I am blessed to have
been here.

SPEAKER_02 (34:13):
Uh we'll hear uh a little bit of Anna Marie's
experience and her project, andthen we can come back and Pat
can tell us about what he'splanning uh in this last final
semester, right, as we movetowards graduation.

SPEAKER_06 (34:23):
Well, actually, they're they're done with
classes.
Yeah, they're just finished.
Yeah.
And they just madepresentations.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (34:30):
So your project?

SPEAKER_04 (34:32):
So my project is I am still working on a title.
Maybe I'll ask Father Paul.
He's really good with titles.
Um, but it's basically on uhdoing an exegetical approach to
the Sunday lectionary.
Um and I want to, you know, tryto do that here with our young
adults.
So I'm I'm getting a free promohere.
It's kind of unfair.

(34:52):
Um but I want to do it beforemass and because I want to add
on to the mass.
I I think that not that the massisn't enough, but we kind of,
you know, we'll we'll scheduleBible studies outside on
Wednesday, Tuesdays, and we'relearning about scripture
elsewhere.
But I think a lot of the timeswhen we're in mass, we it kind
of goes over our head.
Because I want to do it on onfirst and second first and

(35:14):
second readings and the gospeland you know, maybe have like an
hour and try to tie it in.
Because I mean, especially forme as a young adult, I'm seeing
so many people pick up theirBibles again and whether it's
Christian or uh Christian or notno Catholics or or Christian.
And I'm just seeing it become abigger thing, and I just don't

(35:35):
know if enough people are doingit exegetically, um reading what
the author intended to do.

SPEAKER_02 (35:42):
Bishop Barron uh just apparently gave a talk, I
think at Notre Dame, on um onthe evangelical um foundations
of the Old Testament.
Uh and the weekly podcast forWord on Fire is him interviewing
about um, but uh if you get achance, it's it's it's uh he he

(36:03):
talks a lot about what um whatyou're speaking about in terms
of our familiarity and and uhCatholics we still struggle to
let uh our people know that uhwe should be reading the Bible.
Um I think we've made someprogress, but uh we still have a
ways to go.
And uh but certainly um uh wehave that familiarity at mass,

(36:23):
uh, but you're saying uh allowgive people an opportunity to
not only pray with and read thereadings before mass, but um
have some insight.
Yeah, right, right.

SPEAKER_06 (36:34):
And Anna Marie is prompting as coordinator for
young adult ministry, uh well,she just scheduled uh a
formation uh series, uh aformation evening with our young
adults.
What what did we call it again?

SPEAKER_04 (36:46):
It was you you called it the the low grade
level title, but it wasunderstanding the Bible, how it
works, and how to read it.
Yeah, you and then I think itwas uh like scriptural analysis.

SPEAKER_06 (37:00):
Questioning the text, I think, or something.
I can't remember.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (37:04):
But yeah, I just think that it I think it's such
an amazing thing.
And and we're seeing a lot ofBible studies, and this is no
hate to Bible studies, and evendoing Bible study is it's
amazing, you know.
You're opening up God's word,spending time with Jesus.
But I think we there has been aa little bit of an
overcorrection and the shiftwhere there's um a focus on more
of a reflectionary basis ofBible study where people are

(37:27):
like, What did this mean to me?
Yeah, yeah, right.
How does it aff what does itmean in your life right now?
And God can definitely, youknow, speak to you through that,
but you know, I think it wouldbe even more powerful if people
were doing exegesis.
Know what the right what thereadings are saying, what God is
intending to say.

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What the saints have said aboutthe what was going on and then
doing an exegesis.

SPEAKER_06 (37:52):
So letting the text speak for itself first before we
read into it.

SPEAKER_01 (37:56):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (37:57):
And also hearing what others have said about the
text, right?
Yeah, yeah, right, right.
Um, so uh uh Pat, your project.

SPEAKER_07 (38:05):
Sure, if you don't mind, I'd like to plug yours a
little bit too.
Um so I think you know when Iheard Anna Maria's presentation,
uh, I was like, yes, I'm verymuch in favor of what you're
looking to do.
You know, my wife and I, foryears when we were first
married, we ran a Bible studyout of our home, and maybe we
had a dozen members from ourparish uh attend St.
Virgil's.
Uh so you know that one, right?
Moore's Plains.

(38:26):
Moore's Plains.
Okay, so yeah.
Is that Patterson?
I'm not sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You're ours.
There we go.
Woo! But uh, and I've I've beenuh leading a small faith group
that meets.
Uh we've been meeting for welost track, somewhere between 13
and 15 years.
That's amazing we've beenmeeting, and we do what you say.
We break open the word, but wedon't get as hermeneutical as as

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I would like, right?
We do a reflection.
Uh some people like to writetheir own, they do research on
it.
Uh, some people find one.
We had a phenomenal one uh forGood Shepherd Sunday that was
very deep, and I don't recallwho wrote it.
My wife is the one who led thatmeeting.
We start we started taking turnsleading the meeting, which is

(39:08):
great because as you know, likewhen you when you step up and
you prepare for it, you learnmore than anybody else.
Like you, you're if if you care.
You put all your heart and soulinto it and you learn more.
So I think that's really great,but I would love to go deeper.
Uh so I think your project is isgreat.
I think you're gonna do uh butwhat's your project?
So mine is.

(39:29):
So mine is like I said, I alwaysremembered that those who can
be, you know, apologetics, uhapologists.
And I thought, well, maybethere's a way I could do
something like that, you know.
And I thought of this, um, youknow, I'm a I'm a propeller
head, right?
So I thought of this idea.
I was like, what if I was tocreate small video clips for

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social media?
And they would be um spiritualin nature.
That might be scripture, theymight be a simple message, just
some way to get evangelizationout there beyond like my little
circle, you know.
And I thought I could learn thison my own, I could do it
personally, I could do itthrough my parish.
Uh, Father Tom is just startingto use social media.

(40:10):
He will put clips of his umsermons online, and I've
actually given him some advice,like, Father, you gotta sit
further back in front of thecamera.
Yeah, little things like that.
Um, but I thought, well, shoot,maybe I could do that with our
parish.
And then I thought, well, youknow, the diocese could use a
presence too.
So I know we were supposed tothink about one of those three.
I'm thinking all of those.

(40:31):
Yeah, good for you.
Uh so if you I barely got itstarted, but if you're on
Instagram or Facebook, I wasable to secure the name the AI
Apostle.

SPEAKER_01 (40:42):
Oh my goodness.
I'm completely there.

SPEAKER_07 (40:44):
I was like, okay, I'm the AI Apostle.
I've only got one clip rightnow.
Uh two, sorry, two.
And I figured let me let me seehow that goes.
So again, the Lord droppingthings in your lap, right?
One of the things I alwayswanted to do more of in my own
parish was to work with theyouth.
But I'm 65 years old, who wantsme in the group, right?
Well, it turns out they do.

(41:05):
The kids seem to like me forwhatever reason, and I've always
wanted to get more involved.
So I miss this one meeting.
One meeting I miss.
The kids are talking to thedeacon who runs the program, and
guess what?
They want to do a weekendlock-in focused on using AI in
social media.
I'm like, wow.
Oh my gosh.
So now I'm like, I gotta getwith these kids, see what

(41:27):
they're thinking.
Because all along, one of myideas was get the kids' voice
out there.
Like, get their when I but I'mcalling them kids, but they
could be as old as 35.
They're really young adults.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They're young adults.
Um, get their ideas.
Like, what is it that theythink, you know, what's what are
the questions that they wouldlike to talk about?
What would they like to helpdevelop?

(41:47):
And have them help develop someof that, you know, content that
we put out there.
You know, maybe a minute or twoclip.
Nothing long, because peoplewon't they won't sit through it.

SPEAKER_06 (41:55):
That's what we've moved to here, is like short
clips.
Reals, they call them.
Reals, yes, exactly.
I know.
Well, she just told me.

SPEAKER_02 (42:04):
And uh for our viewers or listeners, uh uh an
apologist uh is not necessarilysomeone who goes around saying
they're sorry, right?
Catholic apologetics is uh uhdefending the faith, right?
Yeah, I don't want to start.
Answering questions uh you know,loving them.
Right, right.
Yeah, that sounds great.

SPEAKER_07 (42:22):
Uh I'm excited about it.
And and again, one of those theLord drops in your lap.
Like I had a whole notherproject in mind.
One of my classmates thought itwas a terrible idea.
And I was like, um.
So then I keep that I thought ofthis one, which um, some of the
relationships uh Dr.

SPEAKER_02 (42:36):
Chaffler was talking about uh in terms of the uh and
maybe you can say a little bitabout that uh an experience of
community, right?
That you've been together with agroup of 12 yourselves and and
10 others, uh telling each otherthat's a terrible idea, right?
Um so uh uh what and maybe someof the other projects that you
heard about are uh um somethingthat stood out in terms of um

(43:00):
those other classmates that willbe graduating with you, anything
or anyone in particular that uhstrikes you?

SPEAKER_07 (43:06):
There was one, uh I forgot who was doing it, maybe
Cheryl.
Um the post Cana.
Oh, that's a gill.
That's a gill.
What a great idea, right?
Like when you first get married,there's a few bumps, right?
There's a couple bumps, learningto live with each other, and you
know, some of the mechanics ofliving together.
And um, boy, that'd be great tohave a support system and some

(43:31):
help to do that with like-mindedpeople.
I think hers is a great project.

SPEAKER_02 (43:36):
Other classmates or uh things that you heard or
people you met that uh werehelpful.

SPEAKER_04 (43:41):
It's cool to see people's um personalities seep
into it.
We have someone, uh Janice, wholoves gardening.
Oh, and she wants to build agarden to help the poor, to feed
the poor.
Um, or my husband, I'll g I'llgive him a free promo too.
Uh he wants to do a Catholicsocial teaching certificate that
somewhat models uh thecertificate.

SPEAKER_02 (44:04):
Anna Maria's husband, Freddie, is also the
co-host of one of our other uhpodcasts with Brian Osberg,
right?

SPEAKER_06 (44:09):
Yeah, the Paul Street Journal.

SPEAKER_02 (44:10):
Right, right.

SPEAKER_06 (44:11):
And they they've taken a little hiatus because
there's been some changes, butwe've got to get that back.
Right.
Yeah.
Can I could I just ask AnnaMarie, you were you were talking
with me about every clas therethere's over three years, a lot
of material, a lot ofinformation, but you had key
takeaways for each of them.
Do you want to just say a littlebit about that?

SPEAKER_04 (44:30):
Yeah, I in reflecting over the last three
years, I've noticed that everyclass for me, there was like one
thing that stuck with me.
And I don't know if I'll gothrough every single there there
are six of them, but I don'tknow if I'll go through every
single one of them.
But for prayer, prayer,disciple, and community
discipleship, that one for me,my biggest takeaway was that

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prayer isn't one-sided.
And that's what it felt like forme.
Prayer always felt like I'mtrying to find my way to God,
and he's just a little far.
I'm I'm just I'm learning tospeed up to get there, and
that's just not the case.
And and prayer in that classreally taught me God is just
running back right back to youand a lot faster.
And so to me, it was this prayerwas just opened up to me in such

(45:15):
a different way.
So that was a great, amazingfoundation of a course.
I loved that course.
The the bibliography we hadduring that class was amazing.
Um Biblical call narratives, asmuch as biblical call.
Biblical call narratives, yeah.
That one was by Brian Hans.

SPEAKER_02 (45:32):
When different individuals in the Bible were
called by God, right?
Uh and sent on a missionusually.
Yes, right.

SPEAKER_04 (45:37):
You know, and like Father Paul said, there's so
much you learn.
But for some reason the thingthat stuck with me wasn't
necessar the the call part wasimportant, but for me was the
more the biblical part.
Because I just remember thatclass breaking open scripture,
and Brian had a circling and andhighlighting, and I could still
see that um he gave us this bigpiece of paper and we all had to

(45:59):
break open Genesis.
And I still remember I hadGenesis 17, the circumcision.
And I like you just had to likecircle and you're the you know,
what words are in the NewTestament and words that are
repeated, and we just totallybroke it open.
And so to me, that class reallythat came out to me, and then
there's Father Paul's course, itwas evangelizing church.

(46:20):
No, church evangelization.
Yeah, same thing.
Evangelizing.
We had an evangelizing churchclass.
You know, that one was um justwhat stuck out to me was how
much we're a missionary church.
Um not that used to mean to mewas okay, like you know, the
people that go and they go toAfrica, they go to Europe and
and they go into theirmissionaries, but no, we're as

(46:42):
an individual, we are allmissionary disciples, and that
the nature of the church ismissionary.
We're we're you know, we're onmission constantly.

SPEAKER_02 (46:52):
And so the church exit exists to evangelize, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (46:55):
Exactly.
That is our nature.

SPEAKER_06 (46:57):
I don't want to embarrass Anna Maria, but her
her uh growth and her capacityto articulate the faith and to
to speak it is I've just seenthe growth over the three years.
Thank you.
Thanks to the certificate.

SPEAKER_02 (47:12):
And now you're gonna uh put it into practice, right?
Yeah, uh there's a graduationceremony coming up, I believe.

SPEAKER_07 (47:17):
Yes, yeah, a couple weeks.
We have mass Monday, right?
There's mass Monday at theseminary, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (47:23):
The fourth, I think.

SPEAKER_07 (47:24):
I think it's yeah, I think it's Monday.
Yeah, looking forward to it.
Um, if you guys don't mind, if Icould it's you know, on top of
all the stuff we're learning,and we learned a ton, you
already had an MAT, so I hadsomething to compare it to.

SPEAKER_02 (47:36):
We learned a ton, but one of the things that uh
MAT Masters of Arts andTheology.

SPEAKER_07 (47:41):
Yes, yeah, thank you.
Um just uh for that.
I was thinking of a I have a Macbutton.
Right.
Um not only uh have we learned aton, but um what surprised me a
lot about the whole certificateprogram is how much um we grew
in our own spirituality.
Like I wasn't expecting that.

(48:01):
You know, I guess I wascomparing it to you know the
straight-up lectures that wewould get in the past.
Not that they weren't goodbecause they were great.
I mean, I loved all of them.
In fact, I'm I am going on formy another master's after this.
Um but when we would interactwith each other and we'd learn
from each other's um experiencesum or each other's struggles, it

(48:21):
really became like that faithcommunity that you that you
mentioned or you know, in theearly days of the church.
And um, I was surprised how muchI grew spiritually.
There were there's a couple ofguys in that, a couple people in
the class that have actuallybeen really helpful to me on a
spiritual level that you know II really appreciated being able
to have someone to talk to, youknow, uh that could understand

(48:44):
your situation and um empathizewith you and just share with
you.
But again, I I you talked aboutprayer.
You know, prayer is an area thatI've struggled with my whole
life.
Uh to this day.
I I'm I'm never I'm neversatisfied with my prayer life.
But you're right, we learned somuch uh that helped us develop
our own prayer life.
Uh uh I I'm very grateful tothis certificate, far beyond

(49:07):
like credits or like what I'msupposed to do with it for my
own selfish thing.
It's been a it's been such ablessing.
Yeah, it really has.

SPEAKER_06 (49:14):
Thank you.
I'm conscious of time.
So Bishop, is there anythingelse you want to uh uh share or
or wrap up with?

SPEAKER_02 (49:22):
Uh we pray for all those uh um entering the church
in these days.
Uh yes, many at uh adults at umat the Easter Vigil, uh, but we
have uh I'm blessed to have umor completing their initiation.
Uh uh this wonderful time ofyear to celebrate confirmations
and so um, but also a lot offirst holy communions, right?

(49:42):
That great moment uh in infamilies and for parishes and uh
a sign of um the church churchbeing alive and growing.
Uh uh again, we're recording onApril 28th.
This coming Friday, the feast ofum St.
Joseph the Work on May 1st, anduh a week later it will be uh
Pope Leo's first anniversary.
Uh so it's amazing how the timegoes by so quickly.

(50:04):
But um, but uh you know I thinkagain looking back to Bishop
Saratelli and Monsignor Gino anduh how this uh evangelization
center started and passing thebaton on to yourself, Father
Paul, and uh the team here thatdoes such a great job.
And again, thanking Dr.
uh Trafford for being with usand for all that she brings and
has shared and continues to.

(50:25):
Um so um, and uh we have Joe andJay behind the uh cameras there.
I hope that's the show.

SPEAKER_06 (50:30):
I was thinking Pat's got to talk to Joe and Jay about
the AI and social.

SPEAKER_02 (50:35):
That's right, that's right.
So uh just uh wonderful time forthe church, you know, and uh uh
beautiful time of year, and umwe give thanks uh for um Pat and
Anna Maria be with us and uh forDr.
Triflet and any and and FatherPaul, thanks uh for um you're
doing it.
It's a pleasure.

SPEAKER_07 (50:52):
Yeah, we give thanks for all of all of you.
It's been amazing experience.

SPEAKER_06 (50:57):
Yeah.
Can we have a blessing?
Sure.

SPEAKER_02 (50:59):
We the Lord be with you and with your spirit.
And may Almighty God bless younow and always, Father, Son, and
Holy Spirit.
Amen.
Amen.
Let us remain and go in thepeace of Christ.

SPEAKER_06 (51:11):
Thanks be to God.

SPEAKER_02 (51:12):
See you next time in the next episode.
God bless you.