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July 1, 2026 • 61 mins

Why do so many law firms struggle despite operating in one of the world's most profitable industries?

In this episode, Matt Goodwin interviews RJ Robins, renowned law firm growth expert, about the business principles that help law firms scale while creating more freedom for their owners.

They discuss the seven stages of law firm growth, why most lawyers never receive business training, how to avoid burnout, the importance of leadership and systems, and the opportunities—and risks—of using AI in legal practice.

Whether you're a solo attorney, managing partner, or entrepreneur, this conversation provides actionable insights on building a profitable, scalable law firm that works for you instead of consuming your life.

Topics Covered:

  → Law firm profitability

  → The 7 stages of law firm growth

  → Leadership and business systems

  → Marketing for lawyers

  → AI in the legal profession

  → Building a scalable legal practice

  → Overcoming burnout

  → Entrepreneurial mindset for attorneys

Follow the Matt Goodwin Podcast for more conversations on business, leadership, entrepreneurship, legal innovation, and personal growth.

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