Shawnee Woman Reveals Southeast Ohio Bigfoot Encounter That Will Change Your Beliefs

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.
In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to
bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've
seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers
to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,
and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

(00:20):
These are the voices of the people who've lived it.
To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that
just might change the way you see the woods forever.
So stay with us, all right, Big for Society. You've
got the privilege of talking to Donna Coopus today from
down there in the great state of Ohio, and welcome

(00:41):
to the show. Donna. How are you doing today, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
I'm doing pretty good. Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Absolutely a little background about how we got connected. Donna
had heard my episode where I talked to mister Brian Sawyer,
and then after that there was a connection that was
made and then here we are today. Donna's wanting to
share some things that she has experienced over the years.

(01:09):
Welcome to the show, of course, and anything else that
you would want to share for background before we get
started today, Donna, I.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Guess just I'm a Shawnee descent. I lived in the
country in the whole life. My dad was a hunter,
trapper doug Roots. He was worn in a little cabin
back actually in the woods Fastilius. That sounds that he
was born in nineteen twenty seven, So his home was
actually a cabin deep in the woods. And he grew

(01:38):
up hunting and fishing, and that was their way of life.
They grew everything that they needed. And then I proceeded
from there. I was on a three hundred acre farm
that basically provided everything we needed. We had the orchards,
we had eleven acres of berries. The animals were the cattle,
the pigs, chickens. Everything we needed came from the farm.

(02:02):
So that's how I grew up. And then I left
that home from the home for my children and another
big farm. And I've always been in the country and
I'm still deep in the country and in the woods.
And then, like I said, I'm Shawnee. So the watchers
has I don't call them bigfoot or Sasquatch. I call
them the watchers. That's far away and that's how my

(02:25):
story begins.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Would it be something where you would want to share
your name that's attached to your Shawnee heritage as well?
Totally up to you.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Absolutely. I am Wabbi a Yappia Tamponia. I am the
white wolf woman. And as my grandmother called me, the
dream walker, the dream walkers, I walked in my sleeve, soay,
she'll be said, I walked between the worlds and how
I am. I to add, also interacted with the watchers
as my grandmother did. This is generation to generate, it's not.

(03:00):
It wasn't uncommon for us. And the first time I
saw the watchers, I was six years old and there
was a county fair in town. And Dad had his rules.
I was always taking care of them at me. But
if you wanted something, you had to be responsible. You
had to work for so much of that money or

(03:21):
for what you wanted. You had to be productive, so
I might like I said, my dad was a hunter trappery,
dug roots or every kind of roots, and we would
ship them at the end of the year. That was
part of our income. On this day, the fair had
been there, and which I loved the fair. I wanted
to do that was one of my big things. And
the pony cart races. I love those. So Dad's okay,

(03:45):
I'll take you know, I'll take out and you can
you can do roots. And that was going to be
my money for the fair. And that morning I was
all excited and I'm running around like crazy getting all
the chores done because I had to feed the chickens
and get the cap speed bottle cabs usansithy and with
a bottle, and so I hurried around because I didn't

(04:06):
want to I didn't want to be bad and like,
get to go. And when I got down to feed
the chicken, we had an old set in hen that
was mean or oh my god, she's just pitched pieces
all of you, and so I skirt her down around her.
I got everything done, got the eggs gathered, and grabbed
my feet sacks and the mattic and so madic and
you did bose roots with and I headed back to

(04:30):
dying Pearl died. He was still at the breakfast table.
He was drinking his last of his coffee and I
was like a kid, been all excited. I was like,
I want to go and to go, so finally he
just gave up. But he always gave in to me. Honestly,
I was terribly pulled, and so I always had real,
really long hair. My grandma would braid it real tight.
He ruffled my hair up and he's, aw, now come on,

(04:51):
we'll go. So we went. We went deep back into
the woods and got back here and there's a big
patch of yellow root. That's what we was going to
do get day. It's called it's golden sealed, but we
call it gallery. And you have to separate the roots
from the tops. Dad did most of the dig and
I dug some, but mostly I just cleaned it. I
separated and roots win one bag and the tops and

(05:14):
the other because they sold separate. And we've been doing
that for a good long time. And finally that's that
chewed tobacco. But we raised tobacco. We I had Acory
joined the farm, and he would go to the barn
and get the long green and he would chew that.
He wore bed. So he went over, he took his
tobacco out, and he got up and walked over. There's

(05:35):
a stump close by, and he laid down on that
stump and then he said, now come on, we're gonna go.
And of course I'm grumbling. I don't want to go,
because he's this is my money for the fare, and
I'm gonna make sure I got enough. And he said,
now come on. I said, we're gonna go, and I
knew when he said that the tone changed, so you
knew that was it. You're want to go. And I

(05:57):
got up in a steel point and digna in the
dirt and pull on his hand. He took my hand
because I shoot, it's like I said, come on. And
as we walked away, I turned and I looked back
and there's right, no more than thirty feet from where
we were sating digging, this huge black figure stood up

(06:18):
and he took up tobacco, and of course he scared
me to death. I'd never seen him before. And I
took that and just headed back up through the cliffs,
just walking up through there and nonshown as can be.
Of course, I'm scared, and that's that. Come on now,
he said, he won't bother you if you don't bother him.
I'm on us go. And that was my first experience

(06:41):
with the Watchers, and I believe that was my introduction
from God to show me and teach me, because from
then on I got taught the ways and respect and
how to deal with them and their markers and all
the things that they did. And I grew up with
them being part of my life and I was part

(07:03):
of their So that was my first experience and it
continued and it still does to this day. I still
have interactions with them. I grew up on that farm
with them being there and dough my life on my farm.
Our farms are more than six miles apart from each other,
so we were fairly close. And the whole area is

(07:26):
just woods and we got fields. But I grew up
playing in the woods. That was my thing is run
to the bar and jump on the pony, go to
the woods. I could run and play back. Then if
I bothered you and you were saved. And the woods
where I playground. And so that's how my life began.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Wow, I have some questions for you right off the bat.
I know we're just getting into it. So this area
we're talking about right now, where this interaction happened. This
is southeast Ohio, right right? Gotcha? Is it a thing
where we are We're leaving it. We're leaving the location

(08:06):
a little vague as we'll just say, Southeast Ohio. That's
our comfort level. Okay, very good. Right now about this
interaction was the tobacco. Do you think that the pack
was left there as a gift or was it something
where your father had just left it there and then
the watchers swooped in and pretty much took it and
then left.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
No, it was a gift, because we do gifting in
the tobacco was a big part. Of course, tobacco and
Native American ceremony is a big combination. Of course, this
mud use a sage, sweet grass seed or the ghostberries,
and tobacco is a big part. And so a tobacco
offering is a sign of respect and that dad would

(08:51):
do that. And of course my grandmother she makes or
she made I'm sorry she passed away, but homemade apple cakes.
This is a cake, homemade case and you cook the
apples and it is put into there and then the
icing for the cake is like you may come made
apple sauce. So it's basically very sweet and a very

(09:12):
huge pan. But it's our offerings. There's other things we do.
It's not just these two things. But that was that's
offering that day.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Very interesting was the tobacco packaged in any certain way
when it was left as a gift to the watcher.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
No, because we, like I said, we grew tobacco. So
when you cut the tobacco. I don't know if you
know anything about tobacco farming or not, but when you
cut your tobacco, you cut the stalks and then you
spear it onto the tobacco sticks and you hang it
in the barn where it dries, and then it's taken down.
It's stripped into three different grades for selling. And so

(09:52):
Dad would always save some of that because it chewed tobacco.
He never smoked. Everybody with chew tobacco. And the long
green that's what we call it as the tobacco plants
are long green. Yeah, and so no, he would just
go out and pick the leaves off and he'd fold
them and twist them. He'd fold them down and then
do a twist. And that was your chewing tobacco. And

(10:16):
it's very bitter, I'll be honest. It's not like the
store bought tobacco that you bought. It's different because they
put the they process it when they sell it in
the stores. This was in process. This is straight long green.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Born that's so interesting. This comes up a lot in
recent more modern day interviews where people are still doing
this gifting Fashionedually it's packet in some sort of I
guess it's not given in the same way that you
would be doing unprocessed, because it's more like in a
little bag, I think. Anyways, this is very interesting. It

(10:51):
literally picked up the folded over leaves and then just
walked off into the woods with them.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, okay, but I honestly, like I said, I think
that was dad's dad's way of introducing me, because he
interacted with him some of the time he was a child.
He'd actually told me about his first interaction with when
he was little, because, like I said, he grew up
a cabin he grew up in. It sets deep in
the woods and there's some mountain there. And of course

(11:22):
back then nineteen twenty said, there's no indoor plumbing. Water
come from the spring. That's you know, had the outhouse
or whatever. And he was little and he said he
had to go bathroom. So his mom had taken him outside.
He says, only like three or four, and she had
taken him out to the bathroom and it was dark
as nighttime, and she hadn't taken him all the way
to the outhouse. She'd take him over to the edge

(11:43):
of the yard. And he said he was there and
then this huge just like with me, this huge black
figure had loomed over top of him. And of course
he's used the baby, this little boy, and I was
scared that ageminees out of it a way, he said it.
And he said his mom just walked over and she

(12:05):
stopped him up in her arms and said she put
her hand up, pull them up and held her hand
out and said, no, my baby. And he said this,
he described the same thing. Excuse me, huge black figure, Harry,
And they said he it just walked back up into

(12:27):
the woods and walked away. But he said that was
the first time he had saw them. But he grew
up with his mom interacting with them too. He told
stories about my grandmother with Shawnee. We always raised our
animals and food came from the earth. But in the summertime,

(12:48):
you pick greens and you get like the wild green
onions and the shawnee let us, you know, the dandelion greens.
That kind of stuff was just a whole multitude of
different plants that you eat. And she liked those, the
wild onions, and it was a wild onion patch that
wasn't too far away, and he said she would go
there to get the onions. And while she would be

(13:11):
setting on one side picking the onions pulling you had
to pull them from the branch, they would be one
of them on the other side, so they would be
sharing the onion patch and it was just common. It
was not an abnormal thing for them. This they were
part of their lives. And that's how I grew up
and was taught too. Of course I didn't have that

(13:35):
exactly that kind of interaction.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yes, yes, yes, So when just for contexts, like when
you're having your interaction where you have your first sighting
out of the watcher, what approximate year would you say
that was?

Speaker 2 (13:53):
And then you see about nineteen sixty.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Eight, okay, And when your father has that sighting as
a very young child, what approximate year do you think
that would have been?

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Oh, probably around nineteen thirty one, thirty two, Okay. Dad's
born in twenty seven, and he said he was no
more than three or four years old. He remembered it
as being very small.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
And then the last story about interacting having interactions in
the onion field or the onion pad across the way
and there. What approximate time period would that have taken
place in?

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, that would have been in the thirty Okay, oh
my goodness.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Based on what you've heard and also what you've you
saw during the interaction your father was there with you,
would you say that the watchers have a more ape
like look to them, or they have more human and
like features, or how would you describe their physical appearance.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
They're not all the same, not exactly their face, of course,
there's they're hairy, and they got their long hair. The
palms of their hands are smooth, the palms of their
feet are smooth. And around their eyes it's not it's
smoother like around the eyes, there's not hairy, it's not harry.
It's more smooth. They do have that punch that I

(15:28):
call it the punched in look. Their nose doesn't protrude.
It's more flatter and whiter. Now they've been asked that
before because of the ears. The Watchers' ears are flattered
to their head. They're not pointed or stick up like
an animal. They're not like the what they call the
dog man thing. That's a different thing. So I guess, yeah,

(15:51):
you would. It's if I had to put out a
word to it, I guess it would be neander ball
and gorilla. And that's not exact either, that because they're
they're big, and their hands are of course they have nails,

(16:12):
but they're not like people portray them, like having these
big long claws. They have more nail type. It's nails,
but of course they're big, but they're not like the
claws of a woof or something like that. These are
more human like to me, that's the way I look

(16:35):
at it. Their feet when I've got castings and the
footprints and stuff where they've stepped over the years. Of
course I've seen a lot, and they're feet are more.
Of course they're big and huge. They leave the they're
like a flat footed on this human foot, but it's

(16:56):
it's flat, it's not they don't have an art. I
guess that's what I'm trying to say. It's there's more.
They're different, not exactly like the human foot, but a
lot like huge foot.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Sure, how long would you see the footprints are that
you've gotten casts of.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
I've gotten everything up to the young one. I have
a young one that was only like maybe fourteen inches.
But then I have some that's in the snow that
literally are twenty four inches long and they're probably twelve white.
They are huge. The mass of that was from twenty sixteen.

(17:37):
I believe it was on March sixteenth, there were thirteen
inches of snow. And actually these came from my mother
in law was also Shawnny, and she was in her
nineties when she was moved from the home place to
my sister in law that there was an eight frame
right of and she had gotten up in The footprints

(17:57):
were coming from my grandmother house passed her house from
my mother in law, not my grandmother, her mother. And
I have those pictures. I have the pictures in the snow,
and she had taken them. She actually did an interview
for me and told me she won't she doesn't want
her name told or she's someone to give these to you.
This but the thing that they attached to you is

(18:21):
like my dad had his own watcher. And I believe
because my mother in law, again she grew up in
the woods. This woman she picked berry, she dug roots,
she did the whole thing. This is a mountain one.
So she grew up the same way my dad did,
in the same area my dad did, so when they

(18:42):
moved her, I believe he followed her because it wasn't
that far away where she got moved from the home
place to this other site where she lived until she
passed away. So I think he just followed her. And
because with my dad, when my dad got has stroke
and he was eighty four, so I moved him from

(19:05):
the big farm and I brought him here, so he
had to be a turtle care so I took care
of him and mom both here. I put him oble
home in my front yard, and then I built a
room so I could see them, just glass so I
could see straight out. And every night I would God
had been here probably about a month, and every night

(19:26):
I would go he wouldn't go to bed till like midnight.
He wanted to watch the news, mad's little routine, and
of course he I had to help him literally put
him to bed and get him situated for the night.
And I would walk from my house down there, and
he'd been here about a month and I had put
down to bed and it was round three in the morning.

(19:47):
Now my house is built into the woods, and my bedroom,
like I said, I'm a widow and I love my woods.
So my bedroom was plate glass windows because I like
and I don't put anything on. I like seeing my woods.
I have a little creek beside my house, and I
had a door that came from my bedroom outside. And

(20:08):
this was back in nineteen ninety four, and I just
had the old time screen door. I didn't have a
storm door. I don't know if you a country screen
door is. It's just a frame with screen on it.
There's no glass or nothing like that. And I would
leave that door open, and I would have raised my
windows and a combination of it. In the trees under

(20:29):
the one, I've got springs, and then the creek. I
didn't have to have an air condition or anything. The
breeze just flows through. It's cool in the nighttime. So
I left all that open, and a boy a month
after it died, being here very o'clock in the morning,
the smell woke me up, and my first thing I
thought about was, oh, my gosh, the septic blew up.
Something happened, because it was horrible smell. And I got

(20:52):
up and looked, and I didn't see anything. I couldn't
find anything. And then it went away and that went
on like the third night. You know, I seen the
shape move because there's a big glass window, and I
saw the figure move. And then in my mind, I'm thinking,
because we have bear here, kady bear, we have bobcat everything,

(21:14):
and I'm thinking, it's a bear that's came down out
of the woods. So I did close my big door.
And I have a big wooden door, so I closed it.
But the next night when I went out to go
to Don's, but I always carry a gun. I've always
carried a gun with me because I live in woods.
And I got out the front door and I got
a whiff on the breeze of the smell. And then

(21:36):
at the corner there I had left the big cedar
tree in the edge of my yard for shade. I
saw a movement. And I've been I hunt. I've been
taught the track, I hunt the whole thing. And you're
taught don't run, because if you run, you become prey.
So I moved real easy and got into the house
and Died's when the world's wrong for you, you doesn't

(21:58):
lose your mind. I said, no, die, I said there's
a bear out there. There ain't no bear out there,
said Din, there's a bear out there. I sit behind
a tree. I said, up, been seeing something the last
few nights. He said, you show me. So I helped
him up and go hi over to the door, and
he looked out and he just went on. He said,
don't worry about it. He said, you leave him alone.

(22:20):
He'll leave you alone. And in my mind it clicked
from his word, because I've been taught by all my
life leave them alone, they'll leave you alone. I said,
you don't mean it, and he said, yeah, he's just watching,
and he said he you need doing nothing. But he
would come and stand behind that tree and watch me
till I put down in the bed and he'd stand
there for a while, and he never heard nothing, never

(22:41):
bother nothing. He just watched. And it went on again
with a few months there, or four months, and one
moved died. I left. He had one hog left and
sold off all the cabs and everything, and I brought it.
And now it's a big grown south hog. And she's big.
She's the four hundred pounds. So when she stood up,

(23:02):
she's well bigger. I'm five foot three. She's way told
her to me, way bigger than me. And so you
can imagine how tall her pen had to be so
she couldn't come over the tops. And this night I
put back to bed and I hear these horrible screams.
There's like an elephant trumpeting of smiling, screaming, fighting, and

(23:26):
I thought, oh my jump up now. Like I said,
I've always I have a good and I have a
it's a British infield three oh three. It's an old
army rifle, and I have armor piercing so it reaches
out a good long ways and I can blow up
a motor block. It's got some knockdown power and I

(23:46):
keep it by the door. But I never picked it up.
I'm just barefooted in my nightgown and I ran out
the front door. God don't ask me why, because I'm
never that irresponsible. I'm always pick up something. But those
screams shocked me so much. And I went on down
because where the pig pin was is on past the houses,

(24:08):
and I have a creek, have to cross over a
bridge and the creeks, and the pins down by the creeks,
and so I went that far. And I still hear
those screaming and fighting. It's like in the woods because
I'm down. I sit down low, and then there's like
hillsides all around me, and then it dawns on me.
I'm standing out there and hearing this one on and

(24:30):
in my mind, I go, oh my god, you dummy,
you're outside. You don't have no gun, nobody knows you're
out here, and God can't get outside to help you.
To get the heck back to the house, and I said,
I came back in and I got I stayed in
the door and I could hear that. But that went
through the pig pin down there. It just stepped over

(24:55):
and then it was two steps and off the other
side through the creek, and then the chicken coops were
on the other side, and it just absolutely towards chicken
coops and pieces. I just had just burst through, beaten
and whatever died had. I had a bull mask and
I pit bull mixed old dog whose name was Jake,
and he was a big old dog, but he was
really old. And then I heard Jake scream and this horrible,

(25:18):
Oh my gosh, I still think about this day, the
terrible scream. And I thought, you first, didn't think you
want to go. I was going to go help the
dog in I could not physically go out the door.
Something premented me from stepping out that door, whether that
was my fear cammon sense. Even with the gun, I've

(25:38):
reached put my hand down on the gun and then
I just put it back, and I was like no.
But the next morning I go out and those footprints
were eight The footprints that went through the pig pens
with its mud was eighteen inches long. And I found
the dog. He was still alive. He had been bitten,

(26:00):
had like through his hind quarters, three his backbone, through
his private parties, like he'd been picking up, picked up,
and just these big puncture wounds. And he don't ask
me how he lived, because he was pretty horrible, but
he did. And of course he was old and he
never moved around much after that. But but that thing
that night, it traveled on down the road. There's an

(26:23):
old lady's a few miles down and she had little dogs,
and she actually called the cops, and the cops came out.
And there's always just coyotes. That was not coyotes. I'm
living in the country in my whole life. That's not coyotes.
But it went on up when you got to the
main road, all the way through there. It was attacking dogs,

(26:45):
and I wasn't the only one that heard it that
night and probably seen it. But the next day, the
next night, that's watcher was back and there's no nothing
violent about it. It didn't do anything. It was just
like normal. So I'm not sure what happened that night.

(27:06):
But actually just a couple of months ago, with just
has been you know, I have not told my stories.
I just started doing this and there's a reason for
me doing it, and I'll explain that later. A gentleman said,
you do you think he would that the watcher was
fighting with a dog man, And I was like, I
never really had interactions with a dog man. I never

(27:29):
even I never thought they were real things. I've heard
the stories of the legends, but I never thought that.
I thought it was just some of my Shawnee stories.
But then this last October bit, the one before, I
had actually went on a hike. I do. I'll do

(27:49):
ten mile hikes back in the woods. Sometimes I spend
the night. I have my own place, but I wasn't
in my area that time. This other girl that was
hiking those two other girls, and she wanted to show
me a new area it was one of her places,
and it ain't even in this county. This is a
different county that had never ever been to ever, and

(28:09):
we did. It was like six miles. We went deep
woods and just life and joking, having a good time.
And it was getting evening time and it wasn't dark,
but it was getting evening and we had hiking back
out and the trail there's only one one way in,
one way out you have to go. And I looked
down the trail and I seen I thought it was

(28:31):
a turkey, like a big giant turkey. And I said,
what is that? And she looks and she's, I don't know,
I don't know what is that? And of course she
had a fight. I didn't even have a phone with
me or anything. I don't carry it because normally in
the woods, and I don't take a lot of pictures,
and the girls had their phone, so they was doing

(28:52):
that and she tried just so I can't get it.
I can't see what it is. So we keep going farther.
We're gone, getting a little bit worried because it's getting bigger.
The farther we go, it's getting bigger. And now the
third girl I've seen it, and she's, oh, my gosh,
what is that? And I was like, is it had

(29:13):
a head showed up like a German shepherd head? And
I was like, oh, my gosh, is that like a
big dog? And then I got concerned because we're in
the woods and we don't know if this is a dog.
Is mean, what is this? And I carry a pistol,
I carry a three eighty and a pouch and I
did I pulled it around and of course I carry

(29:34):
spare clips with it too, and I walk with a
staff and the girl she's looking, she's I'm finding a stick.
But she finally found not a big stick or something.
I guess it made her feel better and or keep
going and she's what is that? It's just getting bigger
and bigger. I don't know. All of a sudden there
was a dough jumped up and ran off through the woods.

(29:55):
But this thing is on the ground and it's tracking.
I don't know if you've ever seen a dog track
or not. Those to the ground and over the back
and forth, like getting a scent. It was doing that,
and we kept moving, and the pleasure we get, the
bigger it's getting. Now I'm to the point that I'm
really concerned, and she's scared, and we're getting a little ancy,

(30:19):
but there's no way for us to get out except
to go past there. We have to go. So we're
talking and so many somebody threw a dog out, Maybe
somebody's throwing a ball making it jump up, whatever, and
maybe it's just like a big some kind of big
breaded dog, and all of a sudden it comes up
on two legs. We're getting closer and it comes up

(30:43):
on two legs, and it went off to the right
into the woods, the same way that dough deer had went.
It went into the woods, and by this time we're closer.
There's not a bird, there's not an insect. It's totally
stone quiet. Every hair on your head is stand. I'm
on full guard. I'm I don't get scared because I

(31:06):
grew up in the woods and I've dealt with a
lot of different things. But I'm this is Everybody is
nervous and they're scared, and I'm not scared, but I'm
very concerned. So my hands on that pistol and I'm ready.
And we had to get past that area. And we
get up to the car, which I have my daughter's
new You know, you hit the button on the keybob

(31:28):
to unlock the doors, it won't work. It's like a
horror movie. And I was like, oh my gosh, you
won't unlock. It won't unlock, So I have to take
the key and unlock the door. It's harder with the
new cars because you gotta get to all this rigular rope.
And by this time she's I gotta pee, I gotta pe,
I gonna pie. It's like whatever, I'm getting inside. And
I finally get it open and we get inside, and

(31:51):
we left, and I'm honestly, I still don't know what
I saw. All I know was it was on the ground.
It looked like a dog. It was massive, but when
it stood up, it was the size of the man,
and it walked on two legs. So that that was

(32:15):
a very different experience for me. The watchers, yes, I
see them, and they don't didn't get that feeling, which
that was different to them.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Wow, so you've got the watchers, You've also got dog
Man as well. Do you think that in your area?
Are they ever interacting? Are they in close proximity to
each other? Do you think they have a boundary set up?

Speaker 2 (32:43):
I like I said all the time I was growing up,
I've seen the watchers. I never saw the dog man.
I've heard stories of them. I've heard different of course,
the watchers makes a different sound than the house. But
here lately, over the last two years, I've seen more
evidence that there is some kind of other creature. I

(33:06):
actually got a picture. I camped out staring back in
the cliffs and I picked up on my trail can
as one of the watchers squatted down seven, which is
very rare. Believe me, you don't really get that kind
of stuff. But this thing which everybody's looking at, and
that's a dog man because it does look and it

(33:27):
has ears, it looks more of that kind of thing
was on the cliff above me. And I didn't even
know I got the picture because I have one of
those little it's a go cad videos in front and
behind you, so I didn't even know that I picked
that up because I was just leaving. I like going

(33:49):
back in the woods. I still nothing keeps me out
of my woods. That's just who I am. And but
that the howls I've picked up on my trail cans
are definitely so whatever is going on which my theory
is this in this area that's a Shawnee land, that

(34:09):
Shawnee was taken from this area sacred land, and there's
a four hundred acres track of woods that hasn't been
touched in over two hundred years. There's no logging. This
is their home and it started getting logged a couple
of years ago. They started logging it and they've taken
out massive amount of timber which has invaded their home.

(34:35):
So now they're moving out and about into different areas.
So we've had more sightings here. There's another group that
comes here that have been coming here for years and
they had a kind of really scary experience where they
got ran out. Actually it's a night stalker group and
they actually ended up selling their story to our Discovery channel.

(34:59):
It's a tear in the woods, hunt up my Bigfoot,
and that's from this area. And I actually go out
with them sometimes and just a few months ago. I
don't do vocals. I have recordings from all the way
back in nineteen ninety four, like on the old cassettes,
from hearing them their talk or their vocals or whatever,

(35:21):
their chatter, different things, and I don't do that. When
they come I go, I guide for them. I'll be
evodied sometimes or whatever. And they're my friends, so we
just hang out together too, and they had picked up
some more they've had now they I never I only
started going out into the woods with them a couple
of years ago. Before that, I literally were getting bombarded

(35:43):
with rocks going through the top of their car, busting
their windshield. Then after I started going. The one lady,
which she's an older woman, but she's an absolutely wonderful lady,
very intelligent, very fearless, and she said, we don't care
rock stowed at us any more. Should I think I
had something to do with you, doesn't it? I never,

(36:05):
because this area where we go I consider a mind.
It's like we've interacted, so we have our own little
way of communicating, and they can be very protective of
me at times, but then I am with them. It's
a strange. I guess people think you was crazy when
you say that, So there's no such thing. You're just

(36:27):
nuts or some kind of paranoid idiot. I don't have
any meno issues. I'm very high IQ actually, and this
is just part of my heritage and my family. And honestly,
like I said, I'm not the only one that season
from here. But with the things that's going on, the logging,

(36:47):
them being disruptive and brought out, it's a safety issue,
not just for them but for humans because people are
seeing them more. They don't the first instinct is when
they sing, they want to shoot them. They don't need
to do that. They don't do Just like Dad said,

(37:08):
you leave them alone. They'll live your life. But if
you get violent with them, don't get violent back. So
I have a hidden agenda. This is my way of
protecting them both. Wow.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
I've just been sitting here listening the whole time. Fascinating stories, Donna.
And I'm also remembering my conversation with Brian Sawyer as
you've been talking, and just some of the things he
was explaining to me about probably the same area. I'm

(37:42):
going to have to go back and listen to our
conversation again. Has there ever been a time where you
feel like you've had any types of communication between yourself
and the watchers that have been in the area.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Oh, yeah, we do communicate. Like I said, it's it's
like telepathic type thing. I know what they're I can
feel their feelings, they can feel mine when they're getting agitated.
I become agitated. I feel that, and they do communicate.
It's not like they have words I don't. I've never
heard them speak English. Now, I have heard them make

(38:20):
like the show. I have the ancient Shawnee language and
I use it sometimes. I've heard them mimic some of
the Shawnee. It's a they do like this ooh ooh.
That's the only way I can explain it. But it's
actually a Shawnee word. And what it means is come back.

(38:42):
If it's their way of signaling the others to come
back to the caves, it's danger come back. Move back. Yeah,
I But as far as hearing them say their name
or an English name or no, I've never I give
them names just for my own personal I call like

(39:06):
the grandfather of the old one. I have some young
ones here now. Actually that's been more active the old
Like I said, the way I explain it is the
old ones I grew up with. I grew up at
the same time I did. The young ones has grown
up seeing me me being there. I bring gifts, I

(39:29):
bring food, and I don't do like the howlings that
I do. I have a howl that I can do.
But what I do is I play flute music. I
do drumming chants, more peaceful, calm time of thing. That's
how we interact. And when they come I have so

(39:50):
I have slave bells. So when I put my gifts out,
I use those slave bells and it's just like this,
you know what the sound of slave beals. But they
it's not like I see them every day. Don't get
me wrong. It's not that they can be standing right
in front of you and you won't see them. They
have the ability to I call it the shimmer. Somehow

(40:12):
they turn and that doesn't mean they're not there. They're there,
but they have a cloaking ability. I call it like
a chameleon. You know how the chameleons can hide right
in a tree, a green snake in the grass. It's
not that they're not there, but they change. So they
just blend in with the surroundings and you just think

(40:36):
you're looking at a tree or you're looking at a
bush or they have that ability. So people say, oh,
nothing walking, and then they go, why don't you find
like bones or whatever. First off, they take care of
their own. That's like the Shawnee have a thing and

(40:57):
we bury our own, we take care of our own,
and they do the same thing. And if something does happen,
But then if you look at the animals, the composition
of an animal that dies in the woods, it takes
very little time for the scavengers to pick it clean
and carry it away. But that really doesn't happen with them.

(41:21):
They have their own way of doing. They take care
of their own.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
So it's fascinating. And things that you're saying are definitely
reminding me of other conversations. So the shimmer and remind me.
Have you seen that happen as well? Have you seen
it where you're looking at a watcher and that starts
to shimmer and then say it.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Out yeah, yeah, Actually again, I'll refer back to the
night watcher group. And this wasn't this summer. It was
the summer before, and the one gentleman Miller. It's Mike Miller,
That's what he had said. And that night the moon
was full and there was a group and all there

(42:11):
was about eight all around us, and I knew they
were there. Of course, people doubt you, so I don't
really say anything. I just ask that question, I answered vaguely.
And he had said I would do anything just to
see one. He saw one that would love to see one.
We're setting and deep in the woods and the moon

(42:33):
comes up, and I knew that the old one was there.
I knew he was there because he was watching Basically
this probably I don't talk about this kind of thing,
but if a woman is on her monthly, I'll call it.
They shouldn't be in the woods. It's the precautions for
a bear. They tell you be very cautious around that time.
Same thing applies the young lady that was there. I

(42:57):
didn't say anything until later after we were in the
woods and she said showing my period, and I go,
oh gosh, and so that will that effects. There's are
an effect. And they were pretty close and Mike was
setting that he sets a chair down. They they sed
their cars out and they sat in the dark. Then'll
use lights at all, total pitch black. The moon coming out,

(43:20):
and I had been watching him head was in the
tree line, and I knew he was there. And finally
the moon had came up and he stepped from the
tree line out into the plain sight and Mike that
already came out of the chair and it's like just
calm stay calm, Just stay calm, and he's like I am,

(43:40):
but and he's just in awe. Not only did he
see it that night, but there was a couple other
of the group was sawid. The girl was there, but
she turned her back and I said, don't you used
to know? I'm too scared and she turned her back.
And then there was another gentleman that didn't. But the
other there was three of the same solid this may

(44:01):
saw him that night. But then he simply took two
steps back into the trees and he was there. They
thought he was gone. He wasn't. He just stepped back,
turned and they can't see him no more. So. Yeah,

(44:21):
they have that ability to be there and not be there.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
From what you've heard over the years, the interactions with
the watchers that you've heard and you've experienced, I guess
besides the things with the dogs, have there been any
aggressive interactions with humans or is there usually some kind
of understanding there where that stuff just doesn't happen.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
In that area. No, there has been more violent There
was a report not just a few months ago in
another area some people on a four wheeler said they
had gotten things starred at them and they are actually
got chased. Now, I did get Like I said, this
was a couple of years ago. I got hit. But
it wasn't their fault. This was I don't look at

(45:08):
it like it was trying to hurt me again. Mike
and them was here and they had did a lot
of vocals close by, and he had asked me to
go out just if I could hear it because I'm
down in the valley below where they were at. And
I did. It was like probably twelve o'clock at night
or something, it was later in the night, and I did.
I came in from work and I still had a

(45:29):
skirtle one I had to put tennis shoes on. I
had changed into them, and I walked once I walked
back to the back of my property. Once I passed
the barns, it's pitch black because it's just the woods
and I have a greenhouse. And i'd gotten back and
I heard the screaming in the woods. I could hear
like some kind of battle one on or whatever. But

(45:52):
in my mind, I thought, that's Mike. That's him putting
off the calls back at the other cabin. So I
just kept going and as I get back there, I'd
been working, so I had a little my garden killer
and wherever the garden is, so there's buckets, and I
had a little red iglue cooler, a small cooler, and
it had been setting back against the trees where I
had popped and ice in it and water and it

(46:15):
comes flying out. I'm back in the pitch black and
I've got the phone in my hand because I was
a messaging mike and then I lost a signal and
I'm still holding it, but I'm just pitch black. And
that comes flying out and it hit me into side
to go on the hip, and the force of it
knocked me down, and I'm thinking, oh crap, you know

(46:38):
what the heck? Because I can hear now. I see
the trees. I see the trees being pushed, fairly good
sized trees. I see them swaming and pushing and these
screams and I'm like, oh crap, that's like the screams
I heard when it attacked my dog. And it came
down and there's a where the path is. But at

(47:00):
the last minute, he's big. He's big. I have the
smaller one, which I call him mine. He's ten, which
the big guy is, and he's more black and he
comes charging out the other side and they interact right there.
He literally just jumps on him. And that was my

(47:21):
chance to get up. So let me tell you it
was not easy because I took a pretty good I
took a pretty good hit. But I got back down
to the barn, and I keep a twelve gauge pump
shot down in the barn and I have buckshot in
that and I break up and I pulled it out,
and then I thought, no, you dummy, and again in
my head, I'll always like you dummy. Just get to

(47:44):
the house because my big house had burned a few
years ago and I have a smaller cabin down by
the road. After a mom and dad got foodstick, I
moved him down a close the road because of sitting squads,
you know, just taking care of him. So I had
to get across the bridge and back into my house.
And I didn't I can stier hear that all the

(48:04):
way down into the house. I hear about battle going on.
But they were already disrupted from the normal area their woods.
So they're back in there with all that machinery tearing
up the woods. They're already mad. They're already being four
sty normal area. And then Mike puts off these calls.

(48:27):
He puts off the woof calls, which is a battle cry,
which I told him. I was like, that's a challenge.
When you do that, that's a challenge. And then the
next morning, yeah, and he goes. I was like, where
did you go? So I went to bed. I was like,
you did what? He's like, yeah, I got why. I
was like, are you freaking killing me? You don't really

(48:48):
go out there and you with the bed, I could
have been killed. I was joking, but you know, yeah,
they get violent, they get churse. Not everybody knows. I
don't interact with and that way. Everything with me is
calm and peaceful and giving. And if I feel like
I've pushed my limit too far, I back out. I

(49:09):
back away, and if I have a question, I do
full submission mode. I'll hit my I'll go to the ground,
I'll drop my head. It's like, I'm submissive. I'm not
a challenge. I'm not going I'm not gonna I'm no threat.
But really, myself, I don't have that kind of problems

(49:30):
that other people have. Yes, yeah, I can't tell you
they're not they're dangerous. Yeah, it sounds.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Yeah, definitely, it's something that you're treating it with respect,
and as you said, you're willing to turn to a
submissive mode almost immediately. Do you have any thoughts about,
let's see, if a person was wanting to try to
have some kind of interaction with the watchers, what you

(50:04):
might recommend for them to do when they're in a
certain area.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
And like I said, from the time I was little,
he taught me, and I think that was his way
of protecting me because he knew they were going to
be around where I was at, and that was basically,
be respectful, don't threaten them, don't be a threat to them.
And like with the little ones when they're having they
have little ones, it's just like us. We're going to

(50:31):
protect our child to the death or I will. Maybe
some parents don't, but I do no matter what. My
child is first, and I will fight you to the death.
They're the same. So you want to be very cautious.
You don't want to do anything to be like youre's
gonna like charging into the woods. People say, I've seen it,

(50:52):
so I just charged into there I wanted to see. No,
you'll get better results is to sit down, be quiet.
If you have something that you can put out as
an offering with a candy bar, it can be they
like shiny things. If it's something simple, it doesn't have
to be. It's all in keeping your emotions under control.

(51:15):
If you're all hyped up and either scared or you're
all crazy, if you sit down quietly and you're calm
and cool. And I know that's hard to do. Believe
in me, I've got taught a lot of lessons in
my lifetime. Control of my emotions was the hardest thing

(51:37):
because I have a temper. My temper was the worst
thing in the world that I had to learn to
control my temper, and to this day, I still have
a temper. But one I was generousness. You don't want
to push your you don't want to push your luck.
You don't want to push the boundaries if you feel threatened,
if you follow your senses. If you walk into a

(51:59):
yard and there's a dog in there, and that dog
his head's down and he's given you that eye, you're going, oh,
I don't think he's a good Dogie think O. I
think I'll let him go or not interact with him.
Same feeling. You get that feeling. You have that sense
in there, just follow it. If you feel uncomfortable, you

(52:20):
feel threatened, you geel scared, back up, back away. If
you leave and back away quietly and calmly, they will
bother you. If you challenge, they react to that challenge,
and they react to your emotions. Like I said, I
am Shawnee descent. I still have elders that and I'm

(52:43):
an elder too, but I still have people that I
answer to, and these watchers are part of their family too.
I'm not the only one. People think. God No, I
am not the only one. And these are very important
to us. Their safety is very important to us, the
ability to live freely. Just like all the animals are

(53:04):
losing their home. You know, the forests are coming down.
So not just the watchers, but the bear. I got
bobcats coming in Normally they don't come into a home site.
It might still chick come over in there. All of
this is happening, so there's going to be more interactions.
All of those non believers someday move step out and

(53:27):
come face to face and not know what to do
because they don't believe. And that's absolutely there. I have
full respect for everybody in their way. I've had people
tell me the Watchers are evil, they're demonic, they come
from the giants that came down and had children with
the humans, and now these are the demons that that's

(53:48):
not true. The Watchers simply watch over us. Are is
the Moonlight people came which that's another race of people
had children with the Shawnee, not just Shawnee, but other tribes,
other two and the Watchers were left behind to guard
the children of these people. That's our art theory. And

(54:12):
but just for protection. Like I said, the Watchers are
here and they're going to be seen more and more.
They're not evil beings. They're not the demons from hell.
They are not of the devil. I believe in heaven
and Hell. I believe in God. I believe in my creator.
My creator created everything the same as God created everything.

(54:32):
So one, you know, they're both the same. Evil in
the world. Absolutely there is evil. My thing is, don't look.
Just because they're big and ugly doesn't mean that these
are evil beings. It just means they're different. People in
the world are different. We have different people. Doesn't mean

(54:54):
that I have one person is worse than the other,
or one person better than the other. But it's going
to have happen. And I love my Watchers. I also
love my people, So like I said, it's the only
reason I'm doing this. I'm not looking to get famous.
I'm not. I don't make no money off of any

(55:15):
of this. This is just simply I guess to put
the word out and so people could be aware there's
going to be more. It doesn't mean that these are
evil things. And I'm like I said, I go to church.
I do not believe in or don't practice anything evil.

(55:39):
Everybody has their right to their own opinion and whatever
they think. But all I'm asking for is an open mind.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
Absolutely. And Donna, this has been I think a great conversation.
Thank you so much for coming on the show today, Donna,
and for sharing what you've experienced in you've learned about
regarding the Watchers down there in southeast Ohio. And it's
been a privileged to talk to you today.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Oh, thank you so much for the honor and the
opportunity just to get my story out there. Like I said,
I'm down. That's more kind of my ulterior motive what
I said. And I hope somewhere along the way it
has helped both and everybody and everything.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're
in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've
seen something that no one can explain, or if you're
a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told
to stay quiet. If you're a pilot who's seen something
strange down on the ground, or if you're with the

(56:49):
FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled
upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if
you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's
heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If
you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field,
or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something

(57:10):
happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're
a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under
contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.
If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a
spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith,
or if you work in the shadows CIA, NSA, or

(57:31):
anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,
then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.
You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.
The world needs to hear what you've been forced to
carry alone, and you're not alone. You've got the story,

(57:54):
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