July 2, 2026 • 43 mins
Denying reality is the quickest way to lose yourself. When you spend years desperately hammering square pegs into round holes, the eventual crash is inevitable. Host Abby England sits down with Leslie to discuss the painful unraveling of her long marriage and the difficult journey of rebuilding her life from scratch.
We get into the raw mechanics of a relationship declining over time and the realization that shared love cannot replace aligned values. Leslie details the fight or flight survival mode she endured, the complexities of navigating divorce mediation as a partially employed mother, and the practical application of stoicism when your carefully planned future evaporates. The core shift happens when Leslie explains her boiling pot realization, highlighting how gradual boundary compromises can lead to a total loss of self.
The hardest part of this transition is facing the severe financial fear and the quiet terror of sitting alone in an empty house. Leslie opens up about the crippling anxiety of reentering the workforce at 47, the grief of losing the envisioned future for her children, and the painful process of untangling shared credit card debt. Viewers will walk away with a grounded framework for self reliance, a strict warning against sacrificing your sanity for appearances, and a practical mindset for embracing solitude without shame.
If you care about reclaiming your independence, navigating midlife transitions, and building genuine resilience, you will get a lot from this. Please subscribe and share this conversation with anyone who might feel stuck in their current chapter. What is the biggest boundary you are finally ready to enforce in your own life?
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SPEAKER_00 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Jessica G, and this is the Justin Time
podcast.
If you're struggling today, Iwant you to know this podcast is
here for you, but it's not asubstitute for professional
health.
If you're in a crisis or feelunsafe, please call or text 988
or dial in 911 for immediatesupport.
There are people out there whowill listen and can help.
On this show, I'll be sharingpersonal experiences, mindset
(00:22):
shifts, talking with Keithexperts, and sharing real tools
that help me go from barelysurviving to thriving.
This is not about quick fixes orone size fits all advice.
It's raw, it's honest, it's whatworked for me and what I believe
can help others too.
Let's walk together fromdarkness to health.
(00:44):
Hello, hello, everybody.
Welcome back to Justin Time toSave a Life podcast.
I am so excited to be back.
First of all, I wanted to saythank you to Lynn Hurst for
taking over the podcast whileI've been on maternity leave.
So this is my first podcast backsince maternity leave.
We are, see, almost nine weekspostpartum.
(01:05):
And let me tell you, it has beena journey, but we'll get to that
in another um episode, actually.
It's going to be our nextepisode.
So stay tuned for that,everyone.
Um, but today we're talkingabout the connection between
aesthetics and mental health andnot from a place of chasing
perfection, but a place ofself-love and a feeling of being
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aligned with the woman that yousee in the mirror.
So not just talking about itbeing superficial, but possibly
being a part of our healingjourney.
Um, some people hear Botox,skincare, injectables, hormones,
or wellness, and they think it'ssuperficial.
But for me, it's always beensomething so much more.
I just want to, you know, putback what's been taken away or
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feel like myself again,especially postpartum.
Um, that whole journey has beenrough on me.
And you kind of really do loseyourself a little bit within
that.
And so to me, the whole wellnessuh program, whether it's Botox
injectables, getting yourhormones checked, it is about
self-care.
It is about healing, it is aboutyour mental health.
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Um and when I feel like myself,I feel so much better.
And that has a direct impact onmy mental health.
So I do feel like there's a realmental health conversation here.
And that is why I'm so excitedto bring in Adrien Easterling.
Thank you so much for being withus today.
Uh, Adrien is a world-renownedinjector, and I wanted to have
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her on to talk about theemotional side of aesthetics,
confidence, self-image, aging,beauty standards, and where
healthy self-care ends andunhealthy comparison begins.
Uh, she is owner of Voxy, uh,which is also a longevity
center.
And so thank you so much forbeing here, Adrienne.
SPEAKER_02 (02:47):
Yes, absolutely.
I'm really excited to be here.
And, you know, we've gotten toknow each other over the years,
and it's been such an honor toget to see your growth.
And just now seeing you as a momis so special.
And yeah, as a, you know,founder of a longevity practice,
where, you know, I started outjust focusing mostly on
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aesthetics, but now we reallytreat the whole person.
So now we do full-on functionalmedicine, longevity.
And it is wild to me to see howthat investment in ourselves and
taking care of ourselves canreally impact the whole person
inside and out and help us showup better for the people we care
(03:30):
about.
Yeah.
Now, if we take care ofourselves, we end up taking care
of others better too.
SPEAKER_01 (03:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (03:35):
And as a mom, you've probably already are feeling
that.
Like you can't just giveeverything to them.
You also have, yeah, you'regonna make me cry.
We have to give to ourselvestoo.
And um, as women, we oftenforget that so many.
I see thousands of patients, andso many of the women I see are
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constantly giving and caring forothers, and they forget about
themselves along the way.
And then one day they wake up,you're gonna make me cry, they
they look in the mirror and theyjust are, you know, like, wow,
you know, who is this person inmy reflection?
Um, and what's so neat aboutwhat we get to do is helping
people look in the mirror andsee themselves again.
(04:19):
Yeah.
And it's something that it'ssuch an honor to get to do that.
SPEAKER_00 (04:23):
So rewarding.
And yeah, you know, I think I Iget like a front row seat to
your work also, because we havesome of the same clients as
well.
And I, you know, I see clientsevery day too, and I'm like, oh,
you should go do this, youshould go do that, go see Adrian
for this.
And so I get to see those reallife transformations that you're
talking about.
(04:44):
Um, you know, six, seven, eightweeks later, they come back for
their hair color and they'vegotten their Botox or they've
gotten their PRP or they've gottheir hormones checked and they
got their pellets, and I see ahuge difference.
And they're like, oh my gosh,I'm starting to feel so much
better.
And, you know, when you'resitting with somebody for three,
four, five hours during a hairpoint, you really get to know
them.
And so I know for a fact thatum, you know, it it when you
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invest in yourself like this,when you allow yourself to how
would I say when you allowyourself to not feel guilty
because society makes us feelguilty.
Yes, that was the one thing Iwas gonna say too, because I was
like, I wanted to tie thattogether with generational um
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situations too, because I thinklike my my grandma's generation
or even my mom's generation,there is such a judgment and
shame.
Um, and it's like, how do wehelp women understand that
wanting to look refreshed,feminine, youthful, or confident
doesn't mean that they don'tlove themselves.
And in fact, I think there's amyth there.
(05:53):
I think that um that it isself-love to do those things for
yourself.
SPEAKER_02 (05:58):
Yeah, absolutely.
So it's true.
I mean, so society makes usthink that, you know, if if
we're, you know, getting ourhair done, our nails done, or,
you know, maybe we're beingvain, or you know, we shouldn't
be able to do it.
SPEAKER_00 (06:12):
Superficial.
SPEAKER_02 (06:13):
Superficial.
We don't love ourselves becausewe want to change ourselves.
SPEAKER_00 (06:17):
It's not true.
SPEAKER_02 (06:17):
But it's you're right, it's not true.
And we do so many things thatsociety is like, okay, you know,
good for you, uh, like exercise,eating well, um, sleeping well,
all these things that we do tohelp ourselves feel better.
SPEAKER_01 (06:33):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (06:33):
And sometimes feeling better is also showing
up with our best face forwardand taking care of our skin, our
bodies, our mind, and all of itas a whole person.
SPEAKER_01 (06:44):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (06:45):
And, you know, I guess even coming from myself, I
grew up where I wasn't born withmaybe perfect skin.
I had horrible cystic acne.
SPEAKER_01 (06:55):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (06:55):
Uh, I have PCOS, so I struggle with insulin
resistance.
And it's it's harder for me tolose weight than the average
person because of that.
Um, and there's just a lot ofstruggles people and so many of
my patients are dealing withthat if they could just help
those those little things and tothem, they're big things.
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To us, sometimes I I look at it,I'm like, gosh, it's such a
little thing that we can fix andit changes their lives for the
better.
It's really so neat to see ittoo.
SPEAKER_01 (07:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (07:25):
And so I agree.
Self-love is maybe also justloving yourself and you know,
yeah, having the chance toreally care for yourself.
SPEAKER_00 (07:35):
Exactly.
Yeah.
Investing in those things thatthat really uh I think where the
line really gets blurred is thatwhen people start chasing
trends, right?
Like when people bring you and Ithink we're starting to come off
of that, right?
I think so bad.
I think people like those bigblown up lips, right?
That was such like what was itfive years ago?
That was such a huge trend,right?
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And now people are starting tolook more natural and understand
like that is what's morebeautiful.
And one thing I love about youis that you never just did
exactly what people asked,right?
Like you have, like, I feel likethe way that you treat is like
you said, you treat the wholeentire face and you're not
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chasing trends.
And I think that's why a lot ofwomen trust you as well, myself
included, is because you know,like I know you're not gonna let
me do something crazy.
unknown (08:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (08:27):
And it's true, because I'm not really trying to
change the way my patients look.
I'm really helping them look inthe mirror again and see the
reflection and be able to say,wow, that's me again.
Yeah, not wow, who's thisperson?
SPEAKER_01 (08:41):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (08:41):
And it's so a lot of my patients are coming to me,
you know, postpartum, uh, youknow, after a divorce, after,
you know, some of the most crazyhardships you can possibly
imagine.
Yeah.
And it's so important to me toreally understand the why.
Like, why are they in my chairtoday?
What brought them here todayversus five years ago?
(09:02):
Yeah.
Uh, because a lot of times it'snot just I want Botox because my
friend's doing it.
It's a it's a feeling they'rewanting.
Yeah.
It's the feeling of feeling likethemselves again or feeling part
of their their healing journey.
Not looking tired, not lookinglike they have five kids or
whatever it may be.
Yeah.
Uh so yeah, it's it is, it'spart of their healing journey,
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and it's a part of just helpingthem feel like themselves again.
And that's so important.
And yes, uh, what you said aboutme not, you know, trace chasing
trends is true because you know,trends will come and go.
It's like once upon a time, itwas the thin brows, and we have
so many trends that come, butlooking healthy and looking
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happy, that's never a trend.
SPEAKER_01 (09:49):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (09:50):
And it that's what I provide for my patients.
My goal is always for them tofeel like themselves, to look
healthy and to feel happy.
Yeah.
Because it's actually agingthat's making us change.
Yeah.
You know, we wake up one day andwe don't realize that our bone
is changing, our fat pads arechanging, our under eyes are
changing.
The the shift in perception ofour face is just changing with
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age, not right, you know, and soaging is a luxury and a
beautiful thing.
And we can also help peoplestill kind of maintain
themselves and look likethemselves, even through that
aging process.
Yeah.
And that's what I love to do ishelp people do that.
SPEAKER_00 (10:34):
Yeah.
Um, but what role does educationplay in helping women feel safe
and empowered when choosingtreatments?
SPEAKER_02 (10:43):
So I I would say education is the foundation of
what really built our practicebecause when uh when patients
are in, you know, are educated,they're empowered and they're
part of that that decisionprocess.
So they're not just being toldyou need this or you need to fix
this.
And I never want my patients tofeel like there's something that
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needs to be fixed.
Right.
Because there's not anythingthat needs to be fixed.
A lot of times it's justfocusing on the why, what's
happening, what's thephysiological aging process.
You know, maybe it's not evenBotox or aesthetic treatments
they need.
Maybe it's really somethingdeeper.
And that's what's so neat about,you know, really treating the
whole person and having thatfunctional medicine component.
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Because I've had people walk inthe door and they come in and
they're thinking about thisbudget they have to help
themselves feel better.
It's usually a feeling.
Once I get to the end of theconsultation, yeah, I really
understand why they're sittingin my chair.
And a lot of times it's not thatthey want their brows lifted or
that they want their, you know,um lips bigger.
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Yeah.
It's that they want to feel likethemselves.
And sometimes that's not evenaesthetic.
Sometimes it's, you know, myhormones are off.
I don't have the energy I usedto.
So I just don't feel good.
I don't I look tired.
And well, maybe that's not all,you know, the the outside.
Sometimes it's also the inside.
And so it's really neat now tobe able to really approach the
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whole person.
Yeah, both and help them feelconfident both from the inside
and out.
Yeah.
That's been really special toget to do that now.
SPEAKER_00 (12:19):
Yeah, I I I definitely can see that, you
know, um, knowing you throughoutthe years and just watching you
grow and you know, move intoyour um new um space, it's just
absolutely beautiful.
Um, and I do, I love that I getto see firsthand like what you
do for people.
Uh, it's absolutely beautiful.
(12:39):
And I think Northwest Arkansasis lucky to have you.
Um, where do you think the lineis between self-love and chasing
perfection?
And when you have somebodythat's in your chair and you
know that like maybe they'vegone several places and they're
getting filler, filler, filler.
Like, how do you have thoseconversations or how do you how
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how do you connect with them totry to get them to understand
your work and what you do andlike how you see things?
Cause a lot of it I think isperspective, right?
Because I see some of the mostbeautiful girls and I'm like,
they think they need more andmore.
And I'm like, whoa, no, you needlike less, less, less.
And I know I'll I'll like go gosee Adrian.
And I know like first thingyou're gonna tell her is to
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dissolve the sausage lips, yeah,you know, but like how do you
approach that like with withlike a a client to help them
like long term?
SPEAKER_02 (13:33):
Yeah, I think it's just important that I understand
the why behind them wanting todo these treatments, because if
it's to feel self-worth, thenthis isn't the right thing for
them because Botox, fillers,aesthetic treatments isn't gonna
make you uh love yourself.
It's the people who already lovethemselves who are really
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benefiting from these treatmentsbecause they know their
self-worth.
SPEAKER_00 (13:59):
Right.
And they're doing it becausethey love themselves.
Yes.
And I think that's theconversation here.
There's like just such a bigdifference.
SPEAKER_02 (14:05):
Yeah, and so you can really tell when you get to know
someone, when you have thoseconversations, if they're
looking in the mirror andthey're nitpicking every little
detail about their face, thingsthat I look at faces all day.
Yeah.
If I see something that's notquite right, I would, you know,
I could mention it, right?
Um, but there's there's somewomen who they see things that
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not everyone else is seeing andthey don't fully understand that
or grasp that.
Yeah, those are sometimes peoplewho are maybe just trying to
chase perfection.
SPEAKER_01 (14:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (14:37):
And if that's what they're after, they're trying to
chase perfection or the thissense of worth.
When really most of my patients,like 99% of them, are really
here to if we're feeling, tofeel confident, to feel better.
SPEAKER_00 (14:56):
And like put back what time has taken away.
SPEAKER_02 (15:00):
Because really, at the end of the day, these are
luxury treatments.
Not everyone has access to them.
SPEAKER_01 (15:05):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (15:05):
We're fortunate and you know, blessed to be able to
do these services for ourselvesand to be able to, you know,
gosh, look so young and soyouthful, even as we're getting
older.
It's wild what has come out inthe world, even in the last 10
years since I've started.
SPEAKER_00 (15:26):
If you look at people our age, which I'm not
saying you, I'm not 28.
Um, and then like whatever two,three generations ago, massive
difference, right?
Massive.
They've already cut their hairsuper short, they've gone gray,
and it's yeah, it's just a huge,a huge shift.
SPEAKER_02 (15:46):
Yeah.
And so it's it's such a luxuryto be able to, you know,
continue to love yourself andinvest in yourself and take care
of yourself and not, you know,chase trends and perfection
because that's not that's notwhat we're trying to do.
SPEAKER_00 (16:02):
Yeah.
Um how do social media filtersand beauty trends do you think
like how how do you think thosethings affect the way women view
themselves?
Like even like um currentclients.
Um, because I I know it gets tome sometimes, right?
I see something and I send it toyou, and you're probably like,
oh my gosh, yes.
SPEAKER_02 (16:23):
It it really is a big problem.
Right?
There's pros and cons to socialmedia, and I have my you know,
same qualms with it too.
But basically, you know, there'sthe good, there's education,
there's people that are moreaware of things, but there's
also false education, butthere's a lot of good education
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as well.
And yeah, that's something Ilove to be able to do so people
understand the why behindthings.
SPEAKER_00 (16:49):
Yes.
But then there's also like whatyou said, the filters, the and
then, and now with AI, you'relike, what's actually realistic
and what's not?
Like, I was like I telling myhusband's like, look at this.
And he's like, babe, that's AI.
And I was like, no way.
And he's like, yeah, and I'mlike, oh, I was like, okay.
And like it really messes withyour head.
SPEAKER_02 (17:09):
There's people putting out, you know, edited
before and afters, and you know,copying other people's before
and afters and posting them astheir own, and you know,
lighting that's different.
And so you can't fully trusteverything you see on social
media.
SPEAKER_00 (17:23):
Yeah, there's so much unrealistic like
expectation too.
And like with younger girls too,in their teens, I know that some
teenagers are already gettinglit filler and all these, you
know, things.
And I I think with women, itreally starts at a very young
age.
SPEAKER_02 (17:37):
Yeah.
And that's, you know, honestlysomething that I struggle with
because I am that person who I Isee what aesthetic treatments do
for people.
I see how it changes lives forthe better, but I've also seen
how it can really affect peopleand how they can be obsessive or
go a little bit too far.
And so it's so important to havea provider you trust who can
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really guide you and tell you noand say, hey, you know, you're
beautiful.
And some of my patients thatcome in, sometimes that's
exactly all I need to do forthem that day.
It's just a reminder.
You're gorgeous, you'rebeautiful, you need absolutely
nothing.
You just need someone to tellyou that.
And that's all they needed therein that moment.
And it's not always like theyneed something.
(18:24):
Yeah.
Uh, but I do.
I get patients that come in withphotos of of things that maybe
they're wanting.
But once I educate them andexplain what they're even
sharing with me, then sometimesthey get it.
You know, sometimes I see theselike ridiculous jawlines that
they're considering.
And when you think about whatthat jawline would look like
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facing forward and not just fromthis angle, yeah, you can you
would immediately be like, ohwow, you're right.
I don't want that.
Or, you know, maybe I call itNQR, not quite right, where our,
you know, our brains are verysmart.
We know what's the normal, yeah,uh kind of skeletal structure of
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a face.
And if there's a little bit ofthat that's off, our brains
automatically perceive thatperson as something's not right,
even if we don't quite knowwhat's not right.
SPEAKER_01 (19:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (19:19):
And that's when we get this like perception shift
where people are doing thesetreatments and that perception's
changing where we're like, whatare you know, how old are they?
Are they look old becausesomething's not right with their
face?
SPEAKER_01 (19:36):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (19:36):
And that's my job to help, you know, steer people in
the right direction so thatnever happens.
SPEAKER_00 (19:43):
Yeah.
But you don't want to be out inpublic and like somebody thinks,
gosh, that girl's had a lot ofwork done.
SPEAKER_02 (19:48):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (19:48):
Yeah.
Because that actually makes youlook older, you know.
And I think like I've had to,you know, have these
conversations with myself andyou've had to tell me no several
times.
And I'm so happy for that.
Honestly.
I'm really happy for that.
And now finally at my age, I'mlike gonna cry right now.
You know, just the other daywhen I was in there, I was like
finally seeing it.
I was like, okay, I was like, Idon't know if it's because I've
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had a I have a girl, I have achild, or it's just something
that comes with age or whateverit is, but you you broke it down
like treating the whole entireface, right?
And we talked about like anybodycan just freeze you, right?
But if they freeze you here,you're gonna pull here, and that
looks unnatural.
And that's when like somethingdoesn't quite look right.
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So for me, like I didn'tunderstand that.
You know what I mean?
I just thought, oh, I thisshould be frozen and this should
be frozen, and this should befrozen.
But after like you taking thetime to explain to me, like,
okay, here's a mirror, frownnow.
Okay, yeah, you're frozen here,but you're really pulling here.
And like I was like, oh, okay,that makes sense.
So it really is perception andit really is how how you see
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yourself.
And I think, I think one of thebiggest takeaways for today, I
think, would be is to, you know,try to fall in love with
yourself in the mirror, youknow, look at yourself in the
mirror and find things that youlove about yourself.
Um, a while back, one of mytherapists told me, actually,
hold on, it wasn't even atherapist, it was an acting
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coach in Los Angeles.
So one of the reasons why Inever really fully pursued
acting is because I wasn'tconfident in my skin.
I wasn't comfortable enough.
I didn't have enough self-loveand enough self-worth based on
how I looked.
And being in LA, Hollywood, youneed to have a, you know, they
tell you, like I remember onecasting director told me, um,
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I'm not, what did he say?
He was like, you're not, you'renot funny enough to be that fat,
and told me to lose 10 pounds.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
And there's like several castingdirectors that are like, oh
yeah, this and this and that,but you know, you have a little
too much meat right here.
Like they would tell you thesethings, right?
And so, like, I was like, Icannot handle this mentally.
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And so So that's when I made adecision to like, I'll be behind
the scenes, I'll make everyonelook beautiful.
But I was already, you know, inhair school, but it was just
something on the side that Iliked.
Yeah.
Um, and one of my actingcoaches, because you know, you
can't be more authentic on stageor in front of the camera than
you are in real life.
People are not, they're just notgonna want to watch you.
And I was chasing, I wanted tobecome more authentic.
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I wanted to be become myauthentic self.
And it was method act acting, mysnare method.
And one of the coaches, um, heI'm trying to think of his name
right now, but he it was at theRuskin School of of John Ruskin
School of Acting in SantaMonica.
And one of the coaches, um, Ithink his name's Michael.
Yeah, it was Michael something.
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And um, he told me one of myhomework exercises was go home,
look in the mirror, and tellyourself that you love yourself.
Find five things about yourselfthat you love.
And it was so hard to like facethat mirror.
But then after, after I had umDonna Bella, I was struggling
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with like those self-imageissues because like you're you
don't recognize your body, yourface is a little bit more full.
Um, and I practiced it and I waslike, okay, those, those, those
hips are kind of cute, you know,like you begin to like kind of
open up and like accept yourselfin a way.
So if anyone is out therestruggling, maybe you can
practice that exercise of doingmirror, they called it mirror
(23:22):
work.
Um, it's like looking atyourself, accepting yourself,
finding things about yourselfthat you do like and focusing on
those rather than focusing onthings that you don't like.
And maybe once you startbecoming more in love with how
you look or in like, maybe youcan just like yourself for a
little bit and take baby steps.
Um, then you can start doingmore things and it's coming from
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like a good place, you know?
SPEAKER_02 (23:45):
And that's something we often do even in our
consultation with our patients,is we love to ask, you know,
before we ever ask, you know,their concerns or the things
that maybe they would want toimprove, we often ask, what are
the things you love about yourface?
SPEAKER_01 (24:00):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (24:00):
Um, and that helps me really fully understand them
also even better in terms oftheir goals and their wants and
their, you know, their needs, uhand how they see themselves.
And how they see themselves.
SPEAKER_00 (24:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (24:12):
And so, because I if there's something that they
absolutely love, like that's sohelpful for me to understand
that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (24:19):
Before we treat, you know, do any treatments.
SPEAKER_00 (24:22):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (24:22):
Um, but yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:25):
Are there any other like advice that we can give our
audience that maybe they'restruggling with self-worth or
their their image?
Because I mean, I don't know, Ican think of so limiting social
media.
SPEAKER_02 (24:39):
Um I think it's just important not to follow the
wrong people.
Yeah.
Uh just be careful.
There's, you know, aesthetictreatments are wonderful, but
there is also I call it snakeoil.
There is a lot of snake oil outthere in this industry where
smoking mirrors.
Yes, they promise the world, andyou know, maybe that's not even
(25:04):
possible, really.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (25:05):
But just to get them to come to you.
SPEAKER_02 (25:07):
Yeah.
And, you know, price shopping,and it really is important to
find someone with goodintentions, a good heart,
someone who really has your bestinterest interest in mind.
And there's a lot of thosepeople out there.
I travel and I teach and I trainall over the country and in
Canada.
So I've gotten to know hundreds,if not thousands, of injectors.
(25:30):
And there's so many good ones.
And there are, you know, some ofthe other ones too.
And so it is important to reallydo your research, maybe have
recommendations from friends orloved ones and you know, look at
reviews.
SPEAKER_00 (25:46):
Oh, your hairstylist.
SPEAKER_02 (25:47):
Yes.
Uh yeah.
So it's good to just do do yourresearch and and know where
you're going.
Uh, because these are medicaltreatments and they really
should be treated, you know,treated that way.
Um, and then have someone that'seducating you.
So if you're going somewhere andthey're not explaining why, then
I would also kind of that's ared flag.
(26:09):
It's important to be educated,know, know why they're doing
something.
And um, you know, that also helpwill help you be part of the
conversation and part of thedecision process.
And so you feel empowered tomake the decision uh when you
really understand why.
And that's important too.
(26:31):
And kind of, you know, what Ilove to do is educate and you
know, if say it's someone comingin and they're complaining of
their under eyes looking tired,there's so many things that
contribute to that.
SPEAKER_00 (26:44):
And not two hours of sleep only, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (26:48):
But uh not not it's not a cookie-cutter approach for
every person, everyone's anatomyis so unique, so individualized,
so different.
Everyone's skin, skin type, fatpads, tissue quality, fat pad
density, everything is sodifferent from person to person.
So just because your friend wentand had that procedure doesn't
(27:08):
mean it's the right for you foryou.
And that's another thing to justkeep in mind too, is that not
everything is for everyone.
Yeah.
And finding someone who canreally educate you and help you
understand what's best for youand your body will help you with
best outcomes.
SPEAKER_01 (27:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (27:25):
But and then, you know, in terms of just the
mental health component ofself-worth and self-love, I
would say, you know, don't feelguilty for taking time for
yourself.
Yeah.
Whether it's a walk, whetherit's Botox, whether it's coffee
(27:45):
with a friend, coffee with afriend, um, getting your hair
done.
Yeah.
You know, anything that's gonnamake you feel more like you, go
for it and don't let anyone giveyou shit about it.
SPEAKER_00 (27:56):
Yeah, exactly.
100%.
I love that.
And and the other thing too islike, so there's like the whole
aesthetic side, and then there'slike the wellness and the
hormonal side of things.
Um how I know hormones are superimportant, but like I don't know
if women truly understand, ormaybe I think we're the industry
(28:18):
is shifting a little bit andit's becoming more in the light,
right?
Like I'm learning more abouthormones after postpartum that
they completely tank.
Yeah.
And you feel completely drainedand all of that.
So um, as far as hormones go,what kind of insight can you
give our listeners about likehormones and mental health that
those just go together?
SPEAKER_02 (28:37):
Um, with hormones, there's so much more to the
picture than a lot of peoplerealize.
Yes.
And what's interesting is soeven for us in medical school,
we are not taught how to treatwomen's hormones.
We are taught how to taught howto treat disease.
So if they have a geneticdisorder or if their hormones
(28:58):
are off um because of a, youknow, a disease component, we
treat that.
But when we're trying to treat,you know, menopause or helping
people feel better, that is notsomething that is trained in
medical school.
SPEAKER_01 (29:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (29:13):
And even your OB gen providers, your your doctors,
uh, they don't, they aren'ttrained in this either.
So it's something that they'relearning outside of school and
not something that everyoneknows how to do.
And it's often not something,especially for women, covered by
insurance.
And so when we're looking atoptimizing hormones, this is
something that we do um, youknow, beyond insurance.
(29:37):
So it is again another luxuryservice, something that women
don't, not everyone has accessto it.
And so it's a wonderful thingthat we have the ability to do
this for patients now, but noteveryone does have the access.
What I love about our approachis it's very unique and that we
are treating from a functionalmedicine approach.
So what's been really uheye-opening is, you know, my
(30:02):
husband, for instance, he wasgoing to a provider, uh, a low T
center back when we lived inTexas, and they just give you
hormones.
Your testosterone says, Oh,here's some testosterone.
Well, they didn't ever ask thequestion of why.
SPEAKER_00 (30:15):
They're just treating like the symptom, not
the cause.
SPEAKER_02 (30:17):
Here's your testosterone.
Yes.
Here you go.
Well, he his testosterone wentup.
He he still felt like crap.
He still did not feel goodbecause his estrogen wasn't
aromatizing correctly.
Well, what was causing that?
His gut health.
He was going through some guthealth issues.
Well, your gut is responsiblefor so much of how your hormones
(30:38):
are metabolized in your body.
So if you have other thingsgoing on, you could give
yourself all the hormones forboth men and women.
But if your body's not usingthem properly or binding them
properly to your bindingglobulins and things like that,
they're just running throughyou.
They're either running throughyou or metabolizing incorrectly
(30:58):
can make you feel worse.
Uh, and so what's so neat from afunctional medicine component is
that we can really look at abigger picture.
We can do labs, we can uh we canlook at inflammatory markers,
biomarkers, we can see how yourbody's metabolizing hormones, we
can look at the genetics of it,we can really understand it
better.
(31:18):
And now his hormones, histestosterone are back up looking
great.
He feels great, and he's noteven on testosterone.
SPEAKER_00 (31:25):
Yeah, that's what you were saying the other day.
And I was like, oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_02 (31:28):
Yeah, yeah.
So it's so neat now seeing somany of my patients who have
been seeing some of them.
SPEAKER_00 (31:33):
And the treatment was just like diet or certain
microbiome stuff.
SPEAKER_02 (31:49):
From uh some food sensitivities, as well as some
uh gut microbiome being offfrom, you know, potentially
history of antibiotics and otherthings.
And it just, you know, wild howmuch he's on some peptides now.
He's like a new man.
And it's yeah, it's so wonderfulfor me to live it and see it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (32:07):
And peptides are like the new crave too.
Everyone is talking aboutpeptides right now.
Yeah.
That's the other scary thingtoo, is like I know people in LA
that are selling, I know likepeople that are not providers
that are selling peptides.
It scares me as well.
What?
Yeah, what can you tell ourlisteners about this?
Because the last thing we wantsomeone to do that's like going
through postpartum and they likebecause this is when I think
(32:30):
people can get taken advantageof, right?
Like, say you're vulnerable,you're going through postpartum,
you reach out, you want to gethelp, you think it's a good
provider, but it may not be aprovider.
So, like, because there are lotsof people that aren't providers
selling um peptides.
So, what would you say to ourlisteners that are, you know,
looking into these things?
How do we yeah keep them safe?
SPEAKER_02 (32:50):
So I would say it really is better to see a
functional medicine provider whounderstands root cause medicine
to prescribe your peptidesversus ordering them online.
And just bat, you know, tryingthem and seeing what you think.
Because what if it's notsomething you need?
You're just giving your bodysomething that it doesn't even
(33:11):
need.
What if your sleep deprivationis something else?
What if your micronutrients areoff?
What if your thyroid is off?
SPEAKER_01 (33:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (33:20):
What if it's your gut?
Or maybe you have um uh, youknow, some autoimmune conditions
that are going on that you don'tknow about.
And so it really, I think, isbetter to make sure you have
someone who understands you as aperson, understands your whole
health, and is guiding you onyour therapy.
SPEAKER_00 (33:37):
Not just throwing peptides, not just throwing
drugs at you.
SPEAKER_02 (33:40):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (33:40):
That they're treating the cause and just not
the symptom.
Yeah.
Because that's what's going tocreate longevity and that's what
we're here for.
We don't want just a quick fix,you know, we want to feel good
long term.
SPEAKER_02 (33:51):
Yeah, and some of them aren't safe if they're not
being monitored.
SPEAKER_00 (33:54):
Yeah, there's like a new one out, right?
There's starts with an R orsomething.
SPEAKER_02 (33:58):
Reditrutide.
SPEAKER_00 (33:59):
Yeah, I heard about that one just recently.
SPEAKER_02 (34:01):
So that one is almost through the finishing
stages of FDA approval.
Yeah.
And it is a peptide for weightloss.
SPEAKER_00 (34:08):
But it can affect the heart though, right?
SPEAKER_02 (34:10):
Uh so it works on three receptors instead of just
the two with terzepatide.
And it can cause a uh a fasterheart rate.
So it again, it's one of thosethings that you really need a
provider who can check on you,check on you, yeah, make sure
it's the right therapy for youspecifically, versus just
assuming that, oh, this is thenewest one out, that's what I
want.
SPEAKER_00 (34:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (34:30):
Uh, because it's not the right one for everyone.
SPEAKER_00 (34:33):
And I think the goal is to get you to where you need
want to be in a shorter amountof time, not a longer amount of
time.
Because if you do it on yourown, you're you're not really
knowing, you know, where yourparameters are, what needs to
change.
SPEAKER_02 (34:48):
I know so many things about them and so many
wonderful things about them, butthen so many things that a lot
of people do wrong with them.
Right.
And it's just like everything,everything in in moderation can
be wonderful, but if peoplestart taking advantage of them,
they could, you know, they canhurt themselves.
Yes.
Maybe go the opposite directionthan they were planning for.
Yeah.
(35:08):
So that's what I like.
SPEAKER_00 (35:09):
Black market drugs.
I know people like buy justrandom stuff off the internet.
You know, that was like a wholething.
SPEAKER_02 (35:15):
And then it's gonna make access harder too, because
if people start taking advantageand using it, you know, friv
frivolously, basically, yousoon, you know, the legally it's
gonna be shut down, no one'sgonna be able to prescribe it,
and then everyone's not gonnaget access to these things.
SPEAKER_00 (35:30):
Or you're you're ordering something online and
it's not even what you think itis.
So it's just being careful,finding a provider that you
trust.
Um, I think the heart of thisconversation is that self-love
doesn't always look like abubble bath or journaling.
Sometimes it looks like gettingyour hormones checked.
Sometimes it looks like Botox,might be a little filler, a
(35:51):
little sculpture, a little PRP.
Um, or it could just be a goodold-fashioned, you look
beautiful, you don't needanything session, you know, with
the provider.
Um, but whatever it is, youknow, when you when you look
good, you do feel better, likeoverall.
But when you're not chasingperfection and you're doing it
from, you know, a healthy place,I think that's when it really
(36:15):
matters the most.
Um, and I'm so thankful for youto be here today, Adrian.
Do you have anything else thatyou would like to say?
Or um how can how can um peopleget a hold of you?
Where can they, where can wefind you?
SPEAKER_02 (36:27):
So you can find me on Instagram at Live Better with
Adrian.
And you can also find ourwebsite, livevoxy.com.
That's L-I-V-E-V-O-X-Y.com.
And yeah, we would I'd love tohear from you if you have
questions.
You're welcome to DM me and I'dlove to connect.
SPEAKER_00 (36:46):
And do you have like a list of providers that have
trained with you?
Like if say people that don'tlive in Arkansas, like can those
people find you?
SPEAKER_02 (36:52):
Um also I don't specifically have it listed on
our website, but I couldabsolutely let you know because
I I have you know trainedinjectors all over the country.
SPEAKER_00 (37:03):
So yeah, so if you need a trustworthy connection,
just reach out to Adrienne atVoxy.
Um well, thank you so much forbeing here.
Um again, you guys, I think weare going to be finishing up
this season of the podcast.
I probably only have about twoor three more.
Um, if you do have a share uh astory to share, um we're also
gonna be doing a rebrand.
(37:23):
Instead of having um focusing somuch heavily on suicide
prevention, we're gonna kind ofswitch to mental health
awareness.
We'll still always haveconversations and topics about
that.
But as I'm stepping into alighter, you know, uh season of
my life, um, that's what's bestfor my mental health.
Um, just in time will always bedear to my heart and how it
(37:46):
originated.
But I think that we're movinginto more of a space that helps
the conversation flow uh easierbecause suicide, the word still
has a stigma.
And so we're gonna be changingthat to mental health awareness.
Um also if you'd like to supportour show, please uh go to
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So thank you guys so much forbeing here, and thank you again,
Adrienne, for being here aswell.
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(00:22):
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Hello, hello, everybody.
Welcome back to Justin Time toSave a Life podcast.
I am so excited to be back.
First of all, I wanted to saythank you to Lynn Hurst for
taking over the podcast whileI've been on maternity leave.
So this is my first podcast backsince maternity leave.
We are, see, almost nine weekspostpartum.
(01:05):
And let me tell you, it has beena journey, but we'll get to that
in another um episode, actually.
It's going to be our nextepisode.
So stay tuned for that,everyone.
Um, but today we're talkingabout the connection between
aesthetics and mental health andnot from a place of chasing
perfection, but a place ofself-love and a feeling of being
(01:26):
aligned with the woman that yousee in the mirror.
So not just talking about itbeing superficial, but possibly
being a part of our healingjourney.
Um, some people hear Botox,skincare, injectables, hormones,
or wellness, and they think it'ssuperficial.
But for me, it's always beensomething so much more.
I just want to, you know, putback what's been taken away or
(01:47):
feel like myself again,especially postpartum.
Um, that whole journey has beenrough on me.
And you kind of really do loseyourself a little bit within
that.
And so to me, the whole wellnessuh program, whether it's Botox
injectables, getting yourhormones checked, it is about
self-care.
It is about healing, it is aboutyour mental health.
(02:10):
Um and when I feel like myself,I feel so much better.
And that has a direct impact onmy mental health.
So I do feel like there's a realmental health conversation here.
And that is why I'm so excitedto bring in Adrien Easterling.
Thank you so much for being withus today.
Uh, Adrien is a world-renownedinjector, and I wanted to have
(02:30):
her on to talk about theemotional side of aesthetics,
confidence, self-image, aging,beauty standards, and where
healthy self-care ends andunhealthy comparison begins.
Uh, she is owner of Voxy, uh,which is also a longevity
center.
And so thank you so much forbeing here, Adrienne.
SPEAKER_02 (02:47):
Yes, absolutely.
I'm really excited to be here.
And, you know, we've gotten toknow each other over the years,
and it's been such an honor toget to see your growth.
And just now seeing you as a momis so special.
And yeah, as a, you know,founder of a longevity practice,
where, you know, I started outjust focusing mostly on
(03:09):
aesthetics, but now we reallytreat the whole person.
So now we do full-on functionalmedicine, longevity.
And it is wild to me to see howthat investment in ourselves and
taking care of ourselves canreally impact the whole person
inside and out and help us showup better for the people we care
(03:30):
about.
Yeah.
Now, if we take care ofourselves, we end up taking care
of others better too.
SPEAKER_01 (03:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (03:35):
And as a mom, you've probably already are feeling
that.
Like you can't just giveeverything to them.
You also have, yeah, you'regonna make me cry.
We have to give to ourselvestoo.
And um, as women, we oftenforget that so many.
I see thousands of patients, andso many of the women I see are
(03:56):
constantly giving and caring forothers, and they forget about
themselves along the way.
And then one day they wake up,you're gonna make me cry, they
they look in the mirror and theyjust are, you know, like, wow,
you know, who is this person inmy reflection?
Um, and what's so neat aboutwhat we get to do is helping
people look in the mirror andsee themselves again.
(04:19):
Yeah.
And it's something that it'ssuch an honor to get to do that.
SPEAKER_00 (04:23):
So rewarding.
And yeah, you know, I think I Iget like a front row seat to
your work also, because we havesome of the same clients as
well.
And I, you know, I see clientsevery day too, and I'm like, oh,
you should go do this, youshould go do that, go see Adrian
for this.
And so I get to see those reallife transformations that you're
talking about.
(04:44):
Um, you know, six, seven, eightweeks later, they come back for
their hair color and they'vegotten their Botox or they've
gotten their PRP or they've gottheir hormones checked and they
got their pellets, and I see ahuge difference.
And they're like, oh my gosh,I'm starting to feel so much
better.
And, you know, when you'resitting with somebody for three,
four, five hours during a hairpoint, you really get to know
them.
And so I know for a fact thatum, you know, it it when you
(05:10):
invest in yourself like this,when you allow yourself to how
would I say when you allowyourself to not feel guilty
because society makes us feelguilty.
Yes, that was the one thing Iwas gonna say too, because I was
like, I wanted to tie thattogether with generational um
(05:32):
situations too, because I thinklike my my grandma's generation
or even my mom's generation,there is such a judgment and
shame.
Um, and it's like, how do wehelp women understand that
wanting to look refreshed,feminine, youthful, or confident
doesn't mean that they don'tlove themselves.
And in fact, I think there's amyth there.
(05:53):
I think that um that it isself-love to do those things for
yourself.
SPEAKER_02 (05:58):
Yeah, absolutely.
So it's true.
I mean, so society makes usthink that, you know, if if
we're, you know, getting ourhair done, our nails done, or,
you know, maybe we're beingvain, or you know, we shouldn't
be able to do it.
SPEAKER_00 (06:12):
Superficial.
SPEAKER_02 (06:13):
Superficial.
We don't love ourselves becausewe want to change ourselves.
SPEAKER_00 (06:17):
It's not true.
SPEAKER_02 (06:17):
But it's you're right, it's not true.
And we do so many things thatsociety is like, okay, you know,
good for you, uh, like exercise,eating well, um, sleeping well,
all these things that we do tohelp ourselves feel better.
SPEAKER_01 (06:33):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (06:33):
And sometimes feeling better is also showing
up with our best face forwardand taking care of our skin, our
bodies, our mind, and all of itas a whole person.
SPEAKER_01 (06:44):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (06:45):
And, you know, I guess even coming from myself, I
grew up where I wasn't born withmaybe perfect skin.
I had horrible cystic acne.
SPEAKER_01 (06:55):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (06:55):
Uh, I have PCOS, so I struggle with insulin
resistance.
And it's it's harder for me tolose weight than the average
person because of that.
Um, and there's just a lot ofstruggles people and so many of
my patients are dealing withthat if they could just help
those those little things and tothem, they're big things.
(07:16):
To us, sometimes I I look at it,I'm like, gosh, it's such a
little thing that we can fix andit changes their lives for the
better.
It's really so neat to see ittoo.
SPEAKER_01 (07:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (07:25):
And so I agree.
Self-love is maybe also justloving yourself and you know,
yeah, having the chance toreally care for yourself.
SPEAKER_00 (07:35):
Exactly.
Yeah.
Investing in those things thatthat really uh I think where the
line really gets blurred is thatwhen people start chasing
trends, right?
Like when people bring you and Ithink we're starting to come off
of that, right?
I think so bad.
I think people like those bigblown up lips, right?
That was such like what was itfive years ago?
That was such a huge trend,right?
(07:57):
And now people are starting tolook more natural and understand
like that is what's morebeautiful.
And one thing I love about youis that you never just did
exactly what people asked,right?
Like you have, like, I feel likethe way that you treat is like
you said, you treat the wholeentire face and you're not
(08:17):
chasing trends.
And I think that's why a lot ofwomen trust you as well, myself
included, is because you know,like I know you're not gonna let
me do something crazy.
unknown (08:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (08:27):
And it's true, because I'm not really trying to
change the way my patients look.
I'm really helping them look inthe mirror again and see the
reflection and be able to say,wow, that's me again.
Yeah, not wow, who's thisperson?
SPEAKER_01 (08:41):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (08:41):
And it's so a lot of my patients are coming to me,
you know, postpartum, uh, youknow, after a divorce, after,
you know, some of the most crazyhardships you can possibly
imagine.
Yeah.
And it's so important to me toreally understand the why.
Like, why are they in my chairtoday?
What brought them here todayversus five years ago?
(09:02):
Yeah.
Uh, because a lot of times it'snot just I want Botox because my
friend's doing it.
It's a it's a feeling they'rewanting.
Yeah.
It's the feeling of feeling likethemselves again or feeling part
of their their healing journey.
Not looking tired, not lookinglike they have five kids or
whatever it may be.
Yeah.
Uh so yeah, it's it is, it'spart of their healing journey,
(09:24):
and it's a part of just helpingthem feel like themselves again.
And that's so important.
And yes, uh, what you said aboutme not, you know, trace chasing
trends is true because you know,trends will come and go.
It's like once upon a time, itwas the thin brows, and we have
so many trends that come, butlooking healthy and looking
(09:47):
happy, that's never a trend.
SPEAKER_01 (09:49):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (09:50):
And it that's what I provide for my patients.
My goal is always for them tofeel like themselves, to look
healthy and to feel happy.
Yeah.
Because it's actually agingthat's making us change.
Yeah.
You know, we wake up one day andwe don't realize that our bone
is changing, our fat pads arechanging, our under eyes are
changing.
The the shift in perception ofour face is just changing with
(10:14):
age, not right, you know, and soaging is a luxury and a
beautiful thing.
And we can also help peoplestill kind of maintain
themselves and look likethemselves, even through that
aging process.
Yeah.
And that's what I love to do ishelp people do that.
SPEAKER_00 (10:34):
Yeah.
Um, but what role does educationplay in helping women feel safe
and empowered when choosingtreatments?
SPEAKER_02 (10:43):
So I I would say education is the foundation of
what really built our practicebecause when uh when patients
are in, you know, are educated,they're empowered and they're
part of that that decisionprocess.
So they're not just being toldyou need this or you need to fix
this.
And I never want my patients tofeel like there's something that
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needs to be fixed.
Right.
Because there's not anythingthat needs to be fixed.
A lot of times it's justfocusing on the why, what's
happening, what's thephysiological aging process.
You know, maybe it's not evenBotox or aesthetic treatments
they need.
Maybe it's really somethingdeeper.
And that's what's so neat about,you know, really treating the
whole person and having thatfunctional medicine component.
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Because I've had people walk inthe door and they come in and
they're thinking about thisbudget they have to help
themselves feel better.
It's usually a feeling.
Once I get to the end of theconsultation, yeah, I really
understand why they're sittingin my chair.
And a lot of times it's not thatthey want their brows lifted or
that they want their, you know,um lips bigger.
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Yeah.
It's that they want to feel likethemselves.
And sometimes that's not evenaesthetic.
Sometimes it's, you know, myhormones are off.
I don't have the energy I usedto.
So I just don't feel good.
I don't I look tired.
And well, maybe that's not all,you know, the the outside.
Sometimes it's also the inside.
And so it's really neat now tobe able to really approach the
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whole person.
Yeah, both and help them feelconfident both from the inside
and out.
Yeah.
That's been really special toget to do that now.
SPEAKER_00 (12:19):
Yeah, I I I definitely can see that, you
know, um, knowing you throughoutthe years and just watching you
grow and you know, move intoyour um new um space, it's just
absolutely beautiful.
Um, and I do, I love that I getto see firsthand like what you
do for people.
Uh, it's absolutely beautiful.
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And I think Northwest Arkansasis lucky to have you.
Um, where do you think the lineis between self-love and chasing
perfection?
And when you have somebodythat's in your chair and you
know that like maybe they'vegone several places and they're
getting filler, filler, filler.
Like, how do you have thoseconversations or how do you how
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how do you connect with them totry to get them to understand
your work and what you do andlike how you see things?
Cause a lot of it I think isperspective, right?
Because I see some of the mostbeautiful girls and I'm like,
they think they need more andmore.
And I'm like, whoa, no, you needlike less, less, less.
And I know I'll I'll like go gosee Adrian.
And I know like first thingyou're gonna tell her is to
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dissolve the sausage lips, yeah,you know, but like how do you
approach that like with withlike a a client to help them
like long term?
SPEAKER_02 (13:33):
Yeah, I think it's just important that I understand
the why behind them wanting todo these treatments, because if
it's to feel self-worth, thenthis isn't the right thing for
them because Botox, fillers,aesthetic treatments isn't gonna
make you uh love yourself.
It's the people who already lovethemselves who are really
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benefiting from these treatmentsbecause they know their
self-worth.
SPEAKER_00 (13:59):
Right.
And they're doing it becausethey love themselves.
Yes.
And I think that's theconversation here.
There's like just such a bigdifference.
SPEAKER_02 (14:05):
Yeah, and so you can really tell when you get to know
someone, when you have thoseconversations, if they're
looking in the mirror andthey're nitpicking every little
detail about their face, thingsthat I look at faces all day.
Yeah.
If I see something that's notquite right, I would, you know,
I could mention it, right?
Um, but there's there's somewomen who they see things that
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not everyone else is seeing andthey don't fully understand that
or grasp that.
Yeah, those are sometimes peoplewho are maybe just trying to
chase perfection.
SPEAKER_01 (14:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (14:37):
And if that's what they're after, they're trying to
chase perfection or the thissense of worth.
When really most of my patients,like 99% of them, are really
here to if we're feeling, tofeel confident, to feel better.
SPEAKER_00 (14:56):
And like put back what time has taken away.
SPEAKER_02 (15:00):
Because really, at the end of the day, these are
luxury treatments.
Not everyone has access to them.
SPEAKER_01 (15:05):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (15:05):
We're fortunate and you know, blessed to be able to
do these services for ourselvesand to be able to, you know,
gosh, look so young and soyouthful, even as we're getting
older.
It's wild what has come out inthe world, even in the last 10
years since I've started.
SPEAKER_00 (15:26):
If you look at people our age, which I'm not
saying you, I'm not 28.
Um, and then like whatever two,three generations ago, massive
difference, right?
Massive.
They've already cut their hairsuper short, they've gone gray,
and it's yeah, it's just a huge,a huge shift.
SPEAKER_02 (15:46):
Yeah.
And so it's it's such a luxuryto be able to, you know,
continue to love yourself andinvest in yourself and take care
of yourself and not, you know,chase trends and perfection
because that's not that's notwhat we're trying to do.
SPEAKER_00 (16:02):
Yeah.
Um how do social media filtersand beauty trends do you think
like how how do you think thosethings affect the way women view
themselves?
Like even like um currentclients.
Um, because I I know it gets tome sometimes, right?
I see something and I send it toyou, and you're probably like,
oh my gosh, yes.
SPEAKER_02 (16:23):
It it really is a big problem.
Right?
There's pros and cons to socialmedia, and I have my you know,
same qualms with it too.
But basically, you know, there'sthe good, there's education,
there's people that are moreaware of things, but there's
also false education, butthere's a lot of good education
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as well.
And yeah, that's something Ilove to be able to do so people
understand the why behindthings.
SPEAKER_00 (16:49):
Yes.
But then there's also like whatyou said, the filters, the and
then, and now with AI, you'relike, what's actually realistic
and what's not?
Like, I was like I telling myhusband's like, look at this.
And he's like, babe, that's AI.
And I was like, no way.
And he's like, yeah, and I'mlike, oh, I was like, okay.
And like it really messes withyour head.
SPEAKER_02 (17:09):
There's people putting out, you know, edited
before and afters, and you know,copying other people's before
and afters and posting them astheir own, and you know,
lighting that's different.
And so you can't fully trusteverything you see on social
media.
SPEAKER_00 (17:23):
Yeah, there's so much unrealistic like
expectation too.
And like with younger girls too,in their teens, I know that some
teenagers are already gettinglit filler and all these, you
know, things.
And I I think with women, itreally starts at a very young
age.
SPEAKER_02 (17:37):
Yeah.
And that's, you know, honestlysomething that I struggle with
because I am that person who I Isee what aesthetic treatments do
for people.
I see how it changes lives forthe better, but I've also seen
how it can really affect peopleand how they can be obsessive or
go a little bit too far.
And so it's so important to havea provider you trust who can
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really guide you and tell you noand say, hey, you know, you're
beautiful.
And some of my patients thatcome in, sometimes that's
exactly all I need to do forthem that day.
It's just a reminder.
You're gorgeous, you'rebeautiful, you need absolutely
nothing.
You just need someone to tellyou that.
And that's all they needed therein that moment.
And it's not always like theyneed something.
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Yeah.
Uh, but I do.
I get patients that come in withphotos of of things that maybe
they're wanting.
But once I educate them andexplain what they're even
sharing with me, then sometimesthey get it.
You know, sometimes I see theselike ridiculous jawlines that
they're considering.
And when you think about whatthat jawline would look like
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facing forward and not just fromthis angle, yeah, you can you
would immediately be like, ohwow, you're right.
I don't want that.
Or, you know, maybe I call itNQR, not quite right, where our,
you know, our brains are verysmart.
We know what's the normal, yeah,uh kind of skeletal structure of
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a face.
And if there's a little bit ofthat that's off, our brains
automatically perceive thatperson as something's not right,
even if we don't quite knowwhat's not right.
SPEAKER_01 (19:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (19:19):
And that's when we get this like perception shift
where people are doing thesetreatments and that perception's
changing where we're like, whatare you know, how old are they?
Are they look old becausesomething's not right with their
face?
SPEAKER_01 (19:36):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (19:36):
And that's my job to help, you know, steer people in
the right direction so thatnever happens.
SPEAKER_00 (19:43):
Yeah.
But you don't want to be out inpublic and like somebody thinks,
gosh, that girl's had a lot ofwork done.
SPEAKER_02 (19:48):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (19:48):
Yeah.
Because that actually makes youlook older, you know.
And I think like I've had to,you know, have these
conversations with myself andyou've had to tell me no several
times.
And I'm so happy for that.
Honestly.
I'm really happy for that.
And now finally at my age, I'mlike gonna cry right now.
You know, just the other daywhen I was in there, I was like
finally seeing it.
I was like, okay, I was like, Idon't know if it's because I've
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had a I have a girl, I have achild, or it's just something
that comes with age or whateverit is, but you you broke it down
like treating the whole entireface, right?
And we talked about like anybodycan just freeze you, right?
But if they freeze you here,you're gonna pull here, and that
looks unnatural.
And that's when like somethingdoesn't quite look right.
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So for me, like I didn'tunderstand that.
You know what I mean?
I just thought, oh, I thisshould be frozen and this should
be frozen, and this should befrozen.
But after like you taking thetime to explain to me, like,
okay, here's a mirror, frownnow.
Okay, yeah, you're frozen here,but you're really pulling here.
And like I was like, oh, okay,that makes sense.
So it really is perception andit really is how how you see
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yourself.
And I think, I think one of thebiggest takeaways for today, I
think, would be is to, you know,try to fall in love with
yourself in the mirror, youknow, look at yourself in the
mirror and find things that youlove about yourself.
Um, a while back, one of mytherapists told me, actually,
hold on, it wasn't even atherapist, it was an acting
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coach in Los Angeles.
So one of the reasons why Inever really fully pursued
acting is because I wasn'tconfident in my skin.
I wasn't comfortable enough.
I didn't have enough self-loveand enough self-worth based on
how I looked.
And being in LA, Hollywood, youneed to have a, you know, they
tell you, like I remember onecasting director told me, um,
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I'm not, what did he say?
He was like, you're not, you'renot funny enough to be that fat,
and told me to lose 10 pounds.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
And there's like several castingdirectors that are like, oh
yeah, this and this and that,but you know, you have a little
too much meat right here.
Like they would tell you thesethings, right?
And so, like, I was like, Icannot handle this mentally.
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And so So that's when I made adecision to like, I'll be behind
the scenes, I'll make everyonelook beautiful.
But I was already, you know, inhair school, but it was just
something on the side that Iliked.
Yeah.
Um, and one of my actingcoaches, because you know, you
can't be more authentic on stageor in front of the camera than
you are in real life.
People are not, they're just notgonna want to watch you.
And I was chasing, I wanted tobecome more authentic.
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I wanted to be become myauthentic self.
And it was method act acting, mysnare method.
And one of the coaches, um, heI'm trying to think of his name
right now, but he it was at theRuskin School of of John Ruskin
School of Acting in SantaMonica.
And one of the coaches, um, Ithink his name's Michael.
Yeah, it was Michael something.
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And um, he told me one of myhomework exercises was go home,
look in the mirror, and tellyourself that you love yourself.
Find five things about yourselfthat you love.
And it was so hard to like facethat mirror.
But then after, after I had umDonna Bella, I was struggling
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with like those self-imageissues because like you're you
don't recognize your body, yourface is a little bit more full.
Um, and I practiced it and I waslike, okay, those, those, those
hips are kind of cute, you know,like you begin to like kind of
open up and like accept yourselfin a way.
So if anyone is out therestruggling, maybe you can
practice that exercise of doingmirror, they called it mirror
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work.
Um, it's like looking atyourself, accepting yourself,
finding things about yourselfthat you do like and focusing on
those rather than focusing onthings that you don't like.
And maybe once you startbecoming more in love with how
you look or in like, maybe youcan just like yourself for a
little bit and take baby steps.
Um, then you can start doingmore things and it's coming from
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like a good place, you know?
SPEAKER_02 (23:45):
And that's something we often do even in our
consultation with our patients,is we love to ask, you know,
before we ever ask, you know,their concerns or the things
that maybe they would want toimprove, we often ask, what are
the things you love about yourface?
SPEAKER_01 (24:00):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (24:00):
Um, and that helps me really fully understand them
also even better in terms oftheir goals and their wants and
their, you know, their needs, uhand how they see themselves.
And how they see themselves.
SPEAKER_00 (24:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (24:12):
And so, because I if there's something that they
absolutely love, like that's sohelpful for me to understand
that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (24:19):
Before we treat, you know, do any treatments.
SPEAKER_00 (24:22):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (24:22):
Um, but yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:25):
Are there any other like advice that we can give our
audience that maybe they'restruggling with self-worth or
their their image?
Because I mean, I don't know, Ican think of so limiting social
media.
SPEAKER_02 (24:39):
Um I think it's just important not to follow the
wrong people.
Yeah.
Uh just be careful.
There's, you know, aesthetictreatments are wonderful, but
there is also I call it snakeoil.
There is a lot of snake oil outthere in this industry where
smoking mirrors.
Yes, they promise the world, andyou know, maybe that's not even
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possible, really.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (25:05):
But just to get them to come to you.
SPEAKER_02 (25:07):
Yeah.
And, you know, price shopping,and it really is important to
find someone with goodintentions, a good heart,
someone who really has your bestinterest interest in mind.
And there's a lot of thosepeople out there.
I travel and I teach and I trainall over the country and in
Canada.
So I've gotten to know hundreds,if not thousands, of injectors.
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And there's so many good ones.
And there are, you know, some ofthe other ones too.
And so it is important to reallydo your research, maybe have
recommendations from friends orloved ones and you know, look at
reviews.
SPEAKER_00 (25:46):
Oh, your hairstylist.
SPEAKER_02 (25:47):
Yes.
Uh yeah.
So it's good to just do do yourresearch and and know where
you're going.
Uh, because these are medicaltreatments and they really
should be treated, you know,treated that way.
Um, and then have someone that'seducating you.
So if you're going somewhere andthey're not explaining why, then
I would also kind of that's ared flag.
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It's important to be educated,know, know why they're doing
something.
And um, you know, that also helpwill help you be part of the
conversation and part of thedecision process.
And so you feel empowered tomake the decision uh when you
really understand why.
And that's important too.
(26:31):
And kind of, you know, what Ilove to do is educate and you
know, if say it's someone comingin and they're complaining of
their under eyes looking tired,there's so many things that
contribute to that.
SPEAKER_00 (26:44):
And not two hours of sleep only, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (26:48):
But uh not not it's not a cookie-cutter approach for
every person, everyone's anatomyis so unique, so individualized,
so different.
Everyone's skin, skin type, fatpads, tissue quality, fat pad
density, everything is sodifferent from person to person.
So just because your friend wentand had that procedure doesn't
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mean it's the right for you foryou.
And that's another thing to justkeep in mind too, is that not
everything is for everyone.
Yeah.
And finding someone who canreally educate you and help you
understand what's best for youand your body will help you with
best outcomes.
SPEAKER_01 (27:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (27:25):
But and then, you know, in terms of just the
mental health component ofself-worth and self-love, I
would say, you know, don't feelguilty for taking time for
yourself.
Yeah.
Whether it's a walk, whetherit's Botox, whether it's coffee
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with a friend, coffee with afriend, um, getting your hair
done.
Yeah.
You know, anything that's gonnamake you feel more like you, go
for it and don't let anyone giveyou shit about it.
SPEAKER_00 (27:56):
Yeah, exactly.
100%.
I love that.
And and the other thing too islike, so there's like the whole
aesthetic side, and then there'slike the wellness and the
hormonal side of things.
Um how I know hormones are superimportant, but like I don't know
if women truly understand, ormaybe I think we're the industry
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is shifting a little bit andit's becoming more in the light,
right?
Like I'm learning more abouthormones after postpartum that
they completely tank.
Yeah.
And you feel completely drainedand all of that.
So um, as far as hormones go,what kind of insight can you
give our listeners about likehormones and mental health that
those just go together?
SPEAKER_02 (28:37):
Um, with hormones, there's so much more to the
picture than a lot of peoplerealize.
Yes.
And what's interesting is soeven for us in medical school,
we are not taught how to treatwomen's hormones.
We are taught how to taught howto treat disease.
So if they have a geneticdisorder or if their hormones
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are off um because of a, youknow, a disease component, we
treat that.
But when we're trying to treat,you know, menopause or helping
people feel better, that is notsomething that is trained in
medical school.
SPEAKER_01 (29:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (29:13):
And even your OB gen providers, your your doctors,
uh, they don't, they aren'ttrained in this either.
So it's something that they'relearning outside of school and
not something that everyoneknows how to do.
And it's often not something,especially for women, covered by
insurance.
And so when we're looking atoptimizing hormones, this is
something that we do um, youknow, beyond insurance.
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So it is again another luxuryservice, something that women
don't, not everyone has accessto it.
And so it's a wonderful thingthat we have the ability to do
this for patients now, but noteveryone does have the access.
What I love about our approachis it's very unique and that we
are treating from a functionalmedicine approach.
So what's been really uheye-opening is, you know, my
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husband, for instance, he wasgoing to a provider, uh, a low T
center back when we lived inTexas, and they just give you
hormones.
Your testosterone says, Oh,here's some testosterone.
Well, they didn't ever ask thequestion of why.
SPEAKER_00 (30:15):
They're just treating like the symptom, not
the cause.
SPEAKER_02 (30:17):
Here's your testosterone.
Yes.
Here you go.
Well, he his testosterone wentup.
He he still felt like crap.
He still did not feel goodbecause his estrogen wasn't
aromatizing correctly.
Well, what was causing that?
His gut health.
He was going through some guthealth issues.
Well, your gut is responsiblefor so much of how your hormones
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are metabolized in your body.
So if you have other thingsgoing on, you could give
yourself all the hormones forboth men and women.
But if your body's not usingthem properly or binding them
properly to your bindingglobulins and things like that,
they're just running throughyou.
They're either running throughyou or metabolizing incorrectly
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can make you feel worse.
Uh, and so what's so neat from afunctional medicine component is
that we can really look at abigger picture.
We can do labs, we can uh we canlook at inflammatory markers,
biomarkers, we can see how yourbody's metabolizing hormones, we
can look at the genetics of it,we can really understand it
better.
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And now his hormones, histestosterone are back up looking
great.
He feels great, and he's noteven on testosterone.
SPEAKER_00 (31:25):
Yeah, that's what you were saying the other day.
And I was like, oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_02 (31:28):
Yeah, yeah.
So it's so neat now seeing somany of my patients who have
been seeing some of them.
SPEAKER_00 (31:33):
And the treatment was just like diet or certain
microbiome stuff.
SPEAKER_02 (31:49):
From uh some food sensitivities, as well as some
uh gut microbiome being offfrom, you know, potentially
history of antibiotics and otherthings.
And it just, you know, wild howmuch he's on some peptides now.
He's like a new man.
And it's yeah, it's so wonderfulfor me to live it and see it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (32:07):
And peptides are like the new crave too.
Everyone is talking aboutpeptides right now.
Yeah.
That's the other scary thingtoo, is like I know people in LA
that are selling, I know likepeople that are not providers
that are selling peptides.
It scares me as well.
What?
Yeah, what can you tell ourlisteners about this?
Because the last thing we wantsomeone to do that's like going
through postpartum and they likebecause this is when I think
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people can get taken advantageof, right?
Like, say you're vulnerable,you're going through postpartum,
you reach out, you want to gethelp, you think it's a good
provider, but it may not be aprovider.
So, like, because there are lotsof people that aren't providers
selling um peptides.
So, what would you say to ourlisteners that are, you know,
looking into these things?
How do we yeah keep them safe?
SPEAKER_02 (32:50):
So I would say it really is better to see a
functional medicine provider whounderstands root cause medicine
to prescribe your peptidesversus ordering them online.
And just bat, you know, tryingthem and seeing what you think.
Because what if it's notsomething you need?
You're just giving your bodysomething that it doesn't even
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need.
What if your sleep deprivationis something else?
What if your micronutrients areoff?
What if your thyroid is off?
SPEAKER_01 (33:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (33:20):
What if it's your gut?
Or maybe you have um uh, youknow, some autoimmune conditions
that are going on that you don'tknow about.
And so it really, I think, isbetter to make sure you have
someone who understands you as aperson, understands your whole
health, and is guiding you onyour therapy.
SPEAKER_00 (33:37):
Not just throwing peptides, not just throwing
drugs at you.
SPEAKER_02 (33:40):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (33:40):
That they're treating the cause and just not
the symptom.
Yeah.
Because that's what's going tocreate longevity and that's what
we're here for.
We don't want just a quick fix,you know, we want to feel good
long term.
SPEAKER_02 (33:51):
Yeah, and some of them aren't safe if they're not
being monitored.
SPEAKER_00 (33:54):
Yeah, there's like a new one out, right?
There's starts with an R orsomething.
SPEAKER_02 (33:58):
Reditrutide.
SPEAKER_00 (33:59):
Yeah, I heard about that one just recently.
SPEAKER_02 (34:01):
So that one is almost through the finishing
stages of FDA approval.
Yeah.
And it is a peptide for weightloss.
SPEAKER_00 (34:08):
But it can affect the heart though, right?
SPEAKER_02 (34:10):
Uh so it works on three receptors instead of just
the two with terzepatide.
And it can cause a uh a fasterheart rate.
So it again, it's one of thosethings that you really need a
provider who can check on you,check on you, yeah, make sure
it's the right therapy for youspecifically, versus just
assuming that, oh, this is thenewest one out, that's what I
want.
SPEAKER_00 (34:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (34:30):
Uh, because it's not the right one for everyone.
SPEAKER_00 (34:33):
And I think the goal is to get you to where you need
want to be in a shorter amountof time, not a longer amount of
time.
Because if you do it on yourown, you're you're not really
knowing, you know, where yourparameters are, what needs to
change.
SPEAKER_02 (34:48):
I know so many things about them and so many
wonderful things about them, butthen so many things that a lot
of people do wrong with them.
Right.
And it's just like everything,everything in in moderation can
be wonderful, but if peoplestart taking advantage of them,
they could, you know, they canhurt themselves.
Yes.
Maybe go the opposite directionthan they were planning for.
Yeah.
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So that's what I like.
SPEAKER_00 (35:09):
Black market drugs.
I know people like buy justrandom stuff off the internet.
You know, that was like a wholething.
SPEAKER_02 (35:15):
And then it's gonna make access harder too, because
if people start taking advantageand using it, you know, friv
frivolously, basically, yousoon, you know, the legally it's
gonna be shut down, no one'sgonna be able to prescribe it,
and then everyone's not gonnaget access to these things.
SPEAKER_00 (35:30):
Or you're you're ordering something online and
it's not even what you think itis.
So it's just being careful,finding a provider that you
trust.
Um, I think the heart of thisconversation is that self-love
doesn't always look like abubble bath or journaling.
Sometimes it looks like gettingyour hormones checked.
Sometimes it looks like Botox,might be a little filler, a
(35:51):
little sculpture, a little PRP.
Um, or it could just be a goodold-fashioned, you look
beautiful, you don't needanything session, you know, with
the provider.
Um, but whatever it is, youknow, when you when you look
good, you do feel better, likeoverall.
But when you're not chasingperfection and you're doing it
from, you know, a healthy place,I think that's when it really
(36:15):
matters the most.
Um, and I'm so thankful for youto be here today, Adrian.
Do you have anything else thatyou would like to say?
Or um how can how can um peopleget a hold of you?
Where can they, where can wefind you?
SPEAKER_02 (36:27):
So you can find me on Instagram at Live Better with
Adrian.
And you can also find ourwebsite, livevoxy.com.
That's L-I-V-E-V-O-X-Y.com.
And yeah, we would I'd love tohear from you if you have
questions.
You're welcome to DM me and I'dlove to connect.
SPEAKER_00 (36:46):
And do you have like a list of providers that have
trained with you?
Like if say people that don'tlive in Arkansas, like can those
people find you?
SPEAKER_02 (36:52):
Um also I don't specifically have it listed on
our website, but I couldabsolutely let you know because
I I have you know trainedinjectors all over the country.
SPEAKER_00 (37:03):
So yeah, so if you need a trustworthy connection,
just reach out to Adrienne atVoxy.
Um well, thank you so much forbeing here.
Um again, you guys, I think weare going to be finishing up
this season of the podcast.
I probably only have about twoor three more.
Um, if you do have a share uh astory to share, um we're also
gonna be doing a rebrand.
(37:23):
Instead of having um focusing somuch heavily on suicide
prevention, we're gonna kind ofswitch to mental health
awareness.
We'll still always haveconversations and topics about
that.
But as I'm stepping into alighter, you know, uh season of
my life, um, that's what's bestfor my mental health.
Um, just in time will always bedear to my heart and how it
(37:46):
originated.
But I think that we're movinginto more of a space that helps
the conversation flow uh easierbecause suicide, the word still
has a stigma.
And so we're gonna be changingthat to mental health awareness.
Um also if you'd like to supportour show, please uh go to
justintime to savealife uh andyou can click the podcast and
(38:09):
there's a donate button too ifyou'd like to um subscribe and
donate.
So thank you guys so much forbeing here, and thank you again,
Adrienne, for being here aswell.
Jessica.
Hi.
If you're struggling, rememberhow you think is how you feel.
If your feelings feel heavy,start by shifting the thought.
You're not stuck, your brain canchange, so can your story.
I'm Jessica G.
(38:30):
This is the Justin Time podcast,and I'll see you next time.
Until then, keep going.
Never give up.
And remember, the world isbetter with you in it, whether
you believe it or not.
To help reach others, pleaseshare this with your friends,
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