Matt from Missouri: A Lifetime of Bigfoot and Paranormal Encounters

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Bigflet Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In
this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring
you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen
something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to
quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,
and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

(00:20):
These are the voices of the people who've lived it.
To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that
just might change the way you see the woods forever.
So stay with us, all right, Bigflet Society. We've got
the privilege of talking to Matt today. Matt is a
listener from down there in Missouri that has had some
really interesting things happen over the entire span of his life.

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So we've got it sounds like some ground to cover today,
and Matt is going to be taking us back to
when things start happening for him and his life, and
we're really going to go to some interesting places, is
what it sounds like.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Matt.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Welcome to the show. How are you doing today, sir?

Speaker 2 (01:02):
I'm doing really good year.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Maia, how about you doing great. It's always fun when
it's a nice day in Iowa, and I'm able to
talk to some people about Bigfoot. I cannot do better
than that, So can't complain. Can't complain, Matt we As
we've already said, I think there's quite the life that
you have lived so far, and so I want to

(01:24):
make sure that you have the time to share your experiences.
I'm going to go ahead and say, feel free to
take us back to when you first started to realize
that some things were happening in your life that were
out of the ordinary.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Okay, yeah, I'm thirty five of getting ready to fifty
six years not too long. The world of weirdness. It
started whenever I was probably four to five years old.
My mom and dad were over a couple depressionary of people.
My mom would and my dad both they would buy
a state and pedal antiques on the side. My dad

(02:02):
was a not burning engineer. My mother was a housewife,
and that was a lot of things that she did
to make extra money was buy out of states and pedal.
All these antiques probably started between four and five with
an estate that she had bought out. Her and I
were in the basement. I went down first. I was

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just kid, just playing it to me. Everything was a
big just so much fun to go and root through
all this stuff. And her and I go down into
this basement and I hear her say something as she's
coming down behind me, and she goes into me. She
said that she was pushed in the door shut and
it was one of them old style sellers with the
doors outside the house. And she's screaming for my dad

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to come, and we couldn't get out of basement. We
couldn't get out of the sell this basement. And he did.
He came and opened up the doors and she told
him the story that she was shoved. I'm just kid.
I don't know anything from there. With the antiques, a
lot of your listeners may know that they have anything
to do with the paranormal side, that a lot of

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things spirits can attach themselves to that and saying that
our basement was the storage for a lot of these
things that my mom and dad would bring home with us.
We would have I'm not going to say hauntings, but
we would have things happen, pipes knock, all different things
like that. She was that first experience started her and

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my mom is of Cherokee descent. Her great grandmother was
a sorry about that. She was a medicine woman. She's
on the trailer tears. That kind of opened a door
doing these antiques where my mom, I don't know what
it was. She started practicing what she did and what

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she's seen her grandmother do, great grandmother did. She was
a kid, and she would she'd opened up herself as
a psyche. Things really changed after that, just seeing things, spirits.
She would deal with seances. She got into a metaphysics

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part of it. She even went and was looked at
for astro projection. She was never her percentage of being
correct on things wasn't high enough for them to use
her in anything like that. But she was very good,
very good. I seen her have police ask her about

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things many different municipalities around the Midwest. I used to
go with her to a lot of those things. This
may sound bad, but I think a lot of times
a child will can have their spiritual abilities are really
open when they're young. They don't have all the things
that we have as we accumulate in life, all this

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crap on us. And I think my mom used me
as a channeling device maybe of some sort. I think
that made her perception that much better because I would
see things. One time FBI had contacted her. It was
about a murder. We went and drove met them. They
took us somewhere and it was just me and my

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mom and these two agents in a car. And it
wound up being a plane involved in this whatever it was.
Like I said, I was just a kid during that time.
Didn't really pay attention to a whole lot of stuff
except for the weird of course, wound up being a plane.
She gave numbers, but it wasn't all the numbers for

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the plane. And I happened to say these two numbers,
it just popped into my head. It was numbers that
were on the plane. Move along, through the years I
seen her do. She would be called the clear spirits
from a house or do different things for people. A

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lot of stuff during that time, Luigi boards and all
that was super rampant. And you should never play with
those things. That just opens the door to a lot
of bad things. I was I never was allowed to
play with anything like that. I watched her take care
of a lot of those things. Moving along. I'm a
little older, about seven eight years old, like I said

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I had been. She took me me and my dad
took her wherever she needed to go for whatever. Moving along,
I'm about seven or eight years old then, seventy seven,
seventy eight, this started the bigfoot Sasquatch thing that I
didn't even know. Seven or eight years old. In first

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grade comes around deer season. I'm one of the only
boat boys in the class. I want to go deer hunting.
So I start hammering on my dad. I want to
go deer hunting, and they buy a place. We go
down there. I'm about eight years old. My first year season.
It's in an area at that particular there was a

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lot of vocals that people heard around there. I never
knew that until just not too long ago. But what
people talked about hearing is what I heard back in
that time, and they were strange. Back then. The first
thing that we noticed was car door would sound like
a car door slam, and it would come from different

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sides of the woods, and we would just sit there
and listen. I'd always ask my dad's like, what is that.
I'm not sure. He goes, I don't know what that is.
My first year season, my brother's my half brother, his
cousin hunted with us, and I'll never forget it. He's
walking approaching the camp and we're watching him. He's two

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hundred yards away from us. He's walking down the road
and we're watching him, and he spins around and shoulders
his rifle and we're all dying with anticipation to see
what's happening because we can see. He finally comes off
rest and he starts walking back to us, and he

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keeps looking off to his right. He finally gets there
and my dad' said, what did you see, Bruce? Was
there a deer down there? And he goes, I heard
a car door slam and we're the only camp. We're
last camp on the road. There was nobody there. We
would continue to hear these car door slams, knocks, sound
like someone was putting a roof on a house. It

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later went to the weirdest thing in that area. And
this area is Cadet, Missouri, the old mines areas where
it is off of the Minimal Fork River in Arnold Creek.
That's where it was at. I'd never forget it. My
dad's walking down the road and I'm in the middle.
My brother's on the right of me. I'm probably eight

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or nine years old, and we're pretty good ways outside
of camp, and all of a sudden, this, man, you
know what's crazy is I heard someone say the exact
same thing my dad and brother said at the time
that it happened. We're standing there and I'll never forget it.

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My dad my brother looks to my dad and he's like, Joe,
what is that. And my Dad's sitting there and he's
listening to it, and he goes, I don't know, it
sounds like an ambulance. And my brother goes, yeah and
almost like an air raids siren. And my dad follows
up and says, in a train. And it was the longest,

(09:36):
deepest scream. How it was just too strange. And we
stood there, we listened to it, and it did it
a couple of times, and we turned around. We went
back to camp. We didn't hang around too much in
that area down there. And here's the funny thing. The

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timeframe that that was. Car doors don't sound the same
as they did then. We'd roll hollow sounded. Now then
they were big, heavy doors and they made a noise,
a certain noise. Think of a seventy six monty Carlow.
When you shut that door, it was a noise like that.
No more other experiences down there. Go along a little

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bit later. My mom is still doing the psychic thing.
She did that up up until she died. So escalow,
escalate along. Through my teens, we had bought another piece
of property not very far from where we lived. We
could commute and it was about forty acres. Nice, nice place,

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had a pond on it, nice pond, almost one hundred
year old pond. And we buy this place and it
had been overgrown for twenty years when we bought it.
And I think back of any of anything weird ever
happened there. And the only thing that ever strange happened there.
I'll just tell you about two of them. One of
them is real strange. But the first one was, is

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this pond. We get the place cleaned up, we make
it nice. And right before the fourth of July is
right around, it's getting the gig in season. Frog season.
Someone can We had big frogs down there, big frogs,
and you would hear them, and we'd loved it. And
I had never been gigging. My dad and I we're

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going to go gigging the frogs disappear. The frogs are gone,
no hiding a hair of them, no footprints. My dad
is super angry, my brother's bothered to buy it, and
we're going to catch these guys next year. I won't
tell too much of that, but what I'll tell you
is I spent many years trying to catch these people
getting these frogs. Okay, we thought they were poachers. I

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never caught nothing. Okay, I'd never seen nobody, never caught
nobody ever doing it several times was the strangest thing.
I don't even know what even to say about it.
Either they would just be gone twice of all the years.
They would always just be gone twice in the course

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of probably twelve years or more fifteen years. Those several
times I would find the skins of the frogs fall
frogs would be gone, just the skins. I never could
explain that. That was just always the weirdest thing there.
I would hear either my mom or my dad called me.

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That was another weird thing that happened there. One of
the times that my dad called me, it turned out
to be a neighbor's mule that was screaming make a
hell of a noise. The other time was my mom,
and she made a statement I come back to the
area that we had a picnic table and all that,
and I go, yeah, go, mom, you're calling me And

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I wasn't calling you. Go, I go, I heard you
call my name. And my mom had a certain way
about say and my name. Couldn't you couldn't get it
confused with anything. And she told me, she goes, well,
you just better stay here at the Willie Booger get
you and I'd laugh it off. You don't want that.
Both of them were southern folk, grew up poor folk.

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My dad really was out in the woods. Both of
the families had lots of kids, so I think both
of my parents knew, but they never did say much
about it, just little things. So we go through that.
That's all through my teens and into my twenties. I
even have good friends in high school that would stay
up with me down there to try to find these thieves.
Never did find anything. Probably that really didn't really notice

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anything strange out of the normal. Never did hear no
other than my name being called, thinking it was my
mom or dad. Nothing really strange. Half the time there,
I'm getting into my early twenties, I go to trade school.
Meet up with this guy, Chris, I'll alls him and
I got the kicking around over in a place across

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chain of Rocks Bridge, And this would have been the
early nineties. Kicking around over there, and if you look
at the map there, there's a chain of Rocks canal
that goes through there. When we were over there kicking around,
they were building that. And what they did was they
had big potholes that they were taking out, big places,

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like you could put two or three homes down in
some of them. My buddy Chris was from up in
that area and he called them the soup bowls. So
me and him we go over there and we're messing
around in these suit bowls after dark. Course it's late,
messing around in place that we shouldn't have been, and
we go down. We're going down through these suit bowls

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and having a blast, and we come up to one.
It's got Toyota four drive pickup truck. We come up
to the one and it's tires just go over the
top of it. And we stopped right there and we're
pointing out toward the old city workhouse. It was just
right across the river and downstream from us. And there's

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like a big day right there, which the bay has gone.
And like I said that, now it's the chain of
rocks canal over there. And back then a dump was
over there, city dump was over there, pour down in there,
and we're having good time. We get to the last
suit bawl. We parked, the trucks parked, and we're just
facing off and he's got the lights off and we're
sitting there and we see this light and it's pointing

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down and it's shining on the water on the Mississippi
and it's coming down down through there. And I look
over at him and I was like, hey, man, I'll
bet you that's a helicopter looking for those guys that
got out of the workhouse, because they had people that
would escape from there from time to time. And I
know sooner say that, and he flashes his headlights at

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this freaking thing. Okay, we think it's the cops. Right,
This is the strangest thing. You could see the light
on the water, But there wasn't a beat going from
the thing in the sky to the water. All you
could see was that circle on the water. Here comes

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that circle at us. And I'm like, I said, a
few choice words to him. I'm like, dude, I go,
we're not even supposed to be in here anyway, Let's
get out of here. And he's already backing up. When
we're going. Like I said, the wheels were just up
over the top of that hump right there. He starts
his truck up and he's having a hard time getting
his tires back up over it. The thing is coming

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at us and it's freaking huge, absolutely huge. We finally
get back down and we're leaving. We're getting out of there.
We're flying through all these suit bowls. We come standing
out into the farmer's field and the Saint Louis area
is to our back, the river's to our back, and

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we're looking right at the city dump right there, and
he starts grabbing gears and we're getting it, and we're
almost to the road. And when you get closer to
the road, then there was grass and things growed up
and you could see where people were getting in there.
As we're approaching where where we can get on the
road to get out of there. The I guess that

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county over there had come through and took up all
the pipes and they dug it up so people couldn't
get in there, and and I had went in a
different way, and he don't miss a beat man. He
downshifts and he cuts the wheels on that truck and
it spins around. And now we're going back the way
that we come and that thing it come out over

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the top of the trees and it was freaking massive
and it didn't make a noise. It had lights across it.
We're headed toward it, and he starts crying. I'm freaking out.
I'm looking at the massive size of this thing and
it was just huge. We probably I can't even guess
how close we got to it. I didn't know what

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he was doing. I figured it out real close. We
were getting close to that thing, and he whips the
truck around again. He was getting a run to jump
the ditch and get out onto the road, and we do.
He grabbed gears and I'm looking out the back window
and I'm looking at this thing and that's coming to us.
We hit that embankment, cleared the ditch, hit in the

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middle of the gravel road. We slide all the way over,
go into the They had manicured grass going up in
an embankment, and then at the top of the bankment
was a chain link fence. We slide down into the
ditch up on the side. He gets control of the truck.
We come back out on the road and now meet
and him both can see it. It's right there. So
he's grabbing gears. We're trying. He's trying to get out

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of there. And I said to him, like, well, man,
I go just stop, but let's see what it does.
And he said, are you f and stupid? And he's
bawling and I'll never forget it, and me and him
grabbed gears out of there. Super weird that did. My
buddy Chris started a whole chain of events that went

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all down through Illinois that you'll see on the Aliens
UFO Aliens. There's a show all on it. My buddy
Chris is the one that started that. If he would
have never have flashed his lights, that thing would have
never come our way. I'm not saying that it wouldn't.
People down in southern Illinois, just down from like the
JB Bridge wouldn't have seen it. But I think he

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spurred it to come that way. But anyway that goes,
that's in the Like I said, the early nineties, him
and I are still friends to this day. We still
talk about it. He kind of had a melt down
over it and filed it away in a place in
his brain and didn't think about it for a long time.
Wouldn't even talk about it. Still doesn't really like talking
about it. But anyway, a couple of years, this is

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the early nineties. It's about ninety four. I'm hunting a
place down around wapacole A with good buddies of mine.
They had the one buddy his grandma and grandpa had
a place down there, the local, not yach club, but
the local, a little marina, and that ended up buying
it and they rented this cabin out. He wanted all
us to come down there deer hunting, and that's where

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he grew up deer hunting at And I was like, yeah, man,
that'd be cool. So there's a group of our guys
that are hunted down there. A couple of years. I
come down. First year, everything was fine. The second year,
I got a shot at a deer and this was
a weird experience. This is what led to I shoot

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this deer and I give them time to it ran
off and let me back up business. Second me coming
into this place two years after my buddies went there.
I didn't get the most prestigious, nicest spot. I had
to walk all the way down the ridge and get
to where nobody was, and it was a long ways,

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a very long ways. So anyway, I shoot this gear
my second year down there, and she goes to a
place that I hadn't been before, which was close to
the lake, not too bad, great big bottom in real
thick and she heads that way, so I give her
a little bit of time. I start walking over there
and I hear a guy shoot. I'm like, that's some

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of it. Shot my deer. So I pick up the
step and as I'm getting to about where I think
that they are, I hear the boat motor start and
as I get up to him, he turns and looks
at me and he shot. You know. I go, hey,
I go, man, I go, I was tracking the deer.
I go that deer wounded. He's no, he goes, buddy,

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he goes, it's strangest thing. He goes that deer you
shot limped up through ear and he goes it let
out a bleat and he goes this dough run out
of the woods and run up to her and I
shot her. He goes, your deer went off that way,
And at first I'm thinking you lying. I know you're
lying to me. And I looked at I see where
he gutted his gear at, and sure enough he wasn't

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lying there. I found blood trap, blood trail going up.
I never did find that gear. It disappeared. While looking
for this gear, I find this beautiful bottom and it's
just freaking awesome, and I'm thinking, man, this is where
I'm coming bow season, early season. This is going to
be my spot way back in here. But this is

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my spot. So that year goes by. Next year rolls
up and we want to bow hunt, and I me
and my buddy John, we meet up down there and
it's just going to be the two of us. I
could have hunted any freaking place because there was nobody there.
Of course, I'm going to go to the place that
I found, and I get out there, I do something

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different this time. I had always used the flag flight
going into the woods, always had This year bow hunting,
We're going in early and John had forgot his flashlight.
I had one, but I told him to man, I'm
just gonna walk in there. In the dark and just
slow stalk my way down in there. I'm gonna get

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to the end of that ridge throwing my whole plane.
And I do that, and man, I get down there
and it's nice. Son's coming up. It's prime killing time.
And I'm sitting trying this great, big old growth tree
and two or three guys couldn't reach around. It's just
a monster tree and they're scattered out along the end

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of this ridge. It looks down into this bottom and
I lean up against this tree. I'm squatted down. I
got a recurve bow, I got my knife, I got haversack,
got some snacks in it, some water, and I get
leaned up against this tree and I'm sitting there. I
got my boat in front of me, and it's the
time is right. The woods are looking good. I can

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see real nice and I'm sitting there for a long time,
not hearing anything, the sounds of the full taking place.
And it was probably nine ish nine is something like that,
And I'm sitting there and I hear this man and
woman and they're arguing and he is chewing her out,

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and I'm like, holy cole, and who yells back at him?
And then who gets right back on her. This is
what I'm thinking in my mind, and it was a
distinct I distinctly got a male and female from the
sound of their voices. So I start listening to him,
and my first thought in my mind was, oh, I
bet you he let her control the pone tune boat
and she wrecked it. That's my because I'm not too

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far from the water, and that's what I'm thinking. And
he yells at her a few more times, yells at her,
and she's talking back to him and not in a
mean tone, just more like trying to calm him down.
And I'm listening to him, and man, it was the
weirdest freaking thing you could almost hear. I could almost
make out a word or two. And I got to

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listening to them and concentrating on them talking so so much.
I don't even know how long it took place. It
probably wasn't very long. But I'm sitting there and I'm
listening to him, and it's like I've made the comment
on other show, on other places. The only thing I
get associated with back at the time was the Muppets

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and that sweetish chef on there, and he'd know the
way that he would talk. And I'm listening to this,
I'm like, what the hell am I listening to here?
And he's pissed off and he's yelling at her, and
like I said, she was calmly talking to him, and
it was a bunch of words. Man. They were talking.
And in my mind, I'm still thinking that it's a
man and a woman on a boat, is what I'm thinking.

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They're hung up fishing or something. That's what's in my mind.
Nothing else. I didn't think of anything else other than that.
And I'm listening to him, and all of a sudden,
she's the one that gets mad and she starts yelling
at him and just reading this guy the Riot Act,

(26:07):
and I can hear his demeanor changes, and I thought, oh, yeah,
you should get in yours. What I'm thinking, I'm laughing
to myself. A woman's sticking up for herself. And I
start listening to her and she starts getting on him
and she's saying all these words man, and I don't
It's not long ago. I heard follow a lot of

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different people on YouTube, and I followed this with one
Bushcraft guy and he's a Norwegian and here let slip
an English word when he talks here and there, and
what I can now, it's funny because I made it
up about being that muppet, that sweetish chef and here.
When I listened to that guy and do his show,

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Like I said, he lets out an English word here
and there that almost sounded like them. It almost sounded
like they were standing avy in some sort anyway. I'm
focusing it on her because her voice I can it
seems like I can almost make out better what she
is saying, and I can almost make out the words. Man.

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And I start concentrating real hard, and she's yelling at him,
and his demeanor changes and he's okay, I kicking rocks.
I got in trouble from his wife. And I'm listening
to this and this is what I'm thinking. And he
did that a couple times while she was still cheering
on his head. I when it was real weird. Man,

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I can almost make out what she's saying. And she
says it again a little bit talking to him, and
I'm just like and I had focused in and listened
so hard my head was hurting, and I was like, man,
I just give up. I don't know what they're saying.
I that thought, no sooner went through my mind, and
over my left shoulder comes to this golf ball size

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raw and it riz past my ear and it goes
right in front of me, and I'm like, I'm in
somebody's hunting area. Completely forget about the boaters that are
yelling at each other, right, I completely forget about them.
My first thought is I'm in somebody's hunting spot. And
I turn around and I look over my shoulder and

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I start looking in the tops of all these trees.
I'm expecting to see a guy in a stand is
what I'm expecting to see. I don't see nothing, and
I'm thinking he's in the ground blind or something. So
I'm just staying him everywhere, and I'm thinking, man, I
need to get out of here. So I pick up
my haversack, put my heathersack on, make sure I got everything,
make sure I didn't leave no trash or anything on

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the ground, and I picked that rock up and I
and I'm thinking, man, a god could have freaking hit
me with that. I stand up and I looked in
the direction that the rock came from. I go, hey, man,
I go, I'm sorry for being in your spot. I
didn't know this was anybody's I go, I'm leaving. I'm sorry,
didn't mess up your hunt. I turn around and I

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start b lining from that big tree and I don't
get twenty yards from that big tree and another rock,
bigger this time. It's real close. It's so close he
almost got me. I don't know if they timed it
like that to be perfect, but it was a bigger rock.
It did have hit me. I don't know what it

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would have done, because it was whizing when it comes
past my head, come right past my left ear again,
and it goes out in front of me about ten foot,
and it pissed me off. At that time. I'm a
young guy, I'm strong, I was an athlete, tough guy.
I run up and grabbed that rock and I spun
around and I said, I go, I told you I
was believing. I chucked that rock back to there, and

(29:45):
it bounced off a couple of ramses and boom down
to the ground. My first thought was they got the
drop off. I'm thinking, man, the guy's got the drop
on me. And I start looking up in the trees
again and I don't see nothing, and i'd be lying
out of there. I get about another twenty yard yards
and I can hear something off to my right and
it's from down in that bottom and I hear it

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and it's it's where all This is the part that
always really gets me. Man. It's never the part about
the rock. It's a part when I after I said that,
I walk that other twenty yards and I can hear
something off to the right of me, and I'm like,
my thought was this that guy? And I walk a

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little bit and I stop and I hear a step.
I'm like, damn, that's that guy. So I pick up
the case and I take off. I'm not running, but
I'm I've got a I'm six foot two and a half.
I got thirty six inch end scene on my leg.
I can move, man, especially back then. So I'm putting
out the meter steps getting out of there, and I

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go probably another forty yards or so. I'm getting to
up on top of this room. It's real broad chick,
like a thumb start getting to that spot right there,
and I stopped real quick, and I heard it, and
it's now it's closer to me, and he's off. He's

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golf down to my right and he's intersecting me, and
I thought he's going to meet me in that about
I don't know. Another fifty hundred yards in front of
me is an old plumb ticket and it's growed up
in that little bitty fire road crept through there, and
I thought, I'm gonna meet this guy in this and

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that opening up there. So I take off and I
got my my I got a arrow in my hand,
I got my red curve, and I start getting that
fight or flight feeling, and I can hear him as
I'm walking. He's walking and he's headed right for that
plumb ticket, and I'm like, oh, man, and I start
getting that feeling like I'm gonna get in a fight

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with a guy in the middle of the woods over
something stupid and that I'm I was like, man, I
shouldn't have thrown that rock back and said what I said?
That's going through my mind, and I stopped again real quick,
and I caught him. He took two steps, and to me,
it felt like he was about forty yards from me.

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Now i'd done clear at a pretty good distance. I
don't know where they were at. I don't so I
catch him and I thought, well, he's going to meet
me in this field, in this old thicket up here
in this old plumb ticket. So that fight or flight,
and I'm thinking, man, I've got to go out this way.
This is the way I go to to get to
my car. So I take a couple of deep breasts.

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I still get that feeling to this day. I take
off and I'm approaching that and I can hear him.
He's coming and he's getting closer to me. And this
plumb ticket was probably in its heyday, was probably pretty
nice size. It was probably, oh maybe a one hundred
foot by one hundred foot, maybe a little plump, little

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orchard at one time, is what I was guessing. I
get right to the edge of that and it opens
up in the tall grass and that there, there's all
these little plumb trees. And I stepped in there and
I stopped, and I can hear him, and he stopped,
and I turned to my right and I looked down
to where I could see at the corner right there,

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and I didn't seem I didn't say anything. I just
stood there and I figured that he was going to
step out. And I stood there for a minute. Nothing happened.
I turned and I start walking, and I thought, with
the guy wanted to have it out with me. He
would have met me right there. That would have been

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the spot. So I keep walking. I still got a
good ways to go till I get back to my car,
and I keep walking. I keep walking, and I stopped
a few times, and the guy is paralleling me out.
He's following me out. I'm thinking, okay, you don't he
didn't want to fight in the woods, or he didn't
want to cuss me out in the woods. He's going
to do it at my car, is what I'm thinking.

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So I was like, Okay, you know that's better. I
feel better about that. And man, periodically he got close
to me. He probably got within thirty yards maybe of me.
There was a time when I stopped and man, I
could I was like, man, I got to be able
to see this guy. He's just right there. I never

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do seem I come out of the woods and I'm
feeling fidgety fighting because I'm expecting this guy to show
up and then I've got to get into this argument
and do my apologies and all this stuff with this guy.
We get a little butterflies in my stomach, and my
buddy John, he walks out of the woods. I'd been
at camp about twenty minutes or so, he walks out
of the woods that's down the tailgate. He's no, I'll

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never forget it. He puts his bow in his back
of this truck and turns and he looks at me
and he goes, did you know learn two people talking?
I go, yeah, dude, I did. I go, Man. I
tried making out what they were saying, but I never
could understand it. And I talked and I go, yeah,
I go. I listened to him for a long time.
It seemed like I could almost make out what they

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were saying. And I go, about the time I just
gave up on it, I go, I guess I was
in somebody's hunting the spot and someone threw a rock
at me, man, and I didn't tell him about it,
throwing two rocks, the second rock at me, and I
never did say anything about it following me out, Like
I said, I thought it was another hunter. I would
have never known what I know now. I would have

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said something, but it me and him talk about it,
he goes, Man, he goes, it sounded like Gibbers. I go, yeah,
I go, they were something Scandinavian or something. Man. And
I went to him. I go, it's almost sounded like
the Swedish ship off the uplets, and he got a
kick out all laugh and that's all him and I
ever said about it. Never nothing happened. I didn't. But

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what I will tell you is that which is strange.
It's always a vivid dreamer. As a kid growing up,
I did start getting these nightmares of being chased and
not knowing what it was, knowing that I would just
run in my dreens. Ever put two and two together,
and I still really don't it to me, It's just
a weird thing that happened in the dreams that could

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have been anything. At that time, I had kids, a
young family, working two or three jobs. They could bear anxiety.
I never did really attest to the nightmarves, to that experience.
It never did really bother me. I really don't have
any other experiences with bigfoot sasquatch. After that. Some weird
things happened. Those frogs being taken from our farm every

(36:31):
year continued to happen. Never did catch them, and that's
the later time is probably when the last time that
just found the skins floating in them. That was the
weirdest things too. I can't understand that but it was
the whole skin. It wasn't like the trip they cut
off the legs. It was the whole skin. Anyway that happens,

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I get done. Nothing like I said, nothing really happened
down there. I end up seeing another UFO, that particular UFO.
I watched it go into a portal and closed. After
seeing that, nothing really ever happened around here. Now this

(37:12):
is a weird thing because on the BFRO site, within
another mile and a half of where I've seen this UFO,
someone in twenty fifteen seeing a sasquatch run across the
road where I live at now outside of high Ridge, Missouri.
And I was not even into any of that, and
no sace. I thought it was cool. I thought I

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was almost a gift getting to see something like that.
I believed in them because I've seen it. Nothing really
weird took place here. I started hunting a farm down
in Edgar Springs with my same buddies. They leased this
big piece of ground down there. I get on with them.
In another same scenario, they had one hundred of a
few years before I got on the lease with them.

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And that place is one side of it is bordered,
half of it is bordered by people with big peace.
This is a property. The smallest one is maybe twenty acres.
That property was well over three hundred that we were in.
And I get down there, get on that leaves, start
hunting that and like, man, I walked all over that place,

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got to know it really good, and really liked it
down there. And I've never had any weird experiences out
down there. I say, I didn't have weird. The one
weird thing that happened to me, I was sitting in
a blind and may have dozed off for a little bit.
Woke up and looking around. I was bow hunting, looking around,
and a burroke dropped in my lap. And when I

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looked down at it, I just laughed. I'm like, where
did you come from? That whole area down it? There's
not a burrough to be found down there, Okay, I've
been all over that place there there's no And then
I don't know if you know what a burrow is
if you look it up. This one still had the
husk and everything on it, and I picked it up.
I'm looking at it and I just laughed, and I
look up over my head and I'm thinking of did

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a bird drop I don't know. I had no idea. Man.
All I can tell you is what happened. I still
got that thing, so it falls in my lap. Nothing
happened there that was weird, But I'm a logical guy.
It could have been a bird, maybe a squirrel. Maybe
I hadn't seen this burrow, even though I'd walked all
over this place. I don't know if it was that

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same season, it may have been the very next season.
My buddy's got a dog, and that dog went with
us down there all over the place. Had feeders all
over this place, salt licks and blocks, miniermal blocks, and
you know, things like that, typical things what a bunch
of guys do on a hunt property. And we had

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cameras out and all that stuff. Other than that burrough
fall my lap. The one time him and I go
down there and here again, it's nothing that I would
have ever attributed to anything. Him and I we take
off and we're going to walk down to the closest
feeder and camera and we're going to swap out cards.
And a dog takes off. She knows where we're going.

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She runs down the road. Him and I are walking
down the road, walking down the road, we get pretty
close to this. We're probably fifty hundred yards away. We're
pretty close, and here's she come out, and she's got
her head down, her tail is all the way up
on her belly, and she is running as fast as
she can, and she goes right between him and I

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and goes and she's headed right back to the truck
and he's calling her name. She don't stop for nothing.
And I turned to look at him, and he turned
to looked at me, and he's she ain't never done
that before. I go, that's weird. And she run out
of sight back to the vehicle. Don't think nothing of it.
We turn around, we'd go, we're still going to this

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first site. And we walk down maybe fifty seventy five
yards and you make a left off into the brush
and that's probably another twenty five thirty yards to where
the camera and feeder and all that stuff is. So
we make that little left turn and he's about ten
yards in front of me, and he stops dead in
his tracks AND's what is that smell? And he turns

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around and looks at me. He's got this horrible look
on the stace. And I stopped and I'm looking at
him and he's looking at me and he's just got
a horrible look on his face, asking me, he goes
you smell that. I'm like, no, I don't know if
I want to or not. And I took a step
forward and it was like I stepped into man, I

(41:32):
have thought about that, And me and him both while
we're standing there, he's I don't notice, and he named
off a couple few things, and I'm like, man, it
was like a city dump, a decay of some sort.
And the smell that I got and what I told him,
I was like, man, it's almost got like a thing
of burnt hair or something. And we kept standing there

(41:55):
and I actually stepped back to where I was and
I stepped right out of that smell, and I was like, man,
that is weird. And there happens to be a sinkhole
right there, and it's an old house foundation. That place
was an old farm at one time. And I looked
back over my shoulders where that sinkhole is, and I
told him, I, well, maybe it's trash or something seeping

(42:17):
out of that sinkhole. That trash pit over there, and
maybe someone threw something down there. And he's a man,
I don't know, that's just horrible. That's it. No no noises,
nothing happened, We leave, We go about of business. Nothing
really happened. I got We hunted that for a few years.
I ended up getting sick and hurting myself. I dropped

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off that lease and I'm traveling that whole area down there.
I really fell in love with the National forest around it,
all the bucks that I killed, I'd never even killed
a deer on that property, or the years that I
hunted it and winsted. I did better on the concert
on the National forest side. And so that's uh I missed.

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I take short break from it. That was during COVID
end of the around twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, and blew up.
Both my wrists had surgeries and all that. So I
ended up getting back healthy. Go back twenty twenty three
to the same to this hunting spot, and that year
was strange. My son and I showed up there. My

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other partners, the hunting partner, he shows up, his brother
and a good friend of his and my cousin. My
son and I showed up first, and we get out
of the truck and it's dark. Both of us worked
all day and then went down there, so it's dark
when we get there. Him and I get out of
the truck. We parked where we're going to set up

(43:42):
our camp and everything, our tent, and him and I
get out, and of course we do the things you
do after a long trip, found the facilities and opened
up a beer meet him. Both are drinking a beer
and hear this rock from up on top of this
hill here and my son looks at me. Hear that,
and I go, yeah, I did. He goes, man, He goes,

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that was a rock. He goes, think there's deer up
there kicking up rocks. I was like, I don't know,
so I would think that they would be bedded down.
I don't know if that would be an ideal spot
up there. I really haven't been up there. I don't
know what's up there, So we don't think nothing of it.
We continue to listen. Actually that made us go get flashlights.
So we went to get flashlights and we walked back
out the road. We're standing there. We don't hear any

(44:24):
more noise from up on top of that hill, and
we go about our business. Then the other guys starts
showing up, and the last guy to show up, Brian,
he pulls up, he gets out, he goes there's something
up there making noise, and my son he walks over

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there and they're talking, and my son and told him, yeah,
we heard rocks calling off up there too, So we
don't think anything of it. There's something up there. It's
deer season. There's something up there, for sure, don't think
anything of it. Nothing really happened a twenty twenty three
year other than those rocks. Now we go to twenty
twenty four, and I I'd seen another UFO in the

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span of time. I actually called this one into the
police and reported this one, and it was another crazy thing.
And the reason why I bring up the whole UFO
if I've heard you other guys talk about how maybe
there's some kind of correlation or something there. I don't know.

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I don't know if there's anything there or not. But anyway,
I called and reported that one seeing it. So we
get to twenty twenty four last year, which turns out
to be exactly thirty years from my experience. I really
am after thinking about it, let me before I go

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into that, hold on just one second. I've got to
back up just a little bit. This hunting partner that
I'm talking about. That I come across the whole thing
of the Sasquatch and all that was brought up by
a guy. I told you what my mom did. You
know what I grew up with and had seen over

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in my young life growing up. I'd moved to another
I've got to tell this because this is what starts
the whole thing. I worked for this body shop. They
closed it down. I leave, I work at a few
other places. I get hired on by a national size
automotive shop, and I end up going through a few shops,

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and I end up at the shop I had worked
at under these independent people in this particular company had
bought that shop. So I wanted to go back there
and just see what it was like and see what
this new company did and how they fix everything up.
So I go back to that shop. At that old shop,
me and this guy used to play these jokes on

(46:58):
each other, and we would try to sneak up on
each other and scare each other. Me and him both
would come and work early and all that. Even on
weekends we would work. I kept catching these things out
of corner of my eye and the shop, and it
got so bad. See sometimes I would think it would
be him, and I would go and look and there
would be nothing there. And I can't tell you how

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many times this happened. This happened so much, and the
last time just broke the whole thing. And that's when
I went into the office when everybody got there, and
asked him what the hell was going on the last time.
I'm in this room and I'm doing my job and
I see something out of corner of my eye and
I thought, okay, I got you now. And I thought
it was this guy that I worked with, thought he

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was sneaking up on me. So I walk out of
this room. I go to this bench and I'm completing
what I'm doing and I was catch him again coming
around the corner and I take off running after him.
I go, I got you this time. And I'd go
running around that corner and I run out into the
open shop and all the lights are off. There ain't
nobody there, and I'm standing there. I'm like, okay, enough enough.

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I've seen all that stuff as a kid. You know
that that stuff scares me because I was around that.
I've seen things like that. And I go and ask
to tell the boss lady what was going on. She
goes like, oh, you've seen so and so. I'm like,
hold on a minute, you mean to tell me you
guys have a ghost kicking around this place? And here
I've been seeing this thing for the four and a

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half years i've worked here, and never no one's ever
said anything. Anyway, She goes out of business. I leave.
I end up coming back when it's under new ownership
and there's guys there, and I'm there a week I
don't want to say anything too weird, too crazy, but
I don't want to think I'm a weirdo. So I
say something to them guys. I go, hey, I go,

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or any of you guys seeing anything around here out
of the corner of your eye to come up here
and work on the weekend or something like that. The
one guy, he's he pays attention to what I'm saying,
and he's stopped. That's what he's doing, and he's looking
at me, and he goes, what do you mean? He
had an apprentice and his apprentice stopped and he's looking

(49:08):
at me. The other guy he's what do you mean?
I go, man, I go, I told him the whole story.
I just told you. Everybody said that same thing, and
he laughed and he blew it off. I'm nuts. He
makes a statement, he goes, do you ever have rockstorming
at you in the woods? And it freaking triggered something

(49:32):
in my mind, and I was like, as a matter
of fact, I have. And the guy's name's Lane. I
won't say his last name. His name is Lane. He's
the one that started this whole thing four and a
half years ago. But anyway, now getting onto the rest
of it, I after him saying that this thing popped
up on my phone and it happened to be Miguel's

(49:55):
channel and I'll be darned if it's not talking about place.
And I made a comment on there and he got
ahold of me, sent me an email and see if
I wanted to talking. At the time, I really didn't
want to, but I told him that the story about
the rocks and it I made comments on the section there,
and I never did say tell him the story. I

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wanted to, but at the time I didn't really think
about it too much. And that one episode, for whatever reason,
I wasn't looking for anything like that that started the
whole thing. I go to another shop and I meet
my hunting partner now my buddy now and his friends,
and then okay, we do to twenty twenty three and

(50:38):
twenty twenty four. So as a few years has gone by,
and him and I were down there last year, and
that last year was the thirty year of me having
rocks thrown at me years ago down around Walfapella, so
we're all excited. Nothing there tipped me off on anything.
Him and I went down on an early Turkey season there.

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Now that was strange, but we didn't mark it off
to anything. Come to find out, this buddy mind justin.
He's big into this sasquatch and that he would listen
to podcasts. He's the one that turned me on to
some of them. I actually found your channel and turned
him onto your channel. So I just got engrossed with

(51:21):
all that. And he's big in that him and his
brother have found tracks. They have seen some things down
in an area I won't say the name of that,
which is an area where they're seen down there. There's
been experiences, lots of footprints in that. But anyway, he's
biger than that. So him and I were talking to become
good friends. We're hunting it next twenty twenty four for

(51:42):
down there first weekend. No one can show up. It's
just going to be me and him. My son at
the time had to work. My partner's buddy or his
brother wasn't able to come down, and his buddy didn't
come down but just one day, so it's just him
and either. I was worried about getting my spot, our
camping spot, so I take off and I go down

(52:05):
there ahead of time, and I sleep in my truck
and I'm there. I get down there early. I'm staying there.
I'm sleeping on my trucks running, and I'm listening to
Sasquatched Chronicles and I'm listening to all these podcasts, and
I'm thinking, man, get myself freaked out down here and
no big deal. Go to sleep, get up in the morning,

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getting all my stuff ready. My buddy justin he shows up.
He's there, he's getting all this stuff ready, and I
look for something and I can't find it, and he's
come on, man, let's go, let's go. Come on. So
I've searched several times, can't find it. So and it
really bothered me. It was a backup battery for my
phone to charge my phone because I've already listened to

(52:48):
all these darn park podcasts and all this stuff, and
I've got it in my mind that I and I
had carried a backup battery before, but I never made
it a big deal. But this time I was making
a big deal because I want to. I didn't want
my phone to go dead. And the area down there
is you get mixed signals here and there. Sometimes you
won't get nothing at all. But anyway, we get down there.

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Opening day is horrible. The wind is just so noisy.
Me and him are down there, and man, I heard
the weirdest noises that day, and he did as well.
When we had went down a little bit earlier, it
was Turkey season, it was like creepy quiet, so quiet
almost hurt your ears. And at the time I didn't
really pay much attention to it. I think he did,

(53:34):
justin did, but I didn't really pay much attention to it.
It was so quiet it hurt, that's how quiet it was.
But anyway, he didn't get a turkey. Anyway, We're in
a deer season to get down there, and it's so
when we were down at the Turkey season, I had
taken my motorcycle down and I went riding while he
was turkey on. Anyway, We're down there, we're about in

(53:54):
the field and it's the wind is blowing so and
it was it's just the craziest weird things. I start
hearing these mechanical noises, and first it was a someone
who was cutting grass, and then I hear someone weed eating,
then I hear someone cutting wood. I'm like, what is
going on around here? And where this is that it's

(54:16):
a pretty good way from anybody's place. I'm just hearing
all these different noises, and just it's all day long,
these different noises, and I'm like, I don't know, man,
that's the worst opening day of deer season I've ever
had in my life. And I keep hearing all these
weird noises. And if it wouldn't have done this last thing,

(54:42):
I wouldn't. I would have blew it off as just noise,
just wind noise to wind carrying the noise. My buddy
texted me and asked me if I've seen anything, and
I complained to him and we're both complaining nothing. This
is horrible day. This sucks. I get off the phone
with him with text message I get done, and it's
not long. We're getting ready to come on. So I

(55:03):
put my phone in my pocket, and all of a sudden,
You remember when you before they had the flip phones,
even you had the kids, and you had all these
notification noises that you could first set up for your
alarms and different things, and one of them was the
thing chimes. And I always I never did like that

(55:24):
freaking that notification bell. Never did like it. I put
my phone in my pocket and I hear that notification
that time's going off. I'm like, what, I don't have
that for anything on my phone. I reach in, I
pull out my phone and it's a black screen. And
I thought, okay, man, all right, I can explain a

(55:47):
lot of things away, and usually I do. I had
made a comment to my buddy beforehand that I told
him that I'm never going to not listen to the
sounds in the forest because I blew a lot of
things off many different times, just my mind going that way.

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You rationalize things, and you'd make an excuse for it,
or oh it's this, or oh it's that, or it
is this. And I'm looking at my phone, I'm thinking, okay,
all these noises, I've been listening to you all day.
I know This wasn't my phone. My phone doesn't make
that noise, and I just heard that. So I'm thinking, okay,
this is just this is too much. End up. I

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come down, We go out to the trail meet up.
We walk out, No big deal. We didn't hear anything.
It was just horrible day. And I tell him about
all these noises that I hear, and it was throughout
the day. It was a bunch of them. Man. I
didn't really know where to go with any of it.
It was just it was all this info in my head.
So we have great night that night, have good food

(56:52):
and drink a few beers, go to bed, and get
up in the morning and do it all over again.
We head out there and it was a better day,
better than the first day. For sure, I'm going to
get out there. I seen deer that morning. I missed
the buck that I had been watching doing something stupid

(57:13):
on this weird because if I would have stuck to
my plan, I'd got him instead. At the last second,
I decided to go twenty yards off to the other
way and he comes in behind me. I got him,
for sure. But anyway that happens, I get all bummed out.
Don't really I see four do I see this nice buck,
and it's I'm gonna walk out of there. Him and

(57:34):
I meet up. We're gonna get something neat. We're gonna
go back in and just crash out there the rest
of the day. So we do that. Get back out there,
and I go to the spot that I was at
in the morning, and I was like, okay, I'm gonna
go up on top of my this ridge that I hunt.

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This place, I love it. It's super thick and it's
some good ways back in there. And I get up.
I climb this embankment and get up on top of
the ridge. And it's a real narrow ridge and when
you get up on top of it, you've got like
ten or fifteen yards and it drops off into a

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watershed and you have all these real hog backs. And
I coming off this ridge and all these little drainers
ditches and that, and I'm looking over at that whole
watershed area, and that's where I had seen them four
doose come from. So I get up on there and
I lean up against the tree. Now I'm not there
very long, and not very long, just about got comfortable.

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I wasn't setting down my stand isn't too far behind
me and down the hill, and I'm standing there and
lean up int the tree and I'm looking up this
watershed and I catch something moving and it's between thirty
or forty yards from me, and it's dark colored, and

(59:01):
I'm looking at it and I'm watching it and watching it,
and like I said, I just about the time I
seen that thing, and I'm getting I'm feeling comfortable, not
too cold, not too warm. I walked a long ways
back in there and it's perfect. I hear awesome my left,
and here comes the most beautiful bobcat ever seen. He
comes running. Almost I almost started to make me nervous

(59:23):
because I thought he was going to run right to me,
but he wasn't looking at me, and he runs right
up till within fifteen yards of me. He goes over
and he's beside a tree and he's looking in that
same watershed that I'm looking at. I thought, oh man,
this is cool. And he was just beautiful. Now, I
say he now. At the time, I didn't realize I

(59:44):
thought it was a female. There's a difference between the
pattern on the side of him, and I hadn't seen
a bobcat a long time, and I just you rationalize things. Okay,
I'm looking at this thing up that water should when
this bobcat comes right and it's we're looking in the
same watershed and he's looking around and he sees something

(01:00:08):
and he stalks down there and he jumps down on
the watershed and goes after it and he doesn't get it,
and he turns and he walks up that watershed and
I'm watching me and he's walking up to where that
brown things. At the time, it looked real dark brown.
Then he's walking up to it. I thought, okay, we'll
see it was the weirdest thing. At first, I'm thinking,

(01:00:29):
of my mind, he's going to kick it up out
of there or something. And he walks up through there,
and he probably is. I keep saying he. At the time,
I thought it was a she, and I'll just say
it that way. I see her. She's getting there and
she's real close to this thing, and she goes straight

(01:00:49):
to her belly, drops to the ground and stares at it.
I'm thinking, oh, she's got babies up there. It must
be her baby or something. Maybe she's going up there
and check her on. And I don't know why I
even thought that because the thing that I'm looking at
is it looks small, but I can't see all of it.
And I'm looking at it's like, man, I don't even know.
And she just drops to the ground and I'm watching her,

(01:01:10):
and she stares at that thing for a little bit
and she turns and she starts snaking down through there,
and she's going close to the ground and she's coming
right back down toward me, and she gets right across
from me. And she gets right across from me, and
she gets across from me. I hear footsteps and at

(01:01:34):
first I thought, okay, I got a deer coming up
on me. But it wasn't a deer. It was a
bipedal steps. And I'm leaning up the tree I'm leaning
up against. I just leaned back and I rolled my
head down and I'm looking down the ridge and I'm
looking to see what it is. And I'm looking at
or what's coming at me, and I don't see nothing.
There's nothing. It should have been right there that cat

(01:01:56):
was staring at. It was staring that way at that thing. Anyway,
I'm looking up and I don't see anything. And in
between where I'm looking atop of the ridge and down
where the cat is in the watershed. There's a little
bit of brush and brambles and through there, and whatever
I heard could have been going right into that area
and I couldn't see it, but it's close. It was
super close to me. Not as close as that cat got.

(01:02:20):
But when I first heard that cat walking to me,
that's about what it sounded like off through my right.
So I'm staring down down that way for a long time.
I say a long time, maybe a minute and a
half or something, and nothing moves, and I lean back
forward and I look at that cat, and that cat
staring at me. So me and him we stare at
each other for a minute, and then he just disappears,

(01:02:43):
still standing by this tree, and I'm still I can
see this brown thing up this creek and I'm watching it,
and it's it's playing on the ground, is what I'm watching.
It looks like it's you know, a cat, like a kitten,
and they'll play with a ball and they go around
on the floor and they're their paws are all over
the place, almost kind of I couldn't see a face,

(01:03:07):
but whatever it was doing something, whatever it was doing
something up there, and it's on the ground and I'm
still thinking in my mind it must be a couple
of kittens, bobcats kittens. And I'm watching this thing. And
I'm watching this thing, and this woodpecker goes off. He
does five times and then it's like a mouth pop.
It's a I thought, boy, he hit something hard, didn't

(01:03:29):
he And I'm look around and then he takes flight
and he's not too far from him. He takes flight
and he goes across that watershed about where that cat was.
He gets on the tree and I'm watching him and
he goes run to the backside the tree. I can't
see him, and he starts packing thick how they are.
As soon as he hits five times and he hits three,

(01:03:55):
I'm like, well, that's strange. He hits something hard again.
I'm thinking, wait a minute, what am I listening to
you here? And he takes flight and he flies off,
and I'm trying to wrap my head around what I'm
what I just heard and seen. And I'm in in
front of me about there's two rock clacks clack and

(01:04:17):
then clack clack. I'm like, that's rock clacks. Oh, I
got goosebumps right now. And I'm standing there, and the
first thing in my mind was I looked down to
that watershed and they had a record rain down there.
I have all the years I hunted down there, I've
never seen all the rocks in the watershed, okay, because
it's always been leaf littered, right, I look down into

(01:04:39):
that creek and it's a whole creek full of freaking rocks.
I'm like, don't you dare do nothing? Because now I've
done listen to all these podcasts and that, and I've
listened to all these people in their accounts, and I
tell myself, I'm not gonna not pay attention to the
sounds of the now. My mind is like crazy, and
I'm like, oh man, So I just stood there and

(01:05:01):
I tried not to let anything bother me. I didn't
make a noise. I'm just sitting there. I'm thinking myself, man,
with you, I'm just going to stay here and just
act like I don't even Everything is fine, everything's coach cool.
And I go back to looking at that thing, and
I don't hear no more noise coming from that little
area off to my right, and I get the idea

(01:05:22):
that I'm going to where that cat had stopped at
and was buy that tree. I'm going to go to
that spot and I'm going to look up this cree.
It gets me a little closer to this thing. So
I do that. I walk to that tree and I'm
staring at it for a minute and looking at it,
and I reach down and I feel for my from
a binoculars. Don't have them. I feel my other pocket

(01:05:47):
from a rangefinder. I ain't got that neither. I'm like, okay, yeah, great,
I always had that stuff with me. I never not
have that on me. One or the other of them?
Are both of them? I'm thinking, damn it. So I'm
sitting there and I'm looking up there and I'm watching
this thing. And I watch it now I can see
it a little better, and I'm still I'm not seeing
a face. I'm not seeing anything. Whatever it is. It

(01:06:08):
looks like it's playing around. And then it almost looks
like there was two of them, but I'm just gonna
say that there was one. I even made the comment
to friends that I seen two cats playing, two kittens playing.
I told my sister that, but I away, I'm looking
at this thing, and man, my mind is just going crazy.
What the hell am I looking at? Here? I do
the one thing I've never done. I know better. I

(01:06:33):
can tell you this that will never happen again. I
do a stupid thing. I don't realize it's a stupid
thing until after I pull up my rifle and I
put my rifle on that thing, and I'm trying to
see it, and I wear glasses. I've got a big scope,
so I pull up on it and I'm looking that

(01:06:56):
way and I can't see anything. So I dropped my
gun down a little bit. See where I got the
power set? Oh maybe I got turned up two hours something.
And I put my glasses up on top of my
hat and I pulled my rifle again. I'm looking in
there and I'm looking and I'm looking and I'm looking,
and I can't find nothing. I've dropped my rifle down again.
I put my glasses back on. I turned it all
the way down as far as it will go, and

(01:07:17):
I pulled my rifle back up. I'm like, this is
too weird. It's and I got my rifle up right
at it, and I can I'm not looking through the scope.
I'm looking down the scope and I'm watching this thing.
I put my scope back up and I can't see it.
I'm like, what is this? And then I do it
again and I can't see it. I'm looking and I
just start getting methodical about where I'm looking at. I

(01:07:40):
can't see it in the scope, but when I dropped
my gun down, I'm looking at it. So the last
time I dropped my gun and I'm looking at it
over the top of my rifle and I'm thinking, I
what is this? I don't even know. At three four,
the sun the sky opened up a little bit and

(01:08:03):
the sun come down and its shining right down through
the woods. And actually I got a little what I'm
telling you right now took place before I pulled the
scope up on him and tried to see this thing.
The sun come down through there, and it's shining right
where that thing's at. And I'm looking at this thing,

(01:08:24):
and I see this thing. It didn't have a foot
on the end of it, and it didn't have a
hand on it on the end of it. Okay, this
thing stands up like angels are singing. Oh. And I
can see through the hair of it, and it's a
chestnut color and here's about two and a half inches long,

(01:08:45):
and it's a tanish colored skin and I'm looking at
I'm thinking, what does that. I'm thinking, wait, man, i've
seen a bobcat. That's not a bobcat, because it must
be a tail of something. That's when I pulled my
rifle up down looking and then the clouds go back
and the sun's gone, and I go through the whole
thing with the scope right and I've hold on the
last time, and I'm looking at it and I the

(01:09:06):
last time I do that. And I did that maybe
four or five times, trying to see this. I'd taken
my glasses off once put them back on. I can't
see it, and I'd start to drop my rifle and
from the property that I used to lead, I hear
this and it's the words, and I'm thinking, and I

(01:09:32):
turned and looked up the valet. I'm thinking, man, that
sounds like my old hunting spot. I wonder if someone
is It almost sounded like I got a deer or
something or celebrate. And I'm thinking, damn, man, that was
my old hunting spot up there. And I don't think
nothing of it, nothing at all. And I was like, man,
it almost sounds like someone bitching at somebody, and I, man,

(01:09:52):
it's getting late and something told me, and listening to
all this stuff, and I'm thinking, you know what, I'm
not staying out here in the dark. I can't run,
I can't run away from anything. I got a bum leg.
So I'm like, I'm just gonna come out of here early.
And I text my buddy Justin and I tell them like, hey, man,
I'm coming out. I'm not staying so dark. I'm coming out.
And he's because I'm meekamp trail. So I start, I

(01:10:13):
come down off this ridge and walking through the creek bottom.
I get to a dry, dry creek bed. I'm going
to step. Get my stepping it's stuck down into that
creek and here this thing let's off and it is Man,

(01:10:35):
I have grew up on a place I've I've called
the owls my whole life. My favorite is a barred owl.
I can get them cackling. It will sound like a
whole forest full of monkeys. Man, the owls that we
have around here. If you've never heard one, you would
swear that it's a monkey, as you would swear that

(01:10:55):
it's one. So I know what barn oles, I know
it barred owls. I know what the sounds of the
woods are and I'm getting ready to step down in there,
and here it goes off the biggest barn awl I've
ever heard in my life, and in my mind it's
it's ten foot tall, and it's got a lung capacity
like a freaking elephant man, and it is so deep.

(01:11:19):
I'm just like, don't you dare WoT at it? Don't
you dare? Who back to that thing that's not an owl?
And I'm just froze, and I'm freaked out. I'm froze,
and I'm like, and it's close, it's close. I still
haven't even got across this creek. I haven't got down

(01:11:41):
in the creek yet. And I still got about thirty
yards ago before I even step out onto the trail,
and maybe forty yards even. I'm like, ho week, how
I got my rifle on my hand. I clicked the
safety off. I was like, okay, as we're doing this, man,
And finally I can unfreeze a little bit and I

(01:12:02):
can move and I take a step. I get down
in the creek and I'm beelining for that trail and
I know sooner step out on the trail. I looked
to my left down the trail and ibout one hundred
and seventy five hundred and fifty maybe two hundred yards away,
and probably wasn't that. But there's my buddy standing on
the trail. I step out on the trail, look at him,

(01:12:22):
and I know Sue look at him, and hear it,
who's at me again? And it seemed like he was
thirty yards right in front of me. And I look
back up the trail and I'm like, holy cow, that's
right there, man, it is right there. And I've got
my rifle in my hand. I'm looking that way. I
turned to look over my shoulder to see what my

(01:12:43):
buddy's doing, and he's staring off of the other way.
He's staring up off of the ridge that he was
hunting on, and he's staring that way. I'm thinking, oh, man,
what's he staring at. I turned back around and hear
this thing yells at me again and it is the
deepest I can tell you what it says. Guy who's
got a video out, and it's a kid who's on

(01:13:03):
his uncle's farm and he's picking mushrooms and he finds
a mushroom that's got a bite out of it, and
he stands up and this thing yells at it, that
is what yelled at me, but mine was more of
a baritone base, real super deep. And it said a word.
I don't have no idea what it said, but it
yells at me, and it said that word, and I

(01:13:24):
put the safety on my rifle. I shouldered my rifle
and I put my hands out. I was like, listen,
I'm sorry. Then it's dawning on me. Maybe it's from
listening to me podcasts, I don't think. So I shouldered
my rifle, I put my hands out. I told him
I was sorry. I wasn't gonna shoot it. I'm thinking
whatever I seen was a baby one is what I think.

(01:13:47):
I think, and the reason that I went back at
a later date to see what was there and what
it was in was an old tree that was rotted.
I'm just thinking that maybe it was they left there
during the day. There's a hidden pond not too far
from there. We didn't find a huge twisted tree, which

(01:14:07):
I don't know if I got a chance to send
you the picture of it yet. I have a picture
of it. It's not too far from where this happened.
But I apologize told him I had no intentions of
shooting anything. I couldn't see it. I just backed out
of there a little bit. I finally turned and I'd
be lyining for him. And now as I'm approaching him,

(01:14:30):
he finally takes his eyes back off the ridge and
he's looking at me. I get close to him. He's, man,
will you do alcohols? I'm going no, he's what. He goes,
you weren't doing alcohols. I'm like, no, I wasn't. Man.
I go, did you just hear that all up there?
He goes no. I go, you didn't hear that monster
awl up there, that great big, that ten foot tall
barn aisle. He's no, I go, did you hear the

(01:14:51):
guy yell at me? He goes no, And he didn't
hear that either. And we weren't that far apart from
each other, and he goes, dude, He goes, I thought
you were I'll call and he goes, there was an
howl around me that sounded just like you. He goes that, bard,
I'll call that you do. He said it sounded just
like you. I go, you're kidding me. He says no, man,
he goes, I heard it multiple times. He goes, that's

(01:15:13):
what I was looking at he goes, because when I
was in the stand or in my place, he goes
at hooted at me, and he goes, it was hooting
at me. Then I'm like, oh man, that's just too weird.
We get out of there, We talk about it a
little bit. Things kind of start gelling. After the fact,

(01:15:33):
I start thinking about all the things and noises that
I had heard that chimes I marked it off. Is
that what that notification was, what I came to realize was,
is that the song of my buzzer in my truck
sounds just like that we had been down there before.

(01:15:53):
Like I said, I heard a motorcycle and all that.
Then all this stuff starts down on me. I'm thinking
all the noises that I heard were the noises that
that me and him, my son and all of us
have made down there. I know I might be reaching,
just grabbing a little bit of straws, but it's just
hold on a minute, man, just hold on. It's too much.

(01:16:16):
It's just like overload. Me and him, we talked about
it for the course of the year. When we start
talking about going, want to go someplace else, finding a
place not so crazy. I want to enjoy myself. That
that's not enjoyable. Be careful the things that you wish for.
I can't say that's what I've seen, but I can
tell you this. I pointed a gun at something and
something got mad about it, and it came to me

(01:16:40):
that it came to me, and it let me know.
It seemed me do that. I don't know how. I
had no idea how it felt that maybe whatever it
was beside me or real there close to me, maybe
it was maybe the mother. I never did see her.
I know the noises that she made. You know that
the mouth pops and the rock clocks younger experience with

(01:17:03):
heaving rocks, throw it at me. I didn't do anything.
Then I thought I got a whole creek full of rocks.
They'll kill me. That was just the whole place is
where we leave out of there. We wanted to get
another spot, so not too long ago, a couple of
months ago, we head down to it's around Duke, Missouri area,
in that area right there, not too far from Fort

(01:17:23):
Lnderwood Army Days, Mark Twain National Forest, and me and
him we laugh about this because you can't even make
this up. Me and him, we go down there. We
go to look for a spot where it's not so active,
where we can feel comfortable. We go down there and
we find it, right, We find this real cool spot
and we walk back in there and we find it all.

(01:17:44):
It's great. It's a wonderful spot. I've already got thinking
where I'm putting my ten at. And we look around.
We find that there's a little pond and all this stuff,
and this is great. This is going to be our
backup spot. Something crazy happens over there, we can come
over here. We will make this primary spot and make
that secondary spot, right man. And we're talking and we're

(01:18:06):
talking about how much we like this place, and we're
walking out of all of a sudden, this this noise.
I don't know. He said it sounded like a broke
a broken branch, to like something breaking a branch. What
I heard it almost sounded like like when you put
a mouth reading you go to cluck for a turkey.
You're getting up to that. It was like at the
end before you go blow. It was that last cluck.

(01:18:28):
It was like a cluck and then the freaking it clashed,
and then it was quiet, and me and him both
we freezing our footsteps. I pull out my camera. I'm
starting to videotape. He pulls out his pistol, he racks
her shell, and we're standing there and we're just froze,
and I'm panning around and I'm thinking we just walked

(01:18:48):
out of the woods coming. So I slowly turned. I'm
looking down the road and I'm like, I might not
see it, but maybe I can pick up something. You know,
me and are quite hopeful of this. We stand here
for a minute and he's he gives me his phone.
He does a few things give back to him. He
turns and looks at me. He goes, you do know

(01:19:10):
that you hear a noise like that? I gotta go see.
I gotta go see what's over there. I'm like, cooky,
all right, guess see, all right, but I go, I'm
just gonna stand right here. I can see the truck.
I'm worth forty yards from truck, fifty yards from the truck.
I'm just gonna stand right here. And so he walks
off into the woods and he gets a little ways
from me, and I see him walking around. I make

(01:19:30):
some jokes. I'm videotape and he might go, oh there
he goes as he's walking away, justin is big guy,
and I'm just chuckling to myself, and then he goes, hey, Matt,
come here and look at this, and every time he
does that, I'll go, okay, I'm coming over there. So
I start heading toward him and shut my phone off.

(01:19:51):
Walk over there, and he's videotaping something on the ground
right and he's looking at you. What do you think
about this? And I look and I go about that,
and he turns and looks towards me and there's this
fred footstone looking fucking a footprint right there. It's about
fourteen inches long, about six to eight inches wide. It

(01:20:11):
wasn't real big. I'm sitting there, I'm looking at it,
and the problem was for me personally. He's got it
all on. He was videotaping it, and I couldn't feel
or see a distinct toe in it, the toes. So
I'm looking at it and he goes, man, I didn't
even see that he's videotaping. I'm looking at it. I
was like, man, I'm not going to say that's a footprint.

(01:20:34):
I can't feel the toes in it. You can't really
see it. It could have been a squirrel. He goes, okay,
and he goes, what about this one, And I'll be darned,
it wasn't eighteen inches away from it, there's this footprint
it would be like my left foot. And it wasn't big.
It was twelve inches long, matter of fact, and the
same size as my foot with a shoe on. I

(01:20:56):
put my foot beside it. That's about the same size
as my foot's. He goes, but look at these other
three prints, and he shows me. I'm like, oh wow,
look at that. And it was like it playing it
on its left foot, and it was like it was
going in another direction. Now, the big footprint that I
found that was fresh. These other footprints they were old.

(01:21:20):
They were in the ground and they were old. So
I'm looking at it and he's and he's videotaping where
it goes. So I'm like okay. And I put my
hand down in there. And another thing. Didn't take pictures
of it. He did. He videotaped it. I put my
hand down in there, and I couldn't feel any COEs.
I couldn't see him. But it's a depression in the dirt.

(01:21:41):
It was. It happened whenever it was wet, So I
was like, okay, So I picked up my foot. I
put my foot in there, and it was a dead
ringer for my foot. I'm like, damn, my foot, that's right,
and they're perfect. So I look off to my right
to where that other one is, and like I said, man,
I got thirty six inch in scene. I've got a
big long step. So I got my foot in there,

(01:22:01):
and I go to put my reach out with my
right foot and I stepped as far as I almost
pulled my groin muscles. I couldn't hardly make it to
the other track, and that was jumping pushing myself off
with my left foot. Matter of fact, it was so
far and it hurt a degree that I didn't even
try to put my left foot in that other footprint.
And the weird thing is we didn't mean him. We

(01:22:23):
didn't see that. What's strange is what took place for
us to walk forty feet off the woods, off the
road into the woods and to find this. And it's
just the weirdest thing what started it off. Here We're
wanting to go somewhere and not have any crazy things happening,
and then we're scout in this area and then this

(01:22:45):
happens and we find these footprints, and those were my
first footprints that I've ever seen. He's got pictures of
one that he's found, but I'm looking at those ones
that I put my foot in. And it was the
craziest thing. Because people say they walk like on a
tight rope. I couldn't. There's that was almost like I said,
the third footprint, I wasn't going to be able to

(01:23:06):
put my foot in it. We don't walk like that.
The man. They were in perfect line with each other,
Jess and I wish I would have measured it or something.
All I can tell you is that they were far apart,
and I don't know if it was running. I had
no idea. Could have been someone. Yeah, maybe it would
have to have been a big old boy with big

(01:23:27):
long legs with a pair of boots on. We didn't
see it. I don't know. I don't know, man. Sorry,
I didn't stop too much there to let you have
if you want to ask you so, you're good.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
I just is this one of those things where the
story needs to deeds to be told, and sometimes that's
what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
No, man, Wow, And there's just more. There's more than that.
I've been standing on down at Stockton Lake. Me and
an old buddy mine. He's in his seventies and him
and I are were standing there. We're doing work for
the city of Greenville and we're standing down there and
we leave our little hotel room. We go down to
the water and we're down there and I'm drink a

(01:24:11):
few beers and he and it's getting late at night.
It's there, we're going to have a few more beers
and we're going back crash out, but we wanted to
see the water. He looks at me, Hey, man, do
one of them do one of your alcohols? And I
let off Usually if I get a few beers and
I can really let one go. Man, I let off
this bard alcohol. And I kid you not. The thing
that answered me was a gorilla. It did not answer

(01:24:34):
me as another owl. This thing answered me. It just
and it just freaked out. It had a freak out
over my alcohol. And he looks at me and he goes,
that was a freaking gorilla. Man, let's get out of here.
And when we finished our beer and we went back
to our hotel room. That's pretty funny. But I didn't
think anything of that then, you know what I mean?

(01:24:56):
That was the farthest thing from my mind. I never
even I don't know, man, I just think about all
the stuff over the years and the things that that
I and have heard, and I've heard many of your
guests say some things that just all fall along and
you're like, hey, wait a minute, it's man.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
It takes me a few minutes to just think about
the entire scope of what you just shared. And there's
a lot, a lot to it. And would you say,
is it sounds like you have other stuff going on
as well?

Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
From no? No? Absolutely, yeah, absolutely. You had a guy
on there up there by bush Wildlife. I made a
comment on there about here and hearing the noise. Listen,
I know that now, I know that people other people
up there have heard noises up there. Okay, the noise
I heard up there was in the middle of wintertime,
and it was in the teens and we had been

(01:25:54):
drawn for a specialty hunt, a bow hunt, and I
was walking in between two of these lakes time and
I'm going back to my stand. It's in the middle
of night, no flashlight, like an idiot. There was snow
on the ground and it was cold, real cold. And
I got in between them two lakes and I'm approaching
the creepiest area right before my stand that you could

(01:26:15):
possibly walk through. I'm getting ready to go into that area,
and I'm thinking, man, that's a creepy spot. I hate
the spot. I take one step and this thing lets
off in screams. I listen. I almost peed myself standing there.
And I stood there for a long time, and I
a long time, A very long time. I stood there

(01:26:36):
before I got up enough courage to go to my
sand and that in the evening, I said it to
my buddies, you know what I heard? And my buddy goes, oh,
that was the ice, And I'm thinking, you know what,
there was big cracks in that ice. Maybe the ice
will shifting and screaming. Listen. I don't know if that's
what it was. I had no idea. That's why I
marked it off as But there's all kinds of strange

(01:26:58):
stuff up there. Man, I guess I've been whistled by.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
This is one of those episodes that gets me because
I feel like we could continue this because we are
just getting into an area where there's a lot going on,
and then maybe we can have some discussion as well.
I don't know if you'd be yes, you'd feel.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
I've got a question for you. I've got a big
question for you. I listen to a lot of your stuff.
Is there something that you're putting together as far as
mineral features in areas put things? Does that sound so?

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
No, I'm starting to look into the correlation between magnetic
anomalies and bigfoot hotspots on the side. Yeah, ok yeah,
look up maps of magnetic anomalies they have the US
government has those. You can find out and it will
really open your eyes when you start looking at certain
areas and you're, oh, that makes sense, that's a bigfoot area.

(01:27:57):
So yeah, check that out.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
No, I will definitely do that. That's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
Absolutely, But Matt, let's be in touch. I think we
need to continue this conversation for sure, because I've been
making that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
I've got some pictures coming to you. Okay, I'm gonna
try to get my see my buddy if he's what
he's he says he hasn't looked at too much of
what he videotaped that day. Well, if I can get
that from him, I know I can even a picture.
I'll send you the pictures.

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
Yeah, anything you can send, we definitely check it out. Yeah,
But yeah, I think I think, Matt, we're looking at
a part two here. It's going to continue.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
Oh man, that sounds great. Man. Hopefully not too much
where I hunt at dang it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
But I thank you so much for coming on and
for sharing. Thank you for your story so far is incredible.
Just to say, I've never heard an account where someone
has seen a young one like that's just an incredible account.
And I do really want to continue this. Feel free
to set up a second time as you did the

(01:29:05):
first one. And yeah, we will definitely continue this conversation
and have some discussion about what's gone on so far.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
Hey, that sounds good man. I appreciate it very much,
and I'll be talking to me, dear Mayah, Buddy, I'll
see you later.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
Thanks, Yes, sir, you have a good one. We will
be in touch, all right, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
We definitely will, Durremiah, I'll see later, buddy, you got it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're
in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've
seen something that no one can explain, or if you're
a National park ranger, a forestry worker who's been told
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(01:30:12):
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If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a
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(01:30:33):
anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,
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