December 29, 2024 • 43 mins
Kate and Vinnie kick off this new joyride by talking about Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman season 1 (spoiler alert, we shipped Clark's parents hard), as well as Good Bones and the Evil Dead movies (which, while camp now, scared the damn pants off Kate back in the day).
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Hey, everybody, and welcome to BingeFest. I'm Vinny
Civetello.
And I'm Kate Conroy.
This is a brand new podcast where we're
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every other week.
So here we are. Here we are.
It feels like, both A Long Time Coming
and the natural progression of what always should
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have been.
Yeah. If if you're new to the to
the Vinnie and Kate podcasting thing, this is
the spiritual successor to the podcast that we
did for Work Other People's Business.
We did that for 6 years,
and a a portion of that show was
spent talking about television.
Now we're gonna really, like, take that and
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extrapolate it out and do, like, a whole
show on just that.
So, Kate, I'm gonna let you get started
here.
Alright. So,
one of my favorite things about other people's
business was at the very beginning, the icebreaker,
what are you currently binging? So I am
going to insist
that we continue
that question even though it's just you and
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I. Right. Because I was gonna say the
whole point of that was getting an icebreaker
with the guest. But since there's no guest,
there's it's fine. It's fine. It's fine. What
are you currently bingeing?
Alright. Well, so I have been sick for
the last week, and I have been bingeing,
a show that I used to love a
lot,
Good Bones
on HBO. It's like an HGTV
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show, which is very outside.
But I think because I was sick, I
didn't wanna have to follow plot lines. I
didn't wanna have to think too hard. It
was just every episode,
they buy a rundown crappy house, and they
make it beautiful. And they show it off
to people, and then they sell it. Like,
it's just like a reality show, or this
is a fictional show about people who do
that? No. I guess it's a reality show
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all the way along. In mind that all
reality shows about, like, these houses are totally
fictional.
So I'm learning that. So Yeah. You're 100%.
When I think of reality shows, I think
of the Kardashians or,
the Kardashians. Also totally fictional. But
Yeah. You're probably right. Yeah. So anyway but
this was, it's a home improvement ish show,
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and I just bought a house, and I'm
rehabbing it. And so it's sort of on
my mind to, like, revisit some of these
cool things. And
I only got to episode or seasons 4
out of 8.
And one of the main characters is always
wearing these, like, T shirts that say addicted
to kindness
or
human AF or whatever.
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So the the persona that she's trying to
project is one of, like,
peace, love, kindness, blah blah blah. And she's
one of the meanest people
I've ever seen on TV.
She she's just, you know, picking at people
and
making fun of people and pranking people and
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good naturedly,
of course. But,
I don't know that I would wanna work
for her. Sure.
So, anyway, I I was binging Good Bones,
which is, an HGTV.
It was currently on, HBO.
And now that I'm feeling better, I don't
know that I'll ever go back to it.
I don't need to
if you've seen one show, you've seen them
all. You know? Yeah. I don't wanna name
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names,
or or name shows because I have no
idea how litigious they are about this kind
of stuff.
But I have you know, 2 of my
friends,
were on a a very popular,
you know,
house getting show.
And
they they they viewed, like, 3 houses or
something. I I don't remember how many houses
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there were. But at the end of the
episode, they picked their house. And when I
say they picked their house, I mean, they
picked the house that they had already purchased
and had been living in for some time
before the show.
You know? So when we say they are
fictional, that's that's what I mean. You know?
That's amazing.
Yeah.
I have no words. That's amazing.
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Yeah. So just know that, like, none of
these things it's it's all just entertainment. And
and there's nothing wrong with that. Like, if
you're sick on the couch and
you have a good time looking at these
shows about people who go into houses and,
you
know, pick them apart and you know? I
I always love when they're like, so and
so is a journalist making $26,000
a year. And they're like, well, wait a
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minute, but we have to have an indoor
pool. You know?
His budget is $1,200,000.
Yeah. Exactly.
And the wife is always like, no. I
need that slip.
I need a closet that is 10 by
10. I need it. I need a 10
by 10.
10 by 10 is sort of the minimum.
My dorm room in college was like 10
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by 15. You know? I know. It needs
to be like 20 by 20.
Yeah. So what have I been bingeing? I've
been bingeing
actually,
I've I've been picking up the evil dead
movies on 4 k Blu ray, and I've
been bingeing them in the order that they
came in. I just finished the last of
them, and so I've been considering
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going back and rewatching the TV show because
it's been enough time since Ash versus Evil
Dead was on
that I mean, I kinda remember the broad
strokes, and I remember how it ends, but
very little in between. You know?
Bruce Campbell is a national treasure. I think
I think he does.
I'm on the work for yeah. Except for
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scary locals like those. I don't watch those
at all. Some of them are scarier than
others. Like, I think you wouldn't find the
army of darkness scary. I mean, I don't
know if you've ever seen it.
I have once in college. Jimmy Choo Sugar
Baby is the guy. I mean, that's just
a quote fest. It's it's like so many
little one liners like hail to the king,
baby, and groovy, and all that.
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Hail to the king, baby. I forgot all
of that. Evil Dead
1
is intended to be, like, legit scary. And
then 2 is supposed to be kind of
a combination of scary and funny. And then
3, which is army of darkness went, like,
all funny.
And then Yeah.
They remade it in 2013,
and that was like
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I would say it was intended there's nothing
funny about it. It's intended to be scary,
but, like, I feel like they've done the
whole zombies in the woods thing so many
times at this point that it felt a
little overdone. This is the new one that
came out, as of the time we're recording
this this year
was
that was legit.
I'm not gonna say I was terrified or
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anything. You know? It takes a lot. You
know? I I watch a lot of these
things, but I could see, like, an average
person getting pretty scared watching evil dead rise.
So Yeah. I have no interest in that.
I'm not Did you see the commercial?
Like, do you at least know, like, okay.
So evil dead
rise is about,
it's like a mom and her 3 kids
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in an apartment.
And there's an earthquake,
and one of the kids, you know, is,
like, in the the parking garage of the
apartment complex, and he he sees, like, a
hole in the ground. And he looks in,
and there's a book.
So, you know, we pull the book out,
and,
you know, madness ensues. But what makes it
terrifying
is that these kids are stuck in an
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apartment
with the mom who becomes, like, the deadite.
And this is not, like, army of darkness
deadite where it's comedy. This is, like, legit.
Like, she is
absolutely trying to kill them. Like you know?
And when you're, like, a little kid and,
you know, it's your mom,
you know, it's it's a whole thing.
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Yeah. That sounds terrifying. Yeah. It is. Reminds
me sorry. Go ahead. No. I was gonna
say it it it I mean, if if
I was somebody who had, like, less of
a tolerance for this thing, it absolutely would
be. Yeah.
It reminds me of Shauna Lavette. Like, do
you remember the scene
where they're driving in the car, and they
they picked up his mom and her husband,
And he's always had this lovey relationship with
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the the his stepfather,
but they've rescued both of them
because the zombie apocalypse has happened.
And they're driving in the car,
and
he turns. Like, he's been bitten, and suddenly,
6 people are in the sedan,
and the stepfather has become a zombie.
And he's looking around at lunch, essentially, and
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they're they're just
very slowly realizing
that the threat is inside the building. Yeah.
And they, you know oh my god. Yeah.
That's what it is. Yeah.
So that that's what I've been binging.
I'm speaking of Ash versus Evil Dead, I'm
trying to get Kate to watch Chucky
so that, hopefully, one of the next few
episodes of this show will be that. But
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yeah.
So, actually, that's a good, segue into what
the premise of this show is.
Right? So we're gonna start every episode with
what are you currently binging.
But the idea of the show is to
talk about 1 season of 1 show
and really dig into
what was good, what was bad, what we
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hated. So
the first show that we're gonna do is
Lois and Clark season 1. And the reason
we're doing that, even though it came out
20, 30 years ago now, I don't wanna
think about it.
Whenever 1993
to 1996
happened to be. Right?
I think that's 30 years. Maybe 97.
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19 yeah. Anyway, so,
we talked about Lewis and Clark extensively.
We talked about superheroes a lot on other
people's business. Yeah. But,
we talked about Lois and Clark extensively
on other people's business. And so we thought
it was just fitting that the first,
show that we talk about in this show
is gonna be Lois and Clark season
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1. Yeah. And so Vinny and I did
a solid for all of you listeners. We
watched every single episode
together,
him on his couch, me on my couch,
texting each other
the, the eye rolls and the oh my
gods and the,
you know, the laugh out loud, so they
intentionally are not.
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And, so, yeah, that is the premise of
this show. So do you wanna tell us
any your thoughts on Melissa and Clark season
1? Sure. Let me give just a little
background on the show first because I think
it actually it comes in handy when you're
putting the show into a context.
In the 19 eighties,
DC Comics rebooted the Superman comics. That that
means, like, anything that happened before 1986 was
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cleared off the slate. We were remaking it.
So the ship comes down from Krypton again.
We reintroduce all the characters, all of that.
They wanted it to be more grounded in
reality. So a little bit more sci fi
based,
and they wanted it to,
like, kind of appeal to people more at
that time. So if you think about, like,
a a gen x 1986
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younger millennial audience,
the parents became a much bigger deal. Like,
if you think about
pre 1986 Superman, like any movie you've seen,
the first thing they do when Superman grows
up is kill off either both parents or
just
the dad and then maybe the mom later.
But the the parents really became, like, a
big deal in the Superman comics in the
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late eighties early nineties. And then the other
thing they did was bring the the bullpen
of the daily planet,
to more of a forefront.
So it used to just be kind of
Lois and Clark. Now it was Lois Clark,
Kat Grant, Ron Troupe, Steve Lombard, all these
people who kinda came together and made a
camaraderie so that Clark Kent could be a
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more three-dimensional
character. You can have people to talk to
that wasn't just Jimmy Olsen, like the the
high school geeky kid. And then
because Clark was more of a three-dimensional character,
they wanted him to have a romance. And
so
they had this romance that they made between
him and Lois Lane, and it culminated in
Superman number 50 where Clark Kent asks Lois
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to marry him. She says yes, and that's
when Warner Brothers comes knocking on the door
and is like, hold up. You can't do
that. And they're like, what do you mean
we can't do that? They're like, well Wait.
You can't marry them. We we are actually
planning on making a TV show,
where Lois and Clark are gonna have a
romance, and it's gonna culminate in, like, them
getting married. And we don't want you to
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do it first. So you have to stop
whatever you're planning here. And they're like, woah.
Wait a minute. We've been planning this for
years. Like, this has this has been like
a thing that we've been building towards, and
we just got them engaged. And that's out
on the newsstand. Like, people can buy it
right now. We swear to God, they're engaged.
And they're like, well, hold on. Just wait.
And they're like, well, what do you mean
just wait? Like, how long do we have
to wait for them to get married on
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your shirt? You haven't even started yet. They're
like, well, it'll be a few years. So
what they decided to do was kill him,
and that
gave them time to stall. So the death
of Superman happens, I think, November 1992 or
so,
and he stays dead long enough to give
the TV show an opportunity to start.
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And because the the national media picks this
up, like, hold up. Superman is dead,
it brings Superman comic book sales through the
sun, which gives Lois and Clark
the opportunity to start at, like, a newfound
popularity for the character.
So they they took pretty much everything from
that comic book that I just said, like
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the daily planet bullpen,
you know, the romance between Lois and Clark,
the relationship with the parents, even certain characters
that they introduced like Kat Grant and whatnot.
And the other big,
change that the comic books made prior to
1986,
Lex Luthor was just a mad scientist
because he was introduced in the 19 forties
post atomic bomb. And Lex Luthor has always
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been kind of this flexible character that can
be whatever you need him to be. Like,
in the eighties, he became this billionaire philanthropist,
you know, CEO type who was actually, you
know, evil behind the scenes, but people didn't
know.
If you think about Smallville,
you know, what's the when you have a
teen show, what's the the scariest thing you
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can imagine? It's the best friend that stabs
you in the back and steals your girlfriend.
In 2000,
not that we wanna get super political here,
Lex Luthor becomes president of the United States
once George w Bush becomes president of the
United States.
So
there's always that history there. So, yes, that's
that's kind of the the background of that
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show.
I have so many
freaking questions. Go ahead. Go ahead.
So first of all,
the comic book industry, I thought, was a
power unto itself.
Does Warner Brothers own
DC? Yeah.
Well, alright. I had no idea. Yeah. That
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that makes alright. Well, because I'm like, how
are they allowed to just tell it that
Right. You know, like, sorry.
TV is more important than comic books, so
we're just gonna knock on your door. No.
No. No. But, yeah, that that's what they
did,
you know, for better or worse. I mean,
we got the maybe the biggest story of
19 nineties to come out of, Superman comics.
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I mean, it it took Superman from a
character who was not you know, he's always
around. People like him, but nobody's, like, really
engaging with Superman.
Then suddenly, he dies. Yeah. Suddenly, he dies,
and it jumps that popularity up. Like, I
think they sold millions of copies at that
point. So They were printing money.
What was the who was the main character
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in the story line of the comics if
Superman is dead? Like Okay. So
there was a there was a brief period
there where they did like a funeral story
arc. Like, you know, everybody's reacting to his
death and, you know, the world is getting
on without him.
And then,
they actually stopped printing the books for a
little while.
I would say probably a half a year.
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I can't remember exactly how long it was,
but it was just long enough that people
are still engaged,
but not, you know, the next week, let's
say. Sure. Then what they did was they
they introduced 4 characters
who are going to kind of take the
mantle of Superman. It was,
Superboy,
Steel,
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the Eradicator,
and Cyborg Superman.
And the idea was
each of these 4
were like the the one that could be
the person to replace Superman. And some of
them, like 2 of them, the Eradicator and
Cyborg Superman,
looked identical to Superman in many respects.
And so people were like, which one is
the real Superman? And it wound up being
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none of them.
But it was this big story arc that,
you know, lasted, I want to say, like,
a year where they sorted all this out.
And again, it was a stall tactic, but
it was it was a fantastic stall tactic
because it's a story arc that's very near
and dear to my heart. So then I
would would Lois and Clark have been
the juggernaut that it was? Because it was
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a big, big hair deal. I remember in
the nineties when it was on, we watched
it every every week. Yeah. It it was
less CTV.
Would it have been that big of a
deal if the storyline because as a as
a kid watching it, I had no idea.
I didn't read comics. I wasn't a comic
as a kid.
So I I I would say that it
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it probably helped it, you know, that,
the the comp like, the the younger audience
that was reading the comics. Because prior to
that, I would say that the 2 biggest
superhero properties in the early nineties were Batman
and the x men. Like, they had those
Saturday morning cartoons. They were really great in
the the comic books. Nobody was really reading
Superman. But, like, if you were a superhero
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fan,
I think
the whole death of Superman thing probably
led you into wanting to watch Lois and
Clark. If you were just the general audience
that wasn't really tapped into that,
I think, like, the fact that they they
cast Dean Cain and Terry Hatcher who are
both, you know, beautiful celebrities, and, you know,
it was a good show. I think I
I think it it it stood on its
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own 2 feet for sure. Yeah. I think,
obviously, the comic book thing helped, but I
I think they were going for an audience
that was much bigger than that.
So Kat Grant is the manager
on the show that you and I would
just send emojis back and forth. Like, what
is she wearing? How is this appropriate office
wear? Yeah. And and the liaisons that she
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would have at the office and the lingerie
she would pull out of her office tours.
Like, she was a caricature,
but a really fun one. And you're telling
me that that is a character that was
from the comic book? Yeah. They introduced her,
I want to say, 1986.
She was one of the first characters that
they did when they rebooted.
She was introduced as a love interest for
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Clark.
She
was kind of a mess. Like, she was
an alcoholic single mom
trying to get her life together.
And Clark was just never really feeling it,
which I think is, you know, I mean,
take out the alcoholic and the single mom.
Clark never really, like and she was, like,
sort of a love interest on Lewis and
Clark, but, like, Clark was never really feeling
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it. Even when Clark loses his memory in
this season, he has amnesia. She's coming on
to him hard. He's like, wait, we we
weren't. Right? Like, you know?
He all has always had eyes for for
looks. He doesn't really want anybody else. Even
without his memory, he's like, no, no, no.
I mean, Kat was portrayed on this show
in a way that she was not in
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any other,
Superman media
as basically a sexual predator. I mean, there's
a Yeah. Like, there's there's cougar and there's
sexual predator. Like,
I mean, when you when you come on
to a man who has no memory and
tell him, like,
you don't remember us? You know? Like, you
are
you are crossing a certain line
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that she had no qualms crossing
her. In an episode, she's going to, like,
the priest in the, the confessional.
And remember, like, she's like, aren't there certain
things you wanna experience before you die? You
hear the bible drop, and you just hear
him tear ass
out of the the boots or whatever. Mhmm.
Like a professional.
Yeah. Yeah. She was one of the most
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fun characters on that show, but certainly problematic
and certainly
not believable in any way. Just super fun
caricature silliness. I mean, I I wasn't in
the workforce in the 19 eighties. I don't
know what things were like then.
I've heard stories, you know, that the eighties
were just like one big party.
But Pat Grant, I mean, like, the the
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outfits that she would come in and, they
were basically like
Lingerie? Lingerie. Yeah. I was I was looking
for a word like BDSM lingerie
at times, but there was, like, the occasional
episode where she wore something, like,
somewhat appropriate for the office. But that's me
thinking today.
I mean
The only time that she wore something appropriate
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is when she was trying to manipulate somebody
in town. She was something she wasn't.
She I mean, yeah, there were times where
we were watching it. We were like, this
is halfway okay.
Yeah. But mostly it was just not okay.
Yeah.
Anyway. So
to to continue on the the cast, the,
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like, the perfect casting, I wanna talk about,
was it Michael Shea
as Lex Luthor?
Yes. Or sorry. Sorry. Not Michael Shea. John
Shea. John Shea as Lex Luthor. Yes. Yes.
I'm sorry. I messed that up.
That's Luthor. Absolutely perfect. Yeah. Yeah. Best Luther
ever. And, oh, gosh. Are we I mean,
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the show's 3 years old. I know where
you're going with this. Alright. We we're covering
Lois and Clark season 1 right now. Yeah.
Just before. Gonna assume that you saw Lois
and Clark season 1. That you saw this
little thing pop up on your feed, and
you're like, oh, they're gonna watch Lois and
Clark season 1. I'll watch Lois and Clark
season 1, or I remember Lois and Clark
season 1. We will not spoil anything beyond
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season 1. Right.
But, yeah, I think it's fair to discuss,
you know, the the season finale. So go
ahead.
Okay. So
just leading up to the season finale,
let's talk first about what a great Lex
Luthor he was. He was
charming and smooth and handsome,
manipulative.
Yeah.
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But but seems to genuinely love Lois
Lane, which
I'm not sure.
I mean, he's a sociopath, right? So you
can't really love. So I think a lot
of
the the character is pride and ego. Like,
I think
so much of what drives him is that
he used to get all the attention in,
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you know, Metropolis, and now Superman gets all
the attention in Metropolis. Right. And I think
that carries over to Lois Lane. He always
seemed to have, like, an interest in her,
but
I think it really flares up. I don't
know. I don't know. I'm trying to remember
the pilot if he seemed genuinely interested in
her before.
In the pilot episode
in the pilot episode, he did not know,
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Lois Lane. He toured a big party, and,
she got invited, and Terry got invited.
And she was still calling him mister Luther,
and he met him for the first time
at that party. And so she was enamored
with his wealth and his persona and the
fact that he's this wealthy industrialist business fan
in the city,
but he didn't know her at all. He
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I think he only decided to pursue her.
You're right. After it became clear
that Superman is the next big thing. He's
replaced Lex Luthor in the minds and imaginations
of Populist.
And,
as part of that, Willis Lane is now
packaged deal, sorta.
Well, I mean, Lois Lane is more enamored
with Superman than anybody at this point. So
Yeah. Yeah. If this is the ultimate thing
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I can't have.
Right. And from the man who has everything.
You know?
Yeah. So anyway,
best Lex Luthor I've ever seen better than
Gene Hackman Sure. Better than Michael, whatever his
name was in Smallville. I mean, Shannon. Yeah.
Not that he was allowed to be really
evil. Yeah. Well, no. Michael Shannon was, Zod.
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The,
the man of steel Oh. Like, Sulthor was
the guy from,
the the social network.
Jesse Eisenberg, I wanna say.
Oh my god. That was Jesse Eisenberg involved
in Smallville? Yeah. Not oh, you're talking about
Smallville. Michael Rosenbaum.
Yes. Him. I thought you were talking about
Man of Steel. Sorry. There's so many of
these guys. Yeah. There was,
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there was,
Gene Hackman,
Kevin Spacey,
Michael Rosenbaum Spacey. Jesse Eisenberg.
And, is is there somebody I'm forgetting? Is
there a series? I don't think so.
Yeah. Yeah. I feel like there's gotta be
more. There's probably more. I'm I'm just, you
know, drawing a blank. But yeah. But, yeah,
my, John Shea is the best Luther I've
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ever seen. Absolutely. And he was well written.
He was three-dimensional.
He he had
feelings,
I guess. He wasn't just a caricature the
way that Kat Grant kinda was.
And they killed him off.
Yeah.
Season finale, season 1.
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Which I
I I also think is is
a good move because
it it it almost got a little too
overused in I mean, this this is like
a 23,
24 episode season. Like, you know, one of
those vintage
TV shows, and every single thing that went
wrong in Metropolis,
he was behind it. Like, every single episode,
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he was the driving force.
And, I mean, had they cut that in
half, let's say, like, maybe half of the
stuff was his fault, then I could see
moving forward with Lex. But
but I think it was a good move
to say, like, okay, next season, totally different.
Like, we're not gonna have Lexi. You know?
It's a bold move to kill off such
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an such an amazing character on your show.
But yeah. He was the the ultimate villain.
Like, he was so
good at it. Top of the world.
Yeah.
I I just don't see how they're gonna
and you and I have not started watching
season 2 yet.
I don't know. Although, I have seen the
the rest of the show many times, so
I know where it's going. But, yeah, go
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ahead.
I just don't know how they're gonna replace
him as a a good villain.
Well,
I don't think it's spoilery to say that
from from here on out, I wouldn't say
that there is one, like, unified villain. Like,
I think you're gonna have
more like
Monster of the week. Yeah. I mean, that's
that's a good way of calling it.
(26:32):
I mean, there are gonna be some story
arcs.
And,
yeah, I don't I don't wanna give too
much away. But yeah. That's alright. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I know. I
yeah.
But, anyway, the parents. Hey. Let's let's Oh.
Let's go to k konan and Eddie Jones.
Yeah. I loved his relationship with his parents.
(26:54):
All of those phone calls
where his parents were on the 2,
mobile phones. Yeah. What were they called?
The wireless phones, because they weren't necessarily like
cell phones. They were just like cordless. Yeah.
His parents were on the 2 cordless phones
in the house. He was on the phone
talking to him and like dealing with problems.
And like,
(27:14):
they were so adorable. I was shipping his
parents so hard.
And there was a conscious effort to make
them cool in the same way that, like,
Clark became cool. Like, if you think about,
like, what Clark's parents would have been like
in, say, like, the Christopher Reeve movies or
or anything,
they were, you know, the the small town
squares. Remember when Lois comes to their house
(27:37):
Yeah. In season 1, and she's, like, trying
to explain to them what a fax machine
is because, like,
first of all, this is when faxes were
were new and cool.
Yes. She's like, you know, you you put
a paper in and it comes out, and
they're like, no. No. No. That's okay. If
you're expecting a fax, I'll feed the thing.
You know? Like, just wanna make sure we
have enough paper and toner in there. You
know?
There was a very clear, like, no. No.
(27:59):
No. No. These are okay. Like, because these
are the people that Clark is gonna be
bouncing off of in every episode, especially before
anybody else knows who he is.
Exactly.
Yeah. Yeah. I loved that so much. And
it was it was like like I said,
it was a very, like, gen x early
millennial thing to kind of say, like, the
parents are gonna be more of a part
(28:19):
of your life. You know? Whereas, like, I
don't know, previous generations, Superman was just, like,
good being like, okay, they're gone.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I feel like in a lot of comic
books, they use,
the death of a friend
to make their origin story
extra dramatic.
Like, Batman's origin story always includes that robbery
(28:42):
in the alley that ends with his parents
dying or being you know, the the mugging.
Right? Yeah. And it is
one of the reasons why he is so
filled with darkness and his need to save
Gotham
versus burn it to the ground, which is
another Yeah. That could have been another legitimate
reaction to to that experience as a kid.
(29:06):
I feel like a lot of comic books
use that trope
and lean on it Yeah. Heavily, like, too
heavily some of those, versus
this this well adjusted
boy scout who just wants to do good.
I really I thought that was a a
lot less boring
because back then I think can be kinda
(29:26):
boring.
Sorry. Not sorry. Certainly a one note kinda
thing. Like, he's not super dimensional.
Yeah. No. No.
Some of that. I think,
was it Alan Moore, who is the the
writer of Watchmen v for Vendetta,
he once said, I'm sick and tired of
Batman stories. Like, we we've written
(29:47):
everything we need to read about Batman. You
know? Like Yeah. Let's move on and try
something new.
Yeah. I mean,
god, someday, we we need to add Watchmen
to this
The TV show. To the list. Yeah. The
TV show because that Big blue.
Work of art. Big blue.
That was a work of art. I mean,
(30:09):
that episode
that that season of television.
And as much as I wanted it to
keep going, there was you know, it was
perfectly
Yeah. I don't think there's gonna be a
season 2. I mean, if they would have
done it by now. Right? Yeah.
There doesn't need to be a season 2.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it is perfect. We're
we're gonna get into the fact that Lost
is above and beyond my favorite show ever.
(30:31):
Watchmen was done by Damon Lindelof, who was
the co runner of Lost. Yeah. So I
was all in, and I I did really
love that show. Yeah.
More so than I think I loved Watchmen
in general. Like, I was never the biggest
fan of Watchmen. I like I liked it,
both as a comic and a movie. It
was fine, but
I don't know. I guess I just
(30:53):
I was never okay. So I'm not a
comic book person, but I I did see
the movie, which predates
the TV show. Yeah.
And the movie felt
silly
in in many
like, some of the costumes just looked silly.
Some of the conversations
were just
facile. Do you know what I mean? Like,
(31:14):
it's just
I don't know which version of the movie
you watched. There's,
there's like a theatrical cut, then there's a
much longer director's cut, then there's an even
longer than that ultimate cut. Now I will
tell you that it gets better and better
the longer it is. Is it
worth watching like a 4 hour movie to
(31:34):
get like the better version of this? Probably
not. But,
the longer it becomes, the more faithful to
the book it becomes, which I guess is
what makes it better. But yeah. But but
even still, like, you're right. Like you say,
like, you know, that those comic book
costumes and whatnot, they don't always translate very
well to the screen. And
(31:56):
I don't know.
I think Watchmen was also kind of a
story that was kinda grounded in its time.
You know, we were we were worried about
certain political,
you know, geopolitical issues. And now, I mean,
you can always say
I don't wanna get super political. Maybe we'll
decide on that later. But, like, you can
always say that these things are doomed to
repeat themselves,
but it was definitely a story that was
(32:18):
very much a product of its time.
But but Lois and Clark. I don't I
don't even know how we went down that
rabbit hole. I don't know.
We should we should name the show the
rabbit hole. The rabbit hole.
That probably already exists, though. Probably. Probably.
But, but, yeah, Lois and Mark, overall
thoughts on season 1. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.
(32:40):
We haven't even talked about, like, Jimmy, Perry.
Oh. And, I mean, you can you can
kinda combine your thoughts on a lot of
these. Like, it was
a very unique thing to have Perry be
like an Elvis fanatic.
I wanna know who made that decision. Like,
in in
what universe
has Perry ever been a fan of Elvis?
(33:02):
It was just this. Yeah. Because his his
whole thing was great Caesar's ghost. That's what
he said all the time on
the George Reeves Adventures of Superman show Right.
Which we should mention
kind of carries the same template. That's why
this is the new Adventures of Superman.
The Adventures of Superman was like, something goes
wrong.
Maybe Superman shows up and fails. Maybe not.
(33:25):
Lois and Clark, as reporters,
investigate
what's going on.
As soon as they figure out, like, you
know, the answer to this whole, like, puzzle,
Clark makes, like, a weird excuse,
bounces out, Superman comes in and saves the
day right at the end there. And the
beauty of that is that you get that
character reaction between Lois and Clark, and you
don't have to pay too much of a
(33:46):
special effects budget for the sake of, like,
Superman only showing up for, like, the last
few minutes or so. This is that show
with, you know,
more romance.
Yeah.
So I wanna talk to the writer. So
in the writer's room, who decided to make
Perry
a,
an Elvis fan because that was such a
(34:06):
fun
detail.
It was unexpected
and a little silly.
But,
what's the name of the Lanesmith? Lanesmith. He
Lanesmith. I'd love it if it was his
idea. Like Oh my god. Instead of saying
great shades of ghosts or great Caesar's ghost,
and this is where I was going with
it. I I know at some point really
early on, and it could have been the
pilot, it could have been one of those
(34:27):
first couple episodes, He does say great shades
of Elvis,
and I wonder if that was just his
idea. I would love it if it was.
Like, you know?
Same. Same. I
he is also a national treasure, Lance Smith.
I think he's amazing,
and I thought he was fantastic and hilarious
on this show. Yeah.
And
I think I just love the fact that,
(34:48):
that he
that the character loved Elvis. It was such
a fun detail.
Chewy, on the other hand,
was such a wasted character.
Okay. I was really disappointed
that they couldn't didn't do more with Jimmy.
And I'm not sure they could have.
But Well, I mean, Jimmy's gonna have a
greater role going forward. I mean, it's interesting
(35:08):
you say that. There is gonna be a
gutting of this show come season 2.
Deborah Deborah Joy LaVine, who was the showrunner,
is going to be fired.
The entire writing team is gonna be fired.
And with them,
Kat Grant,
Jimmy and Jack are all fired as well.
And obviously,
John Shea, who plays Lex Luthor, died in
(35:30):
the season finale. So he's gone as well.
So if you think about that, that is
like half the cast.
All the writers and the showrunner
gone.
So, yeah, Jimmy is gonna be one of
those casualties. Now Jimmy is going to be
recast with, Justin Whalen.
So you'll you'll get a different Jimmy next
season. But yeah.
You're right.
(35:51):
Yeah. I
mean,
yeah, it was a wasted opportunity in a
lot of ways. Like, I think,
was it Landis, I think his name was?
I'd like to pull this up. Hold on.
Yeah. Michael Landis
was Jimmy in the 1st season, and he
had some charisma.
I think the reason they they decided to
fire him come season 2
(36:11):
was that they they felt like he was
too similar in look to Dean Cain.
They both had those, like, you know, the
dark hair and the I don't know. Like,
I I I can look at Michael Landis
and Dean Cain and say a and b
and know the difference, but I guess they
felt he was a little too similar.
Yeah. I didn't think that they looked alike
(36:31):
at all. I mean, they have the same
color there. That's it. Yeah. Exactly. And I
mean, especially when you think about the fact
that, like, every opportunity they get on this
show, they're like, hey, did you know that
Dean Cain is an athlete?
Every
like, almost every episode. Like, the cold openings
where he's, like, playing baseball with himself, and
he's fast enough to play every position,
(36:53):
or he's playing basketball,
you know, and it's probably the same thing.
I'm sure there was one where he was
doing football. It was it was basically like
the bono's
of of the era. I don't know. Yeah.
No. Totally. What about the,
at least every other episode,
the required shirtless scene? Sure. Dean Cain is
like Hey. Did you know that Dean Cain
(37:14):
is an athlete?
Did did you know that he's got some
abs? Yeah. Go on. Where's where's your mom,
kids? She needs to come watch the show
with you. Pat Grant coins the phrase god
in a cape.
God in a cape. I love it. Yeah.
Overall, we do. And we we didn't really
talk much about Dean Cain and Terry Hatcher,
(37:34):
but they were perfect. They had amazing chemistry.
Yeah. I love Dean Cain to death. Like,
if you tell me, close your eyes,
Superman, Dean Cain is what comes up in
my head. And I think that's a product
of how old I was when this came
out. I think I was, like, approximately 10.
James Bond, Batman, and Superman are always gonna
be the person to you that they were
(37:55):
when you were, like, 10, 12 years old.
But but Dean Cain was just awesome, and
I I loved him so much.
I got to meet him at Comic Con,
and he was one of those few people
that genuinely
felt
like like he was more excited to meet
me
as his fan
than I was to meet him. And believe
me, I was excited to meet him. So
(38:16):
yeah. It was very cool. Nice. Yeah.
Oh, very cool. Very cool.
So I guess, some final thoughts on season
1. Did you have any particular favorite episodes,
ones that you rolled your eyes at, anything
like that?
No. I don't remember anything standing out that
that I loved or hated. I thought,
(38:38):
I really am gonna miss Kat. I'm really
bummed that she was part of that getting
because she added
an element of
zaniness
that I think the show needed to balance
how serious
I mean, Lois takes everything too seriously, including
herself. Let's be real. Yeah. And,
(38:58):
I think Well, one of the the reasons
that we started watching this show, I one
of us I I think I called Lois
Lane a lunatic or something like that. You
were like, what?
So Yeah. Yeah. That's the reason. We're gonna
get more of I mean, there were moments
certainly where Lois was kind of a lunatic
in season 1. But if you talk about
some of that silliness,
Lois is gonna be a little bit more
(39:19):
of a lunatic come season 2. Alright.
Yeah. I like it.
I I think my favorite episode from season
1 was the the meteor, the one we
we mentioned it before where Clark gets the
and everything.
I just really loved it because I I
think, like, it it added a certain amount
of, first of all, some some humor to
it. Like, Clark is like, why do I
(39:41):
have Superman
costumes in my,
my closet? You know? Like but it
Which begged the question.
Really, Clark? That's where you keep your that's
where you keep your Right? Like, there was
I think there this season, there was an
episode where his,
apartment gets robbed by,
Jack. And I was just like, this is
(40:01):
why we don't do that.
Like, this is why we don't keep the
orb that has all the collected knowledge of
Krypton in our sock drawer or whatever it
was. You know? Like Seriously. But, also, I'm
never you're never going to sufficiently explain to
me how he can be standing in street
clothes and 2 seconds later be in his
Superman costume
(40:22):
10 blocks away. Like, where does he change?
Like, where Well, he's fast enough that he
can just, like
you know, the the the Superman outfit is
on underneath the the clothing. No. So it's
just ripping off, like, the the suit and
everything. You know? No. It it's not. Because
you gotta have that iconic, like, moving the
the tie and, you know, opening up everyone's
(40:43):
in a while, it is on underneath. Not
always. So I'm sorry. You're not gonna move
that argument yet.
Maybe we'll see one in a in a
future season. They'll they'll make it a little
bit clear. I don't know. I would love
that. I can tell you that one of
my favorite things about this entire series, and
I won't give anything away, but my favorite
episode ever, I think, is in season 2.
It's when we're first introduced to H. G.
(41:04):
Wells
as a character.
That is the episode where they give the
whole,
why can,
Superman be standing in front of Lois Lane
as Clark
and Superman and she not, like, you know,
put it together? They do a beautiful job
of doing that in season 2 of explaining
or giving an explanation for that. And I
(41:25):
just loved it. And I think that's I
can't wait. Yeah. And that's that's one of
those things that I love about this show
is that
it got it was a superhero show,
but they weren't afraid to, like, lean into
emotion. So that was one of the things
I loved about the meteor episode was that
at the end, Lois gives this whole, like,
heartfelt, like, you know, Superman,
(41:46):
you know, it's everything he can do and
everything he stands for. And that flood of
emotions, he feels it, and then he remembers
like, oh, yeah.
Yeah. So
it never,
shied away from that. Maybe going forward,
when it gets a little too romantic, it
maybe leans too much into that
and not enough into the superhero. But for
(42:06):
now, I think it's it's a perfect balance.
And it it was one of my
I mean, up until the the moment, we'll
call it September 20 something, 2004 when Lost
premiered,
This was my favorite show of all time,
so we'll we'll call it a close second
now.
Yeah. That's incredible. Yeah. Alright.
Well, on that note, I think
(42:29):
we wrap up. Yeah. Do you have any,
final, like, recommendations? Would you recommend
Lois and Clark season 1? Yeah. Alright. Then
I, obviously, I would as well.
Listeners out there, you should join us. You
should check out Lois and Clark seasons 1
and 2.
I'm not necessarily saying that the next episode
of the show will be Lois and Clark
season 2, but we will get to that,
(42:49):
at some point soon.
And when you when you find this episode,
if you disagree with anything that we've had
to say, put us on the glass. Let
us know in the comments. We wanna know.
Yeah. Write in and and let us know.
I I mean, this is one of our
early shows here. So let us know shows
that you love, that you want us to
check out, you know, and What should we
watch? If we're interested enough in it, we'll
we'll definitely check them out.
(43:11):
100%.
Alright. Until next time.
Later.
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So here we are. Here we are.
It feels like, both A Long Time Coming
and the natural progression of what always should
(00:52):
have been.
Yeah. If if you're new to the to
the Vinnie and Kate podcasting thing, this is
the spiritual successor to the podcast that we
did for Work Other People's Business.
We did that for 6 years,
and a a portion of that show was
spent talking about television.
Now we're gonna really, like, take that and
(01:13):
extrapolate it out and do, like, a whole
show on just that.
So, Kate, I'm gonna let you get started
here.
Alright. So,
one of my favorite things about other people's
business was at the very beginning, the icebreaker,
what are you currently binging? So I am
going to insist
that we continue
that question even though it's just you and
(01:34):
I. Right. Because I was gonna say the
whole point of that was getting an icebreaker
with the guest. But since there's no guest,
there's it's fine. It's fine. It's fine. What
are you currently bingeing?
Alright. Well, so I have been sick for
the last week, and I have been bingeing,
a show that I used to love a
lot,
Good Bones
on HBO. It's like an HGTV
(01:56):
show, which is very outside.
But I think because I was sick, I
didn't wanna have to follow plot lines. I
didn't wanna have to think too hard. It
was just every episode,
they buy a rundown crappy house, and they
make it beautiful. And they show it off
to people, and then they sell it. Like,
it's just like a reality show, or this
is a fictional show about people who do
that? No. I guess it's a reality show
(02:17):
all the way along. In mind that all
reality shows about, like, these houses are totally
fictional.
So I'm learning that. So Yeah. You're 100%.
When I think of reality shows, I think
of the Kardashians or,
the Kardashians. Also totally fictional. But
Yeah. You're probably right. Yeah. So anyway but
this was, it's a home improvement ish show,
(02:40):
and I just bought a house, and I'm
rehabbing it. And so it's sort of on
my mind to, like, revisit some of these
cool things. And
I only got to episode or seasons 4
out of 8.
And one of the main characters is always
wearing these, like, T shirts that say addicted
to kindness
or
human AF or whatever.
(03:02):
So the the persona that she's trying to
project is one of, like,
peace, love, kindness, blah blah blah. And she's
one of the meanest people
I've ever seen on TV.
She she's just, you know, picking at people
and
making fun of people and pranking people and
(03:22):
good naturedly,
of course. But,
I don't know that I would wanna work
for her. Sure.
So, anyway, I I was binging Good Bones,
which is, an HGTV.
It was currently on, HBO.
And now that I'm feeling better, I don't
know that I'll ever go back to it.
I don't need to
if you've seen one show, you've seen them
all. You know? Yeah. I don't wanna name
(03:43):
names,
or or name shows because I have no
idea how litigious they are about this kind
of stuff.
But I have you know, 2 of my
friends,
were on a a very popular,
you know,
house getting show.
And
they they they viewed, like, 3 houses or
something. I I don't remember how many houses
(04:04):
there were. But at the end of the
episode, they picked their house. And when I
say they picked their house, I mean, they
picked the house that they had already purchased
and had been living in for some time
before the show.
You know? So when we say they are
fictional, that's that's what I mean. You know?
That's amazing.
Yeah.
I have no words. That's amazing.
(04:26):
Yeah. So just know that, like, none of
these things it's it's all just entertainment. And
and there's nothing wrong with that. Like, if
you're sick on the couch and
you have a good time looking at these
shows about people who go into houses and,
you
know, pick them apart and you know? I
I always love when they're like, so and
so is a journalist making $26,000
a year. And they're like, well, wait a
(04:48):
minute, but we have to have an indoor
pool. You know?
His budget is $1,200,000.
Yeah. Exactly.
And the wife is always like, no. I
need that slip.
I need a closet that is 10 by
10. I need it. I need a 10
by 10.
10 by 10 is sort of the minimum.
My dorm room in college was like 10
(05:08):
by 15. You know? I know. It needs
to be like 20 by 20.
Yeah. So what have I been bingeing? I've
been bingeing
actually,
I've I've been picking up the evil dead
movies on 4 k Blu ray, and I've
been bingeing them in the order that they
came in. I just finished the last of
them, and so I've been considering
(05:29):
going back and rewatching the TV show because
it's been enough time since Ash versus Evil
Dead was on
that I mean, I kinda remember the broad
strokes, and I remember how it ends, but
very little in between. You know?
Bruce Campbell is a national treasure. I think
I think he does.
I'm on the work for yeah. Except for
(05:50):
scary locals like those. I don't watch those
at all. Some of them are scarier than
others. Like, I think you wouldn't find the
army of darkness scary. I mean, I don't
know if you've ever seen it.
I have once in college. Jimmy Choo Sugar
Baby is the guy. I mean, that's just
a quote fest. It's it's like so many
little one liners like hail to the king,
baby, and groovy, and all that.
(06:10):
Hail to the king, baby. I forgot all
of that. Evil Dead
1
is intended to be, like, legit scary. And
then 2 is supposed to be kind of
a combination of scary and funny. And then
3, which is army of darkness went, like,
all funny.
And then Yeah.
They remade it in 2013,
and that was like
(06:32):
I would say it was intended there's nothing
funny about it. It's intended to be scary,
but, like, I feel like they've done the
whole zombies in the woods thing so many
times at this point that it felt a
little overdone. This is the new one that
came out, as of the time we're recording
this this year
was
that was legit.
I'm not gonna say I was terrified or
(06:53):
anything. You know? It takes a lot. You
know? I I watch a lot of these
things, but I could see, like, an average
person getting pretty scared watching evil dead rise.
So Yeah. I have no interest in that.
I'm not Did you see the commercial?
Like, do you at least know, like, okay.
So evil dead
rise is about,
it's like a mom and her 3 kids
(07:13):
in an apartment.
And there's an earthquake,
and one of the kids, you know, is,
like, in the the parking garage of the
apartment complex, and he he sees, like, a
hole in the ground. And he looks in,
and there's a book.
So, you know, we pull the book out,
and,
you know, madness ensues. But what makes it
terrifying
is that these kids are stuck in an
(07:34):
apartment
with the mom who becomes, like, the deadite.
And this is not, like, army of darkness
deadite where it's comedy. This is, like, legit.
Like, she is
absolutely trying to kill them. Like you know?
And when you're, like, a little kid and,
you know, it's your mom,
you know, it's it's a whole thing.
(07:55):
Yeah. That sounds terrifying. Yeah. It is. Reminds
me sorry. Go ahead. No. I was gonna
say it it it I mean, if if
I was somebody who had, like, less of
a tolerance for this thing, it absolutely would
be. Yeah.
It reminds me of Shauna Lavette. Like, do
you remember the scene
where they're driving in the car, and they
they picked up his mom and her husband,
And he's always had this lovey relationship with
(08:16):
the the his stepfather,
but they've rescued both of them
because the zombie apocalypse has happened.
And they're driving in the car,
and
he turns. Like, he's been bitten, and suddenly,
6 people are in the sedan,
and the stepfather has become a zombie.
And he's looking around at lunch, essentially, and
(08:38):
they're they're just
very slowly realizing
that the threat is inside the building. Yeah.
And they, you know oh my god. Yeah.
That's what it is. Yeah.
So that that's what I've been binging.
I'm speaking of Ash versus Evil Dead, I'm
trying to get Kate to watch Chucky
so that, hopefully, one of the next few
episodes of this show will be that. But
(09:00):
yeah.
So, actually, that's a good, segue into what
the premise of this show is.
Right? So we're gonna start every episode with
what are you currently binging.
But the idea of the show is to
talk about 1 season of 1 show
and really dig into
what was good, what was bad, what we
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hated. So
the first show that we're gonna do is
Lois and Clark season 1. And the reason
we're doing that, even though it came out
20, 30 years ago now, I don't wanna
think about it.
Whenever 1993
to 1996
happened to be. Right?
I think that's 30 years. Maybe 97.
(09:41):
19 yeah. Anyway, so,
we talked about Lewis and Clark extensively.
We talked about superheroes a lot on other
people's business. Yeah. But,
we talked about Lois and Clark extensively
on other people's business. And so we thought
it was just fitting that the first,
show that we talk about in this show
is gonna be Lois and Clark season
(10:02):
1. Yeah. And so Vinny and I did
a solid for all of you listeners. We
watched every single episode
together,
him on his couch, me on my couch,
texting each other
the, the eye rolls and the oh my
gods and the,
you know, the laugh out loud, so they
intentionally are not.
(10:23):
And, so, yeah, that is the premise of
this show. So do you wanna tell us
any your thoughts on Melissa and Clark season
1? Sure. Let me give just a little
background on the show first because I think
it actually it comes in handy when you're
putting the show into a context.
In the 19 eighties,
DC Comics rebooted the Superman comics. That that
means, like, anything that happened before 1986 was
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cleared off the slate. We were remaking it.
So the ship comes down from Krypton again.
We reintroduce all the characters, all of that.
They wanted it to be more grounded in
reality. So a little bit more sci fi
based,
and they wanted it to,
like, kind of appeal to people more at
that time. So if you think about, like,
a a gen x 1986
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younger millennial audience,
the parents became a much bigger deal. Like,
if you think about
pre 1986 Superman, like any movie you've seen,
the first thing they do when Superman grows
up is kill off either both parents or
just
the dad and then maybe the mom later.
But the the parents really became, like, a
big deal in the Superman comics in the
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late eighties early nineties. And then the other
thing they did was bring the the bullpen
of the daily planet,
to more of a forefront.
So it used to just be kind of
Lois and Clark. Now it was Lois Clark,
Kat Grant, Ron Troupe, Steve Lombard, all these
people who kinda came together and made a
camaraderie so that Clark Kent could be a
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more three-dimensional
character. You can have people to talk to
that wasn't just Jimmy Olsen, like the the
high school geeky kid. And then
because Clark was more of a three-dimensional character,
they wanted him to have a romance. And
so
they had this romance that they made between
him and Lois Lane, and it culminated in
Superman number 50 where Clark Kent asks Lois
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to marry him. She says yes, and that's
when Warner Brothers comes knocking on the door
and is like, hold up. You can't do
that. And they're like, what do you mean
we can't do that? They're like, well Wait.
You can't marry them. We we are actually
planning on making a TV show,
where Lois and Clark are gonna have a
romance, and it's gonna culminate in, like, them
getting married. And we don't want you to
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do it first. So you have to stop
whatever you're planning here. And they're like, woah.
Wait a minute. We've been planning this for
years. Like, this has this has been like
a thing that we've been building towards, and
we just got them engaged. And that's out
on the newsstand. Like, people can buy it
right now. We swear to God, they're engaged.
And they're like, well, hold on. Just wait.
And they're like, well, what do you mean
just wait? Like, how long do we have
to wait for them to get married on
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your shirt? You haven't even started yet. They're
like, well, it'll be a few years. So
what they decided to do was kill him,
and that
gave them time to stall. So the death
of Superman happens, I think, November 1992 or
so,
and he stays dead long enough to give
the TV show an opportunity to start.
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And because the the national media picks this
up, like, hold up. Superman is dead,
it brings Superman comic book sales through the
sun, which gives Lois and Clark
the opportunity to start at, like, a newfound
popularity for the character.
So they they took pretty much everything from
that comic book that I just said, like
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the daily planet bullpen,
you know, the romance between Lois and Clark,
the relationship with the parents, even certain characters
that they introduced like Kat Grant and whatnot.
And the other big,
change that the comic books made prior to
1986,
Lex Luthor was just a mad scientist
because he was introduced in the 19 forties
post atomic bomb. And Lex Luthor has always
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been kind of this flexible character that can
be whatever you need him to be. Like,
in the eighties, he became this billionaire philanthropist,
you know, CEO type who was actually, you
know, evil behind the scenes, but people didn't
know.
If you think about Smallville,
you know, what's the when you have a
teen show, what's the the scariest thing you
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can imagine? It's the best friend that stabs
you in the back and steals your girlfriend.
In 2000,
not that we wanna get super political here,
Lex Luthor becomes president of the United States
once George w Bush becomes president of the
United States.
So
there's always that history there. So, yes, that's
that's kind of the the background of that
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show.
I have so many
freaking questions. Go ahead. Go ahead.
So first of all,
the comic book industry, I thought, was a
power unto itself.
Does Warner Brothers own
DC? Yeah.
Well, alright. I had no idea. Yeah. That
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that makes alright. Well, because I'm like, how
are they allowed to just tell it that
Right. You know, like, sorry.
TV is more important than comic books, so
we're just gonna knock on your door. No.
No. No. But, yeah, that that's what they
did,
you know, for better or worse. I mean,
we got the maybe the biggest story of
19 nineties to come out of, Superman comics.
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I mean, it it took Superman from a
character who was not you know, he's always
around. People like him, but nobody's, like, really
engaging with Superman.
Then suddenly, he dies. Yeah. Suddenly, he dies,
and it jumps that popularity up. Like, I
think they sold millions of copies at that
point. So They were printing money.
What was the who was the main character
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in the story line of the comics if
Superman is dead? Like Okay. So
there was a there was a brief period
there where they did like a funeral story
arc. Like, you know, everybody's reacting to his
death and, you know, the world is getting
on without him.
And then,
they actually stopped printing the books for a
little while.
I would say probably a half a year.
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I can't remember exactly how long it was,
but it was just long enough that people
are still engaged,
but not, you know, the next week, let's
say. Sure. Then what they did was they
they introduced 4 characters
who are going to kind of take the
mantle of Superman. It was,
Superboy,
Steel,
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the Eradicator,
and Cyborg Superman.
And the idea was
each of these 4
were like the the one that could be
the person to replace Superman. And some of
them, like 2 of them, the Eradicator and
Cyborg Superman,
looked identical to Superman in many respects.
And so people were like, which one is
the real Superman? And it wound up being
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none of them.
But it was this big story arc that,
you know, lasted, I want to say, like,
a year where they sorted all this out.
And again, it was a stall tactic, but
it was it was a fantastic stall tactic
because it's a story arc that's very near
and dear to my heart. So then I
would would Lois and Clark have been
the juggernaut that it was? Because it was
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a big, big hair deal. I remember in
the nineties when it was on, we watched
it every every week. Yeah. It it was
less CTV.
Would it have been that big of a
deal if the storyline because as a as
a kid watching it, I had no idea.
I didn't read comics. I wasn't a comic
as a kid.
So I I I would say that it
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it probably helped it, you know, that,
the the comp like, the the younger audience
that was reading the comics. Because prior to
that, I would say that the 2 biggest
superhero properties in the early nineties were Batman
and the x men. Like, they had those
Saturday morning cartoons. They were really great in
the the comic books. Nobody was really reading
Superman. But, like, if you were a superhero
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fan,
I think
the whole death of Superman thing probably
led you into wanting to watch Lois and
Clark. If you were just the general audience
that wasn't really tapped into that,
I think, like, the fact that they they
cast Dean Cain and Terry Hatcher who are
both, you know, beautiful celebrities, and, you know,
it was a good show. I think I
I think it it it stood on its
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own 2 feet for sure. Yeah. I think,
obviously, the comic book thing helped, but I
I think they were going for an audience
that was much bigger than that.
So Kat Grant is the manager
on the show that you and I would
just send emojis back and forth. Like, what
is she wearing? How is this appropriate office
wear? Yeah. And and the liaisons that she
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would have at the office and the lingerie
she would pull out of her office tours.
Like, she was a caricature,
but a really fun one. And you're telling
me that that is a character that was
from the comic book? Yeah. They introduced her,
I want to say, 1986.
She was one of the first characters that
they did when they rebooted.
She was introduced as a love interest for
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Clark.
She
was kind of a mess. Like, she was
an alcoholic single mom
trying to get her life together.
And Clark was just never really feeling it,
which I think is, you know, I mean,
take out the alcoholic and the single mom.
Clark never really, like and she was, like,
sort of a love interest on Lewis and
Clark, but, like, Clark was never really feeling
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it. Even when Clark loses his memory in
this season, he has amnesia. She's coming on
to him hard. He's like, wait, we we
weren't. Right? Like, you know?
He all has always had eyes for for
looks. He doesn't really want anybody else. Even
without his memory, he's like, no, no, no.
I mean, Kat was portrayed on this show
in a way that she was not in
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any other,
Superman media
as basically a sexual predator. I mean, there's
a Yeah. Like, there's there's cougar and there's
sexual predator. Like,
I mean, when you when you come on
to a man who has no memory and
tell him, like,
you don't remember us? You know? Like, you
are
you are crossing a certain line
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that she had no qualms crossing
her. In an episode, she's going to, like,
the priest in the, the confessional.
And remember, like, she's like, aren't there certain
things you wanna experience before you die? You
hear the bible drop, and you just hear
him tear ass
out of the the boots or whatever. Mhmm.
Like a professional.
Yeah. Yeah. She was one of the most
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fun characters on that show, but certainly problematic
and certainly
not believable in any way. Just super fun
caricature silliness. I mean, I I wasn't in
the workforce in the 19 eighties. I don't
know what things were like then.
I've heard stories, you know, that the eighties
were just like one big party.
But Pat Grant, I mean, like, the the
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outfits that she would come in and, they
were basically like
Lingerie? Lingerie. Yeah. I was I was looking
for a word like BDSM lingerie
at times, but there was, like, the occasional
episode where she wore something, like,
somewhat appropriate for the office. But that's me
thinking today.
I mean
The only time that she wore something appropriate
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is when she was trying to manipulate somebody
in town. She was something she wasn't.
She I mean, yeah, there were times where
we were watching it. We were like, this
is halfway okay.
Yeah. But mostly it was just not okay.
Yeah.
Anyway. So
to to continue on the the cast, the,
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like, the perfect casting, I wanna talk about,
was it Michael Shea
as Lex Luthor?
Yes. Or sorry. Sorry. Not Michael Shea. John
Shea. John Shea as Lex Luthor. Yes. Yes.
I'm sorry. I messed that up.
That's Luthor. Absolutely perfect. Yeah. Yeah. Best Luther
ever. And, oh, gosh. Are we I mean,
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the show's 3 years old. I know where
you're going with this. Alright. We we're covering
Lois and Clark season 1 right now. Yeah.
Just before. Gonna assume that you saw Lois
and Clark season 1. That you saw this
little thing pop up on your feed, and
you're like, oh, they're gonna watch Lois and
Clark season 1. I'll watch Lois and Clark
season 1, or I remember Lois and Clark
season 1. We will not spoil anything beyond
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season 1. Right.
But, yeah, I think it's fair to discuss,
you know, the the season finale. So go
ahead.
Okay. So
just leading up to the season finale,
let's talk first about what a great Lex
Luthor he was. He was
charming and smooth and handsome,
manipulative.
Yeah.
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But but seems to genuinely love Lois
Lane, which
I'm not sure.
I mean, he's a sociopath, right? So you
can't really love. So I think a lot
of
the the character is pride and ego. Like,
I think
so much of what drives him is that
he used to get all the attention in,
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you know, Metropolis, and now Superman gets all
the attention in Metropolis. Right. And I think
that carries over to Lois Lane. He always
seemed to have, like, an interest in her,
but
I think it really flares up. I don't
know. I don't know. I'm trying to remember
the pilot if he seemed genuinely interested in
her before.
In the pilot episode
in the pilot episode, he did not know,
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Lois Lane. He toured a big party, and,
she got invited, and Terry got invited.
And she was still calling him mister Luther,
and he met him for the first time
at that party. And so she was enamored
with his wealth and his persona and the
fact that he's this wealthy industrialist business fan
in the city,
but he didn't know her at all. He
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I think he only decided to pursue her.
You're right. After it became clear
that Superman is the next big thing. He's
replaced Lex Luthor in the minds and imaginations
of Populist.
And,
as part of that, Willis Lane is now
packaged deal, sorta.
Well, I mean, Lois Lane is more enamored
with Superman than anybody at this point. So
Yeah. Yeah. If this is the ultimate thing
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I can't have.
Right. And from the man who has everything.
You know?
Yeah. So anyway,
best Lex Luthor I've ever seen better than
Gene Hackman Sure. Better than Michael, whatever his
name was in Smallville. I mean, Shannon. Yeah.
Not that he was allowed to be really
evil. Yeah. Well, no. Michael Shannon was, Zod.
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The,
the man of steel Oh. Like, Sulthor was
the guy from,
the the social network.
Jesse Eisenberg, I wanna say.
Oh my god. That was Jesse Eisenberg involved
in Smallville? Yeah. Not oh, you're talking about
Smallville. Michael Rosenbaum.
Yes. Him. I thought you were talking about
Man of Steel. Sorry. There's so many of
these guys. Yeah. There was,
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there was,
Gene Hackman,
Kevin Spacey,
Michael Rosenbaum Spacey. Jesse Eisenberg.
And, is is there somebody I'm forgetting? Is
there a series? I don't think so.
Yeah. Yeah. I feel like there's gotta be
more. There's probably more. I'm I'm just, you
know, drawing a blank. But yeah. But, yeah,
my, John Shea is the best Luther I've
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ever seen. Absolutely. And he was well written.
He was three-dimensional.
He he had
feelings,
I guess. He wasn't just a caricature the
way that Kat Grant kinda was.
And they killed him off.
Yeah.
Season finale, season 1.
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Which I
I I also think is is
a good move because
it it it almost got a little too
overused in I mean, this this is like
a 23,
24 episode season. Like, you know, one of
those vintage
TV shows, and every single thing that went
wrong in Metropolis,
he was behind it. Like, every single episode,
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he was the driving force.
And, I mean, had they cut that in
half, let's say, like, maybe half of the
stuff was his fault, then I could see
moving forward with Lex. But
but I think it was a good move
to say, like, okay, next season, totally different.
Like, we're not gonna have Lexi. You know?
It's a bold move to kill off such
(25:48):
an such an amazing character on your show.
But yeah. He was the the ultimate villain.
Like, he was so
good at it. Top of the world.
Yeah.
I I just don't see how they're gonna
and you and I have not started watching
season 2 yet.
I don't know. Although, I have seen the
the rest of the show many times, so
I know where it's going. But, yeah, go
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ahead.
I just don't know how they're gonna replace
him as a a good villain.
Well,
I don't think it's spoilery to say that
from from here on out, I wouldn't say
that there is one, like, unified villain. Like,
I think you're gonna have
more like
Monster of the week. Yeah. I mean, that's
that's a good way of calling it.
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I mean, there are gonna be some story
arcs.
And,
yeah, I don't I don't wanna give too
much away. But yeah. That's alright. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I know. I
yeah.
But, anyway, the parents. Hey. Let's let's Oh.
Let's go to k konan and Eddie Jones.
Yeah. I loved his relationship with his parents.
(26:54):
All of those phone calls
where his parents were on the 2,
mobile phones. Yeah. What were they called?
The wireless phones, because they weren't necessarily like
cell phones. They were just like cordless. Yeah.
His parents were on the 2 cordless phones
in the house. He was on the phone
talking to him and like dealing with problems.
And like,
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they were so adorable. I was shipping his
parents so hard.
And there was a conscious effort to make
them cool in the same way that, like,
Clark became cool. Like, if you think about,
like, what Clark's parents would have been like
in, say, like, the Christopher Reeve movies or
or anything,
they were, you know, the the small town
squares. Remember when Lois comes to their house
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Yeah. In season 1, and she's, like, trying
to explain to them what a fax machine
is because, like,
first of all, this is when faxes were
were new and cool.
Yes. She's like, you know, you you put
a paper in and it comes out, and
they're like, no. No. No. That's okay. If
you're expecting a fax, I'll feed the thing.
You know? Like, just wanna make sure we
have enough paper and toner in there. You
know?
There was a very clear, like, no. No.
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No. No. These are okay. Like, because these
are the people that Clark is gonna be
bouncing off of in every episode, especially before
anybody else knows who he is.
Exactly.
Yeah. Yeah. I loved that so much. And
it was it was like like I said,
it was a very, like, gen x early
millennial thing to kind of say, like, the
parents are gonna be more of a part
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of your life. You know? Whereas, like, I
don't know, previous generations, Superman was just, like,
good being like, okay, they're gone.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I feel like in a lot of comic
books, they use,
the death of a friend
to make their origin story
extra dramatic.
Like, Batman's origin story always includes that robbery
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in the alley that ends with his parents
dying or being you know, the the mugging.
Right? Yeah. And it is
one of the reasons why he is so
filled with darkness and his need to save
Gotham
versus burn it to the ground, which is
another Yeah. That could have been another legitimate
reaction to to that experience as a kid.
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I feel like a lot of comic books
use that trope
and lean on it Yeah. Heavily, like, too
heavily some of those, versus
this this well adjusted
boy scout who just wants to do good.
I really I thought that was a a
lot less boring
because back then I think can be kinda
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boring.
Sorry. Not sorry. Certainly a one note kinda
thing. Like, he's not super dimensional.
Yeah. No. No.
Some of that. I think,
was it Alan Moore, who is the the
writer of Watchmen v for Vendetta,
he once said, I'm sick and tired of
Batman stories. Like, we we've written
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everything we need to read about Batman. You
know? Like Yeah. Let's move on and try
something new.
Yeah. I mean,
god, someday, we we need to add Watchmen
to this
The TV show. To the list. Yeah. The
TV show because that Big blue.
Work of art. Big blue.
That was a work of art. I mean,
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that episode
that that season of television.
And as much as I wanted it to
keep going, there was you know, it was
perfectly
Yeah. I don't think there's gonna be a
season 2. I mean, if they would have
done it by now. Right? Yeah.
There doesn't need to be a season 2.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it is perfect. We're
we're gonna get into the fact that Lost
is above and beyond my favorite show ever.
(30:31):
Watchmen was done by Damon Lindelof, who was
the co runner of Lost. Yeah. So I
was all in, and I I did really
love that show. Yeah.
More so than I think I loved Watchmen
in general. Like, I was never the biggest
fan of Watchmen. I like I liked it,
both as a comic and a movie. It
was fine, but
I don't know. I guess I just
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I was never okay. So I'm not a
comic book person, but I I did see
the movie, which predates
the TV show. Yeah.
And the movie felt
silly
in in many
like, some of the costumes just looked silly.
Some of the conversations
were just
facile. Do you know what I mean? Like,
(31:14):
it's just
I don't know which version of the movie
you watched. There's,
there's like a theatrical cut, then there's a
much longer director's cut, then there's an even
longer than that ultimate cut. Now I will
tell you that it gets better and better
the longer it is. Is it
worth watching like a 4 hour movie to
(31:34):
get like the better version of this? Probably
not. But,
the longer it becomes, the more faithful to
the book it becomes, which I guess is
what makes it better. But yeah. But but
even still, like, you're right. Like you say,
like, you know, that those comic book
costumes and whatnot, they don't always translate very
well to the screen. And
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I don't know.
I think Watchmen was also kind of a
story that was kinda grounded in its time.
You know, we were we were worried about
certain political,
you know, geopolitical issues. And now, I mean,
you can always say
I don't wanna get super political. Maybe we'll
decide on that later. But, like, you can
always say that these things are doomed to
repeat themselves,
but it was definitely a story that was
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very much a product of its time.
But but Lois and Clark. I don't I
don't even know how we went down that
rabbit hole. I don't know.
We should we should name the show the
rabbit hole. The rabbit hole.
That probably already exists, though. Probably. Probably.
But, but, yeah, Lois and Mark, overall
thoughts on season 1. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.
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We haven't even talked about, like, Jimmy, Perry.
Oh. And, I mean, you can you can
kinda combine your thoughts on a lot of
these. Like, it was
a very unique thing to have Perry be
like an Elvis fanatic.
I wanna know who made that decision. Like,
in in
what universe
has Perry ever been a fan of Elvis?
(33:02):
It was just this. Yeah. Because his his
whole thing was great Caesar's ghost. That's what
he said all the time on
the George Reeves Adventures of Superman show Right.
Which we should mention
kind of carries the same template. That's why
this is the new Adventures of Superman.
The Adventures of Superman was like, something goes
wrong.
Maybe Superman shows up and fails. Maybe not.
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Lois and Clark, as reporters,
investigate
what's going on.
As soon as they figure out, like, you
know, the answer to this whole, like, puzzle,
Clark makes, like, a weird excuse,
bounces out, Superman comes in and saves the
day right at the end there. And the
beauty of that is that you get that
character reaction between Lois and Clark, and you
don't have to pay too much of a
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special effects budget for the sake of, like,
Superman only showing up for, like, the last
few minutes or so. This is that show
with, you know,
more romance.
Yeah.
So I wanna talk to the writer. So
in the writer's room, who decided to make
Perry
a,
an Elvis fan because that was such a
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fun
detail.
It was unexpected
and a little silly.
But,
what's the name of the Lanesmith? Lanesmith. He
Lanesmith. I'd love it if it was his
idea. Like Oh my god. Instead of saying
great shades of ghosts or great Caesar's ghost,
and this is where I was going with
it. I I know at some point really
early on, and it could have been the
pilot, it could have been one of those
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first couple episodes, He does say great shades
of Elvis,
and I wonder if that was just his
idea. I would love it if it was.
Like, you know?
Same. Same. I
he is also a national treasure, Lance Smith.
I think he's amazing,
and I thought he was fantastic and hilarious
on this show. Yeah.
And
I think I just love the fact that,
(34:48):
that he
that the character loved Elvis. It was such
a fun detail.
Chewy, on the other hand,
was such a wasted character.
Okay. I was really disappointed
that they couldn't didn't do more with Jimmy.
And I'm not sure they could have.
But Well, I mean, Jimmy's gonna have a
greater role going forward. I mean, it's interesting
(35:08):
you say that. There is gonna be a
gutting of this show come season 2.
Deborah Deborah Joy LaVine, who was the showrunner,
is going to be fired.
The entire writing team is gonna be fired.
And with them,
Kat Grant,
Jimmy and Jack are all fired as well.
And obviously,
John Shea, who plays Lex Luthor, died in
(35:30):
the season finale. So he's gone as well.
So if you think about that, that is
like half the cast.
All the writers and the showrunner
gone.
So, yeah, Jimmy is gonna be one of
those casualties. Now Jimmy is going to be
recast with, Justin Whalen.
So you'll you'll get a different Jimmy next
season. But yeah.
You're right.
(35:51):
Yeah. I
mean,
yeah, it was a wasted opportunity in a
lot of ways. Like, I think,
was it Landis, I think his name was?
I'd like to pull this up. Hold on.
Yeah. Michael Landis
was Jimmy in the 1st season, and he
had some charisma.
I think the reason they they decided to
fire him come season 2
(36:11):
was that they they felt like he was
too similar in look to Dean Cain.
They both had those, like, you know, the
dark hair and the I don't know. Like,
I I I can look at Michael Landis
and Dean Cain and say a and b
and know the difference, but I guess they
felt he was a little too similar.
Yeah. I didn't think that they looked alike
(36:31):
at all. I mean, they have the same
color there. That's it. Yeah. Exactly. And I
mean, especially when you think about the fact
that, like, every opportunity they get on this
show, they're like, hey, did you know that
Dean Cain is an athlete?
Every
like, almost every episode. Like, the cold openings
where he's, like, playing baseball with himself, and
he's fast enough to play every position,
(36:53):
or he's playing basketball,
you know, and it's probably the same thing.
I'm sure there was one where he was
doing football. It was it was basically like
the bono's
of of the era. I don't know. Yeah.
No. Totally. What about the,
at least every other episode,
the required shirtless scene? Sure. Dean Cain is
like Hey. Did you know that Dean Cain
(37:14):
is an athlete?
Did did you know that he's got some
abs? Yeah. Go on. Where's where's your mom,
kids? She needs to come watch the show
with you. Pat Grant coins the phrase god
in a cape.
God in a cape. I love it. Yeah.
Overall, we do. And we we didn't really
talk much about Dean Cain and Terry Hatcher,
(37:34):
but they were perfect. They had amazing chemistry.
Yeah. I love Dean Cain to death. Like,
if you tell me, close your eyes,
Superman, Dean Cain is what comes up in
my head. And I think that's a product
of how old I was when this came
out. I think I was, like, approximately 10.
James Bond, Batman, and Superman are always gonna
be the person to you that they were
(37:55):
when you were, like, 10, 12 years old.
But but Dean Cain was just awesome, and
I I loved him so much.
I got to meet him at Comic Con,
and he was one of those few people
that genuinely
felt
like like he was more excited to meet
me
as his fan
than I was to meet him. And believe
me, I was excited to meet him. So
(38:16):
yeah. It was very cool. Nice. Yeah.
Oh, very cool. Very cool.
So I guess, some final thoughts on season
1. Did you have any particular favorite episodes,
ones that you rolled your eyes at, anything
like that?
No. I don't remember anything standing out that
that I loved or hated. I thought,
(38:38):
I really am gonna miss Kat. I'm really
bummed that she was part of that getting
because she added
an element of
zaniness
that I think the show needed to balance
how serious
I mean, Lois takes everything too seriously, including
herself. Let's be real. Yeah. And,
(38:58):
I think Well, one of the the reasons
that we started watching this show, I one
of us I I think I called Lois
Lane a lunatic or something like that. You
were like, what?
So Yeah. Yeah. That's the reason. We're gonna
get more of I mean, there were moments
certainly where Lois was kind of a lunatic
in season 1. But if you talk about
some of that silliness,
Lois is gonna be a little bit more
(39:19):
of a lunatic come season 2. Alright.
Yeah. I like it.
I I think my favorite episode from season
1 was the the meteor, the one we
we mentioned it before where Clark gets the
and everything.
I just really loved it because I I
think, like, it it added a certain amount
of, first of all, some some humor to
it. Like, Clark is like, why do I
(39:41):
have Superman
costumes in my,
my closet? You know? Like but it
Which begged the question.
Really, Clark? That's where you keep your that's
where you keep your Right? Like, there was
I think there this season, there was an
episode where his,
apartment gets robbed by,
Jack. And I was just like, this is
(40:01):
why we don't do that.
Like, this is why we don't keep the
orb that has all the collected knowledge of
Krypton in our sock drawer or whatever it
was. You know? Like Seriously. But, also, I'm
never you're never going to sufficiently explain to
me how he can be standing in street
clothes and 2 seconds later be in his
Superman costume
(40:22):
10 blocks away. Like, where does he change?
Like, where Well, he's fast enough that he
can just, like
you know, the the the Superman outfit is
on underneath the the clothing. No. So it's
just ripping off, like, the the suit and
everything. You know? No. It it's not. Because
you gotta have that iconic, like, moving the
the tie and, you know, opening up everyone's
(40:43):
in a while, it is on underneath. Not
always. So I'm sorry. You're not gonna move
that argument yet.
Maybe we'll see one in a in a
future season. They'll they'll make it a little
bit clear. I don't know. I would love
that. I can tell you that one of
my favorite things about this entire series, and
I won't give anything away, but my favorite
episode ever, I think, is in season 2.
It's when we're first introduced to H. G.
(41:04):
Wells
as a character.
That is the episode where they give the
whole,
why can,
Superman be standing in front of Lois Lane
as Clark
and Superman and she not, like, you know,
put it together? They do a beautiful job
of doing that in season 2 of explaining
or giving an explanation for that. And I
(41:25):
just loved it. And I think that's I
can't wait. Yeah. And that's that's one of
those things that I love about this show
is that
it got it was a superhero show,
but they weren't afraid to, like, lean into
emotion. So that was one of the things
I loved about the meteor episode was that
at the end, Lois gives this whole, like,
heartfelt, like, you know, Superman,
(41:46):
you know, it's everything he can do and
everything he stands for. And that flood of
emotions, he feels it, and then he remembers
like, oh, yeah.
Yeah. So
it never,
shied away from that. Maybe going forward,
when it gets a little too romantic, it
maybe leans too much into that
and not enough into the superhero. But for
(42:06):
now, I think it's it's a perfect balance.
And it it was one of my
I mean, up until the the moment, we'll
call it September 20 something, 2004 when Lost
premiered,
This was my favorite show of all time,
so we'll we'll call it a close second
now.
Yeah. That's incredible. Yeah. Alright.
Well, on that note, I think
(42:29):
we wrap up. Yeah. Do you have any,
final, like, recommendations? Would you recommend
Lois and Clark season 1? Yeah. Alright. Then
I, obviously, I would as well.
Listeners out there, you should join us. You
should check out Lois and Clark seasons 1
and 2.
I'm not necessarily saying that the next episode
of the show will be Lois and Clark
season 2, but we will get to that,
(42:49):
at some point soon.
And when you when you find this episode,
if you disagree with anything that we've had
to say, put us on the glass. Let
us know in the comments. We wanna know.
Yeah. Write in and and let us know.
I I mean, this is one of our
early shows here. So let us know shows
that you love, that you want us to
check out, you know, and What should we
watch? If we're interested enough in it, we'll
we'll definitely check them out.
(43:11):
100%.
Alright. Until next time.
Later.
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